069 - The Whaley House Tour Paranormal Investigation

Welcome back to the Whaley House! In this tour, we talk about common hauntings associated with the Whaley House as well as our own personal experiences we've had while touring the house and during our own paranormal investigations.

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Hey everybody, I'm Amber and I'mMaddie and we're which is talking Tarot?
And this season we've got for youghosts, cryptids, conspiracies. Oh by,
check out what role we cast EmmaRobertson on our myth episodes this season.
Yea, and in addition to ourmyths, we will be bringing you

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the holidays because we may or maynot have a missed one this last season.
I guess you'll have to listen tothe last episodes to check it out,
and then catch all our new episodescoming up every Tuesday and Thursday on
your favorite podcast platforms and see uson YouTube. Come and sit with us.
First, Bill down this road isa small city, once thriving,

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full of life, but now desolateand abandoned. Well abandoned save for the
horrors rumored to reside within, whichI presume is why you're here now.
There's nothing wrong with a little morbidcuriosity, but please remember to stay close
to your guides. We wouldn't wantanyone to get left behind. Now,

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Hey they're tourists, Welcome back toNopeville, your favorite city filled with all
the terrible and awful things that makeyou say nope. Nope, we are
your tour guides as always. I'mChristine, I'm Jen and you may remember
this pastime that we were with you. We promised you a part two.
Part one, we discussed the historyand some of the experiences of other paranormal

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investigators within the Wayley House, themost haunted house in America according to the
sign outside of it. Yes,like everybody who investigates America's most haunted house,
which every haunted house seems to proclaim, but this one, then you
quantify that moves up to it,at least as far as we know.
Yeah, we've had experiences almost everytime we've been there. So yeah,

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it's been insane and you will hearabout those. Can't say the same for
other places we've been to. No, although the Queen Mary was an interesting
experience even when we weren't investigating.Yes, we're helping to visit there again
one day. We will room Bthree forty. We're coming for you,
and we made me bringing Sam.We'll see. So we will be discussing

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our experiences the last time, ofwhich we're absolutely nuts. Yeah, but
before we get into that, we'regoing to talk very briefly about a few
things that we didn't talk about inthe last one, as well as some
of the more common experiences that peoplehave, like visitors who go through the
house tend to hear footfalls, whichmost people think is Yankee Jim. There

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have been a number of people thathave reported seeing Thomas Way or an entity
of a male looking at them overthe second floor landing. Yeah. Some
people smell cigar smoke, which isattributed to Thomas Whaley, or lavender perfume,
which is commonly attributed to Anna Whaley. Yeah. Some will see swinging
crystals on lamps in the music room, or even chandeliers swinging on their own,

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sometimes rocking chairs moving on their own. I haven't seen that yet,
but I can imagine, like ifI were to see that, I'd probably
shape my pants. I was terrifiedof seeing that in the Cosmopolitan. Thank
god I did not. There weretwo of them in our room. Yeah,
there's a baby one, an adultone. No thanks, Like,
who's in the baby one if itstarts to move? The cat kitty.

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So there are occasionally even sounds ofthe piano playing, which there is one
up in the theater, or thepipe organ which is downstairs in the parlor.
Some people hear violin, guitar,general sounds of a party being had
merrymaking as it which if you remember, Anna was very proficient in music,
so people think it's her playing thepipe organ or and like George and Francis

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both played the violin, so couldn'treally could have been one of them playing
the violin. Ye, people heardisembodied voices, sometimes singing. Even on
occasion, there have been impressions ofpeople either sitting or lying on pillows and
beds, which you Yeah, that'sanother one that I don't know if I'd
feel comfortable seeing. We didn't mentionin the last bit that Ghost Adventures mentioned

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that Riches Philbin had visited previously andhe had seen an apparition that they were
told was Violet Whaley. Yeah,but we have seen in some other interviews
that it may have actually been AnnaWhale, which makes a bit more sense
because Anna is like one of themore prominent figures that people tend to see.

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Yeah, Anna and Thomas are thetwo that people most likely see.
Anna is viewed as sort of likea detector of the home. Yeah,
I would like to think that evenThomas is sort of a protector of the
home. If not just making sureAnna's okay, because I was reading about
them and there they were really inlove with each other. And there were
love letters that Thomas sent to hismom about Anna and just like how much

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he loved her and how perfect shewas that even if she got fat,
would he would still love her?And you know, that's real love.
And she loved him even before hecame into any sort of money. So
yeah, it's it's a nice thoughtthat the two of them are haunting their
home together. I would like tothink so, like he literally went out
to make money before he decided tomarry her, so they were already courting

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before that, so it's cute.Yep. We have also heard that things
tend to get pretty lively at thehouse around the holidays. Yeah, there
have been reports of potentially spirits havingmeals in the dining room. There will
be sounds of over work clinking againstchina, maybe even like aromas of food

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firstly baked breads, pies and stufflike that, And they tend to surface
a little more frequently around the holidays. Yeah. I read in an interview
with June reading that from Anna's letters, like she would describe all the festivities,
like Christmas was very big for thefamily, and it was around the
time where Christmas kind of became anational holiday. So they would like,

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you know, get a tree fromthe local Tory Pine State Park and like
decorated in all the have all thesefestivities. So she said, between Thanksgiving
and New Year's specifically is like whenit's super active. Yeah, which is
you know, it's a time ofgathering a family. I think they can't
relate to that. In the sameinterview with June Reading, she mentioned that

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when there's a lot of static electricityin the environment, did they get a
lot of activity? Which is interestingbecause in our experience, anytime one of
our electronic devices right out of batteryinexplicably, Mark, we had an experience

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yep, some of which we talkabout later on. Yeah, and it's
it's a phenomenon that you'll see alot in like ghost hunting shows and stuff
like that. We're like a lightwill die like I mentioned before, where
lights will die out of nowhere andsuddenly they'll hear thumping footsteps upstairs or stuff
like that. Like they require Imean, think about it, you require
energy to get out of bed anddo stuff out of it, right,

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So it's not unreasonable to think thatspirits also require energy, but they don't
produce it like they did when theywere alive, because your body just kind
of does that for you. Sothey got to take it from something,
whether it's you, your phone,your camera, usually the camera because they
don't want to be seen the spiritbox. The spirit box, yep,

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can get into that. That's fun. People hear the sound of babies laughing
or crying. In the interview atJune Reading, she mentions that there was
one time a woman came into thehouse and the woman was kind of pacing
back and forth like kind of frantically, and so she asked her what's going
on, and she said that sheheard the sound of a baby crying and

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it sounded like the baby was sick. And in her experience with babies like
she can tell that this was asick child, probably no more than two
years old, which would corroborate thefact that Thomas Whalley Junior died in the
nursery when he was only eighteen monthsold, and he died of scarlette fever.
Right, Yeah, that's something thatpeople tend to hear, especially people

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that are mothers or have kind oflike a motherly instinct that they hear babies
laughing and crying throughout the home,or they hear them playing or something like
that. Yeah, that's very similarto what Mackie and Amanda were experiencing,
where they kind of felt like theywere interacting with children in the home,
where they you know, they wouldfeel something touch their hand or they got

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excited when they brought up the boobuddy and Yeah, the one of the
first sounds they heard they described assounding almost like marble's hitting the floor,
and their guide saying something about like, oh, that's just the kids coming
out to play. Yeah. Butspeaking of Whaley family members, one name
that seemed to come up, accordingto our guide Sam, a name he
hears quite frequently, is Henry.It came up twice in our last paranormal

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investigation. There was a couple ladieswho were doing spirit box sessions and they
kept asking who's here, and theygot the name Henry twice. Yeah,
So he had decided he was goingto have to dig in and do more
research on who Henry might be,which we took the liberty of doing ourselves
digging that information up. Yep,and discovering that Henry came up with Thomas's

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brother, potentially maybe Henry Hirst Whaley, which was interesting when I was doing
the research on the history of theWhale House and that name popped up and
I was like, wait, that'sHenry. Wait a minute, wait,
there's a Henry. But also Henrythat probably had a little bit of a
tumultuous relationship with Thomas, and youknow, maybe wanted a cut of the

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riches of his brother because he alsohad a business with him that didn't do
well. So yeah, but thenalso his daughter, his oldest daughter,
married Henry Son. Maybe Henry feltlike he was entitled to some of the
family fortune. Yeah, and maybehe haunts the home, you know,

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harassing for that, Yeah, Thomasfor the money he owes him, even
as his house continues to make money. We had a dowsing rod session with
who we believe was Thomas in oneof our sessions, and we sort of
went through a list of people whocould be in the home to ask him
if they were there. Yankee,Jim, George Francis, Anna Violet,

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and a couple of the responses reallysurprised us. We were surprised to find
out that he said that Violet isnot there. He also said Yankee Jim
wasn't there. Yeah, And forall we know, maybe he meant at
that moment, maybe he meant theywere not there right then. Maybe maybe
in that room, yeah, ormaybe they're not hunting the home at all.
When we spoke with Sam, hementioned that a medium visits the house

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and that she has seen a femalespirit wandering the back of the house right.
Yeah. My suspicion is that couldbe Violet because that's where she died,
and you know, some of theoriginal stuff is gone. Maybe she
went with it. Yeah, maybeshe was tied with it. They did
some revamping of the home. Butyeah, that was interesting because because of

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the heavy presence that I felt inViolet's room way back when when I did
my first investigation, I wanted tomake a bee line for her room to
see if I could connect with her. And I didn't feel like I was
making a connection with her, butI did connect with tom So And one
of the other suspicions we had forwhy you had a feeling the same feeling
that you did in the dining roomthe first time we went together was that

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since it's right there, next tothe out the back of the house.
Yeah, it could have been comingin from Violet, but we don't know.
And then what was interesting that thisinformation I found in regards to was
it overnight? Yeah, that overnightchannel that you talked about when the guys
did their investigation and one of themgot really horrible stabbing abdominal pain. So

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I came across this thing in onesource. But it was interesting to mention
because given the history of the house, it could be plausible. Right.
So in a book called How toDevelop Your esp the author Susie Smith writes
about a parapsychologist and medium she interviewednamed case Turner, and she talks about

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visions she had while visiting the house. House and they couldn't find anything else
to back the claim. But Iread that there was a couple who was
staying there as one of the temporarytenants that you know, because you know,
Willie used to rent out the roomsto people who were just passing by
long term and short term tenants.So there was a couple that were just
temporary tenants in the home, gotinto a really bad fight because the man

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accused the woman of being unfaithful.Ended up stabbing her in the stomach,
like essentially disemboweling her. And Icouldn't find any like news source like newspaper
or anything that talked about a murderin the home like that or anywhere else.
But if it's true, it's justkind of like an interesting incident to

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like corroborate. Maybe that person feelingthe abdominal pains, right, like why
specifically he felt a stabbing pain inhis stomach? Yeah, or he ate
a bad taco but he didn't likeyou. He said he was vomiting.
They suspected he was vomiting when hecame out, Okay, when he came
out, asked him if he'd beenvomiting, and he said no, he

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just felt like something was stabbing him, because that was it was at that
point he mentioned that he felt likehe was being stabbed, because up until
that point, it was like,oh, he's got a stomach ache.
All of a sudden that it's kindof weird, Yeah, which is interesting.
Like when you said that, Iwas like, wait, I read
that. Look about that. Yeah. Yeah, And now you didn't want

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to bring it up initially because youcouldn't corroborate it anywhere. Yeah, it's
it's an interesting thing. Whether it'strue or not, it's just interesting information.
Yeah, do with it what youwill enjoy it. And so without
further ado, let's go ahead anddive right into our experiences. Okay,
So now that we talked about otherpeople's experiences, let's talk about our own.

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Yes, Jen has more because becausenumber one, she visited all the
visits this house all the time.Yes, because it's super cheap to go
there too, and the history isinteresting, as you all know now.
So the first time I went tothe Whaley House was in twenty ten,
and obviously I went because it wasadvertised as being one of the most haunted
places in San Diego. And anytimeI go to a new city, I

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like to go to haunted things,and why wouldn't you. So I'm pretty
sure we did a daytime tour justbecause that's just what happened that day.
And I was taking pictures and everything, and they were telling us the history.
And it was at a time whenthe parlor was roped off, so
we weren't allowed to actually walk inthe parlor, but we could look in

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it behind a velvet rope. Yeah, right, A lot of the stuff
was roped off back then too.M Yeah, and I literally under the
archway, I saw an orb withmy naked eye, like come down from
the ceiling. And then I alsocaught it on camera. Yeah, and
at the same time. So Iwent with my sister at the same time

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I saw it. My sister wasrecording. I was recording the same time
I saw it with my eye.She looked back at me and we looked
at each other's shock, like didyou just see what I saw? So
we both saw it at the sametime. But like our mom was with
us too, and she didn't seeanything, and nobody else is Is she
as sensitive as you and your sister. I don't know if she's sensitive like

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that or she's sensitive in other ways, but she has spooky powers, spooky
powers. But yeah, so thatwas my first time going. And then
when I was reviewing my photos,I found a dark shadow in the middle
of the stairs. And then whenI was taking pictures of the outside of
the place, like I saw therewas a white figure in the general store

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window. Interesting. Yeah, sothat's my very first time going. I'm
pretty sure I put it on Facebook. On my Facebook, I can look
and see, but otherwise it's onan old laptop with that experienced the blue
spram of death. I would say, pardon me, think Sam would be
interested, even though it's like furtherback, yeah, like twelve years two.
I mean things are yeah. Andthen another time that I had visited,

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I saw the ORB again in thesame fucking spot, doing the same
fucking thing. Yeah. So Iwent again with my sister and one of
her friends, and we asked herfriend if she had seen it, and
she didn't, but me and mysister saw it again. Yeah. I
mean those just experiences the crime ofwhat attached me to the Whaleyhouse. And

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that's why I like going, becauseI feel like I get experiences almost every
time I go. Yeah. Sothen there was one time that I went
with you, and it was ata time in my life where I was
kind of like it was kind oflike my lowest point, Like I was
unemployed or making very like below minimumwage and all these little part time jobs.

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It was just not a very goodtime for me mentally, and you
had just come out to visit meand we're like, hey, let me
take you this haunted place. SoI think that was my third or fourth
time going, and I had avery interesting, unique experience. So I
had heard all the history, heardabout Violet, heard about Yankee, Jim,
heard about all these things. SoI mean that stuff is in my

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head. I already know the history. This one time, we go to
Violet's room and for the first time, I felt a really deep heaviness.
I felt a pressure on my chest. I felt kind of getting tunnel vision.
There was like a black cloud literallycoming over me, and I felt
like I couldn't breathe. And Iremember telling you that I got to get
out of here. I'm going topass out, like I can't be in

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here anymore. And then as soonas I walked out is fine. Everything
cleared up and like my heart wentback to a normal heart rate to get
the black shadow was gone. Andit was just so fucking weird because that
wasn't my first time being there.That wasn't my first time in that room,
but for whatever fucking reason, thatexperience just happened, and you never
felt it any time since either allthe other thing that's crazy. Yeah,

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and I've been there multiple times afterwards, there's just something about that time.
So another thing to note, beforethat visit, I don't remember if it
was this weekend or not, butyou had wanted me to go to the
Whaley House. We had planned itto. We went to Old Town and
discovered that because it was a holidayweekend or whatever, it was either closed
or it closed early. Yeah,So by the time we got there,

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tours weren't running anymore, so wejust kind of like got dinner, visited
the cemetery type deal or whatever.Yeah, and we head back to the
car which was parked near the WhaleyHouse, and we noticed it was all
dark because it was nighttime, soit was closed, and there was a
light on at the back upstairs,which, as it turns out, is
Violet's room. But when we wentto go the next time before Jen got

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this feeling during the same trip,but before she had the feeling, we
asked our guide while we were stilldownstairs the docent. We were like,
hey, so are there any roomsthat you guys leave the lights on in
overnight? And she said, yes, there is one upstairs. It's the
nursery. Because we've discovered that whenwe turned the light off, things tend
to get like jostled around, thrownwhatever. It seems to upset the children,

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so they started leaving that light on. We were like oh, okay,
so maybe that's what it was.This was again before we really realized
what room it was. Yeah,what the layout of the house was.
Yeah. Yeah. So we goupstairs and she points out the nursery and
we said, oh no, theroom we saw the light on in was
that one and pointed to a violet'sroom and they're like, we don't leave.
That should not have been the thing. Yep. And what was interesting

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is we brought that up to Samlast time yep we were there, and
he was so excited because that confirmedand corroborated other people's stories about lights just
going on in that room by itselfwhen they shouldn't be. Yeah. He
mentioned that he's he's been getting he'dget calls asking him to come check it
out because they were, you know, they were worried there was a light

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on. There should be a lighton, and he goes and checks and
when he goes the lights off.He himself has not seen it, but
he's hurt multiple people that that lightkeeps going on and off. Yeah,
so that was crazy. Did youhave any other experiences? Yeah? So,
um, I was also thinking aboutback my first time, so it
was my first time in San Diego. My first time visiting Old Town,

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I went to the Alcampo Santo Cemetery, and if you go now, they've
kind of like spruce it up abit. More of the graves have tombstones
or at least a blurb about whowas buried there. When I first went
there in twenty ten, there wereso many unmarked graves. The graves weren't
even like marked off. They wereall kind of just blended in together,

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and you could just like accidentally walkover a grave because you don't know the
boundaries of the grave itself. Yeah, it's just like a patch of land.
Yeah, it was just a patchof land that like if you're walking
in front of a cross, chancesare you're walking on someone's grave. So
you kind of had to make upyour own path through the place because it
wasn't really well laid out. Therewere only a couple graves that were marked,

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like there's some original tombstones there soyou can see those. Those were
kind of gated off, but therewere like the Yankee Gym. One had
a marker and kind of told youabout Yankee Jim. I don't even think
Antonio Agata was marked at that point, like he was just across. Yeah,
I think there's were just unmarked crosseseven when Cindy went there with Dave.
Oh okay, I think they're markednow right last time we went,

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I don't know. We haven't beenin a while because we keep just not
having the time to go visit.Yeah, which I feel bad because I'll
tell you why. So my firsttime there, I was really drawn to
this one grave for whatever reason,I wanted to bypass every single grave that
was there, even Yankee Jim's,and just go straight to this one grave.

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And it was an unmarked grave andit just said little girl on it.
And I felt so sad because thislittle girl didn't have a marker on
it. It was just a littlegirl. And how sad is that that,
you know, this little girl passedaway and that she's alone. Nobody
even knows who she is. AndI felt really attached to her. And

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from that moment on, as mysister Sure and I were walking through the
cemetery, my sister kept tripping asif somebody pushed her. She was behind
me and I could hear her scuffling, and I'm just like, what are
you doing? What's your problem?Are you drunk? Like what is going
on? And she's like, no, I feel like something's pushing me.
I got a sense of jealousy thatthe little girl was jealous that this was

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my sister, and the little girlwanted to be my sister. And it
was just so weird, like there'sno sprinkler heads, like it's like essentially
flat terrain. There's no like Idon't understand what she was tripping on,
And it was just weird that shekept saying that she felt like she was
getting pushed. Yeah. And thenso after we visit the cemetery, we
went we go to the Whaley Houseand as I was sitting in the courtroom,
I felt a little hand hold mywrist, like she had followed me

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to the Whale House and is holdingon to me, like just hanging out
with me. So Ever since then, I tried to make it a point
to go say hi to her.And now her grave is marked. I
think her name is Anita, soit's marked now. But every time I
go to old Town, I tryto go say hi to her. And
I think the last time I lefther a sticker and people leave toys for

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her, toys and candy and likecoins and stuff for her, So she's
not alone anymore, and it's nicethat more people are visiting nowadays. So
when you got the sense of somethinghaving followed you to the courtroom of the
Whaley House, did it definitely feellike the same presence from the cemetery because
we have learned that there are childspirits in this house. Yeah, which
I wish I will tell you about, and I've contacted when yes, when

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I've done an investigation. But itdid feel like the same presence. I
felt like she followed me, Okay, Yeah, So it wasn't like a
negative experience and a negative entity tome, Like it felt like she just
needed company, Yeah, and shewanted somebody to acknowledge she was there.
So those are the all the outsideof the investigation experiences I had. But
when I saw that they reopened doinginvestigations, I jumped on that and my

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husband and I went Labor Day weekendon Keanu Reeve's birthday September. I wasn't
able to go. That's why sheended up bringing the hobby. Yep.
And it's interesting because so he wouldn'tconsider himself a skeptic, but not necessarily
a believer. He's kind of inbetween he doesn't want to prove himself wrong
that you know, they're actually arein fact things out there, so he

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doesn't go searching for it. Buthe's not turned off to investigating and doing
things like this. So he wentwith me and the night started out crazy.
So after Sam did his whole spielof like explaining all the different tools
and equipment that you can use andkind of like the history of the house
and stuff, he does the maccabhistory like yes, the deaths of the

(25:40):
house. He doesn't talk about thehistory history yea. He tells you about
like the people you might be encounteringduring the investigation and kind of giving you
some information. Yeah, so youcan like have an intelligent conversation instead of
just think, there's anybody here?Do you want us to leave? How
many people died here? Kind ofthing? How does you die? So
he wants you to have more oflike a respectful, intelligent conversation with the

(26:03):
people there. So he kind ofgives you a history of those things and
what kind of entities tend to showup. So after he did all that,
as a group, we all wentinto the parlor and he brought the
SB eleven a MPOD everybody had emdetectors, and he brought the music box.
I think he brought some catballs withhim, and he started off by
trying to communicate with the SB elevenand it was just getting kind of like

(26:27):
gibberish. He had somebody speak Spanishinto it, and there was a response,
but nobody could really understand what washappening. But there wasn't a response
before this person started speaking Spanish,so there was a response to that.
But the EMF detector in my handkept flashing orange the entire time I was
in the parlor room. The musicbox was pointed at the corner that faces

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the front window, and nobody wasover there, so the music box was
faced that way and it kept goingoff. The rem pod was in that
corner chair up and the front windowin the parlor room, and that went
off intermittently, Like I have videoof this. We're just all this equipment
kept going off. The EMAF detectorkept going off. And then what was
weird is when I went back inthe room later that night with the same

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equipment, none of it was triggered, not even the EMACH detector. The
EMAT detector was staying at a stagnantgreen, where in my hand earlier that
night it was flashing orange, ye, there was. He placed one on
the couch that's in that front roomas well, and that kept like going
up to orange even read sometimes likeit was spiking. There was so much

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activity in that room when all ofus were in there at the beginning of
the night. Now, the firstgroup I went with, they were nice,
but kind of not respectful of otherpeople's investigations. People were walking like
stomping through the hallways with the splevenat full blast. Is anybody here?
Can someone say something? Blah blahblah, And like I'm in violence room

(27:59):
trying to communicate with something. Itwas just so loud, and it's like
I'm sensitive to things, but Idon't feel like I'm strong enough yet to
not be in tune when I'm distracted, Like I really have to be focusing,
and it was just really hard tofocus. But I wanted to start
off in Violet's room because I hadthat connection with it when you and I

(28:22):
went that one time. Yeah,so we went in there. I had
an EMF detector, I had catballs, I had the dowsing rods,
and my husband and I tried theSTIs method. I went under first,
and he was asking questions, Currentlyin Violet's room, there's none of Violet's
belongings. It's just a bunch ofcases with Whalie artifacts, like there's china,

(28:45):
there's just like you know, randomthings in there that belonged to the
Whalies. So that felt weird tome immediately walking in because I didn't feel
Violet's presence. It just it kindof felt empty to me. But I
tried doing the sis method anyway,and I guess one of the questions my
husband asked was is there anybody thatwants to speak with us? And I

(29:07):
got it yep, Like it wasan enthusiastic yeah kind of thing. And
then he then asked, all thesethings in this room what doesn't mean to
you? And I got out ofthe spearbox someone saying an opportunity? So
to me, that sounded like itwas Thomas Whalley, because you know,
being the businessman that he was,anything that he bought would be an investment,

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right, so like all those artifactsin there was an opportunity for him
to make money. So I wasn'treally getting much after that, And then
when my husband went under he wasn'treally getting much, and I think he's
not really attuned to what the spearboxsounds like, so maybe he was getting
stuff and just couldn't really decipher it. But I busted out the dowsing rods
and then I went down into thelegacy room and I was talking with the

(29:52):
dowsing rods and Sam had told usthat when Thomas Whalley was living in the
house, he had servants and theywere children. One of them was a
Chinese child, and I think twoof the other ones were Native Americans.
They were slaves which lived in thekitchen, lived and slept in the kitchen.
And so when I went in alegacy room, I asked if somebody

(30:17):
was there with us. I gota yes on the dowsing rods. I
asked if they were Thomas Whalley oryou know, going through the Whaley family,
and I kept getting no, andI said, are you a child?
And I said yes. And Isaid were you one of the children
who slept in the kitchen and Isaid yes. And I had a cap
ball with me and I said doyou want to play with this ball?
And it said yes, And thenI had put it up on top of

(30:40):
a shelf and I said, okay, well, if you want to play
with it, just don't have todo is touch it and then it'll let
me know that you're here. Nothinghappened. The cap ball wasn't going off,
and I said is it too highfor you to reach? And I
got a yes. On the dowsingrod, I was like, oh,
sorry, let me move it.But as soon as I was about to
move it, Sam came into theroom and he said that they were all
going to go do something in thetheater and asked if we wanted to go,

(31:00):
and I was like okay, butI didn't want to leave the little
kid who was talking to me andI said, do you want to go
to the theater with us? Andit said yes. So I was like,
okay, let's go to the theater. I go up the stairs.
As soon as I walk in thetheater, there is a rempod in the
back corner where nobody is. Assoon as I walk in the theater,
the rempod goes off. I waslike, oh, so it did follow

(31:22):
us. It raced you. Yeah, And I thought that that was like
so fun that like I invited itto come with me to the theater.
And it came. So, Imean that was kind of like all the
experiences I got my first time around. Other people felt like they got touched.
One guy had his name whispered twicethrough the spirit box while he was
doing the S method in the theater. Yeah, so that was about it

(31:45):
for my first time. I meantto explain this earlier for those of you
who don't know what the ESTs methodis. It's where you plug noise canceling
headphones into a spirit box so thatonly those headphones are picking up the noise,
and then you're blindfolded so that you'regetting no sensory input of the questions
being asked or anything else going onin the room, people's excitement over your

(32:07):
responses, anything like that, soyou have zero influence of the environment around
and then you just shout out whatcomes through. And you have no idea
what the questions are being asked,but you're just shouting out random things.
And if the things you're shouting questionsare being asked at all, Yeah,
if what you're shouting out corroborates withwhat's being asked, then chances are you're

(32:27):
communicating with something yep. So usuallyit's a good idea to be recording these
things which I was doing. Yeah, you were doing for the last couple
times, and then well I didn'tfor our first session the first time that
we went, but thankfully you hadyour phone set up on the table so
that got picked up anyway, wasthat it forgured that time? That was
for that first time, it waskind of like noisy, And I really

(32:52):
feel like the energy I get fromthe house is like it's so active when
you first start because the spirit arejust like so eager to communicate with you.
But I feel like with all thedevices going around and all the people
asking you or asking the entities,things like the energy gets divided and dissipates
throughout the night. And I feellike it was like super hiphe at the

(33:14):
beginning and then just kind of likedwindled throughout the night. Yeah, And
that's how it seemed to be whenwe went the next time as well,
so my second time, your firsttime. Yeah. So when we went
together again, there was sort ofthe group activity in the parlor where devices
were set up around the room andwe attempted to do like ESTI methods spirit
box with one gentleman that was singledout that he wasn't picking up anything.

(33:37):
He said he either couldn't make outwhat was being said or he wasn't really
hearing anything. But the devices weregoing off, like the EMFs were still
spiking. I don't remember the rampodreally doing much, and the music box
was definitely the rampod was going off. It wasn't going off as much as
the first time I went, butit did go off in that corner.

(33:59):
EMF meters were going off. Yeah, he had that new ony giddy.
Oh yeah, the flux to Investigationtool looks like that I was gonna say,
which I can't remember the name.Yeah, he had that set up
on the couch. But that one'skind of a weird device. So it
wasn't quite picking anything up. Wedon't know what the parameters are on that,
and if it can pick up something, that's like if it's on the

(34:19):
couch and it's picking up the armof the couch, or if it's picking
up walls when you're sitting in aroom or whatever. So after the group
broke up, Jen had had astrong feeling in the dining room, so
we decided to go there to investigate. We took a few catballs, No
I think when we took like twoand then Sam and Kurage just to bring
more. Think he's get all ofthem, get all the cat balls.

(34:43):
Oh, we have the thermal camera. Didn't get anything on that, and
then we had the spirit box andI think an e M. Yeah.
So when we did the spirit Boxsession, the first session we did,
it felt like I was talking toThomas or potentially Anna, because I remember
the response as being something about coughingand something being upstairs. And I know

(35:06):
that there have been talks of Annafeeling guilty about Violet committing suicide the second
like successfully committing suicide the second time, because it was her watch while Violet
was sequestered to the master bedroom onsuicide Watch, so it could very well
have been her I was talking tothat time, which Sam has told us
that Anna is a very prominent figurethat comes through like she's always there and

(35:31):
always down to talk. Like inthe opening segment when he was explaining all
of the tools that night, hebusted out the dowsing rods and asked if
Anna is present, and he gota really strong yes. Yeah. He
usually shows you how to use thedowsing rods by asking a question and typically
gets an answer. We'll come backto that for our next position. Second,

(35:53):
so we decided to do a secondSTS method session. Jen moved closer
to the kitchen, thinking perhaps shewas channeling the children that were in there.
Although I know you mentioned something aboutthe feeling you got was being kind
of like a watered down version ofwhat you felt in Violet's room, the
one, yeah, which if thechildren had to sleep in the kitchen would

(36:15):
probably be similar to the same feeling, right, so we assumed that it
could potentially have been them. Andthe cat balls went off a couple of
times while she was under She neversaw them go and one of the times
to said, if you want totouch the catball, by all means you
can, and it started going off, and the flux too was actually going
off. So like, we don'tknow how to use that thing, but
we know like when you pass infront of it, depending on what side
you pass, it could be redor green. And it was going off

(36:38):
and you weren't moving, you werenowhere near Yeah, yeah, so that
happened, and I was sitting onthe floor so I wasn't moving and it
was going off, not in itsrange anyway. Yeah yeah, So we
did have that, but the secondtime we were talking, So if any
of you remember from our tour ofthe Cosmopolitan, we made contact with a
spirit that we lovingly refer to asnot Peter because he wouldn't tell us his

(36:59):
name, but came through twice onthis spare box. Yes, So while
I was talking to something, Iasked, do you have a connection with
her? And she just spouts outPeter, And it was so fucking weird.
Yeah, And it was so weirdthat I didn't even know how to
like continuing my line of questioning becauseI wasn't expecting him. Yeah, it

(37:21):
was just so weird because like,and we think it's because we legit had
margarita is with tequila in them beforewe went to the investigation, and the
fact that we drank tequila for himand maybe you channeled him or something.
Yeah, we sat out on thepatio of the restaurant nearby and had dinner
before we went to our tour,so maybe he was passing by, was

(37:43):
like, hey, I know youguys. I remember them. They're fine
party. Oh you're partying at theWhales. Okay, let's go. That
was the most significant thing I remembergetting from that one. Yeah, I
know. I started to try andline my question up more along the Cosmopolitan,
but it still kind of got alittle lost. I did get something
that I thought was go away.She heard going and that's what she said,

(38:06):
but I interpreted it as go away, and I repeated that and she
said yep. So we took thatas assigned to leave the dining room and
go somewhere else. We're like,okay, we got you. So we
proceeded upstairs to the Dig Room inthe hopes again of reaching Violet. Violet's
room now known as the dig Room. Yeah, because all of her original

(38:28):
furniture seems to be gone, whichit was. I felt like it was
just completely void of energy when Iwent in there. I think she was
attached to her stuff. I thinkso too, because we did. We
did use the dowsing rods to askif Violet was there, and to ask
if Thomas was there, and toask if Yankee Jim was there, and
we got a no on all ofthose, but didn't we ask no.

(38:50):
We didn't ask about Thomas because wethought Thomas was there, because we thought
we were talking to Thomas the wayshe was, the way we were getting
responses. It seemed oh, becauseyou asked if whatever we were talking to
was happy that the house was stillmaking money, and is it yep,
Yeah, yeah, that like thefact that in your afterlife you're still making
money as like that, I'm agood businessman. A century later, I'm

(39:12):
still making money. There's still moneycoming into my estate. Yeah, no,
yeah, you're right. George wasthe musician, right, George was
the musician. Yeah. Okay.Also, when Sam was giving us the
history of the house and the membersof the family, he mentioned that Thomas
and George had a sour relationship becauseGeorge wanted to pursue music and the musician
and Thomas didn't think that that wasa real job. Yeah, little does

(39:37):
he know. So they became estrangedto the extent that George took his mother's
last name. Massive slap in theface to his father. Yeah. So
we even started asking about that,like, do you still feel like being
a musician is not a proper job? Yes? Do you regret having a
poor relationship with George? I doremember that being a but we asked if

(40:00):
he was there and he said no, George. Yeah. We asked if
George was there and Thomas said no. We asked if Violet was way there
now. He said, no,is Yankee Jim here? No? No,
did we ask is somebody pretending tobe Yankee Jim? No. We
just started to speculate because of afterhaving watched the Phase Rug video together,

(40:20):
because someone had brought it up duringour tour with the demonic growling that came
through the spirit box, and Samhad told us himself prior to that,
like when he was explaining the toolsin the smaller house outside, he mentioned
that he had an experience with somepeople that when he knocked three times on
the wall, he got knocks back. No, he heard footsteps upstairs.

(40:44):
Oh, I thought he said hegot knocks back. He got footsteps upstairs,
very loud, thudding footsteps. Butthen when they went upstairs he did
it again, they heard it downstairsagain. This is just my memory.
Sam, if you want to reachout and correct us, that a great
But then when they went back downstairsfrom the doorway, when they tried again,

(41:05):
him and one of the other peoplethere heard a disembodied growl. Oh
yeah, And they said, fuckedthis and they laughed. So, as
we know from the part of thetour discussing hauntings, something unpleasant is living
there. Yes, we speculated thatmaybe all these investigations may have invited something
in that wasn't there before, orsomething's masquerading as being Yankee Jim, since

(41:27):
people really want to communicate with YankeeGym because he's one of the more prominent
stories and figureheads of the paranormal thereso or is Violet. Yeah, we
feel like whatever it is is pretendingto be these other famous entities in order
to get people to communicate with itand invite it more and give it more
energy. Yeah, which brings usto our next investigation. But first,

(41:50):
what was the energy like in thehouse when we went for this first time?
For you? Because obviously you feelthat significantly more than I do.
So as long as we felt thesame as always where it didn't feel malevolent,
it felt welcoming, It felt likeit felt like it was active.
It felt like there were presences there, but nothing bad. Right, So
am our recent investigation just earlier inNovember for Veterans Day weekend, it was

(42:13):
fucking weird. We decided to goback because we have questions and it was
very different. Right from the beginning, Sam told to see had spent no
more than five minutes in the house, and he had already heard all kinds
of stories of stuff happening to peopleduring the day, which aren't paranormal investigations,
they're just tours. He said,every single tour had at least one
person experienced something to the extent ofeven one tour having a person faint and

(42:37):
them having to call the paramedics.Yes, and then when the paramedics came,
the person was perfectly healthy. Therewas no reason for them to have
fainted. And even the EMTs werelike, that's paranormal. Yeah. One
of them was like, I've beenhere before, this is a paranormal thing.
Yeah. So and Sam was foras that already sets the tone of

(42:57):
the night because days before or hehad a bad experience in the master bedroom.
So we didn't get any details asto what happened, but it really
spooked him. And this is mythird time meeting Sam, Christine's second time
meeting Sam, and he's not thatkind of person, like he's literally the
nighttime supervisor of the Whaley House.He's the lead paranormal investigator of the Whale

(43:22):
House. He's a very easy goingguy, and if he's spooked, that
spooks me. That makes me feellike something really just rubbed him the wrong
way. And to the point whenwe and we were in the Whale house,
he did not want to go inthe master bedroom. He said,
I will open open it up foryou to go in yourself. You can

(43:42):
do your investigations in there, butI will not be in there with you.
Yeah. The furthest he went wasjust that gate at the door where
normal tours get to just kind ofsee the bedroom from. Yeah, but
before the investigation even started, we'rein the house. So there's a little
building out at the back of thehouse called the Derby Pendleton House, which
is where the group meets. It'swhere Sam explains all of the equipment to

(44:05):
you before you go inside, allthat good stuff. Yeah, while we
were in there and he was talkingabout the gear, when he was showing
off the em it was going offin places where it shouldn't because again,
there's not really a whole lot ofelectricity in that house. Yes, another
thing that's unconfirmed whether or not it'sactually paranormal or not, was there were
three loud knocks on the outside wallsof that on the building. Yeah,
everybody heard it come from somewhere differentwhat was weird. Yeah, half of

(44:28):
the group heard it from one door, which was on the other side of
the room, and half of thegroup heard it from the wall right behind
us, which we were on theother side of the room. So it's
kind of like that Yanny Laurel thingwhere people are adamant that they heard one
thing and other people are adamant theyheard the other thing. Like the half
of the group were like, no, it was on this door, and

(44:50):
you know, the half the groupwere like, no, it was on
this wall. And the thing is, it wasn't like if you were sat
in a specific spot. So meand her we were closest to where we
thought we heard it, but therewas a across the room who heard it
from the exact same spot, andthen her, the person who was with
her, heard it come from theother place, and she was sent right
next to her. And Sam saidhe heard it come from the front door

(45:13):
ish area where somebody would be comingin. Yeah, but felt like something
happened behind him, which is wherewe heard it. Yeah, in the
beginning, we didn't think anything ofit because he was still waiting for a
few more people to join the tour, so we thought maybe somebody was just
knocking on the door to come inand join the tour. Sam goes outside,
they're fucking nobody. Nobody now again, mind you, old town San

(45:35):
Diego could very well have just beensome drunk people running up, knocking on
the wall and leaving. Yeah,the fact that we heard it from different
places is bizarre. The fact thatSam didn't see anybody, didn't even see
anybody running away or hear anybody runningaway, is strange. But maybe he'd
also weird to see it. Hedid tell us that he was going to
ask his manager to review the securitycamp footage and let us know. But
we're still waiting on that confirmation ornot to see if there's actually somebody outside

(45:59):
knocking on the walls. But itwas. Yeah, so we can't confirm
or deny that. But that wasalready setting a certain tone for the night.
Then when he showed the dowsing rods, like he always does, he
asked if anybody was there. Ohno, He asked if Anna, asking
Anna, because Anna's usually always there. He got a dead response. It
wasn't a no, It was justspinning, spinning dowsing rons. He got
that twice, and he straight upsaid well, I don't like that,

(46:22):
and it never that never happens tohim, he said. So we proceed
into the house and oh, yougo in through the front door, you
go through the general store into thecourtroom. What did you feel in the
general store? Jen? Yeah,so I got the same kind of feeling
that I got when we went tothe dining room the first time, where
I'm like, I don't like itin here, like I just got.

(46:44):
It was kind of it felt likeanimosity towards us, Like it felt like
it felt like a negative feeling.And of all the times I've been too
Wheelie House, I rarely feel anegative feeling. And I was just like,
as soon as we walked in,I was like, I've been in
this general store how many times nowwhen I've never gotten that feeling some fucking
reason. I'm like, I don'tlike it in here. And then you

(47:05):
were like, should we start inhere? I'm like, that was the
idea, but that wasn't what happened. Yeah, So we ended up and
this was a this was already avery strange night. So the tour took
longer than it normally does in thesense that everywhere we went, somebody had
some kind of comment about something goingon. One of the ladies in the
group brought up a smell of lemonverbena yeah, which she had to describe

(47:28):
to the group because most people haveno idea what the hell that meant,
which is lemonie. It's essentially lemon. Yeah, it's a sweeter lemon,
I think, which reminds me ofyou said when Amanda and Mac were there,
they smell smelting lemon. They smelledlemon towards the end. Interesting,
So that was what I made sureto note that because I was like,
oh, okay, so that wasthe first time that scent has ever been

(47:50):
brought up, because typically what peoplesmell in that house is lavender. Yeah,
because that's what Anna Willie's perfume smelllike. They either smell lavender or
they smell cigar smoke, and thisis smoke represents Thomas Whaley. Yeah.
So one of the ladies in ourgroup told a story of a time when
she had seen a figure sitting ina chair in the parlor and she had
thought it was one of the docents, but this person was dressed in all

(48:12):
black with a black veil which wereher face. They don't dress like that
yes, yeah. Sam was tellingus that when the docents dress up,
they can't wear black. They can'twear all black. It has to be
like white and khaki or white andblue or something like that, Like,
they can't wear all black. Sothe fact that that thing, that entity
was wearing all black, it's afucking red flag. Yeah. So she

(48:35):
said she had seen that. Sheturned around and it was gone, right,
yeah, I think it was somethinglike that. But she had established
very clearly right then that she didnot want to be in that room,
didn't like that room. So Samnaturally made her be the first person,
like, would you like to leadus in that room? Not actually,
Sam, they don't remember anything inparticular happening there, I know. She
led us back out, heading backto the courtroom. After that, No

(48:58):
where did we go from there?We went to the theater. So when
we went to the theater, Samwent up on the stage and he was
explaining to us, you know,with the Tanner Troop, what it was
for, how it was only atheater for a few months. And then
he stopped mid sentence and looked athis right and we were like Sam,

(49:19):
Sam, what's going on? Andhe was like, I just saw something
moved back there, and he like, he said he heard the curtains rustling,
and he said he keeps hearing thingsmoved back there, and he goes
in checks and then a couple ofthe ladies in the group were like,
can I go up there? Andhe's like, yeah, come up here,
and so like they go up there, and one of the ladies was
like, I smell lemon verbena inthe back of the theater. For that

(49:42):
though, somebody saw something towards theback of the stage before they went up
there. They didn't see it againor anything. Somebody saw something standing up
there or like something peeking. Yeah, at that point he decided he didn't
want to be on the stage anymoreand went towards the back of the room
to explain the rest of the historyfrom there, which is fine, but
I think that was one of thelast things. Another person saw thought she

(50:04):
saw a shadow figure. Wasn't recording, so nobody really knows. She's the
only one who saw it in thehall. Yeah, so she saw it
in the hallway maybe, Yeah,And then we decided because we'd always we
kind of kept talking about it onthe way there and everything like that,
screw this we'll start in the theater. We've never been up there. It's
the only time you can get upon the stage. Yeah, we've never
done the Sis method on the stage, which I heard from the previous groups

(50:28):
that people always get something when they'reup there, and it's just because people
crowd there at first, that like, we never get an opportunity to do
so. I myself have never stoodon the stage. And during the investigations,
you have free reign of the houseminus the nursery, so it's really
cool to go in these places thatare normally roped off. We were gung
hole about it. We're like,we're going to do the Sis method on

(50:49):
the stage. We were talking aboutit as we're going there. We grabbed
the spirit box, we grabbed theheadphones, we grabbed the blind float.
We were ready. We were goingto go up there and do it.
So we were the first ones upthere, and I fucking chicken out because
I did not like almost I know, but I did not like. I
did not like the feeling. Iwas like, I stepped on the stage
with my left foot, right footwas off of it. Step with my

(51:13):
left foot. I heard rustling inthe back of the fucking stage. There
was nobody upstairs but me and you. Everybody was still downstairs deciding what equipment
then wanted, what room they wantedto started. You and I were the
only one with Sam upstairs. Yeah. I took one step on the stage
and I heard rustling in the backof the stage where Sam heard it.

(51:34):
And I was like, fuck this. And I was like, I am
not going back there. And Iwas like I am just going to sit
on the front bench and be finewith that now. Mind you, most
of what she's saying right now wasall nonverbal. It was like we walked
into the room, she took herstep up on the stage, took step
back. We hadn't said a wordto each other yet. I never feel

(51:54):
things. I don't feel things.We walked into that room. I looked
at her and I said, Ifeel really tense in here. I feel
like my fight or flight has kickedup. Heart race all the way.
Yeah, heart was racing everything.I was ready to fucking book it.
And I've never felt anything like that. And as I'm telling her each feeling,

(52:16):
she never she never once fed intoanything. I was going to say
everything I said. She said,Yep, I feel that, Yep,
I feel that we've never had that. And then Sam came in and it
all fucking went away, which wasweird, but thank you Sam. When
when I was just like okay,um, let's just do the s this
method on the bench right here,I sat down and I heard the door

(52:39):
to Violet's room open and nobody wasupstairs. I asked you, did you
see somebody come upstairs because I tookmy glasses off at that point, and
you said, no, nobody cameupstairs. And I never heard that because
I heard Violet's door open and Ithought maybe Sam was coming up or like
some some of the other groups werecoming up, and you said, nobody
came up those stairs. And thenext person that came upstairs was Sam,

(53:00):
and he came in and then hewas like, why don't you do the
method on the stage. I waslike, um, because I'm scared.
And then he's like, go onup there. He's like, I'll walk
you up there. I'm like,okay, Sam, but yeah, when
he came, like the fear wasstill there, but I felt more brave
to do the thing. So hewalked me up the stage, like helped

(53:21):
me put like the headphones on andstuff, and I my heart was racing.
I was fucking scared. I kepthearing rustling, I kept hearing footsteps,
and I've never heard footsteps in thatplace. See, I didn't know
that. The feeling never really wentaway, never for me when he came
in the room. I mean theheart racing is it's for a different reason.
When yeah, that's like copletely differentreason. Yea, when when he

(53:44):
came in, I didn't scare.I didn't feel scared anymore, like,
yeah, so it was like Idid, but I also had my back
to the dark ass stage. Yeah, and just so everyone knows when Jen
is under As much as I'm tryingto pay attention to any anything else that
might potentially be going on in theroom, recording other stuff, my eyes
are glued on her because I donot want anything to happen to her thinking

(54:07):
and I know she's as vulnerable asyou can possibly be. I can't see,
I can't hear. Yeah, myeyes are constantly on her when she's
like, I'm trying to like seeif there's anything happening or if I can
record anything, but like I'm constantlykeeping my eyes on weather and she's okay.
Yeah, So before I went under. I kept hearing footsteps behind me.

(54:28):
There was nobody behind me. Ikept hearing rustling of the curtains.
There was nobody there because there's justme, you and Sam in the theater.
At that point, Sam was sittingin the back of the theater.
You were sitting right in front ofthe stage. Nobody was moving. He
actually he left at some point.I know he left at some point while
we were doing our STIs method.He disappeared downstairs to check out because he's,

(54:49):
you know, he has to checkon everybody, make sure everybody's doing
okay, nobody's touching anything they shouldn't, and nothing's happening that shouldn't be happening.
So he did eventually wander back upthough, and he was like,
can I stay here because I reallydon't feel like being downstairs anymore. Because
apparently he had heard a door.I think he'd heard a door, because

(55:10):
the two ladies that were investigating inthe parlor, one of them saw the
door open, the other one didn't, and it was closed by the time
she came back out. Yeah,but I think he heard a door knob
Russell and he was like nope,Yeah, he came to hang out with
us. Yeah, so he justkind of sat at the back and took
pictures and stuff like that. Andwe actually brought our night vision camera with

(55:32):
us, which Sam let us useand it was fully charged. I charged
it before we left the house.It was fully charged, full battery.
It died in like two minutes.Now it was half an hour, was
it still? Yeah? I thinkit recorded for like half an hour.
You'll have to check that because youhave it. But I feel like it
died really fast. It died significantlyfaster than it should have for a full

(55:54):
battery, that's for sure. Butwe have a view the footage for that
yet. But and I haven't listenedback to any of our estes stuff.
Yeah, And it's just so weirdbecause, like throughout the night, we
just kept having like equipment malfunctions,like with batteries draining and just like random
shit like that. And hearing whatyou were saying where the entity there likes

(56:15):
to mess with electrical things. Itwas fucking active that night, and it's
like, you want to see something, I'll fucking show you something. Well,
the rampod was the first time wetried to use that, and it
would not function properly. Anywhere.We would put the rampod up on the
stage when we first got to thetheater, and it would not stop everywhere
we put it everywhere it went thatnight, so we turned it off and
then when Sam came in, hewas like, oh, why don't you

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why don't you check out the rampodAnd we're like, we put it on
the stage and it just wouldn't stop, and we didn't want to annoy other
people, and he's like, oh, let me see, so we gave
it to him. He turned iton, put it on the stage,
same thing would not stop, andhe was like, oh, I could
see why that would be annoying.Yes, and he turned it off and
then he turned it off. Butlike throughout the night, anytime we would
use the rampod anywhere, it justwould not stop, Like the temperature was

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going off, like the sound doyou make when you're touching the antenna wouldn't
fucking stop and nobody was fucking aroundit. But it's just no matter what
you turned it on and it wouldnot stop making noise at all. So
yeah, back to the sis methodin the theater, so that all this
wasn't happening before I even went underI heard the rustling, I heard the
footsteps. I look to my leftand you can see the master bedroom from

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where I was sitting. You geta clear shot of the window that's in
the master bedroom. I saw ashadow figure go across that window. I've
never seen a shadow figure with mynaked eye in that house. Never heard
rustling, I've never heard footsteps.All the fucking stuff happened as I was
sitting by myself, very vulnerably,and the back of the dark stage all

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the lights were turned off. Itwas dark. Jen was the most vulnerable
she's ever been in two situations inthis house, and something I wanted to
take advantage of everything. Yes,the first thing she said when she put
on the blindfold and the headphones wasa game. I hadn't said a fucking
word yet. She literally, youknow, get settled and just says a
game. That was it. WhateverI was talking to, you never told

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me what it was playing. Yeah, we definitely got the sense that whatever
was there was fucking with us,toying with us. Yeah. So we
were joined by another couple of ladies, a lady and her sister. I
think they were friends. Okay,there's another couple of ladies there. One
of them said she recognized us fromsomewhere, but she couldn't figure out where.
She couldn't put her finger on it, which was already like a strange
connection between us. Anyway, shewas so adamant that she knew was She's

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like, wait, you guys lookso familiar. I'm like, she lives
in Vegas, San Diego. There'sthat. At no point would you have
ever seen us together. Right,So they came up and they asked if
they could join us, and wehad like a double Sis method on the
stage. She never really said anything. It was an interesting experiment. I
was always curious to see what happensif you did a double Sis method.
At the same time, I've definitelyseen it in a Sam and Colby video

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that was also very interesting. I'llhave to link you that, Okay.
I don't remember where they went.So the first time we did the SS
method, when we were in thedining room the previous time, I was
hearing music coming through like a strangemelody. Like it wasn't like I understand
that when you're listening to the SpiritBox, you're going through radio stations,
so there's chances are you're going tohear music, but it was just a

(59:12):
really strange melody coming through, andit was so consistent that it wouldn't make
sense to be coming through the spiritbox. And I didn't really make note
of it when we were doing theSS method in the dining room because I
thought I was just hearing things.Yeah, So the next time we were
doing the SS method when I wasin the theater, I made sure to
just say whatever I heard, yeah, So I started, I suggested after

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she mentioned that, I'm like,anytime you hear anything, even if it's
music shouted out. So I heardmariachi music, I heard like vaudeville music.
I heard people speaking Spanish, whichis really what's weird, is I
swear I've even heard from other thingsthat that those are common things that happened.
Those two ladies when they came andwere talking to us about what they

(59:54):
got on the SS method, theydid the S S method in the parlor,
and they also said that they heardspeaking Spanish and her mariachi music.
So that was interesting that they werekind of like corroborating exactly what we were
getting. And then and then whathappened to you? So Jen was trying
something new I guess I wasn't tryingto do anything you said. You said

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you were trying to open yourself upmore. Yeah, So I was trying
to open myself up more because Ifeel like I maybe have been touched in
the past but just didn't wasn't likesensitive to it or keen to what I
was feeling. So while I wassitting there doing the SS method with my
ears covered and my eyes covered,I wanted to open myself up more to

(01:00:37):
feeling sensitive about my environment around me. And I got touched. I felt
like somebody was patting me on myhead like I was a good girl,
Like it was clearly three pats.And I went and like adjusted the headphones
because I thought maybe the headphones werejust like moving around on my head,
but they were on tight they wouldthey shouldn't have bud at all. They

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didn't budge at all, and evenme moving around the headphones did not mimic
the sensation that I felt of thepatting on my head. And again I
keep my eyes solidly on her.When she's under she sits up out of
nowhere and starts moving her head aroundlike a dog, trying to catch from
my point of from my perspective likea dog trying to figure out where they're

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hearing something from. And then sheslowly takes the headphones off and tells us
what she felt. Yeah, itwas fucking weird. Yeah, thank you.
Yeah that's a sensation I don't need. Yeah, are you happy you
did it? Yeah? I feelbrave. I'm thankful for Sam. I
feel for encourage our security blanket,encouraging us. We're also his security blanket.

(01:01:43):
That's fine. And yeah, Solike after that, we move into
the master bedroom and we try todo a spearbox sashion and we put the
spear box on the bed and there'sfour of us in there. There's meet
you and the other two ladies.Sam is just outside the door because he
wants to see if he can communicatewith whatever he had a negative experience with,
and he was getting fucking nothing butno response. It wasn't answering his

(01:02:04):
questions. There were a lot ofprofanities coming out of it. There's like
damn it and shit and like fuck, Like there's a lot of profanities coming
out of the spirit box. Ithink we heard fuck that and stuff like
that, Like we heard some thatwas a new experience because I've never heard
cussing coming through the spirit box andyou can't say that on the radio.
Yes, And we put the rampodin that little hallway and it wouldn't stop

(01:02:28):
going off. Yep, yeah,that was it was just constantly going off.
But a real quick note of thatcloset. So when though we went
the first time, I just there'sa shelf in the little closet area.
I just laid the EMF on topof it, just out of curiosity,
and it was spiking. Yeah,it's a fucking shelf. It's just a
wooden shelf. There's no electricity,there's not even a lantern there, It's

(01:02:50):
just an empty shelf. I testedit again this pastime, Green solid Green
didn't move yep, not even noteven a little bit of an orange bike,
just just on one one green,So riddle me that. But yeah,
we the responses we were getting inthe in the mash bedroom were still
not like they were. They werekind of answering our questions, but it
wasn't like a conversation. We gothey and what's up. Yeah, yeah,

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we got some like odd things,but it wasn't like carrying on a
conversation with us or anything. Likethat. So again we decided to just
pick up everything and moved. Yeah. From there we went. Now,
we went to the general store.Yes, so you reminded me of the
bad feeling that I had in thebeginning of the night, and it was
empty, so we decided to shutthe doors and set up shop in the

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general store. So the but theother ladies proceeded into the courtroom to do
their investigation in there. Yeah,so they went and sat in the jurors
box and didn't ask this method sessionover there. So we were told by
Sam that mediums have said that thereis potentially a portal to the other side

(01:04:00):
in the corner of the jury box. So that's why when the ladies set
up and we were in the generalstore, we couldn't hear each other.
We were far enough away that wecouldn't hear each other. There's a little
closet inside of the general store,and it used to be a hallway.
It didn't used to just be acloset that was locked off. It used
to be a hallway. And Samhad told us that sometimes people set up

(01:04:24):
the music box there and they getmovement, because a residual haunting is just
going to go with the flows.Oh yeah, of how the house was
at the time that they were alive, so things passed through there as if
it was still a hallway. SoI felt like, you know, I
needed to put my back to thecloset. Yeah, so she had already

(01:04:45):
decided that that was where she wasgoing to be. But also at the
same time, Sam suggested that shedo that while the other lady sit in
the jury box and we do asthis method at the same time and see
if we get anything kind of connected, because he was just curious out of
you know, just expres He says, yeah, but they had started a
little before. I think you wereable to get set up. Oh,
because as soon as you started tryingto put it on, it was making

(01:05:08):
noises. It didn't made it,understand, a weird high pitch, screeching
noise. And Sam came over andhe's like, oh, why don't she
put the headphones on. I waslike, because it's making a weird noise.
He said, oh, it's dead. So he goes and replaces it
with brand new, fresh batteries.I witnessed him put brand new batteries in
the fucking thing. He hands itback to got her all set up and
ready to go. Yeah, hehands it back to me. I put

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it on. Sounds like a normalspear box. So one of the first
things that I hear is damn ityep, and Sam freaks out because it
was like he heard her say that. But as she said that, the
lady sitting in the jury box hadbeen touched and it was getting up and
leaving the jury box because she wasnoping right out of there, like no,
no, no, no, no, I didn't sign up for this,

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yep. So she wanted to dosomething else. So when she got
up, we got a damn it, as if the person was disappointed that
this person got up. Yeah,And I asked, are you the are
you the one that just touched her? And you said yeah, which again
Sam's freaking out about you didn't evenget that sentence out. You said,
are you the one that just andI said yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I wasn't even finished asking the question. And then I don't remember what else
was happening in between then, butI do remember trying to ask it,
like who else was in the roomand how many people were there, etc.
Etc. And eventually she just kindof I don't know where goes May
I yeah, and I made amistake and I feel really bad about it.
I still feel bad about it.But I made a huge mistake.

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And I initially said, may youwhat? May you count? How many
people are in the room? Mayyou enter? In My meaning was may
you enter the room? But Ididn't make that clear, and I need
to make that clear if I saystuff like that, So I said may
you enter? And then I said, yes, you may what happened to
you? And then at that exactmoment, like I just felt cold,

(01:06:55):
like somebody just passed through me.And it was weird because it was warm
all the way up until that point, and I literally felt a cold sensation
passed through me. And then thespirit box died again, and the sound
that came through the headphones was soloud and piercing that it hurt my ears.
I screamed, and I threw offthe headphones because it hurt my ears

(01:07:18):
so much. And then Sam cameto check on us, and I was
like, there's something wrong with thespirit box and he listens and he's like,
it's dead again. He's like,what the hell? I just replaced
the batteries and I'm like, Idon't fucking know. Yep. And as
soon as as soon as she gotthat cold breeze and everything, I freaked
out and I said, I immediatelyretract my statement. Yeah, and so

(01:07:39):
whatever, and he was invited toIt was kind of like a really like
I'm sorry I didn't read, butI got rid of it. I hope,
I don't know. You haven't mentionedanything followed you, so you should
be okay. I hope. Ofcourse, when you leave the house you
were instructed to do a whole youknow, you may not come with me.
You have to stay good by,good night, thank you, and

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stay here. But I believe thatwas those are the big things. That
night was fucking weird. Like thatnight was. I saw I heard rustling,
I heard footsteps, I got touched, I saw a black shadow,
freaking cold thing passed through me likesomething was fucking with the headphones like us
a lot. Needless to say,we are tentatively excited to do the private

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investigation, yes, but after thatexperience, we are nervous because that was
different. That was very different,and it didn't help that even Sam was
shaken up by everything. So it'slike fuck, We're like no, we're
safety blanket. I know, becauseif all three of us are fucking terrified.
I don't know how safe we're goingto feel. So yeah, they

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this was this is what they calltheir public tour you have. You're usually
in a group of ten people andthey give you all the equipment and stuff
to go through. But they alsoprovide private tours where Christie and I can
just go by ourselves, we cango with Sam. Yeah, that's something
that we are planning to do inthe future and we will tell you guys
about that. So, yes,we're sorry if this tour is long,

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but the Whalley House, like wesaid, is near and dear to us.
Yeah, and we hope you canunderstand why do justice, Yeah,
with its history, with its hauntings, with our experiences, and we hope
you enjoyed it. And it's areally long episode. And we know we've
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