July 25, 2025 • 37 mins
Recorded in May. Released today. Some stories don’t age — they deepen.
We’re finally releasing this powerful episode, recorded back in May, but still painfully relevant. From overlooked murder cases to media bias and courtroom chaos, this one digs into the stories that got buried and why.
We start with Evelyn Hernandez, whose disappearance and murder eerily paralleled Laci Peterson’s, yet was barely covered in the press. The difference? Immigration status, race, and class. We break down the disturbing contrast in coverage and what it says about whose lives are deemed “headline-worthy.”
In this long-awaited episode:
- Murder Has Two Faces — how one doc shines a light on Evelyn vs. Laci
- Lori Vallow’s verdict: the twisted overlap of mental illness, motherhood, and crime
- What makes someone capable of cold, calculated manipulation? We go there.
- Diddy’s trial kicks off with courtroom chaos and a media frenzy
- Karen Read’s trial and the surprising loyalty among witnesses
- Real talk: tried collagen supplements and my hair actually noticed?!
This one’s for the true crime junkies, the justice-minded, and anyone who loves a good “how did we miss this?” moment.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hey whiners Alex here .
Please enjoy this previouslyrecorded and unreleased episode
of Stilly and I from a fewmonths ago.
So we might be talking aboutsome topics that are a little
outdated, but nonetheless wehave a good time and we hope
that you do too.
Cheers.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
So, okay, I'm going to start with something I
watched the other day.
Oh okay, I watched a showcalled on hulu, called murder
has two faces.
It's the story about laceypeterson okay okay.
So apparently, um, I was curiousbecause I saw the, just the
picture, like on hulu, and I waslike, oh, it looks like the two
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faces, they both look likeLacey from a distance.
So I was like, oh, I wonder ifshe had a twin, like that's like
what I was thinking.
So, let me, let me check it out.
So it's a quick, like 45 minutedocumentary, almost an hour.
Robin Roberts is the host, okay, and um, she talks to a woman
(01:10):
named evelyn hernandez andapparently, um, evelyn hernandez
, um, was an immigrant.
I think she came from venezuela, I think I believe it was.
Um, her and her friend camehere.
Friend was from guatemala.
They started a life here andeverything else, and a couple of
(01:35):
years after being here, she hadmet this man.
She had a son, a five-year-oldson, and then she had met this
man, um.
Later they had a relationship.
She got pregnant in July of 2002.
The day of her baby shower,four or five days before she was
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supposed to give birth, shewent missing.
She never showed up to her babyshower.
Birth she went missing.
She never showed up to her babyshower.
So, um, couple of months orweeks later, um, they ended up
finding her body, like theyquestioned the boyfriend.
They questioned um a bunch ofpeople that she knew, whatever.
(02:23):
Then, all of a sudden, like theboyfriend like disappeared.
They ended up finding her bodyin the same place where Lacey
Peterson's body was found, buthers was July 2002.
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Lacey Peterson was found Aprilof 2003.
She went missing in December of2002.
So this girl went missing.
They found her body, her head,and her hands and feet were cut
off.
The baby was not found and thefive-year-old boy till this day
(03:06):
has not been found that's crazyright lacy peterson goes missing
in december, christmas eve Ibelieve yeah fast forward, april
In 2003,.
Her body's found same place.
Her son was found first becauseshe was pregnant.
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Her son was found first andthen she was found the next day
no head, no hands, no feet.
Highlights the fact that LaceyPeterson, this white
middle-class woman you know fromthe same place as this woman,
(03:53):
had this whole search party.
It was made national headlineslike everything else and this
other woman who was an immigrant, everything else, and this
other woman who was an immigrantliterally suffered the same
fate that she did and no oneever heard about it.
No one ever knew about it.
It probably made the news paperin that town.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Right yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
That was it.
Like they don't.
They didn't even say if it madethe news in that town.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Crazy, how that happens.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Isn't that crazy though.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Happens all.
I mean you hear it all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
But the fact that these two women and then, if you
, like I said, when you go on,if you click on Hulu and you
look at the picture that theyshow for the advertising for the
, it looks like the same personfrom a distance Same dark hair,
same skin color, almost Like Idon't know, like I don't think
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she was talking about it as likeshe thinks, like it may have
could have been related.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So that's what I was going to say.
Like was the documentary moreso, like she didn't get her fair
share of news coverage.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yes, or were they trying to?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
plant the seeds of like there was a serial killer.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
It was mostly that she didn't get the same coverage
that Lacey had gotten.
But there were some littlehints of you have two pregnant
women that came up in the sameplace in the same fashion, like
nobody's investigating that,like nobody cares, like nobody's
doing anything like.
And now then I, I, so I stoppedlooking into like the Scott
(05:35):
Peterson part of it, because Iknow that he's in prison,
apparently the innocence project, um, like so, after the let me
rewind after the end of thatdocumentary, it was like, if you
have any information on EvelynHernandez and blah blah, blah,
you know the family hopes to atleast find the boy, like the
boys, the baby and the son.
(05:56):
The sister was the, was hersister who was deaf, was
interviewing, and then herfriend, they don't know if, like
the boyfriend, like took thebig, killed her, like took the
baby and took the son and tookoff because he's nowhere to be
found now, like he justdisappeared off the face of the
earth, the guy that she wasdating, the baby daddy, yeah, so
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then I'm, I'm like, okay, sothen that's how it ended.
Like you know, if you, ifanybody out there, has any
information, has heard the story, whatever, um, so I, I start
reading about scott peterson.
Apparently the innocenceproject picked up his case, they
are reviewing it and they'rethey're trying to get an appeal,
like, to get like a, an appealfor a new trial or something,
(06:42):
because they feel like he isinnocent.
Now I feel like thisdocumentary might shift things
because, think about it, if someinterested law enforcement
person says, wow, these twowomen were killed the same exact
way, found the same area, like,and this one got highlighted,
(07:03):
but this one didn't, what's?
and you know they're saying it'sbecause she was an immigrant
and, yeah, nobody, nobodylistened to them and her sister
was deaf when and she reportedit and she felt like the police
weren't really giving her thetime of day.
They.
They felt like maybe she wasn'tgetting all the information
(07:24):
across because she was deaf andmaybe they weren't you know
translating it properly like itwas like a whole thing, but it
was just crazy how same exactsituation.
One was an american woman andthe other one was an immigrant
woman from venezuela and theygot two different.
They handled them bothcompletely different.
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One got all the attention andthe other one got nothing.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Crazy.
This is something that we haveto follow, because I mean, how
crazy would it be if that poorwoman didn't get any media
coverage?
Yet her death helps another guyget out of jail.
Like what?
The fuck?
Right, right, crazy, yep, yep,okay.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
So I was just like holy shit.
So I'm going to, I'm going tokeep an eye, I'm going to keep
like every now and then I'm justgoing to Google the whole thing
and see if, like, anythingcomes up from it.
Just like, remember we weretalking about Lori Vallow.
Yeah, she just was found guiltyfor Thank God For not killing
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her ex-husband, but she likekind of organized it or whatever
to her brother, her brother didit, yeah, yeah but like she was
found guilty, do you know thatding dong represented herself?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I wouldn't doubt it she's, she's really like crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
She's like he's really crazy she needs to be in
a fucking straight jacket in amental hospital.
Forget about prison.
I think don't waste prisonbecause she's gonna like I don't
even know, I don't know howshe's in prison, obviously, but
like she needs to be in a mentalinstitution, heavily sedated
because she's batshit crazy sucha good point.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
because where do they draw the line?
Because she obviously, like yousaid, orchestrated like a lot
of things.
She had a lot of influence, shewas very manipulative but at
the same time was like verymentally unwell.
So like, where do you draw the?
Line between, likehospitalization and jail right.
(09:46):
I think she needs both.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Right, she, she does deserve to be in prison, but at
the same time, she is usingreligion to cover her mental.
You know her craziness.
So that's that's where I thinkyou.
Okay, so you think that youknow people are dark and need to
be killed?
Okay, you, you need to go to acrazy hospital, because that's
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crazy, that's like, that'sinsanity, and even the way she
speaks she doesn't, even shedoesn't speak like a normal
person.
She doesn't even speak like anormal person.
She speaks like she smiles, shelaughs, she's so happy, she's,
she's crazy.
She wears red lipstick in courtlike she's going to a, like a,
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like a party there's a.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
There's a new movie on amazon oh my god, hold on.
Uh, it's like penny, somethingwith john lithgow.
Uh, it is like the girl, therole of jenny penn.
It's literally describinglaurie vallow to a t, really
yeah it's so weird spoiler alertdoesn't have a very good ending
(10:57):
, but like it's a good movie towatch because it's just so
fucking un, it is, yeah, hingedthat's crazy but again, it's one
of those things where it's likea crazy person who probably
maybe should be in jail ends upin a mental institution but like
still does crazy ass shit right.
(11:17):
So it's like, what do you dowith these people?
I know when you draw the lineand like how do you know what to
do and what not to do?
And they're still going to becrazy.
They're still going to be crazyand they're still going to be
sociopaths.
There's no right or wronganswer.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I think she should have got the death penalty for
all her crimes he did, thehusband did, that's what he
deserved?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
is she being charged in like multiple states or just
one?
Yes, two, I believe utah andarizona I wonder if they both
have death penalties well, shedidn't get the death penalty in
either state.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
She just got life and sent life without parole.
He got the death penaltybecause they proved that he
killed his wife and kids, whichis she didn't actually kill
anyone.
She just planned and manipulatedeveryone into doing all those
things for her.
See, imagine, her brotherkilled her ex-husband, her
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husband, her husband, chaddaybell, killed his wife and her
two kids.
She, she, literally.
I don't think she killed anyone, I think she just was the
mastermind behind it all.
And she, oh and she, she um,did like social security fraud
because she was still collectingthe kids checks after they
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passed away.
Yeah, so she got in trouble forthat.
She got, you know, convicted ofthat, like I don't know, it was
just crazy, it was just thecraziest thing.
So I'm I think it's over forher.
I think I don't think there'sany more trials or anything left
for her.
She's done people do with soit's like she'll have to serve
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time in one spot, then once thattime's over, she'll have to go
to the other spot and serve time, I guess.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
But like it'll never happen.
If she has a life in one place,it's gonna be there, yeah, yeah
, so like it's like the twostates have to be like oh, do
you want her?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
because whoever gets her is, we're gonna have her for
life.
So they just have to decide whowants to deal with her crazy
ass for the next 30 years and 40years, however long she lives.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I just don't understand.
I wish I could talk to like aneurologist, because I would
love to know, like how certainpeople's minds just one work
that way to where they canmanipulate people to do shit
like that, or even like ponzischemes and stuff, or you can
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manipulate people to like investmoney or believe in your
business and all of these things, yeah, but then, on the flip
side, be so gullible to murderpeople on someone else's behalf,
to invest money on someone'sgood authority or not such good
authority, but whatever.
Like what the fuck?
(14:08):
Like I, I just want to be homeall day.
I don't want to talk to anyone,right?
I don't?
Yeah, I have such fuckingsocial anxiety.
Like it is so bad, like it isso bad in my good old age.
Like fuck everything, I justwant to be home and in my close
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little circle, in my littlebubble.
Anything outside of that likeno, it makes me nervous for no
good reason.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Like it just makes me nervous.
I have my fun.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So it's like how the fuck do these people go beyond
having like a normal job, afunctioning life, to just doing
like this outlandish fuckingstuff?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
It's because it's a full-time job.
That's your daily day.
You wake up in the morning, youspend the entire day
manipulating, trying to do allthese things being calculated.
You know what I mean?
Like figuring out, like you gotto spend hours on this shit and
then you go to bed at night.
You wake up the next day.
You got to do it and you got tokeep going, depending on how
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big or small the con is or thesituation is, or whatever.
Right, like, yeah, you put alot of time.
This is this is like.
I don't even think this ladyworked, worked.
I think that's all she did waslike spend her days like just
scamming people.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Oh, if that was me, I would just be on my couch like
fucking peggy bundy eating bun.
Fucking bonbons, yeah I'm.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I don't have the bandwidth to try and figure out
or want to manipulate or becalculated.
It's just listen.
I say this is what it is sorry.
Whatever, I don't care like Ijust I don't have the time for
that shit.
I don't have the.
My brain is just it's no, Ijust don't have it, I just can't
.
It's crazy.
(15:54):
It is crazy, but that's whatcrazy is right, that's what
crazy is okay.
Clearly we're not that crazy.
We don't want to spend our dayslike like fucking planning
devious shit.
You know like okay, I just wantto get up and do what I need to
do and come home and chill likesee, see my good friends on the
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weekends if I can, and and justthat's it.
Like just, I don't want to belike doing all that shit.
It's too much.
Imagine just.
You know what I think justthinking about it makes me tired
.
Imagine the the you know,imagine how like exhaust the
exhaustion it caused like oh mygod, because you know what they
(16:41):
say when it's like you getmentally exhausted and you can
have physically exhausted, right.
So when you're, when you'reworking all day and you're in
front of a computer and you'reyou're dealing with stuff and
you're reading stuff in yourmeetings, now your brain is just
spent.
You're fricking exhausted, youjust and you didn't lift a
(17:01):
finger.
You typed a couple of things,right, you go out in the world,
you're.
You're freaking exhausted, youjust, and you didn't lift a
finger.
You typed a couple things right.
You go out in the world, you're, you're a tradesman and you're
working your ass off.
You come home you're wickedtired, your body hurts but your
brain's like, oh, let's fuckingright.
So, oh, my god, it's, it's,it's either one or the other.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I am not physically tired, I'm mentally tired all
the time, all the time, all thetime yeah, last friday night, so
like it was a friday, obviously, so like I worked all day after
work did whatever I did here atthe house to fly a little work.
After that drove to phil'shouse.
Yeah, from phil's house, alittle bit chit chat from there,
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went out to dinner, had dinnerafter that driving back to his
house and he was like, oh, it'slike you're so quiet, like are
you okay?
Like what do you want?
I was like I just want fuckingquiet.
I'm fucking overstimulated,like I'm on go since fucking 6
am.
Can there just be quiet fromthe restaurant to your house?
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And he, he was like okay, okay,okay.
I'm literally in the car like Ican't fucking do this anymore,
like I can't.
I've been doing this all day.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Oh my God, you're crazy, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
You talk about capacity, like I have so fucking
little and I do a whole lot.
I don't do a lot, but like mycapacity meter is, or threshold
is, fucking low I feel like theolder we get, the less bandwidth
we have.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
my God, it's so where it's so bad.
How crazy is this.
And I shouldn't even admit thislike out loud, but I'm going to
because people are gonna likeprobably take advantage of it.
I was.
This is how little braincapacity I have.
Okay, little brain capacity Ihave.
Okay, I was driving to.
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Lawrence the other day to do aworkshop.
I got there, I did my workshop,I get in my car, I start to
drive home.
I forgot which way I took toget there.
I'm not kidding, I'm drivingdown the road and I'm like wait,
did I get on the highway?
(19:22):
Did I take 110?
Did I?
What fucking way did I?
How the fuck did I get here?
Like how?
I mean, I know how I got there,I drove there, obviously Right.
But I'm like I forgot whichroute I took to get there.
And I'm driving and I'm like,and then I get back on the
highway and it hit me oh, that'sright, you got on at the low
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connector.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Because, like you were saying earlier, like you're
just on, go and most of thethings that we do, because it's
like pretty much like looselyroutine, like it's just muscle
memory, like okay, I know wherethis is, I know I have to go
there.
I'm just going to go Like it'sjust muscle memory, like okay, I
know where this is, I know Ihave to go there, I'm just going
to go, like it's just musclememory, yeah.
But then when you go out ofthat, you're like wait, what?
Where am I?
How did I get here?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
What day is it?
That's what's happening to me.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
It's so hard.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
It was crazy.
I was like what is happeningright now?
It was crazy.
So anyhow, in other news, thediddy trial has started and it's
already like a fucking circus.
Okay, it's already like acircus I know it's this how
(20:40):
about I don't even, I didn'teven I read that.
I read the headline and Ididn't even read the article
because the headline likeannoyed me.
Yeah, first day the judge wasmaking jokes about all his names
yeah so like, why, if the judgeis already so like, why are we
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doing this?
Yeah, like, let the guy go andlet's stop with the bullshit.
Like, so we're gonna go throughthis whole thing.
And it seems like the judge ismaking jokes.
He's already given mark garagosfucking warnings.
He told him.
He told him he was going tolisten to his two angry men
podcast every single week tomake sure he's not saying
(21:22):
anything inappropriate orwhatever.
I don't know, but it doesn'tseem.
It seems like the judge hasalready decided.
I don't know.
He's been all over the process,all over the fence.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I don't know.
It's just so frustratingbecause these are like very
serious allegations, yes, butlike diddy, in his nature he's
an entertainer.
So you would hope that you'dget like a very strict, like
narrow-minded or notnarrow-minded I guess can't be
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that as a judge.
But like you know what I meanlike by the book judge.
No, this is like a very newyork posturing, excited to have
like the ditty trial judge.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
So yeah it's absolutely gonna be a fun circus
yeah, yeah, it's already, it'salready starting and it's day
three.
A fucking circus.
Yeah, yeah, it's already.
It's already starting and it'sday three.
Yep, I don't know.
So we'll see where that goes.
I'm not really gonna follow it.
I mean, if I see somethingcrazy pop up on social media,
I'll give it a glance, but I'mnot following it.
Like the karen reed trial, I amdude, I'm obsessed, obsessed.
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I can't get.
I listen to that thing everysingle moment that I can.
You don't understand.
I'll be sitting at my desk.
I got my one earbud in and I'mdoing my work.
My manager will come over.
She'll go what are you doing?
And I'm like nothing.
What are you doing?
And she'll look at my phone.
She'll go watching Karen read.
I'm like nothing.
What are you doing?
And she'll look at my phone.
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She'll go watching Karen read.
I'm not watching, I go.
I'm listening, listening, but Ionly have one earbud so I can
hear you too.
What's up?
You know right um, I listen toit in my car.
I I just I can't get enough ofit and I get annoyed when they
every like when.
So sometimes, when I'm in ameeting or I'm doing something,
(23:24):
I can't go on Right, right and Ifeel like every time I get a
chance to go on, they're onfucking break.
They take more breaks than anytrial I've ever heard of, ever
in my life and I'm like oh myGod, they're at lunch break,
(23:46):
they're they're at lunch break.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
They're at morning break.
They're at afternoon break.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I'm like what the fuck?
What is this?
A fucking union or what like,because they take 100 fucking
breaks a day?
I literally cannot get overthis.
Like I just can't.
I'm obsessed with it.
And today was day 11 for thetrial.
Like we're we're, it's gettingclose.
We probably got another weekand a half yeah, yeah, it won't
go much longer now no, at leasta week and a half.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I was in market basket the other day and someone
had on a black t-shirt with afan on the t-shirt and it was
kind of like, if you know, youknow, and I saw the fan and I
was like that that's the fanfrom the Karen Reed fucking
courthouse.
It's amazing, but it's true.
Like it's one of those thingswhere, like, if you're not
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following, like you'd have noidea, you'd be like why does
this person have a fan on theirshirt?
Like right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Every time they, every time the camera goes off,
it goes to the fan, yeah.
And then people will comment ohthe fan's going so slow, oh the
fan's going fast today, All ofit.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
It is.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, it is crazy.
There was a girl on the standyesterday who was a friend of
the family's for like ever.
It's a friend of Albert's sonwhere the whole thing took place
and she like apparently hasn'tworked since it happened and she
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has PTSD and all this stuff andlike she was talking like this.
I'm like how can they havesomeone like that on the stand
and be a witness, like howclearly her, her, her mental
state is not okay?
And they have this girl on thestand like trying to recount
something that happened threeyears ago, like what no yeah,
(25:39):
yeah, she was a witness for theprosecution.
I think the prosecution's likewe'll take anybody at this point
.
We just gotta.
We just gotta convict.
We just gotta convict thisbitch.
We don't care who it is like.
If they could find the dog andhe could talk, they'd probably
fucking put the dog on the stand, like that's how crazy it is
more crazy, yeah.
So yeah, I'm.
I don't know Another week and ahalf or so and we'll find out
(26:04):
what the verdict is, hopefullyIf she's found guilty.
Holy cow, that would be crazy.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
You know what I really hope.
First of all, I don't thinkshe's guilty.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I don't think she's guilty there.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
She's not found guilty for the simple fact that
she will appeal this, and thenwe're never going to hear the
end of it Like it's going tokeep going.
Yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
This is not going to end unless she wins.
Absolutely I don't know who'sfunding this.
She has a donate to Karen Reedfund, the Karen Reed fund thing.
You can donate to it.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
No, fun fact fun thing you can donate to it.
No fun fact my an old highschool friend of mine, her
stepdaughter just graduated fromnursing school somewhere in
boston, I forget which school.
Um, and they took her to theseaport after her college
graduation.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yes, she was there last friday.
Karen reed took a picture withthem.
No way, I wish I could get mypicture taken with her.
I don't, I'm not like I.
She's not a likable person, shereally isn't.
She's the way she speaks andlike, but like I.
Just she's so famous for thisand it's just so crazy that I'm
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so obsessed with it.
And I, I was kind of.
I was like she was in the samepoint, like what, greg Hill was
there interviewing with her,chatting with her.
Her lawyers were all there andI saw the TMZ thing where she
was like taking pictures ofpeople and she didn't say no to
anybody, she, everybody whowanted the picture.
She was like okay, oh, my god,I'll tell you right now, if
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she's found not guilty, she'sgonna end up with like a movie,
like movies, like, yeah, this isgoing to be like craziness,
yeah, but I don't know.
And I guess Turtle Boy AidenCarney I think his name is Aiden
something he's been doing likestuff, but he has to be very
(28:03):
careful because he's a witnessand he's not really supposed to
talk about the case, but he'sdoing things in such a fashion
where he's getting around allthe legal loopholes.
Yeah, yeah, but I don't know wegot a free.
Karen read somehow.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, she didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
No no way, I'm that guy in the garage.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I'm convinced Happened in the garage.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
You know what I think ?
I think they killed him and youknow, because everybody that
left the house that night thatwas there is on the stand.
Everybody drove by the flagpolewhere his body was.
Everybody had to drive by theflagpole to leave.
Nobody saw the body.
I think what happened was theyprobably didn't see the body and
(28:51):
here's why I think they allleft and after they left, a few
stayed behind and then moved thebody.
So then once everyone was gone,no one could say they saw the
body because technically wasn'tthere yet.
That's what I think, yep, so Ithink they all knew what
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happened.
They were on the house.
They probably knew there was afight and the dog was attacked,
him and everything else.
But, I don't think theyprobably put him outside right
away.
I think they wanted to waitoutside right away.
I think they wanted to wait foreverybody to leave so they could
literally get on the stand andsay I didn't see the body it
wasn't there when I drove bywasn't there when I drove by,
because it probably wasn't rightit was, it was probably that
(29:37):
they moved him there aftereveryone almost everyone was
gone so crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
That's what I think so crazy.
I find this so fascinating andthis is so awful.
Like lord, please don't be madat me.
This is so morbid, but I findthis so fascinating that not one
person has fucking snitched.
No one person I know I wasthinking that the other day not
(30:06):
even one of them has like passedaway at this point because it's
been a lot of years removed now.
Someone would like died from adrug overdose, tried died from
like suicide yep, everyone isalive.
No one's fucking talking.
Everyone is sticking to theirstory.
Yep, at the end of school, moreor less from day one, yeah, no
(30:27):
one is fucking snitching, no oneis saying that really happened.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
No, and if and if they're.
And here's the thing, if they,and here's the thing, now
they're at a point where, like,when the prosecution interviews
them, oh they, they sayeverything exactly the way they
said it.
But then when her attorneys getup there, I don't recall, I
don't remember, that's all I canremember to the best of my Like
(30:52):
, what, and that's okay, thejudge is okay with that.
No, that's not okay.
Like you remembered what theprosecution was asking you, but
now the defense attorneys get upthere, oh, I don't recall, I
don't know.
I was traumatized.
Such bullshit, man, so weird,it is crazy.
But, like you said to yourpoint, not one person, nothing,
(31:16):
nope, nope.
And not a lot of people wereinvolved.
So it's hard to believe not oneof them.
I don't know, maybe that girlwas so fucked up because she's
just like, has to be, or elseshe's gonna be the one to
fucking snitch I don't know yeahyeah, yeah, so crazy yeah, and
(31:36):
that was the thing she.
She was on the stand because sheher.
The whole reason for having herthere was because she said that
she had known the family.
She knew cousins of the family,she knew relatives of the
family, everything, and in allthe years she knew those people
and had been to their house.
She said over a hundred timesshe never met the dog.
And the point was, the pointwas, every single person who has
(32:01):
an animal, unless it's aservice, you wouldn't meet a
service animal.
Right, they can only be withthe owner.
They can't be with strangersand be friendly with strangers.
But every other person on theplanet that has a dog at some
point or another when people goover their house, eventually
I've even met your dog and I'vemet your dog a couple times.
(32:21):
I've been to your house.
I can never say I've ever evenmet your dog and I've met your
dog a couple times.
I've been to your house.
I can never say I've ever beento your house, never seen your
dog.
I can never say that this girlhas known these people most of
her life, been to their houseover 100 times, knows all their
relatives and has never met thedog.
So his point was this dog was avicious animal and could not be
around people.
So they would.
(32:42):
When people would come over,they would lock the dog away
because the dog was vicious,because why else would this girl
have met that dog?
Right, it was very strange.
It was a really good line ofquestioning because it it showed
like something was happeningwhere you know.
So I don't know, it's crazy.
But yeah, I'm, I'm all over it.
(33:06):
I'm all over it yeah, we shouldhave.
We should start having you dolike uh little instagram lives,
your little instagram stories oh, speaking of that, real quick,
before we end, I have to startdoing Instagram posts and stuff
(33:30):
for that collagen, that peptide.
You know that blue?
It's in the blue thing that, um, jennifer aniston used to do
commercials for.
Yes, yes, yep so I have tostart doing um some advertising
(33:50):
commercials and like some uminstagram posts on that yeah
because I used to drink it everysingle day and my hair, my gray
, is growing at like rapid speed.
I should be going to thehairdresser like every four to
(34:12):
six weeks to get my color, maybeeight.
I'm there every three weeks nowand we we went around in
circles, around in circles.
We all three of us chalked itup to the collagen that I was
taking every day.
Was it makes your hair grow?
It's good for your skin, yournails, right?
(34:33):
They're like you need to do.
You need to fucking reach outto them, be a fucking sponsor
for them.
They're like your hair'sgrowing at rapid speed, like my
hair is so long and and and itit grows out so fast and it's so
like thick it.
I, I, I know it's the collagenhas to be.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I don't take anything else do it, because a lot of
people are taking thatneutrophil neutrophils.
I take it from the world I take, so my turmeric, but that ain't
fucking doing shit.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
I don't know what the fuck that's doing.
I just take it becauseeverybody says it's good to take
anyways, whatever.
And I never started takingmagnesium, by the way, because I
can't find the magnesium that Ineed to take.
And I did talk to my doctor.
He told me magnesium oxide, butI don't, can't find magnesium
oxide, I find every otherfricking magnesium.
Then he told me it's not goodto take too much magnesium.
(35:29):
So I just put the kibosh on itall together and I'm not even
going to bother with it.
So he put me onto turmeric andI've been taking turmeric pill
every day now along with mycollagen.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
So he said, if I'm going fucking turn orange.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I'm gonna be pissed if I turn orange I'll just throw
a mega hat on and fucking oh mygosh yeah, so that's it, that's
all I got, I'm fucking onturmeric, I gave up on the uh
(36:04):
magnesium and I want a freekaren reed and oh, I gotta start
.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I gotta start these ads for college, for that
collagen, because it works, itfucking works, telling you right
now I'm proof, my hair is proofyou have to start like taking
pictures too, so you can showlike before and afters.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, yeah, like like when I get my color and then
like fucking two days later,like, look, I got gray again.
I'm telling you it's crazy.
So that's what, that's what theme, katie and Sam, that's what
we chalked it up to collagen.
So now I cut back on it.
I only do it twice a weekbecause I don't need this gray
(36:45):
growing in like that crazy fast.
No, no, no, no so anywho girl,all right.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Well, we'll wrap this up.
Oh, it's 8 o'clock, perfecttiming.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Survivor just started oh, happy Mother's Day everyone
, by the way, coming soon happyMother's Day, but happy early
Mother's Day when you listen tothis.
Everyone beautiful cheers peaceout.
Hey whiners Alex here .
Please enjoy this previouslyrecorded and unreleased episode
of Stilly and I from a fewmonths ago.
So we might be talking aboutsome topics that are a little
outdated, but nonetheless wehave a good time and we hope
that you do too.
Cheers.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
So, okay, I'm going to start with something I
watched the other day.
Oh okay, I watched a showcalled on hulu, called murder
has two faces.
It's the story about laceypeterson okay okay.
So apparently, um, I was curiousbecause I saw the, just the
picture, like on hulu, and I waslike, oh, it looks like the two
(00:49):
faces, they both look likeLacey from a distance.
So I was like, oh, I wonder ifshe had a twin, like that's like
what I was thinking.
So, let me, let me check it out.
So it's a quick, like 45 minutedocumentary, almost an hour.
Robin Roberts is the host, okay, and um, she talks to a woman
(01:10):
named evelyn hernandez andapparently, um, evelyn hernandez
, um, was an immigrant.
I think she came from venezuela, I think I believe it was.
Um, her and her friend camehere.
Friend was from guatemala.
They started a life here andeverything else, and a couple of
(01:35):
years after being here, she hadmet this man.
She had a son, a five-year-oldson, and then she had met this
man, um.
Later they had a relationship.
She got pregnant in July of 2002.
The day of her baby shower,four or five days before she was
(01:59):
supposed to give birth, shewent missing.
She never showed up to her babyshower.
Birth she went missing.
She never showed up to her babyshower.
So, um, couple of months orweeks later, um, they ended up
finding her body, like theyquestioned the boyfriend.
They questioned um a bunch ofpeople that she knew, whatever.
(02:23):
Then, all of a sudden, like theboyfriend like disappeared.
They ended up finding her bodyin the same place where Lacey
Peterson's body was found, buthers was July 2002.
(02:43):
Lacey Peterson was found Aprilof 2003.
She went missing in December of2002.
So this girl went missing.
They found her body, her head,and her hands and feet were cut
off.
The baby was not found and thefive-year-old boy till this day
(03:06):
has not been found that's crazyright lacy peterson goes missing
in december, christmas eve Ibelieve yeah fast forward, april
In 2003,.
Her body's found same place.
Her son was found first becauseshe was pregnant.
(03:29):
Her son was found first andthen she was found the next day
no head, no hands, no feet.
Highlights the fact that LaceyPeterson, this white
middle-class woman you know fromthe same place as this woman,
(03:53):
had this whole search party.
It was made national headlineslike everything else and this
other woman who was an immigrant, everything else, and this
other woman who was an immigrantliterally suffered the same
fate that she did and no oneever heard about it.
No one ever knew about it.
It probably made the news paperin that town.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Right yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
That was it.
Like they don't.
They didn't even say if it madethe news in that town.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Crazy, how that happens.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Isn't that crazy though.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Happens all.
I mean you hear it all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
But the fact that these two women and then, if you
, like I said, when you go on,if you click on Hulu and you
look at the picture that theyshow for the advertising for the
, it looks like the same personfrom a distance Same dark hair,
same skin color, almost Like Idon't know, like I don't think
(04:53):
she was talking about it as likeshe thinks, like it may have
could have been related.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So that's what I was going to say.
Like was the documentary moreso, like she didn't get her fair
share of news coverage.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yes, or were they trying to?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
plant the seeds of like there was a serial killer.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
It was mostly that she didn't get the same coverage
that Lacey had gotten.
But there were some littlehints of you have two pregnant
women that came up in the sameplace in the same fashion, like
nobody's investigating that,like nobody cares, like nobody's
doing anything like.
And now then I, I, so I stoppedlooking into like the Scott
(05:35):
Peterson part of it, because Iknow that he's in prison,
apparently the innocence project, um, like so, after the let me
rewind after the end of thatdocumentary, it was like, if you
have any information on EvelynHernandez and blah blah, blah,
you know the family hopes to atleast find the boy, like the
boys, the baby and the son.
(05:56):
The sister was the, was hersister who was deaf, was
interviewing, and then herfriend, they don't know if, like
the boyfriend, like took thebig, killed her, like took the
baby and took the son and tookoff because he's nowhere to be
found now, like he justdisappeared off the face of the
earth, the guy that she wasdating, the baby daddy, yeah, so
(06:18):
then I'm, I'm like, okay, sothen that's how it ended.
Like you know, if you, ifanybody out there, has any
information, has heard the story, whatever, um, so I, I start
reading about scott peterson.
Apparently the innocenceproject picked up his case, they
are reviewing it and they'rethey're trying to get an appeal,
like, to get like a, an appealfor a new trial or something,
(06:42):
because they feel like he isinnocent.
Now I feel like thisdocumentary might shift things
because, think about it, if someinterested law enforcement
person says, wow, these twowomen were killed the same exact
way, found the same area, like,and this one got highlighted,
(07:03):
but this one didn't, what's?
and you know they're saying it'sbecause she was an immigrant
and, yeah, nobody, nobodylistened to them and her sister
was deaf when and she reportedit and she felt like the police
weren't really giving her thetime of day.
They.
They felt like maybe she wasn'tgetting all the information
(07:24):
across because she was deaf andmaybe they weren't you know
translating it properly like itwas like a whole thing, but it
was just crazy how same exactsituation.
One was an american woman andthe other one was an immigrant
woman from venezuela and theygot two different.
They handled them bothcompletely different.
(07:47):
One got all the attention andthe other one got nothing.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Crazy.
This is something that we haveto follow, because I mean, how
crazy would it be if that poorwoman didn't get any media
coverage?
Yet her death helps another guyget out of jail.
Like what?
The fuck?
Right, right, crazy, yep, yep,okay.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
So I was just like holy shit.
So I'm going to, I'm going tokeep an eye, I'm going to keep
like every now and then I'm justgoing to Google the whole thing
and see if, like, anythingcomes up from it.
Just like, remember we weretalking about Lori Vallow.
Yeah, she just was found guiltyfor Thank God For not killing
(08:40):
her ex-husband, but she likekind of organized it or whatever
to her brother, her brother didit, yeah, yeah but like she was
found guilty, do you know thatding dong represented herself?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I wouldn't doubt it she's, she's really like crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
She's like he's really crazy she needs to be in
a fucking straight jacket in amental hospital.
Forget about prison.
I think don't waste prisonbecause she's gonna like I don't
even know, I don't know howshe's in prison, obviously, but
like she needs to be in a mentalinstitution, heavily sedated
because she's batshit crazy sucha good point.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
because where do they draw the line?
Because she obviously, like yousaid, orchestrated like a lot
of things.
She had a lot of influence, shewas very manipulative but at
the same time was like verymentally unwell.
So like, where do you draw the?
Line between, likehospitalization and jail right.
(09:46):
I think she needs both.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Right, she, she does deserve to be in prison, but at
the same time, she is usingreligion to cover her mental.
You know her craziness.
So that's that's where I thinkyou.
Okay, so you think that youknow people are dark and need to
be killed?
Okay, you, you need to go to acrazy hospital, because that's
(10:11):
crazy, that's like, that'sinsanity, and even the way she
speaks she doesn't, even shedoesn't speak like a normal
person.
She doesn't even speak like anormal person.
She speaks like she smiles, shelaughs, she's so happy, she's,
she's crazy.
She wears red lipstick in courtlike she's going to a, like a,
(10:32):
like a party there's a.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
There's a new movie on amazon oh my god, hold on.
Uh, it's like penny, somethingwith john lithgow.
Uh, it is like the girl, therole of jenny penn.
It's literally describinglaurie vallow to a t, really
yeah it's so weird spoiler alertdoesn't have a very good ending
(10:57):
, but like it's a good movie towatch because it's just so
fucking un, it is, yeah, hingedthat's crazy but again, it's one
of those things where it's likea crazy person who probably
maybe should be in jail ends upin a mental institution but like
still does crazy ass shit right.
(11:17):
So it's like, what do you dowith these people?
I know when you draw the lineand like how do you know what to
do and what not to do?
And they're still going to becrazy.
They're still going to be crazyand they're still going to be
sociopaths.
There's no right or wronganswer.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I think she should have got the death penalty for
all her crimes he did, thehusband did, that's what he
deserved?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
is she being charged in like multiple states or just
one?
Yes, two, I believe utah andarizona I wonder if they both
have death penalties well, shedidn't get the death penalty in
either state.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
She just got life and sent life without parole.
He got the death penaltybecause they proved that he
killed his wife and kids, whichis she didn't actually kill
anyone.
She just planned and manipulatedeveryone into doing all those
things for her.
See, imagine, her brotherkilled her ex-husband, her
(12:17):
husband, her husband, chaddaybell, killed his wife and her
two kids.
She, she, literally.
I don't think she killed anyone, I think she just was the
mastermind behind it all.
And she, oh and she, she um,did like social security fraud
because she was still collectingthe kids checks after they
(12:38):
passed away.
Yeah, so she got in trouble forthat.
She got, you know, convicted ofthat, like I don't know, it was
just crazy, it was just thecraziest thing.
So I'm I think it's over forher.
I think I don't think there'sany more trials or anything left
for her.
She's done people do with soit's like she'll have to serve
(13:00):
time in one spot, then once thattime's over, she'll have to go
to the other spot and serve time, I guess.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
But like it'll never happen.
If she has a life in one place,it's gonna be there, yeah, yeah
, so like it's like the twostates have to be like oh, do
you want her?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
because whoever gets her is, we're gonna have her for
life.
So they just have to decide whowants to deal with her crazy
ass for the next 30 years and 40years, however long she lives.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I just don't understand.
I wish I could talk to like aneurologist, because I would
love to know, like how certainpeople's minds just one work
that way to where they canmanipulate people to do shit
like that, or even like ponzischemes and stuff, or you can
(13:46):
manipulate people to like investmoney or believe in your
business and all of these things, yeah, but then, on the flip
side, be so gullible to murderpeople on someone else's behalf,
to invest money on someone'sgood authority or not such good
authority, but whatever.
Like what the fuck?
(14:08):
Like I, I just want to be homeall day.
I don't want to talk to anyone,right?
I don't?
Yeah, I have such fuckingsocial anxiety.
Like it is so bad, like it isso bad in my good old age.
Like fuck everything, I justwant to be home and in my close
(14:29):
little circle, in my littlebubble.
Anything outside of that likeno, it makes me nervous for no
good reason.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Like it just makes me nervous.
I have my fun.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So it's like how the fuck do these people go beyond
having like a normal job, afunctioning life, to just doing
like this outlandish fuckingstuff?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
It's because it's a full-time job.
That's your daily day.
You wake up in the morning, youspend the entire day
manipulating, trying to do allthese things being calculated.
You know what I mean?
Like figuring out, like you gotto spend hours on this shit and
then you go to bed at night.
You wake up the next day.
You got to do it and you got tokeep going, depending on how
(15:12):
big or small the con is or thesituation is, or whatever.
Right, like, yeah, you put alot of time.
This is this is like.
I don't even think this ladyworked, worked.
I think that's all she did waslike spend her days like just
scamming people.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Oh, if that was me, I would just be on my couch like
fucking peggy bundy eating bun.
Fucking bonbons, yeah I'm.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I don't have the bandwidth to try and figure out
or want to manipulate or becalculated.
It's just listen.
I say this is what it is sorry.
Whatever, I don't care like Ijust I don't have the time for
that shit.
I don't have the.
My brain is just it's no, Ijust don't have it, I just can't
.
It's crazy.
(15:54):
It is crazy, but that's whatcrazy is right, that's what
crazy is okay.
Clearly we're not that crazy.
We don't want to spend our dayslike like fucking planning
devious shit.
You know like okay, I just wantto get up and do what I need to
do and come home and chill likesee, see my good friends on the
(16:19):
weekends if I can, and and justthat's it.
Like just, I don't want to belike doing all that shit.
It's too much.
Imagine just.
You know what I think justthinking about it makes me tired
.
Imagine the the you know,imagine how like exhaust the
exhaustion it caused like oh mygod, because you know what they
(16:41):
say when it's like you getmentally exhausted and you can
have physically exhausted, right.
So when you're, when you'reworking all day and you're in
front of a computer and you'reyou're dealing with stuff and
you're reading stuff in yourmeetings, now your brain is just
spent.
You're fricking exhausted, youjust and you didn't lift a
(17:01):
finger.
You typed a couple of things,right, you go out in the world,
you're.
You're freaking exhausted, youjust, and you didn't lift a
finger.
You typed a couple things right.
You go out in the world, you're, you're a tradesman and you're
working your ass off.
You come home you're wickedtired, your body hurts but your
brain's like, oh, let's fuckingright.
So, oh, my god, it's, it's,it's either one or the other.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I am not physically tired, I'm mentally tired all
the time, all the time, all thetime yeah, last friday night, so
like it was a friday, obviously, so like I worked all day after
work did whatever I did here atthe house to fly a little work.
After that drove to phil'shouse.
Yeah, from phil's house, alittle bit chit chat from there,
(17:38):
went out to dinner, had dinnerafter that driving back to his
house and he was like, oh, it'slike you're so quiet, like are
you okay?
Like what do you want?
I was like I just want fuckingquiet.
I'm fucking overstimulated,like I'm on go since fucking 6
am.
Can there just be quiet fromthe restaurant to your house?
(17:59):
And he, he was like okay, okay,okay.
I'm literally in the car like Ican't fucking do this anymore,
like I can't.
I've been doing this all day.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Oh my God, you're crazy, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
You talk about capacity, like I have so fucking
little and I do a whole lot.
I don't do a lot, but like mycapacity meter is, or threshold
is, fucking low I feel like theolder we get, the less bandwidth
we have.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
my God, it's so where it's so bad.
How crazy is this.
And I shouldn't even admit thislike out loud, but I'm going to
because people are gonna likeprobably take advantage of it.
I was.
This is how little braincapacity I have.
Okay, little brain capacity Ihave.
Okay, I was driving to.
(19:02):
Lawrence the other day to do aworkshop.
I got there, I did my workshop,I get in my car, I start to
drive home.
I forgot which way I took toget there.
I'm not kidding, I'm drivingdown the road and I'm like wait,
did I get on the highway?
(19:22):
Did I take 110?
Did I?
What fucking way did I?
How the fuck did I get here?
Like how?
I mean, I know how I got there,I drove there, obviously Right.
But I'm like I forgot whichroute I took to get there.
And I'm driving and I'm like,and then I get back on the
highway and it hit me oh, that'sright, you got on at the low
(19:44):
connector.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Because, like you were saying earlier, like you're
just on, go and most of thethings that we do, because it's
like pretty much like looselyroutine, like it's just muscle
memory, like okay, I know wherethis is, I know I have to go
there.
I'm just going to go Like it'sjust muscle memory, like okay, I
know where this is, I know Ihave to go there, I'm just going
to go, like it's just musclememory, yeah.
But then when you go out ofthat, you're like wait, what?
Where am I?
How did I get here?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
What day is it?
That's what's happening to me.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
It's so hard.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
It was crazy.
I was like what is happeningright now?
It was crazy.
So anyhow, in other news, thediddy trial has started and it's
already like a fucking circus.
Okay, it's already like acircus I know it's this how
(20:40):
about I don't even, I didn'teven I read that.
I read the headline and Ididn't even read the article
because the headline likeannoyed me.
Yeah, first day the judge wasmaking jokes about all his names
yeah so like, why, if the judgeis already so like, why are we
(21:01):
doing this?
Yeah, like, let the guy go andlet's stop with the bullshit.
Like, so we're gonna go throughthis whole thing.
And it seems like the judge ismaking jokes.
He's already given mark garagosfucking warnings.
He told him.
He told him he was going tolisten to his two angry men
podcast every single week tomake sure he's not saying
(21:22):
anything inappropriate orwhatever.
I don't know, but it doesn'tseem.
It seems like the judge hasalready decided.
I don't know.
He's been all over the process,all over the fence.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I don't know.
It's just so frustratingbecause these are like very
serious allegations, yes, butlike diddy, in his nature he's
an entertainer.
So you would hope that you'dget like a very strict, like
narrow-minded or notnarrow-minded I guess can't be
(22:01):
that as a judge.
But like you know what I meanlike by the book judge.
No, this is like a very newyork posturing, excited to have
like the ditty trial judge.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
So yeah it's absolutely gonna be a fun circus
yeah, yeah, it's already, it'salready starting and it's day
three.
A fucking circus.
Yeah, yeah, it's already.
It's already starting and it'sday three.
Yep, I don't know.
So we'll see where that goes.
I'm not really gonna follow it.
I mean, if I see somethingcrazy pop up on social media,
I'll give it a glance, but I'mnot following it.
Like the karen reed trial, I amdude, I'm obsessed, obsessed.
(22:43):
I can't get.
I listen to that thing everysingle moment that I can.
You don't understand.
I'll be sitting at my desk.
I got my one earbud in and I'mdoing my work.
My manager will come over.
She'll go what are you doing?
And I'm like nothing.
What are you doing?
And she'll look at my phone.
She'll go watching Karen read.
I'm like nothing.
What are you doing?
And she'll look at my phone.
(23:03):
She'll go watching Karen read.
I'm not watching, I go.
I'm listening, listening, but Ionly have one earbud so I can
hear you too.
What's up?
You know right um, I listen toit in my car.
I I just I can't get enough ofit and I get annoyed when they
every like when.
So sometimes, when I'm in ameeting or I'm doing something,
(23:24):
I can't go on Right, right and Ifeel like every time I get a
chance to go on, they're onfucking break.
They take more breaks than anytrial I've ever heard of, ever
in my life and I'm like oh myGod, they're at lunch break,
(23:46):
they're they're at lunch break.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
They're at morning break.
They're at afternoon break.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I'm like what the fuck?
What is this?
A fucking union or what like,because they take 100 fucking
breaks a day?
I literally cannot get overthis.
Like I just can't.
I'm obsessed with it.
And today was day 11 for thetrial.
Like we're we're, it's gettingclose.
We probably got another weekand a half yeah, yeah, it won't
go much longer now no, at leasta week and a half.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I was in market basket the other day and someone
had on a black t-shirt with afan on the t-shirt and it was
kind of like, if you know, youknow, and I saw the fan and I
was like that that's the fanfrom the Karen Reed fucking
courthouse.
It's amazing, but it's true.
Like it's one of those thingswhere, like, if you're not
(24:31):
following, like you'd have noidea, you'd be like why does
this person have a fan on theirshirt?
Like right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Every time they, every time the camera goes off,
it goes to the fan, yeah.
And then people will comment ohthe fan's going so slow, oh the
fan's going fast today, All ofit.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
It is.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, it is crazy.
There was a girl on the standyesterday who was a friend of
the family's for like ever.
It's a friend of Albert's sonwhere the whole thing took place
and she like apparently hasn'tworked since it happened and she
(25:15):
has PTSD and all this stuff andlike she was talking like this.
I'm like how can they havesomeone like that on the stand
and be a witness, like howclearly her, her, her mental
state is not okay?
And they have this girl on thestand like trying to recount
something that happened threeyears ago, like what no yeah,
(25:39):
yeah, she was a witness for theprosecution.
I think the prosecution's likewe'll take anybody at this point
.
We just gotta.
We just gotta convict.
We just gotta convict thisbitch.
We don't care who it is like.
If they could find the dog andhe could talk, they'd probably
fucking put the dog on the stand, like that's how crazy it is
more crazy, yeah.
So yeah, I'm.
I don't know Another week and ahalf or so and we'll find out
(26:04):
what the verdict is, hopefullyIf she's found guilty.
Holy cow, that would be crazy.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
You know what I really hope.
First of all, I don't thinkshe's guilty.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I don't think she's guilty there.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
She's not found guilty for the simple fact that
she will appeal this, and thenwe're never going to hear the
end of it Like it's going tokeep going.
Yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
This is not going to end unless she wins.
Absolutely I don't know who'sfunding this.
She has a donate to Karen Reedfund, the Karen Reed fund thing.
You can donate to it.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
No, fun fact fun thing you can donate to it.
No fun fact my an old highschool friend of mine, her
stepdaughter just graduated fromnursing school somewhere in
boston, I forget which school.
Um, and they took her to theseaport after her college
graduation.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yes, she was there last friday.
Karen reed took a picture withthem.
No way, I wish I could get mypicture taken with her.
I don't, I'm not like I.
She's not a likable person, shereally isn't.
She's the way she speaks andlike, but like I.
Just she's so famous for thisand it's just so crazy that I'm
(27:16):
so obsessed with it.
And I, I was kind of.
I was like she was in the samepoint, like what, greg Hill was
there interviewing with her,chatting with her.
Her lawyers were all there andI saw the TMZ thing where she
was like taking pictures ofpeople and she didn't say no to
anybody, she, everybody whowanted the picture.
She was like okay, oh, my god,I'll tell you right now, if
(27:41):
she's found not guilty, she'sgonna end up with like a movie,
like movies, like, yeah, this isgoing to be like craziness,
yeah, but I don't know.
And I guess Turtle Boy AidenCarney I think his name is Aiden
something he's been doing likestuff, but he has to be very
(28:03):
careful because he's a witnessand he's not really supposed to
talk about the case, but he'sdoing things in such a fashion
where he's getting around allthe legal loopholes.
Yeah, yeah, but I don't know wegot a free.
Karen read somehow.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, she didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
No no way, I'm that guy in the garage.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I'm convinced Happened in the garage.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
You know what I think ?
I think they killed him and youknow, because everybody that
left the house that night thatwas there is on the stand.
Everybody drove by the flagpolewhere his body was.
Everybody had to drive by theflagpole to leave.
Nobody saw the body.
I think what happened was theyprobably didn't see the body and
(28:51):
here's why I think they allleft and after they left, a few
stayed behind and then moved thebody.
So then once everyone was gone,no one could say they saw the
body because technically wasn'tthere yet.
That's what I think, yep, so Ithink they all knew what
(29:13):
happened.
They were on the house.
They probably knew there was afight and the dog was attacked,
him and everything else.
But, I don't think theyprobably put him outside right
away.
I think they wanted to waitoutside right away.
I think they wanted to wait foreverybody to leave so they could
literally get on the stand andsay I didn't see the body it
wasn't there when I drove bywasn't there when I drove by,
because it probably wasn't rightit was, it was probably that
(29:37):
they moved him there aftereveryone almost everyone was
gone so crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
That's what I think so crazy.
I find this so fascinating andthis is so awful.
Like lord, please don't be madat me.
This is so morbid, but I findthis so fascinating that not one
person has fucking snitched.
No one person I know I wasthinking that the other day not
(30:06):
even one of them has like passedaway at this point because it's
been a lot of years removed now.
Someone would like died from adrug overdose, tried died from
like suicide yep, everyone isalive.
No one's fucking talking.
Everyone is sticking to theirstory.
Yep, at the end of school, moreor less from day one, yeah, no
(30:27):
one is fucking snitching, no oneis saying that really happened.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
No, and if and if they're.
And here's the thing, if they,and here's the thing, now
they're at a point where, like,when the prosecution interviews
them, oh they, they sayeverything exactly the way they
said it.
But then when her attorneys getup there, I don't recall, I
don't remember, that's all I canremember to the best of my Like
(30:52):
, what, and that's okay, thejudge is okay with that.
No, that's not okay.
Like you remembered what theprosecution was asking you, but
now the defense attorneys get upthere, oh, I don't recall, I
don't know.
I was traumatized.
Such bullshit, man, so weird,it is crazy.
But, like you said to yourpoint, not one person, nothing,
(31:16):
nope, nope.
And not a lot of people wereinvolved.
So it's hard to believe not oneof them.
I don't know, maybe that girlwas so fucked up because she's
just like, has to be, or elseshe's gonna be the one to
fucking snitch I don't know yeahyeah, yeah, so crazy yeah, and
(31:36):
that was the thing she.
She was on the stand because sheher.
The whole reason for having herthere was because she said that
she had known the family.
She knew cousins of the family,she knew relatives of the
family, everything, and in allthe years she knew those people
and had been to their house.
She said over a hundred timesshe never met the dog.
And the point was, the pointwas, every single person who has
(32:01):
an animal, unless it's aservice, you wouldn't meet a
service animal.
Right, they can only be withthe owner.
They can't be with strangersand be friendly with strangers.
But every other person on theplanet that has a dog at some
point or another when people goover their house, eventually
I've even met your dog and I'vemet your dog a couple times.
(32:21):
I've been to your house.
I can never say I've ever evenmet your dog and I've met your
dog a couple times.
I've been to your house.
I can never say I've ever beento your house, never seen your
dog.
I can never say that this girlhas known these people most of
her life, been to their houseover 100 times, knows all their
relatives and has never met thedog.
So his point was this dog was avicious animal and could not be
around people.
So they would.
(32:42):
When people would come over,they would lock the dog away
because the dog was vicious,because why else would this girl
have met that dog?
Right, it was very strange.
It was a really good line ofquestioning because it it showed
like something was happeningwhere you know.
So I don't know, it's crazy.
But yeah, I'm, I'm all over it.
(33:06):
I'm all over it yeah, we shouldhave.
We should start having you dolike uh little instagram lives,
your little instagram stories oh, speaking of that, real quick,
before we end, I have to startdoing Instagram posts and stuff
(33:30):
for that collagen, that peptide.
You know that blue?
It's in the blue thing that, um, jennifer aniston used to do
commercials for.
Yes, yes, yep so I have tostart doing um some advertising
(33:50):
commercials and like some uminstagram posts on that yeah
because I used to drink it everysingle day and my hair, my gray
, is growing at like rapid speed.
I should be going to thehairdresser like every four to
(34:12):
six weeks to get my color, maybeeight.
I'm there every three weeks nowand we we went around in
circles, around in circles.
We all three of us chalked itup to the collagen that I was
taking every day.
Was it makes your hair grow?
It's good for your skin, yournails, right?
(34:33):
They're like you need to do.
You need to fucking reach outto them, be a fucking sponsor
for them.
They're like your hair'sgrowing at rapid speed, like my
hair is so long and and and itit grows out so fast and it's so
like thick it.
I, I, I know it's the collagenhas to be.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I don't take anything else do it, because a lot of
people are taking thatneutrophil neutrophils.
I take it from the world I take, so my turmeric, but that ain't
fucking doing shit.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
I don't know what the fuck that's doing.
I just take it becauseeverybody says it's good to take
anyways, whatever.
And I never started takingmagnesium, by the way, because I
can't find the magnesium that Ineed to take.
And I did talk to my doctor.
He told me magnesium oxide, butI don't, can't find magnesium
oxide, I find every otherfricking magnesium.
Then he told me it's not goodto take too much magnesium.
(35:29):
So I just put the kibosh on itall together and I'm not even
going to bother with it.
So he put me onto turmeric andI've been taking turmeric pill
every day now along with mycollagen.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
So he said, if I'm going fucking turn orange.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I'm gonna be pissed if I turn orange I'll just throw
a mega hat on and fucking oh mygosh yeah, so that's it, that's
all I got, I'm fucking onturmeric, I gave up on the uh
(36:04):
magnesium and I want a freekaren reed and oh, I gotta start
.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I gotta start these ads for college, for that
collagen, because it works, itfucking works, telling you right
now I'm proof, my hair is proofyou have to start like taking
pictures too, so you can showlike before and afters.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, yeah, like like when I get my color and then
like fucking two days later,like, look, I got gray again.
I'm telling you it's crazy.
So that's what, that's what theme, katie and Sam, that's what
we chalked it up to collagen.
So now I cut back on it.
I only do it twice a weekbecause I don't need this gray
(36:45):
growing in like that crazy fast.
No, no, no, no so anywho girl,all right.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Well, we'll wrap this up.
Oh, it's 8 o'clock, perfecttiming.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Survivor just started oh, happy Mother's Day everyone
, by the way, coming soon happyMother's Day, but happy early
Mother's Day when you listen tothis.
Everyone beautiful cheers peaceout.
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