Divorce papers in one hand, social services forms in the other. A small-town doctor facing financial ruin after losing her six-figure job. But that's not where Dr. Tara Harding's story ends – it's where it begins.
Hear the raw, unfiltered journey of how rock bottom became the foundation for a healthcare revolution. From screaming on her bedroom floor to building a multi-state telehealth empire with 10 providers in just three years, Dr. Harding doesn't just talk about women's health – she's redefining it. Cutting through medical gaslighting and fighting legislative battles, this isn't your typical success story.
It's a battle cry for anyone who's been told "it's all in your head" or "this is just normal" when their body is screaming otherwise. No bullshit, no filter – just the brutal truth about healthcare, entrepreneurship, and finding your voice when everything is collapsing around you.
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Stoy (00:00):
Dr.
Tara Harding in the house.
Welcome to the show.
Hey everybody.
Not only are we going to have adoctor who's just phenomenal and
I don't have doctorate, she's abadass, so we're gonna get into
that.
But how her practice has comefull circle as we do now, a book
she has written, and we're gonnadive into women's health because
guess what?
We care mostly about women andminorities, and that's what it
(00:22):
is about.
So without further ado, Tara,welcome to the show.
Very excited.
Um, and I'm glad the weather isbetter for us both as we speak
today.
Tara Harding (00:30):
Yes.
A little bit of sunshine is allsomebody needs on these hard
days when we're trying to getthrough the grind.
Stoy (00:36):
Absolutely.
Well, let's start with yourstory, right?
We, everyone listening wants toknow who the.
The hell, why is he so excited?
Who the hell is this?
Who's
Tara Harding (00:44):
this small town girl?
What is going on here?
Stoy (00:47):
Lay.
Lay it out to everybody.
Tara Harding (00:48):
Lay it out.
I was born and raised in a townof 800 people.
Fun fact, let's go back thatfar.
And my career as a doctoratenurse practitioner was actually
serving and going back andmoving back to that rural
community.
And serving as a nursepractitioner, doing ER hospital
clinic, like there was no md.
We were strictly run on nursepractitioners.
(01:10):
It was super rewarding, but itbecame super exhausting at the
same time too.
And they're asking you questionsabout their medication refills
or the grocery store and itjust, it's a blessing to have
been able to do that.
But I went through my ownpersonal health experience in
the middle.
(01:30):
Of living there, working thereand serving there of
infertility, endometriosis, andjust a whole swoon of things.
And my, I knew my career neededto pivot after going through
what I did.
And it began with theinfertility piece.
And I was started a nonprofit,the first and only infertility
(01:52):
nonprofit in North Dakota in2019.
And a year later started as aninfertility coach.
And I air quote that because itwas such like a new thing and
there was like the, the interiordesigner was doing it and like
they were a bank teller and theywere a fertility coach.
And I was like, wait a minute,like I have a medical degree.
(02:14):
How can this anybody do that?
You know?
I just really wanted to giveback in a different way.
So I jumped into that career.
And about six months later,which would've been in 2022, I
started working on my basementin the town of 800 people, um,
doing telemedicine and virtualvisits as a clinician.
And I strictly focused onwomen's health and infertility
(02:34):
and it grew from there.
But I was soon met with divorceand just all of these other
personal aspects of my store,which I'm always happy to share
about.
But I realized that I needed tobe done with one chapter and
move into the other, but I wasgoing to do it in my time and in
(02:55):
my way, and I was gonna dopart-time.
You know, I can still serve thecommunity part-time.
I.
And I put in my letter to themasking for that, and they were
like, actually, we're, we don'tneed you no more.
Um, we're gonna mark you asneeded and we'll call you when
we need you.
So I went from a six figuretotal comfort.
You know, I can do both.
(03:15):
Burn the mnet oil on theevenings and weekends and just,
you know, do it all to, oh mygosh, what am I gonna do
financially, I'm the primaryincome maker of the family.
Six months later, my husband atthe time asked for a divorce.
Unexpected, but expected is howI word that.
And I was in social servicesparking lot with a packet in my
(03:36):
hand going, what am I?
How, what am I?
How do I pay for everything andyou know, support my son at the
time and do this and.
Be an entrepreneur.
And it was shortly after that Irealized that people quit their
six figure jobs to go be anentrepreneur.
And I was gonna take thatpacket, I filled it out, and I
was gonna put it off to the sidefor three months.
And if in 90 days I was notdoing well with my business, I
(03:58):
would turn that packet in and godown that road.
I.
But today, as of today, so itwas 2022, I am up to 10
providers in my clinic.
We are an in-person practice.
We are serving four states viatelemedicine and growing.
We're pediatrics, mental health,men's health, hormones,
infertility.
We are everything now a fullscope private practice clinic.
(04:20):
And I am, I still kept thatpacket somewhere.
It's somewhere in a box, uh,just to kind of, of the reminder
of the hardship and.
The hard times and you know,there's a plan to a plan to a
plan if you need it.
Stoy (04:31):
Yeah.
And I'm sure you have spoken toand know a lot of women went
through something similar toyou.
Right.
Never.
It's never the same, but Right.
Similar set of circumstances andmaybe aren't making it out the
way that you have and, and you,I would assume you're probably
at rock bottom or what youthought was rock bottom.
Talk to us about like theemotional, you know.
(04:51):
I guess trauma and rollercoasteryou went through because you
went from six figures to, youknow, obviously kids, six
figures, divorce Yeah.
Is now successful and that is a,not a, a long window of time
either.
We're not talking decades.
Right, right.
That is a very short window.
Talk us through like theemotional things and things you
had to know and recognizeinternally while you were going
through that journey.
Tara Harding (05:12):
Yeah, I did a lot of self-reflection because I was
putting my value in a paycheckand in a marriage that had been
crumbling for years.
But the piece that I rememberthe most was the, the choice.
Like I remember that rock bottomliterally, and I know many women
have done, like, when you'reliterally on your hands and
(05:33):
knees crying and screaming andlike, what am I gonna do in that
moment?
There's sometimes thoughts oflike, I'm never gonna get outta
this like this, and that was myhometown.
If you would've literally a, Imean like I know everything
about everybody in that town.
Born and raised, mom and dadwent to high school with them.
I literally used to say, neverin a million years would I lose
(05:54):
this job.
I'll be the one to determinewhen I'm done here.
Like I literally used to saythat and it happened.
So I also now look at thingslike a little more cautiously
too, of just be open, like don'tput so much value in.
My timing or my expectations ofthings too, just be open to what
(06:17):
I don't know if I ever would'veleft that job, and would I have
been able to give thisentrepreneurialship all that it
needed to take off if I would'vebeen dipping my toes into that?
And then with relationships too.
A lot of my ability to grow washindered by that marriage I was
in at that time.
He didn't understand.
(06:37):
I remember him saying, I don'tunderstand why you have to save
the world.
Why can't you just go to worknine to five?
So a lot of our worth andability is.
Coming from other voicessometimes too, right?
Like it might be your spouse,your partner, your friend, your
coworker, your parents, yourculture, the way you were
raised, like I was raised, likegrind, grind, grind, grind,
(06:59):
grind.
And you have to work hard tomake.
All of this money, and I'm stillto this day working on flipping
that switch.
I can't wait till I can like,oh, it's a four hour work week.
Like, I'm like, I joke today,I'm like, can I get to a four
hour work day?
Like a four hour work day wouldbe great.
Like, but like the culture thatyou were raised really does
actually impact that too.
(07:20):
So I remember a friend told me,Tara, I really think when you're
done with this marriage, you'regonna bloom and it.
Literally happened.
It, it just was like a sign ofwho I surround myself with.
I lo I've lost friendships fromkindergarten through this
growth.
That's been really hard too.
Like there's one that I stillstruggle with.
(07:41):
I don't know why I keep tryingto reach out to her and say,
happy birthday when there's,this is like my best friend, uh,
up until two years ago, likewhen this growth happened.
Gone.
Gone.
So there's a lot of.
Things I didn't know were gonnahappen that are normal.
The more I kind of talk toentrepreneurs, this stuff
happens.
(08:01):
Marriages, relationships,friendships dissolve.
Coworkers become jealous orenvious too.
And we'll even say things to tryto hold you back too.
And I wish I would've known thatso I kind of could have prepared
a little bit more instead ofbeing rock bottom on the side of
the bed screaming, kicking myparents, my relationship with my
parents.
So they lived in that.
Small town at the time too ofthe divorce.
(08:23):
And that rocked their world in away.
I, I'm like, okay, like, I,like, what's the community gonna
think?
Where's literally the wordsoutta my mom's mouth?
And I was just like, what?
Like, do you think I give a crapabout what?
Like, like I knew that marriagewas over for many years, but we
never really talked about it orsaid the word divorce.
(08:45):
It was.
Put, put Hayden down for a napat 2:00 PM come out.
He says, do you have time totalk?
I say, yeah, what's up?
He goes, I'm done.
I'm like, oh, with what?
He is like us.
And I'm like, what?
Like, it was like, what did youjust like, this is how you're
doing it on the Sunday afterThanksgiving.
Like I have to go to a townthree hours away and do a news
(09:06):
interview and my business, I'mgrowing tomorrow.
Like what is happening?
And so it was just like.
Even when, you know, somethingshould end, whether it's a job
or a relationship, I just liketo validate.
It's really hard and especiallywhen it's not on your terms.
Like there's a lot of thingsthat are not on our terms.
And so I've really tried to justlike let go of timelines in life
(09:26):
too.
Um, but I just validate andacknowledge how hard it is I've
been there and even though myturnaround time was shorter.
That was a decision I made andit was a lot of working on
myself.
I called it the year of terror,and I really deep dived into,
um, mental health hypnosis.
(09:47):
I found.
I got a business coach.
You know, I did some actionablesteps, even if it meant putting
it on the credit card and doingsome credit card debt for a
while just to make that piece ofit work.
But I had some plans in place.
I had that packet ready to fillout.
Like I kind of had somesafeguards in place to breathe
and have some oxygen for 90days, and I was gonna make some
(10:09):
decisions at that mark.
So put some timelines in placetoo, when those hard times are
there.
Realize, let the feelings movethrough.
You feel them, but don't letthem stick too long.
'cause that's when the ickylong-term mental health stuff
kind of builds and builds andbuilds and puts some support
systems in place too.
If you're in those hard spots
Stoy (10:28):
and understand.
One, you're not alone in yoursituation.
There's many out there.
And also no one has their shittogether as a business owner.
No,
Tara Harding (10:34):
nobody like
Stoy (10:35):
has it.
Tara Harding (10:36):
Why did I not know that either?
Like even more, I'm innetworking groups and all these
other, you know, resources.
I'm like.
You're just like me.
Okay.
Like you're not, I'm on an, I'mnot on an island actually,
there's not actually an island.
It's a city.
Stoy (10:48):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that, that's what's amazingabout entrepreneurship in
general.
When you start to network, andit doesn't matter what industry
by the way, right?
It's the same conversations, andthat's when you start to
understand.
What I call like the truedefinition of community,
community is not exactly whereyou live.
It's that support system aroundyou.
The ones that when you are goingto transition in something
(11:11):
different in your life that aresupporting you and pulling you
through that.
Not trying to pull you down.
That is the difference ofcommunity community's really
there to support you and be yourteam and be your closest ones
to, to help you.
And that's why entrepreneurentrepreneurs can't speak
anymore, come together andthey're all, they all come
(11:31):
together and really, we bitchthe most.
We just like, I got this goingon, this happened, this happened
really?
That just happened to me.
This is what I did.
Oh, okay.
And so that's where it comestogether.
So those listing that are.
Entrepreneurs and you feel likeyou're alone or even if you are
going through some things.
One, you're not figure out whoyour actual community is and
guess what You are gonna lose,friendships, uh, family, any of
(11:54):
that, that is, that will dropoff and it is very natural and
is very healthy for you as well.
Tara Harding (12:01):
Percent.
Yes.
So much yes to that.
Stoy (12:04):
So let's talk about the, the root of your business.
Right.
So telehealth has been aroundfor technically a while.
However, it really wasn't thatpopular.
I.
Tara Harding (12:13):
Yeah,
Stoy (12:13):
is I believe now even growing more and there's a lot
more to go.
Can you talk to everyone outthere and kind of go cut through
the misnomers of telehealth andwhere the importance lies now?
Specifically what's going on inour country with all the things
that we have, why telehealth isso important.
Tara Harding (12:31):
Yeah, I kind of like to say one of the only good
things that come out of the Cword, which I don't even like to
say it fully, was telemedicinereimbursement.
So for a provider, I was able togrow my business and be
reimbursed the same as if youwere in the clinic.
That is pivoting and changingsome now.
But what I saw happen and why Ithink it really grew was women
(12:54):
were having.
A medical visit with anotherfemale, and not that that
matters, but it was in theevening, or it was on a weekend,
or it was on the workday, but itwas in their environment, their
setting.
They'd be in their closet,they'd be laying in their bed.
They'd be sitting on their comfycouch with their blanket on
their lap.
And what that did was provide acomfortable setting for them to
(13:15):
really open up.
My first time meeting with them,I felt like I knew more about
them than their provider who hasprobably seen them for 10 years.
Did.
And I set that intention and Iset that safe space.
And I always do that with everyvisit.
I'm very big on training mystaff to do that.
We always say, you're in a safespace.
There's no judgment here.
You know, with medicalgaslighting, we have to really
(13:37):
break down some barriers and belike, I just want you to know
that no matter what, I'm notgonna judge you.
There's nothing silly, noquestions, silly, nothing you're
gonna ask, bring up or say to mea silly or off limits.
I wanna hear it all.
If you saw something online, Iwanna hear it.
So we really kind of set thatintention.
Um, right away too.
But what what it did was also,and what it still does is allow
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access to different or higherlevels of, of medical care or
something that's different thanwhat might be in their actual
physical community or setting,and allows'em to see somebody
outside that fits their needs ortheir desires or their style or
their preference better too.
Or provides, we, what we alwaystry to tell patients is create a
(14:18):
team, like don't have just oneperson working on your health
thinking if, if they, if oneperson thinks they know it all
about what's going on with yourhealth, that's like dangerous
stuff right there.
Or they start like, oh my gosh,chiropractor and pt, that
doesn't work.
If they start nagging on likewho you have on your team.
Not.
Okay.
And so what it does by doingtelemedicine too is allow you to
(14:39):
have a bigger healthcare team indifferent areas of the country,
of the world.
Um, and doesn't, doesn'trestrict or limit your access to
the choice of medical care.
That is, you get to pick, youget to pick who you want and
where you live and where theylive no longer matters.
And so it just kind of opens upthat door too for that.
Stoy (14:57):
That's phenomenal.
That's, it changed our industrytoo when I, when we talk about
financial planning and stuff forthat exact same reason.
Yeah.
And that's why I know you'rehuge on TikTok and things like
that, is that we get to bringour personality out and people
are attracted to us as opposedto like, just because we're
around the corner, I need totalk about this.
So, yep, we are.
Exactly.
Tara Harding (15:15):
And it just
Stoy (15:15):
allows truer, deeper relationships in my opinion.
And a lot of people are like,well, you need to be face to
face and like handshake.
Yeah, I get that.
That's important.
Yep.
Trust me.
Yeah.
Physical touch to humans ishuge.
Great.
But.
If I could go reach out to youwho we speak the same language,
we're on the same page, thatmeans more than the person I can
(15:36):
go down and shake hands with.
It just, it does so.
Exactly.
I love that.
For you, what are you doing toexpand that so that more people
are understanding of it andutilizing telehealth?
Because I truly don't believeit's being used to its capacity
at this point.
Tara Harding (15:50):
Yeah, it's not, one thing I'm doing is getting
my provider's license inmultiple states, so it's so
silly too, like if you put theword, like when I'm acting in my
coaching hat, I can step outsideand you know, there's certain
things I can do and can't dowith that, I.
But there's a lot of these likebigger companies popping up too,
that are providing sometelehealth services, which is
(16:12):
great, but just making sure thatmy staff is, is licensed and
credentialed appropriately too.
But when we can step into thecoaching space too, we can serve
I even more patients as wellwith that, um, in a more
intimate setting.
Because I always say topatients, think of how much time
of your, you know, typicalstandard medical appointment,
how much of that is hands on?
You know, really most of it istalking or them reading your
(16:35):
stuff beforehand anyway.
So unless you have somethingserious or critical going on.
Having a, a telemedicine visit,we can get more accomplished
too, because it's more talk timeand it's really focused and
honed in.
There's none of this, likeoutside people involved.
There's no front deskreceptionist, there's no, you
know, nurse or CMA taking yourvitals.
It's just me and you during thatsolid time, been able to connect
(16:58):
as well.
There's no one asking you otherquestions.
It's just me and you kind of aswell.
But because there's othercompanies too, you're able to
get all sorts of differentservices.
Like you said, yours is evenlike that too, that you maybe
didn't even have access to, youknow, rural or underserved areas
Wouldn't have had access toindividuals before, prior to
(17:19):
this in any area other than whois in the, in the back, the back
door, down the block from themtoo.
So.
It's really just increasing, Ihope.
I hope it's increasing thequality of care and access to
healthcare overall in all thedifferent areas.
Stoy (17:34):
Has that conversation shifted now that women's rights
being attacked in our countrypolitically right.
The geopolitics right now areabsolutely insane.
So confused everyone.
What's gonna go on the stockmarket?
I'm like, we're gonna get hitbecause I don't know what's
going on.
No one knows what's going on.
But specifically when it comesto women's rights and being
attacked from that perspective,what are you doing to highlight
that more?
'cause to me, that probablymeans they're less clinical and
(17:56):
more coaching, I would assume.
Tara Harding (17:58):
Yeah,
Stoy (17:59):
so they can get around some of that.
What are you doing to approachthat more, and what are some
things that you got working onto help with that?
Tara Harding (18:06):
Yeah, so one thing that personally I try to do is
like make all the social mediaI, I'm getting back into that.
I kind of had to hit pause onmaking all the fun social media
stuff for a while, but it's liketalking about it and breaking
those barriers down at thatlevel too.
So the nonprofit is where I domore of that work.
So since 2019, I've been tryingto get local state legislation
to pass, um, insurance access,to make it mandatory to pay for
(18:30):
infertility care and fertilitypreservation for cancer
patients.
Like it's just wild, but it's2025, this isn't done.
And so I'm just always hopefulthat things move at the federal
level because then states don'thave to do these grass root
painful processes to have thishappen.
And.
I hate to even bring this up,but I'll bring it up.
(18:51):
But like I would, every yearsince 2019, I've been making
strides and I feel other stateshave too.
We did not pass it this year.
We got close again, but then inNorth Dakota, and I have it on
my social, this lady stands upand a female legislator of all
people and starts spewingdisgusting words out of her
(19:11):
mouth.
That infertility is God's way ofsaying, you know, God's con
condemning women, and how if wewould just, you know, pray more
and confess our sins.
We would not be infertile.
And I'm just like, I don't carewhat side of the, what, where
your religion line is.
We can't be spewing that stuffon a legislative floor in 2025.
(19:33):
I mean, so what did I do?
So I had, I was like, oh mygosh, I'm gonna take this re,
I'm gonna turn it into rebecause.
North Dakotans need to know thatthis is what's going on inside
their capital building.
This is not okay on any level,on any side.
And then what I did is I took ita step further and I was like,
here's what you can do.
If you think what she did iswrong.
And I really started to educateand say, step one, use this
(19:54):
email, and email the ethicscommittee at the state and turn
her like turn around to simplyfill out their form and turn her
in.
If you feel what she did iswrong ethically.
So long and short of that wholesituation, what I'm trying to do
is.
Educate and raise awareness.
Awareness of like what is goingon inside your state capital
building when it comes towomen's rights.
There was a bill that would'vemade IVF illegal in North Dakota
(20:15):
that would've made access tomiscarriage care damaging for
women in North Dakota and.
It took a lot of, you know,social media posts and constant
stories to even, and trying toget the media and the news there
to bring awareness that this ishappening in our own back door.
And if you actually don't speakup, you, whether you have kids
(20:38):
or not, your kids, your niece,your nephew, your cousin, your
your coworkers, kids are gonnabe impacted by this.
This can't be happening.
Women need to have rights tomedical care.
Like should something happen.
And so it was really, um, I sawa huge increase in written
testimony come through, so itwas inspiring to see that we
(20:58):
filled up the room.
When we did our infertilitybill, the room was packed,
standing room only.
So I had to step back this yearand be like, maybe it wasn't
about passing the bill, but itwas about educating on what goes
on in there and what you can doif you don't think it's right.
Like get out and vote.
That's one thing that we'veheard forever, like.
That should just be a duh atthis point.
(21:19):
But like, here's why, becausethese people slip through the
doors and get elected in, and,and this is what they're voting
on.
Here's how they vote.
I said, here's a, here's apicture of the screen on how
your legislators voted on theseissues.
Take a screenshot of this.
Save your photos so you knowwhen reelection comes up for
these things.
Whatever side you're on, here'show they vote on this issue that
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matters to you most.
You know, and have aconversation with them.
Here's how to write them.
I made templates.
I try to just make it as easy aspossible for the neighbors, the
coworkers, the mom, the dad, thegrandparents, anybody to use
their voice, whether it was inperson, oral email, phone calls,
whatever.
I try to just make it as easy aspossible and educate.
And just know that I did thebest I can.
(22:02):
And when I saw that room fulland there was nursing students
there,'cause it was like nursesday at the capitol and when we
made the MA major mediaplatforms and there was, the
room was filled with newspeople, I was like, this is more
than just passing a bill.
This is about awareness.
And then I'm a little spicy andlike I'm not gonna get people,
let people get by with badbehavior.
(22:22):
Like I'm going to call you out.
And I made a couple reels andthey blew up.
And one individual, you know,they weren't happy about it, but
I don't care, do better.
When you're an elected official,you have a higher platform,
higher standard that you're heldto, so then it's like a week
later it comes federally forinfertility and other women's
health stuff, right?
Like that.
There's gonna be big movementson that.
(22:42):
So we'll sit tight for the next90 days and see where that is,
but.
Overall message is your voiceactually matters.
Like I know people don't thinkthat their vote or their voice
matters, and it really actuallydoes, even if it's at your
district level, your statelevel.
That's nowadays, that matters alot because a lot of what's
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happening on the federal levelis actually happening in your
own back door.
And that's probably everythingbeyond medical too.
But we see that a lot in thewomen's health space and the
infertility space is.
It's a lot of the same thingshappening across every state and
federally too.
Stoy (23:19):
Yeah, and I think what to simplify what you had said is we
used to be reactive, meaninglike to me, voting is reactive.
That's terrible.
Next time I'll vote correctly.
I think what you're talkingabout is being proactive for
once and I, yes.
Truly believe since 2020.
We, we we're getting really alot better at being proactive to
these things.
(23:39):
And I think that's what thedifference is.
And I love that you're doingthat.
And now you just inspired me.
I'm gonna start doing that.
Tara Harding (23:44):
Yay.
Stoy (23:45):
And poof.
But I'm going to, I'm going to,yeah,
Tara Harding (23:48):
it's hard.
And the thing I've seen since2019 is bipartisan support, and
I think that's just huge.
Like when my fertility bill.
Is both sides, young and oldmen, young and old women.
Like, it was so cool becausewhat happened, of course in
seven years, well some of theselegislators had children and
(24:08):
grandchildren go throughinfertility.
And I said that, I've said thatfrom day one.
Like, you will be impacted bythis.
It's one, it was one in eight,it's one in six.
Miscarriage is one in four.
That's a lot of around younesspeople here, you know?
And so they, they saw it happento them and they signed on, or
their opinions changed on itand.
Again, I think the, the, we'retalking about it more in the
(24:30):
media and on other levels too,which is just amazing.
I have to sometimes sit back andit's like, Tara, do you remember
when you would not tell your sixcoworkers that you worked with
back in 2017, what you weregoing through 2016, like you
were?
People don't believe that.
'cause I'm such a loud mouthabout stuff now, but.
I didn't tell them there was zipup six people didn't even know
(24:52):
what I was going through at thetime, including a miscarriage.
So I think it, we know it takestime to talk about hard stuff,
but now more than ever, it's soimportant to be talking about
that hard stuff too.
Even if it's just to one personor you know, your small group
around you absolutely
Stoy (25:06):
talk.
Just speak especially aboutmoney too.
Peeps.
Yes, please, please talk.
The more we talk, the quickeryou can heal.
Yeah, let's talk about.
Yeah, I haven't wrote a bookyet.
Everyone's telling me You betterwrite a book.
Fine.
I will at some point.
I promise people, but it'seasier
Tara Harding (25:20):
than you need to make it.
I made it way too hard.
You can make this easy.
Stoy (25:24):
I'm just like you.
So how about you write it forme?
There you go.
Tara Harding (25:28):
Have a ghost writer.
Go to Rezi.
Like, shout out to that.
Whatever that company is likethere, I got cool stuff on
there.
You can have people help youwith everything.
I wish I would've known thatbefore I invested poorly in my
decision.
Stoy (25:42):
Talk to us about your book.
Tara Harding (25:44):
Yeah, so what's funny about that is I originally
inserted this book writingjourney when I was actually
going through infertility.
And then life happened.
Like I didn't have time to writea book, went through divorce and
being rock bottom financially,physically, emotionally,
mentally.
So I kind of got put on hold,um, grew my business and about a
year and a half into that I waslike, okay, I wanna do this
again.
But like my, my storylines kindof changed and like.
(26:08):
I wasn't in it for money, and Isoon learned that this is more
of just a, a tool to helpothers.
This book isn't gonna make mewads of money and I, I want it
to just get my voice out therein a different way.
And so I really, I had to likego against the editor at the
time.
Um, again, lots of money thatdidn't need to be spent, would
(26:29):
not recommend the road.
I went happy to share that onthe side with anybody, but, uh,
would not recommend that.
I just write my words down andnot let outside people again
influence what I wanted thatbook to be, and even if it was a
little bit spicy.
So it's about medicalgaslighting specifically to
women's health and how we're metwith, you know, women are
diagnosed with cancer four yearslater than men.
(26:50):
Women received 25% less painmeds in the ER or the hospital
than men.
Lots of gaslighting going on inthe women's space a lot.
Most eight out of 10 women weremet with when they went in for
physical symptoms.
They were met with what must beanxiety or depression and a
mental health referral forphysical symptoms and concerns.
And so there was this data thatwas kind of presented to me too,
(27:13):
and I saw it every day, everyvisit in my office to this day.
I'm like, you've gotta bekidding me.
This is even happening likelocally at this, Tara, at this
level.
Tara.
Like, you gotta do somethingabout it.
And so I turned this book intoa, my story.
This is the beginning half ofit, of course, but like some
tools and some script even forwomen to utilize when they are
(27:34):
met with this resistance fromtheir healthcare provider.
Walking them through how tobuild a team and what medical
gas lighting is like, what theheck is that wording?
Like what does it look like?
You know, if you've been metwith resistance, if you're like,
I just don't feel good.
I'm fatigued.
I'm losing my hair, I'm gettingweight for no reason.
Like, well, your labs arenormal, you know, I don't know.
Here's your SSRI.
Like that's medical gaslighting.
(27:55):
You know, if they're offeringmore tests, outside opinions, or
if you've started something thatthey've presented with you as a
treatment plan and it's notworking, and they're like.
If there's nothing else you cando or they pin it off as
something else, I walk'emthrough that in the book.
And then some self-care tips andthings too.
I know that sounds like so likeblah, but it's like things I did
and things that I found to beuseful.
(28:17):
Whether you live in a town of800 people or you live in a town
of 8 million people, I feel likeyou can do some of those things
in there.
And I tried to put some actionsteps at the end of every
chapter.
I'm like, here's what you can doafter reading this chapter too.
So I wanted it to just be.
The cover itself.
I had a little bit differentview on that too, but it was
like it's bandages and in fact,here, lemme show you if you
(28:39):
don't mind.
Go ahead right here.
You know, it's, it's the commonstatements that women hear all
the time when they go in, youknow, like it's just anxiety or
you know, it's all in your head.
Just lose weight, like weightloss too.
A lot of things are like if youjust lose weight or if you just
gain weight, you know, show thewoman's too small, then she's
too big, you know, or it'snormal for your age when the
(29:00):
reality is is a lot of researchand data has changed to
perimenopause and menopause, andthere's a lot of things you can
do that are safe and effective.
That women aren't even beingtold about or given as an
option.
So what telemedicine does too isjust give you options.
But I just wanted to overcome,help women overcome the medical
gaslighting and let them know,Hey, you're not like they come
(29:21):
in like, I'm crazy.
You're not actually crazy.
Your symptoms are real.
They are real.
You just have to find the rightteam just because they think
nothing's wrong or they said.
This is normal.
Doesn't mean it is, it justmeans they're not the right fit
for you at this time anymore.
And so just kind of workingthrough how to like break up or
go to a different provider.
'cause some of these people havebeen with them for 10, 15, 20
(29:43):
years.
I sure don't wear the same shoesI wore 20 years ago.
You know?
So we outgrow people too.
Just like we outgrow houses andcars and shoes.
We outgrow our medical team too,and that's okay.
So just to kind of provide some.
It is okay to outgrow that too.
Or you can go back to them andcreate some normalization around
that too.
Stoy (30:04):
We're definitely in a time period where, I don't wanna say
we, we lack loyalty.
'cause that's not it.
We are loyal.
But the thing is, we don't needto be with someone, company
person for 30 years.
No, no.
Because we all have differenttypes and parts of our life that
we grow and I think that that'sreally what.
Is different about today'ssociety is the fact that we can
(30:25):
do that.
Tara Harding (30:25):
Yes.
Um,
Stoy (30:26):
so I, I love the fact that, you know, we're gonna have
your book in the description, soeveryone listening, it'll be in
there.
Don't worry about it, is towrite something like that, to
help that perspective Yep.
And give Yep.
Just normalize that to know it'sokay.
Tara Harding (30:38):
Absolutely.
Yep.
Stoy (30:40):
So as we wrap up, we, we always ask two questions.
Okay.
It can be kind of deep.
Okay, but you've already openedup to me, so yeah, already.
Okay.
First one is, what is your firstmoney memory?
Tara Harding (30:54):
Gosh, I almost could like see the picture in my
head as you did that.
Of course.
Small town girls.
So I was a babysitter, right?
I was the local babysitter and Idid not like it either.
But I bought a pair of DocMartins, I saved.
Like months of Saturday nightbabysitting to buy those Doc
Martens.
I should have kept them.
They are legit, I swear back instyle now.
(31:15):
Like, I was like, okay, thoseare, those are the shoes.
I saved my first money,honestly, that I will confess
this because I think I shouldknow.
It's like, I don't know, balancea checkbook, like I balancing a
checkbook was something that Istruggled with.
So there's also like the goodmemory and there's kind of like
that anxious memory too of like.
I didn't even know how to, whatto balance that checkbooks, like
balancing money and, and thatkind of anxiety that went along
(31:35):
with
Stoy (31:36):
it too.
So now as, and I'm gonna tie alot of full circles in, so
everyone, I'm gonna say fullcircle a lot.
As we tie into those memoriesfull circle to today, how do
those affect you or have youseen those two memories affect
you currently?
Tara Harding (31:49):
Oh for sure.
Like I have had to do a lot ofwork.
I still am doing a lot of workaround looking at my checking
account, knowing and where everycharge is coming from and going,
because it's easy just to belike, oh yeah, I kind of know
sort of what's going on overhere.
But it goes back that anxietyand not being taught, right,
like money literacy is huge andI didn't have that.
(32:10):
Growing up in a small town of800 people.
Like my school is actuallyamazing, but that just wasn't
something that was taught then.
And then.
Another money memory came along.
What we did in our, our Town alot was we had to work
concession stands.
And I joke to this day, like tothis day, if I had to count
money back to you, I couldn't doit.
But I can do CPR put a chesttube in you if you're in a car
accident.
(32:30):
Like I can't count base my, it'snot wired that way.
Yeah, so it has totallytransferred over into my
workplace too, and that big fearof what am I gonna do when I got
divorced?
Like he wasn't even the mainmoney maker, right?
Like I was so like there was alot of like old, like fear and
money driven, or again, how youwere raised and what you were
(32:52):
brought up around.
You think that impacts you orhow you have to be or what you
have to do.
And really focusing and saying,actually, actually there's other
ways to do things.
There's different ways to dothings.
How I was raised, what I wastaught, and I, I literally just
said the other day, I don't knowif, if I had to count money back
to somebody, I, I just don'tthink I could do it.
That sounds so silly and stupid,but like, I, I joke about it now
(33:14):
'cause it's true.
Like if you're like, don't throwa court if it's 75 cents, I'm
done what?
Count me out.
Like, I'm like out here like 35cents.
Not, not happening.
And I still use my fingers tocount a lot.
So that's like fun fact there.
But it has and it does, and I'mstill working on.
Just doing it more often.
(33:34):
You know, weekly versus monthly,even now is my next step.
I'm pretty proud of like.
How I've kind of overcome thatIAL and learned to reinvest my
money and not, not make stupid.
I made some stupid choices as a,as a college student with money
and the credit cards, but I'm nolonger in that space of like,
okay, wait, no, actually, if Ireinvest and learning from
(33:55):
others too, how to appropriatelyinvest my money and my time as
well too.
So it's still there.
I'm working through the anxiety,but it's getting much better.
Stoy (34:03):
You'll always be on that path.
I promise you, everyone, thattrauma, if you call it trauma
from your children, yeah, thosemounting memories, they're part
of you.
You just have to work throughthem.
You'll never get ahead of them.
And I've seen it.
You embrace it.
Tara Harding (34:17):
Like, I can't cut money back with a pizza stand.
Like, okay, ha ha.
And a rummage sale.
I guess
Stoy (34:26):
I did talk about full circle again, we didn't get to
that part, but from yourbusiness, you had started from,
you know, the coaching side,running now more of a clinician
side.
Yep.
And now you're saying, Hey, Ikind of wanna go back to
coaching.
Talk to us about going fullcircle and why that's so
important to you as a person.
Tara Harding (34:44):
Yeah, I just feel getting back into the coaching
space, um, specifically beingable to even open up to group
coaching.
I can help more women.
Like my goal from day one hasalways been how many women can I
help?
I can't I to get the ego outtathe way.
I can't do this alone.
Yes, it's my magic protocol,sauce, tricks, whatever I have
in the clinic.
But if I have sign some legalforms, I can teach and teach
(35:05):
them.
They can do just as good of ajob as I can.
So I have to kind of like getthat ego out of the way too.
And what I soon realized, youknow, that clinician piece gets
to be a little heavy sometimes.
What I love was coaching.
I love the zoom, so when I likewomen from all over the world, I
get to meet and do more of that.
When I'm speaking on a stage infront of hundreds of people, I
(35:26):
can help more women that way andget my message across and
hopefully help them feel better,faster, sooner.
Then even I had to go through,you know, there's a lot of
misconceptions and myths outthere that women think about
their health and when I go backinto the coaching space and the
speaking space and the book andall of that, I'm able to serve
more women.
(35:46):
I'm like, my crew's got this,not the clinic.
And I'm still there a littlebit, but like I'm ready to just
to be back in that coachingspace and just help more women
from across the world justinstead of just my backyard.
Stoy (35:59):
Absolutely.
Well this, this last question isto do exactly that.
So we always ask what is onething, action item, idea,
thought, concept, whatever youwanna say that listeners right
now can take instill into theirlife and help them on their
journey.
Tara Harding (36:16):
Yeah, I'll say, make book that appointment.
Do it again.
I don't care if it's eighth orninth time, do it.
Maybe someone else, maybe we'regonna find somebody else that
we're gonna see, but put yourhealth priority again, because
so many of us have put ourcommunities, our work, our
organizations, our kids, ourspouses, our da da.
We put everything first.
Women are notorious for that andwe put our health last until
(36:38):
it's like detrimental and you'rereally feeling the physical
impact.
And by that point it's prettydeep and a lot of work we gotta
do to pull you outta that hole.
So even if you might be feelinggreat, it's like, hey, just make
that appointment.
Get some basic lab, get somebasic conversations going again
around your house health andmake sure things are on point.
Maybe you can optimize yourhealth even.
Maybe you are good, but youcould do better in anti-aging.
(37:00):
You know, I'm really gettinginto our clinically into
anti-aging medicine and all ofthat.
But just put yourself first,again in your health aspect and
know that you're worthy of that,because we often feel that
selfish or I'm not that bad, soit doesn't matter.
And that's just not the case.
Like if you don't feel good, ifyou have.
Any concerns, even if it's onething I'm, I'm begging women to
(37:22):
please go and have that checkedout or just have a conversation
or just go to your yearlywellness exam and just use that
as some time to talk about basichealth preventative instead of
being reactive, be do somepreventative stuff again too.
Stoy (37:36):
I love it.
Just set it, set thatappointment.
Who cares if it's the eighth orninth one?
Yep.
Take it.
So, comment, share, not'causethe algorithm.
We really don't care about that.
But we want to help you and theonly way we can help you is if
you reach out.
So absolutely.
Whether you're needing help oneither side, reach out to either
one of us.
We will gladly connect, um, aswell as let us know what you're
wanting to know so we can createmore content.
(37:57):
I'm sure if you have thatquestion, there's a million
others out there that have thatsame question, and we're very
spicy as you like to put it,Tara.
We're spicy in our content.
We love to say what we wanna sayand we're gonna be that voice
for you.
So please do that.
That's the only ask I have forour listeners as we go.
But thank you.
Appreciate you coming on.
Everyone get the book, it'll,again, it'll be in the
description.
(38:17):
Follow her back on our socialmedia on TikTok,'cause those are
coming out soon.
At least I'm pushing that so.
At it soon, and I appreciateyour time and truly everything
that you do, you're amazing.
I look forward to many moreconversations down the road.
Yes, thank you.
Dr.
Tara Harding in the house.
Welcome to the show.
Hey everybody.
Not only are we going to have adoctor who's just phenomenal and
I don't have doctorate, she's abadass, so we're gonna get into
that.
But how her practice has comefull circle as we do now, a book
she has written, and we're gonnadive into women's health because
guess what?
We care mostly about women andminorities, and that's what it
(00:22):
is about.
So without further ado, Tara,welcome to the show.
Very excited.
Um, and I'm glad the weather isbetter for us both as we speak
today.
Tara Harding (00:30):
Yes.
A little bit of sunshine is allsomebody needs on these hard
days when we're trying to getthrough the grind.
Stoy (00:36):
Absolutely.
Well, let's start with yourstory, right?
We, everyone listening wants toknow who the.
The hell, why is he so excited?
Who the hell is this?
Who's
Tara Harding (00:44):
this small town girl?
What is going on here?
Stoy (00:47):
Lay.
Lay it out to everybody.
Tara Harding (00:48):
Lay it out.
I was born and raised in a townof 800 people.
Fun fact, let's go back thatfar.
And my career as a doctoratenurse practitioner was actually
serving and going back andmoving back to that rural
community.
And serving as a nursepractitioner, doing ER hospital
clinic, like there was no md.
We were strictly run on nursepractitioners.
(01:10):
It was super rewarding, but itbecame super exhausting at the
same time too.
And they're asking you questionsabout their medication refills
or the grocery store and itjust, it's a blessing to have
been able to do that.
But I went through my ownpersonal health experience in
the middle.
(01:30):
Of living there, working thereand serving there of
infertility, endometriosis, andjust a whole swoon of things.
And my, I knew my career neededto pivot after going through
what I did.
And it began with theinfertility piece.
And I was started a nonprofit,the first and only infertility
(01:52):
nonprofit in North Dakota in2019.
And a year later started as aninfertility coach.
And I air quote that because itwas such like a new thing and
there was like the, the interiordesigner was doing it and like
they were a bank teller and theywere a fertility coach.
And I was like, wait a minute,like I have a medical degree.
(02:14):
How can this anybody do that?
You know?
I just really wanted to giveback in a different way.
So I jumped into that career.
And about six months later,which would've been in 2022, I
started working on my basementin the town of 800 people, um,
doing telemedicine and virtualvisits as a clinician.
And I strictly focused onwomen's health and infertility
(02:34):
and it grew from there.
But I was soon met with divorceand just all of these other
personal aspects of my store,which I'm always happy to share
about.
But I realized that I needed tobe done with one chapter and
move into the other, but I wasgoing to do it in my time and in
(02:55):
my way, and I was gonna dopart-time.
You know, I can still serve thecommunity part-time.
I.
And I put in my letter to themasking for that, and they were
like, actually, we're, we don'tneed you no more.
Um, we're gonna mark you asneeded and we'll call you when
we need you.
So I went from a six figuretotal comfort.
You know, I can do both.
(03:15):
Burn the mnet oil on theevenings and weekends and just,
you know, do it all to, oh mygosh, what am I gonna do
financially, I'm the primaryincome maker of the family.
Six months later, my husband atthe time asked for a divorce.
Unexpected, but expected is howI word that.
And I was in social servicesparking lot with a packet in my
(03:36):
hand going, what am I?
How, what am I?
How do I pay for everything andyou know, support my son at the
time and do this and.
Be an entrepreneur.
And it was shortly after that Irealized that people quit their
six figure jobs to go be anentrepreneur.
And I was gonna take thatpacket, I filled it out, and I
was gonna put it off to the sidefor three months.
And if in 90 days I was notdoing well with my business, I
(03:58):
would turn that packet in and godown that road.
I.
But today, as of today, so itwas 2022, I am up to 10
providers in my clinic.
We are an in-person practice.
We are serving four states viatelemedicine and growing.
We're pediatrics, mental health,men's health, hormones,
infertility.
We are everything now a fullscope private practice clinic.
(04:20):
And I am, I still kept thatpacket somewhere.
It's somewhere in a box, uh,just to kind of, of the reminder
of the hardship and.
The hard times and you know,there's a plan to a plan to a
plan if you need it.
Stoy (04:31):
Yeah.
And I'm sure you have spoken toand know a lot of women went
through something similar toyou.
Right.
Never.
It's never the same, but Right.
Similar set of circumstances andmaybe aren't making it out the
way that you have and, and you,I would assume you're probably
at rock bottom or what youthought was rock bottom.
Talk to us about like theemotional, you know.
(04:51):
I guess trauma and rollercoasteryou went through because you
went from six figures to, youknow, obviously kids, six
figures, divorce Yeah.
Is now successful and that is a,not a, a long window of time
either.
We're not talking decades.
Right, right.
That is a very short window.
Talk us through like theemotional things and things you
had to know and recognizeinternally while you were going
through that journey.
Tara Harding (05:12):
Yeah, I did a lot of self-reflection because I was
putting my value in a paycheckand in a marriage that had been
crumbling for years.
But the piece that I rememberthe most was the, the choice.
Like I remember that rock bottomliterally, and I know many women
have done, like, when you'reliterally on your hands and
(05:33):
knees crying and screaming andlike, what am I gonna do in that
moment?
There's sometimes thoughts oflike, I'm never gonna get outta
this like this, and that was myhometown.
If you would've literally a, Imean like I know everything
about everybody in that town.
Born and raised, mom and dadwent to high school with them.
I literally used to say, neverin a million years would I lose
(05:54):
this job.
I'll be the one to determinewhen I'm done here.
Like I literally used to saythat and it happened.
So I also now look at thingslike a little more cautiously
too, of just be open, like don'tput so much value in.
My timing or my expectations ofthings too, just be open to what
(06:17):
I don't know if I ever would'veleft that job, and would I have
been able to give thisentrepreneurialship all that it
needed to take off if I would'vebeen dipping my toes into that?
And then with relationships too.
A lot of my ability to grow washindered by that marriage I was
in at that time.
He didn't understand.
(06:37):
I remember him saying, I don'tunderstand why you have to save
the world.
Why can't you just go to worknine to five?
So a lot of our worth andability is.
Coming from other voicessometimes too, right?
Like it might be your spouse,your partner, your friend, your
coworker, your parents, yourculture, the way you were
raised, like I was raised, likegrind, grind, grind, grind,
(06:59):
grind.
And you have to work hard tomake.
All of this money, and I'm stillto this day working on flipping
that switch.
I can't wait till I can like,oh, it's a four hour work week.
Like, I'm like, I joke today,I'm like, can I get to a four
hour work day?
Like a four hour work day wouldbe great.
Like, but like the culture thatyou were raised really does
actually impact that too.
(07:20):
So I remember a friend told me,Tara, I really think when you're
done with this marriage, you'regonna bloom and it.
Literally happened.
It, it just was like a sign ofwho I surround myself with.
I lo I've lost friendships fromkindergarten through this
growth.
That's been really hard too.
Like there's one that I stillstruggle with.
(07:41):
I don't know why I keep tryingto reach out to her and say,
happy birthday when there's,this is like my best friend, uh,
up until two years ago, likewhen this growth happened.
Gone.
Gone.
So there's a lot of.
Things I didn't know were gonnahappen that are normal.
The more I kind of talk toentrepreneurs, this stuff
happens.
(08:01):
Marriages, relationships,friendships dissolve.
Coworkers become jealous orenvious too.
And we'll even say things to tryto hold you back too.
And I wish I would've known thatso I kind of could have prepared
a little bit more instead ofbeing rock bottom on the side of
the bed screaming, kicking myparents, my relationship with my
parents.
So they lived in that.
Small town at the time too ofthe divorce.
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And that rocked their world in away.
I, I'm like, okay, like, I,like, what's the community gonna
think?
Where's literally the wordsoutta my mom's mouth?
And I was just like, what?
Like, do you think I give a crapabout what?
Like, like I knew that marriagewas over for many years, but we
never really talked about it orsaid the word divorce.
(08:45):
It was.
Put, put Hayden down for a napat 2:00 PM come out.
He says, do you have time totalk?
I say, yeah, what's up?
He goes, I'm done.
I'm like, oh, with what?
He is like us.
And I'm like, what?
Like, it was like, what did youjust like, this is how you're
doing it on the Sunday afterThanksgiving.
Like I have to go to a townthree hours away and do a news
(09:06):
interview and my business, I'mgrowing tomorrow.
Like what is happening?
And so it was just like.
Even when, you know, somethingshould end, whether it's a job
or a relationship, I just liketo validate.
It's really hard and especiallywhen it's not on your terms.
Like there's a lot of thingsthat are not on our terms.
And so I've really tried to justlike let go of timelines in life
(09:26):
too.
Um, but I just validate andacknowledge how hard it is I've
been there and even though myturnaround time was shorter.
That was a decision I made andit was a lot of working on
myself.
I called it the year of terror,and I really deep dived into,
um, mental health hypnosis.
(09:47):
I found.
I got a business coach.
You know, I did some actionablesteps, even if it meant putting
it on the credit card and doingsome credit card debt for a
while just to make that piece ofit work.
But I had some plans in place.
I had that packet ready to fillout.
Like I kind of had somesafeguards in place to breathe
and have some oxygen for 90days, and I was gonna make some
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decisions at that mark.
So put some timelines in placetoo, when those hard times are
there.
Realize, let the feelings movethrough.
You feel them, but don't letthem stick too long.
'cause that's when the ickylong-term mental health stuff
kind of builds and builds andbuilds and puts some support
systems in place too.
If you're in those hard spots
Stoy (10:28):
and understand.
One, you're not alone in yoursituation.
There's many out there.
And also no one has their shittogether as a business owner.
No,
Tara Harding (10:34):
nobody like
Stoy (10:35):
has it.
Tara Harding (10:36):
Why did I not know that either?
Like even more, I'm innetworking groups and all these
other, you know, resources.
I'm like.
You're just like me.
Okay.
Like you're not, I'm on an, I'mnot on an island actually,
there's not actually an island.
It's a city.
Stoy (10:48):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that, that's what's amazingabout entrepreneurship in
general.
When you start to network, andit doesn't matter what industry
by the way, right?
It's the same conversations, andthat's when you start to
understand.
What I call like the truedefinition of community,
community is not exactly whereyou live.
It's that support system aroundyou.
The ones that when you are goingto transition in something
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different in your life that aresupporting you and pulling you
through that.
Not trying to pull you down.
That is the difference ofcommunity community's really
there to support you and be yourteam and be your closest ones
to, to help you.
And that's why entrepreneurentrepreneurs can't speak
anymore, come together andthey're all, they all come
(11:31):
together and really, we bitchthe most.
We just like, I got this goingon, this happened, this happened
really?
That just happened to me.
This is what I did.
Oh, okay.
And so that's where it comestogether.
So those listing that are.
Entrepreneurs and you feel likeyou're alone or even if you are
going through some things.
One, you're not figure out whoyour actual community is and
guess what You are gonna lose,friendships, uh, family, any of
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that, that is, that will dropoff and it is very natural and
is very healthy for you as well.
Tara Harding (12:01):
Percent.
Yes.
So much yes to that.
Stoy (12:04):
So let's talk about the, the root of your business.
Right.
So telehealth has been aroundfor technically a while.
However, it really wasn't thatpopular.
I.
Tara Harding (12:13):
Yeah,
Stoy (12:13):
is I believe now even growing more and there's a lot
more to go.
Can you talk to everyone outthere and kind of go cut through
the misnomers of telehealth andwhere the importance lies now?
Specifically what's going on inour country with all the things
that we have, why telehealth isso important.
Tara Harding (12:31):
Yeah, I kind of like to say one of the only good
things that come out of the Cword, which I don't even like to
say it fully, was telemedicinereimbursement.
So for a provider, I was able togrow my business and be
reimbursed the same as if youwere in the clinic.
That is pivoting and changingsome now.
But what I saw happen and why Ithink it really grew was women
(12:54):
were having.
A medical visit with anotherfemale, and not that that
matters, but it was in theevening, or it was on a weekend,
or it was on the workday, but itwas in their environment, their
setting.
They'd be in their closet,they'd be laying in their bed.
They'd be sitting on their comfycouch with their blanket on
their lap.
And what that did was provide acomfortable setting for them to
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really open up.
My first time meeting with them,I felt like I knew more about
them than their provider who hasprobably seen them for 10 years.
Did.
And I set that intention and Iset that safe space.
And I always do that with everyvisit.
I'm very big on training mystaff to do that.
We always say, you're in a safespace.
There's no judgment here.
You know, with medicalgaslighting, we have to really
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break down some barriers and belike, I just want you to know
that no matter what, I'm notgonna judge you.
There's nothing silly, noquestions, silly, nothing you're
gonna ask, bring up or say to mea silly or off limits.
I wanna hear it all.
If you saw something online, Iwanna hear it.
So we really kind of set thatintention.
Um, right away too.
But what what it did was also,and what it still does is allow
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access to different or higherlevels of, of medical care or
something that's different thanwhat might be in their actual
physical community or setting,and allows'em to see somebody
outside that fits their needs ortheir desires or their style or
their preference better too.
Or provides, we, what we alwaystry to tell patients is create a
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team, like don't have just oneperson working on your health
thinking if, if they, if oneperson thinks they know it all
about what's going on with yourhealth, that's like dangerous
stuff right there.
Or they start like, oh my gosh,chiropractor and pt, that
doesn't work.
If they start nagging on likewho you have on your team.
Not.
Okay.
And so what it does by doingtelemedicine too is allow you to
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have a bigger healthcare team indifferent areas of the country,
of the world.
Um, and doesn't, doesn'trestrict or limit your access to
the choice of medical care.
That is, you get to pick, youget to pick who you want and
where you live and where theylive no longer matters.
And so it just kind of opens upthat door too for that.
Stoy (14:57):
That's phenomenal.
That's, it changed our industrytoo when I, when we talk about
financial planning and stuff forthat exact same reason.
Yeah.
And that's why I know you'rehuge on TikTok and things like
that, is that we get to bringour personality out and people
are attracted to us as opposedto like, just because we're
around the corner, I need totalk about this.
So, yep, we are.
Exactly.
Tara Harding (15:15):
And it just
Stoy (15:15):
allows truer, deeper relationships in my opinion.
And a lot of people are like,well, you need to be face to
face and like handshake.
Yeah, I get that.
That's important.
Yep.
Trust me.
Yeah.
Physical touch to humans ishuge.
Great.
But.
If I could go reach out to youwho we speak the same language,
we're on the same page, thatmeans more than the person I can
(15:36):
go down and shake hands with.
It just, it does so.
Exactly.
I love that.
For you, what are you doing toexpand that so that more people
are understanding of it andutilizing telehealth?
Because I truly don't believeit's being used to its capacity
at this point.
Tara Harding (15:50):
Yeah, it's not, one thing I'm doing is getting
my provider's license inmultiple states, so it's so
silly too, like if you put theword, like when I'm acting in my
coaching hat, I can step outsideand you know, there's certain
things I can do and can't dowith that, I.
But there's a lot of these likebigger companies popping up too,
that are providing sometelehealth services, which is
(16:12):
great, but just making sure thatmy staff is, is licensed and
credentialed appropriately too.
But when we can step into thecoaching space too, we can serve
I even more patients as wellwith that, um, in a more
intimate setting.
Because I always say topatients, think of how much time
of your, you know, typicalstandard medical appointment,
how much of that is hands on?
You know, really most of it istalking or them reading your
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stuff beforehand anyway.
So unless you have somethingserious or critical going on.
Having a, a telemedicine visit,we can get more accomplished
too, because it's more talk timeand it's really focused and
honed in.
There's none of this, likeoutside people involved.
There's no front deskreceptionist, there's no, you
know, nurse or CMA taking yourvitals.
It's just me and you during thatsolid time, been able to connect
(16:58):
as well.
There's no one asking you otherquestions.
It's just me and you kind of aswell.
But because there's othercompanies too, you're able to
get all sorts of differentservices.
Like you said, yours is evenlike that too, that you maybe
didn't even have access to, youknow, rural or underserved areas
Wouldn't have had access toindividuals before, prior to
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this in any area other than whois in the, in the back, the back
door, down the block from themtoo.
So.
It's really just increasing, Ihope.
I hope it's increasing thequality of care and access to
healthcare overall in all thedifferent areas.
Stoy (17:34):
Has that conversation shifted now that women's rights
being attacked in our countrypolitically right.
The geopolitics right now areabsolutely insane.
So confused everyone.
What's gonna go on the stockmarket?
I'm like, we're gonna get hitbecause I don't know what's
going on.
No one knows what's going on.
But specifically when it comesto women's rights and being
attacked from that perspective,what are you doing to highlight
that more?
'cause to me, that probablymeans they're less clinical and
(17:56):
more coaching, I would assume.
Tara Harding (17:58):
Yeah,
Stoy (17:59):
so they can get around some of that.
What are you doing to approachthat more, and what are some
things that you got working onto help with that?
Tara Harding (18:06):
Yeah, so one thing that personally I try to do is
like make all the social mediaI, I'm getting back into that.
I kind of had to hit pause onmaking all the fun social media
stuff for a while, but it's liketalking about it and breaking
those barriers down at thatlevel too.
So the nonprofit is where I domore of that work.
So since 2019, I've been tryingto get local state legislation
to pass, um, insurance access,to make it mandatory to pay for
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infertility care and fertilitypreservation for cancer
patients.
Like it's just wild, but it's2025, this isn't done.
And so I'm just always hopefulthat things move at the federal
level because then states don'thave to do these grass root
painful processes to have thishappen.
And.
I hate to even bring this up,but I'll bring it up.
(18:51):
But like I would, every yearsince 2019, I've been making
strides and I feel other stateshave too.
We did not pass it this year.
We got close again, but then inNorth Dakota, and I have it on
my social, this lady stands upand a female legislator of all
people and starts spewingdisgusting words out of her
(19:11):
mouth.
That infertility is God's way ofsaying, you know, God's con
condemning women, and how if wewould just, you know, pray more
and confess our sins.
We would not be infertile.
And I'm just like, I don't carewhat side of the, what, where
your religion line is.
We can't be spewing that stuffon a legislative floor in 2025.
(19:33):
I mean, so what did I do?
So I had, I was like, oh mygosh, I'm gonna take this re,
I'm gonna turn it into rebecause.
North Dakotans need to know thatthis is what's going on inside
their capital building.
This is not okay on any level,on any side.
And then what I did is I took ita step further and I was like,
here's what you can do.
If you think what she did iswrong.
And I really started to educateand say, step one, use this
(19:54):
email, and email the ethicscommittee at the state and turn
her like turn around to simplyfill out their form and turn her
in.
If you feel what she did iswrong ethically.
So long and short of that wholesituation, what I'm trying to do
is.
Educate and raise awareness.
Awareness of like what is goingon inside your state capital
building when it comes towomen's rights.
There was a bill that would'vemade IVF illegal in North Dakota
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that would've made access tomiscarriage care damaging for
women in North Dakota and.
It took a lot of, you know,social media posts and constant
stories to even, and trying toget the media and the news there
to bring awareness that this ishappening in our own back door.
And if you actually don't speakup, you, whether you have kids
(20:38):
or not, your kids, your niece,your nephew, your cousin, your
your coworkers, kids are gonnabe impacted by this.
This can't be happening.
Women need to have rights tomedical care.
Like should something happen.
And so it was really, um, I sawa huge increase in written
testimony come through, so itwas inspiring to see that we
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filled up the room.
When we did our infertilitybill, the room was packed,
standing room only.
So I had to step back this yearand be like, maybe it wasn't
about passing the bill, but itwas about educating on what goes
on in there and what you can doif you don't think it's right.
Like get out and vote.
That's one thing that we'veheard forever, like.
That should just be a duh atthis point.
(21:19):
But like, here's why, becausethese people slip through the
doors and get elected in, and,and this is what they're voting
on.
Here's how they vote.
I said, here's a, here's apicture of the screen on how
your legislators voted on theseissues.
Take a screenshot of this.
Save your photos so you knowwhen reelection comes up for
these things.
Whatever side you're on, here'show they vote on this issue that
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matters to you most.
You know, and have aconversation with them.
Here's how to write them.
I made templates.
I try to just make it as easy aspossible for the neighbors, the
coworkers, the mom, the dad, thegrandparents, anybody to use
their voice, whether it was inperson, oral email, phone calls,
whatever.
I try to just make it as easy aspossible and educate.
And just know that I did thebest I can.
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And when I saw that room fulland there was nursing students
there,'cause it was like nursesday at the capitol and when we
made the MA major mediaplatforms and there was, the
room was filled with newspeople, I was like, this is more
than just passing a bill.
This is about awareness.
And then I'm a little spicy andlike I'm not gonna get people,
let people get by with badbehavior.
(22:22):
Like I'm going to call you out.
And I made a couple reels andthey blew up.
And one individual, you know,they weren't happy about it, but
I don't care, do better.
When you're an elected official,you have a higher platform,
higher standard that you're heldto, so then it's like a week
later it comes federally forinfertility and other women's
health stuff, right?
Like that.
There's gonna be big movementson that.
(22:42):
So we'll sit tight for the next90 days and see where that is,
but.
Overall message is your voiceactually matters.
Like I know people don't thinkthat their vote or their voice
matters, and it really actuallydoes, even if it's at your
district level, your statelevel.
That's nowadays, that matters alot because a lot of what's
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happening on the federal levelis actually happening in your
own back door.
And that's probably everythingbeyond medical too.
But we see that a lot in thewomen's health space and the
infertility space is.
It's a lot of the same thingshappening across every state and
federally too.
Stoy (23:19):
Yeah, and I think what to simplify what you had said is we
used to be reactive, meaninglike to me, voting is reactive.
That's terrible.
Next time I'll vote correctly.
I think what you're talkingabout is being proactive for
once and I, yes.
Truly believe since 2020.
We, we we're getting really alot better at being proactive to
these things.
(23:39):
And I think that's what thedifference is.
And I love that you're doingthat.
And now you just inspired me.
I'm gonna start doing that.
Tara Harding (23:44):
Yay.
Stoy (23:45):
And poof.
But I'm going to, I'm going to,yeah,
Tara Harding (23:48):
it's hard.
And the thing I've seen since2019 is bipartisan support, and
I think that's just huge.
Like when my fertility bill.
Is both sides, young and oldmen, young and old women.
Like, it was so cool becausewhat happened, of course in
seven years, well some of theselegislators had children and
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grandchildren go throughinfertility.
And I said that, I've said thatfrom day one.
Like, you will be impacted bythis.
It's one, it was one in eight,it's one in six.
Miscarriage is one in four.
That's a lot of around younesspeople here, you know?
And so they, they saw it happento them and they signed on, or
their opinions changed on itand.
Again, I think the, the, we'retalking about it more in the
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media and on other levels too,which is just amazing.
I have to sometimes sit back andit's like, Tara, do you remember
when you would not tell your sixcoworkers that you worked with
back in 2017, what you weregoing through 2016, like you
were?
People don't believe that.
'cause I'm such a loud mouthabout stuff now, but.
I didn't tell them there was zipup six people didn't even know
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what I was going through at thetime, including a miscarriage.
So I think it, we know it takestime to talk about hard stuff,
but now more than ever, it's soimportant to be talking about
that hard stuff too.
Even if it's just to one personor you know, your small group
around you absolutely
Stoy (25:06):
talk.
Just speak especially aboutmoney too.
Peeps.
Yes, please, please talk.
The more we talk, the quickeryou can heal.
Yeah, let's talk about.
Yeah, I haven't wrote a bookyet.
Everyone's telling me You betterwrite a book.
Fine.
I will at some point.
I promise people, but it'seasier
Tara Harding (25:20):
than you need to make it.
I made it way too hard.
You can make this easy.
Stoy (25:24):
I'm just like you.
So how about you write it forme?
There you go.
Tara Harding (25:28):
Have a ghost writer.
Go to Rezi.
Like, shout out to that.
Whatever that company is likethere, I got cool stuff on
there.
You can have people help youwith everything.
I wish I would've known thatbefore I invested poorly in my
decision.
Stoy (25:42):
Talk to us about your book.
Tara Harding (25:44):
Yeah, so what's funny about that is I originally
inserted this book writingjourney when I was actually
going through infertility.
And then life happened.
Like I didn't have time to writea book, went through divorce and
being rock bottom financially,physically, emotionally,
mentally.
So I kind of got put on hold,um, grew my business and about a
year and a half into that I waslike, okay, I wanna do this
again.
But like my, my storylines kindof changed and like.
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I wasn't in it for money, and Isoon learned that this is more
of just a, a tool to helpothers.
This book isn't gonna make mewads of money and I, I want it
to just get my voice out therein a different way.
And so I really, I had to likego against the editor at the
time.
Um, again, lots of money thatdidn't need to be spent, would
(26:29):
not recommend the road.
I went happy to share that onthe side with anybody, but, uh,
would not recommend that.
I just write my words down andnot let outside people again
influence what I wanted thatbook to be, and even if it was a
little bit spicy.
So it's about medicalgaslighting specifically to
women's health and how we're metwith, you know, women are
diagnosed with cancer four yearslater than men.
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Women received 25% less painmeds in the ER or the hospital
than men.
Lots of gaslighting going on inthe women's space a lot.
Most eight out of 10 women weremet with when they went in for
physical symptoms.
They were met with what must beanxiety or depression and a
mental health referral forphysical symptoms and concerns.
And so there was this data thatwas kind of presented to me too,
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and I saw it every day, everyvisit in my office to this day.
I'm like, you've gotta bekidding me.
This is even happening likelocally at this, Tara, at this
level.
Tara.
Like, you gotta do somethingabout it.
And so I turned this book intoa, my story.
This is the beginning half ofit, of course, but like some
tools and some script even forwomen to utilize when they are
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met with this resistance fromtheir healthcare provider.
Walking them through how tobuild a team and what medical
gas lighting is like, what theheck is that wording?
Like what does it look like?
You know, if you've been metwith resistance, if you're like,
I just don't feel good.
I'm fatigued.
I'm losing my hair, I'm gettingweight for no reason.
Like, well, your labs arenormal, you know, I don't know.
Here's your SSRI.
Like that's medical gaslighting.
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You know, if they're offeringmore tests, outside opinions, or
if you've started something thatthey've presented with you as a
treatment plan and it's notworking, and they're like.
If there's nothing else you cando or they pin it off as
something else, I walk'emthrough that in the book.
And then some self-care tips andthings too.
I know that sounds like so likeblah, but it's like things I did
and things that I found to beuseful.
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Whether you live in a town of800 people or you live in a town
of 8 million people, I feel likeyou can do some of those things
in there.
And I tried to put some actionsteps at the end of every
chapter.
I'm like, here's what you can doafter reading this chapter too.
So I wanted it to just be.
The cover itself.
I had a little bit differentview on that too, but it was
like it's bandages and in fact,here, lemme show you if you
(28:39):
don't mind.
Go ahead right here.
You know, it's, it's the commonstatements that women hear all
the time when they go in, youknow, like it's just anxiety or
you know, it's all in your head.
Just lose weight, like weightloss too.
A lot of things are like if youjust lose weight or if you just
gain weight, you know, show thewoman's too small, then she's
too big, you know, or it'snormal for your age when the
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reality is is a lot of researchand data has changed to
perimenopause and menopause, andthere's a lot of things you can
do that are safe and effective.
That women aren't even beingtold about or given as an
option.
So what telemedicine does too isjust give you options.
But I just wanted to overcome,help women overcome the medical
gaslighting and let them know,Hey, you're not like they come
(29:21):
in like, I'm crazy.
You're not actually crazy.
Your symptoms are real.
They are real.
You just have to find the rightteam just because they think
nothing's wrong or they said.
This is normal.
Doesn't mean it is, it justmeans they're not the right fit
for you at this time anymore.
And so just kind of workingthrough how to like break up or
go to a different provider.
'cause some of these people havebeen with them for 10, 15, 20
(29:43):
years.
I sure don't wear the same shoesI wore 20 years ago.
You know?
So we outgrow people too.
Just like we outgrow houses andcars and shoes.
We outgrow our medical team too,and that's okay.
So just to kind of provide some.
It is okay to outgrow that too.
Or you can go back to them andcreate some normalization around
that too.
Stoy (30:04):
We're definitely in a time period where, I don't wanna say
we, we lack loyalty.
'cause that's not it.
We are loyal.
But the thing is, we don't needto be with someone, company
person for 30 years.
No, no.
Because we all have differenttypes and parts of our life that
we grow and I think that that'sreally what.
Is different about today'ssociety is the fact that we can
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do that.
Tara Harding (30:25):
Yes.
Um,
Stoy (30:26):
so I, I love the fact that, you know, we're gonna have
your book in the description, soeveryone listening, it'll be in
there.
Don't worry about it, is towrite something like that, to
help that perspective Yep.
And give Yep.
Just normalize that to know it'sokay.
Tara Harding (30:38):
Absolutely.
Yep.
Stoy (30:40):
So as we wrap up, we, we always ask two questions.
Okay.
It can be kind of deep.
Okay, but you've already openedup to me, so yeah, already.
Okay.
First one is, what is your firstmoney memory?
Tara Harding (30:54):
Gosh, I almost could like see the picture in my
head as you did that.
Of course.
Small town girls.
So I was a babysitter, right?
I was the local babysitter and Idid not like it either.
But I bought a pair of DocMartins, I saved.
Like months of Saturday nightbabysitting to buy those Doc
Martens.
I should have kept them.
They are legit, I swear back instyle now.
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Like, I was like, okay, thoseare, those are the shoes.
I saved my first money,honestly, that I will confess
this because I think I shouldknow.
It's like, I don't know, balancea checkbook, like I balancing a
checkbook was something that Istruggled with.
So there's also like the goodmemory and there's kind of like
that anxious memory too of like.
I didn't even know how to, whatto balance that checkbooks, like
balancing money and, and thatkind of anxiety that went along
(31:35):
with
Stoy (31:36):
it too.
So now as, and I'm gonna tie alot of full circles in, so
everyone, I'm gonna say fullcircle a lot.
As we tie into those memoriesfull circle to today, how do
those affect you or have youseen those two memories affect
you currently?
Tara Harding (31:49):
Oh for sure.
Like I have had to do a lot ofwork.
I still am doing a lot of workaround looking at my checking
account, knowing and where everycharge is coming from and going,
because it's easy just to belike, oh yeah, I kind of know
sort of what's going on overhere.
But it goes back that anxietyand not being taught, right,
like money literacy is huge andI didn't have that.
(32:10):
Growing up in a small town of800 people.
Like my school is actuallyamazing, but that just wasn't
something that was taught then.
And then.
Another money memory came along.
What we did in our, our Town alot was we had to work
concession stands.
And I joke to this day, like tothis day, if I had to count
money back to you, I couldn't doit.
But I can do CPR put a chesttube in you if you're in a car
accident.
(32:30):
Like I can't count base my, it'snot wired that way.
Yeah, so it has totallytransferred over into my
workplace too, and that big fearof what am I gonna do when I got
divorced?
Like he wasn't even the mainmoney maker, right?
Like I was so like there was alot of like old, like fear and
money driven, or again, how youwere raised and what you were
(32:52):
brought up around.
You think that impacts you orhow you have to be or what you
have to do.
And really focusing and saying,actually, actually there's other
ways to do things.
There's different ways to dothings.
How I was raised, what I wastaught, and I, I literally just
said the other day, I don't knowif, if I had to count money back
to somebody, I, I just don'tthink I could do it.
That sounds so silly and stupid,but like, I, I joke about it now
(33:14):
'cause it's true.
Like if you're like, don't throwa court if it's 75 cents, I'm
done what?
Count me out.
Like, I'm like out here like 35cents.
Not, not happening.
And I still use my fingers tocount a lot.
So that's like fun fact there.
But it has and it does, and I'mstill working on.
Just doing it more often.
(33:34):
You know, weekly versus monthly,even now is my next step.
I'm pretty proud of like.
How I've kind of overcome thatIAL and learned to reinvest my
money and not, not make stupid.
I made some stupid choices as a,as a college student with money
and the credit cards, but I'm nolonger in that space of like,
okay, wait, no, actually, if Ireinvest and learning from
(33:55):
others too, how to appropriatelyinvest my money and my time as
well too.
So it's still there.
I'm working through the anxiety,but it's getting much better.
Stoy (34:03):
You'll always be on that path.
I promise you, everyone, thattrauma, if you call it trauma
from your children, yeah, thosemounting memories, they're part
of you.
You just have to work throughthem.
You'll never get ahead of them.
And I've seen it.
You embrace it.
Tara Harding (34:17):
Like, I can't cut money back with a pizza stand.
Like, okay, ha ha.
And a rummage sale.
I guess
Stoy (34:26):
I did talk about full circle again, we didn't get to
that part, but from yourbusiness, you had started from,
you know, the coaching side,running now more of a clinician
side.
Yep.
And now you're saying, Hey, Ikind of wanna go back to
coaching.
Talk to us about going fullcircle and why that's so
important to you as a person.
Tara Harding (34:44):
Yeah, I just feel getting back into the coaching
space, um, specifically beingable to even open up to group
coaching.
I can help more women.
Like my goal from day one hasalways been how many women can I
help?
I can't I to get the ego outtathe way.
I can't do this alone.
Yes, it's my magic protocol,sauce, tricks, whatever I have
in the clinic.
But if I have sign some legalforms, I can teach and teach
(35:05):
them.
They can do just as good of ajob as I can.
So I have to kind of like getthat ego out of the way too.
And what I soon realized, youknow, that clinician piece gets
to be a little heavy sometimes.
What I love was coaching.
I love the zoom, so when I likewomen from all over the world, I
get to meet and do more of that.
When I'm speaking on a stage infront of hundreds of people, I
(35:26):
can help more women that way andget my message across and
hopefully help them feel better,faster, sooner.
Then even I had to go through,you know, there's a lot of
misconceptions and myths outthere that women think about
their health and when I go backinto the coaching space and the
speaking space and the book andall of that, I'm able to serve
more women.
(35:46):
I'm like, my crew's got this,not the clinic.
And I'm still there a littlebit, but like I'm ready to just
to be back in that coachingspace and just help more women
from across the world justinstead of just my backyard.
Stoy (35:59):
Absolutely.
Well this, this last question isto do exactly that.
So we always ask what is onething, action item, idea,
thought, concept, whatever youwanna say that listeners right
now can take instill into theirlife and help them on their
journey.
Tara Harding (36:16):
Yeah, I'll say, make book that appointment.
Do it again.
I don't care if it's eighth orninth time, do it.
Maybe someone else, maybe we'regonna find somebody else that
we're gonna see, but put yourhealth priority again, because
so many of us have put ourcommunities, our work, our
organizations, our kids, ourspouses, our da da.
We put everything first.
Women are notorious for that andwe put our health last until
(36:38):
it's like detrimental and you'rereally feeling the physical
impact.
And by that point it's prettydeep and a lot of work we gotta
do to pull you outta that hole.
So even if you might be feelinggreat, it's like, hey, just make
that appointment.
Get some basic lab, get somebasic conversations going again
around your house health andmake sure things are on point.
Maybe you can optimize yourhealth even.
Maybe you are good, but youcould do better in anti-aging.
(37:00):
You know, I'm really gettinginto our clinically into
anti-aging medicine and all ofthat.
But just put yourself first,again in your health aspect and
know that you're worthy of that,because we often feel that
selfish or I'm not that bad, soit doesn't matter.
And that's just not the case.
Like if you don't feel good, ifyou have.
Any concerns, even if it's onething I'm, I'm begging women to
(37:22):
please go and have that checkedout or just have a conversation
or just go to your yearlywellness exam and just use that
as some time to talk about basichealth preventative instead of
being reactive, be do somepreventative stuff again too.
Stoy (37:36):
I love it.
Just set it, set thatappointment.
Who cares if it's the eighth orninth one?
Yep.
Take it.
So, comment, share, not'causethe algorithm.
We really don't care about that.
But we want to help you and theonly way we can help you is if
you reach out.
So absolutely.
Whether you're needing help oneither side, reach out to either
one of us.
We will gladly connect, um, aswell as let us know what you're
wanting to know so we can createmore content.
(37:57):
I'm sure if you have thatquestion, there's a million
others out there that have thatsame question, and we're very
spicy as you like to put it,Tara.
We're spicy in our content.
We love to say what we wanna sayand we're gonna be that voice
for you.
So please do that.
That's the only ask I have forour listeners as we go.
But thank you.
Appreciate you coming on.
Everyone get the book, it'll,again, it'll be in the
description.
(38:17):
Follow her back on our socialmedia on TikTok,'cause those are
coming out soon.
At least I'm pushing that so.
At it soon, and I appreciateyour time and truly everything
that you do, you're amazing.
I look forward to many moreconversations down the road.
Yes, thank you.
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