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🏫 Why Is New Mexico Dead Last for Kids?

• The latest Annie E. Casey Foundation rankings are out—and New Mexico is dead last in best states to raise kids.
• Our education numbers are especially troubling, despite the fact that NM spends more money per student than most states.
• Mark, Krysty, and Mike break down why the results are so bad—and how entrenched education powers are blocking the reforms we need to help kids succeed, especially for low-income families.

🚓 Riots Erupt in LA—Leadership in Shambles

• Violent riots are back in Los Angeles—and once again, city leaders are siding with the rioters, not the police.
• We discuss why this leadership failure is becoming all too common—and why it’s alienating everyday Americans.

📊 Immigrant Voters Now Backing Trump?

• Recent CNN polling shows that immigrant voters support Trump’s immigration efforts by a staggering margin.
• Why are Democrats sticking to a losing strategy? We break it down—and highlight one Democrat who is finally getting the message right.

🧪 Chinese Nationals Arrested Bringing Dangerous Materials into the U.S.

• Another wave of arrests: Chinese nationals caught smuggling dangerous biological materials into the country.
• What are they up to—and why aren’t we hearing more about it? We dive in.

🤖 Is AI Killing News Sites? The Answer Is Yes.

• As AI rapidly advances, traditional news outlets are taking a huge hit.
• We explain how AI is reshaping the media landscape—and what it means for how Americans get their news going forward.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Okay, here we go.
We got Elle's working the quicktrigger finger.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Yeah, well, you said you told her be fast.
Yeah, on the slot.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yeah, we're going quick.
We got a lot going on today.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Your goal is always to have a show done in 45
minutes and people stillcomplain and say hey, can you
get this show down to about 15minutes?

Speaker 2 (00:21):
And I'm like there's no way People complain that they
want the down to about 15minutes and I'm like there's no
way we pack.
People complain that they wantthe show to be 15 minutes.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
We get we get emails that say if you could do a 15
minute version of your show,that'd be great.
And I was like what we come outtwice a week, that's a good
point.
We bring it down to 15 minutes.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
We'd have to cut most of your talking out from
Victory News joining us andwe're going to talk to him about
everything going on in theworld and involved in that.
We're going to talk about somenew education numbers out in the
state of New Mexico and it's arough deal and we'll talk about
that.
Darren White has some news onthe mayor's race.
We'll see what happens there.
The LA riots I mean this is astory that is capturing the

(01:02):
country.
Everybody's talking about itand it's headed in a direction
that I think is very clear andyet you continue to see all
parties involved staying lockedin, and we'll explain why.
This is another one of those80-20 issues that, if you're on
the left, it's not a place youwant to be at this point, but it
is where they are, and we'llshow some real numbers.

(01:23):
Harry Enten dove in big onthese numbers to say where are
the American people on this,especially the people that are
affected most, which is really,really interesting.
So we'll get to details on that.
We've got some of these Chinesewhat do we call them?
Scientists that continuallybring things into the country
that are a real problem.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Let's just say yeah, yeah, biohazardous, yeah
Materials that should not beallowed here.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
It's not good, and more and more, the search
engines that we all used to relyon are dying, and dying with
them are the media websites.
Why AI get ready to adjust, sowe'll see how it shakes out.
All right, mike, you good to gowith all this.
We ready to roll.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Well, let's rock Well yeah, mike, we got to get your
opinion first, cuz you're like alittle family debate going on
here at the house.
Ella got her new volleyballshoes yes we all know that.
You know, mark is the guy thathas to wear the oddest ski
helmet out there.
A little evil Knievel orangeski helmet.
It's got like painted stripedthings down it.
It looks like a motorcyclehelmet that you ski in.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
I don't know why you're just viciously attacking
me, your shoes that you run inare super bright.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Anybody that's ever seen him running, look at his
shoes.
They're like bright, orange,bright yellow.

Speaker 7 (02:31):
They're legendary.
He's had green, he's had allkinds of stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, that's right, mike, appreciate it so now his
daughter is somewhat followingin his footsteps.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
I shoes.
I brought them to show you guys.
Mark is like on the fence aboutI'm like I don't know can we
see him.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Yeah, yeah, we can't.
But Ella, you're concernedabout these.
I don't, I don't have a problemwith them, I bought them.
I'm worried about how they lookactually on my body.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Okay, like there are two different colors just going
the inside of it.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
There you go, okay.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Okay, set up, do a two shot, bring them back this
way.
There you go.
Those are the Giannis's, Ibelieve.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Show the side too.
Okay, there's the side for thatone.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Mike, there we go.

Speaker 7 (03:20):
What's the problem?

Speaker 2 (03:21):
I don't see a problem .

Speaker 4 (03:21):
I don't know.
I feel like they look weird.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, I can see your point, but I think they may work
.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
They're cool.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
The build of them is weird.
I like the fact that nobodyelse will have them.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
And yeah, there's no doubt about that.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
And I like, I think they could be magic shoes Also
volleyball is like it's you getvibrant color Okay.
I think you stick with it, soyou don't have to have the same
team.

Speaker 7 (03:44):
The team doesn't have the same shoe.
Everybody.
We're not sponsored.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
We're not sponsored.
This is high school.
Nike doesn't sponsor you.
What's the?

Speaker 7 (03:50):
matter with New Mexico.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
No, it's our school.
We're scrapping togetherwhatever we can do.
Mike, this is not a situationwe're not in.
And Phil Knight is like hey,what kind of shoes do you?
No, this is.
You.
Need Phil's number, I got.

Speaker 7 (04:02):
Phil's number.
I'm sure you do?

Speaker 3 (04:04):
We just got matching hoodies for the first time last
last season?
Ok, come on, we're not rolling,these are great, I think
they're gonna make you jumphigher, and that's what's going
to really matter.
So my voters you keep them Allright, thank you.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
All right, well, good stuff, I was already put them
out on Marshmark and Depop.
Somebody wants them.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
That sounds like a K-pop situation where we've got
to be writing songs to Koreanpop stars.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
If people want them they can have them.
Oh my gosh, no, you're notselling them.
Okay, let's move on.
Let's talk a little bit aboutthese education numbers, because
not good.
I mean, we've talked about this, I don't know for the last five
years.
I feel like we've definitelytalked little bit about what
we're seeing in the survey.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
So this is from the Annie E Casey Foundation.
They put it out every year.
This is not about specificallyeducation.
What this is about iswell-being for kids in your
state.
What states are the best toraise kids in and what states
are the worst and unfortunately,new Mexico is 50th.
Okay, we're dead last.
And every year what we get isthe new mexico kids count.
They come out with some of thisstuff.

(05:09):
Now the what's maddening aboutthis is you see these results
and they are brutal.
Okay, but what's also maddeningabout it is the kids count
reaction to this.
Every year they're just like oh, we're making progress, we're
making and we're not.
Okay.
And and the education numbers?
This is really heartbreakingwhen you look at these numbers.
These are the only ones we'regoing to focus on right now.
But if you take a look, threeof the four metrics we are

(05:32):
losing ground, and we're losingground in a big way.
Young children ages three andfour, not in school.
That number's up 4%, up to 60%.
Remember to New Mexico's creditto some degree.
Now, how we spend the money isone thing, but there is free
pre-K here, so you're not payinga bunch of money to send your
kid to pre-K here.
The state helps cover that, butwe've got to get people engaged

(05:55):
in that, and we're not as muchas we should.
In fact, 60% of our kids arenot in these pre-K programs.
Fourth graders are notproficient in reading.
This is where the numbers gethorrendous.
Okay, in 2024, the year thatjust ended, we're up to 80%.
That's unbelievable 80% of ourkids cannot read to proficiency
in fourth grade.

(06:15):
That's a crime.
It's a crime, mike.
It's.
And again, remember, there's noeducational choice here.
So if you're a young familythat's low income, your kids are
going into schools that are notfitting what they need and not
doing the job for them.
And if there's one thing youtalk about, it's give them some
choice.
Give them the ability to go tosome other locations, other

(06:38):
schools, other opportunities.
We don't do it.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
No, and you know Florida did start that when they
were having filling schools andthey did the school choice
thing and those schools reallystarted to like competitive,
that kind of competing thing.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Jeb Bush.
We talked about that to JebBush directly during the
campaign and he laid out a greatplan to do that.
Obviously, we never got thechance to do it, but it is.
It is critical.
It has helped Florida.
You see, reading initiativeshelp in Mississippi.
I mean those numbers havedefinitely improved, mike and
Greg.

Speaker 7 (07:05):
Abbott in Texas just signed a bill for school choice
in the state of the Lone StarState.
So obviously this is gettingbig and it took Texas a long
time to get that done, even in aconservative state.
But I mean, come on, schoolchoice is the way it needs to go
.
And for those numbers they'rean embarrassment.
I want to hear what theeducational leaders of the
biggest counties in the stateand districts in the state have

(07:26):
to say about those numbers.
Have they talked to the pressabout that?

Speaker 2 (07:29):
We have not heard him say a word recently on this,
but, Mike, the numbers actuallyget worse when you go to math,
Because if you look at the mathnumbers and what's so scary
about this eighth graders notproficient in math used to be
back in 2019, we're at 79%.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Which is scary.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Which is scary right Post-COVID, in 2024, we're at
86%.
14% of our kids can do math toproficiency in eighth grade.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
That is absolutely heartbreaking, and don't forget
this APS, our largest schooldistrict in the state and
actually one of the largest inthe country, by the way.
They're spending an averageright now of about $33,000 per
student.
They're allocating that muchmoney per student in the budget.
I think.
I believe it's one of the topfive we spend.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I think we're in the top five States that spend the
most per student, something likethere are different studies,
right, it's hard to nail down,but there are definitely studies
that have shown that we're inthe top five.
There are some that show usoutside the top five, but
there's no question, we're inthe top half of the country, no
matter what you look at Rightand so we spend all the we're
spending a lot of money.
We do spend the amount of money.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Kids, and then it's not working.
It's not making any impact,because when you just throw
money at something and you don'tactually fix the problem, Right
, then all they do is talk abouthey, we've allocated more money
in the budget, but there is noROI.
There's nothing that's showingthis is actually working itself
out.
So it's embarrassing and sadfor these kids.

Speaker 7 (08:49):
Can I ask you a question?
Has there been any majorleadership change in the
education overseeing the K-12throughout New Mexico in the
last five years?
Or is it just okay, we're goingto keep plowing forward and do
the same thing and you're goingto get the results you just got?

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Mike, I think what you have right now is you have
whether you see the figureheadat the top change.
It's changed multiple times.
It doesn't matter.
What you have is a state thatis beholden to a union that is
not allowing special intereststo come first.
Right, and you see it on allsides of the aisle all the time.
When we have special intereststhat dominate certain cadres of
government, and when they do,they don't let up their grip,
and the problem is with theunion issues we have in the

(09:30):
state of New Mexico right now.
Accountability is just notthere and choice isn't there.
We're not putting kids first,like we should.
Now we are at it.
We are throwing money at itbecause we have a tremendous
amount of money in the state.
There's no doubt that there aresurpluses beyond belief.
The problem is that money isnot leading people to be held to
account and that money is notfollowing the child, which it

(09:51):
would be a massive help If youhave a small family in the South
Valley who's like you know what?
I want to go to a school inBerlin and we think we can make
it happen.
We can get our kids there, butwe can't afford it because you
know we're not allowed to makethat transition out of the
school district or whatever, andthen if you allowed them to do
that, it would make a massivedifference.
And right now we're not able todo it and obviously we've got

(10:13):
to hold to making sure that weare a productive place for
parents to be able to be thebest parents they can be as well
, because that's critical inthis whole piece.

Speaker 7 (10:21):
Oh, it's just the bottom line is is New Mexico has
a failing return on investingwhen it comes to education and
what you guys spend on your kidsand, to be quite frank, that's
got to change.
I mean, if you think about thefuture of New Mexico, 5, 10, 15
years down the road, when thesekids are in their careers,
they're going to be hobbling inthe first steps and they might

(10:42):
not even get into college,obviously, if they don't turn
things around.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Oh, it's a huge issue .

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Oh well, I mean they've lowered high school
graduation standards all thosekind of things to try to see if
they can push kids forward, andthat's really not helping.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Lowering the bar is not going to help the kid.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Actually help the student as they graduate and try
to compete in a business worldand in a college world.
So it's you know.
I think we've spoke about thisand I know our viewers are
definitely frustrated with theeducation situation.
It is one of the hot topicshere.
I feel like every leader thatdecides to run for office,
regardless of party, saysthey're going to put you know
they're going to really changeeducation.

(11:18):
I've yet to see that.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, you can't again , this is not a money issue,
it's not now to to where we arefinancially as a state.
There was one time when youcould have said, okay, we're
just not allocating the rightamount of money.
That's not the case.
It is not the case anymore.
And then you see this kidscount, which.
They put this out every yearand they just run cover Every
year.
They're like we're makingprogress, we're doing better.
No, you're not.

(11:41):
And I think that's the part ofthis too.
When you have people that havepolitical motivations when they
go put these numbers out andthey just try to spin them every
time and there are so many kidswho sit there and go I'm not
getting the education I need.
So many parents that arefrustrated because they see that
their kids don't get as good aneducation even as they got in.
In spinning it doesn't helpanybody, but that's what Kids

(12:03):
Count continues to do and it'slike stop doing this, sit down
and start solving these problems.
And it's not brilliance.
We just talked about a few ofthem.
School choice is one of them.
Money following the kid,educational coaches, especially
reading coaches for third andfourth graders, making sure that
they can read, and that's themoonshot in the state of New
Mexico is third and fourthgraders have to be able to read.
I don't care what happens, Idon't care if we're sitting a

(12:24):
reading coach next to every kidin that dang school.
We're going to do it right.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
I mean that's the key .
I mean the issue is too, mikeis.
What's frustrating is, whenMark ran for governor like this
was definitely a hot topic, thatwe really we talked to so many
governors and so many otherleaders who had made
improvements in their schoolMark had real initiatives to put
into action.
I think the problem is ispeople speak a big game, but
then you see these numbers andthese stats and it's like, well,

(12:48):
what are you doing?
Like, have you made any realprogress with this?
Is this really your priority?
And I just think the numbersspeak for themselves and that's
what's really frustrating.

Speaker 7 (12:57):
Those numbers aren't embarrassment.
There's no way around it.
That's the only way to look atit.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
And the other one other little point on this it's
a lot easier just to put a lineitem in the budget and increase
it than it is to structurallychange the way we educate kids
and to go after one of yourbiggest constituencies and say
I'm sorry, the way you've doneit over the past 30 years isn't
working.
We have to change.
That's tougher than going andjust increasing the amount of
money spent, and we've done theincreasing the amount of money
spent route without structurallychanging how we educate our

(13:27):
kids.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Okay, well, let's talk about potential new
leadership coming in, whichwould be Darren White, who's
running for Albuquerque mayor.
Big announcement, kind of.
I was a little surprisedactually by this, but I don't
think you were as much.
Darren White is withdrawingfrom public financing and
mayoral race call system, anincumbent protection plan Right.
Basically, he's raisingquestions about this campaign.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
You know funding system, yeah, so here's how this
works and Michael gets yourtake on it.
But basically, if you'rerunning for mayor of Albuquerque
and you can get an Albuquerquevoter to sign your petition, you
need 3,780 of them, okay, whichis a ton of signatures,
especially for you need 3,780 ofthem, okay, which is a ton of
signatures Especially for amayor's race.
Right, right, absolutely right,totally.

(14:11):
And they have to give you $5,okay, they got to agree to
commit $5 to you, and then 3,750signatures and then you get
roughly $750,000 to run yourcampaign.
Okay, now what most people dois they get that, if they can do
it, and then they raise moneyinto a pack on their own,
separately, right, and the packhas to operate outside the
campaign and then you can raiseas much money as you want into

(14:32):
the pack.
So the pack goes and talksabout how great you are.
Your own campaign talks abouthow great you are.
They come together and that'sthe idea, okay.
Well, what Darren White foundout and I could tell this week,
when he still had to get 1,800signatures and he had two weeks
left, he wasn't going to do it.
Okay, you can't do it.
Those numbers just aren't there, right?
So what he found out was,unless you're, say, the mayor,

(14:52):
or you have been mayor for eightyears or whatever, it's pretty
tough to get that manysignatures of people willing to
give you $5 unless you have agroundswell of support as a
candidate behind you and a lotof small dollar donors willing
to help you.
But Darren has found out thatyou know at this point it's not
going to happen for him.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Right.
So we go to this.
Another candidate inAlbuquerque's crowded mayoral
race has ended their bid forpublic financing.
Darren White announced Tuesdayhe would no longer pursue the
756,000 in taxpayer fundedcampaign money and criticize the
public financing system in theprocess.
So he goes on to.
You know we have the politicalanalyst, brian Sanderoff.
He said that while the publicfinancing system can benefit

(15:37):
incumbents, it doesn'tnecessarily create an unfair
playing field.
He says an incumbent has morename recognition.
Sanderoff explained Anincumbent might have more
supporters because he's beenmayor for four or eight years.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Right, right.
So what do you think, mike?
I mean, I haven't talked toDarren about this, I don't know
what they're thinking.
I know he hoped to get thesesignatures and obviously doesn't
.
But the whole public financingthing is always interesting.
You don't see it in a ton ofdifferent places, and really in
New Mexico this is the onlyplace where you see it of any
real significance.

Speaker 7 (16:06):
Yeah, I've never.
To be quite frank, I've neverheard of anything like that.
I find it very interesting.
I got a couple quick questionsfor you.
So how many candidates arethere right now that have
declared for mayor?

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Okay, so you have roughly nine, but here's the
problem.
So that number is going to becut at least in half, because
you have to have about 3,500signatures.
Do you have an update on?
the signature page yeah, sowe'll look up an update, Mike,
but the last time we looked,there are about three people
that have qualified with theamount of signatures, and again
the 3,500, do not count the $5.

(16:37):
None of that stuff.
It's just get an Albuquerquevoter to sign your petition to
run for mayor and so you're.
You're likely to have mayorKeller be able to do that.
There's there's a candidatethat's already done it.
That's a first time candidatejumping in, you bias, who used
to be a, a federal prosecutorhere.
He's a, I believe he's aDemocrat and he's he's in the

(16:58):
race.
Darren White's likely toqualify.
So about four or five of themare going to qualify, Mike.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Okay, so as of today, as of June 10th, three
candidates for Albuquerque mayorhave qualified for the ballot
by submitting the required 3000petition signatures.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Okay, what do we got?
Daniel Chavez which we talkedabout Right, he bought he, he
hired a bunch of people, got aton of signatures, did what he
needed to on it, okay and youbuy us you buy us, okay.
How far away is darren white?

Speaker 3 (17:24):
um, I do not have that information in front of me
and what's?

Speaker 7 (17:26):
what's the deadline?
Do we know the deadline is 21st?
Yep, it's in two weeks.
So creeping up?
Yep, it is so it is creeping up.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Let me see if I can find his.
Well, that hasn't been up thatthat's all right.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
So you've got those three.
So so, and mike, I would sayyou're probably going to have a
city counselor, louis sanSanchez.
He's likely to probably qualify, I think the colonel qualify.
So that puts you at five,probably somewhere.

Speaker 7 (17:47):
So what, what?
What is the benefit for Darrenwhite to do what he's going to
do from a financial standpoint?
He?

Speaker 2 (17:52):
has no choice Right.
So there is no, there's nobenefit.
Now, he already put time intothis Right and so for him, shows
how hard it is right, it's justdifficult.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
I mean explain really quickly to Mike and those
people that are listening.
I mean getting the signaturesalone.
How many signatures did youneed to run for governor of the
state Like?

Speaker 2 (18:11):
3,500.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Okay, and how many signatures do you need to be
mayor of Albuquerque?

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Like 3,500.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, it's insane.
You need the same amount ofsignatures to be mayor, then, as
you do it, to run in astatewide election for governor.
I just think it's a littlecrazy to try to get that it is.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
It is tough, I mean.
That's why those numbers arepretty high.
So I think you'll see, you knowwho knows.
But then you're going to havethis inter battle because you're
going to have some people thatare, that are going to qualify.
I don't know.
We may get six people thatqualify, and if you get six
people to again, the way itworks is we'll go to election
day first Tuesday in Novemberand then we'll break it down.
If somebody doesn't get 50%,we'll go to a runoff six weeks

(18:51):
later and then that person, andliterally 10% of the people that
live in the city of Albuquerque, will vote and decide the mayor
.

Speaker 7 (18:57):
Yeah which is it's a bummer.
Yeah, what's this?
What are the city folks sayingabout your current neighbor
keller?
What, what, what, what kind ofjob do they?

Speaker 2 (19:05):
think he's oh, I think there's wide
dissatisfaction, um, but itdoesn't mean he won't win, right
?
That's what's so crazy.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
I mean again we kind of are the uh, whatever.
What's that whole thing aboutbeing insane at?
The insanity is the rule of youjust repeating the same thing
over and over yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
So you know.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
I mean obviously crime, homelessness.

Speaker 7 (19:23):
everything has spiraled out of control here
under Keller's watch, and I meanI mean Darren White helped me
with my memory here back when Ilived there.
I think he was the sheriff fora little while.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
The sheriff had a DPS kind of, a kind of a more
centrist Republican, and thereare some Republicans who,
rightfully, are frustrated withsome of his positions on
marijuana and things like that,and so, yeah, so there's some.
So Darren's got to try tosolidify the Republican vote.
I mean, that's going to be hisbig task, and when you're more

(19:53):
of a centrist that's a littletougher to do.
We'll see how many people endup getting into the actual final
, you know, running here, andthen we'll know where he's going
to carve that out For him.
I think the more the merrierbecause Darren has a little
better name ID than I thinkeverybody else he's running
against, especially on theconservative side.
So we'll say good to hear.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
So still crazy in LA, Mike, let's jump into this
national story that seems to beswallowing all the oxygen on
every news organization.
But these LA riotsA riots.
I mean I don't know what it isabout LA, but they seem to light
things on fire in LA and theyhave riots, yeah.

Speaker 7 (20:28):
And let's paint the real picture here for a quick
second.
When this started on Friday, asyou know, went through the
weekend, still going on overthere right now, you know Tom
Holman came out and said thisthis was not an ICE deportation
attempt, ray, this was more of amoney laundering investigation.
When this whole thing startedon Friday and it was
misconstrued as if they werejust trying to deport a whole

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bunch of people, and this is howit exploded.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, and then you watch some of what's happened
here and you could see, I mean,these cop cars.
This doesn't even look realLike.
This, looks like AI, honestly.
You see these guys breaking uppieces of the road and pieces of
the curb and then throwing itat police officers.
Then it looks like take a lookat clip number eight.
I mean this is unbelievable.
It looks like they're firingmortars.

(21:16):
I mean, look at this right here.
You see a guy sitting here andthen launches it off.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
I mean these are peaceful protest guys I mean,
yeah, these are peacefulprotests.

Speaker 7 (21:24):
Okay, did you hear that you're right.
That's what hakeem jeffrey cameout and said earlier today yeah
.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
So there are a bunch of people still saying that, but
hold on, I want to finish withthe one more okay.
So the masks.
So then you go and see theseguys are coming out and they're
handing out masks so that theyeither don't get hit by debris
or they they're they're notaffected by any sort of tear gas
.
Look at this, this takes money.

Speaker 7 (21:46):
These guys opening up the back of a truck handing out
masks I was watching video thatzoomed in on some of these
masks, the boxes of these masks.
These are legit.
I mean, these are.
You're right, this is solidyou're looking right here.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
There it is.
Those are the masks right there.
They're called bionic shields.
This isn't free, right?
So there's money behind thisfunding?

Speaker 3 (22:04):
well, there's a lot of thoughts on who's funding it
right, probably the same thereare, and some of these
protesters are being paid aswell.
I mean, I hate to say that, butI mean it's true.
So if you think that it's not,it's absolutely happening.
I, I love the fact that thepeaceful protesters need to go
and loot from uh 7-11 and theyneeded.
They went and like a sushiplace.
They're lighting things on firebecause nothing says standing

(22:25):
up and being peacefullyprotesting, lighting things on
fire.
Oh, the other thing that Ithought was crazy you know those
self-driving cars.
Yeah, lit them up they orderedthem, lined them up and lit them
all on fire.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
How is that a peaceful protest?

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, no.
And then one other guy though,this guy too, 40-year-.
Yeah, how is that a peacefulprotest?
No, it's in.

Speaker 7 (22:44):
Then one other guy though this guy to 40 year old
Elpidio Raina.
Oh yeah, the guy throwing therocks on the side of the road.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
So let's take a look at this.
Let's let's show this videohere Now.
He had this helmet on and boom.
Just listen to this, ella, turnthat up for a second.
You can hear this.
He's come through just pelting,boom.
These are just normal drivers,by the way.
I mean this guy.
So the FBI still looking there.
He goes hammering that car.
You know they're still lookingfor this guy.
He has not been arrested.

Speaker 7 (23:08):
At least I don't believe he's been arrested yet
no, but there's a $50,000 rewardout on his head.
The FBI put out there and thesedrivers some of these drivers
were federal agents leaving agathering they were meeting and
organizing and I think it wascalled.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Paramount California, and they were coming out of
that meeting when he decided,when he he set himself up and
went after him.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
It's inexplicable so well, and I think what's
interesting is today, you know,I was reading a lot of things on
social media and just you knowpeople that live in California,
you know, some people I followare just like these poor
protesters.
They were just trying to bepeaceful and here comes Trump
and the National Guard and justcreate Trump's really the one
that's creating this, this chaos, and I just think what world

(23:50):
are we living in?
That you look at this?
I mean, have you steppedoutside or have you watched any
video?
Like I just keep wonderingwhere are they getting their
information from?
Because we're seeing verydifferent things that are taking
place in California.

Speaker 7 (24:03):
But they're living in an alternate reality.
I mean, come on, let's face it.
That's the only way to look atit.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
I also think they're living in a reality where the
media people so few people crossstreams on media.
In other words, you know so fewpeople will read the New York
Times, watch Fox News and readthe Wall Street Journal and then
listen to Megyn Kelly.
Right, right, get that person.
People who do that go.

Speaker 7 (24:24):
Oh, we do that, I understand.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
But my point being that most people who would say
there's nothing really going onhere, it's no big deal.
Overall, things are good, youknow they, just they're not
exposed to it because they don'twant to be exposed to it.
However, I'll tell you, acrossthe country, the numbers are
staggering in the directionthey're going in.
So harry enton went on cnn andhe started to talk about these
numbers, especially with peoplewho have newly immigrated to the

(24:50):
united states.
And we're going to go throughthis.
It's a little longer clip,we'll stop it a couple of points
and we'll react to it as we go,but these numbers are going to
blow you away and it really is awarning sign for people who are
thinking about running forpresident on the Democratic side
.
You cannot keep doing whatyou're doing.
What you're doing right now isnothing to see here.
We're siding with theprotesters.
It does not work Enough.

(25:12):
People now see it and socialmedia has changed enough that
they're going.
What are you kidding me?
And just look at these numbersfrom Harry Enten.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
Immigrant citizens.
Immigrant voters, foreign-bornvoters, have gone tremendously
to the right on this issue in2024 and 2025 versus where they
were in 2020.
Closest to a trust war onimmigration?
You go back to 2020.
Democrats get this.
Held a 32-point lead on thisissue.
Immigrant voters were in theDemocratic camp.
Jump forward to 2024, 2025.

(25:40):
Look at that shift, a 40-pointshift to the right among
immigrant voters.
Republicans now lead on thisissue by eight points over
Democrats, more so than anyother group that I could find.
The group of voters who becamemore hawkish on immigration were
, in fact, immigrants themselves, immigrants who are registered

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to vote in this country.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
OK, hold right there for one second.
Here's the argument I wouldmake to you both.
I would say that, because of amedia structure that did not
question Joe Biden, never justlet him go.
Let him do whatever he wantedto do.
They had and they've really setthis whole thing up because the
policy was so bad for so longand they denied it for so long

(26:25):
that finally, when people camearound to it, they're like this
is awful, what are you doing?
You can't do this.
No country can do this.
There isn't one on the face ofthe earth.
So, because Biden never had tooperate like a normal president
does, meaning say, if you're aRepublican and you have a
terrible policy that isn'tworking, the media is crawling
so far up your backside everyday, you got to answer for it

(26:47):
and you got to really assesswhat you're going to do.
Well, Biden never had to dothat.
So the policy went bad foryears and it went bad for years
and slid the whole country tothe right and therefore, really,
they did this to themselves bynot holding a Democratic
president accountable.
Had they held him accountable,had they ripped him upside down
and inside out and said what areyou doing?

(27:08):
You're letting all these peoplein the country.
Nothing's happening.
What's happening?
You've abandoned the border.
Why are you doing this?
Had they done that, he wouldhave had to stop and this never
would have gotten to the pointthat it's at today.

Speaker 7 (27:19):
Well, maybe, but let me just say this Obviously,
donald Trump, during his firstterm, at the end of it, did a
phenomenal job at the border.
Ok, he did, he almost sealed itto a certain degree.
Joe Biden came in, opened it upcompletely, said he said and
said there was nothing he coulddo about it.
It wasn't him, you know.
Congress has to do something,it's not me, it's not me, it's

(27:40):
not me.
Everybody, the media, as you'resaying, the media ignored and
let's call it the old schoolmedia, old school media that is
just in denial about what'shappening in this country.
So the American people, unlessthey do what you're saying they
should do, which is watchdifferent types of media to find
out the truth, because if youjust watch old media, you're
going to think one thing.

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If you just watch new media,you're going to think you're
living on a different planet.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
No, I totally agree.
But, mike, but if you, if you,absolutely this is what I'm I'm
saying on all this stuff, thatthat, with with not holding
their own side accountable andI'll put the media on the side
of the left here without holdingtheir own side accountable,
they're actually killing them.
They're killing them because,because what they're allowing
for is bad policy to fester andmetastasize till it destroys

(28:28):
them, and that's what that'swhere we are.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah, well, let's continue on with.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah, harriet, and keep going.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Kind of traditionally historically about Donald Trump
.

Speaker 5 (28:38):
Yeah.
So you know, you see this shiftand you go.
What is going on underneath thehood?
Well, take a look.
Donald Trump.
You remember when he first ranback in 2016,.
Immigrant voters are one of hisweakest box.
But look at this Trump's voteshare in presidential elections
among, again, immigrant citizens, those who are registered to
vote.
Look at this 2016,.
He got 36 percent of the vote.
You go to 2020, 39 percent ofthe vote.
Look at this in 2024, all theway up to 47% of the vote.

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Some polls I looked at had himbarely losing that vote.
Some polls I looked at had himbarely winning that vote.
Again, there is no block ofvoters that shifted more to the
right from 2020 to 2024 thanimmigrant voters and Donald
Trump, at least in some surveys,actually won that vote.
On average, it's about equal.
So there may be all this stuffright about undocumented

(29:23):
immigrants and Trump being harshon them, but immigrant voters
themselves have increasinglyliked Donald Trump and have
increasingly moved to the righton immigration into the
Republican.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
OK, and remember what we're really saying here.
He's just enforcing the law andthere are a lot of immigrants
that come to this country,including my grandparents.
They didn't want to go back toItaly.
They love this country and theydon't look at this country as
we're not Americans and theydon't look at this country as we
want to turn America intoanother country.
You come and then, when you doassimilate to this country, you

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become part of it, right?

Speaker 7 (29:59):
You come in the right way, you follow what you have
to do, you legally do it and youfeel like you earned it, as
opposed to these other peoplethat are running across the
border, that are being flown inin the middle of the night by
the biden administration.
That's why they're ticked off,and so am I yeah, yeah, no, it's
, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
all right, let's keep .
We got one other segment inthis to listen to and, by the
remember, these are voters whoare new to this country.
This is not people you know.
This is not minority, it's noteven minority voters.
It is voters that really justgot here, so they earned it.
They earned it, yeah,absolutely.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
On that.
What you're getting at, how,how, how, how immigrant citizens
voters feel about people in thecountry illegally.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
Yeah, and this is where it all kind of comes
together, kate Baldwin.
Look at this the net favorablerating immigrants who are here
illegally among immigrantcitizens again, those registered
to vote In 2020, look at thisplus 23 points on the net
favorable rating.
But look at where we were in2024, minus six points
underwater.
So immigrant citizens havebecome increasingly unfavorable

(31:00):
in their views of thoseimmigrants who are here
illegally.
So I think it's so important,when we're talking about this
debate from a political angle,to separate those out who are
undocumented immigrants versusthose who are here legally and
those who are citizens and thosewho are voters, because that
group of voters has feltincreasingly distant from those
immigrants who are here legally.

(31:20):
And so, again, when we'retalking about this, at least
from a political angle, this iswhy Donald Trump feels so
comfortable, because, in fact,amongst the group that you would
think that would be mostopposed to this, in fact they
become increasingly favorable,not just towards Donald Trump,
but towards a Republican pointof view on immigration and
becoming distant from thoseimmigrants who are here
illegally.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
OK, so then you look at this and you look at the
Democratic Party right now, whodoes not stand up for the rule
of law, does not stand up evenfor immigrants that are here
legally, for the country as awhole, they, they again.
They abandoned that.
And you look at the, at thenumbers, and you say this is
devastating.
They are hemorrhaging,hemorrhaging voters at this

(32:01):
point on so many differentangles, and so and all you get
back is that Trump, trump, trump, trump doesn't work, it doesn't
work.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
It also doesn't work when people are saying that this
whole thing, with him sittingin the National Guard of
California, he's trying tocreate this chaos.
He's trying to create this, oh,this big crisis, so we can be
looking.
You know, like he's more.
You know he's saving the day orwhatever.
He's got the highest approvalrate that he's ever had.
Right now, if we want to showthis next graphic highest

(32:29):
approval rate, he doesn't needto create a chaotic environment
to somehow make himself morepopular.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
So that theory that people are saying that, well, he
doesn't, he doesn't need to,but they're creating it for him.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Well, I understand that.
But the opposing side is likeoh, he's just sending in the
guard to make it about him andget an approval rating up, and
he doesn't need to do that.
So that argument actually fallsflat too.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Well, no, I think what I will tell you.
I think what this is right now,Mike, this is learning from
2020.
He goes, he looks back at 2020in Minnesota yes, and says he
goes.
He looks back at 2020 inMinnesota and says I didn't go
in, yes, I didn't go in and Ishould have.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
And it got worse and I let Tim.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Walz handle it, and it was a disaster Right.
And then he jumped Right.

Speaker 7 (33:10):
Yeah, I mean you saw the video of the cops that had
to leave that precinct buildingbecause it was being taken over
and they were told get out now.
And they ran.
They ran for their lives.
I mean, that's pathetic.
Trump saw that.
And yeah, you're absolutelyright, trump.
I'm sure Trump learned a lotand he did what he thought he
needed to do and didn't want tolook back and said I should have
.
So he did it and I give him alot of credit for that.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Well, I mean, let's just keep talking a little bit
about the leadership going on inCalifornia.
You got this mayor of LA.
What's her deal?

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Well, well, her deal well, well, her deal is it's the
same person who was on vacationduring the fire.
Right came back and wascompletely incompetent.
Karen bass, okay, and again,view all of this through what
harry and just said the group ofvoters that should be most
supportive of what thesedemocrats are doing actually are
not, so they're not even there.
So then listen to how karenbass handles trump, sending in

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the national guard to try tocalm things down.

Speaker 6 (34:04):
I just have to say that, if you dial back time and
go to Friday, if immigrationraids had not happened here, we
would not have the disorder thatwent on last night.
I will tell you that it ispeaceful now, but we do not know
where and when the next raidswill be.
That is the concern, becausepeople in this city have a rapid

(34:25):
response network If they seeice, they go out and they
protest, and so it's just arecipe for pandemonium that is
completely unnecessary.
Nothing was happening here.
Los Angeles was peaceful beforeFriday.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
OK.
So if only we'd stop enforcingthe law, then people wouldn't
get angry with law enforcement.
So should we?
Just that's breathtakinglyignorant, mike.

Speaker 7 (34:51):
Oh it's saying bring chaos on and we're just gonna
let it happen.
I mean that's beyond pathetic.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
And in a state that has seen more people leave than
come in.
For what?
Four or five years in a row?
Now, state of California.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
That's why I think it's interesting too, this whole
situation where a couple ofweeks ago, we're talking about a
Brego Garcia and that dueprocess and all this was ignored
, blah, blah, blah, the thissituation that was going in a
federal agents were going intoLA into that home Depot because
of this money laundering orwhatever was going on was taking
place.
It was actually true, becauseof due process, right, and they

(35:27):
were going.
They had issued a federalwarrant, they had a federal
warrant from a federal judge togo in there, right.
You don't hear anybody talkingabout the due process situation
right now.
You just hear about oh, it'sjust chaos, it was just, it was
so peaceful until you came in todo your job.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, I know it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Just keep everybody breaking the law and letting
Monday.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
No, there's no doubt we never would have had that
shootout with the cops.
If the cops wouldn't have triedto arrest that child molester,
we wouldn't have had it happen.
He was just being quiet sittingin his apartment.
Are you joking me?
Like this, this woman's, likethat's just idiotic.
But you watch that and you, youwonder.
You just watch them implode andyou say are you and guess what,

(36:05):
following right behind her.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, gavin Newsom is calling out Tom Homan.
Now here on the news and againwatching this, I feel like I'm
in middle school.
I feel like Gavin Newsom is nowin middle school.
So take a look at this.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
The fear, the horror, the hell is this guy?
Come after me, arrest me.
Let's just get it over withTough guy.
You know I don't give a damn,but I care about my community.
I care about this community.
The hell are they doing?
These guys need to grow up,they need to stop and we need to
push back.
And I'm sorry to be so clear,but that kind of bloviating is

(36:39):
exhausting.
So, tom, arrest me.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Let's go Okay.
So, number one they will neverarrest him because it's exactly
what he wants and it's what heneeds, so there's no way that
he's getting arrested, Right,okay, now, he would love it.
Don't get me wrong, he wouldlove to be arrested.
Remember, he's running forpresident in 2028.
He has presided over a statewith two of the biggest

(37:02):
catastrophes in the past year ofany state in the country.
He watched a good portion ofhis city, his largest city, burn
to the ground with no plan tokeep them safe.
When he had the water resourcesto do it, he didn't advocate or
allocate either one.
And so, therefore, you now lookat a red tape situation in the
state of California, which hehelped create, and it's really
not allowing for them to rebuild.

(37:23):
That's number one.
Number two he's also advocatingfor please stop enforcing the
law so we can let people do whatthey want, and it's a loser,
it's a political I'm justtalking politically, like from
the ugly politics of it.
Mike, I can't even believe anyof this.
I think it's such a poor way totry to execute on a message for

(37:43):
a party.
I just can't even believe it.
There's only one person who'shandling this the right way.

Speaker 7 (38:02):
I just can't even believe it.
There's only one person who'shandling this the right way, and
we's been the governor.
He's been overlooking that andthey've been looking for money
from the feds to help them onall kinds of things and they've
been giving out benefits toillegal immigrants.
And what that state has done isit's a crime and what that
governor is.
He has no business being aleader in that state.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Especially when you have like we showed the clip
last show the city councilwomanfrom LA basically saying get out
there there, fight, rise to theoccasion, fight, fight, fight.
Like it's just like we havethis building, like we want to
riot right and so there's allthis like bubbling under of,
like they're hoping to spreadthis movement.
That really is just to try tocreate more chaos against trump.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Really, that's how that's fine, but it's, but it is
a fringe in their own party.
Like they're literally going topare themselves down to 15%,
like that's what this is Like.
You watch all the video and yougo this is crazy.
And they come out and they'rebeing run by the 15% of the
extremists in their own partyand there's John Fetterman's,
the only guy who's making anysense.

(39:07):
Well, I mean Fetterman, againFetterman.
What he says right here is notsome Republican statement.
It's exactly how you wouldexpect a US senator to respond
when he doesn't like what hesees on his own side.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
I unapologetically stand for free speech, peaceful
demonstrations and immigration,but this is not that.
This is anarchy and true chaos.
My party loses the moral highground when we refuse to condemn
setting cars on fire,destroying buildings and
assaulting law enforcement.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, I mean thank you, I mean honestly, who would
have thought a few short yearsago John Fetterman would
regularly step in and just be avoice of sane sanity, right?

Speaker 3 (39:47):
He has been, he absolutely has people in his
party that are trying to get himout.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Believe me, his biggest his biggest threat is
going to be the primary inpennsylvania yeah, they're
trying because if he getsthrough, the primary.
He is going to be re-electedwith 65 percent of the vote in
pennsylvania.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Guaranteed, guaranteed well that's a good
point let's move on to thechinese scientists smuggling in
biological material.
I mean, what is happening here?
If we look at this articleright here, scientists accused
months ago of shipping materialdescribed as related to worms to
University of Michigan lab.
If you go on the AssociatedPress or that was from the

(40:23):
Associated Press.
Now the New York Post detailsmore on this A Chinese
researcher allegedly tried tosmuggle biological materials
into the US from Wuhan.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Wuhan, here we go again.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yeah, I know.
Let's not let anything fromWuhan come into this country and
lie to the feds about thissecretive scheme Go ahead and
say this guy's name.
Okay, well, well done.
Thank you.
Was arrested Sunday afterlanding at the Detroit
Metropolitan Airport on a flightfrom Shanghai.
According to charging documents, she was charged with smuggling
goods into the US and makingfalse statements.

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Han is the third Chinesescientist to be accused of
smuggling biological materialsinto Michigan in recent weeks,
and then it keeps going on tosay.
Investigators also discoveredthat Han deleted the content of
her electronic device three daysbefore she landed in the US.
The alleged smuggling ofbiological materials by Hahn is

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a direct threat to public safetyand national security, and it
severely compromises theintegrity of our nation's
research institutions, saidGibson, a special agent in
charge of FBI Detroit fieldoffice, in a statement on Monday
.

Speaker 7 (41:28):
Now, Christy, you understand that the reason she
deleted her phone is because shewanted a fresh start in the
United States.
Don't you know that?

Speaker 2 (41:34):
That's exactly right, and so the question is why
would she do this?
So there are basically threethoughts and three schools of
thought on why this has beendone.
Number one the fungal pathogencould devastate crops and
livestock.
They could be looking todestroy crops and livestock
across the country.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
We feed most of the world, so why would they want to
take after our food?

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Look, I don't know.
I mean, but again thinking thatwe don't have an adversary in
China, we do.
I mean, clearly, it saystransferring unregulated
biological materials allowsforeign institutions to bypass
US regulatory oversight andelevate their own biotech
capabilities.
Is there some sort of weirdpartnership going on there we
don't know about?
I don't know.
And then, finally, stateconnections and coordinated

(42:18):
behavior suggests this is morethan an accidental academic
smuggling.
Right?
It says it may be part of abroader strategy to implant
biological assets or knowledgesomewhere.
This is scary.
To implant biological assets orknowledge somewhere?
This is scary.
I mean, you know, we talk aboutthis all the time.
You know buying up land,agricultural land in this
country, but like that shouldn'tbe allowed.
I mean, I'm sorry, we can't gobuy, I can't go buy anything in
China.

(42:38):
I'm not allowed to go buy thatbuilding in Shanghai, I can't do
it, you know.
And so they shouldn't be ableto buy anything here.
Right thing here.
I mean, I'm sorry, it's anightmare.

Speaker 7 (42:47):
And think back to the Biden administration under
Christopher Wray, then the headof the FBI, testifying on
Capitol Hill saying howfrequently they are starting an
investigation into somethingthat China is doing here or
against us.
It was ridiculous at how often,and so this has been going on
for a long time and it's notgoing to go away, and something

(43:09):
really, really needs to be done,because the American people
need to open their eyes towhat's happening.
Many have, but but a lot stillhaven't, because China is going
for the jugular, I'm telling youright now.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Well, and I just you wonder, like, how much of this
is being reported again in thatlegacy media?
How many people are actuallyaware of all this?
I mean, that's also the scarypart is when people don't know
what's actually going on.
Yeah, no, that's true.
Okay, so your whole theory herethat, uh, moving on to our next
story news sites are gettingcrushed by Google's AI tools,
you so, basically?

Speaker 2 (43:39):
or even not even also chat chats, killing them too,
when you more and more want toknow the answer to something
where you would have Googled itright and gone to a website
you're going to chat, right?
Well, that, or you just go toGoogle, you hit your question in
and AI comes up with a summaryof the articles with the clips
Right, and so I heard somebodymake the point that maybe in

(43:59):
this article we're about to read, but it says basically in the
Wall Street Journal it saysGoogle has gone from a search
engine to an answer site.
Right, it just gives youanswers.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Yeah, chatbots are replacing Google searches,
eliminating the need to click onblue links and tanking
referrals to news sites.
As a result, traffic thatpublishers relied on for years
is plummeting.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, and it says AI Armageddon is here for online
news publishers Chatbots.
Is that what you just said?

Speaker 3 (44:23):
I just read that yeah , very good work, you did great.
I just read that yeah, verygood work, you did great.
You did great.
It was really good Mike, helistens to me so well.
I really do, after all theseyears of marriage, he really
tunes in Okay, so let's go toclip 23,.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Mike and you can respond to this because I am an
idiot Look at these numbers,look at this graph.
Business Insiders numberstanking, washington Post numbers
tanking Wall Street Journal'sactually stayed pretty strong
because they do a good job ofwriting their opinion page is
very good and they do a good jobof investigative reporting.
Huffpost tanking you look atthese.
This has got to be anadjustment and, mike, you're

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part of a news organization.
News organizations have toadjust to some degree with AI.

Speaker 7 (45:07):
How do you do it?
Honestly, it's a work inprogress.
Right now, I don't thinkanybody really really knows the
right answer to that, but what Iwill say is I do research on AI
all the time.
For example, how many nuclearpower plants are active in the
United States?
Right now, I think it's like 46.
How many nuclear reactors arethere?
It's like 96 or something tothat effect.
It's a great place to go, andyou're exactly right.
I thought about it earliertoday.
I was going to put somethinginto Google that I'm like wait a

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minute, I'm going to gostraight to Grok and ask my
question and get a solid answer.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
But here's the thing you guys are missing.
Ok, if Washington, ifWashington Post or Wall Street
Journal or HuffPost, if they alldecide to go away or whatever,
there'll be nothing for the, forthe AI to be, to aggregate and
to be giving that information.
So AI needs these news mediaorganizations to stay relative
and keep putting the informationout.
The hope is that if you reallyare more interested into a deep

(45:57):
dive, you click on the actuallittle paperclip icon that it
comes up on no, you gave me likethe stink eye.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
No, it wasn't the stink eye.
It's a bad idea, no wrong, youtotally misinterpreted the
confusion eye with the stink eye.
It's a bad idea, no wrong, youtotally misinterpreted the
confusion eye with the stink eye.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Well, I just think you need it here's.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Let me just show you the stink eye.
Okay, that's the stink eye.
Okay, this is a confusion eye.
Like I'm confused, I don't know.
I mean, I think you're probablyright, but at the same time,
what do you do?
Because ai is going to outpacewhat a lot of these, these sites
, are going to be able to dothey're losing money.
A lot of them are are going tobe able to do.
They're losing money.
A lot of them are losing money.
They're going to go under.

Speaker 7 (46:30):
So what do you?

Speaker 2 (46:31):
think AI is going to be like.
Like, ai is not this livingthing, it's just going to adjust
and amorphosize and keepgathering information from other
places.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
It's going to have to gather information from
reliable sources, or we're allgoing to be the dumbest people
on the planet, like literally,if we all just believe what AI
says without actually sayingwhat's the source that it's
pulling this from.
It could be coming from Redditor BuzzFeed or something like
that.
That isn't actually accurate.
So I just think you have toalso make sure you're still
doing some of your own research.
It's one thing to say like, hey, plan a trip schedule for me.

(47:03):
I'm going to the Philippinesand I'd like a a seven day
travel schedule.
That's different than saying,hey, how you know what is the
nuclear reactor?

Speaker 2 (47:11):
We all understand that, but I mean what it, what
it gathers from, is going tohave to change, can it?

Speaker 3 (47:16):
pull stuff from a paywall, from behind a paywall?
That's what I'm curious about,cause a lot of these news sites
you have to pay for, like Ican't get into wall street
journal, for instance.
My guess is it can work aroundthat.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah, I think the information that gets aggregated
out, it's able to pull thatback in other sources.
For example, when you run anarticle in the Washington Post,
oftentimes it will rerun under adifferent byline, under Yahoo,
for example, and they can pullit somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Right, I didn't, because then that becomes a
question of is it going to justhave to?
Everything can be under apaywall, so then AI can't
actually get into it.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Or say I can't figure out the paywall, why can't they
pay for the paywall?
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Yeah, like, why, why?
Why would they not?
Clearly, I don't have, like youknow, like chat gpt can afford
to buy every paywall, buy behindevery.
I'm telling you, as you know, Iteach part-time and this is a
conversation that we're havingas an administration of the
school.
How do you, how do you helpprotect our students from using
chat gpt to write all theirpapers for?

Speaker 2 (48:20):
you right they.
They sit down in class that dayin the old blue book style and
write you a paper that isactually one of the
conversations we're having,right so paper you, you you
during class yes, our school isvery anti.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Like bring your computer and work on it.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
No, that's called the blue book guy a notebook it's a
notebook write it out.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
I haven't done this.
It's elementary school well,guess what?

Speaker 3 (48:48):
it's coming back.
The problem is with that isbecause I've had students do
that when I want a writing, anactual writing sample from a
student, when I had all mystudents write, so their kids,
and handwriting is justillegible.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
Yeah, you can't read their handwriting.
No, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
We'll bring back the old school typewriters, Mike.

Speaker 7 (49:03):
Remember that college yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Yeah, yeah, we'll put the, we'll put the little
typewriter ribbon in there?

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Had to take typing class, Of course this is going
to be how my text isn't typing.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
This is you typing.
I already know you use your twoindex fingers right here and
that's probably how you typed.
I'm just going to take a stab.
That is a site that.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
That was a nasty look .

Speaker 3 (49:23):
I saw that was a nasty look.
That wasn't confusion.
That was not confusion.
No, that was nasty, no she'sattacking me.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
I mean she's attacking me.
Let's not pretend she's not Allright, mike.
Well, we appreciate you joiningus.
I'm sorry you had to witnessChristy being mean to me at the
end of the show.
No worries, no, mike, what'scoming up on Victory News later
this week?
Wednesday, thursday, friday.

Speaker 7 (49:45):
Oh, it's tough to say .
We're going to keep watchingwhat's happening with the Senate
with the big beautiful bill.
Are they going to move towardand have a vote prior to July
4th?
Obviously we're worried aboutthat.
We have the Democrats that arecoming out claiming all kinds of
things about that bill and thenyou've got obviously the
ongoing that we haven't heardmuch about because of LA, of
Donald Trump versus Elon Musk.
We'll see how that plays out,but it's govictorycom and we

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We are now on 5 pm Central time, 6 pm Eastern time.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Monday through Friday Okay, is it an hour long?
No, it's 30 minutes right now.
30 minutes, okay, you're aslacker, so do an hour, mike, we
just literally sat here for anhour in time.
You guys can't even puttogether an hour show.
They're like 14 of you.
All in due time, in due time.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Mike, I'm sorry.
Now you're taking the abuse.
I mean I'm sorry, Thanks forjoining us at home.
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