July 9, 2025 • 37 mins
This Week on No Whine Left Behind: We Object! (But Not Really)
Come for the verdicts, stay for the vibes.
Alex and Celia step into their fake attorney era, breaking down America’s most buzzed about criminal cases with a mix of hot takes, empathy, and just enough legal chaos to keep your group chat talking.
From the Karen Read verdict to Sean “Diddy” Combs and Bryan Kohberger, they ask what justice really looks like when the criminal courts say “not guilty,” but the civil lawsuits are just heating up. Spoiler: a verdict isn’t always the end.
Should a bar be held responsible when tragedy strikes? Is RICO really meant for rap moguls with mansions? And how does someone facing serious mental health struggles still pass court evaluations?
The girls deep dive into the cases everyone’s watching but with clarity, compassion, and none of the legal jargon that makes you want to skip.
Tune in if you:
- Love true crime but hate gatekeeping
- Are still side eyeing that Diddy news
- Believe mental health and accountability can both matter
- Want to understand WTF is happening without needing a law degree
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the no Wine Left Behind podcast, where
we truly leave no wine behind.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm Alex and I'm Celia.
We are here in the studiotogether, sharing ups and downs,
frustrations and funny momentsof our daily adventures.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
So grab your favorite glass.
Join us as we raise our voices.
Together, we'll dive into thedrama of life as we see it.
You always have your hair up,so I don't know I do, I do, I
always have my hair up and I'malways so excited to record this
podcast.
We're black bitches and Alexfake attorneys at law back.
(00:39):
In effect, we're gonna open ourown phony fucking of crime this
(01:07):
summer no no that's one thingafter another.
It's so, so crazy.
There's so much like where dowe even start?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
um, well, let's start with the, the one that was
going on for over three years.
Karen Reed, okay, okay, that'sfinally over.
Well, I take that back.
It's not really over, but partof it's over.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You know what that brings up?
A good point that even when atrial is over, like there's
still so much other stuff thathappens after the trial ends.
You have civil lawsuits, youhave appeals, you have all sorts
of aftermath, um, but we dohave at least a verdict in the
(01:56):
yes, if you're living under afucking rock and don't know
she's free, she was found notguilty, right Right.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
And then now the next verdict we'll be looking for in
that particular case will bethe civil suit, which she could
still be found guilty there.
But in my professional opinion,as a fake attorney, a fake
(02:28):
attorney, slash law commentatorI don't think she should be
found responsible there either.
Because I feel like these civillawsuits, if the evidence is
overwhelming against someone andthe jury just got it wrong and
(02:52):
found the person not guilty,okay, I could see them being
guilty in a civil suit.
However, if the evidence isn'toverwhelming, the juror found
the person not guilty, I thinkthe civil lawsuit should maybe
base a little bit of theiropinion on the fact that the
(03:12):
evidence was not 100% there toshow that she caused this man's
death.
So, why on earth should theyhold her financially responsible
?
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I do, and I think that's where it gets tricky,
because I, my phony attorneyside, wants to say well, who
else are they going to sue?
Because you can't, ok.
So now that I'm thinking aboutthis out loud, I was gonna say
you can't sue the alberts, butyou kind of can because they're
(03:48):
the homeowner and he died ontheir property, exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
it's yeah, it's tricky, it's a lot I think, of
my opinion, I think they shouldbe able to sue them for
negligence because, number one,he did die on their property and
no one came out.
You have, you have ambulances,fire department, emts, people
screaming in front of your houseand nobody comes out to see
(04:15):
what the heck is going on.
I feel like they should be heldaccountable for that.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
And the two bars that over-served them.
They should be getting sued too.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
So I think they are actually.
I think they are.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I hope so, because they should be, and I don't
think it should be her solely,just on her Agree.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
You know, totally agree.
And I think, because she wasfound innocent, it's going to
make the civil suit so muchharder to prove.
Listen, it's going to make thecivil suit so much harder to
prove.
So but I mean you have to feelfor the family, like they want
some sort of justice so they'rejust going to throw spaghetti at
the wall.
See what sticks.
But it's really sad, like we'renever going to know what
(04:57):
happened.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Right, that's really the worst part of this whole
thing.
The saddest part is whoever didthat to him literally got away
with it and no one will ever beheld responsible for his death
and, like I said, all the familycan do is get some money and
move on.
I mean, that's it literally.
But people are really callingand pressing the FBI to reopen
(05:19):
this investigation.
I just don't know what they cando because you know, the dog's
gone, the home's been sold, thephones are all destroyed, like
where?
where do you start looking?
Where do you start?
If you open this case, ifyou're an FBI agent, you open
this case.
Where do you start?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
You know it was so messy from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, and most of the hard evidence, like the dog,
the home, the phones is gone.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Everything.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Because that's kind of where everything really lies,
like where the truth reallylies in those specific areas.
Yeah so, but yeah so you knowto be to be continued on that
one.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
For sure.
Yeah, we'll be doing our legalanalyzing on that one as it
develops A couple of months.
Yeah, uh, as it develops acouple of months.
Yeah, as it develops, right, um.
So moving on to uh, I don'teven want to say his name
because he's just it sickens meand he's just such a disgusting
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human being, but the music mogulwe'll call him.
That is just.
I'm not surprised to be honestwith you, because Rico is very
hard to prove so hard and itusually involves more than one
person.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yes, and they're literally trying to put a.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Rico on one person Right and there's so many pieces
to a rico charge and they onlycould get them on.
Like rico was like moneylaundering, sex trafficking,
like there's so many differentlevels and you have to check all
the boxes to be um tried forsomething like that I think he
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only checked two of the boxes,which was, um, sex trafficking,
and well, that's what he wasbeing accused of and allegedly
Right.
Um yeah, and so um I, I, I thinkthat was such a waste of time
for the government to to try todo that and place all that on
one person when the whole worldknows it's a big charge.
(07:24):
It includes multiple people,multiple organizations and I
don't know how powerful did theythink this man was that he was
doing all those things?
I mean he may have been, whoknows?
But they couldn't prove itobviously.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, he was definitely involved.
And I think when you think Ricoand you think racketeering, you
think old school organizedcrime, right, you think mob, yes
, you think mafia.
You don't think of Sean Combs.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
No, no, no, not at all.
But, yeah, Crazy thecelebrities that have been
commenting.
The one for me was um fitty'scomment.
That comment was hilarious likehilarious and the way he speaks
(08:16):
is wildly funny.
Um, but yeah, yeah, calls himnow the gay john gaudy he has
been trolling Diddy since thestart of this.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
It has been rumored that, of the charges that he was
found guilty of for Jane Doe,jane Doe is allegedly the mother
of 50 Cent's son, so even moreof a reason for him to have some
sort of personal vengeance bothon the kid's mother and sean
(08:49):
himself yes, yes, yes, so thatwas.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
that was pretty crazy .
Everyone's completely shocked.
But again, the charges werejust, they were shooting for the
stars on this one.
Yeah, it just didn't make sense.
No, yeah, but you know, whatreally surprised me was the fact
(09:13):
that they held him on bail.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I was very happy.
I was very, very happy becauseclearly this man has issues and
if he was released on bail,these issues would still run
rampant.
And who?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
wants that right.
Who wants that in their liferight now?
Nobody, yeah, um, I I'm gladthe judge saw it, saw it the way
he did and held him, and I dohope that he he may not get you
know 10 years because it's 10years per count, it's maximum.
He's definitely not going toget that much.
He may not get you know 10years because it's 10 years per
count, it's maximum he'sdefinitely not going to get that
much.
He may get two years.
He may serve do time served, Idon't know, but he's not going
(09:54):
to serve more than five years,if anything.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I hope he gets something.
I hope the judge makes anexample of him, like just
because you're rich, and justbecause you, you're kind of
powerful, because you're rich,right um, money's power, like
some people say, right um um,you can't act like that, you
can't behave that way.
You, you're a public figurelike children.
People around the whole worldlook up to you and you're you're
literally an animal like.
(10:18):
You're just a just, oh justdisgusting person.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, but I will say being an animal and a disgusting
person isn't illegal.
And that has been my issue withthis case all along.
They spoke about in detail thefreak offs and all the things.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
None of that stuff is illegal, that stuff that's
happening in a lot ofneighborhoods, probably closer
to ourselves than we think, andI think people with a half a
(11:03):
brain that care about theirbrand or their reputation will
not touch him with a 10-footpole, will not anywhere near him
, and the only people that Ithink will still be in his
corner are the people that arejust like him, the people that
(11:24):
do the things he does and actthe way he does.
That's it, so that's who hewill be surrounded with.
Um, and everyone else is gonnago.
Peace out like.
We're done with you.
We don't want to associate withyou because you're right, you
know you're fucking weird andyou're.
You do weird shit and we don'twant people to think we do that
weird shit.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
So but I think that's .
The one thing I don'tunderstand is why people do this
weird shit with people whodon't consent, because there are
plenty of other weird fuckersout there right yeah, so just
find someone who's willing to doweird shit with you, right?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
you won't end up in this bullshit rico racketeering,
whatever case like, stopforcing people to do the dumb
shit you want to do.
Like you said, go find peoplethat want to do that shit and
then you can do whatever youwant and nobody gives a fuck,
because you're all fucking happydoing your shit together and
nobody cares that's the thing,so it's fucking weird I just
don't understand rich people doweird shit and I don't
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understand why you have billionsand millions of dollars you can
pay for literally anything.
Why are you forcing people andengaging in this like forcing
them to engage in this crazyshit when, like you're rich,
Like you don't have?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
to do that.
You don't have to do that.
That's boring.
That's boring.
You don't have to do that.
That's boring.
If everyone is just saying yesto you all the time and doing
whatever you want, that'sfucking boring.
You get bored, oh, but at leastit keeps you out of trouble.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I mean right, Keeps you out of court.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Keeps you out, be in prison.
I'll tell you that much.
Oh my god, it's just so weirdand complicated, especially like
women, like it's.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
It's crazy.
It is so crazy.
The crimes against the womenand everything is is just out of
this world it's completelyoutrageous um and terrible,
awful um.
But yeah, he's on my list ofpeople and celebrities.
I don't.
I don't fuck with anymore likeI'm all set yeah, he's right
there under will smith.
Actually I I moved him up.
Will smith is second nowdiddy's number one right now so
(13:31):
yeah, yeah.
Well, after whatever little jailtime he serves, I'm excited to
see what he does next like whatis that going to look like oh
yeah, he's gonna come back inthe biggest way, because it's
gonna be the biggest fuck you toeveryone and anyone that had
anything to do with this forreal.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I like the rebrand is gonna be crazy and I'll watch
it, but I don't want no parts.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, All set, yeah, he is a
weirdo.
Anywho, Do you want to talkabout that other psychopath
that's been in the news lately?
Speaker 1 (14:16):
See our fake law office is so busy there is no
shortage of shit going down.
No, um, are you talking aboutbrian coberger?
yes, like another thing that isso complicated and complex, like
, on one hand, happy that hepled guilty, on the other hand,
(14:41):
I'm not particularly thrilledthat we won't have a trial.
I just don't.
I don't know Like I get it, butI don't.
And like the families are split.
Some of them are happy with thedecision, some of them aren't
and I get it Like what's a trialreally going to do?
Like we practically knoweverything.
And I get it Like what's atrial really going to do?
(15:01):
Like we practically knoweverything.
There's public records, likethere's plenty of websites for
you to go on and see all of theinformation that they have about
, like what happened.
But yeah, I don't know.
I'm torn.
I don't know, like, if I wasand this is probably fucking
morbid to say but if I was, likeone of the family members, I
don't know if I would want atrial or not.
I don't know if I would behappy with what happened
(15:23):
yesterday.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
So my fake expert legal opinion would be I
wouldn't want a trial because Iwouldn't want to relive all
those moments and hear them indetail.
Okay, I'm sure these peoplehave read police report after
police report and have seen onpaper.
(15:47):
I wouldn't want to see thepictures and all that in court,
in the courts and everythingelse, but I'd want to know why.
But I'd want to know why.
And right now he's getting offwith life in prison, as far as
I'm concerned, because thesefour young teenagers are gone
now.
They've lost their life,they've lost the chance to live
(16:10):
a life, and he gets to go tojail and continue living a life
because it's not a great life,it's jail, but like people in
jail.
It's not a great life.
It's jail, but like people injail um, it's not the worst,
depending on where you are,because he can get an education,
he's gonna eat well, he's gonnaexercise like he's gonna, he's
gonna, he's just gonna do it allin one place, right, right, um,
(16:34):
and continue to grow old anddie someday maybe as an elderly,
old man of whatever right.
Yeah, these kids don't get thatopportunity and I just want to
know why, what were you thinkingand why on earth did you decide
to go into that house thatnight and do what you did?
What was the motive?
What was it?
And we'll never know because hegets to say I'm guilty, okay,
(16:58):
you're sentenced to fiveconsecutive life terms.
Bye, we'll see you later andthat's it.
And he sits in prison from nowuntil the day he dies.
And he could die with amaster's degree in criminal
justice.
Like it's not fair, I don'tthink it's fair, and I think
that's what some of the familieshave a problem with and that's
(17:18):
why they think a trial isnecessary, because they want to
know why and the why might comeout in the trial.
It might not, but they wantthat opportunity to see if it
does.
Right's the one thing that I'msure they know, but if he did
(17:43):
get the death penalty it doesn'tmean he's going to die in a
week.
He could be on death row for 30years.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
And that sucks too right.
So I was talking to Gary theother day and I'm like why on
earth, if someone literallybrutally kills someone, rape
someone, whatever they do,that's so bad and they get
sentenced to the death penalty.
They took that person's lifeinstantly.
(18:10):
Why can't their death penaltysentence happen instantly?
Like you get the death penaltynext week, you're going to death
period.
Done, that's it.
Why do they put death rowinmates on death row for 20
years or more?
Why, like I don't understandwhy.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I haven't gotten to that chapter in my law book yet,
but as soon as my professorgets to that I will circle back
and give you an answer.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Okay, yeah, because I think it should happen
immediately.
Just like those people's livesended immediately, your life
needs to end immediately.
I hope it's like an eye for aneye type thing.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
No eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
No, no, I mean okay, sit on death row for a week and
sit there and anticipate thefact that you're going to die
next week and think on that,think, stew in that and then get
led to that gas chamber andyou're gone.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I think it's a waste of time and resources and money
to have people sitting on deathrow for 20 years.
I don't understand it.
And it's still not closure forthe family, because now this guy
says found guilty, death row.
Now the family is waiting foryears and years and years to
watch this guy suffer that fateand some people will die not
(19:25):
ever getting to see that.
So either way, it's not a goodending, I think.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, I completely agree.
It's not good at all.
But part of the plea deal washe can't profit off of the
murders and the deaths of thosechildren.
He um cannot give anyinterviews, nothing, almost like
a gag order.
But it's different, because nowhe's convicted and whatever.
(19:51):
There's a different term for itum but very similar to a gag
order.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, right, so it's still very unfair and again,
very, very, very sad, like verysad, but, and I think at this
point the house has beendemolished, right, didn't they
tear it down?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
That was a good choice.
Whoever decided that thatshould happen?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I couldn't imagine like renting that place out
again for college students.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
No, or anybody living there or anything like, or just
having it sit there as areminder constantly what
happened?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, very strange Nope, yeah, yeah.
So that's that's, that's a goodthing.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Very strange.
Nope, yeah, yeah.
So that's that's, that's a goodthing.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So yeah, I don't know .
There's just a lot of legalstuff going on and I, my plate
is full and I'm exhausted.
Yeah, this is just you know.
You know gotta keep doing thislegal research.
You know gotta keep our brainsharp here.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, speaking of which, I just heard from our
paralegal that apparently deathsentences are always
automatically appealed, so thatdelays the process.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
OK, thank you, miss Paralegal.
Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Courts are also overloaded, don't care.
Yeah, that's not an excuse.
And then there's always issueson how executions are carried
out, and that also leads tochallenges and delays.
Also, don't give a fuck yeah.
No, that's a bunch of bullshittoo, yeah so there's no good
(21:36):
reason why people live on deathrow for eons, shit too, yeah, so
there's no good reason whypeople live on death row for
eons.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, that's, that's a bunch of crap.
Yeah, it really is like you gotsentenced to death.
You committed a crime, it wasproven, you don't get an appeal,
you don't?
You don't, you know cross, whatis it?
You go and collect, go past, goand collect 200, like in the
monopoly.
No, nothing like you, just goright to jail.
you go right to your death rowchair and you're done.
Go and collect, go past, go andcollect $200 in the Monopoly.
(22:01):
No, nothing Like you.
Just go right to jail.
You go right to your death rowchair and you're done Like
goodbye.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Stop wasting fucking taxpayer money here Like it's
crazy, crazy, and it's, it'sexpensive Jail prison is a
fucking business, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, yeah, the money that lawyers get paid what, oh
my God, I don't even know.
I don't even know.
The money that lawyers get paidis crazy, it's just crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I know, as a fake lawyer I don't make that much
and I'm not happy.
So I need to become a reallawyer, I guess someday.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah, we need to like try to profit on all this fake
commentary and all this umeverybody legal, um yeah, stuff
we need to.
We need to figure that out.
How do we try to profit on allthis on our, you know, legal
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analysis?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
analysis yeah that's amazing.
Yeah, um, let's talk aboutkelly fitzsimmons.
Oh, I heard that you know somedetails and I I've been loosely
following this one because youknow it's not my case, so I'm
not really like in the thick ofit, but I'm still following it
well, as much as I have going on.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I did take this on, so I can, you know, give you
some insight.
Okay, so, from what I'mgathering, it's all allegedly Of
course she is a little bit of acuckoo bird.
Okay, apparently she's had somemental health issues in the
(23:37):
past.
Apparently she's had somemental health issues in the past
.
She was a correctional officerat one point for a very like six
months or a year a very shortperiod of time Then became a
police officer in North Andoverlast year.
Within the year she was placedon a personal administrative
leave.
(24:02):
That reason hasn't beendisclosed as of yet.
Apparently she was pregnant atone point she and the fiance
were a couple.
Then had some issues.
They had been on vacation.
(24:22):
Where were they on vacation?
I can't remember, it might havebeen cape or florida, or
something.
She had assaulted him duringthe vacation.
Um, up at some point lastsaturday they had an altercation
in the home.
Um, on Monday she was servedwith the restraining order.
The fiance is a North Andoverfirefighter.
(24:46):
Yeah, she had the baby, sincein between all this she had a
boy, she had a son and at somepoint before she had her son she
had a mental breakdown, hadthreatened to kill herself and
the child once the child wasborn and then, after the child
(25:06):
was born, she suffered frompostpartum depression and there
was a lot of issues between herand the fiance again, which led
to a huge altercation at theirhouse on Saturday.
Then he went and filed arestraining order.
Monday night it was served bythree of her fellow officers.
(25:31):
When you're served a restrainingorder, you automatically have
to forfeit any firearms weaponsyou have in the home and during
that process they wereapparently escorting her to get
whatever firearms or whatevershe had in the home.
And an altercation, somethinghappened and one of the officers
(25:52):
ended up firing his weapon.
We don't know where she wasshot yet, it hasn't been made
public.
We know that she's in stablecondition and she's still
hospitalized.
Don't know where the child is,Assuming he's with the fiance,
Assuming the fiance is not inthe home.
And that's all I got right now.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
And this is reminiscent of something that we
were talking about in aprevious episode, and I can't
remember exactly what it was,but this is where I struggle
with police getting involved inmental health issues, because
what I'm hearing is this poorwoman had been suffering and
(26:38):
then this happens, and I don'tthink that police are fully
equipped to deal with a womangoing through postpartum
depression, which can last avery long time, for whatever
reason.
When her government issuedweapon was taken away, it was
just given back to her in June,last month it was just given
(27:00):
back to her.
I'm sure had to have undergonesome sort of evaluation and even
then they thought it was okayto give her a gun back, like I.
Just I think there's such alapse in so many missed
opportunities to prevent thisfrom happening.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Well, here's the thing, and here's where the
problem could possibly be.
You can fake your way through apsych evaluation.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
You can.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
You can and I know this to be 1000% the truth
unless you're really off yourrocker and you're nearly unless
you're severely mentally ill,unless you're severely mentally
ill, like really fucked up.
If you can hold it together forthat hour you're with a mental
health person, you can totallyskate right through the
(27:53):
questions and give them all theright answers and they can deem
you fit for to have yourchildren.
They can deem you fit to haveweapons, they can deem you fit
to live your life like everybodyelse.
But then you have to be.
You have to have thatdiscipline.
And I, for 1000%, know peoplethat are fucking crazy as fuck
(28:15):
but have the discipline and themindset to be able to speak to
people and act like they got itall together.
But then they walk away fromthat person and they're like off
their rocker.
They're just cuckoo Right.
And and I I know people who havetaken a health, mental health
evaluations and pass them withflying colors, but everyone else
(28:38):
around them is like how thatperson's fucking crazy.
Their actions are of a crazyperson, their their thought
process.
Wow, that person's fuckingcrazy, their actions are of a
crazy person, their theirthought process, their, their
words, but yet so it's like isthe therapist fucking crazy?
Or like believing whatever thatperson's, or is that person
really fucking good at fooling atherapist?
They can be, yeah Cause cause alot of these crazy people.
(29:01):
They're like narcissists andthey fucking just.
They just know how.
They know what the, what theright words are and how to get
through one of those things.
And in this case, she probablyis a little bit intelligent and
knew, like, if I want my gunback, I need to fucking keep my
shit together and I need to sayall the right things and I'm
gonna get my gun back.
(29:21):
And boom, she did yeah,absolutely intelligent, because
she's a 28 year old policeofficer, female police officer
at that like there's a lot thatyou have to go through in order
to get to where she is 22universities got you know her
degrees like, yeah, so she'sdefinitely um, intelligent,
(29:43):
intelligent and knows how tonavigate through certain
situations where she was able tolook like and sound like she
was fine and ready to, you know,become back to work and, you
know, do her thing.
And behind the scenes she was afucking basket case.
(30:03):
She was a mess and it'sunfortunate that nobody was able
to catch that.
And now look where we are thisgirl's in the hospital now with
a gunshot wound and probablylose her child, may go to jail.
If she was the one who, who,like, got aggressive with the
police like she could end up inprison, like who knows, who
(30:25):
knows what's going to happenwith this girl at this point?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
now, you know, yeah, especially if her mental state
was already fragile.
Imagine three of your coworkerscoming to your house and
serving you with a restrainingorder.
That must've been sohumiliating for her.
Yeah, and again already in afragile mental state.
If they had made like one offthe mark comment, she could have
(30:48):
fucking snapped.
She could have, because youknow the stereotype is out there
like male cops are assholes,like they're not fucking kind.
So, heaven forbid, one of thethree people that served her the
restraining order was someonethat didn't like her and fucking
poke the bear, yep, yep.
And now she's gonna loseeverything.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
She's going to one of them was a 20-year veteran,
he's a sergeant.
The other one was a rookie andI don't know about the third one
.
So, like he, maybe he was justin between a couple years, I'm
not sure, but there was likethree levels of police there so
you know, you know like you said.
I feel like something may havebeen said that trigger and she
(31:30):
just fucking lost it.
And she was just like fuck youguys, Like you're not coming to
my house, whatever, whatever,and just lost her shit.
Yeah, or maybe they tried totake the child or who knows,
like, who knows, you know, whoknows, yeah, so crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
take the child or who knows like who knows, you know?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
who knows.
Yeah, so greasy and every daylike more stuff is, is, you know
, running more and more everyday.
So you know there's always timefor, like you know, this crime
drama there's always time, it'salways like, especially if it's
like juicy like oh 100 yeah,yeah, you just gotta carve out
that time to do some littleinvestigating, some little fake
investigating.
(32:04):
You know done and done for sure,for sure.
But you know, speaking of crazyum in postpartum depression and
um, all that, um, clancy,lindsey is lindsey clancy, I
believe her name is the womanfrom.
With her the three kids, thatyeah, um she, you know that
(32:26):
she's in took spray statehospital.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, she's always been there.
She's been there since shejumped out the window.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
She's still there she's still there and she went
and did, um, she had a hearinglike a month or so ago and it
was continued again.
Like again her mental health.
Like here's the thing, likeokay, how long is this going to
go on?
For she killed her kids andyeah, she seems she.
She was not in a mental goodstate, she had postpartum
depression, this, that and theother thing, but like somebody
(32:52):
has to pay for that, like rightthis is me a mental hospital all
this time, and what nothinglike.
And the fact that I read anarticle, probably a few months
ago, that her husband ex-husbandprobably.
At this point I don't know, iskind of being supportive and a
little forgiving.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
I think he was from the very beginning.
I remember one of the firststatements he put out was like
don't be so hard on her.
That's crazy yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, that was nuts.
When I read that I was likewait, what yeah happening right
now?
So apparently he moved out ofthe state.
He lives in new york now.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
He doesn't live there anymore but I mean, how could
you?
How could you?
It's gonna consume your life.
Everyone's looking with thatguy and feel sorry for you all
the time.
You're never gonna be able toget past it because people just
pull you back in I have aquestion, though, and this is on
a whole, nother thing.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
This is on the second case we talked about.
Why are people comparing seancombs's case to casey anthony's
case?
I don't know.
I've seen comments aboutanother casey anthony situation
and this and that's like they'retwo totally separate cases.
Yeah, I don't understand.
(34:10):
I thought that was very strange.
And casey anthony, I mean, comeon, that case has been long
gone, forever.
Like why are people even stillbringing that up?
Like even doesn't she do likelegal tiktoks now on legal stuff
?
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I think they um, I think they banned her.
She was, but I think theybanned her good because who is
she to talk about anything?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
right now, like ever in her life, get out of here she
got away with murder.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
She totally did.
Yeah, she has some advice tooffer to fucking crazy people so
didn't oj and look how his fateended up, Guy.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
he died of cancer.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Karma Mm-hmm.
Yep, for sure, I'm trying tofind any TikToks on Sean Combs,
Casey Anthony link.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, it was comments I read online when I was
reading different articles.
I'm like why are peoplecomparing that?
Unless, it's just like somepeople are just weird and they
just make weird comparisons.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
so yeah, I think it's just because.
I think it's mainly justbecause of, like, public
attention.
They're both high profile cases.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, but so was oj oj was like one of the biggest
cases in the freaking world, Ifeel like it's generational.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Like you and I maybe would compare it to OJ, but
someone younger than us wouldcompare him to Casey Anthony.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Okay, yes, that makes sense, right.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
So and the verdict?
The verdicts were both shockingin both cases.
So I could, I could see thatbringing some sort of like
comparison, but other than thatthey're not fucking same.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
No, I mean, they're both weird as hell, but they're
yeah, yeah, totally, totally.
Well, you know, that's all Ihave for um, this edition of um
local crime in our area, kind ofbecause city's not not your but
(36:06):
, oh, no, two of them were.
Two of them were right right,right, right, right.
Um, yeah, I'm gonna continuedoing my fake legal um analysis
and um I I don't have aparalegal, though, and you do,
so you're ahead of the game hereI need to share with you, okay.
So what are we gonna call?
(36:27):
We gotta figure out what we'regonna call our fake law office.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
It's gonna be something really good, like it's
gonna be a really good name.
We're taking a recommendation,so if anyone has recommendations
on our fake law office name,please DM us at.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
No One.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Left Behind Podcast on Instagram Perfect.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
And for now, we will see you next time with some more
fake crime drama.
Well, it's real crime drama,but it's us pretending to know
more than we do, so fake it'sconfusing right you literally
gotta fact check our shit,because we're just giving you
(37:09):
our legal opinion.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm Alex and I'm Celia.
We are here in the studiotogether, sharing ups and downs,
frustrations and funny momentsof our daily adventures.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
So grab your favorite glass.
Join us as we raise our voices.
Together, we'll dive into thedrama of life as we see it.
You always have your hair up,so I don't know I do, I do, I
always have my hair up and I'malways so excited to record this
podcast.
We're black bitches and Alexfake attorneys at law back.
(00:39):
In effect, we're gonna open ourown phony fucking of crime this
(01:07):
summer no no that's one thingafter another.
It's so, so crazy.
There's so much like where dowe even start?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
um, well, let's start with the, the one that was
going on for over three years.
Karen Reed, okay, okay, that'sfinally over.
Well, I take that back.
It's not really over, but partof it's over.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You know what that brings up?
A good point that even when atrial is over, like there's
still so much other stuff thathappens after the trial ends.
You have civil lawsuits, youhave appeals, you have all sorts
of aftermath, um, but we dohave at least a verdict in the
(01:56):
yes, if you're living under afucking rock and don't know
she's free, she was found notguilty, right Right.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
And then now the next verdict we'll be looking for in
that particular case will bethe civil suit, which she could
still be found guilty there.
But in my professional opinion,as a fake attorney, a fake
(02:28):
attorney, slash law commentatorI don't think she should be
found responsible there either.
Because I feel like these civillawsuits, if the evidence is
overwhelming against someone andthe jury just got it wrong and
(02:52):
found the person not guilty,okay, I could see them being
guilty in a civil suit.
However, if the evidence isn'toverwhelming, the juror found
the person not guilty, I thinkthe civil lawsuit should maybe
base a little bit of theiropinion on the fact that the
(03:12):
evidence was not 100% there toshow that she caused this man's
death.
So, why on earth should theyhold her financially responsible
?
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I do, and I think that's where it gets tricky,
because I, my phony attorneyside, wants to say well, who
else are they going to sue?
Because you can't, ok.
So now that I'm thinking aboutthis out loud, I was gonna say
you can't sue the alberts, butyou kind of can because they're
(03:48):
the homeowner and he died ontheir property, exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
it's yeah, it's tricky, it's a lot I think, of
my opinion, I think they shouldbe able to sue them for
negligence because, number one,he did die on their property and
no one came out.
You have, you have ambulances,fire department, emts, people
screaming in front of your houseand nobody comes out to see
(04:15):
what the heck is going on.
I feel like they should be heldaccountable for that.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
And the two bars that over-served them.
They should be getting sued too.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
So I think they are actually.
I think they are.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I hope so, because they should be, and I don't
think it should be her solely,just on her Agree.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
You know, totally agree.
And I think, because she wasfound innocent, it's going to
make the civil suit so muchharder to prove.
Listen, it's going to make thecivil suit so much harder to
prove.
So but I mean you have to feelfor the family, like they want
some sort of justice so they'rejust going to throw spaghetti at
the wall.
See what sticks.
But it's really sad, like we'renever going to know what
(04:57):
happened.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Right, that's really the worst part of this whole
thing.
The saddest part is whoever didthat to him literally got away
with it and no one will ever beheld responsible for his death
and, like I said, all the familycan do is get some money and
move on.
I mean, that's it literally.
But people are really callingand pressing the FBI to reopen
(05:19):
this investigation.
I just don't know what they cando because you know, the dog's
gone, the home's been sold, thephones are all destroyed, like
where?
where do you start looking?
Where do you start?
If you open this case, ifyou're an FBI agent, you open
this case.
Where do you start?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
You know it was so messy from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, and most of the hard evidence, like the dog,
the home, the phones is gone.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Everything.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Because that's kind of where everything really lies,
like where the truth reallylies in those specific areas.
Yeah so, but yeah so you knowto be to be continued on that
one.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
For sure.
Yeah, we'll be doing our legalanalyzing on that one as it
develops A couple of months.
Yeah, uh, as it develops acouple of months.
Yeah, as it develops, right, um.
So moving on to uh, I don'teven want to say his name
because he's just it sickens meand he's just such a disgusting
(06:19):
human being, but the music mogulwe'll call him.
That is just.
I'm not surprised to be honestwith you, because Rico is very
hard to prove so hard and itusually involves more than one
person.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yes, and they're literally trying to put a.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Rico on one person Right and there's so many pieces
to a rico charge and they onlycould get them on.
Like rico was like moneylaundering, sex trafficking,
like there's so many differentlevels and you have to check all
the boxes to be um tried forsomething like that I think he
(07:03):
only checked two of the boxes,which was, um, sex trafficking,
and well, that's what he wasbeing accused of and allegedly
Right.
Um yeah, and so um I, I, I thinkthat was such a waste of time
for the government to to try todo that and place all that on
one person when the whole worldknows it's a big charge.
(07:24):
It includes multiple people,multiple organizations and I
don't know how powerful did theythink this man was that he was
doing all those things?
I mean he may have been, whoknows?
But they couldn't prove itobviously.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, he was definitely involved.
And I think when you think Ricoand you think racketeering, you
think old school organizedcrime, right, you think mob, yes
, you think mafia.
You don't think of Sean Combs.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
No, no, no, not at all.
But, yeah, Crazy thecelebrities that have been
commenting.
The one for me was um fitty'scomment.
That comment was hilarious likehilarious and the way he speaks
(08:16):
is wildly funny.
Um, but yeah, yeah, calls himnow the gay john gaudy he has
been trolling Diddy since thestart of this.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
It has been rumored that, of the charges that he was
found guilty of for Jane Doe,jane Doe is allegedly the mother
of 50 Cent's son, so even moreof a reason for him to have some
sort of personal vengeance bothon the kid's mother and sean
(08:49):
himself yes, yes, yes, so thatwas.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
that was pretty crazy .
Everyone's completely shocked.
But again, the charges werejust, they were shooting for the
stars on this one.
Yeah, it just didn't make sense.
No, yeah, but you know, whatreally surprised me was the fact
(09:13):
that they held him on bail.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I was very happy.
I was very, very happy becauseclearly this man has issues and
if he was released on bail,these issues would still run
rampant.
And who?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
wants that right.
Who wants that in their liferight now?
Nobody, yeah, um, I I'm gladthe judge saw it, saw it the way
he did and held him, and I dohope that he he may not get you
know 10 years because it's 10years per count, it's maximum.
He's definitely not going toget that much.
He may not get you know 10years because it's 10 years per
count, it's maximum he'sdefinitely not going to get that
much.
He may get two years.
He may serve do time served, Idon't know, but he's not going
(09:54):
to serve more than five years,if anything.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I hope he gets something.
I hope the judge makes anexample of him, like just
because you're rich, and justbecause you, you're kind of
powerful, because you're rich,right um, money's power, like
some people say, right um um,you can't act like that, you
can't behave that way.
You, you're a public figurelike children.
People around the whole worldlook up to you and you're you're
literally an animal like.
(10:18):
You're just a just, oh justdisgusting person.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, but I will say being an animal and a disgusting
person isn't illegal.
And that has been my issue withthis case all along.
They spoke about in detail thefreak offs and all the things.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
None of that stuff is illegal, that stuff that's
happening in a lot ofneighborhoods, probably closer
to ourselves than we think, andI think people with a half a
(11:03):
brain that care about theirbrand or their reputation will
not touch him with a 10-footpole, will not anywhere near him
, and the only people that Ithink will still be in his
corner are the people that arejust like him, the people that
(11:24):
do the things he does and actthe way he does.
That's it, so that's who hewill be surrounded with.
Um, and everyone else is gonnago.
Peace out like.
We're done with you.
We don't want to associate withyou because you're right, you
know you're fucking weird andyou're.
You do weird shit and we don'twant people to think we do that
weird shit.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
So but I think that's .
The one thing I don'tunderstand is why people do this
weird shit with people whodon't consent, because there are
plenty of other weird fuckersout there right yeah, so just
find someone who's willing to doweird shit with you, right?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
you won't end up in this bullshit rico racketeering,
whatever case like, stopforcing people to do the dumb
shit you want to do.
Like you said, go find peoplethat want to do that shit and
then you can do whatever youwant and nobody gives a fuck,
because you're all fucking happydoing your shit together and
nobody cares that's the thing,so it's fucking weird I just
don't understand rich people doweird shit and I don't
(12:19):
understand why you have billionsand millions of dollars you can
pay for literally anything.
Why are you forcing people andengaging in this like forcing
them to engage in this crazyshit when, like you're rich,
Like you don't have?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
to do that.
You don't have to do that.
That's boring.
That's boring.
You don't have to do that.
That's boring.
If everyone is just saying yesto you all the time and doing
whatever you want, that'sfucking boring.
You get bored, oh, but at leastit keeps you out of trouble.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I mean right, Keeps you out of court.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Keeps you out, be in prison.
I'll tell you that much.
Oh my god, it's just so weirdand complicated, especially like
women, like it's.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
It's crazy.
It is so crazy.
The crimes against the womenand everything is is just out of
this world it's completelyoutrageous um and terrible,
awful um.
But yeah, he's on my list ofpeople and celebrities.
I don't.
I don't fuck with anymore likeI'm all set yeah, he's right
there under will smith.
Actually I I moved him up.
Will smith is second nowdiddy's number one right now so
(13:31):
yeah, yeah.
Well, after whatever little jailtime he serves, I'm excited to
see what he does next like whatis that going to look like oh
yeah, he's gonna come back inthe biggest way, because it's
gonna be the biggest fuck you toeveryone and anyone that had
anything to do with this forreal.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I like the rebrand is gonna be crazy and I'll watch
it, but I don't want no parts.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, All set, yeah, he is a
weirdo.
Anywho, Do you want to talkabout that other psychopath
that's been in the news lately?
Speaker 1 (14:16):
See our fake law office is so busy there is no
shortage of shit going down.
No, um, are you talking aboutbrian coberger?
yes, like another thing that isso complicated and complex, like
, on one hand, happy that hepled guilty, on the other hand,
(14:41):
I'm not particularly thrilledthat we won't have a trial.
I just don't.
I don't know Like I get it, butI don't.
And like the families are split.
Some of them are happy with thedecision, some of them aren't
and I get it Like what's a trialreally going to do?
Like we practically knoweverything.
And I get it Like what's atrial really going to do?
(15:01):
Like we practically knoweverything.
There's public records, likethere's plenty of websites for
you to go on and see all of theinformation that they have about
, like what happened.
But yeah, I don't know.
I'm torn.
I don't know, like, if I wasand this is probably fucking
morbid to say but if I was, likeone of the family members, I
don't know if I would want atrial or not.
I don't know if I would behappy with what happened
(15:23):
yesterday.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
So my fake expert legal opinion would be I
wouldn't want a trial because Iwouldn't want to relive all
those moments and hear them indetail.
Okay, I'm sure these peoplehave read police report after
police report and have seen onpaper.
(15:47):
I wouldn't want to see thepictures and all that in court,
in the courts and everythingelse, but I'd want to know why.
But I'd want to know why.
And right now he's getting offwith life in prison, as far as
I'm concerned, because thesefour young teenagers are gone
now.
They've lost their life,they've lost the chance to live
(16:10):
a life, and he gets to go tojail and continue living a life
because it's not a great life,it's jail, but like people in
jail.
It's not a great life.
It's jail, but like people injail um, it's not the worst,
depending on where you are,because he can get an education,
he's gonna eat well, he's gonnaexercise like he's gonna, he's
gonna, he's just gonna do it allin one place, right, right, um,
(16:34):
and continue to grow old anddie someday maybe as an elderly,
old man of whatever right.
Yeah, these kids don't get thatopportunity and I just want to
know why, what were you thinkingand why on earth did you decide
to go into that house thatnight and do what you did?
What was the motive?
What was it?
And we'll never know because hegets to say I'm guilty, okay,
(16:58):
you're sentenced to fiveconsecutive life terms.
Bye, we'll see you later andthat's it.
And he sits in prison from nowuntil the day he dies.
And he could die with amaster's degree in criminal
justice.
Like it's not fair, I don'tthink it's fair, and I think
that's what some of the familieshave a problem with and that's
(17:18):
why they think a trial isnecessary, because they want to
know why and the why might comeout in the trial.
It might not, but they wantthat opportunity to see if it
does.
Right's the one thing that I'msure they know, but if he did
(17:43):
get the death penalty it doesn'tmean he's going to die in a
week.
He could be on death row for 30years.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
And that sucks too right.
So I was talking to Gary theother day and I'm like why on
earth, if someone literallybrutally kills someone, rape
someone, whatever they do,that's so bad and they get
sentenced to the death penalty.
They took that person's lifeinstantly.
(18:10):
Why can't their death penaltysentence happen instantly?
Like you get the death penaltynext week, you're going to death
period.
Done, that's it.
Why do they put death rowinmates on death row for 20
years or more?
Why, like I don't understandwhy.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I haven't gotten to that chapter in my law book yet,
but as soon as my professorgets to that I will circle back
and give you an answer.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Okay, yeah, because I think it should happen
immediately.
Just like those people's livesended immediately, your life
needs to end immediately.
I hope it's like an eye for aneye type thing.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
No eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
No, no, I mean okay, sit on death row for a week and
sit there and anticipate thefact that you're going to die
next week and think on that,think, stew in that and then get
led to that gas chamber andyou're gone.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I think it's a waste of time and resources and money
to have people sitting on deathrow for 20 years.
I don't understand it.
And it's still not closure forthe family, because now this guy
says found guilty, death row.
Now the family is waiting foryears and years and years to
watch this guy suffer that fateand some people will die not
(19:25):
ever getting to see that.
So either way, it's not a goodending, I think.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, I completely agree.
It's not good at all.
But part of the plea deal washe can't profit off of the
murders and the deaths of thosechildren.
He um cannot give anyinterviews, nothing, almost like
a gag order.
But it's different, because nowhe's convicted and whatever.
(19:51):
There's a different term for itum but very similar to a gag
order.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, right, so it's still very unfair and again,
very, very, very sad, like verysad, but, and I think at this
point the house has beendemolished, right, didn't they
tear it down?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
That was a good choice.
Whoever decided that thatshould happen?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I couldn't imagine like renting that place out
again for college students.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
No, or anybody living there or anything like, or just
having it sit there as areminder constantly what
happened?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, very strange Nope, yeah, yeah.
So that's that's, that's a goodthing.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Very strange.
Nope, yeah, yeah.
So that's that's, that's a goodthing.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So yeah, I don't know .
There's just a lot of legalstuff going on and I, my plate
is full and I'm exhausted.
Yeah, this is just you know.
You know gotta keep doing thislegal research.
You know gotta keep our brainsharp here.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, speaking of which, I just heard from our
paralegal that apparently deathsentences are always
automatically appealed, so thatdelays the process.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
OK, thank you, miss Paralegal.
Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Courts are also overloaded, don't care.
Yeah, that's not an excuse.
And then there's always issueson how executions are carried
out, and that also leads tochallenges and delays.
Also, don't give a fuck yeah.
No, that's a bunch of bullshittoo, yeah so there's no good
(21:36):
reason why people live on deathrow for eons, shit too, yeah, so
there's no good reason whypeople live on death row for
eons.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, that's, that's a bunch of crap.
Yeah, it really is like you gotsentenced to death.
You committed a crime, it wasproven, you don't get an appeal,
you don't?
You don't, you know cross, whatis it?
You go and collect, go past, goand collect 200, like in the
monopoly.
No, nothing like you, just goright to jail.
you go right to your death rowchair and you're done.
Go and collect, go past, go andcollect $200 in the Monopoly.
(22:01):
No, nothing Like you.
Just go right to jail.
You go right to your death rowchair and you're done Like
goodbye.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Stop wasting fucking taxpayer money here Like it's
crazy, crazy, and it's, it'sexpensive Jail prison is a
fucking business, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, yeah, the money that lawyers get paid what, oh
my God, I don't even know.
I don't even know.
The money that lawyers get paidis crazy, it's just crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I know, as a fake lawyer I don't make that much
and I'm not happy.
So I need to become a reallawyer, I guess someday.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah, we need to like try to profit on all this fake
commentary and all this umeverybody legal, um yeah, stuff
we need to.
We need to figure that out.
How do we try to profit on allthis on our, you know, legal
(22:52):
analysis?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
analysis yeah that's amazing.
Yeah, um, let's talk aboutkelly fitzsimmons.
Oh, I heard that you know somedetails and I I've been loosely
following this one because youknow it's not my case, so I'm
not really like in the thick ofit, but I'm still following it
well, as much as I have going on.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I did take this on, so I can, you know, give you
some insight.
Okay, so, from what I'mgathering, it's all allegedly Of
course she is a little bit of acuckoo bird.
Okay, apparently she's had somemental health issues in the
(23:37):
past.
Apparently she's had somemental health issues in the past
.
She was a correctional officerat one point for a very like six
months or a year a very shortperiod of time Then became a
police officer in North Andoverlast year.
Within the year she was placedon a personal administrative
leave.
(24:02):
That reason hasn't beendisclosed as of yet.
Apparently she was pregnant atone point she and the fiance
were a couple.
Then had some issues.
They had been on vacation.
(24:22):
Where were they on vacation?
I can't remember, it might havebeen cape or florida, or
something.
She had assaulted him duringthe vacation.
Um, up at some point lastsaturday they had an altercation
in the home.
Um, on Monday she was servedwith the restraining order.
The fiance is a North Andoverfirefighter.
(24:46):
Yeah, she had the baby, sincein between all this she had a
boy, she had a son and at somepoint before she had her son she
had a mental breakdown, hadthreatened to kill herself and
the child once the child wasborn and then, after the child
(25:06):
was born, she suffered frompostpartum depression and there
was a lot of issues between herand the fiance again, which led
to a huge altercation at theirhouse on Saturday.
Then he went and filed arestraining order.
Monday night it was served bythree of her fellow officers.
(25:31):
When you're served a restrainingorder, you automatically have
to forfeit any firearms weaponsyou have in the home and during
that process they wereapparently escorting her to get
whatever firearms or whatevershe had in the home.
And an altercation, somethinghappened and one of the officers
(25:52):
ended up firing his weapon.
We don't know where she wasshot yet, it hasn't been made
public.
We know that she's in stablecondition and she's still
hospitalized.
Don't know where the child is,Assuming he's with the fiance,
Assuming the fiance is not inthe home.
And that's all I got right now.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
And this is reminiscent of something that we
were talking about in aprevious episode, and I can't
remember exactly what it was,but this is where I struggle
with police getting involved inmental health issues, because
what I'm hearing is this poorwoman had been suffering and
(26:38):
then this happens, and I don'tthink that police are fully
equipped to deal with a womangoing through postpartum
depression, which can last avery long time, for whatever
reason.
When her government issuedweapon was taken away, it was
just given back to her in June,last month it was just given
(27:00):
back to her.
I'm sure had to have undergonesome sort of evaluation and even
then they thought it was okayto give her a gun back, like I.
Just I think there's such alapse in so many missed
opportunities to prevent thisfrom happening.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Well, here's the thing, and here's where the
problem could possibly be.
You can fake your way through apsych evaluation.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
You can.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
You can and I know this to be 1000% the truth
unless you're really off yourrocker and you're nearly unless
you're severely mentally ill,unless you're severely mentally
ill, like really fucked up.
If you can hold it together forthat hour you're with a mental
health person, you can totallyskate right through the
(27:53):
questions and give them all theright answers and they can deem
you fit for to have yourchildren.
They can deem you fit to haveweapons, they can deem you fit
to live your life like everybodyelse.
But then you have to be.
You have to have thatdiscipline.
And I, for 1000%, know peoplethat are fucking crazy as fuck
(28:15):
but have the discipline and themindset to be able to speak to
people and act like they got itall together.
But then they walk away fromthat person and they're like off
their rocker.
They're just cuckoo Right.
And and I I know people who havetaken a health, mental health
evaluations and pass them withflying colors, but everyone else
(28:38):
around them is like how thatperson's fucking crazy.
Their actions are of a crazyperson, their their thought
process.
Wow, that person's fuckingcrazy, their actions are of a
crazy person, their theirthought process, their, their
words, but yet so it's like isthe therapist fucking crazy?
Or like believing whatever thatperson's, or is that person
really fucking good at fooling atherapist?
They can be, yeah Cause cause alot of these crazy people.
(29:01):
They're like narcissists andthey fucking just.
They just know how.
They know what the, what theright words are and how to get
through one of those things.
And in this case, she probablyis a little bit intelligent and
knew, like, if I want my gunback, I need to fucking keep my
shit together and I need to sayall the right things and I'm
gonna get my gun back.
(29:21):
And boom, she did yeah,absolutely intelligent, because
she's a 28 year old policeofficer, female police officer
at that like there's a lot thatyou have to go through in order
to get to where she is 22universities got you know her
degrees like, yeah, so she'sdefinitely um, intelligent,
(29:43):
intelligent and knows how tonavigate through certain
situations where she was able tolook like and sound like she
was fine and ready to, you know,become back to work and, you
know, do her thing.
And behind the scenes she was afucking basket case.
(30:03):
She was a mess and it'sunfortunate that nobody was able
to catch that.
And now look where we are thisgirl's in the hospital now with
a gunshot wound and probablylose her child, may go to jail.
If she was the one who, who,like, got aggressive with the
police like she could end up inprison, like who knows, who
(30:25):
knows what's going to happenwith this girl at this point?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
now, you know, yeah, especially if her mental state
was already fragile.
Imagine three of your coworkerscoming to your house and
serving you with a restrainingorder.
That must've been sohumiliating for her.
Yeah, and again already in afragile mental state.
If they had made like one offthe mark comment, she could have
(30:48):
fucking snapped.
She could have, because youknow the stereotype is out there
like male cops are assholes,like they're not fucking kind.
So, heaven forbid, one of thethree people that served her the
restraining order was someonethat didn't like her and fucking
poke the bear, yep, yep.
And now she's gonna loseeverything.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
She's going to one of them was a 20-year veteran,
he's a sergeant.
The other one was a rookie andI don't know about the third one
.
So, like he, maybe he was justin between a couple years, I'm
not sure, but there was likethree levels of police there so
you know, you know like you said.
I feel like something may havebeen said that trigger and she
(31:30):
just fucking lost it.
And she was just like fuck youguys, Like you're not coming to
my house, whatever, whatever,and just lost her shit.
Yeah, or maybe they tried totake the child or who knows,
like, who knows, you know, whoknows, yeah, so crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
take the child or who knows like who knows, you know?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
who knows.
Yeah, so greasy and every daylike more stuff is, is, you know
, running more and more everyday.
So you know there's always timefor, like you know, this crime
drama there's always time, it'salways like, especially if it's
like juicy like oh 100 yeah,yeah, you just gotta carve out
that time to do some littleinvestigating, some little fake
investigating.
(32:04):
You know done and done for sure,for sure.
But you know, speaking of crazyum in postpartum depression and
um, all that, um, clancy,lindsey is lindsey clancy, I
believe her name is the womanfrom.
With her the three kids, thatyeah, um she, you know that
(32:26):
she's in took spray statehospital.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yeah, she's always been there.
She's been there since shejumped out the window.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
She's still there she's still there and she went
and did, um, she had a hearinglike a month or so ago and it
was continued again.
Like again her mental health.
Like here's the thing, likeokay, how long is this going to
go on?
For she killed her kids andyeah, she seems she.
She was not in a mental goodstate, she had postpartum
depression, this, that and theother thing, but like somebody
(32:52):
has to pay for that, like rightthis is me a mental hospital all
this time, and what nothinglike.
And the fact that I read anarticle, probably a few months
ago, that her husband ex-husbandprobably.
At this point I don't know, iskind of being supportive and a
little forgiving.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
I think he was from the very beginning.
I remember one of the firststatements he put out was like
don't be so hard on her.
That's crazy yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, that was nuts.
When I read that I was likewait, what yeah happening right
now?
So apparently he moved out ofthe state.
He lives in new york now.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
He doesn't live there anymore but I mean, how could
you?
How could you?
It's gonna consume your life.
Everyone's looking with thatguy and feel sorry for you all
the time.
You're never gonna be able toget past it because people just
pull you back in I have aquestion, though, and this is on
a whole, nother thing.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
This is on the second case we talked about.
Why are people comparing seancombs's case to casey anthony's
case?
I don't know.
I've seen comments aboutanother casey anthony situation
and this and that's like they'retwo totally separate cases.
Yeah, I don't understand.
(34:10):
I thought that was very strange.
And casey anthony, I mean, comeon, that case has been long
gone, forever.
Like why are people even stillbringing that up?
Like even doesn't she do likelegal tiktoks now on legal stuff
?
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I think they um, I think they banned her.
She was, but I think theybanned her good because who is
she to talk about anything?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
right now, like ever in her life, get out of here she
got away with murder.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
She totally did.
Yeah, she has some advice tooffer to fucking crazy people so
didn't oj and look how his fateended up, Guy.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
he died of cancer.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Karma Mm-hmm.
Yep, for sure, I'm trying tofind any TikToks on Sean Combs,
Casey Anthony link.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, it was comments I read online when I was
reading different articles.
I'm like why are peoplecomparing that?
Unless, it's just like somepeople are just weird and they
just make weird comparisons.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
so yeah, I think it's just because.
I think it's mainly justbecause of, like, public
attention.
They're both high profile cases.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, but so was oj oj was like one of the biggest
cases in the freaking world, Ifeel like it's generational.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Like you and I maybe would compare it to OJ, but
someone younger than us wouldcompare him to Casey Anthony.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Okay, yes, that makes sense, right.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
So and the verdict?
The verdicts were both shockingin both cases.
So I could, I could see thatbringing some sort of like
comparison, but other than thatthey're not fucking same.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
No, I mean, they're both weird as hell, but they're
yeah, yeah, totally, totally.
Well, you know, that's all Ihave for um, this edition of um
local crime in our area, kind ofbecause city's not not your but
(36:06):
, oh, no, two of them were.
Two of them were right right,right, right, right.
Um, yeah, I'm gonna continuedoing my fake legal um analysis
and um I I don't have aparalegal, though, and you do,
so you're ahead of the game hereI need to share with you, okay.
So what are we gonna call?
(36:27):
We gotta figure out what we'regonna call our fake law office.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
It's gonna be something really good, like it's
gonna be a really good name.
We're taking a recommendation,so if anyone has recommendations
on our fake law office name,please DM us at.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
No One.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Left Behind Podcast on Instagram Perfect.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
And for now, we will see you next time with some more
fake crime drama.
Well, it's real crime drama,but it's us pretending to know
more than we do, so fake it'sconfusing right you literally
gotta fact check our shit,because we're just giving you
(37:09):
our legal opinion.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Okay, yes, all right, I'm out of here.
All right, peace out.
Bye.
Thank you for joining us onthis wine filled adventure we
would greatly appreciate yoursupport.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Please follow and rate our podcast on apple
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Cheers.
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