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On Mon.'s No Dunks, the guys discuss SGA and the Thunder making plays down the stretch in Game 4, whether Nikola Jokic can rediscover his shooting touch, the Pacers blowing out the Cavaliers, Benedict Mathurin's ejection, Julius Randle's dominant postseason, Payton Pritchard and the Celtics finally hitting some three-pointers, and more. That, plus we play pickleball to determine who will win tonight's NBA Draft Lottery.


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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pairs mealy peaches, slimy, pineapples, pointy, and half of one cherry.
It's not enough. Half of one cherry. It's not enough.
It's more than enough. It's more than enough. It's not

(00:21):
it's more than enough, and they will be thankful for it,
for they do not deserve it.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Good morning Swirl. Then, welcome to the No Dunks Podcast
presented by Amazon Prime. It's Monday, May twelfth, twenty twenty five.
This is the Classic Factory. I'm Jay Skeets and alongside me,
as always Task Melis.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Podcast listeners and cherry lovers. I just had some yesterday.
They were great. This one's for you.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Next to him, it's the Bearded one with Topsha, Hot Boy,
Tray Kirby, Hey yo, and Overyonder making the magic happen.
Super producer JD. Hello, there he is, and here we
are everybody on YouTube. Hello, podcast listeners. On today's show,
we're gonna get you all set for tonight's Game fours
in Madison Square Garden and the Bay will show you
who wins the NBA Draft Lottery todnight before it even happens.

(01:13):
We already know we figured it out over the weekend.
But first let's break down Saturday's games. Let's start with
the early one because it was the more entertaining of
the two. Though it was Bubba Sparks, it was ugly.
Oh my god. SGA score twenty five helped the thunder
pass the Nuggets ninety two to eighty seven, tied the

(01:34):
series at two games apiece. But they shot it combined
twenty one for eighty six from three point range tasks.
They missed over one hundred shots combined. There heyday Sunday
afternoon Nuggets had eight points I guess in the first quarter,
but we're in the game because you know, the thunder
excuse me, the Nugget. Did I say that right? The
Nugget scored eight points. Yeah, yeah, but the thunder weren't

(01:54):
going that much more. But in the end, okay, see
got it done. Clutch play from SGA and the team.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Absolutely. This looked a little for OKAC in the fourth quarter.
They were down eight points. It looked like Game three
where they may not be able to recover, and they fought.
I thought Shake Gildas Alexander's fourth quarter compared to his
fourth quarter in Game three, was way better. I thought
in Game three, where he settled for threes a lot
of the time. He was one of eight in that
fourth quarter. Half of his shots were threes. He was

(02:20):
just trying to win it from the three point line.
In this one, they pushed it. Shay led that they
distributed the ball a lot more. You know, he was
three of seven in the quarter. He did have a
couple of dagger attempts there, Yeah, under but I thought
those were okay because they're up five. They're both on
one possession where he tried to hit a three and
then they got an offensive rebund. I thought that was fine.

(02:40):
Him pushing the ball I thought was important in the
fourth quarter because when they're down four or excuse me,
down eight early in the fourth quarters, they start distributing
and their depth came through Cason Wallace splash, another one,
Keep on pushing that ball. Cason Wallace splash at two threes,
Aeron Wiggins another one, splash. So they just got all
their guys going. Their depth showed. Bench points were thirty

(03:03):
five to eight in this game the Nuggets. That's obviously
a problem, even though their starters won seventy nine to
fifty seven. Somehow, in this game, the man Jokic wasn't
the guy. No, he was not, seven of twenty two
in this one, only hitting three shots in the paint.
The team only hit ten shots in the paint total.
Because of how good the Thunder are at helping, they

(03:23):
were showing Jokic bodies. I thought Shay was good at
one possession doing it to Jokich. What do you think
the Jokic reasoning is behind this? Now? Two almost three
bad games.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Worst stretch of three games that he's ever had. I
think he's been under forty percent from the field, and
all of it. A lot of it is the Thunder defense.
They're only guarding Jokic for the most part. It's boxes
and elbows every single time. Jokic is eleven of sixteen
in the restricted area for the series. That's four attens
per game. At the rim, he's twenty five of seventy
two everywhere else. He's gonna have to hit jumpers to

(03:55):
be able to beat this Thunder team because they're showing
him his defender, a defender behind the and then a
guy reaching down trying to strip it every single time.
That's why his turnovers are up. He's got twenty three
turnovers to just nineteen assists. He's throwing passes to nobody.
How often are you seeing Yokic as this where he's
just chucking it into the first row.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
It's happening a lot.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Yeah, in this series, he's like out a rhythm, which
he's completely he can't make a jump shot right now.
His three pointer has completely abandoned him. He was two
for eight in this game, twenty one percent from the series.
He's even not shooting free throws well, was eleven or
fourteen last night. That's very good. We had two big
misses down four with three minutes and fifteen seconds left.
He's only shooting seventy eight percent for the series. Sounds

(04:33):
pretty good, but he's a career eighty two percent free
throw shooter, never had a series or never had a
season below eighty seventy four percent so far in this
playoffs by far the worst of his career. And the
Thunder are so good defensively that they can help on
Jokic and get out to the shooters because they're not
worried about him at all. Maybe Michael Porter Junior can
have a big night shooting, Maybe Jamal Murray can have

(04:54):
a big night shooting. But last night mpjaozo for five,
Christian Brown two for nine, Westbrook two for nine. The
Nuggets blew their lead with Yolkic on the bench, and
then they lost the game with Yokic on the court.
He just has not been MVP level, and it's because
the Thunder are such a good defensive team and he's
out of rhythm. Maybe his elbow's bothering him. He heard
it in the first round, but no excuses.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
At this point. You got to make some shots if
you're gonna win.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, I think that's fair, especially when like they really
are down to like six guys the Nuggets. He brought
up the bench contributions from the Thunder. That was that
part of that, like eleven zero run where guy suddenly
hit some threes and they were right back in the game.
And then SGA took over down the stretch. I like
that little stretch there from SGA where he drove on Murray,
got him on his hip, and he had one sort

(05:37):
of do a Yokic like shot right we're being hit
the backboard, hit a couple parts of the rim and
fell in. Then he hit a tough fade away on
Christian Brown over in front of his own bench. And
then a little bit later after setting up Jalen Williams
JDub who had a really bad game except for that
really timely bucket to help beat the Denver zone back
to SGA, he blew by Jokic in a pick and

(05:59):
roll up top and just sort of snaked his way
for the easy layup. So he came up really short
SGA in games one and three. But really good reminder.
I thought in game four that this guy is among
one of the most clutch players in the league of
the last couple seasons in regular season, So big game
for him, and I mean again, it got really close.
It was a dogfight, of a rock fight whatever for

(06:19):
them to pull this out. Otherwise they're down three to one,
and I think people would be in saying, I don't
know if they can win three straight. Oh of course
against Denver, so they may save their season there.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
With that game. Yeah, the resiliency of this team showed
in the fourth quarter again, down eight points early, they
all came together and we would be talking definitely about
Okay See in general and Shay in general if Denver
could hit some jumpers, because Shaye missed three shots and
had a turnover within a span of a minute thirty
from the two minute mark down to thirty seconds because

(06:48):
he tried to win it. Then he lost the ball
off himself, and then it was fine him trying to
win it because Denver couldn't hit a shot. So what
does it really matter in the end, because they just
had a bad fourth quarter, really just just fell apart.
Is it the depth? Is it the thirty six hour
turnaround everyone was talking about from Friday night to Sunday afternoon.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
That was the problem in the first quarter, for sure.
Twenty five total points. They should never do that. They
should never have a game that quickly cheded.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Even said it in the you know, midgame interview, right,
He's like, this is basically as close as you can
get to sort of a back to back in the
playoffs because we played that night, it went to overtime
and then we have the afternoon game. Is a little
strange that it was like, it just why wouldn't they
have flip those two and done Indie Cleveland maybe during
the day, and then do this one at night. That
is a little watch.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Sure, yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Had some impact. It appeared nobody could score.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
That was a disgusting person that was crazy. I also thought,
okay see, once.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
We get to the fourth quarter and they're actually like
learning how to play basketball ones again, okay see, was
much better against the zone than Denver was against the zone.
It was zone versus zone. Okay see basically playing a
three to two for most of the time. Denver in
a two to three. Okay see, you watch the ball,
it's going side to side, side to side, side to side.
Jalen Williams did not score well at all until he
started hitting some free throws at the end, but he
was driving the ball, had a couple assists in the

(08:00):
fourth quarter. Meanwhile, Denver, they're just trying to get into
the two man game with Jokich and Murray, and that's
bringing Hartenstein and Alex Caruso, who closed the fourth quarter
in this game, into every single action. It's just taken
them forever to even get their offense going because they
have to fight so hard to even get Yokich or
Murray open with those two guys switching screens, battling through.
Okay se, he just has a much better game plan

(08:22):
for the fourth quarter, at least in this game.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah, that's a great point about okay see figuring out
at least how to beat the zone, because I was
like pulling my hair out in some of those possessions
earlier in the game when they were seeing Denver zone,
like they would do the thing where like they wouldn't
move aside to side, and it was like, and I
think that's like the that's when the zone really is
working at its best. Oddly is like it's like, well,
I'm open on the wing, so I'll just let it
rip like eight seconds into the shot clock. And if

(08:46):
you don't hit it. I mean, look, if you hit it, okay, fine,
you're beating the zone because you're hitting threes. But if
you don't, it's like, oh, that's a bad shot. Defense
didn't have to do anything, you know, get those things.
But if you move it and then you attack when
it gets swung to at least get to the paint
to then kick out or maybe get a shot at
the rim, yeah, then you at least have the Denver
defense scrambling and working. But they didn't do that for
a majority of the game until that second half. I

(09:07):
thought more and more it was swinging and was that
Legler on the call on this one?

Speaker 3 (09:12):
If I remember, I think.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
James okay, yeah, j Bills. He was pointing that out
that it's like, oh, this is when they'res was when
they're doing their best, when they actually just make it move.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
A little bit. Yeah, and it looked like, okay, sees
season is on the line here as they were struggling
to move the balls into the third quarter. They lost
that third quarter by twelve points because they couldn't move it.
And then the fourth quarter, all right, we're down to one.
We're here in Denver, back to back games. It looked bleak. Yeah,
but they finally decided all right, I mean, we just
need to move the ball. And Trey just mentioned Alex

(09:40):
Crusoe for the first time. It's it's crazy that we
took this long to mention Alex Scrusoe because I thought,
this guy is their heart. He was the guy who
was resilient enough, was the is the older guy to
say we ain't losing he unk. Yeah, he's the whole
guy on this team, no doubt, but he was. He

(10:02):
was awesome defensively the entire game, every single minute he played.
So he showed resiliency and then yeah, he decided we're
moving the ball. I mean he was part of that
as well. He helped move it out.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, and on a night like that was a good
coaching decision to like, at least go to Caruso more
than dort in this game, who's really struggling to like
Hinny and he sort of shot. He's out there for
defensive purposes, yes, but Caruso's like giving you that, and
he's able to, like with confidence, take and make a
three from time to time. He was great chipped in
ten points.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
And Dorta is a.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Dorda is doing a great job on Jamal Murray. But
Caruso is a lot better player. Yeah, I mean the
deef no, I think period overall. Shoot when Dort he's
out shooting door and they're leaving dort Yeah, they don't.
They don't care about Dort. He outscores and like Caruso
can dribble, Caruso can pass. He's a better playmaker on
both sides of the ball. He gets steals and he
gets blocks. I wonder if he'll get a start eventually

(10:51):
in this series or if you know, Degnol is just like, hey,
this is how we play. He comes in sixth man
and plays the entire fourth quarter. I don't know, but
Cruso has been. He's been one of the best three
players on the Thunder for this whole series.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Oh yeah. I mean, like in last night's game, he's
I don't know where you slought him. He's the second
or third best player on the floor last night.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
He just gets his hand on the ball all the time.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
Yeah yeah, but rebounds, tip outs, little deflections.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
He just makes it impossible to play against.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, especially in a game where Jay I mean, Jadub
was awesome in Game three. I mean, he's the only
reason they were in that game. But bad Game four.
And then I thought Chad Holgren had a big rebound
offensive rebound late in this game. I thought he had
a pretty bad game overall. He looks scared to me.
I think he's getting the ball and that thing is
swung immediately, Like take a look at it, man, you
can shoot. And then but it's Crusoinheartenstein. I mean, I

(11:36):
guess give the game call to Sam Presty forgetting those
two guys in the offseason, because like they were huge
different makers. Cruzi we already talked about. But Hartenstein like
eight points, okay, but fourteen boards. He had a steal,
he had a block, and just like those two guys
just playing with some tenacity, knowing like the seasons on
the line here, guys like we got to just at
least play out play harder than them.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Respect to the Denver defense for just throwing everybody into
the key and not allowing to score and making everybody
else hit shots around them, which they just currently aren't doing.
I mean, when you guys, when you're saying Caruso deflections,
I think Christian Brown was that version on the other end.
He was doing a really good job of doing that.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
So he's future Caruso for sure.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
Yeah, yeah, you can be around. Start losing your hair,
shave his head. He's eighties villain Side Park going on
right now. But as soon as he starts hitting mail
pattern ball really take off.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
His mom was in the audience yesterday for Mother's Day. Danielle,
my wife, said, oh, yeah, I can see the likeness.
And I said, what, I didn't see it. She said, well,
their upper lip is very similar. Wow. Yeah, I guess.
As they showed it multiple times, like okay, it came
back around and I said, yeah, yeah, I see, I
see a couple of lips there. Yeah. I was there.

(12:50):
I was watching the in arena feed for for Denver.
So they showed it multiple times. Oh really, they showed
all the moms out there in the end. Yes, I did.
I did from our no Dunks fans which I was
asking for.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
The Nuggets gave it to you on the podcast.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
I appreciate. I appreciated that montage. It was nice.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Any other notes from this one? And what do you
think moving forward here? Trey and like, I mean, I
guess the flip side were like, yeah, okay, see needed
it and they're in it. Like is the opposite true?
Like did the Nuggets sort of lose their chance to
maybe win this series? Or are they, you know, still
in this best of three? I guess with two in Okac.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
I mean they've won one in Okac already, they got
to be confident. But okay, see, is one in denversus
their confidence the best of three series? And in general,
I think Denver is going to out execute fourth quarters
that didn't happen in game four. So this one still
to me as a toss up, feels like a seven gamer.
I got a ton of random notes from this one.
We're talking about Jaylen Williams having a bad game. I
didn't really think so he couldn't score, that's absolutely true.

(13:47):
Two for thirteen, but six of six at the line
made the last four for the thunder, had five assists.
I mentioned how good he was attacking the zone. I
also thought he really brought the defensive intensity and the
first quarter setting the tone for the Thunder. He was
garden Aaron Gordon three deals in a block in the
first quarter alone. He was all over the place. He
just could not make a shot, which was true for
a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
What else.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
Russell Westbrook was playing on defense on Shay Gilder Alexander
at one point and Mark Jones said, in his chest
like bronchitis. I like that one a lot.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Man, Mark Jones, man, he's got He's got a line
for everything.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
It's fun to watch it with people who aren't like
tapped into watching Mark Jones every single night, that aren't
watching him on Sacramento Kings broadcast, because then.

Speaker 5 (14:24):
When you hear it, you're like, wow, this.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
Guy is line a minute and it just feels scripted
every single one, if I'm being honest with you. But
there's like totally he's he's like good defense in his
chest like bronchas.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Fast though he doesn't he's great he is great and
then he's the human dictionary too. Yes, he is biquitous
and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
Yeah, I really like the grift off in the second
quarter when Shay Guilders Alexander draws a foul Onkic underneath
the hoop, Jokic is mad because it's basically Shay uses
his off arm and shot a layup with his left hand.
I think he didn't make the lamp one TI line
for two. So the next time down, Jokic is like.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
They're gonna give me the call no matter what happens.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
So he just drove it Hardenstein and threw up like
a falling to the right side thing.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
They called it on the ground, but they were in
the bonus so we got the free throws.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Oh, it was a crazy call though. Shooting, Yeah, he
was shooting.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
It was weird, Yeah, but it was.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
He's the one where he was like jumping up and down.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
Yeah. Not the biggest burgle you've ever seen from flying
he got.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
I thought that was pretty funny. Good random notes.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Anything to add test, No, Jokic. I love the effort
from that guy, and even if the shots aren't going down.
He was seven of twenty two, but it's more like
a seven of nineteen because he took the end of
shot for the seventh or excuse me, for the first
second and fourth quarters. He's he just chucks him up
like the sixty foot end of quarter type of shot.
He was going for it. Yeah, he just he doesn't

(15:46):
have his flow of the body's coming at him. I
guess I have turned him.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Hard sign obviously a big dude in great defenders. Then
you got chet like roaming around because a lot of
these guys they don't care about really all that much
from from deep, so he can sort of hang around him.
And then you always, like you said, you always have
like a Caruso. If he's not matched up on him,
one switches a Wallace, an SGA, a J Dub. They're
all god damn pesky ass defenders. So then that's the
third guy that kids to come in and just swipe

(16:14):
away at him. And it's good. It's you can see it.
It's like he's trying to figure it out, trying to
figure out where they're coming from. But yeah, for him
to have like the points is one thing, and the
shooting three assists, that's that's the win right there.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Man.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
You keep that guy to three assists. That means he's
obviously struggling a little bit with passing lanes that are
maybe aren't there that usually are. And then guy's not
hitting shots. It's the other part of the equation with
the assist.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
When Westbrook is playing this many minutes, it's gonna be
hard to rack up assists.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, yeah, he's open a lot.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
You'll shoot it when he's open.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
And they're taking away the key. So when Westbrook's cut
and making his cuts, he's not opening.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
Well, that's the crazy thing we're talking about. All the
help they're sending at Yokic and he's still only getting
three assists.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And uh, to bring up that Westbrook airball,
rarely see the air ball of the over the backboard
for usually an air ball is short, short, it comes up, Yeah, exactly,
that one sailed over. That one from the Cornery shot,
I guess in the fourth quarter if I remember correctly,
went over the rim, you.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
Know, just too too long.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
And you know, another part at bad Westbrook game, obviously
with the shooting and all that, maybe even worse. He
picked up three fouls there in the first six plus
minutes of that fourth quarter and including one where he
gambled for as steal and barreled into SGA and that
was a foul that helped the Thunder, who again we're
struggling to some extent to score at all, helped get
them in the bonus like six point thirty I think

(17:37):
left in the in the fourth quarter, like those those
rack up there early from Westbrook. So not a good game. Uh,
this is a series we never actually predicted, right because
we were gone and stuff like that and the way
it all fell out. So so let's get our predictions
here in a two two series, I want to know
where you're gonna go now that it's too two and
it seems like at least fair enough, close enough to

(17:58):
zero zero, where you go and Tray call the one? Well,
I mean, really, are you going okay?

Speaker 5 (18:04):
Nuggets in seven?

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Wow? Okay, there you go. That's I'm glad.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Because you know everybody's taking the Thunder.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
So you're going thunder. But are you going six or seven?
It's the question.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yeah. I think we've we're gonna see a good Yokicic
game because as much as the defense is preventing him
from seeing his passing lanes and his shots, I think
he's just having off shooting. I mean to shoot twenty
one percent from three throughout the series. That ain't yo kitch.
He's gonna have a good one. So they're gonna win
a game, but they're not gonna win two. I'll take

(18:35):
the thunder and seven.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, I like that too. That would be my pick
right now. This feels like there's still one more Denver
win here. They've pulled some crazy ones out to go
back what Trey was saying in some clutch situations, but
they just need Like I guess, the one good thing
is like it's a game they lose, and basically everyone
played bad for them, you know. It was it like
a wasted Jamal game or a wasted Gordon game, or
a wasted yokicch game. It's sort of like everybody's stump.

(18:59):
Now that's the thunder De doing that. Like, don't get
me wrong, but there'll be a game once again here.
I think in these final three, if we get them,
then it will all click and they'll get another victory.
But I like, okay, see in seven, oh you got
Denver and seven, let's hear from you guys in the
stream team where you going?

Speaker 5 (19:12):
I got two more notes for you. Sure.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
Number one, Mister Nugget is a funny nickname. You don't
think about it until you hear it on the broadcast.
You know, we all know Aaron Gordon is locked in
with Denver. They love him there. He lived in a gym.
Now he can shoot threes. So his nickname is mister Nugget,
which is hilarious to hear on a broadcast.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
Mister Nugget.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Also, David Adalman makes me think of Shadrack by the
Beastie Boys because he is madder than Mad's Alfred E.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
Newman. He just looks like such a mischievous little kid. Yeah,
not on the tea, like the gaps in his teem.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Nora could not believe he was the head coach. It's crazy.
Who is that? Guy said, that's the new head coach
he sort of took over. Yeah, he does not look
like a head coach. Yeah, I know his dad was
a famous coach. You know, he's been in the obviously
assistant for a long time. But I get it. He
does not appear to be no an NBA head coach.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
It makes me our day not look like.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Old man squinty lord serious man. Yeah for sure, all right, well,
let's keep it going here. Let's talk about the blowout
from Sunday, the East top seed on the brink of
elimination because the Pacers blew at the Cavs one twenty
nine to one oh nine in Game four, they take
the three to one lead here in their second round series,

(20:21):
they built a forty one point halftime lead. Sayd how
just like this got out of hand in such a
hurry for Cleveland of course, and then it was over.
I mean, I know we've seen a lot of twenty
point comebacks, you're not seeing that I've seen at forty
one point come back, especially after Donovan Mitchell tweaks his ankle,

(20:41):
you know, getting ready for the second half, and then
they shut him down for the entire second half. So
what were your takeaways or your notes from this one?
TK get started here?

Speaker 4 (20:48):
Yeah, it was a sixty one to thirty seven game
late in the second quarter. That's a huge lead. That's
a twenty four point lead. You're not confident going into halftime. Uh,
and then Indiana went on a nineteen to two run
after so pretty bad, such a big blowout that I
literally turned it off and watched the movie Blowout. Oh wow, yeah, fitting, yeah,
I wasn't realizing that until this morning. I was like, oh, nice,

(21:09):
So that was good. But I think the big key
here was that Indiana had solutions against the zone that
we saw on Friday night from Cleveland. Basically, Evan Mobley
is at the top of their three two zone. They
figured out if we screen him and roll down the lane,
it's all little guys down there. And guess what, Tidrome
ain't doing nothing at the rim. Darius Garland ain't doing
nothing at the rim. They attacked every switch in the post.

(21:32):
It felt like whether it be Siakam or even Obi
Topons was scoring in the post. I don't know if
they beat every single mismatch down there, but it seemed
like they went every single mismatch down there. Siakam finished
with twenty one, Turner had twenty, Obi Toppin had twenty.
I was a little worried early in the first quarter.
Pascal picks up two files in the first four minutes
of the game. He's playing pretty well. Uh oh, this

(21:53):
could be bad. Turns out, Obi Toppin leads Indiana and
scoring in the first quarter, hit some threes and stuff.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
So I just think it's bad.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
This was certainly a dominant performance from Indiana, and I
think that their bigs have outplayed the Calves bigs for
the majority of the series. Now, obviously Evan Mobley missed
the first two games, but he was decent in Game three.
But in general, Siakam and Miles Turner have been better
than Jared Allen and Evan Mobley had been for the Calves.
That should have been one of Cleveland's advantages, but it

(22:22):
hasn't been. And you gotta start casting some aspersions at
Jared Allen here two points, two points last night?

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and two boards.

Speaker 5 (22:32):
Yeah, I know, is he seven feet tall?

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yeah? I know Indiana's hitting shots, But no, he was not.
He was not there. I think you look up and
down the Cavs roster.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Who was there?

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Nobody? Yeah, that twenty point final score is nothing close
to what actually happened out there was one twenty nine
one o nine. But Donovan Mitchell said at halftime, I
ain't playing the second half. Now. I don't know how
bad his leg is, but they are I'm assuming him
for game time. It was like, come on, we're down forty.
Aaron Ne Smith hit a shot at the buzzer at

(23:06):
the end of the second quarter to put him up
forty one, to just put a dagger in it, because
Cleveland didn't show up. They didn't show up, period. Everybody
on the tay. I I want to say Max Shrews,
he did show up. That guy plays hard. That being said,
nobody else did. I mean, it's like the old DMX song,
Where to calves, Where to calves? Where the calves at?

(23:26):
That's what I was singing. Where are they? Where are they?
Did not play? In Game four? And now the Pacers
obviously solved the zone and they were awesome. But when
Pascal Siakn goes to the bench and here comes Oobie
Top and he's just doing backdoor baseline cuts, You're not ready.
You're not ready. All these guys were not ready for
this game.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Cleveland had fourteen turnovers and just eight made baskets in
the first half, and I thought, I went and watched
all the turnovers again this morning because I remembered watching
it live last night. I was like, God, these are ugly,
Like half of these don't even feel like forced by
the Pacers, and a lot of them weren't. They had
six calves. Players had two turnovers each in the first
half here when they were down a million, Jared Allen,

(24:04):
he sailed one over Mobley's head in the corner. I
don't know he was rushing, he was panicked. I don't know.
It went like ten feet over Mobley's head over in
the corner. A minute later, Alan had another turnover where
he was like he was trying to wrap a pass
around to Mobili like in the paint, like shoot it,
big man, Like it's a little hook shot right there.
Not long after that, Mitchell rifled one out of bounds

(24:27):
like he saw I think it was Max Streuce like
cutting back door, but it was like three feet behind him.
Didn't like he got a fingertip on it. But turnover
Max Druce threw one at Alan's feet. He like just again,
Like I almost felt bad for Jared Allen on that one.
He was like, I think, even who is I keep
forgetting who's on the call on these games? But whoever,
it was pointed out like what was he gonna do
if you even caught it there? Like what were you thinking?

(24:49):
Strews and again he threw it right at his feet.
I think, yes, yes, yes yeah. And then Ty Jerome,
this guy was a mess. He's been a mess all series.
He traveled in the paint, didn't know what he was
going to do, and just you know, shuffled his feet
and then he threw away one where he tried like
you know, pick and roll action up top. He like
tried to loop it over just way too nonchalant. That

(25:10):
was another turnover. Anyway, The whole point was they were
garbage and they got punched in the mouth and they
didn't know how to react and it just got out
of hand because the pacers were clicking and beating his
own and the cows were just turning it over time
after time.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah, and Mitchell was out there doing things. He tried
to decapitate Thomas Bryan on that dunk, but then he decided,
all right, I'm gonna go with my left hand. Like
he was out there, Mobile was out there, but they
really didn't show up. I hated when Darius Garland had
his third foul and Kenny Akinton decided to put him
to the bench. He was just smiling. I know, he
was sort of mocking that third foul call, but he
just wasn't wasn't locked in. If there's any positives, it

(25:46):
is that Darius Garland had his best quarter of this series.
When it went after half third quarter, he was the
ball was in his hands, especially because Donovan Mitchell was
not on the floor, so he had twelve points in
that quarter. So, you know, he's only played eight quarters
in this series because he was hurt the first two games.
But if there's anything to be positive about, I guess
it's that they can win a game. They could definitely

(26:07):
win Game five and then we're going back to Indiana hopefully.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
One of the spiciest things from this game was Benedict
Mathrin getting ejected for I guess the punch push to
DeAndrea Hunter's stirred him there. He got him in the chest.
Pacers were trying to inbound the ball, and that's what
Mathrin did, right, I mean, he popped him in the chest. Now,
whether it was a closed fist or a little a
bit of a push or a little bit of both.
Hunter sort of doubled over and then he walked over

(26:32):
to Mathren, who did the you know, wide arms spread
bro yeah, exactly, and he sort of got in his
face and then pushed him with the two hand shove.
He went down, and that's when Miles Turner came running
in he hip checked Hunter. In the end, they determined
that Mathrin punched him in the stern sternam and man like,

(26:53):
poor camera guy. So they didn't really have a good
shot of this one, did they, at least that we
saw in the broadcast. Never, you could never see it.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
No, we need the hawkeye camera to come back, or
at least an enhance or something like that. We never
got to see fist to stirn them. Maybe he did
the five point palm heart exploding technique.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Well that's what Wait when we were not getting good
camera views at first, I like, because you all you
were seeing was Hunters sort of go over. Did anybody
else think, oh, he must have tapped him in the balls?

Speaker 5 (27:18):
The reaction was balls, yes.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, But then of course you then they see it
a little bit and it's like, okay, he's definitely popping
them a little bit in the chest. But it's like,
I don't know, it felt like more of like a
These two are obviously not getting along good on TNT
for having that uh Mathron Hunter pack ready to go.
Oh yeah, that was the heart fell in game one,
them talking a little trash in game three, and then
this obviously in game four, but it didn't matter. I

(27:41):
think when it happened, you're like, oh, oh, Math, and
what are you doing? You guys are rolling right now.
Are you gonna like, you know, literally poke the bear
here and wake up the Calves? But no, they just
cruised even more well played by Math and I.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Guess yeah, the Calves didn't have anybody coming off the
bench to help DeAndre. Andre had a terrible game, even
though he stayed in and he pointed at his head
and said, see, I'm smart. You know I'm smart, but
he he looked like he was kind of lost in
this game. You know.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
It looked like the Calves could have used Caro Slipper
or George Dang.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Oh absolutely, I.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Know I'm a Hunter hater, but that that's what I thought.
It was like they could really use them right now.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, scrappy George, and yeah they could have used some fight.
I'm not sure where that hit was. When they came
back from replay, they showed it as close as possible,
but it was, you know, one of those pixelated the
same angle of the main angle. You really couldn't see it,
but it didn't look like a punch. I thought maybe
it was just a purple nurple, like what what else?
What else could it have been?

Speaker 2 (28:38):
But they determined it was punch enough.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
I guess yeah. And and the ref coming to the
microphone and saying it hit him in the sternum type
you know use we use the word sternum. You don't
hear that very often, so I guess they deemed it
that's a punch anyway. I mean, it is kind of
surprising DeAndre Hunter didn't get tossed in a way because
he came out, but anyway got a technical in.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Fact, and then Turner got a technical for I mean,
he was trying to like peace making, but he did
come in and bump the hell out one hundred, so
that's warranted, I thought. I think the shocking part was
more than mathroom. Maybe got tossed for that, Yeah, yeah,
when maybe yeah whatever, flagrant tech, whatever you want give,
but nobody has mathroom in our Instigator draft. So no,
no no impact on points anything else, TK from your

(29:23):
random note.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
So yeah, Darius Garland fixes his hair too much. I
knew this is.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
There's a play in the second quarter where you can
see him putting his ponytail up at the free throw line.
Pacer swing swing, the ball gets to Obi Topping in
the corner. I think the Calves are supposed to be
in zone there because it seems like that's Darius Garland's spot,
but he's late to get there, so Obi Topping drives
his baseline. He does the Doctor J layup finishes on
the other side, and then you see Darius Garland finishing

(29:48):
putting his hair up into a ponytail.

Speaker 5 (29:51):
Probably should do that during time out.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, that's not the first time he's ever done that too,
Maybe not even the first time in that game. I
think there was another one too, Yeah, where he's obviously
messing with it. It's like causing him some sort of discomforter.
He's trying to get it back. But yeah, the game's
going on.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
We're playing here.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, so there's that. Anything else from you guys on
this one, the blowout? Do you think the Calves are toast?

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Are they toast? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Like you think they maybe could win a Game five
in Cleveland, But.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
That's what the Pulse is saying my favorite newsletter. Yeah,
or the Calves toast? I do think I think they are. Well.
Game two is what they're gonna regret, missing a blowing
a forty eight performs from Donovan Mitchell not getting a
win because of course the Pacers are gonna win one
of two games at home. I mean, they're good enough
to do it, so they did that. But the Cavs
just need to freaking split at home, and obviously the

(30:36):
injuries are part of it. There's no doubt. But I
think the Cavs should should win Game five.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
We'll see, what do you think.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
I think it depends on if Mitchell plays. Sure, he's
been their only real source of offense so far, and this.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Is getting an Mris's what they're telling us. I'm with you, Tas.
I thought it was a bit more of like, Okay, yeah,
my ankle is sore. Everybody's sore, but like we're getting killed,
so let's save anything I have left in the tank
for game five. Yeah. But then I have seen the
clip of him. I don't know if you guys saw it.
There's some like sort of backboard clip of him coming
out there and warming up. He does seem to aggravate something.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
It's like doubled over.

Speaker 5 (31:09):
Yeah. Yeah, so for a rumper.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
We'll see if he plays. Obviously in their next game, man, yeah,
if he doesn't, They're in a lot of trouble. If
he does, can he can they at least get that
back to Indiana for Game six.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Yeah, I like last year where he missed the last
couple of games against the Celtics in Round number two.
He doesn't want to do that, so I assume I
assumed that it was just them being safe. But yeah,
they need him. But I guess it's a good thing
Garland did something out there in the second half. Anyway,
we'll see.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Let's talk a little bit about Saturday's games. We'll start
with Edwards and Randall leading the Wolves past the Warriors
one O two ninety seven. They have a two to
one lead now in their second round series. Julius Randall
first career playoff triple double, twenty four points, ten boards,
game high twelve assists. This guy is just turning into
Yokic Cher with the the assist numbers he's putting up.

(31:56):
He has been awesome, and it was great in the
fourth quarter. And this was an ugly game too. Obviously,
this was like what the Warriors were trying to do
here and help their best chances to maybe get a
victory without Curry. You had Butler a lot more aggressive.
You had cominga chipping in, but in the end, those
two wolf stars took over t K.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
Yeah, that's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
Julius Randall is having an awesome playoffs so far. He's
followed his best playoff series in the first round. That
was the best series he ever had. He's having a
better series as we go into the second round. Here
he cannot make a three pointer, but everything else is
basically flowing for this guy. I think it was McDaniel's
postgame said, you put a small guy on him, he's
too big for that guy. You put a big guy
on him. He's too quick for that guy. He's a

(32:35):
walking mismatch out there right now. He's playing bully ball.
He almost dunked one with his face in this one. Meanwhile,
Anthony Edwards is basically a tale of two halves as
a player. In the first halves of games this series,
he's averaging five points per game, shooting nineteen percent. Second
halves of games, he's shooting sixty four percent fifty from
three and scoring twenty one a game. And that's exactly
what happened in Game three, eight points, two assists in

(32:58):
the first half, two assists and twenty eight points in
the second half. He basically just put his head down
started getting to the rim NonStop. In the third quarter.
That really opened up the three ball. Then in the
fourth quarter for Edwards when he was switching.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
Him like crazy.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
These guys are playing great games, Anthony Edwards, Julius Randall,
and still in the tensest moments of the game, they're
gonna swing, swing for McDaniels, wide open three pointer.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
You got.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
Julius Randall didn't want to pass the ball to Rudy
Gobert earlier in the season, drops it off to go
Bear for an and one dunk to throw it in,
and then the icing game, icing play of the game,
the board by Randall kicks it to Anthony Edwards in
the corner. It's like, this is exactly the point. These
two guys are doing everything out there. They're making the
role players better and showing up in these games. This

(33:42):
was a stealable win for the Warriors.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
They got a playoff Jimmy type game. Thirty three points
on twenty six shots. The guy amped up his usage,
looked to be a scorer, just zero margin ferrer. So
you see Pajenski goes one for ten, you get a
combined nine points and four rebounds from your starting front
court and Draymond and Trace Jackson Davis.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
It ain't gonna cut it.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
You gotta play perfectly to beat this Timberwolves team without
Steph Curry, and the Warriors played almost perfectly, just not
quite there.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, and Kurr's stressing tasks like his team to win,
they have to do it with defense, and they just
could not make the key stops down the stretch that
TK just went through, either open looks or those offensive
rebounds that led to other looks, that a corner three
that he got another look at it. They just came
up just short. And if they go on to lose
this series, it feels like that one. That game, to me,

(34:30):
was like the difference maker because that was probably the
way they played could have been theirs.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Oh, this was the want to steal. When you get
thirty three from Jimmy and thirty from Jonathan kaminga off
the bench, a guy who wasn't part of the rotation,
insert him, you get sixty three from them, and Anthony Edwards.
You know, he really did not exist in this series
until the second half of this game, where he was
really truly himself. It was like ten and a half

(34:55):
quarters for him to find himself. As he said before
this game, you know what was it? Playing me different,
taking away my three points and they're just let me drive.
But he couldn't find his drive for the first two
games here was And so combine that with a Cominga
and Butler game. But then you get a bad Draymond
Green game where he fills out Julis Randall taking it
to him, and I thought, just a margin for error,

(35:16):
and with the Golden State Warriors now without staff, is
just so small you just can't make mistakes. I just
thought there was just boneheaded slash. We haven't had Jimmy
as our number one guy. Mistakes early in this game,
I mean Draymond Green inbounding a ball after a made
basket underneath his own hoop to Jimmy Butler, who didn't
know what was coming, turns into a Mike Conley three.
That's three fricking points. And then you had Jimmy coming

(35:40):
for a dribble handoff from Draymond Green goes past it.
Draymond says, all right, you're coming to it right now.
Jimmy thought he was getting it way behind three point line.
That's another freaking turnover. You heard Gary Payton the second
talking to Jimmy Butler, Okay, what are we doing here
when they did an audio assist like that. Those are
multiple things that just it's unfortunate, but it also just

(36:02):
it just can't happen. Jonathan Kaminga and Jimmy Butler on
a fast break, Jimmy Butler just gives him this direct
pass that goes through Jonathan Kaminga when he was expecting
an alley up. They just didn't communicate all that well.
And then Anthony Edwards is alive. I mean, he really
took him a long time, but yeah, now he's going
And so now if he's alive, this was the game.
It sure felt like. But I would say even at

(36:24):
the end of the fourth quarter there when ain't got
that steal off Rudy Gobert two fifteen left, excuse me not,
he got a steal from Jonathan Kaminga and that turned
into a Rudy Gobert fast break dunk. Gobert beat Jonathan
Kaminga and he beat Kevon Looney down the floor, and
so those are like, Okay, we're winning this series. This
feels like the end of the Lakers series already where

(36:45):
we're doing this thing. If he Rudy Gobert is beating
those guys down the floor, and then he's taller than everybody,
so he'll get a tap back that let the Julius
Randalls pass to Anthony Edwards. Obviously the size is a problem,
but the effort was a problem right at the end.
This was the game.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Warriors not helped out with Draymond Green fouling out with
what about four forty to go when he picked up
that sixth foul trying to block McDaniels, who was attacking
the rim on the baseline now appeared a questionable to some,
you know, minimal contact, definitely touched on, but that was
his sixth and the ones before Trey that he picked
up go either way a few of them, though there

(37:21):
are many other times where Draymond is getting away, probably
with a foul call on him. So if you look
at the entire games, like, well, that could have been
a foul and it wasn't. Oh that one's called a foul.
Oh that one's tough. But maybe it all evens out.
But he's just he's bad. He was bad in this
game too, in doing anything no, he did nothing.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
And of course, honestly the killer for the Warriors because
as soon as Draymond checks out, Looney comes in. That's
when Edwards started going to the hoop. I think he
had a couple of layups. Right after that, another drive
got fouled and went to the free throw line. It
was just like, oh, come on, Looney, he ain't a
challenge for me at the rim. So once a Draymond
got into trouble with number four, I don't know, they

(37:57):
were on the line with calls. It's hard to give
Draymond the benefit of the doubt. He probably should have
had five fouls in this game rather than the six, right.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Right, Yeah, So tonight obviously season on the line. It
feels like for the Warriors, especially as they just try
and pray and wait to hope to get Carey back.
We keep talking about like, don't worry, cur, it'll be back,
But you've got to get to those games for Curry
to be back unless the Wolves take care of business here.
But huge game that game four. It's always sort of
fun when that home team is down to one and
it's like it's their season feels on the line. It

(38:26):
really does, so we'll see what fight they have in them.
But it felt like, man, they let that one get away.
Like I'm reiterating what you guys are saying. I does
feel I do believe that anything.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Else from that one from the entire game. Yeah, it's
weird to see a guy like Brandon Pajemsky not be
able to shoot anymore. Going one of ten. They like
I said, sixty three points from Butler and Jonathan Aminga.
That is an accomplishment. You need somebody, And you know,
Heal was okay and Dream was not there and Brandon
Pajemsky was not there, So that part is odd and

(38:59):
that just makes me believe that it's all over here
because they need to win one without Steph Curry and
who knows when Steph Curry is coming back? So I
will save my note is Jonathan Kaminga not putting a
hand up on a nase red three. That's just the
most confusing thing to me. When guys don't put a
hand up on defense. I just don't get it. I
will never get it.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
Cominga is a guy that could score thirty and you're like,
I see why he was out of the run.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Ye, Why why did Looney get dunked on when Aunt
dunked on him, that was cominga exactly watched the play.
It's like, that's a brutal close out. What are you doing?

Speaker 4 (39:29):
They need his scoring, yeah, they need his scoring, but
he brings all the other cominga stuff along with them.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
We need we need a montage of guys not putting
their hands up, and it's actually, yeah, why not Mark
Jackson stuff. It is nuts just from the postseason. It's
it's nuts to see it. Lebron did it. I guess
he's trying to throw off Julius Randall in the first round,
and you saw.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
That if you're not gonna put you don't get at
least do the Jose Calderon defense. He was a clapper
some it works, yeah right, yeah, yeah, I creative.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
I could be wrong. We saw who was it. I
guess in the Denver, Okay see game, like Michael Porter
Junior was like so open, he's too open to shoot.
You know that's a good defense, is too open? Just
back up or jump like your Luke Cornett from like
fifteen feet away. I mean, there's there's different different defenses
for three point shots, but I hate them. I hate
the non handout.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Guys are tired. That's what it comes down to. Let's
talk briefly here about the Celtics crushing the Knicks one
to fifteen ninety three. They cut New York's lead to
two to one in the East semis. Celtics shot a
little bit better from three You what a surprise, right, yeah,
a little bit twenty for forty. I think they were
from three point range in Game three, after going just
twenty five for one hundred in their two losses. They

(40:46):
made their first four to three pointers there on Saturday
and never really slowed down. They were six to seven
behind the arc in the first quarter. They had their
highest scoring first quarter of the postseason. And you know,
there was times when the Knicks tried put together the
little comeback, but the but Missoula was on it quick
timeouts when it was cut to like seventeen or eighteen,
like not this time. So you know, look, we knew

(41:07):
this was gonna happen. It just happens here in Game
three for the most expensive ticket in town, which you
also probably could see coming up.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
Honestly, hater's paradise to see this happen to the Knicks.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Tough stuff.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
People were talking this up is the biggest game in
twenty five years, and they got smoked, destroyed.

Speaker 5 (41:25):
By the end of the first quarter.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
Everybody knew, like you're saying, the threes, we're gonna drop eventually.
The good thing for the Knicks is that they've gotten
two bad shooting games from the Celtics and they were
able to win both of those games because basically, if
Boston hits their threes, it doesn't matter what the other
team does.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
Boston is gonna win.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
That has been the story this season, definitely was the
story last season as well.

Speaker 5 (41:45):
The next defense was not as good.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
The Celtics loved to do a double screen up top
for their ball handlers. The Knicks were pretty good defending
it in games one and two. In this game, they
were not very good at defending it at all. Towns
was just way too far back, basically at the free
throw a line, so you're giving step into a three
point shots to Jalen Brown, to Jason Tatum, guys that
want to shoot that shot, and they made them in

(42:08):
this game. I thought Jalen Brown's post up game was
given the next a ton of trouble as well. He
would get down usually would have Brunton on him in
the post, bash him in them. A couple of times
they send help swing swing, somebody's hitting a wide open three.
Pritchard was awesome in this game, had a really good
first half. Finished with twenty three, but thirteen in the
first half, had a couple of assists, had a couple
of threes, catch and shoot, drive and kick. They were

(42:29):
just playing Celtics basketball and the jump shots were actually
going in. So they made twenty threes compared to twenty
five through games one and two.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
It's that simple.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, and Pritchard definitely, I thought like robbed MSG of
their energy right because he was hitting those threes. He
was actively looking for a shot, like he was playing
with some freedom. There was no doubt Miziula was trying
to get through to these guys. Look, keep gunning them,
just do it with confidence and obviously obviously be open
and we can get a better shot. But yeah, they
just knocked him down again. We knew this was gonna happen,
It's just a matter of when. So they do it

(42:58):
in this game and another twenty point lead. They've had
a twenty point lead in every game. Task the Knicks
are gonna need to stop that even though they're up
to one, they're gonna have to change that part where
they're down twenty in game four and moving forward here
to win this.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Yeah, it look like then Knicks were getting way away
from the ball handlers, like Kat was sagging, and even
the guys guarding the ball handlers weren't getting it after it.
Maybe they were just like, okay, well you guys weren't
hitting shots in game one game too, we want one
pass shot possessions. Obviously, nothing nothing worked in this game. Yeah,
the effort wasn't there defensively. Yeah, Peyton Pritchard, he may

(43:34):
have sucked the energy out of MSG, but that guy's
been really good in this series. He's been banging home threes.
He's the one guy who's been pretty consistent through three games.
That being said, yeah, I don't know what happens with Kat.
He's not on the injury report here. Even though we
saw him shake his hand. You saw everybody on the
internet doing the little reading in his mouth, reading his lips.

(43:59):
I broke it. It sure looked like he said, for
his left hand, which is in his non shooting hand obviously,
so maybe it's okay, but it looks like he's playing
through it because he's gonna tough it out. So maybe
that's a good thing for the next We're gonna play
hard for that guy he's playing with a broken hand,
because it definitely looks like I mean, it's something that
he was favoring the entire game.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Yeah, Also worst game for Mitchell Robinson in this series
so far. Had played pretty well in games one and two,
but you know that didn't work out. In Games three,
they just decided to do the whole foul him thing again,
especially you know, in the penalty, and it paid off.
He was four to twelve at the free throw line
and you know, another airball of this guy, and you know,

(44:37):
again that's a thing that just like deflates the crowd
a little bit, especially when he's not hitting them and
you're like, oh god, what's going on now? Do we
have to get him off as well? So they continue
with that. I Mean, the self is just stuck with
what was working in games one too, even though they
were down oh two, Like our offense, our shots are
three pointers and our strategy even with him, and it
paid off in this one as they built the big

(44:57):
lead and never really were in you know, in any
scare of giving up this one TK.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
No, not at all.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
They definitely played the same style. There's they were probably
smarter about how they went about getting threes. I thought
most of their shots in games with one and two
were pretty solid as well. Some of them were hurried,
but there was definitely an intentional let's get in the
lane and play our driving kick style.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
They were great.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Horford I thought was awesome in this game. Fifteen points
and nine rebounds, and he just looked like the fastest
guy on the court during the second half, because it
was like a three parade in the first half, and
then it seemed like a track meet more so in
the second half, and Horford had a lot of energy
to be beaten.

Speaker 5 (45:33):
Robinson and Towns down.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
The court Missoula. The quote after the game still down
to one. Of course in the serious but you've got
to tap into your darkness. This guy's all about the
darkness right now and the hole that they are.

Speaker 5 (45:46):
He believes in a thing called love.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Nice reference.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Did we hear that we did? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Good, we did.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
I think we heard all three guitar solo.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
He did like to play a lot of the song.
Would the whole song no problem? But then again, like,
why wouldn't you when the crowds go that crazy?

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Exactly, all right? Any other notes?

Speaker 5 (46:06):
I got a couple.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
You could tell how Horford was fired up because he
jumped too early on the opening tip twice.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
That was funny but not illegal. It's like, should be
like hockey to me, because you can't do that and
swap them out. Yeah, that's a good idea. You can't
just keep jumping.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
He should have kept helping.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Just every time. I get it right.

Speaker 5 (46:23):
I think the Knicks did they get the tip?

Speaker 2 (46:25):
I think they did. Yeah, I think yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
They did, they did get I was thinking about JD
a lot every time they would cut to the Knicks
outside party, like outside of MSG, tons of people packed
and it's right in front of a pickleball Can you
imagine if you made your your reservation for like four
o'clock on Saturday, like, oh, well, go down to the
club place and pickleball.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
You show up and there's eighty thousand.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
In front of the entrance.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
I think worldwide tweet also, like you imagine showing up
for your pickleball game today? Well, you were living this
weekend because we had so much rain here, Oh.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
My god, Saturday I was editing a pickleball video instead
of playing.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Oh, well, we're gonna show you that in a second
that's coming out. Yeah yeah, anything else that one.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Well, if you want to be positive, you can say
the Knicks haven't won or excuse me, the Celtics haven't
won a clutch game in this series yet, and they
weren't banging home threes in a clutch situation here because
it was a blowout. So if the Knicks just make
it close in the fourth quarter, we'll have some fun.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
I thought you were going to save. Positive for the
Knicks is they have not had a good offensive game
either in this series, like they haven't like and they
were a really good offense this year. That could be
unlocked for one of these games.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
You are a little worried about the cat injury and
how much of the effect that is had on him,
because I think he's been pretty pretty bad sort of
overall in this He used to add he was taking
some bombs there. He was like getting even deeper and
deeper with some of those three point attempts on Saturday,
but not really falling all that much.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Okay, I'm a twenty one and fifteen game for him
even though he good numbers, but he missed a lot
of shots.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
He's like five of eighteen and you guys were talking
about the defensive drop like way under.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
The defense was the problem. Yeah, he wasn't taking a
ton of threes in this one. Only five eighteen shots.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
That's a lot for him. You've taken two in the
first two games total. There you go.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yeah, so I but.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Okay, So Celtics are still down to one. Yeah, but
they're acting like they won the series Celtics.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Fans, Yeah, yeah, they definitely are.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
They could be down three to one very easily after
getting four.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
They're good, they could. I mean they feel that way
because they've led for like ninety percent of this series. Yeah,
so you'll understand the reasoning and the defending champs, and
you know they are I think, on paper the better
team maybe like in terms of just top end talent
and stuff like that. You're not wrong though, that's the
vibe from them.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
This is a Bean town thing. You know, we play bad,
play a little bad in a series. It's gonna happen.
But whoa would you see us in game three? We're
back baby? So I think that's the that's the feeling
all right.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Well, game four? When is that tonight?

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Yeah, of course Eastern.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Oh my god, right after the draft lottery perfect segue.
Twenty twenty five. NBA Draft Lottery tonight in Chicago. That
might be good for TK. Drawings will be conducted to
determine the first four picks in the draft using fourteen
pingpong balls number one through fourteen and that lottery machine
they use. The remainder of the lottery. Teams will select
in positions five through fourteen based on regular season records

(49:28):
in descending order. Here's a quick look at the lottery
teams and their odds of winning the number one pick. Now,
that Sun's pick that's going to.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
The Rockets, Okay, nice, nice trade.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Yeah, that Hawks pick that's going to the Spurs. And
that Kings pick is top twelve protected, so you know
they jump up here they're keeping that Otherwise, if it's
at the bottom, that'll be on its way out. But look,
there's no need to wait to find out who wins
the number one pick, because over the weekend we used
the power of pickleball to predict who is going to

(50:00):
win tonight's NBA Draft lottery. Let's roll the tape. No
Dunks is back to predict the twenty twenty five NBA
Draft Lottery winner, and this year we're doing it. Pickle
ball stop in this hopper one hundred labeled balls representing
the unique lottery odds of all the teams. The Jazz,
the Wizards, the Hornets. They got fourteen balls in here.
Teams below them they got fewer. The first ball that

(50:23):
JD hits into Trey Herby's toilet hat is the winner.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
Good luck you got this JD.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Oh first one? Oh oh oh.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Hold might not take long. I'm gonna set me dead ball.
It felt like that was a dead ball.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Oh okay, nope, walls, Oh like a drop man. You
haven't hit that the islet?

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Has he touched horses? I have ball ball heldo. We
got lots we got Oh that's my angle. Theyn't light touch,
no placement? Okay, here when you went closer than.

Speaker 5 (51:12):
That, I got one hundred bulls.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
I don't worry. I don't worry. Oh oh fuck, I'll
get excited.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Oh zero, I go, he's zero again. He's getting dialed.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
That ard put it.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
I saw the win.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
I thought the n I don't know who he wants
to see.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
And the winner of the twenty twenty five NBA Draft
Lottery is.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
So you don't, yes, So there it is the Utah
Jazz we predict will win the Draft lottery tonight, obviously
one of the teams with the best chances to get
the number one pick at fourteen percent, along with a

(52:10):
few other teams. Let's see if we can get it
correct again, because we have done this, not the pick
a ball variety, but we have correctly called the winner
before over a very long time. But two or three times,
I want to say, I know we did it a
couple of years ago with Paolo and the magic trey
pulled out even though it took like eight attempts to
pull out an egg the egg, but we did get

(52:31):
there and the magic one and then way back you
in a shower once with an industrial fan and a
bunch of paper did pull the calves one of the
year's day one. I couldn't remember if there was one
other time.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
It was Mightyo's showers personal shower.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah, that was his person.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Never I've never showered in that shower, but I have
picked the right piece of paper. Yeah, so we had
we had that the wind in uh in the starter's days. Yeah,
in the studio, and you got that one right too.

Speaker 5 (52:58):
Sixers maybe like mark a false draft.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Maybe I think it's three times we've correctly.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Yes, it sounds right. Yeah, yeah, I feel like we
had a malfunction, bad take on that first one. So
wherever I picked on the first one had to go
back into the hobber, and then we picked the second one.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Well, can happily say no reason on this pickleball video
and JD you edited a beauty there, I thought, And
great shooting too.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Yeah. Thanks, that says that shot and pickleball is you're
trained not to do that. You want to pop it
up like and like hit it mid like you're dead
if you do that in the actual game.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Should we have had you smashing you at Kirby instead
try and bank it off the.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
I mean it occurred to me, take off his shirt,
let's get a welt him up ice chest style. But
you know he didn't. He didn't lose a pick and
payoff or anything. So point that's a good pick off. Next.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Yeah, time just get pelted.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
It won't be it will be Rachel doing it.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Crazy out there.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
I did.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
I gotta come you for when we do get the
leggie slash wedgie there like I thought. I thought it
was going to fall off because it looked more on
the side. I mean, it was closer to me, but
I thought it was going to fall towards me and
not in. But you you did not move an inch
statue as I mean I was doing the joke like
blowing on it. I don't think I was having any impact.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
I don't know how. I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
But you just steeped like steady as a rock and
then it like, yeah, just just fell in.

Speaker 5 (54:25):
That was beautiful.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
So we'll see beautiful well, I guess. I guess from
from our perspective, we either want the Utajas to win, yes,
because then the video will go viral, or we want
the Toronto Raptors to win. With a seven point five
percent chance, I did have some people asking me when
we were making the balls, and by the way, there
was one hundred balls in there, all representative, but seven
point five percent, how do you do that? I put

(54:48):
eight in there, don't you? And then or the bulls
with being in Chicago, what'd you say having the Derek
Rose ods, they got the Derreck Rose could they do
it again?

Speaker 5 (54:57):
Point seven percent chance? That was to Chicago there as well.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Oh okay, okay, well that's fair.

Speaker 5 (55:03):
Had the round up. The widest moment in show history
there pickleball.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
Yeah, a pickleball draft lottery where the Utah Jazz won
the right to draft Cooper.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Yeah, they ain't gonna be.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
Fat if all.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
We were wearing cowboy boots.

Speaker 5 (55:19):
Exactly right, were listening to the Vampire Weekend poop.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
I do, I mean, I really hope it is go
to the Jazz night because like you're wearing a toilet hat.
We're even screaming like pooper flag, Pooper flag, like it's
super Coop. It's so good, all right, So we'll find
out that's at six third excuse me, that's at seven
o'clock tonight. I said six thirty because we're gona jump
on play back a little bit early to live react
to the draft lottery. So if you want to join
us on playback, that link is in the show notes.

(55:46):
We'll go live again around six thirty, stay for the hour,
and then obviously we'll get excited and watch the games,
but we'll see who wins night. So join us on
playback could be a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Yeah, tiny part of me wants the Rockets to win
via the Sun's pick because of that very sly three
team deal that they made a year ago. That nobody
rarely remembers that the Rockets were able to acquire a
pick swap. They were just being super smart. So if
you get matt Ishbia to eat that, I mean that
that would be so tough for Phoenix Suns fans. That

(56:17):
would be incredibly tough just because you traded this pick swap.
That would be so smart of Raphael Stone in the
Rockets to get the number one.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
What about even the Rockets jumping like into the top
four with that pick, with that Sons pick, because then
and we'll talk about this probably tomorrow or this coming week.
You know, there's a lot of reports here janis open
minded about exploring whether his best long term fit is
in Milwaukee or playing elsewhere. So my point is, you know,
Rockets have been a team that people have brought up
about Giannis. You know, you suddenly have us two three pick.

(56:47):
I mean, oh man, you can sweeten the package there.

Speaker 5 (56:49):
Quite spicy to go get them.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
So I don't remember the seats they got that pick
from the Nets, right, that swap Son's pick, because I
think the Sons pick went in the Kevin Durant trade
with Cam Johnson with Michale Bridges. So yeah, the Rockets
getting into the top four with a Sun's pick over
the Nets would be kind of the ultimate kick in
the nuts for two franchises.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Yeah, so what else do we watching tonight? I guess
the Sixers could drop and lose their pick to the
Thunder if they fall out of the top six. They
would need a couple teams to jump ahead of them
to bump down, but it's possible that they could obviously
lose that pick. And I went over a few of
the other ones.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
Yeah, Atlanta has a point seven percent chance of jumping
to number one, but it's an unprotected pick, which would
mean the Spurs would get to draft Cooper Flag right
after having the two previous rookies of the year.

Speaker 5 (57:37):
So that's something that would.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Do something crazy. Yeah, a lot could go down tonight.
We'll find out again at seven on ESPN, but join
us at six thirty on playback, and otherwise we'll be
back here to talk about that and the two games
on tonight till then, Clipper bros.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
You heard it here first, have a great time.

Speaker 5 (57:54):
Turn up love you guys.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Awesome, thanks for joining us, and remember basketball is great.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
YEP, race today people,
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