April 4, 2025 • 41 mins
When singer-songwriter Cara Caterson joins Rome Davis on the No ID Podcast, what unfolds is an unexpectedly vulnerable peek behind the curtain of creative careers. Both performers strip away the glamor to reveal what audiences never see—Rome confessing to throwing up at gas stations before comedy sets, Cara admitting to hiding in venue bathrooms to calm her nerves. Their shared experiences create an immediate bond that allows the conversation to venture into rarely discussed territory.
"I was wondering where the hell you went," Rome tells Cara, celebrating her recent single release "Big Joke" after watching her develop from open mic nights to professional recordings. Their discussion traces Cara's musical journey from church singing as a child to finding escape through music during a challenging upbringing, drawing inspiration from artists like Music Soulchild and Erykah Badu.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn as they explore how today's entertainment landscape forces artists to compress their vision into ever-smaller packages. "Everything has to be a Reel or a Short now," Cara laments, noting how the industry's demand for 30-second content fragments makes it nearly impossible to present complete artistic expressions. Both agree that album lengths have shrunk from an hour to barely 30 minutes, reflecting our collective shrinking attention capacity.
As they discuss moving between music scenes—Cara relocating from Virginia Beach to Baltimore—they touch on the delicate balance between competition and community. "There's a lot of betas trying to be alphas," Rome observes about industry climbers who don't understand collaboration's value. Cara offers aspiring musicians practical wisdom earned through experience: read extensively about the industry, prepare thoroughly behind the scenes, and only launch when truly ready.
Ready to discover an artist on the rise? Follow Cara Caterson across social platforms and stream "Big Joke" wherever you get your music. If you enjoyed this conversation about the real challenges creative people face, subscribe to the No ID Podcast for more unfiltered discussions about making art in today's complex landscape.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode
of the no id podcast.
Is I your host?
I mean rome davis and I havehere a talented young lady.
I've known her for a while.
We came up in the trenchestogether thursdays at nine
o'clock at the performanceplayground iron sharpens iron.
She has a single out right now,called big joke, and I'm so
(00:22):
proud of the moves that thislady has made.
Um a matter of fact, I'm noteven gonna say her name.
She's gonna introduce herself.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We're gonna get it jumping yeah, hell yeah, um wait
, no, that's what's a curse, I'msorry you can cuss okay, okay,
uh, my name is carl carison anduh, yeah, I'm a singer,
songwriter.
I remember watching you go upand doing your stand-up and just
being like, oh my gosh, like soamazed by it and I was crazy to
(00:50):
be sitting here.
I remember when you were likestarting the podcast up, you'd
be like, all right, everybodypull out your phones, go follow.
Right now, right, this second,I just had so much respect for
you and I still do, it's cool Ihave a lot of respect for you.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I thought you was afraid of me or like I irritated
you one day, because you know Iused to joke on people all the
time and they're just like, yeah, buddy, don't fuck with me.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
No, okay, I'm not going to lie.
I remember the exact day thatyou're talking about Because,
like we had never spoken to eachother and you were coming from
my throat and I was like damn,this is really funny.
Like I can't be that mad aboutit because it's funny.
But I was like I don't know, Iwas feeling some type of way
about it.
And then afterwards he talkedto me.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I was like okay, we're cool yeah, man, people
that don't know I'm a comedian.
If I joke on you, that means Irock with you, right, and if I
want, if you want to joke aboutme, cool.
But I saw you come up therewith the guitar because you had
like this vibe with you.
I was like, okay, because youknow, on thursdays you don't see
(01:56):
many uh artists come with aguitar right and play like a
acoustic guitar and they wastuning it up.
You don't see many of that.
You see a lot of us.
It's not the shit on, nobodylike doing covers or True.
You know stuff like that, so youcoming up there with an
original song and your own vibe,it was something different I've
(02:18):
never seen.
I've seen it in person, likegoing to concerts and stuff, but
I never seen the prep um comingup from that yeah, coming up,
like coming up from it, likeI've always seen, like the
finished product.
I've never seen it like the,the cake being starting to bake,
the ingredients being made.
How did you, yeah, get into allof, like playing instruments
(02:39):
and the singing, and who weresome of your inspirations?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
oh yeah, well, you know it's.
It's funny that you mentionedthe come up, because that was
something that I was looking forwhen I first was starting this
whole process, because I waslike I don't know how to do this
and now I'm documenting myjourney because I wasn't able to
find anybody that wasdocumenting their journey.
But yeah, to answer yourquestion, I definitely I've
(03:07):
always sang, like my grandmawould take me to church, like
back in the day, don't rock withthe church anymore.
But back when I was little, Iwas all about it and she was
like, yeah, you'd be right upthere just screaming at the top
of your lungs, you know, singingyour little heart out, and I've
just never stopped your lungs.
You know, singing your littleheart out and I, I've just never
stopped I.
You know, growing up wasn't inthe like best household.
(03:30):
It was pretty toxic and um, Iwould.
I remember just like hiding outin my room and trying to
replicate the sounds as best asI could about the people that I
loved, you know.
So, like music, soul child wasa huge one for me, or, yeah, or
Alicia Keys, because of courseyou know, beyonce.
Actually, now that I'm reallythinking about it like a lot of
(03:50):
soul, r&b style artists orneo-soul even like Erykah Badu
were huge for me.
And then I, on the like otherside of it, like the songwriter
part, I've always just lovedmusic wholeheartedly and so I
listened to all kinds of genresand didn't realize it, but I was
picking apart those songs whenI was listening to them.
(04:13):
And so when it came time about2019, I was in the military,
didn't know what the hell Iwanted to do with my life.
I just kind of started throwingdarts at them all.
I was like I don't really knowwho I am, I don't know what I
enjoy, let's see.
And I met someone who was amusician for a long time and the
rest kind of just developedfrom there.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
You said music soul child.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, yeah, with the Q, With the Q.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I don't even know how old you are, but I'm just
astonished because you gottarealize like he had a
generational run.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yes, well, yeah, my stepmom, like whenever she would
get real mad at my dad, hewould be like you always put on
that hate man, hated music, andlike she had this whole playlist
jasmine sullivan would go on.
That's how I knew I was like,let me get in my bedroom, let me
go hide, because I'm not tryingto get my ass whooped or being
(05:10):
in the wrong place at the wrongtime, but like you know when,
when he finally hit, I was likeokay, we're, we're back to chill
vibes again.
Let me come out.
She, she's loving him again.
I'm cool now.
I'm cool yeah, he.
He had like a interview recently, I'm thinking on the 85 south
show, when he was putting outalbums under different aliases
(05:33):
yes, oh my god, yes, I saw himlive, actually with eric bennett
, I know, and I was so excitedbecause they like marketed it as
a soul, you know concertbetween the two and er Eric
Bennett opened it and I was likeyes, oh my gosh, you sound
great, it was amazing.
And then Music Soulchild cameon and said some some crazy ass
(05:54):
shit that I was like whoa.
I was not even expecting that,and he's like alright, now time
for my rap album.
I was like rap album, oh okay,I mean go off.
I'm glad that you're going onyour own direction that's crazy,
man.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Do you want to do like different aliases and start
putting out a rap album, a rockalbum, uh, neo soul album, and
so on and so on?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
no, I think really my goal right now is um, I have
not seen any record labels thatreally really go after the
artist vision.
So my ultimate goal right nowis to start that um for other
artists and, rather than beinglike, this is the direction you
should take, just letting themdo art however they want to um,
(06:43):
and encouraging them that,because it's like I'm not going
to sign you if I don't seesomething there in the first
place.
Why would I stifle that?
Because I I just feel like alot of what we're seeing today
is very regurgitated art andlike all arts regurgitate, don't
get me wrong but it's like overregurgitated to the point where
it's like, oh, we foundsomething that works and a bunch
of businessmen were like nowthere's nothing really new
(07:05):
coming in there's really nooriginality yeah, exactly so,
like I don't know thatnecessarily under my own alias,
but I would love to produce forother people in any genre that
they would like, for sure yeah,you nervous yes it's
(07:31):
nerve-wracking having all the.
Yeah, I don't know it'sdifferent talking to podcaster
rome than his friend rome it'sthe same.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
No, it's not the same .
On the stage, the podcast andoutside of this is just like a
whole different beast.
Yeah, it's a whole differentthing.
It's weird.
I'm like the music soul childof the microphone maybe, I don't
know I mean, who doesn't?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
well, I used to not.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Actually, the stage fright was bad so how did you
overcome that stage fright?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
honestly going to the venue a bunch, yeah, literally.
I don't know if you remember mesitting out there and like
shaking so bad, yeah, yeah, no,that was it was literally.
It was that it was going everythursday night to to just do it
in front of people over and overagain and just rip that
band-aid off and eventually andeven now, like before I go on, I
(08:31):
still feel queasy and scaredbut I'm like this is what I want
to do.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So you know, you got to kind of figure it out you got
like a pre-game ritual beforeyou get on the stage, because I
can tell you mine yeah, tell meyours, I'll tell you mine it was
.
It's three different.
It was three different eras.
The first era was stop, get gas, get the mixed fruit mentos
(08:56):
with a tea on a palmer fromthere, throw up in the parking
lot I feel that, oh my God, yes.
The second arrow was I will wakeup in the morning, brush my
(09:17):
teeth, shower.
My show could be at like 8o'clock.
I will shower three hoursbefore the show.
Come with my book bag and allmy pads, stop at 7-eleven, get a
water and some kind of likefruit, like a uh, like beef
jerky or something.
Yeah, this new era is I writethe jokes out, I take it on an
(09:40):
index card and I just leave outthe door wow, that's like such a
big jump, I feel like fromgoing from throwing up in the
parking lot that's 7-eleven usedto hate seeing me pulling up
like the cashier was like youmust have a show today.
I was like I'm so sorry, and itwasn't like in the trash can, it
wasn't in the the bathroom, itwas literally me at the pump,
(10:03):
just.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And then I'm like somebody go get the cat litter
rome's walking in here comesrome.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I was like yeah, all right, and I was doing that for
a minute and then I'm going tostage like oh, I'm good, you
know me like nothing everhappened and you know that you
just committed sins in a7-eleven well, I feel so bad, I
feel so relieved.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Wait, okay, so was there a third phase.
There's a third phase, right.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
The third phase is just the index cards.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Okay, the third phase was the index cards.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Index cards and get a bottle of water from the house
and I don't even drink the damnwater.
Damn but it's like the comfortof having it but like the only
thing that that doesn't stopright now, like even in all
three phases, is if I have to gofor like a long drive, I at
least have to pee four or fivetimes on the road that's also
(11:03):
very real.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It's like your body goes into the state of like, get
it all out.
Get it all out, get it all out.
Yeah, go ahead.
Show yours.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I know you don't throw up in the parking lot, but
no, I'm classier than that.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I find a toilet.
No, I, I don't know, I um, Idefinitely.
Right now I feel like I'm still.
I guess I'm at phase two,because phase one was like I
would actually go to thebathroom of the venue, because
that was really the only place Iperformed because I knew.
No, here's the thing.
I knew that, like, the rulesthat they set out at the
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beginning for anyone who doesn'tknow is that you have to clap.
So, like you know, going upthere you're gonna have applause
, and that just made me feelmore comfortable going up.
So the venue was the only placethat I was trying to go.
So I would go into the bathroom.
Every time I would pee, pee,pee and then vomit on the last
(12:02):
one, like four different visits,and I'd be like okay, and then
vomit on the last one, like fourdifferent visits, and I'd be
like okay, and then I would goup, like the reason I always got
tea is because I neededsomething warm for my vocal
cords after throwing up in thebathroom.
So when you were like, oh yeah,I vomited in the cell, I was
like, oh, that's so real.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I was always wondering why James kept
lighting the incense after youcame out the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
He's like this girl needs to be cleansed, let's put
some energy out there.
Oh man, yeah, and then I go.
I think I was really doing alot of the Thursday night, you
know, night playground thingswith Coop and learning more.
I realized that something thathelped me get my nerves out was
dancing.
So that's the phase two thatI'm in now is having
(12:55):
predetermined things I'm goingto do when I get on stage so I
don't get out there and freeze,at least initially, to dance and
get my body moving and get thatanxiety out, and then after
that I'm kind of in this likepieces of my brain there's me
and then there's cara, you knowand then, like you like get off
(13:16):
the stage.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
You're like fucking they'd be like you rock that
shit, yeah, yeah.
Have you ever been like so hardon yourself where everybody's
like no, you did good, but inyour mind like yo, I could have
did a lot better than what?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I mean, even we had when we released big joke, we
did a big joke release party andeven that I had it recorded
everything.
I was watching it back andafter the performance everyone
was like, wow, you did so greatall this stuff and I was like
man, like I'm so excited to seethis footage, it's gonna be
great.
And then the whole time I'mwatching I'm just sitting there
(13:51):
cringing like oh, oh, you reallychose to do that.
Huh, like that's crazy.
Do you have anything like thatwhen you're giving jokes?
I mean, I know with comedianssometimes the joke doesn't land,
depending on the crowd too, soI'm sure that can mean they're
racking, trying stuff out.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
It's been a few, it's been a few it's been.
It's like it's as good assomebody thinks I am.
I'm like no, that shit was ass.
Like I did a show.
I went to connecticut and wasat the mohegan sun yeah right
comics roll house, last comic,standing man, you're so funny,
(14:31):
man, you're so funny, man,you're so funny.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Even I knew that shit was ass.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Damn.
Got the video.
I'm like I ain't about to postthis up.
I showed my pops.
He was like out of 10, I gaveyou about a six.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Right, well, we keep honest people.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, he was like it's a six.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
James was like I said , James, I don't think I did
good.
I mean, I was contemplatingquitting comedy at that point
and James was like yeah, youdidn't do that, well, you could
work on your transitions Boy.
I was so glad I don't know whatit was I was so glad that my
pops and James just kept it realto me, Because I felt like all
these fucking comedians wascoming.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Man, you were fucking hilarious.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I'm like shut, the fuck up.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
It makes you go through your head of like okay,
so then the performances I thinkI did kill.
Did I actually kill them or didI not?
Yeah, I feel that.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I feel that Received.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, oh, my god, I remember G.
He used to say that all thetime He'd be like oh, heard,
received.
He got me saying that I'm gonnabring that back, let's bring
that back received.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Be back, my cheer man I.
I thought I mean like when Ilistened to big joke, I was like
it was on replay.
I called you, I was at the gym.
I was like I gotta listen tothis because I saw you at poster
.
That's, I gotta check it out.
And I was wondering where thehell you went at what is like oh
she, she didn't move, though tobaltimore.
She recording demos and shit.
And I was wondering where thehell you went at.
But it was like, oh she, shedidn't move, though, to
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baltimore, she recording demosand shit and I was like wow I'm
so proud of you.
I'm so proud of you.
I was like you don't understandlike I was so proud I'm still
out proud.
I'm like it takes a lot ofcojones and fortitude to do what
you do.
To get on the stage is is thehard part.
Well, that's the easy part.
To move, get on the stage isthe is the harder part.
(16:23):
So how, how has it been sinceyou moved from Virginia, we in
Baltimore now, right?
Yeah, yeah how's that been?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Well, I mean there's definitely, you know, I feel
like with everything in life,the good and the bad, for sure I
would say the good is that themusic community here is, I would
say, like maybe a little bitmore competitive than Virginia,
virginia Beach was, but there'sso much just raw talent sitting
(16:56):
there waiting to be looked at.
It's crazy to me that Baltimore, musically, is not up there
with, you know, nashville or LAor New York, because the amount
of artists that are here isincredible.
So that's really cool.
I feel like the community isbigger, even if it's a little
bit more competitive and notnecessarily as supportive as I
would say for Jimmy Beach's.
(17:16):
So that was definitely anadjustment period because I was
like okay, cool, we're all herefor each other and everything
and that's not necessarily thecase.
So that's been interestinglearning the ins and outs.
Also, there's a lot of drama,like everyone's in's in like six
bands, and you're like, how areyou in six bands?
Like how do you even have timefor that?
(17:37):
Because when I also, like whenI moved from Virginia Beach to
Maryland, I upped my game of,like you know, social media and
then you know, like you said,recording songs and trying to
get on bigger stages other thanjust like open mic nights, etc,
etc.
And trying to get on biggerstages other than just like open
mic nights, etc, etc.
And there's a lot of back-endstuff that you have to do that I
did not know existed in music.
(17:57):
I thought, you know, you justput on a pretty dress and you're
like you're done.
So I don't know.
I would say overall I likebaltimore better though yeah, I
feel you received.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I think, like in this entertainment industry, there's
a lot of betas trying to bealphas.
That's crazy, I think everybodywants to be a big shark in a
small pond and they don't evenknow how to swim.
Like it's a, it's a process,right, and it's not like an
overnight thing.
And then, like you get onesthat haven't been doing it as
(18:33):
long as you but they see, likethe poise and the reactions that
you get on the stage, they wantto attach themselves to you.
Yeah, you like no this.
Like they don't see the grind ofme throwing up four times in
the bathroom, me overdrafting myaccount to get to the next gig
(18:53):
yes, that's real, that's real mepulling up to a place that
serves like it's like I'm doingwell in front of eight people
but I'm a bomber from the 80people, or vice versa, I'm
killing in front of 100 people,but I can go do the same song,
same set, in front of 10 people,yeah, and they not receiving it
(19:16):
at all.
So like they don't I.
That's what I honestly feel.
I think is especially for thelast two years.
I feel like everybody's wantsto be a beta is a beta but wants
to be an alpha, so fucking bad,like nobody.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, that's very fair.
It's kind of you know, it'sfunny, like I know people hate
on her a lot, but um, when kimkardashian came out I was like
no one wants to work these daysand everyone was like oh, like
there's a lot of people thatwork hard and stuff.
I was like, honestly, I canreally see where she's coming
from on that, though, because ifyou are about it, if you're
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about that dream, about thatvision, whatever it is, there is
no work-life balance.
Like that's a lie that peopletell you and I'm not saying that
no one is out here grinding.
I think, like what she saidmaybe was a little bit over
exaggerated, but, that beingsaid, like this lie that we feed
ourselves about like oh, youcan have all these equal parts
of life and still accomplish agoal that is like way up here is
(20:14):
just not true.
It's just not true.
Like what you said aboutoverdrafting the account, like I
can't tell you, the last time Ihad like a solid eight hours of
sleep, you know where it's notlike taking a nap in between,
like right now I, and the amountof skills you have to learn too
.
Don't start on that.
It's not just music, it'sbusiness, it's marketing.
(20:36):
It's social media management,which is different than
marketing.
It's knowing all the statisticsand the metrics.
It's you know, I'm I'm makingmy own merch too.
So it's been learning how tomake t-shirts and, like, I
listen, I'm a construction mantoo now because I'm renting out
my rehearsal space and likepainting the walls and, like you
know, spackling it and whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
So, yeah, like no one talks about that, but it is not
that simple to just yeah, likeyou said, stage is the easy part
, that's the fun part, that'sthe part that keeps you going
yeah that's the fun part, thengoing behind the scenes and and
trying to learn algorithm andposting and seeing what's gonna
gain attention, and then, likeyou're watching me personally, I
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was watching like an interviewwith the one of the founders of
instagrams.
Like hashtags don't matter, I'mlike what I've been told
hashtags was the main thing toget you out there yes, that you
should be hashtagging the crapout of your thing.
Well, at first it was put asmany as you can, then it was
limited three to five, then it'snone and you're like okay, I
(21:47):
feel like at this point you guysare just making shit up yeah,
and then it's like now you gottalike everything has to be a
real and youtube everything hasto be a short, because we don't
have the attention span anymoreto sit through a three minute
song anymore.
We need a song that's a minuteand a half like I downloaded an
album I'm not gonna say theartist's name and I remember
(22:09):
back then when I was growing up,an album was like an hour yeah
now it's like 30 minutes yeah,give or take some.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, even when I'm makingsongs like I have one song that
I'm going to be releasing inapril that is about six minutes,
and I was like I don't know, Idon't know how this is gonna hit
because of the attention spanthing, and that's hard, because
it's like you have art thatyou're trying to show a certain
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way.
Like, whenever I'm making a setlist, I try to, you know, have
like a little bump at thebeginning of like a hype song
and then something a littlelower, and then you kind of just
build it up, but if you're onlyseeing a 30 second part of that
, it's it.
I, in my opinion, doesn't hitthe same, don't have the same.
It's like telling the back endof a joke without having to set
(23:04):
up like how do you even do that,you know, without just doing
like a bunch of one-liners it'slike going on wikipedia and
reading about the movie, insteadof just sitting there and
watching the full.
Yes, and experiencing ityourself, and then adding on the
Wikipedia on top of it, likeyou're, like I don't know.
I also get it, though, cause Igrew up in a time frame where,
(23:26):
like, my attention span isreally short, so when I'm
looking at other people'scontent, I'm like, oh, whatever,
just like scroll through,scroll through, scrolling
through.
So I'm definitely a hypocritein saying that, but it is, like
from an artist's perspective,really frustrating.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It is.
It's probably a little bit morefrustrating now too, because
everything is so geared towardssocial media now.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah, true yeah, and very politically charged too,
like this.
The state of the world isfucking crazy right now, like I
don't even know how we I knowhow we got here, but like I
don't, it's crazy, it's just,you know, you, you defund the
education system enough and itjust seems to kind of trickle
(24:09):
down and it's like we're justseeing that cycle, but not
political okay, okay but it'slike it's on top of that you
know you have that and then ontop of that being swamped into
social media, you're trying tonavigate your way through that.
Like, one of my biggest thingsfor my platform is trying to
bridge that gap between peopleso we can actually like talk and
(24:31):
have healthier conversationsabout what is going on and, you
know, build more of a community,because I do feel like we're
really divided right now divided.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I think a lot of stuff is propaganda to justify,
and I'll be like this is crazyand I mean I, we, I saw the the
right, we saw A lot of us sawthe writings on the wall, what
was going to happen.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
For sure.
Now I'm going to ask you this.
I'm going to see if you cancatch the following You're a
musician, you're an artist,you're a singer, you're in the
music industry.
Million dollar question.
How do you feel about the wholeKendrick and Drake beef?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
You want my honest answer go ahead I think a lot of
the beef is staged.
Personally I do.
I think a lot of it's staged.
I think too like, if whatthey're saying about drake is
true and I'm not like a part ofthe law or whatever I'm not
gonna sit here and like say hedid or didn't, because I don't
(25:36):
know his life, I have myopinions on it, but that's not
for me to judge.
I feel like whenever beef getsblown out of proportion like
that, and it's just everywhereand they're making songs back
and forth, I really think it'sjust a publicity stunt.
So it's hard for me to get intoit, because I'm like I don't
know, I'm just like you knowwhat?
(25:56):
Because I know when I'm mad atsomeone, I go talk to them about
it and be like or I cut themoff, it's one or the other.
If I'm trying to continue therelationship with you, then I'll
talk to you about it, but ifI'm not, then, like you know, if
those allegations are true,they'll definitely be telling
that I'll be like okay, I'mgonna investigate yeah, let me
(26:21):
let me you know.
Yeah, let me call the properauthorities and let me not be
attached to you anymore, becauseobviously your energy is not
where I'm trying to go.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
That's my honest opinion they've been cussing
each other out for like 15 yearsI'm saying subliminally like.
It's been subliminals like andthe crazy thing about it is when
the everything happened lastsummer, it seemed like all right
, can't you drop the song?
Drake, drop the song.
Can't you drop the song?
Drake drops on.
These songs were not like.
(26:51):
We were talking about early 30seconds a minute and a half.
These motherfuckers was likesix minutes long about what.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
They're angry about what?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
they're angry about, then they name dropping each
other, then they go in theirfamilies.
Yeah, it was like all right anddon't get me wrong, like it was
, it was, it was greatentertainment.
You know I'm saying it wasgreat entertainment, but I was
what I'm saying it was greatentertainment, but I was like
now what the beef is over with.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
And now what?
Because that's what you builtyour platform on is having this
beef.
So what do you like?
Start new beef, like.
And also, this is like not hereon my soapbox, Let me just
tiptoe on it for a second, Okay,but like what are you teaching
the younger generation beneathus to or not beneath us?
That's a wild thing to say.
But what are you teaching thegeneration that's coming up
(27:41):
right?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
now.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Like that it's okay to you know shit, talk each
other and put each other downand stuff.
Like there's already so much ofthat, why I don't understand
the purpose of putting more hateinto the world.
Like like you know the shit,the allegations that are there,
then yes, they should be heldaccountable for that.
(28:03):
But like also, on the other endof that, that doesn't mean you
have to sit here and like spewhate and stuff like I don't know
.
I know hate gets a lot of views, but it's just not really.
Not really what I'm rockingwith, I guess I think lies gets
also.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I think lies get spread further than the truth
does.
Yeah, like they can't get lamarbeef was the guy music industry
?
And god damn, that cat williamsinterview fucked up every
comedian.
And I'm like people ask all thetime like I'm pretty sure you
guys get it like do y'all reallyhave these beefs and and stuff
(28:40):
like that?
and I'll be like yeah, but, thedumbest thing I've I've ever
heard is like another comedianbeef another comedian.
I'm like bro, you're not katewilliams, this isn't the kings
of comedy, we're not on clubshea shea, you're not kindred,
it's nissen drake.
Like we're trying to get totheir level.
These are fucking millionairesbeefing with each other and
we're literally sitting at abrewery about to do five minute
(29:03):
sets.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
So shut the fuck up not the sitting at the brewery,
no, literally, though.
Yeah.
And also like, imagine how muchfarther you would get just like
working together in the firstplace.
You know not that you're gonnavibe with everyone, but I don't
know.
I just hate seeing communities,especially because you know
(29:27):
that's what really that anartist is building yes, a
following and everything, butyou're also building a bridge
between people would be like Ilike this artist, you like this
artist, and that's already abond there.
So, like whatever, howeveryou're holding yourself,
whatever standard, that iswhatever you're talking about.
I always try to keep that inmind of like, what am I giving
(29:49):
people to talk about?
Is it to spread more hate andlike that kind of shit, or is it
to talk about something biggerthan that, something more
important?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
people act like it's only one microphone, one studio,
one stage and I gotta be theonly one that's gonna touch it
and I'm like, yes, you soundfucking stupid.
And then when you shut the onesout that's actually doing work,
they go move up to somewhereelse.
You like you just gotta spewthe hate.
It's so, it's so dumb.
But I don't need to get on mysoapbox at all because that
(30:23):
would be like if somebody wasinterviewing me.
I like I can go in on for hourson some of the shit that I've
seen and things like that, butsee, that's what we should do.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
We should do another one of these, but reverse it and
I'll interview you.
Let me look at my list ofquestions.
How do you feel about thekendrick lamar and drake b?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I loved it.
I loved it.
I've I've been a big likekendrick lamar fan since I heard
rigor mortis, so this we'regoing.
He's a great artist and I'm 36,so like, listen to party music
and a lot of trap or like I get,I can't do it.
Yeah, I only listen to that.
(31:06):
Going to the work, going to thegym, drake is a solid, solid
entertainer yeah but as far asartistry goes, kendrick hands
down, like even that super bowlperformance, the grammy
performances, his music videos.
You have to study those and andget those and where they're
going.
And I think Kendra was like,damn, I've been doing this just
(31:26):
as long as Drake and they'regiving Drake all these flowers.
It's time for me to come getmine.
And they've been like I said,they've been cussing each other
out for like 10, 15 years and Ithought it was hilarious because
I went on the Twitter threadone day I went down a rabbit
hole of, well, he was cussingdrake out on all the stars and
then he cussed him out on thebeyonce song and drake talked
(31:46):
about his wife on this song andI'm like, but we just did poetic
.
We did poetic, justice andfucking problems in 20, 2009.
But off that.
Are you still nervous?
Are you just rubbing your ankle?
Okay?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I, yes, I'm just laying with my like leg, I don't
even know how to describe itdid you get a new sleeve since I
saw you?
I well, I finished it.
Yeah, I don't know if you canlike really see it not really,
but it's dope from what I see.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Is that black Panther ?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I wish it is a Black Panther, but it's not the Black
Panther.
I don't know if I can do that.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I don't know if I'm allowed, don't get canceled.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I'll be in support.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Solidarity, brother Solidarity.
Being an ally to the LGBTQcommunity, like, yeah, oh, I'm a
part of that.
But you know, before we get off, yeah, one, I appreciate your
patience and everything.
(33:00):
I know you were so excited whenyou was messaging me yesterday.
I'm not even gonna lie to you.
I was having dinner with myfamily, like my extended family
and sometimes they.
It just takes a lot out of mesometimes to be a social
butterfly, so he was likemessaging me.
He's like yeah, I thought Isaid three or something.
Say two, say two, get it earlybecause I'm old.
I'm gonna take a nap after thisall right okay you know what I
(33:24):
mean.
But what advice would you giveto anyone that's trying to
trying to get into the industrythat's writing songs and playing
instruments like what?
What advice would you give them?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
oh, a hundred percent if I could go back in time and
retry.
You know, not that I've made itsuper successful or anything
yet, but I would definitely readas much as you can about the
music industry.
There's one book in particularthat of course I am forgetting,
but it's like the book.
(33:59):
If you look it up it'll be likethe number one thing.
It's like on its 17th editionit's called like, literally
referred to, as the music bible,like it goes through everything
.
I read that front to back.
It says on the book not to dothat necessarily, but like to do
it as you need it.
Read it front to back because Idid it as the book instructed
me to and I honestly felt likethere was a lot of things I
(34:22):
missed on the back end.
So read, read, read, read andget your ducks in a row, like
the reason I was quiet for along time and doing all this was
because I was learning how todance.
I was learning how to, you know, get past my stage fright.
I was getting my LLC together,I was getting my merch together,
all the stuff, and that waywhen I came out, you know, with
my first song, it was boom andyou know from the jump because
(34:45):
so many people have been waitingso long.
I've been making friends alongthe way and connections.
Now I have connections like you, for example, for podcasts
interview, which I reallyappreciate, um, but also you
know other bands that I'mfriends with to put set lists
together Network, prepare, be inthe gym, be in the zone.
I know it fucking sucks becauseyou can't be on stage doing the
(35:06):
best part of this, but it isworth it at the end because then
you can just run.
So, yeah, prepare as much asyou can and only launch when
it's the last thing on thechecklist.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
And where can they follow?
What can they find?
You follow, you subscribe andlike.
Well, like, and and what's thename of the song?
Speaker 2 (35:26):
again, big joke, big joke by cara caterson.
It's on all streaming platforms, so you can find it anywhere.
And then, as far as followingme instagram, I did recently
start facebook um tiktok, bluesky.
It's all cara caterson, c-a-r-a, c-a-t-e-r-s-o-n.
And if you're looking oninstagram and tiktok, the handle
(35:47):
has a period in between caraand caterson.
So, cara period, caterson.
Yeah, that's me, february 22nd.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I'm gonna show you how diverse my uh playlist is.
So you see her song and thenyou see, say that Shit by Black
Boy JB, it's just right besideit.
So obviously I'm proud becauseI never met anybody that's been
on Apple Music that can bust up.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
You're like, I know this person.
I have 52 monthly listenersright now for my first song
Right For Spotify, spotify it'spretty good, I think you know.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
I always say like, if you get one follower or
subscriber, I feel like youtouch one soul yes, 52 people,
that's a lot, that's a lot it'slike you're doing it I'm I'm
trying, so are you out here?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
I need to come down for another comedy show.
That's what I need to do, whichis when uh, I got a couple
lined up.
Yeah, yeah, but I'm actuallygoing up there to baltimore
we're going back to baltimore dcto do more work out there
because, uh, the market here forcomedy is fucking ass yeah,
(37:03):
well, if you come up here likeand we're hosting our own event,
I'd love to have you as a hostor an mc you can do like a
comedy set in between for sure,just let people know if I joke
on them I love it like now.
You're the big joke.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I'm sorry, I had to it's all right, I still love you
.
It's all right, we still loveyou girl with a dream.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I'm just a bitch.
Oh my god you're.
You're.
People watching this podcastare gonna be like what kind of
this girl talks too much.
No, we don't even know what thehell is going on.
I'm gonna be like you know what?
Neither do I, but it's a goodtime they're gonna.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
you know what they're gonna look at.
They can be like wow, he justinterviewed a dominatrix sex
worker and now he has a musicianeverywhere.
What the hell, where the fuckare we going with this?
I was like you want to go getinterviewed after a lady named
Pepper the Black Cat, mm-hmm,bullshit.
(38:15):
Okay, that's why you got yourthighs out.
I understand, you know what.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
I mean I had to keep up.
I had to keep up.
I'm not even lying.
I didn't realize got yourthighs out.
I understand, you know what Imean.
I had to keep up.
I had to keep up.
I'm not even lying.
I didn't realize it was thisout All right, but I did.
I wore my pink and my.
You know, I don't know.
It's like the juxtaposition ofit all.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
We still love you.
I love you.
I love you.
If you guys want to follow me,me is comedian rome uh, all
social media platforms and no idpodcast for the podcast on
instagram, as well as atcomedian rome davis on youtube.
What I'm going to do, I'm goingto put the link, uh, in the bio
of this, the video andeverything, and make sure you
(38:53):
support.
Big joke, cara caterson did Iget that cara caterson cara
caterson, I keep.
I got a cousin named tara, butwe say tara instead of.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
But it's still you say that to me every time.
Every time you're like oh, it'sbecause I have a cousin.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
I'm like I know I know it and I'm like yo, she's
t-a-r-a, you're c-a-r-a.
We say tara, yeah, it's socrazy, but now make sure you
support.
Support like, share, comment,subscribe.
Go to her social media, carakatterson, and support katterson
(39:32):
.
God damn it, car, whatever, Ijust know her as my best friend
and the girl I will pick on onThursdays for $5 a month.
With all the what.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
The beanies.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah, the beanies, the Vans.
Yeah, I remember.
Yeah, yeah, that's a big stepup from the Avril Lavigne.
Look that she was going.
She's a skater girl.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
I don't even know what I am.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
now You're you, I think you're coming into you.
I think that's like.
I think when you first startoff, you start off as like a
certain way of like beingcomfortable, and then you get
comfortable being uncomfortable.
So you look changed up, likenow I wear more button ups and
cardigans and I don't know ifyou saw, now I got a bow tie
(40:18):
incorporated into my I didnotice that, yeah, you're
elevating every time.
I'm trying to get like you, bigdog.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
It was really the bow tie.
You know, when you're out thereI was like you know he's
missing something.
The bow tie, the bow tie.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
I was like, oh yeah, I pulled out a bow tie and
performed one time.
I was like who the fuck is this?
I was perform one time.
I was like who the fuck is this?
Oh man, but I appreciateeverything and, um, I wish you
nothing but the best of success.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
You got my number.
You already know what to do.
Same, yeah, let me know whenyou're up here.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
I'd love to see you perform oh, let me know when
you're back down here, so I canthat part?
I will most definitely sign off.
Thank you so much.
ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode
of the no id podcast.
Is I your host?
I mean rome davis and I havehere a talented young lady.
I've known her for a while.
We came up in the trenchestogether thursdays at nine
o'clock at the performanceplayground iron sharpens iron.
She has a single out right now,called big joke, and I'm so
(00:22):
proud of the moves that thislady has made.
Um a matter of fact, I'm noteven gonna say her name.
She's gonna introduce herself.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We're gonna get it jumping yeah, hell yeah, um wait
, no, that's what's a curse, I'msorry you can cuss okay, okay,
uh, my name is carl carison anduh, yeah, I'm a singer,
songwriter.
I remember watching you go upand doing your stand-up and just
being like, oh my gosh, like soamazed by it and I was crazy to
(00:50):
be sitting here.
I remember when you were likestarting the podcast up, you'd
be like, all right, everybodypull out your phones, go follow.
Right now, right, this second,I just had so much respect for
you and I still do, it's cool Ihave a lot of respect for you.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I thought you was afraid of me or like I irritated
you one day, because you know Iused to joke on people all the
time and they're just like, yeah, buddy, don't fuck with me.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
No, okay, I'm not going to lie.
I remember the exact day thatyou're talking about Because,
like we had never spoken to eachother and you were coming from
my throat and I was like damn,this is really funny.
Like I can't be that mad aboutit because it's funny.
But I was like I don't know, Iwas feeling some type of way
about it.
And then afterwards he talkedto me.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I was like okay, we're cool yeah, man, people
that don't know I'm a comedian.
If I joke on you, that means Irock with you, right, and if I
want, if you want to joke aboutme, cool.
But I saw you come up therewith the guitar because you had
like this vibe with you.
I was like, okay, because youknow, on thursdays you don't see
(01:56):
many uh artists come with aguitar right and play like a
acoustic guitar and they wastuning it up.
You don't see many of that.
You see a lot of us.
It's not the shit on, nobodylike doing covers or True.
You know stuff like that, so youcoming up there with an
original song and your own vibe,it was something different I've
(02:18):
never seen.
I've seen it in person, likegoing to concerts and stuff, but
I never seen the prep um comingup from that yeah, coming up,
like coming up from it, likeI've always seen, like the
finished product.
I've never seen it like the,the cake being starting to bake,
the ingredients being made.
How did you, yeah, get into allof, like playing instruments
(02:39):
and the singing, and who weresome of your inspirations?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
oh yeah, well, you know it's.
It's funny that you mentionedthe come up, because that was
something that I was looking forwhen I first was starting this
whole process, because I waslike I don't know how to do this
and now I'm documenting myjourney because I wasn't able to
find anybody that wasdocumenting their journey.
But yeah, to answer yourquestion, I definitely I've
(03:07):
always sang, like my grandmawould take me to church, like
back in the day, don't rock withthe church anymore.
But back when I was little, Iwas all about it and she was
like, yeah, you'd be right upthere just screaming at the top
of your lungs, you know, singingyour little heart out, and I've
just never stopped your lungs.
You know, singing your littleheart out and I, I've just never
stopped I.
You know, growing up wasn't inthe like best household.
(03:30):
It was pretty toxic and um, Iwould.
I remember just like hiding outin my room and trying to
replicate the sounds as best asI could about the people that I
loved, you know.
So, like music, soul child wasa huge one for me, or, yeah, or
Alicia Keys, because of courseyou know, beyonce.
Actually, now that I'm reallythinking about it like a lot of
(03:50):
soul, r&b style artists orneo-soul even like Erykah Badu
were huge for me.
And then I, on the like otherside of it, like the songwriter
part, I've always just lovedmusic wholeheartedly and so I
listened to all kinds of genresand didn't realize it, but I was
picking apart those songs whenI was listening to them.
(04:13):
And so when it came time about2019, I was in the military,
didn't know what the hell Iwanted to do with my life.
I just kind of started throwingdarts at them all.
I was like I don't really knowwho I am, I don't know what I
enjoy, let's see.
And I met someone who was amusician for a long time and the
rest kind of just developedfrom there.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
You said music soul child.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, yeah, with the Q, With the Q.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I don't even know how old you are, but I'm just
astonished because you gottarealize like he had a
generational run.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yes, well, yeah, my stepmom, like whenever she would
get real mad at my dad, hewould be like you always put on
that hate man, hated music, andlike she had this whole playlist
jasmine sullivan would go on.
That's how I knew I was like,let me get in my bedroom, let me
go hide, because I'm not tryingto get my ass whooped or being
(05:10):
in the wrong place at the wrongtime, but like you know when,
when he finally hit, I was likeokay, we're, we're back to chill
vibes again.
Let me come out.
She, she's loving him again.
I'm cool now.
I'm cool yeah, he.
He had like a interview recently, I'm thinking on the 85 south
show, when he was putting outalbums under different aliases
(05:33):
yes, oh my god, yes, I saw himlive, actually with eric bennett
, I know, and I was so excitedbecause they like marketed it as
a soul, you know concertbetween the two and er Eric
Bennett opened it and I was likeyes, oh my gosh, you sound
great, it was amazing.
And then Music Soulchild cameon and said some some crazy ass
(05:54):
shit that I was like whoa.
I was not even expecting that,and he's like alright, now time
for my rap album.
I was like rap album, oh okay,I mean go off.
I'm glad that you're going onyour own direction that's crazy,
man.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Do you want to do like different aliases and start
putting out a rap album, a rockalbum, uh, neo soul album, and
so on and so on?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
no, I think really my goal right now is um, I have
not seen any record labels thatreally really go after the
artist vision.
So my ultimate goal right nowis to start that um for other
artists and, rather than beinglike, this is the direction you
should take, just letting themdo art however they want to um,
(06:43):
and encouraging them that,because it's like I'm not going
to sign you if I don't seesomething there in the first
place.
Why would I stifle that?
Because I I just feel like alot of what we're seeing today
is very regurgitated art andlike all arts regurgitate, don't
get me wrong but it's like overregurgitated to the point where
it's like, oh, we foundsomething that works and a bunch
of businessmen were like nowthere's nothing really new
(07:05):
coming in there's really nooriginality yeah, exactly so,
like I don't know thatnecessarily under my own alias,
but I would love to produce forother people in any genre that
they would like, for sure yeah,you nervous yes it's
(07:31):
nerve-wracking having all the.
Yeah, I don't know it'sdifferent talking to podcaster
rome than his friend rome it'sthe same.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
No, it's not the same .
On the stage, the podcast andoutside of this is just like a
whole different beast.
Yeah, it's a whole differentthing.
It's weird.
I'm like the music soul childof the microphone maybe, I don't
know I mean, who doesn't?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
well, I used to not.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Actually, the stage fright was bad so how did you
overcome that stage fright?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
honestly going to the venue a bunch, yeah, literally.
I don't know if you remember mesitting out there and like
shaking so bad, yeah, yeah, no,that was it was literally.
It was that it was going everythursday night to to just do it
in front of people over and overagain and just rip that
band-aid off and eventually andeven now, like before I go on, I
(08:31):
still feel queasy and scaredbut I'm like this is what I want
to do.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So you know, you got to kind of figure it out you got
like a pre-game ritual beforeyou get on the stage, because I
can tell you mine yeah, tell meyours, I'll tell you mine it was
.
It's three different.
It was three different eras.
The first era was stop, get gas, get the mixed fruit mentos
(08:56):
with a tea on a palmer fromthere, throw up in the parking
lot I feel that, oh my God, yes.
The second arrow was I will wakeup in the morning, brush my
(09:17):
teeth, shower.
My show could be at like 8o'clock.
I will shower three hoursbefore the show.
Come with my book bag and allmy pads, stop at 7-eleven, get a
water and some kind of likefruit, like a uh, like beef
jerky or something.
Yeah, this new era is I writethe jokes out, I take it on an
(09:40):
index card and I just leave outthe door wow, that's like such a
big jump, I feel like fromgoing from throwing up in the
parking lot that's 7-eleven usedto hate seeing me pulling up
like the cashier was like youmust have a show today.
I was like I'm so sorry, and itwasn't like in the trash can, it
wasn't in the the bathroom, itwas literally me at the pump,
(10:03):
just.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And then I'm like somebody go get the cat litter
rome's walking in here comesrome.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I was like yeah, all right, and I was doing that for
a minute and then I'm going tostage like oh, I'm good, you
know me like nothing everhappened and you know that you
just committed sins in a7-eleven well, I feel so bad, I
feel so relieved.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Wait, okay, so was there a third phase.
There's a third phase, right.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
The third phase is just the index cards.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Okay, the third phase was the index cards.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Index cards and get a bottle of water from the house
and I don't even drink the damnwater.
Damn but it's like the comfortof having it but like the only
thing that that doesn't stopright now, like even in all
three phases, is if I have to gofor like a long drive, I at
least have to pee four or fivetimes on the road that's also
(11:03):
very real.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It's like your body goes into the state of like, get
it all out.
Get it all out, get it all out.
Yeah, go ahead.
Show yours.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I know you don't throw up in the parking lot, but
no, I'm classier than that.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I find a toilet.
No, I, I don't know, I um, Idefinitely.
Right now I feel like I'm still.
I guess I'm at phase two,because phase one was like I
would actually go to thebathroom of the venue, because
that was really the only place Iperformed because I knew.
No, here's the thing.
I knew that, like, the rulesthat they set out at the
(11:40):
beginning for anyone who doesn'tknow is that you have to clap.
So, like you know, going upthere you're gonna have applause
, and that just made me feelmore comfortable going up.
So the venue was the only placethat I was trying to go.
So I would go into the bathroom.
Every time I would pee, pee,pee and then vomit on the last
(12:02):
one, like four different visits,and I'd be like okay, and then
vomit on the last one, like fourdifferent visits, and I'd be
like okay, and then I would goup, like the reason I always got
tea is because I neededsomething warm for my vocal
cords after throwing up in thebathroom.
So when you were like, oh yeah,I vomited in the cell, I was
like, oh, that's so real.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I was always wondering why James kept
lighting the incense after youcame out the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
He's like this girl needs to be cleansed, let's put
some energy out there.
Oh man, yeah, and then I go.
I think I was really doing alot of the Thursday night, you
know, night playground thingswith Coop and learning more.
I realized that something thathelped me get my nerves out was
dancing.
So that's the phase two thatI'm in now is having
(12:55):
predetermined things I'm goingto do when I get on stage so I
don't get out there and freeze,at least initially, to dance and
get my body moving and get thatanxiety out, and then after
that I'm kind of in this likepieces of my brain there's me
and then there's cara, you knowand then, like you like get off
(13:16):
the stage.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
You're like fucking they'd be like you rock that
shit, yeah, yeah.
Have you ever been like so hardon yourself where everybody's
like no, you did good, but inyour mind like yo, I could have
did a lot better than what?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I mean, even we had when we released big joke, we
did a big joke release party andeven that I had it recorded
everything.
I was watching it back andafter the performance everyone
was like, wow, you did so greatall this stuff and I was like
man, like I'm so excited to seethis footage, it's gonna be
great.
And then the whole time I'mwatching I'm just sitting there
(13:51):
cringing like oh, oh, you reallychose to do that.
Huh, like that's crazy.
Do you have anything like thatwhen you're giving jokes?
I mean, I know with comedianssometimes the joke doesn't land,
depending on the crowd too, soI'm sure that can mean they're
racking, trying stuff out.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
It's been a few, it's been a few it's been.
It's like it's as good assomebody thinks I am.
I'm like no, that shit was ass.
Like I did a show.
I went to connecticut and wasat the mohegan sun yeah right
comics roll house, last comic,standing man, you're so funny,
(14:31):
man, you're so funny, man,you're so funny.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Even I knew that shit was ass.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Damn.
Got the video.
I'm like I ain't about to postthis up.
I showed my pops.
He was like out of 10, I gaveyou about a six.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Right, well, we keep honest people.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, he was like it's a six.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
James was like I said , James, I don't think I did
good.
I mean, I was contemplatingquitting comedy at that point
and James was like yeah, youdidn't do that, well, you could
work on your transitions Boy.
I was so glad I don't know whatit was I was so glad that my
pops and James just kept it realto me, Because I felt like all
these fucking comedians wascoming.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Man, you were fucking hilarious.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I'm like shut, the fuck up.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
It makes you go through your head of like okay,
so then the performances I thinkI did kill.
Did I actually kill them or didI not?
Yeah, I feel that.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I feel that Received.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, oh, my god, I remember G.
He used to say that all thetime He'd be like oh, heard,
received.
He got me saying that I'm gonnabring that back, let's bring
that back received.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Be back, my cheer man I.
I thought I mean like when Ilistened to big joke, I was like
it was on replay.
I called you, I was at the gym.
I was like I gotta listen tothis because I saw you at poster
.
That's, I gotta check it out.
And I was wondering where thehell you went at what is like oh
she, she didn't move, though tobaltimore.
She recording demos and shit.
And I was wondering where thehell you went at.
But it was like, oh she, shedidn't move, though, to
(15:57):
baltimore, she recording demosand shit and I was like wow I'm
so proud of you.
I'm so proud of you.
I was like you don't understandlike I was so proud I'm still
out proud.
I'm like it takes a lot ofcojones and fortitude to do what
you do.
To get on the stage is is thehard part.
Well, that's the easy part.
To move, get on the stage isthe is the harder part.
(16:23):
So how, how has it been sinceyou moved from Virginia, we in
Baltimore now, right?
Yeah, yeah how's that been?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Well, I mean there's definitely, you know, I feel
like with everything in life,the good and the bad, for sure I
would say the good is that themusic community here is, I would
say, like maybe a little bitmore competitive than Virginia,
virginia Beach was, but there'sso much just raw talent sitting
(16:56):
there waiting to be looked at.
It's crazy to me that Baltimore, musically, is not up there
with, you know, nashville or LAor New York, because the amount
of artists that are here isincredible.
So that's really cool.
I feel like the community isbigger, even if it's a little
bit more competitive and notnecessarily as supportive as I
would say for Jimmy Beach's.
(17:16):
So that was definitely anadjustment period because I was
like okay, cool, we're all herefor each other and everything
and that's not necessarily thecase.
So that's been interestinglearning the ins and outs.
Also, there's a lot of drama,like everyone's in's in like six
bands, and you're like, how areyou in six bands?
Like how do you even have timefor that?
(17:37):
Because when I also, like whenI moved from Virginia Beach to
Maryland, I upped my game of,like you know, social media and
then you know, like you said,recording songs and trying to
get on bigger stages other thanjust like open mic nights, etc,
etc.
And trying to get on biggerstages other than just like open
mic nights, etc, etc.
And there's a lot of back-endstuff that you have to do that I
did not know existed in music.
(17:57):
I thought, you know, you justput on a pretty dress and you're
like you're done.
So I don't know.
I would say overall I likebaltimore better though yeah, I
feel you received.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I think, like in this entertainment industry, there's
a lot of betas trying to bealphas.
That's crazy, I think everybodywants to be a big shark in a
small pond and they don't evenknow how to swim.
Like it's a, it's a process,right, and it's not like an
overnight thing.
And then, like you get onesthat haven't been doing it as
(18:33):
long as you but they see, likethe poise and the reactions that
you get on the stage, they wantto attach themselves to you.
Yeah, you like no this.
Like they don't see the grind ofme throwing up four times in
the bathroom, me overdrafting myaccount to get to the next gig
(18:53):
yes, that's real, that's real mepulling up to a place that
serves like it's like I'm doingwell in front of eight people
but I'm a bomber from the 80people, or vice versa, I'm
killing in front of 100 people,but I can go do the same song,
same set, in front of 10 people,yeah, and they not receiving it
(19:16):
at all.
So like they don't I.
That's what I honestly feel.
I think is especially for thelast two years.
I feel like everybody's wantsto be a beta is a beta but wants
to be an alpha, so fucking bad,like nobody.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, that's very fair.
It's kind of you know, it'sfunny, like I know people hate
on her a lot, but um, when kimkardashian came out I was like
no one wants to work these daysand everyone was like oh, like
there's a lot of people thatwork hard and stuff.
I was like, honestly, I canreally see where she's coming
from on that, though, because ifyou are about it, if you're
(19:52):
about that dream, about thatvision, whatever it is, there is
no work-life balance.
Like that's a lie that peopletell you and I'm not saying that
no one is out here grinding.
I think, like what she saidmaybe was a little bit over
exaggerated, but, that beingsaid, like this lie that we feed
ourselves about like oh, youcan have all these equal parts
of life and still accomplish agoal that is like way up here is
(20:14):
just not true.
It's just not true.
Like what you said aboutoverdrafting the account, like I
can't tell you, the last time Ihad like a solid eight hours of
sleep, you know where it's notlike taking a nap in between,
like right now I, and the amountof skills you have to learn too
.
Don't start on that.
It's not just music, it'sbusiness, it's marketing.
(20:36):
It's social media management,which is different than
marketing.
It's knowing all the statisticsand the metrics.
It's you know, I'm I'm makingmy own merch too.
So it's been learning how tomake t-shirts and, like, I
listen, I'm a construction mantoo now because I'm renting out
my rehearsal space and likepainting the walls and, like you
know, spackling it and whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
So, yeah, like no one talks about that, but it is not
that simple to just yeah, likeyou said, stage is the easy part
, that's the fun part, that'sthe part that keeps you going
yeah that's the fun part, thengoing behind the scenes and and
trying to learn algorithm andposting and seeing what's gonna
gain attention, and then, likeyou're watching me personally, I
(21:22):
was watching like an interviewwith the one of the founders of
instagrams.
Like hashtags don't matter, I'mlike what I've been told
hashtags was the main thing toget you out there yes, that you
should be hashtagging the crapout of your thing.
Well, at first it was put asmany as you can, then it was
limited three to five, then it'snone and you're like okay, I
(21:47):
feel like at this point you guysare just making shit up yeah,
and then it's like now you gottalike everything has to be a
real and youtube everything hasto be a short, because we don't
have the attention span anymoreto sit through a three minute
song anymore.
We need a song that's a minuteand a half like I downloaded an
album I'm not gonna say theartist's name and I remember
(22:09):
back then when I was growing up,an album was like an hour yeah
now it's like 30 minutes yeah,give or take some.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, even when I'm makingsongs like I have one song that
I'm going to be releasing inapril that is about six minutes,
and I was like I don't know, Idon't know how this is gonna hit
because of the attention spanthing, and that's hard, because
it's like you have art thatyou're trying to show a certain
(22:42):
way.
Like, whenever I'm making a setlist, I try to, you know, have
like a little bump at thebeginning of like a hype song
and then something a littlelower, and then you kind of just
build it up, but if you're onlyseeing a 30 second part of that
, it's it.
I, in my opinion, doesn't hitthe same, don't have the same.
It's like telling the back endof a joke without having to set
(23:04):
up like how do you even do that,you know, without just doing
like a bunch of one-liners it'slike going on wikipedia and
reading about the movie, insteadof just sitting there and
watching the full.
Yes, and experiencing ityourself, and then adding on the
Wikipedia on top of it, likeyou're, like I don't know.
I also get it, though, cause Igrew up in a time frame where,
(23:26):
like, my attention span isreally short, so when I'm
looking at other people'scontent, I'm like, oh, whatever,
just like scroll through,scroll through, scrolling
through.
So I'm definitely a hypocritein saying that, but it is, like
from an artist's perspective,really frustrating.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It is.
It's probably a little bit morefrustrating now too, because
everything is so geared towardssocial media now.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah, true yeah, and very politically charged too,
like this.
The state of the world isfucking crazy right now, like I
don't even know how we I knowhow we got here, but like I
don't, it's crazy, it's just,you know, you, you defund the
education system enough and itjust seems to kind of trickle
(24:09):
down and it's like we're justseeing that cycle, but not
political okay, okay but it'slike it's on top of that you
know you have that and then ontop of that being swamped into
social media, you're trying tonavigate your way through that.
Like, one of my biggest thingsfor my platform is trying to
bridge that gap between peopleso we can actually like talk and
(24:31):
have healthier conversationsabout what is going on and, you
know, build more of a community,because I do feel like we're
really divided right now divided.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I think a lot of stuff is propaganda to justify,
and I'll be like this is crazyand I mean I, we, I saw the the
right, we saw A lot of us sawthe writings on the wall, what
was going to happen.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
For sure.
Now I'm going to ask you this.
I'm going to see if you cancatch the following You're a
musician, you're an artist,you're a singer, you're in the
music industry.
Million dollar question.
How do you feel about the wholeKendrick and Drake beef?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
You want my honest answer go ahead I think a lot of
the beef is staged.
Personally I do.
I think a lot of it's staged.
I think too like, if whatthey're saying about drake is
true and I'm not like a part ofthe law or whatever I'm not
gonna sit here and like say hedid or didn't, because I don't
(25:36):
know his life, I have myopinions on it, but that's not
for me to judge.
I feel like whenever beef getsblown out of proportion like
that, and it's just everywhereand they're making songs back
and forth, I really think it'sjust a publicity stunt.
So it's hard for me to get intoit, because I'm like I don't
know, I'm just like you knowwhat?
(25:56):
Because I know when I'm mad atsomeone, I go talk to them about
it and be like or I cut themoff, it's one or the other.
If I'm trying to continue therelationship with you, then I'll
talk to you about it, but ifI'm not, then, like you know, if
those allegations are true,they'll definitely be telling
that I'll be like okay, I'mgonna investigate yeah, let me
(26:21):
let me you know.
Yeah, let me call the properauthorities and let me not be
attached to you anymore, becauseobviously your energy is not
where I'm trying to go.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
That's my honest opinion they've been cussing
each other out for like 15 yearsI'm saying subliminally like.
It's been subliminals like andthe crazy thing about it is when
the everything happened lastsummer, it seemed like all right
, can't you drop the song?
Drake, drop the song.
Can't you drop the song?
Drake drops on.
These songs were not like.
(26:51):
We were talking about early 30seconds a minute and a half.
These motherfuckers was likesix minutes long about what.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
They're angry about what?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
they're angry about, then they name dropping each
other, then they go in theirfamilies.
Yeah, it was like all right anddon't get me wrong, like it was
, it was, it was greatentertainment.
You know I'm saying it wasgreat entertainment, but I was
what I'm saying it was greatentertainment, but I was like
now what the beef is over with.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
And now what?
Because that's what you builtyour platform on is having this
beef.
So what do you like?
Start new beef, like.
And also, this is like not hereon my soapbox, Let me just
tiptoe on it for a second, Okay,but like what are you teaching
the younger generation beneathus to or not beneath us?
That's a wild thing to say.
But what are you teaching thegeneration that's coming up
(27:41):
right?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
now.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Like that it's okay to you know shit, talk each
other and put each other downand stuff.
Like there's already so much ofthat, why I don't understand
the purpose of putting more hateinto the world.
Like like you know the shit,the allegations that are there,
then yes, they should be heldaccountable for that.
(28:03):
But like also, on the other endof that, that doesn't mean you
have to sit here and like spewhate and stuff like I don't know
.
I know hate gets a lot of views, but it's just not really.
Not really what I'm rockingwith, I guess I think lies gets
also.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I think lies get spread further than the truth
does.
Yeah, like they can't get lamarbeef was the guy music industry
?
And god damn, that cat williamsinterview fucked up every
comedian.
And I'm like people ask all thetime like I'm pretty sure you
guys get it like do y'all reallyhave these beefs and and stuff
(28:40):
like that?
and I'll be like yeah, but, thedumbest thing I've I've ever
heard is like another comedianbeef another comedian.
I'm like bro, you're not katewilliams, this isn't the kings
of comedy, we're not on clubshea shea, you're not kindred,
it's nissen drake.
Like we're trying to get totheir level.
These are fucking millionairesbeefing with each other and
we're literally sitting at abrewery about to do five minute
(29:03):
sets.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
So shut the fuck up not the sitting at the brewery,
no, literally, though.
Yeah.
And also like, imagine how muchfarther you would get just like
working together in the firstplace.
You know not that you're gonnavibe with everyone, but I don't
know.
I just hate seeing communities,especially because you know
(29:27):
that's what really that anartist is building yes, a
following and everything, butyou're also building a bridge
between people would be like Ilike this artist, you like this
artist, and that's already abond there.
So, like whatever, howeveryou're holding yourself,
whatever standard, that iswhatever you're talking about.
I always try to keep that inmind of like, what am I giving
(29:49):
people to talk about?
Is it to spread more hate andlike that kind of shit, or is it
to talk about something biggerthan that, something more
important?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
people act like it's only one microphone, one studio,
one stage and I gotta be theonly one that's gonna touch it
and I'm like, yes, you soundfucking stupid.
And then when you shut the onesout that's actually doing work,
they go move up to somewhereelse.
You like you just gotta spewthe hate.
It's so, it's so dumb.
But I don't need to get on mysoapbox at all because that
(30:23):
would be like if somebody wasinterviewing me.
I like I can go in on for hourson some of the shit that I've
seen and things like that, butsee, that's what we should do.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
We should do another one of these, but reverse it and
I'll interview you.
Let me look at my list ofquestions.
How do you feel about thekendrick lamar and drake b?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I loved it.
I loved it.
I've I've been a big likekendrick lamar fan since I heard
rigor mortis, so this we'regoing.
He's a great artist and I'm 36,so like, listen to party music
and a lot of trap or like I get,I can't do it.
Yeah, I only listen to that.
(31:06):
Going to the work, going to thegym, drake is a solid, solid
entertainer yeah but as far asartistry goes, kendrick hands
down, like even that super bowlperformance, the grammy
performances, his music videos.
You have to study those and andget those and where they're
going.
And I think Kendra was like,damn, I've been doing this just
(31:26):
as long as Drake and they'regiving Drake all these flowers.
It's time for me to come getmine.
And they've been like I said,they've been cussing each other
out for like 10, 15 years and Ithought it was hilarious because
I went on the Twitter threadone day I went down a rabbit
hole of, well, he was cussingdrake out on all the stars and
then he cussed him out on thebeyonce song and drake talked
(31:46):
about his wife on this song andI'm like, but we just did poetic
.
We did poetic, justice andfucking problems in 20, 2009.
But off that.
Are you still nervous?
Are you just rubbing your ankle?
Okay?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I, yes, I'm just laying with my like leg, I don't
even know how to describe itdid you get a new sleeve since I
saw you?
I well, I finished it.
Yeah, I don't know if you canlike really see it not really,
but it's dope from what I see.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Is that black Panther ?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I wish it is a Black Panther, but it's not the Black
Panther.
I don't know if I can do that.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I don't know if I'm allowed, don't get canceled.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I'll be in support.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Solidarity, brother Solidarity.
Being an ally to the LGBTQcommunity, like, yeah, oh, I'm a
part of that.
But you know, before we get off, yeah, one, I appreciate your
patience and everything.
(33:00):
I know you were so excited whenyou was messaging me yesterday.
I'm not even gonna lie to you.
I was having dinner with myfamily, like my extended family
and sometimes they.
It just takes a lot out of mesometimes to be a social
butterfly, so he was likemessaging me.
He's like yeah, I thought Isaid three or something.
Say two, say two, get it earlybecause I'm old.
I'm gonna take a nap after thisall right okay you know what I
(33:24):
mean.
But what advice would you giveto anyone that's trying to
trying to get into the industrythat's writing songs and playing
instruments like what?
What advice would you give them?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
oh, a hundred percent if I could go back in time and
retry.
You know, not that I've made itsuper successful or anything
yet, but I would definitely readas much as you can about the
music industry.
There's one book in particularthat of course I am forgetting,
but it's like the book.
(33:59):
If you look it up it'll be likethe number one thing.
It's like on its 17th editionit's called like, literally
referred to, as the music bible,like it goes through everything
.
I read that front to back.
It says on the book not to dothat necessarily, but like to do
it as you need it.
Read it front to back because Idid it as the book instructed
me to and I honestly felt likethere was a lot of things I
(34:22):
missed on the back end.
So read, read, read, read andget your ducks in a row, like
the reason I was quiet for along time and doing all this was
because I was learning how todance.
I was learning how to, you know, get past my stage fright.
I was getting my LLC together,I was getting my merch together,
all the stuff, and that waywhen I came out, you know, with
my first song, it was boom andyou know from the jump because
(34:45):
so many people have been waitingso long.
I've been making friends alongthe way and connections.
Now I have connections like you, for example, for podcasts
interview, which I reallyappreciate, um, but also you
know other bands that I'mfriends with to put set lists
together Network, prepare, be inthe gym, be in the zone.
I know it fucking sucks becauseyou can't be on stage doing the
(35:06):
best part of this, but it isworth it at the end because then
you can just run.
So, yeah, prepare as much asyou can and only launch when
it's the last thing on thechecklist.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
And where can they follow?
What can they find?
You follow, you subscribe andlike.
Well, like, and and what's thename of the song?
Speaker 2 (35:26):
again, big joke, big joke by cara caterson.
It's on all streaming platforms, so you can find it anywhere.
And then, as far as followingme instagram, I did recently
start facebook um tiktok, bluesky.
It's all cara caterson, c-a-r-a, c-a-t-e-r-s-o-n.
And if you're looking oninstagram and tiktok, the handle
(35:47):
has a period in between caraand caterson.
So, cara period, caterson.
Yeah, that's me, february 22nd.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I'm gonna show you how diverse my uh playlist is.
So you see her song and thenyou see, say that Shit by Black
Boy JB, it's just right besideit.
So obviously I'm proud becauseI never met anybody that's been
on Apple Music that can bust up.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
You're like, I know this person.
I have 52 monthly listenersright now for my first song
Right For Spotify, spotify it'spretty good, I think you know.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
I always say like, if you get one follower or
subscriber, I feel like youtouch one soul yes, 52 people,
that's a lot, that's a lot it'slike you're doing it I'm I'm
trying, so are you out here?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
I need to come down for another comedy show.
That's what I need to do, whichis when uh, I got a couple
lined up.
Yeah, yeah, but I'm actuallygoing up there to baltimore
we're going back to baltimore dcto do more work out there
because, uh, the market here forcomedy is fucking ass yeah,
(37:03):
well, if you come up here likeand we're hosting our own event,
I'd love to have you as a hostor an mc you can do like a
comedy set in between for sure,just let people know if I joke
on them I love it like now.
You're the big joke.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I'm sorry, I had to it's all right, I still love you
.
It's all right, we still loveyou girl with a dream.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I'm just a bitch.
Oh my god you're.
You're.
People watching this podcastare gonna be like what kind of
this girl talks too much.
No, we don't even know what thehell is going on.
I'm gonna be like you know what?
Neither do I, but it's a goodtime they're gonna.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
you know what they're gonna look at.
They can be like wow, he justinterviewed a dominatrix sex
worker and now he has a musicianeverywhere.
What the hell, where the fuckare we going with this?
I was like you want to go getinterviewed after a lady named
Pepper the Black Cat, mm-hmm,bullshit.
(38:15):
Okay, that's why you got yourthighs out.
I understand, you know what.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
I mean I had to keep up.
I had to keep up.
I'm not even lying.
I didn't realize got yourthighs out.
I understand, you know what Imean.
I had to keep up.
I had to keep up.
I'm not even lying.
I didn't realize it was thisout All right, but I did.
I wore my pink and my.
You know, I don't know.
It's like the juxtaposition ofit all.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
We still love you.
I love you.
I love you.
If you guys want to follow me,me is comedian rome uh, all
social media platforms and no idpodcast for the podcast on
instagram, as well as atcomedian rome davis on youtube.
What I'm going to do, I'm goingto put the link, uh, in the bio
of this, the video andeverything, and make sure you
(38:53):
support.
Big joke, cara caterson did Iget that cara caterson cara
caterson, I keep.
I got a cousin named tara, butwe say tara instead of.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
But it's still you say that to me every time.
Every time you're like oh, it'sbecause I have a cousin.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
I'm like I know I know it and I'm like yo, she's
t-a-r-a, you're c-a-r-a.
We say tara, yeah, it's socrazy, but now make sure you
support.
Support like, share, comment,subscribe.
Go to her social media, carakatterson, and support katterson
(39:32):
.
God damn it, car, whatever, Ijust know her as my best friend
and the girl I will pick on onThursdays for $5 a month.
With all the what.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
The beanies.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah, the beanies, the Vans.
Yeah, I remember.
Yeah, yeah, that's a big stepup from the Avril Lavigne.
Look that she was going.
She's a skater girl.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
I don't even know what I am.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
now You're you, I think you're coming into you.
I think that's like.
I think when you first startoff, you start off as like a
certain way of like beingcomfortable, and then you get
comfortable being uncomfortable.
So you look changed up, likenow I wear more button ups and
cardigans and I don't know ifyou saw, now I got a bow tie
(40:18):
incorporated into my I didnotice that, yeah, you're
elevating every time.
I'm trying to get like you, bigdog.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
It was really the bow tie.
You know, when you're out thereI was like you know he's
missing something.
The bow tie, the bow tie.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
I was like, oh yeah, I pulled out a bow tie and
performed one time.
I was like who the fuck is this?
I was perform one time.
I was like who the fuck is this?
Oh man, but I appreciateeverything and, um, I wish you
nothing but the best of success.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
You got my number.
You already know what to do.
Same, yeah, let me know whenyou're up here.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
I'd love to see you perform oh, let me know when
you're back down here, so I canthat part?
I will most definitely sign off.
Thank you so much.
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