Her Loss is Great, But God is Greater Pt. 2 | No Sanity Story - No Sanity Required

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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Hey everybody, welcome back to No Sanity
Required.
This week's episode will be thepart two to Anne's story.
If you guys haven't listened tothe part one that was posted
last week, so I highly suggestyou guys go back and listen to
that.
Super cool story this week.
Anne gets really personal andshares a lot about her personal

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life.
So one, I'm just so gratefulthat she is comfortable and
recognizes that her story will,Lord willing, be used to move
people and encourage people.
But I also know that that takesa lot of vulnerability and
boldness.
So I'm just so grateful that shewas willing to do this.
But you guys are in for a treat.

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Anne's story is just crazy.
It is so wild.
Um it is so crazy to just hearhow faithful she stayed and just
how the Lord has used her lifeand used sufferings and trials
that she's gone through.
Um so I really hope you guysenjoy.
Thanks for tuning in, andwelcome to No Sanity Required.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09):
Welcome to No Sanity Required from the Ministry of
Snowbird Wilderness Outfitters,a podcast about the Bible,
culture, and stories from aroundthe globe.

SPEAKER_06 (01:20):
Um, okay, let's go.
Let's just start with.
I'll tell you my first memory ofyour mom.
And we just when we were off airthere, we kind of just told
this, we're just gonna run thisconversation back that we just
had.
Let's just walk right backthrough that.
I remember you were probably 15.
It was probably the second yearwhen you came back, and you were

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just explaining to me thedynamic at home.

SPEAKER_04 (01:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:46):
And one piece of it around that time, your mom had
hooked up in a relationship withone of your teachers.

SPEAKER_02 (01:55):
Yeah.
Yeah, that was my senior year.

SPEAKER_06 (01:57):
So that was a couple years later.

SPEAKER_02 (01:58):
Yeah, it was my senior year.

SPEAKER_06 (01:59):
That's the first conversation I remember.
I know that prior to that I knewit was a bad situation at home,
but that's the first time I likelike when I remember back, I
remember having a conversationwith you and you were walking me
through.
Yep, my mom just shocking upwith my with my history teacher
who I found out was analcoholic.
Oh, and by the way, she didn'tcome to my graduation because he

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wasn't allowed to come.

SPEAKER_03 (02:23):
And like Yeah, pretty just okay.

SPEAKER_06 (02:26):
Was that the same guy where but it was previous to
that prior to that, there was aguy that your mom moved into the
house.

SPEAKER_03 (02:34):
Yeah, my mom got yeah, when I became a believer
my freshman year, right beforethat, my mom went on a date with
a guy named Randy.
And his two sons came over.
I was gonna watch them.
They were a couple years youngerthan me.
Then they never moved out.
And then I got over babysit, andthey never moved out.
Um it was really wild.
And um, and then I got saved.

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The Lord rescued me, and thenapparently I was just really
obnoxious about Jesus, and itput the pressure on my mom to
get married, I guess, is whatshe's what she would say.
Yeah, that's what she said.
And then she didn't get marriedto this guy, and it was just not
a healthy situation at all.
Um, he was an addict, um, and heand he there was a big strife
between him and my sister.

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Like I said, let you know, letmentioned, you know, getting a
fist fight while I was at workwith my sister, who was 14.
This was that guy.
A grown man, yes.

SPEAKER_06 (03:24):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (03:25):
And so then it would just, you know, kind of just
spiraled.
And I don't know, at some pointmy mom had had enough, they
divorced.
But then shortly after that, um,that's when my mom ends up
meeting, I meeting my historyteacher.

SPEAKER_06 (03:38):
Okay, before that, so Randy did Randy had drugs in
the house.

SPEAKER_03 (03:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He was a he was a drug user andhe was addicted to porn, and my
mom lived in such a dark space.
Like all I remember, I rememberbeing real thankfully really
involved in the church, andpeople were so gracious to come
pick me up, take me to theservices on Sundays and
Wednesdays and all of that jazz.
I and then I worked at Sonicwhen I finally got my car.

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I was working, I had school, hadchurch.
So I wasn't in the house.
I tried to stay away from thehouse as much as possible.

SPEAKER_06 (04:10):
Just go there and sleep.

SPEAKER_03 (04:11):
Yes.
And then um, but my mom, I mean,she would just be we lived in a
small house.
I think it was like 800 squarefeet.
It was not big at all.
I never saw my mom.
The door was always closed.
She just lived in a dark, heavyspace.
Um, and I mean, thinking aboutit, my mom was not, I mean, my
mom was she had me when she was20.
So I mean, she's, I don't know,34, 35, 36 in this time.

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And I'm like, now as a40-year-old woman, I'm like, she
that this is wild to me.
But yeah, so I didn't see her awhole lot.
And my sister, my sisterdesperately wanted to be seen,
to have some boundaries.
My mom was just drowning in herdarkness, and my sister followed
suit.
And my sister ended up gettinguh withdrawing from high school,
destroying her room.

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It was just like this polaropposite, like the Lord was
doing a new work in me, and thedarkness and the heaviness was
visible, um, and you could feelit in my house.
Wow.

SPEAKER_06 (05:06):
Um, with everybody.
So your mom would stay in herroom.
Yeah, Brittany had would stay inher room.
And where would these boys be?

SPEAKER_03 (05:13):
They were oh, we had a dining room that was then
converted into their space.
Yep, to their space.
And then my sister, all right,my mom gave birth to four
daughters, and the youngestdaughter named Tiffany, at in
this time, she was 12.
She came and met us for thefirst time, and then she moved
in.
And so you have I for somereason she thought the grass was
greener on the other side.

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So you have five young, it willbe five teenagers or preteens,
and these two adults who werejust, I mean, really absent and
in this tiny little house.
And it was it was really drugsand born running rampant.
Yeah.
And so it was just really, itwas just grim.
And and and you're kind of like,okay.

SPEAKER_06 (05:56):
I just and that so that ended your mom still
working at the bar.

SPEAKER_03 (06:01):
Yeah, she my mom was a labor worker.
She either, yeah, bartended orshe laid tile, or she, I mean,
she was a my mom was a hard,hard worker.

SPEAKER_06 (06:08):
I knew your mom, she was tough as nails.

SPEAKER_03 (06:09):
She was tough as nails.

SPEAKER_06 (06:10):
Girls, girls that come out of that, oh gals that
have that story, they're tough.

SPEAKER_03 (06:14):
Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 (06:15):
Like tough as nails.

SPEAKER_03 (06:17):
Yeah.
So, I mean, we're just like,okay, cool.
Like, I learned a lot from mymom in that time.
I mean, there's a lot of thingsI'm really, really grateful for.
She was resourceful.
But then you look back andyou're like, out of necessity,
you know, in like a real yeah,survival mode type of space.
And so I don't know.

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It was, I mean, it was short.
I mean, there was not really alot of downtime between
relationships for my mom.
I think about the woman at thewell a lot when I I think about
my mom when I read that story,you know, just like survival.
Um, but then this like saviorcomplex, my mom was so hurt and
so broken and felt abandoned.
She did whatever she could totry and fix that for these men.

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But I think, but again, at thecost of, I mean, her own
well-being, but then herdaughters.
I mean, myself and my sisterreally, I mean, as a grown woman
looking back, and now as a mom,I have a deep compassion for my
mom.
You know, I remember even beforehaving children, I was like,
she's a woman first, and she isnot intentionally trying to hurt

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me, but and she lived a sadstory, but it wasn't until
recently I was like, she didlive a sad story.
But my story, like I lived thatsame story, and it was really
heavy, um, really sad, actually.
Um and so yeah, then she endedup again, like real short time
period, and then she's in a newrelationship and with your
teacher, with my teacher.

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Wow.
Who just really um I mean, it'sone thing to be in a
relationship with yourdaughter's teacher, but then for
the teacher, it was just nothandled well at all.
My mom disappeared.
She went and lived like a fairytale life with him, with him and
his daughter.
She was seven.
So they'd like to go to the fairand she'd talk so highly about

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this little girl and just leftyou and your siblings.
Yep, me and my sister at thehouse.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (08:10):
Um Diffany was gone by the way.

SPEAKER_03 (08:12):
Tiffany was gone.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (08:13):
She went back.

SPEAKER_03 (08:13):
Yeah, she went back.
She realized the grass was notgreener.
This ain't what I signed up for.
This is dog eat dog world.
What in the world?
Um, and so I remember my I hadto reach out to my grandfather
because the house we were livingin, my gramps had purchased um
for us to live in for me to havea space to stay in my whole
senior, my whole high schooltime.

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Because between kindergarten andeighth grade, I think I counted,
we moved 14 times, whether itwas in and out of house, my
going to my grandson's house,this house, I mean, 14 times.
And we were not a militaryfamily.
It was just unstable.
And I mean, my grandfather wasan interesting fellow himself,
but I was I'm super gratefulthat he made that concerted

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effort to say, a little bit ofstability.
I'm gonna buy this house, yourmom can rent it from me.
And I mean, as soon as Igraduated, it was sold.
But I'm really thankful for thatbecause of who knows what would
have happened.
And so I had the same space forall four years.
Um, oh so my gramps, I remembercalling my senior year and being
like, Gramps, we don't have anygroceries.

SPEAKER_06 (09:14):
Because it was just you and Brittany living.

SPEAKER_03 (09:15):
Just me and my sister.
And then some of my sisters, mysister had dropped out of high
school.

SPEAKER_06 (09:19):
My mom's like 16, you were 17, 18.

SPEAKER_03 (09:22):
And um, my mom had signed a signed to let her drop
out.
So my, I was yeah, telling likemy my uh sister had a couple of
other friends who dropped out.
One of the girls had a littlebaby, and I remember very
clearly she's giving this babyMountain Dew in a bottle.
Um, and you're like, what isgoing on?
And so my grandps gave us somegroceries and my youth pastor.

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Um there's like four months ofbacked up um electric bills, and
it was really dysfunctional too,because my mom's credit was
terrible.
And so, like, the electric billwas in my name.
You know, I remember gettingmail and like, oh, I got some
mail.
And you're like, Oh, that's theelectric bill.
But so Joe, I mean the church orJoe, I don't know who, but Joe

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Strange made sure to get ourelectric bill paid off so we
could have some electricity.
And I mean, I so I could finishout my senior year, and um, and
I remember um, yeah, like Brodyhad referenced the uh the story
of of uh my mom not really beingpresent for my graduation
because we had gone on thesenior trip and my coach Watson

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had been on that trip and yourmom's boyfriend is one of your
chaperones on your senior trip.
Yeah, my mom had given him theelectric bill money so he could
have some cash for the I had topay for my whole trip and he got
drunk on the plane there and waspretty absent the whole time.
And so there was some the schoolreprimanded him and told him he
couldn't be a part of thegraduation ceremony.

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I just broke my mom's heart somuch that she wasn't present for
my graduation.
It was just a it's just a wildride.
And you know, I was telling youat lunch, I'm just even thinking
about it now, like when meetingmy meeting my dad, which I never
thought would happen when I was20, and then how that innate
desire to be told that you'rebeautiful from your dad, that

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you mattered to your dad, itjust kind of started to well up.
And how the Lord met me in thatspace with such a kindness by
leading me to the orphanage,orphanage Emmanuel for that that
year.
Um, the first time.

SPEAKER_06 (11:21):
How long did you stay down there?

SPEAKER_03 (11:22):
Well, I was only went for the trip with our trip.
With your trip.
Yeah, because I mean RachelRoberts had been down there and
she had been there for a littlebit and we brought her home.
But I just went to three days orsomething.
Yeah, I just went for that weekor two, whatever long we were.
And the Lord meeting me in thatspace, just affirming for me,
like I may never hear it from mydad verbally, but my heavenly
father genuinely loves me.

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Like he he affirmed that in me.
And when I got back from thattrip, I got the news my dad had
passed away and I would neverhear it.
And so then you like in the samesort of situation with my mom,
like this longing, this longingto be cared for and to be
acknowledged by my mom, youknow, and she'd abandoned me,
but then as I said, like she's awoman first, she's a dark life.

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Um, I don't know, it's just wildwalking through.

SPEAKER_01 (12:08):
A couple things.
How was your relationship withBritney, your sister, yeah, and
all this, like in high school,in the same house living polar.

SPEAKER_03 (12:18):
Well, I I was the maternal figure.
Okay.
I was like the phoenix comingout of the the ashes sort of
deal.
Like, wow, you have like yourlife is so different than ours,

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and we're so proud of you.
And then came really seriousenvy, you know, where it's like
they they begrudged me.

SPEAKER_06 (12:45):
Oh, you think you're better than us.

SPEAKER_03 (12:47):
Yes, 100%.

SPEAKER_06 (12:48):
Because you accomplished a lot, and I mean
we won't have time to go intothe the part of the story where
you got a degree from a likeamazing and reputable uh
university, and then worked fora while in a career field that
was crazy.
Yeah.
Like, you know, you're aprofessional at a high level.

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I mean, it's not just yousurvived, it's you thrived.

SPEAKER_01 (13:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (13:14):
Vocationally, educationally, ministry,
spiritually.
I mean, you're not just like asuccess story, you're a picture
of what happens when the Lordtakes a person's brokenness,
puts it together, and says, No,yeah, I'm not bound by man's
rules here.
I'm not bound by societalconstructs.
I do what I want to.

SPEAKER_04 (13:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (13:35):
I do exactly what I want to.
And when when God does that in aperson's life, people are gonna
hate you for it.

SPEAKER_04 (13:42):
It's true.

SPEAKER_06 (13:43):
And your sister's resentment of you is because of
God's favor on you.
It's true.
And if Christians can acceptthat, they won't get so pissed
at people hating them for beingChristians.
Yeah.
They'll just let it go.
Yeah.
And they'll remember Jesus isthe one that said, the world's
gonna hate you because they hateme.

SPEAKER_04 (14:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (14:04):
And and and sometimes I get I get confused,
or maybe not confused is not theright word, but when when we are
ostracized or persecuted orhated for Jesus' namesake, it's
a fulfillment of a prophecy hemade.
And and their resentment of youcame because of God's favor on

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you.

SPEAKER_04 (14:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (14:28):
And because of your because you can't just say this
is where the tension exists.
It's not just, well, God's givenme favor.
Yes, he has, and then you'vebeen faithful.
The favor of God and thefaithfulness of man in our
imperfection, that's powerful,but it always brings persecution
or resentment or whatever.
The more you succeed, the morepeople you're gonna have that

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are gonna resent you.
And when you succeed, airquotes, when you succeed
spiritually and you become astrong person with constitution
and emotional stability andphysical strength and spiritual
strength and psychologicalstability and all those things,
people don't know what to dowith that.

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You know, and there well, I sawit firsthand.
There was a lot of resentment.

SPEAKER_04 (15:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (15:15):
There really was.
Um but but he didn't, I mean,that cat got didn't get to come
to graduation.
Because he was drinking on, hewas boozing up on the senior
trip.

SPEAKER_03 (15:28):
Yes, and then I had to like contend with again like
a different type, uh justanother reminder of like the
absence or abandonment, youknow, the reality of that.

SPEAKER_06 (15:36):
Where I'm like your mom didn't come to your
graduation.

SPEAKER_03 (15:38):
No, she was so she was just so grieved that he
couldn't come.
He couldn't come.
And and so it's been interestingkind of navigating that too,
where it's like kind of thesweetness of the reminder of my
identity.
Like the Lord has, like the Lordhas bought me, like the I belong
to the Lord and the abandonmentstuff is very real, but then it

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gives a different, differentperspective to my presence
within my own home with mychildren now, you know, and and
again, a compassion.
There's there is a compassionateside of me when it comes to
looking at my story and my momand a gratitude for how
different, I mean, how differentmy life is, even from the

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community of people around me,the resources that I have.
Um, again, obviously my hope inJesus, you know, like where am I
what am I hanging my hat on?
And that coming like the reallife tangible expression of
that.
Not again, not Christianese, notbecause I should, but like how
it's lived, you know, how it'sbeen lived out in my life.

SPEAKER_01 (16:43):
Would you say when your mom had different guys in
and out of the house and youtalked about like that longing
for like a father figure?
Yeah, would you say you likesought that in them or were you
kind of like standing off?
Yeah.
No, I didn't never uh she hadher head screwed on a ride.

SPEAKER_06 (17:01):
She was tough.
Anne was tough like as a 10th,11th, 12th grader.
Yeah.
You're like, dang, this kid, theLord gave you a like just a
strength.

SPEAKER_03 (17:10):
Yeah.
Yeah, I didn't look to thoseguys.
I thankfully and I didn't lookto thankfully did not look to my
male peers either.
Like I was just, I mean, yeah,praise the Lord.
I mean, truly, the fact thatwhen I got married at 30, I was
a virgin.
Hunter and I didn't kiss eachother to our wedding day.
Like the Lord, I mean, just likeset me apart.

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I'm like, I my mom had her firstchild when she was 14.
Wow.
Right.
I mean, that's I have an auntwho is a great grandma and she's
in her 60s.
You know, you're like, you're agreat grandma.
You're in your 60s.
I mean, start early.
Like the yeah, the legacy of theof the women in my family is not

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was not looking really hopeful.

SPEAKER_01 (17:53):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (17:54):
Again, it's like the Lord, seriously, take you from
the Myri clay, put your feet onsolid rock.
There is a new family lineagecoming out between my hunt, my
my husband Hunter, and myself,like totally new branches for a
new family tree.
Yeah.
Which I have to be reallycareful not to feel the pressure
to, it's not my job to make thatgrow.

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But I have such resolve in mebecause hell or high water, we
will not walk through that stuffagain.
I won't, I don't want toreplicate it.
But the Lord's like, it's notyour job to do, like, I'm doing
the work.
Like there's a passage in Isaiahwhere it's like, do you not
perceive it?
I'm doing a new work, likebringing water to the wasteland.

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Like I'm and I'm like, it'strue.
Like the Lord is.
Me getting up every morning tomake breakfast for my family.
That's the water, that's theriver in the wasteland.

unknown (18:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (18:50):
I didn't have anybody waking me up to make me
anything.
I had to wake up, get us readyfor school, figure out if we're
gonna eat something, if there'sanything to eat.
I don't know.
Yeah, me being present in myhome and those very simple ways
that people could overlook, theLord's like, that's the new
work.
That is gonna impactgenerations.
I'm doing that in you for yourchildren, for your children's

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children.
This is the stuff that matters.
And it feels so menial, but I'mlike, but it's it's it's
meaningful.
If I look back at my past and mymom's past and my grandmother's
past, my grandmother's marriedlike 10 times.
She died in her 60s.
You know, it's like, what in theworld?
Yeah, but the Lord's like, no, Ihave picked you up to put you on

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solid rock, and that's what Ican stand on, truly.
And again, it's not of my owndoing.
There is a there is a act ofwalking in obedience, but the
Lord is speaking to me.
He's the one that's directing mypath.
So yeah, it's been yeah, I'm I'mglad I did not, I I where I

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would have potentially put myhope in was academics.
My grandfather was not abeliever, um and he made a lot
of money.
So I have my grandfather whomade a lot of money, like a
$10,000 dining room table.
I'm like, who cares about adining room table?
My mom who's scraping stufftogether.
I mean, basically doingcompromising stuff to just get

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some food on the table.
And I'm in the middle where I'mlike, I don't want to pursue the
riches of the world and berelationally dead, but I don't
want to be over here you know,scrounging and and trying to my
hardest to kind of figure thingsout and be emotionally erect.
I'm like, Lord, where do youhave me?
You know, and just just the Lordbeing like, I was like, I'm

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gonna be a doctor, I'm gonnamake a lot of money because I'd
rather live my grandfather'slife than my mom's life in some
ways.
But even then, like seeing whenI graduated from college, the
Lord, and I was gonna pursuemedical school.
The Lord's like, no, he put mein a put me in a family to
nanny, and he spoke to me andhe's like, I don't have this for
you.
Like I have something different.
And then I end up and my lifelooks so different.

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But it was like, it's not abouthanging my hat on my academic
achievements to make money.
Money is my security.
It's like the Lord's like, I amyour security.
Anyhow, it's just reallyfascinating to look back.

SPEAKER_01 (21:14):
Yeah, yeah.
I also, I mean, me and Ann haveonly known each other for like
an hour.
Yeah, but I I think it's so coolseeing like, like even just
hearing your story, thinking ofthe many things that you could
have hung your head on or couldhave gone down that path or
whatever.
And it's just really cool to seelike no, you you hung your head
on the Lord through all of this,and the Lord has blessed that,

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like Brady was talking about.
But I just think that's reallycool and encouraging, hopefully,
for our listeners to be like,man, she has pretty much been
through everything you can thinkof, like truly crazy things.
And like, I think sometimes alot of people will be like,
Well, I've been through this, sothat's why I did I acted like
this, or that's why I left thefaith for 10 years or whatever.

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Yeah, and it's like soencouraging to that you're
sitting here and being like, No,I've been through it all, and I
still am like I know that theLord is faithful.
Like, he plucked me from theclay, put me on solid ground.
I just think that's so cool, soencouraging.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (22:13):
When your uh when your dad reached out, he
actually just came to my house.
Um, had you had never talked tohim, never met him, didn't know
him.
So one Sunday morning, what yearwas that?
2010?

SPEAKER_03 (22:30):
I was 20.
It was 2005.
It was 2005.

SPEAKER_06 (22:34):
Oh, it was that early.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (22:36):
Yeah, it was 2005.

SPEAKER_06 (22:37):
Oh, yeah, because I lived up McClellan Creek.

SPEAKER_03 (22:39):
Yeah, and the coop was being built.

SPEAKER_06 (22:41):
And he so I one Sunday morning at the end of a
week of camp, in between weeksof camp, I was sitting in my re
I was reading.
Everybody was asleep.
My kids were little.
Little was about eight monthspregnant with Laley, if it was
oh five.
Yeah.
And and I remember this dudecoming to my door, his face was

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disfigured, yeah because he hadhad surgery like throat cancer,
which eventually killed him.

SPEAKER_03 (23:12):
It did.

SPEAKER_06 (23:12):
And then taking like part of his throat, his jaw was
gone, and I had a hard timeunderstanding him.
But he came to my door and Iwent out there, and he said, I'm
I'm Ann Tully's biologicalfather, and I and somebody had
given him my address.

SPEAKER_03 (23:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (23:31):
Which thank God into my house.

SPEAKER_03 (23:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (23:35):
And I said, Well, let's go.
And I and I remember thinking,should I just run this dude off?
But I knew we had talked aboutthis.
Me and you had talked aboutthis, and I knew you you would
have been mad if I'd have sentthat guy away like you wanted to
meet him, but not on those termsthat day, kind of it's like,
okay, here we are.
Let's just do it.
And so I I just remember goingand running the bedroom and

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telling little, hey, Ann Tully'sdad's on our porch.
I'm gonna take him down there tomeet her.
And I'm just I said, I don'tknow when I'll be back.
I might be gone a while.
I'm I'm because I'm not gonnaleave him alone, you know.
And so I took him down to campand you met your dad.
I don't I mean, on a Sundaymorning, a rainy Sunday morning,
had no idea it was coming.

unknown (24:15):
Nope.

SPEAKER_06 (24:16):
And y'all sat down and I and I went and set an
earshot and eyesight, and hedidn't know I was there at
first, I don't think, but I justhung out there.

SPEAKER_03 (24:25):
Yep.

SPEAKER_06 (24:25):
And y'all talked three or four hours.

SPEAKER_03 (24:27):
Yep.

SPEAKER_06 (24:27):
And then he left and died a year and a half later.

SPEAKER_03 (24:30):
Yeah, that was the last time I saw the first and
last time I saw him.
And I was like though, I yeah, Iwas 20 and I had it was not on
my radar at all.
I mean, I knew two things aboutmy dad.
He was 6'5 and his name.
That was it.
And then my my mom went toIndiana while I was at staff
training and found him and toldhim that I was his daughter, and

(24:51):
I finally got some pictures ofhim.
I saw my very first visual of mydad in the metal building
offices via an email, like ascanned picture.
I was like, oh wow, and I looklike my dad.
And then two weeks later, I getwoken up on a Sunday morning.
I think Hank is the one thatcalled me.

SPEAKER_06 (25:09):
Hank Azul.

SPEAKER_03 (25:10):
Yes.

SPEAKER_06 (25:11):
And people here would know Hank Parker, who's on
our staff.
Oh, yeah, Hank Gazel.
Hank Gazoo.

SPEAKER_03 (25:16):
Yeah, he he woke me up and said, Brody, Brody met
your dad and he's kind orwhatever.
And I'm like, what in the world?
Like it was not on my radar atall.
It just showed up.
So he pulled up in his red DodgeDakota, put my hand through the
passenger window, shake, I shookhis hand.
I'm like, you must be Eric.
I'm Ann.
Nice to meet you.

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We sat and I was in a big oldbowl of lucky charms because we
had the cereal and thedispensers, you know, that's
what we would eat sometimes.
And yeah, I just sat.
It was the week before Father'sDay.
I remember that on the bottompart of the coop, rainy and and
just talking, like you said, itwas really hard to understand
him.
Um, but I was hanging on everyword, taking it in.

(25:58):
And then after he left, I was soconfused.
I was like, this is I'm not evensure I want, like, did I want
this?
You know, it was so strange.
Because I just lived lifewithout knowing my dad.
And the curiosity of him wasthere, but now he's here.
And what do I do with that?
What do I make sense of?
And that's when I said, like,you know, that stirring in me to

(26:19):
hear him affirm me.
I'm like, this guy is astranger, but it's like evidence
of the way that we're created,you know, like and and and like
the importance of healthyfamilial roles, a mother and a
father living together, unified,and raising their children with
their love as the unified front,you know, like it's affirming

(26:39):
there's like something in us theway God has created us, that
that's it's a good, beneficialthing.
And when it's messed with, man,it can really mess people up.
And so I'm like contending withthis, and then my dad's family,
I would get the Lord wouldaffirm it like he has a bigger
purpose.
And it's not even just about me.
I'm a that may have donesomething really important for
my dad that I will never know.

(27:00):
I mean, he drove all the wayfrom Indiana on a random Sunday.
It mattered to him somewhat, youknow.
So anyway, just this reminderthat it's not just about your
insular experience, but likewe're all connected and I don't
know what God's doing.
And he's totally comfortablewith me coming to him, trying to
make sense of it, but then alsojust kind of coming to terms

(27:23):
with I don't know the innerworkings of everything.
And that may not have been evenbeen about me.
It could have been aboutsomething for him or his family,
because I would get lettersrandomly during the summer from
like his aunt just welcoming meto the family when I'd be like,
What in the world am I doing?
Why did and it's like we welcometo the family.
I'm like, okay, Lord, thank youfor that affirmation that this

(27:44):
wasn't some random thing thatnow I have to work through, but
it had there's purpose to it.
So yeah, it was really wild.
I mean, crazy, really wild.

SPEAKER_06 (27:54):
I mean, I've had a lot of crazy things happen in my
life and ministry, especially.
And that's I mean, that's on thelist at the top of the list.
It's crazy.
And that dude showed up on myporch.

SPEAKER_01 (28:03):
Yeah.
Well, also, they told me earlierthat uh this guy calls Brody and
is like, hey, would there be atime I can meet with you?
I'm Ann's biological father orwhatever.
And Brody's like, Yeah, man,just come to my house.
Shows up 15 minutes later.

SPEAKER_06 (28:20):
Yeah, I'm thinking, like, we'll plan a time.
No, he just shows up, which iscrazy.

SPEAKER_01 (28:25):
It's already in town.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (28:26):
But I wasn't about to tell him where she I knew he
couldn't find her.
I knew he couldn't find herbecause you're at camp.
There's one address to all thosebuildings, and you come to my
house, and my man showed up.

SPEAKER_01 (28:38):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (28:39):
Showed up.
I was like, oh, okay, brother.

SPEAKER_01 (28:42):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (28:43):
Yeah, let's go down.

SPEAKER_05 (28:44):
Let's go.

SPEAKER_01 (28:45):
Crazy.

SPEAKER_06 (28:46):
But then I mean, y'all talk I three, four hours
at my stay, I didn't goanywhere.
And yeah, I remember I was like,Dang, oh, I'm hungry.
But I don't know.
And I remember like, it soundslike everything's okay down
there, and I'm gonna slip downthe metal building, get me a
little Debbie.
Went in there and got mesomething to eat, snook back up.

SPEAKER_04 (29:08):
That's funny.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (29:09):
Man, it's crazy.
Um the last thing then uh thatwas in 05.
He died in 06, and then your momdied about nine years later.

SPEAKER_03 (29:21):
Um, she died in 2012, November 9th of 2012.

SPEAKER_06 (29:24):
It was 2012.
Oh wow, I thought it was 2015.
No, okay, it was 2012.
And so it was closer togetherthan I realized six years later,
and she's 48.

SPEAKER_03 (29:36):
Yep, she was 48.
And uh just really crazy becauseI'm 40.
I'm like, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_06 (29:41):
Yeah, it's weird when you it's weird when you get
so I'll be next year I'll be mydad's age.
Yeah.
You remember when my dad died,and I'll be his age next next
year that he was when he died.
And one thing, Ann, I want tosay before we the last thing I
want to do is I want to coveryour mom's story.
Uh the story of how your mompassed and the way that all.
Went down.
And then I won't celebrate whereGod's got you now.

SPEAKER_04 (30:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (30:04):
I mean you're flourishing, you know?
Yeah.
Like I said, you're notsurviving, you're thriving.

SPEAKER_04 (30:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (30:10):
And and you did there's so many things we're not
touching on.
You did some cool things.
Yeah.
But we got to touch on yourhawking career.
Sure.
But then also, I mean, you movedto Montana and worked.
What was that thing you workedin Montana?
I didn't know I did.
Nursing home or something?

SPEAKER_03 (30:25):
Oh, Wyoming.
The mental health hospital.

SPEAKER_06 (30:27):
You worked at a mental health hospital in
Wyoming.

SPEAKER_03 (30:30):
State Mental Health Hospital.

SPEAKER_06 (30:32):
And worked at the state mental institution in
Wyoming.
And then somewhere near.

SPEAKER_03 (30:37):
Let me tell you, let me tell you, listen, listen,
well, my mom, we had my 92 nieceon stanza.
We called her Stangela and hadit packed to the brim.
My mom drove with me fromSavannah.

SPEAKER_06 (30:50):
Is that 09?

SPEAKER_03 (30:51):
That was in 10?
No, it was 07.
Okay.
It was 07, I believe.

SPEAKER_06 (30:58):
After summer?

SPEAKER_03 (31:00):
Yeah, it was the fall.
We drove to Wyoming.
Yeah, to Wyoming.
Stangela.
And Stanela.
92 Nissan Stanza.
Go look it up.
It's not an impressive car.
I love that car.

SPEAKER_06 (31:10):
Rob had one.
Okay.
There we go.

SPEAKER_03 (31:12):
There you go.
So we're going, we're going.
And I'm getting um going throughorientation and things like
that.
I start having groups, you know,where I'm seeing these.
There's it's an on-campusfacility.
So you have like inpatientfacility.
They had a criminal justicefacility, which was, I was gonna
say, you know, whacking.
People ain't just crazy, they'llkill you.

(31:33):
And they, yes, they will.
And then I had the um extendedpsych services, and that's the
population I I worked with, butthey lived there on campus.
A lot of them did.
Anyway, I remember where myfacility I stayed on campus, and
where the walkway for the forthe people who live there, they
were the patients, they'll walkoff to go because they couldn't

(31:54):
smoke on campus.
They had to go right outside thefence.
Well, my walkway to my place Istayed was right there.
So I was interfacing with thesepeople, which are awesome.
They're people first, but theyalso have mental health, you
know, uh diagnoses.
So I remember my mom was asmoker.
So she, when she was there withme for a couple of days, she'd

(32:15):
be on the at the wall smokingwith these people, telling them
all kinds of stuff about me.
So I'd be in group, likefacilitating a group, and
they're telling me stuff aboutmy life.
Oh my goodness.
I'm like, mom, you cannot tellthem.
And one guy called me GeorgeAnn.
He'd he'd walk by, he's like,hey, George Ann.
And I'm like, hey, whatever.

(32:36):
And they they throw random factsout.
I'm like, you've got to stoptelling people my personal
information, mom.
Like, these are not your, theseare not your.
This is a professional settingfor me.
This is not a person.

SPEAKER_06 (32:49):
I went to four years at a university to have this
job.

SPEAKER_03 (32:53):
Yes.
So I was just, I mean, but thatwas my mom's personality.
She loved people, she lovedbeing around people.
She was easy to be around.
She was.
I she was just fun.
I mean, I I think, yeah, she wasvery likable.
And I, when I think about mymom, I just had there is a
sweetness and a fondness.
I don't remember her as an angryperson.

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She could have been reallyangry.
She was, and she was just reallyenjoyable to be around.
Like I think all the all myfriends just really enjoyed
being around her because she waseasy to be around.
She just she loved people.
She really did love people, andshe didn't care.
There was like whether you madea ton of money or no money,
whether you were crazy or not.
She was gonna friend you andshow you that she cared because

(33:37):
she really did care.
And I admire that about my momfor sure.
But I I remember like, mom, stopit.
Stop telling them about me.

SPEAKER_06 (33:45):
Anyway, but you didn't stay out there long.

SPEAKER_03 (33:47):
No, I wasn't out there very long.
I was out there for maybe yeah,a semester, six months, and and
then I came back.

SPEAKER_06 (33:56):
You came back and took a a front office job.

SPEAKER_03 (33:58):
Oh, yeah.
Well then I hiked the AT.
And then yes, I worked in theoffice.
Yeah, I guess I worked in theoffice when I got back from the
AT.
Yeah, yep, yep.
Did that for a little bit andthen um tried to do an old
school semester, but then nokids signed up with Mark
Manning.
Yep, yeah.
I was like, I want to do this,but then no one signed up.

(34:19):
So then it was postponed.
Then I ended up getting um oh,and then oh, I went to Peru.
I lived in Peru.
Yeah, I did with the IMB.
Yeah, I went to Kansas City.
That was a very spontaneousthing.
I feel like a movie needs to bemade.

SPEAKER_01 (34:34):
Like I need a documentary style movie of your
life.

SPEAKER_03 (34:38):
Because I was what I wanted to do old school and then
no one signed up, and then I gotthis random call because LJ had
told somebody they called andsaid, Hey, our semester's
already started, but would youwant to come and be a leader?
And I'm like, what?
And it was it was a it was a oneof the most spur-of-the-moment
decisions.
So I moved loaded up Stangilaand then drove.

SPEAKER_06 (34:56):
Was Scott who was in charge of that?

SPEAKER_03 (34:58):
Who yeah, Scott Bronner?
But and Sean, uh Sean Brantgum.
He was and so then um four and ahalf months in Kansas City, and
then my crew went to Peru andshared the gospel um in the
jungles and on the coast.
We did eat coy, yeah, guineapigs.
Yep.

SPEAKER_06 (35:14):
And uh I don't remember if it was a letter from
you or where we had a it wasback then it was hard to talk on
the phone, but I remember you'relike, Well, guinea pig ain't
bad.

SPEAKER_03 (35:24):
Yeah, yep.
And so then that was a greatexperience.
It came back and then it was umthen that's when I led old
school.
No, no, no.
What oh, and then I worked.

SPEAKER_06 (35:35):
When when did you through hawk the next time?

SPEAKER_03 (35:38):
The PCT in 2012, but I'm trying to figure out oh, I
was trying to decide if I wasgonna go do if I was gonna do a
second year of fusion or if Iwas gonna stay here and work.
And I stayed here to work.
I I remember having aconversation at your house off
of McClellan Creek outside, andI do believe I was probably

(35:58):
supposed to go back to fusion,and I made a decision because of
a dude sitting around the firethat I Yeah, I remember that.
And that was I thought he wasgonna stay, and he didn't.
And I stayed.

SPEAKER_06 (36:10):
Don't stay for a boy.

SPEAKER_03 (36:12):
Nope.
And the Lord redeems all things,but I remember serving the Lord,
doing his thing.
Yes, yeah, but it but it's likeI don't remember, but again, so
then I'm here and uh felt likethe Lord was stirring in me
because I had just started likereally getting in the word and
like I had unfinished businessfrom the from the AT, like
sharing the gospel.
I mean, like AT hiker, the hikercommunity was my people group.

(36:36):
I mean, I love it's just a levelplaying field.
And um, so I remember my backwas out and I was sitting, I was
in your office, I was doingwork, but I had to lay on the
ground and like put my legs upand like type on the computer,
and I'm having a conversation inyour office because I was like,
I think I'm gonna go do the PCT,but I can't even walk.
But I'm like, I'm gonna do thePCT and it was like your
blessing or whatever.

(36:56):
And we've talked through it alittle bit, and you asked me,
like, why not do the AT again?

SPEAKER_06 (37:00):
or Because I didn't understand the hawking world.
Yeah, it is a world, it is aworld explaining that to me.

SPEAKER_03 (37:07):
Yeah, and it's like, you know, if uh because they say
you don't do two hikes, you doone or three.
And I'm like, I have unfinishedbusiness, and if I get to, if I
go do the PCT, I feel like theLord will either affirm for me
this is what I have for you, orhe's gonna say, Oh, no, no, no,
like don't do that.
The PCT was a very lonely hikefor me, but personally,

(37:28):
spiritually, it was the richest.
The word of God came to lifebecause I didn't have other
distractions.
It was incredible.
I mean, it was a war.
I mean, it was there's so muchto say about it.
Anyhow, the Lord affirmed, like,that's go do the CDT.
Because I was like, uh how I'llhave rapport with people with
the hiking community.
I do all three.

(37:48):
I'm a triple crowner.
It's a very small number ofpeople.
I was one of the first 250people to do the triple crown,
and I was like, that gives me afoot in to actually connect with
people.

SPEAKER_06 (37:58):
What the the AT is 2200?

SPEAKER_03 (38:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (38:02):
The PCT is 2600.

SPEAKER_03 (38:04):
Yep.

SPEAKER_06 (38:05):
What is the Continental Divide Trail?

SPEAKER_03 (38:07):
30, 3100.

SPEAKER_06 (38:08):
And it's the one that runs through Colorado.

SPEAKER_03 (38:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (38:11):
Runs Canada to Mexico.

SPEAKER_03 (38:12):
Yes, it's intense.
That's crazy.
Yeah, it's intense.
I did all three.
It is all day.

SPEAKER_06 (38:20):
You remember me telling you that story about
when I was section hiking withEric Bath and that guy committed
suicide?

SPEAKER_05 (38:26):
Oh.

SPEAKER_06 (38:27):
Remember this?
So the the reason I bring it upis it's such a ministry.
Well, you get out there and yourealize a bunch of people out
here soul searching.
Absolutely.
I went I hiked one littlesection with Eric Bath.
When Eric through hiked, he camewhen he came through here, and
I've done this with severalpeople, several males.

SPEAKER_02 (38:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (38:46):
And I jumped on the trail with him at Fontana Dam, I
think, and did the 70 milesthrough the smokies.

SPEAKER_04 (38:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (38:54):
And I think Little met us at Newfound Gap, and we
got some food or whatever, andand we'd done two days to get to
there, and then we did, youknow, then we went to Davenport
Gap and we were we were campingin Davenport Gap.
We're staying at a sheltersomewhere through there, and I
had walked with this guy allday, and his he caught his call
sign or trail his trail name wasthe general.

SPEAKER_04 (39:16):
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (39:16):
And he was like 38 years old.
He was a courier in Washington,D.C.
Yeah.
From high school.
He had gotten a job being acourier, and that's all he'd
ever done.
38, having an early midlifecrisis, very existential crisis,
and didn't just didn't, what'sthe meaning of life?
And he was out there throughhiking.
And I shared the gospel with himwhile we walked, and we sat that

(39:39):
evening and ate our mountainhouse or our ramen or whatever.
And we had a long conversation.
Several other guys around, butme and him ended up off to the
side talking.
He broke, he wept, he said, Ineed Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 (39:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (39:53):
And then he said, Not not now.

SPEAKER_04 (40:02):
Wow.

SPEAKER_06 (40:03):
Because I thought, I remember thinking, you know,
when you're when you're inChrist, when you've done
ministry and you've led peopleto Christ, I guess that's the
best way to word it.
You know, in student ministry,we see it happen where a kid
receives Christ, right?
And you can watch them takingthose final steps.
You're like, oh, this is gettingready to happen.
Yeah.
This is I'm getting ready towatch regeneration occur.

(40:23):
I felt that with that guy.
I'm like, where this ishappening.

SPEAKER_04 (40:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (40:27):
And he got to a point where he said, Man, I need
to sleep on this.
I want I we're gonna we're gonnabe walking together all day
tomorrow.
I need to think about this.
And then at night we slept, wentto bed.
Uh his shelter was kind ofpacked, or six or eight people
slammed in there.
It was real cold.

SPEAKER_04 (40:43):
It was yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (40:44):
And the next day we hiked and and he was still
pretty open, but that moment hadpassed.
And uh about two weeks later, hegot to um he got to Damascus,
Virginia, uh-huh, jumped off thetrail, and killed himself in a
motel.
And it's it's that story is whatmotivates my urgency for the
gospel.
Absolutely.

(41:04):
It's like to see someone getthat close and and then not but
I bring that up to say you'renot just out there vacation
hiking.

SPEAKER_03 (41:13):
Oh, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_06 (41:13):
There's ministry out there like there's ministry
nowhere.

SPEAKER_03 (41:16):
Oh, absolutely.
Well, because again, like allthe distractions, everything is
taken away.
It's a level playing field.
You're walking the same terrainin the same weather, but you
know, bearing the same load andand and just moving forward.
Like the goal is the same to getto the northern terminus, but
the process, I mean, it's realpersonal and um you connect very
quickly with people.

(41:37):
And that on the PCT inparticular, the Lord was like,
you do not have to referencescripture for it to be valid.
You have honest and authenticconversation with people and you
share the word and it will notgo void.
And it you talked about likefeeling like out of persecuted
or or ridiculed or mocked orwhatever.
And it was like, yeah, the Imean, it was so interesting some

(41:57):
of the false accusations thatcame about, like with me, and
like really ridiculous thingslike Anne likes to get drunk and
have sex with people, which isthe farthest thing from the
truth, right?
But people were trying to rileme up because they knew that I
loved Jesus, but also it wasn'tit would it wasn't it was it's
authentic to who I am.
Like I want to hear your story,and anytime there's opportunity

(42:20):
for me to share my story, whichis my as a God's story, then I
would share it.
But like out of a genuine desireto connect, not out of a task.
I'm out here to evangelize,check.
I shared the Romans Road, check.
No, it was like sharing lifewith these people because that
there's power in that.
And so, but because of it, I didhave some very legit opposition.

(42:43):
And the Lord's just reminding melike you walk faithfully, like I
it's not my job to defendmyself.
I live faithfully.
The Lord goes before me andshare the truth and and don't be
weird about it.
Like, don't be weird about it.
Um, and and it's reallyincredible because I have since,
I mean, there were no like Ididn't walk anyone to, you know,

(43:05):
the sinner's prayer while I wason the trail, but I still am
deeply connected with the peoplethat I hiked with.
And since then, I did have a guynamed Dada.
He called me and he um the CDT,I hiked with him, and he was
always trying to walk me intocontroversial conversations.
And uh, I could just, you know,I pr I knew what he was doing.
And I would humor him a littlebit, but also not follow for the

(43:26):
trap.
But he called me like two yearslater and he he thanked me for
being so faithful and beingtrue, and he had given his life
to the Lord, which wasincredible.
Wow, you know, and I'm like,thank you, Lord.
Like again, if my eyes are fixedon Jesus, then I can navigate
that opposition.
If my eyes are fixed on gainingthe favor of man, that would

(43:48):
have screwed me up big time whenI was hiking.
Because some of the stuff thatwas said about me, I was like,
this is really kind ofunnerving.
But the Lord's been like, youjust walk faithfully.

SPEAKER_06 (43:56):
He had me out there to connect with people, and so
what year was the CDC?

SPEAKER_01 (44:02):
CDT was uh um 2014.
Yep.
I was about to say, I told youearlier that my dad section
hikes the AT.
And I went on like a fewsections with him when I was
younger, and this is a funnystory, but we finished I think
we it was like a long weekendfor me.
I was in middle school, I waslike in sixth grade.

(44:24):
So I went with my dad allweekend.
It was like in maybe October orNovember, so kind of cold.
Yeah, and then my mom's supposedto pick us up somewhere,
probably around this area, likea windy mountain, yeah.
At a at a trailhead, she'ssupposed to pick us up, and I
don't know what happened.
She is lost in the mountains,like on these back roads.
So, like, she's supposed to pickus up at like two or something.

(44:47):
At this point, it's like 5 p.m.
The sun is going down, she'snowhere to be seen.
I'm freezing cold, like12-year-old me.
I'm like just wanting all Iwanted was chocolate milk.
That's all I can remember.
All weekend I've been in thewoods with my dad.
It was fun, but I was done.
And my mom is not coming, andI'm starting to freak out a
little bit.
I'm like, all right, joke'sover.
What is this?

(45:08):
And so eventually my momactually had to call like the
park rangers and they had tocome and find us.
But I remember I was a trooperthe whole time, and I remember
my dad saw this young lady whowas just like hiking, yeah, not
the AT, just like hiking atrail.
And I think he freaked her out.
But he was like, Hey, can I useyour phone?
She probably thought she wasabout to get like kidnapped or
something.

(45:28):
She was like, No, thank you, andlike walked away.
And so I saw that happen andjust started to weep.
I was like, We're stuck here.
Like, and I think my dadpanicked, and all he started to
do is start singing, I am a C, Iam a C H.
I am a C H and I remembersitting there, like wasn't
helping.
Yeah, kept crying.
I was like, I'm never doing thisagain.

SPEAKER_06 (45:49):
Oh, I don't know how you probably come that night, or
y'all spend that out there.

SPEAKER_01 (45:55):
No, late that night, a park ranger came.
Oh, the ranger came, gotcha.
Yeah.
And I got my chocolate milk,don't worry.
It pinned out at the end.

SPEAKER_06 (46:05):
But so a couple contrasting stories.

SPEAKER_01 (46:09):
I'm like, I don't know how you did that.
I was out there for two and ahalf days.

SPEAKER_06 (46:13):
But I remember flying hot because you were
coming through here.
You might have been up aroundWarrior or Waya.

SPEAKER_04 (46:20):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_06 (46:21):
They call it around here, they call it Warrior.
But and you, it was when Rachelwas still with you on the first
hike on the AT at the first partof the and some dudes wanted to
play naked checkers orsomething.

SPEAKER_03 (46:33):
I forgot about that.
They sure did.
You told me I was like, theysure did.
Yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_06 (46:40):
They were just I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_03 (46:42):
Oh, yeah.

unknown (46:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (46:45):
You do.
And it helps if you're theweirdo.
Yeah, we were in the shelter.
And these dudes, y'all weregonna play.
Yes, it was actually, yes, itwas in, yeah, yeah.
It was, yeah.
I remember game, it was inGeorgia.

SPEAKER_06 (46:56):
So it was early on the trail.
It was very early on.
Y'all haven't been hocking but afew days.

SPEAKER_03 (47:00):
No, it's true.
And these dudes that ishilarious.

SPEAKER_06 (47:04):
And you didn't have your glasses or contacts.
You said it was all just realblurry.

SPEAKER_03 (47:08):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (47:10):
The Lord protected me.
That's hilarious.
These guys took their clothesoff.

SPEAKER_03 (47:15):
Yes, they did.
We were on a two-level shelter.
That's exactly what it was.
And Rachel and I were on thebottom level.
They were on the top level.
I was sleeping.
I had glasses.
I hadn't had LASIK at thatpoint.
I had my glasses off next to mysleeping bag.
And I think they woke us up andthey said, Hey, do y'all want to
hang out?
That's so stupid.
Y'all want to hang out?

(47:36):
We're like, okay, so we go wegot to climb, climb the ladder.
And you're like, oh, naked.
They were totally naked.
What in the world?

SPEAKER_06 (47:44):
You were weirdos out there.

SPEAKER_03 (47:46):
So I climbed back down.
I was like, I'm going to sleep.

SPEAKER_06 (47:49):
You told me a week or two later, but they were
maybe section hocking.
You're like, yes, they were.

SPEAKER_03 (47:55):
I didn't, I mean, I didn't see them again.
I didn't see them again, but sooh my gosh.
Stuff you remembered.

SPEAKER_06 (48:01):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, I'll never forget that.
When you when you finally didget back here and you went to to
work in the old school program,which is no longer, we no longer
run that here.

SPEAKER_03 (48:14):
R I P.
R.
I P.

SPEAKER_06 (48:15):
Yep.
Yep.
It gave way to the SnowbirdLeadership Institute, which is
alive and well, but the oldschool program was special.

SPEAKER_01 (48:21):
It was special.

SPEAKER_06 (48:22):
While we're mourning one thing, we're we're
celebrating new life.
But uh but the old schoolprogram was so cool.
It was really, yeah.
And it was a semester spent inin the wilderness, basically.
Yeah.
And you were leading a trip.
2012.

SPEAKER_03 (48:39):
You yeah, that's your now husband Hunter.

SPEAKER_06 (48:43):
Yeah.
Y'all were not dating.

SPEAKER_03 (48:44):
No, we weren't.
I had the I had my eyes on him,but he was a slow burn.

SPEAKER_06 (48:48):
He still is.
He is slow.
I don't know.
We're in a hurry.

SPEAKER_03 (48:52):
He's a hard worker, but he's not easily excitable.

SPEAKER_06 (48:55):
That's exactly what you needed.
And uh, and then blue BarryWorth.
Blue was on y'all were the fouruh guides, y'all the four
proctors, y'all were guidingthat trip, and we would do a
section of that semesterpaddling sea cacks in the
Everglades.

SPEAKER_03 (49:09):
Yep.

unknown (49:09):
Yep.

SPEAKER_06 (49:10):
I found out your mom had had passed.

SPEAKER_03 (49:13):
Yeah, you had found out that she was in critical
condition.
Initially.

SPEAKER_06 (49:16):
Initially the call was she was hospitalized in
critical condition.
She had eaten a bottle ofTylenol.

SPEAKER_03 (49:22):
Yep.
Yeah, she had a pretty, prettyheavy life.
And so out of desperation.

SPEAKER_06 (49:27):
She was committed to doing what she did that night.

SPEAKER_03 (49:29):
Yep.

SPEAKER_06 (49:29):
Just a dark things had come to a head for her.

SPEAKER_03 (49:33):
Yeah, they had.
And I was unaware of that,right?

SPEAKER_06 (49:37):
So you're out in the Everglades.

SPEAKER_03 (49:38):
I'm in the Everglades.
That was a Tuesday.
My mom found herself in a darksituation where she had
overdosed on Tylenol and it andum slowly started shutting down
her organs.
And then she was it just took alittle while for the people in
her life to um get her the carethat she needed.
Wednesday morning, apparently,she was dropped off at a

(49:58):
friend's house by this um lameboyfriend of hers.

SPEAKER_06 (50:04):
Um loser and an abuser and a wicked evil person.

SPEAKER_03 (50:11):
Yes, wicked evil person.
Absolutely.
Dropped her off.
She couldn't get warm enough,from my understanding.
So then her friend then calledum 911, got her to the hospital.
That was on a Wednesday.
And then they ended up lifeflighting her on Thursday from
Savannah to Atlanta, which was agrace from God for my sister,
because my sister and my momwere at odds, because my mom had

(50:31):
just made some really terribledecisions with relationships,
and it was really big strife anda heaviness for my sister.
She just could not talk to mymom, which is in abusive
relationships, which Isupported.
Um, I still continued to be incommunication with my mom.
Um, the Lord had given me theability to hold boundaries with
her, um, to be present, to beavailable, but to hold
boundaries, not to feelmanipulated by my mom, to

(50:53):
accommodate her.
Um, again, strength from theLord, purpose from the Lord.
And so when my mom was lifeflighted to Atlanta and that
that Thursday, my sister wasliving in the Atlanta area at
that time.
So she was able to go and bewith my mom while she was still
coherent.
Again, I'm oblivious to all ofthis because we're in the
Everglades leading the oldschool program.

(51:13):
And then on Friday is when I wasnotified the park rangers found
me in the water and had told methat there was a family
emergency I needed to go withthem.

SPEAKER_06 (51:22):
We had, we had, we had, we knew where like the trip
would be mapped.
We knew the area they would beon that day.
So we communicated with the parkservice.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (51:35):
Yeah.
And so we were in the kayaks andthey said, Are you Ann Tully?
I was like, uh that's me.
And they said, You can't comewith us.
And so I didn't know anydetails.
Um, I didn't want to know anydetails, like I'd mentioned.
I just didn't, you know, partialinformation would not have
served me well.
And I Lord was just, again, verygracious to help guard my mind
and that space.
There was like, I don't know, Ithink there was a good number of

(51:56):
hours, anywhere between two tofour hours where I sat by myself
um on the shore with my journal.
And actually, I probably shouldgo open that journal.
I've done it a couple of times,just like God in the word and
just prayed because I knew thatmy life was going to be changed.
I didn't know how.
Like this, if someone's pullingme out of the water for a family
emergency, I knew it was a bigdeal.

(52:17):
And so I just sat there andjournaled and prayed and waited.
Didn't speculate.
I wasn't going to allow fear tolike grip my he my heart.
Again, the work of the spirit inme, because that yeah, it's just
a something bigger than myself.
And um, and then uh youth pastorand his wife came and got me.

SPEAKER_06 (52:36):
We called them.
They we knew they were prettyclose and they're really close
to our ministry.

SPEAKER_03 (52:41):
Yep.

SPEAKER_06 (52:41):
And I knew they wouldn't bat an eye.

SPEAKER_03 (52:42):
They'd Yeah, and they didn't.
They came down and got in thecar, and that's when I they
called Brody, and that's when Iwas uh first informed like my
mom was in the hospital and uhin critical condition, like she
was in a medical, medicallyinduced coma.
And I was like, She's stillalive.
And Brody was just like, it'sit's grim, it does not look
favorable.
And so which I I was thankfulthat she was still alive, but

(53:06):
also not this false sense ofhope that she was in a space
state that she would recover.
And she and I guess because shehad admitted that it was a
suicide attempt, um, she was notum eligible for any type of um
transplant.
And so it was just a matter ofof time then or everything just
started to shut down.
And by the time I arrived, Tanyaflew with me, which again was

(53:28):
just I was so thankful, and umlanded and I got on the phone
with Brody and he asked if Iwell, you had asked before then
if I wanted someone from myfamily or for someone from
Snowbird to pick me up, and Iopted for the the latter.
So my friend Wallace came andpicked me up and got on the
phone and uh we were leaving theairport, and that's when you
said your mom has passed, andand again, the work of the Lord.

(53:53):
I said the words that came outof my mouth were I loved her
well and I have no regrets.
That's that is that is Jesus.
That is Jesus.
I had said everything, because Iremember the summer before um
Spencer had preached uh duringstaff um a breakout about hell.
I left that breakout.

(54:14):
I was, I have never been soheavy laden for anybody, ever.
I remember walking a Healy Fieldone morning, I called my mom.
I was like, I need to make sureshe has heard the gospel.
And I walked that road for 45minutes.
I mean, with a with a passionand a conviction.
I was like, I gotta tell, Imean, we got we gotta talk about
this mom, you know.

(54:34):
And and at the end she's like,thank you, you know, sort of
deal.
But I was like, and I prayed.
I mean, I grieved my mom's deathbefore I actually got the news
because it was real, like whenshe's passed, the waitiness of
where she's gonna spendeternity, like that's already
been established.
And it was the first time it waslike, no, no, this matters, and
it matters now.

(54:55):
The urgency is now.
And the Lord, it wasn'tself-induced, it was spirit
provoked.
Um, and and I that and I'mthankful because then at the end
of the day, I did.
I loved her well, and I have noregret.
There's nothing I there'snothing left to say to my mom,
right?
Which is okay because I there Icouldn't say it.
So thankfully I have not beengripped by that grief.

(55:16):
But like I was telling you guyson the PCT, the Lord just being
so kind, even though it washeavy, it was so heavy.
But walking in the SierraNevadas of the PCT, grieving my
mom's death, they came out of itjust felt like nowhere for a
whole week, like walking andcrying, grieving, and just being
like, get it together, Ann,she's still alive, you know.
But little did I realize, Imean, a matter of months later,

(55:39):
she would be gone.

SPEAKER_06 (55:40):
And I'm yeah, and I'll tell you this uh as just as
a genuine encouragement becausewe mentioned earlier, I
appreciated the way when we weretalking about we're gonna
because she had no church, nofamily, no like who's gonna
memorialize her?
Yeah, words need to be said whena person passes from this life.

(56:02):
There's I feel like there's asense of something needs to be
said.

SPEAKER_04 (56:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (56:08):
And there needs to be reflection.
I think, I think weddings, likeI think births of children,
weddings and and deaths,funerals, memorial service,
whatever, funerals, passings.
Those three things, everyone inthat sphere needs to pause.
Yeah, these are monumental.
Uh uh, the birth of a child ismonumental, yeah.

(56:28):
Um the the the joining andmarital union of two people is
monumental.

SPEAKER_04 (56:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (56:34):
And the passing of someone from from this life to
through the doors of death ismonumental.

unknown (56:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (56:39):
And I remember having this conversation saying
we we're gonna do this, we needto do this, and and we talked
about, I don't remember thewords exactly, but you I I
wasn't, I felt like she probablywasn't born again, and you just
saying, I don't, I really don'tknow exactly what my mom's
spiritual because she wouldTamra would say she was a good

(57:00):
good with God.
I'm a Christian, I'm good withGod.

SPEAKER_05 (57:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (57:03):
And so you always I always want to be like, okay,
well then who am I?
I did I didn't maybe I didn'tsee fruit, or we never unpacked
really good gospel conversation,but I'm not gonna get up there
and assume that she's not withthe Lord, but I'm also not gonna
preach her into heaven.
Yes.
And remember, we were havingthat conversation.
You're like, no, I want you tojust give people there the
gospel.

SPEAKER_04 (57:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (57:23):
And most of the people there were our people,
but then you had you had somefamily members there that reject
the gospel.

SPEAKER_03 (57:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (57:29):
And that was an intense yeah.
That was an intense thing.

SPEAKER_03 (57:32):
Well, it was interesting too, right?
Because like I had felt theweightiness of eternity before
she had died, had come to termswith, I mean, I shared the
gospel.
She died, it's done.
I don't know if she's in heavenor not.
I was really turned off by thepeople in my family who were
like, she's in a better place.
I'm like, whatever that means.
Like, what do you like?
What are you talking about?
Like, there's no consolation.

(57:53):
I don't feel comforted by that.
Feels really kind of superficialand weak.
It's like a Hail Mary sort ofdeal.
Like, let me try and make myselffeel better.
And I was just rejecting, Irejected that, but it was
really, really cool.
So that was November of 2012.
My mom died.
I'm on the CDT in 2014, thebeginning of the trail.
I'm in New Mexico.

(58:14):
I'm walking and I'm grieved.
It's the first time I'm like, II called my mom on the AT, I
almost quit at mile 137.
I I was like, what am I doinghere?
I walking through snow, I don'tknow even what I'm doing.
And she said, You got this, Ann.
Like she she gave me a vote ofconfidence when Rachel Rachel
Roberts was like, You can quit.

SPEAKER_06 (58:33):
Um she was ready to quit.
She was ready to quit.
And she did.

SPEAKER_03 (58:37):
And she did.
No shade throwing her away.
No, she walked a lot of miles.
And I'm glad she's gonna go.
I would have quit.
I would not throw in shade.

SPEAKER_06 (58:45):
I'm gonna I'd have quit at the end.

SPEAKER_03 (58:46):
He wouldn't even throw it.

unknown (58:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (58:48):
So, but and so then, but my mom's like, you got this.
And I'm you know, in in light ofall of the rest of the story of
like feeling pretty abandoned,it's like again, that innate
desire to be affirmed by yourparents.
And my mom believed in me when Iwas having a hard time.
And I I look back at that milemarker 137 and how different my
life is because I decided tokeep going.
My mom's like, You got this.
And I was like, I do, I gotthis.

(59:09):
I called her on the PCT towardsthe very end because I had to
get back for old school.
And I'm like, I'm on a timeline.
I can't hike any harder, but Idon't want to not finish.
And she's like, You got this.
And I I did, I finished,finished and got it done and was
here to start the semester.
And again, like hearing my momjust cheer me on.
I'm on the CDT knowing I cannothear my, I can't call my mom,
which I wouldn't say my mom wasmy person.

(59:31):
Like, you know, some people likemy mom's my person, I'll call
her for everything.
That was my mom was not myconfidant, but there's something
in me where I was like, my momwas very proud of me.
For I mean, she was really shewas proud of me.
And I cared, I was like, what isgoing on?
What is going on?
And carried that weight andfinally was able to identify it
where I was like, I just need togrieve this.
But then I was walking throughthe Gila of New Mexico.

(59:52):
I no lie, no exaggeration.
I forded this river a hundredtimes that day, back and forth,
back and forth, back and forth.
And I had My iPod, um, not mycell phone.
I had an actual iPod that I waslistening to occasionally, and
um, I had my had my one earbudin, and there's a song by David
Crowder.

(01:00:12):
It's like the the words are likeawake oh sleeper.
And I'm listening to it, and Iagain just hearing from the
Lord.
The Lord said to me, I said thatto your mom.
I said, awake oh sleeper to yourmom.
And it was an affirmation in myspirit, not because I was
looking for it, not because Iwas conjuring it up, but the

(01:00:35):
Lord said, I said, awake, ohsleeper.
And I'm like, my mom, I reallybelieve there was such a grace
from when that dark moment inher life on that Tuesday she
took that Tylenol to beingcoherent for two days, sitting
with it, knowing that she'sdying, talking to my sister,

(01:00:55):
knowing she can't touch basewith me.
Like I'm she tried, she called,left me three messages.
There was a confrontation forher because she had heard the
gospel, she had seen my life,the faithfulness of God in my
life.
And I really, the Lord, I am myever being affirmed for me that
He she knew she knew the truth,and I really do believe that she

(01:01:19):
is in heaven with the Lord.
And I am so thankful for that.
And so it was really cool, likethis full circle moment where I
was like, I couldn't call mymom, but the Lord said, I called
on your mom and she's with me.
And so it made the rest of myhike was uh it was that was two
years after she died.

SPEAKER_06 (01:01:36):
Two years after she died.
That's the Lord spoke that toyou.
Yeah, that's so powerful.
It's did you ever see the thiefon the cross thing that Alistair
Begg did?

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:43):
Uh uh, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_06 (01:01:45):
Cause I he always like like uh those types of
conversions or confessions thattake place in the midnight hour
of a person's life.
You know, the thief on the crossis the example of that happening
in scripture.
And you know, Alistair Begg'slike that dude never got
discipled, he didn't getbaptized.
He's like, he gets and he'sacting it out and he's so funny.

(01:02:07):
And he's speaking at thisconference and everybody's in
suits.
You saw it, didn't you?
I th I showed it at uh Red Oakone time when I was teaching,
but he said, he said, uh he'stalking about the importance of
discipleship, but that somepeople like like they're gonna
come to faith in Jesus at apoint in time where maybe
there's not much time.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:02:27):
And uh you see, can you imagine the thief on the
cross he gets to heaven, he'sstanding there, angel comes over
and is like, okay, what uh whatwas the date of your conversion,
you know, whatever?
Like what um and then were youbaptized?
He's talking about the things weput emphasis on.
Yes, and he's like qualifiers.
Okay, uh, what about uh the docwhat's your view on the doctrine
of justification by faith?

(01:02:48):
Then the guy goes, I never heardof it before in my life.
I don't even know what you'retalking about.
And he's like, Okay, oh, oh, younever heard of it.
Hold on.
I'm gonna need to go get asupervisor.
And he goes, gets a supervisorangel, brings him back over
there, and the guy's like, ohyeah, he's acting this thing
out.
And he's and these pastors arebehind Aleister Begg and they're
like scowling, you know.
And he's like, Yes, supervisorangel.
And he's like, What about whatabout the doctrine of the

(01:03:09):
atonement?
Do you know?
And he's like, Well, systematictheology.
I have no idea what any wordsmean.
He's like, Well, then what bywhat grounds are you standing
here?
He said, Because the guy on themiddle cross told me I could
come.
And it's like the coolest to me.
It's like the guy on the middlecross, what he says, that's what
goes.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:03:28):
And it was that, you know, in that window of time,
the guy on the middle cross toldTamar she could come.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:35):
Uh, yeah.
Yes.
Pretty that preaches.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:03:38):
Yeah.
Because there's a whole bunch ofpeople Jesus said are gonna say,
Well, I preached sermons in yourname.
I cast out demons.
We did many mighty works in yourname, a lifetime, a career of
ministry.
Yeah, he's gonna go, I don'tknow you.
I didn't invite you here, youknow.
Or I didn't, you know, you'renot here on here, you're here on
your own merit, so depart.
So that preaches, it's powerful.

(01:03:58):
Yeah, um, it really is.
Uh okay, we're we're runninglong.
Are you good?
But are you are you okay forlike one more story?
Yeah.
This let's this is awesome.
Let's pick it up.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:10):
Let's pick it up.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:11):
Let's let's finish fun and then we'll talk about
your family.
Okay.
Because there's exciting stuffhappening there.
You're your family.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:19):
Not sister, mom, yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:21):
Like your husband and my children.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:22):
Yes.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:24):
The Tuttles.
I'm no longer a Tully.
I went from Tully to Tuttle.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:27):
I know.
For a while, everybody calledher Ann Tully Tuttle.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:29):
Antully Tully.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:30):
Well, that's what that's what my email is.
That's what I signed my nameask.
I can't let go of Tully.
Ann Tully is my name.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:36):
It was uh for so long, everybody.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:41):
She was an old soul.
Everybody called her grandma.
I was 23 and they're calling megrandma grandma Tully.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:46):
But it's because what I was gonna say before
before we turn to this funstory, the last thing I want to
say about that is you're thefirst person I ever saw love a
person well who in a strainedrelationship like that.
I feel like people they eitherfurther enable a person, you
know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:07):
Or they just distance themselves.
And you're the first person Isaw who you stayed close to your
mom, you loved her, you caredfor, but you kept kept those
healthy boundaries and and uhyou didn't enable her.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:22):
You called it what it was, she never questioned
your love for her.
That's true.
You're the first person I eversaw do that.
And it was it was meaningful tome.
Wow.
Because my dad had died, and Iwrestle with a lot of I I go
back and forth betweenbitterness and guilt.
Because I was so angry and somad at the way, and and I let

(01:05:43):
him know it, you know.
And then but we had, you know,I've shared his story on here.
We had restored fellowship, butit was very brief.
Um and if I would have justknown I can love him from a
distance and keep parameters,and um, and and that it was a
similarly, you know, my dad, itwas a similarly complex
situation.
Yeah.
Um, but anyway, I appreciatethat.

(01:06:03):
That I'm I'm grateful for thatin your life because it's really
encouraging.
Um, you and I had to this daywhat is one of my greatest, most
outlandish adventures atSnowbird Wilderness South Fair.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:16):
About the horsebacking.

SPEAKER_06 (01:06:17):
So in old school.
Oh my gosh.
So Anne's working old school.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:21):
Okay, and I am a stickler about certain things.
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (01:06:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:24):
L and T, leave no trace.

SPEAKER_06 (01:06:25):
Leave no trace.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:26):
You've got the yin over here and the yang over
there.
Bro's like, pour that grease,pour that grease in the water.
I'm like, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_06 (01:06:34):
What the fish got to eat too.
Okay, so so old school.
Old school, like you start thesemester, students would would
show up, check in, they gettheir equipment, and it was like
a two-week backpacking section,a 10-day wilderness first
responder course, uh a uh seven,eight, nine-day uh swiftwater

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rescue and whitewater guidingtraining.
Uh the trip in the Evergladeswas a week.
It was it was just section,section, a climbing section.
It was a semester long.
That was crazy.
It was literally a semester ofonce-in-a-lifetime experiences.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:10):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 (01:07:11):
I Little and I led a section.
It was horsepacking.
So it wasn't like you go outhorseback riding.
It was we load up horses.
I would have two pack horseswith these big gear paddles, uh,
gear saddles with these pannypanniers on it, like uh um like
with food and supplies, and wewould ride horses for for

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several days in the smokies.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:34):
Yep.
And so that was the girls, andthen the boys went sailing.

SPEAKER_06 (01:07:37):
The boys would go sailing and we would take the
girls horsepacking.
There was one section we sseparated the boys and the
girls.
And so Little had Little and Ihad always led that section
together.
And um and but our kids wouldcome with us, and what we would
do is we would pack in onhorses, everybody's on horses.
We would pack into a base camp,set up base camp, and then uh

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little would run camp, and eachday I would take the the girls
and we would do a big loopsomewhere.
We'd ride the horses out, okay?
Um on that particular trip.
The previous year we rode, wewould ride, stop, set up camp.
The next day, load up, ride,stop, set up camp, and we do a
big loop like that.

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Um so on this trip, Anne was itwas me and Ann.
We're gonna take the girls outfor a ride.
We rode in the first day, we setup base camp, got the horses
squared away.
Anne knows nothing about it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:35):
Yeah, this is the second time ever I was on a
horse.
The first time was when I was acamper and we did some sort of
horse like in a in a corral andjust go around in circles or
something.
I don't know.
Maybe we did well as a camper,we did something with horses.
So that was the first time, andthis is the second time, and now
I'm like a a leader of thesection oh my gosh, of this
massive animal.

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Which I'm like, I know horsescan sense here.
I am not afraid.
I was like, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_06 (01:09:01):
I'll tell you this.
It was the in my career.
It was there was a couple ofmoments on this trip that were
the sketchiest, scaredest I'veever been.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:10):
Like getting the horses around that down log on
the edge of that drop off.

SPEAKER_06 (01:09:14):
So what happened is we go in, we set up base camp.
I roll out, so that evening,little's preparing supper.
Um, I'm I'd do a session.
I don't know if you rememberthis, but where we would base
camp, I would do that trip everyyear.
There was an old cemetery in thepark up on a hill, and would
take everyone up, and we woulddo the session in that cemetery
because there's these200-year-old headstones.

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And this was an old community inthe mountains, and we would talk
about the brevity of life, and Iwould teach, come back down,
have supper.
Um, I roll a map of the parkout, and I said, What let's
let's look at some ride optionstomorrow.
And Anne missadventure, whichyou don't ever want to tell me,
let's do this, or you won't dothat.

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Yeah.
And she's like, I so we got themap rolled out, and if I
remember, this is myperspective.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:01):
I don't remember, yeah.
You tell me.

SPEAKER_06 (01:10:03):
I said, Okay, here's where we are.
This is this is Fourny Ridge,this is Fourny Creek, this is
Hazel Creek, this is EagleCreek, this is and but but we
can do a loop here, here, here.
And I said, now this isKlingman's Dome, it's the
highest point in the park.
And Ann said, we should ride upthere, and I said, Okay, okay,

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well, you can only ride horseson certain designated trails in
the park, and you do not ride ahorse in a day from where we
were to Klingman's Dome andback.
Like, you don't, you're notgonna do that.
And I was like, let's do it.
I remember looking at Ann, I waslike, That's the funny and I'm
like, you don't do it?
And she's like, Yeah.
And it's like, yeah, and acouple of people were like, uh,

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a couple of the students werelike, I don't know about this.
I was like, let's do it.
Well, we start riding, and Imean, we don't make it.
We have breakfast that nextmorning, and we start riding.
I my guesstimation we rode about25 miles that day.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:57):
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (01:10:58):
But the the first largest portion of it was we
climbed, I mean, we started atdown near Fontana.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:06):
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (01:11:06):
And Klingman's Dome 6,000 feet.
We started at 2,500 feet.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:10):
Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_06 (01:11:11):
With 3,500 feet of elevation gain.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:14):
I was just about to say so.

SPEAKER_06 (01:11:16):
But they're mountain horses.
I I'm not worried about thehorses.
I know how to take care ofhorses.
Yes.
So I fed them good.
I I I gassed them up that day, Ifueled them up that morning, but
we start going up these trails,and then we're at the end of
where you can ride horses, andnow we're gonna hit foot foot
trails only, designated foottraffic.
And I was like, okay, guys,well, I'm gonna, if we get

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caught, I'll get the ticket.
It's like 200 at the time, 275bucks a pop for having horses on
these trails.
And we start pulling, I'd neverbeen in that part of the park,
and so we turn, we turn.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:48):
Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_06 (01:11:49):
And when we turn, I don't realize it, but about a
mile in, there's no turning backbecause we're switchback
climbing up this section of thepark.
And I'll let you tell this partof the experience.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:00):
No, what?

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:01):
The with the downed yeah, when we're trying we cross
that scree field.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:05):
Yes, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:07):
We get to a point where it's this steep, so it's
600 feet down this ravine.
These girls have never been onhorses.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:14):
And and they're not one of them, maybe not the
fittest at all.
Like awkward in their body.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:21):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:21):
So you have that.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:22):
And the other one not fit emotionally.
Yes, is crying, whimpering,squalling.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:28):
And I am like, these horses, they can they can sense
fear.
I'm not, I'm not afraid, right?
And but we're like, yeah, theScrefield component of it was
the other added.
I forgot about that.
Because you're like, no, notonly are you on the side of this
hill, you've got rock underneathyou, this massive animal.
And then you've got obstacles,and you've got people who don't
know what they're doing, andpeople who are uncomfortable in
their bodies and mentally notwith it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:50):
It's not good.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:50):
No, so we had you had to take the saddles off of
we crow.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:54):
Well, first we crossed the scree field.
I said, Okay, everybody, we'vegot to ride across this.
You can see it.
It's about a 50-yard span.
You know, it's this steep andit's a little bitty trail.
And I said, Everybody take yourfeet out of the stirrups.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:06):
Yes.

SPEAKER_06 (01:13:06):
If your horse slips, fall to the high side and sprawl
out.
Because I'd taken, yes, I hadled rides before.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:14):
Oh, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_06 (01:13:16):
But not on something like that.
I had ridden stuff like that athousand times.
And you just, there's things youget ready for, like, okay, yeah.
And when I cross this, if thehorse falls, don't fall with it.
You're dead.
You're dead.
You're you're dying a painful,brutal death.
So if you feel the horse startslipping, jump to the high side.
But the thing was, I'm not gonnalet everybody walk their horse

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across this because if then thehorse will run over you, knock
you.
Like you can't, I don't wantthose girls walking.
Yes, because it's a cliff.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:46):
Yes.

SPEAKER_06 (01:13:47):
And so I said, All right, I'm here's I don't
remember if I had you go firstand I came last, but I had a
good horse out front, a goodhorse in the back.
And my horse, man, he was like amountain horse.
I'd raise, I've still got him.
I've raised that horse.
He I'll trust him to go in themountains like that.
And we get through, and the lastperson just clears the scree

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field, and we're in the end ofthe timber, and there's a tree,
a big hemlock tree is fallingacross the trail.
We can't go.
So we're out of the, you knowwhat scree is?
It's like rock, shale rock.
It would be like there's notrees, it's like sandy rock.
Yeah, like you'll have longstretches of just flat rock and
then dust and sand.
And so it's like a cliff.

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Imagine a rock cliff that's thenabout this angle.
And there's a ledge cut into itthat people walk, yeah, and it
keeps going.
It's probably 600 feet down.
So it's super slippery.
And and so we get across it, nowwe're off the scree and we're
into the woods, the trees.
We're up in the tree line, butnow so there's trees.

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So now I'm not worried aboutsomebody falling because there's
trees all around us, but it'sjust as steep, but we I ain't
going back.
We cannot go back.
That's not an option.
And it's trees down, so I getthe last person is almost out.
It just makes it into the woods,and the horses start freaking
out.
They're getting nervous.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:09):
Yep, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:15:10):
So we get we I get everybody off.
I'm like, everybody get on thehigh side.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:14):
Yep.

SPEAKER_06 (01:15:15):
So everybody's just waiting.
And so I take the first saddleoff, and and Anne is just kind
of like, okay, tell me what todo.
Yeah.
We're just working together.
And the horses, some of themwere small enough to go under
the tree because the tree, likethe trails here, the tree had
fallen like this, but none ofthem could fit with a saddle.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:34):
Yep.

SPEAKER_06 (01:15:35):
They had to work to get under and scrape their backs
to get under the tree.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:40):
That was wild.
Poor Brody.

SPEAKER_06 (01:15:42):
And we got so I unsaddle eight horses or
whatever.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:15:45):
Get all the saddles.
I walk the saddles through andstage them behind trees.
I come back in one horse at atime.
I get them under this log, andit was not easy.
Some of them were freaking out alittle bit.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:15:56):
Get them all through.
And I'm like, we cannot go back.
Because like the best thing todo would have been, we should
just go back.
So we we end up, we get them allunder the tree, get them all
over there, get them saddled,and that one girl was like, I'm
not riding anymore.
She she refused to she's like,I'm gonna walk, which is gonna
hold us up.
Yeah, it slows the whole thingdown, and we just do this for

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the next four hours and come upinto so Clinkman's Dome is like
very commercial.
So there's like tour buses ofpeople there, Japanese people,
European people, people from NewYork, people from Mexico, like
the world, because it's Octoberpeak leap season.
So there's so many people, andwe're and we are illegal.

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We're riding these horses upthrough Klingman's Dome, like
like up into the parking lot,and people like everybody's
taking pictures, so like theythink this is part of the show,
you know.
And then we get to, I don't knowif you remember this, we get
into the Klingman's Dome parkinglot where you park to walk up to
the dome, which is uh about amile half mile height.

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There's an observation deck.
So we come in, these trails comeup into the parking lot, and I'm
like, okay, if I know about amile or two down this, the main
paved highway, which in thenational park, it is illegal to
have horses on paved roads.
$275 a pot.
And I said, we got to ride downthis paved road, and somewhere

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there's a there's a I knowthere's a trail that'll go into
the head of Mill Creek or NolanCreek.
Like, we just gotta look for it.
So we're riding.
We ride for two miles on thepaved road, traffic, cars, not
one park ranger comes by byGod's grace, and we get back
into the trees.
And I remember we we ride now,now I'm comfortable, I'm like,

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okay, I know where I'm at.
We get back in the mountains.
I'm like, I'm good.
I'll get us home, I'll get usback to camp.
We've made this big, huge,massive 25-mile loop through the
mountains.
And I remember it gets dark onus.
Yeah, the last probably 30minutes we're in pitch black.
But right before it got dark, Isee a pretty big boar black bear
off down in the creek.

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The horses start gettingnervous.
And I'm like, if these girls seethat bear, if these horses freak
out, these girls see that bear,we are done.
And they didn't nobody saw it.
I don't think I even told you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:14):
No, I don't, yeah.
I was like that's crazy.
It was really crazy.
I'm glad you recounted all thosedetails.
I do remember the down tree.
I don't remember theconversation about Klingon's
dome, like making having that,like the planning it out, but I
believe it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:18:30):
Well, all it was was you want to do that?
I've never and you're like,Yeah, let's do it.
And that's that was theconversation.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:36):
That was so funny.
But I do remember, yeah, andthen I remember the latter part,
like when we were finally liketowards the latter part getting
back towards camp, and it it wasdefinitely like we had already
weathered the wackiness of itall.
We're like, this is actuallyfun.
And I think we got a little bitof speed, you know.
Um, but I remember when we wereleaving the next day, the next
day, and like a bag or somethingfell off, and you know, and I'm

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like, again, the leave no tracein me.
You know, you're like, porngrease over here.
We left some gear, we're like,whatever.
I mean, we it was a trip.

SPEAKER_06 (01:19:08):
We were like, let's get back.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:10):
Yes, he was like, I don't know.
Who cares what's in that bag?
We're not going back.
It's done.

SPEAKER_06 (01:19:16):
Because when we were trying to get everybody mounted
and out of camp, that was thelast day we were heading out
that day.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:22):
Oh man.

SPEAKER_06 (01:19:23):
And uh, and one girl got bucked off.
I don't remember what happened.
That girl you're talking aboutthat couldn't really control her
body.
She her horse freaked out.
I don't remember what happenednow, but she ended up getting
bucked off.
She was okay.
And I was like, we got to getmoving.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:19:37):
When you horses, when you get them all mounted
and saddled and lined up, theyget antsy if they know they're
getting ready to move.

SPEAKER_04 (01:19:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:19:44):
And they were getting real antsy.
And I'm, but I'm trying to geteverybody.
And Ann was awesome because shedidn't know what she's doing,
but she's game, you know.
So we're trying to get everybodymounted and on their horse, and
we got to get moving.
And I've got, I mean, I got mytwo kids, two or three kids.
I don't remember if Laylee waswith us, I don't remember what
year that was, but they'recompetent.
My kids could ride.
Yeah.
Like I skate my kids on theirhorses.

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Yeah.
Little's got two pack horses.
I got two pack horses, and wegot to get moving.
And we get about a mile down thetrail, and Ann's like, oh, I
think we left.
We had left something.
No, something prettysubstantial.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:16):
Yes, some sort of gear.
It was like important.
And I was like, I don't care.
Yeah, we're on.
One, he was the boss man.
I was like, whatever.
You have to talk to Harry aboutit.

SPEAKER_06 (01:20:25):
I was like, I was like, uh because we were like
certified Leave No Traceorganization.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:30):
Yes.
And I quit pouring the grease inthe creek.
You and Little, you and Littletogether.
I was like, y'all have not readthem, you have not read the
manual.

SPEAKER_06 (01:20:38):
No, we have not, and I still haven't.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:40):
Little doesn't know what leave no trace.

SPEAKER_06 (01:20:43):
And because I grew up in those mountains.
Yes.
Frying bacon and biscuits.
And you know, they're showing upwith like these dehydrated
meals.
And I'm like, so the firstnight, though, we roll in.
I've got we've got three horseswith four, each one of them has
two big paddle like boxes on thesaddle.
Steak, potatoes, like steak,potatoes, onions.

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Yeah.
They've been eating dehydratedfood the whole semester.
And we feasted that person outthere.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:10):
Yeah, but it was awesome.
Oh, there's a yep.

SPEAKER_06 (01:21:13):
So fun.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:14):
So fun.

SPEAKER_06 (01:21:15):
Um, all right.
So, yeah, so Antully is part ofsome of my most memorable, high,
low, hard, funny experiences.
Nobody, probably nobody that'sserved in this ministry that I
have the same set of experiencesthat I have with Ann.
Um, okay.
Uh life today.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:36):
Yeah.
I live in Marietta.

SPEAKER_06 (01:21:38):
Let's wrap it up that way.
So you're in Marietta, Georgia.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:41):
I live in Marietta, Georgia.
Um, yeah, I moved down that areain 2015 from here down there.
Hunter and I have been married,and this October will be 10
years.
We got married on the HelaRiver.

SPEAKER_06 (01:21:53):
Got a picture of me and Tuck.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:54):
Yep.
At your wedding.
Yeah, it was a beautiful day,October 25th.
It was peak leaf season.
It was really special.

SPEAKER_06 (01:22:00):
They got married on the little island at Mystic
Rivers.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:03):
Oh, really?
Well, I've heard this.
After you guys got married, didyou get in a boat and then go
down the river?
No, we came up with someoneelse.

SPEAKER_06 (01:22:10):
Urban urban legend.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:11):
Urban legend.
Real story is we left, got anargument about who where my cell
phone was, had to turn around.
It's like, here's real life.
Left in our Buickle Saber,whatever.
Um, no, but 10 years we've beenmarried.
But yeah, Hunter and I met in2011.
He was on staff.
I was here full time.
It was really pretty funnybecause Steph Gatton was on

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staff at that point, and wewould pray over the new incoming
staff we didn't know.
She'd print off pictures, and sowe'd see everyone that we didn't
know have but be familiar withtheir faces.
And I remember they were callingme grandma tully.

SPEAKER_06 (01:22:43):
We still do that, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:44):
Yeah.
So um, I uh I walk in andSteph's like, look at this this
profile.
I mean, this guy is in a kayak,you know, he's older.
He I was 25.
Um, no, I was 26, he was 25.
Anyway, hey, outdoorsy, cool.
His last name's Tuttle.

SPEAKER_06 (01:23:02):
Had been in the military years.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:04):
Yep, yep.
Now he's a student at BrevardCollege, and he was friends with
Kaufman, Brian Kaufman, and thatwas the connection point.
And uh anyway, just outdoorsy,older, cool.
I was like, oh, cool.
I bet he's shorter than me.
I was trying to quote guard myheart.
How taller you I'm almost sixfoot, if not there.
And he's like, I think he'sfive'eight.
Um, it doesn't feel that big ofa difference, but anyway, so I

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was like, he's probably shorterthan me.
And I left.
Well, I knew who he was when hecame to, you know, the
orientation weekend.
And um, I don't know.
It was really funny because hewas new to the faith.
He was definitely guarding hisheart.
He was like not interested intalking to any of the girls.
And uh he always talks aboutwhen um the guys had the talk

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during staff training, you'retalking to him, like, you're not
gonna ignore half of the body ofChrist, you know.
He's like, dang, does Brody likesee into my heart right now?
You know, like sort of deal.
So he was challenged by that,but it was also just a good
boundary for him.
But I um had a house on HealyFields and I would invite people
over on the weekends because Ilove to cook and host people,
and I know what it's like to bein the summer.

(01:24:09):
Sure.
And this, you know, have a placeto go.
Um, and I was always um, I wasjust intentional with being
friends with Hunter.
Uh so I'd invite him and otherpeople.
He, you know, he's not gonnaturn down a meal.
Like he is a dude.
He's like free food, let's doit.
Anyway, so we just end upbuilding a friendship with him
um through that summer.

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And really, I mean, he livedabove reproach.
I would say Hunter, he's just aman of integrity.
And so that was um 2011.
I introduced him to my youthpastor, Joe Strange, because
Hunter done Iron Mans, Joe woulddo Iron Man's.
I was just like, just beingintentional with making some
connections.
I wasn't one of those thingswhere I was like, saw him from a
distance.
I was like, one day I hope henotices me.
I was like, nah, like we canbecome friends, right?

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I mean, I desired to have ahusband one day, but also had
been through a plethora ofdifferent experiences through my
time at Snowbird and throughcollege, where it's like, you
know, anyway, just proceed withwisdom.
And so we became friends, but itwas one of those things where we
had different connections.
Well, then in 2012, on the PCT,Spencer asked if I would co-lead

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the old school semester.
I was like, absolutely.
And then I found out Hunter wasleading, co-leading too.
And I was like, Oh yeah,absolutely.
And Spence made sure to let meknow that we were not allowed,
like, you know, no connectionsthere.
I was like, whatever, I'mexcited.
The Lord just kind of put it alltogether.
And we had some reallyinteresting, because I was

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outdoors woman.
Like, I was confident had been ahiker, been a part of the
ministry for a long time.
So I'd go out there and be apoint person.
Well, then you have Hunter, whowent to school for outdoor
experiential education.

SPEAKER_06 (01:25:45):
So he's been like the class academic side,
academic side of it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:50):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 (01:25:50):
He hadn't been uh on a horsepacking trip to clean
this dome, dumping dumping bacongrease in the meal crew.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:55):
No, no, but he was confident and he's very
confident in that space, whichI'd never been matched with that
in the outdoor, in that, in thatarena.
And it was really cool becausewe had a couple of like clashing
moments, but he but he took thelead.
We sat and talked about andevery and then we had conflict
resolution and we were betterfor it, which was a really cool,

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refreshing type of interaction.
That happened at least three,maybe four times that whole
semester.
But it was cool because itdidn't like push each other
away, we just got closer.
So then anyway, it was again, itwas like I said, it was a super
that was 2012, um, slow burn.
We're just friends, and then in2014, November 2014, I had hiked

(01:26:37):
the CDT that year.
He had gone to um Tanzania andclimbed Kilimanjaro, and then he
went to India with a third.
Yep, yep, yep, to teachwilderness first aid and just be
in the be in the villages thereand um okay, pause.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:26:51):
Josh Haskell, when we interviewed him two weeks ago
for that episode, and I talkedabout the video we have of Josh
and his partner on that tripsharing the gospel with that
group of men.
It was Hunter.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:03):
Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_06 (01:27:04):
It was Josh and Hunter.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:27:05):
So Ann's husband Hunter did one of our early
trips.
We ran several early trips tothe Himalayas to Northern India
up in Ladakh.
And so Hunter and Josh were onthat trip together.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:17):
That's cool.
Yeah.
So and then 2014, no, November2014, I got back.
We were we went on a, we went tothe Hunter and I went to the
Smokies to do a like a trailmaintenance trip.
Anyway, we had had aconversation in April of that
year where I'm like, we'refriend.
I mean, I'm 29 years old at thispoint.
I'm like, we're friends, butwhat are we doing?
Anyway, the Lord, the Lordworked at where it's a pause,

(01:27:38):
but in November 2014 is whenhe's like, you said something.
You said um we uh oh we'refriends with like we look like
we're in a relationship withoutwith a without a commitment sort
of deal.
Like we're just really trying,you know, enjoyed each other's
company.
But anyway, so then in you know,November he said, you know,
you're worth making thatcommitment to.

(01:27:59):
And I remember we were in theshelter in the smokies, and I
because I either knew ourfriendship is either over, like
we're done, like we're nevergonna talk to each other again,
or we're gonna be in arelationship.
And I was just stone cold, likewaiting to hear what he was
gonna say.
And he said, You're worth makinga commitment to.
And in my dorkiness, I'm sittingthere in the dark and I go like
this, ooh, ooh, ooh, that was myresponse.

SPEAKER_06 (01:28:22):
That's funny.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:23):
I was like, whoo, that was such a hard summer.
You know, I was hiking and I waslike just waiting to see what
would happen, anyhow.
And so then we got married nineum 11 months later.
Um, but yeah, I moved toMarietta in February of 2015
from here.
Um, lived with a friend, and wejust, you know, figured it out.
And then we lived with some ofhis friends for a year and then
we bought our house.
Um, we've been there sinceNovember of 2016.

(01:28:46):
We're part of um a reallywonderful church, Stonebridge.
Um JB has connections to thatchurch, which is really cool.
And um, yeah, he was a firemanfor a long time.
It's been a year since he leftthe fire department with Cobb
County.
And uh now we have a lawnbusiness.
He's doing that full, fullforce, I guess the long care of
Marietta, which has been areally cool thing to see his

(01:29:07):
entrepreneurial, you know,pursuits come to fruition and us
building a business together andseeing what the Lord has from
that, especially since both heand I came from kind of meager
means, and just kind of navigatelike, what does the Lord have
for us and not just beinglimited by our former
experiences, but seeing like,what does the Lord have for us
and for our children?
And so being a part of that, butum, yeah, we lost our first baby

(01:29:30):
at 16 weeks.
Um, we named that baby TullyJesse Tuttle, which means
peaceful gift from God back toGod, Jehovah's Real.
So that was in 2018, February2018.
And then a few months later, Igot pregnant with Wilder.
Wilder Boone means wildblessing.
And um, he's six and a half nowand awesome.
We have Acre Bryce and uh, andthen we have Tulula, Talula

(01:29:52):
Jane.
She's awesome.
She's so Acre's four and a half,and Talula is almost 20 months
old.
And then we have another baby.
I'm 11 weeks pregnant.
It is exciting because I wouldnever have executed on that.
But again, like throughout thiswhole time, like this, God is so
much bigger than me.
He is working a bigger picturethan just my understanding.

(01:30:13):
And I'm and like hinging on thereality of like if I don't, I
have to believe who God is.
Otherwise, there's no way itwould make no sense for me to
have another child.
But the Lord's like, I'm doing anew work.
And this is part of it.
And like there's a trueexcitement that couples with
that.
So we're just living a just asimple but yet complicated life.

(01:30:34):
I'm in the thick of raisinglittle babies and trying to get
my house in order and beingfaithful to the community that's
there.
I've been surrounded by a greatgroup of people.
I mean, family that live downthere.
And um it's a really wonderful.
I mean, my life looks nothinglike I thought it would, but I'm
not sure what I thought it wouldlook like.
It's so much sweeter.

(01:30:54):
And my life experiences havebeen just really rich.
And so I'm like, here we are.
I thought in my 40s we'd getback into doing run races and
stuff.

unknown (01:31:02):
Nope.

SPEAKER_06 (01:31:03):
I was like just pregnant.

SPEAKER_03 (01:31:04):
Just pregnant.
Yeah.
And so I'm like, okay, and dotime, you know, do time.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 (01:31:09):
So I forgot about I forgot about the running piece.
Yeah.
Yeah, you did.

SPEAKER_03 (01:31:14):
Yeah, I did an Iron Man a week before I got married.
Well, I forgot about that.
Yep.
Yeah, it was one of thosethings.
I'd made the goal.
I'm like, when I'm 30, I'm gonnado an Iron Man.
Just happened.
It happened, everything happenedwhere I'm like, well, the Iron
Man Wilmington is a week beforeI get married.
And so on my wedding pictures, Ihave this really sweet razor
back Tamline.

SPEAKER_06 (01:31:32):
Anne was Anne's one of those people.
If she says she's gonna dosomething, I believe her.

SPEAKER_03 (01:31:36):
Yeah.
This is funny.
Yeah, well, thank you.
It's also one of those thingswhere for better or for worse, I
remember when during strap stafftraining we had the climbing
tower and blue was blaying mebecause I was real selective on
who was gonna belay me.
I got there's the you knowmechanisms and all that, but I'm
not a light girl.
They call me a triple deucediesel.
That's because I weighed 222pounds.
One day I'll get back there.

(01:32:00):
The glory days.
The glory days.
The glory days.
But so I'm like, I'm selectiveof who's gonna be belaying me.
And blue is bigger than me.
So I was like, you can belay me,blue.
Anyway, I'll get almost to thetop of the climbing tower.
And I'm like, Blue, I'm done.
I'm done.
I don't want to go anymore.
I'm tired, I'm done.
He said, I'll let you down, AnnTully, if you say, My name is
Ann Tully and I'm a quitter.
Oh, I was not saying that.

(01:32:23):
So I got my tail all the way atthe top, but Blue knew he had my
number dialed.
And it was it's just such a verydistinct type of like, yeah,
that is my personality.

SPEAKER_06 (01:32:32):
Yeah, if you want Ann to do something, tell her
she can't do it or won't do it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:35):
It's true.
And I believe I know that aboutmyself, and yet it still works.
It's a tactic that because I welive in a 1,200 square foot home
right now, and it's small.
We have one bathroom.
And every time people find outthat we're pregnant with our
fourth baby, they're like,You're gonna have to move,
right?
And Hunter said to me the otherday, I'm like, it's all about
perspective.
You make it work.

(01:32:55):
Hunter said, You would stay inthis house just to prove prove
people wrong, wouldn't you?
I was like, not intentionally,but I think you're right.
Now that you said it, yeah, nowthat I think about it, yes.
Yeah, actually.
So, anyhow, yeah, but so we'rejust until they quit talking
about it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:33:10):
Then we can move up.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:11):
It's true.
I know.
My face says it all, and peopleknow me anyway.

unknown (01:33:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:33:17):
Hey, thanks.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:18):
Thank you.
It's been such a pleasure.

SPEAKER_06 (01:33:21):
It was a long time making it happen.
Yeah, you made it happen.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:25):
Well, thanks for watching.

SPEAKER_06 (01:33:26):
You're the one that had to load your three little
ones up and come.
Hopefully, hopefully, so threehours of work here.
Hopefully, the rest of your timehere will be enjoyable.
Yes, it is to see some folks anddo some things.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:38):
And before you know it, uh at least Wilder be coming
up for I yeah, Jessica Hooverkeeps putting in the Facebook
SWO Facebook like it and crewscome, and I'm like, one of these
days, while I mean, soon beforeI know it, Wilder's gonna be in
sixth grade.
Oh, yeah, being a part of it,and that full circle will be
really neat.
And maybe one of these days I'llcome work another summer.
That'd be cool.
I would love it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:33:58):
That'd be so cool.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:59):
Get up in the morning, go send the metal
building.
I don't have people to still dothat.
Drink that gross coffee.

SPEAKER_06 (01:34:04):
Andy has made a promise.
Oh, yeah.
When the Pepsi contract runsout, we're gonna have good
coffee.
We got another year and a half.
Oh, wow.
And he said from then on, we'llhave good coffee.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:13):
Let's go.

SPEAKER_06 (01:34:14):
I know the whole camera crew is all like, thank
the Lord.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:19):
I mean, it it makes do, but oh yeah, I turned down
the days.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:23):
Yes.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Well, thanks again.

SPEAKER_06 (01:34:27):
You are loved here by a lot of people.
Thanks.
And we're just we're grateful.
And I'm I'm very grateful.
Like I said, your life is atrophy life to me.
Again, on context, not mytrophy.
It's a gospel trophy on display.
Like to see what God can do.
Sometimes He just shows off andHe does it through a person's
life.
And I love it.

(01:34:48):
It's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:49):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_06 (01:34:49):
We've been through a lot.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:50):
Yes, we have.
Let's keep it.
I know.
Yes, yeah.
For real.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's still going.
Awesome.
All right.
Well, thank you guys.
Of course.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:58):
All right, y'all.
That wraps up the part two ofthe Anne episodes and her story.
I hope you guys were encouragedby her story.
It's hard not to be.
Uh, she is truly one of the mostawesome ladies I've ever met.
And even just listening to herstory, there are multiple times
where I was feeling convictedand just encouraged and truly
just in awe of her and herfaithfulness to the Lord and how

(01:35:22):
the Lord has used her.
She's awesome.
I hope really hope you guys wereum encouraged and were able to
glean something from thisepisode.
Um, I hope you guys have beenenjoying all of these
interviews.
Um, I know normally we'llsprinkle in some interviews here
and there, but uh, we've been ina really cool season where we've
just been able to interviewliterally the coolest people

(01:35:45):
ever.
And I'm not even just sayingthat.
Like it's been so awesome tojust sit in and listen to these
interviews and being able toengage with these people, and
they're awesome.
Um, but we do have some futurecontent coming up, more beyond
the flannel graph type ofcontent, which if you're
unfamiliar, that's just um whenBrody will normally take a Bible

(01:36:07):
story or um that sounded soSunday school, a Bible story,
um, a story from the Bible, orum just a chunk of scripture and
just kind of explain it andexposite it and um uh really dig
deep into it and kind of explainit.
Um really cool content.
So we got some of that comingup.
Um and we also have a few moreinterviews, um, which are so

(01:36:29):
cool.
Um, we are interviewing ClayHicks, he's coming up for the
marriage conference, and we'reinterviewing him.
Um, he is awesome, his family isawesome.
We really appreciate him and hisfamily coming up and being
willing to be interviewed.
And then um a few weeks ago weinterviewed a young lady named
Gwen who also just has a crazystory, and she is just so well

(01:36:52):
articulated and just lovedhearing her and talking with
her.
You guys are definitely in for atreat with all of the upcoming
content.
Um, but as always, thank youguys so much for listening and
thank you so much for tuning in.
Uh, really hope you guys havebeen enjoying this type of
content and look forward to morecontent to come.
Um, thank you guys so much forlistening, and we'll see you

(01:37:13):
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