Halloween Special: A Stalker Story You Have To Hear To Believe

Two true stories frame our Halloween special: a strange night at the Stanley Hotel with unexplained footsteps and misplaced flip-flops, and a yearlong stalking case that escalates from prank calls to an attic discovery. We share how we handled fear then and how we handle it now, with hard-won safety habits and clearer lines.

• Favorite horror picks and why we outgrew them
• Stanley Hotel lore and the fourth floor footsteps
• The elevator flip-flops and staff reactions
• Early prank calls that cross a line
• Window scraping, motion lights, and hang-ups
• The 2 a.m. call that says “I know you’re alone”
• Bathroom evidence and erased messages
• Snow tracks dismissed and rising frustration
• Pressure mat setup and dead ends
• Attic find with food, beer, and a nest
• Leaving fast, no suspect identified
• Later newsroom stalking and stronger response
• Practical takeaways for personal safety

We’ll see you late Tuesday night for our election special with Jessica Perez, the best fundraiser in the state of New Mexico

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_04 (00:06):
Yes.
Ella, you gotta go back up withthat with that slate.
Look at this thing.
Our branding.

SPEAKER_01 (00:11):
Oh, good job.

SPEAKER_04 (00:12):
I mean, this is the Halloween special.
Listen to the new music.
Kind of you're very excited.
I'm very fired up for this.
Nice.
It's very exciting.

SPEAKER_01 (00:20):
Good job, babe.

SPEAKER_04 (00:21):
Okay, so here's the thing, and what we're gonna do.
We've never done this before.
We don't really do specialepisodes that often, but we may
start doing more of them.
We'll see what happens.
Uh but what we want to do istell you two stories that have
kind of been huge stories in ourfamily.
So one has to do with one of themost haunted places in the
country, the Stanley Hotel.
And we had an inexplicable eventthere that we will talk about.

(00:45):
This is the 10-year anniversary,okay?
And then, not that we celebratethat anniversary.
No, we really don't.
We really don't.

SPEAKER_01 (00:51):
And we just found out that it was 10 years when we
looked at photos.
But yes, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 (00:54):
And so this will be uh this is the it's a relatively
quick story.
We'll get through that.
And then one that happened toyou in college, which is is a
little more involved.
It's it is fascinating.
It's fascinating, it's edgy yourseat stuff, I think.
I haven't heard the whole storyfrom you altogether in a long
time, if at all, the wholething.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11):
I know I hope I can, I took notes, so I hope I can
remember and retell it well.
But yeah, it was definitely a uhlife-changing story for me.
Oh happened to be.

SPEAKER_04 (01:23):
When we ended up in the same uh television market
together.
Um, but we'll get to all ofthat.
So we we you know, I know youmentioned you wanted to do
movies and stuff and all this.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32):
I wanted to talk newsy a little bit.
I was like, let's do some littlenews things that have to do with
Halloween.
You know, like I had just readthat, you know, horror movies
are still the one genre that getpeople into the theater.

SPEAKER_02 (01:42):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:42):
And because people like to be scared together, and
you're like, no, we're not doingthis.
No, we're not doing that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:46):
We're just telling these two stories.

SPEAKER_01 (01:47):
Okay, just these stories, but at least let's tell
some people out there maybe ourfavorite Halloween movie.

SPEAKER_03 (01:52):
Okay, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 (01:52):
Okay.
Yeah.
So I have two.
Okay.
Okay, one's a classic thateverybody knows, called
Halloween, the originalHalloween, right?
With Jamie Lee Curtis.
I think they made that movie forlike a million bucks.
Yeah.
Great movie.
Yep, I'm not sure.
I still I think that one stillholds up over time.

SPEAKER_03 (02:04):
I agree.

SPEAKER_01 (02:04):
But now I have one that's like really out there.
I don't know if you can stillfind it.
I haven't watched it in years.
It's called The Changeling, andit's with George C.
Scott.
It was made in the 70s.

SPEAKER_04 (02:13):
There's an Angelina Jolie movie called The
Changeling.

SPEAKER_01 (02:16):
Yeah, not to be confused with that one.
Okay.
Got it.
So it's the George C.
Scott, The Changeling, oldwheelchair, creepy old guy,
little tiny boy who dies.
It is, I saw it in like sixthgrade at a sleepover.

SPEAKER_02 (02:28):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (02:28):
Scared the daylights out of me.
Much more of a deeper storyline.
It's not a slasher.

SPEAKER_03 (02:33):
Got it.

SPEAKER_01 (02:34):
It's more of a storyline.
Okay.
So uh okay, tell tell Ella, youyou dive in.

SPEAKER_00 (02:37):
What's your favorite?
We got this.
Okay.
So my favorite like horrorHalloween movie is definitely
Scream.
The original.

SPEAKER_04 (02:46):
The original, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (02:46):
First one.
So well.

SPEAKER_04 (02:47):
Def Campbell, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (02:49):
Me and Dad tried to go watch the newer ones in the
theater.
They were pretty bad.
They have no plots.

SPEAKER_02 (02:55):
Yeah.
Pretty lame.

SPEAKER_00 (02:56):
But the original Scream is pretty good.
And I actually do really likeit.
I don't know if that's supposedto be a Halloween movie.
Yeah, I think it's a scarymovie.
I also like it.
And they came out with a TV showof it like two days ago.

unknown (03:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (03:08):
I can't handle those.
I love it.
I think it's good.

SPEAKER_01 (03:11):
You can't do it anymore.
I'm yeah, I check out on scarymovies now.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (03:14):
But yeah, those two are my favorite.
Death.
Yeah.
Well, I grew up watching allbecause I had older brothers.
So we'd watch all the Friday the13th.

SPEAKER_01 (03:20):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (03:21):
You'd watch uh all the Halloween's.
Those were all excellent.
Um Children of the Corn is apretty scary movie.

SPEAKER_01 (03:28):
Malachi.

SPEAKER_04 (03:29):
Oh Lord.
And when the when the when thewhen the demon ends up
underneath the the uh dirt andit just kind of rolls.
It's it's pretty terrifying.
Yeah.
So yeah, there's some of thatstuff.
Yeah, it's interesting.
I always loved horror movies asa kid.
I don't, you know, we don'twatch them as much now unless
Ella wants to go see something.

SPEAKER_01 (03:45):
Yeah, I I pee uh the second I had kids, I was like,
and I'm done.

SPEAKER_04 (03:49):
Yeah, and I'm done with the horror movies.
I am done with it.

SPEAKER_01 (03:51):
Like I was like, I worry now so much about my kids,
anything happening to them.
It kind of took the joy out oflike being scared.
I was like, I know I naturallyjust live now with a certain
level of fear, I think.
Just in general, just but I'drather just like have a rom-com
or a comedy now.
So anyway, okay, well, let'sjump in and tell this first
story.

SPEAKER_04 (04:09):
Here we go.
Yeah.
All right, so I'll tackle thisfirst one.
So we go back to September of2015.
What we used to always do withthe girls is we take them out of
school for a week, usually rightaround the second, third, or
fourth week in September.
And we would go up to Colorado,um, where we had a place in
Breckenridge, where we'd go upthere for three, four days, and
then we'd go make a few otherstops along the way.

(04:29):
And in 2015, we made three stopsthat year.
One of them was uh Grand Lake,which is beautiful.
This is you and I at Grand Lakethat year.
Uh, if you guys have not been toGrand Lake, this is Grand Lake
Lodge.
Yeah, we love it.
It's beautiful.
It really is.
It's a great place to go.
Uh, it's a beautiful lake, it'sincredible.
The girls, we spent four days inBreckenridge, which they grew up

(04:51):
in Breckenridge, you know, goingto Breckenridge all the time.
This is the the woods right nearwhere the house is.
Look how cute you got.
Look how cute they are.
They are little nuggets righthere.
Yes, too.
So we had a we had a great trip,as I remember.
It was a few years.

SPEAKER_01 (05:04):
Yeah, we were checking out the fall leaves.
It was beautiful.

SPEAKER_04 (05:06):
That's why you go there at that time because the
fall leaves are peaking rightaround the second, third week in
in September.
This happened to be the fourthweek.
We were a little later thisyear, but it was still
incredible.
So we wrapped that trip on ourway back down.
Instead of just going fromBreckenridge all the way back
down to Albuquerque, we hookedover and we went to the Stanley
Hotel.

SPEAKER_01 (05:22):
Yeah, we went through Rocky Mount National
Park and then ended up at theStanley.

SPEAKER_04 (05:26):
Which is, for those of you who haven't been to the
Stanley, it's a cool hotel.
It's it's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 (05:30):
I wanted us to get married there, remember?

SPEAKER_04 (05:31):
Yeah, yeah, and I can see why.
It's it's got some great stuff.
Now, at this point back in 2015,the Stanley was doing something
sort of interesting where theyhad really jumped onto the
haunting thing.
And for those of you who don'tknow, the the Stanley is where
Stephen King went when he wroteThe Shining.
So he stayed in a room at theStanley and was inspired to

(05:53):
write The Shining, which is ofcourse the Jack Nicholson movie
where he goes up to a a TheOverlook Hotel.
The Overlook Hotel.
It's supposed to be Colorado, Ithink.

SPEAKER_01 (06:04):
It's supposed to be in Colorado, I think, and he's
supposed to be like uh thegatekeeper or the water.
Right.
He's got to stay there over thewinter.

SPEAKER_04 (06:09):
He's got to stay there over the winter and he
goes crazy.
And he tries to kill his wifeand goes after his kids and
everything else, right?
And so what's interesting isthey actually shot it.
They didn't shoot it at theStanley.
They shot it at the TimberlineHotel in Oregon at the base of
Mount Hood.
Okay, so that's where it'sactually shot, or at least the

(06:29):
exteriors were actually shot inOregon.
So it was not shot in Colorado.

SPEAKER_01 (06:34):
Dumb and Dumber were filmed at the Stanley, though.

SPEAKER_04 (06:36):
Dumb and Dumber was filmed at the beginning at the
Stanley.
Where Lloyd Christmas is handingout cash at the front of the
Stanley Hotel.

SPEAKER_01 (06:43):
In the bar, they just filmed the bar scene there
and things like that.
Anyway.

SPEAKER_04 (06:46):
But anybody who watched the The Shining
remembers that there is a maze.
There's a maze in the front ofthe hotel, okay?
Well, that's in Oregon.
Okay, there was an Oregon orwhatever.
They they probably shot it inHollywood.
And so they never had that mazein Colorado.
Right.
Okay, in front of the hotel.
But you can see here, they madeone.

(07:06):
Yeah, they did it.
Right.
So around 2015, they were tryingto do this.
Now, by the way, for those ofyou who are kind of curious, or
those of you who've been theresince, this did not work out.
These trees didn't grow verywell, but you can see me with
both Ava and Ella.
I think Ella's closest to mehere.
And then Ava's right ahead ofher.
We we walked around, they triedto make it this little maze.
They were doing all sorts ofstuff because they were trying

(07:28):
to boost the amount of peoplethat went through the hotel.
I don't think it was going tobe.

SPEAKER_01 (07:31):
Yeah, they had ghost tours.
They did a lot of you knowevents at night.
You could go and hear ghoststories and experiences that
people had had in this hotel,which it was very famous for
actual real haunting things thathad happened.
And so I grew up loving thishotel.
I spent my 21st birthday there,my 18th birthday there.
I mean, it was a special placefor our family, and we'd go for

(07:51):
like special events type ofthing.

SPEAKER_04 (07:53):
So yeah, and so yeah, we run it around.
And by the way, here's a littlething.
Again, them trying to capitalizeon the shining.
These are the Grady daughterswho were who were part of the
shining and the breadroom andthe whole situation.

SPEAKER_01 (08:06):
Sticking their face through the little cupboards.

SPEAKER_04 (08:08):
There's a little scrap giving her uh her little
thing on the right there.
Very good, Ella.
That's a good looking shot ofyou.
No question about it.
So we get into the hotel, and itwas a fairly uneventful as we
check in.
We had a lot of bags becausewe'd been gone for over a week.
We'd, you know, been all aroundColorado.
So we get in to our room and wewe dump everything in the room.

(08:29):
And actually, here is, Ibelieve, the room.
So Ella, I think it's pictureright after picture eight, it's
picture nine.
Uh, I'm pretty sure this is theroom.
Yeah.
Okay, that's where the girlswere staying.
Yeah.
Right there.
And if you turn to the to theleft there, that's where our
bedroom was back in there.
Okay.
So this is on the fourth floorof the Stanley Hotel.

(08:50):
The fourth floor of the StanleyHotel is broadly, and this is
the fourth floor you're lookingat right here, is broadly
believed to be the most hauntedfloor at the Stanley.
This was the first time and theonly time we ever we've ever
stayed on the fourth floor.
Okay.
And it's not like we werelooking for the most.

SPEAKER_01 (09:06):
No, we weren't like we weren't even that wasn't even
entering our mind.

SPEAKER_04 (09:09):
No, no, not at all.
Not at all.
And so we we just happened toget this room.
We didn't know the fourth floorwas the most haunted.
Nobody told us.
Yeah.
Right.
But but anyway, so we get there,we put everything in the room,
and leave our bags there, andthen we head down and we had
dinner at the main restaurant.

SPEAKER_01 (09:26):
And it's important to note that we took the
elevator up to our room.

SPEAKER_04 (09:30):
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (09:30):
We took the elevator back down to go to the to this
restaurant, which is where theyalso film Dumb and Dumber, by
the way.
In this little bar.

SPEAKER_04 (09:38):
You take a look at it again.

SPEAKER_01 (09:39):
This is another This is the bar slash restaurant in
the in the lobby of the Stanley.

SPEAKER_04 (09:44):
Yeah.
Uh and I don't have any realrecollection of dinner.
It seemed to be fine.
Yeah.
Uh the food there's fairly good.
Nice restaurant.
And so we go to dinner and thenwe go back to the room that
night.
And it was a fairly uneventfulnight.
Is we got the girls ready to goto bed, as we usually do.
And you know, I just was, it waskind of I don't know why.

SPEAKER_01 (10:04):
But then it was pretty empty, by the way.
That was the other thing Iremember is that the hotel did
not have a lot of people there,which is why they put us on the
fourth floor, by the way, if Irecall.
It's because it wasn't supercrowded.

SPEAKER_02 (10:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (10:14):
And so I think that's a like a high request
floor.
And we didn't request it, butthey were like, oh yeah, you're
in luck.
We're putting you in the fourthfloor.
We're like, okay.

SPEAKER_04 (10:24):
Whatever.

SPEAKER_01 (10:24):
So there just wasn't a lot of people there.
There wasn't a lot of buzz goingon.
It wasn't crowded.
We didn't have a bunch of peopleon our floor, all that kind of
stuff.

SPEAKER_04 (10:30):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So uh we finish dinner and goback, get the girls ready.
They go to bed.
You and I hang out for a while,but then eventually fall asleep.
About two o'clock in themorning.
Um, I hear thunderous steps downthe hallway by our room.
Like, like running by our room.

(10:52):
And I I you know, I'm like,whoa.
And that's something you hear alot about at the Stanley.
Never happened to me before.
We probably stayed there half adozen times.
And so I fly out of bed becausethe girls are in the other room,
and I'm like, where are thegirls?
So they're they're in bed.

SPEAKER_01 (11:08):
Right, because you kind of thought it might be the
girls running down the hall.

SPEAKER_04 (11:10):
I didn't know what yeah, I didn't know what the
deal was.
So then they're there, and thenI immediately open the door,
look out in the hallway, andthere's nothing there.
Just dead silence.
Nobody out in the hallway,nobody walking through, nothing.
And this shot me out of bed.
It was not kind of one of those.
Did I hear something?
I knew exactly what it was.
And so I kind of said somethingto you.

(11:32):
You're like, okay, or I don'tknow.
Did you even hear it?

SPEAKER_01 (11:35):
I didn't hear it.
You you did, but you were real,I just remember you being very
um worried.
Because you were like, it wasreally loud, and it's like it
was, it was really it wasunmistakable.
Yeah.
And then you were so scared thatyou thought it had to do with
our girls.
That's what I remember.
And I was like, Well, the girlsare fine, everybody's fine, go
back to sleep.

SPEAKER_04 (11:51):
Yeah.
And so that they're I never getthem up, and we get up the next
morning, and we're leavingpretty early the next morning.
So so we get we get going.
Uh all our bags are or we didn'treally unpack at all.

SPEAKER_01 (12:03):
We were there for like less than 12 hours, really.

SPEAKER_04 (12:06):
Yes.
And so we get all our stuff.
You, of course, pack massivebags, and you had the biggest
bag in the family, as usual.
Everybody had their stuff, andthen because we had these heavy
bags, you can go down one of twoways.
You can go down the stairs.
Uh, we just didn't because wehave all the heavy bags.
We've been using the theelevator.
And so we all walk out of theroom and we walk over to the

(12:26):
elevator, and I push the youknow, elevator button all the
way down to the lobby.
Or, you know, push the downbutton.
And the elevator comes up, andthe elevator door opens.

SPEAKER_01 (12:39):
And in the middle of the elevator floor are my
flip-flops, which sounds reallyweird, but my flip-flops are
super unusual.
And we made this picture, orMark made this picture with AI
to kind of give you a exactlywhat it looked like.
But that's what it looked like.
And the the I brought theflip-flops because my family
makes fun of these flip-flops.

(12:59):
So I brought them to show youguys.
But they're Title IX flip-flopsfrom old old time and they block
your toe, right?
So, because I have problems withmy big toe.
My I my toenail has been hasbeen broken.
So I protect my big toe.
So they're really ugly, right?
People think these are ugly.
I love them.
I wear them like house slippers.
And the reason that this was soodd was because I didn't unpack
them at the Stanley.

(13:20):
They were in the bottom of mybag, and I never brought them
out at all.
And so we're leaving.
We the elevator opens up, andthere are my two, very clearly,
they're mine, my flip-flops inthe middle of this elevator.
And I look at Mark and I'm like,very funny.
And you're like, what?
And I'm like, did you put thosethere?
And and you're like, uh, I hadnothing to do with this.

(13:43):
So, you know, I asked the girls.
The girls are clueless.
They're they had no idea.
They had no idea.
They were too little.
And so I was like, This is soweird.
So I remember going down to thefront lobby and we checked out
and I said, Hey, I know this isgonna sound weird, but number
one, did you have like a groupof people upstairs running
around in the middle of thenight?
Were there, did you hear of anyright activity?
She goes, Oh, did you hearchildren running?

(14:03):
And we said something like that.
It sounded like running down thehall.
And she goes, We do get a lot ofuh occurrences with that, and we
believe that is the ghost that'son the fourth floor.
And we're like, Okay.
And then I said, Here's anotherone for you.
And I told her about my flip.
I had them in my hand.
I'm like, uh these myflip-flops, and I'm trying to
explain this because it's soweird.
And she's like, Yeah.

(14:25):
And I said, Was anybody in ourroom last night?
Would there be any chance thatsomebody got in her room?
And she said, No, nobody was inyour room.
And and I said, Okay.
And I felt kind of like I waslosing my mind.
But she said, you know, weirdthings happen.
People's items will show upthroughout the hotel.
And I just thought, okay, itdidn't fall out of my bag.
We were in the elevator, goingup to the room, down for dinner,
and back up, and nothing was inthat elevator until the next

(14:48):
morning.
And then these shoes that werein the very bottom of my bag
that are very distinctly notlike anybody else's, right, are
in the middle of this elevator.

SPEAKER_04 (14:58):
And if they had been, you know, whatever, she
had forgotten them there orwhatever, there's no way that
they'd have been there if theyfell out of her bag, which they
didn't because they couldn'thave.
Right.
They wouldn't have sat there forfor a day going up and down.
We had been in that elevatormultiple times.
This is completelyunexplainable.
And I'm not Mr.
Ghost Guy.

SPEAKER_00 (15:14):
Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_04 (15:15):
I'm really not, but but I there is no way to explain
what happened here unlesssomebody from the hotel goes in,
takes your flip-flops, right,while we're out at dinner.
Right.
That's the only thing we couldcome up with.
That we're out at dinner, theytake your flip-flops, and then
they know that basically we'rechecking out in the morning.
They stick the flip-flops inthere and hope that someone else
doesn't grab them and returnthem to the front of the hotel.

(15:36):
I none of it makes any sense.
Yeah, none of it makes anysense.
And you take a huge chance at ahotel if you go and do something
like that and you go grabsomebody's stuff.
I mean, especially in this dayand age where you could easily
stick a camera in that hotelroom and watch them come in and
do it.
And if you do, you're busted.

SPEAKER_01 (15:51):
Plus, it would just be like I would think if
somebody was really going tocome and try to take something
of mine to scare us orsomething, they wouldn't dig
through the bottom of my bag forrandom house flip-flops,
basically.
I mean, they were buried in thebottom of this massive bag.
So I again, I don't think any Ihave no explanation for it.
It was one of those weird thingsthat we've never been able to
explain.
But anyway, that's our littleStanley story.

SPEAKER_04 (16:12):
So that is it.
Okay.
So yeah, that's the quick one.
All right.
So here we go.

SPEAKER_01 (16:16):
All right.

SPEAKER_04 (16:16):
Here we go.
So I so we want to start here.
So this story goes back to 1992.
You are starting your sophomoreyear at Colorado State
University.
Your freshman year you spent inthe dorms.
Is that right?
Yeah.
Okay.
So your sophomore year, you weregoing to move in with friends?

SPEAKER_01 (16:33):
Uh, well, yeah.
I so Lynette, my friend fromhigh school, I bumped into her
in the summer, and uh, this isLynette and I.
And she had said, I I she knew Ineeded a roommate because that
my dormate, um, my friend wasn'tgonna continue at CSU at the
time.
So I needed a place to go.
And she said, Hey, we have aroommate moving out of our
bedroom, uh, out of our house.
Would you like to move in?
We're renting this house andit's pretty affordable, blah,
blah, blah.

(16:54):
And I was like, Yeah, thatsounds like a great plan.
So I I agreed.
And I basically that I that theend of that summer, I was moving
in.
And I was the first one to moveback in because Lynette was up
in Wyoming.
That's where she her parentslived.

SPEAKER_04 (17:09):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (17:09):
So I move in.

SPEAKER_04 (17:10):
So it's August, roughly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (17:12):
Like late August.

SPEAKER_04 (17:13):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (17:13):
I move in and I asked permission to paint my
room.
And so I was there with adifferent friend and we're there
pretty late.
Uh, but I'll show you the thehouse, the way the house looked.

SPEAKER_04 (17:22):
Yeah.
Um, so this is uh this issomething we grabbed off of
Zillow.
Yeah.
But this is the house.

SPEAKER_01 (17:27):
It is the house.
Now I did have grass and it didhave um lots of overgrown trees
at the time.

SPEAKER_04 (17:31):
But this looks like a place, a flop house for
chicks.

SPEAKER_01 (17:34):
Yeah, it was a great house.
It was a great rental house.
Yeah, and it wasn't far fromcampus.
It was great.

SPEAKER_04 (17:39):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (17:39):
And so um we uh I moved in and I was painting my
room, and it was late at night.
It was like 10 or 10:30.

SPEAKER_04 (17:46):
And this is your room.

SPEAKER_01 (17:47):
This was my room.
Yeah, I did not look like thatat the time, but yes, I was
painting it, and um, the phonerang, and it was pretty late.
And you know, this is 1992, sothere was no cell phone.
Yeah, home phone.
It was the home phone mass.
And there was one phone in thiswhole house, right?
We had one phone.
Yeah, and so I go out to answerit and I pick it up, and this
voice says, this guy says, Hey,so are you the new roommate?

(18:07):
And I said, Yeah.
And he's like, What's your name?
And I'm like, Oh, I'm Christy,who are you?
Da-da-da.
And instead of answering me,he's like, uh, he's like, Oh,
are you friends with Lynettethen?
Like, and I was like, Yeah, I'mreally good friends with
Lynette.
What's going on?
Because I just assume, okay, I'mgonna meet this person.

SPEAKER_02 (18:20):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (18:20):
And he's like, So I have a question for you.
I'm like, Yeah, what's up?
And he's like, What size bra doyou wear?

SPEAKER_02 (18:25):
Whoa.

SPEAKER_01 (18:26):
And I was like, wait, what?
And he's like, Yeah, what sizebra are you?
And I was like, Okay, bye-bye.
So I hang up the phone.
And I don't really think much ofit at this point.
I'm like, okay, whatever, crackcall, what crank call, whatever.
Like, who knows?
Whatever.
So I I kind of go on with mybusiness.
Um, so maybe fast forward like aweek or so, and we all hold on.

SPEAKER_04 (18:44):
It would it would appear to me that that if if I
had gotten that call and I'myou, and they know they know
Lynette's name, and they ask youthat question, it never occurs
to you right then, like, whatwhat's going on here?

SPEAKER_01 (18:59):
No, because not at the time, because number one, I
hadn't moved in yet.
I was just painting the room.
I was there to paint the roomand I was like staying at my
mom's room.
So I'd crash back at my mom'sfor the summer.

SPEAKER_04 (19:08):
Okay, so you so so no alarms go off at this point.

SPEAKER_01 (19:10):
No, even though they are- I just figured it was some
like foolish guy that knewLynette and was playing a prank
on me and trying to be funny.
Right.
I didn't overthink it.
I wasn't like, oh, this is soscary.
No, none of that.
So I go back to my mom's for,you know, like that week or
whatever, and then we all movein at the same time.
So Lynette comes back, and therewas a third roommate that was
there with us for a littlewhile, um, for part of that

(19:31):
year, and then she ended upmoving out.
But um, so we all get backtogether, and the whole plan is,
hey, we're gonna have friendsover and we're gonna watch a
scary movie.
So this is like right as schoolis kicking off.

SPEAKER_02 (19:41):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (19:41):
And we had a really teeny, you would have been so
disappointed.
We had a really teeny like ourtelevision was literally as it
was literally as big as my face.
It was so tiny.
That's not great.
So we're all crowded around thislittle television where I don't
remember what movie we'rewatching, something scary.
And I'm like, ooh, I'm gettingkind of chilly.
So I'm gonna run to my roomreally fast to change.
So I run back to my bedroom,which is what Ella had shown.

SPEAKER_04 (20:00):
Yeah, the bedroom.

SPEAKER_01 (20:01):
And at the time there were blinds on this
window, and and I had themclosed.
They were like those Venetianblinds, those little cheap metal
things.
And um, and as I'm changing, Ican hear scraping noises outside
on that window.
And I'm like, oh, that's kind ofweird.
But I'm thinking, oh, okay, it'swindy, so it's must, and we're
watching a scary movie.
This is all must be in my head.
So I come back and I sit down onthe couch with everybody.

(20:23):
I'm like, oh, I just heard likesome scraping noises outside my
window.
It's pretty scary.
Well, Lynette and the otherroommate pause the movie and
they look at me and they look ateach other and they're like,
there was scraping outside.
And I was like, Well, I mean, Ijust I thought I heard something
out in my outside my bedroomwindow, but I I don't know.
It's probably just the wind.
Well, we have a whole group offriends there with us, like

(20:45):
guys, girls, there's a whole mixof people there.
And these two, Lynette and theother girl, get up right away
and they're like, Let's go look.
And I was like, You guys, thisis nothing.
So we all go out like singlefile, go out through the
kitchen, through the garage andout the backyard.
And we walk over, and this isthe backyard.
And so, like, this tree wasstill, this is still the tree
that was there.

SPEAKER_02 (21:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (21:05):
And that's actually, I know it's hard to tell, but
it's aiming us towards the Yeah,the house is actually on the
left side of the screen here.

SPEAKER_04 (21:12):
So someone could if if they were looking here, they
could hide behind that tree andlook right into where you guys
are.
Correct.
On the left on the left sidethere.

SPEAKER_01 (21:19):
Well, it's even scarier than that.
So if you kind of look in on, Idon't know if you can zoom in on
that picture or not, um, butthere's a patio.
You can kind of see we had alittle back patio.
Right, right there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
And we had a ton of patiofurniture.
Sure.
Okay.
So we come out that back doorright there, and we walk over
and underneath my window, I'llnever forget this.
It was dark.
Underneath my window, the patiofurniture had been moved over

(21:43):
underneath my window.
Because if you notice in thatbedroom shot, my window kind of
set up.
It was a little higher for aranch style house.
Yeah.
And I had the city.

SPEAKER_04 (21:51):
So he's got to put so someone, if they were gonna
look in, puts the chair on theoutside of the, and that's where
it's exactly where it's set up.

SPEAKER_01 (21:58):
Exactly where it's set up.
It's right underneath my window.
So we all kind of stared at eachother and they're like, let's
move this.
So we all just move the patiofurniture, not back to the
patio, by the way.
We move it back into the garage.
And they look at me and they'relike, It's time we need to tell
her.

SPEAKER_04 (22:10):
And I was like, Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (22:13):
I was like, tell me what.
So we go back in, and again,this is like my two roommates
and all of our friends, and theysaid, So we had the situation
last spring.
So just they had just like rightbefore summer had hit, where
they had some occurrences thathad happened.
And I said, Okay, like tell meone thing that had happened.
And they had said that the theroommate that had had my bedroom

(22:36):
prior that I was replacing, shewas changing one day.

unknown (22:40):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (22:41):
And in our the on the closet doors, which I looked
to see if the those house theroom had a closet door still on
there, but they were mirrored,very 1990s, right?

SPEAKER_04 (22:49):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 (22:50):
And on these mirrored doors, you could see
back in the backyard.

SPEAKER_04 (22:53):
Sure, you could see back through the window into the
backyard.

SPEAKER_01 (22:55):
And she was changing and she could see in her
reflection, and the sun wasgoing down, but she could see in
her reflection that there was aguy standing in front of that
tree.
So go back to that the the shotwith the tree, else.
We'll get to that shot in aminute.
But if you go back to the shotof the tree, okay, he was
leaning up against the tree andhe had a baseball hat on.

SPEAKER_04 (23:13):
Right on the left side, inside of the tree.
Inside the tree, so in betweenthe tree and the house.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (23:17):
And just staring at her.
So she got so freaked out thatshe just hit the light off of
her bedroom and hit the floor.
And then crawled out apparentlyof the of my bedroom, which was
her bedroom at the time, andkind of warned the other girls.
So they tell me this and theysaid, and we've had a couple of
weird phone calls, but you know,I don't think it's anything.
We never figured out who it was.
And this was several months ago.
But I said, Okay, well, let metell you about the phone call I

(23:38):
had on the day I was painting.

SPEAKER_04 (23:39):
Oh, so this is when you told them.
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (23:41):
I tell them this, and they're like, oh no, this
can't be starting all overagain, right?
So they kind of because they hadmoved out over the summer too.

SPEAKER_04 (23:47):
So at this point, are you are you frustrated or
mad at all at them?
Like, what are you doing?
Like, you should not have youshould have told me this.

SPEAKER_01 (23:55):
No, I'm still not mad because I'm still excited.
You have to keep in mind thatlike I had lived in a dorm, and
then this was my firstapartment, really.
Like, I just moved into a house.
I was super excited.
I had new roommates.
Okay.
College was starting.
I loved college.
Yeah, I was pretty fired off.
I I was really excited.
So I was like, oh, whatever thisis, it's gonna end up being
some, you know, buddy that likedthe other girl that had moved

(24:17):
out.
That was kind of what I wasthinking.

SPEAKER_02 (24:19):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (24:19):
Is making sure that, like, oh, that guy probably
liked her, and I don't know.
So that's what I was thinking.
Well, then strange things wouldjust start happening.
Right.
Like we'd come home and thelights would be on in our house.
Um, every time we kind of camehome, there would be um the
phone would ring.
And so this like, and we'd pickit up and that they would hang
up.

SPEAKER_04 (24:39):
So wait, you guys would consciously turn off
lights?

SPEAKER_01 (24:42):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (24:42):
And then come back and they'd be on.

SPEAKER_01 (24:43):
Correct.
Because again, you guys.
Well, we don't know that, butit's just weird things are
happening at the time that we'renot really putting all the
puzzle pieces together.
Okay.
It wasn't like we were likeinstantly like, oh, somebody's
been in here, but just I'm justit was it was like this reminder
of weird things that would startto happen.
Lights would be left on.
Yeah.
There was always a the phonewould always ring right as one

(25:05):
of us walked in the door.
Okay.
So, and then you'd go and answerit, inevitably they would hang
up on us.
Okay.
Okay.
So that was like a timed thing.
And and then so wait a minute.

SPEAKER_04 (25:15):
If this person, because there are no cell
phones.

SPEAKER_01 (25:17):
No, there's no cell phones.

SPEAKER_04 (25:18):
So the so this person knows the minute you get
home.

SPEAKER_01 (25:21):
Correct.

SPEAKER_04 (25:21):
Or he's calling you.
So does that mean that he's uhuh uh living within eye shot of
you?

SPEAKER_01 (25:29):
Well, again, we're not cluing into any of that.
We just think keep thinking atthis point these are some crank
calls, right?
Okay, yeah.
And then some weird things starthappening, like Lynette's
dresser has been rifled throughone day.
And we don't know for sure ifthey took anything, but it was
definitely her like personal,like like her underwear, right,
yeah.
Uh drawer had been rifledthrough and some stuff like

(25:50):
that, and then lights were lefton.
So it was just kind of thisweird, creepy feeling that you
were like, was somebody here?
Was somebody not here?
And so I did little things.
Like my mom got me this beeper,and this it was like a bee break
I put on my nightstand, and youtake the pen out of it, it
screams.
It's like a screaming beeper,right?
So I had that, I had pepperspray on my keychain, and I kind
of was like, okay, this is all Ireally need.

SPEAKER_04 (26:11):
So this is a slow kind of march toward correct,
toward sort of almost a paranoiaover time because more and more
things start to happen, right?
I mean, is that is that fair?
Like it, you don't get there inone day, right?
No, no, no.
It's little stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (26:25):
So when the when the when we finally had the dresser
go on th gone through, we calledthe cops.
And that was the first memory Ihave of us calling calling the
cops.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (26:33):
How how roughly when was this?

SPEAKER_01 (26:35):
I'd probably been there a month by this time.

SPEAKER_04 (26:37):
Okay, so it's it's progressing pretty quick.

SPEAKER_01 (26:38):
We have phone calls, we have uh lights left on, and
we have uh dresser drawer gonethrough.
Okay.
Cops come, we tell them allthis, we're probably really
excited, you know, knowing us atthe time.
And I'm 19 years old, so we havea lot of energy.
And I think uh they didn't takeany, they were like, mm-hmm,
mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Thank you so much.
You're fine.
Like basically, like kind ofblew us off.

(26:59):
Thought that we were just beingfrivolous.
Just said thanks for letting usknow, let us know if something
else happens, and they left.
Okay.
That was kind of the end ofthat.
So I was like, all right,whatever.
I guess this is no big deal.
Well, then um I I would Istarted to tell my brother about
this stuff happening.
And he was in college at thesame time with me.
So he came over one night with abuddy and sat in that backyard.

SPEAKER_02 (27:22):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (27:23):
And at night, and he had his shotgun.

SPEAKER_02 (27:25):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (27:26):
And he thought, maybe this person is hiding out
in your backyard.

SPEAKER_02 (27:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (27:30):
Because they he obviously, and see you can see
how big our backyard was.
Huge backyard.
And if you think about it atnight, how how like you couldn't
see to the back fence.
So there was a back fence.
I can't even tell if there's aback fence back there.

SPEAKER_04 (27:41):
Yeah, this is a perspective looking from the
house straight out.
Yeah, and that's somebody else'shouse.
That is somebody else's house onanother road.

SPEAKER_01 (27:46):
But there was a chain link fence right there.
I can't tell if there still isor not, or if there's a fence
there.
Some sort of fence.
And then there's a road there.
Right, you can see it.
Yeah, there's a road.

SPEAKER_03 (27:53):
You can see it.

SPEAKER_01 (27:54):
So um, my brother came and camped out one night
and and thought, okay, thisseems weird.
And he never he didn't seeanything, but he said, Listen,
I'm gonna put motion lights upfor you guys in the backyard.

SPEAKER_03 (28:03):
Yeah, good call.
So he installs Justin's a goodbrother.
Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 (28:06):
So he's a good brother.
So he puts up motion lights forus, and then becomes the
pattern, and this is what we didevery single night.
Okay, you come in the door, youwalk, and I have a picture of
the living room that shows youinto the entrance of the
kitchen, Els, if you want toshow that one.
So that's the front door on theright.
Okay, you come through theliving room and that's the
kitchen.
Then you'd walk through.
Yeah, better floors than we everhad, by the way.

(28:28):
But you go through that kitchen,and then if you look at the
picture of the kitchen, that'sthe window of the kitchen, yeah,
which had a very heinous 1970sblind on it at the time.

SPEAKER_02 (28:36):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (28:37):
But so our pattern was, and the phone was in the
kitchen, the one phone with theanswering machine.

SPEAKER_04 (28:41):
We had the phone jack right there, it looks like.

SPEAKER_01 (28:43):
That's the old school phone.
We had a table that sat rightthere, and the phone was right
there.

SPEAKER_02 (28:47):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (28:48):
And the answering machine was there, and then the
blind.
So what we would do is the blindwas shut all the time because we
just didn't know what was goingon, right?
Right, right.

So the pattern was this (28:55):
you walked in the front door, you
didn't turn on any lights, andyou would walk through and go to
that kitchen window.

SPEAKER_02 (29:02):
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (29:03):
You would peek through, yeah.
Yeah, walk through, and thenyou'd peek through the blind and
see if you saw anybody outthere, or to see if the motion
lights had gone off.

SPEAKER_02 (29:10):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (29:11):
This was a occurrence that we did every, it
was like a habit.
You this is what you did.
And literally within one to twominutes of us getting home, the
phone would ring.
And then it became that he wouldstart talking to us.
Okay.
So there became a point where hestopped hanging up and he would
start having conversations withus.
By this point, he knew my name.
Okay.
By this point, he knew Lynette'sname.

SPEAKER_04 (29:30):
And he knew by probably by your voice.

SPEAKER_01 (29:33):
He'd be like, So is this Christy or Lynette?

SPEAKER_04 (29:35):
Okay, that kind of stuff.
Okay, so that's so then you lookyou're knowing that he's not
looking at you at that moment,being able to tell who you are.

SPEAKER_01 (29:41):
And here I am.
I'm thinking I'm little misindependent, and I'm gonna catch
this guy, right?
And I'm gonna be smarter thanthis guy.
So I'd be like, Yeah, who areyou and what do you want?
And you know, are you like, areyou getting your kicks by like
calling us every day?
Like, woo, I hope you're havinga good time.
Like I was trying to be prettylike tough girl, kind of.
And he would never reveal anyinformation back.
But this became An ongoingpattern.

(30:01):
So to the point where when youwere coming in at night, you
were so terrified lookingthrough that blind, you did not
want the motion lights to begoing off.
Because if the motion lightswent off, that meant he was in
the backyard.
And one night I'll never forget,I came and I peeked out the
blind, and I could see him hopthe fence because the lights

(30:23):
were triggered.
So I opened up the blind, lightswere triggered, and I could see
a guy jump that back fence andrun down that back road.
And I'm like, oh great.
So I was just like, this guy isdefinitely in our backyard.
Okay.
And he's making this kind of aregular thing.
So we created kind of a system.
And by this point, the thirdroommate had moved out.

SPEAKER_04 (30:42):
She was it because of this?

SPEAKER_01 (30:43):
No, it wasn't because of this.
I think it was like a she justneeded to go back home or
something.
I can't remember all the detailson that one, but she just chose
not to stay with us anymore.
And so we were kind of thinkingabout getting a third roommate,
but Lynette and I got alongreally, really well.
So we were like, whatever.

SPEAKER_04 (30:56):
You guys are nice enough to invite someone else
into this disaster.

SPEAKER_01 (30:59):
Well, so again, again, Mark, you have to
understand that at the time Iwasn't scared in a way that I
thought this person was gonna doanything.

SPEAKER_02 (31:07):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (31:07):
I don't know, that's probably a terrible I idea, but
I didn't think that it would doanything.
So um, so my um so we so at thispoint, like it's just down to
the two of us.

SPEAKER_04 (31:19):
And and when roughly is this?

SPEAKER_01 (31:21):
This is probably oh, towards the end of the first
semester.

SPEAKER_04 (31:26):
Oh, so it's this really does go pretty quick.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (31:29):
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
It's intense.
It's in it's crazy.
So we basically make this packthat we are never going to be in
the house alone at night.
So we both worked atrestaurants.
Lynette and I were both serversat like the happy, you know,
happy little restaurants in theday.
I was at Applebee's, she was atlike Lone Star or whatever those
restaurants were back in theday.

(31:50):
And we just had a deal thatlike, if we were gonna not come
home that night, like if she wasgonna go stay with friends or
whatever, um, or if I was gonnago stay with my mom or whatever,
we would let each other know.
That was our plan.
So you would never be left alonein the house.

SPEAKER_02 (32:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (32:03):
So I get home from work one night and I end up
going to bed, and I assume thatyou know, Lynette's gonna be
there soon, and she's gonna goto bed.
And so um the phone rings atclassic like 2 a.m.
Oh yeah, and I look at theclock, and again, the phone is
all the way in the kitchen.

SPEAKER_04 (32:22):
Holy cow.

SPEAKER_01 (32:23):
Are you freaking out?
No, not really.

SPEAKER_04 (32:26):
You think it's Lynette?

SPEAKER_01 (32:27):
I think it's no, I think Lynette's in bed.
So I'm like, Lynette, get thephone.
Lynette, get the phone, andshe's not getting the phone, so
I'm like, okay, whatever, I'llgo get the phone.
So I'm walking out.

SPEAKER_04 (32:34):
By the way, no, hold on, hold on.
No answering machine, right?

SPEAKER_01 (32:37):
Oh, we had an answering machine.
Okay, you did.

SPEAKER_04 (32:38):
Okay, so you had to get to it before it got to the
answering machine.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (32:41):
So it was like the old school answer machine.
So I go around, I go into thekitchen, and I pick up the phone
and I'm like, hello.
And I kid you not, this is likestraight out of a movie.
The voice just says, I knowyou're alone.

unknown (32:54):
Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_01 (32:55):
And I slam that phone down, and I remember
standing in the middle of thekitchen, the blind is shut, the
house is pitch black, and I hitthe deck.
I get down on my hands andknees, and I start crawling to
Lynette's room.
And I'm like, Lynette, Lynette,Lynette, Lynette, Lynette, and I
and she, I he knew what youdidn't.
And he knew what I didn't, andshe was not there.
Oh my gosh.

(33:15):
And I am like, Okay, what do Ido now?
Like, I remember panicking,like, okay, I'm definitely
alone.
It's 2 a.m.
I don't know where Lynette is,and I don't know what to do at
this point.
So I'm like, I have to leave.
I can either stay here or I haveto leave.
So I'm still in the ground.

SPEAKER_04 (33:32):
So you got a car there?

SPEAKER_01 (33:33):
Okay, so I have my I have my 1979 brat, by the way.
I have a very old school car,and I'm sitting there, I find my
keys, I throw my sweats and mysweatshirt on because it's kind
it's cold, it's definitelygetting colder.
And I think, okay, I'll neverforget.
And there's a picture of thefront door um in the living room
that I put in there.
Okay, so that's the front door.
I stood in front of that frontdoor for I don't know how long,

(33:55):
a couple of minutes.
I got my cat because I decidednow I'm going to my mom's.

SPEAKER_04 (33:59):
Okay.
And so I And you got to get fromthat front door to your car,
which is out on the maybe nextto this guy.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (34:06):
I have no idea if he's out front.

SPEAKER_04 (34:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (34:08):
I have, and it's old school.
So keep in mind, there's noclicker on your car, right?
You have to go and put the keyin.

SPEAKER_03 (34:13):
Yeah, you got to turn it.

SPEAKER_01 (34:14):
And I have to lock this front door by a key.
So I have to get out the door, Ihave to lock the door, I have to
run to the car, I have to unlockmy car, I have to get my car to
start, I have to do all this inlike record time, and I'm
having, I I don't know why, butI feel like I had to take my cat
with me.

SPEAKER_04 (34:29):
I might not have needed to bring the cat.

SPEAKER_01 (34:31):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (34:32):
By the way, you had the meanest cat on the on the
hit in the history of the world.
That thing would have killedthis guy.
This was the case.
I mean, that's like leaving ajaguar in the house.

SPEAKER_01 (34:38):
This was not the mean, this was not boogity.
Oh, that was a mean kid.
No, I got mean, this was Jeppy.
This is my white cat.
Oh, this is Jeppy.
Okay, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 (34:45):
I don't mean to okay.
Yeah, use a sweet kid.
Don't mean to throw us off thetrick.

SPEAKER_01 (34:48):
Anyway, so um so I decide, okay, I remember
counting down.
Three, two, one.
I'm going for this.
I go, I lock the door, I goracing to my car, I get in my
little brat, and my bratsometimes wouldn't start because
of course it's old and it's coldoutside.
Yeah.
And I start that thing and I ampraying the whole time.
I am like, please, dear Jesus,let me be safe.
Please just let me get to thiscar.

(35:09):
I race it to my mom.
I'm banging on my mom's door.
She's, of course, terrified,comes to the door early in the
morning.
It's me, my cat.
She's like, What are you doingand why are you staying there?
It's time for you to move back.
We'll find you a differentplace.
And I was like, No, this guy isnot gonna push me out.
This was my whole master plan.

SPEAKER_02 (35:24):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (35:24):
So my that night, my mom cook and I cook up a plan.
Okay.
And my mom worked for the phonecompany.
So she said, I'm gonna dosomething, and you can't tell
anybody I'm gonna do this.
And I'm like, okay.
She goes, I'm gonna get a tapand I'm gonna have your phone
tapped, and I'm gonna see whatphone number shows up that's
coming into your house all thetime.
We're gonna figure out who thisguy is.
And I'm like, all right, bringit.
Because I hadn't even thoughtabout that.

SPEAKER_04 (35:45):
Can that even happen?
All right, your mom like workingat the phone number.
She did.

SPEAKER_01 (35:49):
I mean, I don't know how what strings she pulled or
whose favor she asked for,right?
But she got a tap put on myphone and she told me never to
tell anybody.
And she knew I was calling thecops, and she said, do not tell
the cops that I am tapping.

SPEAKER_04 (36:01):
She's working on a black op situation.

SPEAKER_01 (36:03):
She, this is totally shortly.

SPEAKER_04 (36:04):
Okay, okay, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (36:05):
So she puts on uh the tap.
I do not tell Lynette.
I am not allowed to tell anybodythat I have a tap on the phone
at the time, right?
So this is like quiet, quiet,quiet.

SPEAKER_03 (36:14):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (36:15):
So, you know, I go back, I can't, you know, my
mom's like, it's gonna take alittle while for this to happen.
So in the meantime, of course,the harassing continues, okay?
And it starts to get a littlejuicier because um, for
instance, one night, um, we wentout on Thursday nights.
I'm sure in college you had anight that was the night to go
out, and ours was Thursdaynight.

SPEAKER_04 (36:35):
Yeah, ours was ours was Monday through Saturday.

SPEAKER_01 (36:38):
Okay.
All right.
They're fraternity boy.
But like for college night, likewe'd go to old C's down in Fort
Collins, and that was the thingto go do, right?
And so we were excited aboutgoing out.
So we get all ready and then weleave the house.
We I remember we go out and it'sdead, right?
It's one of those nights that,like, I don't know what
happened, but maybe people weregetting ready to go through

(36:58):
testing or whatever they had todo.
There was no, there was nobodyout that we wanted to hang out
with.
So we were like, this is dumb.
Like, let's not do this.
Let's just go get a movie.
And this was back when you go toBlockbuster and rent a movie and
bring it back.

SPEAKER_03 (37:08):
Big time.

SPEAKER_01 (37:09):
So we go to get a movie and we come back into the
house and we are this is ourpattern.
You don't turn on the lightsbecause you don't want to signal
anybody if he's in our backyardthat we're home, right?
Like we have this whole systemin place.
So you come in in the dark, youwalk through that living room,
you go to the kitchen, you goopen up the little blind, a
little crack to see if anybody'sout there.
Then you can turn on a light.
Like this was our system.

SPEAKER_02 (37:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (37:30):
So we come in and we're looking, and we had an
answer machine that would flashthe number, and we always had
messages.
I mean, I'm sorry, but we alwayshad messages.
It was like a constant runningthing that we always had.

SPEAKER_03 (37:40):
You ladies were popular.

SPEAKER_01 (37:41):
We were very popular.
So, anyway, we were like, zeromessages?
We were like, we were gone foran hour.
Like, how do we not have anymessages?
So we're looking through theblind, we're looking through the
blind, and all we're thinkingabout right now is how do we not
have any messages?
So we're distracted because wedon't have any messages that
bugs us, okay?
So we're looking through theblind, and then we kind of hear

(38:02):
something.
We don't know exactly what wehear, but we and I said, let's
go down and look in the bedroomwindows, out the bedroom
windows, which they have blindstoo, and make sure that the
person's not down there, theguy's not down there by the
tree.
So we walk down the hall and wego in into the back bedrooms,
our bedrooms, and we're lookingout the back windows again.
And we hear a slam of our doorin our house.

(38:24):
Oh, and we are sitting there,and Lynette looks at me and she
is terrified, and I amterrified, and she's like, What
do we do?
What do we do?
And I said, We're gonna run downthis to the kitchen and we're
gonna scream as loud as we can.
So we just take off.
Well, I don't know what to do,but I feel like we're gonna
Ella's like, What are you doing?
But okay, this is I'm also 19,guys.
Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_04 (38:44):
No, it's just a lot of stuff going on here.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (38:47):
Zero self-defense tools.
You're just gonna scream.

SPEAKER_01 (38:49):
Yes, because my goal right now is we're gonna scare
the crap out of you.

SPEAKER_04 (38:52):
Yeah, I'm sure he's really scared.
But anyway, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (38:54):
So we come hauling back through the kitchen and
we're down that hallway and weare screaming bloody murder as
we come through the kitchen.

SPEAKER_02 (39:00):
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (39:01):
And we are turning on lights at this point now,
too, as we're doing this, as weget to the kitchen.
Because now we see, if you goback to that kitchen now, Ella,
what I want you to see, there'slike a picture of the kitchen
that has the back, the otherdoor.
There's another picture of thekitchen, and it says it's got a
it's got a kitchen door.
It's got a door that goes to thegarage.
And so I think you'll show that.
What we had not noticed.
See, there's a door right there.

SPEAKER_04 (39:22):
Yeah, that and that's the garage behind the
light there.

SPEAKER_01 (39:24):
Yes, that leads right to the garage right there.
Yeah.
What we had not noticed is thatdoor was open.

SPEAKER_04 (39:29):
Oh Lord.

SPEAKER_01 (39:30):
Okay.
That was a swinging door, by theway.
It was one of those like screendoors that slant, and then it
had like a double door.
So it was the screen door thathad slammed shut.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (39:39):
This is a screen door into the garage.

SPEAKER_01 (39:41):
Into the garage.
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (39:42):
That's quite a move.

SPEAKER_01 (39:43):
Well, it was also a 1970s house.
I get it.
Like they've updated this house.
Apparently.
By the way, this did not looklike this.
We have linoleum in thatkitchen.
I get it.
Cabinets were yellow.
Like it's not, it doesn't lookanything like it did.

SPEAKER_02 (39:54):
I get it.

SPEAKER_01 (39:54):
But anyway, so that so the the door was open.
So we I just went out there.
I was like, oh hell no.
I'm this is I'm done with this.
Because this has now been monthsof dealing with this.
So I take off after this, and sodoes she.
She's not, she's very brave too.
She's very brave.
Lynette's very brave.
So we run out to the garage.

SPEAKER_04 (40:11):
Brave might not be the word I'd use, but go ahead.

unknown (40:14):
Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 (40:15):
Anyway, we go out and we again, so you run into
the garage, and then out thegarage is that door that goes to
the backyard.
Sure.
And that door is open.
And we go busting out there andwe don't see anything.
Right?
Motion lights are on, butthere's he beat us out there.

SPEAKER_03 (40:30):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (40:30):
So then we come back into the house, and we're like,
this is so weird.
And so we turn on all thelights, we walk by the bathroom,
the bathroom door is open.
The the toilet seat is up like aguy had used it.
Whoa.
And there is urine in thetoilet.
And I have a picture of thebathroom just because I put that

(40:51):
in there.

SPEAKER_04 (40:51):
It was that very toilet right there.

SPEAKER_01 (40:53):
Well, it looks just the kitchen, the bathroom has
not changed.
The bathroom has not changed aday.
Like those are the same mirrors.
That's the same shower door.

SPEAKER_04 (41:01):
You know that's the same can.

SPEAKER_01 (41:02):
Yeah, it's probably the same can then.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (41:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (41:05):
So it's uh it's up like a guy has used it, and
there's urine in it.
Is that the same?

SPEAKER_04 (41:09):
To pull it up instead of, you know, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (41:11):
And so then I'm like spelling on them.
So weird.
I'm like, this is so creepy.
So then I'm like, I wonder if wethis is me back in the day.
I wonder if we have any messageson that answering machine.
So we go back and we hit theplay button, and there were four
messages on the machine.
So what he erased them?
What?

SPEAKER_04 (41:26):
So the four messages, did he play them?
Is that the deal?
He had played them.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (41:30):
So he had come into our house, he had listened to
the messages.

SPEAKER_02 (41:34):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (41:34):
We believe he was in the can using the bathroom with
the door open when we got home.
Okay.
So we come in, yeah.
It's all black.
It's all black, black, black,black.
The whole house is black.
We're in the kitchen.
We think we hear somethingbecause we do.
He's actually in our bathroom.
Okay.
Which if there's a picture nowof the living room that has the

(41:54):
hallway shot.
This should be one of the lastones.
See, so we come through the wewhen we come back from the
kitchen.

SPEAKER_04 (42:00):
So he sneaks into that hallway.

SPEAKER_01 (42:02):
That bathroom hallway, the bathroom is at the
first door on the right.
And my bedroom was the firstdoor on the left.

SPEAKER_02 (42:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (42:07):
Okay.
So we passed him to go to thebedrooms to check the bedrooms.
And then what I think he did ishe came running out of there and
he goes hauling back through thekitchen, through that garage
door, that kitchen pantry door,that kitchen door to the gar to
the garage, and then takes offand we hear the door slam.
Okay.
Because it's that it's thatswinging door.
Into the garage, yeah.
Into the garage.

(42:27):
So we call the cops then thistime.
We call the cops and we're like,listen.
And this is what's happened,okay, to this point.
Okay.
And we list everything.
And this guy just the cops says,Do you have anybody that could
come over and spend the nightwith you guys tonight?
Could you just put more peoplein the house with you guys?
And we're like, okay, I guess.
So we call some of our guyfriends who are more than happy

(42:50):
to come over with theirshotguns, by the way.
Because we're in Colorado.
All right.

SPEAKER_04 (42:54):
So the guy, the farm couple of chicks, need some
protecting farm guys.

SPEAKER_01 (42:58):
It's like the farm uh frat.
I can't remember what it'scalled.

SPEAKER_04 (43:01):
That'd be AGR.

SPEAKER_01 (43:03):
But was it called like the farmhouse or something?

SPEAKER_04 (43:04):
Well, oh, farmhouse too.
I'm sorry.
AGRs are, but then farmhouse.
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Yeah, an actual farmhouse.
Okay.
Yeah.
So did we at Washington State.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (43:12):
So our guys come over.
Um Mitch and Cody come over withtheir guns.

SPEAKER_04 (43:16):
Mitch and Cody sound like a couple of guys with guns.

SPEAKER_01 (43:18):
They did, and they knew how to use them too.
So they crash on our couchesthat night.
Sure they did.
Okay.
And they're like, of coursewe're here to protect you, young
ladies.
I mean, they were great.
They were great guys.
And so nothing happens at night.
Okay.
So no, there's no.

SPEAKER_04 (43:31):
With the guys or with this other guy?

SPEAKER_01 (43:32):
No, nothing happened with the guys.
No, neither.
But thanks for asking me aboutmy dating life at the time.

SPEAKER_04 (43:39):
No, I'm not saying, you know, and I'm not an
uninterested party.
All right.
So anyway, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 (43:43):
Okay.
So so anyway, so you kind ofhave to fast forward now because
I could go on and on and on.
But basically, at the end of theday, all the phone calls keep
happening.
Yeah.
The my mom ends up.
Oh, this is what's tricky.
So my mom ends up um calling meor getting a hold of me and
says, listen, this is reallybizarre.
This phone number is coming froma cell phone.

(44:06):
And cell phones were brand new.
Okay.
Brand new cell phones.
And she goes, and the nut the itis not listed to anybody.
So we can't find out who theowner of the cell phone is.

SPEAKER_04 (44:17):
But that does make some sense because then you know
that's how he knew when you gotin and everything else.
Correct.
So then he's in your yard orwhatever he's doing and making
the person has some money.

SPEAKER_01 (44:27):
Because if you guys recall the cell phone in 1992,
is a lot of money.
Like it is something that is noteven like carrying that brick
around.
Yeah, I'm sure it was like thisbig, practically the suitcase.
I have no idea.

SPEAKER_04 (44:39):
But no, but at that time, there was those.
Yeah, okay.
They were good size.

SPEAKER_01 (44:43):
The one that had like the thing that came out.
I don't even know.

SPEAKER_04 (44:45):
But there was a flip.
Uh it's not a flip, flip, it's amuch bigger flip, but there was
a flip at that time.
At that time.

SPEAKER_01 (44:51):
But they were big.
So she said, this is definitelya cell phone.

SPEAKER_03 (44:54):
Okay, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 (44:55):
And and you can't tell anybody that I did this.
Okay.
But of course, when the cops arecoming, I'm saying, listen, it
is our belief that this personis using a cell phone in our
backyard.
And the cop is like, why wouldyou think that?
And I'm like, it's a hunch.
It's because this person knowsour name.
They know we get home.
They know everything.
And the cops, I'll never forgetthe cops said, I guarantee you,

(45:18):
he's going through your mail.
That's how he knew your names.
He opens up the mailbox, helooks at your names on the
things, and that's how he knowsyour name.
If he's outside, you have, youknow, you don't have a whole lot
of uh it's easy to hear thingsoutside your windows, you know,
because it's not a big house.
So anyway, that was kind of whatthe cops assessed.
Okay.
So then I'll I'll I'll kind ofjump ahead of here a little bit.

(45:38):
Yeah.
Um, so the next big thing thatit happened was it snowed.
Okay.
So it's uh early morning.
I have to go to class, Lynette'sthere.
Lynette goes, Oh my gosh,there's prints in the backyard.
Because we never went in thebackyard.
We were scared to death.
After that whole occurrencehappened, my brother came back
and he's like, I never want youto use this back.
You know, and we never use thegarage.
We didn't park our cars in thegarage.

(46:00):
It was like a junk holder, likeit just held a bunch of our
stuff, right?
And the patio furniture that wehad moved in there.
And so they she said, Oh mygosh, you're not gonna believe
this.
We've got tracks outside.
So we tiptoe out to look, andthey're big, like hiking boot
prints.
And I'm like, Lynette, this isthe first piece of evidence
we've ever had, actual evidenceof somebody in our backyard.

(46:21):
And it's clear a track of oneperson that comes up to the my
window and then disappears andgoes back.

SPEAKER_03 (46:26):
It's like Scooby-Doo.
It is like Scooby-Doo.
I got something here.

SPEAKER_01 (46:30):
So we don't want to mess up the tracks.
I'm like, you call the cops, Igotta go to class, get them out
here.
I'm thinking all the thingslike, oh, they're gonna make a
they're gonna make a print ofthis.
Like, I'm thinking like they'regonna bring up their plaster.
Of course they are.

SPEAKER_04 (46:41):
They're gonna make like Bigfoot.
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (46:43):
This is what I'm thinking.
I come back from class, I'mlike, how'd it go?
How'd it go?
And she goes, They told me theywere deer tracks.
What?
And I go, What?
I go, they're not deer tracks,they're like prints from a
combat boot or like a Doc Martinor something.
And she's like, they told methey were deer.
And I was like, and I say, Youlet that slide?
You know, I was like, and shegoes, What do you want me to do?
Like, I'm argue with the cop.

(47:04):
So she had said, I gave him thecomputer printout because we
started keeping track of everysingle occurrence that had
happened with the date, everysingle thing that had happened.
And she goes, Listen, we're donewith this.
This is a you gotta catch thisguy.
So the cop just told her, Wewant you to sleep in the
interior of the house now.
So now we're sleeping on thecouches in its finals week and
all kinds of, it's it's gettingfinals week, second semester?

(47:26):
Second semester, it's getting.
So you've gone the whole year,right?
The whole year.
Yeah, this is towards the end ofthe year.
This is like snow, likeFebruary-ish, something like
that.
But here's what I know.
So this is a couple weeks later,and the cops call us and they
say, Um, okay, we have atracking of this new electronic
mat that we want to put underChristie's back window, and

(47:47):
we're gonna catch this guy.
And we only have like three matsin the town of Fort Collins, and
we want to use one of thesemats.
Now, I don't know if this isexactly what it was, but this is
the closest thing I could findto like it was like a pressure
mat.
So it had like sensors on it.
Okay.
And if you stood on it, it wouldsignal to the cops in the nearby
area that this guy was in mywindow.

SPEAKER_04 (48:06):
Okay, so they're they're they're they're finally
addressing the issue.

SPEAKER_01 (48:08):
Well, because yeah, finally.
This is months down the road.
But now this is how I know theyare taking us very seriously at
this point.
However, this is what they dobecause it's brand new for the
city of Fort Collins at the timeto have this tracking mat.
They bring out like, I don'tknow, 15 people to bring out
this mat in the middle of theday.
This guy's watching us likehawks.
Yeah, this guy is watching, Iguarantee you, this guy watched
this whole thing transpire,right?

(48:29):
Yeah, they put they put likestuff over it to hide it.
They're like, I can't rememberif it's like leaves or what they
had put over there, like deadleaves or whatever was in our
yard.
Needless to say, never caughtanything with this tracking mat.
Okay, nothing ever happened.
Now I can't remember exactly thewhole lead up, other than I will
say I'll wrap this up by thefinal story of this is in the
breaking point finally for uswas we came home one day, that

(48:53):
door was open again.
That garage door had been openinto into our garage door into
the living room.

SPEAKER_04 (48:58):
Into the living room.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (48:59):
And we could tell there was lights on or
something.
Something had triggered, and weknew this guy had been in the
house.
We called the cops again.
We're like, we are exhausted.
We don't we had a lease too.
It wasn't like we're gonna getour money back if we left.
So keep all that stuff in mindthat it was very we were paying
for our own rent.
Like you pay for utilities.
It wasn't easy just to go, we'reout.
Lynette's parents lived inWyoming.

(49:20):
It wasn't like she, where's shegonna go?
So it was another reason weweren't just jetting, right?
Because it was a big process toleave.
So um we end up the cops come,they do some investigating, and
they they pull us out to thegarage, which we very rarely
ever went to the garage.
There's a ladder and there's anentrance into the attic of our
house in that garage.

(49:41):
And he said, Did you notice thatyou have an attic entrance?
And we said, No, we're never outhere.
And he said, Did you also noticethat you have a ladder right
here?
And we were like, No, it must belike the landlords or whoever
owns the house.
Like, we didn't bring a ladderin.
And so he goes, Well, we'regonna go up there.
And we're like, All right, knockyour socks off because they can
see that the attic thing hadbeen kind of a jar or something.

(50:02):
So they end up going up into theattic and they find fresh KFC
boxes and empty beer cans andkind of an area where this
person had been spending a greatamount of time in our attic.
So the guy comes down and hefinally they got so serious with

(50:23):
us.
They're like, you ladies have toleave the house and you have to
leave today.
Like, you're done.
We this is the creepiest thingwe've ever seen.
This guy is living in, like, heis coming in and making himself
comfortable, probably listeningto all your conversations.
Who knows what else he's seeingand what he's there to watch and
what he's there to listen to.
But now this is beyond just aguy that might have like been

(50:46):
interested in one of you orwanted this.
This has just gone too far.
So basically the cops made uspack our bags that day and and
leave.
But that ensures so that sothat's the last you That's the
end of it for us that we nevercaught the guy, which was very
disappointing for me.

SPEAKER_04 (51:00):
Yeah, I mean, I that's the one thing that's
crazy about this because if youlook at it by telling you guys,
okay, you're out of here now,you ensure that this guy lives
to do this to someone else.
Right.
And who knows what this guy hasdone.
So you'll you you'll go, you'llnever know.

SPEAKER_01 (51:15):
I have no idea.
And neither does Lynette.
And I to our best knowledge, thecops never reached back out to
us, never filled us in onanything else again.
And, you know, I obviously went,we moved into a different
apartment.

SPEAKER_00 (51:26):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (51:26):
Um, and we started college, and you know, that was
my sophomore year.
And so obviously I had my juniorand senior year, and we were
still roommates that whole time.

SPEAKER_04 (51:34):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (51:35):
Um, and you know, that was that was kind of you
know, did you ever have a theoryon who it was?

SPEAKER_04 (51:41):
Did you ever think I may I may have seen something?
There's a guy who looked at meweird.

SPEAKER_01 (51:46):
I was at a we thought, oh, give me a break,
give me a break.
We thought everybody wassuspicious for a while.
Right.
I mean, at the beginning, andthis my friend Lynette will
vouch for this.
She kind of dated some guys thatwere a little um jealous.
So, and then they would breakup.
So at first, originally Ithought this is all about
Lynette.
Like, this must be some guy thathas a thing for Lynette because

(52:06):
it started before I moved in.
Right.
So I really kind of always werelike, this isn't really even
about me.
This is Lynette.
And but then it started toreally impact me.
And it was a lot more about meas well.
Right.
So it and Lynette's like, I uhit's not me.
This guy's like, this is not anyof my exes.
This is not somebody I've dated.
So yeah, but you look, I mean,we both worked at restaurants.

(52:26):
Yeah.
Um, so we would check, you know,we were we were very public, but
I will say in hindsight, I was19, I would do things very
differently now.

SPEAKER_02 (52:33):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (52:33):
If this was our daughter, our daughter would be
out of there, it would neverhappen.
Um, also, you have to keep inmind that like now we know how
dangerous stalkers can be, andthey've taken people's lives and
they've done really scarythings.
Absolutely.
That was not, if that was thecase then, we just didn't know
about it because there was nosocial media, there was not a
lot of information.

(52:54):
The cops weren't freaking out.
Yep.
So therefore, we didn't freakout.
And once the cops freaked outand told us to leave, we did.
We listened to them.
So we weren't like, hey, we'regonna catch this guy and shoot
him.
Like we didn't have guns.
Right.
You know, so anyway, that's kindof the gist of that story.
But yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (53:08):
Wow.
And and but one quick postscript before we wrap this up.

SPEAKER_01 (53:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (53:12):
Uh you and I move in together as friends in Grand
Junction, Colorado, in 1997.

SPEAKER_01 (53:19):
Right.
So about five years after this.

SPEAKER_04 (53:21):
About five years after this.
Um, about six months into usliving together, um, you were
coming out of KJCT, the ABCaffiliate in Grand Junction, and
someone started following you.

SPEAKER_01 (53:37):
Yeah.
The whole stalking thing startedall over again.

SPEAKER_04 (53:40):
It started over again.

SPEAKER_01 (53:41):
Started all over again.
And because I was a news anchor,so that he he knew when I was
getting off.
We didn't have security at thestation.

SPEAKER_02 (53:46):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (53:47):
And he drove a white van.

SPEAKER_02 (53:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (53:48):
And you remember this, and he would follow me
around and he scared thedaylights out of me at night.
And I was always off at night.
And again, and then I was like,oh no, I am not doing this
again.
I was like, I have been throughthis, and I did learn.
That's when I got my first gun.
Yep.
That's when I learned how toshoot.
That's when I took a protectionclass.
That's when I kind of came backto you and I was like, I went to
the cops right away this time.

SPEAKER_04 (54:08):
I was and it was taken much more seriously, and
then some channels were dealtwith that he was made to
understand that that was notgoing to be a proper way to move
forward.

SPEAKER_03 (54:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (54:18):
And we found out very quickly where he lived and
everything else.
So uh, but but it would it wasone of those things that kind of
reminded you that you knowyou're like that person that you
know, it kind of that that itfollowed you again, and and you
definitely handled itdifferently.

SPEAKER_01 (54:31):
And and it was not as, you know, well, and keep in
mind too, Mark, that the yearafter that happened, so was a
news anchor was killed in, Ibelieve, Iowa by her stock rock.

SPEAKER_03 (54:41):
That's exactly right.

SPEAKER_01 (54:41):
So that had not happened yet.
I was right before that.
That that stock grow.
So the cops didn't take it asseriously as I think they did
from that point on, but theygave him a warning.
And I remember thinking, youneed to give this guy more than
a warning.
Like you need to tell him tostop chasing me around.
Yeah.
But like all their advice wasdrive to the police station.
So at night, I'd get out, he'dbe there, and I would drive to

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the police station instead ofdriving home.
And I remember coming home atnight to you sometimes, and I
would be screaming in there withthe car, racing in and locking
the door.
I'm like, he followed me again.
And I think I lost him.
I mean, I was like doing loopsand running through red lights
to this guy.
So I didn't want him to knowwhere I lived.
And I don't think he ever foundout where we lived.

SPEAKER_04 (55:18):
But anyway, so yeah.
And by the way, just as the lastlittle thing, there's a there, I
believe there's a currently ameteorologist, a KDVR in Denver
that has a stalker that she wentpublic talking about.
So this is super serious stuff.
But, you know, again, we kind ofturned it back to Halloween.
We had some stories.
Yeah.
Uh I I don't know if this isvaluable to you.

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Hopefully, people foundsomething interesting about it.
I think you're you're a goodstoryteller, so it was good.

SPEAKER_01 (55:43):
Well, I did write this as a book.
I just don't have it finishedyet.
But I wrote it all down as abook.

SPEAKER_04 (55:47):
Well, I think it's it's worth it is extremely
interesting.
So I'm so thankful that this guydid not.
I mean, obviously, L's would notbe here if if you had not
survived this guy.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (55:58):
So this guy was not taking me out, I'll tell you
that right now.

SPEAKER_04 (56:00):
Okay, well, uh hey, it it is good, and and it was a
blessing God was looking overyou too.

SPEAKER_01 (56:07):
Guy, that's the biggest thing is Jesus just was
looking after me.
So look at it.

SPEAKER_04 (56:10):
It's like we're not gonna let this chicken eating
fool who's in your who's in yourattic take out.

SPEAKER_01 (56:15):
The two girls.

SPEAKER_04 (56:16):
The two girls.
Well, sounds good.
All right, hopefully you guysenjoy this, and we'll see you
back here late Tuesday nightwith our election special with
Jessica Perez, who is the bestfundraiser in the state of New
Mexico, gonna talk about whatthat's like for candidates.
And I think we're gonna beheaded for a runoff in the
mayor's race, so we'll get intodetails on all that.
But of course, we cannot endthis episode without the way we

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started it, which was the slateand our music for our special
Halloween edition.
We'll see you back on Tuesday.