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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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wrath of the tall man Boy.
And this is 90 for ChillPodcast live from Fan Expo 2025
in New Orleans.
I'm sorry, yankee, I'm notgoing to be able to nail that.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
No, you did great.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
You didn't do New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
And then I watched Kojak I love that old series and
he did New Orleans.
He went French with like fullbore.
So New Orleans is good Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
All right, so with me today.
Well, you know formalintroductions this is Cat Bus,
russ and this is I Dig CrazyFlicks Presents 90 for Chill,
the podcast.
I Dig Crazy Flicks just foundit better as a brand and it kind
of expands, you know, myopportunities to get guests on
the show.
But primarily my focus when Istarted this podcast 90 for
(01:05):
Chill was to focus on movieswith run times between 70 and
100 minutes.
I think that anything longerthan that, how are you going to
make time for it?
I work two jobs myself and ifyou watch, basically due to
streaming, I kind of came upwith the idea because with
streaming you watch one episode,you're going to end up in a
(01:25):
binge.
Then you're not going to haveany energy left when you wake up
and have to go back to work.
So I also find that 90 minutesusually the movie has to be
crazy.
I mean to catch my interest.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So with me are two experts, I believe, on the New
Orleans film scene.
I've got Brian and TJ from theNOLA Film Scene Podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
With TJ and Plato.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Thank you.
You know, just to start, youhave a crazy film.
Either of you that kind ofinfluenced you and the kind of
taste you have.
You know, for me, have you everheard of hawk the slayer?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
uh, yes, I've watched a lot of the bad movie by bible
channel on youtube bad movieokay, all, right, no, no, no
it's called bad movie it'sdefinitely not an a, it's not
not a B, it might be a C, but itwas right at the time, about
1980, when I saw it and I was akid playing Dungeons Dragons,
and it's Jack Palance as thevillain, kind of Star Wars-esque
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set in a D&D world.
The Elven sword floats, itglows, the repeating crossbow is
just chopped up edited footage.
So it's ka-chunk, ka-chunk,ka-chunk.
How's that go?
Ka-chunk, ka-chunk, ka-chunk.
It's perfection in its crap.
It's craptastic and I loveevery minute of it.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Well, I mean for me, I guess my mom just didn't
particularly like all the StarWars stuff, so Flash Gordon was
her answer immediately sinceshe's a big.
Anglophile was her answerimmediately, since she's a big
Anglophile.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
She recently.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Just got back from another trip to England and
that's why Timothy Dalton is myJames Bond, because my dad would
not go to see really loudmovies.
So, at seven I'm going to take.
She didn't want to go to themovies alone, so I ended up
seeing the Living Daylightsthree times in the cinema.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
You were a kid in the 90s.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Well, I mean you know , I cinema you were a kid in the
90s.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Well, I mean, you know, I only missed two months
of night of the 80s.
Okay, all right.
Oh, I need some geritol.
Oh, my god, my back.
I'm saying I'm old ross.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I'm saying I'm old I'm sorry I keep mixing up brian
.
Yes, tj, what uh?
What movies really like you gotinto that are kind of off the
wall.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I know I should have had that prepared.
It changes from year to year.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Oh no, it wasn't until recently.
I was trying to watch Legionoff of Netflix in my hotel Back
in 2009,.
I thought, oh, this just lookslike big budget, unthought-out
garbage.
And then, months later, I'm atthe B movie double feature, and
when they say B, I mean nobudget double feature.
(04:15):
So yeah, it really kind ofopened me up to what crazy can
be Getting into acting.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Brian and I both got into it much later in life, so
we didn't grow up in Hollywood.
We didn't grow up with, youknow, family in the business
that could get us in front ofcameras early on, a lot of work
for free.
You do a lot of student films,you do a lot of self-produced
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productions and in that timewe've come across a lot of
different shorts.
Brian was in a very interesting.
Actually it's not a short, it'sa feature.
Which one, the Wheel of Heaven.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Wheel of Heaven.
It's a feature.
It's absurdist art house.
It almost defies description.
My wife likes her films kind ofnormal and she went to the
premiere with me and walked outand said what the hell was that?
But it's fun, it has a point.
It's like somebody flippingchannels in a choose your own
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adventure book, so you have tofollow along but let them take
you in the way, which is fine.
Not everybody's going to likethat.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
It's an interesting time now that we don't really
channel surf anymore, becauseusually it's just, you know,
late nights in high school I'mnot had to got over the
sleepover thing by that thatpoint.
So it's like, well, what's onup at night up?
All night on USA All night.
Yeah, that's where I foundphantasm myself, which is one of
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my favorite horror movies.
How can you dislike a franchisewhere your hero is that ice
cream truck driver with a quadbarrel shotgun?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
He was definitely having a ball.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, and that you know Don Costarelli, like a
beast master, is probably hismost tame movie.
Wow, yeah, Cause you got BubbaHo tap and then you, yeah and uh
, John dies at the end is areally crazy one.
Yeah, A lot of discussion onthe podcast, so you know, let's
(06:26):
just jump then to you know thepremise of 90 for Chill, which
is is 100 minutes, a good cap ona run time.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I think it depends on what the goal is.
I get the concept.
I like the concept because Imean, let's face it, these days
it's not the easiest thing tojust sit down for two and a half
, three hours and that's one ofthe first things we talk family
and I talk about whenever we'retrying to decide a film for the
(06:55):
family for the evening.
What's the runtime on it?
Because who's got, you know,after a full day of work and
activities and everything else,who's got that kind of time?
And I don't like to stop andstart, especially the first time
I'm watching something.
I like to watch it all the waythrough.
But on the other side of thatcoin is what's the story they're
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trying to tell?
Does it need to be longer thanan hour and a half?
That's the big question.
Can they tell the story?
We've learned from doing 48hour film project and 7 and 7
film project, where you haveeither 48 hours or 7 days to
film an entire film.
You have to tell that story inthe confines of 4 to 7 minutes
(07:47):
and I honestly I think it'sbetter storytelling if you can
be a little more concise with itoh well, uh, yeah, uh, there we
go.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
This is proven.
Uh, hopefully, john um, was itjohn houston um?
The?
Uh, he lost me comic bookartist we spoke with earlier,
larry Larry Houston, larryHouston, sorry to equate him.
Way well, not a bad equation,john Houston's pretty good.
So there you go.
That's the thesis he wascurious about.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I don't like saying it's got to be this amount.
I agree with you.
Gravity is the point.
It's the pacing.
I won't say what.
I agree with you.
Gravity is the point and youcan.
It's the pacing.
I won't say what.
I was in something in a coupleand we're at the amateur level.
Basically, you know we'regetting paid for movies but
we're still doing movies forfree, student films, and some of
them editing is so precise, itcarries you seven minutes but
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you forget about the time.
I know it's not hard to forgetseven minutes, but the story
drags you through.
You're like, oh, that's great,you don't even think about it.
Where I've been in others whereif we were filming right now,
the camera would be on me.
Then when I stopped they wouldwait a second.
Put the camera on, you, wait asecond and then you would start
talking.
So the editing, the pacing,lost its energy.
So there's hey, how you doing,I'm doing all good, so you lose
(09:06):
that.
So, even at the shorter times,it's about the editing, it's
about the storytelling and howyou learn and these are new
directors, new actors but howyou learn to bring that energy
and bring that to people.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Well, when you bring up editing and pacing, that
makes me think of the classicJohn Wu Hong Kong movies.
Those are long movies but youknow, greatest 45 minutes in
action is probably the finale ofHard Boiled.
In my opinion, that's justperfect.
Bang, bang, bang.
If you can keep that pace upfor two and a half hours, you're
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golden.
If you stop and have a bunch ofdwarves singing and mocking
Bilbo Baggins, you're golden.
If you stop and have a bunch ofdwarves singing and mocking
Bilbo Baggins, you're going tolose something, but if that adds
to his character, so they'remocking him.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
But then when he becomes the hero, you feel it,
you take that journey with him.
So it's the timing, it's theprecision and it's doing that
for a purpose rather than, oh,I'm just going to bring another
character in so I can make a toy, so I can, you know, lengthen
the movie to make it longer.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
That's when we get Legolas brought into the
franchise early.
And I think the problem withthe Hobbit series, how they say
that, is like we kind of knewBilbo already.
I mean not Martin Freeman.
I mean Martin Freeman isawesome, yeah, probably my
favorite character in LoveActually, but that's a movie
that.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I want to see the mashup of the Hobbit movies and
Love Actually now, but I likethe Hobbit movies.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Oh, no, no, I like them.
I love the Battle of the FiveArmies, especially the extended
cut where you get the R-ratedgore.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
When Bilbo's there looking up at Smaug.
I was in the front row, I wasclose and I was reaching for an
imaginary sword.
I'm an old D&D player.
Back in the day and I felt Iwas like, oh dude, I want to
kill that kid.
You know, what I mean and I likethat Peter Jackson expanded the
universe by using Tolkien'sexpanded universe.
He didn't just make things,maybe a little bit with the
dwarf and the elf love, but youcan kind of go for that.
(11:04):
But I understand why peopledidn't like it.
And yes, it probably could havebeen done in two movies,
probably could have been done inone.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Well, I mean that goes back to Rankin-Bass.
That shows you that it is allabout the narrative, because
nothing happens in a Rankin-Bassmovie, which was actually
Studio Ghibli's beginning.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Right, you're hitting my child on the head, we're
going to throw down.
But people didn't like theReturn of the King from Franken
and Bass.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Well, that was just Sean Lee, I agree.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
But the song when there's a Whip, there's a Way.
I still sing it to this day.
And no, I'm not singing on thispodcast.
You'll have to come to NOLAFilm Scene to hear that.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, we're only Maybe bonus content A couple of
minutes before say uh copyrighttrolls, get on us about that
yeah, I've only been hit acouple of times.
I was back when I was with podbean for my distribution and
they would just instantly put itup on youtube.
Once it was, uh, the your, yournext episode, and I put the
(12:08):
trailer on before I did myreview and then I was able to
talk that one down Like no, thisis their trailer.
Lionsgate got the rights toPerfect Day by Lee Reed.
I was in the challenge to yourGhibli when I reissued a Totoro
episode.
Oh nice, and it was a trailerfor their you know jiggly fest.
(12:29):
But nope, nope got flagged.
Yeah, because they use theirmusic.
They're like music is somethingyou got to be very careful of.
Like you can use about anysoundbite.
I try my best to use about anysound.
Like I'm a not you know.
You said I'm a 90s kid.
Well, you know midwest radio,that's.
So everybody's just like well,I guess it was zoo, I can't
(12:49):
remember the term.
Morning zoo, morning zoo.
Yeah, you just throw a soundbite in whenever you can get a
chance.
It's crazy crazy, crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
But Kevin Smith, I follow him a lot.
Everybody knows that my firstmovie I was in Jay and Silent
Bob reboot and he can play atrailer from one of his movies
and YouTube will pull it down.
Yep, and it's his.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
AI Right, and there's not real people reviewing them.
Technically, a lot of it blindsto the Weinsteins, but Not
anymore oh.
He's got dogma back.
Yeah, I think that was beingheld up just because of the
music.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I thought no, the Weinsteins had it Okay, and so I
think, if you can go to Kevin'spodcast, they made him an offer
and he didn't want to do it,and so that's why it sat.
And then the rights, finally, Ibelieve just reverted back to
Kevin and they probably had topay it, but he's planning on
taking it on tour, like he didfor Reboot, like he did for Yoga
(13:42):
Hosers Red State was the firstone he really did the tours for.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I miss you, Kevin.
We need you on the podcast, myreal closest relationship with
any auteurs with the ThoskaTwins out of Vancouver.
They've done.
They made their name.
This is back with Peoria, soI'm from Central Illinois, that
definite Yankee here again, andthe Drunken Zombie double
(14:08):
feature.
Eventually they did an annualfilm festival and that was one
like I really wanted to see,called dead hooker and a trump.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah and I've heard of it yes, uh, then they're
probably.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
They're probably best known for american mary, a
story of a med student, afterbeing sexually assaulted by her
instructor, decides to go intobody modification using her
surgical skills.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
On herself or on others.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
On others she happens to.
Well.
I mean that's going to bespoilers, but she's got a great
practice dummy.
They did a great sequel to aWWE film, xeno Evil.
Oh yeah, xeno Evil 2, and thatwas With Kane.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Her primary actress in those films were Isabel I
think it's not Isabel Catherine,Isabel, best known for Ginger
and Ginger Snaps.
Talking to a bunch of actorsand the experience of working
your way up.
Not too far removed from mytime in the wrestling business,
you say, oh, working for free,we call it for a hot dog and a
(15:14):
handshake.
If you can get that hot dog,that's fine.
Thinking about the crowd rightnow at this panel, a lot of
buttons handed out.
I do think the promotion isfine.
We're competing against Back tothe Future.
That's not a compliment.
No 40th anniversary panel.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
It's a big Back to the Future weekend here.
Not only do you have Michael JFox and Leah Thompson, the main
people, but they have Goldie,the guy who played the mayor,
the second dad.
His last name's Weissman.
I've just kind of met him onFacebook.
People are like go say hi tohim.
I'm like, okay, I haven't methim yet, but all right, I'll go
say hi to him.
I'm not disappointed that wedidn't get anybody.
It'd be nice For TJ and I.
(15:54):
This is our first.
We're thrilled yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
We're talking to TJ's lovely wife here.
Cool to the smallest crowd I'veperformed in wrestling-wise.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I haven't done any stand-up comedy yet, but in
improv there's one person there,even none.
You do it.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yes, you know what I mean and she's being a great
audience member.
I like the one show I did infront of one person
wrestling-wise.
This guy was what we call atotal mark.
He's like trying to commentate,plot the moves out.
Time it right time, it righttime, it right there you go.
It's like weird warehouse showsis the only voice you can hear.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Hey, weird warehouse shows is what put ECW on the map
?
There's nothing wrong with aweird warehouse show.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
No, no, that's probably one of my best
wrestling experiences.
Was the first time ECW came toPeoria.
They didn't do the arena, lipBiscuit was doing the arena that
night.
And they just did what theycall the assembly hall.
Just the ball, everybody's ontop of each other.
And then like, oh, we weren'tquite prepared for Axel Rotten
(17:00):
to be thrown.
No, I think it's Tony.
What are the ball needs to bethrown out right behind us where
we're sitting.
3d, up close and personal wherewe're sitting 3D up close and
personal.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Since we're on wrestling, what's your finishing
move?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
My primary finishing move was called School Days.
My gimmick was the student ofthe game, which is a lot, to be
honest, a little too muchthought for wrestling fans,
unfortunately.
Oh, you're a Triple Eight fan,oh no, I hated Hunter then Can't
say I'm a big fan now.
I appreciate that I watch AEWand I appreciate that he but I
(17:34):
do appreciate Hunter's mind isalways on the wrestling bit.
Anything he sees he tries tokill and put forth into the,
into it Like.
And that's kind of the movie Iended up watching last night.
Because Legion, you can't getwith the ad program on Netflix,
like there's licensing issues,oh how, why?
(17:55):
Well, I don't understand whythe ads make a difference.
So I watched this movie calledthe hollow rising with Mads
Mikkelsen it directed by the guywho did drive and like the
first 15 minutes are awesome andthen it just falls off a cliff.
In my opinion you get some like, basically some of the gore
effects I really want toincorporate in the movie I wrote
(18:17):
once I got into no budgetcinema Because I was trying to
like, after my wrestling sloweddown, I was trying to write well
originally I had a friend whosaid, oh, we could do a comic
book about all your experienceson the road.
And then that kind a lot ofdrama there, a literal falling
out, and I said, well, I stillgot these stories, so let's try
(18:37):
to make it into some screenplay.
So they're deep indie, you know.
Yeah, feelers, while I stilltry to do kevin smith and
carantino style comedy.
And then I thought like, well,no, just got to get a movie made
, all right, we'll do theno-budget route.
And then I figured I'd have allmy friends from the wrestling
scene, but it's Main Event ofthe Dead, pro-wrestling zombie
(18:57):
comedy.
So you finished it.
No, the screenplay, yeah.
I wrote that.
But no, I haven't been able toget anything.
Get the support behind it, Icouldn't.
We might be able to help.
We know some people, all right,yeah.
So I still got to do a rerunand script.
It was basically like I want toown this real fast.
Wrote the sentence off theWashington Library of Congress,
(19:19):
so I have the copyright on it.
I think I may have beat prowrestling versus zombies versus
pro wrestlers.
I have a copy of that.
I think I may have beaten himby a couple months With Hacksaw
Jim Duggan.
I know Shane Douglas, roddyPiper, one of the Hardy bro-ists
.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I believe Duggan's in it too, because at WrestleMania
30, they did the Mid-Southconvention.
I'm a Mid-South boy from wayback in the day and I have a 2x4
signed by Hacksaw Jim Duggan.
He was in it because he becomesa zombie and Piper has to deal
with it.
So that was.
I don't want to say it wastrash, it wasn't good, but I
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enjoyed all of it, but it's forme.
So when we say, like you weretalking about the I already
forgot what movie and it was 15Minutes, mads Mikkelsen and then
it was trash and I'm not sayingyou're wrong because I haven't
seen it and I don't care if Ihad, because that's your opinion
.
But I watched the internet andI listened to people's reactions
.
I didn't like this because it'sgarbage.
(20:18):
So it's all or nothing withthem.
They don't let the story tellthem something which is
everybody's opinion, that's fine, or they don't even give it a
chance.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, no, I made it through it and I really wanted
to like it more.
I got you.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Here's my question.
I'll phrase it this way whenWonder Woman 1984 came out, okay
, I liked it.
I didn't love it.
I loved the first one, that wasgreat.
I liked Justice League I didtoo, and I loved the extended
version even better.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I really loved Batman v Superman, the extended
version.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I liked it.
I didn't love it and Black Adamwas trash.
So we'll stop there with those.
But I have a friend who writesWonder Woman fan fiction and so
his review of Wonder Woman 1984is I would not have written Max
Lord like that.
That's fine, but you can'texpect them to do what you want
to do.
You have to let the story takeyou.
(21:17):
You don't have to like it, butyou see what I mean.
People close off too soon andit's got to be great or nothing.
It's trash.
It's pretty good, it's okay.
You know what I mean.
We're so hyperbolic on theinternet.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I mean well, jesse Eisenberg's Luther.
I thought no, that's theappropriate tech, bro.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
That's what Luther would be today.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, man of Steel.
Yeah, the man of Steel Superman, when his dad didn't let him
save him.
Think about the farmers whenSuperman first came out in 1938.
They probably trusted thegovernment a lot more.
So when that movie comes out,think about how not only people
but then the farmers who havebeen screwed over by the banks
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and government, or just havethat feeling because I don't
have the facts for that.
It makes sense for now.
You know what I mean, so it hasto change a little bit with the
times now you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
So it has to change a little bit with the times well
I brought this thing to a close.
You know it's, that's fine.
It's more like oh, you know, Iusually like I had a lot of fun
at Twin Cities time because, ohpeople, would you know, crowd
started building, yeah, and thenlike I'll throw now out the
buttons, yeah, yeah and then youstarve yes, exactly that'd be
(22:36):
awesome.
Yeah, yep, it's great having youguys on on to this panel,
because every time is a learningexperience for me and, honestly
, I think we're going prettysmooth right now this is a good
podcast and a great place torecord it.
Maybe a little echoey, yeah kindof reminds me of the Predator
(23:00):
joke I think it was Shane Blackgot to do oh from the Predator.
He goes to the Native Americanand said you know, he keeps
trying to get this character tocrack.
That's where the Predatoreventually gets his laugh at the
end of the movie and he like hedid that laugh.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, I don't think his name's Shane Black, but yeah
, totally understand.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Well, Shane Black was one of the characters in there.
Yeah, no, he did.
He like, he like.
Oh, can you punch up the strip?
No, I'm here to just get paid.
Gotcha, get paid.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Gotcha.
Yeah, folks put it in thecomments when we post this.
Tell us who the character was,tell us if we were wrong or
right.
Put it on social media.
Engage us, follow us, share us.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Oh well, with that said, I got something out of the
bag to grab.
Excuse me while I whip this out.
Just to get the word out on thepodcast, I went and got some
bumper stickers for both shows.
I mean, it's pretty simplistic.
Just figuring out freeform onApple.
(24:04):
Now I realize how I should havedone Fan Expo, but my attempt
to make a little video cassetteit's awesome looking.
Do you guys want to talk?
This is a platform for you justas much as I.
Anything you want to talk aboutfrom NOLA film scene, let's
turn it on you.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Okay, how long have you been podcasting?
Starting the fifth year?
Fifth, wow, yeah, that'sawesome.
We've been doing a little overa year, maybe getting close to a
year and a half.
What has been the biggestrevelation for you?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
You.
You came in with an idea,realized that was wrong and this
is how it is.
Well, I really so.
Initially I was like oh, let'sdo themes.
My first episode I recordedwith my recent ex.
At the time we're still on verygood terms.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
She drove me to the train station I don't know what
her husband thinks, but shedrove you to a place that is
going to get you out of town.
Might not be as close as youthink.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Well so and we decided to just go with anime to
start.
So because I showed her a lotof stuff.
And then, I think the next weekI talked to my older sister,
the poetic critic, on Letterboxd.
It was all about Jeff Goldblumthat time I was.
They can put in a cap at 97minutes.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
But it's very difficult to get guests on the
show if they gotta go and do alot of homework.
I've had a guest who's a realsport.
He's on the comic scene inCentral Illinois.
Andrew Teedy Couchman Bakes.
His TikTok series is BakingWhile Baked, while he makes
stuff, while he bakes stuff withsugar and spice while he's a
(25:40):
little different and feelingnice.
He wanted to do stuff likeTombstone and I had to think
well, how can we get to that?
That's a good two-hour movie.
I can't, and like well, we can,do a marathon of Sam Elliott
movies.
He was fun with that.
We also did that for the Thingas well, which is just a few
minutes too long, even for 100minutes, but then it's like his
(26:02):
wife was getting on him about.
Oh so how long is this onegoing to be?
Another four hour affair.
So brevity, and I guess that'syour theme.
Search led you to the focus ofbrevity.
Yes, yep, you want to be in andout.
I, which led you to the focusof Brevin.
Yes, yep, you want to be in andout.
I get a lot, probably a lotmore plays when I don't have a
guest.
I'm like, all right, I'm justgoing to talk about this movie
for a bit.
Kind of makes me a little sadas a writer, primarily Like, oh,
(26:28):
nobody's going to take the timeto.
But I understand now like, ohwell, this is something you
could play in the background andagain, I just a lot of time,
like when I hear people talkabout it.
My friends talk about thepodcast they listen to.
It's basically, yeah, they'relooking for the shorter episodes
, Right, right.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
And we were advised that, by doing research, keep it
about a half an hour.
But when it's good, it's good,like we just dropped a 45 minute
episode with Miss Ooh La La,our cosplay friend, who will be
here tomorrow at Fan Expo, butnot on this recording.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Okay, I was about to say listen to the episodes.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
All right, I can't say I won't be there.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
She will be.
We had a few that were longerthan an hour and it just gets so
burdensome to edit that muchand we were dropping episodes
every week.
So a friend of mine had beenpodcasting for a while but he
does it more to promote hismarketing business and he said
(27:24):
nah, 30, 35 minutes is the max.
People start their attentionspans start dropping off after
that.
So we started trying to cut itdown a little bit and I think
we've gotten pretty good contentsince we started doing that.
We narrow the focus a littlebit, but sometimes it's
difficult because you get into agood conversation.
(27:44):
We've had a few guests thatwe've.
we've chased some rabbits and ityeah that ends up going a
little bit longer.
There's been a couple thatwe've just split into two, made
it a multi-part episode.
Yeah, that kind of relieves theburden to get the content
churned out.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I've done that a few times and I think the only
problem with that is well, theytalked about it last week is a
response I get when I'm like, oh, part two, oh, but I do kind of
make it a rule now, part two,oh, but I do kind of make it a
rule.
Now, I try to put the movie onat the same time in my
peripheral.
So I have an idea like, okay,we got to keep it.
(28:25):
I'm saying no longer anundervent, we better go and keep
it.
That way We'll follow all theguide.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Plus it can be a prompt of oh yeah, I remember
that scene, yeah that does work,worked a lot with the Princess
Bride episode.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I like it'd be a prompt of oh yeah, I remember
that scene.
Yeah, that does work.
Worked a lot with the PrincessBride episode.
I mean, that's a movie I canquote back and forth.
How long is that?
Only about an hour 36.
Not that long a movie.
It's really bang bang.
Rob Reiner he kept it prettyconcise until I'd say A Few Good
Men and then, oh, I got Oscarbuzz.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah, but Few Good Men Jaws the Thing.
Some of the other ones youmentioned Tombstone, no, no, no,
no, that does not need to be 90minutes.
Those are as close toperfection as you can get.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, jaws works, and that's funny because at Twin
Cities Con it's a generationthing as you keep bringing it up
when you promote your podcast.
Have you seen the Bill and Tedmovies?
I don't know.
I don't know with kids today.
How is that a generation thing?
It's parents.
That's the problem.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, when I hand out the podcast cards to advertise,
debbie Derryberry, who voicedJimmy Neutron, has been on and a
lot of people because that wasthe early 2000s, the younger
people know that on.
And a lot of people becausethat was the early 2000s.
The younger people know thatwe're starting to get away from
that because they're stillgetting younger.
And I was in Bill and Ted haveI mentioned I was Death's photo
double TJ Not yet.
Okay, I want to keep itconsistent.
But Bill Sadler's been on andthat's how I find out people's
(29:48):
age and their interests.
And so when you were behind mebecause I was handing out cards
all through the con today,annoying the hell out of people,
but you know some people likedit.
But but I was saying, do youknow the bill and ted movies?
And that's what you're saying.
You're behind me going what doyou?
What do you mean?
How do you not know the billand ted?
And you find out very quicklythat some people like I don't
know who keanu reeves is.
Oh, but anyway, back to whatyou were saying.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
okay, well, well, speaking of kids, when I did the
twin cities, a kid did go andsay what are they waiting for?
Why don't they just get on theboat and go kill the frickin
shark?
So no, no, tension spans today.
Yeah, a Tombstone really issuch a beautiful disaster,
because it was.
People keep arguing who was thedirector.
Was it Joris Cosmatos, or wasit really Kurt Russell?
(30:35):
It was just everything.
Everything was going wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
But behind the scenes or was it really Kurt Russell?
It was just everything.
Everything was going wrong, butBehind the scenes, what was
recorded and edited was great,Like Jaws.
How the shark didn't work.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Which made them have to make a suspense movie instead
of a horror movie, and itworked better.
And then we were talking withMC Popsicle Popsicle, earlier,
Josh Young shout out.
We were just saying, hey, no, Ido forgive sequels Like, oh, if
you do an awesome movie, I'mgoing to give you an extra 15
minutes.
And I brought up John Wick asthe example and you know, oh,
(31:07):
John Wick 2 was awesome, I'llgive you an extra 30 minutes.
And then John Wick 4, oh, yeah,no, no, I'm totally happy with
two hours 45 minutes.
And again that comes back tothe editing and the pacing, Like
just bang, bang.
You know, that's the onlyproblem I have with a lot of
James Bond movies, and that iswe don't really have the time to
slow down just so you can shaganother woman.
(31:27):
I mean, these are PG movies allthe way up until License to
Kill.
We're not going to get thatmuch out of your shag and we're
going to leave that one lyingwhere it is.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I'll keep it PG, yeah yeah, shag, baby.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah, it's also interesting when you come to say
adapting a novel.
I do not expect any adaptationof War and Peace to follow the.
I learned it from listening tothe Terminator 2, no, the Aliens
commentary with James Cameron.
He was saying, well, I gotAliens, but at the same time I
got the go to write the scriptfor First Blood, part 2, rambo.
(32:01):
And you know, he just askedsomebody I don't know if it was
Stallone oh, you just gottawrite 100.
Just focus on 120 pages, onepage a minute.
So adapting something can be atotally different affair because
you know how much material youhave.
That's why I'm not.
I don't hate on the lord of therings right and hobbit
(32:22):
trilogies.
Now I could probably go.
Maybe now it's a generationalthing for me, like hunger games.
Come on, battle royale did itin one movie, the entire thing
in one movie, which I'm veryfairly certain was the
inspiration for the hunger gamesI got you.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I did not know that I'm not familiar with that movie
like tarantino's.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
I think it was like tarantino's favorite movie for a
while oh yeah it's a bigjapanese movie it's about.
It's about two, maybe evenlonger, but you got the.
Uh, this is the first realparent of the actress who played
gogo from kill bill.
But it's basically yeah, we'rejust gonna choose a random
junior high class to then onesurvivor.
(33:01):
Yeah, so that's the big reasonwhy I never made it.
The states for a good 10 yearsis like we're having teenagers
beat.
Katana was the antagonist.
Essentially the one guyoverseeing everything.
You might know him best is theKenny Blankenship on.
No, he was Vic Romero on MXCMost Extreme Elimination
(33:23):
Challenge back on Spike TV.
Oh, so that's the guy whoplayed the straight man on.
That is pretty much theantagonist.
He's done a lot of great movies, like a remake of Satu Ichi the
Blind Swordsman and that's, butsaying all, all that it kind of
is a a cultural thing as well.
Uh, when it comes to run times,I love takashi miike movies.
(33:47):
Uh, audition ichi the killeryeah but then he's done
adaptations of manga like Bladeof the Immortal, and no, he does
the entire.
First.
We could have definitely cutout a few of these.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Well, you're talking about cut out, and that made me
think.
Do you like Stephen King?
Didn't really read him growingup.
Okay, he's got a series calledthe Dark Tower, which is his
Lord of the Rings.
Love the books, the audio books.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I listen to them while I clean, so then they
tried to make it into a movieseven books, seven books into
one movie.
I thought they were.
I see I didn't see the movie, Ididn't know.
They tried doing it.
I thought it was going to bethe franchise.
That's what it should have been, and it just.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Elba is great.
I know the character.
There was a color change thatdidn't bug me at all, but he's a
cowboy knight from the futureand never wore a cowboy hat.
So not only the gripe of tryingto cut it too much, to miss the
basics of it, you know what Imean.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I think it may have confused audiences that Matthew
McConaughey wasn't the guy whowas going to be wearing the hat.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Let him be confused, and then you can explain it to
him and bring it to him.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
That was a pretty good comment.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Thank you, it was All right.
All right, all right, I had to.
I think we're getting close tothe time, gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I'll go through my formalities.
I always thank my late bestfriend Sasha Marie Harden for
being an inspiration to me andkeeping me out of too much
trouble and I hope she's doingthe same for everybody else she
touched in her life and I hopeshe's squeezing the ectoplasm
out of my fuzzy little buddy.
Skimble Shanks, the one-earedangel.
And I've got to thank myPatreon subscribers.
(35:29):
Tim Bates he's been on theepisode about the 1989 movie
Arena.
Charles Band produced film andNight of the Demons Radiates.
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Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
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I'd always have this guy AAW,Chicago wrestling interviewer,
the Scoops Daily.
If you know me well enough, youknow who that is.
Basically, it's a moneyfunneling thing for me, so you
can follow me on.
All my socials are atCatBusRuss, we're talking Blue
Sky, Instagram and Threz.
(35:59):
I've been banned from Twitter.
Probably trying to push mypodcast during the RNC was not
well taken.
So Musk Hates Movies is ahandle I'm thinking about trying
to get back on me to use.
Where can they find you on theinternet?
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Mine are all TJ Sebastian Official or TJ
Sebastian.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
How.
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Instagram, Facebook and then, of course, Noah Film
Scene on Instagram and Facebook.
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It's French, Sounds like theclay, but isn't Find me there on
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And then I'm Kodaks by Kojak onInstagram, Because you can't
see me through this audio.
I'm bald, even though I have abeard.
Someone gave me the nickname ofKojak, like Tally Savalas and
(36:50):
Kodak Pictures.
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Kodaks by Kojak, as I always like to close out with a
soundbite from David Tennantfrom Good Almonds, can I have a
wahoo Wahoo?
Thanks guys.
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And this is 90 for ChillPodcast live from Fan Expo 2025
in New Orleans.
I'm sorry, yankee, I'm notgoing to be able to nail that.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
No, you did great.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
You didn't do New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
And then I watched Kojak I love that old series and
he did New Orleans.
He went French with like fullbore.
So New Orleans is good Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
All right, so with me today.
Well, you know formalintroductions this is Cat Bus,
russ and this is I Dig CrazyFlicks Presents 90 for Chill,
the podcast.
I Dig Crazy Flicks just foundit better as a brand and it kind
of expands, you know, myopportunities to get guests on
the show.
But primarily my focus when Istarted this podcast 90 for
(01:05):
Chill was to focus on movieswith run times between 70 and
100 minutes.
I think that anything longerthan that, how are you going to
make time for it?
I work two jobs myself and ifyou watch, basically due to
streaming, I kind of came upwith the idea because with
streaming you watch one episode,you're going to end up in a
(01:25):
binge.
Then you're not going to haveany energy left when you wake up
and have to go back to work.
So I also find that 90 minutesusually the movie has to be
crazy.
I mean to catch my interest.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
So with me are two experts, I believe, on the New
Orleans film scene.
I've got Brian and TJ from theNOLA Film Scene Podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
With TJ and Plato.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Thank you.
You know, just to start, youhave a crazy film.
Either of you that kind ofinfluenced you and the kind of
taste you have.
You know, for me, have you everheard of hawk the slayer?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
uh, yes, I've watched a lot of the bad movie by bible
channel on youtube bad movieokay, all, right, no, no, no
it's called bad movie it'sdefinitely not an a, it's not
not a B, it might be a C, but itwas right at the time, about
1980, when I saw it and I was akid playing Dungeons Dragons,
and it's Jack Palance as thevillain, kind of Star Wars-esque
(02:33):
set in a D&D world.
The Elven sword floats, itglows, the repeating crossbow is
just chopped up edited footage.
So it's ka-chunk, ka-chunk,ka-chunk.
How's that go?
Ka-chunk, ka-chunk, ka-chunk.
It's perfection in its crap.
It's craptastic and I loveevery minute of it.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Well, I mean for me, I guess my mom just didn't
particularly like all the StarWars stuff, so Flash Gordon was
her answer immediately sinceshe's a big.
Anglophile was her answerimmediately, since she's a big
Anglophile.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
She recently.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Just got back from another trip to England and
that's why Timothy Dalton is myJames Bond, because my dad would
not go to see really loudmovies.
So, at seven I'm going to take.
She didn't want to go to themovies alone, so I ended up
seeing the Living Daylightsthree times in the cinema.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
You were a kid in the 90s.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Well, I mean you know , I cinema you were a kid in the
90s.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Well, I mean, you know, I only missed two months
of night of the 80s.
Okay, all right.
Oh, I need some geritol.
Oh, my god, my back.
I'm saying I'm old ross.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I'm saying I'm old I'm sorry I keep mixing up brian
.
Yes, tj, what uh?
What movies really like you gotinto that are kind of off the
wall.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I know I should have had that prepared.
It changes from year to year.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Oh no, it wasn't until recently.
I was trying to watch Legionoff of Netflix in my hotel Back
in 2009,.
I thought, oh, this just lookslike big budget, unthought-out
garbage.
And then, months later, I'm atthe B movie double feature, and
when they say B, I mean nobudget double feature.
(04:15):
So yeah, it really kind ofopened me up to what crazy can
be Getting into acting.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Brian and I both got into it much later in life, so
we didn't grow up in Hollywood.
We didn't grow up with, youknow, family in the business
that could get us in front ofcameras early on, a lot of work
for free.
You do a lot of student films,you do a lot of self-produced
(04:45):
productions and in that timewe've come across a lot of
different shorts.
Brian was in a very interesting.
Actually it's not a short, it'sa feature.
Which one, the Wheel of Heaven.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Wheel of Heaven.
It's a feature.
It's absurdist art house.
It almost defies description.
My wife likes her films kind ofnormal and she went to the
premiere with me and walked outand said what the hell was that?
But it's fun, it has a point.
It's like somebody flippingchannels in a choose your own
(05:24):
adventure book, so you have tofollow along but let them take
you in the way, which is fine.
Not everybody's going to likethat.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
It's an interesting time now that we don't really
channel surf anymore, becauseusually it's just, you know,
late nights in high school I'mnot had to got over the
sleepover thing by that thatpoint.
So it's like, well, what's onup at night up?
All night on USA All night.
Yeah, that's where I foundphantasm myself, which is one of
(05:56):
my favorite horror movies.
How can you dislike a franchisewhere your hero is that ice
cream truck driver with a quadbarrel shotgun?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
He was definitely having a ball.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, and that you know Don Costarelli, like a
beast master, is probably hismost tame movie.
Wow, yeah, Cause you got BubbaHo tap and then you, yeah and uh
, John dies at the end is areally crazy one.
Yeah, A lot of discussion onthe podcast, so you know, let's
(06:26):
just jump then to you know thepremise of 90 for Chill, which
is is 100 minutes, a good cap ona run time.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I think it depends on what the goal is.
I get the concept.
I like the concept because Imean, let's face it, these days
it's not the easiest thing tojust sit down for two and a half
, three hours and that's one ofthe first things we talk family
and I talk about whenever we'retrying to decide a film for the
(06:55):
family for the evening.
What's the runtime on it?
Because who's got, you know,after a full day of work and
activities and everything else,who's got that kind of time?
And I don't like to stop andstart, especially the first time
I'm watching something.
I like to watch it all the waythrough.
But on the other side of thatcoin is what's the story they're
(07:19):
trying to tell?
Does it need to be longer thanan hour and a half?
That's the big question.
Can they tell the story?
We've learned from doing 48hour film project and 7 and 7
film project, where you haveeither 48 hours or 7 days to
film an entire film.
You have to tell that story inthe confines of 4 to 7 minutes
(07:47):
and I honestly I think it'sbetter storytelling if you can
be a little more concise with itoh well, uh, yeah, uh, there we
go.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
This is proven.
Uh, hopefully, john um, was itjohn houston um?
The?
Uh, he lost me comic bookartist we spoke with earlier,
larry Larry Houston, larryHouston, sorry to equate him.
Way well, not a bad equation,john Houston's pretty good.
So there you go.
That's the thesis he wascurious about.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I don't like saying it's got to be this amount.
I agree with you.
Gravity is the point.
It's the pacing.
I won't say what.
I agree with you.
Gravity is the point and youcan.
It's the pacing.
I won't say what.
I was in something in a coupleand we're at the amateur level.
Basically, you know we'regetting paid for movies but
we're still doing movies forfree, student films, and some of
them editing is so precise, itcarries you seven minutes but
(08:42):
you forget about the time.
I know it's not hard to forgetseven minutes, but the story
drags you through.
You're like, oh, that's great,you don't even think about it.
Where I've been in others whereif we were filming right now,
the camera would be on me.
Then when I stopped they wouldwait a second.
Put the camera on, you, wait asecond and then you would start
talking.
So the editing, the pacing,lost its energy.
So there's hey, how you doing,I'm doing all good, so you lose
(09:06):
that.
So, even at the shorter times,it's about the editing, it's
about the storytelling and howyou learn and these are new
directors, new actors but howyou learn to bring that energy
and bring that to people.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Well, when you bring up editing and pacing, that
makes me think of the classicJohn Wu Hong Kong movies.
Those are long movies but youknow, greatest 45 minutes in
action is probably the finale ofHard Boiled.
In my opinion, that's justperfect.
Bang, bang, bang.
If you can keep that pace upfor two and a half hours, you're
(09:41):
golden.
If you stop and have a bunch ofdwarves singing and mocking
Bilbo Baggins, you're golden.
If you stop and have a bunch ofdwarves singing and mocking
Bilbo Baggins, you're going tolose something, but if that adds
to his character, so they'remocking him.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
But then when he becomes the hero, you feel it,
you take that journey with him.
So it's the timing, it's theprecision and it's doing that
for a purpose rather than, oh,I'm just going to bring another
character in so I can make a toy, so I can, you know, lengthen
the movie to make it longer.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
That's when we get Legolas brought into the
franchise early.
And I think the problem withthe Hobbit series, how they say
that, is like we kind of knewBilbo already.
I mean not Martin Freeman.
I mean Martin Freeman isawesome, yeah, probably my
favorite character in LoveActually, but that's a movie
that.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I want to see the mashup of the Hobbit movies and
Love Actually now, but I likethe Hobbit movies.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Oh, no, no, I like them.
I love the Battle of the FiveArmies, especially the extended
cut where you get the R-ratedgore.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
When Bilbo's there looking up at Smaug.
I was in the front row, I wasclose and I was reaching for an
imaginary sword.
I'm an old D&D player.
Back in the day and I felt Iwas like, oh dude, I want to
kill that kid.
You know, what I mean and I likethat Peter Jackson expanded the
universe by using Tolkien'sexpanded universe.
He didn't just make things,maybe a little bit with the
dwarf and the elf love, but youcan kind of go for that.
(11:04):
But I understand why peopledidn't like it.
And yes, it probably could havebeen done in two movies,
probably could have been done inone.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Well, I mean that goes back to Rankin-Bass.
That shows you that it is allabout the narrative, because
nothing happens in a Rankin-Bassmovie, which was actually
Studio Ghibli's beginning.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Right, you're hitting my child on the head, we're
going to throw down.
But people didn't like theReturn of the King from Franken
and Bass.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Well, that was just Sean Lee, I agree.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
But the song when there's a Whip, there's a Way.
I still sing it to this day.
And no, I'm not singing on thispodcast.
You'll have to come to NOLAFilm Scene to hear that.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, we're only Maybe bonus content A couple of
minutes before say uh copyrighttrolls, get on us about that
yeah, I've only been hit acouple of times.
I was back when I was with podbean for my distribution and
they would just instantly put itup on youtube.
Once it was, uh, the your, yournext episode, and I put the
(12:08):
trailer on before I did myreview and then I was able to
talk that one down Like no, thisis their trailer.
Lionsgate got the rights toPerfect Day by Lee Reed.
I was in the challenge to yourGhibli when I reissued a Totoro
episode.
Oh nice, and it was a trailerfor their you know jiggly fest.
(12:29):
But nope, nope got flagged.
Yeah, because they use theirmusic.
They're like music is somethingyou got to be very careful of.
Like you can use about anysoundbite.
I try my best to use about anysound.
Like I'm a not you know.
You said I'm a 90s kid.
Well, you know midwest radio,that's.
So everybody's just like well,I guess it was zoo, I can't
(12:49):
remember the term.
Morning zoo, morning zoo.
Yeah, you just throw a soundbite in whenever you can get a
chance.
It's crazy crazy, crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
But Kevin Smith, I follow him a lot.
Everybody knows that my firstmovie I was in Jay and Silent
Bob reboot and he can play atrailer from one of his movies
and YouTube will pull it down.
Yep, and it's his.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
AI Right, and there's not real people reviewing them.
Technically, a lot of it blindsto the Weinsteins, but Not
anymore oh.
He's got dogma back.
Yeah, I think that was beingheld up just because of the
music.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I thought no, the Weinsteins had it Okay, and so I
think, if you can go to Kevin'spodcast, they made him an offer
and he didn't want to do it,and so that's why it sat.
And then the rights, finally, Ibelieve just reverted back to
Kevin and they probably had topay it, but he's planning on
taking it on tour, like he didfor Reboot, like he did for Yoga
(13:42):
Hosers Red State was the firstone he really did the tours for.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I miss you, Kevin.
We need you on the podcast, myreal closest relationship with
any auteurs with the ThoskaTwins out of Vancouver.
They've done.
They made their name.
This is back with Peoria, soI'm from Central Illinois, that
definite Yankee here again, andthe Drunken Zombie double
(14:08):
feature.
Eventually they did an annualfilm festival and that was one
like I really wanted to see,called dead hooker and a trump.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah and I've heard of it yes, uh, then they're
probably.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
They're probably best known for american mary, a
story of a med student, afterbeing sexually assaulted by her
instructor, decides to go intobody modification using her
surgical skills.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
On herself or on others.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
On others she happens to.
Well.
I mean that's going to bespoilers, but she's got a great
practice dummy.
They did a great sequel to aWWE film, xeno Evil.
Oh yeah, xeno Evil 2, and thatwas With Kane.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Her primary actress in those films were Isabel I
think it's not Isabel Catherine,Isabel, best known for Ginger
and Ginger Snaps.
Talking to a bunch of actorsand the experience of working
your way up.
Not too far removed from mytime in the wrestling business,
you say, oh, working for free,we call it for a hot dog and a
(15:14):
handshake.
If you can get that hot dog,that's fine.
Thinking about the crowd rightnow at this panel, a lot of
buttons handed out.
I do think the promotion isfine.
We're competing against Back tothe Future.
That's not a compliment.
No 40th anniversary panel.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
It's a big Back to the Future weekend here.
Not only do you have Michael JFox and Leah Thompson, the main
people, but they have Goldie,the guy who played the mayor,
the second dad.
His last name's Weissman.
I've just kind of met him onFacebook.
People are like go say hi tohim.
I'm like, okay, I haven't methim yet, but all right, I'll go
say hi to him.
I'm not disappointed that wedidn't get anybody.
It'd be nice For TJ and I.
(15:54):
This is our first.
We're thrilled yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
We're talking to TJ's lovely wife here.
Cool to the smallest crowd I'veperformed in wrestling-wise.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I haven't done any stand-up comedy yet, but in
improv there's one person there,even none.
You do it.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yes, you know what I mean and she's being a great
audience member.
I like the one show I did infront of one person
wrestling-wise.
This guy was what we call atotal mark.
He's like trying to commentate,plot the moves out.
Time it right time, it righttime, it right there you go.
It's like weird warehouse showsis the only voice you can hear.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Hey, weird warehouse shows is what put ECW on the map
?
There's nothing wrong with aweird warehouse show.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
No, no, that's probably one of my best
wrestling experiences.
Was the first time ECW came toPeoria.
They didn't do the arena, lipBiscuit was doing the arena that
night.
And they just did what theycall the assembly hall.
Just the ball, everybody's ontop of each other.
And then like, oh, we weren'tquite prepared for Axel Rotten
(17:00):
to be thrown.
No, I think it's Tony.
What are the ball needs to bethrown out right behind us where
we're sitting.
3d, up close and personal wherewe're sitting 3D up close and
personal.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Since we're on wrestling, what's your finishing
move?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
My primary finishing move was called School Days.
My gimmick was the student ofthe game, which is a lot, to be
honest, a little too muchthought for wrestling fans,
unfortunately.
Oh, you're a Triple Eight fan,oh no, I hated Hunter then Can't
say I'm a big fan now.
I appreciate that I watch AEWand I appreciate that he but I
(17:34):
do appreciate Hunter's mind isalways on the wrestling bit.
Anything he sees he tries tokill and put forth into the,
into it Like.
And that's kind of the movie Iended up watching last night.
Because Legion, you can't getwith the ad program on Netflix,
like there's licensing issues,oh how, why?
(17:55):
Well, I don't understand whythe ads make a difference.
So I watched this movie calledthe hollow rising with Mads
Mikkelsen it directed by the guywho did drive and like the
first 15 minutes are awesome andthen it just falls off a cliff.
In my opinion you get some like, basically some of the gore
effects I really want toincorporate in the movie I wrote
(18:17):
once I got into no budgetcinema Because I was trying to
like, after my wrestling sloweddown, I was trying to write well
originally I had a friend whosaid, oh, we could do a comic
book about all your experienceson the road.
And then that kind a lot ofdrama there, a literal falling
out, and I said, well, I stillgot these stories, so let's try
(18:37):
to make it into some screenplay.
So they're deep indie, you know.
Yeah, feelers, while I stilltry to do kevin smith and
carantino style comedy.
And then I thought like, well,no, just got to get a movie made
, all right, we'll do theno-budget route.
And then I figured I'd have allmy friends from the wrestling
scene, but it's Main Event ofthe Dead, pro-wrestling zombie
(18:57):
comedy.
So you finished it.
No, the screenplay, yeah.
I wrote that.
But no, I haven't been able toget anything.
Get the support behind it, Icouldn't.
We might be able to help.
We know some people, all right,yeah.
So I still got to do a rerunand script.
It was basically like I want toown this real fast.
Wrote the sentence off theWashington Library of Congress,
(19:19):
so I have the copyright on it.
I think I may have beat prowrestling versus zombies versus
pro wrestlers.
I have a copy of that.
I think I may have beaten himby a couple months With Hacksaw
Jim Duggan.
I know Shane Douglas, roddyPiper, one of the Hardy bro-ists
.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I believe Duggan's in it too, because at WrestleMania
30, they did the Mid-Southconvention.
I'm a Mid-South boy from wayback in the day and I have a 2x4
signed by Hacksaw Jim Duggan.
He was in it because he becomesa zombie and Piper has to deal
with it.
So that was.
I don't want to say it wastrash, it wasn't good, but I
(19:55):
enjoyed all of it, but it's forme.
So when we say, like you weretalking about the I already
forgot what movie and it was 15Minutes, mads Mikkelsen and then
it was trash and I'm not sayingyou're wrong because I haven't
seen it and I don't care if Ihad, because that's your opinion
.
But I watched the internet andI listened to people's reactions
.
I didn't like this because it'sgarbage.
(20:18):
So it's all or nothing withthem.
They don't let the story tellthem something which is
everybody's opinion, that's fine, or they don't even give it a
chance.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, no, I made it through it and I really wanted
to like it more.
I got you.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Here's my question.
I'll phrase it this way whenWonder Woman 1984 came out, okay
, I liked it.
I didn't love it.
I loved the first one, that wasgreat.
I liked Justice League I didtoo, and I loved the extended
version even better.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I really loved Batman v Superman, the extended
version.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I liked it.
I didn't love it and Black Adamwas trash.
So we'll stop there with those.
But I have a friend who writesWonder Woman fan fiction and so
his review of Wonder Woman 1984is I would not have written Max
Lord like that.
That's fine, but you can'texpect them to do what you want
to do.
You have to let the story takeyou.
(21:17):
You don't have to like it, butyou see what I mean.
People close off too soon andit's got to be great or nothing.
It's trash.
It's pretty good, it's okay.
You know what I mean.
We're so hyperbolic on theinternet.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I mean well, jesse Eisenberg's Luther.
I thought no, that's theappropriate tech, bro.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
That's what Luther would be today.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, man of Steel.
Yeah, the man of Steel Superman, when his dad didn't let him
save him.
Think about the farmers whenSuperman first came out in 1938.
They probably trusted thegovernment a lot more.
So when that movie comes out,think about how not only people
but then the farmers who havebeen screwed over by the banks
(21:59):
and government, or just havethat feeling because I don't
have the facts for that.
It makes sense for now.
You know what I mean, so it hasto change a little bit with the
times now you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
So it has to change a little bit with the times well
I brought this thing to a close.
You know it's, that's fine.
It's more like oh, you know, Iusually like I had a lot of fun
at Twin Cities time because, ohpeople, would you know, crowd
started building, yeah, and thenlike I'll throw now out the
buttons, yeah, yeah and then youstarve yes, exactly that'd be
(22:36):
awesome.
Yeah, yep, it's great having youguys on on to this panel,
because every time is a learningexperience for me and, honestly
, I think we're going prettysmooth right now this is a good
podcast and a great place torecord it.
Maybe a little echoey, yeah kindof reminds me of the Predator
(23:00):
joke I think it was Shane Blackgot to do oh from the Predator.
He goes to the Native Americanand said you know, he keeps
trying to get this character tocrack.
That's where the Predatoreventually gets his laugh at the
end of the movie and he like hedid that laugh.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, I don't think his name's Shane Black, but yeah
, totally understand.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Well, Shane Black was one of the characters in there.
Yeah, no, he did.
He like, he like.
Oh, can you punch up the strip?
No, I'm here to just get paid.
Gotcha, get paid.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Gotcha.
Yeah, folks put it in thecomments when we post this.
Tell us who the character was,tell us if we were wrong or
right.
Put it on social media.
Engage us, follow us, share us.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Oh well, with that said, I got something out of the
bag to grab.
Excuse me while I whip this out.
Just to get the word out on thepodcast, I went and got some
bumper stickers for both shows.
I mean, it's pretty simplistic.
Just figuring out freeform onApple.
(24:04):
Now I realize how I should havedone Fan Expo, but my attempt
to make a little video cassetteit's awesome looking.
Do you guys want to talk?
This is a platform for you justas much as I.
Anything you want to talk aboutfrom NOLA film scene, let's
turn it on you.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Okay, how long have you been podcasting?
Starting the fifth year?
Fifth, wow, yeah, that'sawesome.
We've been doing a little overa year, maybe getting close to a
year and a half.
What has been the biggestrevelation for you?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
You.
You came in with an idea,realized that was wrong and this
is how it is.
Well, I really so.
Initially I was like oh, let'sdo themes.
My first episode I recordedwith my recent ex.
At the time we're still on verygood terms.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
She drove me to the train station I don't know what
her husband thinks, but shedrove you to a place that is
going to get you out of town.
Might not be as close as youthink.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Well so and we decided to just go with anime to
start.
So because I showed her a lotof stuff.
And then, I think the next weekI talked to my older sister,
the poetic critic, on Letterboxd.
It was all about Jeff Goldblumthat time I was.
They can put in a cap at 97minutes.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
But it's very difficult to get guests on the
show if they gotta go and do alot of homework.
I've had a guest who's a realsport.
He's on the comic scene inCentral Illinois.
Andrew Teedy Couchman Bakes.
His TikTok series is BakingWhile Baked, while he makes
stuff, while he bakes stuff withsugar and spice while he's a
(25:40):
little different and feelingnice.
He wanted to do stuff likeTombstone and I had to think
well, how can we get to that?
That's a good two-hour movie.
I can't, and like well, we can,do a marathon of Sam Elliott
movies.
He was fun with that.
We also did that for the Thingas well, which is just a few
minutes too long, even for 100minutes, but then it's like his
(26:02):
wife was getting on him about.
Oh so how long is this onegoing to be?
Another four hour affair.
So brevity, and I guess that'syour theme.
Search led you to the focus ofbrevity.
Yes, yep, you want to be in andout.
I, which led you to the focusof Brevin.
Yes, yep, you want to be in andout.
I get a lot, probably a lotmore plays when I don't have a
guest.
I'm like, all right, I'm justgoing to talk about this movie
for a bit.
Kind of makes me a little sadas a writer, primarily Like, oh,
(26:28):
nobody's going to take the timeto.
But I understand now like, ohwell, this is something you
could play in the background andagain, I just a lot of time,
like when I hear people talkabout it.
My friends talk about thepodcast they listen to.
It's basically, yeah, they'relooking for the shorter episodes
, Right, right.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
And we were advised that, by doing research, keep it
about a half an hour.
But when it's good, it's good,like we just dropped a 45 minute
episode with Miss Ooh La La,our cosplay friend, who will be
here tomorrow at Fan Expo, butnot on this recording.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Okay, I was about to say listen to the episodes.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
All right, I can't say I won't be there.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
She will be.
We had a few that were longerthan an hour and it just gets so
burdensome to edit that muchand we were dropping episodes
every week.
So a friend of mine had beenpodcasting for a while but he
does it more to promote hismarketing business and he said
(27:24):
nah, 30, 35 minutes is the max.
People start their attentionspans start dropping off after
that.
So we started trying to cut itdown a little bit and I think
we've gotten pretty good contentsince we started doing that.
We narrow the focus a littlebit, but sometimes it's
difficult because you get into agood conversation.
(27:44):
We've had a few guests thatwe've.
we've chased some rabbits and ityeah that ends up going a
little bit longer.
There's been a couple thatwe've just split into two, made
it a multi-part episode.
Yeah, that kind of relieves theburden to get the content
churned out.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I've done that a few times and I think the only
problem with that is well, theytalked about it last week is a
response I get when I'm like, oh, part two, oh, but I do kind of
make it a rule now, part two,oh, but I do kind of make it a
rule.
Now, I try to put the movie onat the same time in my
peripheral.
So I have an idea like, okay,we got to keep it.
(28:25):
I'm saying no longer anundervent, we better go and keep
it.
That way We'll follow all theguide.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Plus it can be a prompt of oh yeah, I remember
that scene, yeah that does work,worked a lot with the Princess
Bride episode.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I like it'd be a prompt of oh yeah, I remember
that scene.
Yeah, that does work.
Worked a lot with the PrincessBride episode.
I mean, that's a movie I canquote back and forth.
How long is that?
Only about an hour 36.
Not that long a movie.
It's really bang bang.
Rob Reiner he kept it prettyconcise until I'd say A Few Good
Men and then, oh, I got Oscarbuzz.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah, but Few Good Men Jaws the Thing.
Some of the other ones youmentioned Tombstone, no, no, no,
no, that does not need to be 90minutes.
Those are as close toperfection as you can get.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, jaws works, and that's funny because at Twin
Cities Con it's a generationthing as you keep bringing it up
when you promote your podcast.
Have you seen the Bill and Tedmovies?
I don't know.
I don't know with kids today.
How is that a generation thing?
It's parents.
That's the problem.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, when I hand out the podcast cards to advertise,
debbie Derryberry, who voicedJimmy Neutron, has been on and a
lot of people because that wasthe early 2000s, the younger
people know that on.
And a lot of people becausethat was the early 2000s.
The younger people know thatwe're starting to get away from
that because they're stillgetting younger.
And I was in Bill and Ted haveI mentioned I was Death's photo
double TJ Not yet.
Okay, I want to keep itconsistent.
But Bill Sadler's been on andthat's how I find out people's
(29:48):
age and their interests.
And so when you were behind mebecause I was handing out cards
all through the con today,annoying the hell out of people,
but you know some people likedit.
But but I was saying, do youknow the bill and ted movies?
And that's what you're saying.
You're behind me going what doyou?
What do you mean?
How do you not know the billand ted?
And you find out very quicklythat some people like I don't
know who keanu reeves is.
Oh, but anyway, back to whatyou were saying.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
okay, well, well, speaking of kids, when I did the
twin cities, a kid did go andsay what are they waiting for?
Why don't they just get on theboat and go kill the frickin
shark?
So no, no, tension spans today.
Yeah, a Tombstone really issuch a beautiful disaster,
because it was.
People keep arguing who was thedirector.
Was it Joris Cosmatos, or wasit really Kurt Russell?
(30:35):
It was just everything.
Everything was going wrong.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
But behind the scenes or was it really Kurt Russell?
It was just everything.
Everything was going wrong, butBehind the scenes, what was
recorded and edited was great,Like Jaws.
How the shark didn't work.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Which made them have to make a suspense movie instead
of a horror movie, and itworked better.
And then we were talking withMC Popsicle Popsicle, earlier,
Josh Young shout out.
We were just saying, hey, no, Ido forgive sequels Like, oh, if
you do an awesome movie, I'mgoing to give you an extra 15
minutes.
And I brought up John Wick asthe example and you know, oh,
(31:07):
John Wick 2 was awesome, I'llgive you an extra 30 minutes.
And then John Wick 4, oh, yeah,no, no, I'm totally happy with
two hours 45 minutes.
And again that comes back tothe editing and the pacing, Like
just bang, bang.
You know, that's the onlyproblem I have with a lot of
James Bond movies, and that iswe don't really have the time to
slow down just so you can shaganother woman.
(31:27):
I mean, these are PG movies allthe way up until License to
Kill.
We're not going to get thatmuch out of your shag and we're
going to leave that one lyingwhere it is.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I'll keep it PG, yeah yeah, shag, baby.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah, it's also interesting when you come to say
adapting a novel.
I do not expect any adaptationof War and Peace to follow the.
I learned it from listening tothe Terminator 2, no, the Aliens
commentary with James Cameron.
He was saying, well, I gotAliens, but at the same time I
got the go to write the scriptfor First Blood, part 2, rambo.
(32:01):
And you know, he just askedsomebody I don't know if it was
Stallone oh, you just gottawrite 100.
Just focus on 120 pages, onepage a minute.
So adapting something can be atotally different affair because
you know how much material youhave.
That's why I'm not.
I don't hate on the lord of therings right and hobbit
(32:22):
trilogies.
Now I could probably go.
Maybe now it's a generationalthing for me, like hunger games.
Come on, battle royale did itin one movie, the entire thing
in one movie, which I'm veryfairly certain was the
inspiration for the hunger gamesI got you.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I did not know that I'm not familiar with that movie
like tarantino's.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
I think it was like tarantino's favorite movie for a
while oh yeah it's a bigjapanese movie it's about.
It's about two, maybe evenlonger, but you got the.
Uh, this is the first realparent of the actress who played
gogo from kill bill.
But it's basically yeah, we'rejust gonna choose a random
junior high class to then onesurvivor.
(33:01):
Yeah, so that's the big reasonwhy I never made it.
The states for a good 10 yearsis like we're having teenagers
beat.
Katana was the antagonist.
Essentially the one guyoverseeing everything.
You might know him best is theKenny Blankenship on.
No, he was Vic Romero on MXCMost Extreme Elimination
(33:23):
Challenge back on Spike TV.
Oh, so that's the guy whoplayed the straight man on.
That is pretty much theantagonist.
He's done a lot of great movies, like a remake of Satu Ichi the
Blind Swordsman and that's, butsaying all, all that it kind of
is a a cultural thing as well.
Uh, when it comes to run times,I love takashi miike movies.
(33:47):
Uh, audition ichi the killeryeah but then he's done
adaptations of manga like Bladeof the Immortal, and no, he does
the entire.
First.
We could have definitely cutout a few of these.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Well, you're talking about cut out, and that made me
think.
Do you like Stephen King?
Didn't really read him growingup.
Okay, he's got a series calledthe Dark Tower, which is his
Lord of the Rings.
Love the books, the audio books.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I listen to them while I clean, so then they
tried to make it into a movieseven books, seven books into
one movie.
I thought they were.
I see I didn't see the movie, Ididn't know.
They tried doing it.
I thought it was going to bethe franchise.
That's what it should have been, and it just.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Elba is great.
I know the character.
There was a color change thatdidn't bug me at all, but he's a
cowboy knight from the futureand never wore a cowboy hat.
So not only the gripe of tryingto cut it too much, to miss the
basics of it, you know what Imean.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I think it may have confused audiences that Matthew
McConaughey wasn't the guy whowas going to be wearing the hat.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Let him be confused, and then you can explain it to
him and bring it to him.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
That was a pretty good comment.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Thank you, it was All right.
All right, all right, I had to.
I think we're getting close tothe time, gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I'll go through my formalities.
I always thank my late bestfriend Sasha Marie Harden for
being an inspiration to me andkeeping me out of too much
trouble and I hope she's doingthe same for everybody else she
touched in her life and I hopeshe's squeezing the ectoplasm
out of my fuzzy little buddy.
Skimble Shanks, the one-earedangel.
And I've got to thank myPatreon subscribers.
(35:29):
Tim Bates he's been on theepisode about the 1989 movie
Arena.
Charles Band produced film andNight of the Demons Radiates.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
My friend.
I'd always have this guy AAW,Chicago wrestling interviewer,
the Scoops Daily.
If you know me well enough, youknow who that is.
Basically, it's a moneyfunneling thing for me, so you
can follow me on.
All my socials are atCatBusRuss, we're talking Blue
Sky, Instagram and Threz.
(35:59):
I've been banned from Twitter.
Probably trying to push mypodcast during the RNC was not
well taken.
So Musk Hates Movies is ahandle I'm thinking about trying
to get back on me to use.
Where can they find you on theinternet?
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Mine are all TJ Sebastian Official or TJ
Sebastian.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
How.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Instagram, Facebook and then, of course, Noah Film
Scene on Instagram and Facebook.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
All right.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
And I'm Brian Plato P-L-A-I-D-E-A-U.
It's French, Sounds like theclay, but isn't Find me there on
Facebook.
I'm sure if you search that onthe others you can find it there
.
And then I'm Kodaks by Kojak onInstagram, Because you can't
see me through this audio.
I'm bald, even though I have abeard.
Someone gave me the nickname ofKojak, like Tally Savalas and
(36:50):
Kodak Pictures.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Kodaks by Kojak, as I always like to close out with a
soundbite from David Tennantfrom Good Almonds, can I have a
wahoo Wahoo?
Thanks guys.
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