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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to a brand new
episode of no ID podcast.
I got a somebody here and I'm Itold him earlier, is in my top
10.
He's coming off the bench.
He did a sold out show atMadison Square Garden.
Some of us, this 30 and over,can remember him being motif on
the Malaney show.
He's been on Comedy Central.
(00:23):
He's all across the board.
I kind of consider him like asmooth jazz type that.
I've seen him do some martialarts on his Instagram, choking
out motherfuckers.
I've seen him do some greatthings, and one and only the
great, seaton Smith.
How are you doing today,brother?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Thanks, man Coming off the bench, I don't mind that
so much.
Let me think about some goodbench buffers.
I mean, let's see there was awas it Cooper off of the Lakers.
That's the most shit rightthere.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I'm blue wheels and it wasn't.
It wasn't BJP.
Now, it was a fuck the car.
Come off the bench.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
They did come off the bench.
Robert Warwick came off thebench.
Robert Warwick got seven rings.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Robert Warwick came off the bench but he was started
with the Lakers.
Oh, fuck man, I'm not gonna bethinking about this Good six man
who I used to love.
Fuck, that's six man ever.
Who is that?
I know I'm a dude, I'm a waternigga.
Is he still a six man?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Who is?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
it A dollar, wasn't a six man for one of them?
One of them teams.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, he was a six man for the.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
What was the?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
state.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, go straight for for the Durant, for the Durant
era.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
The Durant yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Anyways, you know I don't mind the six man, so I'm
trying to say go ahead Now.
There's a lot of dudes I reallyrespect.
I wouldn't put people to liveright now, I would not put
myself like something like that.
All right, what are you goingto do?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Hey, man, I told you earlier, I told the comedy homes
because after every openMichael, everything, every
showcase, we actually just sitaround just like yo.
Did you see this special?
Did you see this comedian?
Did you see this one?
I was like bro, like I cameacross seeing Smith on Instagram
I think it was a comics unseenpage I was like I just got into
like a whirlwind of digging moreand more into your craft and
(02:09):
your art.
So I actually appreciate itbecause, like I said, it's like
a smooth jazz type thing.
It's like it's a vibe you haveturned.
Your comedy is like a naturalconversation with a smooth.
You know where to pick it upand just keep it there at that
level.
It's just like you're taking usfor a ride, for the full set.
(02:30):
So I respect it.
It's not a lot of comediansregardless of their one or two
years in the game or even 20years in the game, they could
really do this and I've seen alot of comedy in my time.
So I got you in my top 10.
Like six minutes, like you'relike Lou Williams, like three
time Envy, like three time evena former, also like Jamal
(02:50):
Crawford.
It's like you're right there,like it's in my greats like
Eddie Murphy, richard Pryor Ieven got Jerry Sanfield in there
Bernie Mac.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Oh, I didn't know it was all the time I thought it
was alive working today.
Oh yeah, a lot of real shit.
I mean alive.
That's fucking really reallynice.
It's just like I'm hoping totake.
Yeah, that half hour was a fun,good energy.
I'm hoping the next one afterthe hour.
Yeah, I'm going to take it to anew level.
There's a yeah man, there was anew energy.
I started noticing I used to bereally a lot more spastic and
(03:26):
then I just, I don't know, I gotobsessed with just like there
is something else going on here,connection wise, I kind of want
to see it also in my life.
I just started going on deepertopics and I just found that
going at the deeper topics withsuch a harsh tone was just
didn't feel good.
It felt good to like kind ofeasily.
(03:46):
I mean, I can yell aboutgetting beat and it could be
funny for a second, but then youcan really quietly talk about
it for about 10, 15 minutes.
You really just wear a realflag, oh shit, and I don't know
like, but you still need to bejust seem like.
I guess I don't know His shitwas like, he shit was in that
world and I was like, how can Iget there and still maintain
(04:08):
time?
It's like, yeah, that flow,shit to me is real beautiful.
To me, it's just like, once youget to that world, it's just,
that's my favorite.
That's all I remember one timeit was awesome, 930 Club in
Washington DC Years ago, paulMooney, when he got hot after
the show, so maybe it was before2000.
Shit, maybe 2004, 2005.
Him, and then, randomly, dickGregory was like, yeah, I want
(04:29):
to open up for you.
It was fucking weird.
Fuck, these two greats decidedto do a show together.
It was amazing and it was right.
When he was, they were all andso they were just, everybody was
in the edge, they see, and Iremember people just yelling out
to Paul to talk about anything,talk about the white guy Did
that.
He would just sit there andpause and everybody's edge, they
see, just waiting, waiting forhis words.
And I was like, and he wasn'tdoing nothing to get them all,
(04:52):
he wasn't like, he was just likebeing profound and efficient
and just, I don't know, man, Isee greats like that.
You go.
Ok, that's what I got to do oneday.
I got to be great, you got totry.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You do got to try, man.
Like I saw Dick Gregory performa few times, like I saw him do
the Martin Lawrence first standup, and it was.
It was like who is this?
And, of course, like I said,social media and the Internet
just brings you more into it,you know.
And then my pops.
I remember he was a track star,he was a turn off, a state up.
I'm like what, patrice, patrice.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Boy, boy, boy, boy, boy, boy, boy, boy boy.
Dick Gregory let's talk abouthim for one second.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I thought about he was crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
His life was crazy.
He went from a track star to afat man, to a vegan, to a pro,
an awesome ass comic, and thensomething else.
And then, like I saw him comeback, he actually did like a
weekend at the, at a club whenthe Martin Luther King statue
was opened and he, like he, didan easy three hours in his life
(05:50):
Late 70s, early 80s.
At that point, easy three hours.
I only stayed for about 45, 50minutes of it, just because I
get antsy.
I can't.
As a comic, comments are reallygood at sitting down there.
We got to walk around, we gotto talk to the waitress, we got
to go talk some shit.
Come back in.
But he was a genius, it's justI don't know.
(06:10):
Dude, yeah, and back to you, wecan go.
And, patrice, right now if youwant.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Patrice.
Patrice, I was Comedy Centralbecause I think around one
o'clock at night on FridaysComedy Central just went
unscripted.
So that's when I came acrossPatrice and then I had found out
he was writing for WWF.
He wrote the sexual chocolateMark Henry and then I saw the
(06:34):
sit down.
When he did he was with Bobsecond and Roseanne.
He started breaking down likehow to work rooms and have
listen to Kevin Hart and what he, him and Kevin Hart was doing
and just how great of a comedianhe was.
Like this is.
Yeah, it was amazing man.
I just I got sucked in so likeseeing his stand up and seeing
how he performed.
(06:55):
I was like damn.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, there was something happening around 2007
for me cause Dan Sluy and BillBurr.
They were kind of like if youthink of like comedy as kung fu
schools.
They figured out comedy fromthe seller in a way that's like
they were the same comic, notlike in a hacky ugly, what would
be like a really like organicapproach.
They both, they all three havethe same approach and they all
(07:20):
in their own distinct patterns.
But like I got to open up forhim randomly when I got to do
the opening Anthony travelingvirus tour, I won a contest in
2007 and I won car crash comedy.
We got to tell jokes and ifthey played a car crash that
means your jokes sucked Out of10 people.
I didn't bomb.
So I got to do a show threeyears in the comedy.
(07:40):
I got to do a show at theMaryway Pavilion was back then I
think it was called the NissanPavilion and it was, I guess,
like it feels like 13,000 or10,000 people or something like
that, and so, yeah, I was reallycrazy to go from open mics to
10,000 people and then when heget off stage, like I remember
Jim Norton went out of his wayto be really like, make me feel
(08:01):
comfortable and nice CarlosMancia, when he was really huge,
and then Louis CK, before hegot hot, hot, fucking Patrice
O'Neill just as he ascending,and Patrice was just nice to me.
For like two hours Patrice hasbeen just.
Patrice has had a like ahistory of being mean to people
and he was like nice to meMainly because I you know, I
(08:21):
looked at him as a God.
I was like I can't think of anigga.
I'm like sir, sir, sir, I'mlike I'm sitting around.
Prior, right now, I ain't gonnasay nothing negative.
Prior punched me in the face.
I look like I just priedsomething bad, but but no, he
was.
Yeah, saw him 2007.
And then I saw him 2008 for theMontreal Comedy Festival.
I was like motherfucker and Iwas.
That was when he became a Godto me.
(08:42):
And then 2009, I got to open upfor him randomly in Texas and I
remember in 2011, I remember hewas he was doing Caroline's and
I was like I'll catch him thenext weekend when he comes back
and I think he died after thatand I was like, fuck man, I
gotta stop doing that.
You gotta see the people, you,that are great when you can, man
.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, man, we got to.
Got to man Like.
I met one of my goats back inDecember.
I was doing I was sitting downat the first show.
He started doing crowd work andI said you know, he asked me
what I did for lunch.
I'm a comedian.
It was DL Hugley.
I was like fuck and he's likehe Hmm.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
What happened?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
He let me come on to the second show, which was sold
out, and do a guest spot.
Now, now meeting him, I'mintimidated.
I'm like yo.
I watched this guy from the HBOone night specials to the
Hugley show, the Kings of Comedy, to just.
I just watched Kentarian,probably like two months before
(09:48):
I even got to him and, yeah, Igot to do a guest spot.
I was supposed to do fiveminutes, I'm not gonna lie, but
I blacked out.
I was in the zone.
I did 15, 20.
Wow, and the score that wasshow.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Wow, and how was his emotional response to that?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
This is exactly what he did.
I see another sad baby boy.
I was like okay all right, youknow so I and Did you do your
entire set.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
What happened?
Why did you do 15 minutes?
I was supposed to do five and I, when you're mind, when you
were on that 15th joke, did youmake yourself.
Maybe I'm in a vlog.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, it was, I was.
I was like I think I've been uphere too long.
And then when I came off it waslike fuck, I just performed in
front of a King of Comedy and hedidn't trip about it.
He was like I understand, hewas like you were so good, like
his bodyguard, like you're sogood, and then, like all the
security would dapple me upafter.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Oh, okay, there you go.
That's fucking straight.
Usually my father's in angry asfuck.
You didn't tell me he was angry.
Okay, he was angry.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
He was.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
How many comics on that show?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
It was me, it was another local comedian, Kristen
Seville's and DL Hugley.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
You said local.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Local.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Oh, never mind.
How did local nigga do thefirst night?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Oh, the other one, it was Bodacious.
Bodacious actually had anemergency, so he's like a
hometown hero around herebecause he's from Norfolk.
So like he had something cameup and that's how I got the spot
.
But the other comedian thatcame after me, she did all right
but like I had a, I got astanding Oathomize and I was
unknowns.
When they said Rome Davis, theywas like hmm.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I mean you should probably edit out this part, but
that's actually good.
I didn't know the circumstance.
That's actually yeah, Ifmotherfuckers is dying, they
actually meet a good opener.
Oh, you got laughs.
Thank God, be funny.
Okay, Now this is more context.
I thought it sounded like aclub weekend.
You know what I mean?
It gave you a funny.
Oh, this is like a problem.
You solved this problem.
That's fucking gross.
That's actually a good herosituation, that is awesome that
(11:53):
is.
You do not want to lose a goodopener.
Fuck man, it's frustrating.
It's best with black people.
Oh, I said that's home, right,man Fucking hell yeah, man Fuck
yeah.
Fuck, keep rocking it like that.
That's how it works.
Like people think it takes 20years to be famous, no, I think
it takes about 20 years to begreat.
Doesn't take 20 years to befamous.
My only problem with that is Ididn't want to be famous and not
(12:15):
great.
I was like I didn't want to belike a nigga, like with a great
bunch of movies and suddenlycan't fucking go do an hour
stand up.
I don't understand that,because that means my values are
probably not in the right way.
You know, because, logically,you could write actually
sometimes you could write bettermaterial when you ain't hungry,
but sometimes you can't go live.
(12:38):
Also, tell my best work whenI'm like desperate.
I'm like like yo, I'm reallyfunny.
Right now I was because I needmoney.
Right now.
I need to fucking get checks, Idon't know.
Um, I don't know.
The right answer is this is funto live his life.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
It is Do you remember , like that first open mic, that
first your best mic and thenyour worst mic that you ever did
, do you remember those times?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
You asked four questions just right now.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
The first open mic, uh, my worst open mic and my
best open mic, I mean, uh, myworst open mic.
I mean I don't know.
Honestly, they're all I meanwhen they get better.
I don't know Like it's so badyou start to, at one point,
(13:23):
start to learn to love the badtoo, because it's like it's
almost like Lao Su's art of war.
Or it's like you know, we havean army and you have some
cowards.
Do you get rid of them or doyou use the cowards for other
shit that might be useful?
You know what I mean.
It's like do I need to hatethem?
I'm gonna be mad at this shittyroom with like three people and
(13:43):
the TV on.
Or is there some jokes and somethings I can work on right now
that I can need for a desperatesituation?
Because it's like and this is Ilike to work in thinking
parallels.
That's why I started fightingand even now I started
motorcycle.
Even the motorcycle training isall about awareness and
thinking, about practicing forthe worst case scenarios, and
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there are going to be timeswhere, like, there's not going
to be 13,000 people laughing.
This is going to be tuppled to,and you got to figure out
exactly what they want to talkabout, to get their attention,
because it ain't going to beabout you right now.
And you got to figure out howto find that thing.
Sometimes, because you have noidea, because you are way too
opposite people, how could werelate?
And, god damn it.
Sometimes you go up and relateAnother story.
This is a side note.
That's the difference between agood comic and a great.
(14:25):
Chris Rock, as we unarguablyagree, a great comic.
There was one award show, Iforgot which one.
It's the last five years.
It was pretty Will Smith,obviously, but he did the same
Will Smith level of shit.
Before Will Smith, there wasone show where he had he is a
writer, he likes to prepare, hemakes scripts, he is a fucking
workhorse at that, but and sohis teleprompter's are not
(14:47):
fucking around.
That's my jokes I'm working on.
There was this one show whenthe teleprompter went off and
they were live.
Well, a good comic wouldfucking tell the world oh, this
went off, what do we do?
Oh, my god, blah, blah, blah,blah.
A great comic makes thesituation work.
That's who you did.
I didn't work.
Well, who's here?
Who's here?
Yeah, we don't talk about thatnow.
(15:08):
I got a commercial, all right,what's next?
Like that's.
You know I'm saying that'senough of those worked and
prepared and like they practicedand like drilled and honed and
became a great artist.
You know it's, it's uh, I don'tknow that.
That's the shit that fascinatesme this age, like Jesus, like
oh, I can ramble about this shit.
There's this one Documentary onYouTube, if everybody could
check, called white stacks.
(15:29):
White stacks it was adocumentary that was supposed to
try to Counteract wheneverybody was doing that
Woodstock.
There was a woodstockdocumentary and everybody went
crazy.
Well, black people like theymade well, let's make a black
version of it called what stacks, and it was a concert they had
at the LA Coliseum in LA or theRose Bowl.
(15:51):
He was a Rose Bowl and they hadlike a bunch of great bands as
a case headlined it Staples, thestaple sisters, and that.
For that, the guys, man, theywere on stage.
I'm just.
This story is going on, but I'mtelling this point.
I think this dude was such agood he could I could, I just
respect MCs got on stage, he'sdoing his thing and everybody
was sick.
(16:11):
He was on the field,everybody's in the stands.
He's like I want everybody geton here, get on the field, get
on the field.
So suddenly, like 10,000 peopleare just slowly respectfully
getting on the field andrespectfully dancing.
And then somebody to thesecurity tells him a man, we
actually can't have them on thefield.
He's like, oh, oh shit, I'm abad.
Hey, y'all I got, we're gonnaget off the field.
(16:31):
We don't get off the field.
And then there's one dude whodidn't want to get up here.
He sat down and asked like Iwant it off.
Oh, we got a problem now.
And then he started doing.
He started fucking right, likejust doing the dozens on.
Like fucking long.
I'm a line line looking at youDrum start jumping in.
And then I get it.
Other people get thesemotherfuckers off.
And he just just to see a manwith art Control 10 to 20,000
(16:55):
people, this looks.
It's like, oh, you don't justthat nigga didn't learn that
that day that dude has been inplaces where niggas like
shotguns and fucking Deal withshit.
So the 10,000 people one shit Isee for kids ain't nothing you
gotta worry about a motherfucker.
Why did I get my money?
So no, I don't know.
I respect great artists andgreat professionals.
(17:17):
Yeah, I see that should happen.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, it's like the block part.
They should pose block party.
When you had the technicaldifficulties right there in the
movie Straight great artistsright there.
Because he was on the fly, hebrought in some crowd work.
He started bringing the guywith the Puppet because it was
raining out, so he was justgoing off the top and that's
that's great, that's a greatperformer right there.
(17:40):
That's that's crowd work.
That's the artistry of Actuallydrilling and being in those
crazy rooms.
Like I was in the room one timewith a Malcolm X had on and a
fucking Muhammad Ali shirt onand I'm thinking I'm in front of
a maga rally with all thesewhite folks and I had.
I thought I was gonna make itout there on a Tuesday.
I said whoa, good God, this wasthis restaurant called bad
(18:03):
habits.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I Was a black place.
No it was a white place badhabits, what kind of food they
serve.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Like a bar.
I don't remember the food.
I know they had something.
It was like cod fish, it wasspaghetti.
It was like Italian, you hadfish.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Why were you there?
Is that a comedy show?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, it was open mic .
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I'm telling you, man, comedy puts you in places.
This is why it's really hard tobe super ignorant.
If you do all the rooms, youjust start to get to know,
because you'll see the racismand I ain't saying it ain't
there you just start to.
I'm not forgiving it either.
You just start to see it soonerand deal with it sooner and go
like, well, let me avoid this,motherfucker.
You just see, I don't knowabout.
(18:45):
I've done deep Pennsylvania andI've just seen.
But I've also done deepArkansas and I'm like, oh, it's
okay, it's more racist north.
Okay, cuz normally is why shesay it some of the people
actually know what's wrong.
So go like you know, go aroundit.
No other people, just a lot ofproperty.
I don't know.
Um, but uh, now a really manand this is fun.
(19:05):
You know, the Saturday Iprobably should eat food.
Um, keep going.
What's the next question?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
So, in these 20 years of doing comedy, what have you
learned?
Like, what is that, that thingthat you've learned that you've
kept with you Going, going everytime you perform on the stage?
I Did.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
The biggest thing really is, uh, take care of
myself emotionally first beforeI get on, before I try to take
care of other people's emotions.
I used to get on stage allangry and shit and I didn't
really understand human beingsare, emotionally speaking, like
Takes about 15 minutes to changeperson's emotion.
Like if you're really angry,it's don't take about 15 minutes
(19:48):
.
You stop being angry if youactually are trying to be, if
you actually stop looking at theangry thing and actually
breathe, you know.
So that's why a lot of timeswhen you have anxiety for a
stage, kind of daughter need,give yourself at least 15
minutes to just Get yourself toa either a calm place or a fun
place.
But that Preparation time isthe most important.
(20:12):
Outside of the jokes and jump,the jokes will come if you
prepare.
But I think that's that'sthat's my biggest one right now.
Like, oh, support.
I used to know one of my likefamous people think that shit.
They're always in theirdressing rooms closed the doors
and it wouldn't.
Why are they being so diva asslike no, no, no, there's a thing
that happens.
(20:33):
You can't expect to controlother people's emotions when you
can't control yourself, likeI've said that twice now, but
that's like you're pissed off.
Would you to make other peoplelaugh?
What if I think that evendoesn't work?
Do you not know how emotionswork?
Oh, now some hours, mother shit.
Like great writers, greatscreenwriters, directors they
always say they're like you knowbeing writers, just writer.
(20:53):
A great psychologist, you're agreat Archaeologist, you're
great researcher.
You're like you're a multiplething sitting comedy to.
You're not just the greatsaren't just making fun of shit.
There's other things going on,like you.
Look at Carlin.
His word play wasn't just wordplay.
It was like playing on ourconsciousness of what our ideas
(21:15):
of what life was like, just withthese little word plays,
because our word, we build ourlife through our words.
This is my crib, this is myhome, it's my life.
No, they, we always do theworst.
It was like to break down thosewords and realize those meaning
really kind of always justbreaks down your foundation to
live it in life.
But also, patrice, so near that,the same thing, because it's
like you took this whole bigmyth and big archeological idea
(21:35):
of like I Mean, this is fuckingobviously 20 years before me to
fucking crazy.
But he was trying to takearound this idea, archeology
idea of trying to tell dudeslike me back then who was being
dominated by his girl To betreated this way, because that's
what I heard.
A lot of people heard the wholeMassagenistic shit and now a
lot of toxic dudes now use it toget attention.
(21:55):
And it's just funny because alot of people don't understand
when you hear toxic massively,like Andrew taking all them shit
.
If you take out the term womanand just put blank, every Group
hasn't person that says thatsame shit, like the actions are
the same, it's just the wordthat labels are different.
(22:16):
You know, all these niggas dothis.
All these I'm around.
I had that epiphany once I wasdoing a show in Boston and it
was like nine white comicsbefore me and they all did a
bunch of Polish jokes.
It was weird.
After the fifth comic thePolish jokes I was like this is
fucking weird, that this is athing y'all do.
And then eventually I startedclose my eyes and go, what if
it's replaced Polish with nigga?
(22:36):
And I was like, wait a minute,these jokes I can see that and I
was like wait a minute, lot ofstereotypes like that man.
They ain't really specific likethat, it's just fucking oh, how
I got that.
Tangent shit is weird.
But yeah, that's that'sinteresting to me.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Mm-hmm, it is, it is.
I see it is like I did a showwhere they literally talked
about jacking off the whole time.
I like, damn, like this is allwe do.
Nobody's getting no actualVagina, no, nothing.
I was like yo, this is, this istoo much.
(23:15):
It was too much at I actuallycame on the stage.
I was like I think I had toclinch my pearls a little bit
when I got on the stage.
I was like you know, I talkedthere's too much dick talk right
now Like whoo, and I know theywas happy when I went up there
because I don't talk about.
I Stay away from the, the, thebutt jokes that in the dick
jokes.
I tend to stay away from thatshit because I don't really
(23:38):
think I Mean you.
Could you go on the stage say,man, jack my dick off, or I
stuck a thumb up my butt andyou'll get a laugh.
But that's not really.
That's not the art.
You know, like I take a collect.
Well, I go to a safe space, aperformer safe space every
Thursday.
Well, we kind of break down allthe arts from comedy, poetry,
(23:58):
music, acting, and we start tobreak down the different things,
like, now that I've been, I'vebeen doing company four years,
two years in the pandemic.
I've watched specials afterspecials and a lot of times and
please don't take this any wrongway I like to watch it on mute,
like I watch your special onmute, in the way that you focus
on the crowd work, especiallywhen you hit the Donald Trump
(24:19):
tried to be racist.
He tried, he tried.
You was, you were making aconnection with that crowd in
front of MSG and they got whatyou were saying.
They.
They was like, oh, he's aboutto talk about Donald Trump, but
you took him for a spin like itwas a, it was a word, it was a
word playing the setup that Iactually appreciate the art of,
because I've been toprofessional shows before and
(24:41):
I've seen professional comedianslike Just just really have no,
no, no subject, no, no, callback, no setup, no, nothing, it
was just straight dick jokes.
Let me just do all crowd workfor an hour and people were
laughing here in Virginia and Ilaughed too.
But when I got back I was likeit was really nothing.
(25:01):
That that sizzled in my spiritfrom them and I was like, damn,
I'm really out of 50 bucks.
But but it is what it is.
You know, I want to see youperform one day, hopefully.
Oh yeah, I gotta set this tourthing up.
I'm gonna.
I think I'm gonna try to dosomething this fall.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I'm gonna do a bunch of small one-nighters and just
see like what's like.
Yeah, I got like.
Yeah, back to your referenceabout dick jokes.
I I find that like, yes, Irespect my father's who are
cleaning, don't talk about theydid, because they are actually
gonna make a lot more money inlife.
I'm proud of them and I'm like,yeah, keep working on it.
(25:40):
I know, for me, since myhardest laughs in life usually
ended up being dick jokes, Ikind of like can't let it go.
You know means like what else.
I I can still always referencelike oh, that job.
I Can still always referencelike oh, that job, like, but
it's a child to send me like I'mone time and this is really
really bad, but we used to haveto sing along since sixth grade
(26:03):
I just sing along every week.
It was boring, it got reallyannoying, you know proud Then
one time we were doing the.
Aladdin song, I can show you theworld.
And then I remember here somedudes laughing.
What are y'all laughing about?
It's like replace the wordworld with dick Shammer and
(26:33):
Shammer, tell me, princess.
And I don't know, it's thisgreat.
I just love that shit.
And so, yeah, I'm still a sixthgrader but I'm also sometimes
got to talk about Trump and saysome smart shit and it's like
that kind of I Don't know, justposition made me giggle for that
special.
You know, it's really.
You know, because also we'reall animals, we really only care
(26:55):
about food, sex safety, familyand love.
And Once you don't break thosethings down and always boils
down, that's the driving force.
It kind of keeps things andthen, you know, things get very
intellectual in our minds, butthe intellect always is
connected to our animal.
That were animals acting likewe know we're doing the.
It's kind of yeah, yeah, that'sa nice way to say it.
(27:23):
That's supposed to say this isthe whole evil world with idiots
.
Now we're just animals tryingto figure it out.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
That's true.
How is it working with JohnMulaney?
Because I had him like Seventhman on the bench.
To be honest with you, I isworking with baby JI mean he's
um, I think he's a genius.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
For me he helped out a lot of flaws that I did not
notice.
I think, like comedy is anapprentice ship.
I think the best comics Openedup for really great comics and
the shift happened for them too.
So I think, like in my opinionthere's a lot of comics who
figured out themselves right.
But Like being with him for twoyears I got to be like oh, like
(28:08):
it's the little little things Iwasn't even noticing.
That was just just a tight, andthe whole shit up Made me a lot
more confident and a lot morefun.
And being around celebrities isfun as well.
It's like, oh shit, this famousmotherfucker.
See, like that Malala woman whowon the Nobel Prize, she came
and did backstage say hello,just that shit, you know you
spell John Stuart.
(28:29):
And then her, you're like fuck,I ain't fucking force gunk land
.
Yeah, man, I watched baby J.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
And then, like I said , got into a spin or watching
the Milani show and you playedmotif Sparring comedian and that
was.
I was like that's real shitright there, because we go
through those things, we got aright.
Did we ask people how does thissound?
Or you trying to come up with aset, or you may get stuck on
the joke.
(29:01):
I'm stuck on a joke right now.
That's kicking my ass and Idon't want to give it up because
it's so good in my mind, butwe'll work on it.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, no, jokes are awesome.
Like that man, they're justseeds got a water.
Keep coming back to, especiallyif you say it out loud to
yourself.
Just keep saying it out loud.
I mean also, I'm a nerd.
So there's also a lot of bookson how to help you expand on
your thing.
They always introduce you tothe main four introductory books
(29:31):
.
You know Judy Carter.
I think Judy Carter is a veryincomplete a picture of a book.
I may help a lot of people getthem started, but I don't know.
There's so much more deeperthings to consider, especially
if you want to get better.
I mean, there's a lot ofcomments that kind of start to
learn on the fly, but I'm notone of them.
(29:52):
I need to like do it.
I need to see what I did.
I need to study othermotherfuckers, I need to be a
nerd about it.
That's why I'm noticing.
I'm like again, do another arts.
Once you see other arts, youhave to see how you excel.
Like once I started fighting, Iwas like, oh, this is how I
learned, and then, like, my egowas getting away with a lot of
comedy shit, like, comedy, shit.
I'd be like man, motherfuckers.
I want to stay at what I'mdoing because I'm deep in shit.
(30:13):
And then every time I gotcriticism in comedy, that's how
I reacted.
But then when I startedfighting, anytime anybody gave
me criticism, it was because Iwas getting punched in the face.
I realized, oh, they're tryingto help me not get punched in
the face and that kind ofstarted letting me like open
more to criticism and like, ohokay, well, how are you trying
to help me not get punched inthe face now in comedy?
(30:34):
Okay, okay, I can see whatyou're saying.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
So, yeah, yeah, that's why I go to that class on
Thursday, man, I need thecriticism to see where I'm at.
Then it gives me a chance tonetwork where the creators as
well too.
So, but, like the way me andJames Cooper were talking about
your stand up, cause I'm like,bro, you got to hear this guy
man, he's like man.
I've been watching Mexican Godon Boots.
(30:59):
I'm like, okay, that's cool andhe's a great comedian, but
listen to Seton Smith.
So I send him your clip.
He was like, yeah, okay, I seewhat you're trying to go at.
My question is to you what's upwith the suits?
Is that like the style?
That's the like cause you camewith the suits.
Like I said, it's a clean look.
It was like smooth jazz, bro.
(31:20):
It was like this shit is jeans.
It cleaned up the look Likecause that was fun.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
It was fun.
Just cause it was, I'm a Laniaswearing suit.
As you know, it was an accident.
We were doing a show at the RedRocks in Colorado and the Cad
Rocks is like an amazingprobably the best venue to meet
in the country, because it's inthe desert and it's an outside,
it's an amphitheater and it'scut literally out of rocks.
(31:48):
So it's like they found a rock,cut the seats, cut the stage,
cut the walls and then you cango like see the Denver skyline
but also watch the show.
It's one of the most beautifulplaces and they have the big
screens and stuff.
So we were doing the show on anEaster Sunday and we had a 3 pm
show and a 7 pm show andsomebody was suggesting hey,
(32:11):
it's Easter Sunday, why don't weall just wear suits for Easter
Sunday?
And yeah, we did the show.
And that was when Chappelle camethe first time and I remember
he had a waiting line because itwas just such a big place and
small ways to get in.
He had a wait line anyway, likeeverybody else, so he had to
sit through my set and I thinkhe's known for years and never
(32:32):
had to sit through my set.
Oh no, I was one of thosethings where you know busy so
you have to, you know.
But when you're two big megascreens in front of you, know
13,000 people and you're in line, you might as well look up.
And I think it was a and helooked.
He's like, yeah, you lookawesome up there.
He was really funny, he lookedgreat.
I don't know.
That compliment was like wewere on one of the 10th
compliments that day and I waslike, well, chappelle, things
(32:53):
look great.
I'm wearing these suits.
So suits are fun and you knowthat was just fun.
And yeah, yeah.
It's interesting, though, too,because I thought if I wore the
suits, people would stopcomparing me to Chappelle as
much.
And then that didn't happen atall, and so I was like all right
, well, let that shit go and Ican do about that Cause.
(33:16):
Like me and Chappelle, we bothhave professor parents, both
started comedy in DC, bothadmire the fuck out of Tony
Woods.
So you know what are you gonnado?
I don't know what I'm gonna do.
I admire a bunch of otherpeople that love Tony Woods the
fuck.
Tony Woods is one of the bestgeniuses of my time, you know.
I think he's one of the bestever.
Um so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I saw Tony Woods last summer at the funny bone and I
remembered him from Bad Boys, acomedy, so wow.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
He just collected some amazing sets on TV Like
he's just yeah, it's a brilliant, brilliant dude.
Yeah, I thought he wanted.
My first time I got to see himhe was in a fucking sushi
restaurant had open mic in DCand I remember he was 17 years
of comedy at that point.
I asked him such an ignorantquestion.
I was like how much time do youthink you have?
At this point I was like doingcomedy 17 years, Hours and hours
(34:08):
, not in my face.
It was a geeky question but Iwas like oh wow.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I know and just to see him from what?
Bad Boys, a comedy.
And then I suck, man, I forgotto set, but I remember the joke.
He was like man you ever go toyour job and say, man, fuck this
job, I forgot.
I forgot where he was at, but Iwatched his sets.
I've listened to him a lot andthat was like I got another
(34:41):
homie.
That's a story to him.
I'm like bro, you got to watchhim Like his story is very
descriptive, it's not too much,it's just like the right punch.
Like this man spent a whole sixminutes on Bad Boys and coming
to talk about his trip that youmake to go into the islands and
I say, if you watch my, if youwatch Seaton Smith, like you got
to watch his wordplay in hiscallbacks, it's like I say like
(35:04):
a carlin somewhat, but I saythat.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
You ever carlin?
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
It was like it was like a carlin.
I was like this is great.
But I do appreciate everythingLike give me this interview
because I had.
I was in Connecticut for acompetition, I was doing some
trials for AGT, I was doing alot of stuff and I appreciate
the interview.
I was telling everybody I gotthis guy even before today.
(35:32):
I got this guy man, he sold outMSG.
This is Seaton Smith man.
I got to get him on this showbecause he's, like I said you,
my six man coming off the bench.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
So that's very nice to say.
I didn't know I didn't sell outthat was open.
One day I'm not going to theuniverse yes, one day I will
sell out MSG, but that wasdefinitely his show.
It was dope, though, because Iremember I seen Louis CK Open up
for a rickshaw base and thenLouis CK the MSG, so you kind of
go like all right, let's see ifwe can get that going.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
See, that's what I'm talking about.
Man, is there, is there anyadvice that you want to give to
those comedians in the game, oranything you want to say to them
for them to keep going or find,you know, find that lane in
this comedy work, because it's alot, it's a, it's a, it's a
good path.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I mean, art and business are two different
crafts, so appreciate it.
I like, um, what is it?
What advice?
I think the advice the otherone was just get your emotions
right.
I mean, really, comedy is anawesome ass tool to actually
help you emotionally.
It's a few.
It's interesting.
(36:44):
I got into hypnotherapy and Igot like understanding how it
come by, where it came from, theroots of it all and realizing
techniques and hypnotherapy wereimplemented in the theater arts
in the 50s, so a lot of theemotional product.
(37:06):
Let me be more.
Let me use better words to bemore clear.
So you ever see motherfuckersdo improv?
Yeah.
You ever see how they're, like,really passionate about improv
yeah, that's hypnosis at itsbest.
They're doing group hypnosisexercises as posing as fun games
and they are fun and they aregames, but they also were taken
from medical situations to helppeople deal with trauma and a
(37:30):
lot of our own comedy basedthings we do in stand-up.
What we've learned do come fromthat.
We just don't know it.
It's just one of those like oh,fuck, like, yeah, man, once you
I don't know if you ever takecommunications and realize this
isn't even a period on shit.
This is basically marketing.
Marketing understands how toactually go talk to that animal
(37:51):
aside of you to make you buyshit.
You know what I mean.
And they actually weaponized it, while we're artists and we
just wanna just be, we just wantattention, while marketers know
what we're doing and actuallyuse it for something.
Kevin Hart actually knows it.
That's why he's a billionaire.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
But a lot of us are just slow down man, hey, hey,
I'm probably.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
This is why I speak for young comics.
I understand the big scope ofit all.
Like you know what I mean.
Like you are a businessman,just you know this could be a
fun business, so you know howfun would it be.
Nobody's gonna give it to you.
Don't forget that there's nogiving in this business, but I
don't think nobody thinks thatno more.
I was in the transition fromlike I think I was talking to
(38:31):
Hannibal Burris about that.
I think Hannibal was like Ithink he would have been the
last motherfucking of who wasjust giving shit, Cause there
was a time when motherfuckingwas just.
If you just worked the businessmodel before 2013, or even 2010,
.
What my business it was a solidbusiness with no comedy was be
funny.
Go to the right clubs, you'll.
Somebody will see you, you'llget picked up.
(38:53):
That was the funny, and I evengot picked up by Asians.
It's from that formula, butthen that was a legit formula,
but now that's not a formula atall.
Like you are not going to begiven nothing, you have to bring
value, and then then it's crazy.
So that's what I'm.
That's all I can say.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, man, if you guys do get a chance those
that's listening to watchingjust type in Seaton Smith on
YouTube.
I promise you will not bedisappointed.
My podcast is called NoID.
This is the eighth season.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
When's this coming out?
When's this coming out?
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Shit.
I'll make you the season finale, so 19.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Okay, well, this by then I got my special is going
to be it was.
The album is going to bereleased by 800 pound gorilla
and they're going to bereleasing a special on their
page, which has millions offollowers.
So you know, either check mypage out or check out his page,
where it's going to be a niceblow up.
So this fall may see a lot more.
It's nice.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, I follow 800 pound gorilla actually.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
My mouth will be having this fall.
Man, I'm really excited forthat.
It's going to be cool.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I'm excited for you, brother.
I run and see.
I know I'm going to see greatthings.
I already see great things.
But thanks, man, thank you, youknow what I mean.
I'm just giving you flowers,brother.
So I think everybody deservesthe white on this earth.
You can follow.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Thank you, you do.
You're absolutely right.
Everybody forgets, no matterwhere you're at, you forget Like
what the fuck you be like.
I remember I told a friend hey,I released a special six months
ago.
Yeah, I know I'm like, oh, Ididn't.
I literally don't know who ispaying attention.
I'm going to be acting like awhite here.
You know what I mean.
Like I literally was on tworadio shows actually earlier
this week and I just said, yes,you know, after the special they
(40:43):
were, you got a special.
I was like, how did y'allinvite me on?
You don't even know, they werejust nice people.
And I was like, okay, so thosetwo-screen people don't know.
But it's also like weird howyou never done.
Oh, so so thank you, brother, Iappreciate it, man.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Thank you.
Make sure you look up SeatonSmith on all platforms, man, and
check out the comedy I won'tcheck out live from MSG on
YouTube.
Check out some of his earlierwork.
Follow me, comedian Rome.
Follow the podcast, noid, onall platforms.
If you looking on social media,noid Media TV, not only will
(41:17):
you get podcast, but you'll getstand up comedy as well too.
I post a lot of my clips upthere as well too, so we're
trying to make it.
We're still in the mama'sbasement right now, so we're
trying to make it.
Appreciate you, brother.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
I like this.
This is fun.
I should do this.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
You should do this more often, brother, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
If I just talk to my friend.
I'm bored of him.
I just face time for himrandomly.
I should be doing this.
I just didn't know You're on mypodcast and they go up.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I just don't know, hey man, you're golden eyes man.
I definitely, like I said, sixmen coming off the bench.
Man, that's dead or alive.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
So Nah, man, that makes me really, that makes me
really, really, really nice tojust say I'm a yeah, really,
really, really, really nice.
I'm not, to be honest, Iactually don't want to be the
greatest, because we kind ofdon't grow after that.
You kind of just kind of sitaround in your own stew and be
that.
I'm like nah, I just want tokeep getting.
I like the idea of like, eventhough nobody really wants to
talk about this man, there's no,he's very pariah.
(42:21):
But Cosby, Stop growing.
That last special he did.
He could not.
You can objectively say it'smuch better than himself.
Like every line of it.
It was his performance, hisstructure.
I loved it much more thanhimself.
Oh, in my opinion, and you gooh, wow, I can't believe it.
Fucking late seventies, thisdude still, because I saw Don
(42:43):
Rickles right before he died.
He was still sharp, but it'sstill his old shit.
So it's like huh interesting.
So, anyways, I'm yeah, keepgrowing until you die.
It's kind of my old thing.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, definitely Hell yeah brother.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yeah, Well, you know what I was committing crimes and
shit.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah, don't, I don't know.
I think people sleep on cars bea lot too man.
They don't realize like theshows, the movies and even his
timing and like Uptown Saturdaynight, that's like one of my
favorite movies and I was.
I fell in love with him.
And then people don't realize,like even in his later career,
if we just talk to television,cosby in my opinion was better
(43:25):
than Cosby show.
That's when he was helpingJacobs the retired baggage
handler.
That was a great fucking.
That was a great fucking show.
That was a great fucking show.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Really, that was your argument.
You thought it was betterInteresting.
Oh, you know, I think it was adifferent time and that's
probably was emotionally.
I know that their window oftime they got off the Cosby show
oh shit, my shit getting low,but I just don't get nerdy.
But the Cosby show, I thinkwe're a lot, a lot on the
cultural references, you knowwhat I mean.
(43:56):
Like if you ever do a comedyshow where you'll see a comic,
we'll just start pandering tothe crowd.
That's what I'm talking about.
All these beautiful black womenin this crowd right now.
You're a nothing but beautifulblack, just a glass of yourself.
Beautiful, like he would doshit like that.
It would be like Jacob Lawrencepainting.
Let's talk about that for anentire episode, or, like you
know, this is black.
Like your favorite memories ofthat show is not necessarily
(44:16):
funny, except for, like, whenElton was doing the impression
of Cosby.
That was a funny moment.
But the big moments was whenthey did the Ray Charles song.
That's the shit.
We were like, oh, referenceupon reference upon reference.
And then the Cosby was justhard jokes.
So I was like I was in adifferent place emotionally.
This is like because I wasearly, 89 was like, oh my God,
(44:39):
black on TV, and then we hadthat crazy blackest motion.
And then by the late 90s we gotfucking dirty and raw and the
culture and mood on, because wewere from like once we had death
jam, it's like we startedlosing my fuck.
It was like a weird channel,because that's when black rooms
started to get super, superraunchy.
And then it was like, well, nowyou only have a certain dynamic
(45:01):
market that can listen to you.
It's like once you go superraunch, you can't go broad.
Now we're getting specific inbusiness and shit.
And then we're like I don'tknow, I'm going to be obviously
whatever.
Now I'm just rambling.
Yo, thank you for thisinterview.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
This has been dope man, appreciate you even doing
the interview, man, and yeah,I'm definitely looking forward
to the album coming out.
I definitely look forward tothe album coming out.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Thank you very much, man.
Yeah, I was really interestedin getting to doing the arena
laughter with the situation.
I don't know.
I think I'm actually moreexcited to listen to the album
because I got like two differentsound people in the arena and I
got this movie guy and I wantedhim.
I just wanted to get the soundof people walking in.
You hear his like literallyfootsteps.
It's like such a delicatefucking thing.
(45:46):
Just because it was like Iwanted him.
I wanted him because theproblem with arena sounds.
You don't hear how crazy it is.
It's fucking.
You've got to understand whatit's like to have $13,000 people
in one room.
It's fucking.
It's like it's just overstimulation, anyways.
So anyways, yeah, watch it,enjoy it, comment, share it
everybody, friends.
And yeah, man, watch out for mynew shit when I got a tour
(46:07):
coming.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Hell yeah, man.
Hopefully you come throughVirginia brother, so I look
forward to it.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Absolutely, man, definitely going to do this East
Coast run this fall, hell yeah.
My man appreciate you, brotherAll right brother, All right
Peace, man Peace.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to a brand new
episode of no ID podcast.
I got a somebody here and I'm Itold him earlier, is in my top
10.
He's coming off the bench.
He did a sold out show atMadison Square Garden.
Some of us, this 30 and over,can remember him being motif on
the Malaney show.
He's been on Comedy Central.
(00:23):
He's all across the board.
I kind of consider him like asmooth jazz type that.
I've seen him do some martialarts on his Instagram, choking
out motherfuckers.
I've seen him do some greatthings, and one and only the
great, seaton Smith.
How are you doing today,brother?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Thanks, man Coming off the bench, I don't mind that
so much.
Let me think about some goodbench buffers.
I mean, let's see there was awas it Cooper off of the Lakers.
That's the most shit rightthere.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I'm blue wheels and it wasn't.
It wasn't BJP.
Now, it was a fuck the car.
Come off the bench.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
They did come off the bench.
Robert Warwick came off thebench.
Robert Warwick got seven rings.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Robert Warwick came off the bench but he was started
with the Lakers.
Oh, fuck man, I'm not gonna bethinking about this Good six man
who I used to love.
Fuck, that's six man ever.
Who is that?
I know I'm a dude, I'm a waternigga.
Is he still a six man?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Who is?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
it A dollar, wasn't a six man for one of them?
One of them teams.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, he was a six man for the.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
What was the?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
state.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, go straight for for the Durant, for the Durant
era.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
The Durant yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Anyways, you know I don't mind the six man, so I'm
trying to say go ahead Now.
There's a lot of dudes I reallyrespect.
I wouldn't put people to liveright now, I would not put
myself like something like that.
All right, what are you goingto do?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Hey, man, I told you earlier, I told the comedy homes
because after every openMichael, everything, every
showcase, we actually just sitaround just like yo.
Did you see this special?
Did you see this comedian?
Did you see this one?
I was like bro, like I cameacross seeing Smith on Instagram
I think it was a comics unseenpage I was like I just got into
like a whirlwind of digging moreand more into your craft and
(02:09):
your art.
So I actually appreciate itbecause, like I said, it's like
a smooth jazz type thing.
It's like it's a vibe you haveturned.
Your comedy is like a naturalconversation with a smooth.
You know where to pick it upand just keep it there at that
level.
It's just like you're taking usfor a ride, for the full set.
(02:30):
So I respect it.
It's not a lot of comediansregardless of their one or two
years in the game or even 20years in the game, they could
really do this and I've seen alot of comedy in my time.
So I got you in my top 10.
Like six minutes, like you'relike Lou Williams, like three
time Envy, like three time evena former, also like Jamal
(02:50):
Crawford.
It's like you're right there,like it's in my greats like
Eddie Murphy, richard Pryor Ieven got Jerry Sanfield in there
Bernie Mac.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Oh, I didn't know it was all the time I thought it
was alive working today.
Oh yeah, a lot of real shit.
I mean alive.
That's fucking really reallynice.
It's just like I'm hoping totake.
Yeah, that half hour was a fun,good energy.
I'm hoping the next one afterthe hour.
Yeah, I'm going to take it to anew level.
There's a yeah man, there was anew energy.
I started noticing I used to bereally a lot more spastic and
(03:26):
then I just, I don't know, I gotobsessed with just like there
is something else going on here,connection wise, I kind of want
to see it also in my life.
I just started going on deepertopics and I just found that
going at the deeper topics withsuch a harsh tone was just
didn't feel good.
It felt good to like kind ofeasily.
(03:46):
I mean, I can yell aboutgetting beat and it could be
funny for a second, but then youcan really quietly talk about
it for about 10, 15 minutes.
You really just wear a realflag, oh shit, and I don't know
like, but you still need to bejust seem like.
I guess I don't know His shitwas like, he shit was in that
world and I was like, how can Iget there and still maintain
(04:08):
time?
It's like, yeah, that flow,shit to me is real beautiful.
To me, it's just like, once youget to that world, it's just,
that's my favorite.
That's all I remember one timeit was awesome, 930 Club in
Washington DC Years ago, paulMooney, when he got hot after
the show, so maybe it was before2000.
Shit, maybe 2004, 2005.
Him, and then, randomly, dickGregory was like, yeah, I want
(04:29):
to open up for you.
It was fucking weird.
Fuck, these two greats decidedto do a show together.
It was amazing and it was right.
When he was, they were all andso they were just, everybody was
in the edge, they see, and Iremember people just yelling out
to Paul to talk about anything,talk about the white guy Did
that.
He would just sit there andpause and everybody's edge, they
see, just waiting, waiting forhis words.
And I was like, and he wasn'tdoing nothing to get them all,
(04:52):
he wasn't like, he was just likebeing profound and efficient
and just, I don't know, man, Isee greats like that.
You go.
Ok, that's what I got to do oneday.
I got to be great, you got totry.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You do got to try, man.
Like I saw Dick Gregory performa few times, like I saw him do
the Martin Lawrence first standup, and it was.
It was like who is this?
And, of course, like I said,social media and the Internet
just brings you more into it,you know.
And then my pops.
I remember he was a track star,he was a turn off, a state up.
I'm like what, patrice, patrice.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Boy, boy, boy, boy, boy, boy, boy, boy boy.
Dick Gregory let's talk abouthim for one second.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I thought about he was crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
His life was crazy.
He went from a track star to afat man, to a vegan, to a pro,
an awesome ass comic, and thensomething else.
And then, like I saw him comeback, he actually did like a
weekend at the, at a club whenthe Martin Luther King statue
was opened and he, like he, didan easy three hours in his life
(05:50):
Late 70s, early 80s.
At that point, easy three hours.
I only stayed for about 45, 50minutes of it, just because I
get antsy.
I can't.
As a comic, comments are reallygood at sitting down there.
We got to walk around, we gotto talk to the waitress, we got
to go talk some shit.
Come back in.
But he was a genius, it's justI don't know.
(06:10):
Dude, yeah, and back to you, wecan go.
And, patrice, right now if youwant.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Patrice.
Patrice, I was Comedy Centralbecause I think around one
o'clock at night on FridaysComedy Central just went
unscripted.
So that's when I came acrossPatrice and then I had found out
he was writing for WWF.
He wrote the sexual chocolateMark Henry and then I saw the
(06:34):
sit down.
When he did he was with Bobsecond and Roseanne.
He started breaking down likehow to work rooms and have
listen to Kevin Hart and what he, him and Kevin Hart was doing
and just how great of a comedianhe was.
Like this is.
Yeah, it was amazing man.
I just I got sucked in so likeseeing his stand up and seeing
how he performed.
(06:55):
I was like damn.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, there was something happening around 2007
for me cause Dan Sluy and BillBurr.
They were kind of like if youthink of like comedy as kung fu
schools.
They figured out comedy fromthe seller in a way that's like
they were the same comic, notlike in a hacky ugly, what would
be like a really like organicapproach.
They both, they all three havethe same approach and they all
(07:20):
in their own distinct patterns.
But like I got to open up forhim randomly when I got to do
the opening Anthony travelingvirus tour, I won a contest in
2007 and I won car crash comedy.
We got to tell jokes and ifthey played a car crash that
means your jokes sucked Out of10 people.
I didn't bomb.
So I got to do a show threeyears in the comedy.
(07:40):
I got to do a show at theMaryway Pavilion was back then I
think it was called the NissanPavilion and it was, I guess,
like it feels like 13,000 or10,000 people or something like
that, and so, yeah, I was reallycrazy to go from open mics to
10,000 people and then when heget off stage, like I remember
Jim Norton went out of his wayto be really like, make me feel
(08:01):
comfortable and nice CarlosMancia, when he was really huge,
and then Louis CK, before hegot hot, hot, fucking Patrice
O'Neill just as he ascending,and Patrice was just nice to me.
For like two hours Patrice hasbeen just.
Patrice has had a like ahistory of being mean to people
and he was like nice to meMainly because I you know, I
(08:21):
looked at him as a God.
I was like I can't think of anigga.
I'm like sir, sir, sir, I'mlike I'm sitting around.
Prior, right now, I ain't gonnasay nothing negative.
Prior punched me in the face.
I look like I just priedsomething bad, but but no, he
was.
Yeah, saw him 2007.
And then I saw him 2008 for theMontreal Comedy Festival.
I was like motherfucker and Iwas.
That was when he became a Godto me.
(08:42):
And then 2009, I got to open upfor him randomly in Texas and I
remember in 2011, I remember hewas he was doing Caroline's and
I was like I'll catch him thenext weekend when he comes back
and I think he died after thatand I was like, fuck man, I
gotta stop doing that.
You gotta see the people, you,that are great when you can, man
.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, man, we got to.
Got to man Like.
I met one of my goats back inDecember.
I was doing I was sitting downat the first show.
He started doing crowd work andI said you know, he asked me
what I did for lunch.
I'm a comedian.
It was DL Hugley.
I was like fuck and he's likehe Hmm.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
What happened?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
He let me come on to the second show, which was sold
out, and do a guest spot.
Now, now meeting him, I'mintimidated.
I'm like yo.
I watched this guy from the HBOone night specials to the
Hugley show, the Kings of Comedy, to just.
I just watched Kentarian,probably like two months before
(09:48):
I even got to him and, yeah, Igot to do a guest spot.
I was supposed to do fiveminutes, I'm not gonna lie, but
I blacked out.
I was in the zone.
I did 15, 20.
Wow, and the score that wasshow.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Wow, and how was his emotional response to that?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
This is exactly what he did.
I see another sad baby boy.
I was like okay all right, youknow so I and Did you do your
entire set.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
What happened?
Why did you do 15 minutes?
I was supposed to do five and I, when you're mind, when you
were on that 15th joke, did youmake yourself.
Maybe I'm in a vlog.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, it was, I was.
I was like I think I've been uphere too long.
And then when I came off it waslike fuck, I just performed in
front of a King of Comedy and hedidn't trip about it.
He was like I understand, hewas like you were so good, like
his bodyguard, like you're sogood, and then, like all the
security would dapple me upafter.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Oh, okay, there you go.
That's fucking straight.
Usually my father's in angry asfuck.
You didn't tell me he was angry.
Okay, he was angry.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
He was.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
How many comics on that show?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
It was me, it was another local comedian, Kristen
Seville's and DL Hugley.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
You said local.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Local.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Oh, never mind.
How did local nigga do thefirst night?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Oh, the other one, it was Bodacious.
Bodacious actually had anemergency, so he's like a
hometown hero around herebecause he's from Norfolk.
So like he had something cameup and that's how I got the spot
.
But the other comedian thatcame after me, she did all right
but like I had a, I got astanding Oathomize and I was
unknowns.
When they said Rome Davis, theywas like hmm.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I mean you should probably edit out this part, but
that's actually good.
I didn't know the circumstance.
That's actually yeah, Ifmotherfuckers is dying, they
actually meet a good opener.
Oh, you got laughs.
Thank God, be funny.
Okay, Now this is more context.
I thought it sounded like aclub weekend.
You know what I mean?
It gave you a funny.
Oh, this is like a problem.
You solved this problem.
That's fucking gross.
That's actually a good herosituation, that is awesome that
(11:53):
is.
You do not want to lose a goodopener.
Fuck man, it's frustrating.
It's best with black people.
Oh, I said that's home, right,man Fucking hell yeah, man Fuck
yeah.
Fuck, keep rocking it like that.
That's how it works.
Like people think it takes 20years to be famous, no, I think
it takes about 20 years to begreat.
Doesn't take 20 years to befamous.
My only problem with that is Ididn't want to be famous and not
(12:15):
great.
I was like I didn't want to belike a nigga, like with a great
bunch of movies and suddenlycan't fucking go do an hour
stand up.
I don't understand that,because that means my values are
probably not in the right way.
You know, because, logically,you could write actually
sometimes you could write bettermaterial when you ain't hungry,
but sometimes you can't go live.
(12:38):
Also, tell my best work whenI'm like desperate.
I'm like like yo, I'm reallyfunny.
Right now I was because I needmoney.
Right now.
I need to fucking get checks, Idon't know.
Um, I don't know.
The right answer is this is funto live his life.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
It is Do you remember , like that first open mic, that
first your best mic and thenyour worst mic that you ever did
, do you remember those times?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
You asked four questions just right now.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
The first open mic, uh, my worst open mic and my
best open mic, I mean, uh, myworst open mic.
I mean I don't know.
Honestly, they're all I meanwhen they get better.
I don't know Like it's so badyou start to, at one point,
(13:23):
start to learn to love the badtoo, because it's like it's
almost like Lao Su's art of war.
Or it's like you know, we havean army and you have some
cowards.
Do you get rid of them or doyou use the cowards for other
shit that might be useful?
You know what I mean.
It's like do I need to hatethem?
I'm gonna be mad at this shittyroom with like three people and
(13:43):
the TV on.
Or is there some jokes and somethings I can work on right now
that I can need for a desperatesituation?
Because it's like and this is Ilike to work in thinking
parallels.
That's why I started fightingand even now I started
motorcycle.
Even the motorcycle training isall about awareness and
thinking, about practicing forthe worst case scenarios, and
(14:03):
there are going to be timeswhere, like, there's not going
to be 13,000 people laughing.
This is going to be tuppled to,and you got to figure out
exactly what they want to talkabout, to get their attention,
because it ain't going to beabout you right now.
And you got to figure out howto find that thing.
Sometimes, because you have noidea, because you are way too
opposite people, how could werelate?
And, god damn it.
Sometimes you go up and relateAnother story.
This is a side note.
That's the difference between agood comic and a great.
(14:25):
Chris Rock, as we unarguablyagree, a great comic.
There was one award show, Iforgot which one.
It's the last five years.
It was pretty Will Smith,obviously, but he did the same
Will Smith level of shit.
Before Will Smith, there wasone show where he had he is a
writer, he likes to prepare, hemakes scripts, he is a fucking
workhorse at that, but and sohis teleprompter's are not
(14:47):
fucking around.
That's my jokes I'm working on.
There was this one show whenthe teleprompter went off and
they were live.
Well, a good comic wouldfucking tell the world oh, this
went off, what do we do?
Oh, my god, blah, blah, blah,blah.
A great comic makes thesituation work.
That's who you did.
I didn't work.
Well, who's here?
Who's here?
Yeah, we don't talk about thatnow.
(15:08):
I got a commercial, all right,what's next?
Like that's.
You know I'm saying that'senough of those worked and
prepared and like they practicedand like drilled and honed and
became a great artist.
You know it's, it's uh, I don'tknow that.
That's the shit that fascinatesme this age, like Jesus, like
oh, I can ramble about this shit.
There's this one Documentary onYouTube, if everybody could
check, called white stacks.
(15:29):
White stacks it was adocumentary that was supposed to
try to Counteract wheneverybody was doing that
Woodstock.
There was a woodstockdocumentary and everybody went
crazy.
Well, black people like theymade well, let's make a black
version of it called what stacks, and it was a concert they had
at the LA Coliseum in LA or theRose Bowl.
(15:51):
He was a Rose Bowl and they hadlike a bunch of great bands as
a case headlined it Staples, thestaple sisters, and that.
For that, the guys, man, theywere on stage.
I'm just.
This story is going on, but I'mtelling this point.
I think this dude was such agood he could I could, I just
respect MCs got on stage, he'sdoing his thing and everybody
was sick.
(16:11):
He was on the field,everybody's in the stands.
He's like I want everybody geton here, get on the field, get
on the field.
So suddenly, like 10,000 peopleare just slowly respectfully
getting on the field andrespectfully dancing.
And then somebody to thesecurity tells him a man, we
actually can't have them on thefield.
He's like, oh, oh shit, I'm abad.
Hey, y'all I got, we're gonnaget off the field.
(16:31):
We don't get off the field.
And then there's one dude whodidn't want to get up here.
He sat down and asked like Iwant it off.
Oh, we got a problem now.
And then he started doing.
He started fucking right, likejust doing the dozens on.
Like fucking long.
I'm a line line looking at youDrum start jumping in.
And then I get it.
Other people get thesemotherfuckers off.
And he just just to see a manwith art Control 10 to 20,000
(16:55):
people, this looks.
It's like, oh, you don't justthat nigga didn't learn that
that day that dude has been inplaces where niggas like
shotguns and fucking Deal withshit.
So the 10,000 people one shit Isee for kids ain't nothing you
gotta worry about a motherfucker.
Why did I get my money?
So no, I don't know.
I respect great artists andgreat professionals.
(17:17):
Yeah, I see that should happen.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, it's like the block part.
They should pose block party.
When you had the technicaldifficulties right there in the
movie Straight great artistsright there.
Because he was on the fly, hebrought in some crowd work.
He started bringing the guywith the Puppet because it was
raining out, so he was justgoing off the top and that's
that's great, that's a greatperformer right there.
(17:40):
That's that's crowd work.
That's the artistry of Actuallydrilling and being in those
crazy rooms.
Like I was in the room one timewith a Malcolm X had on and a
fucking Muhammad Ali shirt onand I'm thinking I'm in front of
a maga rally with all thesewhite folks and I had.
I thought I was gonna make itout there on a Tuesday.
I said whoa, good God, this wasthis restaurant called bad
(18:03):
habits.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I Was a black place.
No it was a white place badhabits, what kind of food they
serve.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Like a bar.
I don't remember the food.
I know they had something.
It was like cod fish, it wasspaghetti.
It was like Italian, you hadfish.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Why were you there?
Is that a comedy show?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, it was open mic .
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I'm telling you, man, comedy puts you in places.
This is why it's really hard tobe super ignorant.
If you do all the rooms, youjust start to get to know,
because you'll see the racismand I ain't saying it ain't
there you just start to.
I'm not forgiving it either.
You just start to see it soonerand deal with it sooner and go
like, well, let me avoid this,motherfucker.
You just see, I don't knowabout.
(18:45):
I've done deep Pennsylvania andI've just seen.
But I've also done deepArkansas and I'm like, oh, it's
okay, it's more racist north.
Okay, cuz normally is why shesay it some of the people
actually know what's wrong.
So go like you know, go aroundit.
No other people, just a lot ofproperty.
I don't know.
Um, but uh, now a really manand this is fun.
(19:05):
You know, the Saturday Iprobably should eat food.
Um, keep going.
What's the next question?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
So, in these 20 years of doing comedy, what have you
learned?
Like, what is that, that thingthat you've learned that you've
kept with you Going, going everytime you perform on the stage?
I Did.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
The biggest thing really is, uh, take care of
myself emotionally first beforeI get on, before I try to take
care of other people's emotions.
I used to get on stage allangry and shit and I didn't
really understand human beingsare, emotionally speaking, like
Takes about 15 minutes to changeperson's emotion.
Like if you're really angry,it's don't take about 15 minutes
(19:48):
.
You stop being angry if youactually are trying to be, if
you actually stop looking at theangry thing and actually
breathe, you know.
So that's why a lot of timeswhen you have anxiety for a
stage, kind of daughter need,give yourself at least 15
minutes to just Get yourself toa either a calm place or a fun
place.
But that Preparation time isthe most important.
(20:12):
Outside of the jokes and jump,the jokes will come if you
prepare.
But I think that's that'sthat's my biggest one right now.
Like, oh, support.
I used to know one of my likefamous people think that shit.
They're always in theirdressing rooms closed the doors
and it wouldn't.
Why are they being so diva asslike no, no, no, there's a thing
that happens.
(20:33):
You can't expect to controlother people's emotions when you
can't control yourself, likeI've said that twice now, but
that's like you're pissed off.
Would you to make other peoplelaugh?
What if I think that evendoesn't work?
Do you not know how emotionswork?
Oh, now some hours, mother shit.
Like great writers, greatscreenwriters, directors they
always say they're like you knowbeing writers, just writer.
(20:53):
A great psychologist, you're agreat Archaeologist, you're
great researcher.
You're like you're a multiplething sitting comedy to.
You're not just the greatsaren't just making fun of shit.
There's other things going on,like you.
Look at Carlin.
His word play wasn't just wordplay.
It was like playing on ourconsciousness of what our ideas
(21:15):
of what life was like, just withthese little word plays,
because our word, we build ourlife through our words.
This is my crib, this is myhome, it's my life.
No, they, we always do theworst.
It was like to break down thosewords and realize those meaning
really kind of always justbreaks down your foundation to
live it in life.
But also, patrice, so near that,the same thing, because it's
like you took this whole bigmyth and big archeological idea
(21:35):
of like I Mean, this is fuckingobviously 20 years before me to
fucking crazy.
But he was trying to takearound this idea, archeology
idea of trying to tell dudeslike me back then who was being
dominated by his girl To betreated this way, because that's
what I heard.
A lot of people heard the wholeMassagenistic shit and now a
lot of toxic dudes now use it toget attention.
(21:55):
And it's just funny because alot of people don't understand
when you hear toxic massively,like Andrew taking all them shit
.
If you take out the term womanand just put blank, every Group
hasn't person that says thatsame shit, like the actions are
the same, it's just the wordthat labels are different.
(22:16):
You know, all these niggas dothis.
All these I'm around.
I had that epiphany once I wasdoing a show in Boston and it
was like nine white comicsbefore me and they all did a
bunch of Polish jokes.
It was weird.
After the fifth comic thePolish jokes I was like this is
fucking weird, that this is athing y'all do.
And then eventually I startedclose my eyes and go, what if
it's replaced Polish with nigga?
(22:36):
And I was like, wait a minute,these jokes I can see that and I
was like wait a minute, lot ofstereotypes like that man.
They ain't really specific likethat, it's just fucking oh, how
I got that.
Tangent shit is weird.
But yeah, that's that'sinteresting to me.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Mm-hmm, it is, it is.
I see it is like I did a showwhere they literally talked
about jacking off the whole time.
I like, damn, like this is allwe do.
Nobody's getting no actualVagina, no, nothing.
I was like yo, this is, this istoo much.
(23:15):
It was too much at I actuallycame on the stage.
I was like I think I had toclinch my pearls a little bit
when I got on the stage.
I was like you know, I talkedthere's too much dick talk right
now Like whoo, and I know theywas happy when I went up there
because I don't talk about.
I Stay away from the, the, thebutt jokes that in the dick
jokes.
I tend to stay away from thatshit because I don't really
(23:38):
think I Mean you.
Could you go on the stage say,man, jack my dick off, or I
stuck a thumb up my butt andyou'll get a laugh.
But that's not really.
That's not the art.
You know, like I take a collect.
Well, I go to a safe space, aperformer safe space every
Thursday.
Well, we kind of break down allthe arts from comedy, poetry,
(23:58):
music, acting, and we start tobreak down the different things,
like, now that I've been, I'vebeen doing company four years,
two years in the pandemic.
I've watched specials afterspecials and a lot of times and
please don't take this any wrongway I like to watch it on mute,
like I watch your special onmute, in the way that you focus
on the crowd work, especiallywhen you hit the Donald Trump
(24:19):
tried to be racist.
He tried, he tried.
You was, you were making aconnection with that crowd in
front of MSG and they got whatyou were saying.
They.
They was like, oh, he's aboutto talk about Donald Trump, but
you took him for a spin like itwas a, it was a word, it was a
word playing the setup that Iactually appreciate the art of,
because I've been toprofessional shows before and
(24:41):
I've seen professional comedianslike Just just really have no,
no, no subject, no, no, callback, no setup, no, nothing, it
was just straight dick jokes.
Let me just do all crowd workfor an hour and people were
laughing here in Virginia and Ilaughed too.
But when I got back I was likeit was really nothing.
(25:01):
That that sizzled in my spiritfrom them and I was like, damn,
I'm really out of 50 bucks.
But but it is what it is.
You know, I want to see youperform one day, hopefully.
Oh yeah, I gotta set this tourthing up.
I'm gonna.
I think I'm gonna try to dosomething this fall.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I'm gonna do a bunch of small one-nighters and just
see like what's like.
Yeah, I got like.
Yeah, back to your referenceabout dick jokes.
I I find that like, yes, Irespect my father's who are
cleaning, don't talk about theydid, because they are actually
gonna make a lot more money inlife.
I'm proud of them and I'm like,yeah, keep working on it.
(25:40):
I know, for me, since myhardest laughs in life usually
ended up being dick jokes, Ikind of like can't let it go.
You know means like what else.
I I can still always referencelike oh, that job.
I Can still always referencelike oh, that job, like, but
it's a child to send me like I'mone time and this is really
really bad, but we used to haveto sing along since sixth grade
(26:03):
I just sing along every week.
It was boring, it got reallyannoying, you know proud Then
one time we were doing the.
Aladdin song, I can show you theworld.
And then I remember here somedudes laughing.
What are y'all laughing about?
It's like replace the wordworld with dick Shammer and
(26:33):
Shammer, tell me, princess.
And I don't know, it's thisgreat.
I just love that shit.
And so, yeah, I'm still a sixthgrader but I'm also sometimes
got to talk about Trump and saysome smart shit and it's like
that kind of I Don't know, justposition made me giggle for that
special.
You know, it's really.
You know, because also we'reall animals, we really only care
(26:55):
about food, sex safety, familyand love.
And Once you don't break thosethings down and always boils
down, that's the driving force.
It kind of keeps things andthen, you know, things get very
intellectual in our minds, butthe intellect always is
connected to our animal.
That were animals acting likewe know we're doing the.
It's kind of yeah, yeah, that'sa nice way to say it.
(27:23):
That's supposed to say this isthe whole evil world with idiots
.
Now we're just animals tryingto figure it out.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
That's true.
How is it working with JohnMulaney?
Because I had him like Seventhman on the bench.
To be honest with you, I isworking with baby JI mean he's
um, I think he's a genius.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
For me he helped out a lot of flaws that I did not
notice.
I think, like comedy is anapprentice ship.
I think the best comics Openedup for really great comics and
the shift happened for them too.
So I think, like in my opinionthere's a lot of comics who
figured out themselves right.
But Like being with him for twoyears I got to be like oh, like
(28:08):
it's the little little things Iwasn't even noticing.
That was just just a tight, andthe whole shit up Made me a lot
more confident and a lot morefun.
And being around celebrities isfun as well.
It's like, oh shit, this famousmotherfucker.
See, like that Malala woman whowon the Nobel Prize, she came
and did backstage say hello,just that shit, you know you
spell John Stuart.
(28:29):
And then her, you're like fuck,I ain't fucking force gunk land
.
Yeah, man, I watched baby J.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
And then, like I said , got into a spin or watching
the Milani show and you playedmotif Sparring comedian and that
was.
I was like that's real shitright there, because we go
through those things, we got aright.
Did we ask people how does thissound?
Or you trying to come up with aset, or you may get stuck on
the joke.
(29:01):
I'm stuck on a joke right now.
That's kicking my ass and Idon't want to give it up because
it's so good in my mind, butwe'll work on it.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, no, jokes are awesome.
Like that man, they're justseeds got a water.
Keep coming back to, especiallyif you say it out loud to
yourself.
Just keep saying it out loud.
I mean also, I'm a nerd.
So there's also a lot of bookson how to help you expand on
your thing.
They always introduce you tothe main four introductory books
(29:31):
.
You know Judy Carter.
I think Judy Carter is a veryincomplete a picture of a book.
I may help a lot of people getthem started, but I don't know.
There's so much more deeperthings to consider, especially
if you want to get better.
I mean, there's a lot ofcomments that kind of start to
learn on the fly, but I'm notone of them.
(29:52):
I need to like do it.
I need to see what I did.
I need to study othermotherfuckers, I need to be a
nerd about it.
That's why I'm noticing.
I'm like again, do another arts.
Once you see other arts, youhave to see how you excel.
Like once I started fighting, Iwas like, oh, this is how I
learned, and then, like, my egowas getting away with a lot of
comedy shit, like, comedy, shit.
I'd be like man, motherfuckers.
I want to stay at what I'mdoing because I'm deep in shit.
(30:13):
And then every time I gotcriticism in comedy, that's how
I reacted.
But then when I startedfighting, anytime anybody gave
me criticism, it was because Iwas getting punched in the face.
I realized, oh, they're tryingto help me not get punched in
the face and that kind ofstarted letting me like open
more to criticism and like, ohokay, well, how are you trying
to help me not get punched inthe face now in comedy?
(30:34):
Okay, okay, I can see whatyou're saying.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
So, yeah, yeah, that's why I go to that class on
Thursday, man, I need thecriticism to see where I'm at.
Then it gives me a chance tonetwork where the creators as
well too.
So, but, like the way me andJames Cooper were talking about
your stand up, cause I'm like,bro, you got to hear this guy
man, he's like man.
I've been watching Mexican Godon Boots.
(30:59):
I'm like, okay, that's cool andhe's a great comedian, but
listen to Seton Smith.
So I send him your clip.
He was like, yeah, okay, I seewhat you're trying to go at.
My question is to you what's upwith the suits?
Is that like the style?
That's the like cause you camewith the suits.
Like I said, it's a clean look.
It was like smooth jazz, bro.
(31:20):
It was like this shit is jeans.
It cleaned up the look Likecause that was fun.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
It was fun.
Just cause it was, I'm a Laniaswearing suit.
As you know, it was an accident.
We were doing a show at the RedRocks in Colorado and the Cad
Rocks is like an amazingprobably the best venue to meet
in the country, because it's inthe desert and it's an outside,
it's an amphitheater and it'scut literally out of rocks.
(31:48):
So it's like they found a rock,cut the seats, cut the stage,
cut the walls and then you cango like see the Denver skyline
but also watch the show.
It's one of the most beautifulplaces and they have the big
screens and stuff.
So we were doing the show on anEaster Sunday and we had a 3 pm
show and a 7 pm show andsomebody was suggesting hey,
(32:11):
it's Easter Sunday, why don't weall just wear suits for Easter
Sunday?
And yeah, we did the show.
And that was when Chappelle camethe first time and I remember
he had a waiting line because itwas just such a big place and
small ways to get in.
He had a wait line anyway, likeeverybody else, so he had to
sit through my set and I thinkhe's known for years and never
(32:32):
had to sit through my set.
Oh no, I was one of thosethings where you know busy so
you have to, you know.
But when you're two big megascreens in front of you, know
13,000 people and you're in line, you might as well look up.
And I think it was a and helooked.
He's like, yeah, you lookawesome up there.
He was really funny, he lookedgreat.
I don't know.
That compliment was like wewere on one of the 10th
compliments that day and I waslike, well, chappelle, things
(32:53):
look great.
I'm wearing these suits.
So suits are fun and you knowthat was just fun.
And yeah, yeah.
It's interesting, though, too,because I thought if I wore the
suits, people would stopcomparing me to Chappelle as
much.
And then that didn't happen atall, and so I was like all right
, well, let that shit go and Ican do about that Cause.
(33:16):
Like me and Chappelle, we bothhave professor parents, both
started comedy in DC, bothadmire the fuck out of Tony
Woods.
So you know what are you gonnado?
I don't know what I'm gonna do.
I admire a bunch of otherpeople that love Tony Woods the
fuck.
Tony Woods is one of the bestgeniuses of my time, you know.
I think he's one of the bestever.
Um so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I saw Tony Woods last summer at the funny bone and I
remembered him from Bad Boys, acomedy, so wow.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
He just collected some amazing sets on TV Like
he's just yeah, it's a brilliant, brilliant dude.
Yeah, I thought he wanted.
My first time I got to see himhe was in a fucking sushi
restaurant had open mic in DCand I remember he was 17 years
of comedy at that point.
I asked him such an ignorantquestion.
I was like how much time do youthink you have?
At this point I was like doingcomedy 17 years, Hours and hours
(34:08):
, not in my face.
It was a geeky question but Iwas like oh wow.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I know and just to see him from what?
Bad Boys, a comedy.
And then I suck, man, I forgotto set, but I remember the joke.
He was like man you ever go toyour job and say, man, fuck this
job, I forgot.
I forgot where he was at, but Iwatched his sets.
I've listened to him a lot andthat was like I got another
(34:41):
homie.
That's a story to him.
I'm like bro, you got to watchhim Like his story is very
descriptive, it's not too much,it's just like the right punch.
Like this man spent a whole sixminutes on Bad Boys and coming
to talk about his trip that youmake to go into the islands and
I say, if you watch my, if youwatch Seaton Smith, like you got
to watch his wordplay in hiscallbacks, it's like I say like
(35:04):
a carlin somewhat, but I saythat.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
You ever carlin?
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
It was like it was like a carlin.
I was like this is great.
But I do appreciate everythingLike give me this interview
because I had.
I was in Connecticut for acompetition, I was doing some
trials for AGT, I was doing alot of stuff and I appreciate
the interview.
I was telling everybody I gotthis guy even before today.
(35:32):
I got this guy man, he sold outMSG.
This is Seaton Smith man.
I got to get him on this showbecause he's, like I said you,
my six man coming off the bench.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
So that's very nice to say.
I didn't know I didn't sell outthat was open.
One day I'm not going to theuniverse yes, one day I will
sell out MSG, but that wasdefinitely his show.
It was dope, though, because Iremember I seen Louis CK Open up
for a rickshaw base and thenLouis CK the MSG, so you kind of
go like all right, let's see ifwe can get that going.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
See, that's what I'm talking about.
Man, is there, is there anyadvice that you want to give to
those comedians in the game, oranything you want to say to them
for them to keep going or find,you know, find that lane in
this comedy work, because it's alot, it's a, it's a, it's a
good path.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I mean, art and business are two different
crafts, so appreciate it.
I like, um, what is it?
What advice?
I think the advice the otherone was just get your emotions
right.
I mean, really, comedy is anawesome ass tool to actually
help you emotionally.
It's a few.
It's interesting.
(36:44):
I got into hypnotherapy and Igot like understanding how it
come by, where it came from, theroots of it all and realizing
techniques and hypnotherapy wereimplemented in the theater arts
in the 50s, so a lot of theemotional product.
(37:06):
Let me be more.
Let me use better words to bemore clear.
So you ever see motherfuckersdo improv?
Yeah.
You ever see how they're, like,really passionate about improv
yeah, that's hypnosis at itsbest.
They're doing group hypnosisexercises as posing as fun games
and they are fun and they aregames, but they also were taken
from medical situations to helppeople deal with trauma and a
(37:30):
lot of our own comedy basedthings we do in stand-up.
What we've learned do come fromthat.
We just don't know it.
It's just one of those like oh,fuck, like, yeah, man, once you
I don't know if you ever takecommunications and realize this
isn't even a period on shit.
This is basically marketing.
Marketing understands how toactually go talk to that animal
(37:51):
aside of you to make you buyshit.
You know what I mean.
And they actually weaponized it, while we're artists and we
just wanna just be, we just wantattention, while marketers know
what we're doing and actuallyuse it for something.
Kevin Hart actually knows it.
That's why he's a billionaire.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
But a lot of us are just slow down man, hey, hey,
I'm probably.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
This is why I speak for young comics.
I understand the big scope ofit all.
Like you know what I mean.
Like you are a businessman,just you know this could be a
fun business, so you know howfun would it be.
Nobody's gonna give it to you.
Don't forget that there's nogiving in this business, but I
don't think nobody thinks thatno more.
I was in the transition fromlike I think I was talking to
(38:31):
Hannibal Burris about that.
I think Hannibal was like Ithink he would have been the
last motherfucking of who wasjust giving shit, Cause there
was a time when motherfuckingwas just.
If you just worked the businessmodel before 2013, or even 2010,
.
What my business it was a solidbusiness with no comedy was be
funny.
Go to the right clubs, you'll.
Somebody will see you, you'llget picked up.
(38:53):
That was the funny, and I evengot picked up by Asians.
It's from that formula, butthen that was a legit formula,
but now that's not a formula atall.
Like you are not going to begiven nothing, you have to bring
value, and then then it's crazy.
So that's what I'm.
That's all I can say.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, man, if you guys do get a chance those
that's listening to watchingjust type in Seaton Smith on
YouTube.
I promise you will not bedisappointed.
My podcast is called NoID.
This is the eighth season.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
When's this coming out?
When's this coming out?
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Shit.
I'll make you the season finale, so 19.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Okay, well, this by then I got my special is going
to be it was.
The album is going to bereleased by 800 pound gorilla
and they're going to bereleasing a special on their
page, which has millions offollowers.
So you know, either check mypage out or check out his page,
where it's going to be a niceblow up.
So this fall may see a lot more.
It's nice.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, I follow 800 pound gorilla actually.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
My mouth will be having this fall.
Man, I'm really excited forthat.
It's going to be cool.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I'm excited for you, brother.
I run and see.
I know I'm going to see greatthings.
I already see great things.
But thanks, man, thank you, youknow what I mean.
I'm just giving you flowers,brother.
So I think everybody deservesthe white on this earth.
You can follow.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Thank you, you do.
You're absolutely right.
Everybody forgets, no matterwhere you're at, you forget Like
what the fuck you be like.
I remember I told a friend hey,I released a special six months
ago.
Yeah, I know I'm like, oh, Ididn't.
I literally don't know who ispaying attention.
I'm going to be acting like awhite here.
You know what I mean.
Like I literally was on tworadio shows actually earlier
this week and I just said, yes,you know, after the special they
(40:43):
were, you got a special.
I was like, how did y'allinvite me on?
You don't even know, they werejust nice people.
And I was like, okay, so thosetwo-screen people don't know.
But it's also like weird howyou never done.
Oh, so so thank you, brother, Iappreciate it, man.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Thank you.
Make sure you look up SeatonSmith on all platforms, man, and
check out the comedy I won'tcheck out live from MSG on
YouTube.
Check out some of his earlierwork.
Follow me, comedian Rome.
Follow the podcast, noid, onall platforms.
If you looking on social media,noid Media TV, not only will
(41:17):
you get podcast, but you'll getstand up comedy as well too.
I post a lot of my clips upthere as well too, so we're
trying to make it.
We're still in the mama'sbasement right now, so we're
trying to make it.
Appreciate you, brother.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
I like this.
This is fun.
I should do this.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
You should do this more often, brother, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
If I just talk to my friend.
I'm bored of him.
I just face time for himrandomly.
I should be doing this.
I just didn't know You're on mypodcast and they go up.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I just don't know, hey man, you're golden eyes man.
I definitely, like I said, sixmen coming off the bench.
Man, that's dead or alive.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
So Nah, man, that makes me really, that makes me
really, really, really nice tojust say I'm a yeah, really,
really, really, really nice.
I'm not, to be honest, Iactually don't want to be the
greatest, because we kind ofdon't grow after that.
You kind of just kind of sitaround in your own stew and be
that.
I'm like nah, I just want tokeep getting.
I like the idea of like, eventhough nobody really wants to
talk about this man, there's no,he's very pariah.
(42:21):
But Cosby, Stop growing.
That last special he did.
He could not.
You can objectively say it'smuch better than himself.
Like every line of it.
It was his performance, hisstructure.
I loved it much more thanhimself.
Oh, in my opinion, and you gooh, wow, I can't believe it.
Fucking late seventies, thisdude still, because I saw Don
(42:43):
Rickles right before he died.
He was still sharp, but it'sstill his old shit.
So it's like huh interesting.
So, anyways, I'm yeah, keepgrowing until you die.
It's kind of my old thing.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, definitely Hell yeah brother.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yeah, Well, you know what I was committing crimes and
shit.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah, don't, I don't know.
I think people sleep on cars bea lot too man.
They don't realize like theshows, the movies and even his
timing and like Uptown Saturdaynight, that's like one of my
favorite movies and I was.
I fell in love with him.
And then people don't realize,like even in his later career,
if we just talk to television,cosby in my opinion was better
(43:25):
than Cosby show.
That's when he was helpingJacobs the retired baggage
handler.
That was a great fucking.
That was a great fucking show.
That was a great fucking show.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Really, that was your argument.
You thought it was betterInteresting.
Oh, you know, I think it was adifferent time and that's
probably was emotionally.
I know that their window oftime they got off the Cosby show
oh shit, my shit getting low,but I just don't get nerdy.
But the Cosby show, I thinkwe're a lot, a lot on the
cultural references, you knowwhat I mean.
(43:56):
Like if you ever do a comedyshow where you'll see a comic,
we'll just start pandering tothe crowd.
That's what I'm talking about.
All these beautiful black womenin this crowd right now.
You're a nothing but beautifulblack, just a glass of yourself.
Beautiful, like he would doshit like that.
It would be like Jacob Lawrencepainting.
Let's talk about that for anentire episode, or, like you
know, this is black.
Like your favorite memories ofthat show is not necessarily
(44:16):
funny, except for, like, whenElton was doing the impression
of Cosby.
That was a funny moment.
But the big moments was whenthey did the Ray Charles song.
That's the shit.
We were like, oh, referenceupon reference upon reference.
And then the Cosby was justhard jokes.
So I was like I was in adifferent place emotionally.
This is like because I wasearly, 89 was like, oh my God,
(44:39):
black on TV, and then we hadthat crazy blackest motion.
And then by the late 90s we gotfucking dirty and raw and the
culture and mood on, because wewere from like once we had death
jam, it's like we startedlosing my fuck.
It was like a weird channel,because that's when black rooms
started to get super, superraunchy.
And then it was like, well, nowyou only have a certain dynamic
(45:01):
market that can listen to you.
It's like once you go superraunch, you can't go broad.
Now we're getting specific inbusiness and shit.
And then we're like I don'tknow, I'm going to be obviously
whatever.
Now I'm just rambling.
Yo, thank you for thisinterview.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
This has been dope man, appreciate you even doing
the interview, man, and yeah,I'm definitely looking forward
to the album coming out.
I definitely look forward tothe album coming out.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Thank you very much, man.
Yeah, I was really interestedin getting to doing the arena
laughter with the situation.
I don't know.
I think I'm actually moreexcited to listen to the album
because I got like two differentsound people in the arena and I
got this movie guy and I wantedhim.
I just wanted to get the soundof people walking in.
You hear his like literallyfootsteps.
It's like such a delicatefucking thing.
(45:46):
Just because it was like Iwanted him.
I wanted him because theproblem with arena sounds.
You don't hear how crazy it is.
It's fucking.
You've got to understand whatit's like to have $13,000 people
in one room.
It's fucking.
It's like it's just overstimulation, anyways.
So anyways, yeah, watch it,enjoy it, comment, share it
everybody, friends.
And yeah, man, watch out for mynew shit when I got a tour
(46:07):
coming.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Hell yeah, man.
Hopefully you come throughVirginia brother, so I look
forward to it.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Absolutely, man, definitely going to do this East
Coast run this fall, hell yeah.
My man appreciate you, brotherAll right brother, All right
Peace, man Peace.
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