Living Boldly For Christ As A Pro Athlete Pt. 3 | Interview with Katie Cousins - No Sanity Required

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, today we have Katie Cousins with us.
Katie say hello to everybody.
Hello, and JB is here, Hello.
So Katie's book we're going tobe talking about Katie's book
later in the episode and Katie'swrapping up her time in the
States and she's getting readyto head back to Iceland where

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she's going to be playing.
We'll get into that.
We'll talk about that.
Iceland, where she's going tobe playing We'll get into that.
We'll talk about that.
But before we get into anupdate from Katie on her last
year and what the next year isgoing to look like, we're going
to do some more casual and fundiscussion because Katie lives
with.
She lives in the Taj Mahal,away with the Holloway nation
the Taj Mahal away.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yes, it's the eighth wonder of the world.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
So I don't know.
Jb, I want to ask Katie somequestions.
You know we did that JohnRouleau episode where John asked
me questions.
People really like that.
Katie can give a glimpse intowhat the Holloway household is
like I normally stay upstairs,though Katie's brave I go down
where the boys are.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
She stays down.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Katie.
What is our name?
What name has Laylee and herfriend group coined for middle
school boys?

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Mungus's, the Mungus Pack.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Katie stays down.
You're isolated.
You're in the original Mungusroom, which was Tuck's room, the
OG Mungus.
You're in the original mungusroom, which was Tuck's room OG
mungus, the OG mungus, and youspent a lot of time in my house.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
So both of y'all have seen behind the curtain.
Yep, I don't know.
I would love for you to tellpeople what it's like at my
house.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
People ask me all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Really yes.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
What do you tell them ?
Uh, I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, because you can't.
Part of me is like do you saythey're just normal people?

Speaker 3 (01:53):
but we are not you guys are normal, but then you're
not normal.
Yeah, I don't know, I say it'sfun.
Yeah, I love living therereally comfy couch yeah, I got a
comfy couch I always mentionedthat your wife makes really good
food she's phenomenal there'snothing I've ever tasted that's
bad.
Yeah, her um, you know, livingwith moses hallways crazy, it's

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nuts, moses insane yeah, I don'tknow well, what was moses
calling you the other day?
Oh, so we're in the car going.
We just finished soccerpractice.
I coached his team and he goes.
I mean out of nowhere, 9-1-1,one-share emergency.

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Oh, I got kidnapped by a midgetfrom Iceland.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
I was like what, and then proceeded to have a whole
conversation with the operatoron his fake phone.
He told me.
He was like I know why 911 is911 because of 9-11.
And I was like, no, I don'tthink it's not true?

Speaker 1 (02:54):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
It was 911 before 9-11.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
It was 911 20 years before he thought he cracked the
code, though he thought he hehad it.
You know that was the biggestaha moment in his little 12 year
old brain.
He thought he had figured itout.
Our listeners.
They haven't heard from him ina long time, but they know Mo.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
His voice is starting to.
You need to get it back on.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
I need to get him on People will be shocked.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, it'd be fun.
You won't recognize his voice.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
His voice is deeper than mine.
Yeah, yes, I mean he isfull-blown puberty.
He's puberty to the point.
Uh, yesterday it was.
As we're recording this, thiswould be yesterday.
He, uh little, went to wake himup.
So usually our morning routineI go wake him up at 6 45 and
then little goes down there atlike 650 to make sure he's out
of bed, which he gets up prettygood.
So I didn't go down there.

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I wasn't paying attention tothe time I was reading and I
realized she had just gone downthe steps.
She comes back up and says um,moses said that he got out of
bed and walked outside and pukedat some point this morning.
And so she said I told him tostay in bed, just sleep it off.
So he sleeps it off, but he'sup two hours later, maybe comes

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upstairs.
I went home, maybe did we go.
Were you at the house the sametime I went home to eat.
It was two days ago.
I went home and got it.
Oh, we were off work that day.
This was Monday, so we werefollowing a weekend retreat.
Everybody's gone so I go down.
I go to take him to school.
At 1130.
He wants to go to school.
He's like I want to go toschool the second half of the

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day.
He likes school and they lovehim up there.
Andrews Elementary School.
He is the top dog.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
He's, the kid, he's that kid.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
He is Every teacher, every, I mean.
So he's, I mean he's the bullof the woods.
So we leave to go to school andmy truck smells like a freaking
raw red onion it smells so bad?
Yeah, his BO is so bad, itsmells like you took a

(05:05):
cheeseburger that was heavy onthe onion and scrubbed it in
your armpit.
Yeah, and then took malachi'ssocks and rubbed it there and
took malachi, my other mungushis socks so we're driving to
school and I said, mo, you ain'tput no deodorant on?
He said I forgot.
I said I pulled into dollargeneral, so go get some
deodorant, okay.
So he gets deodorant and putsit on.

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I take it to school.
Yeah, katie and Mo are likeroommates, next door roommates.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
It's fun, though, malachi too.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Me and Malachi always play sequence.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
What's that?
It's a board game oh, I'venever played that one.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
It's a fun board game .

Speaker 3 (05:42):
And I love talking trash to him.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
It's really fun, he gets spun out yeah.
Malachi's fun to mess with.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Trying to think of what people would ask about.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, I don't know A lot of people ask me about you
and Little.
Are they as cool as they seem?
On the stage.
You tell them no, I'm justkidding.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
No man, they're a bunch of goobers.
They are yeah.
But, I'm like yeah, it's cool.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
It's like what you see on stage is what you get at
home.
Yeah, which is what you want.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yes, authenticity yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Or like what you get what you might see in a setting
at camp and meetings and stuff.
That's what you get in the homethat's good, that's encouraging
.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, that's encouraging for me to hear that
perspective from y'all, becauseI do.
People appreciate transparencyand, uh, I, there are enough
people that are in our home thatit would be.
It would be so difficult for usto be living a double high

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stuff.
Yeah, I mean our houses arerevolving door and yeah and it's
not just people popping in towatch a ball game.
I mean, zay came back, came tothe house the other night,
monday night, after basketball.
You know a bunch of snowboardpeople play basketball on Monday
nights at a local church gymand every Monday night he comes
in and every Wednesday nightafter youth he'll bring the kids

(07:13):
home and he just comes in andpiles up on the couch and makes
food.
Whatever we have for supperHe'll heat up leftovers.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
There and there watching the Voice.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
I mean, I want people to know.
I had a conversation recentlyand this is not about us, this
episode, we won't talk withKatie but we've talked on this
podcast about how a shepherdshould smell like his sheep, the
idea that pastors, ministryleaders, should be accessible,

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and we really try to.
We want our lives to be likethat, and I mean there's times
I'm not going to lie there'stimes where it's stressful, like
there was one day last week.
I just wanted to go home.
Little wasn't home.
I just wanted to go home to anempty house and be by myself,
and that wasn't an option yeahso there's times where it can be

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stressful, but you just got towork with it.
My truck becomes my sanctuary,my truck cab.
I'll go drive somewhere up inthe mountains and just sit, but
I love it.
I mean, I think, if the lord,that's why I hate those church
models where me and rob justtalked about this in the thing
that you, where you, youinterviewed us, yeah, um, where
the pastor is on a bunch ofscreens on a bunch of different

(08:28):
campuses.
And that's just crazy, or?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
even like celebrity status pastor, where it's like
he's so big and but never reallywith the body or you know yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
But there's, like so many of us that have been in,
you know his home and stuff thathave just such a good picture.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Dads, moms, marriage Hack and I Kids growing up.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Hack is another girl, another lady on staff, but we
were actually talking about thatthe other day, just how open
y'all's house always is and howappreciative we are, because
there's been times no one knowsI'm coming over and I just show
up.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, no one bats an eyelash or an eye or anything
like that.
Yeah, we, we love that, we want, yeah, we want people to do
that and there's always, there'salways a funny like first year
staff or people in the instituteyeah they.
I think they have this sense ofit being off limits because
it's kind of like that's what'sproper in most circles, but our
home is.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
It's like going into a 1950s sitcom you know it's
like always something going on,yeah, in a world where
everybody's just kind of likeknows everybody and is welcome.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
And and part of it too, I think, is I live in this
little town here where literallyeverybody knows everybody.
Yeah, I literally knoweverybody in town, and vice
versa.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
So I remember one time I came in it was during the
summer, it was late and like abunch of girls like my friends
were planning to sleep over, youknow, with laylee, and so I
came in late and I saw a bunchof bodies like on the couch like
laying, and I just assumed itwas like my friends.
I like started like messingwith one of them and like
peeking up and then I realized Idon't know who this person is

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and it was juju and her friendsand one of them woke up and just
looked at me and I was like I'mso sorry, I'm so sorry, I like
ran back to lately's room but.
I was like.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
They probably think I'm crazy there's so many times
where I come upstairs on theweekends because I'll get up
pretty early and I'm like whoare all these people laying on
couches and floors?
And I'm like what?

Speaker 1 (10:33):
That's so funny.
I was talking to the twins.
One day we have a couple gals,a couple girls, young ladies
that serve on staff here nowthat grew up coming to SWO.
You were their counselor, rightyeah.
Jb was there, worked with themwith their church, was their
small group leader.
Um, now they serve here and wewere talking one day I was.

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It was like life counsel.
They were going through afamily crisis.
You know, their granddad hadpassed.
Y'all know, this was a month ortwo ago, we're we?
I was sitting on the couch withAnnabelle at my house and
everybody.
The house is always loud andbusy and we're just kind of over
in the corner sitting on thecouch and I said, and at one
point we're talking about thisis surreal to her.
This is surreal because shecame to snowbird as a as a camp

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kid as a camper, as a student,for several years and never met
me or little.
Just see us on the stage.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
And it really is a it's got to be.
To me, that's what must beweird.
It's not weird to me thatpeople are in our home, but to
people to then realize, oh,these really are just normal
folks.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Just, we're country, we're Southern, yeah, we're
normal, but at the same time.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, there's a lot of things about us.
Is that not not normal?
There's definitely some thingsnot normal a lot.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
I mean a lot of things.
It it is it's kind of acatch-22 or not a catch-22, but
like a there's two sides to it,because normal in the sense of
accessibility, but yeah, I don'tthink we're normal, I mean I
literally just had a memory runthrough my head when you said
not normal of your wife in herbuck boots and like some big
jacket running through the yardwith a shotgun chasing a chicken

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down the hill.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, and I was just sitting at the window watching
she wanted that rooster dead.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah she killed it yeah, or she killed four rats in
our barn a couple maybe a monthago, and had them all laid out
like trophies.
I'm talking about rats the sizeof my size, 12 and a half.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Nike running shoe it's funny.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Katie and I are movie buddies and book buddies, so
people have a book club.
Katie and I are movie buddiesand book buddies, so you know
people have a book club.
Katie's like the long lost kidthat none of my kids liked the
books that I like and Katielikes them.
So we read.
I read all these books by thisone author.
They're fiction, they'rehistorical fiction books.
The author's name is LouisL'Amour and he wrote a series of

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books about a fictional familythat settled in these mountains.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Oh, cool In the.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Nantahala Mountains in early, early colonial America
, and when she was going toIceland last year, it was when
you were going to leave lastyear, wasn't it?

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Yeah, I was about ready to leave and you were like
wait, I think you will likethese books, I think you'll like
it.
I'll buy you the first two.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah about ready to leave and you were like, wait, I
think you will like this book.
You like I'll buy you the firsttwo, yeah, and so I went over
there with them.
I was like, okay, these aregreat.
Yeah, loved it so good.
And then so that turned intothis, this homestay because when
katie comes in the off seasonshe's home about three months
and this homestay we had.
We made a list of movies tomovies For listeners that care.
Jeremiah Johnson.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Good.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
The Outlaw Josie Wells.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Good.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Tonight we're going to watch Open Range.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Should be good it's going to be awesome because it's
got Robert Duvall.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
He's my favorite character.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
I'd never seen Gladiator.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
The original.
Yeah, that was good.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
We watched Last of the Mohicans last week, last of
the Mohicans, which was good.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
we watched last of the mohicans, last last of the
mohicans which was filmed here.
Did you know that?

Speaker 2 (14:09):
I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
So last of the mohicans is a book by james
finnamore cooper.
It's like an americanliterature classic.
It's about some, a nativeamerican group, during the
french and indian war, and andthe book setting is like New
York, like the Adirondacks ormaybe somewhere up in the
northern Appalachians, but theyfilmed all of that movie here in

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western North Carolina.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
And so it's cool watching it, because we watched
some of the scenes gettingfilmed when they made the Moose
30-year-old movie, but it's areally good movie and the book
was awesome.
Yeah, we watched that at theend of the night.
It has Daniel Day-Lewis, who'sas good an actor as anybody.
He's so good.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
And don't forget about the Proposal.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
The Proposal.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
That was funny.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
So me Katie JB here is over at my house.
I mean, I don't know, it wasone of the other ones nights we
had a house full of people, abunch of people.
It was after a football game,like after the Super Bowl, I
think it was unfortunately whenNotre Dame beat Georgia.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
After Notre Dame beat Georgia.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
So I know that's hard for you.
Jb's a diehard Bulldog fan.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
A diehard Bulldog, not a fan, but an actual bulldog
you identify.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
I identify.
You can do that now.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
We're over there at the house.
I think I was scrolling through, we're trying to find something
to watch and I went oh, theproposal, this is literally my
favorite movie.
And JB pops up and says, oh mygoodness, no way she thought I
was serious.
She's like it's my favoritemovie.
And jb pops up and says, oh mygoodness, no way she thought I
was serious.
She's like it's my favoritemovie too.
And immediately realized as soonas it was coming out of my

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mouth, I was like he is jokingbut I was so excited I was like
me too, and then I was like heis not being serious no, I don't
know nothing about that movie,but rom-com that was funny, that
was real funny.
So, um, let's jump into jb.
You got some some good talkingpoints and questions so yeah uh,

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we've, we've, I think we've.
It's just the third or fourthtime we've sat down, katie one,
two, fourth we sat down beforeyou went to la right, yes.
And then we sat down after thatmost difficult year, when you
were in LA and a lot of folksstarted kind of following your
journey after that episode, yep.

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And then last year we sat downafter you had spent a year in
Iceland, back in Iceland.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah, a quick little one last year.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
So now let's get up to speed on what your last
season in Iceland was like.
Like, and you're gonna go backto iceland.
There were there'sopportunities to play in other
parts of europe, but you justlove it there.
We'll get into some of thatwith jb's talking points, why
you love the icelandic cultureand people and teams and league
and all that um.
So yeah, let's just jump intoit.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Good on your list okay, uh, yeah, so last time I
was on, I was about to go overto Iceland again and I did, and
I switched teams, though, andwent to like the top team.
They had won the league beforethat, so it was a pretty big
shift, but it was great.
I loved my team.
I really liked coaching staff.

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We had a good year.
I mean, we in our league alone,we only lost one game and tied
three times, and we stillfinished second place by one
point, but it was a good season.
We won the cup tournament,which you guys got to watch on
TV.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
That was so cool.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah, so that was like the only game y'all got to
watch, which stinks that youcan't watch more, but that was a
good game to catch.
And then we competed inChampions League, which, if you
don't know what that is, it'slike the top teams in every
European country will compete ina pretty big tournament.

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So we're a smaller country, sowe have to play a couple games
before going to the higherrounds.
So we went to holland for thatand won the first one, lost the
second one, so we didn't make itthrough after that.
But that's kind of like a abucket list item in the world of
football.
Yeah, so that was pretty cool todo that, um.
But yeah, finished season there, came back home in October,

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been here since then, yeah, anddidn't really want to go back to
Iceland Like I was okay with it, um, but I keep saying it's
like I'm torn between the two.
I want to move on, but I alsolove it there, yeah, and so
waited it out in this wintertransfer window and just nothing
was quite.

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I didn't feel quite comfortablewith the stuff that was coming
up.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
I think you had an offer from a team in Portugal.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
And France.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Team in France.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yeah, and just didn't really feel that great about
both of them.
So I'm going back to Iceland,yeah, to play.
I'm not going back to Iceland.
Yeah, to play.
I'm not going back to the teamI played for last year.
I'm going back to the team thatI played my first two seasons
with, thraktur.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Thraktur, thraktur.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Livi.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Thraktur, but it's like close right, it's in the
same town.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, I'll live a mile down the street, okay, from
where I lived last year.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
That's what I thought Interesting.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Decided to play my old team.
Be good.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
That'll be so good.
The city's called Reykjavik.
Reykjavik yep, and it's kind oflike it's one of those deals
where maybe like 80% of thepopulation of the country live
in or around that city, right.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yeah, country live in or around that city, right,
yeah, I think it.
The population of iceland ismaybe like 400 000 and ricky,
vacant kind of the area aroundit I think he's like 280, okay,
and then you just have towns allaround the countryside did you
ever hear?

Speaker 1 (19:57):
uh, me and katie were talking about this other day.
Iceland and greenland werenamed I did know this.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
So like settlers or colonizers or whatever would
like go to Greenland becausethey thought it was nice and
green.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yep, but it's ice, yeah, and Iceland is green some
of the year.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
In the summer?
Yeah, it's not Currently, rightnow it's not great.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
But Greenland's the colder area.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, yeah, hopefully we'll get a good summer this
year.
We had a bad summer last year.
I think the warmest day was 60.
Yeah, even then it was justwindy.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
I've been cracking up because this weather Katie's
like oh, this is a nice day, butfor us it's like gloomy and
kind of chilly and she's like no, this is a beautiful day.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, this is my last morning at work today, and I
was was like this snow isawesome.
Sean was like are you going togo work outside?
I was like yeah, I am.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
I was sitting at my reading spot.
I slept in.
This morning, me and Katie havea morning routine.
I set the coffee pot for like5.20.
Katie gets up at 5.30.
I get up at 5.30.
We both get up at 5 30.
We both get up about 5 30 andshe comes right up and goes to
the coffee pot.

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But I get up and I have alittle routine ice bath, cold
shower out on my back porch toair dry and it's really cold,
you know.
So by the time I go down thesteps it's about 5 45.
She's already got her coffeeand went and settled into her
reading corner down in her room.
So when I come down the kitchenI'm usually by myself.
I sit down with my coffee and Istart reading.
So, katie, so uh, they hadcalled yesterday.

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They called two hour delay forschool this morning.
Like what the heck why they dothat.
I'm sitting there reading andit had just gotten daylight and
we've got two huge 6-0 windowsin the corner.
You know those big windows.
6-0 just means six foot sixfoot windows.
They're massive and that's kindof like my reading corner, but
I have my back to both windows.
Katie walks in and goes uh,have you looked outside and I

(21:55):
look outside and I mean it isjust dumping snow and it's
already white, everything'scovered.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Oh, they're not going to school today yeah, when I
left for I usually leave like730.
And I just stood on the porchfor like 10 minutes and just
watched, I was like this is sopretty.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
When I got, up it wasn't even raining or anything.
And then I went to the bathroom, came out of the bathroom it
was raining.
Then I'm sitting in my carreading and it's like the sleet
starts to turn to snow and thenall of a sudden it's like
pouring down snow crazy I mean,and it don't yeah, and now it's
all gone, yeah, it turned torain this afternoon so that's
fine, yeah it was pretty welllasted, but warmest day you had

(22:37):
all last summer was 60 yeah, itwas just they don't get the same
kind of weather every year,it's just a gross summer what,
what?

Speaker 1 (22:45):
like the previous two summers you were over there,
did you have some days that gotwarmer than that?

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah, the summer before that, my second year
there was the best summer they'dhad in like over 10 years.
It was great.
Now, with that being said, thewarmest day was like 67.
But it was sunny, but it wassunny and it wasn't windy, and
that's where, if you have wind,it's always never going to feel
warm if you don't cloudy a lotright yeah, but that wind,

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because the city's on apeninsula, so all that wind's
come.
It's coming right off the oceancold it's.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
It's like piercing you go swimming in that ocean,
you go cold plunge I've done it.
I don't really do that much hey, jb went cold plunging with me
a little last summer in themighty nana halo, the upper
portion of nana halo, where thecold water comes through the dam
.
That water is like 38 degrees.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
We go down there and cold plunge every day you see
the video last year when I wasthere running off the dock in my
clothes and your friends had tothink you were crazy yeah, we
dropped off for family at theairport.
It's a 45 minute drive andthere's like pools of water in
the rocks from the ocean and oneof them had a dock and I was
like, if there's a dock, I'mgoing off the dock.

(23:56):
So I figured out how to get usaround there and it was
someone's house but nobody washome and I was like, hey, I'm
just gonna run in really quick,no change of clothes or nothing.
So I go run off in my clothes,jump in shoes, on everything,
because it was like rockseverywhere.
I want to cut my feet up.
And then it was so cold it tookmy breath away.
I got out and I ran straight tothe car, took everything off

(24:18):
and then we just rode 40 minuteshome wet and cold, oh man
miserable.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Uh, laylee's like that.
Katie fits so good in ourfamily because I always joke
that laylee's my spirit animalyeah I mean she is me yeah in so
many ways and and katie's a lotlike that and laylee's.
We were last year.
We were we were going to avirginia tech football game and

(24:44):
we went up a day early.
We were staying on the lake atan Airbnb right outside of
Blacksburg and the guy took usout on a pond he's like I'm
going to go ride around and itwas cold.
I mean it was like it was upinto the fall part of the season
.
And Lely said are there anygood cliffs that people jump off

(25:04):
up here?
I mean we're, we're 20 minuteboat ride out there on the water
from his, from the house.
And he said oh yeah, there's aspot over here.
I always see people jumping.
We and I'm driving the pontoonat this point he'd give me the
wheel, so we ride over to thecliffs and laylee jumps off, as
people were in shock they'relike oh yeah what in the world?

Speaker 2 (25:21):
but yeah, I don't know who.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Laylee Holloway is I was about to say.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
One thing I've learned is you don't joke with
Laylee.
I bet you won't do this becauseshe will.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
She'll do it in a second, 100% she will.
Kilby did it last week.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, oh yeah, going on that walk Y'all.
We went on a walk through thispark and it goes by.
Here in the valley and there wasthis new rope swing.
We were like, oh, that's cool.
And Kilby made a comment oflike how much money, or Little
made it or something.
And so Little was like I'llgive you some money and I was

(25:53):
like I'll give you $20.
Kilby was like done no, changeof clothes, nothing.
She goes off of it into thatriver.
She was like I didn't think itwas going to be that cold.
We're like I didn't think itwas going to be that cold.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
We're like Kilby, it's wintertime.
We're not on the equator.
This is not Uganda.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
It's wintertime.
In that river flowing water itwas cold, but she I mean we gave
her a change of top and stuff.
She wore her wet pants and herboots and stuff for the rest of
the walk.
She's a nut the whole timeafter.
She's's like I feel so alive.
This is awesome and I made somemoney that's right, made some
money yeah, she was bragging.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
I came to the house later and she was like let me
show you this video.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
A bunch of money, yeah one time me and little were
uh, we've done that a lot intheir lives.
I mean, I little's jumped offso many bridges where you just
pull up and literally Ishouldn't even probably be
telling this pull up on the on amain highway and little jump
off a bridge and and I'll pick,you know she'll swim around
whatever get come up to the road, jump in the car and we've had

(26:58):
a couple of run-ins with the law, you know, with our kids in the
car.
Oh yeah, I've been there onetime the bridge over in graham
county yeah there's literallylike no jumping off bridge by
state ordinance and it's got thelaw number, whatever little's
like.
If I go real quick, it was.
You know it's winter orwhatever it's like, or fall, it
was fall.
Maybe nobody will ever see me.
She jumps off and then that's aphone pulls the police.

(27:21):
You know graham county sheriff,he's like uh, what are you doing
?
One time we were in wisconsinwhen mugs and kara, uh, so matt
jones, we call him mugs, he ismy executive partner at snowbird
.
So snowbird is led, theday-to-day operation is led by
an executive team, three, threepeople me, matt jones Jones, aka

(27:47):
Muggs, and then Hank Parker Jr,who's been on this podcast.
So at the time, before he camehere to serve, mugs was running
a for-profit sports camp up inwisconsin, what's called.
It's like iceland, I mean theyhave warmer summers, but he's
right up next to the canadianborder.
So we went up to lake superior.
We were up, we were up therehunting.

(28:07):
We'd gone up there it was likelate october on a hunting trip
and I was like I'm gonna seelake superior.
So we ride up there and there'sa marina and all the boats are
on these lifts up out of thewater because the lake freezes
over.
But it hadn't started to freezeyet, but it was cold and I said
I'm not coming all the way uphere, not jumping in this lake.
I'm going swimming in LakeSuperior.
So I run down this dock but Istrip down to my skivvies, you

(28:33):
know, and I go in and I did notknow there is a restaurant on
the marina and you can't tell,it just looks like there's
buildings.
Yeah, but and the parking lotwas on the other side of the
restaurant.
It was hidden, and this place,this marina, looks like a ghost
town and I'm literally doinggainers off the dock and

(28:53):
swimming in front of and when I,when I come, out of the water,
finally get out yeah, finallyget out.
And uh and little's laughing.
We realize literally you cansee people's faces up against
the window.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
They're all looking out at these stupid idiots from
down south, you know.
Hey, life's more fun that wayyeah.
I did that when I was inCleveland.
Whatever lake is right there.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Cleveland, ohio.
Yes, I went up.
The reason I lake is rightthere, cleveland, ohio.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Yes, I went up to those.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
The reason I said that is because there's a
Cleveland right down the roadhere.
There's two.
There's one in Georgia and onein Tennessee.
I think that's Erie.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yes, I think, and I was speaking at an event in
January dumping snow and samething.
I was like I've never been tothe Great Lakes.
I'm getting in.
Ran into the water jumped in.
Same thing when I was up in Iwas at the mississippi river in
minneapolis and I was about tohave that surgery done and I
told my trainer I was like yo,I'm getting in the river and he

(29:44):
was like okay, so we pull overbefore we go to the hospital.
So I jump in, I had changedclothes, change and then the
surgeon was like we're gonnahave to clean your leg extra gig
because you just jumped in thatdirty river and I was like,
sounds good do what you want.
It was worth it.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, that's funny um , katie, I'm always curious
about like the culture inIceland and like, specifically,
I guess, the culture regardinglike Christianity.
Um, I really don't have even athought of like you know, what's
it like?
Is it popular, is it common, isit rare, is it hated?

(30:20):
What's the deal on that?

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Yeah, their culture in regards to Christianity is on
paper, they look like a really,really like strong Christian
country.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
And it's because of their national church.
So, like, when you're born, youget registered to the church,
and I mean all my teammates,they've been registered to
national church.
So that's just the stat rightthere.
But if you ask any of myteammates, they've only been in
a church maybe twice in theirlife.
So it's it's on paper.

(30:56):
A very christian country.
It is not lived out and peopledon't go to church.
Um, they have everything theyneed in their eyes.
Yeah, um, like so manyconversations of wait, I, why I
don't, I don't need you this,because I'm good, I have I got
my family, I have kids, I have agood job, I like living here.
Yeah, um, so it's non-existentthere.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, a couple of years ago, when I was in high
school, we went on a missiontrip to Montreal, canada, and I
remember we used to go to likeEl Salvador, and so I was like
Canada, where are we going toCanada?
My youth pastor, jody, was likeI think it's like 0.2% of
people are believers, cause it'svery similar, like they're not

(31:40):
hungry and they're not, you know, like they have everything that
they need, um, and so that'sinteresting.
I didn't know Iceland was likethat.
Yeah, the.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
I was listening to a podcast.
I mean not a podcast.
I was watching an interview theother day, this guy that we've
been talking about a lot, wesHuff, who all of a sudden is
mainstream because he was on Joe.
Rogan and just was phenomenal.
So I've been kind of followinghis work and he was.

(32:13):
Let's see, he was talking withRussell Brand.
I don't remember.
I think Russell Brand was onWes Huff's podcast and they
asked him about his.
so Russell Brand is like aformer, you know movie star or
whatever he's a big timeinfluential guy, culture shaper,

(32:36):
but known as being just acomplete hedonist sex, drugs,
rock and roll addiction and sohis journey to faith was real,
was chronicled very publiclylast year, including his baptism
, so he's now professingchristian.
He and and it seems like it'svery legit Like this dude's

(32:56):
really made a profession offaith, which I think he was
married to, katy Perry.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, I was about to say.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, and just by his own description hedonistic
lifestyle, just straight sexualpromiscuity He'll say he was
living for fame and sexualpromiscuity and achieving all of
that.
And Wes Huff asked him how didyou get to this point of faith?
And he starts walking throughhis story and at the crux of it

(33:28):
he got married and started toreally feel the need, like the
longing to settle down withmeaning and purpose in a
relationship, because he hadjust been so promiscuous and he
and his wife had I think theyhave three kids.
But they had a kid who wassevere, had some severe medical
condition I don't remember whatit was now, but was like

(33:49):
possibly gonna die yeah, and sowes huff basically turns the
conversation to yeah, whenpeople suffer, they're most ripe
to receive the gospel, you know, or just that.
So you talk, you compare, youknow, the poverty of el salvador
to the wealth of montreal, andthere's no desperation in

(34:11):
montreal or in reykjavik,iceland, where everybody's
comfortable.
They got what they need, theygot more than they need yeah, I
think that's why it's sodifficult.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Yeah, and they like I've had conversations too where
so many people are I'm like,all right, so what's like?
What's after this?
Like, all right, I know you sayyour purpose in life is to be a
good person.
You want to do right by yourfriends and family.
What's after this?
You're like, well, you just die.
Yeah, I'm like, and you're justgood with that.

(34:41):
Like just dying and going offto whatever.
Yeah, I'm good with it.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah, I can't do that yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
You wonder, you know, I wonder what their attitude
would be with a terminal illness, you know, or if they're faced
when they're, when they'rereally faced with death.
You hear a lot of people talkabout how that's when, that's
when they really, when they'refaced with their own mortality,
they start to consider thosethings.
Uh, but you know that there'sthat.

(35:10):
Jesus tells that story where,you know, guy, he's so rich, so
and he's got all these, you know, he's got a massive facility
where he stores all of his.

(35:31):
You know, wealth was measuredoften not by money but by
livestock and possessions, andcrops and fields and land and
harvests.
And this guy has to build extraharvest supply houses, you know
, like grain bins and barns toput up.
He's just got so much.
And then, you know, he makesthe comment eat, drink and be
merry.
He might die tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
But then it's like, oh, tonight your soul's going to
be required of you.
And then there's this soberingmoment where he realizes, oh,
there's so much more than whatI've lived for.
And people, people in in europe, are so post-christian right
now.
I wonder what happens aroundthe culture of death.

(36:08):
You know, like when a person'sclose to death, you know they
start to consider those thingsUm, and that that's where
longevity of ministry is so goodfor.
You know when, when you putroots down in a, in a community
or in a certain area you knowwe've been doing ministry here
for so long.
I was talking with Lely theother day like, if God gives, I

(36:30):
mean I might die tomorrow, butif the Lord lets me live another
20 years, 30 years ofproductive life here, and then
you minister here for all ofyour life, our family will have
had a century of ministry impacton this one community.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
It's just cool to think about.
But when you do that, that'swhen you're going to come that
person that says eat, drink andbe merry, merry, or I'm happy or
I don't need jesus.
There's going to be a pointwhere they, where they realize
something's outside ofthemselves and that might be a
good transition to the churchyou've plugged into.

(37:06):
Over there you talk a littlebit about that because there
it's a reminder god alwaysraises up a faithful remnant in
every you know culture, society,city, town.
That's what the gospel is doingis it's raising up a faithful
remnant in every you knowculture, society, city, town.
That's what the gospel is doingis it's raising up a church
that reaches every city andvillage and country.
And so I think you've you'vehad an incredible experience

(37:28):
with your home church inreykjavik yeah, it's called you.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Remember the name of it no, I know it's't.
It's called Loftafon BaptistKirky Means Upper Room Baptist
Church.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Loftafon.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah what he said.
Yeah, it's cool how I gotplugged in there.
I remember when I found out Iwas going to go to Iceland.
I remember us researchingchurches, but the church I went
to in college also reached out.
They're like hey, we supportthis church oh cool, um, because
they were a startup, I think.
They are like, I think they're10 years old.

(38:05):
The churches, um and I thinkthat when we were looking they
were only one of two churches wefound so it was pretty english
yeah english and then your yourchurch from Knoxville yeah,
there's another church that's inEnglish and they're a
Pentecostal church in the citythat might be fun.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
I've heard some stories might be a good time
should go visit it one day.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
But yeah, got plugged in pretty quick with those guys
.
I really love that church a lot.
So it's an Icelandic church,it's in english, but I think we
maybe have like four or fiveicelandic families in the church
and then a couple of americansmarried to an icelander in the

(38:48):
church.
Other than that, everybody elseis from somewhere outside of
iceland.
Cool, I mean, on a given Sundaywe'll have 16 countries
represented of peopleconsistently coming.
It's pretty cool.
Yeah, we get a lot of refugeefamilies, so we've seen people
come.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
You said most of the refugees in Iceland are from
Venezuela.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
We've had some Venezuelan families, some
Ukrainian families, we've had acouple of Iranian families, so
like we actually had a hugegroup of refugee families the
last year and a half or the lasttwo years now, and we've had to
say bye to some of them, whichwas pretty sad, knowing, like,
what they're going to go back to.
Like a couple of them are onhit lists in their countries.

(39:32):
They're having to go back, butwe've had some families get
accepted, like two months ago,which is cool.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
To stay?
Yeah, they get to stay.
They get their Residency.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Social security numbers, they can get jobs now.
They've been living here fortwo years, not had a job.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Refugee status is tough in most countries because
you get to live there but youcan't work you can't take up
jobs or you're basically just ona basic minimum handout.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Mm-hmm.
And so the church like part ofthe giving that goes to the
church, they go get grocerycards and support these families
so that they can get groceries,because a lot of them have kids
, yeah, for sure.
So support them in that way.
Yeah, yeah, I like the church alot.
Yeah, it's fun that's cool.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
We were talking earlier before we started
recording about, um, I feel likethree big stages in your life
college, la, and then icelandand you mentioned how it was a
priority each time to you know,find community and find a church
, and I think that's at leastthe stage of life that I'm in.
That's a huge thing that I seepeople kind of fall away at or

(40:42):
just not be like super diligentat.
And so would you talk aboutthat just like the drive, like
why it's so important?

Speaker 3 (40:50):
what do you look for when you're looking for a good
church home, good communitystuff like that why it's so
important yeah, I think I don'tknow if I was like looking for
something specific in all thosechurches, but it was more of I
asked people, like I canremember asking you about
churches in Knoxville yeah andthen asking people about
churches in LA.

(41:11):
Yeah, and then the church I wasgoing to in college told me
about the church in Iceland.
So I I just trusted the peopleI was talking to about
recommendations but, yeah, itwas a priority when I went to
school.
Can I get plugged inimmediately?
One because I like being aroundpeople.
But two, just, I think thecommunity aspect is so important

(41:31):
, just to be able to have peopleyou can talk, to, sit under,
get teaching, just being infellowship with other believers,
yeah, um, so college la, all ofit.
I'm like I don't know where Iwould have been without, yeah,
having the community around mein all those situations wait,
what church did you go to inknoxville?

Speaker 2 (41:51):
it's called severe heights oh yeah, I went to.
Uh, what's the college ministrythat they have?
The Walk, the Walk.
I went to the Walk a coupletimes.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
How far is Carson Newman from that area?

Speaker 2 (42:02):
It's like 45 minutes.
Oh, cool yeah the.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Walk's gotten big.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Yeah, huge.
It's gotten very big.
It's a huge ministry.
Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
The company we're using to do our master
development plan for camp as westart this expansion.
They are members of that churchand they designed and did the
campus development design planfor that church.
It's a big campus.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah, it really is.
That's cool.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
They send a team over every year to do an English
camp at Wadsworth.
Yeah, oh, that's cool.
They send the team over everyyear, uh, to do an english camp
at washington.
Yeah, oh that's so cool andthey just invite local families
in the it's like in aneighborhood the churches, and
so they just go around door todoor inviting families.
Yeah, send their kids over yeah, I also am curious.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Even just like in my brain I'm picturing sort of like
just the differences of eachchurch.
You know, like I'm sure yourchurch in Iceland looks way
different from the church in LA,from the church you know in
Knoxville.
You know, like even justworship or like, how things look
.
So will you just give us alittle bit of insight on that?

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Yeah, the church in LA was John MacArthur's church.
I remember walking there thefirst time.
I didn't know I was going tothis church.
I just knew people that weregoing to it and just asked my
first Sunday, can I come tochurch with y'all?
Yeah, so we're walking up andI'm like my gosh, this is a
whole village of people herewhen is a whole village of

(43:41):
people here where are we yeah?
they're like, oh, it's, it'scalled grace, and I was like,
okay, they're like that's johnmcgarth's church.
I was like that explains whythere's so many people here.
And it was huge.
It was huge.
And then I went to my church iniceland where we have like,
yeah, I think, 30 members in thechurch.
We'll have like maybe 50 to 100people every sunday and it's so
different yeah and then youtalk about music.
Well, they have a wholesymphony there.
It's just me and a microphoneand piano for our church in

(44:03):
Iceland yeah, so different.
um, but both churches aresinging like good biblical songs
.
Yeah, um, I know it'scompletely different and a lot
of people will be like, yeah,this music doesn't fit me and
stuff.
But I know, for me I'm like ifyou're just singing good
biblical songs and worshipingJesus with other people, like

(44:24):
it's still good, yeah, and theteaching's faithful.
Yeah, teaching's good.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yeah, I'm always encouraged by like.
I remember you showing me somevideos of your church in Iceland
and just so encouraged of likeman.
It just looks so different evenfrom like red Oak, but it's
just still so good.
And you know, I don't know.
People get so caught up insilly things.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
I appreciate that you asking that question, jb.
You did a good job with thatquestion when you interviewed
all the college students on thecollege episode.
It's so important and it'simportant for people to
understand the value of churchfellowship and congregational
membership and a lot of peoplethere's a lot of people that I

(45:12):
know well that don't believe.
They'll say, well, churchmembership's not biblical or you
shouldn't be tied to one churchand this is not what we're
going to get into in thisepisode.
Maybe we'll do an episode aboutthat later, but it's just not
true.
And you see the fellowship andcommunity of the church working
together in the book of Acts andthen also in Hebrews 10, that

(45:37):
verse that says don't forsakethe assembling of yourselves
together, as the manner of someis.
It's a command and instructionin scripture to meet with God's
people in worship.
So, yeah, I appreciate youshedding or shining a light on
that, because it's somethingthat people I think need to be
aware of.
I'm not of the opinion thatwhen you go on family vacation
you need to find a church onthat Sunday.
I know a lot of people do.

(45:58):
When we go on family vacation,we typically our our family
vacation looks different thanmost.
Ours is typically in a secluded, isolated place with nobody
except hollow ways you know,because because what we're
saying earlier, we live.
Because of what we were sayingearlier, we live such an open
book life.
So typically, when we traveland go somewhere, we don't go to

(46:20):
church, unless, but other thanthat, church is priority.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
For most people.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
it's not priority.
When it's convenient, we go,which is why I appreciate Red
Oak.
If I plug and shout out ourchurch Red Oak, I'd love the
faithfulness of that communityof believers.
And it's pretty consistentthere's a high-value place.
Don't come together to worshipeach week.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
I legit will plan trips and when I come home, when
I leave, so I can be at churchon Red Oak, like this weekend,
when they're like when are youcoming?
Because they wanted me theretwo weeks ago I was like I can't
go back until Monday, the 24th.
I was like I got stuff to do.
They're like okay, deal, got togo to Red Oak.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Hey, I get to preach this Sunday.
I typically preach the firstSunday of the month, but
February got jumbled andswitched around and we are in a
survey series of Job and I getto preach.
I didn't ask Joseph for this,but I got assigned one of my
favorite passages, passages ofscripture in the whole Bible.
It's that four chapter stretchwhere God speaks to Job out of

(47:25):
the whirlwind.
Three chapters 39, 40, 41, whichsays brace yourself like a man,
and he answers him out of thewhirlwind.
And then god just goes on thislike declaration of his
authority and sovereignty.
It's one of my favoritepassages, I read it out loud
this morning.
I was like everything to thispoint has been a survey, because

(47:47):
we've done huge chunks.
I was like I need to read allthree of these chapters, almost
four chapters.
So I read it this morning andit took 10 minutes.
So I'm starting by reading thewhole thing Sunday night and
then I can't wait, I'm going tospend 25 minutes unpacking it.
20 to 25 minutes unpacking it.
I'm stoked.
Anyway, it'll be your lastSunday.

(48:07):
I'm glad you get to stay.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Yeah, me too.
And then back to love some fun.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
We heart Red Oak.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
In Iceland we say I els.
And then back to Lofstenfjallnwe heart.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Red Oak, Lofstenfjalln.
In Iceland we say I've learnedsome Icelandic.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Yeah, ready Ney, that means no, I was going to guess
that that meant no, I say thatall the time.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Still, I know.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
I started picking it up from you.
What's yes?
Ja, ja, and that's it nay katiealways says yo okay, so I kind
of want to talk to you aboutyour time here in the states.

(48:51):
What is it like three months,four months that you're here?

Speaker 3 (48:54):
I've had almost four and a half months this time.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
It's never the same yeah.
Yeah, this is the longest timeI've had at home, yeah, but I
know that that can be sometimeshard, even sometimes when I go
home on the weekends, you know,just gearing back up to go back
to work or, you know, go back toIceland.
I know that's a silly analogythat I just used, but I kind of

(49:16):
want to just hear about, likeyour thoughts about going back.
What like you've been in prayerabout, how can like we be
praying for you gearing back upto go?
Just stuff like that Leaving,leaving this community, going to
a good community still, butjust different and might be
harder in some areas.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
So just stuff like that yeah, I think this year is
pretty bittersweet because youknow I love being here.
It is home.
But I am very excited to goback to Iceland because I do
have it's like a second home now.
Yeah, been there three years.
Previous years it's beendifferent because it never felt
like a second home.
So I was pretty sad to leave.

(49:55):
I can remember leaving twoyears ago and I think I cried
the first 24 hours.
I was like what am I doing?
Why?
did I leave again like but thisyear, like, I'm gonna be sad for
sure, but I am very excited togo back um, but it's it's always
so nice to come back home aftera long season and just not do
any working out or anything forat least two, three weeks and

(50:16):
just be here, just be withpeople.
Go see my parents travel arounda little bit.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
And then settle into the Taj Mahal away and we eat
copious amounts of ice cream.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Me and Katie have consumed because Greg and Kilby
were here.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Oh yeah, they don't stay with us this has been the
worst winter I've had this hasbeen I.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
It's the first winter I ever remember gaining weight
like I've actually gained it'sice cream weight ice cream
weight it's a thing and so butit's been so fun it's been so
fun, but me and katie weretalking.
You know the days are finallystarting to get a little bit
longer.
Hopefully it's going to startwarming up.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
And I'm going to start.
I've already kind of made thecommitment to scale it back and
get back in some sort ofsemblance of decent physical
condition.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
We'll have one last go on Sunday night.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yes, we will.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
One last go on Sunday night we're going to choose
what we're going to get.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
I'm voting Tillamook.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
That orange cream one , no, something else.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Not that flavor, that's been good, but Tillamook
as a brand.
Because they use Tillamook whenthey make their ice cream.
They use cream, not just wholemilk, they use like heavy cream.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Interesting, that's good.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Milk fat.
It's wonderful.
It's very Icelandic.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
It's always very nice to come home and just do stuff
like that.
I don't really have to worryabout what I'm eating and all
that kind of stuff.
It's just nice to you know thatchurch there I said it I do
worship and stuff there everySunday I can.
It's so nice to come home andjust be in the congregation.
That's a big change.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
And because you play the piano and sing there and
you're not I mean that's stillfairly new Like you're not an
expert piano player, so it's no,I still think I'm a bad piano
player.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
You have to work hard at that.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
I mean, I can't imagine the stress of that.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Yeah, I am not.
I taught myself how to playpiano so I know all the chords
and I can keep it beat and singyeah, and that's it.
And I haven't got any better atit.
And so every Sunday I'm stilllike stressed out because I
don't want to mess it up,because I'm the only person
doing it.
That's crazy.
So if I mess up, everybody elseis messing up with me and
staring at me.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
When you're here, what are they doing?
They play a CD or they not havemusic.
Is it acapella?

Speaker 3 (52:38):
A lot of times I do Spotify.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
When I first got there, they had two ladies doing
acapella and that's when I waslike, hey, I'm learning chords,
I can just play the chords andyou at least have something to
sing to.
That's bold, yeah, yeah.
So I basically was learning iton sundays doing that's crazy I
remember you would send a videoor audio.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Hey, check this out.
How bad is this?

Speaker 3 (53:02):
because then, after a couple weeks of doing that, the
lady that was singing was likehey, I'm leaving the country for
the next couple weeks, can yousing as well?
And I was like, uh, sure, do Ihave a choice?
See how good it goes, so I'vedone that last years, but it's
nice to come home and justworship here at Red Oak and a
full band and a lot of people,and it's just different.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
It's just really nice .
Yeah, I think that a lot, evenabout Little, because she does
worship all the time forSnowbird and for Red Oak and so
I'll think that I'm like wonderif she ever misses.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
you know, just being a part of the congregation and
yeah yeah, it's very rare thatshe gets to, but she does enjoy
it yeah it was a couple weeksago she she didn't do it yeah,
she asked donovan to.
This was at church and so shecould just hold the grandbaby
and be with Kilby and.
Laylee.
She's right back there betweenKilby Laylee and Juju.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
And yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Yeah, anytime I can there, like I will say, I do
love doing it.
Yeah, it's so.
I really enjoy it.
So anytime I can on Sundaysthere I'm like, yeah, I'll do
music.
I'll do music Because I can'tdo it every Sunday.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Sometimes I can't go to church, which goes back to it
adds one more layer to thatpoint we were making about how
important, like you know, when Iwas saying I appreciate JB
bringing up the importance offinding a church and plugging in
not just finding a church andattending three out of four
Sundays and kind of walking inand sitting down, clocking in,
clocking out, yeah.
To the fullest of mycapabilities.

(54:36):
I want to plug in here and be apart of what's going on.
That's a word for people that Iwould challenge all of our
listeners Get involved in yourchurch.
There's something you can do tobe involved.
Don't be a consumer, don't justbe a consumer and a critic the
two C words.
When people come to churchthey're either consumers or
critics, or both.
Like they criticize the sermonor they criticize the music or

(54:59):
they criticize.
You know they're just criticalor they just consume.
I just want to come in get mycoffee sit down and I want to
get there late but I want to geton the back row.
But everybody fights for theback row, you know like just get
out of that mindset and be apart of it, you know.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Yeah, one of the things I love that we do is
we're almost getting to thepoint where it's becoming tough
now, but we have a meal afterour services over there Cool, so
we'll meet.
Small enough crowd.
You can always do it, justsmall enough crowd and we get a
lot of tourists.
What do y'all eat?
I mean, we eat all kind ofstuff.
Basically, there's like arotation of families, all from

(55:34):
different countries, and whenthey're up they just make food
from their country.
So there's no telling whatyou're going to get on a Sunday
and it's always so good.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
You ate Iranian food.
What was that like?
What?

Speaker 2 (55:43):
was that, what did?

Speaker 1 (55:44):
they eat.
I don't even remember who knows.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
But yeah, we've eaten all kind of stuff.
Yeah, it's cool because we geta lot of tourists and we'll
announce it at the end of everySunday, Like, hey, we're going
to have a meal outside hang out.
Yeah, it's so fun.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Is it outside, outside?
Inside it's just in the nextroom or something.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Yeah, it's in our lobby area.
Also has a bunch of tables inthe kitchen and stuff.
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
What is the Icelandic diet?
We've talked about this alittle bit, but not a lot.
They eat a lot of fish, don'tthey?
A?

Speaker 3 (56:18):
lot of fish lamb.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
They eat a lot of lamb because there's sheep
herding on the island.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Is it an island?
It's a big island, yeah it's ahuge island.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
It's an island nation .

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Yeah, sheep are everywhere.
I mean, it's not much differentfrom here Okay, they got
McDonald's.
Much different from here.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
okay, they got mcdonald's, no mcdonald's, oh
they got green beans, but theydon't put no bacon in them.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
You can't get pork they don't know what sausage and
bacon is.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
You can get bacon you said that, but what you weren't
saying sausage.
I was about to say, that's whatthey don't know what, they
don't know what sausage is thosepeople?

Speaker 3 (56:47):
you're talking about sausage.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
I know I'm thinking about taking some hey, we just
butchered a hog and we've beeneating.
That sauce is good, ain't it?
That pig we just killed, oh mygosh, it's good.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
So they don't have that, so I need to maybe figure
out a way to get some over there.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
I'm big on the pig.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Big on the pig.
I'm big on the pig.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Kind of also jumping back to like serving in the
church, like there's somethingto say about even using Katie as
an example, like she's notfully comfortable, you know,
like playing, like it's notsomething she's done forever.
So I think even that I thinksometimes people can stray away
and be like well, I don't knowhow to do it, or I'm not
comfortable serving, or whatever.
But I'm encouraged by that oflike you know you're serving,

(57:29):
not to flex your abilities toplay the piano or like your
voice, but to serve and toworship and to provide for
others.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
So I think that's really cool they're true yeah,
there's been so many times whereI totally butchered I mean one
time the in christ alone song.
There's four verses.
I switched two and three andeverybody else was singing
something else.
Well, I have the microphone, Istart singing.
I'm like I'm not singing thesame thing as everybody else, so

(57:58):
I backed up.
I started laughing so hard.
But they're all pretty great,like they just kept going yeah
so many things like that.
Yeah, I rarely go withsomething without messing
something up part of it.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Um, okay, katie is a published author and I want to
hear more about your book.
What is it?
Just be faithful.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
It's called just be faithful yes um available on
amazon, amazon and in the snackshack yeah, I think they're
trying to get it onto the thewebsite at the store.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
I think it might be already, but I'll double check
that, yeah, I wrote a book.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
When I came home from LA that winter, this woman,
Susan Greenwood, convinced me towrite a book.
She was like hey, you shouldwrite a book about your
experience in LA.
I was like well, I'm not awriter at all.
I literally chose a majorbecause I didn't have to write
papers.
She was like what about adevotional style book?

(58:57):
It's shorter stuff?
And I was like, all right, I'llgive it a go, just spent the
next eight months writing um itwas.
It was pretty cool, like it wasgood to just go through some
stuff too, like writing it.
Um, it was also verychallenging because after about
20 entries I was like I'm donewriting, but I still had to
write like 10 more.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
So that was challenging, but it's out.
That's crazy.
Yeah, brady did my forward.
That was cool.
I've gotten good feedback on it, yeah.
That was cool.
I've gotten good feedback on it.
Yeah, it's called Just BeFaithful because I feel like
that was.

(59:39):
I've heard it a bunch beforethe whole LA thing.
But you know, in my own headthat's what I was telling myself
all the time.
But I'm also hearing it from somany people here over there.
Like all right, like just everyday, just plug away and just be
faithful.
Like, keep your like mind fixedon that to just be faithful to
Jesus today.
Um, whether you have a good dayor bad day, like can you just

(01:00:02):
be faithful today?

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
yeah, um, I, I love that.
I love it so much because we'rewe've tried to, we've tried to
pare down.
I want to quiz, I want to quizy'all just a little bit here.
We've tried to pare down, Iwant to quiz, I want to quiz
y'all just a little bit here.
We've tried to pare down thechristian life at swo into a few
phrases that will stick inpeople's heads.
One of them is just be faithful.

(01:00:25):
Can you think of any other ones?

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
take a day off.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Get eaten by the lion keep your hands to the plow,
yep um those are the two bigones yeah and, and it's that,
and every one of those carries aa simple but life-changing.
It's, it's like a mantra take aday off, get eaten by a lion.
It comes from a, a story in theold testament.
Which guy is so faithful?

(01:00:49):
and then, just one day, he justdecides to be disobedient and do
what he wants to do, and it itcosts him his life, and the idea
is there's no days off in theChristian life and then hand to
the plow, keep your hand to theplow, you know, jesus said no
man who puts his hand to theplow and looks back is fit for
the kingdom of God.
So just keep your hand on theplow and keep plowing, plow on,

(01:01:11):
plow on.
I sign off my off hand to theplow.
So I do like coming.
You know, narrowing things downto simple, single little
phrases that encapsulate amassive mindset to the Christian
life and every day, in everysituation, you can be faithful,
faithful to the Lord, faithfulto your calling.
And that summed up your your inla, which you know, I'd

(01:01:36):
encourage people, jb, maybe,maybe let's link that episode
that post la episode for sure umyeah in the show notes to this
episode that's kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
When we and katie were planning questions and
topics to talk about, I wasasking her.
I told her I was I kind ofdon't like the question you know
, what is the Lord teaching youright now?
Like, sometimes that's a bitoverwhelming, or like, but we
were just started talking andshe was like I just kind of feel
like I'm, you know, kind of inthe mundane, like you know I'm

(01:02:09):
not.
I don't feel like I'm in acrazy season of growth or not,
that I'm walking away oranything.
And then we just kind ofstarted talking like that's,
that is the Christian lifethough.
You know, like there, there'sgoing to be seasons of LA where
you know every day you'restruggling and having to remind
yourself and it's hard, and thenobviously Katie has grown so
much from that.
And then there's seasons whereit's this, where it's like yeah,

(01:02:32):
it's like, yeah, it's good.
But it's just you know, I stillhave to be faithful, but it's
not like there's anything crazyhappening or you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
But it's just that mundane life like, day in, day
out, just being faithful, youknow sometimes it's harder to be
faithful in those seasonsbecause, it's not such a dynamic
thing, which is, you know, inrevelation, when jesus is
speaking to the churches, and Ithink it's the church at
laodicea where he says you'reneither hot nor cold, you're

(01:03:02):
lukewarm that's that that's thatbeing faithful in the mundane
is what keeps you from beinglukewarm yeah and, and I tucks
got that tattoo, I think it's onhis thigh.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
It says highs and lows lows I think that's from a
song.
It is.
I love that song.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Well, I don't know if I know that song.
I'm sure I do.
Would I have heard that song?
Is it one we sing here?

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
We don't sing it here , but I think Little.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Likes.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
It Tissue.
You've probably heard it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Then I probably would have heard it.
It's I talk about this a lot inthis Philippian study we just
did in Winterswough, eb and flowhighs and lows.
Most of your life is lived inthe and Highs and lows.
And if you're graphing highpoint, low point, you're looking
at a chart or a graph andyou're taking a pen and you're
drawing a high point on a graphand then a low point, then a

(01:03:52):
high point and then a low point.
That's the Christian life.
That baseline through themiddle is the end.
That's where most of your lifeis going to be lived.
That's probably the hardestplace to be really faithful and
not grow cold, because whenyou're in the highs you're just
so on fire for Jesus and whenyou're in the lows it's that

(01:04:13):
crucible of suffering we talkedabout.
And when you're in the lowsit's that crucible of suffering
we talked about.
And I think something Iappreciate about Katie, about
your walk, is LA.
It's easy to look back at thatand go, oh, I see how the Lord
was growing you.
But a season of life where yougo yeah, I'm just kind of in a
holding pattern or I'm justthere's nothing crazy going on

(01:04:33):
being faithful then can beharder sometimes I think, yeah,
I would agree.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
I uh, after we talked about that, I went in.
I remember, like I say, I'm nota writer, but I do like just
writing my thoughts and stuffdown sometimes yeah, I was like
I think I wrote something indecember talking about this and
I went and found it, um, and itwas.
It was almost like at a pointwhere it was like what am I

(01:04:59):
doing right now?
But it was.
And then just quickly remindingmyself like, well, it's just
not like a crazy time of liferight now, but can I just keep
staying in the word, keep timein prayer, like just staying
faithful, yeah, yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Do you have any plans for the future?
Do you get that question a lot?

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Yeah, we've talked about it.
I get that question, especiallyevery year I come back and I've
played another year.
I get that question so much andI've had it.
I've had it a lot this year.
Um, and I I just tell everybodyI'm like I don't know, because
I haven't played soccer since Iwas four.
That's all.
I've ever done is play soccer.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
So I'm not sure Yep To be announced, yeah To be
decided.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Hopefully we'll be able to keep playing for a
couple more years.
That would be awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Well, I can tell you, when the career ends, she will
have a job as well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
I was about to say, and it will not be just stacking
firewood.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Katie works when she's here, she.
She works part, a little morethan part-time.
I don't want to say part-time,but you don't work all day every
day, but you put in a good bitof hours, um, just doing work on
our grounds crew.
She enjoys it.
I think you really enjoy that.
But yeah, we'll put her to work.
We got as long as she wants tobe here If the Lord doesn't move

(01:06:21):
her somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Yeah, so we'll see.
Yep, It'll definitely be a biglife change.
Yep, when I'm done.
I know I'll be good and stuff,yeah, but it's going to be a big
life change For sure.
But it's going to be a big lifechange for sure yeah, it will.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Tuck has talked about when his football career ends
opening up with a buddy.
He's got a couple buddies.
One plays at Michigan, has anational championship ring.
One's now at Chapel Hill.
He just transferred from a BigTen school.
He's going to go play forBelichick at Chapel Hill.
But they've talked aboutopening a facility somewhere
between here and maybe aroundWaynesville.
Yeah, that would be alegitimate training facility for

(01:07:00):
up-and-coming athletes becausethere's nothing really like that
here.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Yeah, that'd be cool.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
That'd be cool, you'd definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Yeah, I definitely want to stay around soccer
somehow because I mean I love it, Playing it, watching it,
getting to coach Mo's team, itwas fun.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
You're here for just enough time to do four or five
Mondays of instruction withthose kids, and it's so fun
making the most of your time.
It could be cool if you're heredoing that long term.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Yeah, giving them a different style of coaching.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Yeah, yeah, because a little community like this,
very few people ever playedsoccer.
So you know, kids, you're justtrying to keep them active and
be fun to see them getinstructed.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Well, we're going to miss Katie.
I'm going to miss Katie.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Oh, last thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
We have Katie, and I have a plan for August of 2026.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Yes, let's go, let's hear it.
Okay, so it was the plan forAugust 2025, until this morning
and I realized we missed thedate.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
We missed the draw date.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
So reindeer hunting in Iceland.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Oh, they look like for people listening.
Reindeer look very similar tocaribou, so they're a hooved
animal.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
This might be stupid, but reindeer are real.
They're real, yes ma'am, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
That's why I said they look like caribou, because
a lot of times people go wait,reindeer are real, so it's like
in Siberia.
There are massive reindeerfarms where people herd the
things.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
I thought they were fictional.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
No, they're real.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
It's called JB a dummy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Look, I'm gonna look it up.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
I'm like, but can they fly?
And like, do they carry?

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Okay, so Okay, now you're asking Dumb questions.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
This is when you enter Into the mungus category,
so the plan is to.
It was this year's plan.
You know, I really want them Tocome to Iceland, so I'm like
man, I gotta find somethingbesides myself to entice them
over to iceland.
So hunting, of course, ofcourse.
So they have reindeer hunting.
So we looked it up august.
But you have to go through anoutfitter yeah, but the draw was

(01:09:08):
two two weeks ago so we missedit.
So now the plan is for nextyear.
Make sure we have everythingready to go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
August 2026.
Put it in your calendars, folks.
Here's one, whether I'm inIceland or not.
Aw, they're cute.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Look at that one.
I wonder if they call thembulls or bucks.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
That's crazy, I don't know, but it would be so cool
we were looking at.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Google Images pictures of reindeer.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Do you see one with a red?

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
nose images, pictures of reindeer.
You see one with a red nose.
None of them have red noses,and so I read that if you shoot
one on the first day or two ofthe hunt, that third day they'll
take you fishing, or you can gobird hunting, they'll just take
you to go do something elseyeah, look, there's a caribou.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
So for folks listening, a caribou and a
reindeer are very similar.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Yeah, I don't really see the difference.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
So you can hunt caribou in Alaska.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
But anyway, our plan.
I'm saving my money right now.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Me too, it's going to cost, I think, a couple
thousand bucks.
Me too, it's worth it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Hey, listen NSR listeners.
I need a GoFundMe Me and Katieyeah yeah, add me on to the list
.
So we're going to.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
I'm on a low budget.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
One year from now.
We're going to put in nextFebruary for a reindeer license
for a tag.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
And I'm going to go over in the next August.
If she's there, if Katie'sstill there, then I'll just
travel over.
If she's left and is playingsomewhere else, we'll meet up
over there.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Yeah, I'm going coach , but I've been playing this for
two years.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
I will not be here for this week.
We're going reindeer hunting Innorthern Iceland.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
That would be so cool .

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
Next is I want to take my own gun.
I gotta see how hard that is,if you gotta use theirs.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
I was reading about it.
It has to be minimum 243.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Oh, that's not a problem, and I'm gonna bring
hand loaded bullets.
I'll load us up some good ammo.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Oh my gosh, what if one of us gets it and the other
one doesn't?

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
That'll be fine, it won't matter.
The one outfit said they have100% success rate.
Because I think the way thatcaribou hunting works.
You're hunting a herd whenthey're on their migratory route
.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
So you just get ahead of the herd, wait for them.
That's crazy, oh it'd be socool.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
And if Iceland's an island, how hard can it be to
find they can only go in acircle.
We'll find them.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
They live about eight hours east of the city.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
You can take an hour flight over there, that's so
cool, I've seen them.
My first year there.
We went out there and played agame.
We had a drive.
I remember looking in thecountryside and I was like
that's reindeer.
That's so cool that is cool.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
We're doing it a year and a half from now.
We'll do an episode after that.
Yeah, I need to do an episodeand do an update on how my
hunting season went.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
People like that, or you can say you shot one, I shot
my first gun with Katie theother day.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
You did Yep, they came over for breakfast.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
It was like 7 in the morning.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
I gave my little .22 and said shoot it in the water.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
And that was the best day of work I've had.
I was so that whole day.
I was like whoa, let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Yeah, you guys are pretty amped up.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Oh, we're going to have to ramp that up.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
I was scared to shoot it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
You, you're to shoot it.
You can ask Katie.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
No, I had a .243 in the house too.
I was like I should have gavethat to them too.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
It was me and Annabelle, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Annabelle shot a gun, but I'm not.
My carry gun is laying here onthe table in front of us.
Hello, it's funny.
Yep Took it off my belt and putit on the table.
So here we are recording thispodcast with a firearm laying on
the table.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
We're safe, y'all Yep .

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Alright.
Well, thanks.
I love both of y'all, Thankfulfor both of y'all, and I hope
our folks enjoyed this.
Hope y'all enjoyed this episode.
It was a little bit longer thannormal, but I know I enjoyed it
and I hope you did too.
We'll keep you posted onKatie's journey over the next
year.
It's going to be awesome.
I don't know if we get a chanceto at some point watch games

(01:13:04):
like we did last year.
We'll let our audience know howthey can do that.
That was fun getting to watch acouple games.
It's not easy because they don'tthe way the rules work, I guess
of broadcasting is verydifficult to watch your games,
but we got to see a couple and Ilove that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Hopefully, this year it'll be more than one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Good.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Because last year it was because we were playing such
lower teams.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Oh, okay, they picked the better games to stream, so
we didn't get it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
But hopefully this year it'll be more than just the
final game.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
It'll be fun, all right, see you all next week.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
Thanks, just the final game.
It'll be fun.
All right, see y'all next week.
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