June 25, 2025 • 26 mins
What happens when a college football player gets locked up in Beijing for smoking weed and turns it into a bestselling book empire?
Picture this: You're 24, fresh out of college, teaching English in Beijing when three Chinese police officers knock on your door. Within hours, you're locked in a cell with 14 Chinese men you can't communicate with, eating three bowls of soup a day with nothing but a plastic spoon. No one knows where you are. No one's coming to save you.
But here's the kicker – Chancellor saw opportunity where others would see only despair.
Instead of playing victim, he took accountability. Instead of making excuses, he made plans. And instead of letting this experience break him, he turned those 15 days into a #1 bestselling book that launched a publishing empire.
In this raw, unfiltered conversation, Chancellor breaks down:
- The exact moment he knew his life was about to change forever
- How football taught him the accountability that saved his sanity in prison
- Why he refuses to blame anyone but himself for his decisions
- The transition from athlete to entrepreneur that most ex-players never figure out
- How he's now coaching both kids on the field AND aspiring authors to bestseller status
CONNECT WITH CHANCELLOR JACKSON:
Instagram: @korlehj
LinkedIn: Chancellor Jackson
YouTube: @10korleh
Book: 14 Days in Beijing
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Stoy (00:01):
This man that we're about to talk to right now was locked
up in Beijing.
Okay, we're gonna get throughthat.
We're also gonna get throughwhat a terrible university he
played for at Stetson as wellbefore my time.
But no, seriously, chancellorJackson's on.
I'm excited to have him on, notonly his story about his book,
but what he's turned that intoin his everyday life.
(00:22):
You know, helping still coachkids, still going through that
in the schools and still beingsomeone in our society for the
good.
I know a lot of people who havebeen locked up and gone through
a lot of things and they.
They don't do the good.
They keep going back.
So I appreciate you coming on,sir.
And now with that intro, I'msure everyone's like what?
Huh?
Huh?
Um, and we're gonna dive intoyour book too, so we'll make
(00:43):
sure to highlight that too.
But I appreciate you coming on.
Chancellor Jackson (00:46):
Yes sir, man, appreciate you family,
blessings and balance to you.
Um, big shout out to everyonethat's tuning in right now, man,
y'all the real MVP, so shout outto y'all.
Stoy (00:54):
Absolutely.
Well, let's dive into it.
One, what the hell am I talkingabout?
Right?
Uh, let's get into it.
Chancellor Jackson (01:01):
So yeah, man.
Um, so April 4th, 2019.
Uh, well, lemme back up a littlebit.
So, after I graduated from.
D Stetson University, goHatters.
After I graduated from Stetson,I landed my first job, uh, in
China teaching English kids.
So that's what, uh, brought meto Beijing.
(01:22):
I was supposed to do a yearonly.
Ended up doing six months beforethings went left.
Um, it's April 4th, 2019.
I'm finna get ready to head toan event to meet some friends
and other colleagues.
And we was gonna be customizinglike Chinese fans, so it was
gonna be just dope littlegetaway.
Um.
So I was like, I'm a pre-gamebefore I go.
So I'm in the apartment bymyself drinking some Chinese
(01:44):
wine coolers, smoking a littlecannabis.
I get done, get dressed, makesure I got everything I need
before I walk out the door.
Um, and I hear a knock.
Guests aren't unfamiliar, socurious to see who it is.
I look to the people on next tothe three officers from the
Beijing Police spook instantlyoff the rip, you know what I'm
saying?
Scrubble put everything up, openthe door.
They come in questioning meabout drugs.
(02:04):
I'm sitting here playing thefool like I don't know what they
talking about.
Then they put out a drug test.
I.
Right then and there, I said, ohyeah, it is over with.
Do the drug test results comeback, instantly fail.
Of course, now the cuffs are onme.
All forms of communicationceases exist at this point.
Um, bounce around from precinctto precinct before I'm
eventually taken to the jailwhere I'm housed and I'm locked
(02:26):
up 24 hours a day, seven days aweek, 15 minutes to one cell,
nine wooden beds, three soups aday, and all I had was a plastic
bowl and a plastic spoon.
Nothing was.
Explain to me as far as how thisprocess works, how the jail
operates, how long I'm going tobe here, what my specific
charges are.
Uh, nobody knows I'm in here.
So at this point I'm sitting inthis cell with 14 other Chinese
(02:48):
men, none of which I can talkto.
So it ain't really looking toogood right about now, but I.
Most importantly,accountability.
I had to hold myselfaccountable.
It's like, okay, well mydecision making is the reason
why I ended up in thispredicament, and I was conscious
of my decision making and I knewthe repercussions.
So now that things have hit thefan, and here we are, hey, I
(03:09):
ain't got nobody point to blameat but myself.
So however this finna play out,I gotta take it to the chin.
I don't know what I'm have toendure, but I know when it's all
said and done.
I'm still gonna be me.
My spirit's still gonna beintact, my mental's still gonna
be intact.
Um, it's gonna be arollercoaster for sure, but it
ain't gonna be nothing we can'thandle.
Um, so take note of every minordetail because it's gonna be a
(03:30):
great story to tell once yououtta this predicament.
Stoy (03:33):
And it and it is.
Yeah.
Me, we got the story, we got thebase of what happened and one
just being black men in America.
We've gone through a lot whathad in previous right.
Before all of that growing up,going to college, all of that,
what do you think led to your.
Taking accountability and yourownership in that situation.
What raised you?
Who raised you?
How did you get to that point?
(03:54):
Because not everyone would'vegot to that point, right?
A lot of em blame someone else,blame this, did this, but you
said, no, it's on me.
We're gonna go.
Great story.
I'm gonna turn it to a positive.
How the hell did you get to that
Chancellor Jackson (04:06):
football?
The beautiful game of footballdefinitely instilled all of that
in me.
I've always been, uh.
Pretty good kid.
I've been a good kid in myentire life.
Natural born leader, honor rollstudent.
You know what I'm saying?
I never had no behavior issuesin school like that.
For real, for real.
So that, that's always been me.
But once I started playingfootball, that just sharpened
and fine tuned me even more.
'cause I.
(04:27):
My end goal was to play collegefootball.
When it was all said and done,I'm like, well, I can't play
college ball and I'm a boneheadoutside this classroom and you
know what I'm saying, acting upin the streets.
So I was like, nah, I gotta domy due diligence on and off the
field, um, and of course performon the field, you know what I'm
saying?
So I can get to where it is thatI'm trying to go.
Um, so it was really just mylove and passion for the game.
(04:50):
Uh, that really just helps tofine tune me even more.
And then of course, once you getto college, it's a whole
different ballgame then.
You know what I'm saying?
Ownership, accountability.
It's preached and it's, you knowwhat I'm saying?
Shoved down your throat, youknow what I'm saying?
Once you get to college.
Um, so, uh, yeah, I, I got ashout out to, gotta give a shout
to the game of football forsure.
Stoy (05:09):
And we're gonna hit upon that more obviously,'cause it's
who we are.
But, alright, so we, we, we getthrough, you're locked up,
holding accountable, you're inthe cell.
What next, what happened next?
Chancellor Jackson (05:20):
So the first three days, I was the only
foreigner, only English speakerin the cell.
So really, you know what I'msaying?
I just had a full 72 hours tosit back and reflect on
everything.
You know what I'm saying?
We often reflect about our day,the week, the month, maybe the
year, you know what I'm saying?
Or our live, depending on howmuch time we have to sit there
(05:40):
and reflect, but we gonna keepit a buck.
How much time is that?
What, 10 minutes if that.
You know what I'm saying?
For real.
So I had a full seven, two hoursto just sit there in solitude.
I got plenty of people aroundme, but I can't communicate with
them whatsoever.
So it was like pretty much justbeing in solitude for seven, two
hours and just sit back andreflect on everything.
So that was just, just realitycheck, um, just like, damn, I
(06:01):
gotta get myself togetherbecause this, I ain't it.
This ain't it.
I was just on nobody.
Um, we just gotta move smarter,you know what I'm saying?
Just be better.
Um, and of course it's like,okay, once we get outta here,
what's gonna be the game plan?
You know what I'm saying?
Because the job is over with.
This is, that's gonna be a wrap,but it's like, alright, you got
somewhat experienced witheducate, working in education,
(06:22):
you man you over here teachingit in on other side of the world
that's gonna open upopportunities.
So we just got to keep, well, Iknow that's gonna be something
we can get back into once we getback to the states.
Um, but um, I was just like, Idefinitely need to link up with
certain people.
I know once I get around themand I tell'em about this story.
(06:42):
We, we gonna come up withsomething so, you know what I'm
saying, monetize or do somethingwith the experience because I'm
like, I'm going through this fora reason.
Of course my decision making forsure, but it's like, I feel like
it's bigger than that.
Like this, this is a purpose ofme going through this.
Um, what is that purpose?
I have no clue.
Only time will tell for sure.
But.
Um, on day four I moved to a newcell.
(07:03):
I'm amongst other Englishspeakers.
Uh, so now it's a shifts in thestory'cause okay, misery loves
company.
We ain't alone no more.
We got somebody we cancommunicate with, but we also
learned how the process works.
And ironically enough, everybodyknows all their information to
the fullest detail.
When it came to me, I don't knowwhat, what happened when I, you
know what I'm saying?
I was the only one that got theshort end of the stick'cause I
(07:24):
don't know what's going on.
Um, and it's like, okay, westart piecing, I.
Together the puzzle, but it'slike still, how long will I be
here?
I have no clue.
Until one day they just finallycalled my name to come out.
Um, and I was immediately takento my apartment to pack up the
rest of my stuff and thendeported from the country.
All within like four hours ofbeing released from the jail.
Yeah, they got me up out ofthere.
(07:44):
They said,
Stoy (07:45):
it's time for you to
Chancellor Jackson (07:46):
go real quick.
Stoy (07:47):
Okay.
Alright, so you land back, youland back here.
What's the next steps and what'sthe timeline between when you
landed to figuring out to writea book and get back on your
feet?
Chancellor Jackson (07:57):
Yeah,
Stoy (07:57):
so
Chancellor Jackson (07:57):
I got back, um, mid-April of 2019, so the
school year is pretty muchcoming to an end.
So I'm like, I, I might as welljust wait till next school year,
you know what I'm saying?
To try to look, look foropportunities, work
opportunities, at least, um.
Until then, man, I gotta figureout how to get my money back
because my money all the way inBeijing right now sitting in the
(08:18):
bank.
So I gotta figure out how to getthat back.
Uh, a lot of people didn't evenknow I was in China, so the
select few that I did, you knowwhat I'm saying?
Definitely linking up with them,surprising them, telling them
what happened.
You know what I'm saying?
Just sharing the story withverbally with people at first.
Um, and then every time I'mtelling the story to people,
it's just like.
(08:39):
Got they undivided tension.
It is like they're just blownaway, but by what I'm presented
to'em.
So I'm like, okay, I gotsomething in my hands.
How can I get this with themasses?
How can I put this out there?
Um, and it wasn't, I was kickinginto one with one of my good
partners, DeMarco Reds.
He was a traditionally publishedauthor for, we graduated high
school in 2014, so he was theone who was like, Hey bro, you
(08:59):
ain't think about writing a bookabout the experience?
I was like, boy, that's a goodidea.
I don't even know where tostart, but that's a good idea.
He took it even further.
Took my phone, went to my notessection, left me a little
outline, and I just startedfilling it in.
And by doing that, I caught afeel for how I wanted to go
about telling the story.
So moved it to a Google Docs,took me about four months to
write it, um, and then justspent the next six months just
(09:21):
getting it ready for publishing.
So on April 4th, 2019, I wasarrested in China.
On April 4th, 2020, very nextcalendar year, I released the
very first version of 14 days inBeijing.
I was ranked the number newbestseller.
Um, in three different genres Onmy debut, I was still my
pre-order when I was ranking,but you know what I'm saying.
Each day after that it was justa different genre.
(09:41):
I was number one in a differentgenre.
It was just a snowball effectafter that.
So with all the success books inDays of Beijing had, that led to
me writing more books, um,publishing more books.
I published two books that Ididn't write, I helped, you know
what I'm saying?
I helped two other peoplepublish their books.
Um, so we six books in now, uh,two bestsellers, no, four
(10:01):
bestsellers.
Um.
Got my, started my publishingcompany in 2021, um, and started
turning, took that service, uh,created the service of coaching
people through the writingpublish process.
'cause it just surprised me.
It was just shocking to me justhow many people had aspirations
or lifelong dreams of becoming apublished author or writing a
book.
You know what I'm saying?
For me, it was just idea I wasgiven.
(10:23):
I stepped up to the plate andhit a home run on my first time
at bat, you know what I'msaying?
But I acquired a lot of game anda lot of wisdom and knowledge
about self-publishing.
Uh, just through my own duediligence.
Uh, just wanted to learn moreabout the field.
Um, so I was like, okay, forsure.
Let me see.
I'm work with any, any andeverybody if you interested.
For sure.
(10:43):
I got number game for you, butshout out to the two, uh,
authors that actually saw theprocess and trusted the process
all the way through AnthonyMcKinney.
His book went number one, uh, intwo different genres.
His is titled The FatherlessChild.
It's by his experience gettingli uh, getting molested before
the age of 10.
How that affected him and shapedhim into who he is today.
(11:03):
And then the other author, IshaSadler, at the time she wrote
her book, she was 15 years old,16 when she published it, not
only did she go number one, shewent number one to two different
genres and she helped for likenine straight days.
Stop playing with that littlegirl on baby.
So big shout out to them too.
Um, so that let me know rightthen and there.
I said, okay, but you know whatyou doing?
Like you can coach people, youcan get people to publish their
(11:25):
books, but it seems it's acommon theme right here to even
say we produce best s You knowwhat I'm saying?
You've done it for yourself.
You also helped two other peopledo it on their first book.
So it's like, Hey, we gotta keepour foot on this gas.
For sure.
For sure.
You know
Stoy (11:38):
what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Most.
And so why isn't that the fulltime?
Why?
Why still help kids?
Why still coaching if you knowthey're so dominant in this
world?
Why isn't that a bigger thing?
Where are you at?
Still
Chancellor Jackson (11:50):
gotta market it.
Still gotta push it, you knowwhat I'm saying?
Still gotta push it out there.
We ain't nowhere near where wewant to be yet, but.
Yeah, we still got a long way togo for sure, but we gonna get
there.
Most definitely.
Most definitely.
For sure.
I'm actually in the, uh, worksof creating a course, a 14 day
course and a 14 week course, youfeel me.
Um, the 14 day course, it'spretty much self-sufficient.
(12:11):
You can do it, you can be, youcan publish your own book on
your own.
Now you want me to be a littlebit more hands on with the
process?
Then we got the 14 week coursethat'll be available as well.
So yeah, y'all be on the looksout for that for sure.
And from that point on, we goingto just continue to scale it,
um, and grow.
Love it.
Love it.
Stoy (12:29):
Alright.
Day job.
The guy have a day job, right?
Chancellor Jackson (12:32):
Yeah,
Stoy (12:33):
you do.
Every day now.
Chancellor Jackson (12:35):
Um, well still work in education.
So like I said, I was like, Iknew, I, I'm like, bro, I
applied to, I'm from Atlanta,Georgia.
We got so many counties in themetro Atlanta area.
So I was like, I can pick andchoose of whichever one I want
to dabble in, if you know whatI'm saying.
I got plenty of options.
Um, and I just knew, I was like,bro, them folks gonna see their
resume and see that you can talkin Beijing, but that's gonna
(12:56):
open up doors off the real,like, it, it is, it is a
conversation starter every time.
Um, so I knew I wasn't gonnahave no trouble with that, so
still been in that.
And then I just fell intocoaching in 2019 too.
I was, that was ironic.
Um, I had a little homie thatstayed across the street from me
who was, uh, was attending thehigh school that I attended, and
(13:17):
he was like, Hey bro, you shouldcome up to the, uh, the high
school Monday.
You know what I'm saying?
Watch us during summer workouts.
I'm like, for sure.
I pull up, uh, and I pulled upand I'm just out there, just
posted, just watching them andthey break off into position.
Uh.
Groups and I go down there withthe dbs, just watching them in
Indy and then just giving smallpointers to the players, just
pulling'em off to the side, give'em small pointers here and
(13:38):
there.
Um, and then the DB coach, like,Hey man, you trying to coach?
I'm like, boy, I ain't got, atthat point in time, I ain't got
nothing opportunity in time withmy hands.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm fresh outta Beijing jailsix.
You know what I'm saying?
For sure.
I'm, I'm open to any and allopportunities, so I was
originally supposed to get onwith the high school I attended.
But the ad, he was move.
He was dragging his feet andpushing my paperwork through.
(14:01):
So I ended up attending thisluncheon that all the coaches
and.
The county I played for attendevery year.
I was like, man, watch.
I've run into all my old coachesat this, uh, convention, and lo
and behold, I did.
The majority of'em was at theschool I coach at now, Wheeler
High School.
So I was like, oh man, all y'allover here, Wheeler.
I said, oh, y'all got a littlecoach.
This is a nice little squadright here.
(14:21):
And one of my former coachessaid, what were you trying to
do?
You trying to coach?
I'm like, bro, I'm, I'm open forall opportunities.
I'm up here with Campbell, but Iain't a part of they staff just
yet.
Ad dragged his feet.
He sat there, he introduced meto the principal at that same
day, the principal, the ad, andthe head coach.
Next thing I know, they waspushing my paperwork through.
So like that's just how thatfell into that.
And here we are.
(14:42):
What, entering year seven?
It is been a, it is been a fivetoo.
I enjoy working with the, theyoung men.
We've had few, a couple classesnow.
You know what I'm saying?
Thatt came and gone.
So it's just crazy to see justthe evolution, you know what I'm
saying?
I see why coaches get in thisgame and being it for 10 to 20
years and then, you know whatI'm saying, time just flies by,
you know what I'm saying?
It's crazy.
(15:02):
This year seven.
Stoy (15:04):
So football for both you and I, although, you know, we
had a little, I had a littlebetter career, you know, I won
the conference championship.
I mean, just sitting right,right there.
But football has been what droveme and where I'm at.
I mean, there, I wouldn't be whoI am without football.
Big from a little kid on, youknow, my boys are starting to
tackle this year too, so like,it, it is just in, in the blood.
(15:25):
What can you say to those?
'cause I, I just, I'll bereleasing, this will come out
July, in, in the first two weeksof June.
I'm actually releasing anotherthing that specifically talks
about football because I've beenasked so many times, shit, my
son play football because of theconcussions and yada, yada,
yada.
And I really highlight and say,first of all, every sport's
dangerous soccer actually hasmore concussions than football,
(15:47):
right?
Arts are just more violent.
Two, what they'll learn frombeing a human from football, I.
We, they will not get in band asmuch as they will football.
You know, not to call it my bandgeeks.
I love it.
The games sound great, but liketruthfully, the, the lessons
learned in life in football are,are bar none.
What do you say to the parentsmaybe that ask you that?
(16:09):
Or if kids ask you that aboutspecifically the concussion
piece, um, of football?
Chancellor Jackson (16:13):
For sure.
I mean it's just like it's now,football is revolutionizing, it
isn't just a straight bang bangfootball, no more flag football
is growing like no other.
You could play flag.
You ain't gotta worry about allthat then.
You know what I'm saying?
That's really contactless.
You just gotta pull a flag.
That's it.
You, you still probably.
(16:35):
You'll say rolled ankles, ACL,you'll still suffer, but you can
suffer from that in any, likeyou said, in any sport.
But if it's the concussions orjust how violent the sport is,
flag football is a greatalternative.
And it's a, it is, I'm sure it'san Olympic sport by now.
If it isn't, you know what I'msaying?
You'd be able to complete,compete on national, uh, stages
just playing flag football.
(16:56):
So that's a whole alternative toyou.
So.
What else?
What else excuse you got?
That's what what else?
Excuse You got you.
Baby.
Strap on this, uh, this flag andkeep it
Stoy (17:05):
going.
For sure.
What do you teach these kidsthat come in about in football,
grinding and having grit?
You have to have it.
Yeah.
We're not all blessed with thetalent in the world, but it's
always the hard workers facts.
What is the thing that you'reteaching these young kids about
being able to grind and gritboth in the game and how that
(17:26):
translates to outside the game?
It is just the, it just
Chancellor Jackson (17:29):
boil down how bad you want, how bad you
want, succeed at the sport.
Honestly.
What are your goals?
What is your purpose of playingthis sport?
You just like to wear thejerseys on game day with the
rest of the team.
Look cool.
Then for sure.
You know what I'm saying?
Whatever floats your boat, butthis is something you really
wanna take serious.
'cause this case in high school,getting paid a lot of money
nowadays, these boys made, youcould be, man, you could be paid
(17:52):
in high school, but if you'renot taking this stuff serious
now, I don't know.
What's the, what's the point?
Honestly, you know what I'msaying?
For sure.
For sure.
This thing can be as big as youwanna make it.
Um, and go as far as you wannatake it.
Now you got to work harder thaneverybody.
You think you work hard.
Nah, you ain't seen nothing yet.
But I guarantee we can find acat out here right now that's
really getting it and can showyou how to really get it.
(18:14):
So it's like, but you gotta puteverything you love into this
sport.
Um, and the football guys willbless you for sure, for sure.
Um, that's on and off the field.
Everything you do.
How you do anything is how youdo everything.
So you can't cut up in theclassroom and think it's gonna
translate over to the footballfield and positive things are
(18:35):
going to occur.
No, you gotta stack good ongood.
You gotta continue to stack.
Good on good, continue to doright?
That's what we quote that wheelhigh school do.
Right?
Do Right and good things willcome back to you.
So if there's something that youwanna do, man, give it your all
dog, give it your all, and watchyour return and dividends, like
(18:55):
in ways you could never imagine.
For sure.
For sure.
Especially getting your schoolpaid for.
That's the most important part.
You get that paid for and you beable to, now you can have a
little pocket change.
So you ain't even gotta be brokethe whole time you in college.
You know what I'm saying?
It is like this, this shit, man.
Y'all got it made.
Boy, y'all boy, if we could goback, man, let that been us.
Stoy (19:15):
Right?
Come on.
Ever hook you was talking about.
I'm like, if this was my day andage, are you kidding me?
I mean, we, I had to work as,um, a security at the bar, like
just to eat really, basically.
Like these kids don't even haveto think about eating right.
Um, you know, they're buyingcars and taking care of families
(19:36):
and it's like, it ain't fair.
It's not even the same game.
You
Chancellor Jackson (19:40):
ain't buying a house bust down chains and
watches.
Stoy (19:43):
Right.
And let's talk about this justbecause we are former athletes
in the end of your career,right?
Mm-hmm.
Whether it's high school, for usit was college, luckily.
Talk to me about what you wentthrough after that last snap.
Yeah.
And where you are mentally at,because I know, I felt when I
lost that last snap of ours,regardless that we won the
(20:05):
championship or not, like youfelt.
This emptiness.
You, you, you don't have a teamanymore.
You don't have that where we'regrinding and bleeding and
beating up on each other,literally day in and day out.
And I know it.
I felt a certain way about it.
So why don't you talk to methrough how you felt after that
transition and how much furtherthat was from Beijing?
Yeah, it was a process.
(20:26):
'cause
Chancellor Jackson (20:28):
you identify, you embody a student
athlete and a football player tothe fullest, and now that is no
longer the case.
You have to re-identify yourselfall over again.
I done seen folks stay afloat orcompletely sink, you know what
I'm saying?
When they comes times acrossthat bridge.
Um, for me, I was just like,man, who am I?
(20:48):
Chance?
Like, what do you enjoy doing?
What are you good at doing?
What, what do you like to do?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, what is our purpose?
What's gonna be next?
I have no clue.
But I gotta figure it out.
For sure, for sure.
And it's, it was kind of, I sawit as a challenge almost because
(21:08):
it's like, okay, now I get to,it's like a fresh start all over
again.
Like I get to MI get to paintmyself as a whole completely
different way.
So I'm like, I gotta figure itout.
I just gotta try a bunch ofstuff'cause I don't know what it
is I wanna do.
And so I'm like, I just gottaput myself out there and try a
bunch of stuff.
And I'm like, by doing that, yougonna figure out what it is you
like to do, what you don't wannado.
You know what I'm saying?
All that.
So it just helped narrow itdown.
(21:29):
Your decisions or Williamson orjust finding your next football,
your next passion or yourpurpose?
Um, so I was just start applyingfor jobs off the rip.
You know what I'm saying?
I knew the league.
I'm like, nah, the NFL, that'snot happening.
So I'm gonna start applying forjobs.
And I was applying for corporatepositions mainly.
And I was ha landing interviews.
I'm talking about some of theseinterviews I'm getting flown out
(21:51):
for, put up a hotel.
I said, boy, ain't no way, boy,I'm finna find me something.
Boy, they, I'm finna find me agood paying job too.
Nah, that wasn't the case.
That wasn't the case.
It was like eight months hadpassed and I was like, bro, I
done moved back home.
I'm like, bro, what is going on?
I done did everything quoteunquote the textbook way and I
keep, you know what I'm saying?
(22:11):
I keep ending up the shortingthe stick.
Keep him with the same BSexcuse.
Oh, uh, you lack.
Uh, you lack the experience, sowe gonna go with somebody a
little bit more that you got alittle bit more experience.
But it's like, bro, y'all knewthat was the case when I
submitted my resume before y'allsit up and paid for all of this
stuff.
Y'all knew that was the case.
Now I sat down face to face withy'all.
Wouldn't have shifted paradigmthen, but I ain't really take it
(22:32):
too personally.
Um,'cause I've been in thisposition before when they was
trying to find a school to playat, you know what I'm saying?
After high school.
So it's like, man, just keepputting yourself out there.
You gonna find something.
Somebody gonna say yes,eventually, let's reapproach our
job searching.
Let's do that.
'cause corporate might not befor us family.
We done tried this for months,ain't had no success.
Let's res, let's restructurethis.
(22:53):
And with me switching up, my jobsearching, that's when I seen,
oh, teach ins of kids in China.
That sound lit.
You know what I'm saying?
I feel like I could do that fly.
First job, tell me yes, aftereight months of being told no on
the other side of the world, ohyes Lord, this is what we finna
do.
No ifs or bust about it.
Um, and I just knew going out toChina, I was like, this is going
to be.
A great starting point for me,just trying to figure myself
(23:15):
out.
I'm finna move to a wholedifferent side of the world.
I'm gonna be out there alone.
I'm gonna learn a lot aboutmyself.
You know what I'm saying?
Ain't no telling who I'm gonnabe after this year.
So I was looking forward to thejourney, and it did exactly what
I expected it to do.
I just didn't expect to go theway that it went.
But all in all, it still didwhat it was supposed to do, for
sure.
Stoy (23:35):
Yeah.
You figured it out.
Just.
As we wrap this up, I always askthis question, what is it that
you want our listeners to takefrom this conversation today
that maybe they can implementright now as they're listening
to help them in their journeygoing forward?
Actually,
Chancellor Jackson (23:52):
I got a quote that comes to mind
immediately.
Um, and it's about NipseyHussle, and it goes long-winded
running through this life likeit was mine.
Never settling, but settingevery goal high.
1000 burs to the path, to my owndestruction or success.
But what is a mistake withoutthe lesson?
You see, the best teacher inlife is your own experience, and
(24:14):
none of us know who we are untilwe fail.
They say every person's definedby their reactions to any given
situation.
Well, who would you want todefine?
You?
Someone else or yourself?
Whatever you choose to do,homie, just give your heart to
it and stay strong.
Stoy (24:30):
I love that.
Absolutely love that.
And we're gonna have all hisconnections with this book, link
with this company forpublishing.
We're gonna have thateverywhere.
So don't worry about that,folks.
Uh, it's gonna be out there, butif you wanna hit up chance, just
do so.
Please hear his story, what hesaid on the art podcast today,
but keep following him.
And if you have a story to besaid, I'm sure there is one
person I already know that'shere to help you publish your
(24:51):
book, right?
Yes, Lord.
Yes, Lord.
So let's again, I appreciateyou, uh, sir, and you keep doing
what you're doing.
Chancellor Jackson (24:56):
Appreciate you family, everybody that tuned
in for the whole episode.
You a real one for sure.
This man that we're about to talk to right now was locked
up in Beijing.
Okay, we're gonna get throughthat.
We're also gonna get throughwhat a terrible university he
played for at Stetson as wellbefore my time.
But no, seriously, chancellorJackson's on.
I'm excited to have him on, notonly his story about his book,
but what he's turned that intoin his everyday life.
(00:22):
You know, helping still coachkids, still going through that
in the schools and still beingsomeone in our society for the
good.
I know a lot of people who havebeen locked up and gone through
a lot of things and they.
They don't do the good.
They keep going back.
So I appreciate you coming on,sir.
And now with that intro, I'msure everyone's like what?
Huh?
Huh?
Um, and we're gonna dive intoyour book too, so we'll make
(00:43):
sure to highlight that too.
But I appreciate you coming on.
Chancellor Jackson (00:46):
Yes sir, man, appreciate you family,
blessings and balance to you.
Um, big shout out to everyonethat's tuning in right now, man,
y'all the real MVP, so shout outto y'all.
Stoy (00:54):
Absolutely.
Well, let's dive into it.
One, what the hell am I talkingabout?
Right?
Uh, let's get into it.
Chancellor Jackson (01:01):
So yeah, man.
Um, so April 4th, 2019.
Uh, well, lemme back up a littlebit.
So, after I graduated from.
D Stetson University, goHatters.
After I graduated from Stetson,I landed my first job, uh, in
China teaching English kids.
So that's what, uh, brought meto Beijing.
(01:22):
I was supposed to do a yearonly.
Ended up doing six months beforethings went left.
Um, it's April 4th, 2019.
I'm finna get ready to head toan event to meet some friends
and other colleagues.
And we was gonna be customizinglike Chinese fans, so it was
gonna be just dope littlegetaway.
Um.
So I was like, I'm a pre-gamebefore I go.
So I'm in the apartment bymyself drinking some Chinese
(01:44):
wine coolers, smoking a littlecannabis.
I get done, get dressed, makesure I got everything I need
before I walk out the door.
Um, and I hear a knock.
Guests aren't unfamiliar, socurious to see who it is.
I look to the people on next tothe three officers from the
Beijing Police spook instantlyoff the rip, you know what I'm
saying?
Scrubble put everything up, openthe door.
They come in questioning meabout drugs.
(02:04):
I'm sitting here playing thefool like I don't know what they
talking about.
Then they put out a drug test.
I.
Right then and there, I said, ohyeah, it is over with.
Do the drug test results comeback, instantly fail.
Of course, now the cuffs are onme.
All forms of communicationceases exist at this point.
Um, bounce around from precinctto precinct before I'm
eventually taken to the jailwhere I'm housed and I'm locked
(02:26):
up 24 hours a day, seven days aweek, 15 minutes to one cell,
nine wooden beds, three soups aday, and all I had was a plastic
bowl and a plastic spoon.
Nothing was.
Explain to me as far as how thisprocess works, how the jail
operates, how long I'm going tobe here, what my specific
charges are.
Uh, nobody knows I'm in here.
So at this point I'm sitting inthis cell with 14 other Chinese
(02:48):
men, none of which I can talkto.
So it ain't really looking toogood right about now, but I.
Most importantly,accountability.
I had to hold myselfaccountable.
It's like, okay, well mydecision making is the reason
why I ended up in thispredicament, and I was conscious
of my decision making and I knewthe repercussions.
So now that things have hit thefan, and here we are, hey, I
(03:09):
ain't got nobody point to blameat but myself.
So however this finna play out,I gotta take it to the chin.
I don't know what I'm have toendure, but I know when it's all
said and done.
I'm still gonna be me.
My spirit's still gonna beintact, my mental's still gonna
be intact.
Um, it's gonna be arollercoaster for sure, but it
ain't gonna be nothing we can'thandle.
Um, so take note of every minordetail because it's gonna be a
(03:30):
great story to tell once yououtta this predicament.
Stoy (03:33):
And it and it is.
Yeah.
Me, we got the story, we got thebase of what happened and one
just being black men in America.
We've gone through a lot whathad in previous right.
Before all of that growing up,going to college, all of that,
what do you think led to your.
Taking accountability and yourownership in that situation.
What raised you?
Who raised you?
How did you get to that point?
(03:54):
Because not everyone would'vegot to that point, right?
A lot of em blame someone else,blame this, did this, but you
said, no, it's on me.
We're gonna go.
Great story.
I'm gonna turn it to a positive.
How the hell did you get to that
Chancellor Jackson (04:06):
football?
The beautiful game of footballdefinitely instilled all of that
in me.
I've always been, uh.
Pretty good kid.
I've been a good kid in myentire life.
Natural born leader, honor rollstudent.
You know what I'm saying?
I never had no behavior issuesin school like that.
For real, for real.
So that, that's always been me.
But once I started playingfootball, that just sharpened
and fine tuned me even more.
'cause I.
(04:27):
My end goal was to play collegefootball.
When it was all said and done,I'm like, well, I can't play
college ball and I'm a boneheadoutside this classroom and you
know what I'm saying, acting upin the streets.
So I was like, nah, I gotta domy due diligence on and off the
field, um, and of course performon the field, you know what I'm
saying?
So I can get to where it is thatI'm trying to go.
Um, so it was really just mylove and passion for the game.
(04:50):
Uh, that really just helps tofine tune me even more.
And then of course, once you getto college, it's a whole
different ballgame then.
You know what I'm saying?
Ownership, accountability.
It's preached and it's, you knowwhat I'm saying?
Shoved down your throat, youknow what I'm saying?
Once you get to college.
Um, so, uh, yeah, I, I got ashout out to, gotta give a shout
to the game of football forsure.
Stoy (05:09):
And we're gonna hit upon that more obviously,'cause it's
who we are.
But, alright, so we, we, we getthrough, you're locked up,
holding accountable, you're inthe cell.
What next, what happened next?
Chancellor Jackson (05:20):
So the first three days, I was the only
foreigner, only English speakerin the cell.
So really, you know what I'msaying?
I just had a full 72 hours tosit back and reflect on
everything.
You know what I'm saying?
We often reflect about our day,the week, the month, maybe the
year, you know what I'm saying?
Or our live, depending on howmuch time we have to sit there
(05:40):
and reflect, but we gonna keepit a buck.
How much time is that?
What, 10 minutes if that.
You know what I'm saying?
For real.
So I had a full seven, two hoursto just sit there in solitude.
I got plenty of people aroundme, but I can't communicate with
them whatsoever.
So it was like pretty much justbeing in solitude for seven, two
hours and just sit back andreflect on everything.
So that was just, just realitycheck, um, just like, damn, I
(06:01):
gotta get myself togetherbecause this, I ain't it.
This ain't it.
I was just on nobody.
Um, we just gotta move smarter,you know what I'm saying?
Just be better.
Um, and of course it's like,okay, once we get outta here,
what's gonna be the game plan?
You know what I'm saying?
Because the job is over with.
This is, that's gonna be a wrap,but it's like, alright, you got
somewhat experienced witheducate, working in education,
(06:22):
you man you over here teachingit in on other side of the world
that's gonna open upopportunities.
So we just got to keep, well, Iknow that's gonna be something
we can get back into once we getback to the states.
Um, but um, I was just like, Idefinitely need to link up with
certain people.
I know once I get around themand I tell'em about this story.
(06:42):
We, we gonna come up withsomething so, you know what I'm
saying, monetize or do somethingwith the experience because I'm
like, I'm going through this fora reason.
Of course my decision making forsure, but it's like, I feel like
it's bigger than that.
Like this, this is a purpose ofme going through this.
Um, what is that purpose?
I have no clue.
Only time will tell for sure.
But.
Um, on day four I moved to a newcell.
(07:03):
I'm amongst other Englishspeakers.
Uh, so now it's a shifts in thestory'cause okay, misery loves
company.
We ain't alone no more.
We got somebody we cancommunicate with, but we also
learned how the process works.
And ironically enough, everybodyknows all their information to
the fullest detail.
When it came to me, I don't knowwhat, what happened when I, you
know what I'm saying?
I was the only one that got theshort end of the stick'cause I
(07:24):
don't know what's going on.
Um, and it's like, okay, westart piecing, I.
Together the puzzle, but it'slike still, how long will I be
here?
I have no clue.
Until one day they just finallycalled my name to come out.
Um, and I was immediately takento my apartment to pack up the
rest of my stuff and thendeported from the country.
All within like four hours ofbeing released from the jail.
Yeah, they got me up out ofthere.
(07:44):
They said,
Stoy (07:45):
it's time for you to
Chancellor Jackson (07:46):
go real quick.
Stoy (07:47):
Okay.
Alright, so you land back, youland back here.
What's the next steps and what'sthe timeline between when you
landed to figuring out to writea book and get back on your
feet?
Chancellor Jackson (07:57):
Yeah,
Stoy (07:57):
so
Chancellor Jackson (07:57):
I got back, um, mid-April of 2019, so the
school year is pretty muchcoming to an end.
So I'm like, I, I might as welljust wait till next school year,
you know what I'm saying?
To try to look, look foropportunities, work
opportunities, at least, um.
Until then, man, I gotta figureout how to get my money back
because my money all the way inBeijing right now sitting in the
(08:18):
bank.
So I gotta figure out how to getthat back.
Uh, a lot of people didn't evenknow I was in China, so the
select few that I did, you knowwhat I'm saying?
Definitely linking up with them,surprising them, telling them
what happened.
You know what I'm saying?
Just sharing the story withverbally with people at first.
Um, and then every time I'mtelling the story to people,
it's just like.
(08:39):
Got they undivided tension.
It is like they're just blownaway, but by what I'm presented
to'em.
So I'm like, okay, I gotsomething in my hands.
How can I get this with themasses?
How can I put this out there?
Um, and it wasn't, I was kickinginto one with one of my good
partners, DeMarco Reds.
He was a traditionally publishedauthor for, we graduated high
school in 2014, so he was theone who was like, Hey bro, you
(08:59):
ain't think about writing a bookabout the experience?
I was like, boy, that's a goodidea.
I don't even know where tostart, but that's a good idea.
He took it even further.
Took my phone, went to my notessection, left me a little
outline, and I just startedfilling it in.
And by doing that, I caught afeel for how I wanted to go
about telling the story.
So moved it to a Google Docs,took me about four months to
write it, um, and then justspent the next six months just
(09:21):
getting it ready for publishing.
So on April 4th, 2019, I wasarrested in China.
On April 4th, 2020, very nextcalendar year, I released the
very first version of 14 days inBeijing.
I was ranked the number newbestseller.
Um, in three different genres Onmy debut, I was still my
pre-order when I was ranking,but you know what I'm saying.
Each day after that it was justa different genre.
(09:41):
I was number one in a differentgenre.
It was just a snowball effectafter that.
So with all the success books inDays of Beijing had, that led to
me writing more books, um,publishing more books.
I published two books that Ididn't write, I helped, you know
what I'm saying?
I helped two other peoplepublish their books.
Um, so we six books in now, uh,two bestsellers, no, four
(10:01):
bestsellers.
Um.
Got my, started my publishingcompany in 2021, um, and started
turning, took that service, uh,created the service of coaching
people through the writingpublish process.
'cause it just surprised me.
It was just shocking to me justhow many people had aspirations
or lifelong dreams of becoming apublished author or writing a
book.
You know what I'm saying?
For me, it was just idea I wasgiven.
(10:23):
I stepped up to the plate andhit a home run on my first time
at bat, you know what I'msaying?
But I acquired a lot of game anda lot of wisdom and knowledge
about self-publishing.
Uh, just through my own duediligence.
Uh, just wanted to learn moreabout the field.
Um, so I was like, okay, forsure.
Let me see.
I'm work with any, any andeverybody if you interested.
For sure.
(10:43):
I got number game for you, butshout out to the two, uh,
authors that actually saw theprocess and trusted the process
all the way through AnthonyMcKinney.
His book went number one, uh, intwo different genres.
His is titled The FatherlessChild.
It's by his experience gettingli uh, getting molested before
the age of 10.
How that affected him and shapedhim into who he is today.
(11:03):
And then the other author, IshaSadler, at the time she wrote
her book, she was 15 years old,16 when she published it, not
only did she go number one, shewent number one to two different
genres and she helped for likenine straight days.
Stop playing with that littlegirl on baby.
So big shout out to them too.
Um, so that let me know rightthen and there.
I said, okay, but you know whatyou doing?
Like you can coach people, youcan get people to publish their
(11:25):
books, but it seems it's acommon theme right here to even
say we produce best s You knowwhat I'm saying?
You've done it for yourself.
You also helped two other peopledo it on their first book.
So it's like, Hey, we gotta keepour foot on this gas.
For sure.
For sure.
You know
Stoy (11:38):
what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Most.
And so why isn't that the fulltime?
Why?
Why still help kids?
Why still coaching if you knowthey're so dominant in this
world?
Why isn't that a bigger thing?
Where are you at?
Still
Chancellor Jackson (11:50):
gotta market it.
Still gotta push it, you knowwhat I'm saying?
Still gotta push it out there.
We ain't nowhere near where wewant to be yet, but.
Yeah, we still got a long way togo for sure, but we gonna get
there.
Most definitely.
Most definitely.
For sure.
I'm actually in the, uh, worksof creating a course, a 14 day
course and a 14 week course, youfeel me.
Um, the 14 day course, it'spretty much self-sufficient.
(12:11):
You can do it, you can be, youcan publish your own book on
your own.
Now you want me to be a littlebit more hands on with the
process?
Then we got the 14 week coursethat'll be available as well.
So yeah, y'all be on the looksout for that for sure.
And from that point on, we goingto just continue to scale it,
um, and grow.
Love it.
Love it.
Stoy (12:29):
Alright.
Day job.
The guy have a day job, right?
Chancellor Jackson (12:32):
Yeah,
Stoy (12:33):
you do.
Every day now.
Chancellor Jackson (12:35):
Um, well still work in education.
So like I said, I was like, Iknew, I, I'm like, bro, I
applied to, I'm from Atlanta,Georgia.
We got so many counties in themetro Atlanta area.
So I was like, I can pick andchoose of whichever one I want
to dabble in, if you know whatI'm saying.
I got plenty of options.
Um, and I just knew, I was like,bro, them folks gonna see their
resume and see that you can talkin Beijing, but that's gonna
(12:56):
open up doors off the real,like, it, it is, it is a
conversation starter every time.
Um, so I knew I wasn't gonnahave no trouble with that, so
still been in that.
And then I just fell intocoaching in 2019 too.
I was, that was ironic.
Um, I had a little homie thatstayed across the street from me
who was, uh, was attending thehigh school that I attended, and
(13:17):
he was like, Hey bro, you shouldcome up to the, uh, the high
school Monday.
You know what I'm saying?
Watch us during summer workouts.
I'm like, for sure.
I pull up, uh, and I pulled upand I'm just out there, just
posted, just watching them andthey break off into position.
Uh.
Groups and I go down there withthe dbs, just watching them in
Indy and then just giving smallpointers to the players, just
pulling'em off to the side, give'em small pointers here and
(13:38):
there.
Um, and then the DB coach, like,Hey man, you trying to coach?
I'm like, boy, I ain't got, atthat point in time, I ain't got
nothing opportunity in time withmy hands.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm fresh outta Beijing jailsix.
You know what I'm saying?
For sure.
I'm, I'm open to any and allopportunities, so I was
originally supposed to get onwith the high school I attended.
But the ad, he was move.
He was dragging his feet andpushing my paperwork through.
(14:01):
So I ended up attending thisluncheon that all the coaches
and.
The county I played for attendevery year.
I was like, man, watch.
I've run into all my old coachesat this, uh, convention, and lo
and behold, I did.
The majority of'em was at theschool I coach at now, Wheeler
High School.
So I was like, oh man, all y'allover here, Wheeler.
I said, oh, y'all got a littlecoach.
This is a nice little squadright here.
(14:21):
And one of my former coachessaid, what were you trying to
do?
You trying to coach?
I'm like, bro, I'm, I'm open forall opportunities.
I'm up here with Campbell, but Iain't a part of they staff just
yet.
Ad dragged his feet.
He sat there, he introduced meto the principal at that same
day, the principal, the ad, andthe head coach.
Next thing I know, they waspushing my paperwork through.
So like that's just how thatfell into that.
And here we are.
(14:42):
What, entering year seven?
It is been a, it is been a fivetoo.
I enjoy working with the, theyoung men.
We've had few, a couple classesnow.
You know what I'm saying?
Thatt came and gone.
So it's just crazy to see justthe evolution, you know what I'm
saying?
I see why coaches get in thisgame and being it for 10 to 20
years and then, you know whatI'm saying, time just flies by,
you know what I'm saying?
It's crazy.
(15:02):
This year seven.
Stoy (15:04):
So football for both you and I, although, you know, we
had a little, I had a littlebetter career, you know, I won
the conference championship.
I mean, just sitting right,right there.
But football has been what droveme and where I'm at.
I mean, there, I wouldn't be whoI am without football.
Big from a little kid on, youknow, my boys are starting to
tackle this year too, so like,it, it is just in, in the blood.
(15:25):
What can you say to those?
'cause I, I just, I'll bereleasing, this will come out
July, in, in the first two weeksof June.
I'm actually releasing anotherthing that specifically talks
about football because I've beenasked so many times, shit, my
son play football because of theconcussions and yada, yada,
yada.
And I really highlight and say,first of all, every sport's
dangerous soccer actually hasmore concussions than football,
(15:47):
right?
Arts are just more violent.
Two, what they'll learn frombeing a human from football, I.
We, they will not get in band asmuch as they will football.
You know, not to call it my bandgeeks.
I love it.
The games sound great, but liketruthfully, the, the lessons
learned in life in football are,are bar none.
What do you say to the parentsmaybe that ask you that?
(16:09):
Or if kids ask you that aboutspecifically the concussion
piece, um, of football?
Chancellor Jackson (16:13):
For sure.
I mean it's just like it's now,football is revolutionizing, it
isn't just a straight bang bangfootball, no more flag football
is growing like no other.
You could play flag.
You ain't gotta worry about allthat then.
You know what I'm saying?
That's really contactless.
You just gotta pull a flag.
That's it.
You, you still probably.
(16:35):
You'll say rolled ankles, ACL,you'll still suffer, but you can
suffer from that in any, likeyou said, in any sport.
But if it's the concussions orjust how violent the sport is,
flag football is a greatalternative.
And it's a, it is, I'm sure it'san Olympic sport by now.
If it isn't, you know what I'msaying?
You'd be able to complete,compete on national, uh, stages
just playing flag football.
(16:56):
So that's a whole alternative toyou.
So.
What else?
What else excuse you got?
That's what what else?
Excuse You got you.
Baby.
Strap on this, uh, this flag andkeep it
Stoy (17:05):
going.
For sure.
What do you teach these kidsthat come in about in football,
grinding and having grit?
You have to have it.
Yeah.
We're not all blessed with thetalent in the world, but it's
always the hard workers facts.
What is the thing that you'reteaching these young kids about
being able to grind and gritboth in the game and how that
(17:26):
translates to outside the game?
It is just the, it just
Chancellor Jackson (17:29):
boil down how bad you want, how bad you
want, succeed at the sport.
Honestly.
What are your goals?
What is your purpose of playingthis sport?
You just like to wear thejerseys on game day with the
rest of the team.
Look cool.
Then for sure.
You know what I'm saying?
Whatever floats your boat, butthis is something you really
wanna take serious.
'cause this case in high school,getting paid a lot of money
nowadays, these boys made, youcould be, man, you could be paid
(17:52):
in high school, but if you'renot taking this stuff serious
now, I don't know.
What's the, what's the point?
Honestly, you know what I'msaying?
For sure.
For sure.
This thing can be as big as youwanna make it.
Um, and go as far as you wannatake it.
Now you got to work harder thaneverybody.
You think you work hard.
Nah, you ain't seen nothing yet.
But I guarantee we can find acat out here right now that's
really getting it and can showyou how to really get it.
(18:14):
So it's like, but you gotta puteverything you love into this
sport.
Um, and the football guys willbless you for sure, for sure.
Um, that's on and off the field.
Everything you do.
How you do anything is how youdo everything.
So you can't cut up in theclassroom and think it's gonna
translate over to the footballfield and positive things are
(18:35):
going to occur.
No, you gotta stack good ongood.
You gotta continue to stack.
Good on good, continue to doright?
That's what we quote that wheelhigh school do.
Right?
Do Right and good things willcome back to you.
So if there's something that youwanna do, man, give it your all
dog, give it your all, and watchyour return and dividends, like
(18:55):
in ways you could never imagine.
For sure.
For sure.
Especially getting your schoolpaid for.
That's the most important part.
You get that paid for and you beable to, now you can have a
little pocket change.
So you ain't even gotta be brokethe whole time you in college.
You know what I'm saying?
It is like this, this shit, man.
Y'all got it made.
Boy, y'all boy, if we could goback, man, let that been us.
Stoy (19:15):
Right?
Come on.
Ever hook you was talking about.
I'm like, if this was my day andage, are you kidding me?
I mean, we, I had to work as,um, a security at the bar, like
just to eat really, basically.
Like these kids don't even haveto think about eating right.
Um, you know, they're buyingcars and taking care of families
(19:36):
and it's like, it ain't fair.
It's not even the same game.
You
Chancellor Jackson (19:40):
ain't buying a house bust down chains and
watches.
Stoy (19:43):
Right.
And let's talk about this justbecause we are former athletes
in the end of your career,right?
Mm-hmm.
Whether it's high school, for usit was college, luckily.
Talk to me about what you wentthrough after that last snap.
Yeah.
And where you are mentally at,because I know, I felt when I
lost that last snap of ours,regardless that we won the
(20:05):
championship or not, like youfelt.
This emptiness.
You, you, you don't have a teamanymore.
You don't have that where we'regrinding and bleeding and
beating up on each other,literally day in and day out.
And I know it.
I felt a certain way about it.
So why don't you talk to methrough how you felt after that
transition and how much furtherthat was from Beijing?
Yeah, it was a process.
(20:26):
'cause
Chancellor Jackson (20:28):
you identify, you embody a student
athlete and a football player tothe fullest, and now that is no
longer the case.
You have to re-identify yourselfall over again.
I done seen folks stay afloat orcompletely sink, you know what
I'm saying?
When they comes times acrossthat bridge.
Um, for me, I was just like,man, who am I?
(20:48):
Chance?
Like, what do you enjoy doing?
What are you good at doing?
What, what do you like to do?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, what is our purpose?
What's gonna be next?
I have no clue.
But I gotta figure it out.
For sure, for sure.
And it's, it was kind of, I sawit as a challenge almost because
(21:08):
it's like, okay, now I get to,it's like a fresh start all over
again.
Like I get to MI get to paintmyself as a whole completely
different way.
So I'm like, I gotta figure itout.
I just gotta try a bunch ofstuff'cause I don't know what it
is I wanna do.
And so I'm like, I just gottaput myself out there and try a
bunch of stuff.
And I'm like, by doing that, yougonna figure out what it is you
like to do, what you don't wannado.
You know what I'm saying?
All that.
So it just helped narrow itdown.
(21:29):
Your decisions or Williamson orjust finding your next football,
your next passion or yourpurpose?
Um, so I was just start applyingfor jobs off the rip.
You know what I'm saying?
I knew the league.
I'm like, nah, the NFL, that'snot happening.
So I'm gonna start applying forjobs.
And I was applying for corporatepositions mainly.
And I was ha landing interviews.
I'm talking about some of theseinterviews I'm getting flown out
(21:51):
for, put up a hotel.
I said, boy, ain't no way, boy,I'm finna find me something.
Boy, they, I'm finna find me agood paying job too.
Nah, that wasn't the case.
That wasn't the case.
It was like eight months hadpassed and I was like, bro, I
done moved back home.
I'm like, bro, what is going on?
I done did everything quoteunquote the textbook way and I
keep, you know what I'm saying?
(22:11):
I keep ending up the shortingthe stick.
Keep him with the same BSexcuse.
Oh, uh, you lack.
Uh, you lack the experience, sowe gonna go with somebody a
little bit more that you got alittle bit more experience.
But it's like, bro, y'all knewthat was the case when I
submitted my resume before y'allsit up and paid for all of this
stuff.
Y'all knew that was the case.
Now I sat down face to face withy'all.
Wouldn't have shifted paradigmthen, but I ain't really take it
(22:32):
too personally.
Um,'cause I've been in thisposition before when they was
trying to find a school to playat, you know what I'm saying?
After high school.
So it's like, man, just keepputting yourself out there.
You gonna find something.
Somebody gonna say yes,eventually, let's reapproach our
job searching.
Let's do that.
'cause corporate might not befor us family.
We done tried this for months,ain't had no success.
Let's res, let's restructurethis.
(22:53):
And with me switching up, my jobsearching, that's when I seen,
oh, teach ins of kids in China.
That sound lit.
You know what I'm saying?
I feel like I could do that fly.
First job, tell me yes, aftereight months of being told no on
the other side of the world, ohyes Lord, this is what we finna
do.
No ifs or bust about it.
Um, and I just knew going out toChina, I was like, this is going
to be.
A great starting point for me,just trying to figure myself
(23:15):
out.
I'm finna move to a wholedifferent side of the world.
I'm gonna be out there alone.
I'm gonna learn a lot aboutmyself.
You know what I'm saying?
Ain't no telling who I'm gonnabe after this year.
So I was looking forward to thejourney, and it did exactly what
I expected it to do.
I just didn't expect to go theway that it went.
But all in all, it still didwhat it was supposed to do, for
sure.
Stoy (23:35):
Yeah.
You figured it out.
Just.
As we wrap this up, I always askthis question, what is it that
you want our listeners to takefrom this conversation today
that maybe they can implementright now as they're listening
to help them in their journeygoing forward?
Actually,
Chancellor Jackson (23:52):
I got a quote that comes to mind
immediately.
Um, and it's about NipseyHussle, and it goes long-winded
running through this life likeit was mine.
Never settling, but settingevery goal high.
1000 burs to the path, to my owndestruction or success.
But what is a mistake withoutthe lesson?
You see, the best teacher inlife is your own experience, and
(24:14):
none of us know who we are untilwe fail.
They say every person's definedby their reactions to any given
situation.
Well, who would you want todefine?
You?
Someone else or yourself?
Whatever you choose to do,homie, just give your heart to
it and stay strong.
Stoy (24:30):
I love that.
Absolutely love that.
And we're gonna have all hisconnections with this book, link
with this company forpublishing.
We're gonna have thateverywhere.
So don't worry about that,folks.
Uh, it's gonna be out there, butif you wanna hit up chance, just
do so.
Please hear his story, what hesaid on the art podcast today,
but keep following him.
And if you have a story to besaid, I'm sure there is one
person I already know that'shere to help you publish your
(24:51):
book, right?
Yes, Lord.
Yes, Lord.
So let's again, I appreciateyou, uh, sir, and you keep doing
what you're doing.
Chancellor Jackson (24:56):
Appreciate you family, everybody that tuned
in for the whole episode.
You a real one for sure.
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