December 7, 2024 • 48 mins
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Welcome back, Gossip Girl fans! This week on the Non Judging Breakfast Pod, Leif and Steve dissect the chaotic events of Gossip Girl Season 2, Episode 17, "Carnal Knowledge." As Blair wages war against Ms. Carr, the lines between student and teacher blur in scandalous ways. Dan finds himself caught in a web of rumors and inappropriate encounters, leading to explosive consequences. Meanwhile, Chuck embarks on a mysterious quest involving secret societies, and the Upper East Side is left reeling from the fallout. Join our hosts as they navigate the tumultuous world of Manhattan's elite with their trademark humor and sharp analysis. Don't miss this deep dive into the drama, intrigue, and questionable decisions that define this episode!
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Steve (00:00):
Oh, I just got fired five minutes ago. So instead of taking any
legal action against the school for or
trying to get my job back in any other way, or trying to find
another job, I'm going to bang this student that I
was hot for since the moment I met
him the first day
I was at the school.
Leif (00:27):
Hey, Upper East Siders and all you scandal loving listeners out
there. You just tuned into the non judging breakfast
pod where the coffee is strong, the
waffles are fresh, and the gossip is hotter than
ever. My name is Leif and I'm, your seasoned Gossip
Girl veteran.
Steve (00:41):
And I'm Steve. I'm the newbie, the greenhorn,
the, I don't know, Leif, what are we calling the season two newbies
now?
Leif (00:48):
If Cornflower Mary can come in and tell us through how to run
things and everything we stood for all these years is nothing.
Steve (00:54):
Well, fire me for inappropriate
relationships. Sounds
good. So here's
the deal, folks. Leif has been watching this show since it
first aired in 2007. And I'm diving in for
the first time. And together, we're your dynamic
duo, bringing you all the drama, romance, and
sometimes questionable fashion choices of this
(01:16):
iconic 2007 series.
Leif (01:18):
That's right. Each week we'll be taking a deep dive into the
show one episode at a time. We'll analyze the
hidden parallels of obscure references and we're
also going to take a look at some behind the scenes gossip and stories
from fandom along the way.
Steve (01:31):
And since we are all about inclusivity here at the non
judging breakfast pod, there is always a seat for you at the
non judging breakfast table. So go ahead and grab a
mimosa, some coffee, or maybe some of Nate
and Chuck special medicine. And let's get into this
episode.
Leif (01:46):
We are here to talk about season two,
episode 17 of Gossip Girl
titled Carnal Knowledge.
Steve (01:54):
Yes, and, this is. I. I've
heard of this. I never saw it.
Leif (01:59):
The original release date of this episode was on February
2, 2009. And yes,
the movie was based on Carnal Knowledge 19,
71 dramedy directed by Mike Nichols
and starring Jack Nicholson, Candice
Bergen, Art Garfunkel and Ann
Margaret.
Steve (02:17):
If I am correct, this is around
the time Simon and Garfunkel were falling
apart and when they were making this. And the
song only living boy in New York
came from him basically singing
to Art Garfunkel saying, yes, it's
your time to take this and it's your time to do this.
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That's my understanding of that song. And
how did that work? Out for him.
Leif (02:45):
This episode was written by Len K.
Rosenfeld, previously wrote
Daredevil, School Lies, Chuck
in real life, and it was also co
written by Alexandra McNally,
who previously co wrote New Haven Can Wait with
Josh Saffron.
Steve (03:02):
Yeah. And we like New Haven can wait.
Leif (03:04):
Yeah. Directed by Elizabeth Ann
Rosenbaum. This is her only Gossip
Girl episode. She did two teen
type movies early on in her career, but some
music videos along the way, but mostly tv.
But she's definitely a teen drama specialist.
She's done work on vampire diaries, the
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920 reboot, all American,
and, of.
Steve (03:28):
Course, this is before all of that too. Yeah. Because
this. The directing in this, I
felt seemed amateur at
times. Like I. I felt. And I think that it was
partially that the writing didn't give the director a lot
to go on, but I thought there were some really weird
directorial decisions.
Leif (03:47):
So why don't you go ahead and give us the Vulture recap?
Steve (03:50):
All right, so the Vulture recap.
This week's episode of Gossip Girl broke
all the rules. Blair broke the invisible
barrier between Gossip Girl herself and the parents
of St. Jude's and Constance Billard.
Nelly Yuki broke the bonds of friendship and
loyalty. Rachel Carr broke nearly
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every tenet of private school teaching. And the show
as a whole violated the ultimate, homage
gimmick rule. If you're making obvious and
overwrought references to something else, don't
have a character on screen acknowledge
it. The moment Chuck said the words
eyes wide shut, even the very
mild feeling of amusement and curiosity we'd
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had regarding this pot line
was shattered. From that moment
on, our own eyes were wide
shut. Hoping against all hopes
that we weren't witnessing the moment when the greatest show
of our time jumped the biggest shark
on prime time.
Leif (04:51):
Not a great storyline.
Steve (04:52):
No, no, this was
bad.
Leif (04:56):
And just proof that Chuck can't
carry a storyline.
Steve (05:00):
Cannot carry a storyline.
Leif (05:03):
So we start the episode with the Gossip Girl monologue
while Upper east siders are hitting the snooze button. Blair
Waldorf had a rude awakening when the rooster crowed at
dawn this morning. And we open up with Blair
talking on the phone to Serena complaining about her
detention. However, Dorota is the one actually
doing Blair's community service.
Steve (05:22):
Yes, we catch Blair working hard watching Dorota do
all of her community service. Although
Blair has the awareness when she
sees Harold to stop
and grab it from Dorota and
pretend that she's doing the work.
So obviously, like, there. There
is. There's sometimes this thing with Blair
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that I wonder if her morality is
she actually thinks that she's doing the right thing.
And so I like when we see that she knows she's
not.
Leif (05:55):
Blair decides that Serena isn't a good ally
in her war against Ms. Carr. Blair sees
Harold walking up and takes the garbage grabber from Dorota to make it
look like she had been doing the work. Harold is completely
oblivious to the type of girl Blair is. And Dorota
side eyes her in the background.
Steve (06:12):
Yeah, and that's the other thing, is that
Harold doesn't know his daughter at all,
really.
Leif (06:19):
Ms. Carr is once again meeting Dan outside of
class. They appear to have bonded over their shared
outsider experience. Serena comes in and
things are a little awkward.
Steve (06:29):
The only one and only
thing I'm gonna say about
the Dan Ms. Carr thing
is he does technically go to a
different school. Outside of that,
everything is fucked. What are
you thinking?
Leif (06:49):
What?
Steve (06:50):
How has no, In your training to be a teacher,
how has no one yet pulled you aside and said, never be alone
with a student? Like, that was student teaching
for me. Someone came up to me and was like.
I was making copies in the office with a
student, and someone came up to me and was like,
never do that again.
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Never do that
again.
Leif (07:15):
Yeah, not a good idea.
Steve (07:18):
Never.
Leif (07:19):
Chuck wakes up having flashes of a decadent
party. He notices a new tattoo on his wrist.
Chuck calls Nate and gives him an address at which to
meet.
Steve (07:28):
Oh, what the fuck is this? Was. That's.
What the fuck?
Leif (07:32):
I mean, have you seen Eyes Wide Shut?
Steve (07:33):
I have not, but I
culturally pop. Culturally know
enough about it to know
it's basically.
Leif (07:42):
This is basically the same story. He wakes up and he
remembers having some crazy night with some young girl.
Steve (07:47):
Yeah. And has to retrace his steps. And he actually
has sex with Nicole Kidman. In the
actual movie, Blair arrives at.
Leif (07:56):
School and hands over her community service hours to a
condescending Ms. Carr.
Steve (08:01):
Yeah.
Leif (08:02):
Oh, Henry David Thoreau.
Steve (08:04):
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Ms.
Carr.
Leif (08:07):
Blair tries to rally her troops for war, but the
Minions want no part of a fight with Ms. Carr.
Lucky for Blair Queller and Carr forcing all the students
to check their phones to the door, giving Blair the kindling
she needs to light a fire under the Minions.
Steve (08:22):
Yeah. And you know, you see Blair
losing the Minions here, and she
gives this what's supposed to be arousing
speech, and it's so. It's just
poorly written. Again, it's just like these
weird cliches of, And
Blair should be better than that, at least a little
bit. I don't know. I was really disappointed.
Leif (08:44):
I guess I thought that was. I think that's just
Blair.
Steve (08:48):
Yeah. Yeah. I just thought
it was a little.
Leif (08:52):
Ever. She's clever. She's not the smartest person in the room.
Steve (08:55):
Yeah. Yeah.
Leif (08:57):
Every great leader knows you don't send your girls into the field
unarmed. If we know Blair Waldorf
Munitions are on their way.
We move into Act 2.
Back from the commercial, Blair and the mean girls are going through
Gossip Girl withdrawal. However, Dorota manages
to sneak a contraband phone into the
school.
Steve (09:18):
Is this candle even a scandal if I can't text about
it?
Leif (09:22):
Yeah, I got. She's just, like, sitting there, like, mining. Texting.
Steve (09:25):
Yeah. I. I loved the minions
in this, especially.
Leif (09:30):
Especially Hazel, Vanessa and Nate
meet Chuck outside a mysterious location. From the business
card. Chuck leads them inside and describes
meeting his perfect woman at this exclusive
gentleman's club.
Steve (09:43):
Great.
Leif (09:45):
Back at school, Blair is berating the minions for
failing to dig up dirt on this car.
Steve (09:50):
Yeah, I have to say that earlier in the episode,
before we got to this scene, I turned to Robin and
said, kind of like Hazel's hair. And
then she. On Hazel's hair. I was like,
oh, well, that. There's
my world. That's my fashion advice.
Leif (10:09):
However, the amma Blair niece practically
falls into her lap when she sees Dan in this car
flirting in the hallway. Blair quickly sends a
tip to Gossip Girl. Blair then quotes Gossip Girl as
we go to another commercial break.
Steve (10:22):
Yeah, we get, like, awkward Dan,
which we. We know Awkward Dan, and we know Dan
gets like that. But, like, you're talking about her
shirt. What the fuck? It was just
too awkward.
Leif (10:35):
Free Dan.
Steve (10:36):
Yeah, exactly.
Leif (10:38):
But so normally, we would have got in
a Gossip Girl monologue here. Instead,
we get Blair quoting Gossip Girl. This goes
for a commercial breakdown.
Steve (10:48):
Yeah. Yeah, because she.
Leif (10:49):
Oh.
Steve (10:50):
Because she texts Gossip Girl, and it.
Leif (10:51):
Says, xoxo, Gossip, Girl.
Steve (10:53):
You're right. You're right. She does. Yeah. That's interesting.
Leif (10:56):
I'm gonna throw out there. As we return
from commercial break, Dan is getting high five. Then
congratulated by the guys we have never seen before.
Jenny comes up and fills Danny on the gossip about
Dan and Ms. Carr.
Steve (11:09):
I love how clueless he is. I also love that
he trashes Jenny's makeup, and he's like, you don't look like
a raccoon anymore.
Leif (11:17):
Damn, that's kind of a brother
sister.
Steve (11:21):
Yeah. Yeah. I. And I love Jenny's involvement in this.
Having it all written out on her hand because she couldn't get the
text.
Leif (11:27):
Serena comes up to Dan to confront him about the
post. She believes him that nothing happened, but
she, Side eye when he calls Ms. Car.
Rachel while defending her.
Steve (11:37):
Yeah, because you shouldn't be calling her
Rachel. I know. She told you to.
Leif (11:42):
Well, Serena's also calling her Rachel.
Steve (11:44):
Yeah. Yeah.
Leif (11:45):
Back at the mysterious house, Chuck finds a picture of
the mysterious woman holding a baby. The plot
thickens.
Steve (11:52):
This was one of the parts that I thought was just really
poorly written and directed. When he comes down
the stairs and then is like, oh, and there was a
curtain here. Like, you would have seen that first. When you.
Like, the things that you saw first, you're
now describing after you've toured the whole house.
It just seemed like we
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have this house that we have to shoot in for one day. So let's
get all this done.
Leif (12:16):
All locations shooting is expensive.
Steve (12:19):
Yeah, I'm. I'm sure.
Leif (12:21):
Dan enters the girl's bathroom to confront Blair about
the rumors. Blair denies sending the rumor, but then further
pushes the narrative that Dan is sleeping with Ms. Carr.
Steve (12:29):
Yeah. Why would you go into the bathroom,
Dan? That again, like,
weird writing and directing choices. Like, why would
you send Dan into the bathroom to confront
her?
Leif (12:41):
Like, just so they could get that.
Steve (12:43):
Weird, awkward one at the end.
Leif (12:45):
so get that line there. The ladies room. I know you and
Serena were having problems. I had no clue they were
anatomical.
Steve (12:51):
Oh, yeah, yeah, that. Well,
and having Dan walk, you know, bumping into the
other girls leaving the bathroom.
But it's like, it was still stupid.
Leif (13:02):
I thought Serena and Ms. Carr meet
outside of school. Ms. Carr is still supportive about
Serena's writing. Serena lets her know about the rumor.
And Gossip Girl. As Serena walks into the school,
Dan shows up and asks to talk to Ms. Carr.
Steve (13:16):
Hey, there's a big rumor about us, so let's get together
in front of everybody and start talking. You should
not be seen with this person
at all.
Like, both of you should immediately be like,
I cannot be in the same place at the same time as
you at all until this shit is cleared
up.
Leif (13:36):
I don't really believe Dan.
Steve (13:38):
I don't blame Dan nearly as
much. I think Dan is smart enough to
know, Wow, I should avoid her
after this.
Leif (13:48):
I feel like everyone's congratulating.
Steve (13:51):
Yeah, true. But Dan also
doesn't really like that kind of
attention a lot of the time anyway.
So I'm. I'm just saying that, like, in both cases,
I think that I. I understand Dan more,
but I also think that the two of them, the
Dan that we've known so far, I feel Realistically would be
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like, oh shit, I better stay away. But instead dives
right into it.
Leif (14:14):
It does make sense that he would want to go to apologize right away.
Steve (14:17):
Apologize, yes. But yeah.
Nonetheless, you're idiots for being seen
at all together.
Leif (14:25):
Chuck is speaking with the realtor for the mysterious house and
uses his family name to pressure her into doing something
unethical. Chuck calls the owner, is told that
Annie couldn't have been in New York last night. But Chuck leaves
her a message.
Steve (14:38):
This was the one Chuck thing that I
liked because it was Chuck
throwing around the Bass name using his
power, which he has now. And he
wasn't trying to flirt or
do anything sexual with this
realtor in that conversation.
So it was nice to see that Chuck, you
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know, taking charge a little bit without it
trying to be banging this real estate
person.
Leif (15:07):
It's pretty low bar.
Steve (15:08):
It is. It is. It's a very low bar.
The bar for Chuck.
Leif (15:13):
Not I. Yeah, I didn't like. I mean,
he's still doing shitty, so I can't.
Steve (15:18):
Yeah. Yes. He was still doing shady in
Queller's office.
Leif (15:22):
The head mistress and miss Carr questioned Blair about Gossip
Girl and the latest rumor. Nelly flip sides
turning state's witness and Blair was
expelled.
Steve (15:32):
Yes. Nelly taking
a shot.
Well, M deserved. I don't blame
Nelly for this. Nelly has been eyeing
Yale all along. Blair has been
slipping for a while.
Leif (15:49):
We find out later that Dan set this whole up
too.
Steve (15:53):
Well, they. They said right there, Blair says
Dan Humphrey and then it was confirmed by
someone else.
Leif (16:00):
Yeah, no, but Dan is the one who told Ms. Carr to
pressure Nelly.
Steve (16:04):
Oh, I didn't catch that.
Leif (16:06):
It's revealed later. Okay.
Steve (16:07):
Okay. Yeah, I didn't catch that.
Leif (16:09):
Yeah, like when. When Ms. Carr is
thanking Dan, she's like, thanks for pointing me
to the weak link.
Steve (16:17):
I. I did not catch that at all.
Leif (16:20):
Okay, Dan's a little Machiavellian here.
Yeah. Back from
commercial. Harold is waking up Blair.
Blair amidst M to posting the rumor, but that anything she
posted was the truth. How gets very self righteous and
is going to fight the school.
Steve (16:35):
In previous episodes, they wrote
CC in for Lily and I felt
like it didn't work. I feel
like they're writing Harold in for
Eleanor, but I feel like they're.
They've done it in a better
way these past two episodes. We have no Eleanor,
but we have Harold who, you know,
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isn't usually around. And I kind of felt like
it was, we need the parent
there. But I thought that having Harold was the right
decision, that the interactions that he
has that. He sees this other side
of his daughter throughout this.
Leif (17:14):
Well, yeah, because I don't think the story would have made sense for
Eleanor because she would have known right away that Blair was
lying.
Steve (17:20):
Yeah, exactly. And yeah,
I, and I feel that's sort of what I'm
saying is that if this was another pivot,
they did a good, they did a really good job
of the pivot, unlike the CC pivot.
Leif (17:35):
Yeah, I just, I don't think it was a pivot at all. I think it was, it was always.
Steve (17:38):
Just written to be Howard Harold.
Leif (17:39):
Yeah, because, yeah, because you know, he's the
Yale guy anyway, so it makes sense.
Steve (17:44):
yeah. Okay, that does make sense.
Leif (17:46):
Dan is telling Vanessa about telling this car to go after
Nellie for the dirt. Rufus walks in and informs
Dan that the parents council will be discussing the
incident. Yeah, this is where he was telling
Vanessa that he told Ms. Carr to go after
Nelly.
Steve (18:00):
Yeah, yeah, I, I, I missed that
somehow.
Leif (18:04):
Ms. Carr is having yet another inappropriate out of school
meeting with a student. This time it's Serena. Serena
begs for leniency for Blair, but Ms. Carr stands
firm. So inappropriate.
Steve (18:15):
I, at this point I was like, you should kind of
get fired. She shouldn't have
this job.
Leif (18:22):
Serena calls Blair and apologizes for not
being able to make Ms. Carr Budge. Blair
tells Dorota to give away the bulldog from last week.
Give it to Almost match. Give this to.
Steve (18:36):
And I, this is one of those points when
I think the morality of Blair. Waldorf thinks that this is
doing the right generous thing despite it
being like giving someone a dog that they can't
take care of, that they can't
afford that they now have to split all of their
resources in half. The resources that they
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don't have already. Now they have to split all of them in half to keep a
dog alive.
Leif (19:00):
Lily and Rufus arrive at the parameeting and Rufus meets
Harold. Rufus and Harold quickly realize they are on
opposite sides of the issue.
Steve (19:07):
It's interesting that this is the first time that they've
met, especially because of how
Rufus already feels about Blair.
Rufus has had a problem with Blair
because she's been coming after Jenny. She was coming after Jenny for
all that time and so he already doesn't
like your daughter and now you're coming here saying
(19:28):
shit about my kid too. Like fuck
you, dude.
Leif (19:31):
And how, how does Harold, a lawyer, not know the difference between
libel and slander?
That was probably all episode.
Steve (19:40):
Yeah. And, and I'm, yeah,
I would once again throw that back
to Len K. Rosenfeld.
Leif (19:50):
Chuck has a quick phone conversation with me.
However, before the scene cuts, the mysterious L
walks into the room, leaving Chuck in stunned
silence.
Steve (20:00):
That, ah, was out of nowhere. Like, where the. Did she even come
from? I know Chuck left the message to
the. To the other person, but also, why are
you just hanging out at this house all day
waiting for something to happen? And why is
no one being shown this house but
Chuck?
Leif (20:19):
Yeah, it's all weird. Why isn't he at school?
Steve (20:22):
Yeah. And why isn't he at school
where.
Leif (20:26):
Running the door. Right? At the company.
Steve (20:27):
Yeah. Why isn't. Yeah, why isn't nate at school?
Leif (20:31):
Ms. Carr is having yet another inappropriate
date with Dan. Ms. Carr gets all
teary eyed and basically admits that she would Dan if
circumstances only slightly different. As dan
is comforting Ms. Carr, Serena walks by the
restaurant and snaps a cannon pick of the, let's say
couple.
Steve (20:49):
So at this point, she gives like
three reasons.
Leif (20:53):
Like, three. Like circumstances where she would, you know.
Steve (20:55):
Where she would hook up with him. Like if he didn't go to another
school. If you. And it ends with call me in five
years and you're talking to this
student's boyfriend, you're openly
flirting with a student and saying like, oh,
well, maybe in a few years. That's
horrifying. That's disgusting. And no,
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you're not. You are just a few years
apart. And in five years, no,
it really wouldn't be a super inappropriate
relationship other than the fact that you were thinking about this
kid when he was a teenager, so now it's already
tainted. If he waited five years, you
know, like, everything about this is just
wrong. And at this point. Yeah,
(21:38):
fire her.
Absolutely fire her.
She's out there having coffee with
students. Like, fire
her. She doesn't brush his hand away when she. When
he's cupping her hair behind her
ear. Fire her.
Leif (21:56):
Yeah. Yeah. Spotted.
Lonely boy going from teacher's pet to Persona nia
grata in the pitter patter of the heartbeats.
Steve (22:05):
Missed opportunity. Going from teacher's pet to petting
the teacher.
Leif (22:09):
We move into Act 3. Chuck is
talking in the dark with a, mysterious. With a mysterious
L. The imitation wasn't for Chuck. It was for
his father. I guess the club didn't get the times
today of Bart's front page obituary.
El admits to drugging Chuck, hoping he would forget
all about the party.
Steve (22:29):
When Chuck was like, save me from what I'm
like, save.
Come on. the other thing.
There's a little bit of a question
mark here. They're talking about his dad's death and this
secret society and all of this stuff that.
That makes me wonder if
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Bart's death is somehow related
to this secret society.
But I also don't know that the Gossip Girl
writers ever think that far ahead on.
Leif (23:03):
Vanessa shows up at Nate wearing the mask he sent
earlier.
Steve (23:07):
Good for them when the eyes first. When she first opened it, I
thought it was a bra when she opened that thing. But
also good for Nate and Vanessa. I'm glad that
they are, as of right now, smooth
sailing. I. Super boring.
Yep. I don't care though. I'm happy for
them. You don't have to show them a lot. You can bore me
with them. I'd rather you bore me with them
(23:29):
than bore me with Dan and Serena getting back together and breaking
up. Because I know, because I'm just sitting there
like they're going to fucking do it again.
Leif (23:40):
At Blair's, Serena reluctantly hands over the photo
photo she just snapped of Dan in his car.
Serena manages to send Danny text that he needs to
show up at the meeting before Blair drags
Serena to said meeting.
Steve (23:53):
Yep.
Leif (23:54):
It was just so take a stand, Serena.
Steve (23:57):
Yeah. You know that Blair is going to use this for
something bad. You know, you should talk to Dan about this
first. So you. You're fucking
everything up, Serena, and you know it.
Leif (24:08):
This goes back to the whole Serena
just doing things because she knows and then, using plausible
deniability to get away with it.
Steve (24:15):
Yeah, exactly. And
it's also she's mad at
both of them right now. She's mad at what she
saw. And here's the thing. Serena
has every right to be mad about what she saw because what she saw
was super inappropriate. That if that
was. First of all, if that was any other
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girl, Serena has every right to be mad. If
you're having that intimate of a conversation,
your girlfriend can be mad.
Leif (24:44):
I think Dan was definitely hitting on her.
Steve (24:45):
yeah, like it was all out of line.
And so Serena handing the photo over.
Yes, she fucked over Dan and she fucked over Ms.
Carr. But she isn't wrong
either because the fallout
is what it should have been anyway.
Leif (25:02):
Harold the lawyer and Rufus, an idiot, continue to
mislabel this as slander in the meeting. Then
Blair bursts in and shows everyone the photo of Dan in his
car and.
Steve (25:12):
And busted here. Yeah,
it's.
Leif (25:16):
Dan shows up outside the meeting and tells Serena the
truth. However, even Dan recognized the
photo is pretty damning.
Steve (25:23):
Once again we have Rufus not listening to his kids
and at the same time you have Howard
finally listening to his.
Leif (25:31):
Harold.
Steve (25:32):
Harold. Yeah. Damn it. I keep calling him Howard. But
Harold finally listens to Blair
and hears that she's not the
little daddy's little girl angel that he thinks she
is.
Leif (25:43):
The meeting breaks up. Ms. Carr has been fired.
However, Harold overhears Blair telling Dan and
Serena that the rumor was a lie and he becomes
incredibly disappointed.
Steve (25:54):
Yes, this is where I was a little bit ahead,
but this is where Rufus
storms away from Dan. When Dan's like, it's
not true and we'll talk later.
Leif (26:05):
Serena and Dan have an honest conversation.
Even though Serena believes Dan, they break up yet
again.
Steve (26:12):
Of fucking course.
Leif (26:14):
Can we keep them apart now? They're clearly not to
be together.
Steve (26:17):
No, they're not.
They're.
Because that's the thing there. I. I
just have this. I know it in my gut that this isn't
done. And maybe for this season, that'd be
great, but they're going to. One of them is going to
start. Well, Dan's going to start car.
So Serena's going to get jealous. Well, she's not going
to know anyway.
Leif (26:37):
Who's the next guest star?
Steve (26:39):
who's the next guest star?
Leif (26:43):
Sometimes the only thing left to do is
wrap your arms around each other one last time
and then just let go. I agree.
Gossip Girl.
Steve (26:53):
Yep.
Leif (26:54):
Just let go.
Steve (26:55):
just let go.
Leif (26:56):
We move into the epilogue.
The next morning, Dan and Rufus are having a
conversation. Rufus is actually making some sense for
once. Even though he believes that there was no actual
affair. What Ms. Carr was doing was completely
inappropriate. Dan gets a bit self righteous and
takes all the blame on himself, completely
exonerating Ms. Carr.
Steve (27:18):
I really appreciated Rufus's
stance here.
Leif (27:22):
Yeah.
Steve (27:22):
I really appreciated him finally
being on the logical side of things.
Yeah. You didn't sleep with her. She still
shouldn't be working there.
Leif (27:33):
Yeah. Serena goes to Ms. Carr's apartment to
apologize. Ms. Carr gives her back her
essay along with praise for her writing that tells her
it's better if Serena just goes away.
Steve (27:44):
Yeah. Serena, you
up here? You. You up.
You were mad and you
cost someone their career, so they're going to be a little
upset with you.
Leif (27:58):
she cost her softer career.
Steve (28:00):
No, you're right. I'm not
defending Ms. Carr in any way, shape or form. I'm
just also saying Serena to go to her and be like. But we can still
be friends, right? Is a little.
Leif (28:10):
Yeah.
Steve (28:11):
Is a little ridiculous.
Leif (28:12):
And why did she want us to.
Steve (28:13):
Be friends with her? And why do you want to be friends with her?
Leif (28:15):
She just Stole your boyfriend?
Steve (28:17):
Yeah.
Leif (28:18):
Harold and Ramon have a goodbye conversation. In
Blair's room. Harold drops some hard
truths. Handsome Dan has to go back to France with
Harold. So Blair lifts the bulldog by the balls and
sets him on the floor.
Steve (28:31):
That dog by the balls. I didn't notice it the
first time, but wow.
Leif (28:37):
What that direction was that just a choice by
Lane. She.
Steve (28:41):
I hold dog.
Leif (28:42):
She just scooped right up behind him.
Steve (28:47):
Harold had to do some hard parenting too.
It's not easy to be disappointed in your
kid. And that's rough. The
not going to the airport with her. That hit me
because that, It's hard.
Leif (29:00):
Chuck is rummaging through his father's safe.
He finds a box full of invitations similar to the one
he had received with just an address and time written on
a card with the mysterious symbol on it.
Chuck gets a call from L's boss who sells
who says, l never got off the train back
from New York.
(29:22):
Guess we're continuing this story next week.
Steve (29:24):
Yeah. This is him on the safe. In the safe. You
right. When he goes through the safe.
Leif (29:29):
Yeah.
Steve (29:29):
How many times has he been through that safe? He's been through that
safe since. Since Bart was alive. He's been
in and out of that safe a million times. And you never found
this thing of invitations?
Leif (29:40):
He probably. It just said
invitations before. He had no idea his dream
girls there.
Steve (29:46):
Sure, sure.
Leif (29:49):
Dan goes to visit Ms. Carr and apologizes for getting
her fired. However, Ms.
Carr, leans in and goes for the
kiss. She pulls Dan inside her
apartment.
Steve (30:02):
Yeah. So fucking dumb. Oh, I just got
fired five minutes ago. So instead of taking any legal
action against the school for, or trying to
get my job back in any other way, or trying to find another
job, I'm gonna bang this student that I was hot
for since the moment I met him
the first day I
was at the school.
Leif (30:25):
And this is how Dan Humphrey's porn career started.
Weller is meeting with Rufus and Lily to tell them that Ms.
Carr will be reinstated due to
insufficient evidence. And those teachers
unions.
Steve (30:37):
Yeah, I. And I'd be
surprised if they're unionized at a private school.
At that kind of private school, I don't think CAR would have
a whole lot of leg to stand on at a school like that. They
really are usually you're gone.
The flip side to it, if they're not going to fire
her, she should at least be written up.
(30:58):
Like there should be a record of.
She, had inappropriate off
campus meetings. Off campus meetings with students.
And she should be told you are not to
Meet off campus with students. And you are
not to meet one on one with students.
Leif (31:15):
Now we see Serena is leaving a message for Dan. She
apologizes to Dan and asked if they can just
forget the whole Rachel thing.
Steve (31:22):
No, see, Serena, you broke up. You broke up again
five minutes ago. You broke the fuck up.
Leif (31:28):
They're so fucking horny, these two. Yeah.
They just gotta fuck.
Steve (31:32):
Yeah. And Dan's gonna get that message later, be like, oh, shit. But I
bang Car, and now I want to bang Serena some more.
Oh, no. Who do I bang?
Leif (31:40):
That might be hard to do, because as we switch back to
Dan and his Cara. It's one thing to forget about a
crush, but it's another when carnal knowledge is in the
picture. If she had just waited another five
minutes, she might have gotten the call from Queller that she had
her job back.
Steve (31:55):
Yeah. I was unclear as
to whose phone that was that we saw at
the end if it was Dan's or hers, because it's the missed message
from Serena. But then there's also a missed message from
Queller. They should have had both the phones with missed
messages.
Leif (32:10):
I assume that was cars, because they were. It showed it as
we heard the message from Kohler.
Steve (32:14):
That's. That's kind of what I was thinking, too.
Leif (32:17):
And we end the episode with the Gossip Girl
monologue. They say every
action has an equal and opposite reaction, and
once something is set in motion, it can't help but
gain momentum. One thing's for certain, on the
Upper east side, what goes around comes M.
Around. Xo, xo,
Gossip Girl. Where are we heading
(32:39):
next?
Steve (32:40):
we're gonna hear more about this fucking Chuck thing, I'm
sure. At least another episode or two
of Chuck figuring out this
stupid fucking mystery secret
society.
Leif (32:52):
Secret society. Secret society. I think this
is number three.
Steve (32:57):
Yeah. We don't have a name for this one
yet. No, we've had the Skull and Bones.
We've had the Colonial Colony Club.
Colony Club, right. Yeah, I. And I
think that we're gonna get a little bit of a mess of
Serena and Dan, and they're gonna kind of maybe
almost get together again, and then Serena's gonna find out she
banked that he banged Car. That's kind of
(33:20):
my thoughts there. Car
is gonna,
Leif (33:23):
Are Dan and Ms. Carr gonna be, like, just hooking up at school
now?
Steve (33:27):
Yeah, totally. There. It's gonna be a whole secret
relationship. Absolutely.
Leif (33:32):
Oh, boy.
Steve (33:33):
Yeah.
Leif (33:33):
Oh, boy.
Steve (33:34):
Yeah. it is a plot line that bothers me. It
bothered me in Pretty Little Liars, and that's
Seasons.
It.
It really bothers me, the teacher student thing,
because they don't do enough to really
make it inappropriate. They make it look
hot. And it is m.
And I understand why.
(33:56):
It's just so bad
on so many levels. It's
predatory. And.
Leif (34:03):
Yeah.
Steve (34:03):
I tend to just hate these plot lines.
And here's the other thing is that it does
happen, and it happens a
little too often. In fact, I
guarantee that it would
happen more if it weren't
for students saying no.
I've worked with people that would say
(34:26):
something and I'd have to call them on it. That.
That's your student you're talking about. Like, that's creepy.
And it's something that does happen.
And I. When I see it on tv, I
want it to be villainized. Villainized.
Thank you. Yeah. I want it. I don't want it to be hot. I
want it to be wrong. Yeah.
Leif (34:46):
Which, you know, they definitely tread the line with
this one.
Steve (34:50):
Yeah. Yeah.
Leif (34:51):
Different school. Yeah. He's
technically, you know, legal consent age.
Steve (34:57):
yeah. Because. Well, so Dan is
17, and that would put him in the
legal consent. Except for the fact that she is in
a position of power.
Leif (35:06):
Yeah.
Steve (35:07):
So she does have a job at the
same organization, despite it being a
different school. I'm fairly certain
that a teacher
that. Except for certain
positions of power, it isn't your teacher. It's
any teacher. So there is that side of
it.
Leif (35:28):
Go ahead and get into some segments.
This week in fan. And we jumped into the wayback machine to
visit the television without pity forums from
2009. Hello there,
Peabody here. And this is the wayback machine
for traveling through time. And this is my boy,
Sherman.
Steve (35:46):
Speak, Sherman. Hello.
Leif (35:47):
Good boy. You got mixed opinions on
what Blair did, but universal dislike for
what Ms. Carr was doing.
Steve (35:55):
Yes. Objectively wrong.
Leif (35:57):
Some people were down on Blair for spreading
rumors that were not true. But some people were
completely supported.
Steve (36:04):
It is not okay to spread rumors that aren't
true. The rumor there was
smoke where that turned into fire.
Leif (36:12):
Yeah. They actually like that Dan is stepping out of
character and doing a Chuck like storyline.
Steve (36:19):
Okay. I guess it's a
little Chuck like, while Chuck is doing
a dumb like storyline.
Leif (36:27):
Hoping this is the end of Dan and Serena.
Steve (36:30):
no, it can't be. Here's why.
Lily and Rufus are together now. Right. If Lily
and Lily and Rufus stay together, which I
feel like they've gotten to here, I don't see why they wouldn't.
If Lily and Rufus are together next
season, by next season, something has to happen
with Dan. And Serena. Because if they're all living under the.
Leif (36:50):
Same roof, well, they're way off the college
next year.
Steve (36:54):
Oh, yeah. They are moving. Yeah. They haven't had the
awkward, full awkwardness of the parents
and them in a good place. And
I feel like that has to happen before Dan and
Serena were actually tied off.
So I do. I can't imagine this is the end of
Dan and Serena.
Leif (37:14):
We can only hope.
Steve (37:15):
We could hope. We could hope. Dorota's
love always heart
emoji eyes.
Leif (37:22):
Love the costume and love the side eyeing
Blair.
Steve (37:25):
Yes. I love how aware Dorota is
of how much of an asshole Blair is.
Leif (37:31):
The forums definitely pointed out the age of consent in New York
is 17.
Steve (37:35):
Most states have a caveat that it
like police Officers can't date 17 year olds
and teachers can't date 17 year olds. Public officials
can't date 17 year olds. There is like a
professional thing
in there.
Leif (37:50):
Eager, eagerly awaiting Blair's revenge
on Nelly.
Steve (37:55):
Yeah, that's going to be juicy. Well,
it should be.
Leif (38:00):
Nelly seems like she's, She's winning here.
Steve (38:02):
Nelly's a competitor. Could Nelly usurp
Blair and become the new queen?
Leif (38:07):
Well, school almost over.
Steve (38:09):
She have five minutes at the end.
Leif (38:11):
Her. Her. Her wedding is getting at the Yale.
Blair doesn't.
Steve (38:15):
Yeah. Which I'm really. I'm really starting to feel
that has to happen because they can't all go to Yale.
They can't leave the Upper east side.
Leif (38:23):
No one's a fan of the Chuck storyline.
Steve (38:25):
No.
Leif (38:26):
And Nate and Vanessa. Cute, but pointless.
Steve (38:29):
Again, I'm good with it. I. Stan. Nate.
I love seeing Nate happy, even with
Vanessa.
Leif (38:36):
Let's go ahead and move over to some episode
grades.
What do you got this week, Steve?
Steve (38:44):
I went low. I gave this a D plus. I
thought this was maybe the worst episode
we've seen so far. I thought that
aside from the plot lines that I thought were just
kind of dull and uninspired, I thought
the writing to get through them wasn't good.
I thought again, weird directorial
choices, especially with the Chuck
(39:07):
stuff. The. Why is he coming down the
stairs? Why? Just so many weird
things. Yeah, I hated this.
Leif (39:14):
Yeah. A lot of that stuff with Chuck was an attempt at
an homage to Eyes Wide Shut. Eyes Wide Shut Never
seen. I said a lot of those shots.
Steve (39:22):
Looked like that movie did it. Yeah.
Leif (39:24):
But that. Ah, that story definitely brought down.
Other than I actually like this episode. Other than that storyline,
it would have been like a B, but that brought it down to a C plus
for me.
Steve (39:34):
I think that the triggering nature of the teacher
storylines for me, that probably also
really worked into that.
Leif (39:41):
I mean, I hate that they did it, but I think it
was. I mean, yes, you would have liked to see him
villainize it more, but I think it was a good,
dramatic storyline.
Steve (39:51):
I get it.
Leif (39:52):
On the stock flash, who you got going up?
Steve (39:55):
Nate, Vanessa, Nelly. That's it. Nate and
Vanessa are happy and enjoying life, and Nelly
Yuki just got the upper hand on, Blair.
Leif (40:03):
I just couldn't give Nate, Vanessa, anything because they just
didn't give anything. So they're just neutral me.
Steve (40:10):
That's fair.
Leif (40:11):
But I did have Nelly Yuki. I had
Dorota for being a, you know, carrying
Blair.
Steve (40:17):
Yeah.
Leif (40:17):
As usual. And I gave it to Rufus because
you and I. He was an as usual. He was kind of right in the
end.
Steve (40:23):
He was right in the end. I almost gave it to Rufus. I
kept him neutral because of
the shitty moments when he wasn't listening to
Dan. And then he comes back and has the better
moment at the end. So I kept him neutral.
Leif (40:37):
Who do you got going down?
Steve (40:38):
I have Dan, Serena,
Blair, Rachel, and
the now disappeared Elle, because she
disappeared.
Leif (40:47):
For me, the biggest one is obviously Miss. Ms.
Carr.
Steve (40:51):
Yeah.
Leif (40:51):
Blair is. She's.
She's not expelled, but she's. Yeah, she's
not doing too well here.
Steve (41:00):
She lost her dad's respect. Yeah. And
that is something, that means a lot to her. She
did all of this for her dad's respect.
Leif (41:08):
I also gave Chuck going down because he's
just running around being an idiot.
Serena, because she got broken up with
and basically cheated on the other minions.
Minus Nelly. All go down. Harold, for
just. For not knowing the difference between libel and
slander as a lawyer.
Steve (41:28):
Fair.
Leif (41:29):
And I kept going back and forth on Dan.
he got weighed. He got what he wanted, but
he did was a bad boyfriend of Serena. So I ended up going
down.
Steve (41:39):
Yeah. Bad boyfriend to Sabrina and broke up with
Serena. That. Yeah, all of that
stuff. But here's the best outfits from
the last episode we've
seen.
Leif (41:52):
Who, do you got for the best outfit?
Steve (41:54):
I really liked Lily's outfit
that she wore to the. To the
hearing, where it was like the black
on the top with the Greene sort of scarf
underneath. I thought that was really cool.
Leif (42:09):
So for me, it was a short scene. It was the scene
where Serena brings Blair the p. The
picture, and Blair is wearing a
rosette. Catherine Melodrino, top with a
pencil skirt.
Steve (42:22):
I almost. I almost went with that one because that
was really cool.
Leif (42:26):
That is it for segments you got anything to plug this
week?
Steve (42:30):
this comes out on the 9th, right. So
my show at the Christmas Village is already last
week. So the main thing,
I've been watching the show Shrinking
and if you have Apple tv, I
highly recommend it. Harrison Ford,
Jason Siegel, Jessica Jones. They
are amazing. It was created
(42:53):
by Bill. I can't think of his last name. He
created Scrubs. Yeah, he created
Scrubs and some many other
towns. Cougar Town. And in
fact, it stars the one of the
actor from Scrubs and Cougar
Town. Ah. Who played Dr.
Cox's wife. I can't think of her name.
Leif (43:15):
from Drew Careyshe.
Steve (43:17):
Yes. Yeah, she was. She's on the show.
Ted McGinty is her husband. So, they
jumped the shark on episode one and Ted
McGinty on that show is my spirit animal.
He's amazing.
Leif (43:30):
So check out Shrinking if you want to follow
me. I am on Instagram and
bluesky@hotcapicola. That's
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Steve (43:59):
And if you would like to get in touch with us, please
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we would love to hear what you have to say and maybe read your
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please, while you're listening, give us a like
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we'd love to have you have the water Cooler
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Leif (44:41):
And we will be back next week to talk about season
two, episode 18,
the age of Dissidents.
The Netflix episode description reads,
the seniors put on a production of the Age of Innocence.
Chuck enlist help from an unlikely source.
Steve (44:59):
Oh boy, oh
boy play.
Leif (45:03):
Sounds fun though.
Steve (45:04):
yeah. Yeah. And probably highly
inappropriate for a high school.
Leif (45:10):
Well, until next time, you know you love us.
Steve (45:12):
Xoxo.
Every time you walk away, run away, you take a
piece of me with you there.
Every time you walk away or run away, you take a
piece of me with you there
every time you walk away and run away you take a piece
of me with you there
(45:33):
oh, it seems I'm walking right to
your.
Door.
My heart's still resting looking for
something more
are you ever gonna see everything you mean to
me I'm trying really hard to believe
every time you walk away or run away you take a piece
(45:55):
of me with you there
every time you walk away or run away you take a piece
of me with you there
every time you walk away or run away you take a
piece of me with you there
never feels right when I'm out here on
my own
(46:17):
I left last night and it feels like
way too long
are you ever gonna see everything you mean to
me I'm trying really hard to believe
every time you walk away run away you take a piece
of me with you there
Every time you walk away run away you take a
(46:40):
piece of me with you there
Every time you walk away or run away you take a
piece of m me with you there
come back to me
smile and you'll make my life
complete
(47:03):
every time you walk away or run away you take a piece
of me with you there
Every time you walk away or run away you take a
piece of me with you there
every time you walk away or run away you take a piece
of me with you there
every time you walk away run away you take a
(47:25):
piece of me with you there
Every time you walk away run away you take a piece
of me with you there
Every time you walk away run away you take a
piece of m me with you there
Every time you walk away or run away you take a piece
of me with you there
(47:48):
Every time you walk away or run away you take a
piece of me with you there.
Oh, I just got fired five minutes ago. So instead of taking any
legal action against the school for or
trying to get my job back in any other way, or trying to find
another job, I'm going to bang this student that I
was hot for since the moment I met
him the first day
I was at the school.
Leif (00:27):
Hey, Upper East Siders and all you scandal loving listeners out
there. You just tuned into the non judging breakfast
pod where the coffee is strong, the
waffles are fresh, and the gossip is hotter than
ever. My name is Leif and I'm, your seasoned Gossip
Girl veteran.
Steve (00:41):
And I'm Steve. I'm the newbie, the greenhorn,
the, I don't know, Leif, what are we calling the season two newbies
now?
Leif (00:48):
If Cornflower Mary can come in and tell us through how to run
things and everything we stood for all these years is nothing.
Steve (00:54):
Well, fire me for inappropriate
relationships. Sounds
good. So here's
the deal, folks. Leif has been watching this show since it
first aired in 2007. And I'm diving in for
the first time. And together, we're your dynamic
duo, bringing you all the drama, romance, and
sometimes questionable fashion choices of this
(01:16):
iconic 2007 series.
Leif (01:18):
That's right. Each week we'll be taking a deep dive into the
show one episode at a time. We'll analyze the
hidden parallels of obscure references and we're
also going to take a look at some behind the scenes gossip and stories
from fandom along the way.
Steve (01:31):
And since we are all about inclusivity here at the non
judging breakfast pod, there is always a seat for you at the
non judging breakfast table. So go ahead and grab a
mimosa, some coffee, or maybe some of Nate
and Chuck special medicine. And let's get into this
episode.
Leif (01:46):
We are here to talk about season two,
episode 17 of Gossip Girl
titled Carnal Knowledge.
Steve (01:54):
Yes, and, this is. I. I've
heard of this. I never saw it.
Leif (01:59):
The original release date of this episode was on February
2, 2009. And yes,
the movie was based on Carnal Knowledge 19,
71 dramedy directed by Mike Nichols
and starring Jack Nicholson, Candice
Bergen, Art Garfunkel and Ann
Margaret.
Steve (02:17):
If I am correct, this is around
the time Simon and Garfunkel were falling
apart and when they were making this. And the
song only living boy in New York
came from him basically singing
to Art Garfunkel saying, yes, it's
your time to take this and it's your time to do this.
(02:37):
That's my understanding of that song. And
how did that work? Out for him.
Leif (02:45):
This episode was written by Len K.
Rosenfeld, previously wrote
Daredevil, School Lies, Chuck
in real life, and it was also co
written by Alexandra McNally,
who previously co wrote New Haven Can Wait with
Josh Saffron.
Steve (03:02):
Yeah. And we like New Haven can wait.
Leif (03:04):
Yeah. Directed by Elizabeth Ann
Rosenbaum. This is her only Gossip
Girl episode. She did two teen
type movies early on in her career, but some
music videos along the way, but mostly tv.
But she's definitely a teen drama specialist.
She's done work on vampire diaries, the
(03:24):
920 reboot, all American,
and, of.
Steve (03:28):
Course, this is before all of that too. Yeah. Because
this. The directing in this, I
felt seemed amateur at
times. Like I. I felt. And I think that it was
partially that the writing didn't give the director a lot
to go on, but I thought there were some really weird
directorial decisions.
Leif (03:47):
So why don't you go ahead and give us the Vulture recap?
Steve (03:50):
All right, so the Vulture recap.
This week's episode of Gossip Girl broke
all the rules. Blair broke the invisible
barrier between Gossip Girl herself and the parents
of St. Jude's and Constance Billard.
Nelly Yuki broke the bonds of friendship and
loyalty. Rachel Carr broke nearly
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every tenet of private school teaching. And the show
as a whole violated the ultimate, homage
gimmick rule. If you're making obvious and
overwrought references to something else, don't
have a character on screen acknowledge
it. The moment Chuck said the words
eyes wide shut, even the very
mild feeling of amusement and curiosity we'd
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had regarding this pot line
was shattered. From that moment
on, our own eyes were wide
shut. Hoping against all hopes
that we weren't witnessing the moment when the greatest show
of our time jumped the biggest shark
on prime time.
Leif (04:51):
Not a great storyline.
Steve (04:52):
No, no, this was
bad.
Leif (04:56):
And just proof that Chuck can't
carry a storyline.
Steve (05:00):
Cannot carry a storyline.
Leif (05:03):
So we start the episode with the Gossip Girl monologue
while Upper east siders are hitting the snooze button. Blair
Waldorf had a rude awakening when the rooster crowed at
dawn this morning. And we open up with Blair
talking on the phone to Serena complaining about her
detention. However, Dorota is the one actually
doing Blair's community service.
Steve (05:22):
Yes, we catch Blair working hard watching Dorota do
all of her community service. Although
Blair has the awareness when she
sees Harold to stop
and grab it from Dorota and
pretend that she's doing the work.
So obviously, like, there. There
is. There's sometimes this thing with Blair
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that I wonder if her morality is
she actually thinks that she's doing the right thing.
And so I like when we see that she knows she's
not.
Leif (05:55):
Blair decides that Serena isn't a good ally
in her war against Ms. Carr. Blair sees
Harold walking up and takes the garbage grabber from Dorota to make it
look like she had been doing the work. Harold is completely
oblivious to the type of girl Blair is. And Dorota
side eyes her in the background.
Steve (06:12):
Yeah, and that's the other thing, is that
Harold doesn't know his daughter at all,
really.
Leif (06:19):
Ms. Carr is once again meeting Dan outside of
class. They appear to have bonded over their shared
outsider experience. Serena comes in and
things are a little awkward.
Steve (06:29):
The only one and only
thing I'm gonna say about
the Dan Ms. Carr thing
is he does technically go to a
different school. Outside of that,
everything is fucked. What are
you thinking?
Leif (06:49):
What?
Steve (06:50):
How has no, In your training to be a teacher,
how has no one yet pulled you aside and said, never be alone
with a student? Like, that was student teaching
for me. Someone came up to me and was like.
I was making copies in the office with a
student, and someone came up to me and was like,
never do that again.
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Never do that
again.
Leif (07:15):
Yeah, not a good idea.
Steve (07:18):
Never.
Leif (07:19):
Chuck wakes up having flashes of a decadent
party. He notices a new tattoo on his wrist.
Chuck calls Nate and gives him an address at which to
meet.
Steve (07:28):
Oh, what the fuck is this? Was. That's.
What the fuck?
Leif (07:32):
I mean, have you seen Eyes Wide Shut?
Steve (07:33):
I have not, but I
culturally pop. Culturally know
enough about it to know
it's basically.
Leif (07:42):
This is basically the same story. He wakes up and he
remembers having some crazy night with some young girl.
Steve (07:47):
Yeah. And has to retrace his steps. And he actually
has sex with Nicole Kidman. In the
actual movie, Blair arrives at.
Leif (07:56):
School and hands over her community service hours to a
condescending Ms. Carr.
Steve (08:01):
Yeah.
Leif (08:02):
Oh, Henry David Thoreau.
Steve (08:04):
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Ms.
Carr.
Leif (08:07):
Blair tries to rally her troops for war, but the
Minions want no part of a fight with Ms. Carr.
Lucky for Blair Queller and Carr forcing all the students
to check their phones to the door, giving Blair the kindling
she needs to light a fire under the Minions.
Steve (08:22):
Yeah. And you know, you see Blair
losing the Minions here, and she
gives this what's supposed to be arousing
speech, and it's so. It's just
poorly written. Again, it's just like these
weird cliches of, And
Blair should be better than that, at least a little
bit. I don't know. I was really disappointed.
Leif (08:44):
I guess I thought that was. I think that's just
Blair.
Steve (08:48):
Yeah. Yeah. I just thought
it was a little.
Leif (08:52):
Ever. She's clever. She's not the smartest person in the room.
Steve (08:55):
Yeah. Yeah.
Leif (08:57):
Every great leader knows you don't send your girls into the field
unarmed. If we know Blair Waldorf
Munitions are on their way.
We move into Act 2.
Back from the commercial, Blair and the mean girls are going through
Gossip Girl withdrawal. However, Dorota manages
to sneak a contraband phone into the
school.
Steve (09:18):
Is this candle even a scandal if I can't text about
it?
Leif (09:22):
Yeah, I got. She's just, like, sitting there, like, mining. Texting.
Steve (09:25):
Yeah. I. I loved the minions
in this, especially.
Leif (09:30):
Especially Hazel, Vanessa and Nate
meet Chuck outside a mysterious location. From the business
card. Chuck leads them inside and describes
meeting his perfect woman at this exclusive
gentleman's club.
Steve (09:43):
Great.
Leif (09:45):
Back at school, Blair is berating the minions for
failing to dig up dirt on this car.
Steve (09:50):
Yeah, I have to say that earlier in the episode,
before we got to this scene, I turned to Robin and
said, kind of like Hazel's hair. And
then she. On Hazel's hair. I was like,
oh, well, that. There's
my world. That's my fashion advice.
Leif (10:09):
However, the amma Blair niece practically
falls into her lap when she sees Dan in this car
flirting in the hallway. Blair quickly sends a
tip to Gossip Girl. Blair then quotes Gossip Girl as
we go to another commercial break.
Steve (10:22):
Yeah, we get, like, awkward Dan,
which we. We know Awkward Dan, and we know Dan
gets like that. But, like, you're talking about her
shirt. What the fuck? It was just
too awkward.
Leif (10:35):
Free Dan.
Steve (10:36):
Yeah, exactly.
Leif (10:38):
But so normally, we would have got in
a Gossip Girl monologue here. Instead,
we get Blair quoting Gossip Girl. This goes
for a commercial breakdown.
Steve (10:48):
Yeah. Yeah, because she.
Leif (10:49):
Oh.
Steve (10:50):
Because she texts Gossip Girl, and it.
Leif (10:51):
Says, xoxo, Gossip, Girl.
Steve (10:53):
You're right. You're right. She does. Yeah. That's interesting.
Leif (10:56):
I'm gonna throw out there. As we return
from commercial break, Dan is getting high five. Then
congratulated by the guys we have never seen before.
Jenny comes up and fills Danny on the gossip about
Dan and Ms. Carr.
Steve (11:09):
I love how clueless he is. I also love that
he trashes Jenny's makeup, and he's like, you don't look like
a raccoon anymore.
Leif (11:17):
Damn, that's kind of a brother
sister.
Steve (11:21):
Yeah. Yeah. I. And I love Jenny's involvement in this.
Having it all written out on her hand because she couldn't get the
text.
Leif (11:27):
Serena comes up to Dan to confront him about the
post. She believes him that nothing happened, but
she, Side eye when he calls Ms. Car.
Rachel while defending her.
Steve (11:37):
Yeah, because you shouldn't be calling her
Rachel. I know. She told you to.
Leif (11:42):
Well, Serena's also calling her Rachel.
Steve (11:44):
Yeah. Yeah.
Leif (11:45):
Back at the mysterious house, Chuck finds a picture of
the mysterious woman holding a baby. The plot
thickens.
Steve (11:52):
This was one of the parts that I thought was just really
poorly written and directed. When he comes down
the stairs and then is like, oh, and there was a
curtain here. Like, you would have seen that first. When you.
Like, the things that you saw first, you're
now describing after you've toured the whole house.
It just seemed like we
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have this house that we have to shoot in for one day. So let's
get all this done.
Leif (12:16):
All locations shooting is expensive.
Steve (12:19):
Yeah, I'm. I'm sure.
Leif (12:21):
Dan enters the girl's bathroom to confront Blair about
the rumors. Blair denies sending the rumor, but then further
pushes the narrative that Dan is sleeping with Ms. Carr.
Steve (12:29):
Yeah. Why would you go into the bathroom,
Dan? That again, like,
weird writing and directing choices. Like, why would
you send Dan into the bathroom to confront
her?
Leif (12:41):
Like, just so they could get that.
Steve (12:43):
Weird, awkward one at the end.
Leif (12:45):
so get that line there. The ladies room. I know you and
Serena were having problems. I had no clue they were
anatomical.
Steve (12:51):
Oh, yeah, yeah, that. Well,
and having Dan walk, you know, bumping into the
other girls leaving the bathroom.
But it's like, it was still stupid.
Leif (13:02):
I thought Serena and Ms. Carr meet
outside of school. Ms. Carr is still supportive about
Serena's writing. Serena lets her know about the rumor.
And Gossip Girl. As Serena walks into the school,
Dan shows up and asks to talk to Ms. Carr.
Steve (13:16):
Hey, there's a big rumor about us, so let's get together
in front of everybody and start talking. You should
not be seen with this person
at all.
Like, both of you should immediately be like,
I cannot be in the same place at the same time as
you at all until this shit is cleared
up.
Leif (13:36):
I don't really believe Dan.
Steve (13:38):
I don't blame Dan nearly as
much. I think Dan is smart enough to
know, Wow, I should avoid her
after this.
Leif (13:48):
I feel like everyone's congratulating.
Steve (13:51):
Yeah, true. But Dan also
doesn't really like that kind of
attention a lot of the time anyway.
So I'm. I'm just saying that, like, in both cases,
I think that I. I understand Dan more,
but I also think that the two of them, the
Dan that we've known so far, I feel Realistically would be
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like, oh shit, I better stay away. But instead dives
right into it.
Leif (14:14):
It does make sense that he would want to go to apologize right away.
Steve (14:17):
Apologize, yes. But yeah.
Nonetheless, you're idiots for being seen
at all together.
Leif (14:25):
Chuck is speaking with the realtor for the mysterious house and
uses his family name to pressure her into doing something
unethical. Chuck calls the owner, is told that
Annie couldn't have been in New York last night. But Chuck leaves
her a message.
Steve (14:38):
This was the one Chuck thing that I
liked because it was Chuck
throwing around the Bass name using his
power, which he has now. And he
wasn't trying to flirt or
do anything sexual with this
realtor in that conversation.
So it was nice to see that Chuck, you
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know, taking charge a little bit without it
trying to be banging this real estate
person.
Leif (15:07):
It's pretty low bar.
Steve (15:08):
It is. It is. It's a very low bar.
The bar for Chuck.
Leif (15:13):
Not I. Yeah, I didn't like. I mean,
he's still doing shitty, so I can't.
Steve (15:18):
Yeah. Yes. He was still doing shady in
Queller's office.
Leif (15:22):
The head mistress and miss Carr questioned Blair about Gossip
Girl and the latest rumor. Nelly flip sides
turning state's witness and Blair was
expelled.
Steve (15:32):
Yes. Nelly taking
a shot.
Well, M deserved. I don't blame
Nelly for this. Nelly has been eyeing
Yale all along. Blair has been
slipping for a while.
Leif (15:49):
We find out later that Dan set this whole up
too.
Steve (15:53):
Well, they. They said right there, Blair says
Dan Humphrey and then it was confirmed by
someone else.
Leif (16:00):
Yeah, no, but Dan is the one who told Ms. Carr to
pressure Nelly.
Steve (16:04):
Oh, I didn't catch that.
Leif (16:06):
It's revealed later. Okay.
Steve (16:07):
Okay. Yeah, I didn't catch that.
Leif (16:09):
Yeah, like when. When Ms. Carr is
thanking Dan, she's like, thanks for pointing me
to the weak link.
Steve (16:17):
I. I did not catch that at all.
Leif (16:20):
Okay, Dan's a little Machiavellian here.
Yeah. Back from
commercial. Harold is waking up Blair.
Blair amidst M to posting the rumor, but that anything she
posted was the truth. How gets very self righteous and
is going to fight the school.
Steve (16:35):
In previous episodes, they wrote
CC in for Lily and I felt
like it didn't work. I feel
like they're writing Harold in for
Eleanor, but I feel like they're.
They've done it in a better
way these past two episodes. We have no Eleanor,
but we have Harold who, you know,
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isn't usually around. And I kind of felt like
it was, we need the parent
there. But I thought that having Harold was the right
decision, that the interactions that he
has that. He sees this other side
of his daughter throughout this.
Leif (17:14):
Well, yeah, because I don't think the story would have made sense for
Eleanor because she would have known right away that Blair was
lying.
Steve (17:20):
Yeah, exactly. And yeah,
I, and I feel that's sort of what I'm
saying is that if this was another pivot,
they did a good, they did a really good job
of the pivot, unlike the CC pivot.
Leif (17:35):
Yeah, I just, I don't think it was a pivot at all. I think it was, it was always.
Steve (17:38):
Just written to be Howard Harold.
Leif (17:39):
Yeah, because, yeah, because you know, he's the
Yale guy anyway, so it makes sense.
Steve (17:44):
yeah. Okay, that does make sense.
Leif (17:46):
Dan is telling Vanessa about telling this car to go after
Nellie for the dirt. Rufus walks in and informs
Dan that the parents council will be discussing the
incident. Yeah, this is where he was telling
Vanessa that he told Ms. Carr to go after
Nelly.
Steve (18:00):
Yeah, yeah, I, I, I missed that
somehow.
Leif (18:04):
Ms. Carr is having yet another inappropriate out of school
meeting with a student. This time it's Serena. Serena
begs for leniency for Blair, but Ms. Carr stands
firm. So inappropriate.
Steve (18:15):
I, at this point I was like, you should kind of
get fired. She shouldn't have
this job.
Leif (18:22):
Serena calls Blair and apologizes for not
being able to make Ms. Carr Budge. Blair
tells Dorota to give away the bulldog from last week.
Give it to Almost match. Give this to.
Steve (18:36):
And I, this is one of those points when
I think the morality of Blair. Waldorf thinks that this is
doing the right generous thing despite it
being like giving someone a dog that they can't
take care of, that they can't
afford that they now have to split all of their
resources in half. The resources that they
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don't have already. Now they have to split all of them in half to keep a
dog alive.
Leif (19:00):
Lily and Rufus arrive at the parameeting and Rufus meets
Harold. Rufus and Harold quickly realize they are on
opposite sides of the issue.
Steve (19:07):
It's interesting that this is the first time that they've
met, especially because of how
Rufus already feels about Blair.
Rufus has had a problem with Blair
because she's been coming after Jenny. She was coming after Jenny for
all that time and so he already doesn't
like your daughter and now you're coming here saying
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shit about my kid too. Like fuck
you, dude.
Leif (19:31):
And how, how does Harold, a lawyer, not know the difference between
libel and slander?
That was probably all episode.
Steve (19:40):
Yeah. And, and I'm, yeah,
I would once again throw that back
to Len K. Rosenfeld.
Leif (19:50):
Chuck has a quick phone conversation with me.
However, before the scene cuts, the mysterious L
walks into the room, leaving Chuck in stunned
silence.
Steve (20:00):
That, ah, was out of nowhere. Like, where the. Did she even come
from? I know Chuck left the message to
the. To the other person, but also, why are
you just hanging out at this house all day
waiting for something to happen? And why is
no one being shown this house but
Chuck?
Leif (20:19):
Yeah, it's all weird. Why isn't he at school?
Steve (20:22):
Yeah. And why isn't he at school
where.
Leif (20:26):
Running the door. Right? At the company.
Steve (20:27):
Yeah. Why isn't. Yeah, why isn't nate at school?
Leif (20:31):
Ms. Carr is having yet another inappropriate
date with Dan. Ms. Carr gets all
teary eyed and basically admits that she would Dan if
circumstances only slightly different. As dan
is comforting Ms. Carr, Serena walks by the
restaurant and snaps a cannon pick of the, let's say
couple.
Steve (20:49):
So at this point, she gives like
three reasons.
Leif (20:53):
Like, three. Like circumstances where she would, you know.
Steve (20:55):
Where she would hook up with him. Like if he didn't go to another
school. If you. And it ends with call me in five
years and you're talking to this
student's boyfriend, you're openly
flirting with a student and saying like, oh,
well, maybe in a few years. That's
horrifying. That's disgusting. And no,
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you're not. You are just a few years
apart. And in five years, no,
it really wouldn't be a super inappropriate
relationship other than the fact that you were thinking about this
kid when he was a teenager, so now it's already
tainted. If he waited five years, you
know, like, everything about this is just
wrong. And at this point. Yeah,
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fire her.
Absolutely fire her.
She's out there having coffee with
students. Like, fire
her. She doesn't brush his hand away when she. When
he's cupping her hair behind her
ear. Fire her.
Leif (21:56):
Yeah. Yeah. Spotted.
Lonely boy going from teacher's pet to Persona nia
grata in the pitter patter of the heartbeats.
Steve (22:05):
Missed opportunity. Going from teacher's pet to petting
the teacher.
Leif (22:09):
We move into Act 3. Chuck is
talking in the dark with a, mysterious. With a mysterious
L. The imitation wasn't for Chuck. It was for
his father. I guess the club didn't get the times
today of Bart's front page obituary.
El admits to drugging Chuck, hoping he would forget
all about the party.
Steve (22:29):
When Chuck was like, save me from what I'm
like, save.
Come on. the other thing.
There's a little bit of a question
mark here. They're talking about his dad's death and this
secret society and all of this stuff that.
That makes me wonder if
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Bart's death is somehow related
to this secret society.
But I also don't know that the Gossip Girl
writers ever think that far ahead on.
Leif (23:03):
Vanessa shows up at Nate wearing the mask he sent
earlier.
Steve (23:07):
Good for them when the eyes first. When she first opened it, I
thought it was a bra when she opened that thing. But
also good for Nate and Vanessa. I'm glad that
they are, as of right now, smooth
sailing. I. Super boring.
Yep. I don't care though. I'm happy for
them. You don't have to show them a lot. You can bore me
with them. I'd rather you bore me with them
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than bore me with Dan and Serena getting back together and breaking
up. Because I know, because I'm just sitting there
like they're going to fucking do it again.
Leif (23:40):
At Blair's, Serena reluctantly hands over the photo
photo she just snapped of Dan in his car.
Serena manages to send Danny text that he needs to
show up at the meeting before Blair drags
Serena to said meeting.
Steve (23:53):
Yep.
Leif (23:54):
It was just so take a stand, Serena.
Steve (23:57):
Yeah. You know that Blair is going to use this for
something bad. You know, you should talk to Dan about this
first. So you. You're fucking
everything up, Serena, and you know it.
Leif (24:08):
This goes back to the whole Serena
just doing things because she knows and then, using plausible
deniability to get away with it.
Steve (24:15):
Yeah, exactly. And
it's also she's mad at
both of them right now. She's mad at what she
saw. And here's the thing. Serena
has every right to be mad about what she saw because what she saw
was super inappropriate. That if that
was. First of all, if that was any other
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girl, Serena has every right to be mad. If
you're having that intimate of a conversation,
your girlfriend can be mad.
Leif (24:44):
I think Dan was definitely hitting on her.
Steve (24:45):
yeah, like it was all out of line.
And so Serena handing the photo over.
Yes, she fucked over Dan and she fucked over Ms.
Carr. But she isn't wrong
either because the fallout
is what it should have been anyway.
Leif (25:02):
Harold the lawyer and Rufus, an idiot, continue to
mislabel this as slander in the meeting. Then
Blair bursts in and shows everyone the photo of Dan in his
car and.
Steve (25:12):
And busted here. Yeah,
it's.
Leif (25:16):
Dan shows up outside the meeting and tells Serena the
truth. However, even Dan recognized the
photo is pretty damning.
Steve (25:23):
Once again we have Rufus not listening to his kids
and at the same time you have Howard
finally listening to his.
Leif (25:31):
Harold.
Steve (25:32):
Harold. Yeah. Damn it. I keep calling him Howard. But
Harold finally listens to Blair
and hears that she's not the
little daddy's little girl angel that he thinks she
is.
Leif (25:43):
The meeting breaks up. Ms. Carr has been fired.
However, Harold overhears Blair telling Dan and
Serena that the rumor was a lie and he becomes
incredibly disappointed.
Steve (25:54):
Yes, this is where I was a little bit ahead,
but this is where Rufus
storms away from Dan. When Dan's like, it's
not true and we'll talk later.
Leif (26:05):
Serena and Dan have an honest conversation.
Even though Serena believes Dan, they break up yet
again.
Steve (26:12):
Of fucking course.
Leif (26:14):
Can we keep them apart now? They're clearly not to
be together.
Steve (26:17):
No, they're not.
They're.
Because that's the thing there. I. I
just have this. I know it in my gut that this isn't
done. And maybe for this season, that'd be
great, but they're going to. One of them is going to
start. Well, Dan's going to start car.
So Serena's going to get jealous. Well, she's not going
to know anyway.
Leif (26:37):
Who's the next guest star?
Steve (26:39):
who's the next guest star?
Leif (26:43):
Sometimes the only thing left to do is
wrap your arms around each other one last time
and then just let go. I agree.
Gossip Girl.
Steve (26:53):
Yep.
Leif (26:54):
Just let go.
Steve (26:55):
just let go.
Leif (26:56):
We move into the epilogue.
The next morning, Dan and Rufus are having a
conversation. Rufus is actually making some sense for
once. Even though he believes that there was no actual
affair. What Ms. Carr was doing was completely
inappropriate. Dan gets a bit self righteous and
takes all the blame on himself, completely
exonerating Ms. Carr.
Steve (27:18):
I really appreciated Rufus's
stance here.
Leif (27:22):
Yeah.
Steve (27:22):
I really appreciated him finally
being on the logical side of things.
Yeah. You didn't sleep with her. She still
shouldn't be working there.
Leif (27:33):
Yeah. Serena goes to Ms. Carr's apartment to
apologize. Ms. Carr gives her back her
essay along with praise for her writing that tells her
it's better if Serena just goes away.
Steve (27:44):
Yeah. Serena, you
up here? You. You up.
You were mad and you
cost someone their career, so they're going to be a little
upset with you.
Leif (27:58):
she cost her softer career.
Steve (28:00):
No, you're right. I'm not
defending Ms. Carr in any way, shape or form. I'm
just also saying Serena to go to her and be like. But we can still
be friends, right? Is a little.
Leif (28:10):
Yeah.
Steve (28:11):
Is a little ridiculous.
Leif (28:12):
And why did she want us to.
Steve (28:13):
Be friends with her? And why do you want to be friends with her?
Leif (28:15):
She just Stole your boyfriend?
Steve (28:17):
Yeah.
Leif (28:18):
Harold and Ramon have a goodbye conversation. In
Blair's room. Harold drops some hard
truths. Handsome Dan has to go back to France with
Harold. So Blair lifts the bulldog by the balls and
sets him on the floor.
Steve (28:31):
That dog by the balls. I didn't notice it the
first time, but wow.
Leif (28:37):
What that direction was that just a choice by
Lane. She.
Steve (28:41):
I hold dog.
Leif (28:42):
She just scooped right up behind him.
Steve (28:47):
Harold had to do some hard parenting too.
It's not easy to be disappointed in your
kid. And that's rough. The
not going to the airport with her. That hit me
because that, It's hard.
Leif (29:00):
Chuck is rummaging through his father's safe.
He finds a box full of invitations similar to the one
he had received with just an address and time written on
a card with the mysterious symbol on it.
Chuck gets a call from L's boss who sells
who says, l never got off the train back
from New York.
(29:22):
Guess we're continuing this story next week.
Steve (29:24):
Yeah. This is him on the safe. In the safe. You
right. When he goes through the safe.
Leif (29:29):
Yeah.
Steve (29:29):
How many times has he been through that safe? He's been through that
safe since. Since Bart was alive. He's been
in and out of that safe a million times. And you never found
this thing of invitations?
Leif (29:40):
He probably. It just said
invitations before. He had no idea his dream
girls there.
Steve (29:46):
Sure, sure.
Leif (29:49):
Dan goes to visit Ms. Carr and apologizes for getting
her fired. However, Ms.
Carr, leans in and goes for the
kiss. She pulls Dan inside her
apartment.
Steve (30:02):
Yeah. So fucking dumb. Oh, I just got
fired five minutes ago. So instead of taking any legal
action against the school for, or trying to
get my job back in any other way, or trying to find another
job, I'm gonna bang this student that I was hot
for since the moment I met him
the first day I
was at the school.
Leif (30:25):
And this is how Dan Humphrey's porn career started.
Weller is meeting with Rufus and Lily to tell them that Ms.
Carr will be reinstated due to
insufficient evidence. And those teachers
unions.
Steve (30:37):
Yeah, I. And I'd be
surprised if they're unionized at a private school.
At that kind of private school, I don't think CAR would have
a whole lot of leg to stand on at a school like that. They
really are usually you're gone.
The flip side to it, if they're not going to fire
her, she should at least be written up.
(30:58):
Like there should be a record of.
She, had inappropriate off
campus meetings. Off campus meetings with students.
And she should be told you are not to
Meet off campus with students. And you are
not to meet one on one with students.
Leif (31:15):
Now we see Serena is leaving a message for Dan. She
apologizes to Dan and asked if they can just
forget the whole Rachel thing.
Steve (31:22):
No, see, Serena, you broke up. You broke up again
five minutes ago. You broke the fuck up.
Leif (31:28):
They're so fucking horny, these two. Yeah.
They just gotta fuck.
Steve (31:32):
Yeah. And Dan's gonna get that message later, be like, oh, shit. But I
bang Car, and now I want to bang Serena some more.
Oh, no. Who do I bang?
Leif (31:40):
That might be hard to do, because as we switch back to
Dan and his Cara. It's one thing to forget about a
crush, but it's another when carnal knowledge is in the
picture. If she had just waited another five
minutes, she might have gotten the call from Queller that she had
her job back.
Steve (31:55):
Yeah. I was unclear as
to whose phone that was that we saw at
the end if it was Dan's or hers, because it's the missed message
from Serena. But then there's also a missed message from
Queller. They should have had both the phones with missed
messages.
Leif (32:10):
I assume that was cars, because they were. It showed it as
we heard the message from Kohler.
Steve (32:14):
That's. That's kind of what I was thinking, too.
Leif (32:17):
And we end the episode with the Gossip Girl
monologue. They say every
action has an equal and opposite reaction, and
once something is set in motion, it can't help but
gain momentum. One thing's for certain, on the
Upper east side, what goes around comes M.
Around. Xo, xo,
Gossip Girl. Where are we heading
(32:39):
next?
Steve (32:40):
we're gonna hear more about this fucking Chuck thing, I'm
sure. At least another episode or two
of Chuck figuring out this
stupid fucking mystery secret
society.
Leif (32:52):
Secret society. Secret society. I think this
is number three.
Steve (32:57):
Yeah. We don't have a name for this one
yet. No, we've had the Skull and Bones.
We've had the Colonial Colony Club.
Colony Club, right. Yeah, I. And I
think that we're gonna get a little bit of a mess of
Serena and Dan, and they're gonna kind of maybe
almost get together again, and then Serena's gonna find out she
banked that he banged Car. That's kind of
(33:20):
my thoughts there. Car
is gonna,
Leif (33:23):
Are Dan and Ms. Carr gonna be, like, just hooking up at school
now?
Steve (33:27):
Yeah, totally. There. It's gonna be a whole secret
relationship. Absolutely.
Leif (33:32):
Oh, boy.
Steve (33:33):
Yeah.
Leif (33:33):
Oh, boy.
Steve (33:34):
Yeah. it is a plot line that bothers me. It
bothered me in Pretty Little Liars, and that's
Seasons.
It.
It really bothers me, the teacher student thing,
because they don't do enough to really
make it inappropriate. They make it look
hot. And it is m.
And I understand why.
(33:56):
It's just so bad
on so many levels. It's
predatory. And.
Leif (34:03):
Yeah.
Steve (34:03):
I tend to just hate these plot lines.
And here's the other thing is that it does
happen, and it happens a
little too often. In fact, I
guarantee that it would
happen more if it weren't
for students saying no.
I've worked with people that would say
(34:26):
something and I'd have to call them on it. That.
That's your student you're talking about. Like, that's creepy.
And it's something that does happen.
And I. When I see it on tv, I
want it to be villainized. Villainized.
Thank you. Yeah. I want it. I don't want it to be hot. I
want it to be wrong. Yeah.
Leif (34:46):
Which, you know, they definitely tread the line with
this one.
Steve (34:50):
Yeah. Yeah.
Leif (34:51):
Different school. Yeah. He's
technically, you know, legal consent age.
Steve (34:57):
yeah. Because. Well, so Dan is
17, and that would put him in the
legal consent. Except for the fact that she is in
a position of power.
Leif (35:06):
Yeah.
Steve (35:07):
So she does have a job at the
same organization, despite it being a
different school. I'm fairly certain
that a teacher
that. Except for certain
positions of power, it isn't your teacher. It's
any teacher. So there is that side of
it.
Leif (35:28):
Go ahead and get into some segments.
This week in fan. And we jumped into the wayback machine to
visit the television without pity forums from
2009. Hello there,
Peabody here. And this is the wayback machine
for traveling through time. And this is my boy,
Sherman.
Steve (35:46):
Speak, Sherman. Hello.
Leif (35:47):
Good boy. You got mixed opinions on
what Blair did, but universal dislike for
what Ms. Carr was doing.
Steve (35:55):
Yes. Objectively wrong.
Leif (35:57):
Some people were down on Blair for spreading
rumors that were not true. But some people were
completely supported.
Steve (36:04):
It is not okay to spread rumors that aren't
true. The rumor there was
smoke where that turned into fire.
Leif (36:12):
Yeah. They actually like that Dan is stepping out of
character and doing a Chuck like storyline.
Steve (36:19):
Okay. I guess it's a
little Chuck like, while Chuck is doing
a dumb like storyline.
Leif (36:27):
Hoping this is the end of Dan and Serena.
Steve (36:30):
no, it can't be. Here's why.
Lily and Rufus are together now. Right. If Lily
and Lily and Rufus stay together, which I
feel like they've gotten to here, I don't see why they wouldn't.
If Lily and Rufus are together next
season, by next season, something has to happen
with Dan. And Serena. Because if they're all living under the.
Leif (36:50):
Same roof, well, they're way off the college
next year.
Steve (36:54):
Oh, yeah. They are moving. Yeah. They haven't had the
awkward, full awkwardness of the parents
and them in a good place. And
I feel like that has to happen before Dan and
Serena were actually tied off.
So I do. I can't imagine this is the end of
Dan and Serena.
Leif (37:14):
We can only hope.
Steve (37:15):
We could hope. We could hope. Dorota's
love always heart
emoji eyes.
Leif (37:22):
Love the costume and love the side eyeing
Blair.
Steve (37:25):
Yes. I love how aware Dorota is
of how much of an asshole Blair is.
Leif (37:31):
The forums definitely pointed out the age of consent in New York
is 17.
Steve (37:35):
Most states have a caveat that it
like police Officers can't date 17 year olds
and teachers can't date 17 year olds. Public officials
can't date 17 year olds. There is like a
professional thing
in there.
Leif (37:50):
Eager, eagerly awaiting Blair's revenge
on Nelly.
Steve (37:55):
Yeah, that's going to be juicy. Well,
it should be.
Leif (38:00):
Nelly seems like she's, She's winning here.
Steve (38:02):
Nelly's a competitor. Could Nelly usurp
Blair and become the new queen?
Leif (38:07):
Well, school almost over.
Steve (38:09):
She have five minutes at the end.
Leif (38:11):
Her. Her. Her wedding is getting at the Yale.
Blair doesn't.
Steve (38:15):
Yeah. Which I'm really. I'm really starting to feel
that has to happen because they can't all go to Yale.
They can't leave the Upper east side.
Leif (38:23):
No one's a fan of the Chuck storyline.
Steve (38:25):
No.
Leif (38:26):
And Nate and Vanessa. Cute, but pointless.
Steve (38:29):
Again, I'm good with it. I. Stan. Nate.
I love seeing Nate happy, even with
Vanessa.
Leif (38:36):
Let's go ahead and move over to some episode
grades.
What do you got this week, Steve?
Steve (38:44):
I went low. I gave this a D plus. I
thought this was maybe the worst episode
we've seen so far. I thought that
aside from the plot lines that I thought were just
kind of dull and uninspired, I thought
the writing to get through them wasn't good.
I thought again, weird directorial
choices, especially with the Chuck
(39:07):
stuff. The. Why is he coming down the
stairs? Why? Just so many weird
things. Yeah, I hated this.
Leif (39:14):
Yeah. A lot of that stuff with Chuck was an attempt at
an homage to Eyes Wide Shut. Eyes Wide Shut Never
seen. I said a lot of those shots.
Steve (39:22):
Looked like that movie did it. Yeah.
Leif (39:24):
But that. Ah, that story definitely brought down.
Other than I actually like this episode. Other than that storyline,
it would have been like a B, but that brought it down to a C plus
for me.
Steve (39:34):
I think that the triggering nature of the teacher
storylines for me, that probably also
really worked into that.
Leif (39:41):
I mean, I hate that they did it, but I think it
was. I mean, yes, you would have liked to see him
villainize it more, but I think it was a good,
dramatic storyline.
Steve (39:51):
I get it.
Leif (39:52):
On the stock flash, who you got going up?
Steve (39:55):
Nate, Vanessa, Nelly. That's it. Nate and
Vanessa are happy and enjoying life, and Nelly
Yuki just got the upper hand on, Blair.
Leif (40:03):
I just couldn't give Nate, Vanessa, anything because they just
didn't give anything. So they're just neutral me.
Steve (40:10):
That's fair.
Leif (40:11):
But I did have Nelly Yuki. I had
Dorota for being a, you know, carrying
Blair.
Steve (40:17):
Yeah.
Leif (40:17):
As usual. And I gave it to Rufus because
you and I. He was an as usual. He was kind of right in the
end.
Steve (40:23):
He was right in the end. I almost gave it to Rufus. I
kept him neutral because of
the shitty moments when he wasn't listening to
Dan. And then he comes back and has the better
moment at the end. So I kept him neutral.
Leif (40:37):
Who do you got going down?
Steve (40:38):
I have Dan, Serena,
Blair, Rachel, and
the now disappeared Elle, because she
disappeared.
Leif (40:47):
For me, the biggest one is obviously Miss. Ms.
Carr.
Steve (40:51):
Yeah.
Leif (40:51):
Blair is. She's.
She's not expelled, but she's. Yeah, she's
not doing too well here.
Steve (41:00):
She lost her dad's respect. Yeah. And
that is something, that means a lot to her. She
did all of this for her dad's respect.
Leif (41:08):
I also gave Chuck going down because he's
just running around being an idiot.
Serena, because she got broken up with
and basically cheated on the other minions.
Minus Nelly. All go down. Harold, for
just. For not knowing the difference between libel and
slander as a lawyer.
Steve (41:28):
Fair.
Leif (41:29):
And I kept going back and forth on Dan.
he got weighed. He got what he wanted, but
he did was a bad boyfriend of Serena. So I ended up going
down.
Steve (41:39):
Yeah. Bad boyfriend to Sabrina and broke up with
Serena. That. Yeah, all of that
stuff. But here's the best outfits from
the last episode we've
seen.
Leif (41:52):
Who, do you got for the best outfit?
Steve (41:54):
I really liked Lily's outfit
that she wore to the. To the
hearing, where it was like the black
on the top with the Greene sort of scarf
underneath. I thought that was really cool.
Leif (42:09):
So for me, it was a short scene. It was the scene
where Serena brings Blair the p. The
picture, and Blair is wearing a
rosette. Catherine Melodrino, top with a
pencil skirt.
Steve (42:22):
I almost. I almost went with that one because that
was really cool.
Leif (42:26):
That is it for segments you got anything to plug this
week?
Steve (42:30):
this comes out on the 9th, right. So
my show at the Christmas Village is already last
week. So the main thing,
I've been watching the show Shrinking
and if you have Apple tv, I
highly recommend it. Harrison Ford,
Jason Siegel, Jessica Jones. They
are amazing. It was created
(42:53):
by Bill. I can't think of his last name. He
created Scrubs. Yeah, he created
Scrubs and some many other
towns. Cougar Town. And in
fact, it stars the one of the
actor from Scrubs and Cougar
Town. Ah. Who played Dr.
Cox's wife. I can't think of her name.
Leif (43:15):
from Drew Careyshe.
Steve (43:17):
Yes. Yeah, she was. She's on the show.
Ted McGinty is her husband. So, they
jumped the shark on episode one and Ted
McGinty on that show is my spirit animal.
He's amazing.
Leif (43:30):
So check out Shrinking if you want to follow
me. I am on Instagram and
bluesky@hotcapicola. That's
H O T C A P I C O L
A And you can follow the podcast on
pretty much any social media at
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(43:50):
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Steve (43:59):
And if you would like to get in touch with us, please
send us an
email@nonjudgingbreakfastpodmail.com
we would love to hear what you have to say and maybe read your
thoughts on air. And we'd love to continue the
discussion with you. And
please, while you're listening, give us a like
a subscribe, a follow, leave
(44:22):
a comment. It really helps with our visibility on Apple
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Leif (44:41):
And we will be back next week to talk about season
two, episode 18,
the age of Dissidents.
The Netflix episode description reads,
the seniors put on a production of the Age of Innocence.
Chuck enlist help from an unlikely source.
Steve (44:59):
Oh boy, oh
boy play.
Leif (45:03):
Sounds fun though.
Steve (45:04):
yeah. Yeah. And probably highly
inappropriate for a high school.
Leif (45:10):
Well, until next time, you know you love us.
Steve (45:12):
Xoxo.
Every time you walk away, run away, you take a
piece of me with you there.
Every time you walk away or run away, you take a
piece of me with you there
every time you walk away and run away you take a piece
of me with you there
(45:33):
oh, it seems I'm walking right to
your.
Door.
My heart's still resting looking for
something more
are you ever gonna see everything you mean to
me I'm trying really hard to believe
every time you walk away or run away you take a piece
(45:55):
of me with you there
every time you walk away or run away you take a piece
of me with you there
every time you walk away or run away you take a
piece of me with you there
never feels right when I'm out here on
my own
(46:17):
I left last night and it feels like
way too long
are you ever gonna see everything you mean to
me I'm trying really hard to believe
every time you walk away run away you take a piece
of me with you there
Every time you walk away run away you take a
(46:40):
piece of me with you there
Every time you walk away or run away you take a
piece of m me with you there
come back to me
smile and you'll make my life
complete
(47:03):
every time you walk away or run away you take a piece
of me with you there
Every time you walk away or run away you take a
piece of me with you there
every time you walk away or run away you take a piece
of me with you there
every time you walk away run away you take a
(47:25):
piece of me with you there
Every time you walk away run away you take a piece
of me with you there
Every time you walk away run away you take a
piece of m me with you there
Every time you walk away or run away you take a piece
of me with you there
(47:48):
Every time you walk away or run away you take a
piece of me with you there.
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