August 13, 2025 • 37 mins
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What happens when a 21-year Coast Guard veteran trades military service for movie magic? Kevin Cheatham takes us behind the scenes of his remarkable journey from aviation mechanic to Hollywood stunt performer, actor and filmmaker in this fascinating conversation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My name is Kevin Sheetum.
I'm a 21-year Coast Guardveteran.
I am an actor, stunt performer,writer, director,
cinematographer, and I'm sohappy to be here on NOLA Film
Scene.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to NOLA.
Film Scene with TJ Plato.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I'm TJ.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And, as always, I'm Plato.
Yeah, cool, you made him laugh,tj yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
All right, so welcome Kevin.
Kevin is my friend.
We are both Coast Guardveterans.
I served just over 20 years, heserved just 21 years.
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Bob Krieger on a few weeks ago and he was a Navy
veteran.
I did a deployment to theMiddle East with a joint unit
that was Navy and Coast Guardand he was in a similar unit to
the type of Coast Guard unit Iwas in on the same Navy base at
the same time that I was in thatCoast Guard unit.
We just didn't really crosspaths.
He was in a similar type unit,so that was kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Sorry I digressed.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Anyway, kevin, welcome, we're glad to have you
on.
Thank you, happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I was fine with y'all digressing a little bit.
It's great to hear those kindsof stories, so many, so many
stories.
What we are having, folks, is athirst trap reunion.
Most people won't even knowthat we all did a short film
called Thirst Trap aboutvampires, which was my second
short film about vampires andthe first one was also called
Thirst Trap, but that's a wholenother story.
But, kevin, they asked me toreach out for people and Kevin
(01:35):
answered the call and I can'tthank you enough for that, buddy
.
Oh, thank you for reaching out.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I was surprised when he messaged me.
He was like I.
He was like I don't know.
There's been a while that Ihave like talked to you and I
saw you and he's like you knowwhat I'm going to do it and
there's no reason, I have noreason to not do it.
So, like you know what I'll doit, yeah, I'm class and, like
you know, from tax in America.
Knowing you was like you knowwhat, I can trust that you know
whatever was kind of the samefor me.
He reached out same thing.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
And when I got there I was still really new in the
industry I think I had only donemaybe two credited things up to
that point and hearing ally'all talk about stuff on set
and things about the business, Iwas just kind of impressed and
I had a really good time hangingout with y'all that night and
honestly, it was a really quickshoot.
(02:28):
I don't remember us being onset for a really long time.
It felt like they kind of hadtheir stuff together and they
were moving right along.
We were holding for I don'tknow a little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
We were like four hours getting our party supplies
together gym vests, moldingballoons.
We were a bachelor party on avampire tour.
Yeah, With real vampires maybe,I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yep, yeah, I remember that, yep.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
But back to Kevin.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Back to Kevin.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
When did you get started into this industry?
What inspired?
You?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I would say I started in the industry officially in
2018, when I was probably likemy last year in the Coast Guard
and I was trying to figure outwhat's life's going to be like
when I get out.
But what drove me to it wasNCIS New Orleans, because I was
stationed on the Navy base herein New Orleans, the NASJRB in
Belchase, so I was an aviationmechanic, but they went to the
base and they were doing a scenethere that needed a bunch of
service members to just you know, just as background for stuff.
(03:20):
I was in my last year and theyactually came to my base.
I think I was like the chiefwarrant officer at the time and
he was like hey, there's someguys from some show that want
some people to just stand there,you know, so I don't know what
it's about.
It's like what is it for?
He's like I don't know SomeNCIS type of show or something
like that.
Oh, it's like I'll go, I'll doit, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I'll do it.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Is this the life?
Is this what it's about?
That kind of put me intowanting to do more into the
industry.
But what drew me more isbecause, when I was younger, my
dad was a movie buff.
He just loved all types ofmovies, so I was there, I
watched it.
He would get every VHS tape youcould find of every movie that
came out at the time.
He'd have it to the point wherehe'd have a whole wall all the
(04:05):
AHS tapes that, like, ourfriends would come over and
borrow from him, versusborrowing from, like, the actual
movie stores and stuff likethat.
So, like he had laser discs.
He had all this stuff.
Like he exposed me to the filmindustry when I was a kid, but
not realizing it.
So now I was like, oh, a chanceto do that.
After doing all this work youknow Coast Guard, stuff like
that I want to do somethingdifferent.
And that's where it started mein 2018 background.
And then, from that point on,it's kind of like I kind of
(04:28):
pushed myself to learn moreabout the industry because at a
certain point as background, Iwas like you know what?
I kind of want to do more thanjust background, and it's like,
okay, let me start gettingclasses, start doing standing
work, and then so I pushedmyself in that area to try and
like, okay, I want to keeppushing myself.
Until I saw stunts happen onthe show and I was like I was
doing back, I was doing standingfor sacrifice, season-long
(04:51):
standing, and I did a couplestunts and I was like I want to
do that, you know, kind of like,for I did in the beginning.
It's like.
So I talked to some person atthe time.
It's like, hey, I want to dothis.
I got military background, I'vedone with, I've done stuff like
that.
I have no martial arts, but Iwas like I can do the basics.
So then he told me about okay,first off, cool, thanks for
walking up to me, not likebreaking my concentration.
(05:12):
So like all right.
So I waited.
And two, okay, what's yourtraining?
That's like stunt related, likespecific.
He at the time it was allpersonal training.
It's like all right.
So I got that information.
He talked to his stuntcoordinator and later on in the
show the stunt coordinator cameup to me.
He was like, hey, I heard youwanted to try some stunts out.
It's like, yeah, absolutely allright.
(05:33):
Cool, I'll keep that in mind.
And then I'll say, like a thirdaway into the show, into the
season, he actually pulled meout of a stand-in and put me
into a stunt scene.
It was fun.
It was like pretty much in mywheelhouse.
It was like weapons related.
It was just we just had alittle shootout in a bus.
I like one.
I was called bobby's roadie inthat scene, but I was like I had
a shootout and doing all theguns, stuff like that.
And then that's where I gothooked on stunts.
(05:53):
Once I did that, I started doingmore stunts and training and
then I got to the filmmakingpart where I guess, basically
when the strike happened andpretty much everything was just
done.
So I was like, all right, wesat there.
I sat there.
I was like, what else can I doin this industry?
You know, I'm still doingclasses through acting classes,
I'm still training for stuntsand still, with that work put in
, there's nothing coming aboutit.
(06:13):
So like, all right, let mefigure out filmmaking.
I want to get into filmmaking,see what I can do, because I
want to make stuff too.
So that kind of put me intothat aspect of like all right if
I, if I can't be in films, Iwant to be able to create films
so I can bring people in and wecan make our own stuff, type of
mindset.
And that's why I joined FullSail and that's where I'm at
right now.
When it comes to filmmaking,I've done two short films and a
(06:35):
mini documentary and I still gotto do another short film and, I
guess, a commercial I got to dofor assignment reasons.
I guess a commercial I got todo for assignment reasons, but
I'm almost done.
I'll graduate in April of nextyear, so I'll have all those in
my resume.
So that's kind of been myjourney, like a you know a broad
stroke of my journey.
But yeah, that's where I'm at,that's where I sit today, very
cool.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Oh, that's cool no-transcript.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
all of us, if we're making or if we're in it to
treat everybody the same, Ialmost got into background in a
similar fashion back in.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Oh, I guess it was 2005.
Might be off, it might've been04.
I think it was after Katrina,when they were filming Deja Vu
in New Orleans Post-Katrina andthere was a big scene where one
of the riverboats was blown upand it had a bunch of service
members on it and after theexplosion the Coast Guard was in
the air and on the water andthey got real Coast Guard
(07:44):
members to fill in in thoseroles.
But they also solicited peoplefrom my unit to be attack team
doing either an entry or anapproach or something, and they
put out a notice within the unitto see who was interested.
Came that close to doing it,but I had some kind of conflict
with when they needed it.
I wasn't able to make it.
That would have been my firstforay.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I wasn't able to make it.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah, that would have been my first foray, it just
didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Oh yeah, my thought was like I was actually just
about to watch that movie again,like I know what you're talking
about.
It was like literally on myscreen, like all right, I just
got to press play when I sitdown.
That was a crazy thing that youbrought up.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Nice.
Yeah, I really like the movie.
The way they shot it, the waythey filmed.
It was just incredible and goodcast of people.
I watch it at least once a year, so you have deja vu by seeing
it every year?
Yeah, that's right, let mecircle back for just a minute to
the film school that you're in.
(08:40):
Tell us a little bit more aboutthat.
Where is that?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Oh, so I'm doing Full Sail University.
It's an online class, so, okay,at the time when I decided to
do film school, I was trying tothink about I want to go
somewhere local because I wantedto build a local community
through school.
So you know two lanes, stufflike that.
But whenever I did the uh shortfilm, student films when I'll
be gonna sit with them, when Igot the different characters,
(09:02):
I'll ask them questions whileI'm on set, like so how's the uh
equipment and availability,how's your crew availability?
And it's like well, more timesthan not, we're fighting for
equipment because the lastperson has rented it out for
their project and, of course,every project runs later than
it's supposed to and then itpushes our project back.
So it's always a struggle inthe battle.
That's, kind of was my lastfinal decision to go with Full
(09:25):
Sail, because everything I haveis in my tuition.
So my camera, my lighting, mysound, everything I have I can
shoot by myself is in my tuition.
They send to me.
So I have everything I need toshoot anything I want whenever I
feel like it.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
So it's and you get to keep it at the end.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, it's all mine, yeah, it's all mine.
So, like what I also use well,coast Guard are a part of it.
I use my GI Bill to pay forschool.
So basically all this is comingto be just because of my time
and service.
It's not out of pocket unless Igo to Masters, which I think
about doing, but I'm not sureyet.
I got to finish this first.
But Full Sail is.
(10:05):
I'm doing a bachelor's programof visual cinematography is a
program I'm in and that'sstrictly based on filmmaking.
You know, composition, lighting, stuff like that.
And April next year is when Igraduate and I'll be done.
I can make any film I want bymyself.
So but right now, every threemonths they have me do a
different project.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Did you have an undergraduate degree before this
?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I did.
I already had a bachelor's inIT management.
I got that at a differentschool, american Military
University.
Yeah, I've heard of it.
Yeah, so I have that.
I already had a bachelor's.
So when I applied for abachelor's in here, some of the
credits transferred, but not allof it, no-transcript.
(10:54):
Just recently I just did aphysical science class.
I joke about it's kind of like afast and furious type of rules
like, okay, so fast and furious,push this theory to the limit.
So what?
This?
The equation that the limit isat, and Fast and Furious broke
it in this way.
So like, oh, cars in space.
I don't know what that camefrom, but like they knew, I knew
the theory of what the limitwas, I'm like, all right, we're
just going to break it anyway.
(11:14):
Like, you know what, we'regoing to do it on purpose.
We know this acceleration andgravity and stuff.
All right, now we're going tofilm magic.
It's like, oh, we're going tofly in space now.
So, okay, all right, yeah,there's math to this.
So I get it.
But it's been interesting.
I've learned a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I'm learning green screen right now.
I'm just wondering what theequation is for suspension of
disbelief.
I like the Fast and Furiousmovies, but you definitely have
to suspend some disbelief whenyou watch those.
I think it's yeah that's whereit happens.
(11:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, it's a dance.
It's definitely a dance of mathand words.
I mean, it's not believable.
What is the most believable waywe can depict this?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
at American Military University when we were
deploying.
I had an undergraduate degreeat that point and I had started
a master's.
And this was really when Istarted that first master's.
It was before online schoolinghad really started and, thanks
to Katrina and moving and someother things, I just wasn't able
to finish it because theydidn't have a remote option.
Years later I went back toschool at Liberty University and
finished, started over fromscratch a new master's and I did
(12:35):
cybersecurity.
So there was a lot of IT stuffin that and thankfully I had GI
Bill left and it took care ofsome of that and the rest I just
paid monthly.
It worked out pretty good Withyour undergrad credits
transferring out pretty goodwith your undergrad credits
(12:56):
transferring.
How long is the program for youfrom start to finish?
Is it two years or longer thanthat?
It's about two years and theygive you really good how to's on
how to do all that stuff.
Yeah, I dp'd for the first timeon this seven and seven.
We just did and we used a blackmagic six K and just made some
mistakes and one of the scenesis unwatchable because of the.
(13:17):
We thought we had it lit wellenough, but it just it didn't
turn out right and I've beenthinking since we talked when
you first told me you were infilm school.
I've been kind of toilingaround that idea.
I'm like I miss being in schooland I try to find things to do
in online courses and stuff toimprove along the way.
I've been thinking more andmore about that.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Oh yeah, I've learned a lot just from school.
So the school is business based.
So we're going to teach you thebasics of filmmaking but also
there's a business side to thisand you need to build that as
well as you're going throughschool to learn stuff.
So they push you to make aportfolio.
So everything I do is alltowards a portfolio that I'll
have at the end to show whoeverI want to show at that point.
(13:58):
So they give you a website totry and build and stuff like
that through Adobe CreativeCloud.
They use other programs in thatto try and build your
programming.
So they go through every step ofevery filmmaking process, every
single time my first short filmI wrote it had to write it,
then I had to direct it, then Ihad to do a lighting setup, then
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I had to do a shot list.
I had to do all that stuff.
I had to do location.
I had to do casting.
I had to do all the stuff tobuild it and then make it.
And then the part the schoolwas teaching me Now your camera
(14:39):
settings, you know your F stops,you know when it comes to
shutter speeds, when it comes to, like, your apertures.
The school teaches you that, andthen they make you a triangle.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all that.
And then, once you do it, it'slike all right, now, show us
what we taught you.
But then also I'm saying, oh,you got to take care of the
business side, to just business,to this as well.
Putting together gives aproduct and then we'll grade you
on that.
And then that's pretty much howit goes.
(15:01):
Every month we learn somethingdifferent, and then new project,
you learn new stuff, go do itagain and just keep doing it
until it's over.
It's been a good experience.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
As part of the business process?
Do they teach you how to raisefunds?
You know to pay for stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
They haven't yet.
That's why I want to do themaster's program, because that's
more of a businessentertainment and I know later
on they'll teach more about likebookkeeping and stuff like that
and fundraising.
That is a class that they dohave for it, but I don't know
how in depth they go into it.
Have for it, but I don't knowhow in depth they go into it.
But I know for the masters, forthe entertainment business,
they go more in fundraising andlike pitch decks and stuff like
(15:36):
that and trying to sell productstype of thing.
This program is more about theperformance part of filmmaking
where the people with the actualwork part where it's like okay,
we get on set, we need a gripthrough the key grip and gaffers
, you know all the lighting andwe're doing like the camera work
, dp, all that stuff.
This program is meant for that,just to do the work and sell
yourself.
That's kind of like in there aswell.
(15:58):
But you create a solid productfirst and then we'll teach you
how to sell yourself afterwards.
It's kind of like how theyapproach.
It Makes sense.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Are you able to act in any of the projects you do or
you have too much behind thescenes stuff to do that?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I have a lot of behind the scenes stuff.
But if once I get my team setup then I can act in front if I
want to.
But because I'm SAG I can't doanything at the current moment
because everything I do isnon-union.
But once I start working ongetting understanding of the SAG
contract stuff like that, thenI can act if I want to.
But right at this momentthere's so much behind the
scenes that I got to figure outand just try and keep straight
(16:33):
line, try and get from deadlinefrom like point A to point B,
like, ok, call times at eight.
We got to be out here by noon.
Ok, we got to get this.
Boom, boom, boom, boom.
So yeah, I pretty much staybehind the camera whenever I'm
shooting, maybe later on theline and maybe I'll start doing
more in front once I getcomfortable.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
But right now it's kind of like no, that was part
of the challenge with this one.
We just did.
It was hard, especially if itwas with Matt Carroll, If both
he and I were on camera.
Then we had to figure out whowas going to run it.
Jeff Roberts helped us some andmy wife did a lot of it as well
.
So you know, I think you can doa SAG micro contract and from
(17:14):
what I understand, it's only afew pages of paperwork that gets
sent off to SAG to get itapproved, because I've done a
few student films that they'vedone that because they had
people that were SAG that theycouldn't do it unless it was.
But it sounded like it's apretty easy process once you do
get to that point.
I could be wrong, but that's myunderstanding.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
No, you're correct.
You're correct Because twomeetings ago they had the
producers portal.
They have, like sag has startedhex created, whereas there is
like a micro budget, whereaslike deferred payments and stuff
like that that you can put inthat is covered by sag checks
all the boxes for a sagperformer to do.
Yeah, I want to do that, butI'm not to that point yet
because I'm still getting theyou know, the filmmaking part in
(17:50):
my mind.
For don't want to put myself ina position where I'm at a
detriment to the actual wholeset because I'm the one with the
least amount of experience.
I'm like, oh, let me make sureI'm solid first before I take
that next step.
So, like I want to challengemyself for that step, but I want
to make sure I'm solid firstbefore I get there.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, that's a great, great attitude to have.
What kind of camera do?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
they hook you up with for this.
Oh, it's a sony fx6.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I see it now.
It's kind of like in thebackground, but yeah, it's sony
fx6.
It's a 4k camera, but it's likea cinema line, it's cinema
grade.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
That's what they give us I'm eyeing an fx3 and I want
one.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
So bad I can taste it , oh yeah, do you and the camera
want to be alone?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
tj holy just just Just not ready to quite pull the
trigger on that price tag Ilove you so much, tim.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, that's how I feel about SAG roles.
It's so bad.
Just get me in the door.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Kevin, that's great, but you've also just had a
recent experience on a verymajor film.
Could you tell us about that?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah, yeah.
So, like I said, on my journeystarted with background and then
I said, oh, I want to do thatwhen I saw stunts being done.
So what I ended up doing?
Got in contact with them.
They let me do a scene for youknow, sacrifice, which helped me
because the stunt coordinatorfor that part had a partner, and
that partner was Tim Bell andTim Bell is stunt too here in
(19:12):
New Orleans, and he and AndyGill was the stunt team, or
stunt coordinators, for the filmSinners.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Boom.
So there we go, sinners.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
So what happened was that he actually from Sacrifice,
I would say, every three months, doing the actor mindset was
like you know what, let me checkin with you.
Say, hey, I'm doing all right,how you doing, you know know,
general checking in is like, hey, anything going on, do you need
people?
Or anything like that, kind oflike that.
But like no, nothing right now.
But then he called me when theproduction for centers came up
and he's like, hey, what's yourschedule look like for two weeks
(19:43):
?
It's like pretty clear actually.
He's like what do you mean?
What do you need?
He's like all right, so wegotta do some uh, previs or for
stunts is pre-visualization,whereas basically you come in
for a couple weeks, we make upfight scenes or make up whatever
fight scene that the directorwants basically it's just an
audition and we give them to himand he picks through all of
them like you know what I like,this fight, I like this fight
and this fight.
So I did that for two weeks andI am so sore and so bruised and
(20:09):
so battered but itwas the most fun.
I had a long time because I wasactually on set doing something
that I love doing, so like itdidn't even matter, like I'll
come home and like.
It was like what happened toyou?
Like my whole forearm wasbruised from like, from my wrist
to my elbow, just one big giantbruise in my back.
It was a mess, but whathappened was that in the end,
ryan coogler actually liked thescene that I set up when I was
(20:31):
in the fight scene, because itincluded Haley Steinfeld,
because she was the one whokills me.
So when we set it up, she camein and she was timid.
She was very professional, butshe was like ah, I don't know,
it's like this is a weird stateto be in because it's not used
to doing something like that,not comfortable with it.
Initially the scene was kind oflike how you see in the movie.
But they rush into the jukejoint.
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She jumps on me like I'mstanding up, kind of like pretty
much like you squat on a wall.
But I'm not squatting on thewall, I'm just squatting.
She jumps and her feet land onmy quads and I'm basically
standing and holding her up onmy legs and we're just standing
there fighting for a whilestanding and then, as we're
fighting, I slowly stagger inback as she's fighting and
slashing at me, and then we fallonto the stage where the piano
(21:12):
was at.
There was no padding, there wasnothing on there.
It was basically I had to braceher weight and my weight and
slam onto this wooden stage andthat was the scene.
So when you see the movie, yousee the fight happen and me
falling back and me fall ontothe stage.
I was being flat onto the stage, so like the only thing I had
was a.
I have a little pad I had undermy shirt to protect my spine,
but that was the only padding.
(21:33):
I had to pretty much brace herweight and my weight and try and
get us to land safely.
You know, and we did that likefour or five times.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
That's rough yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
This was her.
It was probably about fourtimes because we were trying to
get her timing right to run andjump, because the floor had like
slats in it and she had highheels on.
We're trying to time out.
Okay, this is where you step,because right here the wood a
little wider than the otherpiece of wood that you're
stepping on.
So we're trying to time thatout, but four or five times with
her.
But then we had to do it with astunt.
Double was lee and she was, andwe did that, like I'll say,
four times as well.
You know, easily on that day,on the day of the shoot, same
thing and I'll just fall back,she'll jump on, we'll grab.
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I had to fight, fight, fightand fall down and it was, I'll
say, eight times on the day andwe did the scene.
We shot the day.
The scene is probably likethree days.
It took us to really get thewhole fight scene together, like
the main part.
But there's more days thathappened afterwards when it came
to like delta slim dying stuff,like that.
That was.
For my part, it was probablyabout three, three days of just
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straight people jumping on meand I'm falling because I
enjoyed every single bit of it,because whenever people ask me,
he's like, hey, did you like it?
Yeah, it's like a bunch of kidsat a playground jumping around
monkey bars and breaking stuff.
Or like, oh, we can break thisand we can just do this and we
just jump on stuff.
You're like, yes, so we're likea bunch of little kids.
That was like the most I had.
Even though I may not have a lotof scenes in the movie, my
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stunt is in the movie and also,I guess I tapped into my
background work when I did.
There is another scene in therethat you do kind of see me, I
think, when they're eatinggarlic.
I'm a guy holding a jar ofgarlic next to one of the main
characters and she's talkingabout I don you know, I don't
say nothing, but I'm like eatthe garlic.
I got tapped into thebackground part and then my
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stunt happens afterwards andthen I'm scattered in the
background through.
You know, just BG work.
That's pretty much what it wasafter that, which was actually a
goal that I had when I firststarted BG.
It's like you know what I wantto be able to do this BG work
but get paid 10 times more to dothe same thing, and that was a
testament for my justchallenging myself, pushing
myself like do the next thing.
It may be something that youmay not like, but if you're not
(23:37):
dying, try it out.
You know, it's type of thing solike, yeah, let me try it.
Yeah, cool, yeah, that lookslike fun, let me try it.
That's kind of like how itended.
I met a lot of people.
A lot of people from Atlantawere here too, like some people
from like Texas, people who camearound, and I created a lot of
great connections there.
It's fun, it's been good.
(23:57):
This whole journey that I'vebeen on has been fun.
I met so many different peopleLike I met you guys you know, I
met the stunt people.
I met so many, so many greatexperiences.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
You got paid a lot more, but you got your ass
kicked for a couple of days, soyou earned it.
You needed the rest to justwatch and okay, I can move.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
The amount of people who had to jump on my, because,
like when we first started, itwas just stunts and I would
stand there and people wouldjump, just continually jump on
me, and I had to stand there andhold them because they were
trying to figure out, becauseit's my first time doing stunt
in front of Tim Bell and AndyGill, so like I'm kind of
auditioning for them as well,even though I did get this job.
It's like so many people keptjumping on me and then once like
oh man, you're pretty sturdy.
(24:35):
He's like, yeah, yeah, I'mpretty sturdy.
And then once the actors, everysingle actor, the main cast,
they all didn't show up at thesame time, so we had to run that
scene, the whole fight scene,for every single cast member
that was in there.
So they all can understand.
So I getting jumped on forevery single cast member doing
the same thing, and I was doingthe most strenuous one because
the full fight scene was theycome in, there's another stunt
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actor comes in, I grab him, Iflip him over and slam him and
I'm stabbing him.
And then I get up and I'm backon the way trying to figure out
who's coming out.
And that's where HaleySteinfeld comes in, jumps on me,
we fight and I fall on thestage.
That's the full fight scene.
So we did all of that for everyactor, plus the time we
practiced, plus the time wherewe had to do it.
When hayley steinfeld actuallycame out, it's like all right,
(25:17):
this is your scene.
And it seemed like every singlestunt person there wanted to
try it out.
So it's like, oh, let me try it.
No, this is how you do it.
No, this is how you do it.
She asked questions like do Ibalance myself?
Do I do this and that?
So another stunt person be.
No, you do it like this.
And then you run up and they'djump on me.
That was just nonstop.
So iron quads and I soaked inEpsom salt for at least a week.
(25:37):
My legs were burnt by the timewe were done and fried, but
still, it was still all fun.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
That's really cool.
They talk about people steppingon you to get up in Hollywood.
So you literally had it Well inToxic America.
While you were talking, Iremembered our stunt because I'm
so spastic.
I wasn't supposed to be the guygetting thrown around.
That guy didn't show up.
We were mutant cannibal,zombies or whatever, and we
didn't have any safety equipment.
So I come swinging at you andyou didn't even really throw me,
(26:05):
you just kind of not even a hiptoss, but I had to stay on my
feet and when I planted,everything popped and I went
down and I'm in the blooperslater trying to just keep acting
like trying to run up to adifferent scene.
They're like cut, cut and I'mlike what, why are you making
fun?
I'm not built for stunts.
I'm applauding your greatnesswith that because two quads and
I'd been gone part of itanything can happen anytime.
(26:27):
Yeah, we were in the old navalbase, so it was not only
condemned.
People did lots of drugs onthere.
We'd find paraphernalia allover the place.
And then when we shot the finalscene for Toxic America two
weeks before there had been amurder, it was not a safe
environment.
Now, that didn't affect us, youknow what I mean, but it was
not in good conditions, like agood set, like you had on
Sinners.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Oh no, definitely.
This is definitely indie level.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
We're winging it right now no budget running gun
mostly running.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, that's the same thing for me when I played
Ravage for that that wasn't mypart originally, I was supposed
to be just another henchman.
That was kind of like how mymindset goes when it comes to
the film industry itself.
You never know when someone isgoing to ask you to step up, so
you do what you can to prepareup to that point and then, when
the time comes, like you figureit out.
I remember the day when you say, oh, so-and-so is not showing
up, you want to play his part.
(27:15):
It's like, yeah, but I don't.
I don't know any of his lines,I don't know nothing like that.
And I remember like, okay, well,here's the script he gave it to
me, where we want to say, like,I was so prepared to be the
other guy, yeah, oh, okay, giveme a minute.
So I was walking around and Inailed, based in circles, like
reading the script, and like,all right, all right, so this is
trying to build a character,yeah, so yeah.
When you say like, for thatwasn't your, your original role,
(27:36):
and then you changed it, it'slike, oh, no, I get it, I
understand, especially if it's astunt.
That was a lesson I learned.
You definitely need to stretch.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
You definitely need to prepare to do any type of
stunt and when you threw aroundthe girl, and because we had
this big inflatable, whateverthe hell it was, but I have a
great picture of you and her,and her hair is following her.
That that was the coolest partfor me because I was just
watching, but you know that I'mnot sure what it was, and yeah,
I was winded for a second.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
It's like all right, they're like okay, do I want to
do stunts?
Let me rethink my life yeah,earlier, just like I don't know,
that was a mistake.
I need to make sure, I need tomake, I need to protect myself,
you know, make sure.
Okay, we need more padding orsomething like that.
I'm gonna do something likethis, you know learn my lesson
so well, I still have a mask, myguy right here.
(28:21):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, look at thatyeah, because I remember when he
moved out it's like hey, youwant the mask?
Like hell, yeah, I want themask.
I like trinkets, I like to keeplittle souvenirs from whatever
I've been on.
At least try to so yeah.
I'm that type of guy.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
It sounds like your love in filmmaking.
Stunts may be kind of at thetop of that list.
Would you put cinematographyand acting around the same level
?
Do I have that right?
Like stunts maybe is yourfavorite and the other two are a
close second.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, yeah, well, it's tough, it fluctuates when
it comes to how I view it.
I guess stunts is a little bithigher than both of them.
I want to create a space whereI can invite other actors or
stunts or anything like that tobe on something.
(29:14):
So I was like, okay, but I liketo act, I like to do stunts.
So, like every time I filmsomething, I'm like I want to be
in front of the camera but Iwant to understand the behind
the cameras too, so I can bevery versatile in the industry.
But I would say stunts actingis really high on my list.
(29:36):
Cinematography is kind of likeI'm still learning, so I don't
have a full-on love for it yet,but I still like it because I
can get my thoughts onto paperand then put it onto a film.
So I like that aspect of itstunts acting cinematography
right now.
That's why I created my well, Ihave a business called
illuminated enterprises llc.
My business that I created,which is a performance-based
business, which was actingstunts, cinematography, all the
performance parts of theindustry.
It's kind of like how I goabout it.
(29:58):
It's like, okay, you need anactor?
Well, I'm an actor, you know, Ido stunts and I do filmmaking,
I've done directing, I've donewriting, I've done all that
stuff.
I put it out there.
It's like I put it out therelike, hey, if you need anyone to
fill any of those roles, let meknow, because I have experience
in all of it.
Oh yeah, and even if it's justlike oh well, I need a script
supervisor, oh well, I've donethat, let me help you out with
(30:18):
script supervisors.
We have a new actress or a newactor here on set.
I know you're sad, but can youlike talk to him about other
than that?
It's kind of like creating abusiness.
That's all it is.
It's just creating a businessto put my experience out.
That's what I want to do.
I want to return the favor,show my journey.
You never know where theindustry is going to take you,
(30:39):
so it's kind of like all right,this is where I started at BG,
and then now I'm acinematographer who's been on a
major and done stunts on like TVshow, like Queen of the South
and like in show sacrifice andstuff like that, and she asked
New Orleans out of a dead bodyas a featured extra.
So this journey has put me inso many different situations
that I've enjoyed it and youknow anyone who's doing it.
It's like just be open towhatever.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Yeah, that's really cool At seven and seven I
mentioned that we filmed.
Last week was my first turnbehind the camera and that was
just out of necessity.
We just couldn't find somebodythat was trained to do it.
People were committed to otherprojects or had personal work
commitments that they couldn'tget around.
And it was fine.
We moved forward and we did thebest we could with it.
(31:21):
I've AD'd on a short before.
I've never directed one, and Igot to say I really liked being
behind the camera.
It's a very, very close secondto acting.
Acting is still my first love.
I think stunts is not apossibility for me.
I mean, I get what you'resaying for sure.
I really liked the process andtrying to learn the stuff that I
didn't know and even though itdidn't turn out great, it was
(31:44):
still a lot of fun and I want toprogress that.
I want to improve and learnmore about it.
Of fun and I want to progressthat I want to improve and learn
more about it.
We had Rachel Jacob on a coupleof years ago and she
recommended that all directorsact in at least one project so
they understand what actors aregoing through, and actors should
direct at least one project sothey understand the other side
of it.
(32:04):
And being behind the camera andgetting hands on picking up
some of that stuff, I think theyboth go hand in hand and
improving the other side of it.
I kind of equate it to playingfootball.
My coach wanted everybody onthe offensive line to know every
position's route, what they hadto do or what their assignment
was on every play.
That way people could beinterchanged if something went
(32:26):
wrong and you knowing whateverybody else is supposed to do
helps you complete yourassignment better and I think
that kind of translates over.
It's kind of a similar concept.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
It just makes it easier when you understand yeah,
that's where, for my directingclass, he put like two
categories, like there's anactor's director and there's a
technical director when it comesto their styles, where, like,
the actor director like whatyou're saying, like they relate
to the actor, they understand,like where their process is and
like how they build thecharacter.
Technical is more like okay,this person is showing this
emotion, this type of light wewant on them.
(32:55):
So, like, because I've doneacting and I've done stunts
before I've gotten to thecinematography, I'm more of an
actor's director where, like,okay, so this is how you feel.
It's like.
How do you feel right now?
It's like, well, I feel youknow joy.
It's like cool.
So how can you show me more joy?
You know joy, it's like cool.
So how can you show me more joy?
You know it's like show this,give me this experience.
What was this joy experience?
How did you feel in this moment, at this time?
Okay, show that.
Okay, let's go.
Okay, action.
(33:15):
You know, that's kind of likehow I approach it.
Everything is interchangeable.
Like you said for football,it's the same thing for this.
But hey, I know you're kind oflike in your head right now
because of something that'shappening that's not on set.
But let me draw you, bring youback in focus, you back onto
your character.
This is how to do it.
Let me give you the steps forthat Breadcrumb you back on you
(33:35):
know, versus, you know, stuntguys, kind of like, okay, well,
this is a better way of tryingto go about it If you're trying
to show this emotion as an yourface before you, you know, do
your punch or whatever it isstuff like that.
Like I mean, that's how I,that's my mindset of how I
approach all this, which is whyI'm doing the acting stunts and
cinematography, like I like thateverything can actually help
(33:57):
something else when it comes tolike there was different aspects
of it.
So, like I've kind of given itthe broad stroke approach of
like this industry, I love thisindustry and everything is
interchangeable, be Every tipand trick from each position can
help someone else makesomething look better.
So that's how I went about it,or go about it.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
That's really cool.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Awesome, it's that time, my brother, we got to call
it.
Is there any socials you wantto share with people?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Instagram is that actor, kevin Cheatham, and
that's pretty much my main one Iuse for anything.
I do have Facebook, but it'sbasically the same as Instagram.
It's the same thing.
But I use my socials as mypersonal and also professional
kind of like portfolio building,advertising type of stuff.
I just finished that short film.
Thank you, brian, for doing avoiceover for that piece.
You're welcome, my friend.
(34:39):
I'm still editing that.
My professor loved it, sodefinitely going to try and get
that put together so I can startputting that through film
festivals and IMDb stuff likethat.
I realized IMDb rules kind ofchanged when it comes to like
trying to put stuff on there, soI gotta get it to film festival
first before I can imdb it,because I'm not really releasing
it yet.
Oh, I'm learning, so it's beengood, cool and now the hard part
(35:01):
begins no, I'm just kidding,good to have you on.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Thank you for coming, my friend.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Yeah, it's great seeing you, kevin.
Yeah, I think definitely weought to see about having you
back.
I feel like you're a reallygood wealth of information.
We've had a couple of guests onthat were mostly multifaceted,
like yourself, and some ofthat's worth revisiting to go in
a little bit deeper detail andyou certainly have a lot of
knowledge to share and that'swhat we try to do.
We try to pass on goodinformation.
(35:26):
It was great seeing you.
Really appreciate you coming on, thank you for having me and
and I will hope to not have thisdamn rooster in the background
no, we're leaving, we're leavingit in.
I like the rooster, I live.
I live in the country.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
It makes me feel right at home okay, well then,
great then, but it's beenbugging me this whole.
So, like, whenever I want toset, I worry about sound, and
sound has been my biggest thingnow.
So everything that is out ofthe norm was like okay, I want
to have a clean audio to talk toy'all and like rooster.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I worked on the film Palmer and it was a football
scene, so it was done at nightand the train tracks were right
next to it and every 15 minutesa train would come by.
You can't control sound.
Have a good one, brother.
My name is Kevin Sheetum.
I'm a 21-year Coast Guardveteran.
I am an actor, stunt performer,writer, director,
cinematographer, and I'm sohappy to be here on NOLA Film
Scene.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to NOLA.
Film Scene with TJ Plato.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I'm TJ.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And, as always, I'm Plato.
Yeah, cool, you made him laugh,tj yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
All right, so welcome Kevin.
Kevin is my friend.
We are both Coast Guardveterans.
I served just over 20 years, heserved just 21 years.
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Bob Krieger on a few weeks ago and he was a Navy
veteran.
I did a deployment to theMiddle East with a joint unit
that was Navy and Coast Guardand he was in a similar unit to
the type of Coast Guard unit Iwas in on the same Navy base at
the same time that I was in thatCoast Guard unit.
We just didn't really crosspaths.
He was in a similar type unit,so that was kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Sorry I digressed.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Anyway, kevin, welcome, we're glad to have you
on.
Thank you, happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I was fine with y'all digressing a little bit.
It's great to hear those kindsof stories, so many, so many
stories.
What we are having, folks, is athirst trap reunion.
Most people won't even knowthat we all did a short film
called Thirst Trap aboutvampires, which was my second
short film about vampires andthe first one was also called
Thirst Trap, but that's a wholenother story.
But, kevin, they asked me toreach out for people and Kevin
(01:35):
answered the call and I can'tthank you enough for that, buddy
.
Oh, thank you for reaching out.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I was surprised when he messaged me.
He was like I.
He was like I don't know.
There's been a while that Ihave like talked to you and I
saw you and he's like you knowwhat I'm going to do it and
there's no reason, I have noreason to not do it.
So, like you know what I'll doit, yeah, I'm class and, like
you know, from tax in America.
Knowing you was like you knowwhat, I can trust that you know
whatever was kind of the samefor me.
He reached out same thing.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
And when I got there I was still really new in the
industry I think I had only donemaybe two credited things up to
that point and hearing ally'all talk about stuff on set
and things about the business, Iwas just kind of impressed and
I had a really good time hangingout with y'all that night and
honestly, it was a really quickshoot.
(02:28):
I don't remember us being onset for a really long time.
It felt like they kind of hadtheir stuff together and they
were moving right along.
We were holding for I don'tknow a little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
We were like four hours getting our party supplies
together gym vests, moldingballoons.
We were a bachelor party on avampire tour.
Yeah, With real vampires maybe,I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yep, yeah, I remember that, yep.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
But back to Kevin.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Back to Kevin.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
When did you get started into this industry?
What inspired?
You?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I would say I started in the industry officially in
2018, when I was probably likemy last year in the Coast Guard
and I was trying to figure outwhat's life's going to be like
when I get out.
But what drove me to it wasNCIS New Orleans, because I was
stationed on the Navy base herein New Orleans, the NASJRB in
Belchase, so I was an aviationmechanic, but they went to the
base and they were doing a scenethere that needed a bunch of
service members to just you know, just as background for stuff.
(03:20):
I was in my last year and theyactually came to my base.
I think I was like the chiefwarrant officer at the time and
he was like hey, there's someguys from some show that want
some people to just stand there,you know, so I don't know what
it's about.
It's like what is it for?
He's like I don't know SomeNCIS type of show or something
like that.
Oh, it's like I'll go, I'll doit, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I'll do it.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Is this the life?
Is this what it's about?
That kind of put me intowanting to do more into the
industry.
But what drew me more isbecause, when I was younger, my
dad was a movie buff.
He just loved all types ofmovies, so I was there, I
watched it.
He would get every VHS tape youcould find of every movie that
came out at the time.
He'd have it to the point wherehe'd have a whole wall all the
(04:05):
AHS tapes that, like, ourfriends would come over and
borrow from him, versusborrowing from, like, the actual
movie stores and stuff likethat.
So, like he had laser discs.
He had all this stuff.
Like he exposed me to the filmindustry when I was a kid, but
not realizing it.
So now I was like, oh, a chanceto do that.
After doing all this work youknow Coast Guard, stuff like
that I want to do somethingdifferent.
And that's where it started mein 2018 background.
And then, from that point on,it's kind of like I kind of
(04:28):
pushed myself to learn moreabout the industry because at a
certain point as background, Iwas like you know what?
I kind of want to do more thanjust background, and it's like,
okay, let me start gettingclasses, start doing standing
work, and then so I pushedmyself in that area to try and
like, okay, I want to keeppushing myself.
Until I saw stunts happen onthe show and I was like I was
doing back, I was doing standingfor sacrifice, season-long
(04:51):
standing, and I did a couplestunts and I was like I want to
do that, you know, kind of like,for I did in the beginning.
It's like.
So I talked to some person atthe time.
It's like, hey, I want to dothis.
I got military background, I'vedone with, I've done stuff like
that.
I have no martial arts, but Iwas like I can do the basics.
So then he told me about okay,first off, cool, thanks for
walking up to me, not likebreaking my concentration.
(05:12):
So like all right.
So I waited.
And two, okay, what's yourtraining?
That's like stunt related, likespecific.
He at the time it was allpersonal training.
It's like all right.
So I got that information.
He talked to his stuntcoordinator and later on in the
show the stunt coordinator cameup to me.
He was like, hey, I heard youwanted to try some stunts out.
It's like, yeah, absolutely allright.
(05:33):
Cool, I'll keep that in mind.
And then I'll say, like a thirdaway into the show, into the
season, he actually pulled meout of a stand-in and put me
into a stunt scene.
It was fun.
It was like pretty much in mywheelhouse.
It was like weapons related.
It was just we just had alittle shootout in a bus.
I like one.
I was called bobby's roadie inthat scene, but I was like I had
a shootout and doing all theguns, stuff like that.
And then that's where I gothooked on stunts.
(05:53):
Once I did that, I started doingmore stunts and training and
then I got to the filmmakingpart where I guess, basically
when the strike happened andpretty much everything was just
done.
So I was like, all right, wesat there.
I sat there.
I was like, what else can I doin this industry?
You know, I'm still doingclasses through acting classes,
I'm still training for stuntsand still, with that work put in
, there's nothing coming aboutit.
(06:13):
So like, all right, let mefigure out filmmaking.
I want to get into filmmaking,see what I can do, because I
want to make stuff too.
So that kind of put me intothat aspect of like all right if
I, if I can't be in films, Iwant to be able to create films
so I can bring people in and wecan make our own stuff, type of
mindset.
And that's why I joined FullSail and that's where I'm at
right now.
When it comes to filmmaking,I've done two short films and a
(06:35):
mini documentary and I still gotto do another short film and, I
guess, a commercial I got to dofor assignment reasons.
I guess a commercial I got todo for assignment reasons, but
I'm almost done.
I'll graduate in April of nextyear, so I'll have all those in
my resume.
So that's kind of been myjourney, like a you know a broad
stroke of my journey.
But yeah, that's where I'm at,that's where I sit today, very
cool.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Oh, that's cool no-transcript.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
all of us, if we're making or if we're in it to
treat everybody the same, Ialmost got into background in a
similar fashion back in.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Oh, I guess it was 2005.
Might be off, it might've been04.
I think it was after Katrina,when they were filming Deja Vu
in New Orleans Post-Katrina andthere was a big scene where one
of the riverboats was blown upand it had a bunch of service
members on it and after theexplosion the Coast Guard was in
the air and on the water andthey got real Coast Guard
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members to fill in in thoseroles.
But they also solicited peoplefrom my unit to be attack team
doing either an entry or anapproach or something, and they
put out a notice within the unitto see who was interested.
Came that close to doing it,but I had some kind of conflict
with when they needed it.
I wasn't able to make it.
That would have been my firstforay.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I wasn't able to make it.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah, that would have been my first foray, it just
didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Oh yeah, my thought was like I was actually just
about to watch that movie again,like I know what you're talking
about.
It was like literally on myscreen, like all right, I just
got to press play when I sitdown.
That was a crazy thing that youbrought up.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Nice.
Yeah, I really like the movie.
The way they shot it, the waythey filmed.
It was just incredible and goodcast of people.
I watch it at least once a year, so you have deja vu by seeing
it every year?
Yeah, that's right, let mecircle back for just a minute to
the film school that you're in.
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Tell us a little bit more aboutthat.
Where is that?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Oh, so I'm doing Full Sail University.
It's an online class, so, okay,at the time when I decided to
do film school, I was trying tothink about I want to go
somewhere local because I wantedto build a local community
through school.
So you know two lanes, stufflike that.
But whenever I did the uh shortfilm, student films when I'll
be gonna sit with them, when Igot the different characters,
(09:02):
I'll ask them questions whileI'm on set, like so how's the uh
equipment and availability,how's your crew availability?
And it's like well, more timesthan not, we're fighting for
equipment because the lastperson has rented it out for
their project and, of course,every project runs later than
it's supposed to and then itpushes our project back.
So it's always a struggle inthe battle.
That's, kind of was my lastfinal decision to go with Full
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Sail, because everything I haveis in my tuition.
So my camera, my lighting, mysound, everything I have I can
shoot by myself is in my tuition.
They send to me.
So I have everything I need toshoot anything I want whenever I
feel like it.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
So it's and you get to keep it at the end.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, it's all mine, yeah, it's all mine.
So, like what I also use well,coast Guard are a part of it.
I use my GI Bill to pay forschool.
So basically all this is comingto be just because of my time
and service.
It's not out of pocket unless Igo to Masters, which I think
about doing, but I'm not sureyet.
I got to finish this first.
But Full Sail is.
(10:05):
I'm doing a bachelor's programof visual cinematography is a
program I'm in and that'sstrictly based on filmmaking.
You know, composition, lighting, stuff like that.
And April next year is when Igraduate and I'll be done.
I can make any film I want bymyself.
So but right now, every threemonths they have me do a
different project.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Did you have an undergraduate degree before this
?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I did.
I already had a bachelor's inIT management.
I got that at a differentschool, american Military
University.
Yeah, I've heard of it.
Yeah, so I have that.
I already had a bachelor's.
So when I applied for abachelor's in here, some of the
credits transferred, but not allof it, no-transcript.
(10:54):
Just recently I just did aphysical science class.
I joke about it's kind of like afast and furious type of rules
like, okay, so fast and furious,push this theory to the limit.
So what?
This?
The equation that the limit isat, and Fast and Furious broke
it in this way.
So like, oh, cars in space.
I don't know what that camefrom, but like they knew, I knew
the theory of what the limitwas, I'm like, all right, we're
just going to break it anyway.
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Like, you know what, we'regoing to do it on purpose.
We know this acceleration andgravity and stuff.
All right, now we're going tofilm magic.
It's like, oh, we're going tofly in space now.
So, okay, all right, yeah,there's math to this.
So I get it.
But it's been interesting.
I've learned a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I'm learning green screen right now.
I'm just wondering what theequation is for suspension of
disbelief.
I like the Fast and Furiousmovies, but you definitely have
to suspend some disbelief whenyou watch those.
I think it's yeah that's whereit happens.
(11:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, it's a dance.
It's definitely a dance of mathand words.
I mean, it's not believable.
What is the most believable waywe can depict this?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
at American Military University when we were
deploying.
I had an undergraduate degreeat that point and I had started
a master's.
And this was really when Istarted that first master's.
It was before online schoolinghad really started and, thanks
to Katrina and moving and someother things, I just wasn't able
to finish it because theydidn't have a remote option.
Years later I went back toschool at Liberty University and
finished, started over fromscratch a new master's and I did
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cybersecurity.
So there was a lot of IT stuffin that and thankfully I had GI
Bill left and it took care ofsome of that and the rest I just
paid monthly.
It worked out pretty good Withyour undergrad credits
transferring out pretty goodwith your undergrad credits
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transferring.
How long is the program for youfrom start to finish?
Is it two years or longer thanthat?
It's about two years and theygive you really good how to's on
how to do all that stuff.
Yeah, I dp'd for the first timeon this seven and seven.
We just did and we used a blackmagic six K and just made some
mistakes and one of the scenesis unwatchable because of the.
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We thought we had it lit wellenough, but it just it didn't
turn out right and I've beenthinking since we talked when
you first told me you were infilm school.
I've been kind of toilingaround that idea.
I'm like I miss being in schooland I try to find things to do
in online courses and stuff toimprove along the way.
I've been thinking more andmore about that.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Oh yeah, I've learned a lot just from school.
So the school is business based.
So we're going to teach you thebasics of filmmaking but also
there's a business side to thisand you need to build that as
well as you're going throughschool to learn stuff.
So they push you to make aportfolio.
So everything I do is alltowards a portfolio that I'll
have at the end to show whoeverI want to show at that point.
(13:58):
So they give you a website totry and build and stuff like
that through Adobe CreativeCloud.
They use other programs in thatto try and build your
programming.
So they go through every step ofevery filmmaking process, every
single time my first short filmI wrote it had to write it,
then I had to direct it, then Ihad to do a lighting setup, then
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I had to do a shot list.
I had to do all that stuff.
I had to do location.
I had to do casting.
I had to do all the stuff tobuild it and then make it.
And then the part the schoolwas teaching me Now your camera
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settings, you know your F stops,you know when it comes to
shutter speeds, when it comes to, like, your apertures.
The school teaches you that, andthen they make you a triangle.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all that.
And then, once you do it, it'slike all right, now, show us
what we taught you.
But then also I'm saying, oh,you got to take care of the
business side, to just business,to this as well.
Putting together gives aproduct and then we'll grade you
on that.
And then that's pretty much howit goes.
(15:01):
Every month we learn somethingdifferent, and then new project,
you learn new stuff, go do itagain and just keep doing it
until it's over.
It's been a good experience.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
As part of the business process?
Do they teach you how to raisefunds?
You know to pay for stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
They haven't yet.
That's why I want to do themaster's program, because that's
more of a businessentertainment and I know later
on they'll teach more about likebookkeeping and stuff like that
and fundraising.
That is a class that they dohave for it, but I don't know
how in depth they go into it.
Have for it, but I don't knowhow in depth they go into it.
But I know for the masters, forthe entertainment business,
they go more in fundraising andlike pitch decks and stuff like
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that and trying to sell productstype of thing.
This program is more about theperformance part of filmmaking
where the people with the actualwork part where it's like okay,
we get on set, we need a gripthrough the key grip and gaffers
, you know all the lighting andwe're doing like the camera work
, dp, all that stuff.
This program is meant for that,just to do the work and sell
yourself.
That's kind of like in there aswell.
(15:58):
But you create a solid productfirst and then we'll teach you
how to sell yourself afterwards.
It's kind of like how theyapproach.
It Makes sense.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Are you able to act in any of the projects you do or
you have too much behind thescenes stuff to do that?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I have a lot of behind the scenes stuff.
But if once I get my team setup then I can act in front if I
want to.
But because I'm SAG I can't doanything at the current moment
because everything I do isnon-union.
But once I start working ongetting understanding of the SAG
contract stuff like that, thenI can act if I want to.
But right at this momentthere's so much behind the
scenes that I got to figure outand just try and keep straight
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line, try and get from deadlinefrom like point A to point B,
like, ok, call times at eight.
We got to be out here by noon.
Ok, we got to get this.
Boom, boom, boom, boom.
So yeah, I pretty much staybehind the camera whenever I'm
shooting, maybe later on theline and maybe I'll start doing
more in front once I getcomfortable.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
But right now it's kind of like no, that was part
of the challenge with this one.
We just did.
It was hard, especially if itwas with Matt Carroll, If both
he and I were on camera.
Then we had to figure out whowas going to run it.
Jeff Roberts helped us some andmy wife did a lot of it as well
.
So you know, I think you can doa SAG micro contract and from
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what I understand, it's only afew pages of paperwork that gets
sent off to SAG to get itapproved, because I've done a
few student films that they'vedone that because they had
people that were SAG that theycouldn't do it unless it was.
But it sounded like it's apretty easy process once you do
get to that point.
I could be wrong, but that's myunderstanding.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
No, you're correct.
You're correct Because twomeetings ago they had the
producers portal.
They have, like sag has startedhex created, whereas there is
like a micro budget, whereaslike deferred payments and stuff
like that that you can put inthat is covered by sag checks
all the boxes for a sagperformer to do.
Yeah, I want to do that, butI'm not to that point yet
because I'm still getting theyou know, the filmmaking part in
(17:50):
my mind.
For don't want to put myself ina position where I'm at a
detriment to the actual wholeset because I'm the one with the
least amount of experience.
I'm like, oh, let me make sureI'm solid first before I take
that next step.
So, like I want to challengemyself for that step, but I want
to make sure I'm solid firstbefore I get there.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, that's a great, great attitude to have.
What kind of camera do?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
they hook you up with for this.
Oh, it's a sony fx6.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I see it now.
It's kind of like in thebackground, but yeah, it's sony
fx6.
It's a 4k camera, but it's likea cinema line, it's cinema
grade.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
That's what they give us I'm eyeing an fx3 and I want
one.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
So bad I can taste it , oh yeah, do you and the camera
want to be alone?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
tj holy just just Just not ready to quite pull the
trigger on that price tag Ilove you so much, tim.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, that's how I feel about SAG roles.
It's so bad.
Just get me in the door.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Kevin, that's great, but you've also just had a
recent experience on a verymajor film.
Could you tell us about that?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah, yeah.
So, like I said, on my journeystarted with background and then
I said, oh, I want to do thatwhen I saw stunts being done.
So what I ended up doing?
Got in contact with them.
They let me do a scene for youknow, sacrifice, which helped me
because the stunt coordinatorfor that part had a partner, and
that partner was Tim Bell andTim Bell is stunt too here in
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New Orleans, and he and AndyGill was the stunt team, or
stunt coordinators, for the filmSinners.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Boom.
So there we go, sinners.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
So what happened was that he actually from Sacrifice,
I would say, every three months, doing the actor mindset was
like you know what, let me checkin with you.
Say, hey, I'm doing all right,how you doing, you know know,
general checking in is like, hey, anything going on, do you need
people?
Or anything like that, kind oflike that.
But like no, nothing right now.
But then he called me when theproduction for centers came up
and he's like, hey, what's yourschedule look like for two weeks
(19:43):
?
It's like pretty clear actually.
He's like what do you mean?
What do you need?
He's like all right, so wegotta do some uh, previs or for
stunts is pre-visualization,whereas basically you come in
for a couple weeks, we make upfight scenes or make up whatever
fight scene that the directorwants basically it's just an
audition and we give them to himand he picks through all of
them like you know what I like,this fight, I like this fight
and this fight.
So I did that for two weeks andI am so sore and so bruised and
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so battered but itwas the most fun.
I had a long time because I wasactually on set doing something
that I love doing, so like itdidn't even matter, like I'll
come home and like.
It was like what happened toyou?
Like my whole forearm wasbruised from like, from my wrist
to my elbow, just one big giantbruise in my back.
It was a mess, but whathappened was that in the end,
ryan coogler actually liked thescene that I set up when I was
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in the fight scene, because itincluded Haley Steinfeld,
because she was the one whokills me.
So when we set it up, she camein and she was timid.
She was very professional, butshe was like ah, I don't know,
it's like this is a weird stateto be in because it's not used
to doing something like that,not comfortable with it.
Initially the scene was kind oflike how you see in the movie.
But they rush into the jukejoint.
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She jumps on me like I'mstanding up, kind of like pretty
much like you squat on a wall.
But I'm not squatting on thewall, I'm just squatting.
She jumps and her feet land onmy quads and I'm basically
standing and holding her up onmy legs and we're just standing
there fighting for a whilestanding and then, as we're
fighting, I slowly stagger inback as she's fighting and
slashing at me, and then we fallonto the stage where the piano
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was at.
There was no padding, there wasnothing on there.
It was basically I had to braceher weight and my weight and
slam onto this wooden stage andthat was the scene.
So when you see the movie, yousee the fight happen and me
falling back and me fall ontothe stage.
I was being flat onto the stage, so like the only thing I had
was a.
I have a little pad I had undermy shirt to protect my spine,
but that was the only padding.
(21:33):
I had to pretty much brace herweight and my weight and try and
get us to land safely.
You know, and we did that likefour or five times.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
That's rough yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
This was her.
It was probably about fourtimes because we were trying to
get her timing right to run andjump, because the floor had like
slats in it and she had highheels on.
We're trying to time out.
Okay, this is where you step,because right here the wood a
little wider than the otherpiece of wood that you're
stepping on.
So we're trying to time thatout, but four or five times with
her.
But then we had to do it with astunt.
Double was lee and she was, andwe did that, like I'll say,
four times as well.
You know, easily on that day,on the day of the shoot, same
thing and I'll just fall back,she'll jump on, we'll grab.
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I had to fight, fight, fightand fall down and it was, I'll
say, eight times on the day andwe did the scene.
We shot the day.
The scene is probably likethree days.
It took us to really get thewhole fight scene together, like
the main part.
But there's more days thathappened afterwards when it came
to like delta slim dying stuff,like that.
That was.
For my part, it was probablyabout three, three days of just
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straight people jumping on meand I'm falling because I
enjoyed every single bit of it,because whenever people ask me,
he's like, hey, did you like it?
Yeah, it's like a bunch of kidsat a playground jumping around
monkey bars and breaking stuff.
Or like, oh, we can break thisand we can just do this and we
just jump on stuff.
You're like, yes, so we're likea bunch of little kids.
That was like the most I had.
Even though I may not have a lotof scenes in the movie, my
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stunt is in the movie and also,I guess I tapped into my
background work when I did.
There is another scene in therethat you do kind of see me, I
think, when they're eatinggarlic.
I'm a guy holding a jar ofgarlic next to one of the main
characters and she's talkingabout I don you know, I don't
say nothing, but I'm like eatthe garlic.
I got tapped into thebackground part and then my
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stunt happens afterwards andthen I'm scattered in the
background through.
You know, just BG work.
That's pretty much what it wasafter that, which was actually a
goal that I had when I firststarted BG.
It's like you know what I wantto be able to do this BG work
but get paid 10 times more to dothe same thing, and that was a
testament for my justchallenging myself, pushing
myself like do the next thing.
It may be something that youmay not like, but if you're not
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dying, try it out.
You know, it's type of thing solike, yeah, let me try it.
Yeah, cool, yeah, that lookslike fun, let me try it.
That's kind of like how itended.
I met a lot of people.
A lot of people from Atlantawere here too, like some people
from like Texas, people who camearound, and I created a lot of
great connections there.
It's fun, it's been good.
(23:57):
This whole journey that I'vebeen on has been fun.
I met so many different peopleLike I met you guys you know, I
met the stunt people.
I met so many, so many greatexperiences.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
You got paid a lot more, but you got your ass
kicked for a couple of days, soyou earned it.
You needed the rest to justwatch and okay, I can move.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
The amount of people who had to jump on my, because,
like when we first started, itwas just stunts and I would
stand there and people wouldjump, just continually jump on
me, and I had to stand there andhold them because they were
trying to figure out, becauseit's my first time doing stunt
in front of Tim Bell and AndyGill, so like I'm kind of
auditioning for them as well,even though I did get this job.
It's like so many people keptjumping on me and then once like
oh man, you're pretty sturdy.
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He's like, yeah, yeah, I'mpretty sturdy.
And then once the actors, everysingle actor, the main cast,
they all didn't show up at thesame time, so we had to run that
scene, the whole fight scene,for every single cast member
that was in there.
So they all can understand.
So I getting jumped on forevery single cast member doing
the same thing, and I was doingthe most strenuous one because
the full fight scene was theycome in, there's another stunt
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actor comes in, I grab him, Iflip him over and slam him and
I'm stabbing him.
And then I get up and I'm backon the way trying to figure out
who's coming out.
And that's where HaleySteinfeld comes in, jumps on me,
we fight and I fall on thestage.
That's the full fight scene.
So we did all of that for everyactor, plus the time we
practiced, plus the time wherewe had to do it.
When hayley steinfeld actuallycame out, it's like all right,
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this is your scene.
And it seemed like every singlestunt person there wanted to
try it out.
So it's like, oh, let me try it.
No, this is how you do it.
No, this is how you do it.
She asked questions like do Ibalance myself?
Do I do this and that?
So another stunt person be.
No, you do it like this.
And then you run up and they'djump on me.
That was just nonstop.
So iron quads and I soaked inEpsom salt for at least a week.
(25:37):
My legs were burnt by the timewe were done and fried, but
still, it was still all fun.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
That's really cool.
They talk about people steppingon you to get up in Hollywood.
So you literally had it Well inToxic America.
While you were talking, Iremembered our stunt because I'm
so spastic.
I wasn't supposed to be the guygetting thrown around.
That guy didn't show up.
We were mutant cannibal,zombies or whatever, and we
didn't have any safety equipment.
So I come swinging at you andyou didn't even really throw me,
(26:05):
you just kind of not even a hiptoss, but I had to stay on my
feet and when I planted,everything popped and I went
down and I'm in the blooperslater trying to just keep acting
like trying to run up to adifferent scene.
They're like cut, cut and I'mlike what, why are you making
fun?
I'm not built for stunts.
I'm applauding your greatnesswith that because two quads and
I'd been gone part of itanything can happen anytime.
(26:27):
Yeah, we were in the old navalbase, so it was not only
condemned.
People did lots of drugs onthere.
We'd find paraphernalia allover the place.
And then when we shot the finalscene for Toxic America two
weeks before there had been amurder, it was not a safe
environment.
Now, that didn't affect us, youknow what I mean, but it was
not in good conditions, like agood set, like you had on
Sinners.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Oh no, definitely.
This is definitely indie level.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
We're winging it right now no budget running gun
mostly running.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, that's the same thing for me when I played
Ravage for that that wasn't mypart originally, I was supposed
to be just another henchman.
That was kind of like how mymindset goes when it comes to
the film industry itself.
You never know when someone isgoing to ask you to step up, so
you do what you can to prepareup to that point and then, when
the time comes, like you figureit out.
I remember the day when you say, oh, so-and-so is not showing
up, you want to play his part.
(27:15):
It's like, yeah, but I don't.
I don't know any of his lines,I don't know nothing like that.
And I remember like, okay, well,here's the script he gave it to
me, where we want to say, like,I was so prepared to be the
other guy, yeah, oh, okay, giveme a minute.
So I was walking around and Inailed, based in circles, like
reading the script, and like,all right, all right, so this is
trying to build a character,yeah, so yeah.
When you say like, for thatwasn't your, your original role,
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and then you changed it, it'slike, oh, no, I get it, I
understand, especially if it's astunt.
That was a lesson I learned.
You definitely need to stretch.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
You definitely need to prepare to do any type of
stunt and when you threw aroundthe girl, and because we had
this big inflatable, whateverthe hell it was, but I have a
great picture of you and her,and her hair is following her.
That that was the coolest partfor me because I was just
watching, but you know that I'mnot sure what it was, and yeah,
I was winded for a second.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
It's like all right, they're like okay, do I want to
do stunts?
Let me rethink my life yeah,earlier, just like I don't know,
that was a mistake.
I need to make sure, I need tomake, I need to protect myself,
you know, make sure.
Okay, we need more padding orsomething like that.
I'm gonna do something likethis, you know learn my lesson
so well, I still have a mask, myguy right here.
(28:21):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, look at thatyeah, because I remember when he
moved out it's like hey, youwant the mask?
Like hell, yeah, I want themask.
I like trinkets, I like to keeplittle souvenirs from whatever
I've been on.
At least try to so yeah.
I'm that type of guy.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
It sounds like your love in filmmaking.
Stunts may be kind of at thetop of that list.
Would you put cinematographyand acting around the same level
?
Do I have that right?
Like stunts maybe is yourfavorite and the other two are a
close second.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, yeah, well, it's tough, it fluctuates when
it comes to how I view it.
I guess stunts is a little bithigher than both of them.
I want to create a space whereI can invite other actors or
stunts or anything like that tobe on something.
(29:14):
So I was like, okay, but I liketo act, I like to do stunts.
So, like every time I filmsomething, I'm like I want to be
in front of the camera but Iwant to understand the behind
the cameras too, so I can bevery versatile in the industry.
But I would say stunts actingis really high on my list.
(29:36):
Cinematography is kind of likeI'm still learning, so I don't
have a full-on love for it yet,but I still like it because I
can get my thoughts onto paperand then put it onto a film.
So I like that aspect of itstunts acting cinematography
right now.
That's why I created my well, Ihave a business called
illuminated enterprises llc.
My business that I created,which is a performance-based
business, which was actingstunts, cinematography, all the
performance parts of theindustry.
It's kind of like how I goabout it.
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It's like, okay, you need anactor?
Well, I'm an actor, you know, Ido stunts and I do filmmaking,
I've done directing, I've donewriting, I've done all that
stuff.
I put it out there.
It's like I put it out therelike, hey, if you need anyone to
fill any of those roles, let meknow, because I have experience
in all of it.
Oh yeah, and even if it's justlike oh well, I need a script
supervisor, oh well, I've donethat, let me help you out with
(30:18):
script supervisors.
We have a new actress or a newactor here on set.
I know you're sad, but can youlike talk to him about other
than that?
It's kind of like creating abusiness.
That's all it is.
It's just creating a businessto put my experience out.
That's what I want to do.
I want to return the favor,show my journey.
You never know where theindustry is going to take you,
(30:39):
so it's kind of like all right,this is where I started at BG,
and then now I'm acinematographer who's been on a
major and done stunts on like TVshow, like Queen of the South
and like in show sacrifice andstuff like that, and she asked
New Orleans out of a dead bodyas a featured extra.
So this journey has put me inso many different situations
that I've enjoyed it and youknow anyone who's doing it.
It's like just be open towhatever.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Yeah, that's really cool At seven and seven I
mentioned that we filmed.
Last week was my first turnbehind the camera and that was
just out of necessity.
We just couldn't find somebodythat was trained to do it.
People were committed to otherprojects or had personal work
commitments that they couldn'tget around.
And it was fine.
We moved forward and we did thebest we could with it.
(31:21):
I've AD'd on a short before.
I've never directed one, and Igot to say I really liked being
behind the camera.
It's a very, very close secondto acting.
Acting is still my first love.
I think stunts is not apossibility for me.
I mean, I get what you'resaying for sure.
I really liked the process andtrying to learn the stuff that I
didn't know and even though itdidn't turn out great, it was
(31:44):
still a lot of fun and I want toprogress that.
I want to improve and learnmore about it.
Of fun and I want to progressthat I want to improve and learn
more about it.
We had Rachel Jacob on a coupleof years ago and she
recommended that all directorsact in at least one project so
they understand what actors aregoing through, and actors should
direct at least one project sothey understand the other side
of it.
(32:04):
And being behind the camera andgetting hands on picking up
some of that stuff, I think theyboth go hand in hand and
improving the other side of it.
I kind of equate it to playingfootball.
My coach wanted everybody onthe offensive line to know every
position's route, what they hadto do or what their assignment
was on every play.
That way people could beinterchanged if something went
(32:26):
wrong and you knowing whateverybody else is supposed to do
helps you complete yourassignment better and I think
that kind of translates over.
It's kind of a similar concept.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
It just makes it easier when you understand yeah,
that's where, for my directingclass, he put like two
categories, like there's anactor's director and there's a
technical director when it comesto their styles, where, like,
the actor director like whatyou're saying, like they relate
to the actor, they understand,like where their process is and
like how they build thecharacter.
Technical is more like okay,this person is showing this
emotion, this type of light wewant on them.
(32:55):
So, like, because I've doneacting and I've done stunts
before I've gotten to thecinematography, I'm more of an
actor's director where, like,okay, so this is how you feel.
It's like.
How do you feel right now?
It's like, well, I feel youknow joy.
It's like cool.
So how can you show me more joy?
You know joy, it's like cool.
So how can you show me more joy?
You know it's like show this,give me this experience.
What was this joy experience?
How did you feel in this moment, at this time?
Okay, show that.
Okay, let's go.
Okay, action.
(33:15):
You know, that's kind of likehow I approach it.
Everything is interchangeable.
Like you said for football,it's the same thing for this.
But hey, I know you're kind oflike in your head right now
because of something that'shappening that's not on set.
But let me draw you, bring youback in focus, you back onto
your character.
This is how to do it.
Let me give you the steps forthat Breadcrumb you back on you
(33:35):
know, versus, you know, stuntguys, kind of like, okay, well,
this is a better way of tryingto go about it If you're trying
to show this emotion as an yourface before you, you know, do
your punch or whatever it isstuff like that.
Like I mean, that's how I,that's my mindset of how I
approach all this, which is whyI'm doing the acting stunts and
cinematography, like I like thateverything can actually help
(33:57):
something else when it comes tolike there was different aspects
of it.
So, like I've kind of given itthe broad stroke approach of
like this industry, I love thisindustry and everything is
interchangeable, be Every tipand trick from each position can
help someone else makesomething look better.
So that's how I went about it,or go about it.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
That's really cool.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Awesome, it's that time, my brother, we got to call
it.
Is there any socials you wantto share with people?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Instagram is that actor, kevin Cheatham, and
that's pretty much my main one Iuse for anything.
I do have Facebook, but it'sbasically the same as Instagram.
It's the same thing.
But I use my socials as mypersonal and also professional
kind of like portfolio building,advertising type of stuff.
I just finished that short film.
Thank you, brian, for doing avoiceover for that piece.
You're welcome, my friend.
(34:39):
I'm still editing that.
My professor loved it, sodefinitely going to try and get
that put together so I can startputting that through film
festivals and IMDb stuff likethat.
I realized IMDb rules kind ofchanged when it comes to like
trying to put stuff on there, soI gotta get it to film festival
first before I can imdb it,because I'm not really releasing
it yet.
Oh, I'm learning, so it's beengood, cool and now the hard part
(35:01):
begins no, I'm just kidding,good to have you on.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Thank you for coming, my friend.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Yeah, it's great seeing you, kevin.
Yeah, I think definitely weought to see about having you
back.
I feel like you're a reallygood wealth of information.
We've had a couple of guests onthat were mostly multifaceted,
like yourself, and some ofthat's worth revisiting to go in
a little bit deeper detail andyou certainly have a lot of
knowledge to share and that'swhat we try to do.
We try to pass on goodinformation.
(35:26):
It was great seeing you.
Really appreciate you coming on, thank you for having me and
and I will hope to not have thisdamn rooster in the background
no, we're leaving, we're leavingit in.
I like the rooster, I live.
I live in the country.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
It makes me feel right at home okay, well then,
great then, but it's beenbugging me this whole.
So, like, whenever I want toset, I worry about sound, and
sound has been my biggest thingnow.
So everything that is out ofthe norm was like okay, I want
to have a clean audio to talk toy'all and like rooster.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I worked on the film Palmer and it was a football
scene, so it was done at nightand the train tracks were right
next to it and every 15 minutesa train would come by.
You can't control sound.
Have a good one, brother.
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