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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to no Sanity
Required from the Ministry of
Snowbird Wilderness Outfitters.
A podcast about the Bible,culture and stories from around
the globe.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hey, hello everyone.
I'm here with the elite team.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I'm just kidding.
Elite membership.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
But we this episode
is going to be kind of like a
behind the scenes look at summer, kind of an overview of our
teachings and just the summer ingeneral.
And then I thought it would becool to ask them maybe to go
into detail about some thingsthat they wish they could have
gone more into depth in theirsessions and their sermons or
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things that you know maybe wereleft out but they wish they
could have really touched on andzoomed in on.
So we just thought this wouldbe a kind of cool series, like
maybe, now that you're home, ifyou came to summer camp or
listen to the sessions, this isjust kind of one step further.
If you came to summer camp orlisten to the sessions, this is
just kind of one step further.
So, yeah, this this summer wasone of my favorites.
Romans eight is what we coveredand I mean you can't miss really
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.
And our teaching was phenomenal.
I thought it was great.
Breakouts were great.
Rob, I had a.
I had a Spencer and Rob moment.
You know how a lot of peoplesay Maddie Welch and I look
alike.
Maddie said that multiple timesover the summer people would
come up to her and be like, hey,great job on your breakout.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
So I feel that's how
it feels.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I feel your pain.
I feel your pain.
The bad thing is, peopleconfuse me and Zach, you realize
that people Wait for real.
Oh, yes, I thought you realize?
You realize that people, oh yesyeah, because they just
associate the stage Zach'sleading worship with.
Zach's teaching too, so I thinkthat really confuses them.
And then I'm teaching.
People are not.
People are not perceptive, alot of people not all people.
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But a lot of people don'tobserve, they don't have
situational awareness, they justdon't have situational
awareness 2020 vision.
They just don't have it, yeahbut speaking of funny things, uh
, the funniest thing thathappened all summer happened the
last night of the last week.
The last night of the last weekthere was a kid.
This kid's family is veryconnected to swo.
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He's a.
This is a snowbird kid.
Now he's never lived here.
Uh, his dad used to work here,but not since this kid's been
born and uh, this kid's way outof the box he's.
He's a really big personality,a very funny, quirky kid.
So on Fridays we practice eachday of the week at at snowbird
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is like a theme day.
So you know, this year I thinkwe had camo day.
Jersey day was Tuesdays, camoday was Thursdays.
What was Wednesday?
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Guys and girls black
and white.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Oh, that's right,
that's right.
Guys and girls, black and white, um, but Friday is always
freedom Friday, so the otherdays will change year to year.
Friday is always Freedom Friday.
So you see a lot of Americanflags, you see a lot of eagles.
This kid bought one of thoseblow-up costumes.
It was an eagle, a bald eagle.
So you know it's got like thecostume's got its own little fan
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Did you see him?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
No, I don't think I
did.
You didn't see this kid?
Are you kidding?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So he's got, you know
, it's got a little fan back
here that just blows and itinflates the costume.
So the head's about this big,you know, and it's, and it's a
big eagle, and right under thebeak is a little clear
cellophane window that he'slooking out of.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
And so did you see,
oh yeah absolutely, and so did
you see him the last night.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yes, so he.
So before the service on Fridaynight I'm talking to his dad,
who's a really good personalfriend of mine, and the kid
walks up and he said they'respraying fart spray in my
costume.
So apparently some of the kidsin his youth group had come up
behind him, which of course theydid.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
That's what any of us
would have done.
That's hilarious, and he's inthis inflated thing.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
You can spray it into
the fan Into the fan that's
keeping the thing inflated, andso they're spraying it.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
That is brutal and
he's like gagging, he's like.
I mean, have you guys eversmelled bird spray?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
It smells horrid.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
It's awful it's just
like dirty, rotten eggs.
Yeah, they're like decaying.
So he's in this costume, okay.
So as I walk off, he's, and theservice is about to start.
You know, uh, friday nightpre-service is like a crazy wild
dance party.
So he, he's right, he takes hiseagle costume and he's in the
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dance party.
He's on stage, jesus freakingit and all that.
So the service ends and onfriday nights so we don't do a
traditional invitation or altar,call it slow.
Um, we typically, after thesermon, we have an extended time
of worship through songs.
So each night we'll sing acouple of songs, but on friday
night it's an extended time.
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We invite students.
Hey, if you'd like to comeforward and just worship
together, it's just anopportunity for them to sort of
respond.
We don't have like counselors,we don't lead them in a prayer,
it's literally just a songservice.
But rather than sit in yourseat, you can come forward.
So the the front of the stagejust fills up.
You know, 10 or 12 people deepit's going up the aisles.
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This kid makes it to the front.
He is directly in front ofthank the lord for the lord's
sense of humor in front ofspencer davis.
So spencer's on the bass.
This kid is boom right there inthe eagle costume and he was
like, he's like raising hislittle wings to worship the lord
, and you know he couldn't dothis, so it's like he's like,
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and he's just singing for threefour songs, that was the out of
the gray or uh tending the gravesong yeah made for more made
for more and everybody's just.
You know like there's that partin the course where people's
hands would be racing andthey're doing this and he's
going and that big old thing,that big eagle head and he's in
the front.
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He's in front of everybody.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Oh my goodness, I was
done I mean I was done.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I was in the back I I
always on friday nights I come
around and stand at the soundbooth because I just love to
watch that worship and that lastfriday night I couldn't worship
but I was very entertained itwas awesome that kid was
worshiping the lord farcepraying on terribly awkward uh,
I have one other funny story andit is I'm gonna kick it off to
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rob.
It's about the rob spencerconfusion okay so rob played the
ultimate finally after 20 yearshe played the ultimate joke
prank on a kid, so on achaperone that kid a chaperone.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Hopefully that person
a chaperone hopefully that
person listens to NSR and isgoing to find this out right now
and can sleep Still stillblinking into a light somewhere,
okay.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
So I mean, everybody
knows, for 20 years of my life
there's been this comparisonconfusion and I never really
bothered me.
To me it's always justopportunity for humor.
This comparison confusion and Inever really bothered me.
To me it's always justopportunity for humor.
There's times where it'sannoying, when the time that it
annoys me, when people don't try, like they try to be funny but
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they're just being lazy, like,like especially staff, like
eight weeks into the summer oneof them will be like hey, spence
, oh sorry, and I'm like no, nostop.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, come up with a
good joke or just let it go.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Um, but so you know,
adults, youth pastors, you know
I, I I get it, uh, and so Inormally I will.
Either if somebody complimentsmy sermon from that morning when
Spencer preached, I'll just saythank you and pass it along to
Spencer, or or, you know,sometimes I'm like no, actually.
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Okay, that was Spencer, he'salso the bass player.
We're different humans.
But this kid, I mean, all weeklong he was doing it like not
once, not twice it was not to befunny, not to be funny.
Just every time we interacted hewas saying I just can't tell
you guys apart.
And so finally, I mean it was Ithink it was Friday, and we're
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a group of us were standingoutside of the in between the
coop in the metal building, andhe comes up and he does it again
and I said, all right, man, I'mgonna let you in on the
snowbird secret.
I said there, there, therearen't two of us, like, there's
just one.
And he was like so are you?
Is it rob or spencer?
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And I said neither.
I said my real name is timmymccracken, and spencer and rob
are made up characters that Iplay.
I said, said just as a joke.
And he went what?
Now?
Spencer had just walked awayfrom this group 30 seconds ago
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and so he's going.
What?
I was like, yeah, man, but Isaid you cannot tell anybody
that my real name is TimmyMcCracken.
If you go to our webpage,there's two pictures of me, one
Rob, one Spencer.
And so he finally walked.
I mean, he had just turnedaround and walked away and
Spencer came back to the groupand I said all right, spencer,
we're wearing he's.
I'm in jeans, he's in shorts,I'm in a black shirt, he's in a
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green shirt.
Whatever I said, you need to gowalk right in front of that kid
, turn around and say hey, forreal, don't tell anybody.
And he was like.
I was like, just go do it,trust me.
And so I hid behind the treeand I watched spencer walk over
to him.
He gets in front of him, heturns around and says hey, man,
for real, don't tell anybody.
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And then he goes inside thebuilding and that kid you could
see his head just explodingbecause, he I mean, we had just
talked 10 seconds ago and he,like, does a slow turn over over
to where we had just beentalking and I'm behind the tree
so.
I just hide and I had everyintention on circling back and
be like hey, man, I was justmessing with you, but I didn't.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
That's what you're
doing now.
That's what I'm doing so.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Timmy McCracken is
not a real person.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
He's not a real
person.
There is a.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Timmy.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
McCracken out there
somewhere.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Timmy McCracken out
there somewhere.
Yeah, yeah, man, here's what Idon't get about the confusion
between y'all, because everybodydoes it.
I mean it's crazy how manypeople do it and we were
watching this weekend, so Ibought this for y'all.
I bought a movie for you andlaylee for the gers okay so for
egg, I bought, uh, we were gonnarent the new how to train your
dragon movie and uh, because I'dheard it's really good, so I
went to rent it for like fivebucks more, you just buy it.
I was like I'll buy it and thenthis sometime this winter the
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girls can watch it.
So we watched it saturday nightand, uh, it's very entertaining
and but they missed some of thecharacters from the cartoon
version that I feel like theymissed it on some.
Well, the cup, the couple whoare twins, the guy and the girl
that are twins, uh, she's likekind of shorter and frumpy and
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he's tall and skinny.
And there's a scene, there's amoment where the the guy goes
gobbler, goes wait, y'all aretwins.
And she's like, yeah, our momcan't even tell us apart.
They're like this, he's talland skinny, she's frumpy, girl
boy, you know, she's like, yeah,our mom can't even tell us
apart.
I'm like that's Spencer and Rob.
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How can you not tell them apart?
I wonder which one I am andsomebody said so we had the tall
skinny guy.
Oh, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
You're stoic.
The chief, the chief, yes,thank you.
Thank you um spencer is uhhiccup he's not here to defend
himself.
That's right.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
That's right but, uh,
you know, so we've had, we've
had, uh, several sets of twinsworking on staff through the
years.
But we had a set of twins thelast couple of years, lauren and
Annabelle Evans, who are notidentical but they're really
close, yes, and you have to getto know them so I can tell them
apart if I'm spending time withthem, if I go two weeks without
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interacting with them, then I'mlike, oh, man, I'm back to
starting over, yeah.
And so when they stayed at ourhouse a lot of times on the
weekends they spend a night atour house and they've been here
for a year because they were aninstitute.
I understand people gettingthem confused right, sure,
they're twins they're twins.
They're not identical butthey're twins.
I understand people getting meand my brother confused to this
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day.
People and that's because we'rein the same but we don't look
that much alike.
But like I get it, yourbrothers, you're in the same
family.
My grandmother would get usconfused.
I know who.
I know which one's which.
I just get whatever.
How people get you and I'm I'mon a rant right now in a
audience get it right.
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It doesn't make sense to me.
I don't understand it.
You're both bald, you both havea trimmed beard and you're
about the same height.
Are you a whole lot taller thanhim, though?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Oh, by centimeters.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, yes.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
He comes up to about
here on me.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Other than height and
hair and beard.
I don't get it.
I don't get it, yeah, but ithappens.
Anyway, that was a funnyhighlight of summer.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Yes, well played,
thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Week 10 was full of
good gags.
Let's pivot.
Yeah, what was the other thing?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yeah, I think that's
all the time we have.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
That was fun, thanks
for tuning in Next week.
Next week.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I think it would be
cool if you guys just have any
maybe insights or thoughts ofthings that you wanted to maybe
go deeper on in one of yoursessions, or just maybe the
topic in the book of Romans 8 ingeneral.
I know, zach, you did multipleyouth pastor breakouts and a
student breakout.
Is there anything that sticksout to you of like man?
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I wish I could have a wholeother session on this or, like I
really wish I could dive in onthis topic.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Yeah, I think that's
great.
I mean, I think especially withthe nature of like teaching a
breakout session, because you'resupposed to, in less than 30
minutes, cover a topiccompletely.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
It's a TED.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Talk.
It is, you know, one thing thatI do think is going to be really
important that we talk aboutsoon, and I had this summer, for
the first time, we did like aThursday afternoon where we did
a conversation with youthpastors on technology, and I
think that did also carry overto the breakout that I taught to
students on loving the Lordwith our minds and what are we
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doing?
How are we thinking well andhonoring the Lord in what we
think and how we think?
And one of the things that Ithink we're going to have to
address soon is talking about AIwith students and student
pastors.
Students and student pastors,you know, because I do think
that we're going into acompletely different, like
uncharted territory, this hugesocial experiment that we're
just playing out as it comesalong, and I think, for
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Christians especially, we'regoing to have to be thinking
through that, especially inlight of, you know, if we've
been called to honor the Lord,you know, to love the Lord with
our heart, soul, minds andstrength.
How are we going to do thatwhen the culture is getting way
easier to be way dumber?
So I think, and especially evenwith pastors, pastors are
having to deal with it and howthey're going to use.
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AI, whether they're going to useit for putting together sermons
and illustrations or all sortsof stuff.
So that's one of the thingsthat came up every week that I
would have in conversations withstudents and student pastors.
I think we'll I'm we're gonnahave to address next year at
least, maybe before that.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, I actually did
use AI for one of my element
talks.
I looked up if you were Satan,if you were the devil, how would
you distract me?
And it actually was really spoton, and so I said that to the
girls.
I said I looked this up on aiand I can't remember exactly.
It was like a list of 10, butit was like I would distract you
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by your phone.
I'll distract you.
It was like spot on.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I was like dang,
that's kind of crazy kind of
scary, yeah, and at the end itwas dash satan yeah, XOXO Satan.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I'm like wait a
second and it would increase
your dependence on AI.
No, are you kidding me?
Literally, it was crazy.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
There was a we're
trying to put together a job
description recently.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Oh, I yeah.
So yeah, we were just writingsome job descriptions and there
hadn't for that same position,there hadn't already been one
made, so I was making it fromscratch, and and so I was
staring at a blank, blank pageand like, okay, I need, I just
need a reference point, and soit's still so novel to me.
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I was like all right, uh, youknow, write a job description
for guest services at SnowbirdOutfitters and or no.
At first I just said uh, guestservices position, and it spit
some stuff out and I was like,okay, this is a good starting
point.
There's a lot to change.
But you, I got adam and Iworking on together, so the ball
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was rolling.
And then I was like uh, and hewas the one typing on his
computer and so I was like Iwonder if I said at a christian
camp, how that would change it.
And so I did christian camp andit was like oh, I thought oh,
it's gonna be super cheesy.
And I was like man, it's prettygood.
And then I was like I wonder ifI say at snowbirdbird?
And so I put in this job atSnowbird Wilderness Outfitters.
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And it was so in themillisecond that the little
circle thought it found thatline and put it in its suggested
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job description.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I mean verbatim that
part's scary, it was like he
just put the period on the jobdescription so scary.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Yeah, that is wild.
Yeah, woo yeah, so it is scary.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
And the scary part is
it is super useful.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
And some of it is
like just a more advanced Google
search.
That's right, and so it's notlike you're going to call it.
It's not all of it bad.
Right, You're looking forinformation, but you'd see the
danger inherent to it,especially when you get into
like sermon prep right Becauseand I mean, while we're talking
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about it, you know, what scaresme is because I've done it where
I asked it.
I've taught a lot on the book ofHebrews.
I do that for our Institute.
We, you know, we preach throughit as a church, um, and so I, I
asked it to write a sermon or alesson.
I think it was when I was forthe Institute.
I was like, write a lesson onthis chapter of Hebrews, and I
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mean it was from, and I, youknow, put from a certain
perspective, whatever and I meanit was so close to the outline
that I already had and it was sogood, and there were things
where.
I was like, oh yeah, itabsolutely said this better
because it's pulling from allthese other resources.
But what scares me, and that isspecific to preaching, is the
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instruction we have in the Biblefor preaching.
It's not just come up with thismaterial, it's set the
believers an example, like notonly should you be articulating
this truth, you should bedemonstrating this truth, and
part of being able todemonstrate the truth is that
you're coming under that truth,being shaped by it, being molded
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by it.
While you're crafting a sermon,you're also being crafted by
the Holy Spirit, like he'sworking that truth into you.
And if you skip that step justto give a maybe a better sermon
than you would have preached onyour own as far as the
transferring of information,you've robbed yourself of
sanctification and you've robbedyour people of the example that
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they're supposed to be able tofollow.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Man, that's so good.
That's so good, yeah, cause allof us, everybody at this table,
has experienced you're going toteach something and the
practice and preparation of thatis so personal right, it really
shapes you.
You're the first hearer of thatfor me and I know, I know you
do this, rob, and I'm not sureif you do this act where I um
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practice preach my sermons likemy, my, because I start with a
manuscript, I pare it down toand I'll do some sentence
diagrams in english.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
I love sentence
diagramming I do it in english
just trying to figure outprepositions, objects,
prepositions, um.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
So I do that work, um
, that's what gets my mind in
the flow and the current of thattext right.
You would miss that if you justplugged in.
But then I go for a walk and Isay the sermon and I time it and
you know that first that, firsttime it might be an hour, you
know.
And then I come back and Icondense that manuscript down to
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from, you know, to seven pages,to five, to three, to when I'm
at camp I want to get it down toone page and then I want to
condense that to a note cardsize bullet point list.
I don't do that church when I'mspeaking to adults, but with
students, because my, mypersonal style of communicating
with students is to remove thepodium and just walk the floor
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and interact with them and I.
That's.
That's unique to me.
That's not a right or wrong wayto do, it's just what works for
me with students.
That requires a lot morepractice and rehearsal for me.
You can't do that with.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
You'd lose that with
but, there are guys and gals
that are going to start usingthis well, even like personal
stories, like looking back onsermons that may have like
really clicked with me or I'vestill looked back on and
remember to this day.
It's because a beautifulpicture of like a personal story
that then is like related into,like it just helps you
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understand the gospel and withai, what is it it can do that
you know yeah.
I think in one of your breakoutsI think it might be the one on
technology, or maybe you justsay it a lot you just say like
Christians should be smarterthan everyone else, and I know
that's like kind of like a firstdrawing to hear like, oh really
, but it honestly like why, whyshouldn't we be?
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But why aren't we, you know,doing research and digging deep
and growing our mind, and youknow that's such a good point
right, especially if we say thatwe believe christianity first
and foremost because it's true.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
If it's true, then
christians are the ones who
believe that.
That's what that was in thestudent breakout.
Christians are the ones whobelieve the truth about the
universe.
So, yeah, we should be the oneswho believe that that's what
that was in the student breakout.
Christians are the ones whobelieve the truth about the
universe.
So, yeah, we should be the oneswho know it the best.
And then one of the things thatwe've I've been talking about
with ai what a way of condensingwhat both y'all just said is, I
think ai can be really helpfulif the main goal of what you're
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trying to do is to get a product, but if you're concerned about
the process, then it actuallyhinders, you know.
But I mean that's where,because we do want that process
For people who are preaching andteaching God's word, we want it
to be working on us andbecoming a part of us, Like I
love what you said, getting ourbrains in the flow.
Like, yeah, what is Godcommunicating through this
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author?
How is he?
Why does it make sense?
Okay, you can understand thatand then, from that, you can
preach that passage becauseyou've become, it's become a
part of you, Whereas but I mean,people have been doing this
forever.
This is just another way ofpeople taking shortcuts.
You know how many times youlike, even the past 10 years,
there's been so many pastorsthat have oh, so many.
yeah, they've been like, oh,plagiarism, plagiarism, and it's
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like and so that's, it's justit's, that's the, that's the
easy shortcut temptation toanything yeah, yeah that current
uh analogy for me, I alwaysthink of uh.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Y'all remember when
we used to go swim the nana hala
falls, their staff training.
It's so fun and what was sogood about it is you had staff
members that were scared oflearning how to run the falls in
their boat.
They're already freaked outabout becoming a river guide and
it's an overwhelming task.
That river's not that hard, butmoving that boat with a bunch
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of people in it that may not becooperating.
So we wanted to teach them twothings.
We wanted to teach them ifyou're in this water, you're
going to feel some panic, butthen for you as a guide, you
should be comfortable in thiswater because you're the person
that might have to pull somebodyout.
So we would go down to theNantahala Falls and we would
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enter the river right above thefalls.
We'd go in and we would swim itand you're basically just
power're just power stroking.
But I mean it takes you, boom,and it buries you and you pop up
, and then it buries you and youpop up and you're just.
But we tell them the whole timejust swim, just swim.
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And to me preaching's like thatYou're in this current.
That's ancient and time it'sbeen flowing since the
foundation of the earth, sincebefore it, and I'm diving in and
I'm swimming in this current,but I'm also pulling people, you
know, to safety, or to thesecurity of what um, the the
scripture is is is giving themyou and you don't get that with
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ai.
No, there's no way yeah, yeahin relationship to romans 8 is.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
you know, one of the
most enjoyable things leading up
to our summer sermons wasrevisiting the flow that is
throughout the book, the currentor the argument that God has
inspired Paul to lace into thatletter, and so revisiting that
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together in conversations whatwe did during staff training.
then you're back in that flow,and so the context just is
building and building andbuilding, so that when you get
to just that peak of Romans 8.1,if all the other context is in
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place, you're set up not tomishandle it and not to go off
in a weird tangent.
It keeps you hemmed in to thetruth of that passage, which is
so enjoyable.
If the question of what do Iwish I could have gone deeper on
would have just be oh, I mean,we got so much of the Book of
Romans.
Your introductory sermon was agreat, bringing everyone up to
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speed enough to appreciate thatfirst one.
But yeah, I would wish.
Oh, if we could do the wholeBook of Romans in the summer.
There's so much depth and allthose passages you could have
broken them down smaller.
Give them more time.
Our goal is always okay.
What's the main point of thissection that I have, and that's
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what I want to highlight, butthere's always so much more.
I had the uh privilegeinitially.
Uh, it was slated um for Brodyto preach 28 through 30.
Uh, and he was, he wanted to doback to back on Friday.
So that left that passage andhe was like well, you, you were
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Spencer and I was like I got it.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I'll just go ahead.
I'll just go ahead, is that?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
okay, and it's such a
deep passage and so, okay,
what's the unifying point andprinciple here?
And I was emphasizing okay,this is God's eternal love and
that's what ultimately gives usour security.
Is seeing my security from thatperspective of God from outside
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of time, saying, oh, I'vealways loved you, you know.
But there is so much more thatyou could go into and supporting
passages and on for knowledgeand predestination and being
conformed to the image of Christ.
But right.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I struggled a little
bit with those two Fridayiday
sermons.
I came into the summer thinkingI'm gonna, I'm gonna write
these, I'm gonna read a bigchunk.
It's gonna be epic, because the, because the text is epic and I
felt like, oh, if I had to doover again, I would approach
friday a little different.
Um, the content that we havethat you posted.
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The two Friday sessions thatcame about mid summer.
I had really continued to tweakand change and and finally got
it where I felt like I was ableto convey what I needed to
convey.
That's one of the things that'shard when when you so like when
we teach narratives.
Swo 24 was a life of Christ, soit's all narratives.
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Swo24 was Life of Christ, soit's all narratives.
Swo26 is going to be narrative.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
A little teaser right
there.
A little teaser.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Yeah, that's coming
out.
You guys will know, here in thenext week or so.
We've got the SWO26 teachingfocus nailed down and we're
starting to build some brandingand content for promoting it.
But there's going to be a goodbit of narrative.
Narrative is easier to justbuild a sermon and stick with it
.
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When you're getting intodoctrinally deep water and
you're trying to convey it tothe average 13-year old, it can
be very difficult, and so I.
For me, the only regret fromthe summer is I feel like I
didn't put enough time intogetting it where the average 13
year old could understand acouple of those sessions early
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on.
Now, uh, some of those sessionsI, I, I stuck with all summer
and never changed anything.
But then, yeah, what Rob said,I really enjoyed Monday night.
It forced me.
How do you come up with achapter-by-chapter summary of
the book of Romans for sevenchapters and then land on
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chapter 8, verse 1, and do thatall in a 25-minute sermon?
That took for me a ton of workpersonally, but in the finished
product I was really, each weekI was in personally encouraged
back to.
I was in the current.
Each week it was renewing mysort of soul and mind to to
teach that.
I love doing that.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Uh, I will say that.
Uh, well, for sure.
Uh, I will say that.
Uh, well, first off, um, zach'sbreakouts to the, to leaders.
Every year we get a lot offeedback from that, but every
single day I was getting a tonof interaction, people saying,
you know, saying thank you fory'all doing this, and then, um,
we want more of this.
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You know, like, like, you justhave so much time in the day,
yeah, you just can't.
It'd be awesome if we could dotwo leaders breakouts a day.
You know, if we could do twostudent breakouts, or if we
could have a series ofnon-required breakouts for
students or whatever.
But so I think the other sortof not regret, but what I wish
is that we had more opportunityto teach and more chance to give
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them content.
But, jb, your session wasphenomenal.
The Lord has clearly gifted youand we've prayed, you know I've
prayed about God just bringingus women that could communicate
and and, uh, you know, brookeDavis, brooke loving good Good
now is Brooke Davis, who was thefirst young staff member that
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we had.
Do the girl talk Right, and shewas just phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Which is crazy,
because she was my counselor.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, that's pretty
wild.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, full circle
moment.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Yeah, and I had.
You know, when I went to herand said I feel like the Lord's
giving you a gift, and we workedthrough that, and she just it
was so incredible.
And then, and then kilby did it, yeah, um, and then I've, we've
, and then we've had a few othergirls, uh, macy and anna rose
has done it.
Emma burnett yeah well, annarose yeah, but as far as staff
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girls uh emma and macy did agreat job, but then we've had
older gals older being adultsnon non summer staff.
Little has done it a lot.
Anna rose does a phenomenal job.
We had moose do it one year.
But finding a person within theteam, that's like this person
is connected to the students ona day to day basis.
It's been a like a strategicprayer.
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So, first off, I'm justgrateful that you said yes, um,
yeah, because I know it was a.
You had to pray about it.
And then, second, it wasliterally okay.
We found our girl, like, likeit was.
It was incredible.
So, but I'm curious what yourfeedback was.
I'm assuming overwhelminglypositive.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yes it was always
super encouraging.
I would try my best to kind oflike go out and linger, not to
like get compliments, but youknow, just to talk available yes
, yeah, that's huge yeah, um,but it definitely took a toll on
me, like I would be exhaustedafter and I would have to fight
being like I just want to get mycar.
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I'm drenched in sweat, I'm likeI just want to shower and you
know.
So I would really have to likepush to be like no, like see the
bigger picture go out, comehang out, and that was always
super encouraging and rewardingjust girls.
Being like man, I loved whatyou said, like I agreed
completely with everything thatyou said.
Um, it also was that's somethingthat I've prayed through and
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like thank the Lord, a lot is myI hope this doesn't come across
as arrogant, but like my way toconnect with girls and like
like, even when I was in collegeand working with my college
ministry and like youth ministryat college, I would constantly
just be thanking the Lord, likeit did just come very naturally
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to me.
And something that I just enjoyis, like you know, talking with
high schoolers and middleschool girls and like just you
know, being honest and beinglike, hey, this is a struggle
that is very common, and likelet's address it, and so that is
something that I've been verylike thankful that the Lord has
given me and I'm very thankfulthat you guys, I guess, maybe
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saw that in me and like, becauseI never, ever, ever would have
saw myself doing the girlsbreakout.
Like still to this day I'm likewhat just happened?
Like what in the world, and soeven that is such a cool, just
full circle moment.
Like I said, brooke was mycounselor when she did the girls
talk and I remember like beinglike she's so cool, like that
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was so awesome.
And then, you know, like I wasa camper, came for years to
Snowbird and never in a millionyears would I have thought that
I would be on stage, you knowspeaking and stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
So I've dreamed of
I've never even really shared
this, um, but I I want to get Imean, we've talked about it
internally but I want to get toa point where all of wednesday
is separated.
Right now we start with a jointworship service with guys and
girls, and then we separate themfor that morning breakout, then
we separate them for theevening.
Um, I want to get to a pointwhere the whole day they're
completely separated to worshipservices in the morning, to
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breakouts, to worship servicesin the evening.
So I feel like we took a stepcloser to that this year for
sure.
Um and uh and I we appreciatedthat you handled the scripture
faithfully.
You know, cause, that'sobviously that's a big deal here
, and um, and it, it, it earnsand gains the confidence of
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leaders and parents.
Um, yeah, so that was for me asa, as someone who wants to
develop leaders, especially asI'm getting older and really
wanting to build that nextgeneration of leadership Um,
that's maybe the most gratifyingthing for me.
This is a big statement.
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The most gratifying ministrypiece to the summer was your.
Wednesday morning because it'slike man, this is, this is what
we've, this is what we strivefor, Because, I mean, I remember
you as a middle school camper.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Oh, please Like.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I got video of you
dancing on stage or Little does
Little has.
Have y'all seen the video of JBin the coop, pre-service?
People are just minglingSeventh grade JB, oh gosh.
And what are those boots?
Called Combat boots, okay, solike pants tucked in them?
It's a winter swole.
It's when Jodi Livingston washer student pastor.
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Everybody's just talking thecoop, it's.
It's.
Everybody's just doing theirthing waiting for the service to
start at winter swole.
And we're playing music and JBlittle JB jumps on stage and
does a full on dance routinelike Moses Holloway.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Honestly yes, Like
Moses it is it is.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
That's crazy, it's so
crazy, it's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
My mom actually was a
chaperone that trip and little
was standing off to the side andwas like what is this girl Like
, oh my gosh, laughing?
And she looks at my mom andgoes she's going to work here
one day.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
That is so good, so
that should probably be made
available in the notes into thispodcast right.
Should be.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
We'll post that.
I would think so.
We'll set that up Little's gotit on her phone, oh my
Speaker 1 (37:07):
gosh.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
It is very
entertaining.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Oh yeah, crazy.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
You know, we talked.
You talked in an episode it.
You talked in an episode, uh,it was the eric rudolph episode.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Rudolph uh, chainsaw
man, and it was one other thing,
rudolph the, something in thechainsaw yeah, anyway, that was
a good episode I've got have yougot a lot of feedback.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
I've gotten so much
feedback from that episode.
It's probably five months agonow, three, four anyway but um,
at the end of that episode.
The point of that episode wasthis guy who said he was on
mission from god and he'sblowing stuff up and killing
innocent people.
He got off track and so sincerepursuit of life in christ, like
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you're gonna be genuine, you'regonna Like you're going to be
genuine, you're going to betransparent, you're going to and
in that part of what peoplehave talked a lot about, was you
talking about your sister or afamily member?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
yeah, here's your
sister.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yes, okay, if I can
say that.
Yeah, edit that out.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
If you know I, it's
fine yeah, but it and again we
can edit this.
Yeah, no we.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
I was actually
thinking we should talk about.
She came this summer to hear youyes, so I've worked at snowbird
for like four ish years on andoff, and I always my sister for
a while lived in a homosexualrelationship and has completely
walked away at one time from myfamily and has just completely
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abandoned her faith.
We are grown up in the samehousehold.
Like all my other siblings arewalking with the Lord.
My parents are super, superfaithful, great parents, great
household, and when she went tocollege she just completely
abandoned all of that and sincethen at times has been very
hostile towards our beliefs, ourfaiths.
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Maybe like more conservative I'm, not even going to say
conservative, just like beliefsfrom scripture, like what
scripture talks about, not evengoing to say conservative, just
like beliefs from scripture,like what scripture talks about.
And so for all four years thatI've worked here, I've always
been like man, you guys shouldcome up and get a cabin and come
to a few services or like, hey,the women's conference, like
I'll get you guys tickets and wecan all come up and hang out
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with mom and stuff.
And she's come up like I think,twice and the whole time like
very, like sitting like thisbouncing her legs, like just
very shut down, and almost justcame because, like my, the rest
of my family came, which isstill such a blessing.
But this summer I did theWednesday girls breakout what we
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just talked about and I knew mymom was planning to come up and
visit and she was going tobring my aunt, who my aunt and
her husband used to bringstudents here.
So I was really excited forthem to come up and see like the
growth of camp and everything.
And then my sister walks in andyou can't miss her.
She has like bright pink hairand so I see her and I'm
literally like what?
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Like I did not know she wascoming and obviously I was like
wishing she would come, wishingmy family could come, and I mean
I was like so blown away.
Also, anna Grace is her name.
Anna Grace has come to camp.
She came probably like 2012 tolike 2013.
So, like it was so, soencouraging that she got to come
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to camp and see, like man,they're still solid, you know,
they're still preaching the samethings and like it's still the
same solid pastors and teachershere and like yeah, so much has
changed and grown and things aredifferent, but like the, the
solid this and like everythinglike that really truly matters
is still the same.
Like the core is still the same.
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And um, yeah, she got to seelike all my element girls, which
was so fun, and they justgreeted her with like love and,
you know, didn't like they wereobsessed with her.
They're like that's your sister, she's so pretty, oh my gosh,
like her hair and so.
And then, like even we walkedaround camp, I took her through
the snack shack and the metalbuilding and everything like
that, and there's like a fewtimes throughout the week that
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people will recognize me or comeup and say, hey, thank you so
much for your talk, whatever,and it's always super
encouraging.
But this day, like I mean, itwas like every second, like
people were coming up and beinglike are you, jb, from the
podcast?
Like I recognize your voice,like a man literally was like I
recognize your voice from thepodcast, like so many people
were coming up and that was, Ithink, just honestly I think you
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say sometimes like an attaboyfrom the, from the Lord, and I
think it was just so cool forher to see like man, my sister
is like working full time in aministry and like is like having
an impact on people and likeyou know, like it's not just oh,
oh, she's a summer campcounselor, like bye, um, but I
think it was just so cool andlike, even after she was like I
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didn't know you were a celebrity, I was like no, I'm not, but it
was just so cool for her to Ithink see that and see just like
Snowbird is preaching thegospel and it's having an impact
and it's like it's real, it'strue, it's good.
And even like I appreciate you.
Brody saw her and was like hey,like can I give you a hug?
Like how are you?
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And even stuff like that,because it's like I know she
knows the truth and I know likeeven just like she's been here
and she sees all this stuff andI don't know.
It was really cool.
It was like that.
That was, I think, week five,so right in the middle of summer
, so that was a really good likealmost right in the middle of
summer, so that was a reallygood like almost kick in the
pants of encouragement.
I'm just like man, like it justgave me so much hope.
That's something I strugglewith sometimes of like man,
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she's too far gone or like she'sso stuck in her ways or she's
so stubborn.
But that was just superencouraging that she came by her
choice, like she wanted to come.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
So, yeah, super,
super lord, thank you jesus and,
uh, I think she even got ashirt yes, she got the camo
snowbird shirt and wears it, andwears it.
Yep, so yeah, yeah, awesomeyeah, we need to continue to be
praying for her.
Yes, she's such a, she's suchan, she's got such an awesome
personality.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
I always think, uh, I
I can't help but think in a
when I meet a person like herman, if she got on fire for god
and just fell in love with jesusand, yeah, started to really
try to impact people that's whatme and my family say all the
time, because she's also such agreat writer, great communicator
.
She's a high school teacherright now and she's like even to
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her high school students it'sin a more like lower income area
.
She's great like she providessome like hygienic stuff in the
classroom, snacks like she'sgreat and connects to the kids
so well and I think that all thetime like just praying that she
will, you know, fall back inlove with jesus and it would be
awesome fall back in love withJesus and it would be awesome.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, man
, that was a big day.
I can I remember several timesthat day seeing y'all around
camp and, just like man Lord, Idon't know what she's thinking
right now, but please justsoften her heart and provide
opportunities for conversation.
Well, I think that's a goodplace to kind of wrap it up.
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I appreciate what's been saidabout Romans 8.
You know, when we went throughit at Red Oak the first time
before it was Red Oak, it wasSnowbird.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
House.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Church.
We spent a year, 52 weeks inRomans 8.
And that was with adults andwith students.
We had to try to tackle it ineight or nine sessions.
So I feel like we did a goodjob.
We did a faithful job.
I think the feedback I got wasvery solid, very positive.
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We did a faithful job.
I think the feedback I got wasvery solid, very positive.
And it's crazy how oftensomebody will say I think this
summer is my favorite teaching,but the same people will say the
same thing the next summer.
Yeah every year, which is areally cool picture of the
progression and sanctificationin a person's life and in a
ministry and that it seems likethe Lord always just gives folks
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what they need.
So many stories of, uh Ithought maybe cool to close with
just sharing a few stories thatstand out that were very
powerful.
And uh, one for me was I knowthat Andrew Roberts is a student
pastor at Bel Air Baptist anduh, down in Gulfport or Gulf
Shore somewhere on the GulfCoast in the South Mississippi
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when is it Gulfport?
Speaker 4 (45:38):
Gulf of America.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Gulf of America and
there's a man in his church
named David Brooks who went tobe with the Lord back in April.
David was at Be Strong in Marchand David was kind of a larger
than life personality.
He was a physically large guy,he had a big personality and he
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was.
He had come as a chaperone withour church for years and would
then also attend Be Strongconferences and a lot of us got
to know him and he had a veryaggressive cancer and when he
was here at Be Strong in Marchyou'd have never known he was in
the final stages of a terminalillness Went home and died
pretty quick after that.
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His wife Lori, and their twodaughters who I'm not going to
name, they were here, name um,they were here and, uh, and it
was just a very emotional thingfor me to interact with that
family and, pretty cool, we toldthem hey, for life you come to
anything you want to at SWO.
So they're coming to winter SWOtoo.
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The mom and the two daughtersare coming to respond.
Um, but it was a, it was.
It was a pretty powerful thingfor me as a dad, but also
recognizing what this week didfor those girls.
This was a place that their dadloved and that they had shared
experiences with him.
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It was a, it was a a really.
I I had a hard time the weekthey were here, just personally,
just the emotion of it.
But, man, brave little girlsand they're not little girls,
they're teenagers.
But that was a really impactfulexperience for me this summer
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and so I'm grateful for that andso I'm grateful for that and
just you guys can pray for theBrooks family as they continue
to navigate a crazy few yearsahead of them just coming into
adulthood.
Anyway, that stands out to me,but I don't know if any of y'all
had stories specific maybeconversion stories.
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So many kids came to faith.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
Anything that stands
out.
That's what my favorite thingfrom the summer is hearing yeah,
that students are coming tochrist and so and I got uh eric,
really good friend.
Um, he's no longer the studentpastor, he's like an associate
pastor, but he texted me theweek that we were on vacation
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and said they had baptized uh 10students, you know, and I think
he said seven of them had, youknow, made a profession of faith
from their week at camp youknow, not just so it's, it's
humbling, you know, to play anypart in that, you know, and I
think, um, yeah, and there areso many stories, so many text
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messages were sent every week ofcamp and um, so, yeah, that to
me that's always the best.
I love every aspect of what wedo and why we do it, but to know
that God has, in his grace,chosen to use us to see students
cross over from death to life,that doesn't get better.
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It doesn't get better than that.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
Yeah, and we don't do
like I said I mentioned earlier
.
We don't do a formal invitationor altar call.
The reason for that is there'sopportunity for students to
respond in a more measurable waywhere we can really make the
handoff to the student pastorand follow up with discipleship,
and so, rather than do a largealtar call, we really push those
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decisions into share groups andone-on-one conversations.
But then we ask our staff hey,when this happens, let us know,
and our staff fills out somesummaries for youth pastors to
know what a student hasexpressed or professed.
But those texts we would besitting around and just there
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were a lot of nights where textswould just ping, ping, ping,
ping.
They'd start coming in.
Kids were making professions offaith and share groups and
one-on-one conversations, andLord only knows how many you
know.
Yeah, pretty awesome though.
Speaker 5 (50:01):
Sure, another thing
for me that was so encouraging
was, you know, I would, everySaturday morning I'd come in and
just help people check out, andjust the conversations that I
would have with student pastors.
It was just so enjoyable andreal humbling, you know, talking
about the way that coming tocamp has affected their church
and their personal relationshipwith the Lord and their ability
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to like love on their studentsand teach the Bible, and just it
was such a good like wake-upcall Like man.
We're not just getting toinvest in students, which is
awesome, but we're getting likewake up call me like man.
We're not just it's, we're notjust getting to invest in
students, which is awesome, butwe're getting like I mean, I had
student pastors bawling talkingabout what an influence
Snowbird has had on them andtheir personal relationship with
the Lord and their ministry andtheir marriages, and it was
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just really it is super cool,really humbling.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
We learned this
summer when MacArthur went to be
with the Lord.
We learned and we're not aministry, that's, none of us
have ever been to master'scollege or seminary, university
or seminary, so we're notaffiliated with them.
But I think most of us justappreciate his faithfulness.
When someone finishes well andgets carried off on their shield
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, it's kind of like thank theLord, a saint has gone to be
with the Lord.
He finished his race and he didit well, he gripped the sword in
one hand and gripped the plowright to the end.
You know, and I was thinkingabout um while you're saying
that, zach, I was thinking aboutum, that conference that I
mentioned earlier, where I gotto hear sproll and macarthur,
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who've both been to be with thelord.
I don't remember, I don'tremember learning anything at
that conference.
I couldn't tell you something Ilearned, or specificity of a
sermon.
Uh, the only the only thingthat I remember, uh, cj mahaney.
I remember a point he made.
He spoke at that, that and itdidn't have to do with penal
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substitutionary atonement, itwas in his introduction.
It had to do with Paul.
You hear Paul's love and carefor the people in the way he
opens and closes letters and how, as pastors and leaders, we
should genuinely care for people.
That really impacted me.
But I remember it was not longafter that that I felt this was
2008.
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I felt strongly and we startedto have these discussions.
Snowbird needs to be a placewhere students and student
pastors and leaders come and areit's, it's they experience that
type of like a conference.
It's not first a campexperience, but it's a bible
conference where they're edifiedand exhorted from the
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scriptures and um, and I feellike you know that's become a,
that that's been for 20 years,almost a mark of this ministry
and for people to be able, theway we appreciated macarthur's
faithfulness or piper'sfaithfulness.
I disagree with certain things,with both those guys, sure,
which is crazy, because I knowthey're way smarter than me,
(52:59):
they're definitely more educated, they're way smarter, agreed,
but I'm like, but I disagreewith that.
I disagree with it.
Speaker 5 (53:07):
Sure, not key
doctrinal stuff, nothing to
fight over, yeah, but I'm not apacifist, that's right.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
And some nothing, not
not key doctrinal stuff,
nothing to fight over.
Yeah, yeah, like you know, butI'm not a pacifist, that's right
when piper said, yeah, youshouldn't have a gun, I wouldn't
have a gun.
I wouldn't have a gun in myhouse if somebody broke in and
was gonna attack my wife anddaughter.
I wouldn't like what in theworld like?
We are not the same, no, youknow.
But then I think what that manhas done to edify and encourage
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me.
Oh yeah, I'm so thankful that'sright macarthur, I don't know.
You know, there's some thingswith his eschatology or with
dispensationalism and covenanttheology, I don't know.
There's things that I'm notsure I would agree with him on,
I don't even know for sure.
But man, he was faithful to theend.
Yep, he finished his race.
And I think the way that weappreciate guys like that we've
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been around long enough nowpeople are starting to
appreciate.
I don't know how many timesI've heard people say y'all been
faithful, thank you for aquarter century of faithfulness.
And which is another highlightthis summer is we now have a
group of former staff membersfrom all over the country who
put their kids together andcreate their own group and send
them to camp.
And then they'll say, likeDaniel and Heather Ritchie, both
(54:21):
posted on social media our kidsare sitting under the teaching
of this ministry, Romans 8,which is what we sat under in
2005.
It impacted us and now it'simpacting a second generation.
That's pretty gratifying.
Speaker 5 (54:37):
Yeah, for sure,
that's awesome yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
So as long as we're
here, we're here, and when we're
gone, somebody else will be inour places doing this.
Speaker 4 (54:45):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
This ministry is
going to do what this ministry
is currently doing until Jesuscomes back.
So we're not going to change,that's for sure.
Awesome Good summer, all right,so we'll uh, jb, let's discuss
SWO 26 in the next week'sepisode in the next episode.
Okay, sounds good.
Roll it out.
By then We'll have some socialmedia stuff ready.
(55:08):
Yes, I'm excited about it.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
Oh wait, one thing
that we need to mention.
I think you guys know there's apart two coming out to the NSR
book called NSR Stories, wherewe hear from a lot of your
stories, kind of what we werejust talking about.
So there's going to be a linkin this episode in the notes
where you can submit if you feelinclined.
I meant to tell you that, sorry.
Speaker 5 (55:28):
Good to know.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
Thank you Sorry, it's
awesome.
Yeah, good to know.
Thank you, sorry.
It's awesome.
Yeah, no sanity's book is goingto be all no sanity stories.
Um, we recently had uh hannahwelch on here yes, maddie's mom
and that's going to be one ofthe stories.
Uh, we've got uh, a portion ofgarb osman's story.
Uh, it's linked um in the bookthere's a qr code or uh, I don't
(55:50):
even know what I'm saying rightnow code.
Speaker 5 (55:52):
Code Link code.
Speaker 3 (55:52):
Did I get that right?
Austin, yeah, where people cango read a portion of Gar's story
.
So, yeah, no Sanity StoriesExcited about that.
Yeah, that's a great idea.
Yeah, sorry.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
Meant to tell you
that earlier.
Yeah, how this ministry hasimpacted you.
Yes, that'd be good, yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
I'm excited about
that book Already got a bunch of
content laid out and writtenand we just got to start
refining it.
And if you don't have a copy ofthe no Sanity Required book,
get your copy.
It's crazy how many of thosethings have flown off the shelf
and the feedback we've gotten.
It's been awesome.
So thanks to folks that havelistened and then I'm going to,
or have read that, and then I'mgoing to.
In the next next couple weeksI'm going to sit down and read
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listener emails, listenercomments.
Tons of comments in the nsrcomment um section.
So just, we love, we read thoseand we don't always read them
back on here, but we read thoseand they're very encouraging to
us.
We're going to read a bunch ofthose um.
We're going to devote an entireepisode to that, so that'll be
coming soon.
(56:56):
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We appreciate it.
All right, thank y'all.
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