Episode 248: Friendly Fire! Dems Go At Each Other Over Crime!

Headlines say crime is down. Our streets say otherwise. We open with a stark clash between New Mexico’s governor and Albuquerque’s mayor over a $7M National Guard deployment that was supposed to clean up Central Avenue. The state says there was “lax engagement” from city leadership and no sustained impact; APD’s chief concedes Central “looks the same,” insisting effort isn’t the issue. We sift what actually happened, why metrics were thin, and what residents observe daily: encampments, open-air dealing, and little proactive policing.

From there we follow the numbers. The Bernalillo County Sheriff’s Operation Route 66 made 640 arrests since February, yet court outcomes show defendants repeatedly released pretrial, many missing hearings and sliding into active warrants. We spotlight repeat arrestees to illustrate how catch-and-release undermines officers, communities, and confidence in the system. The core ask is simple: make our neighborhoods safe enough for kids to play outside again.

We widen the lens to national policy and immigration vetting. Sovereign countries set standards for who enters and why; ignoring that during mass migration surges invites risk we can’t measure or manage. We argue for robust, lawful screening while refusing dehumanizing rhetoric. Then we pivot to the statehouse: as the Clear Horizons Act pushes net-zero targets into law, we challenge lawmakers to prioritize first-order needs—juvenile justice, pretrial detention, economic relief—before piling on mandates that drive up energy costs and strain low-income families.

To close, we examine a rift among conservative media voices over Israel and truth-telling, urging integrity over clout. A lighter final act brings a massive Colorado wildlife crossing that animals haven’t adopted yet, Wyoming winds strong enough to tip train cars, and Philip Rivers’ unexpected NFL comeback—a reminder that courage sometimes means saying yes when the safe answer is no.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_08 (00:07):
Alright, closing in on Christmas Week.
We were gonna do one show, justkind of a little holiday show,
and then so much news piled up.
Something I was shocked to see.
Uh so we had to do a normalshow, and then we'll do a little
Christmas show a little later inthe week.

SPEAKER_06 (00:22):
Yes.
Yes.
Yes, that will be the plan.
Um it's been a busy week.
I I've also come down with alittle bit of a cold.
I just I take this greatimmunity stuff.
I forgot to take it for a week.

SPEAKER_07 (00:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (00:33):
And then uh it's rolling.
So I'm gonna do my best, people,but uh I might be sneezing a
little bit through the show.

SPEAKER_08 (00:39):
Okay, well, you've had some other hiccups as well.

SPEAKER_06 (00:41):
Yeah, it's been a it's been a challenging week.
My dad passed away on Tuesday.
Uh it was not unexpected becausehe had been in memory care.
So we were expecting him to passbefore the end of the year is
kind of what we've been warnedabout.
Uh, but yeah, it's still justit's crazy.
My parents split up 50 yearsago.
Yeah.
And they both died within about65 days of each other.

SPEAKER_08 (00:59):
It's really yeah, they had to get together again
up in heaven.

SPEAKER_06 (01:02):
I mean, I was wondering, that was literally
what I wrote my brother.
I'm like, so does mom like meethim there?
And does she have some choicewords?
Are they all getting along now?
Like how does that go?
Or does it be like?

SPEAKER_08 (01:13):
Jesus is not allowing your mom to go over to
home, you know, going around andstraightening him out.

SPEAKER_06 (01:18):
But maybe she doesn't.
Maybe maybe you get to heavenand all those bygones are
bygones.
I don't I would think so.
I would hope so.
Or maybe Jesus is like, I'mgonna protect you from uh
Christian's mom.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:28):
So you can just listen, Jesus is like, you two
are it's spicy.

SPEAKER_06 (01:33):
You know, dad goes over here, my mom's been over in
her little uh riverfront uhmountain home, is what we've
been talking about.

SPEAKER_07 (01:39):
Very true.

SPEAKER_06 (01:39):
So anyway, yeah, it's been kind of uh, you know,
we make light of it, obviously.
For those of you that have lostyour parents, you know that it's
never an easy transition,especially around Christmas.
So uh we will be traveling up toColorado for his funeral um that
will take place next Saturday.
So we will not have a a Sundayshow next week.

SPEAKER_08 (01:56):
Yeah, no, definitely not.
Yeah, we'll be after the firstof the year.

SPEAKER_06 (01:59):
Yeah, but we're gonna do a Christmas show after
this.
So lighten things up.
So you'll have that to lookforward to.
That will drop on Wednesday.
But for now, we have a lot goingon.
So of course, Mark is like, wegotta do a real show.
Uh, so let's get to it.

SPEAKER_08 (02:12):
Yeah, we're gonna get to it.
I'm not gonna give you a rundownof everything.
We're just gonna go.
Oh, okay.
Well, it's just gonna hop rightin.

SPEAKER_07 (02:17):
Okay.

SPEAKER_08 (02:17):
Okay.
Uh, the governor has come outand she is absolutely skewing
the mayor.
Okay, the mayor of Albuquerqueis being skewed by the governor.
And you know, look, here's thedeal: the the election goes and
passes, and then all of thiscomes out.
So this is not lost on me.
You see these details start tocome out and you kind of shake
your head, which is powerprotecting power, and then they

(02:39):
unload on each other once theelection is over with.
Okay, which I think this stuffwould have been very valuable to
know for voters going into theelection.
Would it have mattered?
I don't know.
But the headline in the journalon Saturday, I believe, was this
governor slams Albuquerqueleaders, meaning Tim Keller,
over the results of the NationalGuard help.
Police say crime fell during thedeployment.

(03:00):
Okay, this is a convolutedheadline.
Yeah, I'm confused by it.
They love to just, you know,take a headline and neuter the
story with it.
But the story is absolutelyunbelievable.
So we'll have you start withsome of the basics here.
And then some of these quotes,they're they're unbelievable.
I mean, the governor justbasically completely takes the
gloves off and says, You'reincompetent.

(03:21):
This is terrible.
She hammers him for this.
And so we'll we'll just listento, you know, the basic setup
first, then we'll get into thedetails.

SPEAKER_06 (03:29):
The governor in April agreed to authorize a
deployment in response toongoing public safety challenges
in the city, particularly alongthe Central Avenue corridor and
other specific areas, accordingto her April 8th order, which
was reportedly prompted at therequest of APD Chief Harold
Medina.
Quote, the emergency requestfrom APD Cities uh sites.

(03:49):
Sites, oh sorry, sites, thefentanyl epidemic, and rising
violent juvenile crime ascritical issues requiring
immediate intervention.
Additional support is needed tomaintain momentum in addressing
these challenges.
Up to 125 National Guardpersonnel worked with the APD
since June.
The$7 million cost of theirdeployment footed by the state.

SPEAKER_08 (04:09):
Okay.
Unbelievable, right?
And so they come out with thenumbers, and it's like, hey,
this was expensive.
You guys allegedly wanted somehelp, but I think the governor
just wanted to step in.
And then the gloves comecompletely off.

SPEAKER_06 (04:22):
On Friday, Lujan Grisham's office, in response to
the journal questions, praisedthe members of the National
Guard who, quote, answered thecall.
But she is disappointed that themission did not achieve a
sustained decrease in crime.
This is particularly due to laxengagement by local partners,
and also because New Mexico'scriminal justice system too
often allows serious offendersback on the streets within days

(04:45):
or even hours of an arrest,according to her statement.
She goes on to say the missioncould have been more successful
if the Keller administration hadengaged in strategy development
and shown more initiative inmaximizing the governor's
deployment of National Guardresources in the community.

SPEAKER_08 (05:00):
Hello.
Okay.
She completely and directlycalls him out.
And then she goes and says, whatwe have been saying for years,
and which what every New Mexicanknows, the catch and release in
this state is horrendous and itis destroying the quality of
life in New Mexico.
Okay.
Finally, we're getting peoplethat are standing up saying, we
have to do something about this.
Now, are they going to dosomething?

(05:21):
We're going to get into allthis, but that is the focus of
the beginning of this show forthe next 20 minutes.
And that is the catch andrelease is not only alive and
well, but you're seeing itpermeating every area of law
enforcement, and it is making itimpossible.
And when you have leaders, whichin this case the governor says
Keller is one of, who won't takecrime seriously, it makes it

(05:41):
even worse.

SPEAKER_06 (05:41):
Right.
But this is I I have to just addreally quickly, this is
frustrating because this wasexactly our position during the
campaign was this catch andrelease, and she wouldn't
address it then.
So it is like what whathappened?
What made her wake up and nowshe's whatever, but she's doing
it.

SPEAKER_08 (05:56):
And so well, sort of anyway.
I I look, don't get me wrong.
I agree.

SPEAKER_06 (06:00):
She's really doing it, she's putting this out in
August.
It's not like this is a newsthing that just broke in the
last 24 hours.

SPEAKER_08 (06:05):
It's protect your own party first and then try to
hold have them do a better job,maybe.
And the question is, will thegovernor stand up during the
legislative session and say,enough of all your garbage bills
that don't matter?
Let's get some things fixedhere.
Let's get juvenile justicefixed.
Let's get catch and releasefixed.
Let's address these issues.
Let's put more money in NewMexicans' pockets so they can

(06:26):
get to the end of the month.
Or will they go off on all theserabbit trails, which are a waste
of your time and your money?
That that's the question.
That's what we're addressinghere in these next two or three
stories.
So the other thing is not onlyAlbuquerque, as far as where the
National Guard has beendeployed, also Espanola.
So of course the governor turnsthe bus around and rolls that
over them as well, talking aboutwhat's been going on in
Espanola.

SPEAKER_06 (06:46):
Okay, a spokesperson for the governor's office
referring to a separate stateemergency declaration deploying
the National Guard to Espanolasaid that that mission is,
quote, having more successbecause of an intensive
collaboration and coordinationbetween local official elected
officials and law enforcementagencies to capitalize on the
deployment.

SPEAKER_08 (07:03):
Okay, so so so what she's saying here is not only
are are did Keller let his citydown, she's got evidence that
other mayors in other cities aredoing it right when Keller's
doing it wrong.
Well, now we you gotta have aresponse from the Keller
administration, and there'snobody better than Chief Harold
Medina.
Oh, yeah, we're all waiting.
What did the chief say?

(07:23):
Yeah.
Our our our number one law, ourfearless leader, number one law
enforcement officer in the cityof Albuquerque.
I would love for you to justread this quote.
And for those of you listening,if you have any understanding of
what he's saying, I would loveto know and what's he exactly
saying with this.
This is one of those thingswhere I wish we could see the
video to understand, becausewhat you're about to read is
hilarious and I thinkincomprehensible.

SPEAKER_06 (07:47):
Okay.
Medina said last week that thecity thanked the governor for
her assistance and added thatthe issues that led to the
National Guard deployment arecomplex.

SPEAKER_07 (07:54):
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (07:55):
Quote, but did it make Central look better?
No, it looks the same.
We own that.
We know that.
But can anybody say it's a lackof effort of law enforcement?
Nobody, Medina said.
What in the world, Medina?
Like, honestly, take me, take apublic relations class 101 on
how to make a press statementfor starters.

SPEAKER_08 (08:15):
Okay, so so he's like, hey, look, none of this
worked.
Nothing's better.
We get it.
We own it.
What are you gonna do?
It's not my guy's fault.
Uh it's just, it is, this issuch classic election over.

SPEAKER_06 (08:27):
Yep, too.

SPEAKER_08 (08:28):
Pound sand.
Good luck to you.

SPEAKER_06 (08:30):
Yeah, and I'm that's what we're getting.
And I'm gonna go ahead and justtake a just a guess here out
here that you know the cleanupsthat we all saw, the homeless
people and the grass, you know,the all the street cleanups and
all the stuff happening.
That's right, yeah.
That's gonna stop.

SPEAKER_08 (08:42):
Oh no, you're starting to see it already.
You've seen people flooding.

SPEAKER_06 (08:50):
I don't think a lot of our viewers actually voted
for Tim Keller just stay.
Um, but if you did and you andyou're listening to this, well,
welcome to the party, becauseit's just gonna be another, you
know, another four years of themadness.

SPEAKER_08 (09:01):
Anyway, okay, so so then, okay, it's not over.
Okay, the the beatings willcontinue.
Yes.
And so Sarita Nyer, who used towork for Keller, actually, okay,
she's now the development ofWorkforce Solutions Cabinet
Secretary.
Okay.
And so she said basically,there's no good data here.
I I don't, I we don't even knowwhat we're looking at.

(09:21):
We don't know how many arrestsare made, how helpful was this?
None of it, okay?
And so I want you to do um herone last quote here.
It's the last quote we have fromher.
And it said, Nyer wrote thatwithout any data, the state must
rely on its own observations.

SPEAKER_06 (09:36):
She says, our team regularly travels through the
international district.
There is not a single street inthe focus area that does not
have an encampment or a hub ofillicit activity, as well as
litter and other blight, theletter stated.
We have witnessed police carsdrive past women who are passed
out on the street.
We have seen no increasedoutreach or an additional
presence of proactive policing.

(09:58):
Adding our personal personnel tobusiness as usual was never the
idea of the National Guarddeployment.
But without city leadership,nothing more has happened.
She goes on to say, we aredeeply concerned that the
international district residentswill never get the safe streets
they deserve if the city cannotaddress the problems in one
quarter of one square mile.
Even with the investment ofsignificant state resources, the

(10:20):
city has simply been unable toarticulate a vision for the
resources it requested or toimplement its side of the
operation.

SPEAKER_08 (10:27):
This is unreal.

SPEAKER_06 (10:28):
So okay, why is this happening?
I'm just curious.
Like, what do you think the Imean, I I'm sorry, again, this
is not a news flash.
So she could have put this outin the summer.
What do you think Saturday?

SPEAKER_08 (10:40):
So it's two different things, right?
So one, she wasn't trying, shedidn't want to stop him from
getting elected.
Okay.
Why I have no idea.
No, no, no.
Agreed.
But I also think she thinks heis wholly incompetent.
She d clearly.
Because again, this makes thegovernor look horrible.
When you when your major city,your biggest city is an absolute
abject failure, it makes youlook terrible.

(11:01):
And so if the governor wants tomove on and do other things,
other positions, whatever it maybe, whether it's a safe face.
She's not even safe face.
You have to execute better.
Like this is there's noexecution.
This is what was so frustrating.
Is you look at what's happeningin the city of Albuquerque and
you go, this is a disaster.
Well, now you have a governorthat stands up and says, I'm not
going to sit there and watchthat.
I mean, this makes me lookterrible.

(11:22):
So she's separating herself fromhim.
That's because absolutely,because there's no more
election.
And believe me, if she'd comeout and done this ahead of time,
there would have been a ton ofpolitical blowback.
I guarantee she'd have gottenhammered.
And I don't know herrelationship with Keller.
I don't know.
Uh clearly, you know, Michelle'snot calling me to tell me
anything, right?
Right.
But but I think overall here,this is just one of those things
where she starts to say, uh,yeah, I got to get away from

(11:44):
this guy.
And you see the rankincompetence, not only from
Medina, but but from overall,the way Keller executes on his
job is a real concern.
And this is why we said from thevery beginning that this isn't
about political party.
That's what makes the electionso disappointing.
Is you look at the the electionand go, you know, Republican,
Democrat, why?
How about competent andincompetent?

(12:04):
Yeah.
I mean, that's the thing we'vegot to care about because we all
live in this city and that'swhat you have to deal with, or
or many do, anyway, within theyou know, sound of my voice.
So that's why I think she'sdoing.
She's just looking at her majorcity and she's saying, This is
an incredible indictment on thestate of New Mexico, and it has
to change.

SPEAKER_06 (12:21):
And so And we give$7 million of the state budget to
try to help you.
No question.

SPEAKER_08 (12:25):
No doubt.
You'd be able to do that.
No doubt.
You'd be mad about that too.

SPEAKER_06 (12:29):
So no response from Keller on this, huh?

SPEAKER_08 (12:31):
I I mean, not that I've heard.
I mean, only sending out, youknow, Officer Gumshoe to go
ahead and be like, ah, yeah, ofcourse nothing's better.
We own that.
We own that?
Yeah.
What do you what good is that?
What do you mean you own that?
What does that even mean?

SPEAKER_06 (12:43):
Well, it it's odd, it's like it goes back to those
campaign ads of Keller when he'stalking about, like, I know
you're frustrated with crime andhomelessness, but that doesn't
mean you don't vote for mestill.
I mean, it was like that ad.
If you saw that ad and we'relike, oh, check the box report.

SPEAKER_08 (12:56):
I know and I know some of you are sick of the
mayor stuff, but this isunprecedented to listen to a
governor do this.
Well, and I can't help butwonder too.
I can't help but wonder too, ifshe's learning a little lesson
from what's going on inMinnesota.
Because I I I wonder if youstart seeing stuff that's going
on, and I'm not saying the samestuff's happening here, but I am
saying that what you want from afrom your governor is to stand

(13:19):
up, no matter who, you know, orwhat political party it is, you
want the person, if they're notgetting it done, you want your
governor to stand up and say,You got to fix this.
Yeah.
And I'm giving you everythingyou need to do this, and you
better fix it.
And don't get me wrong, I thisshould have been done.
You're right.
This should have been done inSeptember.
Of course it should have beendone.
You you it's called helping thepeople of your state understand

(13:39):
exactly what's happening.
So be honest with them andforget politics for once.
Right.
For once.
But yet we didn't.
Yet we didn't.
So we get the incompetence tocontinue.
And then the headlines, youknow, not only this headline,
but the headlines of what'shappening crime-wise continue to
get worse.

SPEAKER_06 (13:53):
Right.
So this is the latest that hasjust come out.
It's about 11 people beingarrested in Albuquerque, uh, you
know, members of the Trendra deAgua gang, which is very scary.
Notorious Venezuelan prison gangkilled man in Albuquerque.
They stuffed the body in asuitcase according to federal
indictment charges.

SPEAKER_07 (14:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (14:10):
So it goes on to say federal authorities say the
gorilla pobre, cell of theviolent Trendra de Agua gang
engaged in drug dealing, sextrafficking, and through rumba
parties at secret locations.
Uh well, rumba's a dance.

SPEAKER_08 (14:26):
Oh, it's oh god, not oh, rumba.
I'm thinking the rumba.

SPEAKER_06 (14:29):
Well, it might be rumba.
No, it's not.

SPEAKER_08 (14:31):
It's rumba.
No, you're exactly right.
I could be saying, anyway, allright.
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 (14:34):
So through parties at secret locations in
Albuquerque as early as 2022.
Wanted to get that out.

SPEAKER_08 (14:39):
Sorry.
So they did so again, when wetalk about, you know, ice coming
in and things like that and lawenforcement doing their job,
this is the danger to people.
It is not ice coming intoschools and ripping people out
of schools.

SPEAKER_06 (14:51):
Yes, killing the children and your grandma.
That's not what's happening.

SPEAKER_08 (14:54):
Trendaragua is in Albuquerque and they're killing
people.
Okay.
That's the problem here.
And when you see people, youknow, you got ads and you got
all this stuff from all theseleaders who say, Oh, no, no, we
should be worried about peoplegetting pulled out of school.
That they're not only lying,they're making our communities
less safe by turning peopleagainst each other when we need

(15:14):
desperately law enforcement toget every tool they can to keep
people safe.
Okay, it's a nightmare.
Eleven people were arrested aspart of this, okay, for doing
this.
And you can get some moredetails too.

SPEAKER_06 (15:25):
On June 16th, 2024, the TDA and Albuquerque turned
to kidnapping and homicideinside an apartment near the Big
Eye.
There, the TDA members andassociates held a telephone
conference call with other gangmembers.
Oh, that's nice.
They're doing conference callsnow.
You gotta zoom in, you gottazoom in.
Zooming in, get the cartel inthere and do a little cartel
zoom.
Okay.
All right, who were abroad orelsewhere in the country and

(15:48):
interrogated a captive beforethe order came down to kill him,
according to a federalindictment released Thursday.
The details of the unidentifiedman's slaying and his burial at
a remote location in New Mexicowere made public in the federal
racketeering indictment ofeleven alleged members of this
game.

SPEAKER_08 (16:04):
Okay, so when people talk to you, you know, and you
start saying, Well, that, youknow, there's nothing really
going on here with any of thesethings.
There are.
I mean, it's very clear what ishappening here and and how
dangerous this is.
And I'm gonna tie this into whathappens nationally here in just
a minute.
But but overall, what makes thisso frustrating is when we have
leaders and we have a media thatdon't demand accountability,

(16:27):
that don't stand up and say, whyaren't you making this better?
We don't have it.
And I'm not saying the mediawon't occasionally here and
there cover things quickly anddo one little story here and
there.
But there is not a relentlessdrumbeat of anger, and there
should be.

SPEAKER_06 (16:43):
Right.
Because you And letting themayor continue to tell us that
crime is going down is just abunch of hogwash.

SPEAKER_08 (16:49):
And it's not only him, it's the legislature which
will get together in thebeginning of January and have an
opportunity to make life betterfor people in this state, and
they will choose reindeer gamesgiven the season instead of
doing what is right, which we'llwe'll get to all that too.
So I wanna I want to shift thefocus just to another thing to
again, law enforcement orcertain members in leadership

(17:12):
saying, please help us makethings better.
Next example is Burnley OakCounty Sheriff's Office.
Okay.
They have engaged in what'scalled Operation Route 66.
Okay.
What that basically is is sincethe beginning of February,
they've been doing sweeps andtrying to get dangerous people
off the streets.
They've arrested 640 people aspart of this operation here.

(17:33):
And Sheriff John Allen put out apress release and he talked
about why they did it.
And it it's it's veryinteresting.
They gave out a bunch of data, abunch of information on what
they're trying to do to try tomake the streets safer.
Okay.
With those 640 arrests, 260 werefor warrants, outstanding
warrants.
Okay.

(17:53):
Meaning the arrest itself wasbecause you had another thing,
right?
Right, you're right.
You had this other thing, sowe're arresting you.
That's that's 260 of them.
380 were fresh charges.
Okay.
And then some of these breakdown into district court, some
of them break down into metrocourt.
But I want you to read throughsome of the numbers here and
what happened when these whenthese cases got to the court

(18:14):
system.
Okay, and it's just this firstparagraph.
So we'll put it up, Ave, if wecould.
And it's it's basically uh rightafter the press release.
It's um yeah, there it is.
Yes.
Okay.
Yes.
So go ahead and just read.
And Ave, let's just go in onthose numbers so people can see
them if they're watching athome.
Here we go.
Okay, so there were 59 pendingcases, and 26 are actively in

(18:36):
warrant status.
So just listen to what happenedto some of these people along
the way.

SPEAKER_06 (18:42):
Uh 13 defendants were released on their own recog
recognition.
I can't say that word.

SPEAKER_08 (18:47):
Recognizance.

SPEAKER_06 (18:47):
Yes, at the time of arrest.

SPEAKER_08 (18:49):
Okay, so 13 right back out, okay?

SPEAKER_06 (18:50):
Yeah, 10 defendants were released on their own and
referred to pretrial services.

SPEAKER_08 (18:54):
Oh, okay, so they're out too.
So that's 23.
Okay, keep going.

SPEAKER_06 (18:57):
One defendant was released under other conditions.
Who knows?

SPEAKER_08 (19:00):
But at least he's out, though.
Yeah, he's out.
That's good.

SPEAKER_06 (19:03):
Nine defendants previously arrested under
Operation Route 66, failed toappear for those charges and was
rearrested.

SPEAKER_08 (19:09):
Okay, so they didn't even bother showing up for their
court date and they wererearrested.

SPEAKER_06 (19:13):
In other words, all 59 of BC SO's Operation Route 66
cases still pending in MetroCourt involved defendants who
were released back into thecommunity, and 26 of those 59
defendants, nearly half ofthose, are now in active warrant
status after failing to appear.

SPEAKER_08 (19:30):
Okay, listen to that number.
That's unreal.
They had 59 cases, they're allout, every single one of them.
And you look at where we are inthis state, and this is a
disaster.
And there is no accountability.
We just watch an election whereyou protect the incumbents so
they can keep doing these sortsof things.
And you do now have certainleaders along the way are going,

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wait a minute, we gotta fixthis.
But then there are others whowill make sure we never do.

SPEAKER_06 (19:56):
Well, let's just add this really quickly too.
It goes on to say out of uhDistrict court, there's 90
pending cases, 24 are activelyin warrant status.
Out of those, nine defendantswere released at the time of the
arrest, 36 defendants werereleased on their own and
referred to pretrial services.
In the remaining 21 cases, thedistrict attorney's office filed
pretrial detention motionmotions.

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Judges granted detention in 14of those cases and denied
detention in seven, releasingthose defendants in pretrial
services.
So taken together 90.
So 76 of the 90 pending districtcourt defendants are currently
out in the community.
That's right.
52 on release or supervision andanother 24 in active warrant
status.

SPEAKER_08 (20:35):
It's unbelievable.

SPEAKER_06 (20:36):
Yeah, it's like, okay, we arrested you and now
you're back out.
Thank you, judges.
Okay, so thank you, districtattorney.

SPEAKER_08 (20:40):
Absolutely.
It's I mean, it's unreal, right?
Yeah.
And the district attorney didn'teven get what they wanted.
It's I wouldn't even necessarilyput that on the DA.
I put that on the judge.
So who are we dealing with?
Let's go to the hall.
We got some Hall of Famers.
Oh, good.
I want to bring some Hall ofFamers out because some of these
guys are unbelievable.
And let's start with uh BenjaminBoriff.
Okay.
44.
Yeah.
He's 44 years old.

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He's um got 21 arrests.

SPEAKER_06 (21:04):
Yeah.
D DWI, traffic controlledsubstances, receiving and
transferring stolen motorvehicles, possession of
controlled substances, trafficinfractions.

SPEAKER_08 (21:12):
Okay, well, but then Jeremy Bradley's like, oh, I see
you're 21, and I raise you to 41arrests.

SPEAKER_06 (21:18):
41 arrests.

SPEAKER_08 (21:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (21:19):
Um, he's got a lot of criminal charges.
I can't even read them allbecause they're so little.
Kidnapping with intent toinflict sexual offenses, uh,
great bodily harm.
Battery as a battery, falseimprisonment, aggravated
stalking, abuse of a child,resisting the law enforcement
officers, concealing identity.
I mean, holy cow.
He just goes on.

SPEAKER_08 (21:39):
And then Jonathan Orosco.

SPEAKER_06 (21:40):
Battery of a law enforcement officer.
Sorry.

SPEAKER_08 (21:42):
I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_06 (21:42):
I'm just like, holy cow, you'd be there all day
reading his.

SPEAKER_08 (21:45):
No, and then, okay, so one more here.
And it's uh Jonathan.
Yeah, Jonathan Orozco.

SPEAKER_06 (21:50):
He's got 29 arrests.
29 arrests.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Uh let's see here.
Burglary, uh, uh auto-burglary,criminal damage to property,
resisting a law enforcementofficer, battery of a peace
officer, possession ofcontrolled substances, unlawful,
unlawful taking of a motorvehicle.
That means uh receiving atransferring stolen, he's
stealing cars.
Yeah, basically.

SPEAKER_08 (22:08):
So, okay, so this just gives you an idea of what
is going on out there and howinsidious it is when you can be
arrested 20 and 30 times andback out on the streets in our
communities.
It's just we do they're just nottaking this seriously.
It's a joke.
And we're gonna get into alegislative session where they
could do something about it, butof clearly they won't.
So I'll get to that in a second.
But I want to then move us alittle bit into the federal

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realm.
And I want to just play for youa little soundbite from Marco
Rubio, talking about now, thesesome of these crime issues are
issues with, you know, peoplethat have lived here their whole
lives.
There's no question.
But then there's also this crimeissue of people that are here
illegally and trying to figureout what's going on with that,
right?
And there's been a lot of lotmade of creating this boogeyman,

(22:49):
right?
Don't enforce our immigrationlaws.
Don't you do it.
Don't you dare do it.
Okay.
And Marco lays out a veryinteresting case here about why
you do it and how what kind ofdevastating situation this
country is in because of wherewe've been under the Biden
administration and where we haveto pivot to to keep people safe.
Again, all we're asking for isare safe communities.

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We're not asking for everyone tofollow one political ideology
and to get on board, you gottabe a conservative or a
Republican.
We're not talking about that.
How about you gotta be able togo out your front door and let
your kids go play in the yardlike you used to be able to do,
which too often we can't do.
So listen to what Marco saysabout the reason why they have
started to pull back and notallow for people to come in from

(23:33):
certain countries and what thelogic is.

SPEAKER_00 (23:37):
The United States remains the most generous
country in the world when itcomes to legal immigration.
This year alone, close to amillion people will enter this
country legally and get havetheir green card and go to war.
But we do have a right, likeevery sovereign country does, to
know who you are, why you'recoming, what you've done in the
past, and what we think youmight or might not do in the
future.
We have a right.
We have a right to make surethat you're not going to come to
this country and and pose aburden on our social safety

(24:00):
network.
Um, all of these things arerights of sovereign countries.
A bunch of sovereign countriesin the world do it.
Most of the countries in theworld have far more restrictive
immigration policies than theUnited States has ever had.
But we are in a special periodright now.
This is not like business asusual.
This is right now, we are lessthan a year removed from the
most reckless migratoryincompetence in American

(24:20):
history.
Where a flood of people on massmigration events entered the
United States, and I can theycan claim all they want that
they vetted people.
This is just not true.
Some of them were cursoryvetting, and in some cases you
couldn't vet them because thecountries or places they came
from had no documents upon whichthey could be vetted on.

SPEAKER_08 (24:37):
Yeah.
I mean it's so scary, right?
And trying to say, look, youcan't uh continue to operate
like this.
The chaos is terrifying.
And so I the reason I juststacked all these stories
together for you is to show youwhere we are.
I I think and and it's one ofthe most important things we do
on this show is we care mostabout people's safety and their

(24:59):
flourishing and to be able toprovide for your families.
We're raising a family here justlike all of you.
And and so this is incrediblyfrustrating because what do you
see?
What do you usually see on thenightly news?
Oh my gosh, you know, you seethis breathless stuff that half
of it ends up being not true,and then the other half of it is
deceptive.
And if you continue to have acountry where you don't vet

(25:20):
people and you don't put peoplein jail for committing violent
crime, yeah, then there's chaos.
And and I I don't know how wecontinue to let this happen.

SPEAKER_06 (25:30):
Yeah, it's rough.
And I just think he makes a goodpoint of like what we're trying
to do or what we should be doingis what other countries do as
well to try to keep themselvessafe.
So it's not like we're askingfor things.
It's like again, this wholethey're gonna take grandma and
the kids out of school and uhstrip away, you know, break up
families and all this stuff.
Again, it's just it's so, it'sso um twisted as far as the

(25:51):
message goes that people reallyaren't actually getting the
truth.
I mean, I just think that that'sinteresting you know, it's
interesting, even when you readarticles now where they're like,
oh, they split the kids up andthey did this, they did that.
And I think, well, given,because the mother had a baby in
America, that's true, but shewas here illegally.
So they give her the option, doyou take your children back with
you?
Um, or do you leave them here inAmerica and the mother opts to

(26:13):
take her child with her?
Well, the headline reads, youknow, family broken apart.
I was just reading about it inthe New York Times this past
week.
And it's just an interestingdynamic that, again, and if you
just read, read that and believeit 100%, you you have this
misinform, it's not evenmisinformation, that's not the
right word.
It is like, hey, I'm gonna putmy head in the sand and I'm just
gonna believe that all this isjust bad, bad, bad.

(26:34):
There's no such thing now ascoming down tight on
immigration.
There, if you do that, you'recold hearted, you are, you know,
you're just a Trumper, andthat's all it is.
And I just think that's such auh that's just such a falsehood
that media is is blasting out,some media is blasting out to
everyday Americans.
And they're and some of them arebuying it.

SPEAKER_08 (26:53):
Well, and you you have to figure out the truth,
you know, as part ofimmigration, is how how do you
want to decide who you bringinto your country?
Because if you look at this andif everything is based on do you
have a relative here orwhatever, that's one way to do
it.
It's called chain migration.
And it and it and itincentivizes people breaking the
law.
It it does.
I mean, if you get into thiscountry, then you bring more

(27:14):
people in.
Okay, or is it one of thesedeals where you say, look, we as
a country have a right to figureout who do we want to bring in?
What are the who are the millionpeople we want to bring in every
year?
And what do they add to thecountry?
Because that's important.
And there's nothing wrong withasking those questions.
So we'll see how all this thisstuff shakes out.
But you're gonna hear more aboutyou know, reducing immigration

(27:35):
from certain countries andvetting people more closely.

SPEAKER_06 (27:38):
I think it's interesting.
We we didn't have it in theshow, we haven't talked about it
yet.
But this this plan to maybe lookback on people's social media
for the last five years to seewhere they stand and stuff,
that's quite a process.
I'm not sure who's hired to gothrough somebody's social media
stuff for the last five years.
Yeah.
Um, but it's in and how peoplecan, you know, maybe just scrub
it and take that stuff out.

(27:59):
I don't know.
It's an interesting uhconversation, I guess.
And we haven't really had thatyet on the show, but it's it's
interesting to to uh starthearing about that.

SPEAKER_08 (28:05):
So okay, so I want to I want to turn one more thing
that sort of connects to all ofthis in.
And that is a I guess it's aopinion piece in the journal
last week from Mimi Stewart, whois the Senate president pro tem,
I believe.
Um, who is one of the people whocould, if she wanted to, really

(28:26):
genuinely help the state byfocusing on things that are that
are truly important and helppeople get to the end of the
month economically, bring downcrime, and catch them really.
She could do all sorts of reallygood things because she's been
trusted in a position to dothat.
Well, that's not what she'sgonna be focused on.
Uh Mimi Stewart uh wrote thisthe opinion in New Mexico, we

(28:49):
take care of our own.
That's a euphemistic headlinefor nothing really.
But um, but so I I want you tolisten to what she says in this
opinion piece.
And basically what she'sadvocating for is she's trying
to push up a climate bill whichwill basically destroy oil and
gas in the state of New Mexico,okay, with no solution behind

(29:11):
it.
Right.

SPEAKER_06 (29:11):
And and so just And again, where where's our budget
money coming from?

SPEAKER_08 (29:15):
No, again, doesn't care.
Yeah, doesn't care.
And if she gets what she wants,what you will pay for energy in
the state will bankruptlow-income families.
There's no doubt about that.
And what what will sheaccomplish with it?
Absolutely nothing.
Okay, absolutely nothing.
But I just want you to listen tothis first paragraph, and
there's an interestingrhetorical trick here, which

(29:35):
we'll point out.

SPEAKER_06 (29:36):
In the last fiscal year alone, our state spent more
than 256 million responding toclimate-driven disasters.

SPEAKER_08 (29:42):
Okay, hold on.
Climate-driven disasters.
What is she talking about?
A fire?
Fires that have burned on thelandscape here for thousands of
years?
That suddenly now these areclimate change?
Okay.
You know, look, you're gonnahave fires anyway.
And that's what we've dealt withhere.
Okay, we didn't have a singlesignificant fire in northern New

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Mexico this past summer.
Why?
Because we have plenty of rain.
It turns out that's how itworks.
And she goes and says this.
And so so what she tries to dobasically is take correlation
and make it causation.
It's not.
It's not.
But go ahead, keep going.

SPEAKER_06 (30:16):
Uh, from wildfires to flooding through emergency
executive orders, and this yearthe trend has been no different.
Scientists and fiscal expertsrecently warned lawmakers that
if we fail to act and prepare,climate-related losses could
reach one-third of New Mexico'sannual budget by 2040.
That would mean fewer dollarsfor the things we care about
most, our children's education.

(30:37):
Oh, okay.
Uh, future uh infrastructureneeds like roads and drinking
water systems, affordablehealthcare, that's laughable,
and the essential services thatkeep communities safe.

SPEAKER_08 (30:47):
Okay, so what she's saying is give us more power so
that we can raise your energyprices.
We will then give you a stipendso that you can live, but we
will completely control yourlife.
Yeah.
That's what this is.
This is about control.
It's very simple.
No climate bill in New Mexicowill make a hilla beans worth of
difference to planettemperature.
It's not going to.

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It's not going to at all.
But what it is going to do israise the price of living in
this state immeasurably.
And it's going to also destroyour state budget.
And so she's going to do itanyway.
She's going to try and she'sgoing to hope that the media
plays along and there'll bethese euphemistic things like,
oh, we're going to call thisthing the Clear Horizons bill.
And we call it a nice name, andit's going to be family

(31:28):
devastation bill when you getyour bills as far as energy
goes.
It's a nightmare, right?

SPEAKER_06 (31:34):
Okay, so it's just-oh, it's it is.
It's called the Clear HorizonsAct.
I thought you made that up.
No.
No, go ahead.
Go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 (31:41):
Read it.

SPEAKER_06 (31:41):
The Clear Horizons Act introduced this year
provides that certainty.
It codifies our 2050 net zerotargets into law, ensuring we
have a real plan to reduceharmful pollution and protect
the healthy, health, safety, andeconomic security of new
Mexicans.
It gives state agencies thetools they need to track
progress.

SPEAKER_08 (31:58):
Okay, right there.
Okay, listen.
That's hold on, go put that backin.

SPEAKER_06 (32:02):
Please let me read the sentence because it's such a
it's such the sentence is allgarbage.
It's like AI wrote it.
Okay.
It gives state agencies thetools they need to track
progress, address gaps, and holdthe largest polluters who emit
over 10,000 tons of harmfulpollution a year accountable.
This is just governmentoverreach, like I've never heard

(32:22):
of it before.

SPEAKER_08 (32:23):
And what it matters, and the reason it matters is
because it makes doing businessimpossible here, which we've
already done.
This is why when you look atArizona, you look at Texas,
heck, you even look at Colorado,and they have much better
business environments than we dofor reasons like this.
People who don't know whatthey're talking about make laws
for you and make so thatbusinesses cannot do what they

(32:44):
need to do to supplyflourishing.
This is just the way it goes.
It's government over peopleevery single time.
Yeah.
And she's doing it again.
And so, and again, they putthese little names on them, the
Clear Horizons act becausethere's just because you're just
seeing people dumping a rawsewage into the Rio Grande.
And I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 (33:02):
And if you look at the skies, they're just, I mean,
they're not blue anymore.

SPEAKER_08 (33:05):
It is just choked with pollution.

SPEAKER_06 (33:06):
And just the smog that you see just everywhere in
the state of New Mexico.
It's just devastating.

SPEAKER_08 (33:11):
No, and they but they they create these things
that aren't there.
They do it with crime, they doit with immigration, and they do
it with the climate.
This is all simply to go aheadand get as much power from you
as they can.
And again, they'll give you justenough to survive.
That's the goal.

SPEAKER_06 (33:25):
They want you to speak, they want you to stay
dependent on the government tofix and solve everything.
I mean, I just, it's maddeningwhen you actually listen to it
and you break it down.

SPEAKER_08 (33:33):
So, anyway, you start hearing about this bill,
yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (33:36):
This Clear Horizons Act.

SPEAKER_08 (33:37):
Let me tell you something.
When this Clear Horizons Act,when you start hearing about
this, contact your legislator,especially if they are a
legislator who maybe doesn'tshare your political views,
reach out to them and say, wecannot do this because this will
be de if if this succeeds, I'mtelling you right now, this will
be devastating to the state ofNew Mexico, even more so than

(33:58):
their terrible policies alreadyhave.
And if you want thing, if theyhad solved all our problems,
we're like, crime is low.

SPEAKER_06 (34:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (34:03):
There's no homelessness.
Our education, top of the top ofthe country.

SPEAKER_06 (34:06):
We're really climbing now.

SPEAKER_08 (34:07):
If we had, if we had solved all those problems, I'd
be like, okay, let's have afight over this.
How about you solve the massiveissues that we have instead of
trying to jump on this and crushlow-income families?
Because that's what you're goingto do.
Right.
And again, you're going tocreate this fake world where if
you don't do this, youeveryone's going to die.
I mean, that's basically howit's.

SPEAKER_06 (34:27):
Everybody's going to die.
Everybody's going to die.
And again, what's so frustratingto me too is that, you know,
we've talked so much about how,you know, I'm you you're hearing
like state leaders, uh, U.S.
senators, for example, in ourthe state of Mexico continuing
to call us a poor state, wherethis is poor state, and you
know, he's got the, you know,it's maddening to listen to
because again, we've said ittill we're blue in the face.
This is not a poor state.
We have one of the richest stategovernments.

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I think we've outsurpassed Texasnow, if I just read that
correctly.

SPEAKER_08 (34:53):
Per capita?
Could be.

SPEAKER_06 (34:53):
Uh per capita, as far as a state budget goes,
right?
So we have a really good budget,but heaven forbid we ever give a
tax break or a rebate oranything back to the people that
live in this state.
Let's definitely pass this soyour utilities bill will climb.

SPEAKER_08 (35:08):
Not only that, the regulatory structure they'll put
in place and choke outbusinesses.
It's ridiculous.
I mean, just why if this is whatyou want, you get you're just
gonna continue to choke out anysort of flourishing.
So there's that.
All right.
Oh, we're gonna shift focushere.
It is undeniable now.

SPEAKER_06 (35:23):
Yeah, we wouldn't did not want to talk about this
originally.
I I think we were I didn't.

SPEAKER_08 (35:27):
I'll talk about it.

SPEAKER_06 (35:28):
I know.
I didn't really want to get intothe whole uh fighting on the the
right side media that it seemsto be happening between, you
know, make we got Megan Kelly,we got uh Candace Owens, we got
Tucker Carlson, we got Erica,yeah, Kirk, uh Kirk, and now
we've got Ben Shapiro.

SPEAKER_08 (35:46):
Yeah, so basically what you're seeing now is this
huge divide, and I think itreally is largely over treatment
of Israel.
I mean, I I think that's where alot of this stems from.
And you have people like BenShapiro who have said, look,
Israel's a key ally, we have tostand by him.
And then you have people likeTucker Carlson and Candace Owens
who who have over time just kindof evolved into hard, hard

(36:09):
anti-Israel rhetoric to thepoint where I it bugs me.
I'm I'm very pro-Israel.
I've said that.
I, you know, whether you likethat or not, I'm I'm okay if you
don't, I don't care.
But but I think this is amazingto watch this cleave in.
And Megan Kelly was sort of inthe middle, and now she's really
starting to stand more clearlywith Tucker Carlson and Candace
Owens, or at least it's it sureseems that way.

(36:31):
So let's listen to this and seeif if that's even a fair
comparison.
So Ben Shapiro stands up.
So there's a big uh turningpoint event this past weekend.
Okay, all the big Republicaninfluencers, or whatever you
want to call them, um, got thereand started talking about it.
Yeah, Tucker.

SPEAKER_06 (36:46):
We weren't invited.

SPEAKER_08 (36:47):
We were not.
Tucker Carlson.

SPEAKER_06 (36:50):
Should we drop him a note for their next?

SPEAKER_08 (36:52):
Yeah, I think we're fine.
Stand out of that, honestly.
Uh so Ben Shapiro was there,Megan Kelly was there, Tucker
Carlson was there.
They all talked and and theyjust started the circular firing
squad was intense.
So here is Ben Shapiro, part ofhis speech.

SPEAKER_01 (37:05):
The same holds true of Megan Kelly, a person I
consider a friend,characterizing Candace as a
young mother and thus shyingaway from condemning her actions
or feeling about them.
That is a non-starter.
Meghan Markle is a young mother.
Ilhan Omar is a young mother.
That doesn't matter.
And when Megan said this week,quote, my goal and my job here

(37:26):
is to try to understand, yes,where Candace is coming from on
this, and says she sees nopurpose in inserting herself,
quote, into this on one side.
That is a moral and logicalabsurdity.
There is only one moral sidehere, Erica Kirk's side.

SPEAKER_08 (37:44):
Okay, now this goes back a little bit.
We're not going to spend toomuch time on this.

SPEAKER_06 (37:49):
This is the this is the heated that he's discussing,
they're not talking about Israelthere.
They're talking about the thethe brew haha that's going
between Candace Owen saying thathe she believes Turning Point is
directly responsible or ispartially responsible, whatever,
responsible for Charlie Kirk'sassassination, that they had
some role in it.
And basically Erica Kirk hassaid, stop, like, stop saying

(38:10):
these things.
It's not true, stop going afterturning point, just enough,
right?
So that's the battle that's beengoing on.

SPEAKER_08 (38:16):
But yeah, absolutely.
And then not only that, though,it's that he says, you know, as
far as Erica Kirk goes, um, andCandace Owens goes, some of this
goes back to Ben Shapiro was aguest on Megan Kelly's show, and
he said basically, Candace Owensis going after Erica Kirk.
And and Megan Kelly's like, no,no, she's not.
No, she's not.
Yeah, she absolutely is.
She absolutely is.
Now she's she's evolved intothat.

(38:38):
So I think Megan was maybe rightat the time and wrong now.
But anyway, so they're goingback and forth on all this, and
it's ugly.
So we're going to hear fromMegan, and then Ava, I think you
want to comment on this too.
So let's hear from Megan Kellywhat she says about Ben Shapiro,
who directly called her out.

SPEAKER_05 (38:54):
And I resent that he thinks he's in a position to
decide who must say what to whomand when.
Thank you.
So I think we are friendsanymore.
I've been a very good friend toBen.
Nobody knew who the heck BenShirl was when I started putting
him on my shows on the Fox Newschannel, and I helped make him a

(39:17):
star.
And I've been very, very good toBen over the years, and he's
been good to me too.
He just recently came on mytour, as did you, and I gave him
the most kind introduction Icould possibly give him because
I know that he's losingsubscribers a lot.
And so I tried to do somethingnice for him by giving him a
long 10-minute intro personallyvouching for him.

(39:37):
And we mixed it up on Israel onthe stage.
It wasn't Israel because we'reon the same place on Israel.
We mixed it up before.

(40:00):
Later saying our friendship wasimportant to us.
And the next thing I saw was himattacking me on stage last night
as a coward.
So that's not friendship.
Uh, and I think that's fine withme.

unknown (40:11):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (40:12):
With friends like that.

SPEAKER_08 (40:13):
Okay.
So she even does an imitation ofTucker as she defends him.
But um I I I think part of thistoo is is that you have the
Candace Owens part of this, isyou have to understand the way
numbers work in all this.
And Candace Owens numbers, whenshe when she tries to go after
these things, like with crazyconspiracy stuff, it works for

(40:36):
her.
I know.
The numbers are huge.

SPEAKER_06 (40:38):
She gets clicks, and that's how she gets paid.
It is how she gets paid.

SPEAKER_08 (40:41):
Yeah, and I don't know if you know, I I don't
agree with her.
I don't like her stance on a lotof things.
I'm not a fan.

SPEAKER_06 (40:46):
Yeah.
Okay.

SPEAKER_08 (40:47):
But but I in and and Megan Kelly's just starting to
slide, she's sliding in thatdirection.

SPEAKER_06 (40:52):
Well, okay, I'm gonna go ahead and just say, I
just calm down a little bit,guy.
Because here's the thing.
Yes, and I'm a Megan Kelly fan,as you know.
I'm also a Ben Shapiro fan.
I think that I would never wantto get in an argument with Ben
Shapiro.
I mean, that guy will just handyou your lunch dinner.
I mean, he is phenomenal when itcomes to just oratory, just he
can just break something down.

(41:13):
Very smart.
So all that to say is I like BenShapiro a lot too, but it's
interesting because I thinklistening to Megan Kelly
actually after this whole thingwent down, I listened to part of
her show about some of this.
And she basically just said,listen, I was called by both
Erica Kirk and I was called byCandace Owens to try to see if I
could be a mediator between thetwo of them.
And they originally haddiscussed doing it kind of like

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a live show between the three ofthem.

SPEAKER_07 (41:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (41:35):
And then that, and so that's why she wasn't
speaking to the public becausethat's what Ben was originally
going after her for was, hey,you're not making any calls on
this.
You're too scared to talk aboutit.
Why won't you call Candace Owensout on this?
That kind of stuff.
And to her credit, Megan Kellywas trying to basically say,
hey, I'm gonna respect these twoladies.
I'm gonna maybe do a show withthe two of them together, and
that's what we're going for.

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That's why she didn't sayanything originally.
And then that fell apart, andthey decided that they wanted to
speak privately, which MeganKelly, and then Megan Kelly,
just you just wait a second,mister.
I see your face looking at me.
Just give me a half a second,okay?
Goodness gracious, this guy.
Then all she wanted to, shebasically wanted to say that
that Candace, oh, she did notagree that Candace Owen was

(42:18):
correct in her assessment of andsaid that Erica Kirk asked her
to stop.
She said very bluntly, I believethe person that has been charged
with the killing of Charlie Kirkhas nothing to do with turning
point.
We have the right guy.
I think Candace Owens is off therails on this one.
She did say that, but she saidthat she has respect for Candace
Owens and blah blah blah.
Anyway, I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_08 (42:37):
She's tiptoeing around Candace Owens.

SPEAKER_06 (42:40):
She is.
Okay, maybe she is.
Maybe because Candace Owens hasa huge following.

SPEAKER_08 (42:44):
Okay, well, guess what?
You if if you make your brand onbeing a truth teller, which she
does, I know.
And I agree.
I think she's incrediblytalented and I like her, but I I
don't like this.
I think it's I think it's veryweird.
And I think, by the way, ifyou've seen what Candace Owens
is saying on Saturday, uh, she'sgoing even further.
She's going even further.

(43:04):
She is.
She's literally blaming Israelfor killing, for killing um uh
Charlie.
It's ludicrous.
It's done as well.
No, she's lost her mind.
So I'm just saying, she'stiptoeing around somebody who I
think for whatever reason she'sscared of.
I think she should walk inthere.
And if you're gonna be a truthteller, then say it.
We've done it on this show wherewe've said stuff where like we
know some of the people on uhand you know that watch the show

(43:27):
won't like it.
I get it.

SPEAKER_06 (43:28):
Yeah, I get it, but I understand.

SPEAKER_08 (43:29):
But we owe you honesty, and I just think this
is craziness.

SPEAKER_06 (43:32):
Well, it's just it's gotten a little out of control.
I agree.
It's gotten a little out ofcontrol.
But I do think that you'll see Ithink Megan Kelly's try was
trying to protect her friendshipwith Tucker, her friendship with
candidates.
She's come down next to Tucker.

SPEAKER_08 (43:44):
I just think it's the wrong way.
You should have heard Tucker'sspeech.
It was horrendous, by the way.
I I'm sorry.
I like I like I used to likeTucker at it at Fox, but now
it's a nightmare.
Okay.
Um okay, sorry, Ava, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 (43:54):
Yeah, okay.
So I'd like to make twocomments.
First thing I want to say isthis is stupid.
I think um this like garbagebickering uh publicly is a waste
of our time.
Correct.
Um I'm gonna watch Ben's fullspeech.
I heard it was really good.
Yeah, but I just I just thinkthis is dumb.
I think there's a major issuewith whatever.
I just think like we could justnot do this publicly.
I don't know.
I think it gives you a lot ofpeople.

SPEAKER_08 (44:15):
Yeah, but Ava, I think.
What if the bigger issue here isthis one I said, the bigger
issue here, I think, istreatment of Israel.
I I don't think it's about uhCandace Owens in the in the
whole like going after CandaceOwens is is clout chasing, doing
the whole the Charlie Kirkthing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's it, you're right.
But but I think the bigger issuehere is how do we treat Israel?
And and we have a a real dividenow on the right about how

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Israel is treated.

SPEAKER_04 (44:38):
And I don't know if this is the place to do that.
This conference is aboutinspiring leadership in young
conservatives, and I don't thinkwe need to make it a big like
let's go and fight with eachother on stage in front of all
these teenagers.
Well, maybe so.
Especially because the secondcomment I wanted to make is my
debate partner is actually atthis event.
And Dean Withers is also there.
He's outside protesting everysingle day, uh, this whole event

(45:00):
with all his people.

SPEAKER_07 (45:01):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (45:02):
And so I just Dean Withers.
Dean Withers is this like young,um lip super liberal, like
leftist influencer.
He was a vocal critic of CharlieKirk.
He debated Charlie Kirk multipletimes.
Uh he kind of does the thingthat Charlie did where he goes
to college campuses and tries toargue about it.
He's very, very smart.
I don't agree with a lot of thethings he says, but he's good at
what he does.

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Um and so basically he's holdingprotests outside of this event.
He's probably 23, 24.

SPEAKER_08 (45:27):
Okay, why does that matter?

SPEAKER_04 (45:28):
I just think because we're just it's just not
important right now at thisparticular event.
Right, you're trying to sellDiscord.
It's important to be like, hey,there's real issues that are
facing the country.
Yeah.
Let's actually get together andtalk about how to do that.

SPEAKER_08 (45:41):
I disagree with that a little bit.
And part of it is because Ithink now I'm sick and tired of
being in a political world wherepeople just protect their own
and and let things just festeror good examples.
The first story we started within the show.

SPEAKER_04 (45:54):
But that's exactly what's happening right here.
You know, like Megan isdefending herself, Ben is
defending himself.
They're like attacking eachother.

SPEAKER_08 (46:00):
Yeah, I agree they are.
I agree they are.
But sometimes you have to dothat to hash these things out
and see where they land.

SPEAKER_06 (46:05):
Yeah, but maybe they should just do them on their own
shows, I think is what Ava'ssaying.
Is you do your argument, do yourargument.

SPEAKER_04 (46:12):
You don't want parents fighting at a kid's
birthday party, you know?
They want it to do it, yeah.
But we're not their parents.

SPEAKER_08 (46:17):
I mean, no.
But Kelly's not the parent ofturpin turning point.

SPEAKER_04 (46:21):
They're leaders in this movement, and I think that
they should at least be aunified front when they're
educating young adults.
I think go do their own thingthat people can see.

SPEAKER_08 (46:28):
Okay, but okay, I see what you're saying.
But but I think overall, uh, andand I think what's important
here is that there's nothingwrong with hashing things out in
front of people.
I don't have a problem with it.
I I think you want to stand upand say it, but the thing that
worries me the most is on theright, if you start seeing this
thing and you see it more andmore, it it's it's and again,
I'm not gonna call itanti-Semitism because I don't

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know, but but it's veryanti-Israel to me.
And even if it's the governmentof Israel or whatever weird
distinctions people try to draw,Israel is our closest ally in
the Middle East.
It is, it is an incrediblecountry.
And I think we have a connectionto it, obviously, because of our
faith.
That's why I think it's mostimportant.
And I truly believe the UnitedStates is blessed by protecting
Israel.

(47:09):
I firmly believe that.
And I don't care if people don'tlike it.

SPEAKER_06 (47:11):
I just think that you also have to, you know, if
you read your scriptures at all,you understand the dynamics of
Israel.
And you can say, say that youread your scriptures, and if you
go anti-Israel, I'm like, goodluck, because that means that
either you're you think you'rewiser than what scripture has
forecasted and has warned usabout.
Good luck.
Like that's why I would any, Ihear I I don't know.
I just think stay in yourscriptures if you're a Christian

(47:33):
on this situation, stay lesspolitical and stay more in line
with where God has actuallywarned us about things that will
happen.
And that's my that's the onlything I would say too.

SPEAKER_08 (47:43):
Yeah, no, I yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (47:44):
Which I know is not the angle of our show, but I
it's just our my faith.

SPEAKER_08 (47:48):
No, I know I I I I do.
I think it's I I do it scares mebecause I I think you see some
of this stuff happening, andthen you see what's happening
with you know uh other thingsthat that are a direct attack,
and and you know, when we talkabout terrorist terrorist
threats and things like thatthat are that are bubbling up
and expanding, and you're seeingthis as a huge issue in this
country.
I think we're this is spiritualwarfare.

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It's what happens.

SPEAKER_06 (48:09):
So and and we've been warned about it in
scripture.
So anyway, okay, okay.
What do you want to do next?

SPEAKER_08 (48:14):
Yeah, I want to do this wildlife crossing.
Okay.
Have you seen this thing?

SPEAKER_06 (48:17):
It's in uh I'm looking at it right now.
It's kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_08 (48:20):
South of Denver, we're actually driving up on
this shortly here.
Uh, largest wildlife crossing inthe U.S.
opens in Colorado, but theanimals aren't using it yet.
Okay.
So you can see a picture of thisthing, and it is massive.

SPEAKER_06 (48:33):
Big, huge bridge.
For those of you that are justlistening, it's a huge bridge
over a highway.

SPEAKER_08 (48:38):
Over I-25, I think.

SPEAKER_06 (48:39):
And it is, it's supposed to be this wildlife
crossing.

SPEAKER_08 (48:41):
Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 (48:43):
How do they know that to cross there?
Do they have little crossings?

SPEAKER_08 (48:45):
No, I mean that's the issue, right?

SPEAKER_06 (48:46):
They have like little deer crossing guards in
shoppers.
That are like it's like, comeover this way.
Well, they have my little veston.

SPEAKER_08 (48:52):
They have fences uh leading up to it on either side,
right?
Interesting.
So that kind of tries to channelthem into there, but part of the
problem has been the weather.

SPEAKER_06 (48:58):
Okay, so work is finished on what's being touted
as North America's largestwildlife crossing bridge south
of Denver.
It's been so warm, animalshaven't started using it yet.
The 200-foot wide, 209-foot longGreenland overpass spans six
lanes of Interstate 25.
It sits along a key migrationroute between winter and summer
range for antelope, deer, andelk.
But without snow piling up andtemperatures plunging in the

(49:21):
high country, the massmigrations haven't started yet.
So the overpass, completelyearly this month, has mostly sat
empty.

SPEAKER_08 (49:27):
Okay.
And and so, and one other thing,so I didn't realize this.
The overpass uh seals a roughlyfour-mile gap.
So effectively, what they'vedone is put fencing along the
I-25, kind of leading everythinginto this thing.
So people can migrate.
Yeah, not people.

SPEAKER_07 (49:44):
Oh, the little Diaz.
Yeah, so they can migrate.

SPEAKER_08 (49:46):
And in that area of the highway, as it cuts through
the vital migration quarter,what's interesting is that it's
near Castle Rock, andeffectively they get one crash a
day there with an animal.
So it's a huge deal.
Like you're getting a lot.
Yeah, that's their plan to tryto take care of it.
It's interesting.
I thought I just kind of lookedat it, was like, I'd never
noticed it, so we'll have tolook for it.

SPEAKER_06 (50:05):
I wonder if we could get a game cam up there for you.
You would just be like, I'mgonna watch the bridge tonight.
You know.
I'm gonna watch the bridge.
Oh, they're gonna do it like onthe Colorado State Patrol or
whatever, or the highway patrol.
Yeah.
Don't you think that you couldprobably tap into that?

SPEAKER_08 (50:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (50:18):
I'm sure if there's anybody that can find it, it's
you.

SPEAKER_08 (50:20):
Oh, it would be incredible.
I'd love to see it.
We'll see what happens.

SPEAKER_06 (50:23):
Okay, so let's talk about this Friday morning
outside of Cheyenne, Wyoming.
Um, which by the way, if you'veever been to Wyoming in the
winter, you know it is one ofthe hardest states to drive in
because number one, the windsare just like there's no block.
It's because there's no block,right?
You have no block.

SPEAKER_08 (50:39):
Straight on wind tunnel action.

SPEAKER_06 (50:41):
Oh, it's like you.
I would I remember as a kiddriving because I grew up in
Fort Collins.
We drive up.
My mom worked in Cheyenne, butyou would see semis overturned.
I mean, my best one of my bestfriends lives up there, and they
would shut down the roadsbecause of wind.
Right.
Just because of the wind.
Yeah.
So check this out.
This is a train um that'scrossing.

SPEAKER_08 (50:57):
She just dumped it.

SPEAKER_06 (50:58):
And it the winds uh took this train up on its its
end.

SPEAKER_08 (51:03):
Well, no, just dumped it to the side.
Yeah.
It's a west wind, I think, justcame in and and pushed it down
onto its side.
You know, you see and this is along train for those of you that
are listening.

SPEAKER_06 (51:12):
It is a very long train.
I mean, I I it's it's shockingthat it took the whole thing off
its on its side.
But it's tough.
Anyway, all right, Wyoming.
It's not for it's not for thesoft people out there.
If you're from Wyoming, Godbless you, because you're a
tougher stock than most of us.

SPEAKER_08 (51:26):
So there's no doubt.
I mean, you've seen 18 wheelersturn over, but I've never seen
an entire train.

SPEAKER_06 (51:31):
Yeah, I've seen plenty of semis up on their on
their sides from that.
But anyway, okay, you got alittle inspiration for I do, I
do.

SPEAKER_08 (51:37):
Phillip Rivers uh came back, he's been retired in
the NFL for about close to fiveyears.
He was a very good quarterbackuh for a long time.
It would have been paid for theChargers for the most part,
although he played he alsoplayed for the Colts at the end
of his career.
So the Colts called him a fewweeks ago and said, Look, our
quarterback, it blew out hisAchilles.
Will you come and finish out theseason for us?

SPEAKER_06 (51:58):
Literally, is that normal?

SPEAKER_08 (52:00):
No.
Okay.
I mean, he's been on the couchfor five years.
He coaches high school, he's got10 kids, he's a great guy.
Okay, you can just see this.
Even in his comments here, whatyou're gonna see is they asked
him about, you know, whatmessage does this send?
You know, what you've done justcoming off the couch.
He played last week, playedwell, played well.
I mean, to be the kind ofathlete where you can sit out
for five years and then go playquarterback in the NFL, he's a

(52:21):
great athlete.

SPEAKER_06 (52:22):
So, how many games did he come back to play so far?

SPEAKER_08 (52:24):
I think he's played one.
I uh so he'll probably playthree more because that's what's
left.

SPEAKER_06 (52:28):
Okay.

SPEAKER_08 (52:28):
And they're probably not gonna make the playoffs.
They had a really good start tothe season.

SPEAKER_06 (52:31):
Maybe they should have called him earlier.

SPEAKER_08 (52:32):
They probably should have.
Okay.
But the uh they didn't have theinjury.
But uh so here's what uh buthere's kind of what he says
about what he tells his kidsabout challenges and and
overcoming them.
I just thought it was cool.

SPEAKER_02 (52:44):
You know, maybe maybe uh it it will I don't
know, uh, inspire or or teach,you know, to you that not to run
or be scared of what may or maynot happen, you know.
Um hopefully, you know,certainly I think of my sons and
those ball players, you know,that I'm in in charge of at the
school, uh, that they'll say,like, crap, coach one's scared.
You know what I mean?
It's like, shoot, sometimes youuh there is doubt and it's real.

(53:07):
And um you uh again, you can youcan the the the guaranteed safe
bet is to is to go home or to orto not go for it.
And the other one is shoot,let's see what happens.

SPEAKER_08 (53:18):
Exactly.
I love that approach.

SPEAKER_06 (53:19):
Yeah, and you said tell uh tell the audience what
you told me about the like Hallof Fame kind of situation.
Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (53:25):
So he's uh he's on the edge of he's the kind of
quarterback that could easilyend up in the hall of fame.
Well, the problem with the hallof fame is you have to be out of
football for five years beforethey will even consider you.
So he just reset that clock.

SPEAKER_06 (53:35):
Wow.

SPEAKER_08 (53:36):
So he has to wait another five years.

SPEAKER_06 (53:38):
And you think he'll it's a it's an automatic for
this guy?

SPEAKER_08 (53:40):
No, I don't think it's an automatic.
I think he's a notch above Romo,for example.
I think he's I think he's comingfrom you.
Yeah, I don't know.
I I think he is for overallnumbers.
I think Tony in his prime was alittle better.
But whatever.
Uh but still, Rivers, great guy,10 kids, like good Christian
guy, just a really good dude.
High school football coach.

SPEAKER_06 (53:59):
After you in the NFL, you go coach high school
football.
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
I mean, that's pretty cool.
Yeah.
It does in a weird way have alittle twinge of the Mark
Wahlberg football movie TheInvincible, where he's older.

SPEAKER_08 (54:10):
Vince Papelia?

SPEAKER_06 (54:11):
Is that who he's playing?
I can't.
Of course you know this.
Mark knows the most randomtrivia.
You you need to put him on theJeopardy because it's super
weird the stuff that you canjust pull out of a hat.
Um, I can ask you where yourkeys are.
He has no idea.
No clue.
No clue.
But he knows the name of thefootball player that Mark
Wahlberg played in a movie thatcame out over a decade ago
called Invincible.
But a little bit of that, like,hey, I'm gonna, he kept trying

(54:32):
to make it, kept trying to makethe channel.

SPEAKER_08 (54:33):
Philip Rivers is a you know, he's like a number one
draft pick.
I know, but Ms.
Papalia was like serving drinksat a Philly bar.
Yes.
And they're like, hey, how youdoing?
Come play special teams.
Phillip Rivers is like topdrafted quarterback, play 15
years in the NFL.

SPEAKER_06 (54:49):
I know, but you again, you sit it out for five
years.
I'm just saying, you go back inlater in life.
Also, the baseball movie.
Remember the guy that uh wentback in to be a baseball player
late in life?
I think Kevin Costner played it,and he was like on the side of
the road.
What's that movie?

SPEAKER_08 (55:03):
And he's like, Oh, I think that wasn't Kevin Costner.
That was um, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (55:08):
He's like throwing the pitch and he's doing he it's
a speed sign, and he just wantedto see if he still had the arm.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Remember that?
Yeah, he had the arm, so he wentand tried and he made it too
later in life.

SPEAKER_08 (55:16):
Yeah.
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (55:16):
What's that movie, people?
Why do you send?
Because clearly I'm having likeone of those moments.

SPEAKER_08 (55:20):
All right, let's move on to game day.
Uh, wrap it up here.
Uh, good looking deer.
I mean, I don't know what totell you other than this guy is.
I haven't seen this one before.
We've seen others that areimpressive, but this guy, that's
a good look.
Look at the look at the buckhere, babe.
I mean, come on.

SPEAKER_06 (55:34):
Yes, I'm trying to find the movie.
I'm sorry, it's gonna bug me.

SPEAKER_08 (55:36):
Yeah, but that's a good looking deer.
Okay, it's good looking.
One more.

SPEAKER_06 (55:39):
It's like a little reindeer.

SPEAKER_08 (55:40):
Yeah, we got our our favorite Bobcat comes through.
This guy, he's a big one.
He's big.
This guy just comes rollingthrough.
This was uh last night or thenight before.
So, yeah, a couple nights ago.
But anyway, so 4 47 a.m., youget yourself a nice looking
Bobcat.
All right, so that is it.
We will have much more comingup.

SPEAKER_06 (55:57):
Sorry, it's it's Dennis Quaid.

SPEAKER_08 (55:59):
Dennis Quaid.

SPEAKER_06 (56:00):
It's called The Rookie.
I knew that it, and that's agreat movie, too.
So I'm sorry, it was DennisQuaid, not Kevin Costner.
Anyway, okay, sorry, I didn'tmean to interrupt you, but yes,
go ahead.
Continue on, Mark.
Yes.

SPEAKER_08 (56:09):
Uh, so we will uh we'll have a Christmas episode
right around uh right aroundChristmas or so, and then we'll
take a little break after that.
But thanks for joining us.
Please uh check it out.
Make sure you like and subscribeon our YouTube channel or any
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the season.
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