March 18, 2025 • 39 mins
This week, we investigate a shocking conspiracy theory that might explain why Dasani stands out among the titans of bottled water, with the help of water sommelier Martin Riese and Tap Score CEO Johnny Pujol.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Manny, I'm Noah.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
This is Devon and this is no such thing.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
The show where we settle our dumb arguments and yours
by actually doing the research. On today's episode, why does
the Sonny water taste like that?
Speaker 4 (00:11):
I could not believe that a company like Coca Cola
believes conspiracy theorists. Quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
No, there's no no such thing, no such thing, such thing.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
All right, show of hands, vocally, who here identifies as
a real water drinker.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
I drink a lot. My hands raised, Yeah, my hands raised.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Devin and Noah are water drinkers. I'm look, I'm I've
gotten I'm way better than I used to be. I
used to not drink any water, and now I realize
how insane that is.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
But probably when I first moved to New York, like
twenty fifteen, I would be getting my from like juices
or you know, just was not drinking water by itself.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Oh, I drink a lot of water. If I'm not
drinking water, I'm drinking tea.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
So those are my two drink options.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And usually at the same time.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Yeah, I'll double fist it, you know, I get a
I get a cup of tea. Get a cup of tea,
get a cup of water. I get harassed at the dentist,
you know.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, well they always tell you need the water.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm a coffee guy.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Drink I'm like, okay, I got it. Yeah, I drink
a lot of water.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
And growing up.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Water, No, growing up, it was a little bit different. Okay,
so back in my house, like growing up, we didn't
have like water in the fridge. It was like soda
and juice.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
I feel like middle school, high school we started introducing
bottle of water, but it was still, you know, half
the time, you're still drinking soda or juice. I think
I transitioned to full on water college post college, because
you're just like, it's too damn expensive to be buying
(02:07):
juice and soda. Like I just like, it's you know,
so you get the bread in a refrigerator, yep, and
that's free. Yeah yeah, good outside of the filters. And
then yeah, Now it's funny when my family comes to
visit me, they like bring drinks because they're like, oh,
he's only got freaking water.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I mean, we never had soda in the house really,
so water was basically especially for you know, dinner, meal time,
you're gonna have water with it. Like otherwise it would
be you know, a juice in the morning, that sort
of thing.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
We'd have milk.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Yeah, you were one of those have milk.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
But yeah, I mean for most of what I can
think of is glasses of water.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
These days, I'm way better at drinking water. A few
years ago, actually, when we were all at BI, I
went to the doctor and like something was up and
they were like, you need to drink way more water.
So then I bought on Amazon, like one of those
like sixty four ounce yeah water bottles, and it's got
like the time, like you need to drink this much
by noon, and it just made me feel like a baby.
(03:13):
But yeah, I'm way better today.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, I mean it's definitely exploded in the past few years,
water bottles, that.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Sort of thing. Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
And we both have ours right now.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
But we're not I don't think we're on the extreme
end of it. Like there's people, like you said, there's
those huge ones or like I think there's people who
probably drink too much water, like more than necessary?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Is there too much?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, yeah, babies can't have water. Crazy, But did not
well you know.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Who else didn't know that. My mom didn't know that
because when I told you, she said, well fed more important.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Like what you and even for even for adults, you
can drink too much. All right, let's let's smooth forward
a little bit. Bottled waters. You're going into pharmacy of
your choice, Walgreens, Dwane Reid c CV.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
What are you what are you looking for?
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Number one? So I'm not First of all, I'm not
a spend one hundred dollars on a water bottles, So
I'm not getting any of those vans and all that stuff.
That's that's out of the market for me.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
You're going for the every man.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
I'm going for every man. It's water. What are we
doing here?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Okay, it just needs to taste okay, mm hmmm. I
think the best tasting budget water is poland spring.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yes, I agree, Number one, spring Man.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
All right, finish the reci your ring and then I've
got some questions.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Okay, yeah. Number two. Number two is like, uh, you know,
we could do like a deer Park water solid an aquafina.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I don't think I've ever had deer Park.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
It stands out less branding wise.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
It kind of looks like spring. Yeah. Okay, so that
you know those are like in the middle Deer Park
with some other like mid tier or budget waters.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
There's a crystal geezer.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, that's a lot of them are generic feeling. Yeah, yeah,
there's like another. There's a few others like that.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Is it great geezer or geyser geyser crystal old man,
we can cut that out. I was genuinely curious. I
was like, wait, what We'll see there's a.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Yeah, and then okay, so that's in the middle, and
then there's a very long distance, a very long distance,
and then at the very very bottom it's then yeah, wow,
this sign if I'm getting this SANI, there's no other water.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Event, but I'm going store brand over that. Yes, yes,
I mean yeah, I mean I haven't had the SNI
in years.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
It has to be the only option sometimes when you
go to like a sporting event or something. Oh yeah,
that's the only option, and so you can't do anything
about it. But yeah, yeah, if I have to pick,
it's like I said, poem spring number one, all the
other ones in the middle, number two, and then very
worst case scenario, worst case scenario I'm getting.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I mean, I I've even had I've gone to a
vending machine. See it's only dashani, and I'm just like,
I'll get a soda, yeah, wow, something else, you know,
a sporting event, like you know, I was gonna be good.
I was gonna you know, not drink. But they're forcing
me to buy an eighteen dollars beer now.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Is because the only offering is soon now.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
They're making me an alcoholic.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
And it's their fall.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Sni is the reason why my dad never came back.
So I've heard this so much that people hate Dasani.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Part of me is like I can I can easily
imagine that these waters have different tastes. I do wonder
where the hell is the like the hate like like
Sani is like disgusting or like.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Yeah, it don't taste good to me.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
And this is like the fact that it stands out.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I kind of privately or personally came to this, yes,
and then I found out other people feel this way,
so that proves to me it's real and not just like, oh,
I didn't just see something like someone said, oh, Desny's
like cheap water or taste bad. And then I was influenced, which,
of course I can get influence by things, but no,
like I decided on my own, I don't like the
sony and then other people like Devin and the world.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yes, yeah, And I guess it's fair too because you
guys grew up as water drinkers.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yes, as I'm maybe not.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Exactly you know you ready, Yeah, you know, conversation happening
about I'm to the differences. Yeah, It's just always been
a thing for me where I'm like this, yeah, it
tastes off, And like Noah was saying, I've been thinking
about this since I was a kid when I couldn't
you know, It's not like when you're a kid somebody
hands you water. It's like water is water. You're not like, oh,
(07:47):
this water tastes Yeah. I was just like, why is
this water tastes weird?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
And it's not refreshing the same way.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
No, when I drink water, I wanted to be refreshing
and I don't really want to notice it.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
For whatever reason, Desianni just never felt as thirst quenching
the same way. Yeah, so it wasn't you know, in
my mind, it's just not as satisfying to drink. So
it's like I should just get juice or something else.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I know, you ranked them already, but I'm so fascinated
by Like, all right, can you describe the difference between
Aquafina and Poland Spring.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
M I think Poland Spring to me is the most refreshing,
Like I just have you know, when I think of
a Poland Spring, it's like a cold bottle of water
and a fridge. It's summer, you coming inside, and I
don't even think about when they change the water bottles.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That was that was huge, So that's something.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, the water bottle shape is interesting because it's it's dumb.
Obviously that that impacts how we taste it. But yeah,
it's true because Desani has the thin, narrow bottle, which
is kind of cool, Like I have to give respect
to what they're trying to do something different there.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
It's like a sexy bottle.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yeah, slim, slim, thick sort of thing. Yeah, but it
I think maybe because that it's almost like then my
expectations are too high and I'm disappointed because here's a sleek, cool,
modern bottle. And yeah, the taste is yeah, it's not
ancient tasting and not a good way.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Yeah, because Poland Spring, well remember when they started using
less plastic.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
What about now? The caps are smaller. Yeah, they used
to have something that pisses me off.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
You used to have some weight to them. You pick
up a bottle of water, squeeze it a little bit
and it wouldn't give now you knowing.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yeah, you drink some water that's barely there.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
It's like, what is this?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, can hold it in? Yeah, I got it.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
So it's Poland Spring, I think one say the name
Poland Spring, yes, spring, Yes, this is real natural water
it Yeah, beautiful artwork.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
I'm from.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I'm from New England, so you know, it kind of
takes me back. It's like, oh, yeah, this this tastes
like home to me. Yeah, you know, this is where
I'm from. So we're not alone on the dasagny thing.
As I said before, But this was new to me
when I started looking into this for the episode, because,
like I said, I haven't had a design years. I
swore off it and I knew that wasn't for me,
So I was like, I'm not checking out for any
(10:04):
updates on Thesani. But there's a lot of theories running
around about why the SONI stands out taste wise. The
main one is that the Coca Cola company adds salt
like basic table salt to make people thirsty or so
then they have to buy more to Sani.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
No way, come on, Yeah, we.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Got the Soni.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Now that Sony has magnesium sulfate and potassium chloride, But
that's not even the worst part, because the Sani also
has salt as design to.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Make your mouth dry.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
And this is why every fast food restaurant sells to Sony,
because if your mouth gets dry, you're just gonna buy
another one, which makes the Sani in that restaurant more money.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Y'all stay conscious?
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Who is that from info Wars.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
It's like kind of a prevailed that's kind of the
prevailing theory on write it and TikTok And but then
why would you.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
That works against it though, because then you're you're a
whole it's a bad product. Yeah, if that's the whole
thing that you're doing, then you're saying that people are
going to drink my product, not be satisfied by my product,
and hopefully buy more of my.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Product, especially when it's like waters in most cases there's options.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yes, why would you make it so that, like if
there was a water monopoly, I could.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
See, yes, exactly right, Yeah, But did you guys know
that last year in twenty twenty four, Coca Cola to
Sony's parent company, changed to the Sony formula. So do
SONI today is different than what we used to have.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
This is exactly what I'm talking about. And this is
going back to the earlier point. This is the biggest
difference between the Sani. I would say Aquafina is in
this camp as well and the other waters. If you
told me Poland spring had a formula, I smack you
in your face. What you means a formula. This is
a spring, this comes from This is God's work. What
(11:43):
are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
That is a good question. What is a water formula?
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Formula?
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Right?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
But they're just like preserved Sani and Aquafina.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
They both have a like y'all did something in the
lab to this. I don't think it's so, but it
tastes like a soda company made water.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
All right. Well, I'm not a water expert. I'm simply
a fan. So after the break, we're gonna find out.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I'm gonna talk to some water experts, all.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Right, and we're back.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
So I spoke to two water experts to get some
intel on the Desni problem.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
My name is Johnny.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
Johnny Poujol started a company called tap Score about a
little less than ten years ago, and we decided we
wanted to make it really easy for people to test
their drinking water at home.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Johnny describes his company tap Score as the twenty three
and meters of drinking water. So obviously their focus isn't
on bottled water. It's more like you know your tap
and water health and safety in that way.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
And here's my second expert.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Hello, my name is Martin Reason. I'm your personal water somebody. Yes,
I drink water professionally, and I like to hydrate people
and bring water effects to people and like to debunk
a lot of water mysteries.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
So that's Marian and the s is a water samelier.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I wasn't expecting that accent. That's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
So I asked these gentlemen to lay out what factors
impact water taste, and as you can guess, it's a
lot of different things.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
When you look at water quality and the taste and smells,
it's broken down into things like salts and minerals. Dissolved
gases like CO two obviously has a big influence, but
oxygen can have an influence. You've got organic properties of
the water or carbon hydrogen bonds in the water. Pulvic
acids and humic acids are a major component there. You
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really shouldn't have a lot of microbial tastes and odors
in bobbled water, but it does happen, especially with untreated waters.
And then you have maybe the most kind of ubiquitously
known and perhaps most notorious concerns like metals, iron, arsenic, copper, zinc, aluminum.
These can all impart significant flavor to the water, whether
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they are present as salts or in some other format,
they're gonna have usually kind of metallic or various tastes.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
And then you got things like more general properties like
TVs and pH.
Speaker 7 (14:12):
Anyway, long story short, there's like different components to both
the smell and taste wheel of bottled water, bloss of utility.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Water, drinking water, well water in general, and drilling down
into just bottled water.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
So not all bottled water are created equally one water brands.
They're coming from other nature like spring waters and mineral waters.
That means these waters getting their unique taste profiled due
to nature. Was water's universal solvent, it will pour minerality
out of the soil layers. On the other hand, you
have water brands when it's called purified water or distilled
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water vapor distilled waters. These are water brands to most
of the times coming from our taps. They're using the
tap water as a base, filtering everything out and then
adding back some minerals whatever the formulation is what they
thought in a lap will be tasting good. So yes,
these waters as well have minerals dissolved, but by mankind
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designed versus spring waters natures designed. That's a big two differences.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Devon's making a very concerned and confused face. Let me
simplify that a little bit and kind of reiterate. So
there's basically two kind of groups we can break these into.
So there's like spring in mineral waters, where the bottlers
take the water from a natural spring or other source
and basically just filter out enough to clean the water
to make sure there's not any you know, bacteria or
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other dir other things in there, but keep all the
natural minerals that sort of thing. And on the other hand,
there's purified waters where they distill everything this water probably
comes from a tap in their lab, strip everything out
so there's nothing in it and then add stuff back in.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
To build that flavor profile.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
So what you guys were saying earlier before the break,
we're talking about formulas. There are formulas, and they're trying
to build taste. Because if you just had distilled water,
which they say well for you know things, but we
don't really drink it, would I don't think it would
like linger in your mouth at all and probably wouldn't
be very thirst quenching.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Mm Okay, I do see this thing like half the
products I use at home, like you should put the
you should use to steal the water with. Yeah, I'm like,
I'm just gonna put the water from the tap. It's
crazy to me to think about. I guess this makes sense,
but like I'm buying bottled water, which is you're taking
water from the tap and then putting it in a
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bottle and then selling it to me. It makes sense.
It's just weird to think of, like you know, Coca
Cola being like turn on the tap and the same
water we're getting in our houses. They're like stuff and
then adding some stuff to it. Yeah, I just assume
they all got it from some sort of water source
and then their treatment was different of it.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought too. So some examples
eavy on Fiji and our goat pull and spring. Those
are the former, so those are natural spring mineral waters,
and then aquafine assentia and of course DESIGNI.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
They're the latter. So those are you know, lab design.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
They're starting basically, you're starting at the top or you're
starting at the bottom and then finding your middle ground somewhere.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I'm kind of surprised by the fact that these companies
are taking not just taking tap water, but purifying it
and then trying to make it taste like anything specific,
trying to design the tastes. That's kind of mind belonged
to me.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Yeah, imagine being a water taste tester.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
You know, some people can't even tell the difference between
coke and PEPSI. Now, these people in the labs are
changing like the tiniest Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Know, crazy.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Before we get into kind of more about taste and flavor,
I'm to zoom out a bit. Humans aren't the best tasters,
and our taste receptors are changing all the time.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Like long term, it's like why.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Kids like sweets and then as you grow up you
develop more of a taste for different flavor is like
you might like vegetables now that you didn't before.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Throw back to our recent episode on picky eating.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yeah, and even like on a short term timeline, Martin said,
like every ten days, our taste receptors are new. But
then also I think things like what you ate today
is going to impact how you things taste to you,
like water other things, especially because water is taking, pulling
everything and then breaking it up is how these guys
describe it.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Just to kind of reiterate your guys's thoughts that I've
that I didn't understand at the beginning of this episode,
there are discernible distinguishable tastes from bottle to bottle, from
brand to brand.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yeah, I think, so we'll do a taste test later
with different types. But yeah, I think I think it
is the sort of thing where there's enough of a
difference where not dramatically, and I don't think most people
are gonna have very strong reactions except for maybe something
like a desagni yes, right, but I think that's also
like you get used to it. So actually, this next
bit I want to play for Martin kind of goes
into that a little bit, talking about difference between taste
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and flavor.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
So first of all, we don't have the golden palette
because it's changing all the time. Second, taste and flavor.
Taste is what I just told you, what I can
actually taste. But we do hear this all the time.
Oh I love this red wine. The strawberry raspberry liquish effects. Yeah,
there's no strawberry or raspbery in bed. That's the flavor
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of a wine. The flavor is connected with my nose,
and we all know when I'm sick and my nose
is completely filled up, I cannot taste anything. So I
need my smell component as well to actually get the
flavor out of beverage. And then another thing happened to flavor.
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If you're sitting in a beautiful restaurant with your friends,
you just met a beautiful new partner, you just won
the lottery a million dollars. You're drinking this amazing wine.
You sink one. That's the best wine I ever tasted.
Two years later, you're in the rain in Brooklyn, your
your your partner you met for two years ago, told
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the two million dollars you won as well with them.
You're on the street. You just lost your apartment, you're
by yourself, but you find the same water, the same
wine supply in a grocery store. You drink this out
of a paper cup, it will it will be one
of the worst wines you ever tasted. It's the same wine.
So flavor is the surrounding even where we are. And
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that's the reason a lot of times tap water will
win against bottled water. This has nothing to do with quality.
This is just because you grew up on that particular
tap water. Your brain tells you that is the taste
of water, because this is how I grew up. This
was the best taste what I always had as water.
It might be from a quality standpoint, super bad, we
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still think it's amazing. So this whole taste testing, blind
tasting waters, it's, in my opinion, all you know what,
it's all playing games.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Basic ideas that taste is like the constant, but flavor
depends on what's going on.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Also the way it intersects with smell too, and other factors.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
So, which is interesting because most water does smell like anything.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah so but yeah, so like if you're smelling something
else around it, I guess or you know, or like
I think this is where something like the metal can
versus like he says, a paper cup versus glass. Yeah,
or factor.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
If I just got done playing soccer, you know whatever
water I drink is going to be incredible because I
neat my body, Yeah, versus the same water the next day,
maybe it won't be as good.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
All right, So I didn't want to waste these guys time.
These are important water experts.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
I think I'll get back to talking about water so much.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
So I had to know why Desndy got such a
bad rap.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Hmm, I said, straight up, just tell me, do they
really add salt to their water?
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
And the short.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Answer is yes.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Oh, but it's not so simple.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Yeah, there's a lot of misconception on salt because we're
all comfortable familiar with using sodium table salt, right, But
you can have salts of all different types. You can
have potassium salts and they'll taste different than sodium salt's
table salt, and so it will still have many the
same properties of a salt. It's rapid dissociation, but it
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will taste differently. So when we talk about salts, we should,
in any better world, all be somehow you know, remember
chemistry one oh one. And we would remember that there's
different types of salt, and the type of salt matters
to the taste. But you know, understandably got other priorities.
When we talk about salts, we usually just say salt,
but yeah, there's many different types of salts and they
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have different flavors.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
And now let's come to the fact that minerals are
salts and salts are electrolytes. So somehow, and I don't
know why people getting a little confused about that, because
the same people who are hating Dazani, well they're adding
the salt to make your thirst year will buy smart Water, Well,
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they're adding electro lights. Sodium is an electro light. That
is what it's in Dazagni. The TTS that means total
the soft sort of the overall millicomposition is even the
same by Doazanni and smart Water. There's barely anything in
there because the TTS of smart Water is twenty eight
(23:26):
and the last time I checked Doazanni is twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
So it's like the conspiracy theorists were right, like on accident.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah, they're right in the sense that Thesani did have
what we would call table saw in their formula, but
that wasn't unusual.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
It's funny the idea of conspiracy theorists being right on accident,
like if you thought, if you thought like the CIA
killed JFK. But it turns out it was like a
guy named like Chris Ian Alexander Year.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
After all of these salt theories and backlash, Desani did
change their formula, like I said, and their label now
proudly says now without salt asterisk as the old version
did have. You could look at the ingredients and it said,
you know, it's all these everythings and it had salt
on it.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
That is the funniest, like corporate ready to say something
now without salt ash.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
So then mariin the water some of the a he
has some critiques of this new DESIGNI.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
What I think my theory is actually the wrong way.
It's the other way around. They need to add more
salt to make the water actually tastey good. It's the
same like you cook in your soup. No salt in
your soup not good taste. Too much salt not good taste.
You need to find a sweet spot. So the Dazagni
(24:48):
problem is what everybody thinking they're getting thirstier for this
dry mouth field. So you drink Dazani and you have
this dry mouthfield on your palate, and you think, like
that's weird. I just drunk water. They should not be
a dry mouth field. That actually happens to all waters
when they're very low in minerality white, because again water
(25:09):
is universe, is solvent. There's barely any minerals. As often
that water, it will find minerals in your sliver, it
will pull off from your sliver or all these minerals,
and now you have this dry mouthfeel afterwards. So I
can fix Dazani for Warracola happy when they're reaching out
to me. I can actually fix it to make it
very good tasting. But they choose, as a billion dollar
(25:32):
company to go the reddid way to listen to conspiracy
theorists that they're adding salt to make it the water
people thirst year. What is actually the opposite? That is
a crazy path, that is an insane pub. When I
saw the new DESIGNI I could not believe that a
(25:52):
company like Covra Cola believes conspiracy theorists quite interesting.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
So he thinks the Sanni is even worse now with
the new formula. He told me he reached out to
Coca Cola to discuss the new formula, but they said
it's a trade secret.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
They told me it's a secret. It's like a secret.
A recipe in water is a secret. Dazani is as
like it's like short Knox, I need to like, really,
you're not allowed to be on the same plane. Who
knows the formulation of darzani? Really that's not a flex.
I'm sorry, I was laughing. I was like, I cannot
(26:31):
believe you guys telling me this. I like, this is
this is completely insane. Light Now like everybody with like
a with's like an easy like an easy let can
figure out immediately what's in there. I figured out by
myself with that five dollars divide how much TDS that
water has. So to tell me it's a recipe secret,
completely nonsense, to.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Be honest, that is it is hilarious concept of like who,
like what would I do if I did know the
recipe with you?
Speaker 3 (27:02):
So luckily for us, Johnny's company, tap Score ran an
analysis of the new Desaanni and here's what they found.
So compared to the old version, the pH chloride and
potassium levels went up, while the sodium went down. So
while they did add salt with the potassium, which is
also an electrolyte, they cut the sodium to fix the
table saw issue from the conspiracy theorists, and higher pH
(27:25):
levels may also make for a smoother taste. That's basically
where we're at now.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
So Martin's criticism is like, hey, you guys are letting
the you know, the Reddit public perception of your brand
dictate what you're doing with your formula versus just trying
to make the thing taste as good as possible. In
being like, Reddit's not going to decide what this thing
tastes like.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah, that seems to be his main contention, where it's like,
the issue isn't that there's salt in the water, It's
about finding the right balance with other flavors or other
factors that can make it make it taste better.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
I agree, but I also disagree. I think part of
the issue is that it's a little too late that
the SNY is trying to do something, so everyone has
a preconceived notion of like the SANI sucks, so like
they need to change something. And if we think it's
you know, where our mouths are dry, If we think
it has less salt, then maybe that's better, even if
that's not actually the case.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
The issue now is just, yeah, there's just a public
perception of them, and they're just gonna do whatever they
need to change the public perception, even if that's not
actually making it taste better.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, because like I mean, like I said, I haven't
touched with Sonny in years. I didn't know about this
formula change, and in my head it wasn't a saltiness.
Though maybe if I had done a real close tasting
of it, I would have thought that. So then if
I had that on my head and I saw the
new thing that says no slaw added asterisk, yeah, maybe
I'd give it a shot.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Yeah, I'm thinking as a marketing guy, if I had
to signal to somebody that this water is different, you
have to put new formula on a bottle of water,
because then you're like, what form Yeah right, it's like
we took out the salt. That's one thing, but like
new formula.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah, a lot of new questions for people who don't
know about these things.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
So basically, Desagny made changes to its formula to address
a specific complaint by consumers, but the consumers didn't understand
why it tasted weird to them. So they basically made
a big change to appease people. But the change doesn't
it's not science bad, make it better.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, they just did it, which.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Seems to be a recurring issue. And you know in
this podcast is people responding to critics, but not not
ye listening to science.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
So to sum up, the Sauni did indeed add salt
to their water. But this isn't unusual. It wasn't a
conspiracy to get you to buy more water. Yeah, and
they still add salt, just different salts.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
All of that said, Martin thinks Coca Cola made this
formula change in part to fight back against those allegations.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
And to be fair, we don't know if that's the case. Yeah,
we don't know, speculating So that's that's.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
The basic answers, the basic question of why do Saanny
tastes different than other waters? Yeah, but now I think
we need to do a little tastest ourselves and see
if we notice anything. So after the break, let's do
a little blind taste test to see how Desni fares.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I'm Manny, I'm Noah, and it's time for a taste
test for a test. We're going to taste three waters
of various TDS levels.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
TDS stands for total dissolved solids.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
This measures the dissolved.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Combined content of inorganic and organic substances in a liquid.
This includes things like calcium, phosphates, sodium, potassium chloride, and more.
TDS is measured in parts per million. We're going to
compare distilled water, which of course has absolutely nothing in it,
so that's totally stripped down, should taste like pure nothing.
Number two designy so that's a purified water with a
(30:57):
measure TDS total dissolved sidellids around twenty five. And number
three is evy on, which is a natural spring water,
and that has a TDS of three p forty, so
we should be able to taste the stuff going on
in there, so the natural minerals that sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
And then just to clarify, the stale water has a
TDS of zero. Yes, that's the most pure exactly.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Okay, yeah, okay, So we'll see how sensitive our palates
are to see if we can guess which ones which for.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
The audience, we do not know which is which will
be revealed.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
By fance rebottled these waters into other bottles labeled them
and gave me our key that I'll be revealing afterwards. Okay,
don't know this either, So let's start with a and
per our experts instructions, we're going to have the stuff
at room temperature, since ice or colder temperatures can number
senses a bit.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Oh so we want the real flavor.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Gosh, and we're drinking out of wineglasses, so you know
the water can open up and you know, really breathe
a little bit crazy.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Okay, so this is a cheers following cheers cheers.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Okay, I mean it tastes like water.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I'm not getting a lot.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Of flavor in the no.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
I feel like this is distilled.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I know, first I don't know, but then I'm I'm
kind of like in there, maybe I might think this
is the san I mean, I'm looking for like salt, now.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
You know what this is?
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Trying to think how long it's lingering in my mouth?
I think it's I'll say it's it's not bad. I'm
not loving it, though, I feel like the distilled is
gonna be a'm I'm looking.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I don't like this. I'm looking for, you know, for
my own preference. I have like a crispi er fresher.
You know, I want less taste based on how you
guys hate Dashani. I think this is the SON.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
I think it's that's my guess.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I know. I think I'll go to SONI too.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Okay, all right, so.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
We're gonna move on to B.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
All right, a little less funky.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
To me, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Getting much from any.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Maybe this is distilled.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
I think this may be distilled.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I think I'm not tasting anything, and it feels like
it's disappearing really fast. Yeah, I think, But it's not
so far off from the A.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
So that's why I think B is distilled.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I think now it's like better be crazy. I guess
we get.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
But this feels like distilled.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
To me. This had less taste than the previous one.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Yeah, and my mouth feels less different. Yeah, exactly, Like it.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Feels like as soon as I swallow, it's gone, it's.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Gone bottle boom. So all right, B we think is distilled.
All right, now we're having C.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
All right, you're C Yeah, mmm mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Is this one like creamier almost?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I think I think this. I think we got it right.
I think it's evy on.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
You know what this is crazy because I don't really
have AVI on so this.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Is I don't really know. And the natural spring, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
I think this is because there's nothing I've tasted before.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
So high t d s to me would mean that
it was it has more of a taste.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah, this is like you go to a beautiful spring.
An opening in the in the woods is the waterfall.
It's good, go down, put your put your hands, and
then drink out of it.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
All right, should I read?
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Yeah, let's go to the key.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
All right, let me over the key.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
It's like the Oscar this movement.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
All right.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Yeah, yeah, that was B distilled. And see.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
And I'm saying A is the saani, B is avion,
and C is distilled.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Alright, folks, the answer.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Devin and I are right, yeah, damn mean to me,
the third one tastes the cleanest to me.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Yes, it tastes the cleanest because it's the most naked.
Its natural.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
That's how you should be drinking water.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
In my opinion, that's the most refreshing.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
I thought distilled more clean tasting than that.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
No, because it's not. It's not more we're used to drinking.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yeah. Yeah, but it's funny too because It's like Evan
does market itself as like this luxury thing, and it's
like here we are loving it.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
The purpose of this is can we tell the difference
between the water and you can? Yeah? Yeah, I'm actually.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Surprised, honestly that I that we we all have the
real tell the difference the real heads.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I feel like we know if a Desaani lawyer is
listening to this, I actually quite liked.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
It, and listen, We're open to any sponsorships. Hey, Coke,
I would love Poland Spring sponsorship, but I'm I'm ready
to convert.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
It's probably more money in the coke world.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Yeah, I don't know, it's definitely most likely we do
end up with a Coke sponsorship. And you're probably gonna
make us delete this episode. Oh yeah, okay, So now
that we did the taste test, have either you've been
converted to sony.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Converted to.
Speaker 7 (36:09):
No.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
In fact, you know I I at the beginning of this,
I started as like, how can you.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Hate and get your agnostic?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
And I don't hate it, but I did notice like, Okay,
that's tastes so much different than the other ones, and
I can easily see how someone would not.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
Like that, and It's funny that you know, we picked
up on that before even you know, Noah told us
all this information. It's just like the Sani felt like
it was trying to be someone that is not you know,
like I would rather designy almost just be distilled water,
just like, don't add anything to it, just be straight
up because you're not spring, but you're trying to trick
(36:47):
me a little bit into being spring. Sure, you're in
this weird in between. It just makes me feel great
about my choices in life. It makes me feel validated. Yeah,
I feel validated, you know, I because I am somebody
similar to you know. If I go and I don't
see the type of water that I want, I just
get something else, and so I will continue formula. Apologies
(37:13):
to the signing, but it's not for me. I'm sticking
with my Poland springs. Maybe I'll even get you know,
it's my first time have an ammon in quite some time. Yeah,
maybe I'm a Maybe I have a couple more dollars,
you know, make a while, Yeah, and you get a
little more expensive one.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Now that I know the process stuff, I think I'll
probably try to buy a spring water just because I
know I like that already, I'll say, though the designy
wasn't as bad, So I don't know if it's because
the formula change or or just the setting room. So
I can't say I would never buy a DESAGNI like
I think maybe if I'm in a situation where I'm thirsty,
I need the water, and I go to the venue
(37:48):
machine and it's only Dasani, I'll say this, I'll give
it a shot. I'm not going to prioritize the sony
or any kind of purified one, to be honest, like,
I like the spring.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I like the idea of this.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
I like to taste spring or dot.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Spring, spring or die. All right, thanks for listening to
no such thing.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
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Speaker 2 (38:15):
Theme music is by Manny.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
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Speaker 2 (38:22):
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Speaker 2 (38:47):
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Speaker 1 (39:00):
Att
I'm Manny, I'm Noah.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
This is Devon and this is no such thing.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
The show where we settle our dumb arguments and yours
by actually doing the research. On today's episode, why does
the Sonny water taste like that?
Speaker 4 (00:11):
I could not believe that a company like Coca Cola
believes conspiracy theorists. Quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
No, there's no no such thing, no such thing, such thing.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
All right, show of hands, vocally, who here identifies as
a real water drinker.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
I drink a lot. My hands raised, Yeah, my hands raised.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Devin and Noah are water drinkers. I'm look, I'm I've
gotten I'm way better than I used to be. I
used to not drink any water, and now I realize
how insane that is.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
But probably when I first moved to New York, like
twenty fifteen, I would be getting my from like juices
or you know, just was not drinking water by itself.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Oh, I drink a lot of water. If I'm not
drinking water, I'm drinking tea.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
So those are my two drink options.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And usually at the same time.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Yeah, I'll double fist it, you know, I get a
I get a cup of tea. Get a cup of tea,
get a cup of water. I get harassed at the dentist,
you know.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, well they always tell you need the water.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm a coffee guy.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Drink I'm like, okay, I got it. Yeah, I drink
a lot of water.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
And growing up.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Water, No, growing up, it was a little bit different. Okay,
so back in my house, like growing up, we didn't
have like water in the fridge. It was like soda
and juice.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
I feel like middle school, high school we started introducing
bottle of water, but it was still, you know, half
the time, you're still drinking soda or juice. I think
I transitioned to full on water college post college, because
you're just like, it's too damn expensive to be buying
(02:07):
juice and soda. Like I just like, it's you know,
so you get the bread in a refrigerator, yep, and
that's free. Yeah yeah, good outside of the filters. And
then yeah, Now it's funny when my family comes to
visit me, they like bring drinks because they're like, oh,
he's only got freaking water.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I mean, we never had soda in the house really,
so water was basically especially for you know, dinner, meal time,
you're gonna have water with it. Like otherwise it would
be you know, a juice in the morning, that sort
of thing.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
We'd have milk.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Yeah, you were one of those have milk.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
But yeah, I mean for most of what I can
think of is glasses of water.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
These days, I'm way better at drinking water. A few
years ago, actually, when we were all at BI, I
went to the doctor and like something was up and
they were like, you need to drink way more water.
So then I bought on Amazon, like one of those
like sixty four ounce yeah water bottles, and it's got
like the time, like you need to drink this much
by noon, and it just made me feel like a baby.
(03:13):
But yeah, I'm way better today.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, I mean it's definitely exploded in the past few years,
water bottles, that.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Sort of thing. Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
And we both have ours right now.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
But we're not I don't think we're on the extreme
end of it. Like there's people, like you said, there's
those huge ones or like I think there's people who
probably drink too much water, like more than necessary?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Is there too much?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, yeah, babies can't have water. Crazy, But did not
well you know.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Who else didn't know that. My mom didn't know that
because when I told you, she said, well fed more important.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Like what you and even for even for adults, you
can drink too much. All right, let's let's smooth forward
a little bit. Bottled waters. You're going into pharmacy of
your choice, Walgreens, Dwane Reid c CV.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
What are you what are you looking for?
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Number one? So I'm not First of all, I'm not
a spend one hundred dollars on a water bottles, So
I'm not getting any of those vans and all that stuff.
That's that's out of the market for me.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
You're going for the every man.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
I'm going for every man. It's water. What are we
doing here?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Okay, it just needs to taste okay, mm hmmm. I
think the best tasting budget water is poland spring.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yes, I agree, Number one, spring Man.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
All right, finish the reci your ring and then I've
got some questions.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Okay, yeah. Number two. Number two is like, uh, you know,
we could do like a deer Park water solid an aquafina.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I don't think I've ever had deer Park.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
It stands out less branding wise.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
It kind of looks like spring. Yeah. Okay, so that
you know those are like in the middle Deer Park
with some other like mid tier or budget waters.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
There's a crystal geezer.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, that's a lot of them are generic feeling. Yeah, yeah,
there's like another. There's a few others like that.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Is it great geezer or geyser geyser crystal old man,
we can cut that out. I was genuinely curious. I
was like, wait, what We'll see there's a.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Yeah, and then okay, so that's in the middle, and
then there's a very long distance, a very long distance,
and then at the very very bottom it's then yeah, wow,
this sign if I'm getting this SANI, there's no other water.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Event, but I'm going store brand over that. Yes, yes,
I mean yeah, I mean I haven't had the SNI
in years.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
It has to be the only option sometimes when you
go to like a sporting event or something. Oh yeah,
that's the only option, and so you can't do anything
about it. But yeah, yeah, if I have to pick,
it's like I said, poem spring number one, all the
other ones in the middle, number two, and then very
worst case scenario, worst case scenario I'm getting.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I mean, I I've even had I've gone to a
vending machine. See it's only dashani, and I'm just like,
I'll get a soda, yeah, wow, something else, you know,
a sporting event, like you know, I was gonna be good.
I was gonna you know, not drink. But they're forcing
me to buy an eighteen dollars beer now.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Is because the only offering is soon now.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
They're making me an alcoholic.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
And it's their fall.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Sni is the reason why my dad never came back.
So I've heard this so much that people hate Dasani.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Part of me is like I can I can easily
imagine that these waters have different tastes. I do wonder
where the hell is the like the hate like like
Sani is like disgusting or like.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Yeah, it don't taste good to me.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
And this is like the fact that it stands out.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I kind of privately or personally came to this, yes,
and then I found out other people feel this way,
so that proves to me it's real and not just like, oh,
I didn't just see something like someone said, oh, Desny's
like cheap water or taste bad. And then I was influenced, which,
of course I can get influence by things, but no,
like I decided on my own, I don't like the
sony and then other people like Devin and the world.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yes, yeah, And I guess it's fair too because you
guys grew up as water drinkers.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yes, as I'm maybe not.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Exactly you know you ready, Yeah, you know, conversation happening
about I'm to the differences. Yeah, It's just always been
a thing for me where I'm like this, yeah, it
tastes off, And like Noah was saying, I've been thinking
about this since I was a kid when I couldn't
you know, It's not like when you're a kid somebody
hands you water. It's like water is water. You're not like, oh,
(07:47):
this water tastes Yeah. I was just like, why is
this water tastes weird?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
And it's not refreshing the same way.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
No, when I drink water, I wanted to be refreshing
and I don't really want to notice it.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
For whatever reason, Desianni just never felt as thirst quenching
the same way. Yeah, so it wasn't you know, in
my mind, it's just not as satisfying to drink. So
it's like I should just get juice or something else.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I know, you ranked them already, but I'm so fascinated
by Like, all right, can you describe the difference between
Aquafina and Poland Spring.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
M I think Poland Spring to me is the most refreshing,
Like I just have you know, when I think of
a Poland Spring, it's like a cold bottle of water
and a fridge. It's summer, you coming inside, and I
don't even think about when they change the water bottles.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
That was that was huge, So that's something.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, the water bottle shape is interesting because it's it's dumb.
Obviously that that impacts how we taste it. But yeah,
it's true because Desani has the thin, narrow bottle, which
is kind of cool, Like I have to give respect
to what they're trying to do something different there.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
It's like a sexy bottle.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yeah, slim, slim, thick sort of thing. Yeah, but it
I think maybe because that it's almost like then my
expectations are too high and I'm disappointed because here's a sleek, cool,
modern bottle. And yeah, the taste is yeah, it's not
ancient tasting and not a good way.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Yeah, because Poland Spring, well remember when they started using
less plastic.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
What about now? The caps are smaller. Yeah, they used
to have something that pisses me off.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
You used to have some weight to them. You pick
up a bottle of water, squeeze it a little bit
and it wouldn't give now you knowing.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yeah, you drink some water that's barely there.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
It's like, what is this?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, can hold it in? Yeah, I got it.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
So it's Poland Spring, I think one say the name
Poland Spring, yes, spring, Yes, this is real natural water
it Yeah, beautiful artwork.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
I'm from.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I'm from New England, so you know, it kind of
takes me back. It's like, oh, yeah, this this tastes
like home to me. Yeah, you know, this is where
I'm from. So we're not alone on the dasagny thing.
As I said before, But this was new to me
when I started looking into this for the episode, because,
like I said, I haven't had a design years. I
swore off it and I knew that wasn't for me,
So I was like, I'm not checking out for any
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updates on Thesani. But there's a lot of theories running
around about why the SONI stands out taste wise. The
main one is that the Coca Cola company adds salt
like basic table salt to make people thirsty or so
then they have to buy more to Sani.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
No way, come on, Yeah, we.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Got the Soni.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Now that Sony has magnesium sulfate and potassium chloride, But
that's not even the worst part, because the Sani also
has salt as design to.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Make your mouth dry.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
And this is why every fast food restaurant sells to Sony,
because if your mouth gets dry, you're just gonna buy
another one, which makes the Sani in that restaurant more money.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Y'all stay conscious?
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Who is that from info Wars.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
It's like kind of a prevailed that's kind of the
prevailing theory on write it and TikTok And but then
why would you.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
That works against it though, because then you're you're a
whole it's a bad product. Yeah, if that's the whole
thing that you're doing, then you're saying that people are
going to drink my product, not be satisfied by my product,
and hopefully buy more of my.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Product, especially when it's like waters in most cases there's options.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yes, why would you make it so that, like if
there was a water monopoly, I could.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
See, yes, exactly right, Yeah, But did you guys know
that last year in twenty twenty four, Coca Cola to
Sony's parent company, changed to the Sony formula. So do
SONI today is different than what we used to have.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
This is exactly what I'm talking about. And this is
going back to the earlier point. This is the biggest
difference between the Sani. I would say Aquafina is in
this camp as well and the other waters. If you
told me Poland spring had a formula, I smack you
in your face. What you means a formula. This is
a spring, this comes from This is God's work. What
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are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
That is a good question. What is a water formula?
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Formula?
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Right?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
But they're just like preserved Sani and Aquafina.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
They both have a like y'all did something in the
lab to this. I don't think it's so, but it
tastes like a soda company made water.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
All right. Well, I'm not a water expert. I'm simply
a fan. So after the break, we're gonna find out.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I'm gonna talk to some water experts, all.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Right, and we're back.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
So I spoke to two water experts to get some
intel on the Desni problem.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
My name is Johnny.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
Johnny Poujol started a company called tap Score about a
little less than ten years ago, and we decided we
wanted to make it really easy for people to test
their drinking water at home.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Johnny describes his company tap Score as the twenty three
and meters of drinking water. So obviously their focus isn't
on bottled water. It's more like you know your tap
and water health and safety in that way.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
And here's my second expert.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Hello, my name is Martin Reason. I'm your personal water somebody. Yes,
I drink water professionally, and I like to hydrate people
and bring water effects to people and like to debunk
a lot of water mysteries.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
So that's Marian and the s is a water samelier.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I wasn't expecting that accent. That's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
So I asked these gentlemen to lay out what factors
impact water taste, and as you can guess, it's a
lot of different things.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
When you look at water quality and the taste and smells,
it's broken down into things like salts and minerals. Dissolved
gases like CO two obviously has a big influence, but
oxygen can have an influence. You've got organic properties of
the water or carbon hydrogen bonds in the water. Pulvic
acids and humic acids are a major component there. You
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really shouldn't have a lot of microbial tastes and odors
in bobbled water, but it does happen, especially with untreated waters.
And then you have maybe the most kind of ubiquitously
known and perhaps most notorious concerns like metals, iron, arsenic, copper, zinc, aluminum.
These can all impart significant flavor to the water, whether
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they are present as salts or in some other format,
they're gonna have usually kind of metallic or various tastes.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
And then you got things like more general properties like
TVs and pH.
Speaker 7 (14:12):
Anyway, long story short, there's like different components to both
the smell and taste wheel of bottled water, bloss of utility.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Water, drinking water, well water in general, and drilling down
into just bottled water.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
So not all bottled water are created equally one water brands.
They're coming from other nature like spring waters and mineral waters.
That means these waters getting their unique taste profiled due
to nature. Was water's universal solvent, it will pour minerality
out of the soil layers. On the other hand, you
have water brands when it's called purified water or distilled
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water vapor distilled waters. These are water brands to most
of the times coming from our taps. They're using the
tap water as a base, filtering everything out and then
adding back some minerals whatever the formulation is what they
thought in a lap will be tasting good. So yes,
these waters as well have minerals dissolved, but by mankind
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designed versus spring waters natures designed. That's a big two differences.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Devon's making a very concerned and confused face. Let me
simplify that a little bit and kind of reiterate. So
there's basically two kind of groups we can break these into.
So there's like spring in mineral waters, where the bottlers
take the water from a natural spring or other source
and basically just filter out enough to clean the water
to make sure there's not any you know, bacteria or
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other dir other things in there, but keep all the
natural minerals that sort of thing. And on the other hand,
there's purified waters where they distill everything this water probably
comes from a tap in their lab, strip everything out
so there's nothing in it and then add stuff back in.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
To build that flavor profile.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
So what you guys were saying earlier before the break,
we're talking about formulas. There are formulas, and they're trying
to build taste. Because if you just had distilled water,
which they say well for you know things, but we
don't really drink it, would I don't think it would
like linger in your mouth at all and probably wouldn't
be very thirst quenching.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Mm Okay, I do see this thing like half the
products I use at home, like you should put the
you should use to steal the water with. Yeah, I'm like,
I'm just gonna put the water from the tap. It's
crazy to me to think about. I guess this makes sense,
but like I'm buying bottled water, which is you're taking
water from the tap and then putting it in a
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bottle and then selling it to me. It makes sense.
It's just weird to think of, like you know, Coca
Cola being like turn on the tap and the same
water we're getting in our houses. They're like stuff and
then adding some stuff to it. Yeah, I just assume
they all got it from some sort of water source
and then their treatment was different of it.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought too. So some examples
eavy on Fiji and our goat pull and spring. Those
are the former, so those are natural spring mineral waters,
and then aquafine assentia and of course DESIGNI.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
They're the latter. So those are you know, lab design.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
They're starting basically, you're starting at the top or you're
starting at the bottom and then finding your middle ground somewhere.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I'm kind of surprised by the fact that these companies
are taking not just taking tap water, but purifying it
and then trying to make it taste like anything specific,
trying to design the tastes. That's kind of mind belonged
to me.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Yeah, imagine being a water taste tester.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
You know, some people can't even tell the difference between
coke and PEPSI. Now, these people in the labs are
changing like the tiniest Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Know, crazy.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Before we get into kind of more about taste and flavor,
I'm to zoom out a bit. Humans aren't the best tasters,
and our taste receptors are changing all the time.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Like long term, it's like why.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Kids like sweets and then as you grow up you
develop more of a taste for different flavor is like
you might like vegetables now that you didn't before.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Throw back to our recent episode on picky eating.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Yeah, and even like on a short term timeline, Martin said,
like every ten days, our taste receptors are new. But
then also I think things like what you ate today
is going to impact how you things taste to you,
like water other things, especially because water is taking, pulling
everything and then breaking it up is how these guys
describe it.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Just to kind of reiterate your guys's thoughts that I've
that I didn't understand at the beginning of this episode,
there are discernible distinguishable tastes from bottle to bottle, from
brand to brand.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yeah, I think, so we'll do a taste test later
with different types. But yeah, I think I think it
is the sort of thing where there's enough of a
difference where not dramatically, and I don't think most people
are gonna have very strong reactions except for maybe something
like a desagni yes, right, but I think that's also
like you get used to it. So actually, this next
bit I want to play for Martin kind of goes
into that a little bit, talking about difference between taste
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and flavor.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
So first of all, we don't have the golden palette
because it's changing all the time. Second, taste and flavor.
Taste is what I just told you, what I can
actually taste. But we do hear this all the time.
Oh I love this red wine. The strawberry raspberry liquish effects. Yeah,
there's no strawberry or raspbery in bed. That's the flavor
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of a wine. The flavor is connected with my nose,
and we all know when I'm sick and my nose
is completely filled up, I cannot taste anything. So I
need my smell component as well to actually get the
flavor out of beverage. And then another thing happened to flavor.
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If you're sitting in a beautiful restaurant with your friends,
you just met a beautiful new partner, you just won
the lottery a million dollars. You're drinking this amazing wine.
You sink one. That's the best wine I ever tasted.
Two years later, you're in the rain in Brooklyn, your
your your partner you met for two years ago, told
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the two million dollars you won as well with them.
You're on the street. You just lost your apartment, you're
by yourself, but you find the same water, the same
wine supply in a grocery store. You drink this out
of a paper cup, it will it will be one
of the worst wines you ever tasted. It's the same wine.
So flavor is the surrounding even where we are. And
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that's the reason a lot of times tap water will
win against bottled water. This has nothing to do with quality.
This is just because you grew up on that particular
tap water. Your brain tells you that is the taste
of water, because this is how I grew up. This
was the best taste what I always had as water.
It might be from a quality standpoint, super bad, we
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still think it's amazing. So this whole taste testing, blind
tasting waters, it's, in my opinion, all you know what,
it's all playing games.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Basic ideas that taste is like the constant, but flavor
depends on what's going on.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Also the way it intersects with smell too, and other factors.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
So, which is interesting because most water does smell like anything.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah so but yeah, so like if you're smelling something
else around it, I guess or you know, or like
I think this is where something like the metal can
versus like he says, a paper cup versus glass. Yeah,
or factor.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
If I just got done playing soccer, you know whatever
water I drink is going to be incredible because I
neat my body, Yeah, versus the same water the next day,
maybe it won't be as good.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
All right, So I didn't want to waste these guys time.
These are important water experts.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
I think I'll get back to talking about water so much.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
So I had to know why Desndy got such a
bad rap.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Hmm, I said, straight up, just tell me, do they
really add salt to their water?
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
And the short.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Answer is yes.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Oh, but it's not so simple.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Yeah, there's a lot of misconception on salt because we're
all comfortable familiar with using sodium table salt, right, But
you can have salts of all different types. You can
have potassium salts and they'll taste different than sodium salt's
table salt, and so it will still have many the
same properties of a salt. It's rapid dissociation, but it
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will taste differently. So when we talk about salts, we should,
in any better world, all be somehow you know, remember
chemistry one oh one. And we would remember that there's
different types of salt, and the type of salt matters
to the taste. But you know, understandably got other priorities.
When we talk about salts, we usually just say salt,
but yeah, there's many different types of salts and they
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have different flavors.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
And now let's come to the fact that minerals are
salts and salts are electrolytes. So somehow, and I don't
know why people getting a little confused about that, because
the same people who are hating Dazani, well they're adding
the salt to make your thirst year will buy smart Water, Well,
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they're adding electro lights. Sodium is an electro light. That
is what it's in Dazagni. The TTS that means total
the soft sort of the overall millicomposition is even the
same by Doazanni and smart Water. There's barely anything in
there because the TTS of smart Water is twenty eight
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and the last time I checked Doazanni is twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
So it's like the conspiracy theorists were right, like on accident.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah, they're right in the sense that Thesani did have
what we would call table saw in their formula, but
that wasn't unusual.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
It's funny the idea of conspiracy theorists being right on accident,
like if you thought, if you thought like the CIA
killed JFK. But it turns out it was like a
guy named like Chris Ian Alexander Year.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
After all of these salt theories and backlash, Desani did
change their formula, like I said, and their label now
proudly says now without salt asterisk as the old version
did have. You could look at the ingredients and it said,
you know, it's all these everythings and it had salt
on it.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
That is the funniest, like corporate ready to say something
now without salt ash.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
So then mariin the water some of the a he
has some critiques of this new DESIGNI.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
What I think my theory is actually the wrong way.
It's the other way around. They need to add more
salt to make the water actually tastey good. It's the
same like you cook in your soup. No salt in
your soup not good taste. Too much salt not good taste.
You need to find a sweet spot. So the Dazagni
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problem is what everybody thinking they're getting thirstier for this
dry mouth field. So you drink Dazani and you have
this dry mouthfield on your palate, and you think, like
that's weird. I just drunk water. They should not be
a dry mouth field. That actually happens to all waters
when they're very low in minerality white, because again water
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is universe, is solvent. There's barely any minerals. As often
that water, it will find minerals in your sliver, it
will pull off from your sliver or all these minerals,
and now you have this dry mouthfeel afterwards. So I
can fix Dazani for Warracola happy when they're reaching out
to me. I can actually fix it to make it
very good tasting. But they choose, as a billion dollar
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company to go the reddid way to listen to conspiracy
theorists that they're adding salt to make it the water
people thirst year. What is actually the opposite? That is
a crazy path, that is an insane pub. When I
saw the new DESIGNI I could not believe that a
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company like Covra Cola believes conspiracy theorists quite interesting.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
So he thinks the Sanni is even worse now with
the new formula. He told me he reached out to
Coca Cola to discuss the new formula, but they said
it's a trade secret.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
They told me it's a secret. It's like a secret.
A recipe in water is a secret. Dazani is as
like it's like short Knox, I need to like, really,
you're not allowed to be on the same plane. Who
knows the formulation of darzani? Really that's not a flex.
I'm sorry, I was laughing. I was like, I cannot
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believe you guys telling me this. I like, this is
this is completely insane. Light Now like everybody with like
a with's like an easy like an easy let can
figure out immediately what's in there. I figured out by
myself with that five dollars divide how much TDS that
water has. So to tell me it's a recipe secret,
completely nonsense, to.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Be honest, that is it is hilarious concept of like who,
like what would I do if I did know the
recipe with you?
Speaker 3 (27:02):
So luckily for us, Johnny's company, tap Score ran an
analysis of the new Desaanni and here's what they found.
So compared to the old version, the pH chloride and
potassium levels went up, while the sodium went down. So
while they did add salt with the potassium, which is
also an electrolyte, they cut the sodium to fix the
table saw issue from the conspiracy theorists, and higher pH
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levels may also make for a smoother taste. That's basically
where we're at now.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
So Martin's criticism is like, hey, you guys are letting
the you know, the Reddit public perception of your brand
dictate what you're doing with your formula versus just trying
to make the thing taste as good as possible. In
being like, Reddit's not going to decide what this thing
tastes like.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah, that seems to be his main contention, where it's like,
the issue isn't that there's salt in the water, It's
about finding the right balance with other flavors or other
factors that can make it make it taste better.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
I agree, but I also disagree. I think part of
the issue is that it's a little too late that
the SNY is trying to do something, so everyone has
a preconceived notion of like the SANI sucks, so like
they need to change something. And if we think it's
you know, where our mouths are dry, If we think
it has less salt, then maybe that's better, even if
that's not actually the case.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
The issue now is just, yeah, there's just a public
perception of them, and they're just gonna do whatever they
need to change the public perception, even if that's not
actually making it taste better.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, because like I mean, like I said, I haven't
touched with Sonny in years. I didn't know about this
formula change, and in my head it wasn't a saltiness.
Though maybe if I had done a real close tasting
of it, I would have thought that. So then if
I had that on my head and I saw the
new thing that says no slaw added asterisk, yeah, maybe
I'd give it a shot.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Yeah, I'm thinking as a marketing guy, if I had
to signal to somebody that this water is different, you
have to put new formula on a bottle of water,
because then you're like, what form Yeah right, it's like
we took out the salt. That's one thing, but like
new formula.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah, a lot of new questions for people who don't
know about these things.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
So basically, Desagny made changes to its formula to address
a specific complaint by consumers, but the consumers didn't understand
why it tasted weird to them. So they basically made
a big change to appease people. But the change doesn't
it's not science bad, make it better.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, they just did it, which.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Seems to be a recurring issue. And you know in
this podcast is people responding to critics, but not not
ye listening to science.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
So to sum up, the Sauni did indeed add salt
to their water. But this isn't unusual. It wasn't a
conspiracy to get you to buy more water. Yeah, and
they still add salt, just different salts.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
All of that said, Martin thinks Coca Cola made this
formula change in part to fight back against those allegations.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
And to be fair, we don't know if that's the case. Yeah,
we don't know, speculating So that's that's.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
The basic answers, the basic question of why do Saanny
tastes different than other waters? Yeah, but now I think
we need to do a little tastest ourselves and see
if we notice anything. So after the break, let's do
a little blind taste test to see how Desni fares.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I'm Manny, I'm Noah, and it's time for a taste
test for a test. We're going to taste three waters
of various TDS levels.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
TDS stands for total dissolved solids.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
This measures the dissolved.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Combined content of inorganic and organic substances in a liquid.
This includes things like calcium, phosphates, sodium, potassium chloride, and more.
TDS is measured in parts per million. We're going to
compare distilled water, which of course has absolutely nothing in it,
so that's totally stripped down, should taste like pure nothing.
Number two designy so that's a purified water with a
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measure TDS total dissolved sidellids around twenty five. And number
three is evy on, which is a natural spring water,
and that has a TDS of three p forty, so
we should be able to taste the stuff going on
in there, so the natural minerals that sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
And then just to clarify, the stale water has a
TDS of zero. Yes, that's the most pure exactly.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Okay, yeah, okay, So we'll see how sensitive our palates
are to see if we can guess which ones which for.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
The audience, we do not know which is which will
be revealed.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
By fance rebottled these waters into other bottles labeled them
and gave me our key that I'll be revealing afterwards. Okay,
don't know this either, So let's start with a and
per our experts instructions, we're going to have the stuff
at room temperature, since ice or colder temperatures can number
senses a bit.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Oh so we want the real flavor.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Gosh, and we're drinking out of wineglasses, so you know
the water can open up and you know, really breathe
a little bit crazy.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Okay, so this is a cheers following cheers cheers.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Okay, I mean it tastes like water.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I'm not getting a lot.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Of flavor in the no.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
I feel like this is distilled.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I know, first I don't know, but then I'm I'm
kind of like in there, maybe I might think this
is the san I mean, I'm looking for like salt, now.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
You know what this is?
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Trying to think how long it's lingering in my mouth?
I think it's I'll say it's it's not bad. I'm
not loving it, though, I feel like the distilled is
gonna be a'm I'm looking.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I don't like this. I'm looking for, you know, for
my own preference. I have like a crispi er fresher.
You know, I want less taste based on how you
guys hate Dashani. I think this is the SON.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
I think it's that's my guess.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I know. I think I'll go to SONI too.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Okay, all right, so.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
We're gonna move on to B.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
All right, a little less funky.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
To me, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Getting much from any.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Maybe this is distilled.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
I think this may be distilled.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I think I'm not tasting anything, and it feels like
it's disappearing really fast. Yeah, I think, But it's not
so far off from the A.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
So that's why I think B is distilled.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I think now it's like better be crazy. I guess
we get.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
But this feels like distilled.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
To me. This had less taste than the previous one.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Yeah, and my mouth feels less different. Yeah, exactly, Like it.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Feels like as soon as I swallow, it's gone, it's.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Gone bottle boom. So all right, B we think is distilled.
All right, now we're having C.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
All right, you're C Yeah, mmm mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Is this one like creamier almost?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I think I think this. I think we got it right.
I think it's evy on.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
You know what this is crazy because I don't really
have AVI on so this.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Is I don't really know. And the natural spring, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
I think this is because there's nothing I've tasted before.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
So high t d s to me would mean that
it was it has more of a taste.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah, this is like you go to a beautiful spring.
An opening in the in the woods is the waterfall.
It's good, go down, put your put your hands, and
then drink out of it.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
All right, should I read?
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Yeah, let's go to the key.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
All right, let me over the key.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
It's like the Oscar this movement.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
All right.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Yeah, yeah, that was B distilled. And see.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
And I'm saying A is the saani, B is avion,
and C is distilled.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Alright, folks, the answer.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Devin and I are right, yeah, damn mean to me,
the third one tastes the cleanest to me.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Yes, it tastes the cleanest because it's the most naked.
Its natural.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
That's how you should be drinking water.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
In my opinion, that's the most refreshing.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
I thought distilled more clean tasting than that.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
No, because it's not. It's not more we're used to drinking.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yeah. Yeah, but it's funny too because It's like Evan
does market itself as like this luxury thing, and it's
like here we are loving it.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
The purpose of this is can we tell the difference
between the water and you can? Yeah? Yeah, I'm actually.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Surprised, honestly that I that we we all have the
real tell the difference the real heads.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I feel like we know if a Desaani lawyer is
listening to this, I actually quite liked.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
It, and listen, We're open to any sponsorships. Hey, Coke,
I would love Poland Spring sponsorship, but I'm I'm ready
to convert.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
It's probably more money in the coke world.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Yeah, I don't know, it's definitely most likely we do
end up with a Coke sponsorship. And you're probably gonna
make us delete this episode. Oh yeah, okay, So now
that we did the taste test, have either you've been
converted to sony.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Converted to.
Speaker 7 (36:09):
No.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
In fact, you know I I at the beginning of this,
I started as like, how can you.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Hate and get your agnostic?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
And I don't hate it, but I did notice like, Okay,
that's tastes so much different than the other ones, and
I can easily see how someone would not.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
Like that, and It's funny that you know, we picked
up on that before even you know, Noah told us
all this information. It's just like the Sani felt like
it was trying to be someone that is not you know,
like I would rather designy almost just be distilled water,
just like, don't add anything to it, just be straight
up because you're not spring, but you're trying to trick
(36:47):
me a little bit into being spring. Sure, you're in
this weird in between. It just makes me feel great
about my choices in life. It makes me feel validated. Yeah,
I feel validated, you know, I because I am somebody
similar to you know. If I go and I don't
see the type of water that I want, I just
get something else, and so I will continue formula. Apologies
(37:13):
to the signing, but it's not for me. I'm sticking
with my Poland springs. Maybe I'll even get you know,
it's my first time have an ammon in quite some time. Yeah,
maybe I'm a Maybe I have a couple more dollars,
you know, make a while, Yeah, and you get a
little more expensive one.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Now that I know the process stuff, I think I'll
probably try to buy a spring water just because I
know I like that already, I'll say, though the designy
wasn't as bad, So I don't know if it's because
the formula change or or just the setting room. So
I can't say I would never buy a DESAGNI like
I think maybe if I'm in a situation where I'm thirsty,
I need the water, and I go to the venue
(37:48):
machine and it's only Dasani, I'll say this, I'll give
it a shot. I'm not going to prioritize the sony
or any kind of purified one, to be honest, like,
I like the spring.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I like the idea of this.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
I like to taste spring or dot.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Spring, spring or die. All right, thanks for listening to
no such thing.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
The show is produced by Noah Friedman, Devin Joseph, and
Manny Fidel.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Theme music is by Manny.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Additional research of this episode by Scott Davis, and our
guests were Johnny Poujol and Martin Reese.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
For more information, please subscribe to our newsletter at www
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Thanks and stay hydrated.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
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Speaker 1 (39:00):
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