December 3, 2025 • 44 mins
A viral hoodie prank forces a real debate on compassion, addiction, and public safety while AI memes reshape campaign tactics in real time. We also break down Minnesota’s fraud scandal and a bold plan to seed kids’ accounts with long-term, compounding benefits.
• Yellow sweatshirt stunt as political gamesmanship
• Candidate reactions and debate exchange on “Sweatshirt Gate”
• Tough-love approach to addiction and homelessness
• Personal recovery story illustrating forced treatment debates
• AI deepfakes and meme warfare entering local races
• Early voting timelines and runoff reminders
• Immigration rhetoric vs border vetting and oversight
• Minnesota social services fraud scale and accountability
• White House response and political risk for Tim Walz
• Trump accounts concept and access at 18
• Michael and Susan Dell’s $6.25b gift and compounding
• Financial literacy for kids through seeded accounts
• Wildlife note on Wisdom the albatross and longevity
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SPEAKER_04 (00:05):
Okay, perfect, Ella.
Perfect.
Nice job.
A late evening for Ella doingsome work for us on the board.
We uh had a technical umdisagreement on how to handle
the music.
SPEAKER_02 (00:17):
She she likes to zip the music really fast.
SPEAKER_04 (00:20):
Yeah, she brings it way down.
SPEAKER_02 (00:21):
Because she just wants us to hurry.
I think that's all it's no no.
I'm just saying it's a littleawkward if you're both sitting
here with the music playing.
Yeah.
What if dad dances?
SPEAKER_04 (00:29):
You but you just you went down to the perfect level
right out of the shoot.
Like it was just a little, itwas it was a little below where
we started.
It allowed our voices to go overthe top, really well done.
SPEAKER_02 (00:38):
Here's what I wish we could find.
I wish we could find some sortof holiday music that's not
copyright that we could playbecause I have set up some of
the decorations in the in here.
Now they're not all done.
SPEAKER_04 (00:48):
By the way, your your little pine is listing a
little bit to the left.
SPEAKER_02 (00:52):
What's wrong with it?
SPEAKER_04 (00:53):
It's going a little left.
It's bent a little left.
Oh at the top.
Look at the top of it.
There we go.
Look at you adjusting.
Look at you.
Yeah.
Look at you.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01):
You can't have any trees leaning to the left, if
you know what I'm saying.
Anyway, uh no, I uh yeah, okay.
See, I've tried to set up someof the Christmas stuff.
No, you've done well.
No, you've done well.
SPEAKER_04 (01:12):
I got a little bit behind me, a little bit of a
situation, and the wreath behindme, which fell down in the last
episode, is back.
SPEAKER_02 (01:18):
We'll see if it lasts.
Right.
But I do love Christmas.
I want the studio to have alittle joy in it.
Yes.
Especially since we kind ofbring you um some some of the
rough news of the day.
And we should have blended out abit.
SPEAKER_04 (01:28):
Today we got a nice mix.
We did.
Actually, I think today's apretty good mix.
SPEAKER_02 (01:31):
You know why?
Because I helped produce today'sshow.
I gave you all the lightsfodder.
SPEAKER_04 (01:35):
Helped produce is really strong.
But um you did you did offer,you did offer um more than zero,
which is nice.
SPEAKER_02 (01:42):
Oh my gosh, you stop it right now.
I offered a lot more than evenmade it in the show.
Okay, we'll see.
SPEAKER_04 (01:47):
So well, let's get to we'll get to that in a
second, but let I'll go quickrundown here.
Okay.
Uh big, big uh yellow sweatshirtcontroversy in Albuquerque.
If you're not from here, you'reyou're gonna find this one
rather abusive.
SPEAKER_02 (01:57):
I don't even think you have to be here to think
this one's funny.
SPEAKER_04 (02:00):
No, very, very, very true.
And then we're gonna talk aboutAI in campaigns.
Get ready, right?
It's starting to infiltratecampaigns.
I know, and it looks like mom isa ventriloquist because it's got
there we go.
Oh, there we go.
Thanks, Ella.
Good morning.
SPEAKER_02 (02:13):
Ella's busy right now.
SPEAKER_04 (02:14):
Don't worry about it.
Uh, and then so we're gonna talkabout AI in campaigns.
Then we're gonna get into someof what's going on with the
immigration debate and the wholestory we brought you about the
autism controversy in Minnesotain the Somali community there,
where there are all thesecharges flying.
Now Tim Waltz has been swallowedup in this.
We're gonna talk a little bitabout that, and we're also gonna
(02:34):
talk about the Trump accounts,which are really interesting
because it's what today?
SPEAKER_02 (02:38):
Today is Giving Tuesday.
SPEAKER_04 (02:40):
Today's Giving Tuesday.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (02:41):
And so You won't hear this until after Giving
Tuesday on Wednesday.
SPEAKER_04 (02:44):
Good point.
It's a good point.
It's late, late at night rightnow.
Um, but I will tell you thatit's interesting.
So we're gonna talk about theTrump accounts, and then Michael
Dell and his wife, Susan, cameup with a brilliant plan.
I think is really smart.
There are some Republicans thatare ripping it, and I think
that's really dumb.
So we'll talk about that.
We've got Elk taking overColorado Town and Christy's
(03:05):
story of the day, arecord-breaking 75-year-old
mother.
What is that all about?
We'll see.
SPEAKER_02 (03:11):
Giving birth, by the way, at 75.
Yes, we'll talk about that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um thank you for allowing me tohave some content in the show.
I appreciate that, Mark.
SPEAKER_04 (03:18):
We put you in at the end.
We put your stuff in at the end.
SPEAKER_02 (03:21):
I had lead stories today, too.
And you're like, nah, I don'tknow.
I feel like that's I don't know.
We want to talk about that ornot.
I'm not too sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, fine, fine, fine.
SPEAKER_04 (03:29):
Get to it.
SPEAKER_02 (03:30):
Okay, so okay, a lot of you wrote us comments and
sent us pictures and video ofthis famous yellow sweatshirt
that's making its way in thefashion world of Albuquerque.
SPEAKER_04 (03:42):
If Paul Guessing was the guy who kind of, I think,
originally broke this story.
He's our friend over at uherrors of enchantment.com, Rio
Grande Foundation.
Uh, Paul's always a great guy,interesting guy.
And he just a pretty simpletweet here, but then it really
took off.
SPEAKER_02 (03:57):
Yeah, it says on the eve of early voting, hundreds of
Albuquerque homeless supportingyellow I love Tim Keller
sweatshirts.
He has a picture of a homelessguy in the yellow sweatshirt
right next to a fire.
Uh which is it keeping warm, Iguess, on the streets.
Uh, also Albuquerque Raw, theyalso posted video and stuff like
that.
And it kind of just went viral.
(04:17):
It took off.
Then it became the theconversation became who who gave
all these, it's it's hundreds ofsweatshirts, by the way.
So my understanding is it'squite a few of the homeless
people have these sweatshirtson.
It became a bit of a battle, Ithink, of who supplied all the
sweatshirts.
SPEAKER_04 (04:35):
You see them cruising around.
Look at this guy with his owncart, and then you got one
that's been discarded.
It looks like a little dirtythere.
Yeah.
As a matter of fact, these pearwearing it.
Yeah, pears wearing it.
I gotta say, whoever did this,it was, I mean, I mean, first of
all, you're gonna watch thereaction from both campaigns.
SPEAKER_02 (04:50):
Oh, it's fiery.
SPEAKER_04 (04:51):
This is a piece of political gamesmanship that is
next level.
SPEAKER_02 (04:56):
I mean, I I have to say that no way, no how.
I mean, what this is what's sogreat is what all the comments
coming in, people are blamingKeller.
People are saying that Keller'sthis was his campaign, and then
other people are yelling at theother campaign uh that are
writing into us.
And I'm sitting here going, Areare you are Hold it?
SPEAKER_04 (05:14):
Else, can you pause it right there?
SPEAKER_02 (05:16):
That video neither one of these campaigns had
anything to do with this.
SPEAKER_04 (05:20):
Well, so what the great part is though, and I've
got to give Amy Borrella, thehead of the Republican Party in
New Mexico, credit.
She goes out there, and I knowshe knows better than this, but
it's so great, because she goesout there and accuses Keller of
the of just using the homelessas propaganda for for like a
yard sign.
It's like they're basicallywearing yard signs around.
SPEAKER_02 (05:39):
That's what people wrote to us too.
SPEAKER_04 (05:40):
And I think the the the and she knows this, but it's
it makes her statement evenfunnier because it's like she's
like, look at Keller.
I mean, just just taking thehomeless and cladding them in
Keller gear and they run around.
What a horrible thing for him todo.
And you know she's smiling thewhole time she's saying this
because this is not what TimKeller wants.
It's absolutely an unmitigateddisaster because everybody's
(06:01):
talking about it.
And the the absolute lunacy ofseeing hundreds of people around
wearing these things, it'scrazy.
Well, and to have the ability todo this and to get this many
people to wear it, it's absolutethe kind of gamesmanship this
is, it deserves a complete tipof the cap, sir.
Whoever handled it.
We may or may not know who thatis.
SPEAKER_02 (06:20):
Yeah, I have a feeling we kind of know who it
is, but I will say uhwholeheartedly, I can say with
full confidence, this hadnothing to do with Darren
White's campaign.
And the reason I know this sowell is because uh we know the
people that are working onDarren White's campaign, and
they won't spend a dime on anymarketing materials whatsoever,
let alone expensive sweatshirts.
SPEAKER_04 (06:39):
So we have it on good authority that Darren
White's campaign consultantwouldn't spend money on a yard
sign if his life depended on it.
So if you think he went aroundand had 200 sweatshirts printed.
SPEAKER_02 (06:57):
Oh, it's more than that.
SPEAKER_04 (06:58):
Whatever, 500 sweatshirts printed, which has
to be a solid 10 grand.
Yeah.
Okay.
There's no way that's happening.
Right.
I mean, this guy, you know, it'sJay.
He would never I mean.
SPEAKER_02 (07:12):
I mean, he says, he says, and I quote, uh, yard
signs don't win elections, sowhy would we spend money on it?
I I remember trying to getbumper stickers for your
campaign.
No.
Oh my gosh, we had to waitforever to get bumper stickers.
SPEAKER_04 (07:22):
Yeah, we got like the lesson.
SPEAKER_02 (07:23):
I was like, I'll go fundraise to get the bumper.
I'll sell the bumper stickersfor a quarter apiece.
Like, let me have them.
And so I'm telling you rightnow, it has nothing to do with
Darren White's campaign.
SPEAKER_04 (07:31):
No, it doesn't.
But it is a happy accident forthem.
Because they're looking at itgoing, all right.
SPEAKER_02 (07:36):
I think it's people that are frustrated with the
fact that the homelessness oftaking over downtown businesses,
everything, business owners arefed up.
So we definitely have who wethink it is, or we think it's
involved with it.
SPEAKER_04 (07:47):
If you're a cop and you're trying to narrow down the
list of business owners who weretrying to stick it to Tim
Keller, you'd be you as thedetective, you'd be like, the
list is 8,000 people long.
SPEAKER_08 (08:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (08:02):
How in the world am I gonna find out who did this?
I mean, plus, you look at thefact that that there's no tags
on them, no nothing.
SPEAKER_02 (08:09):
Nothing.
SPEAKER_04 (08:10):
Nothing.
I mean, this thing was thisthing was done with the
precision of a politicaloperation the likes we have
never seen in this state.
It's unbelievable.
SPEAKER_02 (08:19):
I think it I think it was actually super funny.
I mean, I'm sorry, but it was itwas really funny because the
last thing that Tim Keller wantsare pictures of homeless people
doing drugs, passed out, wearingsweatshirts that say I love Tim
Keller.
I mean, well, talk aboutsomething you don't want your
name attached to.
SPEAKER_04 (08:37):
Well, it's funny and it it's it's it's funny in the
in a political sense, but in theother political sense.
SPEAKER_02 (08:42):
I'm not saying make fun of homeless people.
I'm not saying that.
Don't get me wrong.
SPEAKER_04 (08:44):
No, no, no, no, I know, I know you're not at all.
I I totally get it.
But but but the thing is thatwhat's what's amazing about this
is finally we found somethingthat to to enrage Mayor Keller.
Because at this point, it seemslike he's just nothing seems to
I don't know, nothing seems tobother him at all.
It's no big deal that that wehave a homeless population of
suffering people, up to 5,000 inthe city right now.
(09:05):
That doesn't seem to get himworked up.
What gets him worked up is themactually wearing his gear.
So let's go ahead and justlisten to Channel 13 had their
debate, and we don't have muchon that, but we do have this
little this little clip fromChannel 13 where both candidates
respond to Sweatshirt Gate.
SPEAKER_12 (09:28):
Both parties accused each other of handing them out
to the homeless.
The Republican Party first sentout a statement saying, quote,
using the homeless as politicalpawns is a new low for Tim
Keller and shows just how tonedecked he is.
Tim Keller's campaign claimsDarren White supporters are
behind the sweatshirt sayingusing people experiencing
homelessness as political propsis disgraceful.
(09:50):
Mr.
White was one of your supportersbehind this.
We have not heard back from yourcampaign.
SPEAKER_08 (09:55):
Oh, I released the statement.
I no, I don't know who did it.
Um I have no idea.
I in fact, I saw it uh Wednesdayafternoon when I was driving uh
from the VA hospital.
I saw all the yellow shirts.
I didn't know what it said.
Um but no, listen, there issomebody obviously that is so a
citizen that is so frustratedwith your policies, Mayor, that
(10:16):
they use this as a means toexpress their frustration.
And and let me if we're gonnatalk about condemnation, he's
he's come out and said wewouldn't have to be able to do
that.
Please, let me respond, please.
He said that we need to, heneeds me to condemn this.
Mayor, if anybody should becondemned, it's you.
Because you have allowed thisproblem to get so bad that it is
(10:36):
destroying our city.
And let me just say this.
Instead of listen, I I meanclearly that this issue, this is
at the forefront.
And and instead of whining aboutcritics, why don't you do
something about the homelessproblem that would benefit our
city?
SPEAKER_12 (10:52):
Mr.
Keller, would you like torespond about the sweatshirts
this weekend?
SPEAKER_09 (10:56):
So, first, this is what we are doing every day.
Canning on sweatshirts.
And as I've said, we do addressdozens a week.
We may need Dean to step inhere.
So I do want to just come backto the idea that we have to be
(11:17):
both.
SPEAKER_04 (11:17):
See if Dean will step in.
SPEAKER_09 (11:19):
But Darren's answer is not that.
It is to arrest people.
And that is simply not anacceptable answer.
It's not the change you want,even if you're frustrated.
And the assumption is a goodidea.
We were asking about asweatshirt.
SPEAKER_07 (11:32):
Sure, we'd like to move on to the other.
SPEAKER_09 (11:44):
Let alone the homeless.
And that is what this is.
Someone is handing out thesesweaters, taking advantage of
the homeless, preying upon them.
It's gross, it's disgusting, andit's also not hard to condemn.
No one should do that.
It doesn't matter if somebody isdoing a good job or for in a
campaign or not.
No one should take advantage ofthe homeless for political gain.
And that's exactly what Darrenshould say.
SPEAKER_04 (12:05):
All right, so I want to I want to try something here
because this is this iscraziness, right?
It's a crazy story.
Uh, but uh, but I want to putthis into a more serious tone.
Okay.
Okay, for a quick second.
SPEAKER_02 (12:16):
I'll try to straighten out.
SPEAKER_04 (12:17):
I know, and we're gonna go back to unserious when
we go to the AI thing here injust a second.
SPEAKER_02 (12:20):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (12:20):
But but I I want to lay something out because it it
struck me watching uh Keller'sreaction, no one should be used
as a prop, his indignation andeverything else.
And that's that's fine.
I mean, he's quite performative,there's no doubt.
Uh, but here's what I started tothink about with the homeless
issue because I think it'ssomething that is heartbreaking.
Any way you look at it, you seewhat's happening.
And so what it made me thinkabout is it made me think about
(12:41):
Ella for a second.
Okay.
And I want to talk about theapproach to homelessness.
And Ella, you can come onto themic here just so you have a
voice in all this.
But I want you to view thehomelessness through the eyes of
how you would view it with yourown child.
So imagine if, for us, Ella ishomeless.
Ella?
Okay?
SPEAKER_12 (12:59):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (12:59):
Okay.
Ella is homeless.
So we look at how we would wantElla to be dealt with.
What it because if you watch theKeller ads, it's cruel to round
up homeless people andeverything else.
And as I thought about this, andI and I kept thinking about
Ella, thinking, if it was Ella,what would I want?
What would I do as a parent?
Which parent would I be?
Would I be the parent who says,Well, Ella's addicted.
(13:23):
What are you gonna do?
I mean, they they sleep wherethey sleep.
It's cruel to round them up,don't do that.
Or would I be the parent, and Iknow you would be the parent,
who would say, I will stop atnothing to get her help.
If it means involuntarilyputting her into treatment, do
it.
If it means arresting Ella toget her treatment, then do it.
(13:48):
And you say, How many timeswould you have to arrest her?
As many as it took, you wouldrelentlessly push to arrest or
to get into treatment first andforemost, because for most
homeless people, it ends indeath because it is all about
addiction.
And as a parent who truly cares,compassion is not saying, Yep,
(14:12):
that's what happens.
Compassion and caring is saying,I will stop at nothing to get
you help, and you're getting offthe street.
And so to me, as I look at this,it's been reversed.
Keller's trying to create thisworld where he's compassionate
by letting people rot on thestreets and die at numbers the
city has never seen before.
(14:32):
And that's compassion.
Meanwhile, Darren is scary andcruel because he wants to get
you into treatment, or you'regoing to get arrested until you
agree to go to treatment.
Right.
That to me is compassion.
If you're a parent and you thinkabout your child and you think
that's your child, what are yougoing to do?
You're going to do anything youcan to get them help.
And it is not about leaving themthere to rot.
(14:55):
And the emotion of this and thereversal of it is disgusting to
me.
I can't stand it.
And I think this is something weshould all get around to be able
to say leaving people on thestreet to contend with their
addiction, which ends in theirdeath, is not compassion.
It's vicious cruelty.
And I think the way this hasbeen reversed makes zero sense
(15:18):
to me.
So if you're you're voting andmaybe you haven't made a choice
yet who you're going to votefor, think about if your child
was on that street, who wouldyou want?
Would you want the person whosays, You're coming with me,
brother, you're getting help.
And you may not want it.
I know you're addicted and Iknow your brain is not doing
what it should do.
And it is in the throes ofaddiction.
So we're going to force you intohelp.
(15:38):
And I'm sorry that it's going tobe hard.
And maybe we do it 20 times.
Maybe we address uh arrest you20 times before you finally say,
I'm going to treatment.
If that's what it takes, thenone day the person who took you
on that 21st time will be anangel to you and not someone of
cruelty.
SPEAKER_02 (15:56):
So what's interesting is yes, for
starters, I would have I wouldbe the one that was landing my
helicopter every day because I'ma helicopter mom, as you know.
So I would definitely be onthat.
But it, you know, it is aninteresting story in my life
group out in LA.
When I lived in LA, I had aBible study group and there was
a guy that we, that some of thepeople in my life group knew who
was living on the streets andwas homeless for three and a
half plus years, something likethat.
(16:17):
Definitely addicted.
And we would try to go, we'dmake our lunches for these for
the homeless.
We'd go to the park, we'd handout our lunch sacks, and we
would try to find him.
And that was this goal becausethis was one of the we had all
had our own personal missiontrips kind of that we had
planned, mission trips meaninglike things we could do locally.
And this was one of our membersin our life group's idea.
So we kept going out until wefound him.
(16:39):
Okay.
The first time he was like, no,no, no, I don't want to have
anything to do with you guys.
We kept finding, we found hislocation so we could go back to
that same park.
When we finally got him intotreatment, which by the way, not
easy to do, not easy to convincehim at all.
And especially LA has nicerweather than even we do.
So talk about he wasn't freezingat night, none of those things,
right?
When he finally got cleaned up,which took a long time, by the
(17:00):
way, it did take a long time.
The full story of this, the fullcircle moment is he ended up
coming to our life groupafterwards and joining our
group, right?
And then he joined us in this.
Yeah, it was amazing.
But he what he said was listen,you're so out of your mind on
drugs and your life.
I mean, he goes, I was likeevery night I was trying not to
get stabbed or hurt or anything,but I would never have willingly
(17:21):
wanted to go to get treatmentbecause my mind was so messed up
that I was thinking, this is abetter life for me.
I don't have to work, nobody'syelling at me.
I can do the drugs that I want,I can drink what I want, I can
do whatever I want, I canpanhandle and I have enough
money to get by.
He said, if it had not been forcontinued force basically by
people who loved him to get himinto treatment, he would never
(17:42):
have seen the light and givenhis heart to Christ and kind of
had that renewal of energy.
And now he's been a witness toother homeless people for, I
mean, we did this 18 years ago.
So he's been out there, youknow, for the last 15 years or
so doing the same kind ofmission work.
So I'm just I'm saying that likeyou're absolutely right.
And trust me, when it's outthere, you're like, you just
(18:03):
want to feed them, right?
Because your heart, especiallyif you're a mom, right?
You're like, oh, I just want tofeed these guys or give them a
bath or give them a blanket orbuy them a cup of coffee,
whatever.
You kind of go to that.
But then the reverse side isit's just like parenting in a
lot of ways.
SPEAKER_04 (18:15):
It's enabling.
SPEAKER_02 (18:16):
Yeah, you can't enable your kid to make bad
decisions because it's hard tobe a parent, right?
Because sometimes it just sucksto be a parent and you got to be
the bad guy.
And out of our, you know, out ofus, we both tag team on the bad
guy.
Sometimes you're the bad guy,sometimes I'm the bad guy.
No, and I think that that isit's a really interesting, it's
a great story too, but no, it'svery true.
SPEAKER_04 (18:34):
It's a very, it's a it's a really good story.
And I just can't stand theargument that somehow it's
compassionate to let someonejust rot on the street.
And and he's more upset aboutsomeone wearing out a hoodie
than wearing out their veinswith fentanyl.
It's unreal to me.
And so that and that's one partof it.
Then the other part of it is, ofcourse, you we owe everybody in
this city a clean city free ofpeople sleeping on the streets.
(18:58):
I mean, that's another, that'sanother huge part of this.
But but there is no part of itin which compassion falls on the
side of watching people sleep onthe streets.
Sorry, you're not compassionate.
You don't care.
Like if you're watching that,you don't care.
Now, there's a bunch ofdifferent solutions to this.
There's no doubt.
There's a bunch of those thatcan happen.
But there's one thing that'sundeniable.
When Mayor Keller came intooffice, we had a third of the
(19:20):
homeless that we have now.
We are attracting them for somereason, right?
Because if you make somethingattractive and you let people do
what they want to do, you'regonna, it's gonna be a magnet.
Right.
And so you're a magnet not forcompassion, but you are a magnet
for suffering.
Yeah.
Because you're just going tocontinue to increase their
ability to what is basicallyamounting to a slow motion
(19:44):
suicide attempt.
SPEAKER_02 (19:45):
Yeah.
And thinking that all thesepeople are from here is also not
true.
Like we're just we're creatingan environment that is
welcoming, like you just said.
Yeah.
Okay, so let's take a little,uh, let's lighten it up a little
bit because this is actually,you know, it's kind of, I mean,
this was not around when youran.
I can't imagine the AI videos ifthey were around when you ran.
SPEAKER_04 (20:03):
Oh, yeah, they take your voice, right?
And they put it through AI.
Oh, oh, and this is um, this is,I will say, the writing on this
is pretty solid.
You know, it's interesting.
There's some AI things you watchand you just kind of go, ugh,
and you kind of roll your eyes.
Yeah.
If you watch this, it is ratheramusing.
And and we'll we'll get into thedetails, but it this is a couple
of minutes long.
But this is, at least accordingto AI, Tim Keller and one of his
(20:28):
latest campaign videos, or maybenot.
SPEAKER_10 (20:32):
Albuquerque.
My city, my esotericmasterpiece.
People say the streets aredangerous, but I traverse them
daily.
Well, I drive through withsecurity, windows open, doors
locked.
But spiritually, I'm out there.
You see tents, I see rusticopen-air innovation labs, you
(20:52):
see carjackings, I seespontaneous, community-led
vehicle redistribution.
It's all about reframing throughan esoteric lens of progress.
I'm not hiding behind a fancydesk.
I'm in front of murals I didn'tpay for, looking visionary while
pointing at spray paint.
They say Albuquerque is fallingapart.
I say it's undergoing anesoteric transformation.
(21:15):
Entropy is just step one on theroad to progress.
Downtown?
Still physically present.
That counts.
Yes, business is left, butthat's the invisible hand of
revitalization, clearing spacefor plywood, pop-ups, and
prophetic chalk art.
From the sacred heat ripples ofSan Mateo and Central to the
enlightened shouts of, heyKeller from across Zuni, this
(21:38):
city speaks my name, sometimesaggressively, with hand gestures
or blunt objects.
But love is love.
I'm not just your mayor, I'myour vibe curator, your
spiritual concierge ofpostmodern urban decay.
This is not dysfunction.
This is high-level esotericgovernance.
So next time you step overbiohazards or hear the gentle
(21:59):
hum of a sawzall under yourHyundai, pause.
Breathe it in.
That's the aroma of rawprogress.
Under Tim Killer, you're notjust surviving, you're
participating in an unfoldingesoteric blueprint.
And if you don't get it, that'son you.
I'm not here to solve problems.
I'm here to tweet, deflect, anddouble down.
(22:20):
Because I'm Tim Killer and Ihave no idea what I'm doing.
But I do have a commemorativecoin and a film crew.
You're welcome, Albuquerque.
Now shut up and vote for meagain.
SPEAKER_04 (22:31):
Okay, so what's interesting about this is first
of all, not uh now, I don't knowwho wrote it or how how it all
went down, but the writing is isamusing.
But what this starts to show isthere's really, and I think
increasingly now in politicalcampaigns, you have two
different campaigns going on.
You you have the main campaign,right, where you see a lot of
(22:52):
the channels of communication gothrough either direct digital
back and forth, like in otherwords, campaign ads, or you see
the media and when they decideto do anything, uh, they'll
they'll be a factor and you'llhear it through those main
channels.
And then there's thatundercurrent channel, the
channel of memes or the channelof things like AI and doing
things like that is all gonna bea factor going forward here.
(23:16):
And stuff like this will startto you know gain more momentum
and things of that nature.
So this is definitely somethingto get used to because it's
gonna keep going.
SPEAKER_02 (23:23):
It will keep going.
I mean, and it's I mean, it I Iwonder what he thinks of it.
I wonder what Tim Keller thinksof that.
SPEAKER_04 (23:29):
I wonder if he's like I doubt he's amused.
SPEAKER_02 (23:32):
Oh, you sure?
SPEAKER_04 (23:33):
Yeah, yeah.
Probably doesn't think it'sgreat.
SPEAKER_02 (23:35):
No, probably not, but it was witty, it's witty
writing.
SPEAKER_04 (23:38):
Well, it's well the problem, these things write
themselves.
I mean, that's that's thereality of it.
SPEAKER_02 (23:42):
It's frightening in a lot of ways because it can be
very trick or you know, verytricky.
Um trying to figure out whatstuff.
But okay, let's move on fromthis and let's uh let's talk
about some of the things.
SPEAKER_04 (23:50):
Oh, by the way, right voting though will
continue through Saturday, isit?
SPEAKER_02 (23:53):
And then we go to the city voting, early voting
goes through Saturday.
Yeah.
And then um main voting formayor and some of the city
council seats that are still twoof them are still up for uh a
runoff, uh is uh actually on theninth, is the actual yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (24:07):
It's gotta be Tuesday.
Yep, yep.
Absolutely.
Fantastic.
Okay.
Okay.
All right, I want to movenational now, and we're gonna go
to Mark Kelly, who's been in thenews a lot.
He was one of the guys who wentout and told our military, hey,
you know, follow whatever ordersyou think you need to.
SPEAKER_02 (24:21):
And so that was he's been in the press lately uh for
making his own judgment calls.
SPEAKER_04 (24:25):
Yes, yeah, make your own call, make your own call.
That's how the military works.
SPEAKER_02 (24:28):
Yeah, because that's what it is.
It's a free-for-all.
You don't, there's no command.
Yeah, exactly right.
SPEAKER_04 (24:33):
You're exactly right.
And so part of the reason he wason Meet the Press this past week
was because of that, right?
Right.
And then they asked him aquestion about what's going on
and why is the Trumpadministration pulled back on
third world countries and said,wait a minute, we have to vet
everybody.
We have to do this.
We cannot continue just to letcountries, you know, people flow
in here without knowing who theyare, right?
(24:54):
And so Mark Kelly goes for thelowest common denominator.
And why I think it's gonna bebrutal going forward to try to
reach any sort of bipartisanunderstanding of protecting this
country.
So listen to where Kelly goeswith this.
SPEAKER_11 (25:10):
Secretaries say that they're gonna pause immigration
from third world countries.
I mean, I I take that as amessage that they don't want
brown people coming to theUnited States.
And I find that disturbing.
Uh we are a country that havehas always welcomed individuals
that are struggling, that arefleeing famine and violence.
(25:34):
And it would be a fundamentalchange to the fabric of our
nation to change that.
SPEAKER_04 (25:39):
No, a fundamental change to the fabric of this
country is not to have bordersanymore and not to have any sort
of vetting process to know who'scoming into this country.
That's the fundamental change,which they ushered in five years
ago, right?
They ushered it in.
It's the reason they don't havea democratic president anymore,
is because he ushered insomething that the American
people said, What are you doing?
And even his own party said,What is going on here?
(26:01):
And now he's going back to thelowest common denominator again.
Oh, they're all racist.
Yeah.
It's this is really the sort ofthing that is completely
destructive.
And he's pathetic.
And I think you see what he whenhe does stuff like this, it's
because he has no unique ideas.
He has no ability to separatehimself and to present a cogent
(26:23):
vision for what this countryshould be from his side.
And so this sort of thing isleading to issues.
And you start wondering why.
And you say, how do we end upwith a situation like we got in
Minnesota?
Yeah.
Right?
Like, how do we get there?
We get there because we havedishonest brokers who won't call
things out and say, I'm gonnahold everybody accountable.
I'm gonna answer to the Americanpeople first, not I'm gonna
(26:46):
answer to let's take a fullpolitical ideology and shove it
down someone's throat.
And before they realize what'shappened, it's too late for them
to do anything about it.
SPEAKER_02 (26:55):
Yeah.
So here's this headline thatcame out.
Um, I believe this is the NewYork Times.
Yeah.
Um, and this says how fraudswamp Minnesota's social
services system on Tim Waltz iswatched.
Prosecutors say members of theSomali diaspora, a group with
growing political power, werelargely responsible.
President Trump has drawnnational attention to the
scandal amid his crackdown onimmigration.
SPEAKER_04 (27:15):
Okay, so we're not gonna go through the whole New
York Times article here, but butthe point being in all this,
political power, meaning afraidto stand up to a group who they
don't want to cross, right?
And so you go back to Kelly'scomments and you start you start
mixing that with what's happenedin Minnesota and the fact that
you have a massive Somalicommunity.
(27:36):
Now, many of them have nothingto do with this, but obviously
plenty do, and they ripped offthe state to the tune of a
billion dollars.
Yeah.
And you can't get to that unlessyou have a governor or people
all the way down through thestructure of government in the
state of Minnesota that clearlyturn a blind eye.
SPEAKER_02 (27:56):
Yeah, or you have no idea what your state budget is.
I mean, that's the other thing,too, is like maybe you have no
idea what your budget is.
I mean, I doubt it.
SPEAKER_04 (28:04):
They clearly have the budget, but they they have a
balanced budget amendment.
They don't have a choice, right?
SPEAKER_02 (28:08):
Right, but I'm telling you, you get a billion
dollars in charges and thatdoesn't shoot up a red flag.
SPEAKER_04 (28:12):
Oh, it's it's it's unreal, right?
And you see these things and youknow on the ground, uh, there's
no way someone rips off thestate of New Mexico for a
billion dollars without ushaving some idea of what the
heck is going on.
Yeah, exactly.
Right, and so it's craziness.
So anyway, now everybody'sjumping on it, right?
And NBC News had Tim Wals on,and so she asked him the
(28:34):
question on Meet the Press.
SPEAKER_01 (28:47):
As you know, governor, that is more than
Minnesota spends uh each year torun its Department of
Corrections.
So I think he doesn't know that.
Do you take responsibility forfailing to stop this fraud in
your state?
SPEAKER_03 (29:01):
Well, certainly I take responsibility for putting
people in jail.
Governors don't get to uh justtalk theoretically.
We have to solve problems.
And I will note it's not justSomalis.
Minnesota is a generous state,Minnesota's a prosperous day, a
well-run state where AAA bondrated, but that attracts
criminals.
Those people are going to jail.
We're doing everything we can,but to demonize an entire
(29:22):
community on the actions of afew, um, it's lazy.
SPEAKER_04 (29:26):
No, what's lazy is you not enforcing the laws and
watching the money in yourstate.
See, if you had done your jobinitially, there wouldn't this
be happening.
This wouldn't be a stain on theSomali community because you
would have gone after the peopleright away who were doing this
and thrown them in jail whenthey tried to rip you off for a
hundred thousand versus ahundred million or a billion.
Right.
But he doesn't do any of thatand immediately shifts the focus
(29:49):
and says, Yeah, there are othercriminals here too.
It's not just the Somalis.
And you're like, What?
SPEAKER_02 (29:54):
Well, then he also deflected and blamed Trump,
right?
So then it's like, well, okay,you've got the federal
government now coming.
Coming in to try to save the dayin that state.
Yeah.
So it's like, you know, littleTimmy doesn't know what he's
doing.
I'm sorry, but like if if you'reif people are blasting through a
billion dollars in taxpayermoney for fraud and you're not
sniffing that or seeing that redflag, something tells me you're
(30:16):
not in the right position.
SPEAKER_04 (30:18):
Well, no, you didn't want to see it.
You didn't want to see it.
You're like, where is it?
I can't see it.
I can't see it.
Where is it?
Where is it?
I mean, come on.
This is crazy.
So now the White House islighting him up.
SPEAKER_02 (30:28):
As they should.
So let's take a little, let'stake a little bit, a little look
at Caroline Levitt, just alittle press conference that she
gave on this.
SPEAKER_06 (30:36):
Somali immigrants in Minnesota have been ripping off
American taxpayers.
In fact, 86 people have beencharged in a rampant and
widespread fraud scheme spanningmultiple programs in Minnesota.
Of those 86, 78 of those peopleare Somali, 91% of them charged.
So far, 59 of those people havebeen convicted for their roles
(30:58):
in fraud plots that have stolen$1 billion from taxpayers.
In one scheme, and this isegregious, a nonprofit and its
affiliates with these Somalimigrants claimed to have fed
tens of thousands of Americanchildren during the pandemic.
They were reimbursed for thosemeals during the by taxpayers.
However, federal prosecutorsfound that almost all of those
(31:21):
meals were never even deliveredto hungry children.
In fact, those organizations'leaders spent the money on
houses, luxury cars, and realestate in Turkey and Kenya.
SPEAKER_04 (31:32):
Okay.
So the point being in all ofthis is that when you look at
the American taxpayer, in thisparticular case in Minnesota,
and you see their frustrationthat wait a minute, what are we
doing?
Who in our leadership is goingto make a priority caring for
the American people?
I mean, it's that simple.
And you're not trying to targetanybody, but what you're trying
(31:52):
to do is make sure that nobody'sripping off the people who go to
work every day and bust theirbutts.
And now you you have leaders whocare so little about you that
they would rather take thepolitical expediency of not
upsetting a constituency versusletting you get ripped off.
And it it absolutely, we havepeople who have no business in
(32:13):
leadership.
And another example is Waltz.
I mean, I this guy is un nowwe'll see what happens in
Minnesota.
It's Minnesota's an interestingstate, definitely a a bluer
state, no doubt, but it's not soblue that this isn't gonna be a
huge issue for him.
I can't imagine him gettingre-elected, but then again, in
this year, it could be a bigyear for Democrats in 2026.
(32:34):
So he's gonna run again.
I think a third time.
A third time.
SPEAKER_02 (32:36):
Well, I heard I heard he was still gonna maybe
throw his hat in on theDemocratic Party side to run
again and as president.
SPEAKER_04 (32:41):
Well, it doesn't matter.
He'd run for uh he'd run forgovernor again.
He'd he'd get elected governoragain.
No, no question both.
He'll live together.
No, it's 28, is thepresidential.
So he would be he'd be elected.
SPEAKER_02 (32:51):
Oh, the governor's race is before that.
SPEAKER_04 (32:53):
Yeah, it's in 26, right.
So he the way he would look atit is I got a chance to keep a
job going here, and then I candetermine.
I guarantee you that's whathe'll do.
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02 (32:59):
He'll absolutely that's why he's also worried
about voters right now, with himlike coming out too strong
against this fraud.
Well, heaven forbid he's a goodthing.
SPEAKER_04 (33:08):
Well, it is it's a it's a voting constituency,
right?
And you it's the last thing youwant to see as your as your
leaders buckle to aconstituency, you know, it and
say, you know what?
I'm not gonna look out for thetaxpayer.
I'm not gonna do it.
I'm just gonna let this go on.
It it just is it's unreal.
It's crazy.
SPEAKER_02 (33:23):
Yeah, okay.
Well, some good news, because welike to sprinkle in a little bit
of good news uh for GivingTuesday.
Trump did announce this uh newedition of the Trump accounts,
which he had mentioned before.
Yeah, like this has been laidout kind of a couple of months
ago, I believe.
It first kind of um came out.
Well, he he announced today thatthat basically Michael Dell and
his wife Susan are gonna bedonating this crazy amount of
(33:44):
money, very impressive amount ofmoney.
Um, it's like six billiondollars, if I am correct, I
believe so.
SPEAKER_04 (33:50):
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (33:51):
Um, to two to ten year olds, right?
It's it's basically Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (33:55):
So the Trump deal will cover newborns, basically.
I think it's a couple years.
So we'll we'll start with Trumptalking about that, and then
yeah, and then the Dells kind ofbackfill it after that, which is
interesting.
So we'll get into that.
But here's Trump talking aboutwhat the Trump accounts will do
for newborns here over the nextcouple of years.
(34:38):
Okay.
So what is what does this mean?
Well, as far as what you getfrom the Trump account, uh,
first of all, it's a thousanddollars, but then you don't get
access to it right away.
Okay, this is not and I saw someRepublicans saying, well, we
don't, I don't like this.
This is welfare.
And no, I think this is actuallysmart and it's different, right?
In other words, you put it intoaccount, you don't get access to
it until at the earliest 18years of age.
(35:00):
And you can use it for alldifferent sorts of things,
education, all different sortsof things like that.
And lower income families wouldwould get some other potential
contributions to that.
But overall, it would allow itto grow and it would show kids a
little bit of how the bankingsystem works, actually, which
could be really beneficial here,and it would allow them over
time to develop an account whichthey could use as they get
(35:22):
older.
This is much different than justa quick$500 here or$500 there.
Watching this thing grow isinteresting.
And when Michael Dell talkedabout it, it was interesting
too, because their program isgoing to be a little bit
different, which we'll get to ina second.
But he talked about the factthat when you look at what
happens with compoundinginterest, which is interesting
when you get two big businesspeople together and you're like,
hey, we should talk aboutcompound interest with people.
(35:44):
I mean, they should know becauseit's it's an incredible wealth
builder.
SPEAKER_02 (35:47):
Right.
So let's take a listen to whathe has to say about this.
SPEAKER_07 (35:50):
Susan and I are super excited to announce our
$6.25 billion gift to 25 millionAmerican children, uh, 10 and
under, and our gift will covermost of the children that are 10
and under that are not part ofthe federal program, uh, the the
zero to two-year-olds, and whoalso live in zip codes where the
(36:14):
median income is$150,000 orless.
And uh I have spoken with anumber of other uh wealthy
Americans, philanthropists, andwe are confident that others
will join us because uh we allunderstand the incredible impact
that a gift like this can haveon the lives of young Americans.
(36:38):
So again, it's a great honor forus to be here to be able to
announce this.
You know, when I was uh eightyears old, I got a Passbook
savings account and I had uh, Ithink about eight dollars in it.
And you go to the savings loanand you'd give them a quarter
and they'd stamp your account,and I got to see the power of
compound interest early in mylife.
(37:00):
And that has brought me here tothis moment, and hopefully uh
will inspire uh that kind ofopportunity for for other kids.
SPEAKER_02 (37:11):
Yeah, I think that got cut off.
But yeah, I think it'sinteresting.
It reminds me in some ways, Iknow it's not quite as
elaborate.
This is much more elaboratebecause they're gonna actually
partner with like uh you know,private sector basically to help
you're gonna follow the stockmarket basically to help grow
this money.
But I remember my grandparentsway back in the day would give
me a bond.
Yeah.
And so that bond, you did notcash the bond, right?
(37:33):
So the bond was given to youlike as a five-year-old or
six-year-old on your birthday orwhatever.
And and I don't remember exactlyhow it works.
I just know that I didn't touchthat money until I went to
college.
Yeah.
And it was worth more than whatit they had paid paid for it.
So I just remember those times.
I mean, you never hear of peoplegiving each other bonds anymore.
I don't even know if they dothat anymore.
But yeah, how I mean, but that'sthat's how old I am.
(37:54):
Is that that's what mygrandparents gave me for a
while?
SPEAKER_04 (37:56):
No, no, and but this makes a lot of sense.
I mean, in in the Dell plan towill give$250 per child.
So it won't be as high as whatthe federal government plan is,
but still you can use it, watchit grow over time.
It just, I just really like thissort of thing.
And I think when, you know, Isee some people on the right,
they're just like, I don't likeit, and whatever else.
It it it absolutely, this is thekind of thing that makes more
(38:17):
sense.
And I guarantee you, you'regonna get kids who are gonna get
into this, they're gonna watchit grow, and and they're gonna
start to figure out what's goingon with some of this stuff.
And I think you're gonna buildover time a lot more literacy
amongst our children with moneythan you would have without it.
So I do like it.
SPEAKER_02 (38:34):
I think it's a- I like I actually just read an
article the other day about howthere's a big spike in teenagers
today that are more interestedin in kind of playing the stock
market.
So they're they're investing uma little bit of money and
they're paying attention to itbecause they're they're just
wanting to see how it goes, youknow?
And so it's interesting to seethat that if there's some
interest with that.
I mean, we played that game whenI was in like eighth grade where
(38:56):
you were given fake money andyou had to grow your stocks.
SPEAKER_04 (38:59):
Absolutely, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (39:00):
In in, I think, I don't even know what class it
was, economics or something.
SPEAKER_04 (39:02):
I think it was, yeah.
I remember buying Hilton hotelsand making nothing.
SPEAKER_02 (39:06):
Do they do they even have an economics class in
public schooling?
SPEAKER_04 (39:08):
Well, no, they're trying, no, there, and there are
a lot of schools, and in somecases, there's definitely been a
push in the legislature to havean economics class or a class
that talks about basicallyunderstanding how economics
works and in in an everydaysense, right?
Which makes a tremendous amountof stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (39:24):
Yeah, I mean, we have a budget management class
at our school, at our thehighest schools high school.
Yeah, so it's definitely good.
Okay, I know that uh people weresad that we did not have game
camera footage last weekend.
We got some comments.
SPEAKER_04 (39:34):
Yeah, I've got fresh, I by the way, I've got
fresh stuff for this nextSunday.
SPEAKER_02 (39:37):
Because we didn't have as much video, right?
I think you have a couple ofgood things that you're gonna
share this upcoming weekend.
SPEAKER_04 (39:41):
Yeah, no, you're right.
We've seen a you've seen thingsback down a little bit.
SPEAKER_02 (39:45):
I think this is my theory.
Hunting season and winter.
Those bears are like, time forme to go take a nap.
SPEAKER_04 (39:50):
Yeah, I definitely think you're right on the
winter.
SPEAKER_02 (39:52):
Oh, and I'm just so sad that those bears are off.
Well, they're snoozing.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, they've had a littlebears went off to find their
little uh porridge and theirlittle point.
I'm fine with that.
I'm right, I'm fine with that.
But in in the spirit of uh somesort of animal story.
SPEAKER_04 (40:06):
Yes, it's just this is an also an animal story, is
what you're saying.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (40:09):
This is also an animal story.
Okay, I like that.
That is my transition.
You're welcome.
Well done.
And also because we have our ownstory um about um this this
particular kind of bird.
SPEAKER_04 (40:19):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (40:20):
Okay.
Okay.
It's an albatross story.
Okay.
Okay.
So take this, take a look atthis.
Record-breaking 75-year-oldmother bird prepares to nest.
Okay.
Oh my goodness.
This is the albatross.
Do you remember the albatross inHawaii?
SPEAKER_04 (40:31):
I do.
SPEAKER_02 (40:32):
Okay.
Where we didn't understand thatthe albatross sit there after
they're born for a year waitingfor their mothers to bring them
food back.
Remember that?
SPEAKER_04 (40:38):
Well, uh, yeah, something like that.
SPEAKER_02 (40:40):
Yeah, they wait a year, a week, a year.
Ava turnt looked it all up andeverything.
She like nerded out on the wholething.
SPEAKER_04 (40:46):
Yeah, I was sitting right outside where we're
staying, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (40:49):
Yeah, and we wanted to give it food and stuff, and
she's like, Don't give itanything, don't give it
anything.
They they sit there, they wait.
SPEAKER_04 (40:54):
All the neighbors knew, and this was So it wasn't
a good idea if we tried to bringit some of the Costco sashimi
that we got from Costco thismorning.
SPEAKER_02 (41:00):
I'm not gonna say who tried to do that.
Yeah, I'm not gonna say thateither.
And it wasn't me.
So there's that.
Anyway, yeah, no, they don'tthey don't want your sushi.
They want to wait for theirmother to bring them food back.
So okay, but look at this.
Just take check this little birdout, right?
Yeah.
So basically, it's in Hawaiiagain.
And this is since 1956, thiswildlife biologist has first
identified and banded this birdthey named Wisdom after she laid
(41:23):
one egg.
Okay.
Since then, wisdom has producedan estimated 50 to 60 eggs, and
as many as 30 chicks havefledged in her lifetime.
Last year, wisdom became theworld's oldest known wild bird
to successfully lay an egg atthe estimated age of 74.
She has arrived back in Hawaii.
Okay, and she is currentlyawaiting her mate.
And they mate with I under myunderstanding is they mate with
(41:45):
the same mate every time.
SPEAKER_04 (41:47):
Whoa, so we got a 75-year-old guy with her?
SPEAKER_02 (41:50):
Uh, well, I don't know if he's her original mate.
SPEAKER_04 (41:52):
Like, you're saying she's like the black widow.
She's like got a ton ofdifferent.
SPEAKER_02 (42:00):
Well, I don't know, but they say that they do mate
with the same, the same mate.
So maybe maybe he's 75 yearsold.
SPEAKER_04 (42:06):
Yeah, he's like, My gosh, I'm just tired.
SPEAKER_02 (42:08):
I don't know.
I I think it's a fascinatingbird.
Double.
The fact that they go and theylay one egg, and I don't know,
remember how long they sit onthe egg.
I should have done moreresearch.
I apologize, people.
But they sit on the egg for along time.
And then when that baby ishatched, mom flies away for a
year, up to a year, is what weread, what Ava read, and then
they bring them back food.
And that's when they first eat.
And then and then that birdfollows mom.
SPEAKER_04 (42:30):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (42:30):
At that point.
unknown (42:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (42:32):
And so it's crazy.
That bird's crazy.
It's amazing.
It really is amazing.
They are amazing.
SPEAKER_04 (42:36):
And they're very, they're beautiful birds, too.
It's cool.
SPEAKER_02 (42:39):
Oh, they're huge.
SPEAKER_04 (42:40):
Yeah, they are big.
They're bigger than they lookthere.
SPEAKER_02 (42:41):
Yeah, they're a big bird.
So you definitely notice it withsitting in your yard.
SPEAKER_04 (42:45):
Yeah, it's a real albatross when you're yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (42:47):
It's a real albatross.
SPEAKER_04 (42:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (42:48):
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SPEAKER_04 (43:12):
Yeah.
Yeah.
We'll have uh last minutedetails on the mayor's race.
We're seeing it through to theend.
SPEAKER_02 (43:18):
Of course.
SPEAKER_04 (43:18):
I'm hearing rumors that there could be something
interesting coming down that theshow could get a hold of.
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Could be huge, but it also could totally fall
apart.
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Okay, perfect, Ella.
Perfect.
Nice job.
A late evening for Ella doingsome work for us on the board.
We uh had a technical umdisagreement on how to handle
the music.
SPEAKER_02 (00:17):
She she likes to zip the music really fast.
SPEAKER_04 (00:20):
Yeah, she brings it way down.
SPEAKER_02 (00:21):
Because she just wants us to hurry.
I think that's all it's no no.
I'm just saying it's a littleawkward if you're both sitting
here with the music playing.
Yeah.
What if dad dances?
SPEAKER_04 (00:29):
You but you just you went down to the perfect level
right out of the shoot.
Like it was just a little, itwas it was a little below where
we started.
It allowed our voices to go overthe top, really well done.
SPEAKER_02 (00:38):
Here's what I wish we could find.
I wish we could find some sortof holiday music that's not
copyright that we could playbecause I have set up some of
the decorations in the in here.
Now they're not all done.
SPEAKER_04 (00:48):
By the way, your your little pine is listing a
little bit to the left.
SPEAKER_02 (00:52):
What's wrong with it?
SPEAKER_04 (00:53):
It's going a little left.
It's bent a little left.
Oh at the top.
Look at the top of it.
There we go.
Look at you adjusting.
Look at you.
Yeah.
Look at you.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01):
You can't have any trees leaning to the left, if
you know what I'm saying.
Anyway, uh no, I uh yeah, okay.
See, I've tried to set up someof the Christmas stuff.
No, you've done well.
No, you've done well.
SPEAKER_04 (01:12):
I got a little bit behind me, a little bit of a
situation, and the wreath behindme, which fell down in the last
episode, is back.
SPEAKER_02 (01:18):
We'll see if it lasts.
Right.
But I do love Christmas.
I want the studio to have alittle joy in it.
Yes.
Especially since we kind ofbring you um some some of the
rough news of the day.
And we should have blended out abit.
SPEAKER_04 (01:28):
Today we got a nice mix.
We did.
Actually, I think today's apretty good mix.
SPEAKER_02 (01:31):
You know why?
Because I helped produce today'sshow.
I gave you all the lightsfodder.
SPEAKER_04 (01:35):
Helped produce is really strong.
But um you did you did offer,you did offer um more than zero,
which is nice.
SPEAKER_02 (01:42):
Oh my gosh, you stop it right now.
I offered a lot more than evenmade it in the show.
Okay, we'll see.
SPEAKER_04 (01:47):
So well, let's get to we'll get to that in a
second, but let I'll go quickrundown here.
Okay.
Uh big, big uh yellow sweatshirtcontroversy in Albuquerque.
If you're not from here, you'reyou're gonna find this one
rather abusive.
SPEAKER_02 (01:57):
I don't even think you have to be here to think
this one's funny.
SPEAKER_04 (02:00):
No, very, very, very true.
And then we're gonna talk aboutAI in campaigns.
Get ready, right?
It's starting to infiltratecampaigns.
I know, and it looks like mom isa ventriloquist because it's got
there we go.
Oh, there we go.
Thanks, Ella.
Good morning.
SPEAKER_02 (02:13):
Ella's busy right now.
SPEAKER_04 (02:14):
Don't worry about it.
Uh, and then so we're gonna talkabout AI in campaigns.
Then we're gonna get into someof what's going on with the
immigration debate and the wholestory we brought you about the
autism controversy in Minnesotain the Somali community there,
where there are all thesecharges flying.
Now Tim Waltz has been swallowedup in this.
We're gonna talk a little bitabout that, and we're also gonna
(02:34):
talk about the Trump accounts,which are really interesting
because it's what today?
SPEAKER_02 (02:38):
Today is Giving Tuesday.
SPEAKER_04 (02:40):
Today's Giving Tuesday.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (02:41):
And so You won't hear this until after Giving
Tuesday on Wednesday.
SPEAKER_04 (02:44):
Good point.
It's a good point.
It's late, late at night rightnow.
Um, but I will tell you thatit's interesting.
So we're gonna talk about theTrump accounts, and then Michael
Dell and his wife, Susan, cameup with a brilliant plan.
I think is really smart.
There are some Republicans thatare ripping it, and I think
that's really dumb.
So we'll talk about that.
We've got Elk taking overColorado Town and Christy's
(03:05):
story of the day, arecord-breaking 75-year-old
mother.
What is that all about?
We'll see.
SPEAKER_02 (03:11):
Giving birth, by the way, at 75.
Yes, we'll talk about that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um thank you for allowing me tohave some content in the show.
I appreciate that, Mark.
SPEAKER_04 (03:18):
We put you in at the end.
We put your stuff in at the end.
SPEAKER_02 (03:21):
I had lead stories today, too.
And you're like, nah, I don'tknow.
I feel like that's I don't know.
We want to talk about that ornot.
I'm not too sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, fine, fine, fine.
SPEAKER_04 (03:29):
Get to it.
SPEAKER_02 (03:30):
Okay, so okay, a lot of you wrote us comments and
sent us pictures and video ofthis famous yellow sweatshirt
that's making its way in thefashion world of Albuquerque.
SPEAKER_04 (03:42):
If Paul Guessing was the guy who kind of, I think,
originally broke this story.
He's our friend over at uherrors of enchantment.com, Rio
Grande Foundation.
Uh, Paul's always a great guy,interesting guy.
And he just a pretty simpletweet here, but then it really
took off.
SPEAKER_02 (03:57):
Yeah, it says on the eve of early voting, hundreds of
Albuquerque homeless supportingyellow I love Tim Keller
sweatshirts.
He has a picture of a homelessguy in the yellow sweatshirt
right next to a fire.
Uh which is it keeping warm, Iguess, on the streets.
Uh, also Albuquerque Raw, theyalso posted video and stuff like
that.
And it kind of just went viral.
(04:17):
It took off.
Then it became the theconversation became who who gave
all these, it's it's hundreds ofsweatshirts, by the way.
So my understanding is it'squite a few of the homeless
people have these sweatshirtson.
It became a bit of a battle, Ithink, of who supplied all the
sweatshirts.
SPEAKER_04 (04:35):
You see them cruising around.
Look at this guy with his owncart, and then you got one
that's been discarded.
It looks like a little dirtythere.
Yeah.
As a matter of fact, these pearwearing it.
Yeah, pears wearing it.
I gotta say, whoever did this,it was, I mean, I mean, first of
all, you're gonna watch thereaction from both campaigns.
SPEAKER_02 (04:50):
Oh, it's fiery.
SPEAKER_04 (04:51):
This is a piece of political gamesmanship that is
next level.
SPEAKER_02 (04:56):
I mean, I I have to say that no way, no how.
I mean, what this is what's sogreat is what all the comments
coming in, people are blamingKeller.
People are saying that Keller'sthis was his campaign, and then
other people are yelling at theother campaign uh that are
writing into us.
And I'm sitting here going, Areare you are Hold it?
SPEAKER_04 (05:14):
Else, can you pause it right there?
SPEAKER_02 (05:16):
That video neither one of these campaigns had
anything to do with this.
SPEAKER_04 (05:20):
Well, so what the great part is though, and I've
got to give Amy Borrella, thehead of the Republican Party in
New Mexico, credit.
She goes out there, and I knowshe knows better than this, but
it's so great, because she goesout there and accuses Keller of
the of just using the homelessas propaganda for for like a
yard sign.
It's like they're basicallywearing yard signs around.
SPEAKER_02 (05:39):
That's what people wrote to us too.
SPEAKER_04 (05:40):
And I think the the the and she knows this, but it's
it makes her statement evenfunnier because it's like she's
like, look at Keller.
I mean, just just taking thehomeless and cladding them in
Keller gear and they run around.
What a horrible thing for him todo.
And you know she's smiling thewhole time she's saying this
because this is not what TimKeller wants.
It's absolutely an unmitigateddisaster because everybody's
(06:01):
talking about it.
And the the absolute lunacy ofseeing hundreds of people around
wearing these things, it'scrazy.
Well, and to have the ability todo this and to get this many
people to wear it, it's absolutethe kind of gamesmanship this
is, it deserves a complete tipof the cap, sir.
Whoever handled it.
We may or may not know who thatis.
SPEAKER_02 (06:20):
Yeah, I have a feeling we kind of know who it
is, but I will say uhwholeheartedly, I can say with
full confidence, this hadnothing to do with Darren
White's campaign.
And the reason I know this sowell is because uh we know the
people that are working onDarren White's campaign, and
they won't spend a dime on anymarketing materials whatsoever,
let alone expensive sweatshirts.
SPEAKER_04 (06:39):
So we have it on good authority that Darren
White's campaign consultantwouldn't spend money on a yard
sign if his life depended on it.
So if you think he went aroundand had 200 sweatshirts printed.
SPEAKER_02 (06:57):
Oh, it's more than that.
SPEAKER_04 (06:58):
Whatever, 500 sweatshirts printed, which has
to be a solid 10 grand.
Yeah.
Okay.
There's no way that's happening.
Right.
I mean, this guy, you know, it'sJay.
He would never I mean.
SPEAKER_02 (07:12):
I mean, he says, he says, and I quote, uh, yard
signs don't win elections, sowhy would we spend money on it?
I I remember trying to getbumper stickers for your
campaign.
No.
Oh my gosh, we had to waitforever to get bumper stickers.
SPEAKER_04 (07:22):
Yeah, we got like the lesson.
SPEAKER_02 (07:23):
I was like, I'll go fundraise to get the bumper.
I'll sell the bumper stickersfor a quarter apiece.
Like, let me have them.
And so I'm telling you rightnow, it has nothing to do with
Darren White's campaign.
SPEAKER_04 (07:31):
No, it doesn't.
But it is a happy accident forthem.
Because they're looking at itgoing, all right.
SPEAKER_02 (07:36):
I think it's people that are frustrated with the
fact that the homelessness oftaking over downtown businesses,
everything, business owners arefed up.
So we definitely have who wethink it is, or we think it's
involved with it.
SPEAKER_04 (07:47):
If you're a cop and you're trying to narrow down the
list of business owners who weretrying to stick it to Tim
Keller, you'd be you as thedetective, you'd be like, the
list is 8,000 people long.
SPEAKER_08 (08:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (08:02):
How in the world am I gonna find out who did this?
I mean, plus, you look at thefact that that there's no tags
on them, no nothing.
SPEAKER_02 (08:09):
Nothing.
SPEAKER_04 (08:10):
Nothing.
I mean, this thing was thisthing was done with the
precision of a politicaloperation the likes we have
never seen in this state.
It's unbelievable.
SPEAKER_02 (08:19):
I think it I think it was actually super funny.
I mean, I'm sorry, but it was itwas really funny because the
last thing that Tim Keller wantsare pictures of homeless people
doing drugs, passed out, wearingsweatshirts that say I love Tim
Keller.
I mean, well, talk aboutsomething you don't want your
name attached to.
SPEAKER_04 (08:37):
Well, it's funny and it it's it's it's funny in the
in a political sense, but in theother political sense.
SPEAKER_02 (08:42):
I'm not saying make fun of homeless people.
I'm not saying that.
Don't get me wrong.
SPEAKER_04 (08:44):
No, no, no, no, I know, I know you're not at all.
I I totally get it.
But but but the thing is thatwhat's what's amazing about this
is finally we found somethingthat to to enrage Mayor Keller.
Because at this point, it seemslike he's just nothing seems to
I don't know, nothing seems tobother him at all.
It's no big deal that that wehave a homeless population of
suffering people, up to 5,000 inthe city right now.
(09:05):
That doesn't seem to get himworked up.
What gets him worked up is themactually wearing his gear.
So let's go ahead and justlisten to Channel 13 had their
debate, and we don't have muchon that, but we do have this
little this little clip fromChannel 13 where both candidates
respond to Sweatshirt Gate.
SPEAKER_12 (09:28):
Both parties accused each other of handing them out
to the homeless.
The Republican Party first sentout a statement saying, quote,
using the homeless as politicalpawns is a new low for Tim
Keller and shows just how tonedecked he is.
Tim Keller's campaign claimsDarren White supporters are
behind the sweatshirt sayingusing people experiencing
homelessness as political propsis disgraceful.
(09:50):
Mr.
White was one of your supportersbehind this.
We have not heard back from yourcampaign.
SPEAKER_08 (09:55):
Oh, I released the statement.
I no, I don't know who did it.
Um I have no idea.
I in fact, I saw it uh Wednesdayafternoon when I was driving uh
from the VA hospital.
I saw all the yellow shirts.
I didn't know what it said.
Um but no, listen, there issomebody obviously that is so a
citizen that is so frustratedwith your policies, Mayor, that
(10:16):
they use this as a means toexpress their frustration.
And and let me if we're gonnatalk about condemnation, he's
he's come out and said wewouldn't have to be able to do
that.
Please, let me respond, please.
He said that we need to, heneeds me to condemn this.
Mayor, if anybody should becondemned, it's you.
Because you have allowed thisproblem to get so bad that it is
(10:36):
destroying our city.
And let me just say this.
Instead of listen, I I meanclearly that this issue, this is
at the forefront.
And and instead of whining aboutcritics, why don't you do
something about the homelessproblem that would benefit our
city?
SPEAKER_12 (10:52):
Mr.
Keller, would you like torespond about the sweatshirts
this weekend?
SPEAKER_09 (10:56):
So, first, this is what we are doing every day.
Canning on sweatshirts.
And as I've said, we do addressdozens a week.
We may need Dean to step inhere.
So I do want to just come backto the idea that we have to be
(11:17):
both.
SPEAKER_04 (11:17):
See if Dean will step in.
SPEAKER_09 (11:19):
But Darren's answer is not that.
It is to arrest people.
And that is simply not anacceptable answer.
It's not the change you want,even if you're frustrated.
And the assumption is a goodidea.
We were asking about asweatshirt.
SPEAKER_07 (11:32):
Sure, we'd like to move on to the other.
SPEAKER_09 (11:44):
Let alone the homeless.
And that is what this is.
Someone is handing out thesesweaters, taking advantage of
the homeless, preying upon them.
It's gross, it's disgusting, andit's also not hard to condemn.
No one should do that.
It doesn't matter if somebody isdoing a good job or for in a
campaign or not.
No one should take advantage ofthe homeless for political gain.
And that's exactly what Darrenshould say.
SPEAKER_04 (12:05):
All right, so I want to I want to try something here
because this is this iscraziness, right?
It's a crazy story.
Uh, but uh, but I want to putthis into a more serious tone.
Okay.
Okay, for a quick second.
SPEAKER_02 (12:16):
I'll try to straighten out.
SPEAKER_04 (12:17):
I know, and we're gonna go back to unserious when
we go to the AI thing here injust a second.
SPEAKER_02 (12:20):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (12:20):
But but I I want to lay something out because it it
struck me watching uh Keller'sreaction, no one should be used
as a prop, his indignation andeverything else.
And that's that's fine.
I mean, he's quite performative,there's no doubt.
Uh, but here's what I started tothink about with the homeless
issue because I think it'ssomething that is heartbreaking.
Any way you look at it, you seewhat's happening.
And so what it made me thinkabout is it made me think about
(12:41):
Ella for a second.
Okay.
And I want to talk about theapproach to homelessness.
And Ella, you can come onto themic here just so you have a
voice in all this.
But I want you to view thehomelessness through the eyes of
how you would view it with yourown child.
So imagine if, for us, Ella ishomeless.
Ella?
Okay?
SPEAKER_12 (12:59):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (12:59):
Okay.
Ella is homeless.
So we look at how we would wantElla to be dealt with.
What it because if you watch theKeller ads, it's cruel to round
up homeless people andeverything else.
And as I thought about this, andI and I kept thinking about
Ella, thinking, if it was Ella,what would I want?
What would I do as a parent?
Which parent would I be?
Would I be the parent who says,Well, Ella's addicted.
(13:23):
What are you gonna do?
I mean, they they sleep wherethey sleep.
It's cruel to round them up,don't do that.
Or would I be the parent, and Iknow you would be the parent,
who would say, I will stop atnothing to get her help.
If it means involuntarilyputting her into treatment, do
it.
If it means arresting Ella toget her treatment, then do it.
(13:48):
And you say, How many timeswould you have to arrest her?
As many as it took, you wouldrelentlessly push to arrest or
to get into treatment first andforemost, because for most
homeless people, it ends indeath because it is all about
addiction.
And as a parent who truly cares,compassion is not saying, Yep,
(14:12):
that's what happens.
Compassion and caring is saying,I will stop at nothing to get
you help, and you're getting offthe street.
And so to me, as I look at this,it's been reversed.
Keller's trying to create thisworld where he's compassionate
by letting people rot on thestreets and die at numbers the
city has never seen before.
(14:32):
And that's compassion.
Meanwhile, Darren is scary andcruel because he wants to get
you into treatment, or you'regoing to get arrested until you
agree to go to treatment.
Right.
That to me is compassion.
If you're a parent and you thinkabout your child and you think
that's your child, what are yougoing to do?
You're going to do anything youcan to get them help.
And it is not about leaving themthere to rot.
(14:55):
And the emotion of this and thereversal of it is disgusting to
me.
I can't stand it.
And I think this is something weshould all get around to be able
to say leaving people on thestreet to contend with their
addiction, which ends in theirdeath, is not compassion.
It's vicious cruelty.
And I think the way this hasbeen reversed makes zero sense
(15:18):
to me.
So if you're you're voting andmaybe you haven't made a choice
yet who you're going to votefor, think about if your child
was on that street, who wouldyou want?
Would you want the person whosays, You're coming with me,
brother, you're getting help.
And you may not want it.
I know you're addicted and Iknow your brain is not doing
what it should do.
And it is in the throes ofaddiction.
So we're going to force you intohelp.
(15:38):
And I'm sorry that it's going tobe hard.
And maybe we do it 20 times.
Maybe we address uh arrest you20 times before you finally say,
I'm going to treatment.
If that's what it takes, thenone day the person who took you
on that 21st time will be anangel to you and not someone of
cruelty.
SPEAKER_02 (15:56):
So what's interesting is yes, for
starters, I would have I wouldbe the one that was landing my
helicopter every day because I'ma helicopter mom, as you know.
So I would definitely be onthat.
But it, you know, it is aninteresting story in my life
group out in LA.
When I lived in LA, I had aBible study group and there was
a guy that we, that some of thepeople in my life group knew who
was living on the streets andwas homeless for three and a
half plus years, something likethat.
(16:17):
Definitely addicted.
And we would try to go, we'dmake our lunches for these for
the homeless.
We'd go to the park, we'd handout our lunch sacks, and we
would try to find him.
And that was this goal becausethis was one of the we had all
had our own personal missiontrips kind of that we had
planned, mission trips meaninglike things we could do locally.
And this was one of our membersin our life group's idea.
So we kept going out until wefound him.
(16:39):
Okay.
The first time he was like, no,no, no, I don't want to have
anything to do with you guys.
We kept finding, we found hislocation so we could go back to
that same park.
When we finally got him intotreatment, which by the way, not
easy to do, not easy to convincehim at all.
And especially LA has nicerweather than even we do.
So talk about he wasn't freezingat night, none of those things,
right?
When he finally got cleaned up,which took a long time, by the
(17:00):
way, it did take a long time.
The full story of this, the fullcircle moment is he ended up
coming to our life groupafterwards and joining our
group, right?
And then he joined us in this.
Yeah, it was amazing.
But he what he said was listen,you're so out of your mind on
drugs and your life.
I mean, he goes, I was likeevery night I was trying not to
get stabbed or hurt or anything,but I would never have willingly
(17:21):
wanted to go to get treatmentbecause my mind was so messed up
that I was thinking, this is abetter life for me.
I don't have to work, nobody'syelling at me.
I can do the drugs that I want,I can drink what I want, I can
do whatever I want, I canpanhandle and I have enough
money to get by.
He said, if it had not been forcontinued force basically by
people who loved him to get himinto treatment, he would never
(17:42):
have seen the light and givenhis heart to Christ and kind of
had that renewal of energy.
And now he's been a witness toother homeless people for, I
mean, we did this 18 years ago.
So he's been out there, youknow, for the last 15 years or
so doing the same kind ofmission work.
So I'm just I'm saying that likeyou're absolutely right.
And trust me, when it's outthere, you're like, you just
(18:03):
want to feed them, right?
Because your heart, especiallyif you're a mom, right?
You're like, oh, I just want tofeed these guys or give them a
bath or give them a blanket orbuy them a cup of coffee,
whatever.
You kind of go to that.
But then the reverse side isit's just like parenting in a
lot of ways.
SPEAKER_04 (18:15):
It's enabling.
SPEAKER_02 (18:16):
Yeah, you can't enable your kid to make bad
decisions because it's hard tobe a parent, right?
Because sometimes it just sucksto be a parent and you got to be
the bad guy.
And out of our, you know, out ofus, we both tag team on the bad
guy.
Sometimes you're the bad guy,sometimes I'm the bad guy.
No, and I think that that isit's a really interesting, it's
a great story too, but no, it'svery true.
SPEAKER_04 (18:34):
It's a very, it's a it's a really good story.
And I just can't stand theargument that somehow it's
compassionate to let someonejust rot on the street.
And and he's more upset aboutsomeone wearing out a hoodie
than wearing out their veinswith fentanyl.
It's unreal to me.
And so that and that's one partof it.
Then the other part of it is, ofcourse, you we owe everybody in
this city a clean city free ofpeople sleeping on the streets.
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I mean, that's another, that'sanother huge part of this.
But but there is no part of itin which compassion falls on the
side of watching people sleep onthe streets.
Sorry, you're not compassionate.
You don't care.
Like if you're watching that,you don't care.
Now, there's a bunch ofdifferent solutions to this.
There's no doubt.
There's a bunch of those thatcan happen.
But there's one thing that'sundeniable.
When Mayor Keller came intooffice, we had a third of the
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homeless that we have now.
We are attracting them for somereason, right?
Because if you make somethingattractive and you let people do
what they want to do, you'regonna, it's gonna be a magnet.
Right.
And so you're a magnet not forcompassion, but you are a magnet
for suffering.
Yeah.
Because you're just going tocontinue to increase their
ability to what is basicallyamounting to a slow motion
(19:44):
suicide attempt.
SPEAKER_02 (19:45):
Yeah.
And thinking that all thesepeople are from here is also not
true.
Like we're just we're creatingan environment that is
welcoming, like you just said.
Yeah.
Okay, so let's take a little,uh, let's lighten it up a little
bit because this is actually,you know, it's kind of, I mean,
this was not around when youran.
I can't imagine the AI videos ifthey were around when you ran.
SPEAKER_04 (20:03):
Oh, yeah, they take your voice, right?
And they put it through AI.
Oh, oh, and this is um, this is,I will say, the writing on this
is pretty solid.
You know, it's interesting.
There's some AI things you watchand you just kind of go, ugh,
and you kind of roll your eyes.
Yeah.
If you watch this, it is ratheramusing.
And and we'll we'll get into thedetails, but it this is a couple
of minutes long.
But this is, at least accordingto AI, Tim Keller and one of his
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latest campaign videos, or maybenot.
SPEAKER_10 (20:32):
Albuquerque.
My city, my esotericmasterpiece.
People say the streets aredangerous, but I traverse them
daily.
Well, I drive through withsecurity, windows open, doors
locked.
But spiritually, I'm out there.
You see tents, I see rusticopen-air innovation labs, you
(20:52):
see carjackings, I seespontaneous, community-led
vehicle redistribution.
It's all about reframing throughan esoteric lens of progress.
I'm not hiding behind a fancydesk.
I'm in front of murals I didn'tpay for, looking visionary while
pointing at spray paint.
They say Albuquerque is fallingapart.
I say it's undergoing anesoteric transformation.
(21:15):
Entropy is just step one on theroad to progress.
Downtown?
Still physically present.
That counts.
Yes, business is left, butthat's the invisible hand of
revitalization, clearing spacefor plywood, pop-ups, and
prophetic chalk art.
From the sacred heat ripples ofSan Mateo and Central to the
enlightened shouts of, heyKeller from across Zuni, this
(21:38):
city speaks my name, sometimesaggressively, with hand gestures
or blunt objects.
But love is love.
I'm not just your mayor, I'myour vibe curator, your
spiritual concierge ofpostmodern urban decay.
This is not dysfunction.
This is high-level esotericgovernance.
So next time you step overbiohazards or hear the gentle
(21:59):
hum of a sawzall under yourHyundai, pause.
Breathe it in.
That's the aroma of rawprogress.
Under Tim Killer, you're notjust surviving, you're
participating in an unfoldingesoteric blueprint.
And if you don't get it, that'son you.
I'm not here to solve problems.
I'm here to tweet, deflect, anddouble down.
(22:20):
Because I'm Tim Killer and Ihave no idea what I'm doing.
But I do have a commemorativecoin and a film crew.
You're welcome, Albuquerque.
Now shut up and vote for meagain.
SPEAKER_04 (22:31):
Okay, so what's interesting about this is first
of all, not uh now, I don't knowwho wrote it or how how it all
went down, but the writing is isamusing.
But what this starts to show isthere's really, and I think
increasingly now in politicalcampaigns, you have two
different campaigns going on.
You you have the main campaign,right, where you see a lot of
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the channels of communication gothrough either direct digital
back and forth, like in otherwords, campaign ads, or you see
the media and when they decideto do anything, uh, they'll
they'll be a factor and you'llhear it through those main
channels.
And then there's thatundercurrent channel, the
channel of memes or the channelof things like AI and doing
things like that is all gonna bea factor going forward here.
(23:16):
And stuff like this will startto you know gain more momentum
and things of that nature.
So this is definitely somethingto get used to because it's
gonna keep going.
SPEAKER_02 (23:23):
It will keep going.
I mean, and it's I mean, it I Iwonder what he thinks of it.
I wonder what Tim Keller thinksof that.
SPEAKER_04 (23:29):
I wonder if he's like I doubt he's amused.
SPEAKER_02 (23:32):
Oh, you sure?
SPEAKER_04 (23:33):
Yeah, yeah.
Probably doesn't think it'sgreat.
SPEAKER_02 (23:35):
No, probably not, but it was witty, it's witty
writing.
SPEAKER_04 (23:38):
Well, it's well the problem, these things write
themselves.
I mean, that's that's thereality of it.
SPEAKER_02 (23:42):
It's frightening in a lot of ways because it can be
very trick or you know, verytricky.
Um trying to figure out whatstuff.
But okay, let's move on fromthis and let's uh let's talk
about some of the things.
SPEAKER_04 (23:50):
Oh, by the way, right voting though will
continue through Saturday, isit?
SPEAKER_02 (23:53):
And then we go to the city voting, early voting
goes through Saturday.
Yeah.
And then um main voting formayor and some of the city
council seats that are still twoof them are still up for uh a
runoff, uh is uh actually on theninth, is the actual yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (24:07):
It's gotta be Tuesday.
Yep, yep.
Absolutely.
Fantastic.
Okay.
Okay.
All right, I want to movenational now, and we're gonna go
to Mark Kelly, who's been in thenews a lot.
He was one of the guys who wentout and told our military, hey,
you know, follow whatever ordersyou think you need to.
SPEAKER_02 (24:21):
And so that was he's been in the press lately uh for
making his own judgment calls.
SPEAKER_04 (24:25):
Yes, yeah, make your own call, make your own call.
That's how the military works.
SPEAKER_02 (24:28):
Yeah, because that's what it is.
It's a free-for-all.
You don't, there's no command.
Yeah, exactly right.
SPEAKER_04 (24:33):
You're exactly right.
And so part of the reason he wason Meet the Press this past week
was because of that, right?
Right.
And then they asked him aquestion about what's going on
and why is the Trumpadministration pulled back on
third world countries and said,wait a minute, we have to vet
everybody.
We have to do this.
We cannot continue just to letcountries, you know, people flow
in here without knowing who theyare, right?
(24:54):
And so Mark Kelly goes for thelowest common denominator.
And why I think it's gonna bebrutal going forward to try to
reach any sort of bipartisanunderstanding of protecting this
country.
So listen to where Kelly goeswith this.
SPEAKER_11 (25:10):
Secretaries say that they're gonna pause immigration
from third world countries.
I mean, I I take that as amessage that they don't want
brown people coming to theUnited States.
And I find that disturbing.
Uh we are a country that havehas always welcomed individuals
that are struggling, that arefleeing famine and violence.
(25:34):
And it would be a fundamentalchange to the fabric of our
nation to change that.
SPEAKER_04 (25:39):
No, a fundamental change to the fabric of this
country is not to have bordersanymore and not to have any sort
of vetting process to know who'scoming into this country.
That's the fundamental change,which they ushered in five years
ago, right?
They ushered it in.
It's the reason they don't havea democratic president anymore,
is because he ushered insomething that the American
people said, What are you doing?
And even his own party said,What is going on here?
(26:01):
And now he's going back to thelowest common denominator again.
Oh, they're all racist.
Yeah.
It's this is really the sort ofthing that is completely
destructive.
And he's pathetic.
And I think you see what he whenhe does stuff like this, it's
because he has no unique ideas.
He has no ability to separatehimself and to present a cogent
(26:23):
vision for what this countryshould be from his side.
And so this sort of thing isleading to issues.
And you start wondering why.
And you say, how do we end upwith a situation like we got in
Minnesota?
Yeah.
Right?
Like, how do we get there?
We get there because we havedishonest brokers who won't call
things out and say, I'm gonnahold everybody accountable.
I'm gonna answer to the Americanpeople first, not I'm gonna
(26:46):
answer to let's take a fullpolitical ideology and shove it
down someone's throat.
And before they realize what'shappened, it's too late for them
to do anything about it.
SPEAKER_02 (26:55):
Yeah.
So here's this headline thatcame out.
Um, I believe this is the NewYork Times.
Yeah.
Um, and this says how fraudswamp Minnesota's social
services system on Tim Waltz iswatched.
Prosecutors say members of theSomali diaspora, a group with
growing political power, werelargely responsible.
President Trump has drawnnational attention to the
scandal amid his crackdown onimmigration.
SPEAKER_04 (27:15):
Okay, so we're not gonna go through the whole New
York Times article here, but butthe point being in all this,
political power, meaning afraidto stand up to a group who they
don't want to cross, right?
And so you go back to Kelly'scomments and you start you start
mixing that with what's happenedin Minnesota and the fact that
you have a massive Somalicommunity.
(27:36):
Now, many of them have nothingto do with this, but obviously
plenty do, and they ripped offthe state to the tune of a
billion dollars.
Yeah.
And you can't get to that unlessyou have a governor or people
all the way down through thestructure of government in the
state of Minnesota that clearlyturn a blind eye.
SPEAKER_02 (27:56):
Yeah, or you have no idea what your state budget is.
I mean, that's the other thing,too, is like maybe you have no
idea what your budget is.
I mean, I doubt it.
SPEAKER_04 (28:04):
They clearly have the budget, but they they have a
balanced budget amendment.
They don't have a choice, right?
SPEAKER_02 (28:08):
Right, but I'm telling you, you get a billion
dollars in charges and thatdoesn't shoot up a red flag.
SPEAKER_04 (28:12):
Oh, it's it's it's unreal, right?
And you see these things and youknow on the ground, uh, there's
no way someone rips off thestate of New Mexico for a
billion dollars without ushaving some idea of what the
heck is going on.
Yeah, exactly.
Right, and so it's craziness.
So anyway, now everybody'sjumping on it, right?
And NBC News had Tim Wals on,and so she asked him the
(28:34):
question on Meet the Press.
SPEAKER_01 (28:47):
As you know, governor, that is more than
Minnesota spends uh each year torun its Department of
Corrections.
So I think he doesn't know that.
Do you take responsibility forfailing to stop this fraud in
your state?
SPEAKER_03 (29:01):
Well, certainly I take responsibility for putting
people in jail.
Governors don't get to uh justtalk theoretically.
We have to solve problems.
And I will note it's not justSomalis.
Minnesota is a generous state,Minnesota's a prosperous day, a
well-run state where AAA bondrated, but that attracts
criminals.
Those people are going to jail.
We're doing everything we can,but to demonize an entire
(29:22):
community on the actions of afew, um, it's lazy.
SPEAKER_04 (29:26):
No, what's lazy is you not enforcing the laws and
watching the money in yourstate.
See, if you had done your jobinitially, there wouldn't this
be happening.
This wouldn't be a stain on theSomali community because you
would have gone after the peopleright away who were doing this
and thrown them in jail whenthey tried to rip you off for a
hundred thousand versus ahundred million or a billion.
Right.
But he doesn't do any of thatand immediately shifts the focus
(29:49):
and says, Yeah, there are othercriminals here too.
It's not just the Somalis.
And you're like, What?
SPEAKER_02 (29:54):
Well, then he also deflected and blamed Trump,
right?
So then it's like, well, okay,you've got the federal
government now coming.
Coming in to try to save the dayin that state.
Yeah.
So it's like, you know, littleTimmy doesn't know what he's
doing.
I'm sorry, but like if if you'reif people are blasting through a
billion dollars in taxpayermoney for fraud and you're not
sniffing that or seeing that redflag, something tells me you're
(30:16):
not in the right position.
SPEAKER_04 (30:18):
Well, no, you didn't want to see it.
You didn't want to see it.
You're like, where is it?
I can't see it.
I can't see it.
Where is it?
Where is it?
I mean, come on.
This is crazy.
So now the White House islighting him up.
SPEAKER_02 (30:28):
As they should.
So let's take a little, let'stake a little bit, a little look
at Caroline Levitt, just alittle press conference that she
gave on this.
SPEAKER_06 (30:36):
Somali immigrants in Minnesota have been ripping off
American taxpayers.
In fact, 86 people have beencharged in a rampant and
widespread fraud scheme spanningmultiple programs in Minnesota.
Of those 86, 78 of those peopleare Somali, 91% of them charged.
So far, 59 of those people havebeen convicted for their roles
(30:58):
in fraud plots that have stolen$1 billion from taxpayers.
In one scheme, and this isegregious, a nonprofit and its
affiliates with these Somalimigrants claimed to have fed
tens of thousands of Americanchildren during the pandemic.
They were reimbursed for thosemeals during the by taxpayers.
However, federal prosecutorsfound that almost all of those
(31:21):
meals were never even deliveredto hungry children.
In fact, those organizations'leaders spent the money on
houses, luxury cars, and realestate in Turkey and Kenya.
SPEAKER_04 (31:32):
Okay.
So the point being in all ofthis is that when you look at
the American taxpayer, in thisparticular case in Minnesota,
and you see their frustrationthat wait a minute, what are we
doing?
Who in our leadership is goingto make a priority caring for
the American people?
I mean, it's that simple.
And you're not trying to targetanybody, but what you're trying
(31:52):
to do is make sure that nobody'sripping off the people who go to
work every day and bust theirbutts.
And now you you have leaders whocare so little about you that
they would rather take thepolitical expediency of not
upsetting a constituency versusletting you get ripped off.
And it it absolutely, we havepeople who have no business in
(32:13):
leadership.
And another example is Waltz.
I mean, I this guy is un nowwe'll see what happens in
Minnesota.
It's Minnesota's an interestingstate, definitely a a bluer
state, no doubt, but it's not soblue that this isn't gonna be a
huge issue for him.
I can't imagine him gettingre-elected, but then again, in
this year, it could be a bigyear for Democrats in 2026.
(32:34):
So he's gonna run again.
I think a third time.
A third time.
SPEAKER_02 (32:36):
Well, I heard I heard he was still gonna maybe
throw his hat in on theDemocratic Party side to run
again and as president.
SPEAKER_04 (32:41):
Well, it doesn't matter.
He'd run for uh he'd run forgovernor again.
He'd he'd get elected governoragain.
No, no question both.
He'll live together.
No, it's 28, is thepresidential.
So he would be he'd be elected.
SPEAKER_02 (32:51):
Oh, the governor's race is before that.
SPEAKER_04 (32:53):
Yeah, it's in 26, right.
So he the way he would look atit is I got a chance to keep a
job going here, and then I candetermine.
I guarantee you that's whathe'll do.
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02 (32:59):
He'll absolutely that's why he's also worried
about voters right now, with himlike coming out too strong
against this fraud.
Well, heaven forbid he's a goodthing.
SPEAKER_04 (33:08):
Well, it is it's a it's a voting constituency,
right?
And you it's the last thing youwant to see as your as your
leaders buckle to aconstituency, you know, it and
say, you know what?
I'm not gonna look out for thetaxpayer.
I'm not gonna do it.
I'm just gonna let this go on.
It it just is it's unreal.
It's crazy.
SPEAKER_02 (33:23):
Yeah, okay.
Well, some good news, because welike to sprinkle in a little bit
of good news uh for GivingTuesday.
Trump did announce this uh newedition of the Trump accounts,
which he had mentioned before.
Yeah, like this has been laidout kind of a couple of months
ago, I believe.
It first kind of um came out.
Well, he he announced today thatthat basically Michael Dell and
his wife Susan are gonna bedonating this crazy amount of
(33:44):
money, very impressive amount ofmoney.
Um, it's like six billiondollars, if I am correct, I
believe so.
SPEAKER_04 (33:50):
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (33:51):
Um, to two to ten year olds, right?
It's it's basically Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (33:55):
So the Trump deal will cover newborns, basically.
I think it's a couple years.
So we'll we'll start with Trumptalking about that, and then
yeah, and then the Dells kind ofbackfill it after that, which is
interesting.
So we'll get into that.
But here's Trump talking aboutwhat the Trump accounts will do
for newborns here over the nextcouple of years.
(34:38):
Okay.
So what is what does this mean?
Well, as far as what you getfrom the Trump account, uh,
first of all, it's a thousanddollars, but then you don't get
access to it right away.
Okay, this is not and I saw someRepublicans saying, well, we
don't, I don't like this.
This is welfare.
And no, I think this is actuallysmart and it's different, right?
In other words, you put it intoaccount, you don't get access to
it until at the earliest 18years of age.
(35:00):
And you can use it for alldifferent sorts of things,
education, all different sortsof things like that.
And lower income families wouldwould get some other potential
contributions to that.
But overall, it would allow itto grow and it would show kids a
little bit of how the bankingsystem works, actually, which
could be really beneficial here,and it would allow them over
time to develop an account whichthey could use as they get
(35:22):
older.
This is much different than justa quick$500 here or$500 there.
Watching this thing grow isinteresting.
And when Michael Dell talkedabout it, it was interesting
too, because their program isgoing to be a little bit
different, which we'll get to ina second.
But he talked about the factthat when you look at what
happens with compoundinginterest, which is interesting
when you get two big businesspeople together and you're like,
hey, we should talk aboutcompound interest with people.
(35:44):
I mean, they should know becauseit's it's an incredible wealth
builder.
SPEAKER_02 (35:47):
Right.
So let's take a listen to whathe has to say about this.
SPEAKER_07 (35:50):
Susan and I are super excited to announce our
$6.25 billion gift to 25 millionAmerican children, uh, 10 and
under, and our gift will covermost of the children that are 10
and under that are not part ofthe federal program, uh, the the
zero to two-year-olds, and whoalso live in zip codes where the
(36:14):
median income is$150,000 orless.
And uh I have spoken with anumber of other uh wealthy
Americans, philanthropists, andwe are confident that others
will join us because uh we allunderstand the incredible impact
that a gift like this can haveon the lives of young Americans.
(36:38):
So again, it's a great honor forus to be here to be able to
announce this.
You know, when I was uh eightyears old, I got a Passbook
savings account and I had uh, Ithink about eight dollars in it.
And you go to the savings loanand you'd give them a quarter
and they'd stamp your account,and I got to see the power of
compound interest early in mylife.
(37:00):
And that has brought me here tothis moment, and hopefully uh
will inspire uh that kind ofopportunity for for other kids.
SPEAKER_02 (37:11):
Yeah, I think that got cut off.
But yeah, I think it'sinteresting.
It reminds me in some ways, Iknow it's not quite as
elaborate.
This is much more elaboratebecause they're gonna actually
partner with like uh you know,private sector basically to help
you're gonna follow the stockmarket basically to help grow
this money.
But I remember my grandparentsway back in the day would give
me a bond.
Yeah.
And so that bond, you did notcash the bond, right?
(37:33):
So the bond was given to youlike as a five-year-old or
six-year-old on your birthday orwhatever.
And and I don't remember exactlyhow it works.
I just know that I didn't touchthat money until I went to
college.
Yeah.
And it was worth more than whatit they had paid paid for it.
So I just remember those times.
I mean, you never hear of peoplegiving each other bonds anymore.
I don't even know if they dothat anymore.
But yeah, how I mean, but that'sthat's how old I am.
(37:54):
Is that that's what mygrandparents gave me for a
while?
SPEAKER_04 (37:56):
No, no, and but this makes a lot of sense.
I mean, in in the Dell plan towill give$250 per child.
So it won't be as high as whatthe federal government plan is,
but still you can use it, watchit grow over time.
It just, I just really like thissort of thing.
And I think when, you know, Isee some people on the right,
they're just like, I don't likeit, and whatever else.
It it it absolutely, this is thekind of thing that makes more
(38:17):
sense.
And I guarantee you, you'regonna get kids who are gonna get
into this, they're gonna watchit grow, and and they're gonna
start to figure out what's goingon with some of this stuff.
And I think you're gonna buildover time a lot more literacy
amongst our children with moneythan you would have without it.
So I do like it.
SPEAKER_02 (38:34):
I think it's a- I like I actually just read an
article the other day about howthere's a big spike in teenagers
today that are more interestedin in kind of playing the stock
market.
So they're they're investing uma little bit of money and
they're paying attention to itbecause they're they're just
wanting to see how it goes, youknow?
And so it's interesting to seethat that if there's some
interest with that.
I mean, we played that game whenI was in like eighth grade where
(38:56):
you were given fake money andyou had to grow your stocks.
SPEAKER_04 (38:59):
Absolutely, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (39:00):
In in, I think, I don't even know what class it
was, economics or something.
SPEAKER_04 (39:02):
I think it was, yeah.
I remember buying Hilton hotelsand making nothing.
SPEAKER_02 (39:06):
Do they do they even have an economics class in
public schooling?
SPEAKER_04 (39:08):
Well, no, they're trying, no, there, and there are
a lot of schools, and in somecases, there's definitely been a
push in the legislature to havean economics class or a class
that talks about basicallyunderstanding how economics
works and in in an everydaysense, right?
Which makes a tremendous amountof stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (39:24):
Yeah, I mean, we have a budget management class
at our school, at our thehighest schools high school.
Yeah, so it's definitely good.
Okay, I know that uh people weresad that we did not have game
camera footage last weekend.
We got some comments.
SPEAKER_04 (39:34):
Yeah, I've got fresh, I by the way, I've got
fresh stuff for this nextSunday.
SPEAKER_02 (39:37):
Because we didn't have as much video, right?
I think you have a couple ofgood things that you're gonna
share this upcoming weekend.
SPEAKER_04 (39:41):
Yeah, no, you're right.
We've seen a you've seen thingsback down a little bit.
SPEAKER_02 (39:45):
I think this is my theory.
Hunting season and winter.
Those bears are like, time forme to go take a nap.
SPEAKER_04 (39:50):
Yeah, I definitely think you're right on the
winter.
SPEAKER_02 (39:52):
Oh, and I'm just so sad that those bears are off.
Well, they're snoozing.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, they've had a littlebears went off to find their
little uh porridge and theirlittle point.
I'm fine with that.
I'm right, I'm fine with that.
But in in the spirit of uh somesort of animal story.
SPEAKER_04 (40:06):
Yes, it's just this is an also an animal story, is
what you're saying.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (40:09):
This is also an animal story.
Okay, I like that.
That is my transition.
You're welcome.
Well done.
And also because we have our ownstory um about um this this
particular kind of bird.
SPEAKER_04 (40:19):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (40:20):
Okay.
Okay.
It's an albatross story.
Okay.
Okay.
So take this, take a look atthis.
Record-breaking 75-year-oldmother bird prepares to nest.
Okay.
Oh my goodness.
This is the albatross.
Do you remember the albatross inHawaii?
SPEAKER_04 (40:31):
I do.
SPEAKER_02 (40:32):
Okay.
Where we didn't understand thatthe albatross sit there after
they're born for a year waitingfor their mothers to bring them
food back.
Remember that?
SPEAKER_04 (40:38):
Well, uh, yeah, something like that.
SPEAKER_02 (40:40):
Yeah, they wait a year, a week, a year.
Ava turnt looked it all up andeverything.
She like nerded out on the wholething.
SPEAKER_04 (40:46):
Yeah, I was sitting right outside where we're
staying, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (40:49):
Yeah, and we wanted to give it food and stuff, and
she's like, Don't give itanything, don't give it
anything.
They they sit there, they wait.
SPEAKER_04 (40:54):
All the neighbors knew, and this was So it wasn't
a good idea if we tried to bringit some of the Costco sashimi
that we got from Costco thismorning.
SPEAKER_02 (41:00):
I'm not gonna say who tried to do that.
Yeah, I'm not gonna say thateither.
And it wasn't me.
So there's that.
Anyway, yeah, no, they don'tthey don't want your sushi.
They want to wait for theirmother to bring them food back.
So okay, but look at this.
Just take check this little birdout, right?
Yeah.
So basically, it's in Hawaiiagain.
And this is since 1956, thiswildlife biologist has first
identified and banded this birdthey named Wisdom after she laid
(41:23):
one egg.
Okay.
Since then, wisdom has producedan estimated 50 to 60 eggs, and
as many as 30 chicks havefledged in her lifetime.
Last year, wisdom became theworld's oldest known wild bird
to successfully lay an egg atthe estimated age of 74.
She has arrived back in Hawaii.
Okay, and she is currentlyawaiting her mate.
And they mate with I under myunderstanding is they mate with
(41:45):
the same mate every time.
SPEAKER_04 (41:47):
Whoa, so we got a 75-year-old guy with her?
SPEAKER_02 (41:50):
Uh, well, I don't know if he's her original mate.
SPEAKER_04 (41:52):
Like, you're saying she's like the black widow.
She's like got a ton ofdifferent.
SPEAKER_02 (42:00):
Well, I don't know, but they say that they do mate
with the same, the same mate.
So maybe maybe he's 75 yearsold.
SPEAKER_04 (42:06):
Yeah, he's like, My gosh, I'm just tired.
SPEAKER_02 (42:08):
I don't know.
I I think it's a fascinatingbird.
Double.
The fact that they go and theylay one egg, and I don't know,
remember how long they sit onthe egg.
I should have done moreresearch.
I apologize, people.
But they sit on the egg for along time.
And then when that baby ishatched, mom flies away for a
year, up to a year, is what weread, what Ava read, and then
they bring them back food.
And that's when they first eat.
And then and then that birdfollows mom.
SPEAKER_04 (42:30):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (42:30):
At that point.
unknown (42:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (42:32):
And so it's crazy.
That bird's crazy.
It's amazing.
It really is amazing.
They are amazing.
SPEAKER_04 (42:36):
And they're very, they're beautiful birds, too.
It's cool.
SPEAKER_02 (42:39):
Oh, they're huge.
SPEAKER_04 (42:40):
Yeah, they are big.
They're bigger than they lookthere.
SPEAKER_02 (42:41):
Yeah, they're a big bird.
So you definitely notice it withsitting in your yard.
SPEAKER_04 (42:45):
Yeah, it's a real albatross when you're yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (42:47):
It's a real albatross.
SPEAKER_04 (42:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (42:48):
Okay.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
We'll have uh last minutedetails on the mayor's race.
We're seeing it through to theend.
SPEAKER_02 (43:18):
Of course.
SPEAKER_04 (43:18):
I'm hearing rumors that there could be something
interesting coming down that theshow could get a hold of.
SPEAKER_02 (43:24):
Oh.
SPEAKER_04 (43:24):
Could be huge, but it also could totally fall
apart.
SPEAKER_02 (43:27):
Okay.
So that's my tease for you.
Wow, that's quite a tease,people.
So we may or may not haveinteresting details for you as
it pertains to the mayor's racecoming up on uh Sunday show.
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