Brad Thor - Edge of Honor

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Episode Transcript

(00:21):
Hey, guys, I'm Chris. And I'm Mike.
Welcome back to this week's No Limits the Thriller podcast.
How you doing today, Mike? Great, not only because I love
this book, but I got my wing manback.
I'm back. He's here.
He's back from the dead. Yes.
Sorry I left you in your time ofneed last week. 2 interviews,

(00:41):
two of them. I'm disappointed to miss two big
interviews, but you know, thingshappened.
Yeah, I fell for you because notonly everything you had going
on, but I knew you'd want to talk to Brad and Kyle like 2 big
ones we look forward to every year.
And yeah, I'm sorry you couldn'tbe there with me, but you will
definitely be back next year when we talk to them again.
Yes, yes, yes, yes it was. I'm I'm excited to listen to

(01:06):
your your brat interview as wellas your Kyle interview, which
boast boast recently dropped, right.
Sure. Yeah, they're both out now, so
spoilers. That's why I'm glad you waited
on the Edge of Honor interview, because I loved it.
But we we do talk about a numberof the characters in the plot
points, so I didn't want to release that until publication
day. People who had an early advance

(01:27):
copy could listen right away, but now a few weeks later, you
know, like yourself and others coming around to finish the
book. I really hope you can get back
to that interview. If you haven't listened yet, now
that you finished Edge of Honor,because you wouldn't be
listening to this. We are going to spoil Edge of
Honor here today. Go deep into the nitty gritty
and break it down. And Chris, I, I gave some hot

(01:47):
takes in that interview. You probably saw them on some
things I've been posting. This is the most enjoyable Brad
Thor book in my. I know you, I, I saw a little
bit of your, your snippets that on, on our social media.
I got to know though, do you agree with any part of that?
Trying to to avoid as much, you know, kind of keep keep my game
face on, you know, I love the two, Mike.

(02:14):
OK. Dude, I I think that this you
had. Me sweating bro.
This series needed. I don't, I don't want to call it
a refresh but just like something.
A little shot in the. New something different this
Harkins back to like how different, you know, deadfall

(02:34):
and and rising tiger were. But like brings us back into the
element and you know, Scott in DC we are we were in the thick
of it. And also just very interesting
choice to, you know, have him leave the Carlton group, have
him be on the outside. We we know like immediately he's

(02:56):
like, all right, who can I get? And none, none of his team is
there and you know, so who do wehave to call on?
But you know, 22 reliable stalwarts love hanging out with
McGee and Haney. That's amazing.
It's amazing multiple. Action scenes crazy the plot in
this is absolutely insane yes, you know and I I think you could

(03:21):
it could have gone like one of two ways by like trying to mix
this faction of like, you know, bringing in our current
political environment, giving in, you know the the Taco of it
all. If you want to say that, and I
don't know it's just interesting, but I felt like he
played the game and like well enough that like, you know
literally both sides could you know very much how like Kyle

(03:43):
would do it where like you, you could write somebody and the
person if if you if you hate Republicans, the person's a
Democrat or if you hate he's a Republican.
If you hate Democrats, the person's a Democrat right and so
and then having this whole deep state thing with, you know,
right as these Epstein file likesituation is going Oh my God, it
couldn't have dropped at a perfect time.
And I love the backdrop of America, 4th of July, Yes,

(04:08):
singing, you know, ending with the final, you know, jump, jump
into the final scene. Anyone that final scene, the
cover of this book and just being in our nation's capital
and, you know, being able to explore.
Yeah. We don't go like, too, too far
into it. But like, you know, we go to
Bishopsgate, which is right nextto Mount Vernon.
Like, you know, it's it's such it's all tied together.

(04:30):
Loved this book? God, what a relief.
I wasn't sure. You were like Stone Cold, not
giving me a read. You weren't like jiving with my
hot takes. I was kind of like egging you on
in text just to kind of tease out what you thought You.
You held fast. You held the line.
I was getting nervous. I can't agree with you more.

(04:51):
This book is just a refresh. I mean, I categorize it as these
ones and Brad didn't like my my opinion on this too much, but
it's like when the Apostle was doing something different by
keeping us in Afghanistan on theground with Scott and building
an awesome team or Deadfall, like you said, we're in Ukraine.

(05:12):
There's like 1 mission, 1 storyline.
Everything's around building around that.
This book is the DC book. It's like it's and I, and I'm a
sucker for that, absolute suckerfor everything DC, especially
someone like Brad who knows his stuff, knows it inside and out,
isn't just going to go to the Jefferson Memorial, the
Washington Monument, the Capitolbuilding.

(05:33):
Like he goes to parts of DC. You wouldn't know unless you're
a local, you know, and gets themall right and explains them
well. So the DC stuff is hitting.
You mentioned the callbacks, Haney and McGee are are only the
tip of the iceberg. We've got Rodgers.
That's a deep cut the black. Guys are backlash.
The czar from Backlash, the hostages are the one who

(05:55):
basically saved Scott is able topull strings in Washington and
and read the landscape so perfectly to get him out of
Siberia. He comes in, he owes a favor.
All of Solvi's connections goingback four or five books from the
moment we meet her, it's like her friend Bang, who brings the
the lutefisk. And it's like all these little

(06:16):
I, I, I just love all these little details.
Because when, when her friend who was on the protection detail
from the Prime Minister brings her a package and it's all
weapons, it says Solvi opens up a something little special that
she asked her to slip in there and it was the lutefisk and it
was like perfect. That that's revealed at the end.
I just feel like this is an incredible but oh, not to

(06:38):
mention you said the America stuff.
This book. I described it with Brad.
I was like, it's like eating apple pie, you know, having a
hot dog and a beer it on the 4thof July.
And Can you imagine if the paperback cover.
I don't expect this if it's the picture that Solvy took of him
raising the flag. That's a bad gate.
That was cool. That was, that was a little

(06:58):
treat, Yeah. I am just picturing a silhouette
of Scott maybe even giving a salute, the flag going up the
pole, the dock in the background, maybe even you see a
bit of Bishopsgate like the the facade of the church.
I just enjoyed this book so much.
So just to clarify, I don't think I would say this is the

(07:19):
best Scott Harvath book. I I wouldn't say it's like the
most important one in the series.
It's like this groundbreaking 1,but I'm saying most enjoyable in
the sense that it's a pretty light read compared to some of
Brad's other works. You go back to Lions, right?
It's like a tome. It's huge.
And and you have to do the legwork.
You mentally have to be so totally switched on to track all

(07:42):
those storylines. And we're globe hopping and
globe trotting. And here we don't need to do the
globe trotting because the storyis so tight and everyone is tied
back intermittently to what's going on in DC.
We don't need random globe hopping.
I just think everything is done so well.
You could put your feet up, kickback, relax and enjoy this book

(08:02):
because even his other best one backlash, it's like too heavy at
times where it's like, it's a better book, I would say in
terms of the writing of a novel and the thrill of it all.
But it's so heavy to read because you're just emotionally
invested in what Scott's going through and the way he's dying
constantly the entire time and he's hanging on a thread.

(08:23):
You don't know what happens to him.
It's like a different it's a different style of book.
So I think that one and lions tome, are still maybe better
overall novels, but this one is so tight and so crisp and so
badass America that it just makes it even more enjoyable
just to read. It's it's a perfect beach read,
but it's also a very complex book.

(08:46):
Yeah, and I think like you said,it's, it's just, there's no
fluff. Like I, I was really trying to
like come up with, you know what, if anything didn't make
sense. What, what would you cut out?
What could you cut out? What did, what did Brad throw an
extra in? I was struggling to come up with
some things. I I think, you know, maybe you

(09:06):
could nitpick a little bit, but to me, what this does is
following up on the storyline ofEdge of Honor or of Shadow of
Doubt, which me and you weren't super high on, you know, where
that one fell flat. This one like kind of raises
that up by like bringing in, youknow, the ultimately, like the,

(09:27):
the the one of the grand in the cabal is, you know, the
blackmailer from the CIA basically that last book and,
you know, wrapping that up. Yeah.
And I just think like, like I said at the beginning, like it
just takes us into this new territory of Scott.
Like I'm, I'm super intrigued tosee where we go, you know, in

(09:48):
the future. It it gives you enough to like,
all right, satisfy you in, in, in the moment.
I'm still hooked to the series, you know, like I, I still want
to see what's going on. Is he going to get back into the
Carlton group? Obviously there's probably
there's still other people out there that, you know, the
Russians, obviously that we're, we're going back to, to this
thing again. Yeah, I don't know.

(10:09):
I just it's propulsive. The pacing, right?
You asked me at the beginning, like was it too much to to rush
through it? Honestly, like I started it.
I didn't didn't get to start it until like Sunday, but I crushed
through it. Dude.
It it you, you know, I'm drivingto a book when it's hard for me
to like do my work, you know, atthe computer and, and, and like

(10:33):
be listening And but I was so enjoying it so much that I was
just like, don't tell my bosses.But I turned it on and then I
like kind of just just get lost and then I'll come back in, turn
it off to the all right, I'm going to enjoy.
I have an hour ride home. I have an hour left.
Let me enjoy that like on the ride home and arm again.
Armand Schultz can't, Can't Singmy praises like this.

(10:54):
He does a great job. Oh my.
And when he's doing the podcasters voice it's like
exactly that. Like smarmy Alex.
Jones mixed with Tucker Carlson.Tucker Carlson.
Little bit of Rogan like it's just all these like, but without
naming any of them, right? Like you said, you're not
pissing off the left, you're notpissing off the right.
He's not conservative, not a liberal.

(11:14):
It's just you're using the modern day political landscape,
commenting on it without being needlessly inflammatory.
You know, you're creating such aparallel parallelism to it that
allows you to make a point. Some really good points, very
anti white supremacist points. And it doesn't have to be broken

(11:37):
down along political lines just to get clicks.
It's not clickbait. It's telling a story that very
much mirrors our reality withoutbeing our reality.
You know, like some books like Deadfall, like Zelensky shows
up, you know, and other books weread like Putin's in it.
And I think Brad just handles sowell in this one.
This feels like the real DC hard, insider hardball.

(12:00):
It sounds like the real social fabric of America being torn
asunder and all of that being manipulated, political opinions,
even voting decisions being manipulated by Russian
disinformation or propaganda. Then that's also being
infiltrated at the highest levels with this, this mole,
this agent sleeping with a senator who's very much driving

(12:21):
the cabal, the politics, one upping each other.
The senator wants to get in. They want to move the vice
president up. They want to get rid of a
populist president. I mean, just look at that, a
populist president. You mentioned the Epstein's
files. It was on her desk and now it
doesn't exist. Like that just broke today.
And literally in this book, in the speech, the podcasters going

(12:43):
off on like you were elected by Americans who believed you would
do something. You didn't follow through in
that promise. Now we're going to take you out
of power. Holy crap, that just mirrors our
reality so well. I was going to bring that up
too. I think it's interesting like
that this book comes out at thistime.
You know, it's these authors areso good at it's crazy stranger
than fiction, right? That's what what Kyle writes.

(13:06):
You're seeing it a little bit with especially on, you know,
the hard right right wing right now where they're upset with Pam
Bondi and and and with Cash Patel and with Dan Bongino.
And they haven't quite gotten tolike where, you know, Trump's at

(13:26):
fault yet. But you could easily see how you
know if, especially if he's now pissing off Putin by maybe he
might even give you just keep giving Ukraine's missiles.
Like you could see where like, oh, his base is like he they
were already pissed off about the the Iraq like bombing.
They didn't want to get him to get involved.
They like, it's funny how like all these things are coming.

(13:49):
Like dude. NATO summit.
Exactly. The whole thing is around a NATO
summit and if we should essentially build an Iron Dome
for NATO, how how in tune is that with this red actually be?
Loving it what's going on right now like to mimic the like
almost like beat for beat. What's going on?

(14:09):
It's I mean, obviously it's not,you know, I hope to God we don't
have, you know, these neo Nazi, you know, like some false flag
attacks that are being planned like that would be.
That's obviously all. I'm not hoping that, but you
know, you could easily, I could easily see where who knows what
happens? You put out all this social
media stuff and then you gets pressure like he wants to.

(14:30):
I don't know who, who, who's to know what, what could happen?
Or even another one. The Secret Service and
protection details getting cut this book.
Is all I, I feel like that I that I could definitely feel
like the exploitation of like, you know, the downfalls of the,
the, the election, right, Like, you know, the assassination tap
on Trump, like, you know, and that was pointed out because

(14:50):
they they didn't have enough Social Security or Secret
Service. Secret Service, but they're so
exactly they're cutting down numbers and budget for budgetary
purposes. And is that affecting their
their ready state of readiness? But then also you're maybe
politically deciding who gets protection, who doesn't, and
then you're revoking it from people from prior
administrations who may legally deserve it or maybe for safety

(15:14):
reasons and threat assessments may need it.
Around the corner for me was Kathleen Hicks, the the I
believe she was deputy or Under Secretary of the Army.
She had a high DoD position and there were always 4 SU VS 24/7
on the block around the corner, running engines running staffed

(15:36):
24/7, 2 in the back of the house, 2 in the front of the
house. And then literally I see in the
news like protection details arebeing pulled.
Haven't seen those SU VS since. And it's like I'm reading about
that in the story with Rogers being chased through Rock Creek
Park. He lost his protection detail
and it's just unbelievable to realize that's going around me,
you know, like literally down myblock there, the impacts of this

(15:59):
and not to mention the Iran connection or Iran.
Connection. He suspects it's fallout from
the Soleimani attack. We recently just had it with the
nuclear attack. You know, there was going to be
retaliation for that. And another one, he's going,
he's reaching back even further.Brendan Rodgers thought they're

(16:20):
going after everyone in that picture on the Security Council,
which made me think of the Osamabin Laden raid, the picture of
the team. Of the teams.
Sitting in the in the situation room or one of the conference
rooms off the situation room. And I'm just like imagining
these terrorists sitting there with that exact picture putting
XS on people's faces, you know? And they think like, this is all

(16:43):
being sponsored by Iran. And holy crap.
Stranger than Fiction is what Kyle calls it.
But I call it for Brad the Straight Outta because he posts
an article and says like straight out of Edge of Honor,
straight out of Black guys, the Straight Outta series by Brad
Thor. I don't even think I covered all
of them because I wrote down like 7 different things from the

(17:03):
straight outta there was Sky Shield which is the version of
the Iron Dome for NATO. I was thinking Star Wars, you
know, go right in the Cold War. We go back even further.
Isn't there something in the bigbeautiful bill that that has
that has the money for that? The big beautiful bill is
pushing that. The podcaster we talked about
that cuts at, oh, the probationary employees.

(17:25):
Right. That that was a big thing in the
in January, February, yeah. Right.
The CIA ground branch guys are all taking this odd job to work
for this kook because they all got cut.
All because, and it happened to one of my friends, he works for
Fish and Wildlife and he has like 12 years of government
service, an equivalent position,but he moved to a new department

(17:47):
and because he was new to that department, he automatically
became one of the probate probationary guys who got cut.
He got slashed. A lower court ruled an
injunction against that. He got reinstated.
Just today the Supreme Court revoked that injunction and now
said you can go back to firing them.
And so it's just like people areping pong balls and in this book

(18:08):
we're seeing that exact thing happened.
But those guys go work for the enemy and have no other option
but to go join this, you know, dark team doing this thing.
So I said, oh, hail, hail was the guy that they roll up at the
river estate, which Nicholas, dude, I, I want to get your
reaction. But just a minute.

(18:28):
They roll up hail and they find out he smuggled these weapons
from Mexico where there was thisdepot and they said it blew up
and everything was gone, but secretly he smuggled it to use
for this operation. I'm thinking fast and furious.
Sure. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, like Mexico weapons getting lost, like falling into
the wrong hands. I'm like the straight out of
ripped from the headlines that Brad is packing into this book

(18:52):
and every one of them is realistic.
It's the buy in score for me. 5 + + + 5 out of five.
I'm buying on this. Nice.
Nicholas, what do you think of that?
I lost my mind. Yeah.
I I well, first of all, like, harkening back to like when he
first rode, when we first saw him, like riding Argos.

(19:13):
He rides Argos, right? Or I think Argos was shot and he
rides Draco. Yeah.
So just like, you know, doing that.
And I was kind of disappointed last book when he said that, you
know, he's he couldn't go out inthe field anymore.
And then in the beginning of this novel, you know, he's
sticking to his guns. But in the end, you know, Scott
got him to do what he needed to do.
You know, I'm glad. It's glad to see that you know

(19:37):
Nicholas will be there mostly. As long as Scott provides those
babysitting hours, you know he'll, he'll compensate him.
I love that at the end. That was a great touch.
Yeah. And it's, you know, like it's
changing dynamics, right. You know, it was interesting to
see that Gary Lawler is off on vacation and he's supposed to be
running the the, he's kind of running the Carlton, not really

(19:57):
running the Carlton. It's really Nicholas.
Yeah, it's it's, it's super intriguing and.
You know why? Why the hard shift with Brad or
with with with Scott like? He's out.
He's just done. He got the the whole.
The whole CIA. Thing.
Yeah, like Holiday Hayes wasn't in this one.
That's an interesting choice. But yeah, she was forced to

(20:18):
blackmail him. He also got the money.
He cut the deal with the Russianoligarchs wife.
So he's got the 50 mil and and Brad called that the supermodel
problem. You know, why are you going to
get out of the bed and go work for the man?
You know, money has a whole different meaning.
Work has a whole different meaning now.
And he wants his life with Salvi.
And so this was this was a real interesting move where Scott

(20:40):
could have been out of the game,out of the CIA because he's
pissed at them. Doesn't need to work for the
Carlton group anymore. He's kind of made unless there's
a threat that requires his skillset.
I'm sure he'd come back in to save the day, but he could be
out. He and Salvi could be made in
the shade. And this one that this one
bought me into. Why each of them were where they

(21:01):
needed to be. Yeah, exactly why they were
brought back in and why something in Shadow of Doubt and
even Deadfall and maybe even before that.
We were saying this. Scott and Solvy just haven't
done enough together yet. Like, they kind of had reasons
to go their own way. And Solvy just disappears into
the background. She'll have one cool action
scene. Even the last book where she was

(21:21):
that bad. Action scene.
You know, yeah, they weren't really together and they weren't
together. They they weren't really
together in this book either, but I felt like it was way more
connected. It was intertwined, I agree.
And Scott was so close with the Norwegian delegation and they
were kind of working together and the opening scene right at
the Norwegian residence and Ambassador house.
So I think the two of them operating together but also

(21:43):
having personal time together was handled perfectly here.
Yeah, no, for sure. Perfect.
I think it sets them up to be like this dynamic.
Do you know like obviously Brad setting it up to, you know, have
this Russian connection and and where are we going to go next
with them? Obviously they're they're
pulling the strings. Thought for sure we were going

(22:04):
to get that. What was her name?
The the the mole like it. But at the very end it was it
was referenced that her throat was slashed.
I I thought like. She was stumble, yeah.
Yeah, I thought for sure she wasgoing to play a role in in in
the next books. But you know, we'll, we'll have
to see. Yeah, she was.
Yeah, I don't know. I kind of want to get in the

(22:24):
scorecard and talk about like some of these more specific
action sequences. I agree we have to talk action.
I think I'm going to go 9 out of10.
I was going to 9.5. I was, I'm toying with 9.5.
Yeah, you know what? I have to go 9.5.
The only reason I'm not giving it a 10 is there were like 4

(22:48):
really good ones that stand out to me.
I could have maybe used like 4 1/2 of these scenes, like just a
tad more action or maybe take anaction scene that wraps up
really quickly and draw it out just a little more.
But the ones that stand out to me, the opening scene, of
course, is a very good one. But my top 2 favorites, the hit

(23:10):
on Rodgers, McLean House. Yeah, that when Haney McGee and
him hold down the Fort. And then my absolute favorite
was Solvie on the highway at theDulles Toll Road taking out the
sniper. Those ones just are amazing to
me. Yeah, and they're both, you
know, super unique. You got Scott in in one
situation. You know, you've seen him in

(23:32):
that situation before, but he generally has more hands, like
more, you know, he's he's havinga MacGyver him, you know, his
way through this and, you know, having two bad asses side by
side, like it's just, you know, they're able to execute
awesomely. Nicholas drone and then the
other one. Oh yeah, those little drones
were cool. You know, the other scene, I
feel like we've seen that before, like a hit on a

(23:53):
motorcade. Wasn't there one in the in the
last book? There were two books ago.
I forget, but yeah. But this one to me was just way
more intense and I guess drawingin like not having Brad there in
the beginning, you know, like, yeah, exactly.
Keep on interchanging. Sorry, not having Scott there

(24:13):
and having focused on Salvi and get really getting to see her in
action. She does that in Shadow of
Doubt. Do you remember?
She has the defector in that house like she has her moment to
shine. But this one felt so much more
personal to Scott because he wasalmost playing that support role
for her. It's it's like she was the one
still going down range and exposing herself, and he was the

(24:35):
one back home trying to play that supportive spousal role.
And now he's the one worrying about her and he has to rush to
the scene. They fly in on the choppers,
even though everything's wrappedup and done.
He wasn't in the action, but he was totally impacted by the
action. And I thought that was unique
for your protagonist. Yeah, and he's the one that
talks to Gage, right? Who, you know, ultimately, he's

(24:58):
not a not a bad guy, but, you know, that's how some of the
leaked information comes, comes through.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Gains.
I was hoping he was good. I did not want him to be bad.
Yeah, there was like at one point it was tipping like there
was, there was too many like badguys like in multiple situations

(25:18):
or in like, you know, throughoutall these organizations, like, I
don't know. I was just, that was the
toughest thing for me to get over in a sense.
Because we've seen Scott with the CIA with, I mean, not I
guess the CIA is probably the easiest to believe that you
could have bad actors because wewe've had that in other novels.
But the Secret Service we we've only really had I guess lions,

(25:42):
right, where, you know, there was one like major player in the
Secret Service. And we've had other times where
FBI, you know, what was it that Joel?
Joel Wilson in the Trap. Yeah, he was a bad guy, but he
wasn't. Oh, yeah, that's in the trap.
But like, we've seen like that, you know, instance where like
it's the FBI he's being played and whatnot.

(26:02):
But to just to have the Secret Service like legit be bad,
especially in that one. Like, it reminded me of the
scene from Captain America, the elevator, The elevator scene
where like 4 Secret Service agents get on and they all,
they're all jittery. And then, you know, they try to
take out and Scott's able to take them out real quick.
Yeah. A total Captain America.
That's. Exactly what I thought of.

(26:23):
Yeah, yeah, just the breath of of of the bad actors among, you
know, the the heroes was just was crazy.
And that's going to take us intobad guys.
We'll get to in a bit. But I I kind of like this idea.
It it was almost one too many people and names, but I like the
idea that it was like the tentacles of the people pulling

(26:46):
the strings. So like when the Russians
created this whole plot, what they call black line to
basically underwrite Americans confidence in the government and
they're Co opting the Senator Blackwell.
Is that his name? They kind of have to have their
tentacles everywhere, right? You can't just have some bad guy
at the FBI and think your job isdone.

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They needed a Secret Service plan to CIA plant.
So I feel like it just shows thethe depth of penetration of the
Russians operation like old school KGB style shit for them
to have been able to have turnedto this many people and have
their fingers everywhere and andI think that elevated it.
So yeah, one too many names, particularly when you add the

(27:28):
white supremacist bad guys at the very end, then we get like
another two or three names who are connected as the bad guys.
So, yeah. And then we.
Also have Hale who's like he's the CIA ground branch guy who
was obviously corrupt. Like right?
Running that team. Running that team, yeah.
So to me, like by themselves, they were all like, fine, but

(27:51):
then in my head like I was just.It was a little bit too hard to.
Yeah, you then had Kennedy and Kennedy and Marshall as well.
Kennedy was the guy. Carolyn and Fields anew in the
FBI who, who was the bad guy? They got a bad rub.
And then Marshall was Russ Gaines's secretary, assistant
secretary, if you will, and yeah, he was all giddy and he

(28:13):
was bad. Maybe one too many in that
regard. Maybe.
But that's a small nitpick from that.
That takes villains to like a 4 1/2.
I think it's only half pointing for that.
Yeah, I'd say so. Yeah, we can.
We can. Let's put 4 1/2 for bad guys.
Yeah. And I think with all the action
though, I'm absolutely a nine and a half.
One other thing that that. Took the Naval Observatory scene

(28:35):
you mentioned. The opening scene like that one
was freaking awesome I guess. What a way to start the book.
Oh yeah, like come out guns blazing.
That's everything I wanted in anopening. 2 chapters everything.
And then I guess some of the smaller action scenes are the
infiltration onto the complex toto capture hail.
Yep, well, Carolina fields the gym when they go to the gym.

(29:00):
And the the gym scene, the guy pulls a gun and she's she's
quick on the trigger. Yeah.
And the Convention Center scene at the very end, you know, it's
going to be the sarin gas, you know, and, and Scott's, you
know, intertwined with that is the whole Captain America scene.
Yeah. I don't know.
It just, it was a lot. And it's all paced out pretty
well. Those last few though, the hit

(29:22):
on the final, there's almost 2 complexes at the end, but the
big one in Elkton, VA to get theI think Jordan, Jacob Jordan I
think was his name, that one. A little longer.
I yeah, I wanted a little more out of that.
And then we rushed to the Convention Center as well.
And that one, when we're doing the sarin gas, it's like all

(29:43):
this packed into the very end without a whole lot of kind of
build up or explanation. If we knew a little something
about chemical weapons leading up to this, like there was
residue or they were cylinders transferred or they found
materials, you know, in the white supremacist houses and
they were prepping the stuff, I think there could have been a
little bit more of a through line instead of boom, it's a
chemical attack coming out of the blue.

(30:06):
All that, yeah. Because the only way they're
able to piece that together is that they see these noodles.
Yeah, like, and then quickly pivot to like that.
That's where I'm like getting. It's a little thin, a little
thin, but that's the half a point for me on ACT.
OK, maybe that's also half a point on plot then.
I think so too. 95. And did you like the whole like

(30:28):
bringing in white supremacists, like the that that aspect of it?
You know, I, I thought it was a good way to address the Russians
can't just basically do everything right.
Have Russian operatives have CIAground branch guys Co opted to
do their bidding. It's like you needed another
force that was Co opted and one that is kind of dumb, you know,
one that was just willing to do whatever you you spoon and feed

(30:51):
them. So I think it also allowed
Carolyn and Fields investigationto pay off because I really
liked what they were doing. And it could have felt like this
Side Story, like sometimes earlier in the series, there was
a police procedural and I don't remember it coming back so well
to like give Scott enough Intel to do what he needed to.

(31:13):
But I think Carolyn and Fields chasing the white supremacist
guys at the same time where Scott needs that final guy to
interrogate to hear about the final attack or to to put the
pieces together about who's bad inside the government.
I think having Scott's mission to go after and hunt down and
Bob Magita, who's bad, combiningwith Caroline and Fields to kind

(31:33):
of root out these white supremacists, I thought that
came together great. Yeah, no, I 100%.
Agree you you can't have one without the other.
Right, right. Then it gets very thin.
So what does that mean for plot and buy in for you then?
Yeah. I was going to ask how bought in
were you that you think that CIAground ground bench guys that
you know were were laid off would be willing to just turn on

(31:56):
our country and start shooting innocent civilians?
Yeah. The the, the white supremacist,
I, I, I could understand that because I could see that, you
know, like they they'll, you know, sort of paint him like,
oh, these are Jews. These are, you know, black
whatever the the ground branch thing that that was the thing
that. I was hung up on what missions

(32:16):
did they actually do? They did the Norway op right to
hit the Norwegian delegation. They did the Norwegian
delegation and they did Stevens's house.
Oh, Rogers, Rogers. They were picking off.
See that? That's why it fits, I think.
Yeah, I guess you're right. They're they're not.
They weren't the ones that were.Shooting up the protesters, yes,

(32:40):
yeah, if they were doing that. Ones like setting up the sarin
gas. Exactly.
I, I think that's why you need the white supremacist to do kind
of that dirty work of just complete psychos, But you need
the ground branch guys who I think they literally think
they're draining the swamp. I think they're being told by
Hale who, who probably has a good reputation.

(33:03):
If Hale can build this, this company and steal this arsenal
from Mexico, he could probably tell them like, look, guys, I
have connections high up at almost as high as the VP, right?
People surrounding the VP to basically get America back on
track. Like we can go take out all the
old guard who's ruining, you know, this country who's taking

(33:23):
us down the wrong path. And that's what's scary is you
get disgruntled veterans or disgruntled paramilitary guys
who have that training and you give them a reason to do
something and you, you basicallytell them this will save America
I and they're disgruntled from losing their job.
I think that's enough to to really get them to do some dirty

(33:44):
shit. And the Brendan Rodgers attack
makes sense. They think they're wiping out
the old guard who's compromisingthe current administration, a
very populist administration. And these old heads, you know,
these old diplomats and these old security security apparatus
guys are ruining us from making America first and, and stuck in
the old ways. And I literally think a guy like

(34:05):
hell could convince them you're draining the swamp by doing
this. Yeah, no, I guess you're
bringing me around on that. I agree with you.
And plus as I was reading it, I was bought in.
I'm going 55 out of. What I guess the final thing
that I want to ask if you're bought in on is this whole idea
of we put the vice president outthere to, he's going to be the

(34:26):
one to succeed like we, we needed him to, to be that guy,
you know, to, to, to fulfill thecoup, right?
The podcaster sold me on it. How did not bid well.
Blackwell was working with Coughlin of what is it, bunker
radio? Yeah.
And his manifestos. I think it made sense.

(34:48):
I mean, it's it's literally whathappens when MAGA turns on
Trump. You know, like you, you created
a beast that you you can't keep in the can anymore.
And I kind of see that as happening.
And and they pick their person, want to propel them to power.
And you have people on the inside.
Like, they got him in front of the cameras right after an
attack. So he was the first Face the

(35:08):
Nation saw the VP responding to the attack as opposed to the
president. And, and I think you had
political insiders, you had people to do the wet work.
This was almost a really, reallyperfect operation to have a
regime change. Yeah.
All right, so all that I'm goingto put 9.5 on plot.

(35:30):
Same 5 out of five on buy in. Or is this enough to Ding it for
you? Think when you're ripping
through this book at work and you just can't put it down.
Yeah #5 I'm A5. That's a 5I read.
Like I said in the interview with Brad, the hardback in 16
hours started at one night on vacation, got home, read it the

(35:53):
next morning, finished that afternoon.
Then I read the audio book today. 3 1/2 speed because they.
Already ended. I already knew the story and
it's Arman Schultz. I know Arman Schultz's voice so
well. 3 1/2 speed. I could still keep up with
everything, and I think I finished that one.
I started probably feeding 10 orlike 8:00 AM and finished 8:00

(36:15):
PM, So I finished that in 12 hours.
Wow. Yeah, I couldn't stop.
I couldn't stop. I would love to re listen to
this book again it's that good. You know I recommend it to
Caroline. I was like you should read this,
this is good. It's also a pretty good stand
alone, like it's made that much better if you know Bob McGee, if

(36:38):
you know Brendan Rodgers, you know Nicholas.
But. But you could easily have
started the story where, all right, this is a guy he just got
out of the, you know, this long term commitment.
Now he's here like I, I. This is a one of those perfect
stand alone. Yeah, it is.
You'd probably be confused when Nicholas is riding the dog.
Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right. What about good guys, man?

(37:01):
Got a lot of them. It's got to be a 5 dude I think.
McGee and Haney alone. Makes it a 5.
Make it a 5. I agree, Carolyn.
Fields too. Throw in, throw in Carolina
Fields, throw in Solvi's badassery, even Bennet, her, her
friend throwing in, you know his, his contact at the CIA, you

(37:27):
know the Admiral, the Admiral, the drunk Admiral.
That dude. And then he has all the women on
the boat for the 4th. Yes, yes.
Yes, yes, yes. I could just see him as that old
man who's always at the bar, always the life of the party and
just having a good time. You know, it's this, it might be

(37:47):
running fives the rest of the way 'cause I love the setting.
I thought that taking us to DC, you know, we he perfectly
describes like this whole what is a Woodley Park?
That's perfect area where you know, the Russian handler
meeting in the apartment Naval Observatory Dulles toll road.

(38:12):
We're going to like maybe this is a completely like biased 5
for me growing up in that area and everyone else reading this
book could think less of it. But yeah, take, take it from me
as ADC native, Northern Virginianative, it's perfect.
He nails it. It's perfect.
Freaking nails it. Dude, I talked about that a lot

(38:33):
with Brad in the interview. We we just geeked out over all
these DC locations. Not to mention the restaurants.
They, they go to Hank's Oyster Bar on the Wharf.
Peace going Oska. My my wife worked around the
corner from there. That was like their happy hour
spot, the Convention Center. They even stopped at Children's
Hospital right around the cornerfrom where we went to college.
Catholic University. Oh, a dive shop in Akaquan.

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Akaquan's a perfect little town to have this.
Patriot Dives, which he called it, like Patriot Dive Shop where
Scott gets his scuba gear tuned up.
There's a real one. It's called like USA Dives or
something. Oh, that's cool.
Like all this stuff is real. Off the record, the the bar at
the Hay Adams Hotel right acrossfrom Blair House, the FBI
headquarters, of course, comes up.

(39:15):
Everything is just so perfect. I'm a sucker for the DC stuff.
So you can't get it more perfectthan what Brad did.
River's Edge. I even posted, if you haven't
seen on our socials, I posted a picture of the River's Edge
Farm, which was, well, actually the River River Farm is the
Horticultural Society, American Horticultural Society's

(39:37):
headquarters right on the Potomac River with this mansion
and these gardens. And that's where Nicholas gears
up to ride the dogs and they cross the estate into nearby
River's Edge, which was a house Brad said he's actually saw in
Zillow. He said that and Rodgers McLean
house were real Zillow postings while he was writing in those
areas. And he used them to to craft

(39:59):
these houses. They were so accurate, just so
accurate. And the highway I was, I was
going out to golf. I was on the dullest toll road.
And literally Scott described itperfectly.
The motorcade was stuck because the metro tracks to your left.
You know the the barbed wire, the metro track rails, you can't
cross that way. The shooting is coming from the
woods. There's woods, you know, all

(40:20):
near. Wolf.
Trap Wolf trap, right? There's like woods right there,
Wolf Trap on the other side of the highway.
And I'm just imagining the sniper hanging out there and
then Solvi has to get cover firewith the burning vehicles from
the RPGs cut across the highway.And then the helicopters even
touched down, right? That's how they they bring Scott
out there from the White House. Helicopters take off from the

(40:42):
White House, land on the highway, The burning RPGs.
Oh, it's unbelievable. Picturing all this happening
right where you grew up and where I'm pretty much driving
every week. So it's insane.
Brings me back. Brings me back for sure.
Settings of five out of five plus.
All right, the cover. What can you say?

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It's America. It's America, baby.
I think it's perfect. Do you see this fold on top of
the O? You see that the fold in the
flag. I think it's perfect.
It's obviously it's, it's one ofthe best covers I think I've
ever seen, especially if we wantto judge the book by the cover,
Judge the cover by the book. It perfectly embodies everything

(41:32):
is going forward, the setting, the scene, this RIP in America,
you know, like is the flag falling?
Is it just waving? You know, like what is going on?
Yeah, I don't know. It's just I love the colouring,
the shading. If you have the physical cover
too, like the, you know, the ridges of of Brad and Edge of

(41:53):
Honour, it's just perfect. It's perfect.
Take this book out into the sun and the daylight and it shines.
Just absolutely shines. It's it's a 5 out of five and we
rarely give 5. You know, this is, this is up
there, up there. I want to see the paperback.
I want to see the mask on paperback.
If they still do it, I want to see the international version.
Honestly, this should be the international version.

(42:14):
Don't change a damn thing. Don't.
Don't put a silhouette of an operator fully kitted out.
Don't. The Germans?
Yeah, the Germans are going to. Do that.
We're grading this before we seeother covers that would
potentially bring that score down, so.
The British one's going to have a train, the Australian one's
going to have a cricket match. We should tell Chad GBT to take

(42:38):
the Edge of Honor cover and figure out how to add power
lines or or a train. Dude, I seriously want to put a
description of Scott raising theflag at Bishop's Gate with the
dock behind him into Jet GBT andsay make this a mass market
paperback cover and just, I don't know, it's cool.
I want to see that it's just a thing of beauty.

(43:00):
What's the other picture? Solvi snaps.
Oh, of him eating the fish. Him eating the fish, yeah.
You put that on the back cover, you put Brad eating the fish.
Hey chachi BT make a picture or eating lutevisk.
That's awesome. What's your free space man?

(43:21):
The hit on the Rogers house, I already said the other one is my
favorite action scene, so I feellike I covered that.
But equally and just right up there is the way Haney, McGee
are all bunkering down, getting ready and then they take every
advantage that they have. Even at one point Scott radios
in for them to use the the automatic window blinds and the

(43:43):
shades. So the team going up the ladder
gets thrown off by him a little time so he can scoot around and
get a better shot on them using the little drones from Nicholas,
the Mosquito drones. They even are able to take out
the attackers drones themselves.I just think the hit on that
house. So the opening action scene
hooked me. That scene made me think, let's

(44:05):
freaking go. This is one of the best books
I've ever read. And by the time the Solvi thing
happened on the highway, icing on the cake.
So just the pacing between thosethree scenes and all the
storyline in between them to meet all the characters and see
who's who. The pacing was phenomenal.
So I'm giving it to both the pacing and those action scenes.

(44:29):
It's a good one. It's a good mine's, mine's kind
of related and it's, it's tied into good guys.
But I, I think just, I guess I'mgoing to give it to Brad like I
don't know if we've ever done that before because.
Just only about every other book.
But like, just to be able to come up with this all right, you

(44:50):
know, where do you go from now? Like and to truly think hard
about Scott's out of the game, execute all right, how do you
pull him back in? Because you have to have him
come back in, you know, put him in in in the situation where he
can't have his regular team, butyou're going to bring back some
of the best cast of characters, you know, name drops whatever

(45:11):
and to execute this perfectly. And I agree with you.
It's like it's not the it's not my favorite book.
It's definitely not the best book, but it's it's just like,
you know, it's a game. It's a for me, it's a game
changing. I agree.
It's like, I agree. I don't know.
So I'm I'm giving it to Brad. Fuck it.

(45:33):
Yeah. Game Changer is a perfect way to
say it, especially with the the recent run of books.
They were all good, some very good, but we needed a phenomenal
1 and we got it. And I think this lives up there
with, you know, you said a backlash.
Lions takedown apostle like thisis up there with like top five

(45:56):
for me. It's it's up there, up there
now. Do I press and say if it's top
five, where does it land? What spot does it land?
If I had to press the on it, is that too much to ask?
So I think I think I'm. Prisoner of the moment, it's

(46:17):
344. I was about to say it might be
prisoner of the moment but it's in my 3 spot I think it.
Might be a three. For for you it would be Does it
take takedown because you love takedown?
Yeah. I think it beats the Apostle
though. It's close, but I think it edges
it. It edges it out.

(46:37):
It's a different style, though. It's not as deep.
It is deep, but it's deep in different ways, you know, Like
there we're like interacted withthe Afghan people here.
Here we're like, America's in a crisis, you know?
Sure, it's very different, but. Yeah, I think it's three.
I think it's a three spot. I think it's a three spot.
You know, I'm with you. We, we reserve all rights to

(46:57):
change our ratings at any given time.
So don't hold us to that. That's where I'm putting it
though, and I think I'm pretty confidently putting it there and
not just being a prisoner at themoment, so.
Wow, so this one is a for both of us of 48.5. 48.5 out of 50

(47:18):
For folks who haven't heard a lot of Thriller Pod, we've
reviewed over 100 books. We've given the scorecard for
all of them. That's one of the highest ever,
yeah, of all time. Definitely.
Wow, that's a good book. It's a great book.
Get go out. If you're listening this far and
you haven't gone out and bought a copy, I don't know why you've
listened this far, but you everyone needs to read this

(47:43):
book. Absolutely, and like we said, it
could be a stand alone. I'd recommend it to anybody.
I might even say it's an OK place to start the series.
I think I stand by you really should start with lines of
Lucerne of course, followed up by State of the Union.
You could start with backlash and if you want a little pre

(48:04):
story spymaster and backlash, I think I would put this one next
as a good place to begin if you just want to get a sense of who
Scott Arvath is, because then you can go back and say how did
he get to this point? How did he get, you know, right
where he's almost he? Intrigues you enough to be like,
Oh yeah, I oh shit, his wife died like oh, I Oh yeah.
What was it like when he was fully in the Carlton group, when

(48:26):
he was fully in the civil? Service.
The one guy geeks out. He's like, you saved the
president and the president's daughter, you know, like, oh
shit, this guy's done stuff before so.
He was putting on a show, though, because he was part of
the cabal. But yeah.
But yeah, that kind of gravitas that the the legend and the aura
of Scott Harvath holds, I think would get somebody interested in

(48:47):
saying I want, I want more. I want to know more about him.
And and if you like Solvi a lot,this could kick you off to not
even go back to the very beginning, but go back and read
her arc, you know, Near Dark Black ice and go back to some of
those more recent books or who is Bob McGee?
Let's go back and find the Bob McGee Lydia Ryan books.
It's like it sparked so much interest.

(49:07):
Yeah. Now, thinking of thinking ahead,
this book did do something that's got me questioning what's
Nicholas's role in all this? Because I feel like the demands
of fatherhood and the demands ofrunning the Carlton Group.
Too much. Is a lot, and of course,

(49:31):
obviously the baby is, you know,just an infant.
But what will it mean for Nicholas to split his time
between family and leading the Carlton group?
I don't know how that's going towork out.
Really curious about that. I could see this being Nicholas
the swansong. Yeah, but.

(49:51):
You can't. You can't kill him.
No, he'll just, he'll just be there for Scott and Sulvy to
kind of lean on occasionally or basically go see the baby every
once in a while. But I just don't see him getting
out, get him getting out of the Carlton Group and just being a
father and then, you know, maybea couple books down the road.
We have to tap into his expertise digitally, you know,

(50:13):
but. Yeah, I think could you have
Gary Lawler and Bob McGee kind of Co run the show because Gary?
They were kind of, they were kind of planting that seed,
right? Like exactly.
McGee would be a good guy to lead the.
I wonder if you would come in retirement.
Yeah. Yep, and they even had actually,
one of the passages I want to read is McGee reflecting on this
and he talks about painting, right?

(50:33):
He finds his solace. He's painting.
They go to his house on Kent Island.
He loves the boat, right? He takes the boat hours, hours
up the Chesapeake to to get to the July 4th party.
I can kind of see him getting toa point where he's found that
piece and he has enjoyed it and he's ready to get back in the
game already, you know, to saddle up again.

(50:55):
So I think that's a possibility.But time, time really is a
theme. With Scott getting older, what's
next for him? Nicholas having a family now,
ready to move on. McGee and Gary Lawler are out
there. Fields is so young one, an
incredible shooter, incredible cop.
There's a future for her, whatever role she plays.

(51:17):
But man, I could see her being groomed to be a Carlton group
higher up one day. I I just think there's a there's
a lot in this book that deals with the past.
There's a lot of this book whichlooks forward into the future,
but we just don't know where it's heading.
And Bob McGee sums up perfectly with a quote just about the

(51:39):
importance of time. Scott says to him.
I don't know, I'm pretty sure I could have squeezed a couple of
more years out of it had I wanted to.
Life is all about the timing, McGee remarked, his voice tinged
with quiet wisdom. Especially in this line of work,
Knowing when to step away. That's what separates the wise
from the reckless, the quick andthe dead, Harvath mused.

(52:01):
And yet here we are, no paycheck, no backup to speak of.
Just us in the ambo. So what does that make us?
Men willing to fight for what's right, even when the system
won't? That makes us men of honor, last
of the American breed. That was a good quote.
It's a great passage. That's a great one.
Wisdom bomb from Bob McGee rightthere.

(52:23):
Yeah, it leaves. It leaves a lot, like I said it
it sets this book that not only resets but also sets us up for
to be intrigued for what's to come.
Yeah. How amazing is it to have a book
that in terms of action and plotting is just a perfect easy
beach read? Then you have passages like that
with a real old timer character speaking to your protagonist.

(52:46):
Yeah, no, it's executed purple. It's everything you want, it's
everything you want in the arc of the series, and it's
everything you want to just a kick ass book of the summer.
Kick ass book. Dude, Well, I guess we'll we'll
wrap it up with a little Limerick and then we'll get on
out of here so. Sounds good, give it to me.
Operating at the edge of honor as Scott and Salvi hunt the

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bomber, president's downfall anda shadowy cub, all the
conspirators now are all goners.Nice.
There you go. I was wondering how you been
around with honor. You got bomber goner.
There you go, baby. All right, So what?
What are we doing next? Good question.

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We got to sit down. We got to take a look at the
schedule. We've been busy.
We've had a lot of different things on our mind.
One, we want to come back to essay Cosby's King of Ashes new
release couple months ago. We've talked about getting into
a couple different things like nuclear war, Annie Jacobson, a
little nonfiction kind of feel. But then we've also just wanted

(53:48):
to explore a little Steve Berry.We we loved our first Steve
Berry. I want to come back to that.
So there's a lot we can do. I think we need to sit down,
decide, but before you know it, we're going to get arcs of
denied access. Mitch Rapp's going to hit us
quick. End of next month, the Dark Wolf
TV show comes out. So we're going to go back to
some terminalist coverage. I just think we have a pack next

(54:13):
couple of months, so we might dosome little fun side adventures
and then we're definitely going to come back to Mitch Rapp in
September and before that in August.
Dark Wolf TV show is going to keep us busy.
So that's what's coming down thePike.
Definitely. I already pre-ordered our Sons
of Valor book through audible touse one of those credits.
So we have Sons of Valor 4 released on July 22nd.

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Yes, we have Supreme Justice Eric Bishop's book.
Right, let's bring him back on. Oh, and we said we want to do
Dan Brown getting ready for the next Dan Brown book.
So. Secret of secrets, yeah.
There's a lot going on. Lot, lot going on.
All right, Well, if you want to stay up up to the latest on the

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McGee. Absolutely.
I think I did this all the last time so.
Love the McGee shout.