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What if the anxiety you feel is the exact compass you need? That’s the spark behind this conversation with Tina Coleman—a woman who turned a career-ending car accident, profound grief, and a tangle of old coping habits into a bold new chapter of sobriety, solo travel, and life abroad after 50. We get honest about what midlife actually looks like when you stop apologizing and start experimenting.
We dive into the messy middle: how alcohol can sneak in as self-medication, why letting go of anger can be a physical release, and the simple tools that keep you moving when your nervous system is screaming no. Tina shares her go-tos—EFT tapping, box breathing, journaling, walking in nature—and how these practices made airport lines and big moves possible. We also bust menopause myths, from gray hair and desirability to lesser-known symptoms like frozen shoulder and dental shifts. Think of it as adult puberty with smarter choices: better sleep, protein-forward meals, strength training for bone density, and more intentional recovery. These tweaks don’t shrink your life; they expand it.
Travel becomes a powerful teacher here. Tina admits she hates the act of traveling but loves the world on the other side of security. That tension is the point. Each small brave act retrains the brain, restores self-trust, and makes room for joy. We talk about embracing language mistakes, laughing with strangers, and using tech like Google Translate to connect. Tina’s bigger vision—beautiful, affordable co-living spaces for women traveling solo—shows how community can turn courage into a lifestyle.
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Tina (00:00):
I hung on to the pain and the anger for a long time and I
still have issues with that.
In 20 beginning of 2020, I waslike, I have to let go of this.
I have to quit being angry.
I have to let my body feelbecause I was just angry and in
pain all the time.
Mary (00:20):
Welcome to No Shrinking Violets.
I'm your host, Mary Rothwell,licensed therapist and certified
integrative mental healthpractitioner.
I've created a space where wecelebrate the intuition and
power of women who want to breakfree from limiting narratives.
We'll explore all realms ofwellness, what it means to take
up space unapologetically, andhow your essential nature is key
(00:43):
to living life on your terms.
It's time to own your space,trust your nature, and flourish.
Let's dive in.
Hey Violet, welcome to theshow.
When I was young, in my 20s and30s, I traveled solo relatively
often.
Although I didn't travelinternationally by myself, I
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would often take road trips andonce even drove across the
United States.
Ironically, I'm much lesslikely to do so now.
Not only have things changedsince those times, but I
unfortunately find myselfbecoming less audacious in
travel adventures.
I can't say that I love thatabout myself.
So I will be heading out of thecountry in a few months by
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myself, mostly because it was atrip I really wanted to take,
but also because I wanted tohave the challenge of relying
only on myself.
For me, one of the challengesof midlife is reimagining all
the things you thought your lifewould be and embracing the
beauty of what it is.
I've had so many women sit inmy office and mourn all the
things that were part of theiryouth, dewy skin, often a
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smaller clothing size, or simplyhaving a different kind of hope
for the future.
Or the things they are nolonger doing, including travel.
But there are so many greatthings about life after 50.
As with so many things, mindsetis key.
My guest today is owning hermidlife and seems to have become
more adventurous in later life.
(02:11):
After more than two decades asa licensed massage therapist,
Tina Coleman's career wasabruptly cut short by a car
accident.
Instead of letting life'shardships define her, she chose
to reinvent herself from theground up.
That reinvention began withsolo travel, an experience that
opened her eyes to possibility,freedom, and courage.
(02:32):
Solo travel became the catalystthat ultimately led her to move
abroad, where she continues toembrace transformation and
intentional living.
Tina is the bold voice behindan upcoming book about life
after 50.
It's a powerful guide thatredefines what it means to be a
woman at midlife.
Her mission is to empower womento embrace reinvention,
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freedom, and unapologeticconfidence while stepping into
the most vibrant, authenticchapter of their lives.
Welcome to No ShrinkingViolets, Tina.
Tina (03:01):
Thank you so much.
It's such an honor to be onyour show.
I've been looking forward tothose.
Mary (03:06):
And she is talking to us from Mexico right now.
So she explained to me thatsometimes there are celebrations
kind of through the day withfireworks.
So if you hear something in thebackground that the mics pick
up, then you're getting somefireworks in your day.
So which is appropriate forLaffee After 50, right?
Absolutely.
We need more fireworks in ourlife and more fun.
(03:27):
Okay, so I love to start offwith my guests by having them
talk about the pivotal momentsin their life where there was a
mindset shift or kind of itopened your eyes and led to
where you are now.
Tina (03:41):
Oh boy.
I've had a lot of them, I'vebeen through a lot of different
things in my life, to be honest.
And it's been reallyinteresting.
Um, I'm originally from DesMoines, Iowa.
So, and I had a verydysfunctional childhood.
So I really relied on going tochurch and doing really well in
school.
And those really helped to laythe foundation of who I am, um,
(04:02):
because having that faith insomething greater than yourself,
I think is so important.
Um, and there have been timesin my life where I've really
hung on to that, and sometimeswhere I have been disconnected
from it.
And I can say at the timeswhere I really embraced that, my
life is much better.
So that's like a big thing thatlaid the foundation for me.
And then in my uh early 20s oractually teens and early 20s, I
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was in a very long-termdysfunctional relationship, and
that was just awful.
All different kinds of thingsinvolved in that.
Um, and then I became aspiritual teacher.
So uh with that, with an up forprofit group, so I taught
meditation, concentration,visualization, uh healing at a
distance, and I studied a lot ofthe esoteric things.
I was with them for sevenyears, and that's actually when
(04:47):
I left tomorrow in Iowa becauseI always wanted to travel.
I always knew I wanted to move.
Like even as a kid, I would belike, Why can't we move?
Like, why do we have to be inthe same house?
Why do we have to go to thesame school?
Like, I've always had that inme.
And so it's really interestingwhen I uh was with this
not-for-profit and startedteaching and directing Saw the
centers, I started movingaround.
(05:08):
Um, and a month after I moved,I was in my first car accident.
I was hit by a semi.
So that is actually what got meinto massage therapy.
And I had grown up in ahousehold where it was like,
scrub my shoulders, walk on myback, and never thought anything
of it.
Like I was gonna be anaccountant and make money.
And so when I had a caraccident, I'm like, I can heal
(05:30):
myself.
I know I can heal myself.
Well, it turns out I neededhelp, and so I got into uh
chiropractic acupuncture,massage therapy as far as my
treatment, and that was reallylife-changing for me.
Um, you know, and it was I'mvery lucky to still be here and
to have walked away from that.
But that would that would havea huge impact that actually
(05:50):
encouraged me to the abuserelationship I was in and you
know be that skirmish withteacher.
And through that, I really wasable to uh, you know, heal
myself and step into a new lifepath, really.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah.
Tina (06:04):
Um, but yeah, and it's like I've lived all over the US
and traveled quite a bit with uhthat group and directed
different organizations.
So it's been a lot.
So and I've had a lot ofdifferent things that I've had
to deal with.
Um, one of the things thatreally hit me hard and led to me
traveling abroad was when Ilost my mother and stepdad very
(06:26):
close to each other verysuddenly.
And I went into a very dark,deep spiral and I was drinking
very heavily.
Um yeah, and I have alcoholismon both sides of my family.
So that was kind of like thekicker for me where I just was
not okay.
I was a very different personback then than I am now, and I
just did not care.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah.
Tina (06:47):
You know, and it was just like it was so incredibly hard.
Um, and then in 2018, Iactually a friend took me to uh
like the Secrets with Millie intheir mindset.
It was, you know, one of thoseinspirational rah, rah, rah
seminars.
Well, I drank the Kool-Aid,bought the whole package, and
that really started changing mylife.
(07:08):
That's really when um I knew Ineeded to make changes and I
wasn't happy, and I was able toactually get sober um through a
12-step program because of thatincentive, because I was like,
okay, it's time for me tochange.
It's time, it's time to dosomething different because I
did not like where my life wasgoing.
Mary (07:28):
Well, and I hear so many women that that sort of seems to
be the trajectory of theirstory that they make a lot of
decisions, and I'll justrandomly say pre-40-year-old,
you know, leading up to 40.
And somehow it culminates withsomething happening, with
there's an event where it startsto increase your awareness of
(07:50):
like, wow, I've developed a lotof patterns or a lot of coping
strategies that are not healthy.
So you probably knew this alongthe way, right?
That there was some part of youthat's like, wow, I'm drinking
a lot and I'm not really fullyin my life.
Tina (08:08):
Yes, and I'd had I'd actually had that experience at
different points in my life,like when I was in the abuse
relationship, I started drinkingreally heavily and I had this
aha moment.
Like I was like, if I keepdoing this in 10 years, I'll be
somebody I don't like.
Um, because I had never been adrinker before that.
Like I didn't like alcohol, Iwasn't into it, and it was
through that relationship I gotinto that.
(08:28):
Um, I also ended up with carpaltunnel on both my arms when I
was 20 and had to have surgerythat ended my career.
So it's done a lot of differentthings.
Um, but there have beendifferent points in my life
where I have like really usedalcohol as a crutch and relying
on it because growing up in adysfunctional family, we weren't
taught how to express ouremotions in a healthy way.
(08:49):
It was always very explosiveand like the world's crashing
down, everything's ending.
And so I never knew how.
And I think that's why I reliedon alcohol so much.
It was self-medication.
And I even had an acupuncturefriend when I was working in
Chicago at a very high-end spot.
She's like, Oh, it's okay,you're self-medicating, just
have a few drinks, it's noproblem.
(09:10):
And it turned into a problemfor me, you know.
Um, some people can have a fewdrinks and they're fine.
Unfortunately, I'm not one ofthem.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah.
Mary (09:17):
Well, and I think as we get older as women, our bodies
change in the way we can handlealcohol.
There's a much biggerconsequence the next day, I
think, especially for mephysically.
I just don't, I just don't feelgood.
If I even if I have, you know,one glass of wine, I just don't
feel good the next day.
Tina (09:37):
Exactly.
And it especially like as a ifit's bread wine up and have
sulfites in it, um, but we justprocess things differently.
And also it's like it's realeasy for that one glass of wine
to turn into a bottle of wine,especially if it's had a hard
day.
Yeah.
You know?
And I have definitely beenthere.
Mary (09:54):
Yeah.
And I think sometimes we don'twant to really look at what's
happening.
You know, when you're in a,especially a relationship, if
it's been a longer relationshipand the pattern is set, it can
feel like it's so hard to getout of it.
And I think the other part iswe do see everywhere it's a joke
about, you know, I'm just havea glass of wine or I have a
(10:16):
glass of wine with mygirlfriends.
And it's so woven intoespecially American culture, I
think in a different way than alot of European cultures in how
we use wine, beer, all of thosethings in a social way or as a
coping strategy.
Tina (10:35):
Absolutely.
And it's like I'm also theDisney generation, so I grew up
on Disney.
So it's like, oh, love willcure everything.
Like if you love somebody, it'sall gonna work out.
And it doesn't, you know, youhave to really choose yourself
and realize if you have commongoals and things like that.
And if someone is encouragingyou to have these bad habits and
get hip on drugs now, that'snot a healthy relationship.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Right.
Tina (10:59):
And yeah, so but I I wish I knew things then that I knew
now, you know?
Yeah.
Mary (11:04):
Well, I think what you're putting out into the world now
is the positivity of midlife.
And when I say midlife, thathas confused some people.
It's actually confused youngerwomen because they don't know
what it means.
And I think of midlife as early40s through, I'll say 65, 67.
But also past that, I think wesort of settle into this new way
(11:30):
of being, new acceptance ofourselves instead of fighting
the narrative of you have tostay a certain way, you have to
look a certain way.
So, what do you think is themost powerful part or the most
vibrant part of when women gointo this stage of life?
What do you love about it?
Tina (11:49):
Well, I love that I have learned so many things
throughout my life and I can dothings differently now.
And that because I have beenthrough so much, like I've hit
rock bottom a couple differenttimes in my life, but I really
appreciate my life and where I'mat right now.
Um, and I have consciouslycreated a life that I truly
love, even when things, and notevery day is perfect.
(12:10):
Like people think just becauseI live international, it's like,
oh, everything is so easy.
It's like unicorns and rainbowsevery day.
It's not.
Um, you know, but it's it's thebeing able to really enjoy my
life and love it and beappreciative of it and really,
you know, just love where I'm atbecause I didn't love where I
was at and I was uh goingthrough transitions.
But I really think like 45 is aturning point for a lot of
(12:33):
women and for me, 50 and youknow, approaching 50 and being
in my 50s now has just beenhuge.
Um, and I was absolutelyterrified of turning 50, and
that's why I wrote the book.
That's why the idea came to me.
It wasn't because I was like,oh, we need a book on turning
50.
No, I was terrified.
I didn't know what was gonnahappen.
Um, you know, and I was evenlike, oh, can I say this?
(12:55):
Can I say the title?
Like, how can you say that?
I had who might write a book onbeing 50.
Like, I haven't done it before.
Like we're all just making thisup.
Mary (13:03):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I think what isinteresting is my parents, well,
if my mom was living, she'd be98 right now.
And that generation didn't talkabout menopause.
They they were the silentgeneration.
You just, you know, put up andshut up and you don't complain,
and you certainly rarely sharewith your girlfriends what
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you're going through.
And I think now there's been ahuge shift, and we see
perimenopause issues everywhere.
People are very open about it.
And I think sometimes what it'sdone is made women more fearful
that, oh no, I'm afraid ofwhat's coming.
And so let's talk about themyths.
(13:46):
What are some of the myths thatwe buy into?
Because before I have youanswer, the other thing that I
love is I've heard it calledmenopause time called second
spring.
So we get to start over, we getto bloom in a different way.
So let's bust some myths.
What are some that you thinkare just we need to not worry so
much about?
Tina (14:06):
That if you have gray hair, you're not sexy.
Mary (14:08):
Oh, your hair's your hair is beautiful, by the way.
Tina (14:11):
It is beautiful.
Yes.
That is like one of the biggestthings.
Like as women, we are so afraidof letting our hair grow
natural.
And my hair used to be yourcolor.
Like I was always a very darkbrunette.
Um, and it was like, I was, Iwas like, I'm never gonna go
gray.
I'm I'm gonna like dye my hairsince I'm 90 or shame it up and
look like a cancer patient.
(14:32):
I'm never gonna go gray.
And uh after I got sober, Iwent short and blonde.
And when I was in Mexico uhvisiting, I went dark pink,
bright pink.
It was supposed to be lightpink, but bright pink.
And it was fading out, and Iwas like, my hair's gray.
I was like, oh.
So you get to play around, youget to have fun with it.
Like, we don't need to beafraid of it.
Because when guys go gray, oh,it's a super fob to distinguish,
(14:55):
they're sexy.
Like, we can do that too.
It's not your hair that makesyou look young or old, it's your
attitude and it's yourvibrancy, and it's like your
love of life that help thathelps with that.
You know, so it's like that isas women, we are we're you know,
taught we very focused on ourappearance and we have to look
sexy, we have to do this, and wehave to, you know, do that.
And I'm just like, no, get beyou and embrace it and love it.
(15:17):
And if you don't like yourhair, don't buy it, absolutely.
My hair can be all differentkinds of colors, like I'm good
with it.
But I am very fortunate, so Ilove it.
So that's like one of the bigthings that women go through.
Um, the other thing with uhmenopause and perimenopause,
there are symptoms that we don'teven realize that can happen.
Like with me, um, I've alwayshad dental issues, and one of
(15:41):
the things is with theirmenopause and menopause is
dental issues.
Like there was a four-monthperiod where I had three
different plant fillingsfallout.
Okay.
So that is a thing, and thenalso frozen shoulders.
Like I have had shoulderissues, which I'm very flexible,
so that was surprising too.
Um, I call menopause adultpuberty.
(16:02):
That's kind of how I look at itbecause it's like it's like
being for, you know, when youwere 14, you had all the
hormones going on, everythingweird was going on with your
body, it was changing, it wasshifting, you didn't know what
was gonna happen, and you'd belike crying or laughing or
fighting with your parents, youknow, we have all those
emotions.
And so I experienced that a lotin uh menopause as well.
(16:24):
And sometimes I get horrendousanxiety, and I'm like, that is
so not like me to have thismind-crushing anxiety and just
knowing that it's temporary andthat you have to breathe through
it and use like different toolsto support you.
Um, because menopause reallygives you an opportunity for
self-care.
(16:44):
You know, as women, we don'treally do that a lot.
Um, in my profession,obviously, it's something I
preached, but women are goinghere and there and doing 10
million different things andtrying to do and be everything
to everyone instead of takingcare of themselves.
And it's more than getting yournails and your hair done.
So looking at MetaProcess beinga gift that you actually really
(17:06):
have to slow down and focus onyou and tune into your body and
be like, what is going on?
Like things are changing.
Um, and it's your body's byalso of kind of like shutting
down the factory, like, okay,we're not producing kids
anymore.
Like this the factory is shutdown, we're closed for business
on that one, and being able toresync them into creativity, you
(17:28):
know.
So it's like it's your time toreally create and nurture those
those desires in you that maybeyou haven't had the opportunity
to explore.
Yeah.
Mary (17:37):
And there are certainly things like you mentioned.
Like I had my own experiencewith frozen shoulder, and that
is a story for another daybecause it had to do with I got
a procedure and there that wasthe response, but the doctor
didn't know it, I didn't knowit.
So I think the point beingthere are things that are more
likely to happen, but theyaren't things to be dreaded
(17:58):
because it is totally driven bythe hormonal shift.
So hence the name secondpuberty, but it's a little bit
of knowledge.
And I can tell you, as someonewho has a certification in
functional nutrition, if we makesome of the shifts, that can
make a huge difference.
And I know that's part of thething that that people or I'll
(18:19):
say women dread or roll theireyes about, like, well, I can't
have my wine anymore and I can'teat this anymore.
Some of those things are trueif you want to keep your
hormones more balanced.
But once you embrace it,honestly, you don't miss it
because it's making youhealthier overall.
Tina (18:39):
Exactly.
And it, you know, viewing yourbody as, you know, as a temple
or thinking really what beingconscious of what you're putting
into it makes a hugedifference.
Um, I actually lost 90 poundsin my late 40s with Ayurvedic
medicine.
And that is all about tuninginto the seasons and the cycles
of the day and the year andreally working with that and
(19:01):
made a huge difference in mylife because I always had an
issue with my weight.
I was always struggling withit.
And that, like really tuninginto my body and you know, using
a natural approach made a hugedifference.
And some people might be like,oh, I don't want to do that, but
for me it was life-changing.
Mary (19:17):
Yeah.
And I'm I'm a nature girl.
I have a book coming out at thebeginning of the year called
Nature Knows, and it's all abouthow plants teach us how to set
boundaries and stay well.
And I think that if we can tuneinto the things around us, it
helps us to stay grounded.
It helps us to know more whatwe need instinctively.
But I think that you brought upa good point when you talk
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about this different stage meansthere are things that we don't
need to tend to in the same wayanymore, like children, like a
career, all of the things thatwe are juggling through our, you
know, 20s, through our mid-40s,into our 50s.
When there's time to put thataside, you actually get to sit
(20:04):
back and say, now what do I wantto build in my life?
And paying attention to whatyou're talking about, the
self-care of yes, pedicures,which I love, but also really
living a life based on gettingsleep and and good food and all
of those things.
Now you get to do that, andthat is so empowering in a
(20:27):
different way.
Tina (20:28):
Exactly.
And congratulations on yourbook, by the way.
That's I'm sure it's gonna beamazing.
Thank you.
That is that's such a bigthing.
So that is wonderful.
Yes, it really is.
It is.
And it's like as a point of,you know, just taking the time
for yourself because uh hotflashes are real and we all
experience them differently.
And sometimes, you know, I wakeup in the middle of the night
at 3 a.m.
(20:49):
and I can't get back to sleep.
You know, that is real also.
Um, but also then it's like Itake a nap during the day, you
know, or you know, you findother ways like doing some yoga
or walking or breathing or otherways to really uh nurture that
because it's like unfortunatelythat does happen, but finding
ways to cope with it and givingyourself that time and space are
(21:10):
so important.
Mary (21:11):
Yeah.
So talk a little bit about whatchanges you've made, what you
really embrace as part of thisbeing healthy and vibrant at
this age.
Tina (21:21):
Self-care.
I love self-care.
I will talk about that all daylong.
Um, I do a lot of tapping,which is emotional freedom
technique.
I love that.
That has been a game changerbecause um I have horrendous
travel anxiety, believe it ornot.
And then just with thedifferent um changes I've been
going through this year, uh,tapping has been a huge thing.
(21:43):
Learning different breathingtechniques also, like box
breathing has been wonderful.
Um, you know, making sure I'mgetting enough sleep, enough
water.
My nutrition could definitelybe a bit better, I will say.
And I am very aware of that.
Um, I'm not a supplementsperson, but I know I need to
start taking them.
(22:03):
Um, I'm the person I will buythe supplement and it sits on
the shelf.
So I know that's something Ineed to work on.
Just being honest about that.
Um, because we do need to giveourselves different nutrients
and supplements and things likethat, because our bodies do
require different things andwe're not getting them like we
used to.
Um, so but I do try to eathealthy and get movement and
(22:25):
stretch.
I stretch pretty much every daybecause you know, sometimes you
wake up and you're like, oh, alittle bit.
And rather than focusing onthat, like, because as people
tend to get older, like, oh,this hurts and that hurts, and
oh, I can't move, or you know,and I don't want to focus on
those things.
I want to be like, huh, okay,like this is feeling different
(22:48):
today.
Like I am feeling a littleachier.
This is a little more sore thatit's like, okay, did I have too
much sugar yesterday?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah.
Tina (22:55):
And sometimes that is like a real thing.
Like, I love sweets.
Like, I oh my goodness, youknow, there are so many amazing
desserts in the world.
Um, but it's like sometimes I'mlike, oh, have I been eating
too much sugar because yourjoints just kind of hurt in the
morning some days.
Yeah.
Um, and that's why stretchingalso is so important, just to
get everything moving and fluidand just even putting your legs
(23:16):
up the wall can make a hugedifference.
Mary (23:19):
Yeah, that's one of my favorite positions to lay on
your back and have your buttagainst the wall with your legs
straight up is one of myfavorites.
You made a good point about weneed to keep moving because the
more we move, the less it'sgonna hurt.
And weight training is reallyimportant.
But you also said somethingelse that I really want to
highlight.
(23:39):
You are a traveler, but youhave travel anxiety.
And I think this is the perfectpoint to make that if you have
anxiety, and I don't know manypeople who love going through
security at an airport and allthe things now we have to go
through to just get on a plane,but it's worth doing, right?
Absolutely, absolutely.
Tina (24:00):
It is always worth a journey.
Like I hate the actual act oftraveling, uh-huh, but I love
going to other countries.
I love meeting new people, Ilove learning about new
cultures.
It is something I'm superpassionate about.
So it's worth it to me.
Um, but yeah, it's gettingbetter, I feel like, but I am I
am really surprised because whenI go through security, I'm like
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tapping and breathing, and it'slike I look like I'm smuggling
something.
Like I do, I look like thatnervous person.
Um, and you know, and I'm notokay until I'm physically on the
plane.
You know, up until that point,even being at the gate, I'm
like, oh my God, are theychanging the gate?
Like, what's going on?
Like, I am the worst traveler.
I'm also directionallychallenged, I'm technologically
challenged.
So it's like, but it's worth itfor me, you know.
(24:43):
Even um changing countries, Ihad to switch from Colombia to
Mexico.
And the week before, I washaving just mind-numbing
anxiety.
And I'm like, what is going on?
Like, nothing is wrong in mylife.
I know I'm moving countries,but there was just this
mind-crushing anxiety, and I wasjust like, okay, let's just
breathe through this and takethe walk and be out in nature
(25:04):
and just give myself the timeand space to sit and journal and
talk to Chat GPT a little bit,actually.
Yeah.
You know, and just realize thatthings will change.
Yeah.
You know, the next day, thenext afternoon, like later that
day, you can feel completelydifferent.
Mary (25:22):
Well, and recognizing that, that if you have a lot of
anxiety about something, itdoesn't mean you avoid it.
It actually means you go towardit because then you're taking
its power away.
So I think there's also an ideathat when someone listens to
you and the things you've doneand how you love to travel and
you just move to a differentcountry that and it's not where
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you grew up, they tend to thinkit's easy and that you just do
it effortlessly.
So I think that's the otherthing that I love, that we can
let people know, yeah, I do allthese things that I love, but
there is effort behind themsometimes, and I do have to deal
with sometimes some anxiety orother things that could be a
(26:03):
barrier.
Tina (26:04):
Absolutely.
And sometimes the simplestthings take the longest or the
most frustrating in othercountry because I am not fluent
in Spanish.
My Spanish is still so bad.
My pronunciation is so bad whenI speak.
People are like, what do yousay?
Um, but I'm really friendly andI use Google Translate um and I
can convey what I need.
You know, and a lot of peopledo speak English around the
(26:25):
world, so that helps me it helpsme, but it doesn't help me
learn the language.
Um, but it's just like youknow, being friendly and and
realizing things are different,you know, and when you go to a
different country, don't expectit to be like where you're from,
right?
Be embracing out that culture,those people.
And I am just in awe ofeverything.
Like I love going with littlecandies and because they're all
(26:48):
like a little different becausethey're locally owned
businesses.
And I just love that aboutdifferent countries, you know.
So it's like embracing thosedifferences and knowing that,
yeah, it can be challenging, butgive yourself some time and
space to have a glass of wateror relax or just connect with
people and just enjoy theexperience of being someplace
(27:08):
else.
Like it's so amazing.
Mary (27:10):
Well, it's also great for your brain because anytime you
do something that's different,even if you drive a different
way home from work or thegrocery store, it is really a
great way to keep your neuralconnections kind of lubricated
and your mind going.
And I think also when you canjust accept that you don't know
(27:32):
what you don't know.
So for instance, I went toCosta Rica and I needed to go to
the post office and buy stamps.
And I do know a little bit ofSpanish, it's not great, but I
just took my translation bookalong so they knew that not that
they wouldn't know by lookingat me that I'm not from there,
but um, I just took it along andpeople are amazingly willing to
(27:54):
help you if you just are honestand say, hey, I'm I'm gonna try
this.
And once you try and you'regonna fail, you're gonna
pronounce things wrong.
The world doesn't end.
When I was in Italy, I tried toorder pizza with basil and I
ordered pizza with a church onit or something like I used
(28:14):
totally the wrong, because Ithink basilica is something like
church.
I don't get it.
Yeah.
So I they kind of looked at meand then we just all laughed
because they knew what I meant.
But I think that feeling ofjust let yourself mess up
because what it actually doesalmost all the time is it
creates a connection becauseyou're sharing laughter and a
(28:36):
smile also goes very far whenyou're in a situation that
you're uncomfortable with.
Tina (28:42):
Absolutely.
And people are just wonderfulall over the world.
I've been to over 10 countriesor so since I started traveling
when I turned 45.
And people are just amazing.
And if you're friendly andgenerous and kind, you're going
to have people that want to helpyou rather than people who are
like, ah, you know, occasionallyI get people who are like, but
it's rare.
(29:02):
Um, I use Google Translate.
You can also use uh Chat GPTfor translation as well.
So it's kind of it's kind ofnice.
Like we're so blessed to havethe technology these days, even
if we don't know how to use it.
Mary (29:13):
Oh yeah.
Well, Google Translate isawesome, and you can even have
it translate a menu, like justit it uses your camera and it
will translate your menu.
So we do have so many things tohelp.
And you're right, I think ifthere's somebody that kind of
turns up their nose, well,they're just a grump.
And then you can move on andyou know go to the next person,
(29:35):
but it's so enriching to do it.
Tina (29:37):
It absolutely is.
And my bit my bigger visionactually is to create co-living
spaces that are international sowomen can travel solo and feel
like they have a community.
Oh, I know that where we canteach each other because by the
time you're 50 or in midlife,like you've learned a lot of
things.
And so I want to create thesecommunities where women can
share what we've learned, kindof like help each other level.
(29:59):
Up um and give of what you knowbecause we've all learned so
many different things.
Women have had amazingbusinesses, careers, uh,
children.
Like we've we've done a lot Iknow.
And I want to create thesebeautiful, like palace-like
places that are luxury and uh,you know, but affordable and so
we can share things.
You know, because I reallythink building each other up and
(30:23):
sharing what we've learned sowe can all change and grow
together, especially at thisstage of life, we'll be
unstoppable.
Mary (30:31):
Totally.
And we have been set up sooften to be in competition.
And I think that's part of thereason why we struggle so much
with our body changes because wewe look at other women and
we're like, wow, how does shelook so good?
Or what's she doing?
And that's the thing, you know,with coloring our hair or, you
know, doing certain thingsfacially, like whatever it is,
(30:54):
there is that competition orthat comparison.
And I think we need to flipthat and we need to start using
the strength of our connectionto you're right, to build each
other up.
Tina (31:05):
Absolutely.
And I really think thatmenopause kind of does that for
women because now there arecelebrities speaking out about
it and their experiences withit.
You know, women you'd neverthink would have problems in
their lives, you know, uh butHalle Berry, Drew Barrymore, you
know, Maria Schreiber, Oprah,like they're all coming out and
saying, hey, this is what'shappened, this is what we've
(31:27):
experienced, and they haveaccess to the best medical teams
on earth.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah.
Tina (31:31):
You know, but being able to share the experiences, I
think it's going to help notonly us as we're going through
it, but women that come after usto not be afraid and to embrace
things and to help each of uslike bring us up instead of you
know nitpicking each other andthat because that's not what we
need to do.
We need to rise together.
Yeah.
Mary (31:50):
Well, and I think somebody like Jamie Lee Curtis, who lets
you see her face as an agingwoman and her energy is so
amazing.
And I think it's starting tohappen more.
So Pamela Anderson, it goes outwithout makeup.
Carrie Russell, who is, she's,I don't even think she's 50 yet,
but she is allowing her face tolook like someone who is
(32:14):
approaching 50.
And we don't need to apologizefor that.
I mean, and in the the umpressure on them in that
industry is so much stronger.
So I really admire when theybasically say, hey, this is me
and this is what I look likenow.
And if it means I'm gonna missout on roles, then that's where
the problem is.
Tina (32:35):
Exactly.
Exactly.
You know, and look at MerylStreet, she's amazing, and she
has done every kind of rolethere is.
Like I just love her.
Yeah.
So I really think that we're sofortunate to be in this time
and age where women are actuallyembracing it and being like,
it's normal, it's okay.
And, you know, we don't deserveto be treated differently.
(32:56):
We deserve to be treated likethe wonderful creatures that we
are.
Mary (32:59):
Yeah, we're one we are wonderful.
And so I'm gonna talk a littleabout your book.
Now I'm I'm gonna I'm gonnaswear people.
Her upcoming book is called 50Fabulous and Fuckable.
And tell us what made youdecide you needed to put
something down in writing inbook form.
Tina (33:18):
The idea came to me, honestly.
I was terrified of turning 50.
I was about 46, 47.
The idea of I I wanted to beempowered and inspired by
turning 50.
I did not want to be terrifiedof it because I had people
around me that were like thatwere 50 or even younger than me,
be like, oh, this person, thathurts and oh, I'm getting so
old, and 50 is so old.
And I was like, wait a minute,I still feel really good.
(33:38):
I don't know what's gonnahappen when I turn 50.
Like, do I die?
Does everything close up?
Like, what happens?
Like, I don't know.
Like, I feel really good rightnow.
Is it gonna change that much ina couple of years?
And so I was terrified.
So I really wanted to not onlyempower and inspire myself, but
then the book idea came to me.
I did not sit down and try tocreate it.
I don't consider myself awriter.
(34:00):
And it's so funny because itcame to me when the title came
to me.
I was like, oh my goodness, canI say that?
Am I allowed to say that?
Like, I don't know.
Like, oh my goodness, like,what are people gonna say?
But it's just such a greattitle.
Like it is, because it keepsanywhere I say that in the
world, people like, ooh, men,women, all ages, they're like, I
(34:20):
want to read that book.
Um, so it's been reallyinteresting people's responses
to the title of the book, andthen also when I tell them what
the book is about, uh, becauseit is based on my own life
experience.
I really wanted to make it forthe readers and not have it be
just all about me.
Um, but it is based oneverything that I have done.
So it's like it's kind of likea how-to, like if I can do this,
(34:41):
you can do this.
Um, but it's it's really like Iwasn't sure about writing a
book that talked about being inyour 50s.
So I'm like, I've never done itbefore.
Like, that is not my area ofexpertise.
Like, we don't we're onlytrained 51.
Yeah, you know, it's not likeplaying basketball or something
that you do and build up askill.
Um, so and it's been reallyinteresting because people are
(35:02):
getting inspired by the thingsthat I've done.
They're really amazed that Ihave been traveling, uh
especially since I started solate in life, and living abroad
and doing these things that I'velost 90 pounds and I was living
on passive income for fiveyears, um, you know, and that I
do go to other countries where Idon't speak the language at
all.
(35:22):
Yeah.
But it's part of that joy ofturning, uh becoming midlife and
being like, if I don't do itnow, when am I going to do it?
Because we are not guaranteedtomorrow.
We are not guaranteed thatwe're going to have a long,
healthy life.
We are not guaranteed we'regoing to be liftful mindy.
And they're really like,there's nothing worse than going
to Europe and seeing peoplegetting around using canes and
(35:44):
walkers and wheelchairs becausethey are not able-bodied enough
to do it.
Because traveling is hard tobegin with.
Like it is, it's challenging.
And I wanted to have thesethese experiences now because if
something does happen to me, Iknow that I've lived a life that
I'm very passionate about andthat I've done the things I
wanted to do.
And I would rather do things toregret them than not do them
(36:07):
and regret not doing them.
You know?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah.
Tina (36:11):
And I think more of us need to live like that because
it's really easy to get boxedinto the nine to five and
thinking you can't do anythingdifferent.
And my life has been veryunconventional.
Um, I've been through a lot,and if I can do these things,
anyone can do them.
And that is really the essenceof my book.
If I can do it, you can do it.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Yeah.
Tina (36:28):
You know, and there's always hope.
Like if I can go through allthe things I've been through in
my life and come out on theother side, then so can you.
Mary (36:36):
Yeah.
And I was gonna say, what wouldbe one key takeaway?
Well, you just said it.
If you can do it, anybody cando it.
And you know, I think that italso shows that we have an idea,
especially when we're young,that we're going to have a life
that's kind of like a ladder,that we climb to the next thing
and the next thing.
Well, I think you've fallen offthe ladder a couple times and
(36:57):
you've had to make your ownladder or go around the ladder.
And when you talk about fiveyears with passive income, we
also are terrified to leave ajob we hate because we're
worried about that money issue.
So I think there's a lot ofthings where you've reinvented
yourself in a sense and yourpath.
And so I think that would be aa pretty inspirational story for
(37:20):
people to hear or to read.
Tina (37:24):
Well, I really appreciate that.
And um and a lot of this likecame from my last car accident.
I was rented by an 89-year-oldlady that was going into
assisted living the next week.
Oh my.
And I was just like, could younot have waited like five
minutes?
So it's really interesting.
It's like, I do wonder whatwould have happened if that
accident had happened because itwas very difficult for me.
(37:46):
And I hung on to the pain andthe anger for a long time, and I
still have issues with that in20 beginning of 2020.
I was like, I have to let go ofthis.
I have to quit being angry.
I have to let my body healbecause I was just angry and in
pain all the time.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah.
Tina (38:03):
And that does not help.
It does not help when you'refighting with an insurance
company and trying to get thingsresolved and they don't believe
you.
Um, so yeah, you have to likesome at some times you just have
to let things go.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah.
Tina (38:15):
And you have to be willing to move forward and realize
that maybe you're not gonna doeverything perfectly because I
definitely haven't done thingsperfectly at all.
And there are things I woulddefinitely do differently.
But live your life, enjoy it,embrace it.
You're only gonna be thisyoung, you're only gonna be as
young as you are right now.
You know, and I know women intheir 70s that are absolutely
(38:35):
amazing.
So I'm like, I want to be likeyou.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Uh-huh.
Tina (38:38):
Like, you're in better shape and healthier than I am.
I want to be like you when Igrow up.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah.
Tina (38:43):
So yeah.
So embrace it, enjoy it, andlive your life.
Oh, I love that.
Mary (38:48):
Well, that's that's a great note to wrap it up on.
So thank you for being here.
Tell us when your book will beavailable and if there's
anything else, like where theycan find you, if there's
anything else you want to share.
Tina (39:00):
Okay, absolutely.
Um, it will be availablethrough uh Amazon.
It's not on there yet, but itwill be on there very soon.
It should be available by theend of this month, which is
November.
Um, and the place to find me,I'm on TikTok and Instagram at
Transform Bake Courageous.
And then I also have like a hubof all the products I have
available.
(39:21):
It's beacons.ai backslashbackslash transform bake
courageous.
So that has like little uheverything on it.
And I do have some freebies onthere.
I do have the seven steps ofself-love on there as well as a
travel guide.
So those are like littlefreebies that everyone can
enjoy.
Um, technology is not my strongpoint, so I'm trying to like do
(39:43):
everything and regroupeverything by myself.
And it's like but yeah.
Mary (39:48):
Okay, great.
And I will put all I will linkall that in the show notes so if
they if people didn't get it,you know, they'll be able to
access it.
Well, thank you, Tina.
This was a this was a funconversation.
Well, thanks so much.
It was so great being on youron your podcast.
I absolutely love it.
Thank you.
And we didn't hear anyfireworks, so and I want to
thank everyone for listening.
(40:08):
Please share this episode withthe friend who is ready to
expand fully into her midlife.
And until next time, go outinto the world and be the
amazing, resilient, vibrantviolet that you are.
I hung on to the pain and the anger for a long time and I
still have issues with that.
In 20 beginning of 2020, I waslike, I have to let go of this.
I have to quit being angry.
I have to let my body feelbecause I was just angry and in
pain all the time.
Mary (00:20):
Welcome to No Shrinking Violets.
I'm your host, Mary Rothwell,licensed therapist and certified
integrative mental healthpractitioner.
I've created a space where wecelebrate the intuition and
power of women who want to breakfree from limiting narratives.
We'll explore all realms ofwellness, what it means to take
up space unapologetically, andhow your essential nature is key
(00:43):
to living life on your terms.
It's time to own your space,trust your nature, and flourish.
Let's dive in.
Hey Violet, welcome to theshow.
When I was young, in my 20s and30s, I traveled solo relatively
often.
Although I didn't travelinternationally by myself, I
(01:06):
would often take road trips andonce even drove across the
United States.
Ironically, I'm much lesslikely to do so now.
Not only have things changedsince those times, but I
unfortunately find myselfbecoming less audacious in
travel adventures.
I can't say that I love thatabout myself.
So I will be heading out of thecountry in a few months by
(01:26):
myself, mostly because it was atrip I really wanted to take,
but also because I wanted tohave the challenge of relying
only on myself.
For me, one of the challengesof midlife is reimagining all
the things you thought your lifewould be and embracing the
beauty of what it is.
I've had so many women sit inmy office and mourn all the
things that were part of theiryouth, dewy skin, often a
(01:49):
smaller clothing size, or simplyhaving a different kind of hope
for the future.
Or the things they are nolonger doing, including travel.
But there are so many greatthings about life after 50.
As with so many things, mindsetis key.
My guest today is owning hermidlife and seems to have become
more adventurous in later life.
(02:11):
After more than two decades asa licensed massage therapist,
Tina Coleman's career wasabruptly cut short by a car
accident.
Instead of letting life'shardships define her, she chose
to reinvent herself from theground up.
That reinvention began withsolo travel, an experience that
opened her eyes to possibility,freedom, and courage.
(02:32):
Solo travel became the catalystthat ultimately led her to move
abroad, where she continues toembrace transformation and
intentional living.
Tina is the bold voice behindan upcoming book about life
after 50.
It's a powerful guide thatredefines what it means to be a
woman at midlife.
Her mission is to empower womento embrace reinvention,
(02:52):
freedom, and unapologeticconfidence while stepping into
the most vibrant, authenticchapter of their lives.
Welcome to No ShrinkingViolets, Tina.
Tina (03:01):
Thank you so much.
It's such an honor to be onyour show.
I've been looking forward tothose.
Mary (03:06):
And she is talking to us from Mexico right now.
So she explained to me thatsometimes there are celebrations
kind of through the day withfireworks.
So if you hear something in thebackground that the mics pick
up, then you're getting somefireworks in your day.
So which is appropriate forLaffee After 50, right?
Absolutely.
We need more fireworks in ourlife and more fun.
(03:27):
Okay, so I love to start offwith my guests by having them
talk about the pivotal momentsin their life where there was a
mindset shift or kind of itopened your eyes and led to
where you are now.
Tina (03:41):
Oh boy.
I've had a lot of them, I'vebeen through a lot of different
things in my life, to be honest.
And it's been reallyinteresting.
Um, I'm originally from DesMoines, Iowa.
So, and I had a verydysfunctional childhood.
So I really relied on going tochurch and doing really well in
school.
And those really helped to laythe foundation of who I am, um,
(04:02):
because having that faith insomething greater than yourself,
I think is so important.
Um, and there have been timesin my life where I've really
hung on to that, and sometimeswhere I have been disconnected
from it.
And I can say at the timeswhere I really embraced that, my
life is much better.
So that's like a big thing thatlaid the foundation for me.
And then in my uh early 20s oractually teens and early 20s, I
(04:25):
was in a very long-termdysfunctional relationship, and
that was just awful.
All different kinds of thingsinvolved in that.
Um, and then I became aspiritual teacher.
So uh with that, with an up forprofit group, so I taught
meditation, concentration,visualization, uh healing at a
distance, and I studied a lot ofthe esoteric things.
I was with them for sevenyears, and that's actually when
(04:47):
I left tomorrow in Iowa becauseI always wanted to travel.
I always knew I wanted to move.
Like even as a kid, I would belike, Why can't we move?
Like, why do we have to be inthe same house?
Why do we have to go to thesame school?
Like, I've always had that inme.
And so it's really interestingwhen I uh was with this
not-for-profit and startedteaching and directing Saw the
centers, I started movingaround.
(05:08):
Um, and a month after I moved,I was in my first car accident.
I was hit by a semi.
So that is actually what got meinto massage therapy.
And I had grown up in ahousehold where it was like,
scrub my shoulders, walk on myback, and never thought anything
of it.
Like I was gonna be anaccountant and make money.
And so when I had a caraccident, I'm like, I can heal
(05:30):
myself.
I know I can heal myself.
Well, it turns out I neededhelp, and so I got into uh
chiropractic acupuncture,massage therapy as far as my
treatment, and that was reallylife-changing for me.
Um, you know, and it was I'mvery lucky to still be here and
to have walked away from that.
But that would that would havea huge impact that actually
(05:50):
encouraged me to the abuserelationship I was in and you
know be that skirmish withteacher.
And through that, I really wasable to uh, you know, heal
myself and step into a new lifepath, really.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah.
Tina (06:04):
Um, but yeah, and it's like I've lived all over the US
and traveled quite a bit with uhthat group and directed
different organizations.
So it's been a lot.
So and I've had a lot ofdifferent things that I've had
to deal with.
Um, one of the things thatreally hit me hard and led to me
traveling abroad was when Ilost my mother and stepdad very
(06:26):
close to each other verysuddenly.
And I went into a very dark,deep spiral and I was drinking
very heavily.
Um yeah, and I have alcoholismon both sides of my family.
So that was kind of like thekicker for me where I just was
not okay.
I was a very different personback then than I am now, and I
just did not care.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah.
Tina (06:47):
You know, and it was just like it was so incredibly hard.
Um, and then in 2018, Iactually a friend took me to uh
like the Secrets with Millie intheir mindset.
It was, you know, one of thoseinspirational rah, rah, rah
seminars.
Well, I drank the Kool-Aid,bought the whole package, and
that really started changing mylife.
(07:08):
That's really when um I knew Ineeded to make changes and I
wasn't happy, and I was able toactually get sober um through a
12-step program because of thatincentive, because I was like,
okay, it's time for me tochange.
It's time, it's time to dosomething different because I
did not like where my life wasgoing.
Mary (07:28):
Well, and I hear so many women that that sort of seems to
be the trajectory of theirstory that they make a lot of
decisions, and I'll justrandomly say pre-40-year-old,
you know, leading up to 40.
And somehow it culminates withsomething happening, with
there's an event where it startsto increase your awareness of
(07:50):
like, wow, I've developed a lotof patterns or a lot of coping
strategies that are not healthy.
So you probably knew this alongthe way, right?
That there was some part of youthat's like, wow, I'm drinking
a lot and I'm not really fullyin my life.
Tina (08:08):
Yes, and I'd had I'd actually had that experience at
different points in my life,like when I was in the abuse
relationship, I started drinkingreally heavily and I had this
aha moment.
Like I was like, if I keepdoing this in 10 years, I'll be
somebody I don't like.
Um, because I had never been adrinker before that.
Like I didn't like alcohol, Iwasn't into it, and it was
through that relationship I gotinto that.
(08:28):
Um, I also ended up with carpaltunnel on both my arms when I
was 20 and had to have surgerythat ended my career.
So it's done a lot of differentthings.
Um, but there have beendifferent points in my life
where I have like really usedalcohol as a crutch and relying
on it because growing up in adysfunctional family, we weren't
taught how to express ouremotions in a healthy way.
(08:49):
It was always very explosiveand like the world's crashing
down, everything's ending.
And so I never knew how.
And I think that's why I reliedon alcohol so much.
It was self-medication.
And I even had an acupuncturefriend when I was working in
Chicago at a very high-end spot.
She's like, Oh, it's okay,you're self-medicating, just
have a few drinks, it's noproblem.
(09:10):
And it turned into a problemfor me, you know.
Um, some people can have a fewdrinks and they're fine.
Unfortunately, I'm not one ofthem.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah.
Mary (09:17):
Well, and I think as we get older as women, our bodies
change in the way we can handlealcohol.
There's a much biggerconsequence the next day, I
think, especially for mephysically.
I just don't, I just don't feelgood.
If I even if I have, you know,one glass of wine, I just don't
feel good the next day.
Tina (09:37):
Exactly.
And it especially like as a ifit's bread wine up and have
sulfites in it, um, but we justprocess things differently.
And also it's like it's realeasy for that one glass of wine
to turn into a bottle of wine,especially if it's had a hard
day.
Yeah.
You know?
And I have definitely beenthere.
Mary (09:54):
Yeah.
And I think sometimes we don'twant to really look at what's
happening.
You know, when you're in a,especially a relationship, if
it's been a longer relationshipand the pattern is set, it can
feel like it's so hard to getout of it.
And I think the other part iswe do see everywhere it's a joke
about, you know, I'm just havea glass of wine or I have a
(10:16):
glass of wine with mygirlfriends.
And it's so woven intoespecially American culture, I
think in a different way than alot of European cultures in how
we use wine, beer, all of thosethings in a social way or as a
coping strategy.
Tina (10:35):
Absolutely.
And it's like I'm also theDisney generation, so I grew up
on Disney.
So it's like, oh, love willcure everything.
Like if you love somebody, it'sall gonna work out.
And it doesn't, you know, youhave to really choose yourself
and realize if you have commongoals and things like that.
And if someone is encouragingyou to have these bad habits and
get hip on drugs now, that'snot a healthy relationship.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Right.
Tina (10:59):
And yeah, so but I I wish I knew things then that I knew
now, you know?
Yeah.
Mary (11:04):
Well, I think what you're putting out into the world now
is the positivity of midlife.
And when I say midlife, thathas confused some people.
It's actually confused youngerwomen because they don't know
what it means.
And I think of midlife as early40s through, I'll say 65, 67.
But also past that, I think wesort of settle into this new way
(11:30):
of being, new acceptance ofourselves instead of fighting
the narrative of you have tostay a certain way, you have to
look a certain way.
So, what do you think is themost powerful part or the most
vibrant part of when women gointo this stage of life?
What do you love about it?
Tina (11:49):
Well, I love that I have learned so many things
throughout my life and I can dothings differently now.
And that because I have beenthrough so much, like I've hit
rock bottom a couple differenttimes in my life, but I really
appreciate my life and where I'mat right now.
Um, and I have consciouslycreated a life that I truly
love, even when things, and notevery day is perfect.
(12:10):
Like people think just becauseI live international, it's like,
oh, everything is so easy.
It's like unicorns and rainbowsevery day.
It's not.
Um, you know, but it's it's thebeing able to really enjoy my
life and love it and beappreciative of it and really,
you know, just love where I'm atbecause I didn't love where I
was at and I was uh goingthrough transitions.
But I really think like 45 is aturning point for a lot of
(12:33):
women and for me, 50 and youknow, approaching 50 and being
in my 50s now has just beenhuge.
Um, and I was absolutelyterrified of turning 50, and
that's why I wrote the book.
That's why the idea came to me.
It wasn't because I was like,oh, we need a book on turning
50.
No, I was terrified.
I didn't know what was gonnahappen.
Um, you know, and I was evenlike, oh, can I say this?
(12:55):
Can I say the title?
Like, how can you say that?
I had who might write a book onbeing 50.
Like, I haven't done it before.
Like we're all just making thisup.
Mary (13:03):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I think what isinteresting is my parents, well,
if my mom was living, she'd be98 right now.
And that generation didn't talkabout menopause.
They they were the silentgeneration.
You just, you know, put up andshut up and you don't complain,
and you certainly rarely sharewith your girlfriends what
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you're going through.
And I think now there's been ahuge shift, and we see
perimenopause issues everywhere.
People are very open about it.
And I think sometimes what it'sdone is made women more fearful
that, oh no, I'm afraid ofwhat's coming.
And so let's talk about themyths.
(13:46):
What are some of the myths thatwe buy into?
Because before I have youanswer, the other thing that I
love is I've heard it calledmenopause time called second
spring.
So we get to start over, we getto bloom in a different way.
So let's bust some myths.
What are some that you thinkare just we need to not worry so
much about?
Tina (14:06):
That if you have gray hair, you're not sexy.
Mary (14:08):
Oh, your hair's your hair is beautiful, by the way.
Tina (14:11):
It is beautiful.
Yes.
That is like one of the biggestthings.
Like as women, we are so afraidof letting our hair grow
natural.
And my hair used to be yourcolor.
Like I was always a very darkbrunette.
Um, and it was like, I was, Iwas like, I'm never gonna go
gray.
I'm I'm gonna like dye my hairsince I'm 90 or shame it up and
look like a cancer patient.
(14:32):
I'm never gonna go gray.
And uh after I got sober, Iwent short and blonde.
And when I was in Mexico uhvisiting, I went dark pink,
bright pink.
It was supposed to be lightpink, but bright pink.
And it was fading out, and Iwas like, my hair's gray.
I was like, oh.
So you get to play around, youget to have fun with it.
Like, we don't need to beafraid of it.
Because when guys go gray, oh,it's a super fob to distinguish,
(14:55):
they're sexy.
Like, we can do that too.
It's not your hair that makesyou look young or old, it's your
attitude and it's yourvibrancy, and it's like your
love of life that help thathelps with that.
You know, so it's like that isas women, we are we're you know,
taught we very focused on ourappearance and we have to look
sexy, we have to do this, and wehave to, you know, do that.
And I'm just like, no, get beyou and embrace it and love it.
(15:17):
And if you don't like yourhair, don't buy it, absolutely.
My hair can be all differentkinds of colors, like I'm good
with it.
But I am very fortunate, so Ilove it.
So that's like one of the bigthings that women go through.
Um, the other thing with uhmenopause and perimenopause,
there are symptoms that we don'teven realize that can happen.
Like with me, um, I've alwayshad dental issues, and one of
(15:41):
the things is with theirmenopause and menopause is
dental issues.
Like there was a four-monthperiod where I had three
different plant fillingsfallout.
Okay.
So that is a thing, and thenalso frozen shoulders.
Like I have had shoulderissues, which I'm very flexible,
so that was surprising too.
Um, I call menopause adultpuberty.
(16:02):
That's kind of how I look at itbecause it's like it's like
being for, you know, when youwere 14, you had all the
hormones going on, everythingweird was going on with your
body, it was changing, it wasshifting, you didn't know what
was gonna happen, and you'd belike crying or laughing or
fighting with your parents, youknow, we have all those
emotions.
And so I experienced that a lotin uh menopause as well.
(16:24):
And sometimes I get horrendousanxiety, and I'm like, that is
so not like me to have thismind-crushing anxiety and just
knowing that it's temporary andthat you have to breathe through
it and use like different toolsto support you.
Um, because menopause reallygives you an opportunity for
self-care.
(16:44):
You know, as women, we don'treally do that a lot.
Um, in my profession,obviously, it's something I
preached, but women are goinghere and there and doing 10
million different things andtrying to do and be everything
to everyone instead of takingcare of themselves.
And it's more than getting yournails and your hair done.
So looking at MetaProcess beinga gift that you actually really
(17:06):
have to slow down and focus onyou and tune into your body and
be like, what is going on?
Like things are changing.
Um, and it's your body's byalso of kind of like shutting
down the factory, like, okay,we're not producing kids
anymore.
Like this the factory is shutdown, we're closed for business
on that one, and being able toresync them into creativity, you
(17:28):
know.
So it's like it's your time toreally create and nurture those
those desires in you that maybeyou haven't had the opportunity
to explore.
Yeah.
Mary (17:37):
And there are certainly things like you mentioned.
Like I had my own experiencewith frozen shoulder, and that
is a story for another daybecause it had to do with I got
a procedure and there that wasthe response, but the doctor
didn't know it, I didn't knowit.
So I think the point beingthere are things that are more
likely to happen, but theyaren't things to be dreaded
(17:58):
because it is totally driven bythe hormonal shift.
So hence the name secondpuberty, but it's a little bit
of knowledge.
And I can tell you, as someonewho has a certification in
functional nutrition, if we makesome of the shifts, that can
make a huge difference.
And I know that's part of thething that that people or I'll
(18:19):
say women dread or roll theireyes about, like, well, I can't
have my wine anymore and I can'teat this anymore.
Some of those things are trueif you want to keep your
hormones more balanced.
But once you embrace it,honestly, you don't miss it
because it's making youhealthier overall.
Tina (18:39):
Exactly.
And it, you know, viewing yourbody as, you know, as a temple
or thinking really what beingconscious of what you're putting
into it makes a hugedifference.
Um, I actually lost 90 poundsin my late 40s with Ayurvedic
medicine.
And that is all about tuninginto the seasons and the cycles
of the day and the year andreally working with that and
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made a huge difference in mylife because I always had an
issue with my weight.
I was always struggling withit.
And that, like really tuninginto my body and you know, using
a natural approach made a hugedifference.
And some people might be like,oh, I don't want to do that, but
for me it was life-changing.
Mary (19:17):
Yeah.
And I'm I'm a nature girl.
I have a book coming out at thebeginning of the year called
Nature Knows, and it's all abouthow plants teach us how to set
boundaries and stay well.
And I think that if we can tuneinto the things around us, it
helps us to stay grounded.
It helps us to know more whatwe need instinctively.
But I think that you brought upa good point when you talk
(19:40):
about this different stage meansthere are things that we don't
need to tend to in the same wayanymore, like children, like a
career, all of the things thatwe are juggling through our, you
know, 20s, through our mid-40s,into our 50s.
When there's time to put thataside, you actually get to sit
(20:04):
back and say, now what do I wantto build in my life?
And paying attention to whatyou're talking about, the
self-care of yes, pedicures,which I love, but also really
living a life based on gettingsleep and and good food and all
of those things.
Now you get to do that, andthat is so empowering in a
(20:27):
different way.
Tina (20:28):
Exactly.
And congratulations on yourbook, by the way.
That's I'm sure it's gonna beamazing.
Thank you.
That is that's such a bigthing.
So that is wonderful.
Yes, it really is.
It is.
And it's like as a point of,you know, just taking the time
for yourself because uh hotflashes are real and we all
experience them differently.
And sometimes, you know, I wakeup in the middle of the night
at 3 a.m.
(20:49):
and I can't get back to sleep.
You know, that is real also.
Um, but also then it's like Itake a nap during the day, you
know, or you know, you findother ways like doing some yoga
or walking or breathing or otherways to really uh nurture that
because it's like unfortunatelythat does happen, but finding
ways to cope with it and givingyourself that time and space are
(21:10):
so important.
Mary (21:11):
Yeah.
So talk a little bit about whatchanges you've made, what you
really embrace as part of thisbeing healthy and vibrant at
this age.
Tina (21:21):
Self-care.
I love self-care.
I will talk about that all daylong.
Um, I do a lot of tapping,which is emotional freedom
technique.
I love that.
That has been a game changerbecause um I have horrendous
travel anxiety, believe it ornot.
And then just with thedifferent um changes I've been
going through this year, uh,tapping has been a huge thing.
(21:43):
Learning different breathingtechniques also, like box
breathing has been wonderful.
Um, you know, making sure I'mgetting enough sleep, enough
water.
My nutrition could definitelybe a bit better, I will say.
And I am very aware of that.
Um, I'm not a supplementsperson, but I know I need to
start taking them.
(22:03):
Um, I'm the person I will buythe supplement and it sits on
the shelf.
So I know that's something Ineed to work on.
Just being honest about that.
Um, because we do need to giveourselves different nutrients
and supplements and things likethat, because our bodies do
require different things andwe're not getting them like we
used to.
Um, so but I do try to eathealthy and get movement and
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stretch.
I stretch pretty much every daybecause you know, sometimes you
wake up and you're like, oh, alittle bit.
And rather than focusing onthat, like, because as people
tend to get older, like, oh,this hurts and that hurts, and
oh, I can't move, or you know,and I don't want to focus on
those things.
I want to be like, huh, okay,like this is feeling different
(22:48):
today.
Like I am feeling a littleachier.
This is a little more sore thatit's like, okay, did I have too
much sugar yesterday?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah.
Tina (22:55):
And sometimes that is like a real thing.
Like, I love sweets.
Like, I oh my goodness, youknow, there are so many amazing
desserts in the world.
Um, but it's like sometimes I'mlike, oh, have I been eating
too much sugar because yourjoints just kind of hurt in the
morning some days.
Yeah.
Um, and that's why stretchingalso is so important, just to
get everything moving and fluidand just even putting your legs
(23:16):
up the wall can make a hugedifference.
Mary (23:19):
Yeah, that's one of my favorite positions to lay on
your back and have your buttagainst the wall with your legs
straight up is one of myfavorites.
You made a good point about weneed to keep moving because the
more we move, the less it'sgonna hurt.
And weight training is reallyimportant.
But you also said somethingelse that I really want to
highlight.
(23:39):
You are a traveler, but youhave travel anxiety.
And I think this is the perfectpoint to make that if you have
anxiety, and I don't know manypeople who love going through
security at an airport and allthe things now we have to go
through to just get on a plane,but it's worth doing, right?
Absolutely, absolutely.
Tina (24:00):
It is always worth a journey.
Like I hate the actual act oftraveling, uh-huh, but I love
going to other countries.
I love meeting new people, Ilove learning about new
cultures.
It is something I'm superpassionate about.
So it's worth it to me.
Um, but yeah, it's gettingbetter, I feel like, but I am I
am really surprised because whenI go through security, I'm like
(24:21):
tapping and breathing, and it'slike I look like I'm smuggling
something.
Like I do, I look like thatnervous person.
Um, and you know, and I'm notokay until I'm physically on the
plane.
You know, up until that point,even being at the gate, I'm
like, oh my God, are theychanging the gate?
Like, what's going on?
Like, I am the worst traveler.
I'm also directionallychallenged, I'm technologically
challenged.
So it's like, but it's worth itfor me, you know.
(24:43):
Even um changing countries, Ihad to switch from Colombia to
Mexico.
And the week before, I washaving just mind-numbing
anxiety.
And I'm like, what is going on?
Like, nothing is wrong in mylife.
I know I'm moving countries,but there was just this
mind-crushing anxiety, and I wasjust like, okay, let's just
breathe through this and takethe walk and be out in nature
(25:04):
and just give myself the timeand space to sit and journal and
talk to Chat GPT a little bit,actually.
Yeah.
You know, and just realize thatthings will change.
Yeah.
You know, the next day, thenext afternoon, like later that
day, you can feel completelydifferent.
Mary (25:22):
Well, and recognizing that, that if you have a lot of
anxiety about something, itdoesn't mean you avoid it.
It actually means you go towardit because then you're taking
its power away.
So I think there's also an ideathat when someone listens to
you and the things you've doneand how you love to travel and
you just move to a differentcountry that and it's not where
(25:43):
you grew up, they tend to thinkit's easy and that you just do
it effortlessly.
So I think that's the otherthing that I love, that we can
let people know, yeah, I do allthese things that I love, but
there is effort behind themsometimes, and I do have to deal
with sometimes some anxiety orother things that could be a
(26:03):
barrier.
Tina (26:04):
Absolutely.
And sometimes the simplestthings take the longest or the
most frustrating in othercountry because I am not fluent
in Spanish.
My Spanish is still so bad.
My pronunciation is so bad whenI speak.
People are like, what do yousay?
Um, but I'm really friendly andI use Google Translate um and I
can convey what I need.
You know, and a lot of peopledo speak English around the
(26:25):
world, so that helps me it helpsme, but it doesn't help me
learn the language.
Um, but it's just like youknow, being friendly and and
realizing things are different,you know, and when you go to a
different country, don't expectit to be like where you're from,
right?
Be embracing out that culture,those people.
And I am just in awe ofeverything.
Like I love going with littlecandies and because they're all
(26:48):
like a little different becausethey're locally owned
businesses.
And I just love that aboutdifferent countries, you know.
So it's like embracing thosedifferences and knowing that,
yeah, it can be challenging, butgive yourself some time and
space to have a glass of wateror relax or just connect with
people and just enjoy theexperience of being someplace
(27:08):
else.
Like it's so amazing.
Mary (27:10):
Well, it's also great for your brain because anytime you
do something that's different,even if you drive a different
way home from work or thegrocery store, it is really a
great way to keep your neuralconnections kind of lubricated
and your mind going.
And I think also when you canjust accept that you don't know
(27:32):
what you don't know.
So for instance, I went toCosta Rica and I needed to go to
the post office and buy stamps.
And I do know a little bit ofSpanish, it's not great, but I
just took my translation bookalong so they knew that not that
they wouldn't know by lookingat me that I'm not from there,
but um, I just took it along andpeople are amazingly willing to
(27:54):
help you if you just are honestand say, hey, I'm I'm gonna try
this.
And once you try and you'regonna fail, you're gonna
pronounce things wrong.
The world doesn't end.
When I was in Italy, I tried toorder pizza with basil and I
ordered pizza with a church onit or something like I used
(28:14):
totally the wrong, because Ithink basilica is something like
church.
I don't get it.
Yeah.
So I they kind of looked at meand then we just all laughed
because they knew what I meant.
But I think that feeling ofjust let yourself mess up
because what it actually doesalmost all the time is it
creates a connection becauseyou're sharing laughter and a
(28:36):
smile also goes very far whenyou're in a situation that
you're uncomfortable with.
Tina (28:42):
Absolutely.
And people are just wonderfulall over the world.
I've been to over 10 countriesor so since I started traveling
when I turned 45.
And people are just amazing.
And if you're friendly andgenerous and kind, you're going
to have people that want to helpyou rather than people who are
like, ah, you know, occasionallyI get people who are like, but
it's rare.
(29:02):
Um, I use Google Translate.
You can also use uh Chat GPTfor translation as well.
So it's kind of it's kind ofnice.
Like we're so blessed to havethe technology these days, even
if we don't know how to use it.
Mary (29:13):
Oh yeah.
Well, Google Translate isawesome, and you can even have
it translate a menu, like justit it uses your camera and it
will translate your menu.
So we do have so many things tohelp.
And you're right, I think ifthere's somebody that kind of
turns up their nose, well,they're just a grump.
And then you can move on andyou know go to the next person,
(29:35):
but it's so enriching to do it.
Tina (29:37):
It absolutely is.
And my bit my bigger visionactually is to create co-living
spaces that are international sowomen can travel solo and feel
like they have a community.
Oh, I know that where we canteach each other because by the
time you're 50 or in midlife,like you've learned a lot of
things.
And so I want to create thesecommunities where women can
share what we've learned, kindof like help each other level.
(29:59):
Up um and give of what you knowbecause we've all learned so
many different things.
Women have had amazingbusinesses, careers, uh,
children.
Like we've we've done a lot Iknow.
And I want to create thesebeautiful, like palace-like
places that are luxury and uh,you know, but affordable and so
we can share things.
You know, because I reallythink building each other up and
(30:23):
sharing what we've learned sowe can all change and grow
together, especially at thisstage of life, we'll be
unstoppable.
Mary (30:31):
Totally.
And we have been set up sooften to be in competition.
And I think that's part of thereason why we struggle so much
with our body changes because wewe look at other women and
we're like, wow, how does shelook so good?
Or what's she doing?
And that's the thing, you know,with coloring our hair or, you
know, doing certain thingsfacially, like whatever it is,
(30:54):
there is that competition orthat comparison.
And I think we need to flipthat and we need to start using
the strength of our connectionto you're right, to build each
other up.
Tina (31:05):
Absolutely.
And I really think thatmenopause kind of does that for
women because now there arecelebrities speaking out about
it and their experiences withit.
You know, women you'd neverthink would have problems in
their lives, you know, uh butHalle Berry, Drew Barrymore, you
know, Maria Schreiber, Oprah,like they're all coming out and
saying, hey, this is what'shappened, this is what we've
(31:27):
experienced, and they haveaccess to the best medical teams
on earth.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah.
Tina (31:31):
You know, but being able to share the experiences, I
think it's going to help notonly us as we're going through
it, but women that come after usto not be afraid and to embrace
things and to help each of uslike bring us up instead of you
know nitpicking each other andthat because that's not what we
need to do.
We need to rise together.
Yeah.
Mary (31:50):
Well, and I think somebody like Jamie Lee Curtis, who lets
you see her face as an agingwoman and her energy is so
amazing.
And I think it's starting tohappen more.
So Pamela Anderson, it goes outwithout makeup.
Carrie Russell, who is, she's,I don't even think she's 50 yet,
but she is allowing her face tolook like someone who is
(32:14):
approaching 50.
And we don't need to apologizefor that.
I mean, and in the the umpressure on them in that
industry is so much stronger.
So I really admire when theybasically say, hey, this is me
and this is what I look likenow.
And if it means I'm gonna missout on roles, then that's where
the problem is.
Tina (32:35):
Exactly.
Exactly.
You know, and look at MerylStreet, she's amazing, and she
has done every kind of rolethere is.
Like I just love her.
Yeah.
So I really think that we're sofortunate to be in this time
and age where women are actuallyembracing it and being like,
it's normal, it's okay.
And, you know, we don't deserveto be treated differently.
(32:56):
We deserve to be treated likethe wonderful creatures that we
are.
Mary (32:59):
Yeah, we're one we are wonderful.
And so I'm gonna talk a littleabout your book.
Now I'm I'm gonna I'm gonnaswear people.
Her upcoming book is called 50Fabulous and Fuckable.
And tell us what made youdecide you needed to put
something down in writing inbook form.
Tina (33:18):
The idea came to me, honestly.
I was terrified of turning 50.
I was about 46, 47.
The idea of I I wanted to beempowered and inspired by
turning 50.
I did not want to be terrifiedof it because I had people
around me that were like thatwere 50 or even younger than me,
be like, oh, this person, thathurts and oh, I'm getting so
old, and 50 is so old.
And I was like, wait a minute,I still feel really good.
(33:38):
I don't know what's gonnahappen when I turn 50.
Like, do I die?
Does everything close up?
Like, what happens?
Like, I don't know.
Like, I feel really good rightnow.
Is it gonna change that much ina couple of years?
And so I was terrified.
So I really wanted to not onlyempower and inspire myself, but
then the book idea came to me.
I did not sit down and try tocreate it.
I don't consider myself awriter.
(34:00):
And it's so funny because itcame to me when the title came
to me.
I was like, oh my goodness, canI say that?
Am I allowed to say that?
Like, I don't know.
Like, oh my goodness, like,what are people gonna say?
But it's just such a greattitle.
Like it is, because it keepsanywhere I say that in the
world, people like, ooh, men,women, all ages, they're like, I
(34:20):
want to read that book.
Um, so it's been reallyinteresting people's responses
to the title of the book, andthen also when I tell them what
the book is about, uh, becauseit is based on my own life
experience.
I really wanted to make it forthe readers and not have it be
just all about me.
Um, but it is based oneverything that I have done.
So it's like it's kind of likea how-to, like if I can do this,
(34:41):
you can do this.
Um, but it's it's really like Iwasn't sure about writing a
book that talked about being inyour 50s.
So I'm like, I've never done itbefore.
Like, that is not my area ofexpertise.
Like, we don't we're onlytrained 51.
Yeah, you know, it's not likeplaying basketball or something
that you do and build up askill.
Um, so and it's been reallyinteresting because people are
(35:02):
getting inspired by the thingsthat I've done.
They're really amazed that Ihave been traveling, uh
especially since I started solate in life, and living abroad
and doing these things that I'velost 90 pounds and I was living
on passive income for fiveyears, um, you know, and that I
do go to other countries where Idon't speak the language at
all.
(35:22):
Yeah.
But it's part of that joy ofturning, uh becoming midlife and
being like, if I don't do itnow, when am I going to do it?
Because we are not guaranteedtomorrow.
We are not guaranteed thatwe're going to have a long,
healthy life.
We are not guaranteed we'regoing to be liftful mindy.
And they're really like,there's nothing worse than going
to Europe and seeing peoplegetting around using canes and
(35:44):
walkers and wheelchairs becausethey are not able-bodied enough
to do it.
Because traveling is hard tobegin with.
Like it is, it's challenging.
And I wanted to have thesethese experiences now because if
something does happen to me, Iknow that I've lived a life that
I'm very passionate about andthat I've done the things I
wanted to do.
And I would rather do things toregret them than not do them
(36:07):
and regret not doing them.
You know?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah.
Tina (36:11):
And I think more of us need to live like that because
it's really easy to get boxedinto the nine to five and
thinking you can't do anythingdifferent.
And my life has been veryunconventional.
Um, I've been through a lot,and if I can do these things,
anyone can do them.
And that is really the essenceof my book.
If I can do it, you can do it.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Yeah.
Tina (36:28):
You know, and there's always hope.
Like if I can go through allthe things I've been through in
my life and come out on theother side, then so can you.
Mary (36:36):
Yeah.
And I was gonna say, what wouldbe one key takeaway?
Well, you just said it.
If you can do it, anybody cando it.
And you know, I think that italso shows that we have an idea,
especially when we're young,that we're going to have a life
that's kind of like a ladder,that we climb to the next thing
and the next thing.
Well, I think you've fallen offthe ladder a couple times and
(36:57):
you've had to make your ownladder or go around the ladder.
And when you talk about fiveyears with passive income, we
also are terrified to leave ajob we hate because we're
worried about that money issue.
So I think there's a lot ofthings where you've reinvented
yourself in a sense and yourpath.
And so I think that would be aa pretty inspirational story for
(37:20):
people to hear or to read.
Tina (37:24):
Well, I really appreciate that.
And um and a lot of this likecame from my last car accident.
I was rented by an 89-year-oldlady that was going into
assisted living the next week.
Oh my.
And I was just like, could younot have waited like five
minutes?
So it's really interesting.
It's like, I do wonder whatwould have happened if that
accident had happened because itwas very difficult for me.
(37:46):
And I hung on to the pain andthe anger for a long time, and I
still have issues with that in20 beginning of 2020.
I was like, I have to let go ofthis.
I have to quit being angry.
I have to let my body healbecause I was just angry and in
pain all the time.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah.
Tina (38:03):
And that does not help.
It does not help when you'refighting with an insurance
company and trying to get thingsresolved and they don't believe
you.
Um, so yeah, you have to likesome at some times you just have
to let things go.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah.
Tina (38:15):
And you have to be willing to move forward and realize
that maybe you're not gonna doeverything perfectly because I
definitely haven't done thingsperfectly at all.
And there are things I woulddefinitely do differently.
But live your life, enjoy it,embrace it.
You're only gonna be thisyoung, you're only gonna be as
young as you are right now.
You know, and I know women intheir 70s that are absolutely
(38:35):
amazing.
So I'm like, I want to be likeyou.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Uh-huh.
Tina (38:38):
Like, you're in better shape and healthier than I am.
I want to be like you when Igrow up.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah.
Tina (38:43):
So yeah.
So embrace it, enjoy it, andlive your life.
Oh, I love that.
Mary (38:48):
Well, that's that's a great note to wrap it up on.
So thank you for being here.
Tell us when your book will beavailable and if there's
anything else, like where theycan find you, if there's
anything else you want to share.
Tina (39:00):
Okay, absolutely.
Um, it will be availablethrough uh Amazon.
It's not on there yet, but itwill be on there very soon.
It should be available by theend of this month, which is
November.
Um, and the place to find me,I'm on TikTok and Instagram at
Transform Bake Courageous.
And then I also have like a hubof all the products I have
available.
(39:21):
It's beacons.ai backslashbackslash transform bake
courageous.
So that has like little uheverything on it.
And I do have some freebies onthere.
I do have the seven steps ofself-love on there as well as a
travel guide.
So those are like littlefreebies that everyone can
enjoy.
Um, technology is not my strongpoint, so I'm trying to like do
(39:43):
everything and regroupeverything by myself.
And it's like but yeah.
Mary (39:48):
Okay, great.
And I will put all I will linkall that in the show notes so if
they if people didn't get it,you know, they'll be able to
access it.
Well, thank you, Tina.
This was a this was a funconversation.
Well, thanks so much.
It was so great being on youron your podcast.
I absolutely love it.
Thank you.
And we didn't hear anyfireworks, so and I want to
thank everyone for listening.
(40:08):
Please share this episode withthe friend who is ready to
expand fully into her midlife.
And until next time, go outinto the world and be the
amazing, resilient, vibrantviolet that you are.
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