70 - NFL Playoffs - Conference Championships

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Stoy Hall (00:24):
then it's time.
Here we are.
Here we are.
We're back.

Cole Ingle (00:34):
We are back.
I'm in my cowboy sweatshirt as Ipromised.
Yeah.

Stoy Hall (00:39):
I even after oh.
I can't wait to get to that one.
Disappointing.
It was it was yeah.
Yep.
Disappointing.
Yeah.
And I'm only gonna blame oneperson, but we will get there.
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Cole Ingle (00:57):
Huh?
What?
You're only blaming one person.
Yeah.
All right.
I can't wait.
That's a good tease.
I like that.
I like

Stoy Hall (01:03):
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(01:23):
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It's, got a taste.
The Iowa, yeah, it honestly,like the Iowa Space.
Iowa, liquors have a certainflavor, if you will.

(01:48):
I don't know if it's cuz thecorn we use or whatever, but it,
you can tell that it's an Iowabase, let's say.
Is it the water?
It could be the water.
Could be the water.
Just new York's pizza is onlybetter because of New York's
water.
Although New York's water is nothealthy.
But it's not, it's

Cole Ingle (02:02):
funny.
He ever said it had to be goodwater.
It was just the water.
Just the water.
The water and there's alwayssomething in the water in places
where

Stoy Hall (02:10):
Yeah, you're not wrong.
Things going on.
You're not wrong.
I can't oh.
This moved to two and a half.

Cole Ingle (02:15):
I did not see

Stoy Hall (02:15):
that.
Yeah.
Unless it moved back.

Cole Ingle (02:18):
No, I didn't, realize I didn't

Stoy Hall (02:20):
move from one and a half unless it moved back.

Cole Ingle (02:23):
It's all right.
We need to get back into

Stoy Hall (02:29):
last week to laugh.
Get back into laugh.
So let's let's discuss lastweek.
I'll, promise you one.
I didn't see us tying.
Yeah

Cole Ingle (02:44):
we, sure did, but we sure did.
And it wasn't cuz we were great

Stoy Hall (02:47):
And, I even was like, fine I'll do our tiebreaker as
our, TDS thing still tie, weeach got one And so at that
point I'm like, yeah, we'll justcarry over next week.
Like I don't know what else todo.
So that's fine.
Tried everything possible.

Cole Ingle (03:01):
We had to take one under

Stoy Hall (03:03):
Ultimately could have picked a mini of them.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
We told you we're picking allover so you should fade us.
Yeah.
And if you didn't, that's onyou.
That's on you.
We dunno what to tell you there.
First game, Jack's chiefs.

Cole Ingle (03:21):
Yeah.
That game went, gotta to takeone under Whoa.
Oh

Stoy Hall (03:26):
wow.
Could Right the mini of,

Cole Ingle (03:27):
Hey, you can't do that on your phone

Stoy Hall (03:29):
right now.
You're attached the Bluetooth.
So if you guys wanna, if youwanna talk to me, I have to use
the computer.
So Yeah.
My phone is off limit.

Cole Ingle (03:37):
It can be, I guess you turn Bluetooth off until
he's gonna call in.
That's

Stoy Hall (03:41):
true.
After five.
So true.
That's true.
But I don't wanna mess with it.
It works now.
So Yeah, that's fine.

Cole Ingle (03:45):
No, that game it went about as expected.
I thought the Jags missed acouple opportunities.
Mahomes injury was obviouslyinteresting, but then when Hindi
goes 98 yards less interesting.
You can't let that happen ifyou're the Jags.
Like ultimately, no, I don't Idon't care what you're doing.

(04:09):
Like you cannot let a backupquarterback who has played 15,
meaning, excuse me, unmeaningfulsnaps all year come in and go 98
yards against the

Stoy Hall (04:21):
playoff game.
That game's fine.
We had disc discussed, obviouslywe were watching it together.
For all those that didn't know.
Yes.
We were both saying they had himat the two.
They didn't pressure him at all.
No.
And even if it was Mahomes, Goafter him.
Yeah.
You gotta, you're on the two.
Yeah.
You have to make somethinghappen.
They didn't right.
They played soft.
Yeah.
Crazy.
Gave him room, gave him a nicelittle easy throw.

(04:43):
Under pressure because he is atthe goal line and Okay.
Cool's in rhythm.
Go.
Great.
Good stopping him.
Yeah.

Cole Ingle (04:49):
The guy's been in the league too long to make it
easy on him when he comes in,but just was a get me that was
didn't like to turn that in,like it's one thing if you even
get a get out of Right.
Fill the shadow of your own inzone, flip the field, like
great.
You can't let them score atouchdown on that

Stoy Hall (05:06):
drive.
No.
And they just got bullied.
Yeah.
That entire drive.

Cole Ingle (05:11):
Entire drive.
Ultimately that is what coststhe jaguars.
You can't have Mahomes go outfor basically a quarter and not
take advantage of that Really oneither side of the ball.
No.
Nope.
And they got a back to our cover

Stoy Hall (05:29):
they, sure did.
They sure did.
But I Yes.
A backdoor cover.
However, they were in positionto score a couple times.
Like it wouldn't have been aback.
Oh, absolutely.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.

Cole Ingle (05:40):
It wasn't a bad beat backdoor or anything like that,
but yeah.
They covered late.
Yeah, they

Stoy Hall (05:43):
covered late.
You have a fumble goingbasically on the sixth.
Yeah.
That's, not gonna get the jobdone.
No.
Followed by a pick.
And then still go down, kick afield goal to cover.

Cole Ingle (05:55):
Ultimately the big thing for the Jags offensively
to me was the two guys thatfumbled were backup, running
backs that, that cost you thegame and you didn't have your
number one guy in there.
It would be like, To me if,Dallas had their second, third
string guys in there and itwasn't Pollard that was making
mistakes it's the playoffs man.

(06:17):
Like you gotta have your best,you gotta have your best dude in
there.
Yeah.
If he's the one that makesmistakes, that's fine, but it
looks really bad when you're inkey situations and it's your
second or third string guy,that's the one that's making the
mistakes.
And that person really doesn'tadd anything more than what your
one does.
And it's not like atn plays toomuch.

(06:37):
Correct.
Anything.
He doesn't get enough snaps.
That was the big, another bigthing for me is just this is it,
this is for all the Marvels.
Like we're not saving him.

Stoy Hall (06:50):
No.
There's nothing to save him for.
Which we'll get to that on theNiners though.
Yeah.
Cuz that looks like they weresaving that being said Kansas
City was in control.
Yeah.
The whole game.
Even with Mahomes going down,like Henny going 98 yards, at
that point you're like, oh Thisone's in control.

(07:10):
Yeah.
And I was more impressed, andI've heard people say the
chief's defense now, that was,it was impressive.
They're, good enough to holdthem in a game with Mahomes
hobbling without Mahomes ingeneral.
And I think that's a differencethat they ha they haven't had as
well as how well the O Lineperformed.

(07:31):
Now, yes, he was, there wastimes he was running for his
life.
I get that.
But

Cole Ingle (07:35):
yeah, Mahomes is tough to block for though we
talked about that too.
Correct.
He doesn't always stay in aclean pocket.
No.
There was multiple times,actually multiple times a game
that's clean, that he doesn'tstay in a clean pocket, and
that's what causes him to be put

Stoy Hall (07:46):
in harm's way.
Yeah.
We'll get to Casey obviouslylater as they moved on, but
yeah, overall Jack's season thatthey have to be happy.
Absolutely.
There's no way They they wentpast everyone's expectations.
They put themselves on the map.
Lawrence turned a corner as aquarterback.

(08:06):
Potentially.
Yeah.
Played very well all year.
Defensive solid.
They've got good play makers.
They're still gonna have a,decent pick.
Yeah.
They're improving.
That's

Cole Ingle (08:18):
good to see.
Yeah.
They've got they've got coachingquarterback.
Yep.
In play.
And to me those are two yourbiggest things that you wanna
build off of in the nfl.
So they're, going in the rightdirection.
We look at teams like the firstteam that comes to my mind is
like, Tennessee from last yearfell into a one seed, obviously
didn't make the playoffs thisyear.

(08:40):
Coaches, defensive mindedquarterback is they don't even
know who it's gonna be.
And so that team same divisionis why they come to mind.
But that type of mindset in theNFL just isn't a consistent
winning mindset.
So I think the Jags are on theright track to be able to repeat

(09:02):
at least playoff appearances.
Now, the AFC is a juggernaut.
Correct.
Mean we're talking burrow, we'retalking Mahomes, we're talking
Alan, we're talking a healthyLamar, Jackson, Rogers

Stoy Hall (09:11):
question.
You got hold teaser,

Cole Ingle (09:14):
right?
So yeah possibly, But there'sjust a lot to go through on that
side.
Even once you make it in.
Herbert, another guy that isgonna get a lot of mention
social media, darling But a guywith a ton of talent, a ton of
upside.

(09:34):
The coaching there.
Obviously they did some stuff onthe offensive coaching side in
the off season already.
The AFC is going to be stout andis going to be stout for.
Years to come with the youngquarterback they set up that
they have set up.
The NFC somehow is like almostcompletely opposite of that.
Yeah.
Other than maybe one or twoguys.

(09:56):
Absolutely.
And even those guys would be,people will still argue, whereas
the afc, nobody's reallyarguing.
These are the six dudes.
Everybody else is come and getit afterwards.
Nfcs completely up year to yearup for grabs.

Stoy Hall (10:11):
They've got, they've had their run.
It's yeah.
Now flipped and it'll, continueto do but we went Case we goon,
unlocked on KC Jags over, yeah.
Debatably.
The over should have hit, butyou know what abs you fumble
here and there.
It happens.
But we did get KC and Jacks, sowe move on this next game.
I promise you will not we won'thave to speak very long about

(10:35):
it.

Cole Ingle (10:35):
No.
Eagles Giants, the Eagles looklike a team.
One on a mission, but two JaylenHertz was healthy.
Didn't have to overexert himselfto be dominant which I think was
big.
As far as coming off thatinjury, things were easy for the
Eagles got up big early andpretty much coasted in and

(10:57):
that's how you want it.
And the playoff game and theGiants looked young,
inexperienced Daniel Jonesplayed as bad as he has in the
last five to seven weeks.
But you're gonna expect thatevery once in a while.
He's an inconsistentquarterback.
He's been solid, but he'sinconsistent.
And if Barclay doesn't getenough touches, they're not
gonna stay in games.
Unfortunately they got behindthe eight ball too much early on

(11:20):
and really couldn't do anythingto get him the ball enough for
them to stay in the game.

Stoy Hall (11:27):
I was looking to see how many touches yet.
He had 12 touches.
Yeah.
I think they could have got himgoing earlier.

Cole Ingle (11:32):
Yeah.
But that's a thing, like if aguy like that doesn't have 25
touches in a playoff game,you're not utilizing your best
players correctly.
I'll probably harp on that a lotin all of these games, but it's
just a thing that I feel likethe NFL now going to you've got

(11:53):
1, 2, 3 running backs it's man,I get you can be multiple in
your formations and stuff likethat, but your best dude's gotta
be on the field 95% of the time.
It's playoffs.
Yeah.
These dudes can play 50, 60, 70snaps, figure it out.
Yeah.
Just drives me crazy when you'renot just riding your dude.

(12:15):
I get it.
In the regular season, certaingames and certain areas are
gonna dictate how much workflowyou give to a guy.
But come play off time.
It's time to ride.
Ride the horses, man.
Time to ride

Stoy Hall (12:28):
em.
Yep.
And the Giants did not, couldnot.
No.
And so that Eagles ultimately, Idon't think it would've
mattered, but No.
Eagles.
Eagles move on.
They move on, then we get to thesnowy Bengals bills.
Man, it was just a beautifullooking setup.
It was just beautiful overall.
Yeah.
The, how you called itobviously, but Bengals were just

(12:51):
in control.
Yeah.
The whole way the Bills lookedlike they didn't know how to
play on snow.
To me from a footing standpointthe, Bengals were aggressive in,
in, in terms of their cuts andeverything.
Like it was norm, relativelynormal.
But the bills looked like theywere somewhat running on ice and

(13:11):
it didn't

Cole Ingle (13:12):
make sense.
Like they were waiting to Ididn't really see any slipping,
but they were waiting to slip.

Stoy Hall (13:16):
Yeah, exactly.
The thing they were playing forthe slip as opposed to just
playing, If you slip.
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah, And that's what it lookedlike early on and.

Cole Ingle (13:26):
From a game.
Ultimately the bills couldn'tget a pass rush.
None.
Overall the Bengals were able toget a pass rush bills never got
any type of running game going,which for the most part, that's
Josh Allen only.
That never really got going.
Josh Allen looked pedestrian atbest.
During multiple parts of thatgame.
As far as inaccuracy on throwsthey had a drop.

(13:51):
The bills had three big playsthat Alan Overthrew Diggs early
would've been a touchdown.
I believe Davis had a drop onthe sideline on a deep pass.
And then there was one other oneI can't directly recall, but
basically another big playerthat would've been a, scoring
position type of play.
And you can't afford to do thatin the playoffs.

(14:13):
No.
It's the same thing thathappened to the Jags against the
Chiefs.
You just can't make those typesof mistakes.
We'll talk about it, but samething happened in the Cowboys
game.
Cowboys 49ers game on bothsides.
Yeah.
One team took advantage, theother team

Stoy Hall (14:26):
didn't.
I, I was disappointed in thebills.
They just and, they just didn'tlook like they were competing.
It just did not look like what Iwanted to see out of the bills.
Yeah.
At all.
I, thought the Bengal might be alittle bit behind the eight
ball.
They're hot ride.
The hot team, like you said.
Yeah.
They look good across the board,but the bills just, it was like,

(14:51):
meh.
It was just,

Cole Ingle (14:53):
yeah.
The Bengals they just theyhandled

Stoy Hall (14:56):
em from kickoff, like there was watching it.
I was not concerned about thegame, like the Beals were gonna
win like that.
Was it like the pings arewinning how it comes at the end,
who knows.
Yeah.
But they were in control and.
Really never turned for him.

Cole Ingle (15:11):
No.
Yeah.
It was say another disappointingend to a Josh Allen season who
was for a guy that's obviouslythe bills were, favored overall
to start the year from a SuperBowl odd standpoint.
Defensive injuries really killedhim.
Yes.
Early on both safeties and Bondbest pass rusher are hurt so

(15:34):
hard to overcome that especiallywhen you have an offense that
can't find a consistent runninggame.
To be able to keep those guysoff the field or put them in
better positions to be able toattack with the weaknesses that
they, they had on that side ofthe ball.
So just too much to overcome.
And the Bengals, again, are thehottest steam in football right

(15:56):
next to the 49ers.

Stoy Hall (15:57):
Absolutely.
My miss here was I picked Bill'smoney line, otherwise the rest
of'em we had, again, we took allthe overs.
Clearly those did not hit.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Cowboys Niners, huh?
Oh,

Cole Ingle (16:13):
huh.
19 to 12

Stoy Hall (16:17):
Ew.
Hey, comes out to 31.
It's great number, by the way.
Yeah, that was counting at home.

Cole Ingle (16:22):
But so obviously the under hit there.
Ew.
Pollard got hurt.
That killed us.
Zeke can't do it, and we reallyrefused to put Davis in until it
really didn't matter.
We didn't put him in positionsto use his skillset either.
And we'll get to the last playof the game, but, oh my

(16:47):
goodness.
I

Stoy Hall (16:48):
have a different thought than most on that, by
the way.
Sorry.
Can't wait.

Cole Ingle (16:52):
Like I don't, yeah, we'll get to that.
Really defensive.
It was a great defensive game.
Defensive domination on bothsides.
Sure was thought the cowboysresponded.
Really all game until they gotworn down a little bit.
And the 49ers were able to runthe ball against them late third
quarter, fourth quarter intohuge plays.

(17:18):
You had the Kittle play off thehand, off the helmet down the
middle on third and long.
And then you had later in thatdrive Purdy made one of the
worst throws he's made since hebecame a starter in the NFL and
hit digs right in the chestinside the red zone.

(17:40):
And we dropped the ball and it'snine to nine at that point.
They go on three plays later toscore a touchdown.
At that point we go down and geta field goal right after that
1612.
But ultimately, like that's justthe defense needed that pick
from a standpoint of that's whenthey started to get bullied a

(18:02):
little bit.
and that would've been just ahuge shift to get the defense
off the field and then also togive your offensive chance to go
lead in the game.
Yeah.
Late, and put a different typeof pressure on Purdy after he
just made a terrible throw,because after that the throws
that he made were great.
It was like all of a sudden thatthrow was gone and like he

(18:27):
needed to make that throw.
It's like it took that long inthe game for everything to get
out.
And I was just like, oh shit.
Yeah, shit.
He was fine.
I think he was fine.
Yeah.
Which again, that was very latein the game, but ultimately
Purdy didn't play great.
No Dak played worse.

(18:47):
Dak threw two no pressure in thepocket interceptions and had a
third one that probably shouldhave been a pick six.
Oh.
So he was back.
He he was terrible.
I, he made a, few good playshere and there to, keep us as he

(19:10):
should in the game.
But again You're, paid to domore than that.
You're paid to score more than12 points with that offense,
that offensive line.
Now I get it.
Pollard's out, but,

Stoy Hall (19:23):
and one was a short field on a muff punt.

Cole Ingle (19:25):
Yeah.
Just, bad mis throws.
There was a couple of, there wasone of the handoff plays where
Dak actually made a nice play,not handing it off and getting
his running back killed.
But we just missed the BLI blitzprotection.
So whether that's on DTAAudible, away from that, I
didn't see exactly whathappened.
But basically just let a freerusher come in and almost took

(19:46):
the hand off from him off theedge.
You gotta be able to see that ifthat's where you're running the
ball.
You're the quarterback.

Stoy Hall (19:52):
So I'm in.
Cd.
Liam had a

Cole Ingle (19:56):
great game.
He did.

Stoy Hall (19:58):
I, Pollard was getting going.
I sucked that he got hurt.
Yeah.
They started him, which yeah,took his entire career to do.
And it, the off that youroffense is totally different
with Pollard and Zeke.
Yeah.
There are two differentoffenses.
You cannot do the same thing.

(20:19):
And there is not as much scarewith Zeke in there.
You're gonna get your downhillruns, maybe an outside run, but
you're not worried about it.
And you're not, you can't,you're not getting all those
screens and all those things.
You'll get a couple, but not,but even if you do,

Cole Ingle (20:31):
he's getting 10 yards on the screen.

Stoy Hall (20:34):
That's not a Tasha or

Cole Ingle (20:35):
50 40.
That's why Davis needed to be inhe's a GameBreaker like Paul.
It is.
He's not as polished overall,but ultimately, like you gotta
put a guy in there who can put,scare a defense a little bit.
And Zeke just.
Yeah.
Most of the time he fallsforward and he had a couple like
really tough runs where gotfirst downs getting a first down

(20:55):
great, that's who he is.
Short yardage, that's fine.
But in the middle of the fieldit's it's not this bad, but it's
like old Jerome Meis, yeah.
Five carries one yard, threetouchdowns.
Yeah.
That's a, it's paid.
That's a real stat

Stoy Hall (21:11):
line.
I know.
And I love everything about

Cole Ingle (21:14):
it.
But that's Zeke's a little bitbetter than that, but no, not
much.
Just as far as what he'sbringing to attack a defense
unfortunately it's just notthere.
So disappointing end.
Again, I picked the 49ers towin.
I thought they were going to bethe better overall team.

(21:34):
Better overall defense.
Pleasantly surprised in how wellour defense played.
Yes.
Absolutely was superdisappointed in losing that game
because I felt like for threeand a half quarters we outplayed
'em.
But when you only score 12points, you're not gonna win the
game.
The thing is, 20 points winsthat game and 20 points should
not be too much to ask for thatoffense,

Stoy Hall (21:56):
to be fair.
Either of those offenses, butyes.
Yep.
Great.

Cole Ingle (21:59):
But game, they're starting a rookie quarterback in
his second playoff game, which

Stoy Hall (22:04):
this play calling this week.
For the Niners specifically.
Was just weird to start.
Yeah.
It was a, it was just awkward.
I don't understand.

Cole Ingle (22:15):
Yeah.
I don't I mean I know Dallas,like they having Parsons being
able to line up in a lot ofdifferent places, I think that
throws some teams off.
Yeah, absolutely.
And that guy's just a humanwrecking ball.
But, so I don't know if that'swhat it was.
Little playoff nerves forShanahan it was, or what it was.

(22:38):
We talked a little bit,McCaffrey didn't play that many
snaps and they didn't reallyutilize him.
Uhuh that much of the runninggame,

Stoy Hall (22:45):
apparently they showed him on the sideline,
stretching a calf, heating itup.
But he was held to a secondhalf, mainly third down back and
when they were going to huddlelike it was.
And once they started runningthe ball, then obviously clearly
that's where we were talkingabout like you didn't need him,

(23:06):
right?
Almost any, anybody back couldhave got yards at that

Cole Ingle (23:08):
point.
And they were just trying to run

Stoy Hall (23:10):
clock really fast and they're just running clock.
So why put him out there andrisk anything when he was
already banged up?
Maybe.
Yeah.
But their defense looks reallygood, like real good.
I thought overall, from adefense perspective, it was
solid.
I thought play calling on bothsides offensively was weird for
first two, three drives.

(23:31):
It wasn't what their, what Iwould've thought they would've
done.
Which is probably part of it.
But honestly, the.
Dak lost that game.
He, lost that game.
Not like the picks.
Yes.
But just inconsistent.
Yeah.
It was just was not a good game.
He plays not even prior week.

(23:53):
Just Yeah.
A normal ass game.
Yeah.
You guys win that

Cole Ingle (23:58):
game?
Just don't turn the ball overyou in the game.
Just, yeah.
And the two they had a muff puntwas their one turnover.
And then we obviously droppedthe interception, which they
dropped an interception as well.
But the two interceptions wethrew were those, were, they
were not defensive.
The caused No.

(24:18):
The first one was staring down areceiver, the other one was just
a bad read yeah, it can'thappen.
Can't at can't happen at thatlevel.
At in the can't happen juncture.
So disappointing in another,disappointing into a cowboy
season.

Stoy Hall (24:32):
Yep.
What's new?
But I went Niners niners over.
You went Niners Cowboys overagain.
We've talked about the wholeover thing, which means we ended
up with the tie.
So I thought, hey, great idea.
We both picked a touchdownparlay.
We did.
Let's let, why don't we use thatas a tiebreaker?
I got Kelsey.
Barclay didn't ever get theball.
Knox was nowhere near scoringand Paul got hurt.

(24:54):
You at McKennon?
Yep.
But didn't really sniff the inzone either.
Nope.
Hurt, scored.
Hey.
Yeah.
And then Davis did not cuz thebills were not playing well.
Kittle though I had to doublecheck.
I really thought Kittle scored.
Yeah.
Just cuz of like his, how he wasplaying.
He did not.
He did not.
And so we tied again.
So we're gonna roll over ourshitty shots next week, ladies

(25:16):
and gents.
Until next week.
Until next week.
And by next week, we meanconference championship time.
Yeah.
Which we'll probably go lock on.
So overall standings thoughupdated total between college
and nfl.
I've got 243 wins for 56%,56.38%.

(25:37):
Win percentage coal was 2 26 foroverall 52 44.
Really?
He dominates in college.
I dominate in nfl ipso facto.
Here we go.
Ryan still owes six shittyshots.
That's it.
I have no idea.
I lost count exactly.
But shitty shot counter Coletook the lead at 16.
Yeah

Cole Ingle (25:58):
Ryan's not moving anymore,

Stoy Hall (26:00):
yeah.
Yeah.
I know.
And technically I'm tied with,he's not here

Cole Ingle (26:02):
to, he's not here to bail me out.

Stoy Hall (26:04):
No, not at all.
So yeah, here we go.

Cole Ingle (26:08):
I was just looking at our so we made our NFL
preseason playoff

Stoy Hall (26:13):
picks.
If you go down, we I think thefinal four is in there too.
for the nfl.
Yeah.
There it's, oh, hey, we each gotit.
Steve and I have a team left.
Oh, woo.
Ew.

(26:33):
That's gross.
Any home?
Yeah.
Not too bad.
We goon, unlocked on the ones inand let's see how many we missed
Indie.
Not close.
Yeah.
Ravens close, but not goodbills.
Casey Vegas.
Yikes.
And then Sensi, it was a bitfour there.

(26:54):
Rams, Tampa Green Bay, and wehad one there and out.
We locked on New England Pit andTennessee Hao.
Nailed.
Nail them.
Nail them.
But wow.
Yeah.
Wow.
How wrong was my N F NFLplayoffs out having the nine?

Cole Ingle (27:14):
We, Steve was the only one that had'em in

Stoy Hall (27:18):
That's how bad it was.
To be fair, if Purdy doesn'tstep in, I don't think they're
going to the playoffs.
Oh.

Cole Ingle (27:24):
I probably don't

Stoy Hall (27:25):
disagree, but but it happened and here we are.
Here we sit.
So here we sit.

Cole Ingle (27:33):
Yeah, that's yikes.

Stoy Hall (27:37):
It's not good.
Oh all

Cole Ingle (27:48):
let's see.
How do you wanna get on the oldTwitter machine?
I

Stoy Hall (27:52):
got it.
Okay, I got it.
No worries.
No worries.
When's our potential guest.
About

Cole Ingle (27:59):
10 or 15 minutes maybe.

Stoy Hall (28:00):
All right.
All right.
All right.
Let's go ahead and pull up thetwit tar machine.

(28:22):
We don't have a lot this week.
No, not as much content.
We are lesser games that's whatI mean.
I don't know.
No, not never more than Ianticipated.

(28:47):
Here we are.
All right.
First one bucks fired.
Ryan Leftwich.
This was interesting.
Yeah, I'm not, I, and you hadmentioned it like there's gotta
be something behind the sceneswith Brady or something because

(29:09):
w why?
No, it was not how historicallygood season, but it wasn't all
on him.
Brady played terrible all

Cole Ingle (29:17):
the year.
I thought the whole thing andline was that him and Brady had
a good relationship

Stoy Hall (29:22):
so something happened cuz he is gone.
Oh, I get it.
And I think there's gonna be alot of teams really excited to
have him.
I don't disagree.
There was zero line and you havethe goat who played average.
Yeah.
At best.
Not very goat ish.
The only reason he had goodnumbers is because a couple
fourth quarters he decided to gooff.
I'm not, so I'm not sure whythat, that, that occurred.

(29:52):
Oh, how far did I go?
Oh, can I?
Yeah, I'm playing this.
I think this is the But Ithink's button.
I think it's button.
Hey,

Cole Ingle (30:07):
is Cole Beasley still there?
We'd like him to drop if he hasa quick eight.
16 Cole right here.
Drop a beat.
Cole, what's happening?
Hey, I don't wanna put you on aspot too much here.
You retired.
Were you just I'm done with thisshit and then Buffalo called and
you know what?
Maybe I'll jump back into thegame.
What happened there?

Stoy Hall (30:24):
Yeah.
Tampa

Cole Ingle (30:25):
had me doing 45 plays in one practice.
I couldn't hold up

Stoy Hall (30:32):
Just great stuff.
Just great stuff.
For those who couldn't here orif you could or not here col Z
was on the McAfee show and theywere basically asking like, Hey,
I.
You retired and now all of asudden you're at the bills.
What's going on?
Yeah.
And Beasley responds, Tampa Bayhad me doing 45 plays in one

(30:53):
practice and I couldn't hold up.
Yeah.
Which is funny, but also that'sa lot of damn plays.
For an old dude.
But good.

Cole Ingle (31:02):
That was funny.
I was surprised as Brady did 45plays in a practice.

Stoy Hall (31:06):
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
This is one that snuck by usboth.
Yeah.
And apparently a lot of people,by the way Vikings fired there
in DC Yeah.
I did not even see

Cole Ingle (31:21):
it.
No, but necessary,

Stoy Hall (31:24):
not shocked.
Come on.
They were frauds all year.
Yeah.
It was definitely about tohappen.
All right.
Oh, this is just go into yourpoint.
Yeah.
Yep.
Has was wide open and dropped itend of half cost the jacks three

(31:47):
points, which is a back, thebackup, the number two.
Yep.
Agnew fumbled game way insidethe five.
Yeah.
Maybe play the back.
You wasted a first round pickon.
And I wouldn't say wasted.
I said that.
You, you if you're not gonnaplay him.
Oh, that's true.
If you're not gonna play him,that's try it.
Etn should have been in thatball game.
Yeah.

(32:09):
Interesting, Yeah.
Always gotta,

Cole Ingle (32:12):
I wanted to get your take on this from a defensive

Stoy Hall (32:14):
perspective.
Always gonna have a good one.
Wanted to

Cole Ingle (32:18):
bring this always drop to the legs, as a defender,
cuz that's what you're trying toget down on the ground, right?
Yeah.
Or is this a natural motionhere?

Stoy Hall (32:25):
Yeah, pull him down.
I actually did the same exactthing to a receiv.
I believe it was, he also brokehis leg.
I don't know.
Okay.
He didn't return to the game.
Yeah.
Was it Mars?
It might have been Mars.
Anyway, we were playing at homeand they were running crossers
all day long.
And I, don't know who wasstarting that game, but they

(32:46):
just were not making, they werenot picking that up and making
that tackle.
Coach threw me in, so I waslike, fine, let's do this first
play he comes across and I'mrunning him down and it's, if
you would think Mahomes would berunning this way.
I grabbed him and I go I'm goingstraight down.
Because we don't want them toget another yard.
And by doing so, you collapsedon their leg and their ankle
does that.

(33:06):
Same thing with Pollard.
It was the same.
Yep.
Very same thing.
Oh, yeah.
Slow down.
It looks like he just sat on hislegs.
But his job is to get him to theground.
And that's

Cole Ingle (33:16):
the best way to do it, is just from a force
perspective.

Stoy Hall (33:19):
Because otherwise he is gonna hang onto him.
Oh what are you supposed to do?

Cole Ingle (33:23):
No I, was just

Stoy Hall (33:24):
curious.
And in this case, he launched.
and then so yeah.
What you gonna catch yourself?
No.
You're gonna pull thequarterback down.
Yeah.
Which, if you wanna argue abouthis helmet hitting his other,
his side of his helmet.
Oh no, sure.
Talk about that.
Don't talk about the fact thatthe way he fell in his leg.
That's just, that's not nothingto me.
Yeah.
Sucks.

Cole Ingle (33:44):
I think the tweet was more about sucks him dive
bombing the

Stoy Hall (33:49):
leg, which the immediate drop down to the leg.
Not even trying to wrap andtackle, first of all.
Yeah.
I just didn't think that was athing.
So first of all, he wrapped andpulling him down as a tackle.
Yeah.
No, that's nothing to me.
Oh man.
I really hope the volume worksfor everyone out here on this
one.
Yeah.
This is a good, this is a good,so let's, hope it works.

(34:10):
Hey,

Andrew Utterback (34:12):
right back by where he got

Cole Ingle (34:14):
hit.
Everybody shut up.
There's a flags.
Hey.
Back by where he got hiteverybody.
Shut up this game, Frank.
Back by where he got hiteverybody.
Shut up.
Shut up everybody.
Shut up.
Good.
Let me get this call.
Let me talk to my guys.
Everybody looks Shut up.
Hot mic.

Stoy Hall (34:32):
I was really hoping it would've been hotter.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Everybody shut up.
Speaking of helmet to helmet I'dlike your take on this as a
quarterback.
Yep.
Let me know because

Cole Ingle (34:44):
we've got two plays.
So we've got this play and thenwe've got another one.
And I'm gonna tell you why Ithink both calls were correct.
Okay.
This call I think is a correctno call.
Defender comes in, head up andfinishes with arms out.
The only contact his helmetmakes with the quarterback is
face mask.

(35:05):
And there's no targeting,there's no launching, there's no
spearing.
You can't call that.
Nope.
And it wasn't called, and Ithink it was the correct call.
I think that because the onlything that made them touch face
masks is the fact that he isfive foot 10 or six one,
whatever, and Lawrence is sixfive.

(35:26):
Yeah.
If they're both six five, theymight not even hit helmets.
And Lawrence turns his head alittle bit, but doesn't lead
with the head leads with thearms.
Contact with the hands firstpushes away.
Doesn't this is,

Stoy Hall (35:39):
this to me is where we're, getting a little too
sensitive with helmets hitting.
Yeah.
We have helmets for a reason.
One.
Two, they're gonna hit, they'regonna hit.

Cole Ingle (35:47):
Yeah.
It's, we wouldn't be wearing'emif they weren't gonna hit.
Correct.

Stoy Hall (35:50):
Exactly.
No, I'm a hundred percent okaywith this.

Cole Ingle (35:53):
Yep.
Yeah, that non-factor for me wasa non-factor there.
Do we have the other one?
I don't remember if I put thatone in there.
You know which one I'm talkingabout?
No.
Yeah, no.
The one where he came in, likeyou couldn't really see if he
actually hit him, but he came inwith his head down and hockey
league threw the flag rightaway.
Have that one.
Oh dang.

(36:13):
I thought I put that one inthere.
My bad.

Stoy Hall (36:16):
Are you sure I didn't put it in there?
Pretty sure we got this one.
That one.
And then it's over cuz she'sthere.
Yeah.
What's that one right there?

Cole Ingle (36:27):
This one?
No, the one below that.
No, keep going down.
That one.
What's that one?
This is this one.
Oh, that's Brady.

Stoy Hall (36:36):
Yeah, this is the damn it.

Cole Ingle (36:39):
Okay.
So the other one I'm gonna touchbase on real quick just cuz it
was a comparative one.
Was it in the same game?
Was that the one, was that on myhomes?
Yeah.
Yeah, I think it was.
I think it was.
Cause I'm pretty sure it'shockey through the flag.
Yep.
So Jaguar's Defender comes.
and almost identically to whatwe just watched and talked about

(37:02):
except for this defenderliterally has his head straight
down and it is hard to see.
It doesn't look like there'smuch contact.
But literally he's leading withhis helmet.
His arms aren't out and he'sgoing towards Mahomes head and
hockey.
Lee does not have the angle cuzhe's standing back behind him
and he reaches and throws almostinstantaneously as Mahomes gets

(37:26):
rid of the ball.
Was probably some helmet tohelmet.
Was it hard enough to, more toflag?
Probably not, but the wholething was perception.
It's like you cannot run towardsthe quarterback with your head
down and if that's what you'releading with and your head's not
up and your arms aren't up, likeyou're going to get flagged.

(37:49):
And that was more of, again, Idon't think he like.
He didn't spear him and take himto the ground or anything like
that?
No.
But as soon as he put his helmetdown, he was screwed.
It was ultimately what he camedown to.
Don't put your head

Stoy Hall (38:02):
down.
Put your head down.
Now he, I think he, his helmet,like when his angle actually hit
him in the shoulder, likeglanced his like cheek, but like
the helmet hit here.
But again, Hockley couldn't seeit from that angle.
And No, don't tip your head.
Yeah, just don't do it.

Cole Ingle (38:16):
So use Face Man's big difference between those two
plays.
Both in the same game.
So

Stoy Hall (38:20):
Absolutely.
We have a couple I think, let mesee.
Oh, we got one more football andthen we'll go to two Golf cuz
guess what?
Guess what?
It's golf season.
It is, it's off season.
And you know what we're gonna doduring the bye week between the
Super Bowl, we're gonna talkabout golf.

(38:42):
that's all we got.
Yeah.
Maybe a little collegebasketball.
A little teaser going into MarchMadness.
Little March Madness teaser.
Oh, March Madness teaser.

Cole Ingle (38:48):
We're about three minutes away from our first
guest of

Stoy Hall (38:51):
the new Year.
Ooh.
of of the new year.
Yeah.
Of the season.
Who'd we, do we have any gueststhis year?
I guess Steve counts as one,

Cole Ingle (38:59):
right?
He, didn't stay along enough tonot be guests.

Stoy Hall (39:01):
Yeah.
That's fair.
Little tweet here, update.
The Packers will not be tradingAaron Rogers with the, within
the NFC Conference, they willexplore the idea of training the
quarterback exclusively to theAFC thoughts.

Cole Ingle (39:22):
I think ultimately Rogers is either needs to retire
or get outta Green Bay anotheryear with Green Bay isn't

Stoy Hall (39:30):
not good for anything,

Cole Ingle (39:31):
anybody.
No.
And it's, really disappointingbecause he's one of the, yeah.
He's a guy that's been on a teamfor a long time.
It's come when Brady left thePatriots, that type of thing,
but, You like to see guys on oneteam for a whole career, and
unfortunately these days it veryrarely works out that way.
But if he's going to stay in theleague and be relevant and not

(39:55):
cause a distraction, he gottago.
He needs to be, he's gotta go inthe AFC or retired.
Yeah.
Whichever he chooses.
I, agree.
He can still play at a highlevel, in my opinion,

Stoy Hall (40:05):
Packers fans that I know a agree to and this isn't,
at this point, does not feellike when I think Packers, I
think Aaron Rogers, right?
I don't have that.
Oh it'll be weird seeing him ina different jersey.
It doesn't.
No, I don't have

Cole Ingle (40:17):
that.
It feels like he almost likehe's already been in a different
jersey.
Correct.
Even though he

Stoy Hall (40:21):
Hasn't, been.
Yeah.
No, I agree.
All right.
A little Goldy.
A little Golf.
Golf, okay.
Man.
I don't know what Rom's gonnado.
I think he, I think overall hejust needs to be better at golf.
Because he's lost two, the classsix tournaments he's played in.

(40:42):
if he really wants to be numberone in the role, he can't keep
losing those.
Yeah.
At those.
So this tweet goes there's acouple layers to it.
One rom has one three in a row,I believe.
Two in a row on the two or, butthree total in a row.
Yeah.
Tournaments.
And his ranking like did notimprove from winning this week.

(41:05):
But someone else could have wentto number one.
Yeah.
If they would've won, Rob couldnot have.
Mathematically, and we'll getinto all that as we get into
rankings.
But I just thought it was agreat little tweet of, man he
can't keep losing thesetournaments I the freight.
He can't he's two of six.
Can't,

Cole Ingle (41:22):
we can't afford these

Stoy Hall (41:23):
top fives either.
No, can't do that.
It's not good for not, good forthe program.
There was a tweet, it

Cole Ingle (41:29):
really hurting

Stoy Hall (41:29):
the brand with the brand.
There was another tweet I didn'tshowed in here.
It's just another out outlandishTigger one.
Because it has rom winning threein a row and there's only been
18 times that someone's won.
Three in a row.
Yeah.
14 of those are Tigers.
Tigers, that's just the,statistics on that is

(41:52):
ridiculous.

Cole Ingle (41:53):
Yeah.
I mean if you want to go down arabbit hole of, go ahead.
Just unbelievable statistics.
And then specifically in golf,like any sport, but golf, it's
on other ridiculous weeks atnumber one.
Name it.
Yeah.

Stoy Hall (42:09):
That type of stuff.
Just name it.
All right.
This one's fun.
This is happening this week andI'll be paying a little
attention, mainly cuz of thetweet, but also cuz there's only
two football games.
Better on Sunday.
Yeah.
According to reports in Dubai,Patrick Reig threw a golf tee at
Rory after the world.
Number one ignored him on therain.
Yeah

Cole Ingle (42:29):
Was it, oh, there he is.
Oh.

Stoy Hall (42:35):
Hello.
Hello.
How's it going,

Cole Ingle (42:38):
gentlemen?
Is this the pride of Sigourney

Andrew Utterback (42:42):
Oh, I don't know where you got that
information.
It might be though.

Stoy Hall (42:45):
That's what we were given, that's what we were given
today.
I don't know what to tell you.

Cole Ingle (42:48):
We we have the pleasure of our first guest of
the year Mr.
Andrew Utterback as I said, thepride of Sigourney.
Andrew is actually a coworker ofmine started a new job here
beginning of the year with ViziPay, and Andrew's a coworker and
an avid sports.

(43:11):
Better, probably even more avidthan both of us.
He's a what would you callyourself in the betting world,
Andrew?
Are you a degenerate?

Andrew Utterback (43:21):
I'm borderline.
Okay.
I think I'm we're getting closeto

Cole Ingle (43:24):
that, designation.
Yeah.
That's, fair.
Andrew, give us a little bitabout yourself and then we're
just getting ready to get intosome picks here for this weekend
and we'll, chat about some otherthings too.

Andrew Utterback (43:37):
Yeah, absolutely.
Thanks for having me on.
Said, I grew up in a town Iowahad the opportunity to baseball
in the minors and independentball up and have been in the the
sales world here in Des Moines.

Cole Ingle (44:00):
Since then what position did you play?
I was an outfielder

Andrew Utterback (44:05):
all the way through college.
And then when I went to the nextlevel, I was with the relief
pitcher.
I could throw hard and thehitting was suspects.
I think that's

Stoy Hall (44:15):
why the was made happens.
It happens.
So for our listeners out there,obviously they know we're in
Iowa.
Where the hell is Sigourney,Iowa?
Get I don't even know.
And I'm from Nebraska and livedin Iowa way too long, but where
the hell is it?

Andrew Utterback (44:31):
Yep.
So it's southeast.
So if you go outta Pleasant Hillon 63 through, go to OSA 92 AHS
hour, and

Cole Ingle (44:43):
right there, right next to Kta

Stoy Hall (44:45):
bang a ring.
That's

Cole Ingle (44:47):
right.
So I'm doing a little just aquick Google search.
Was your college mascot reallythe butch?
No, we were the bulldog.
Oh, so they've changed it sinceyou were there?
is it the Butch now?
That'd be Alabama.

Stoy Hall (45:05):
Amon University Bulldogs and Lady Bulldogs.
Oh, Butch is the name.
Butch is the name.
Butch

Cole Ingle (45:09):
is the name of the mascot.
I'm like, what in the hell isgoing on?
Be way cooler.
If it was

Andrew Utterback (45:18):
That'd be an interesting,

Cole Ingle (45:20):
yeah.
The whiskey's

Stoy Hall (45:21):
hitting harder than tonight.
The usual.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Apparently it's that cold youhave.
So you both work at Vizi Pay,that's where you met.
I'm only gonna say Vizi.
Pay two more times.
That's fine.
Until the invoice comes.
Yeah.
So perfect.
But so you went directly fromindependent Ball to sales, huh?

Andrew Utterback (45:42):
Correct.
Yep.
Yep.
I made my way around Des Moinesa little bit.
This is my third job here with adifferent company in Des Moines,
but all in the sales field.
So yeah, that's keepcompetitiveness Sports guys
both.
Kinda in that world as well.
And obviously coming from sportsI think that's just kinda in our

(46:02):
DNA at that point.

Stoy Hall (46:04):
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.

Cole Ingle (46:05):
And, all of those jobs you've worked with Jesse as
well, correct?
That is

Andrew Utterback (46:10):
correct.
Yep.
Yep.
Just keep following'em around.
May, maybe one will stick here

Stoy Hall (46:15):
Follow following.
Not a leader, huh?
I see

Andrew Utterback (46:18):
Yeah.
Married Kades.
Oh, I'll say I'll say you're amuch better dresser.
This is the second time I'vewatched.
Cole, you gotta pick up this

Cole Ingle (46:27):
game.
Hey, it's work environment Dr.
That drives my dress,

Stoy Hall (46:34):
Oh, I wouldn't sometimes you also, you should
see the guy on Mondays andFridays.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I dress down a little bitsometimes.
Sweatpants

Cole Ingle (46:42):
on Fridays.
I'm telling you.
There you go.

Stoy Hall (46:45):
Hey,

Cole Ingle (46:46):
no one knows that.
No one there's, reasons we don'tdo shows on Fridays, yeah,

Stoy Hall (46:52):
all right.
So talk to us get, us abackground of your favorite
sports teams.

Andrew Utterback (46:58):
Yeah, so I I'm a big proponent of whatever my
dad was a fan of, is what I'm afan of.
So I'm a die diehard new EnglandPatriots fan, get a lot back.
And then also a diehard Cubsfan.
Not much in the nba here andthere.
And then for college go Hawks.

(47:20):
Cause it's gonna make mephysically ill

Stoy Hall (47:22):
to all of those toes.
Yeah.
Not great

Andrew Utterback (47:27):
I got two dogs at home.
They're named Rizzo and Sosa,

Stoy Hall (47:29):
so I get behind Sosa, I can behind Sosa.
Wow.
Okay.
Hell, oh, we know his teams.
Yep.

Cole Ingle (47:38):
That's gross.
I, knew'em

Stoy Hall (47:40):
before, but that's just, disgusting.
It's fine.
Kids married blood tag.
I got married last September.

Cole Ingle (47:50):
Oh, congrat.

Andrew Utterback (47:51):
Yeah.
Poor guy.
I think I'm negative.
I dunno for sure.
No kids.
The two dogs' pretty busy rightnow.

Stoy Hall (48:11):
You can't do adulting unless you have children.
So right now you're just livinglife.
That's fine.
Yeah.
Got a little more time then.
Yeah.
Yeah, you'll be fine.
You'll, survive.
I'll survive.
Do you wanna give us a, quickrecap of what you thought the
overall games went last weekbesides Dak Prescott looking
like poo?

Andrew Utterback (48:30):
Yeah.
I think that showed us truecolors.
When, the lights are on, that'sthe deck that we see, right?
Yeah, absolutely.
But other than that I was kindaon board with all your guys'.
I was with you at the game.
I were covered.
Did not see them coming out, outevery aspect of game.

(48:59):
I know it's gone around today,but I think Joe Burrow has his
place into that second spot forJosh Allen.
Josh Allen we're kinda seeingis, a turnover guy when the big
lights are on.
But I, really like Joe Burrow.
Joe Burrow, he's gotta win thisweekend.

(49:20):
Patrick's conversation though.
And then as far as the Chiefsjack game huge turnover.
Lawrence is, getting himselfinto that top five realm as
well.
Really liked his play.
He's, starting to become the guythat's never out the game.
He's, you leave him in the game,he's gonna be dangerous down

(49:42):
when it matters.
And, I think he showed that tous here in the playoffs,
especially with that wild roundgame.
And then

Cole Ingle (49:52):
as far

Andrew Utterback (49:52):
as the eagle, thank you for finally putting
the giant fans.
Oh man.
Any, time they get any momentum.
You have giant spans outta thewoodworks it seems like.
So I, really applaud them forputting them to bed.
And that kinda show, that wasn'teven a, that wasn't even

Stoy Hall (50:10):
a game from start to finish.
No, not at all.
No, I agree with everything youjust said there.
So that, that's awesome.
Let's get into this week'sgames.
Wait, I have, oh, you

Cole Ingle (50:22):
have, I have Breaking news and we have a
baseball guy on.
Oh.
Scott Roland just got into theBaseball Hall of Fame.
Really?
Huh.
Okay.
So it wasn't an overreaction onmy part.
70, 76%.

Stoy Hall (50:40):
Wow.
Oh, okay.
Good

Andrew Utterback (50:43):
career.
Not great.

Cole Ingle (50:45):
Good.
No he legitimized the third baseposition for the new era of
third basement, I would say.
But

Stoy Hall (51:00):
yeah, that's okay, so he's all right.
I see that on the ballot, huh?
Because it

Cole Ingle (51:06):
Like I was listening this morning that the two guys
expected to get in were him andTodd Hilton.

Stoy Hall (51:14):
I, can see Todd.

Cole Ingle (51:16):
I just don't think either one of them are Hall of
Famers.
They're a hall of really good.

Andrew Utterback (51:21):
Hell, the Lifetime 300 guy.

Stoy Hall (51:23):
I can see that.
Yeah, I could too in, in thename obviously on top of that.
But also the, Baseball Hall ofFame's funky, isn't it?
It's just weird for sure.
Obviously the fact that theyleave a ton of players off
because of alleged things, asidefrom that argument, isn't it
just like a weird way to get init?

(51:44):
It's

Andrew Utterback (51:44):
all about how you interacted with the media.
Yeah.
Mean it's not mean its stats,but I mean it's who

Cole Ingle (51:53):
Yeah.

Stoy Hall (51:54):
Is, which is not how that should work.
Yeah.

Andrew Utterback (51:58):
Kurt, one of the greatest pitchers of time he
was to the media and they

Stoy Hall (52:05):
won't put him in.
Just makes no sense.
What

Cole Ingle (52:07):
are your thoughts quickly on the steroid guys,
just in general?
Barry

Andrew Utterback (52:14):
Bonds the greatest player to ever put on a
uniform in baseball.
He, to be the hall fame.
Roger Cle had a hall of famecareer before he even did
steroids.
It wasn't illegal then.
Everybody was doing it,

Cole Ingle (52:30):
period.
He's also never tested positive.
Yeah.

Andrew Utterback (52:34):
Yeah.
And I mean it's an yes.
I mean it's an era of baseball.
There's different eras ofbaseball.
That's one of them.
You gotta put those guys in.
They were the top of that era.
Yeah.
You gotta throw them.

Stoy Hall (52:44):
Yeah.
I don't, not to mention

Cole Ingle (52:46):
let's go to, I hate that.
I agree with, I mean that wehave the same take, but we, I
have exactly the same take asIsa.
Let's

Stoy Hall (52:51):
go back to the Barry Bond situation I played a little
high school baseball and hittingno matter how jacked you are.
Yeah.
You had to put the bat, youstill have to put the

Cole Ingle (53:03):
bat on the ball and then you had to put the center
of the bat on the center of theball.
Correct.

Stoy Hall (53:06):
Yeah.
Relatively speaking, I'm notgonna lie, like steroids really
don't help your eyes and yourwhole motor function.
Unless they do.
Cuz then I missed out on thewhole fucking boat and I divorce
Your head got bigger,

Cole Ingle (53:19):
your eyes got bigger.

Stoy Hall (53:20):
Geez.
Like he still had a sweetThat's, my point.
Talk about

Andrew Utterback (53:24):
that.
It's, he still gotta hit at 95on our fastball, in my opinion.
Doesn't matter how big you're

Cole Ingle (53:28):
correct.
Brady Anderson took steroids,but he's not in the hall of
fame.
Exactly.
That's what

Andrew Utterback (53:33):
I'm saying.
Like those guys were the topguys during that era.
Everybody was doing it.
Yeah.
Who cares?
Put the top guys in.
Yep.

Stoy Hall (53:40):
All right, all so we'll revisit baseball cuz when
it's just golf.
Golf, just, there's baseballcoming up at some point.
Alright.
Starting game.
Sunday.
Think three 30.
I don't know.
Don't quote me.
Niners at eagles, are favored.
Two and a half.
Total's 46 and a half.

(54:01):
Andrew, what say you

Andrew Utterback (54:06):
I I mean we're all waiting for that Brock game,
right?
Happen.
I just think though he has toomany weapons around him, I
ultimately think the eagles winthe game.
I think it comes down tosomething late that I think the
will back field type.

(54:29):
I think it's definitely theunder but I'm gonna have to take
the Eagles and the two and A

Stoy Hall (54:35):
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah you would think the, Purdything would happen, right?
Ultimately.
But I don't see that happening.
My biggest question is what'sShanahan doing?
We had talked about it with therecap of the Niners Cowboys.

(54:57):
This play calling was all overthe play.
It was just weird going intolast week.
And the Eagles front sevenspecifically, their front four,
I should say front eight is waydeeper than the Cowboys.
And they're gonna rotate them inand just fire it will now their
back end is weaker.

(55:18):
Quick, stat

Cole Ingle (55:18):
here though.
You've got stats.
So the Eagles are number one inthe league overall past defense.
Second in the league in Sax.
But Phil fall somewhere in the16 to 20 range for rushing
defense, which is obviouslygonna be a strength for the
49ers.
Keeping that in considerationDallas was number six, overall

(55:40):
defense.
And they were like number six oreight in the past and number 14
or 16 in the run.
So just to give you an idea ofthose comparative defenses, both
of those teams obviously like toget after the Yeah, the passer,
which I think the 49ers canprotect from a little bit
because of their

Stoy Hall (55:57):
style offense.
Now that, with that stat beingsaid, it's a very great game for
the Niners to play the Cowboysbefore the Eagles right in, in
terms of that.
Styles are relatively similar.
And so I think they'll beprepped for it.
But I think it should be areally good game.
I think both these games onpaper should be really fun and
interest.

Cole Ingle (56:19):
Any one, like x factor key player that you see
in that game as far as a good begame or a bad game that could
cost one of these teams possiblybeing blown out or on the other
side, blowing a team out becausethey're playing so well.

Andrew Utterback (56:38):
This, is gonna kinda be not a usual kick, but I
think Fred Warner has to havethe game of his life capable.
He's be the guy that's Jalenknow everybody.
Offense gonna the game come,gonna come down to Warner having

(57:01):
the game of his life on JalenHerz, making him second guess,
taking off running maybe hesecond guesses.
Throws, throws a bad ball, batedaway, intercepted.
I think that's gonna be the typeof play that's really gonna
change the game on and on theother side it's Jalen mean they
their defense, they're veryelite, can play in this guy the

(57:28):
first time we're seeing him atthis level.
They, could be really

Cole Ingle (57:32):
good for a while.
Yeah.
No, no doubt.
Fred Warner made I would sayarguably the play of the game on
a Tampa two coverage where heran from the line of scrimmage
35 yards down the field coveringa at least top 10 receiver in
the league in cd, lamb on amiddle route that 99% of

(57:54):
linebackers in the league can'tget to.

Stoy Hall (57:56):
I don't, I need people to realize how difficult
that is.
No play.
It was, yeah.
How difficult from the line ofscrimmage to get to Tampa?
Two.
Yeah.
One, you have to be fast enough,clearly.
But the balls defensively tocall it.
And defensively as just thedefender.
Because you can't get caughtleaning one way.

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He had to have timed that runand split perfectly.
Now I, still believe Dak couldhave put the ball where the
receiver could have caught it.
But he was in position to makeDak go shit.
And that's all really it tookthat play from a linebacker
possession one of the greatestthat you'll see.
Yeah.
From a Tampa two

Cole Ingle (58:34):
perspective.
And I don't know, is it reallyan argument?
He's the best linebacker in theleague right now, isn't he?
Yeah.

Stoy Hall (58:43):
I agree.
Do the Niners ever have two badbackers?
That coming, when was the lasttime they had two bad backers?
Very true.
Cuz well, green Li Greenwood,whatever his name his,
counterpart Ridley good too.
Yeah.
Made some plays.
I agree.
And I, believe he has to have areally good game.
I defensively would lock downthe Eagles run game.

(59:06):
hurts.
You have to beat me.
Throwing.
Yeah.
There's no way you're gonna run200 yards on us.
And I believe the Niners, that'swhat's gonna happen.
They're gonna, they're going Idon't know if they're gonna shut
it down, but they're going tosell out to shut

Cole Ingle (59:18):
it out.
Niners have the number one rundefense.
They give up just under 80 yardsa game rushing.
They'll give her one 20probably.
So if that's a win I don't knowthat they will.
Because to your point if theygive up the 80 yards, that means
they've kept her in check.
But that also means that theyhaven't let Sanders get going by
wasting a defender on Hertz oranything like that.

(59:40):
So if they can keep it thataverage and that's, like I said
that's, season average.
That's what the playoff gamesthat's at 80 yards.
So there's only three teams inthe NFL that were under a
hundred yards.
And they were well below, sothat's gonna be a strength for
them.
The Eagles can do a little bitof everything.
Obviously Hertz wants to run alittle bit, but he's not a guy
that is a run first or lookingto run first, but definitely

(01:00:03):
want if I'm the Niners defense,to your point, I definitely want
to make him beat me with hisarm, only keeping him in the
pocket

Stoy Hall (01:00:12):
and also would attack their their right tackle.
Oh, what's his name?
He Eagle's Right?
Tackle has the torn groin.
Oh, okay.
I would Oh who's gonna line upover him?
All game.
Yeah.
Also has to Yeah.
And has to just torment him.
And it hurt him.
I, if you watch the game, hewas, he's hurt.

(01:00:32):
Yeah.
Like it's torn.
He says, yes.
Surgery after season, I'mputting Boose on him and letting
him just go to work.
Yeah.
If that happens, they shut downthe run and Bosa can go to work
this game.
Where are you falling on thisgame?
This, game happens differently,right?
I don't disagree.
Ah, this is this one.
Th this is this.

(01:00:53):
They're both tough for me.
You

Cole Ingle (01:00:58):
wanna start with the total?

Stoy Hall (01:00:59):
Yeah, start with total.
Okay, go ahead.

Cole Ingle (01:01:03):
I'm going with the under.
Yeah.
I 46

Stoy Hall (01:01:08):
and a half.
I didn't look at the weather,but these

Cole Ingle (01:01:10):
defenses won't look, I really I just, I don't, think
the weather's gonna have animpact.
If it's nice, then fine, but ifit's not nice, then even more so
I'm on the ender.

Stoy Hall (01:01:19):
Yeah.
17, 20, 23, 20 range.
Yeah.

Cole Ingle (01:01:25):
You're on the under as well?
Yeah.

Stoy Hall (01:01:26):
All right.
Have to, oh, great.
That, you know what that means.
It's going over, it's goingLadies and jets.
We all picked you

Cole Ingle (01:01:32):
under Where you at on the game?

Stoy Hall (01:01:35):
God, this one's so tough.
This is a tough one.
I'm, man I really want theNiners to do it.
I just don't.
I think Shanahan gets in hisway.
And so I'm gonna go Philly.
Philly.

(01:01:56):
But man this is a close one.
I wouldn't be surprised the, Ijust pulled this one off.
I just think Shanahan's gonna dosomething early and the Eagles
will score if they mess up.
Yeah.
And then they will they're greatfront runners, so Yeah it'd be
tough for Purdy to come back.
I, we haven't seen it really.

(01:02:17):
And so I think that's, where I'mgoing.

Cole Ingle (01:02:19):
And you, so you've got Philly.
Philly under Yeah.
As well.
And the two and a half.
So you and Andrew match up.
I've got San Francisco coveringthe two and a half.
Just trying to decide whether ornot, I just think this is gonna
be a very close game.
I see it as a 2120

Stoy Hall (01:02:40):
A missed p a t.
Yeah.
I mean something, those,

Cole Ingle (01:02:42):
something we didn't hit upon that out of the
ordinary.
Maybe a team goes for two.
You both Both have the personnelto be able to do that.
Something along those lines.
Neither quarterback has, reallyproven themselves overall.
Obviously Herz has a little bitmore experience overall, but

(01:03:03):
ultimately neither one of themhas been in this position.
Herz, I guess you could arguecollege, but then he got pulled
in the national championshipgame.

Stoy Hall (01:03:11):
I, I do like how though they've played each other
and it was a high scoring event.
High scoring.
I think they'll havecomfortability in at least
playing each other.
They'll

Cole Ingle (01:03:19):
be that.
What are you gonna do?
I'm gonna San Francisco.
Woo.
Run Brock the cock.

Stoy Hall (01:03:24):
Woo.
Big cock Brock.
Wow.
Okay.
Looks like so far.
Looks like we're not gonnawe're, not gonna be able to tie
on the shitty shots.
Yeah, that's good.
That's good.

Cole Ingle (01:03:37):
Alright, Andrew lead us into Bengal's.

Stoy Hall (01:03:45):
Wow.
He just gave up.
Yep.
He just he didn't want to hejust gave up.
But I guess

Cole Ingle (01:03:51):
we'll lead us in the, we'll lead us in and then
he'll call back.

Stoy Hall (01:03:54):
Bengals one and a half.

Cole Ingle (01:03:57):
Yeah.
Bengals are one and a half.

Stoy Hall (01:03:59):
You just, bailed on that pick.
Is that what you're trying todo?

Andrew Utterback (01:04:04):
I got worried and

Cole Ingle (01:04:06):
I apologize.
That sounded like one of oursales calls, right?
I'm interested.
Just kidding.

Andrew Utterback (01:04:14):
No this is obviously the game of the week
that I'm, excited for.
I was telling Cole earlier, thishas got all the feels of a
Jordan Flu game, but the Mahomesankle game and I think slow
Mahomes puts us to bed thatBurrow is three and oh, against
him, doesn't let him get thefour and oh.

(01:04:36):
Covers the plus one and a half,obviously outright win.
And I'm taking the over in thisgame.
I think it's a shootout.
I think it goes back and forthwith my home's drama at the end,
driving down late game winning

Cole Ingle (01:04:49):
field goal.
Is he the best, is he limpingfor a first down to get to get
him in the field goal range typeof thing?
It's gonna be like the

Andrew Utterback (01:04:57):
Matthew Stafford carrying him, or the
Byron left with carrying himacross the field.
I love it.
I love it.
Oh Lord.

Cole Ingle (01:05:04):
And then any thoughts on specific players
here?
Obviously the quarterbacks aregonna be highlighted, but
anybody else you're looking at?

Andrew Utterback (01:05:13):
I, think it's, gonna have to be a, secondary
guy, whether that be a JujuSmith, Schuster Aari, Tony for
the Chiefs, or a Tyler Boyd,Hayden Hurst type for the, I
think it's gonna take one ofthose guys to up.
Determine a winner.

(01:05:33):
I, you got the guys like Kelsey,Jay Higgins.
I think it's gonna really takean X factor outside of those
guys to, get the win

Cole Ingle (01:05:41):
in this game.
That's very good stuff.
Very good stuff.
Yeah.
Bengal's Chiefs obviouslyneither team is overly known for
their defense.
Both were in the top half of theleague in overall defense, but
neither one of them at thelevels of the, 49ers or the
Eagles really Bengal's Pass Rushhas been pretty impressive to me

(01:06:03):
specifically in the playoffs.
So it looks like they figuredsome stuff out there.
Obviously much better from thebeginning of the season when
they really struggled.
Offensive line.
I don't know who's gonna beback.
They were out three guys lastweek and you couldn't tell.
But the Chiefs have a betterpass rush than the bills right
now.
And so they'll find a way to putsome pressure on Burrow.

(01:06:29):
Thoughts overall on.
when you pressure Mahomes, youseem to pay bro, the same way.
I

Stoy Hall (01:06:42):
You, pay when you pressure him when he can move,
right?
Boy, if you don't quit doingthat I, don't

Andrew Utterback (01:06:49):
know what happened there.
I wasn't even touching

Stoy Hall (01:06:50):
my phone.
Oh yeah, sure.
Go ahead.

Cole Ingle (01:06:54):
Yeah, I just think that thoughts on pressuring
either quarterback and if youthink one would be more affected
by pressure.
Obviously Mahomes is injured, soin my mind I'm thinking get at
his feet as much as possible.
If I'm the Bengals and now ifI'm the Chiefs they've got three

(01:07:14):
guys that can go to the house.
If they break a coverage andyou're bringing pressure, I
think you have to bring some toget burrow uncomfortable.
But ultimately you've gotta beable to hold up on the back end
against those three really goodreceivers and probably the best
receiving court in the league.

Andrew Utterback (01:07:31):
Y Yeah.
I, think they, they used thescreen game in the quick game as
their running game in this.
Yeah.
Really sucked up the defense asmuch as they can and hit a a
Tony Val links streaming downthe middle of the field to
really get over the top.
But they did it a lot last game.
Kelsey what do you have 14catches for 90 yards?

(01:07:53):
Yeah.
I, think it's gonna be a lot ofdin and dunk and that's gonna be
their running game.
Yeah.
Could be a big McKinnon game outof the backfield, but I, could
see a lot of short four, fiveyard passes and let those play
makers just do their thing,

Cole Ingle (01:08:08):
just get the ball on the hands.
And the Chiefs have been more ofthat style of offense this year
than the big shot offense that,we've seen in the past, and
they've been more efficientrunning the football.
Pachecos been a huge ad forthem.
I think they need to get himtouches early and often.
He's a hard runner.
Had a little bit of fumblingissues middle of the year, but
has seemingly righted that ship.

(01:08:30):
I was really impressed last weekwith how well the Bengals were
in the football and just hitBuffalo in the mouth a little
bit.
And I'm interested to see ifthey don't try to do that.
Because anytime you can do thatagainst any team in the nfl
you're setting a hold of hertone.
And if you can run the footballseven, eight yards at a time,
you can do whatever the hell youwant in your offense in the nfl

(01:08:52):
because they have to startrespecting the run.
And then that's just I felt likethey set the tone in that Bills
game early on with that, and thebills really had no chance
because of it.
So those are the big things thatI'm interested in is which team
has more success running thefootball.
I think the Chiefs specificallyneed, to get the running game

(01:09:12):
going just to help ma Mahomesout just because he's not gonna
be able to scramble as much.
Whereas Burrow can obviouslydictate what's working more so
than, maybe Mahomes will be ableto.
I think the Bengals are thehottest team in football.
I think that so far Burrow isthree and oh, against the

(01:09:35):
Chiefs.
I'm going Cincinnati boys.

Stoy Hall (01:09:43):
Okay.
Oof oak.
Oof.
I can

Cole Ingle (01:09:49):
I just I think that the ankle ends up being, I think
it's gonna be hard for Mahomesto not try to do some of theno
things.
He normally does, and Stoy and Italked about this earlier,
there's that he tries to getoutta the pocket sometimes when
the pocket is clean.
And I think if that instinct isstill there, even though he's

(01:10:11):
injured, he's gonna put his teamin a bad position in a couple
different times.
And also, he had a couple throwslast week that you could
definitely tell on even shortpasses where he had to stick
that foot in the ground and makean accurate throw and he wasn't
able to.
Now this could all be overblown,but that's where I'm leaning, is
that I just don't think he'sgonna be able to make all of the

(01:10:32):
throws or all of the plays forfour quarters.
It's not something that's gonnaget better during the game.
And I think ultimately thatleads to a mistake at some point
that that allows the Bengals to,pull this one off.
I'm also on the over, I do thinkit's gonna be a good game.
I see this one somewhere in therealm of a 31 27 type of game.

Stoy Hall (01:10:55):
So let me ask you this.
What, would cause the Bengalsnot to play man, and say, have
fun.
Good luck.
Yeah, I would.
What scares them?
I would double team Kelsey.
Yeah.
You can still do that in, man.
No, that's what I'm saying.

Cole Ingle (01:11:10):
So what, scares me?
Double team Kelsey and make thechiefs homes run the

Stoy Hall (01:11:14):
football based upon we don't know his health.
We'll figure that.
He can't hit those quick ones.
He can quit, hit the quick onesover the middle.
But anything outside, he can't,you just can't put the foot
down.
Yeah.
And if that holds up Yeah.
Where do the play, where areyour plays at?
Yep.
And, that's ultimately KansasSid's run game does not scare

(01:11:34):
me.
Shouldn't scare the mans.
Okay.
So I can go ahead and grab himand, test, test him beat me.
Yeah.
Thing is, you can do that mostof the game because it takes one
scramble and one tackle that weshowed earlier.
If that ankle gets hit that wayagain Yeah.
He's out.

(01:11:55):
He's not coming back.
Yeah.
And now backup comes in.
Who knows?
Like the, then that game planswitches.
Cincinnati's defense should notbe afraid of anything.
Really double, Kelsey duh.
Do your job there.
Man up load box.
And you have to have Mahomesbeat you from the pocket.

(01:12:17):
On, a leg that we don't know.
Now, once you test that hangout,he might beat you a couple
times.
Fine, then you can change.
But I don't under, I wouldn'tsee why they wouldn't come out
and just be aggressive.
Yeah.
Flip side chiefs, they can'treally run the ball defensively.
They can get ran on and I, lovedwhat you said about the Bengals.

(01:12:39):
Like they just look mean andtook it over.
And when you have a newer Oline, weaker o line, whatever
you wanna call it new pieces,running the ball gets them
gelled.
Yeah.
And to me it looked like thatlast week.
I believe they can come in anddo that again.
Ultimately this one isinteresting for me because I,

(01:13:00):
have that year long Super Bowlbet.
Yeah.
It's on the Chiefs.
I had to be cashing that thingout.
My cash out went for 1 42.
It's down to 1 25.
Might have to do that,

Cole Ingle (01:13:11):
but this line has moved three points since it
started.
It opened as the Chief's one anda half point favorites and now
is on the Bengals one and a halfpoint favorite.
So all the way up to two and ahalf on the Bengals.
So fair.

Stoy Hall (01:13:22):
A big move.
So I am also gonna go Cinci.
Oh, wow.
Both.
Yeah.
I just

Cole Ingle (01:13:31):
Andrew going Lone wolf here, bud.

Andrew Utterback (01:13:34):
Why, do you think that lines move so much
with the announcement thatMahomes is gonna play?

Cole Ingle (01:13:39):
That's, that surprise me.
I don't know where the theinjury report obviously isn't
gonna say anything different,and as far as I know, Vegas
doesn't have somebody sitting indoing rehab with Mahomes, but I
could be wrong.

Stoy Hall (01:13:52):
Hey Not, I feel like they got I, think it's a par
partial.
It's also a money grab.
People are gonna put a lot onthe chiefs late.

Cole Ingle (01:14:04):
But that's apic.
That's APIC line either side.
It is.
That's why I thought the three,the three point movement in my
mind is bigger just from thatperspective and the fact that

Stoy Hall (01:14:14):
nothing's changed since I did see go from one and
a half chiefs to two and a halfbangles.
That's, yeah, that's a move.
Which I thought that meansMahomes had a bad report, but he
hasn't had a bad report I'mactually going under I don't see
this being I think I, I feellike both quarterbacks end up
being a little sloppier thanwe're used to Mahomes, cuz

(01:14:35):
there's injury in the burbecause of, pressure that
actually comes I think this willbe a little sloppier than
normal.
Beals might turn to the run gameearlier than you.
Then it's.