S2E08 - Pret-A-Por-J (w/Andy Greene) - Non Judging Breakfast Pod

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Andy (00:00):
Yeah, Dawson, he was masturbating to Katie.

Leif (00:03):
Couric, which brings up so many
edible, questions.

Steve (00:07):
That's so funny.

Andy (00:08):
Oh, yeah, because, yeah, his mom is a reporter.

Steve (00:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. We watched some of
that. Also, Dorota, why so
judgy?

Leif (00:25):
Hey, upper east siders and all you scandal loving listeners out
there, you just tuned into the non judging breakfast
pod, where the coffee is strong, the waffles
are fresh, and the gossip is hotter than ever.
My name is Leif, and I'm your seasoned gossip girl
veteran.

Steve (00:39):
And I'm Steve. I'm the newbie, the greenhorn,
the. I don't know, Leif, what's the season
two nuke, hit on the block in Gossip girl
turns?

Leif (00:49):
I don't know, but you're gonna have to take off your shirt and dance for the camera if you want to
make it to the top.

Steve (00:53):
Well, either that, or I'm gonna have to walk out on Eleanor
Waldorf, so.

Leif (00:57):
Sounds good.

Steve (00:59):
So here's the deal, folks. Leif has been a
fan of Gossip Girl since it first aired, and I'm
watching for the very first time. And together, we're your
dynamic duo, bringing you all the drama,
romance, and sometimes questionable
fashion choices of this iconic
2007 series.

Leif (01:17):
That's right. Each week, we're going to take a deep dive into the
show one episode at a time. We're going to analyze all the
hidden references, parallels, and, of course, the
guitar. Guitar. And along the way, we're going to talk about
some stories from fandom and some behind the scenes gossip.

Steve (01:31):
And since we're all about inclusivity here at the non
judging breakfast pod, there's always room for you at the
non judging breakfast table. So go ahead and grab your
mimosa, your cup of coffee, or some
of, ah, Nate and Chuck special medicine, and let's
go ahead and get started.

Leif (01:48):
all right. And, Steve, once again, we are not
alone. We are with a guesthouse. We are with
Andy Green. He is the host
of the Naked man podcast and formerly from
gossip Guys.

Steve (02:00):
Yes.

Leif (02:00):
Welcome.

Steve (02:01):
Andy.

Leif (02:01):
How's it going?

Andy (02:02):
Hello. Thank you. I spotted you.
Found me.
Still, it's a small island, and it's hard, but it's hard
to get off of, huh?

Steve (02:12):
Yep.

Leif (02:12):
Hard to get off the island.

Andy (02:14):
Yeah. I thought I'd escaped, and
you, roped me back in.

Leif (02:20):
So, have you watched any gossip
girl since, you know, the podcast
ended?

Andy (02:26):
I have not. I don't. I don't think so. I.
And, we. At one point, we're gonna do the new
show and continue. But we. We
really. We did, like, 150
episodes. We were like, you
know, we were losing. Losing the,
like thing, and we wanted to keep the original alive

(02:46):
and not go down that road, or else I'd still be.
Still be there, I guess. But, yeah, I think that was kind
of fun to not have, you know, give it a couple
years before watching this episode and throw myself in the
middle of a season. But, like, I. Yeah, I know where we
are. This is, painfully familiar.

Steve (03:04):
Now, did you have the same sort of format
that we're doing that one of you had seen it and one of you
hadn't? And which one you?

Andy (03:12):
Ah. Aaron was leaf, and I was
you, Steve.

Leif (03:15):
Oh, awesome.

Andy (03:16):
I was the newbie going into it for the first
time, and I actually was going to ask, like, are
you. Do you know spoilers going
forward?

Steve (03:25):
No.
The one thing that I say all the time,
that by the end of season one, I
have avoided spoilers as much as I can, but there's
been a couple things that have kind of just brushed
past, and it's driven me only to one
conclusion, and that's that they're all going to fuck
that at some point. By

(03:47):
the end, they're, all of them at one
point, maybe altogether, I don't know.

Andy (03:53):
But, I mean, that would be
a good reunion episode if it hasn't happened. I don't
want to spoil anything, but, yeah, yeah,
I was similar. Like, I mean, I did
about midway through, I did get the ultimate spoiler.
about who gossip girl is. And
so that, of course, shaped the

(04:13):
viewing, but, yeah, I hope you can.

Leif (04:16):
Don'T drink in podcast.

Steve (04:17):
Yeah, our friend
Rachel almost spoiled that for me,
and I had to, very forcefully
say, no, I have not seen the
show.

Leif (04:30):
So the reason I reached out to you was from, someone on our
discord, Jessica Bees.

Steve (04:35):
Yeah.

Leif (04:36):
And she, she actually wanted to ask, are you still
in touch with Aaron?

Andy (04:40):
Ooh. Are we ready for that gossip? I don't know if we're
ready for that gossip. to be
completely honest and transparent, we sort of had a
falling out. We kind of. We kind of. We kind of had our
breakup. Like, I think gossip girl took a lot out of us,
and we. We finished this project, and. And, yeah, we just sort
of have different. I mean, the whole show was us
being so different from one another.

Leif (05:02):
Yeah.

Andy (05:02):
Like, talked about it a lot, and it. And that was sort
of us arguing and yelling at each other, and that was our
relationship, which was good.

Leif (05:10):
Yeah, it worked good.

Steve (05:11):
Yeah.

Leif (05:11):
Yeah. Well, thank you.

Andy (05:13):
but, yeah, like, I mean, I still wish, you know, the best
for him, but, yeah, we're not. We haven't, Yeah, we almost went
to forever would, That almost was our sequel show,
and I think we both needed to spread our wings and
try other things, which is sort of what naked man was for me.
And. And I know Aaron's still, you know, riding,
plugging away, or as far as I know, you're gonna

(05:33):
bring him out and he's, like, behind you, and that.

Leif (05:34):
Would be like, no, I was actually
thinking about him last week with the news of
Shannon Dougherty, so, Oh,
yeah.

Andy (05:44):
That is. He would really appreciate that thought. And
I thought of him as well when I heard that because I know. Yeah. And
that's super sad. as well. And then,
like, 921 has been hit hard the last
couple years.

Steve (05:56):
Yeah. Yeah. When. When I had the
realization that Luke and Brenda were. Both.
Had both died, it was really like,
wow, those two
definitely said it's just those two, right?
There's no. Has there been anyone else from
any of. None of the other.

Leif (06:16):
The older one. The parents, maybe?

Andy (06:18):
I think the parents, yeah. But I. I'm not the one to know.

Leif (06:20):
I, I'm not a fan of rolling fan show.
I thought the acting was not great.

Steve (06:26):
I. I was the exact.

Leif (06:30):
I don't think the cast is the strong point in Gossip Girl. I think
that's what carried his show. Really?

Steve (06:35):
Oh, yeah. yeah, that's definitely. I
was the perfect age for
90210 when that first season came out, too.
So my friend and I. And we were both, like,
in love with every woman on
that cast, too, so
we. Yeah, yes.

Leif (06:52):
I was a little younger. So before we start the episode, we will talk
about the show that I grew up with, which is Dawson's
Creek, which, I know, you are a huge fan.

Steve (07:01):
That.

Andy (07:02):
Yeah, if, like, sort of. That should have been the podcast
I did. I mean,
spoilers, but I kind of gossip girl. I did not.
Like, by the end of it, I was just like, this. Yeah, I have a
lot of problems with this show, but it's also always, like, a
hate watch, guilty pleasure kind of a thing. I understand.
I get it. And I always. But, like, yeah, Creek is my

(07:22):
show, probably of any show, like,
the most influential in my life, weirdly.

Leif (07:27):
Yeah. I was a year younger than the
Dawson's Creek. I was class 2002. They were zero
one.

Andy (07:34):
Oh, so they were the upperclassmen. You were.

Leif (07:36):
Yeah, yeah.

Andy (07:39):
Having the drama. Yeah, I was a little bit. I was
younger and I watched it actually first through
TBS. That was where I found it. But
I'm like, still I'm on like number four or five watch
right now with my partner and she has not seen
it. So we're doing the non judging, cape side
pod. We're in the last season

(07:59):
and it's hard.

Steve (08:01):
It's great.

Andy (08:02):
It's really hard to get through.

Leif (08:03):
I mean, so as a Dawson fan,
I actually like the fourth, fifth, and 6th
seasons quite a bit. Cause that that's kind of
immaturing, those seasons.

Andy (08:14):
I I agree with you to a point. Cause I actually
really like Dawson's college stuff that he's
going on like,

Leif (08:21):
The rest with those. Yeah.

Andy (08:22):
But like, I think. I think I was into like maybe four.
Like, they both start.

Steve (08:27):
Four.

Andy (08:27):
Four and five will start out really well, I think. Or, like,
I'm interested in their new whereabouts, the new
storylines, new people. And I think by the end
of, I mean, especially five, that one just really drags
and is really like,

Leif (08:39):
To get four of those by actually my favorite season.

Andy (08:42):
Ooh, interesting. Yeah. Okay.

Leif (08:45):
That that really was like the redemption of Dawson.

Andy (08:48):
It was. And that's. I mean, is that
Dawson, after he.

Leif (08:53):
Went to the lowest low at the end of season three.

Andy (08:56):
Yes.

Leif (08:57):
They built, they built. They finally built them out but gave him some
growth.

Andy (09:00):
I mean, it took some tragedy, but. Yeah,
yeah, no, I'm with you. I think I have a soft spot for
those seasons. And, I mean, I love Audrey until
they, you know, ruin her, but they have to. She
can't be one of the main
four.

Steve (09:15):
Yeah. Yeah.

Leif (09:17):
The way that they treated Jen and Jack anyway, so,
yeah, he gave them not very good
stories. Yeah.

Andy (09:25):
I feel bad about Jack's college years a lot. I
have, you know, sleepless nights thinking about that
and wondering, oh, man.
Yeah, he deserved better than that frat. God damn it.

Leif (09:36):
Yeah, that was rough.

Andy (09:38):
I think Agnes is Jack's frat, for,
like, that's getting ahead of her.

Leif (09:48):
All right. So, yes, we are getting in. We're actually here to talk about
gastric girl today, season two, episode eight.

Steve (09:54):
I'm really glad because I don't know shit about Dawson's
Creek.

Leif (10:00):
Air j Original air date
October 27, 2008
anyone get the. Has anyone seen the movie? It's based on,
Pret Eporte.

Steve (10:11):
Okay. So I
know, but
Robin instantly recognized the term,
which I, which I've never heard before, and she's like,
Robin, my wife. Robin instantly
said, that's a fashion term. Hold on
a second, pret a porter is.
It means ready to wear. Ready to wear. Yeah.

(10:33):
Essentially off the rack as opposed to courtier,
which is custom. So,
yeah. Thank you very much, Robin.

Leif (10:41):
And so I've not seen the movie, but it's basically. It is a
movie takes place during fashion week, and it's a. It's a kind of a
whodunit. Kim Basinger's in it.

Andy (10:50):
It's got a huge cast. They have a Julia Roberts in it.

Leif (10:52):
It has Sophia Loren and Marcello
Mastriani, who, if you watch any italian movies from the
era, you'll know who that is.

Steve (11:00):
Yeah.

Andy (11:00):
He's Kim Robbins. Forrest Whitaker. Yeah. Robert Altman directed it.
I did not see it. I was. I was thinking about
the fiore.

Leif (11:06):
Lauren.

Andy (11:08):
Yeah. But Lauren Bacall. The
reviews are bad. Lauren Bacall's in it.

Leif (11:12):
Oh, Tim Robbins.

Andy (11:13):
Yeah.

Leif (11:14):
Yeah. So, but, yeah. Never seen it.

Steve (11:17):
Nope.

Andy (11:19):
We're not ready to watch. We're ready to wear.

Leif (11:24):
The gossip girl wiki episode description
reads, jenny befriends a young model, Agnes,
who encourages Jenny to not only explore her wild side
but also confront her boss, Eleanor Waldorf,
who is attempting to borrow Jenny's
designs. Serena meets an artist, Aaron
Rose, and realizes they have instant chemistry.

(11:44):
Blair attempts to seduce Chuck, but it
proves tougher than she ever imagined.
Pretty accurate.

Steve (11:53):
Yeah.

Leif (11:55):
Unfortunately, in the first season, we had these, we were
doing television without pity recast, but they kind
of stopped doing those. unfortunately, they were much funnier.

Andy (12:04):
Oh, okay. Yeah, this one's
very dry, but also.

Steve (12:08):
Yeah. Yeah. It's very factual. It's like. Yes. That is a
very good recap.

Andy (12:13):
Okay. That's the show then.

Steve (12:15):
Yeah. Thank you, everybody.

Leif (12:17):
Thanks for sending it.

Steve (12:18):
Yeah. Andy, everybody.

Leif (12:19):
Yes. The episode was written by
Amanda Lasher. This is her first of 13
episodes, so. First time we had a newbie in a little while here.

Steve (12:28):
Yeah.

Leif (12:29):
She looks like she kind of bounces around from writers room to writers
room because she, has, like, an episode or two and then, like, 13
episodes as a producer. So she's,
like, clearly in the writer's room.

Steve (12:39):
Yeah.

Leif (12:40):
Yeah. And then it was directed by
Von D. Curtis hall, who I had
no idea who this was, but if you bring up a picture, he's actually
an actor. He's a character actor, and I'm sure
you've seen him in something. The, thing that I recognized most
from was, the Romeo Juliet, the wise bourbon. He
was Captain Prince.

Andy (13:00):
He's a dare novel, too. He's like Ben Yurick.

Leif (13:02):
And, yeah, he's been in a million things.

Steve (13:04):
Yeah.

Leif (13:04):
and he's apparently he's just directed, like, maybe
1520 episodes of tv here and there. I, think
the most one was Firefly.
He directed the episode. R misses Reynolds.

Steve (13:15):
Oh, love that episode, too.

Andy (13:18):
Yeah, that's,
good for Vondi.

Steve (13:22):
Yeah. Right.

Leif (13:23):
So we move into act one.
Every girl fantasizes about finding her prince
charming, but it's that prince that refuses to come.
A girl has to take matters into her own
hands. The episode opens with Toronto
catching Blair walking the dog. In
Dawson's Creek's parlance.

Andy (13:41):
Yes, I caught that.

Steve (13:43):
Ok, so I didn't get to the reference, but
that makes sense.

Leif (13:47):
Yeah, it's the pilot episode.

Steve (13:49):
I read that to Robin and she said, I've never heard it
referred to that before.

Leif (13:53):
That's how they got. They got around the sensors that way. Oh,
they're the pilot episode.

Steve (13:57):
Great. Yeah.

Andy (13:58):
Dawson's was. He was masturbating to Katie Couric,
which is.

Leif (14:02):
Brings up so many edible, questions.

Steve (14:05):
That's so funny.

Andy (14:06):
Oh, yeah, because. Yeah, his mom is a reporter.

Steve (14:09):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's right. We watched some of
that. Also, Dorota. Why so
judgy?

Leif (14:15):
Like, you know, she comes from that
eastern european. Jack's
Catholic.

Steve (14:21):
God is always watching. And how do you, like.

Leif (14:26):
Yeah.

Andy (14:27):
Knows then. Right?

Steve (14:28):
Like, she's, like she. Yeah.

Andy (14:32):
Was, she listening? Like, or. She just has a 6th sense.

Steve (14:34):
That's what I was wondering. Like, how do you know what's going on
there? And that's.

Andy (14:38):
Maybe it's just her daily routine and I. And I
props the gossip girl for just, like, starting us off and
there's no judgment whatsoever. Of course.

Steve (14:46):
Yeah.

Andy (14:47):
Just like gotta do when the prince isn't
coming.

Steve (14:50):
Yeah.

Leif (14:53):
In Brooklyn, Dan and Rufus and eat
waffles. While Jenny appears to be more integral than ever
at Waldorf designs, she is chewing people out on the
phone like a seasoned pro. We also see Jenny
bump into a shirtless Nate who is still staying
with the humphries.

Steve (15:09):
I hate the hair. I hate
it.

Leif (15:13):
Jenny.

Steve (15:14):
The Jenny hair? Yeah.

Andy (15:15):
Yeah. No, Jenny hair is rough.

Leif (15:17):
Yeah.

Steve (15:18):
I mean, she.

Leif (15:19):
From rumors. It's. She, Taylor must have just kind of cut
her hair herself one day and showed up to set that way.

Steve (15:25):
It looks like a wig.

Leif (15:28):
Like, she came in and, like, she had cut it herself and they're
like, oh, crap. Let's see what we can do with this.

Andy (15:33):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like her. Yeah, her
Persona herself, like, was really going through shit the same
time so they, just made Jenny do this.

Leif (15:42):
And she never wanted to be an actress. Yeah, she was
forced into it by her parents.

Andy (15:46):
You can see this is, like, step one of her pretty reckless look.
Like, it doesn't.

Steve (15:50):
Yeah.

Andy (15:50):
Work. It doesn't work at all in this, but, like,
I eventually does.

Steve (15:54):
So she grows into it. Yeah, she really does.

Andy (15:57):
Like, you just need to let the hair grow a little bit and. But, yeah, she has
the, like, the raccoon makeup comes up.

Steve (16:02):
Yep.

Andy (16:03):
This is the first time that comes out.

Steve (16:05):
Yeah, this much. And.
And, like, it's a gradual. Just punk a
fication throughout the entire episode, too, that she
ends with, like, the leather jacket with studs and shit on
it, like Brian's, like a butterfly knife
in her pocket.
Yes.

Andy (16:23):
I wish. Yeah, I wanted to. We're gonna talk about
outfits, but I just want to say Nate Natal
is pretty tough to beat.

Steve (16:30):
Just gonna say.

Leif (16:31):
Oh, yeah.

Andy (16:35):
A lot of terrible fashion in this episode, even though
it's a fashion, like, centric one.
Like, I hate Jenny's dress. I wrote that down right
before. Like, well, we'll get to it. But anyway.
Yeah, the one she made, of.

Steve (16:48):
It's funny because I love that dress.

Andy (16:50):
Oh, really?

Steve (16:51):
Yeah, yeah.

Leif (16:52):
Chuck rolls up to Blair in his limo and continues to
taunt her about, saying those three little
words. They keep going with her back and forth.

Steve (17:00):
Yeah, she caved like that.
She just. Oh, all right, I don't have to say it. Okay, I'll
come on into the car.
It didn't take much to get her to the
door.

Andy (17:13):
They both do that, like, the whole episode, you know?

Steve (17:15):
Yeah, it's great.

Leif (17:17):
Jenny appears to be bonding with a model played by Will
Holland of the OC and Arrow fame.
Jenny is trying to learn from Eleanor in a
buyers meeting, but Eleanor seems to be blowing her off.

Steve (17:29):
Agnes instantly seems like bad news. Yeah.

Leif (17:32):
She seems fun, though.

Steve (17:33):
She does seem fun.

Andy (17:35):
She is. yeah, she's like the devil on the shoulder.

Steve (17:38):
Yeah.

Andy (17:38):
Like, I don't know. Like, there's. There's good in there, too,
because I like what she's saying a lot of the
time, you know?

Steve (17:45):
I like what she's saying. I don't like what she's
doing, you know? Yeah.

Andy (17:50):
Especially as we go on, like.

Steve (17:51):
Yeah, yeah. Like, she's saying
the great things, but she's not backing those things
up in the, like, immediately
and is very dangerous bubble. Yeah.

Andy (18:03):
Like, dangerous elements into the play.

Steve (18:05):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Andy (18:07):
But fuck Eleanor. Sorry.

Steve (18:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck Eleanor in this
because I've really had especially the
Jenny Eleanor relationship, I felt was.
Has been good. Yeah.

Leif (18:20):
Yeah. But I think. Yeah. I
mean, it's. It's a tough position for Eleanor. That, too.

Steve (18:25):
yeah. Yeah.

Leif (18:26):
all the buyers want are what she has, and.
Yeah. I mean, but it's still
fucked up what she's done.

Steve (18:32):
Yeah.

Andy (18:33):
Year old's work. Like, she's. Yeah, she's in trouble.

Leif (18:36):
Eleanor, so, yeah, she does some hard manipulation.

Steve (18:39):
Yeah.

Leif (18:40):
Nate steps into the atelier just to deliver
a binder Jenny left at home. After Nate leaves,
Jenny's new model friend points out that Nate totally
wants to do Jenny.

Steve (18:51):
She's not wrong. Yeah.

Andy (18:53):
Nope. Yeah. You could see it in his eyes. It's very
clear.

Steve (18:56):
You don't dry. You don't go. You don't take
the binder all the way to someone's work,
to. Yes. You're like,
you're into them. Yeah. At that
age, that's a, year into them.

Andy (19:10):
I mean, it could be a great friend move, but, like, I
mean, Dan's doing the same thing, like, he's being a friend just so he can stay
close.

Steve (19:16):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Andy (19:18):
It's not like. Yeah, I.
Yeah.

Leif (19:22):
Dan and Serena meet at school and still seem to
be in a good place. After the conversation last week, they
are interrupted by Blair, who needs help with her chuck
problem. Serena convinces Blair to let Dan
help.

Steve (19:35):
My note here is, oh, well, if Warren Buffett says
so.

Leif (19:39):
Yeah. there was so many good singers in the scene, yet
you have to help me destroy Chuck bass.
Just because you two are making the doomed attempt to
make to be friends doesn't mean I have to play
the enabler. And you need
help with getting Chuck to sleep with you. Really?

Steve (20:00):
And also, just lie and say it.
College guys have been doing that for years.
College guys have been getting away with that for years.

Leif (20:09):
you see Dan kind of disgusted, saying that. He
does make a disgusted face as he's saying it.

Andy (20:13):
Yeah, there's a lot of disgust in
the whole conversation, but I really like Dan and
Blair back and forth.

Leif (20:21):
their chemistry is always great.

Steve (20:22):
Yeah. A good Dan Blair team up works
for me. I do like their chemistry. I
do like, and there's.
There's even a moment later in the show where. Where you
just really see some, like, really good,
like, chemistry. Yeah.

Leif (20:41):
Next up, we get Eleanor manipulating Jenny into
offering to give Eleanor another one of Jenny's
designs. Sounds like Jenny has an all nighter ahead
of her.

Steve (20:50):
Fuck Eleanor with this.

Leif (20:52):
This is really.

Steve (20:54):
Yeah. Yeah.

Leif (20:55):
She was, just clearly manipulating.

Andy (20:58):
Yeah, well, it's just, like, I don't know.

Steve (21:01):
Yeah.

Andy (21:01):
I can't help but, you know, the power dynamic of that.
And, like, she's literally a 15 year old intern. She's
probably not getting. Not getting paid, and she's.
By doing that, she will be able to steal her designs.

Steve (21:12):
Yeah.

Andy (21:12):
And, like, just, you know, coming out of Hollywood, too, it's just like, oh,
God, all the alarm, all the different things. What are you
getting out of this, Jenny? And she's also making these false
promises, like, oh, the guy from Bloomingdale's who get to be in the
meeting.

Steve (21:25):
Yeah.

Leif (21:25):
Blair appears to take the advice to heart,
and let's see if Chuck falls for the bait. I know I
would.

Steve (21:32):
Yeah.

Leif (21:32):
Because blair acting like that. yeah.

Steve (21:35):
Yeah. Well, and what's really funny,
and I actually. Well, I'll wait till. Because I have the note for the next
scene, but because she kind of continues this
going on with this
spotted.

Leif (21:47):
Upper east side beauty laying down the gauntlet for her
favorite beast. But careful, princess. It's going
to take more than a little leg to get this prince to ravish
you. We move into act
two, and at the bar, Blair is
flirting hard, and Chuck calls out the
desperation.
E. That's rough for blair.

Steve (22:08):
Yeah.

Andy (22:09):
I like desperation as the name of a, cologne.

Steve (22:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It smells like
desperation.

Andy (22:15):
I feel that way whenever I. If I can smell
it, like, from far away, it's like. That's what it is. Yeah.

Steve (22:21):
Yeah. And Dan's advice was
always be around, always be present.
It wasn't throw yourself at
him and, like, grab his. Grab his
crotch at a restaurant. Like, it was
like, be there so he's. So
you're always in his field of vision. Yeah.

Andy (22:42):
Right. It was kind of teased, but not like.

Leif (22:44):
But Blair doesn't do half measures.

Steve (22:46):
Yeah. Yeah.

Andy (22:48):
So I think Dan's advice was right. Rather than her
disappearing.

Steve (22:52):
No. Yeah.

Leif (22:53):
Serena shows up the gallery looking for Dan and meets
Rufus new artist Aaron Rose. The pair
seemed to be getting on quite well. So what do we think of
Aaron?

Steve (23:03):
I'm really glad that Serena didn't
have anything to put in her mouth, because that's
how she flirts. Cause she flirts by trying
to sexy lick martini glasses
or eat strawberries in a way no one ever eats
strawberries. I was worried she's gonna lick the
wall.

Andy (23:24):
That's a great note. That's really funny.

Steve (23:25):
Yeah.

Andy (23:26):
Cause she's very obvious. Like, she's there flirting
and in. I. You know, it's hard to be. Not
hate Aaron Rose just for where it goes. But I just. I
like him anyway.

Leif (23:36):
Like, he's kind of flat. He's just
kind of there. He's Dan light, but, like,
Serena has a type. Yeah.

Steve (23:44):
Yeah, absolutely.

Andy (23:46):
I'm like, dan really does.

Steve (23:48):
Like, the boring. Dan's, like,
well, the artist.

Andy (23:52):
But, like, I'll talk about his arc when we get to the
gallery because I'm like, what?

Leif (23:59):
and another part of the gallery, Dan and Vanessa
are chatting when Dan gets a call from Blaire.
Dan gives Blair some additional advice on her
quest to bag a bass.
yeah. And, of course, that's a
judgy reaction to him getting the call from
Blair.

Andy (24:19):
Yeah, but this is post, you know,
her getting ruined recently. Right. So.

Leif (24:24):
But she brought that on herself. She just.
Out of nowhere.

Steve (24:28):
Thank you.

Andy (24:30):
No one's innocent. Like,
better. Same with Dan, but. And they're. They're all. They're all
shit. That's the.

Steve (24:38):
Yeah, she just sucks at, like, I
just. Because, like, Dan
with the whole, like, oh, I need to take this. I felt like he was just trying
to get out of the conversation with Vanessa.

Leif (24:50):
we talked about this last week, but in the first
season, Vanessa was
kind of a good person, but she was
forced into every situation,
and that made the audience hate her. But
starting with that last episode, we felt the writers kind of
leaned into her being a villain, being that.

Andy (25:10):
Yeah, I think that's true. I think that makes sense.

Leif (25:13):
And that is more and more as the show goes on, I think.

Andy (25:15):
Well, yeah. And it's kind of like they just don't know what to do with
her. They put her in there, for some. I mean, I guess
for. I mean, honestly, diversity purposes or
something. But also, like, okay, let's add more love triangle
stuff. That doesn't really.

Leif (25:30):
So Vanessa is a character in the books, but
she goes to school with everyone else, and
she's rich, but she's also an outsider. Her
and Dan are kind of like the edgy
poets who smoke a million cigarettes a day.

Andy (25:44):
That sounds like what's his name, too. Aaron Rose would be.

Steve (25:47):
Yeah. Yeah.

Andy (25:49):
I was going to say a note about the, like, phone thing. Like, especially with. I
mean, we're going to talk about. Well, I guess it's the next thing. But, like, people
are just so on their phones. It's obviously gossip girl. But,
like, how rude are we? You know, we're with each other. Let's
see.
Like, do you really look at the phone?

Steve (26:06):
I actually have a note for later on that says
that people in 2008 didn't turn their ringers
off. Yes. Who has their ringer
on that much?

Andy (26:16):
It's a plot device, so they need to. Right, right.

Steve (26:20):
I also feel, though, in 2008, it was kind of a status
thing. Like, you had a cell phone and
you're.

Leif (26:26):
You had the cool ringtone and you.

Steve (26:28):
Had the cool ringtone. Yeah.

Andy (26:30):
And someone wanted to talk to you and it.
Look.

Steve (26:34):
Yeah, I'm texting now.
Yeah, that's true.

Andy (26:37):
That all checks.

Steve (26:38):
Yeah.

Leif (26:39):
I had this Zelda theme song as my ring ten. I was
pretty proud of that one.

Steve (26:44):
I actually programmed one. I had a phone that
you could program a ringtone, and I put in one of my original
songs as my own ringtone.
That was neat.

Andy (26:54):
Are you going to share that in the show notes?
I want to listen to it. I just.

Steve (27:00):
Well, it's funny. Well, because it was an old
Nokia phone, so it could only do, like, one. Noted.
Like,
but if you actually. My album on Spotify, it's actually
called Crimson poses. The whole song is on Spotify,
but it was just the melody for it on a Nokia
phone.

Andy (27:20):
Nice. Good plug. Mine was boom, boom, boom by
the vanguard boys.

Steve (27:24):
Oh, yes.

Andy (27:26):
Which is, wild and inappropriate.

Leif (27:29):
Dan comes to grab Serena to go out to eat and
clears up with, Aaron that they are not currently
dating.
We used to date, but we're not anymore. Totally not dating.
We're just friends.

Steve (27:43):
Yep.

Andy (27:45):
I'm out of this. Fuck these people.

Steve (27:49):
I didn't have a note for this scene. There are several scenes in
this episode that I felt just went nowhere.
In general, I felt this episode didn't
go anywhere. But we'll
get to that more later. But that's one of these scenes that
I just.

Leif (28:06):
Okay, well, I feel this is another transition
episode.

Steve (28:10):
Yeah.

Leif (28:11):
We kind of finished up the arcs we were doing before. Now we're going
into the next kind of set of arc.

Steve (28:16):
I think, going into it knowing it was going to be the
Chuck Blair episode eight
of the season, I was expecting
at least a little bit more.

Leif (28:26):
No, seven's the Chuck Blair episode.
Oh, the one we just did.

Steve (28:31):
Well, they had a big episode here too.

Leif (28:33):
Yeah. Did you, guys catch on to that at all?
There's episodes in each season that are kind
of seven. Or Chuck and Blair ten. Or Dan and
Serena at 18 or Dan and Blair.

Andy (28:46):
Honestly, no. Well done. I, mean,
I feel like we identified the patterns, but we didn't
necessarily do the. Like, the numerology.

Leif (28:54):
But I love that we talk about
this a lot. The writers, while the
writing is not good, they know, like,
a lot of things about writing.

Steve (29:04):
Yeah.

Leif (29:05):
And they just drop in, like, all these little nuggets and stuff into the
show.

Steve (29:08):
We often say that they'd be great writing teachers
that, like. And I'm a writing. As a former writing
teacher, I'm saying, like, I'm not trying
to knock the knock writing teachers, but they really know
a lot of the tricks to writing and
know the tricks to good writing. It's
the actual dialogue and pen to paper

(29:28):
stuff that it's like that they get hung up
on.

Andy (29:32):
And there is a lot of leaning on the classic
tropes, but, I mean, that's kind of the tricks of, like, oh, someone's
listening in on someone, or someone just shows up, or, you
know, like the classic, ooh, someone read the text message.
Like, that's half the show.

Steve (29:45):
Yeah, exactly.

Leif (29:47):
Now, were you a fan of the.

Andy (29:50):
I was, yeah.

Leif (29:52):
Did you read or listen
to the, oral history that came out last year?

Andy (29:57):
I did not.

Leif (29:59):
Oh, yeah. It was the 20th anniversary.
It's worth getting the audiobook as Josh Schwartz,
Stephanie Savage, melinda, Clark,
Rachel Bilson all read their own parts, on
the audiobook, but it's kind of like the behind the
scenes, and I'm really hoping we get that for
Gossip girl in a couple years for their 20th anniversary.

Andy (30:19):
That that would be great. Yeah.

Leif (30:22):
Because, like, I have. I have a ton of theories of all the. What's
going on behind the scenes, and because
it's well known that Josh Schwartz reads message
boards, but also, he basically left
the show by the end of the first season,
right?

Andy (30:36):
Yeah. Did he. I mean, was this. Is he on Chuck right
now, then?

Leif (30:40):
Yeah, they were. They were at the same time. And he definitely
focused more on Chuck. because.

Steve (30:44):
Yeah.

Leif (30:45):
Bigger network. Plus, I think he was just kind of bored with teen dramas at that
point.

Andy (30:49):
Right. He'd already done the other ones. Yeah, I was a Chuck fan, so
I. Yeah.

Leif (30:52):
That's good. Yeah, this is good show. At least for a few
seasons.

Steve (30:55):
Yeah.

Leif (30:56):
Jenny and Agnes are out grabbing an,
after work drink, and Agnes, like everyone else, loves
Jenny's dress. The girls trade outfits, then
meet up with Agnes's friend Max.
don't like Max.

Andy (31:11):
No photos that much.

Steve (31:13):
It's creepy. Yeah.

Leif (31:15):
And take a picture of the 15 year old girl
who's, at a bar.

Steve (31:19):
The 15 year old girl at a bar drinking, like,
and what do you like? Didn't you just say, oh, I'm gonna have to
work on this all night, and now you're at a fucking bar?
Like, what the fuck is, going on
in your head?

Leif (31:33):
She's 15.

Steve (31:34):
Yeah, but, like, she.

Andy (31:35):
When you do. When you.

Steve (31:36):
Yeah.

Leif (31:37):
And this older girls do tell her, come out, Marty.

Steve (31:40):
I mean, come on.

Andy (31:41):
This older model, I would have said.

Leif (31:43):
I totally would.

Andy (31:45):
Well, and she's the model also, and, like, is
playing the, like, ooh, I know that. I mean, she knows the
industry. She has connections. That's what Max is, right?

Steve (31:54):
Yeah.

Andy (31:54):
And that's so gross and scary about
it because it's like, oh, Jenny, this is another
way, another path, especially since Eleanor right now is.
Doesn't seem like, the right fit more because she's
exploiting Jenny. So it's like, I feel
for Jenny a lot, and, I mean, obviously,
Jenny doesn't act very well in the show ever, but

(32:14):
she's a child, and the show is very
predatory, toward her throughout.

Steve (32:19):
Yeah. Yeah.

Leif (32:21):
Jenny's, my favorite character.

Andy (32:23):
Nice.

Steve (32:24):
Yeah.

Leif (32:25):
Dan and Serena are, trying to have a
conversation but keep getting interrupted by Blair's
status update texts.

Steve (32:35):
This was another one of those,
you know, they're trying to force Dan and Serena together
to this conversation. And then the cell
phone going off, it's just. It didn't seem
necessary. Like, it just felt forced and
unnecessary.

Andy (32:50):
yeah, I agree. I don't think it. I mean, it didn't really build any
tension other than, like, yeah, Dan's annoyed by it
or, like, doesn't fit in this, but he's. He's playing the game because
he wants to be with Serena, so.

Steve (33:00):
Yeah.

Andy (33:00):
Like, I think we've already hit that note several
times, but, yeah, I'm with you.

Leif (33:05):
Chuck comes home, a crumpled paper bag of
porn in hand to find Blair relaxing in
Serena's room. Blair almost gets what she
wants, but Chuck discovers the text conversation with
Serena and managed to. Once again, cool is
jets.

Steve (33:19):
This is the. This is where I had the cell phone note because
the text messages that keep going off.

Andy (33:25):
Yeah, yeah.

Leif (33:25):
The show is really, going hard on the masturbation on this
episode, though.

Steve (33:29):
Yeah. Yeah, they are.

Andy (33:31):
The seduction. Like, lingerie was one of my other,
like, favorite outfits. is that where we are
right there?

Steve (33:38):
Yeah, yeah, of course.

Leif (33:39):
Chuck's the guy who goes out and buy,
gets poured and gets it in a big paper
bag that looks super chic.
This is 2008, and he had the Internet.

Andy (33:51):
Yeah, no, it was very weird, but it seems like
something he would do.

Steve (33:55):
I like that. Right? The guy that really, like,
idolizes old school, like, yeah. You
know, playboys and
gangsters.

Andy (34:04):
Yeah, maybe that was, like, a vintage issue. Like,
he went shopping and, like, tried to really, like he
was.

Leif (34:10):
Eight millimeter film.

Steve (34:11):
Yeah, I'd like the 1972
December shootdev.

Leif (34:17):
Right.
He would find, JFK and Marilyn Monroe's sex
tape. Yeah, buddy, go meet her fill.

Andy (34:25):
Oh, man, that's a worthwhile
search.

Steve (34:28):
Yeah.

Leif (34:32):
we get a photo montage of Jenny with
Agnes wearing Jenny's dress. Then she. The
scene cuts to them sitting at the bar. Agnes
friend Max gets super creepy super quick.
And Jenny bails for the party, but forgets to get her dressed
before Agnes leaves.

Steve (34:48):
Yeah, so fucking creepy.

Leif (34:51):
Good for Jenny for getting out of that situation.

Steve (34:53):
Yes.

Leif (34:53):
Shame she didn't. Wasn't a little quicker with a
dress?

Steve (34:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andy (34:58):
She. I mean, she shouldn't have swapped dresses so
quickly. It's the same thing, same problem with
Eleanor.

Leif (35:04):
That means they got, like, naked in a bar bathroom.
Yeah, it's kind of.

Andy (35:09):
That was not a good bathroom, I imagine.
but of course, they all fit the same. Everyone's
like, oh, of course.

Steve (35:17):
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Andy (35:19):
Although I guess they have similar builds. They're both just, like, tall,
skinny.

Steve (35:22):
Yeah.

Andy (35:23):
I don't know.

Leif (35:24):
Sorry, Jay, but in the real world, you can't take a
note to the principal when the drunken model eats your homework.
The next morning, Agnes delivers the dress to a
frustrated Jenny. Agnes advises her not
to just hand it over her work to Eleanor.
Good advice, I think.

Steve (35:42):
Yeah, yeah. And that line
that, she's like. Or they're gonna say that your stuff looks like
Eleanor's. You know, like.

Andy (35:50):
Yeah, yeah, no, exactly. Like, once
Eleanor takes credit for that one, and that's her
style, you're kind of screwed. It, needs
to be a collab. It needs to be like,
yeah, no, she is being taken advantage of, and I think there's just a
way to thread the needle. Maybe that's a pun
intended, but, I don't know, I just like. Yeah,
I like what Agnes is saying, but she's also

(36:13):
just why we trust in this lady who was
such an asshole to you. She's so fake, just like everyone.

Steve (36:19):
Yeah, yeah. And
she's coming across as fake and also like,
aren't you sabotaging your own career by,
like, telling that you're modeling
for the Waldorf company and now you're telling one of
their, like, interns? No, fuck
this place. You should be doing your own thing.
Like, that doesn't seem like a good career move.

(36:42):
Cause Eleanor is pretty picky about who she works with.

Leif (36:45):
Well, she is, like, 17, so she's on her way out at this.

Steve (36:47):
Point, she's already retirement age
fair.

Andy (36:52):
I mean, or it, like, shows. I mean, how it shows to
Jenny is like, oh, my God, this person's legit. And, like, sees something
in me. And. But also, if we trust Agnes is, like,
knowing anything about this world, it shows really
poorly on Eleanor. Right. That she actually sees Jenny as a better
investment for her, you know? Like,
that's why she's doing it.

Steve (37:11):
Right.

Andy (37:11):
Like, this has to help Agnes or Max. Like, because
it's, like some cult thing or, you know, whatever.

Steve (37:17):
Yeah.

Andy (37:17):
but, yeah, it is wild. Like, I was thinking
about that, too. Like, what other jobs is she doing? As she knows all these
people at nylon or whatever?

Steve (37:25):
Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah.

Leif (37:27):
they gave that, like, a lot of the casted interviews with that magazine,
so I think they're kind of hooked in with the show.

Andy (37:33):
Yeah.

Leif (37:35):
Serena brings Blair to Brooklyn for more advice from
Dan, but really, she was just using as excuse to
see Aaron again.

Steve (37:41):
No notes.

Leif (37:42):
Yeah, yeah.

Andy (37:44):
Do we like. Well, I mean, I guess I was going to talk about the Blair
outfit, the Joker outfit. Do we like the Joker
outfit?

Steve (37:51):
Yeah, I was thrown by that. Yeah.

Andy (37:56):
Yeah. They would have worked separately. Like, they were both a
good top, a good bottom, but, like, together, it's just like.

Steve (38:02):
Yeah, yeah, very. Yeah. It was kind of jarring
and, Yeah. And I felt
like it was trying to almost do a mix of
her style and Chuck style because Chuck is so
purple. Right. So much of the time,
and it didn't. It didn't work.

Andy (38:18):
Oh, maybe that was sort of what it was. It was like this half and half
this, like. And that's why it didn't work, because she's
in there, like, on opposite ends of this.
Not. There's not a blend of it or.

Steve (38:29):
Yeah, yeah.

Andy (38:30):
Other. Or, They're losing themselves in this game.

Steve (38:33):
Yeah, yeah, I did that. I did find
that the outfit caught my eye enough to be
symbolic.

Leif (38:39):
So Aaron and Serena flirt
for a bit while we see a nice conversation between Dan and
Blair. We once again see Blair get vulnerable
with Dan.

Steve (38:49):
Yeah, I was waiting for her to pull out strawberries
again and just start sexy eating.

Leif (38:54):
Serena.

Steve (38:54):
Serena. Yeah.

Leif (38:55):
But, yeah, the player getting vulnerable with that
is a, reference to, 104 with bad, news.
Blair.

Steve (39:02):
Yeah, yeah, I always. Yeah, go
ahead, Andy.

Andy (39:05):
Oh, no, no, no. I was just going to say that I really. I just
like, there's something nice about that vulnerability
that we don't see from Blair ever. But, like, she hates
Dan, yet she is just sort of very,
like, honest and real in a way that even.

Leif (39:19):
Like, I, guess she just doesn't care what he. What he thinks
at all at this point.

Steve (39:24):
But I feel like there's this moment in the end of that
conversation, too, where you see her
look at him differently, and you can see that she's
seeing him differently. And I, And again,
I mean, that's Leighton Meester just fucking
crushing the acting chops every
step of the way. But she just really conveyed that,

(39:44):
like, switch that changed in
her, the way she looked at him.

Leif (39:49):
And I actually did write down this quote from Dan.
You have to decide what's more important to you.
Keeping your pride in getting nothing or taking a
risk and maybe. Maybe having
everything. I thought that was a really good line.

Steve (40:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andy (40:04):
He's right.

Steve (40:05):
You know, it's like, think about that sometimes.

Andy (40:08):
M he should follow his own advice. Yeah.

Steve (40:11):
Yeah, yeah.

Andy (40:14):
I loved it. And I also. I just think
I like what you're saying about Blair having that moment of
seeing Dan in a new light. I think there's. It's almost like
a, oh, I can see why Serena maybe likes this guy
and keeps him around, but it's also like, oh, he might actually be
useful.

Steve (40:30):
She sees value in him. Yes.

Andy (40:34):
That's how players everyone.

Steve (40:36):
Yeah, that was actually one of the. One of
the phrasings that I use talking about it with. With
Robin. Yeah. She sees value in
him.

Andy (40:44):
Now, side note,
I just find it hilarious that. Okay, so Steve is my dad's
name. Robin is my sister's name. And I just
was like, oh, and then we also. I'm just
like, plus we got Aaron and
Aaron.

Leif (40:59):
Yeah, yeah, Aaron and Aaron.

Andy (41:01):
Yeah, exactly. I'm just like, we're all over the
place. A lot of magic going.

Leif (41:07):
at the atelier, Eleanor
shuts Jenny down again. Jenny
has had enough. Jenny takes her
metaphorical ball and goes home,
grabs the dress, and. Yeah, even the
original one from the two weeks ago.

Steve (41:23):
Yeah, the green.

Andy (41:24):
Yeah.

Steve (41:24):
I really liked this scene. I thought
that it was, first of all, these are two,
again, really powerhouse actors. Two of the better
actors on the show go. And I really
love when they have scenes together, and this is their
first real con, a, big conflict.
Yeah. And I. And where both
of them make good points and both

(41:47):
of them are speaking very true
things, and. And so it just is
a very honest, real world
sort of momentous. It was a very
gripping moment. I felt probably the best scene in the. In
the episode.

Andy (42:02):
I was. Yeah, I was just kind of like, I agree.
They both have good points, but I just, like, Eleanor says it herself. Like,
why is she giving all this responsibility to a child?

Steve (42:11):
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andy (42:14):
You know, it's your fault, Eleanor. That's what. You're the boss,
and you're.

Steve (42:18):
Yeah, it does come down to Eleanor needed to be the
grown up all along, but she was taking advantage of this,
kidde, and. And I don't know that
Eleanor really fully would have put it in those
words until that moment. And I think that Eleanor kind of
realized what she was doing in that moment, too,
but wasn't going to stop doing it.

Andy (42:37):
Yeah, I hope so. I don't know if I. If I.
If she's learned that lesson yet. Maybe, like, once she's.

Steve (42:42):
Yeah.

Andy (42:43):
Out the door, you're like, oh, what have I done? I did go a
little better. Yeah.

Steve (42:47):
Once she loses the
designer, that's. That's going to keep her company
afloat, you know? Like.

Andy (42:54):
Exactly.

Leif (42:55):
Yeah. The only one selling stuff.

Steve (42:57):
Yeah.

Leif (43:00):
Blair once again decides to take Dan's advice
as she texts Chuck, implying she will tell him she
loves him tonight. yeah, let's say she's
gonna take the advice, see what happens.

Andy (43:11):
Maybe. We'll see. But Chuck's purple,
vast, and pleated pants. Great outfit.

Leif (43:16):
Nice.

Steve (43:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Leif (43:23):
We move into act three at the gallery,
Dan and Rufus are admiring a successful
opening. Blair and Serena shows up, and for
a second, Rufus thinks there's something going on with
Dan.

Steve (43:35):
Blair, he refers to her as
that girl. That girl has been here twice
in one day.

Leif (43:42):
Of course. Yeah.

Andy (43:43):
That's actually.

Leif (43:43):
Of course that means we're having sex.

Steve (43:45):
Yeah.

Leif (43:45):
Way to go, Rufus.

Steve (43:47):
Yep.

Andy (43:48):
Fair. I think that's a fair assumption, you know, based on the
show and these people. But also, I like, that's. It's funny that that's
how, like, Blair would talk about Rufus like, that man.
We're like, it's the same.

Leif (43:57):
Yeah.

Steve (43:58):
Yeah. Although she'd
do it. She would be more like that washed up
80, that washed up rock star from the nineties.

Leif (44:09):
Blair and Serena informed Dan that Blair is going
to tell Chuck her feelings at the opening tonight. However,
she is nervous and in need of a drink.
Oh, I'll go get that for you.

Steve (44:21):
Yeah.

Leif (44:24):
She doesn't really ask, but she's like. She asked
without asking.

Steve (44:27):
Yeah. She tells him that. Yeah, it was.
I loved it.

Leif (44:31):
Dan goes to fetch her drink. When he bumps into
Vanessa. V. Informs Dan about Chuck and Blair's
rule intention scheme from last episode.

Steve (44:40):
Yeah. How dare they get mad at me. For
blackmail. How dare Blair get bad at
back at me for blackmailing her?
Like, Vanessa, that whole thing happened
because you went to Blair and blackmailed her.
If you never did that, they
never scheme against you,

(45:01):
as Chuck likes to.

Leif (45:02):
Say about that I don't think about you.

Steve (45:04):
Yeah.

Leif (45:06):
Aaron asks Serena out. Serena, after a
glance towards Dan, tells Aaron she isn't dating
right now. He gives her a mysterious riddle and
walks away.

Andy (45:16):
Cecil the caterpillar.

Steve (45:17):
Yeah. Cecil the caterpillar.

Leif (45:19):
What is going on here?

Steve (45:20):
But this is where when he talks about his dog
mookie, and he says, my
mookie? My dog mookie. My mom or my
grandma named him. He. She's a big Mets fan.
My wife trying to flirt with me goes,
mookie bets. And I'm like, no, it's like,
it's. I appreciate the attempt, but it's
actually Mookie Wilson from the Mets. the Mets

(45:43):
outfielder from. From the.
Throughout the eighties, and then he was a first
base coach throughout, like, the. The late
nineties, early two thousands.
So Mookie Wilson. Not that mo.
Or. And it's also not Mookie Blaylock. My wife was like, there's
seriously more than one person named Mookie? Like,
there's at least three athletes named Mookie.

Leif (46:06):
Yeah.

Steve (46:07):
and the Pearl Jam's original name
was Mookie Blaylock because they are big. Mookie
Blaylock fans.

Leif (46:14):
Did not know that.

Steve (46:15):
Yeah.

Andy (46:16):
That's a fun tidbit.

Steve (46:18):
Yeah.

Andy (46:19):
Can we talk a little bit about Aaron Rose's art here?

Leif (46:22):
Sure.

Steve (46:23):
Oh, go for it.

Andy (46:24):
This is a hit show. This is a hit gallery opening. Like, Rufus
says. Like, oh, this makes all my other ones look like shit, basically.

Steve (46:30):
Like, yeah, I.

Andy (46:31):
It's very impressive. Like, this guy's, like, 20, you know,
whatever it is. But I'm looking at it, and it's like, from
what I could understand, it was a glowing orb in the middle that
kind of went blue and red or changed colors, and then
there's just a bunch of words on the wall, which
they were never clear enough to read or never
interesting enough to remember, you know, like.

(46:51):
But it was like a text. And as far as I could tell,
that was the art exhibit. Like, was
it like, what the fuck is
this?

Leif (47:00):
Well, it's like, whenever you get a glimpse of
Dan's writing.

Andy (47:05):
Yeah.

Leif (47:06):
We just have to accept that it's brilliant.

Steve (47:08):
And Jenny's designs.

Andy (47:11):
That's true. I mean, you. Yeah. Sorry. I did not
like Jenny's designs. But you're all about it. So I'm glad.

Steve (47:16):
I mean, this. Ah, not all of her designs.
And we've gone back and forth on them, too. Like. Like,
the green dress that she still takes at the end.
I hate it. But. But I think you really like
that one, right?

Leif (47:29):
I mean, it's a couture dress, so it's, like,
it's not something you actually.

Steve (47:34):
Wear, which means custom.

Leif (47:36):
That's not something you actually wear.

Andy (47:38):
Yeah, but I feel like those are, like,
there is utility. There is artistry in the m making of those.
This. Yeah. I don't know. There was something with the microphones at the
beginning where, like.

Leif (47:48):
Yeah.

Steve (47:49):
Yeah.

Leif (47:49):
Cause, like, he's. Like, he wants to listen to what everyone's saying about his
art.

Steve (47:52):
Yeah, but we're never really creepy.

Andy (47:54):
Yeah, well, it's creepy, so, like, yeah,
potentially could be interesting if, like, the whole thing is just
everyone judging his art. Like, that's actually kind of funny
and really brave, like, wants
that, and it's just this, like, weird
bouncing around of people talking, but it's not that at all,
so I don't, like, that. Never comes back. So. m but,
yeah, I know. It's just sort of, like, ooh, it's abstract, and look at how

(48:17):
cool he is.

Steve (48:18):
Yeah. Yeah, he's got a big ball. Yeah, he's
got,
you mentioned him being, like, 20 or something, but
they. They say that he went. He
went to Rhode Island.
Rhode island school of design with
Max. Right?

Andy (48:37):
Yes.

Steve (48:38):
So they. They both
went to that school, implying that they
graduated, which would imply
closer to, like,
2221-2223
a certain thing for them.

Andy (48:52):
M. It would be, an artist thing to, like, you know,
drop out and start a, you know, like, do his work.

Leif (48:58):
Right. It is an art school.

Andy (49:01):
Well, but, like, maybe he's just like, oh, I'm better than
risti.

Leif (49:05):
Well, that's where my big point is.

Steve (49:08):
Let's just put a pin on that for the. For the
caterpillar thing that we get to later on.

Andy (49:14):
Yes. I see what you're dropping.

Steve (49:16):
Yes. Yeah.

Leif (49:21):
Serena gives Blair some last minute encouragement.
However, before Blair can go meet Chuck on the roof, Dan
stops her to poison the water, intentionally killing
Blair's confidence.

Steve (49:31):
You don't want your obituary to say you died in
Brooklyn.

Leif (49:38):
Serena knows her so well.

Steve (49:40):
Yeah, the zingers in this
episode were on point. Yeah, I will give it
that. There are a lot of great one liners.

Leif (49:49):
Jenny shows up at the gallery ready to confess to
Rufus about losing her job, but Agnes is there to
intercept her. Agnes paints a picture of
fame and fortune, luring Jenny back towards
the dark side.

Andy (50:02):
Yeah. I mean, I'd probably be screwed by Agnes
because I'd be like, ooh, nylon wants to run a feature. Like,
okay, yeah, but, like, I totally
had Jenny's. Like, I'm 15. I don't have a job. Like, what do you. I
don't have any money. But, no, Agnes is, She's got
something, you know? I believes me. That's what I'm. That's what
if I'm Jenny, I'm like, oh, my God, I just want to be believed in.

Steve (50:22):
When I was, like, 20, I worked at this
restaurant with a. With a cook who was like, oh, yeah. And
I also. He heard that I was working on,
like, a screenplay or something, for a course in college or
something, and he, Or that I was interested in
film or whatever, and he's like, oh, I write for
this for a magazine. I write for sight

(50:42):
and sound, the film magazine. I'll show you some stuff.
I'm like, oh, cool. And so, like, we. He
told me, like, oh, yes, we're going to go to this party, like, get your
stuff. Where, do you mind driving? And I'm like, no, not at all.
He takes me to this bar up in North
Jersey, and he introduces me to someone
that he calls will Eisner, saying that he's introducing

(51:02):
me to will Eisner of Disney fame.
And this dude that he introduces me to
is, like, in his, like,
fifties, long, gray,
like, rocker hair. This
dude, like, was by no means
will Eisner or any kind of. I

(51:23):
mean, it turns out that I was there to drive this guy so he
could buy his coke.
So when I see Agnes, I
just keep thinking, like, where's
the coke?

Andy (51:36):
100%. Agnes. That is like, you
had an agnes in your life. I'm sorry.

Steve (51:41):
I really did.

Leif (51:42):
Yeah.

Andy (51:48):
And that was, like, Max that he.

Steve (51:49):
She.

Andy (51:50):
The guy introduced you to.

Steve (51:51):
Yeah, right. Yeah.
Unreal. Yeah, exactly.

Leif (51:57):
Nate is.

Steve (51:58):
Yeah.

Leif (51:58):
Nate is talking to Jenny as she is getting ready to
leave with Max and Agnese. Nate is rightfully
concerned about a much older max, the good guy.
Nate, looking out.

Steve (52:08):
Yeah, Nate is doing a lot of. Oh,
go ahead, please.

Andy (52:12):
No, no, you go for it. I interrupted.

Steve (52:13):
Go. No, I was just going to say he does a lot of big
brother stuff in this. Yeah, like. Like, he's
very big brotherly. And we know that,
you know, we know how it turns out, and we know how it
started, like, coming out of the bathroom and just their
history together. But there is a lot of, like, big
bro stuff. I feel.

Leif (52:33):
Yeah. I think that the bad. The coming out of the bats is kind
of supposed to imply that they've been in close
quarters for, like, a week or so now.

Steve (52:41):
Yeah.

Leif (52:41):
Like, things have been building up.

Steve (52:42):
Yeah, yeah, I got that.

Andy (52:44):
Well, and. Yeah. But it all clearly was like, ooh, we're
awkward. And there's some. You know, I like this
moment they both had.

Leif (52:51):
we are not related, but we are in a situation
where related people are normally.

Steve (52:56):
Yeah.

Andy (52:58):
Much better. Yeah.

Steve (53:01):
And we're. And we're both very beautiful.
Yes.

Andy (53:06):
Yeah. I would say that, like, yeah, he's being very big brothery. But I
also know why that comes off as annoying and why it does
not work, you know, because he is like. And
again, we also know his intentions kind of too. So,
like, I mean, sort of like, we find.

Leif (53:20):
I don't think. I don't think they really even
realizes that he has feelings yet. he has them, but I don't think
he realizes.

Steve (53:26):
Yeah. Yeah.

Leif (53:27):
Until she kisses them. I don't.

Andy (53:29):
Nice, farah.

Leif (53:30):
Yeah, they should. Not very. He can't pick up his own
feelings, let alone other people.

Steve (53:34):
Yeah. I guess when he says to her, when she
asks. Well, we'll get to that.

Andy (53:39):
Yeah, I think you're right. Nate can only do one thing at
once. Or, like, can carry one, like, idea, one
training thought.

Steve (53:45):
Yeah, he's
not.

Andy (53:49):
That's what's happening. Like, this is bad.

Steve (53:51):
He's not that deep.

Leif (53:54):
Yeah.

Andy (53:54):
No, also, at least this is in the right
place. Here,

Leif (54:00):
On the roof, we find Dan clearly got into Blair's
head, who is now hesitant to confess her feelings to
chuck. You can cut the tension with a knife.
Still, neither Chuck nor Blair are, ready to be the first
one to say those three little words.

Andy (54:14):
So frustrating.

Steve (54:16):
Yeah. Ed Westwick,
keep the Batman voice. Cause you start.
Your britain starts showing through when you start
losing the bat. When he starts, like, going into
regular talking or tries to yell, it just. He
starts slipping right back into it. Yeah,
you can start hearing those little bits. It

(54:36):
is.

Andy (54:37):
Yeah. I wish they'd stop playing games, but that's the
show.

Steve (54:41):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sorry. We've got at least three more seasons.
Four more. See? Four and a half.

Leif (54:49):
Yeah. Nate asks Aaron about Max, who basically
confirms he's a scumbag. Also interesting that Aaron doesn't
really consider that a big deal. As long as Max isn't hurting someone he
cares about. But I doubt the show has the software
awareness. Back in 2008.

Steve (55:03):
Yes.

Andy (55:05):
You could go no for it.

Steve (55:06):
No, I just have that if. If he's not a
good guy when he's dating your sister, he's not a good guy.

Leif (55:12):
Yeah.

Andy (55:13):
That was literally my note. I just. Yeah, you
just, like, fuck you, Aaron, for whatever that is.
Like, that says a lot about this guy, guys.

Leif (55:22):
Yeah.

Andy (55:23):
Yeah. And that's totally. I. You know, I've been around those
guys. I've been in those groups, too, where it's just like, we have,
like, there's this, like, tunnel vision
thing, and to be like, oh, right. He's my
bro. Like, he's my.

Steve (55:36):
He supports looking out for him. Yeah.
Ah, yeah. And the bro code and all that
and all that shit. And it's like, you know, yeah, sure, he
leaves a wake of women with PTSD, but,
like, he's. Other than that, he's a good guy.

Leif (55:52):
He watched. He picked up the tag last
week.

Andy (55:57):
Drink with if you're a dude. But everyone else, like,
that's it. Yeah, no, it's a. Alarm bells in that
scene, especially. Especially as we go. I was like, oh,
no.

Steve (56:06):
Yeah.

Andy (56:07):
yeah.

Leif (56:08):
Blair tells Serena that her rendezvous with Chuck was
a complete failure and leaves the party.
Dan admits to Serena that he had a part in Chuck and Blair's
blow up, which infuriates Serena.

Steve (56:22):
His attitude.
Yeah, his attitude of, like, entitlement, of,
like, oh, yeah. I just did this thing to teach them a lesson.

Leif (56:33):
I mean, that's something they would do, too, though. So,
yeah, I get both sides of this. Like,
it's Blair. I mean, Serena, like, completely
brushes off the fact that they screw with. With Vanessa.

Steve (56:44):
Yeah.

Andy (56:45):
Right. And she doesn't know, like, what you're saying, the backstory of that,
you know, like. Or that maybe Vanessa had some part in it, but,
yeah, there is this sort of sense of, like, we can fuck up
your shit, but you can't because you're poor.

Steve (56:56):
Yeah.

Andy (56:56):
Like, that, that's kind of what it is. You're Dan. You don't get
to do this. And I. But I also. Yeah, like, Dan,
of course, has the holier than thou. Like, I got to do it. But I
I I also think Serena shouldn't be judgy because, like, why is she
involving him in the first place?

Leif (57:09):
Like, yeah.

Steve (57:10):
Yeah. I think that my issue with Dan was the way
he went to Serena with just like, oh, yeah, I did this
thing. Like, yeah, obviously that's what I was doing and
not. Why would you be. Why would you say anything about it?
Like. Like, just this casual, like, well,
m. Yeah, of course that I was like, proud of himself.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A little proud of himself.

(57:30):
Like, you're bragging to the wrong person about this.
Like, go tell Vanessa, that you fucked them over,
but don't tell Serena.

Andy (57:39):
Yep.

Leif (57:41):
At Max's, the party appears to be just a
trio, and in an episode, an
in episode needle drop prompts Agnes to get up and
start dancing.

Steve (57:52):
Yeah. How soon is now? Yeah.

Leif (57:55):
Which, of course, is the charm theme song.

Steve (57:57):
Yeah, of course. This is a cover version of it. Yeah. and
charmed was. The charmed cover is a cover, too. It's the love
spit love cover. Yeah. I did forget who this one was.
It was an acronym. I don't remember.
I didn't look it up. Yeah, yeah. I only
looked it up because I recognized the song
and couldn't place it

(58:17):
over and over. I think it was used in Buffy at one point,
too. I feel like I remember a scene with Warner Brothers.

Leif (58:23):
Own the rights.

Steve (58:24):
Yeah, it may be. Yeah, that would make sense.

Andy (58:27):
That same week, they did it in every show.
Is there any significance to that song, then, for the mood of this
scene? Because the mood is dire. This
is very uncomfortable.

Steve (58:42):
Yeah.

Leif (58:44):
I mean, it's kind of like a bad girl
type song. I think it's also used in the
wedding singer for, his girlfriend there,
the one who weaves him. And. Yes.
Like, I think, in what's the craft? I think it's also in
that maybe.

Steve (58:59):
Yes.

Leif (58:59):
I think that it's kind of like. It has,
throughout media, it's kind of taken on, like, a bad girl tone
to it.

Steve (59:06):
Yeah. And in this scene in
particular, first of all, I
hate on shows whenever they have the. Oh,
I love this song. Let's dance. Because,
like, I always would complain about it at the bronze
when I was watching Buffy stuff. Cause it's like you don't even know
this fucking song. You've never heard this song.

(59:26):
You don't even know there's a song playing because you're on a set
somewhere. But just really irked me.
Like, you don't even know what song this is. But this song, it's
like, oh, someone can actually like that one.
Someone might actually recognize it. So I had that same,
like, oh, I hate that trope. But
they might actually like it.

Leif (59:45):
Dan chases down a brooding Chuck to
attempt to rectify sabotaging Blair
earlier. This was on the stairs there.

Steve (59:53):
Yeah. Yeah. This was nice of Dan to do.

Leif (59:56):
I heard you. I chose to ignore you.
Good job. My dad realizing he fucked up.

Steve (01:00:04):
Yeah.

Andy (01:00:05):
Yeah. And gave Chuck the opportunity to fix
it.

Steve (01:00:08):
M. Yeah. And what's really funny is that, like,
Chuck's role in the whole Vanessa thing, too,
Chuck was, like, brought into it, right?

Leif (01:00:17):
Like,

Steve (01:00:18):
This still wasn't right. Yeah.

Andy (01:00:20):
Although why does Dan have so much power over Chuck
and Blair's relationship in this episode? Just
realizing, like, all he has, like, he says
one thing and now, like, blair's hanging on every word.

Steve (01:00:30):
I.

Andy (01:00:31):
And then, like, he's also saying this thing to
Chuck, which may or may not change his mind about anything, but it's just
like, wow. People just believe everybody in this show, even
though we learn over and over. That's a bad idea.

Leif (01:00:42):
Yeah. I mean, why? But I feel like Dan has shown
in the past the ability to kind of manipulate people pretty
well.

Steve (01:00:49):
Yeah.

Andy (01:00:49):
Oh, yeah.

Steve (01:00:50):
I also feel Dan is seen
as the honest one. Yeah. and I
think that it is the whole, like, oh,
no. Scheming is rich people's
game. Scheming is a rich person's game. So you
can't be scheming. You're just a poor kid who needs to
tell the truth or else you'll be poorer.

Andy (01:01:09):
Yes, exactly. Or, like, what can this guy
do? I'm safe.

Steve (01:01:14):
Yeah. Yeah.

Leif (01:01:16):
Back at Max's, Jenny and Agnes are
dancing. Agnes uses a little peer pressure to get
Jenny to start stripping your clothes. Nate
shows up before things can get too out of hand.

Andy (01:01:27):
Thank God.

Steve (01:01:28):
Yeah. What the fuck?
And he's taking pictures. You're at least,
So if this guy is a graduate of
RISD, then if he's a student.

Leif (01:01:40):
He'S at least 1920.

Steve (01:01:42):
Yeah, he's as.

Leif (01:01:43):
She is 1615 or 16.

Steve (01:01:46):
She says 15 earlier in the episode.
So. So this guy is, like,
I'm assuming, like, 2022 taking pictures
of his 15 year old. Like, yeah,
that's fucking disgusting. That's like.

Leif (01:02:01):
Yeah, and, yeah, not. Not good that Agnes
is, like, pushing her into it as well.

Steve (01:02:07):
Yeah, yeah. Come on. Take off your clothes in front of this
dude with me.

Andy (01:02:12):
Yeah, there's definitely, like, sort of Colt Manson. Like,
weird. Sort of like, I mean, because she
kisses him in front of her and, like, is sort of like.

Steve (01:02:20):
Yeah.

Leif (01:02:21):
Like, yeah, she's definitely trying, like,
some kind of threesome situation.

Steve (01:02:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andy (01:02:27):
And she. And as the woman or as the person that's supposed to
be, like, her ally in the situation is totally.

Steve (01:02:33):
Yeah. right.

Leif (01:02:34):
And I think we do find out in the next episode
that Agnes is not much older than Jenny. She's
only, like, 16 or 17.

Andy (01:02:41):
She might even say that she's 17. In this episode, too. Or,
like, maybe that's just in my head. I remembered that. I don't know.

Steve (01:02:47):
I have.

Andy (01:02:48):
Yeah. But, like, yeah, no, she isn't. I mean, you could
look. Yeah.

Steve (01:02:52):
Yeah.

Andy (01:02:52):
All bad news. Thank God for Nate's one track mind
here. Yes.

Steve (01:02:57):
I'm a college photographer, and I hang out with high school
girls. Like, yeah,
that.

Leif (01:03:02):
Not.

Steve (01:03:03):
Yeah.

Andy (01:03:04):
And Aaron Rose.

Steve (01:03:05):
And Aaron Rose. But not Aaron Rose's
little sister because he kept her away.

Leif (01:03:10):
Although, I mean, Agnes is that high school girl
that was always dating a
college guy. There. There were.

Steve (01:03:17):
There were. I know.

Leif (01:03:18):
The most popular girl, you know? Like, the really popular, hot girl
was always at a college boyfriend.

Steve (01:03:23):
I, know this.

Andy (01:03:23):
This show is just all those people, right?

Leif (01:03:26):
Like, that's exactly.

Andy (01:03:27):
Every girl is that.

Leif (01:03:28):
It's the highest 1%.

Steve (01:03:30):
Well, yeah, it's like if they're not fucking each other, they're fucking a
30 year old.

Andy (01:03:36):
And most of them are 30, you know?

Steve (01:03:38):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.

Leif (01:03:44):
What have we here? Jenny Humphrey, caught in
her knickers by Nate, her knight in shining
Armani.

Steve (01:03:51):
I love that line. That was so good line.

Leif (01:03:54):
Yeah. We move into the epilogue.
Good guy Nate isn't going to force Jenny to leave, but
he isn't going to leave without her either. That, was a very
good move. He's not. Yeah, he's not gonna be. The guy just, like, picks her up and,
like, drags her out of there. Cause that's just not a good look either.

Steve (01:04:09):
I'll wait.

Leif (01:04:09):
Yeah, I'll just sit down and wait.

Steve (01:04:11):
Yep.

Leif (01:04:11):
Yeah.

Andy (01:04:12):
That was his best tactic, like, when he was trying too hard to be, like, hey,
warning him, like. Like, kind of like a wet blanket that she would
ignore. Cause.

Steve (01:04:18):
Yeah.

Andy (01:04:19):
Yeah, classic. Like, yeah, if you're the older brother, and even if
you're right, I can't admit that you're right. You know? Like, yeah,
so.

Steve (01:04:25):
And this is where I. And, this is one of those places
where Nate shines, you know, where Nate is going to be the
good guy and make the decision, the good decision
to help the person that needs help. Like,
I really. Yeah, I think he really did a good
job.

Leif (01:04:40):
Dan chases down Serena to apologize for
sabotaging Blair. They begin to talk about
Aaron. Dan gives his blessing. Mid
conversation, Serena figures out the riddle
and that she went to summer camp with Aaron and
Europe because, of course, they went to the
summer camp in Switzerland.

Andy (01:04:58):
Yeah.

Steve (01:04:59):
Right. And I'm going to go back to how old
is this guy? And why are they in summer camp
together getting
married? If they're four
years apart.

Leif (01:05:11):
That's just how they do it in Europe.

Andy (01:05:16):
I mean, it's like pulling, like, making it
work. But I mean, I think summer camps can have, like, wide ranges, but it's
still weird.

Steve (01:05:23):
Yeah.

Andy (01:05:24):
He's like. I mean, I hope he wasn't, like, a counselor or, you know,
but, like, it could have been.

Leif (01:05:30):
Serena. She probably was.

Steve (01:05:32):
Yeah.

Andy (01:05:33):
Yeah. But it might have been like a, you know, a
ten and six or something. I don't know. Like, is she 17
here? Is that how old Serena is?

Leif (01:05:41):
She's here? Or. Actually, I think she. I think she might
be, She might actually be 18 because she has a early
birthday.

Steve (01:05:47):
Gotcha.

Leif (01:05:47):
they are. Yeah, they are seniors this year.

Andy (01:05:50):
But, I mean, Serena. Yeah. Probably was
also. I mean, she is the classic girl again,
that is talking to the oldest people.

Steve (01:05:57):
Yeah.

Andy (01:05:58):
For. And that's not. There's something scary about that
for sure. But that's.

Steve (01:06:02):
Yeah. This.

Andy (01:06:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But, hey, fake married.

Steve (01:06:08):
Yeah.

Leif (01:06:11):
Serena sees what I think is supposed to be Aaron
riding off with another woman. I say supposed to because
it's clearly a stunt actor driving off on the
moped. Why did they show his face?
Why did they do a back shot?

Andy (01:06:24):
Yeah, that was hilarious. I.
Yeah.

Steve (01:06:30):
That'S whole scene.

Andy (01:06:31):
Because it was just. It shows who Aaron really is. I
think, too. Like, he's sent this, but he's just this asshole on
a motorcycle with a babe, which.

Steve (01:06:39):
Yeah, yeah, the suggested people that are.

Andy (01:06:41):
On motorcycles are assholes. But just, like, I think that's the teeth.
That's the trope. Kind of more like there's
just. Yeah, he just has all these bad bugs.

Steve (01:06:50):
now I'm going to ask what I always ask when
someone like Aaron comes in is. Are we seeing
more of Aaron?

Leif (01:06:57):
Yes.

Steve (01:06:58):
Okay. I was. I figured.
Unfortunately, that's not
that. Yeah. I mean, I.
Yeah. and I feel like every time they bring someone in
for a romantic plot line, it's just
so bad.

Leif (01:07:13):
Unfortunately, I think this is kind of Aaron's high point.

Steve (01:07:16):
Oh, Jesus. Yeah.

Andy (01:07:18):
No, I think you're right.

Steve (01:07:19):
Yeah.

Andy (01:07:19):
Actually, I was gonna say, like, his stock is up. He will get there. But.

Steve (01:07:22):
Yeah, he's
one of my only ones, actually.

Andy (01:07:27):
But I think Aaron, like, he does because
of him. In a weird way, something good comes to the
show. I believe, that's my tease. So
Aaron. There is a. There is a. There is, like, a nice thing
about. Okay, but it's not Aaron.

Leif (01:07:40):
I think I know what you're talking about. Yeah.

Andy (01:07:42):
Ah.

Leif (01:07:44):
Chuck, slinks into Blair's room to explain how they
can't work as a couple. They decide to wait
before. Before sharing a chaste
kiss.

Steve (01:07:54):
Yeah. The whole thing was just a tease. Like, this whole
back and forth for nothing.
Yeah.

Andy (01:08:01):
And I don't buy it. Like, I mean, I guess
I buy it. Right? Like, they can't say the words because if they
do, he thinks it's the end. Right? Like that. That means they
become a normal couple. Yeah, but it's really like
they're afraid of being real. They're afraid of, But, like,
that's the thing. Blair says it. We can do the things
that we like together. That is real. So I like it. Just

(01:08:21):
this make believe problem that they have.
But I also understand because they're, you know, 17,
and, like, fully erect and, you know, all sorts, like,
we don't know what's going on.

Steve (01:08:31):
Yeah, exactly.

Leif (01:08:32):
So, yeah, the writers have admitted that
Chuck was not initially meant to
be a main character.

Andy (01:08:40):
Right.

Leif (01:08:40):
He was going to be just like, a side antagonist, and after
episode 13, he was going to just kind of fade into the background.
But that. That was when the writers strike hit in 2008,
and Josh Schwartz was reading the message boards,
and Chuck was by far the most popular
character. And so they. But they
didn't really know what to do with them other than just keep
bouncing all flare.

Andy (01:09:03):
But, like, I mean, I don't know. I mean, you're gonna get into the fandom, but,
like, that worked for most people.

Steve (01:09:08):
Yeah.

Leif (01:09:09):
yeah, most of my.

Andy (01:09:11):
Yeah, yeah, it gets tiresome and. But you
also. Yeah, it's the tv. It's. When you can see that it's a tv show,
when it's like, well, of course they can't actually try because
it.

Leif (01:09:20):
Yeah, it did work for most people, but the
most people that stayed on because the audience
really started dropping after season two. Two
episode. Episode three of season two, the Dark Knight was the
highest rated episode, and then it just steadily dropped from
there.

Andy (01:09:35):
Steve, like, I would be interested if there's
ever at a point where, like, if you were watching this live
or, like, without the podcast, if you'd ever be like, all right,
I think I'm unplugging. You know, like, I,

Steve (01:09:47):
Honestly,
I may have at the end of
season one, if I
didn't have the information about the writers strike,
that when they came back from the writers strike, I, And
then when they introduced Georgina Sparks, I thought
the show tanked for the end of
that. Those last couple episodes, I

(01:10:10):
hated them. Except for woman on the verge
or, there were. There were moments I liked and finally was okay. Yeah, the
finale was okay. The one. The one where
Eric's outed is okay, but, like, none of them
were, like, good anymore. Like, those
episodes didn't have that charm that I
felt the first 13 episodes had.

Leif (01:10:30):
Jenny is freaking out on Nate and then finally asks
him why he cares so much. Nate can't
answer, so Jenny gives him a quick kiss.
Nate is dumbfounded for a moment before going
Jenny in for the real thing.

Steve (01:10:44):
And I think that's the moment. I think
Jenny's saying to him, why
did you do this? Is the moment
Nate realizes he likes her. I think it
was just before the kiss that he
didn't. That he just thought he was doing the right thing.
And then when she asked why and he didn't have an
answer, I think that's when he was like, oh, shit,

(01:11:07):
I like her. And then she kissed him.
And then they full on make out.

Leif (01:11:13):
Yeah. Right in the middle of the street as usual.

Steve (01:11:16):
Right in the middle of the street as usual.

Andy (01:11:18):
I feel like there was some butt grab happening.

Steve (01:11:20):
There was some butt grab happening. She is
15 years old, Chase.
Well, I mean, I know.

Andy (01:11:28):
Yeah, they're both in high school. I. Yeah, but I
would. I think I. You're right. I don't know if I had that
reading this time or even the last time that, like, he wasn't
aware of it until that moment. I think Nate.

Leif (01:11:38):
I think they were there, but he just wasn't aware of it.

Andy (01:11:41):
Yeah, exactly. he's also the kind of guy who's just,
like, always so naturally charming and flirty and, like,
always liked that. Like, he doesn't, I don't think, know what
he's doing. So, like, yeah, I'm watching him
in the towel in that first scene. To me, I
know he likes the attention, likes the
look, and likes what is happening, but.

(01:12:01):
Yes. And I think it's that normal thing. It's just like, ooh, this is kind
of fun and giggly, but it's. Yeah. And then.
And I like that for. For Nate, I guess. I mean, I
like it. It's so much better than the alternative. Of what? You
know, dark. Jenny's other, you
know.

Steve (01:12:16):
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Leif (01:12:19):
The problem with fairy tales is they set up for a
disappointment. In real life, the prince goes off with
the wrong princess, where the spell wears off, and
two lovers realize they are better off as well,
whatever they are. But I'll confess to
every once in a while, a girl craves her fairy tale
ending. So sleep tight, kitties. It

(01:12:39):
seems like little J. Got her happily ever after.
Xoxo, gossip girl.
And that is the episode. So, obviously,
Andy, you know what's coming, but, Steve, what are your
predictions?

Steve (01:12:52):
Well, I I predict that
Agnes is going to continue to be trouble for
Jenny. I have a prediction that
Nate or that Dan is not going
to take it too well. If
he finds out about Nate and Jenny, I think he might
come around because he's. Because he knows that Nate's a
good guy. But I also know that he's very protective of

(01:13:15):
his little sister. But all, But, like, dan, just keep in
mind, she could do a lot worse than Nate Archibald
and this chuck and Blair thing. I know
that this is what the show is now, but, like,
shoulder, get off the pot.

Leif (01:13:30):
So do you think, are they going to get right back into it next week or
they got to take a break?

Steve (01:13:35):
It might cool off a little bit, but I don't know what
else they, they have going on at this point. You
know, like, unless we're maybe like Nate and
Chuck. Reconciliation coming
up. Yeah.

Leif (01:13:47):
This week in fandom, we
jumped into the wayback machine to look at the television without
pity forums from back in 2008.

Steve (01:13:56):
Hello there, Peabody here.

Andy (01:13:58):
And this is the wayback machine for traveling through time.

Steve (01:14:01):
And this is my boy Sherman.

Andy (01:14:04):
Speak.

Steve (01:14:04):
Sherman. Hello. Good boy.

Leif (01:14:07):
First, though, everyone. People are getting. Yeah, people
are getting bored of Chuck and Blair. Not saying I love you.

Steve (01:14:12):
It's already. Yeah, it's. It's three
episodes of it now. Yeah.

Leif (01:14:16):
Which we've always said people watch, in network
tv era, one in three episodes. So hopefully
they move on now.

Steve (01:14:23):
Yeah. Yeah.

Leif (01:14:25):
Dan should die a fiery death for messing with
chair.

Andy (01:14:31):
Like, that's really. I mean, I find that funny because it's
also, like, it kind of those two things are different. Right? Like,
we're tired of them going back and forth, but then we're
so pissed when Dan just gets
involved a little bit.

Leif (01:14:44):
I mean, Dan stopped them from getting together like they
would. They would. Yeah.

Steve (01:14:48):
I mean, yeah, maybe.

Andy (01:14:49):
I don't buy that. Yeah, I think that's. That's using Dan as a
scapegoat, which is about to do for
sure, you know, Dan's greatest scapegoat.

Leif (01:14:57):
But I think much, much like, Dawson and Joey,
the writers were showing us that Chuck and Blair don't work without actually
intending to.

Andy (01:15:06):
Yeah. Ah, I think that's. Yeah, that makes sense to me. I also
just think there's, like, this idea that Dan can't get involved because
we're putting chair on the pedestal, it's kind of like how the characters
treat them, too, but the fans themselves. Oh, Dan can't get involved in
chair, but chair can do whatever they want to.
Yeah.

Leif (01:15:21):
Oh, yeah.

Steve (01:15:22):
Yeah.

Leif (01:15:23):
Serena certainly has a type, as we
said. So the audience picked up on
that as well. Dan and Vanessa belong
together because they're both morally or superior
hypocrites.

Steve (01:15:35):
Yep. Yep. Yeah. That. Yeah.

Andy (01:15:37):
Track.

Steve (01:15:38):
And I know that. That, like, it's,
funny. When they first said, like, oh, dan's in the other
room with Vanessa. When Serena showed up in the beginning of the episode, I was
like, oh, fuck. Gross. Are they doing? I'm just. Because
that's the one I know has to happen, and I'm just
so annoyed by it, and it hasn't even happened
yet.

Andy (01:15:57):
Yeah. That's also fair, I think.

Leif (01:16:01):
So the fans, felt that Nate and Jenny were a
bit sudden, especially from Nate's side, but
really? Yeah. But I think that's because
I feel like most of them were girls or women
speaking. And as a former 15 year old boy, I
know, like, if I spend more than, you know,
20 minutes with an attractive girl that is being nice to me,

(01:16:22):
I'm probably gonna fall in love with her.

Steve (01:16:23):
Yeah. Yep. Especially
for me back then. Yeah.

Leif (01:16:29):
yeah. 1516.

Steve (01:16:30):
Yeah. There's also probably a lot of
people that watched that were watching season
two that came on late and hadn't
watched season one to see the
season one backup, background for
Jenny.

Andy (01:16:45):
Right. And that's what I was going to say. I feel like that stuff was
laid in there in season one or, like, they had. They have
had a sort of a nice relationship, whether
they hadn't defined it until this moment, but, like, they had
done enough work where it did not feel rushed yet.

Steve (01:17:00):
Yeah. they had maybe three. Two or
three scenes, I think three scenes together.
That really established
this episode. All in season
one, though, positive reactions.

Leif (01:17:14):
To the mixing of pairings up, whether
they be friendly or antagonistic or romantic
or platonic, they're kind of talking about how the OC
in season two, to mix it up, they brought in new characters,
but on Gossip Girl, they. They're kind of just mixing up
the main characters with different pairings, which they liked.

Steve (01:17:32):
Yeah.

Andy (01:17:33):
And, I mean, Dan and, Blair is, like, the best example, I think, in this
episode, I really like them.

Steve (01:17:37):
I think that's kind of a funny note, though, on an episode where they bring
in two new characters,
three if you count Max, but I'm hoping he's at least
gone.

Leif (01:17:49):
Positive reactions to, yeah,
there was a lot of excitement for Willow Hollande because she was obviously Caitlin
Cooper on the OC.

Andy (01:17:56):
She's, yeah, going up in the world. This is a big move for her.

Leif (01:17:59):
So that is it for this week in fandom. Let's
move into some episode grades.
Steve went first last time, so it's my turn to go
first. I think I like this episode a little
better than you guys. I thought the directing was good. There was good
music. there's a lot of interesting shots, especially, like, the shot on
the roof. I like the end with Chuck and Blaire, even

(01:18:21):
though the outcome was kind of boring and, like, even
though the scenes, nothing really happened, I
think were good setups for stuff that happened
later. So I'm actually going to give this episode an a minus.
Woo. How about you, Andy?

Andy (01:18:34):
I think I'll go with a B minus. You
know, like, I think I, Like, I. It's still.
I think it's still entertaining. We talked about all the quips and the
zingers, and there's enough fashion to hate
on or love, you know, like, I think it has a lot of different things
and we getting. I do like seeing more of Jenny and
more of Dan and Blair, so. But, yeah, I

(01:18:55):
have, you know, the same sort of notes about, like, it definitely is kind of
a filler transition episode. And I know when I watched, was watching it,
I did have the thought of why did I choose this one? You know, like,
I did have that thought. so, like. But I think it's
because dark Jenny, to me, is such a
fascinating.

Steve (01:19:10):
Yeah, yeah.

Andy (01:19:11):
Part of the show and just the lore and
Taylor Momsen, all of that stuff opens
up. And I think this is, like, where we're really going there. And it's kind
of. It's kind of hard to watch, too. It's not always.

Leif (01:19:23):
It's tough, but yeah.

Steve (01:19:24):
Yeah.

Leif (01:19:24):
Jenny's character really drives the plot more than anyone else in
the show.

Steve (01:19:28):
I think she, and she has such
a professional wrestler arc
of, like, the good kid and then the heel
turn and, like, then, you know,
has, like, a good heel run and
then gets shown up and then turns around and
is the good kid. And now I feel like another heel turn coming

(01:19:48):
and, like, you know, that's.

Andy (01:19:51):
That's a really good way of putting it.

Steve (01:19:52):
I love that.

Andy (01:19:54):
And leaf, I like, I really appreciate that you,
like, jenny is your favorite character because I always got
the sense that she was sort of the most, like, not, I mean, after
Vanessa, like, people like to hate on,
Jenny or.

Steve (01:20:06):
Yeah.

Leif (01:20:06):
Like, which is. I've always found that weird.

Andy (01:20:09):
I think it's on.

Steve (01:20:10):
I also love Jenny. Yeah.

Leif (01:20:13):
I think people hate her because she
does act like an actual teenager.

Andy (01:20:19):
A, hundred percent she. Like, she. To me,
she's the most accurate depiction of what
if you put a 15 year old in this world? What would
happen?

Steve (01:20:29):
m. Yeah, I have a. I have a 17
year old daughter, and there are so many
times on this podcast that I've said that
I've seen Jenny,
make a look or react to a situation, and it
just instantly reminded me of Emily. Like,
you just one of the ones that really
stands out the most is showing up to Blair's

(01:20:51):
birthday party already with, like, her
stuffy and her blanket and all these girls are in night
gowns and sipping martinis, and
that look of I'm out of my league. Like, it
just felt so natural. And
she does that all the time in this show. Like, she just really
sells the teenager.

Leif (01:21:12):
What, are you giving the grade?

Steve (01:21:13):
my grade for this is also a b minus. I
gave it the same thing, mostly because I felt like it
didn't go anywhere. I did like the
quips. I did like some of the dialogue. I did like a lot of
the direction. Direction and acting, but I felt
that the story just took me
almost nowhere except for the jenny stuff,
and. And I don't feel like

(01:21:35):
Gossip girl does that a lot. I don't feel like
even when they have bad episodes, I feel like they
move the plot forward, and I felt this one was
just a. Just a.
Just stuck.

Leif (01:21:48):
Yeah. It's setting up the next big arcs.
Which one is Jenny? That's obviously the biggest one. And then
also you get the aaron and Serena set up.

Steve (01:21:57):
Yeah.

Leif (01:21:59):
So moving on to stock watch,
I had going up Jenny because
she, you know, she lost her job. It
looked. She's got ton of buzz. Plus she got. She hooked up
with Nate, so good for her. I had Dan going
up because he was manipulating everyone and
he was scheming with the best of them.
He got exactly what he wanted in this episode, so I gave

(01:22:22):
him stock up then also, I had
Serena going up because she seems to have a new
relationship, even though it was a little weird at the end,
but she's definitely interested in him, so.
And, of course, Nate because he was the king of the
episode. Andy, what do you. Who do you have going up?

Andy (01:22:39):
I do have Nate going up as well, and I.
I had Dan going up with Blair for most of
it, but then I don't. I actually disagree with you. I think, like, he
didn't actually get what he wanted because, like, Serena's going off
with Aaron and he.

Steve (01:22:53):
Yeah.

Andy (01:22:53):
I don't know. Like, I. He sort of ended
in a down, but I, think he maybe ends in, like, the
exact same fair.

Leif (01:23:00):
That's fair.

Andy (01:23:00):
And then for Jenni, to me, is a TBD.
You know, I'm like, I love up. Like,
she's in a great. This is a very crucial position for
Jenny to be in. Right? Like, she is, like, getting buzz.
She has. She's a talk of the town fashion. Like,
she could be the next big thing. but
be careful, Jenny. Be careful. But also

(01:23:21):
very nice to get a nice smooch from Nate. Like, I know she's wanted
that, and that's really cool for Jenny. And then I
have to admit that Aaron Rose, I know he's not a main character, but he
is the one who's looking up. You know, anyone who's, like,
has the eye of Serena, who has a hit gallery
opening. Like, yeah, I hate him.
Fuck, I guess Aaron Rose.

Steve (01:23:40):
Yeah.

Leif (01:23:40):
It doesn't have to be a main character. They just have to be at least mentioned in the episode.

Steve (01:23:43):
Yeah. Yeah.

Andy (01:23:44):
And then Serena too, because, yeah, she gets a new,
new passion.

Steve (01:23:48):
Yeah.

Leif (01:23:49):
Steve.

Steve (01:23:49):
So going up, I only had. I had
Nate. We all, you know, good guy Nate. We all had
Nate. Aaron also, you know,
Aaron. Aaron, his stock literally goes
up. Like, he's got this big buzz on his
art gallery display. He's got
two women interested in him, it

(01:24:10):
seems, unless the other ones, like his sister or
assistant or some shit like that, which is exactly what this show would
do.

Andy (01:24:16):
Right?

Steve (01:24:17):
And I had Rupas going up because his gallery put
on a really good event, and I think that
he really deserves props for that. But that is all I have
going up. I had a lot of no stock
on this episode.

Leif (01:24:31):
So moving on to going down, I had
Chuck and Blair because they had. Still can't pull the
trigger, and Max because he's just a
fucking creep.

Andy (01:24:41):
Deserve any? Yeah, I'm not trading. I'm not publicly
trading.

Steve (01:24:44):
Publicly trading in Max.

Leif (01:24:47):
Well, I like to. I like to drive people down as low.
I like to short stock.

Steve (01:24:52):
Yeah. Which that's
where Chuck has been for most of our, most
of the run of this show.

Leif (01:25:00):
What about you, Eddie? Who do you got going down?

Andy (01:25:02):
I have. Yeah. Chuck and Blair. And then I also have
Eleanor going down because, I mean, she does
not look good in this episode in any way, shape or form, like,
as a mentor figure as a boss, as a
artist, as a fashion designer. Like, no one is interested in her
stuff anymore, and just a 15 year old who,
like, has made three dresses is more exciting. So,

(01:25:22):
like, yeah, that, to me, is, like, a really dark
place to be.

Leif (01:25:26):
I'm actually going to add Eleanor to mine as well.

Steve (01:25:28):
Yeah.

Andy (01:25:29):
Yeah. And I think that's all I had.

Leif (01:25:31):
Steve.

Andy (01:25:32):
Yeah. Dan is, like, kind of.

Steve (01:25:35):
Yeah, yeah.

Leif (01:25:36):
yeah. So just leave him as neutral, I guess, unless. Unless you want him to be
down.

Andy (01:25:39):
No, we can give him neutral.

Steve (01:25:41):
Yeah, neutral, too, because I.
And, in fact, I went neutral for Chuck and Blair, too, because
they didn't go anywhere. Like, that was my whole thing with
this episode is that it didn't do any. And I felt that way with
Dan, too. and I felt that way with Serena.
However, going down I had, I did have Jenny
going down because as of

(01:26:02):
right now, and, of course, this is also, like,
first watch with it. As of
right now, she has no job, and she
is taking advice from people that may
not be able to back up what they are
selling. So I feel like Jenny
took a huge risk. She took a hit in her stock because
of it. I also have Eleanor going down.

(01:26:25):
I was right on with both of you. With. With
Eleanor going down, I had Vanessa going down
because Vanessa sucks.
I typically take a shot at Vanessa when I can,
but also because I was really annoyed with Vanessa because,
like, being so offended that
the people that she tried to fuck over fucked her over

(01:26:45):
just really irked me with her.
And finally, I'm Max. I didn't have Max, but I
want to add Max to mine because let's.

Leif (01:26:53):
Try some down into the negatives.

Steve (01:26:55):
Yeah, yeah,
yeah. At one point, I said that this episode needed to
come with a seizure warning with the way that the
flash was just would not stop
in those scenes.

Leif (01:27:09):
Okay. I think that is it for stock watch in
best outfit.

Steve (01:27:14):
But here's the best outfits from the last
episode we see.

Leif (01:27:21):
For me, it was Jetty's dress,
even with, like, the fringe. I love the punk rock look.
I just. I think it worked.

Andy (01:27:28):
I mean, I I think it's funny that. I love that we had a
completely different thing because.

Steve (01:27:32):
Yeah.

Andy (01:27:32):
I was just like, oh, no, thank you. Like,
no, sorry. You can go forward. I feel like I'm sort of giving
my outfit.

Leif (01:27:40):
Yeah, it's your turn. It's your turn to go ahead.

Andy (01:27:41):
I would say. I, would say there was more bad than good in this
episode, and. But, like, I think, honestly, it was
Blair was the one who was giving the most looks that I was like, okay,
yes. And it was probably. I mean, it's an easy one, but, like, the
lingerie seduction scene, that outfit
wins.

Leif (01:27:56):
Yeah. Can't go go with a Philip
herless.

Andy (01:28:00):
But my real answer is Nate.
Bathroom towel.

Steve (01:28:04):
Okay, that's it. That
is. Yeah. I,

Leif (01:28:10):
There.

Steve (01:28:10):
Yeah, I agree that this was not the best
fashion episode. There were a few outfits that I. Blair,
Blair had a lot of great outfits throughout the
episode. I agree with that. But I also
have Jenny's dress as
written down. Ah. It was. When
that first came on, Robin and I were both like,

(01:28:30):
oh, that dress, like, immediately.
and so. But that is also. That is also
so much more of a style that I would
be interested in seeing, though, like, that. That
fringy punk. Kind of, like I said, that
punkification of Jenny Humphrey.

Andy (01:28:47):
What's funny? Because, yeah, like, I was like, oh, I hate this dress.
And then it was like, immediately after, I was like, oh, yeah, I forgot what the plot of this
episode. I was like, oh, shit. But then, like, my partner, Lily, like, she
came in, and I was like, come on, you have to see this. And she was
on my side, too.
Oh, we are. We like punk, too. So we're like,
yeah, just funny that, you know, that's fashion,

(01:29:07):
though.

Steve (01:29:07):
It's gender, right? Yeah. Yeah, it really is.

Leif (01:29:11):
So, that is it for segments. All we have left
are some plugs. But first, I want to thank you, Andy, for
joining us today.

Steve (01:29:18):
Yeah, thank you so much. do you have anything you'd like to
plug on the show and anything you'd like to share
with anyone watching?

Andy (01:29:26):
well, thank you for having me. This was fun. And, yeah, I
feel like, apparently, I still have stuff to say.
It's like. It's like, I need to shut up more.

Leif (01:29:34):
you're free to come back next season.

Andy (01:29:36):
Oh, let's. Yeah, I'll pick another
douche.

Steve (01:29:39):
Please do.

Andy (01:29:41):
Maybe a movie that I've seen the title based on.

Steve (01:29:44):
There we go.

Andy (01:29:45):
Yeah. In terms of plugs, like, I. Right now, I'm on
hiatus on it, but the naked man pod is sort of
the podcast I solo podcast I did after
gossip guys, and it's, to me, probably the best, like,
work I've ever done in terms of, I mean,
podcasting, but also just work in general. Like, it's a, it's a mental health
show. Like, it's called Naked man because it's about being
naked emotionally and being vulnerable and having

(01:30:07):
difficult conversations and, like, going into. It's an
interview show, but I also do monologues and I didn't
necessarily know it was going to be a mental health show
or be about my own mental health. And it sort
of started during COVID too. So like
was a lot of. And the world has just continued to get
scary. So I think it has a lot of that in there and just

(01:30:27):
me growing and learning about myself and being more open about
what it even means to be a man. so in a way
that is sort of a through line from gossip guys to this
because we were playing with the idea of like, oh, men liking. And so are
you men liking dramas. Hahaha.
and that. There's, there's nothing wrong with that or there shouldn't be.

Leif (01:30:45):
Yeah.

Andy (01:30:45):
but yeah, so I think that's what that show is. And then, you
know, hopefully, depending on when you listen to this, maybe
my first film will be out and ready to
be seen. It's a short film called
Contraction. it's a psychological horror film
that I shot and I was like, yeah, my directorial
debut. I'm submitting it to festivals now, but

(01:31:06):
maybe depending on when you listen to it, might have a Vimeo link or on
YouTube or something.

Leif (01:31:10):
Definitely share it with us and I will put it in the show notes.

Steve (01:31:12):
So. Yeah, and we'll blast it as much as
we can too.

Leif (01:31:17):
Yeah, not much. This week I
did watch the new season of Cobra Kai. Pretty. Or like the first
half, I guess because the second half doesn't come out in first.

Steve (01:31:26):
Is it any good?

Leif (01:31:27):
it's got, it's got some funny parts, but yeah, the show's definitely gone on a
little too long.

Steve (01:31:31):
Yeah, the first season was so fun and then I just
felt like it just.

Leif (01:31:36):
Yeah. well, they're. They couldn't really keep going, with
the Daniel and Johnny as the main plot. They had. They
had to shift to the teenagers.

Steve (01:31:43):
Yeah, it was. I felt like once they broke that
kid's neck, the levity just.

Leif (01:31:48):
Yeah, yeah, it went over the top with that, that. The
big fight in school though.

Steve (01:31:53):
Yeah.

Leif (01:31:53):
Are you daddy, you watch the show at all?

Andy (01:31:56):
I have not. It's been on the list, you know, but
no. And no worries about spoilers or anything like that. I've wanted
to watch it, but now I probably won't, to be
honest. I watch more
movies than tv, weirdly. I'm like, I go, I'm zigging
while other people are zagging.

Steve (01:32:12):
I don't know.

Leif (01:32:13):
so you can follow me on Instagram,
hotcapicola and you can follow the podcast
at nonjudging breakfast pod on Instagram,
TikTok and threads, and then on
Twitter, which we're not really that active anymore.
It's at NJP podest. And then you can
also find us on Facebook by searching for non
judging preface pod. And then you can find links to our

(01:32:36):
discord server on our website,
nonjudgingprefacepod.com dot.

Steve (01:32:40):
Yeah, and if you'd like to get in touch with us and send us an
email or tell, us what you think of the show, please
reach out to nonjudging
breakfastpodmail.com.
give, us your thoughts. We'd love to read what you have to say here on
the podcast. And, while you're at it,
also, if you don't mind giving us a, like a, ah, follow

(01:33:00):
a subscription, a comment, and also,
we'd really appreciate you telling a friend, let him know what
you're listening to and watch the show. I
also want to take this opportunity to say that Gossip Girl
is now free to watch
on Tubi.

Leif (01:33:15):
Yes.

Steve (01:33:16):
And you no longer need a
subscription to Max to watch Gossip Girl. You can
now download the tubi app. This is not a paid
to be sponsorship. I am just, I don't know if.

Leif (01:33:27):
You guys wanted to sponsor us or we're here to be.

Steve (01:33:30):
By all means, we will take money to tell people,
because I actually love to be my daughter.
Yeah, my daughter and I watch a lot of horror movies,
and we love that we can find so many
classics or just like out of nowhere
horror films. On to be. I
absolutely love it. And so, yeah, to be, please give us

(01:33:50):
money. But also, more, more to the point,
if you want to watch Gossip Girl and watch our, and listen to our
podcast, it's now available to do all of that for
free. So check, out gossip Girl on
Tubi. Listen to an episode
and keep, following along.

Andy (01:34:07):
Yes.

Leif (01:34:07):
We will be back next week for season two,
episode nine, there might be
blood. The max episode description
reads, Aaron has been keeping a secret from
Serena already.

Steve (01:34:20):
What.

Leif (01:34:22):
They started dating yet?

Andy (01:34:27):
Not a good foundation of a relationship.

Steve (01:34:29):
Everyone out there.

Leif (01:34:32):
But until next time, you know you love us.

Steve (01:34:35):
Xoxo.
Every time you walk away run away you take a
piece of m me with you there
every time you walk away or run away you take a
piece of m me with you there
piece of me with you there

(01:34:56):
oh, it seems I'm walking right to
your door.
My heart's.
Still resting looking for something
more.
Are.
You ever gonna see everything you mean to me? I'm
trying really hard to believe

(01:35:18):
piece of me with you
never feels right when I'm out here.
On my own.

(01:35:41):
I left last night and it feels like
way too long
are you ever gonna see everything you mean
to me? I'm trying really hard to believe
every time you walk away, run away you take a piece
of me with you there

(01:36:03):
piece of me with you there.
Come back to me
smile and you'll make my life
complete

(01:36:26):
every time you walk away or run away you take a piece
of me with you there

(01:36:48):
every time you walk away, run away you take a
every time you walk away and run away you take a
piece of meat with you there

(01:37:11):
piece of me with you there.

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