July 15, 2022 • 57 mins
Welcome to our Campfire Stories: Haunting Hour where we interview real life paranormal investigators as they tell us their experiences with the paranormal. We are joined by paranormal investigators Josh and Jamey from Coldspot Paranormal Research. They are also podcast hosts of the Paranormal Peeps Podcast.
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Well, hello tourists, welcome backto our lovely, warm camp fire.
It's been a while, it has. However, this one's gonna be a
little bit different and something we're hopingto maybe possibly carry on into the future.
We will be joined today instead ofbuy you lovely tourists by actually a
couple of paranormal investigators like legit ones. Yeah, like for you ones.
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So so have a go ahead andintroduce yourselves. Yeah, my name is
Josh and my name is Jamie,and not only are we paranormal investigators,
but we are also a husband andwife that we are. So yes,
about four years ago we actually startedour own paranormal investigation group and it's called
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Cold Spot Paranormal Research. A.Yeah, that kind of came about,
Like I've always been interested in theparanormal. He was scared of it,
terrified impact face your fear exactly.And so this thing came across my phone
one day about a public Waverly Hillsinvestigation down in Louisville, Kentucky. And
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it was one with like some ofthe ghost hunters like Dustin Perry, Steve
Gonsalves. They have to have thedemonologist John Zapps there and Joshua Gates from
Expedition Unknown, So I said,I convinced him to go Awesome, that's
fantastic. Yeah. Our first youknow, official paranormal investigation together was at
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Waverly Hills. Nice. Yeah,that's awesome, great place to start.
That's on our bucket list of placesto go off the line right there.
Nice, Like you know, youjust go go hard, I guess,
exactly. Awesome. So we justhave a list of questions, all right
that we would like to ask you. So, how did you get into
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the paranormal? Was there like acertain experience that kind of influenced you into
being interested in this? Well?As Jamie mentioned, so, I grew
up terrified of the paranormal UM andso it was that investigation at Waverly Hills.
UM. Once I got through it, UM and realized it wasn't as
terrifying as I thought it was goingto be. UM. And once once
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I went through all of that,it kind of just became a love affair,
and it's like, let's do itagain. Nice. It's more like
that, yeah exactly. And that'show we decided why can't we just start
our own team? Yeah? Yeah, And that first investigation was in April
of twenty and I think by thetime we finished the year, we had
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done six investigations that year. Hefelt you fell for her heart, just
like investigations everywhere, or like inyour local area or more local, more
local. But we okay, butwe did go out and we've that year.
We did go out to Idaho andwe did one at a place called
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Lava Hot Springs, and then wedid one in Montana called the old Montana
State Prison. I just listened tothat episode today. And when you were
when you were like little, didyou have any paranormal experiences? I personally
didn't, so I was kind ofa victim of circumstance that terrified me a
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lot. So I grew up Catholicand same and during Catholic, you know,
you have first Communion, right,and so during first Communion, our
teacher told us that there are evilspirits in the world and if you come
across them and see them, you'lldie. Oh my gosh, sounds about
right. Yeah, take that,and then couple that with watching Poltergeist and
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The Shining I was gonna say anyand all movies of the day, you
know, you know, five yearsold watching that and poulter Geist and the
Shining Yeah, and there's no wonderI was terrified that where I don't know,
my dad was there with me.Oh perfect, Yeah, my dad
was always there watching the radar horrormovies right alongside me, like that's when
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I was little. Freddy Krueger Iwatched when I was five, and uh
still haunted me until two years agowhen Christine made me watch it again and
relive my fears and made her faceher fears. Yeah, you realize,
I mean. And it probably didn'thelp too that when Friday the Thirteenth,
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Part six came out in theaters,my mom let me go with my sister
to go watch its parenting for theone. Yeah, so, Jamie Wick,
you went too the paranormal? Umso kind of I interested in the
paranormal began I was in grade school. My brother was, I think in
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junior high, seventh grade, andhe brought home some library books on true
paranormal hauntings. And I remember takingthe book and just kind of reading like
the first like you know, storyor two in it and being fascinated with
it. And then I just readthe rest of the entire book, and
from there I was I was hookedat a pretty young age. So yeah,
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that's pretty similar to to me,Like my dad got me into scary
things, watching Tales from the Cryptand Outer Limits and stuff like that when
we were a little Are you afraidof the Dark? Are you afraid of
the dark? Nickelodeon and things likethat, and so I'm like, this
is a cool thing to get into. So kind of are started from there
too. Yeah, yeah, itis, it really is. And then
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to find out that all, likea lot of it is actually potentially real,
like that's so cool. Yeah.Absolutely. In terms of your investigating
techniques, is there a specific sourcethat you gain your knowledge from or is
it kind of just a natural thingas you're in the area and you just
kind of do what comes to you. It's a little bit of both.
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Yep. Um, So we watchedwe did watch watch a lot of ghost
Hunters at first, and watching thekind of the way Jason and Grant and
those guys investigated, we started modelingourselves a lot after them, Um,
trying to debunk as much as possiblein those things. But then once you
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start doing it, if you keepthe same pattern, it gets monotonous and
it gets kind of boring. Yeah. Um, And so then we start
we just kind of change it upas we go, and so we just
kind of let the building in theenvironment kind of lead us how, you
know, how we're going to investigateand how the whole night goes. You
kind of incorporate a little Zach Beagan'sin there. We don't do that.
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So we went back to Waverley liketwenty nineteen and we rented the entire place
out for ourselves. Oh wow,Yeah, it was awesome. I think
there were six of us. Howmuch was that. It's a thousand dollars.
That's actually not as bad as yousplit between the six of you.
Yeah, yeah, but it's notbad at all. It's actually pret reasonable.
But they told us. So wegot a quick tour and we were
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inside of the surgical room and theytold us that there was a group of
people who were in there and theywere provoking the spirit in there, and
the door to the surgical room slammedshut and they couldn't get out and they
had to call the fire department toget them out. Yeah, oh my
gosh, that's what you get.Respect it like for serious people there.
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They've gone through a lot of thingsclearly, and they're continuing to go through
things in their after life. Yeah, respect them exactly, you know.
And I remember we had Dustin Perrytell us the story when he was provoking
up and left Castle and m Iremember that episode and how much that shook
him up, and he's like,yeah, no, I'm never going to
do that again. I mean,I feel like Zach has chilled out a
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lot on the provoking too, atleast in recent years, in more recent
episodes. Yeah, we haven't watchedin a few years, so I have
no idea. Yeah, we watchperiodically, partly for like Patreon and mostly
for like anything that applies to whateverwe're researching at the time, of course.
Yeah. Yeah, but in thebeginning, like it's the worst,
so much, too much, alot of theatrics I think an actual bully,
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yeah yeah. And if you thinkabout it, right, if if
you go into someone's house and you'remean and angry and provoking them, you're
probably gonna get deck yeah yeah,and then thrown out, thrown out,
right, And if someone goes tothrow a punch at you, at least
you can see it and you canlike at least block or fall on the
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ground. Right, But if it'sthe spirit that's gonna deck you or hit
you. You have no idea it'scoming right, how it's coming either exactly.
Yeah, that's cute. Do youhave a most memorable investigation for better
or for worse? Wow? There'sbeen a lot um and I won't use
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way. Really that was too easy. It's too easier with our first I
man, there's been so many thatwe've gone on. I think one of
the ones that I'd liked the most, and mainly because we've gone back four
times, was the old Montana StatePenitentiary. You guys got some good stuff
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in that. Yeah, Yeah,that place was. That place is has
never disappointed, never no. Andwe've had we've had everything from disembodied voices,
we've had we've seen full body apparitions, wow, you know, phantom
noises, all of that stuff thathas happened in that in that building,
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and it's and it's never the same. So like one year, two years
ago or three years ago now thatwe went back, when we went there,
it was very audible, lots ofdisembodied voices. We started out the
night getting growled at and she's justkind of went from there. Wow,
It's like, well, I canonly go up from here, right,
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Yeah, and Jamie had an awesomeexperience in maximum security there the first year
that we were there, I did. In fact, it was snowing and
it was eighteen degrees out and thiswas like early on in the night.
We were in maximum Security, andI remember like my dad and a couple
of my sisters were down in thelast cell down in Maximum and Josh and
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the security gal there. They werekind of way in the front, and
I was kind of in the middleof it all. I was just standing
there on my own in the middle, and I remember being like super tired.
It's like the coal just zapped yourenergy, and so I felt drained.
I was tired, and I wasobviously very cold, and so I
just had my hands in my coatpocket and I was kind of just looking
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down at my feet and then Iclosed my eyes and I was standing there
and I felt what I thought wasJosh come up to my shoulder and like
bump his chest on my shoulder andjust stopped, and without opening my eyes
or looking up, I said,is that you? And there was a
male voice that went, huh.I'm like, okay. I just got
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chills from that. Yeah, Immediatelyafter the uh huh, the hair on
my arms just started to go up, and I'm like, Okay, something's
not right here. Like I feltthe energy and it wasn't my husband.
It was not right. Something wasnot right. So without looking up,
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I just kind of put pulled aflashlight out of my right pocket and I
clicked it on down at my shoes, and I looked at my shoes and
then I just kind of moved itover to where his feet should have been.
There were no feet there, Sothat's when I looked up and I
looked all around. There was nobodyaround me, and so I look at
him and I and I said,Josh, I said, did you just
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come over here? And he's likeno, He's like I've been. He
was like twenty feet towards the frontfrom me, and I'm like, you
just didn't come over here, andthere was nobody else. And you know,
for the longest time I did notbelieve that it wasn't him until when
we got home we were going backover the audio and the video because we
had a still cam set up rightthere that I could clearly see it wasn't
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him. Yeah, Like you needthat confirmation that, like exactly, Yeah,
exactly. Did you capture that ahunt on any of your devices?
Did not? And that's what reallysucks. Yeah, even though that she
was holding a digital quarter in herhand, it was so we had the
audio from the video. Yeah,it's strange how you can capture some things
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but not others. And I wonderwhy that happens. Yeah, great question.
I wish we knew. Yeah,it's like it'll pick up your voice,
so if you can physically hear withyour own ears, it should pick
up on the audio. So likethat's pretty bizarry Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I had it. Um, Iwas walking down a hallway and way
really and I had a camera inmy left hand and a camera in my
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right hand, and I picked upan EVPM my left one but not on
my right, one on my rightbut not on my left, and then
another one on my left arm.Right. They're just messing with you at
that point, pretty much like we'regonna make you go through twenty hours of
audio, not just the ten onone camera. Yep, you're gonna have
to listen to everything exactly. So, is there a piece of evidence that
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sticks out in your mind that's likereally affected you? Was there just a
really gnarly evp you got or didyou capture any full bodied apparitions on any
of your delight, on any ofyour cameras or anything like that that just
really just really sticks with you,all of it, all of it.
Pretty much, any evidence is goodevidence. Yeah, that makes sense though.
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Yeah, yeah, so a mixture, right, So when we were
in Lava Hot Springs, we actuallydid catch a full body apparition. The
main floors were coming down the stairsand I panned to the left and you
can see there's a person like ina doorway, just kind of like leaning
out and looking at us, andthen I panned away, so I didn't
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even see the person, so Ididn't even stop. Yeah, the cameras
went and so it's like, wellthat was pretty cool. But I think
the best evidence video evidence we gotwas the was the very first time we
took out a GoPro camera. Wetook a we had gotten these cheap GoPro
cameras from where I used to work, and we took it out for the
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very first time. And we werean asylum forty nine in Tuilla, Utah.
Have you ever heard of asylum fortynine? No, but my husband's
from Tuilla. Okay, So itused to be the Tuilla County Hospital and
then when it closed, it becamehalf of it became a nursing home and
the other half was hunted house calleda sound are not And when the nursing
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home closed, the guy bought theentire building. And so we were there
in the Egyptian room and we hadput a digital or the camera on one
side, and a digital recorder anda K two meter and a black lead
on the other side. And Iwas saying, hey, you know,
we have this device here that withthis red light on it, you can
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you can speak into it and we'llhear your voice. And as soon as
I say that, this hand comesdown with this like six inch long finger
and points directly at the digital recorder. Oh but you mean this one exactly
here, And the nail was longand pointed and show you can see the
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knuckles like this, this finger islong and gang. Yeah, it's it's
nasty, something straight out of ahorror movie, like yes, yeah,
yeah, right, that's nightmare fuelright there. Yeah. And we yet
we put that up on our YouTubechannel. So it's up there now you
guess see it? Oh yeah,awesome? What is your YouTube channel.
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Would you like to plug it rightnow? Oh? Yeah, it's a
cold spot paranormal research. No,fantastic. But yeah, that's not the
only time that hand appeared, becauseright after that, after it points to
the digital recorder, like on thetable. It actually because I'm standing to
the right of this stuff and Ihave dowsing rods in my hands, so
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we know it's not my hands,and I'm wearing all blacks, so you
don't even know I'm there, right, And but after it points down the
digital recorder and it comes in aframe, and it goes out of frame.
Then it comes into frame from thebottom right, and it comes up
what would have been my rib cageand kind of circles around my personal area
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up there and like grab looks likeit like ruts it and then squeezes it
rude and then it disappears. Andthe creepy thing is you could see its
whole hand and it had three fingers. This hand was huge and it had
three long, creepy fingers. Thatjust makes me think of like an alien
hand, Like right, yes,it was. It was definitely not human.
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No, we're thinking it might havebeen a Type three. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. The non humanspirits. Oh yeah, thanks, And
Asylum forty nine has two or threeof them that run around. Yeah they
do demons. Yeah, oh wow, thank you. Scary. So,
like, when you guys are goingto investigate a place, do you find
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out like everything there is to knowabout it, including like people's experiences there
and whatnot, or do you kindof go in more or less blind to
get your own experiences. We wekind of do. Uh, It kind
of depends. Sometimes we'll do We'llget a little bit of information about the
place, like just least a littlebit about the history of it, so
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we have something about front but reallywe didn't do We don't usually do any
of our research until after we getdone. Yeah, so we usually go
in completely blind. Yeah, justgo and blind see what your experiences are.
Yeah, that was kind of themindset we tried to take when we
went to the Cosmopolitan. Yeah.So I'm in San Diego and one of
the most haunted hotels here is theCosmopolitan and it's an old town and it
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was built in the eighteen hundreds,and we that was where we did our
first and only investigation. So wewent in kind of blind, not really
knowing the history behind the place,and then after we did our investigation,
then we did an episode a podcastepisode about the place, so we got
the history behind it and everything,and some thing's made a lot of sense
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afterwards. And we always wonder aboutthat, especially with like paranormal investigators,
like if you know a lot ofinformation and a lot of experiences and things
you should be seeing and hearing beforehand, does that skew your results or skew
your experiences and would it be betterto go in blind? Yeah, Well,
that's an interesting thing because we've goneto some places multiple times and so
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we already have experiences and knowledge there. I think it goes in with your
mindset really, because if you goin with this thought process that everything that's
going to happen is going to beparanormal, then you're going to make probably
more work for yourself and find alot of things that aren't paranormal, but
you claim to be paranormal, rightprocess after Yeah, and you and you
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have those people right that are whatwe call them, we call them close
minded believers that essentially everything is paranormal. Yeah, and when you can't prove
them otherwise, yeah, exactly.Yeah, And when that happens, like
it just makes it more challenging.So right, you know, I think
it's for us, like it's beennice to going blind. But then in
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the places that we have gone afew times, like there are spirits that
were like, hey, you know, I want to go back and talk
to this spirit. So then yougo looking for that that spirit to go
talk to, right, um,And and that can be kind of nice,
yeah, because you've had that initialexperience before, so you already kind
of have that connection. Yeah.Yeah. And sometimes like you find that
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there are spirits people don't want totalk to you, and then you go
try to track them down and seeif you can get them to talk to
you people. Yeah, So thatexperience at that asylum sounded incredibly horrifying.
Is there any other investigation you didwhere you were just like genuinely terrified and
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maybe even had to leave early terrified? Yes, leave early never. Yeah.
So we were at this place calledin this town called Eureka. It's
an old mining town in Utah,and they used to allow um some investigations
in these old buildings that are onthe main street there because they were all
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empty at the time. But someonebought the land, putting new people in
them, so unfortunately you can't investigatethere anymore. But there's this old bank
building there, and we were inthis bank building and we were with a
public group and I'm sitting up againstthe wall, and the leaders like,
yeah, sometimes the spirit likes,the spirits like to kind of hide out
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in this closet, and she openedthe door. And as soon as the
door door opened, I felt thisalmost like this rush come at me and
I wanted to like crawl back throughthe wall. No. No, it
was probably the most terrifying experience I'veever had investigating and feeling didn't go away
until the door closed. Oh way, wo have no idea. We needn't
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actually get a chance to investigatory.What about for you, Jamie? Or
would you say that the creepy,spooky three fingered hand is it? I
don't know. I you know,when we when we reviewed that video,
I think we must have watched italmost one hundred times because we just couldn't
believe it. We were trying todebunk it, right, you know,
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we were going through and rerunning itand you know, frame by frame,
and we're trying to debunk it,and we just we couldn't and we were
oddly. I mean it, well, yeah, it was like creepy.
You think this thing had its hand, you know, all up in my
business. Right, But at thesame time you're like, I can't believe
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we caught this. Yeah, so, but beyond that, I don't know
that. Nothing comes to mind thatreally terrified me. What about Family creep?
Well, now that was more ofa sick wasn't it. Yeah,
that was just a Type three makingme sick. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
gonna be terrified if I even hadinkling that it was a demon. Yeah.
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Yeah, And I totally get itbecause it's like, while we don't
go looking for type threes, um, doing what we do, you are
going to come across them for sure. They're always looking for you. Yeah
yeah, yeah, yeah you guys. Have you guys heard of the Family
Tree restaurant in Santa Quin. SoGhost Adventures did an episode on that place.
Um, it's also not available togo investigate anymore. But the first
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time we'd ever there, there wasa demon that there's a demon that used
to hang out in the basement there, and so we went and we spent
the entire night in the basement thefirst night. Did you get anything down
there? I don't know. Inever reviewed my evidence. Nothing obvious TBD.
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Yeah, yeah, nothing obvious.Um, yeah, it was just
I don't know. It was justit felt like a very quiet night.
Yeah. Would you say you're bothsensitive like to Oh I am sensitive like
a brick. Oh that would beme. Jens are sensitive. Yeah,
yeah, Jamie is a lot moresensitive than I. Well, I don't
know. It just has to reallybe for me. I feel like it
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has to be obvious for me topick up on. I mean, I
feel like anybody that walks in Americaand go whoa wait, you know,
and be able to, you know, feel the energy kind of change.
Yeah, that's not entirely true.And I will put this because we did
a home investigation and it was aplace that was being remodeled, right,
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and this is when we had thisis a couple of years ago. We
had a much bigger team and oneof the gals pulled Jamie aside and says,
what do you feel in this room? And to me, it's a
bathroom and it's that's all it is. But Jamie nailed it pretty much on
the head. I got lucky modestyhad committed suicide in there, or had
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there's a woman in there who hadcommitted suicide. Is not lucky. That's
pretty solid. That's incredibly specific.She's like, wow, well, do
you feel like there are certain typesof spirits that you attract? Like are
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you more sensitive to female spirits orcreepy demon ones like the ones you just
described. I think it's a mixedbag, but I do know that I
think anybody that goes out there andyou know, kind of dives into the
paranormal and goes out and investigates andstuff, I think you become like,
in a way, a magnet forit. We've had we've had spirits come
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to our home and come through.Like I was Marco Polo and one of
our other team members and you know, she Marco pulled me back and she's
like, I want you to goand listen to Marco Polo. You sent
me. She goes, and Iwant you to stop at this time stamp
here and she goes and listen,and so I did, and this little
girl's voice came through that said stopand so her, you know, this
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team member, and I her andI kind of went through. And so
she's a sensitive and she's like,I want you to Marco polo and just
do like a pan around your livingroom dining room area, and so I
did, and then she did ascreenshot and then circled where this spirit was
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in my home and it became awhole thing. That night, she goes,
I want you to go get yourdigital recorder. She goes, I
want you to set up living room. I want you to do an EVP
session. And so I had Joshgo downstairs and get the digital and I
said on the coffee table, andI got this feeling that if he stayed
up there in the upstairs with me, that this spirit wasn't going to talk
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to me. And so I says, you need to go downstairs in the
basement, and I go and shutthe door behind you, and so I
sent him downstairs. So him andmy son were down here in the basement
and I did about a forty minutebetween forty and forty five minute VP session.
And it was around Christmas, andso I had my tree up and
turned off all the lights and likelit up the tree and we knew it
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was a little girl spirit. Andso I was talking to her for about
forty minutes, asking her her name, and I asked several times because I
felt like she the first time,she didn't give me. The first couple
times she didn't give me her name, so I asked her a couple more
times. I was like, hey, you know, let's light up the
snowman around the tree and you know, and isn't this cool? And you
know? And then when I wasdone, I had Josh come back upstairs
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and I said, get your headphones. I go, I want you to
go over this audio. And hedid, and I think we ended up
with like eleven EVPs. Oh wowin just the forty minutes. Yeah.
Yeah, And this little girl hadgiven us her name, it was Katie,
and it was very audible on thedigital. But we found out there
was a woman there with her aswell, and I think this woman was
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looking after Katie. And then wediscovered there was a couple of males and
I can't remember what the one youngermale said, Oh, I heard you
in the basement. I heard youdownstairs. He said yeah. Yeah.
He's like I could downstairs. Yeah, And it was clear. It was
like it wasn't a whisper. He'slike, I heard you downstairs. That's
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crazy. And we actually ended upthose spirits, the little girl and the
woman they wanted to be crossed over, and the one younger male, one
younger male. And so that's whatwe ended up doing that night, was
we crossed those three over and thenwe had one that was harassing them that
was like a type two kind ofHounrey butt head spirit. What goes into
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helping them pass on? What doyou guys do? Oh, my gosh,
something very hard to explain actually,right, So our other teammate,
a Lisa, is the one thatis able to do this on a consistent
basis. Essentially, what it is, it's it's it's like opening the opening
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the light again, opening the doorwayto the other side. There's a theory
that says, you know, afteryou've passed on the way across the way
to cross over and to go intothe other side essentially is a limited window.
And so if you miss your window, then you're stuck until someone can
help you out. Okay. Andso these spirits actually found us and seek
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us out for this purpose in itself. Yeah. Interesting. So it would
Alisa kind of consider herself to besort of a medium, as it were.
Um, yeah, I think so. I don't think she's ever used
that terminology, but more sensitive,Um, Most of the people that have
met who are very sensitive, atleast that have been on our team,
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have never considered themselves mediums, right, don't necessarily use that word to describe
themselves. Yeah, yeah, becausein reality, all a medium technically is
someone who can speak to spirits.Yeah, and uh, with a nice
pair of dowsing rods, I cando the same thing. Yeah, there
you go. Just it just remindedme of a girl that usually investigates with
(30:11):
the YouTuber Salmon Colby, and shecalls herself a medium, And everything you
were describing about Alisa reminded me ofher. Yeah, and that's I would
say that's probably the accurate definition ifyou wanted to put on it. Is
there a location that you would considerbe on your bucket list that you guys
haven't had a chance to investigate yet? Oh about sixty of them, actually,
(30:33):
at least all of them. Whatwould you say, is at the
top of it? Oh, man, um us or abroad anywhere? Lets
anywhere? Yeah, unless you wantto categorize it. Well, if if
we're going to stay in abroad,I'd say left Castle in Ireland awesome,
that one's pretty high on my list, or any castle in in Europe.
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To be honest, I got marriedin a Hawnks castle in Ireland. It
was literally fifteen minutes away from LepCastle, but yep, we were going
to take photos there but we didn'tend up ran out a time. But
my husband was like, you wouldhave us getting married in a haunted castle.
I was like, hey, Ididn't know what's haunted before we got
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here. I know now, butit's fine. Well. You know that's
interesting though, because if you considera place that haunted, that has ghosts
in it, then pretty much everybuilding, every house, every place has
just haunted. Yeah, every everyone'shome has at least one ghost in it.
Yeah, whether it's brand new builtor been there for a hundred years,
(31:40):
or at least one spirit in there. Yeah, because the land has
been here forever. Yeah, thebuilding maybe not. But some of them
come with us. Yeah. Iwas gonna say, or you draw them
in, bring them home with you. It's fine. What about you,
Well, i'd say sucket listwise,I'm gonna have to go with Gettysburg for
(32:02):
sure. Nice. I would absolutelylove. I would love to investigate it
in the day and in the night. I wonder what, I wonder what
the difference between the things you wouldget would be that would be interesting to
see. Yeah, yeah, Ihear that during the day you get I
mean, I don't know if you'veever gone on like YouTube and stuff and
looked at the you know, paranormalfootage of Gettysburg during the day, but
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there's a lot and it's some ofthe best footage I think I've seen,
and it's just I think a lotof it is actually residual though. I
just think it's imprinted on the environmentbecause you figure they were you know,
they were at war and there's thosehigh emotions of like fear and you know,
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all these things, and I justthink that imprints on the environment and
it plays over and over. Msure, so much energy. There is
there a protocol or a ritual thatyou do when you're done investigating, like
for instance, you know, weuse use a Weiji board. You have
to say goodbye to close the session. Is there something that you guys do
before you leave a location? Um? Yeah, we pray every time,
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Okay, So we pray for protection, pray for peace, um. And
we also pray to keep the spiritswhere they were, and then we also
tell the spirits that they're not allowedto follow us home, and they have
to stay there and doing so.We actually have not had any spirits track
us back. No. Yeah,I've seen a lot of like the investigators
(33:30):
that primarily do their stuff on YouTubetend to like close up their stuff the
same exact way of like you arenot welcome to come with us, thank
you for speaking with us exactly.Yeah, it ends here. Yeah.
And then the other thing is isjust don't ever take anything from a hundred
location. Oh god, no rocks, yeah no, no lead paint on
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accident on accident. Yeah, you'reliterally taking its hand and walking it with
you. Yeah. Yeah, thathappened after our first Waverly investigation. We
got back to our hotel room wewere packing up the next the next day
or the day later that night toleave, and I'm like, oh,
we got lead paint in here fromthe walls, from the walls from like
(34:15):
like I would just leave this herein the hotel. Now you've wanted the
hotel, have you gone back tocheck so, like, what kind of
equipment do you guys normally use oris there any that you find like more
reliable than anything else or anything likethat, or your favorite equipment to use
(34:37):
well, I think our favorite equipmentto use as dowsing rods. Most spirits
know what they are, they've seenthem, especially the older ones. Right,
that's something that was very common intheir practice, like fine water and
everything else. And then they don'ttake a lot of energy for them to
manipulate, So it's nice to communicatethat way. Plus it's you know,
(35:00):
this instant gratification right right, crosshim for yes, push him apart for
now, And by doing so youcan actually you know, have a conversation
real time and not to worry aboutreviewing anything, which makes it nice.
Nice. Yeah, you know,we've got all manner of stuff. We
have a K two, we've gota mail meter. We've got like a
(35:22):
thing called a flux two, likefrom ghostop. Those use motion sensors to
set off a red light in agreen light and so you can do the
same thing, have a yes orno conversation with those. And then also
we've got you know, digital recordersand OUs an ovulus. Oh I'm jealous
of the ovulus. Yeah, weordered ours. It took like six months
(35:47):
because they built it to order anduh huh. The guy that built ours
was Bill Chapel, and he buildsall the car equipments for ghost adventures.
Sounds familiar. That's cool. Yeah, that's super cool, But really what
works like it faeries on location.So one location, spirits will like really
(36:09):
gravitate towards one piece of equipment andother times the next time you go to
place and nobody'll touch it. Yeah, well that's nice to know. Well,
because then you have like a wholebig bag of tricks. Because it's
like you keep using the same thingover and over again, you might not
necessarily get what that ghost wants tocommunicate with that day. Yeah, that's
(36:30):
like like I'd love to talk toyou, but you don't have the right
stuff. If only you've had thedowsing rods today, I don't feel like
talking to a spirit. I woulddo that as a ghost if I if
I was an intelligent haunting, that'snot a residual haunting. If I were
to be an intelligent haunting, Iprobably just like you know, mess people
that's fine. Oh yeah no nottoday, maybe maybe another one like just
(36:53):
move one rod, yeah and likejust like it around, Like I understand
the rules, but I don't careye exactly chaos that would be me.
What do you think about the reliabilityof like smartphone apps, like I've seen
sols apps, I've seen the sparebox apps, and I've seen some investigators
(37:15):
say that they're not really reliable,but then I see other investigators use them
and say that there's no problem withthem. What do you guys think?
Would you like my software engineer mindor would you like my investigator mind on
this one? Both? First ofone and the other. Right, let's
start with the investigator mind, andthen we'll do the software engineering mind,
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okay, us the investigator. Idon't put much stock in them. I
really don't. There's one out therethat I have heard people use a lot,
which is called necrophonic. I've heardof them. Yeah, some people
swear by it and they've gotten greatstuff off of it. Other people have
gotten nothing, So I don't know. The thing is is it's a data
(38:00):
bank of words, and so it'sgoing to spit out what it wants as
it does. So a lot oftimes it spits out all the evil words
a lot. Yeah, the onesthat I'll get a rise out of,
you demon, hell, devil,diet, yep, exactly. So.
The one, though, I thinkthat I actually like the most though,
is called echobox, and I don'tknow if they still make it anymore.
(38:23):
And all that really is is alive EVP thing, So you would you
ask a question, right, andthen the microphone is hot and it'll record
for like ten or fifteen seconds andthen I'll play it back to you.
That's nice, and that's all that'sthe whole point of the app. Yeah,
(38:43):
that's really interesting instead of having tolike physically go back, rewind do
the thing. Yeah, so likethose things, I think those are pretty
neat. And then there's another oneout there. It's not really a ghost
investigation app per se. It's justa monkey or a high tech audio recording
one where you can change like theplayback speeds. You can reverse the playback
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so you can go you can playbackand reverse or change the loudness and stuff
like that. And I think thatone, maybe that one makes sense because
it's just not it's not actually,you know, manipulating anything. It's just
this is the words that are comingout. So sometimes EVPs do come in
backwards. They do, that's true. I was just gonna say, have
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you guys gotten that's interesting? Yeah? Once really, yeah, we've gotten
one backwards EVP. Oh and Ican't even remember what it said. I
was gonna say, what did itsay? And I found it out by
Actually that's crazy. How does thathappen? Well, I mean that's a
good question, Like one, wedon't even know how EVPs actually occur,
(39:49):
that's true. And so how dothey speak backwards? I have no idea
because it's a non human Yeah,maybe it could be. I mean,
it's it's funny though. I foundit out because those was listening. I
was like, oh, there's athere's a voice here, there's there's words
there, and then I drug mycursor backwards and it'll play, you know,
it'll play as it goes backwards,right, And I was like,
(40:09):
oh, wait, I can makeout what it's saying. They pulling it
back, So it's crazy. Yeah, something to keep in mind. So,
like, how do you guys goabout getting approval to investigate the places
that you go to? Well,we ask that makes sense email all of
(40:30):
it. Is it hard to getthe approval or are people usually pretty open
to letting you do that. It'skind of a mix, Okay, it's
just because like you have those peoplelike here in Utah, there's a lot
of paranormal groups here, and there'sa lot of paranormal groups here that do
public investigations. And what ends uphappening is sometimes like these groups will come
(40:54):
in and they'll have a bad likepublic investigation, or they will do something
that the owners aren't happy with,and once that happens, they'll just say
no more, We're done. Andat least six places that I'm aware of
have stopped allowing investigators to come through. No matter how nice you ask,
(41:15):
however much money you offer them,they're just like, no, we're not
We're not ever having this to happenagain. No, man, it makes
sense to it, like you can'teven blame them, but that's that's a
bummer. Yeah. Yeah. Andsome of it too, is people will
go in and they'll do during theirinvestigations, they'll start doing rituals. Yeah.
And while there are those who don'tmind the rituals, right, Utah's
(41:40):
a very religious state, right,and those things don't bode well for most
of the population here. Yeah,makes sense. Yeah, a lot of
times it just really when we callthem and talk to them, it's really
just saying, hey, look,you know, this is who we are
and this is what we like todo. Um, you know, would
(42:00):
you be okay with us coming inand you know, take a look around,
And a lot of places are prettyopen to it, yes, um,
but you do have those who arelike, no, absolutely not.
Yea, we don't believe in it. We're terrified of it, right,
we don't want to I don't wantit. Yeah, exactly do you present
the evidence? You get to theowners of the places only if they ask
(42:24):
okay. So a lot of theplaces we've gone and investigated, they're used
to having investigators come through, andso they're like, hey, you know
what if you put it up onYouTube, just let us know and then
we'll take a look. Wils themdon't care like we We've only ever done
one home investigation with a homeowner present, and then we didn't need to actually
(42:46):
give any evidence review for that one. We had all of the information we
needed from during the investigation. NA lot of fun. Is there an
unlikely source in your not paranormal investigatorlife, like your day jobs or anything
that you had to surprisingly draw fromto help you during an investigation, like
(43:07):
say your software engineering background, Likehas that helped in your investigations? Trying
to think, I'm trying to thinkif it's ever helped if any of it's
come into play before. Right now, I think I think we pretty much
separate the two so much that it'snever they've never crossed. No, okay,
well, actually no, there's there'sbeen a couple of cases where like
(43:30):
before I was a software engineer,I did actual um environm multip appliance testing
for gas stations and understanding like electricityand pipelines and stuff like that. And
there's a couple of times we've usedthat type of knowledge, being able to
track where pipes are going and whereelectricity is going, just to help rule
out you know, emf spikes andright coming from Yeah, yeah, see,
(43:55):
I like that kind of that kindof tie in though, where it's
like you wouldn't necessarily think of thatunless you had that knowledge prior to go.
Again, one day we'll actually getan investigate a computer center and then
it'll be a lot nicswer. You'llhave your own Billy and Jay and they'll
be out in the truck that adventures. That'd be perfect working on that.
(44:22):
Yeah, that just reminds me sohere in Vegas, Zach has his paranormal
museum. Yes, would you guysever go or try to investigate there or
anything. I would go, Iwouldn't investigate. He does allow it.
They do allow these little investigations tohappen there. They're expensive and restrictive and
(44:42):
very restrictive, So I wouldn't.I mean, i'd go see it,
Like I think we all like oddities. I mean, really, Zach Baggan's
museum is really nothing different than Barnumand Bailey's freak shows because we actually went
in January. Did we go inJanuary of this year? Think? So?
(45:06):
Yeah? There literally was like afreak show performer in the middle of
one of the rooms, just likeout of nowhere. Yeah. You just
walk into this room and there's thisguy that puts a drill up his nose.
So yep, okay, very bizarrebecause you wanted to show you how
the bottoms worked. That wasn't evenwhy. I don't know, he just
(45:28):
does some tricks. I seriously thoughtthat he was going to do that.
I'm like, are you gonna tellus about the bottoms? Oh no,
you're putting that in your own noseoff, And then that's just how it
is, okay. And then there'slike this small, teeny tiny space where
you go in and look through ahole in a wall. I forget what
the significance of the room we werelooking into was, but there's a whole
story demon that supposedly resides over there. And I'm like, Okay, I
(45:52):
didn't do anything. I didn't seeanything, but it's just dirt. But
it is interesting. I would itwas definitely worth going there. Are there
are some like cool like knick knacks, memorabilia and stuff in there, so
it is it is definitely worth goingto check out. But Jen did feel
(46:12):
some things and we did experience somethings, And yeah, do you have
any advice for us amateur paranormal investigatorsfor our upcoming investigation? Yeah, of
course, I think the Wow,there's a couple there's a couple of things
besides not provoking. Of course,relax and have fun. And remember when
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you're doing an EVP session, thenyou are talking to someone who used to
be alive, and so ask themquestions as if you're trying to actually get
to know that person. Because alot of these places, I mean,
I mean, if you think aboutit, right, it's like if you're
sitting in your home and then everyweekend, right, because most of these
places have paranormal investigations every weekend,Right, you get the same questions asked.
(46:58):
Show yourself, right, make anoise for me? How did you
die? Turn on the light?Yeah exactly, you're like some stuff worring
my own house, dang it,And so I mean think of it that
way, right, You're just talkingto a person, and so ask them
questions that you would want to know, you know, so we'll like if
(47:21):
you asked questions like what was yourfavorite food? You know, is there
something that you miss playing with ormiss doing? You know, we've been
asked like, you know, ifyou've ever had pizza, and if you
have, what's your favorite topping?Well, those pineapples pizza exactly exactly,
and get into an argument with aghost. And it sounds weird, right,
(47:43):
No, but it also makes sensefrom the perspective of what you said
of like people entering your home andyeah, exactly, Like definitely that's true.
Yeah, you know, and itdoes feel weird when you're doing your
first very you know, your veryfirst EVP session. Yeah, talking to
there because they're feel like you're talkingto the air, So you know,
(48:04):
don't feel embarrassed. Everyone feels uncomfortablethe first time they do it, or
the first few times they do itreally and it's like everyone's going to feel
that way, right, So insteadof like sitting back and and being the
person that's, you know, afraidof looking silly, just embrace it and
just before No, that's good advice. So we have very just basic equipment.
(48:29):
We have a K two meter,We have a digital recorder, and
we have a couple of cameras andwe're going to get a spirit box before
our next investigation. Is there anyother piece of equipment that you think we
should have as like in our basickit, I would find out if you
guys can use dowsing rods. Okay, and use those? Those are my
go too? Dows gonna say.If they don't say dowsing rods, I'll
(48:51):
be surprised exactly why over any sortof electronic equipment any day. That's very
true. She does like you wantthis, I want my rods flight I'm
good. Oh yeah, I heardin one of your investigations you guys have
like black lights and stuff. We'regoing to be in a hotel room them.
So I have no interest in bringingone of those. But um,
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but it was it did make alot more sense with the dowsing rods about
like it transcends time and it takeslike no real energy for them. Even
if we were we we had theidea of doing like the flashlights, of
having those very loosely on so thatthey can like manipulate them on and off.
Again, it's very cheap, butlike that, it makes more sense
to use dowsing rods because of howlittle energy goes into manipulating them. Yea,
(49:39):
and the flashlight thing is a littleflawed, that's true. If you've
got from it, you move.Yeah, well it's not just that,
but there's a lot of thermo dynamicsthat happen heating and cooling. The heating
and cooling of the element, andso that will actually change the contact and
make it turn off and on.Oh that's really interesting to know. Like
with heat, things expand I wantthe coolness they retract, and so they
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will actually do that. And soyou have to if you're going to do
a flashlight session, then the responseshave to be they have to make sense,
and they have to be consistent,right, like turn the light on
now, well in three two one, you're right, or use two of
them. So you use two ofthem, and so the one on the
(50:22):
left is yes and the one onthe right is no, and then you
can have them manipulate two of themand then that makes more sense because that's
the same concept as using a dowsingrock. Right, that's true. That's
good. It's a little more complex, and we've only ever had luck once
with a flashlight and so it's like, yeah, we just used dowsing rods.
(50:45):
They're way they're way easier. Yeah. Okay, UM, I think
that does it for for our questions. Is there anything you want to plug
your your podcast or YouTube, yourbusiness website. I wish we had a
website. Sua one day, oneday, I'll get one. I'll get
(51:07):
one. Put up. Um.No. But we do have a podcast
and it's called Paranormal Peeps Podcast andthis is where you can find us.
Every other week we put out anew episode. It's fantastic. If you
all enjoyed listening to the things theyhad to say here, you will enjoy
listening to their podcast. We assureyou. Oh thank you. Um.
(51:30):
For social media, you can findus on Twitter at CPR Paranormal and also
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Underscore Research. Awesome, pretty cool. All right, well, we thank
you both for joining us. Oh, you're welcome. It was it was
(51:52):
fun. It's our pleasure. Thankyou very for having us. Yeah,
we enjoyed that and we will catchyou all in the next tour. See al
Well, hello tourists, welcome backto our lovely, warm camp fire.
It's been a while, it has. However, this one's gonna be a
little bit different and something we're hopingto maybe possibly carry on into the future.
We will be joined today instead ofbuy you lovely tourists by actually a
couple of paranormal investigators like legit ones. Yeah, like for you ones.
(00:26):
So so have a go ahead andintroduce yourselves. Yeah, my name is
Josh and my name is Jamie,and not only are we paranormal investigators,
but we are also a husband andwife that we are. So yes,
about four years ago we actually startedour own paranormal investigation group and it's called
(00:49):
Cold Spot Paranormal Research. A.Yeah, that kind of came about,
Like I've always been interested in theparanormal. He was scared of it,
terrified impact face your fear exactly.And so this thing came across my phone
one day about a public Waverly Hillsinvestigation down in Louisville, Kentucky. And
(01:11):
it was one with like some ofthe ghost hunters like Dustin Perry, Steve
Gonsalves. They have to have thedemonologist John Zapps there and Joshua Gates from
Expedition Unknown, So I said,I convinced him to go Awesome, that's
fantastic. Yeah. Our first youknow, official paranormal investigation together was at
(01:34):
Waverly Hills. Nice. Yeah,that's awesome, great place to start.
That's on our bucket list of placesto go off the line right there.
Nice, Like you know, youjust go go hard, I guess,
exactly. Awesome. So we justhave a list of questions, all right
that we would like to ask you. So, how did you get into
(01:57):
the paranormal? Was there like acertain experience that kind of influenced you into
being interested in this? Well?As Jamie mentioned, so, I grew
up terrified of the paranormal UM andso it was that investigation at Waverly Hills.
UM. Once I got through it, UM and realized it wasn't as
terrifying as I thought it was goingto be. UM. And once once
(02:21):
I went through all of that,it kind of just became a love affair,
and it's like, let's do itagain. Nice. It's more like
that, yeah exactly. And that'show we decided why can't we just start
our own team? Yeah? Yeah, And that first investigation was in April
of twenty and I think by thetime we finished the year, we had
(02:44):
done six investigations that year. Hefelt you fell for her heart, just
like investigations everywhere, or like inyour local area or more local, more
local. But we okay, butwe did go out and we've that year.
We did go out to Idaho andwe did one at a place called
(03:05):
Lava Hot Springs, and then wedid one in Montana called the old Montana
State Prison. I just listened tothat episode today. And when you were
when you were like little, didyou have any paranormal experiences? I personally
didn't, so I was kind ofa victim of circumstance that terrified me a
(03:30):
lot. So I grew up Catholicand same and during Catholic, you know,
you have first Communion, right,and so during first Communion, our
teacher told us that there are evilspirits in the world and if you come
across them and see them, you'lldie. Oh my gosh, sounds about
right. Yeah, take that,and then couple that with watching Poltergeist and
(03:55):
The Shining I was gonna say anyand all movies of the day, you
know, you know, five yearsold watching that and poulter Geist and the
Shining Yeah, and there's no wonderI was terrified that where I don't know,
my dad was there with me.Oh perfect, Yeah, my dad
was always there watching the radar horrormovies right alongside me, like that's when
(04:20):
I was little. Freddy Krueger Iwatched when I was five, and uh
still haunted me until two years agowhen Christine made me watch it again and
relive my fears and made her faceher fears. Yeah, you realize,
I mean. And it probably didn'thelp too that when Friday the Thirteenth,
(04:40):
Part six came out in theaters,my mom let me go with my sister
to go watch its parenting for theone. Yeah, so, Jamie Wick,
you went too the paranormal? Umso kind of I interested in the
paranormal began I was in grade school. My brother was, I think in
(05:03):
junior high, seventh grade, andhe brought home some library books on true
paranormal hauntings. And I remember takingthe book and just kind of reading like
the first like you know, storyor two in it and being fascinated with
it. And then I just readthe rest of the entire book, and
from there I was I was hookedat a pretty young age. So yeah,
(05:27):
that's pretty similar to to me,Like my dad got me into scary
things, watching Tales from the Cryptand Outer Limits and stuff like that when
we were a little Are you afraidof the Dark? Are you afraid of
the dark? Nickelodeon and things likethat, and so I'm like, this
is a cool thing to get into. So kind of are started from there
too. Yeah, yeah, itis, it really is. And then
(05:48):
to find out that all, likea lot of it is actually potentially real,
like that's so cool. Yeah.Absolutely. In terms of your investigating
techniques, is there a specific sourcethat you gain your knowledge from or is
it kind of just a natural thingas you're in the area and you just
kind of do what comes to you. It's a little bit of both.
(06:09):
Yep. Um, So we watchedwe did watch watch a lot of ghost
Hunters at first, and watching thekind of the way Jason and Grant and
those guys investigated, we started modelingourselves a lot after them, Um,
trying to debunk as much as possiblein those things. But then once you
(06:30):
start doing it, if you keepthe same pattern, it gets monotonous and
it gets kind of boring. Yeah. Um, And so then we start
we just kind of change it upas we go, and so we just
kind of let the building in theenvironment kind of lead us how, you
know, how we're going to investigateand how the whole night goes. You
kind of incorporate a little Zach Beagan'sin there. We don't do that.
(06:59):
So we went back to Waverley liketwenty nineteen and we rented the entire place
out for ourselves. Oh wow,Yeah, it was awesome. I think
there were six of us. Howmuch was that. It's a thousand dollars.
That's actually not as bad as yousplit between the six of you.
Yeah, yeah, but it's notbad at all. It's actually pret reasonable.
But they told us. So wegot a quick tour and we were
(07:21):
inside of the surgical room and theytold us that there was a group of
people who were in there and theywere provoking the spirit in there, and
the door to the surgical room slammedshut and they couldn't get out and they
had to call the fire department toget them out. Yeah, oh my
gosh, that's what you get.Respect it like for serious people there.
(07:45):
They've gone through a lot of thingsclearly, and they're continuing to go through
things in their after life. Yeah, respect them exactly, you know.
And I remember we had Dustin Perrytell us the story when he was provoking
up and left Castle and m Iremember that episode and how much that shook
him up, and he's like,yeah, no, I'm never going to
do that again. I mean,I feel like Zach has chilled out a
(08:07):
lot on the provoking too, atleast in recent years, in more recent
episodes. Yeah, we haven't watchedin a few years, so I have
no idea. Yeah, we watchperiodically, partly for like Patreon and mostly
for like anything that applies to whateverwe're researching at the time, of course.
Yeah. Yeah, but in thebeginning, like it's the worst,
so much, too much, alot of theatrics I think an actual bully,
(08:31):
yeah yeah. And if you thinkabout it, right, if if
you go into someone's house and you'remean and angry and provoking them, you're
probably gonna get deck yeah yeah,and then thrown out, thrown out,
right, And if someone goes tothrow a punch at you, at least
you can see it and you canlike at least block or fall on the
(08:52):
ground. Right, But if it'sthe spirit that's gonna deck you or hit
you. You have no idea it'scoming right, how it's coming either exactly.
Yeah, that's cute. Do youhave a most memorable investigation for better
or for worse? Wow? There'sbeen a lot um and I won't use
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way. Really that was too easy. It's too easier with our first I
man, there's been so many thatwe've gone on. I think one of
the ones that I'd liked the most, and mainly because we've gone back four
times, was the old Montana StatePenitentiary. You guys got some good stuff
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in that. Yeah, Yeah,that place was. That place is has
never disappointed, never no. Andwe've had we've had everything from disembodied voices,
we've had we've seen full body apparitions, wow, you know, phantom
noises, all of that stuff thathas happened in that in that building,
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and it's and it's never the same. So like one year, two years
ago or three years ago now thatwe went back, when we went there,
it was very audible, lots ofdisembodied voices. We started out the
night getting growled at and she's justkind of went from there. Wow,
It's like, well, I canonly go up from here, right,
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Yeah, and Jamie had an awesomeexperience in maximum security there the first year
that we were there, I did. In fact, it was snowing and
it was eighteen degrees out and thiswas like early on in the night.
We were in maximum Security, andI remember like my dad and a couple
of my sisters were down in thelast cell down in Maximum and Josh and
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the security gal there. They werekind of way in the front, and
I was kind of in the middleof it all. I was just standing
there on my own in the middle, and I remember being like super tired.
It's like the coal just zapped yourenergy, and so I felt drained.
I was tired, and I wasobviously very cold, and so I
just had my hands in my coatpocket and I was kind of just looking
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down at my feet and then Iclosed my eyes and I was standing there
and I felt what I thought wasJosh come up to my shoulder and like
bump his chest on my shoulder andjust stopped, and without opening my eyes
or looking up, I said,is that you? And there was a
male voice that went, huh.I'm like, okay. I just got
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chills from that. Yeah, Immediatelyafter the uh huh, the hair on
my arms just started to go up, and I'm like, Okay, something's
not right here. Like I feltthe energy and it wasn't my husband.
It was not right. Something wasnot right. So without looking up,
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I just kind of put pulled aflashlight out of my right pocket and I
clicked it on down at my shoes, and I looked at my shoes and
then I just kind of moved itover to where his feet should have been.
There were no feet there, Sothat's when I looked up and I
looked all around. There was nobodyaround me, and so I look at
him and I and I said,Josh, I said, did you just
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come over here? And he's likeno, He's like I've been. He
was like twenty feet towards the frontfrom me, and I'm like, you
just didn't come over here, andthere was nobody else. And you know,
for the longest time I did notbelieve that it wasn't him until when
we got home we were going backover the audio and the video because we
had a still cam set up rightthere that I could clearly see it wasn't
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him. Yeah, Like you needthat confirmation that, like exactly, Yeah,
exactly. Did you capture that ahunt on any of your devices?
Did not? And that's what reallysucks. Yeah, even though that she
was holding a digital quarter in herhand, it was so we had the
audio from the video. Yeah,it's strange how you can capture some things
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but not others. And I wonderwhy that happens. Yeah, great question.
I wish we knew. Yeah,it's like it'll pick up your voice,
so if you can physically hear withyour own ears, it should pick
up on the audio. So likethat's pretty bizarry Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I had it. Um, Iwas walking down a hallway and way
really and I had a camera inmy left hand and a camera in my
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right hand, and I picked upan EVPM my left one but not on
my right, one on my rightbut not on my left, and then
another one on my left arm.Right. They're just messing with you at
that point, pretty much like we'regonna make you go through twenty hours of
audio, not just the ten onone camera. Yep, you're gonna have
to listen to everything exactly. So, is there a piece of evidence that
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sticks out in your mind that's likereally affected you? Was there just a
really gnarly evp you got or didyou capture any full bodied apparitions on any
of your delight, on any ofyour cameras or anything like that that just
really just really sticks with you,all of it, all of it.
Pretty much, any evidence is goodevidence. Yeah, that makes sense though.
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Yeah, yeah, so a mixture, right, So when we were
in Lava Hot Springs, we actuallydid catch a full body apparition. The
main floors were coming down the stairsand I panned to the left and you
can see there's a person like ina doorway, just kind of like leaning
out and looking at us, andthen I panned away, so I didn't
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even see the person, so Ididn't even stop. Yeah, the cameras
went and so it's like, wellthat was pretty cool. But I think
the best evidence video evidence we gotwas the was the very first time we
took out a GoPro camera. Wetook a we had gotten these cheap GoPro
cameras from where I used to work, and we took it out for the
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very first time. And we werean asylum forty nine in Tuilla, Utah.
Have you ever heard of asylum fortynine? No, but my husband's
from Tuilla. Okay, So itused to be the Tuilla County Hospital and
then when it closed, it becamehalf of it became a nursing home and
the other half was hunted house calleda sound are not And when the nursing
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home closed, the guy bought theentire building. And so we were there
in the Egyptian room and we hadput a digital or the camera on one
side, and a digital recorder anda K two meter and a black lead
on the other side. And Iwas saying, hey, you know,
we have this device here that withthis red light on it, you can
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you can speak into it and we'llhear your voice. And as soon as
I say that, this hand comesdown with this like six inch long finger
and points directly at the digital recorder. Oh but you mean this one exactly
here, And the nail was longand pointed and show you can see the
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knuckles like this, this finger islong and gang. Yeah, it's it's
nasty, something straight out of ahorror movie, like yes, yeah,
yeah, right, that's nightmare fuelright there. Yeah. And we yet
we put that up on our YouTubechannel. So it's up there now you
guess see it? Oh yeah,awesome? What is your YouTube channel.
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Would you like to plug it rightnow? Oh? Yeah, it's a
cold spot paranormal research. No,fantastic. But yeah, that's not the
only time that hand appeared, becauseright after that, after it points to
the digital recorder, like on thetable. It actually because I'm standing to
the right of this stuff and Ihave dowsing rods in my hands, so
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we know it's not my hands,and I'm wearing all blacks, so you
don't even know I'm there, right, And but after it points down the
digital recorder and it comes in aframe, and it goes out of frame.
Then it comes into frame from thebottom right, and it comes up
what would have been my rib cageand kind of circles around my personal area
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up there and like grab looks likeit like ruts it and then squeezes it
rude and then it disappears. Andthe creepy thing is you could see its
whole hand and it had three fingers. This hand was huge and it had
three long, creepy fingers. Thatjust makes me think of like an alien
hand, Like right, yes,it was. It was definitely not human.
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No, we're thinking it might havebeen a Type three. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. The non humanspirits. Oh yeah, thanks, And
Asylum forty nine has two or threeof them that run around. Yeah they
do demons. Yeah, oh wow, thank you. Scary. So,
like, when you guys are goingto investigate a place, do you find
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out like everything there is to knowabout it, including like people's experiences there
and whatnot, or do you kindof go in more or less blind to
get your own experiences. We wekind of do. Uh, It kind
of depends. Sometimes we'll do We'llget a little bit of information about the
place, like just least a littlebit about the history of it, so
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we have something about front but reallywe didn't do We don't usually do any
of our research until after we getdone. Yeah, so we usually go
in completely blind. Yeah, justgo and blind see what your experiences are.
Yeah, that was kind of themindset we tried to take when we
went to the Cosmopolitan. Yeah.So I'm in San Diego and one of
the most haunted hotels here is theCosmopolitan and it's an old town and it
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was built in the eighteen hundreds,and we that was where we did our
first and only investigation. So wewent in kind of blind, not really
knowing the history behind the place,and then after we did our investigation,
then we did an episode a podcastepisode about the place, so we got
the history behind it and everything,and some thing's made a lot of sense
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afterwards. And we always wonder aboutthat, especially with like paranormal investigators,
like if you know a lot ofinformation and a lot of experiences and things
you should be seeing and hearing beforehand, does that skew your results or skew
your experiences and would it be betterto go in blind? Yeah, Well,
that's an interesting thing because we've goneto some places multiple times and so
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we already have experiences and knowledge there. I think it goes in with your
mindset really, because if you goin with this thought process that everything that's
going to happen is going to beparanormal, then you're going to make probably
more work for yourself and find alot of things that aren't paranormal, but
you claim to be paranormal, rightprocess after Yeah, and you and you
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have those people right that are whatwe call them, we call them close
minded believers that essentially everything is paranormal. Yeah, and when you can't prove
them otherwise, yeah, exactly.Yeah, And when that happens, like
it just makes it more challenging.So right, you know, I think
it's for us, like it's beennice to going blind. But then in
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the places that we have gone afew times, like there are spirits that
were like, hey, you know, I want to go back and talk
to this spirit. So then yougo looking for that that spirit to go
talk to, right, um,And and that can be kind of nice,
yeah, because you've had that initialexperience before, so you already kind
of have that connection. Yeah.Yeah. And sometimes like you find that
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there are spirits people don't want totalk to you, and then you go
try to track them down and seeif you can get them to talk to
you people. Yeah, So thatexperience at that asylum sounded incredibly horrifying.
Is there any other investigation you didwhere you were just like genuinely terrified and
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maybe even had to leave early terrified? Yes, leave early never. Yeah.
So we were at this place calledin this town called Eureka. It's
an old mining town in Utah,and they used to allow um some investigations
in these old buildings that are onthe main street there because they were all
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empty at the time. But someonebought the land, putting new people in
them, so unfortunately you can't investigatethere anymore. But there's this old bank
building there, and we were inthis bank building and we were with a
public group and I'm sitting up againstthe wall, and the leaders like,
yeah, sometimes the spirit likes,the spirits like to kind of hide out
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in this closet, and she openedthe door. And as soon as the
door door opened, I felt thisalmost like this rush come at me and
I wanted to like crawl back throughthe wall. No. No, it
was probably the most terrifying experience I'veever had investigating and feeling didn't go away
until the door closed. Oh way, wo have no idea. We needn't
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actually get a chance to investigatory.What about for you, Jamie? Or
would you say that the creepy,spooky three fingered hand is it? I
don't know. I you know,when we when we reviewed that video,
I think we must have watched italmost one hundred times because we just couldn't
believe it. We were trying todebunk it, right, you know,
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we were going through and rerunning itand you know, frame by frame,
and we're trying to debunk it,and we just we couldn't and we were
oddly. I mean it, well, yeah, it was like creepy.
You think this thing had its hand, you know, all up in my
business. Right, But at thesame time you're like, I can't believe
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we caught this. Yeah, so, but beyond that, I don't know
that. Nothing comes to mind thatreally terrified me. What about Family creep?
Well, now that was more ofa sick wasn't it. Yeah,
that was just a Type three makingme sick. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
gonna be terrified if I even hadinkling that it was a demon. Yeah.
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Yeah, And I totally get itbecause it's like, while we don't
go looking for type threes, um, doing what we do, you are
going to come across them for sure. They're always looking for you. Yeah
yeah, yeah, yeah you guys. Have you guys heard of the Family
Tree restaurant in Santa Quin. SoGhost Adventures did an episode on that place.
Um, it's also not available togo investigate anymore. But the first
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time we'd ever there, there wasa demon that there's a demon that used
to hang out in the basement there, and so we went and we spent
the entire night in the basement thefirst night. Did you get anything down
there? I don't know. Inever reviewed my evidence. Nothing obvious TBD.
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Yeah, yeah, nothing obvious.Um, yeah, it was just
I don't know. It was justit felt like a very quiet night.
Yeah. Would you say you're bothsensitive like to Oh I am sensitive like
a brick. Oh that would beme. Jens are sensitive. Yeah,
yeah, Jamie is a lot moresensitive than I. Well, I don't
know. It just has to reallybe for me. I feel like it
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has to be obvious for me topick up on. I mean, I
feel like anybody that walks in Americaand go whoa wait, you know,
and be able to, you know, feel the energy kind of change.
Yeah, that's not entirely true.And I will put this because we did
a home investigation and it was aplace that was being remodeled, right,
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and this is when we had thisis a couple of years ago. We
had a much bigger team and oneof the gals pulled Jamie aside and says,
what do you feel in this room? And to me, it's a
bathroom and it's that's all it is. But Jamie nailed it pretty much on
the head. I got lucky modestyhad committed suicide in there, or had
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there's a woman in there who hadcommitted suicide. Is not lucky. That's
pretty solid. That's incredibly specific.She's like, wow, well, do
you feel like there are certain typesof spirits that you attract? Like are
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you more sensitive to female spirits orcreepy demon ones like the ones you just
described. I think it's a mixedbag, but I do know that I
think anybody that goes out there andyou know, kind of dives into the
paranormal and goes out and investigates andstuff, I think you become like,
in a way, a magnet forit. We've had we've had spirits come
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to our home and come through.Like I was Marco Polo and one of
our other team members and you know, she Marco pulled me back and she's
like, I want you to goand listen to Marco Polo. You sent
me. She goes, and Iwant you to stop at this time stamp
here and she goes and listen,and so I did, and this little
girl's voice came through that said stopand so her, you know, this
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team member, and I her andI kind of went through. And so
she's a sensitive and she's like,I want you to Marco polo and just
do like a pan around your livingroom dining room area, and so I
did, and then she did ascreenshot and then circled where this spirit was
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in my home and it became awhole thing. That night, she goes,
I want you to go get yourdigital recorder. She goes, I
want you to set up living room. I want you to do an EVP
session. And so I had Joshgo downstairs and get the digital and I
said on the coffee table, andI got this feeling that if he stayed
up there in the upstairs with me, that this spirit wasn't going to talk
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to me. And so I says, you need to go downstairs in the
basement, and I go and shutthe door behind you, and so I
sent him downstairs. So him andmy son were down here in the basement
and I did about a forty minutebetween forty and forty five minute VP session.
And it was around Christmas, andso I had my tree up and
turned off all the lights and likelit up the tree and we knew it
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was a little girl spirit. Andso I was talking to her for about
forty minutes, asking her her name, and I asked several times because I
felt like she the first time,she didn't give me. The first couple
times she didn't give me her name, so I asked her a couple more
times. I was like, hey, you know, let's light up the
snowman around the tree and you know, and isn't this cool? And you
know? And then when I wasdone, I had Josh come back upstairs
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and I said, get your headphones. I go, I want you to
go over this audio. And hedid, and I think we ended up
with like eleven EVPs. Oh wowin just the forty minutes. Yeah.
Yeah, And this little girl hadgiven us her name, it was Katie,
and it was very audible on thedigital. But we found out there
was a woman there with her aswell, and I think this woman was
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looking after Katie. And then wediscovered there was a couple of males and
I can't remember what the one youngermale said, Oh, I heard you
in the basement. I heard youdownstairs. He said yeah. Yeah.
He's like I could downstairs. Yeah, And it was clear. It was
like it wasn't a whisper. He'slike, I heard you downstairs. That's
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crazy. And we actually ended upthose spirits, the little girl and the
woman they wanted to be crossed over, and the one younger male, one
younger male. And so that's whatwe ended up doing that night, was
we crossed those three over and thenwe had one that was harassing them that
was like a type two kind ofHounrey butt head spirit. What goes into
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helping them pass on? What doyou guys do? Oh, my gosh,
something very hard to explain actually,right, So our other teammate,
a Lisa, is the one thatis able to do this on a consistent
basis. Essentially, what it is, it's it's it's like opening the opening
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the light again, opening the doorwayto the other side. There's a theory
that says, you know, afteryou've passed on the way across the way
to cross over and to go intothe other side essentially is a limited window.
And so if you miss your window, then you're stuck until someone can
help you out. Okay. Andso these spirits actually found us and seek
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us out for this purpose in itself. Yeah. Interesting. So it would
Alisa kind of consider herself to besort of a medium, as it were.
Um, yeah, I think so. I don't think she's ever used
that terminology, but more sensitive,Um, Most of the people that have
met who are very sensitive, atleast that have been on our team,
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have never considered themselves mediums, right, don't necessarily use that word to describe
themselves. Yeah, yeah, becausein reality, all a medium technically is
someone who can speak to spirits.Yeah, and uh, with a nice
pair of dowsing rods, I cando the same thing. Yeah, there
you go. Just it just remindedme of a girl that usually investigates with
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the YouTuber Salmon Colby, and shecalls herself a medium, And everything you
were describing about Alisa reminded me ofher. Yeah, and that's I would
say that's probably the accurate definition ifyou wanted to put on it. Is
there a location that you would considerbe on your bucket list that you guys
haven't had a chance to investigate yet? Oh about sixty of them, actually,
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at least all of them. Whatwould you say, is at the
top of it? Oh, man, um us or abroad anywhere? Lets
anywhere? Yeah, unless you wantto categorize it. Well, if if
we're going to stay in abroad,I'd say left Castle in Ireland awesome,
that one's pretty high on my list, or any castle in in Europe.
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To be honest, I got marriedin a Hawnks castle in Ireland. It
was literally fifteen minutes away from LepCastle, but yep, we were going
to take photos there but we didn'tend up ran out a time. But
my husband was like, you wouldhave us getting married in a haunted castle.
I was like, hey, Ididn't know what's haunted before we got
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here. I know now, butit's fine. Well. You know that's
interesting though, because if you considera place that haunted, that has ghosts
in it, then pretty much everybuilding, every house, every place has
just haunted. Yeah, every everyone'shome has at least one ghost in it.
Yeah, whether it's brand new builtor been there for a hundred years,
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or at least one spirit in there. Yeah, because the land has
been here forever. Yeah, thebuilding maybe not. But some of them
come with us. Yeah. Iwas gonna say, or you draw them
in, bring them home with you. It's fine. What about you,
Well, i'd say sucket listwise,I'm gonna have to go with Gettysburg for
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sure. Nice. I would absolutelylove. I would love to investigate it
in the day and in the night. I wonder what, I wonder what
the difference between the things you wouldget would be that would be interesting to
see. Yeah, yeah, Ihear that during the day you get I
mean, I don't know if you'veever gone on like YouTube and stuff and
looked at the you know, paranormalfootage of Gettysburg during the day, but
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there's a lot and it's some ofthe best footage I think I've seen,
and it's just I think a lotof it is actually residual though. I
just think it's imprinted on the environmentbecause you figure they were you know,
they were at war and there's thosehigh emotions of like fear and you know,
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all these things, and I justthink that imprints on the environment and
it plays over and over. Msure, so much energy. There is
there a protocol or a ritual thatyou do when you're done investigating, like
for instance, you know, weuse use a Weiji board. You have
to say goodbye to close the session. Is there something that you guys do
before you leave a location? Um? Yeah, we pray every time,
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Okay, So we pray for protection, pray for peace, um. And
we also pray to keep the spiritswhere they were, and then we also
tell the spirits that they're not allowedto follow us home, and they have
to stay there and doing so.We actually have not had any spirits track
us back. No. Yeah,I've seen a lot of like the investigators
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that primarily do their stuff on YouTubetend to like close up their stuff the
same exact way of like you arenot welcome to come with us, thank
you for speaking with us exactly.Yeah, it ends here. Yeah.
And then the other thing is isjust don't ever take anything from a hundred
location. Oh god, no rocks, yeah no, no lead paint on
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accident on accident. Yeah, you'reliterally taking its hand and walking it with
you. Yeah. Yeah, thathappened after our first Waverly investigation. We
got back to our hotel room wewere packing up the next the next day
or the day later that night toleave, and I'm like, oh,
we got lead paint in here fromthe walls, from the walls from like
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like I would just leave this herein the hotel. Now you've wanted the
hotel, have you gone back tocheck so, like, what kind of
equipment do you guys normally use oris there any that you find like more
reliable than anything else or anything likethat, or your favorite equipment to use
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well, I think our favorite equipmentto use as dowsing rods. Most spirits
know what they are, they've seenthem, especially the older ones. Right,
that's something that was very common intheir practice, like fine water and
everything else. And then they don'ttake a lot of energy for them to
manipulate, So it's nice to communicatethat way. Plus it's you know,
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this instant gratification right right, crosshim for yes, push him apart for
now, And by doing so youcan actually you know, have a conversation
real time and not to worry aboutreviewing anything, which makes it nice.
Nice. Yeah, you know,we've got all manner of stuff. We
have a K two, we've gota mail meter. We've got like a
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thing called a flux two, likefrom ghostop. Those use motion sensors to
set off a red light in agreen light and so you can do the
same thing, have a yes orno conversation with those. And then also
we've got you know, digital recordersand OUs an ovulus. Oh I'm jealous
of the ovulus. Yeah, weordered ours. It took like six months
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because they built it to order anduh huh. The guy that built ours
was Bill Chapel, and he buildsall the car equipments for ghost adventures.
Sounds familiar. That's cool. Yeah, that's super cool, But really what
works like it faeries on location.So one location, spirits will like really
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gravitate towards one piece of equipment andother times the next time you go to
place and nobody'll touch it. Yeah, well that's nice to know. Well,
because then you have like a wholebig bag of tricks. Because it's
like you keep using the same thingover and over again, you might not
necessarily get what that ghost wants tocommunicate with that day. Yeah, that's
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like like I'd love to talk toyou, but you don't have the right
stuff. If only you've had thedowsing rods today, I don't feel like
talking to a spirit. I woulddo that as a ghost if I if
I was an intelligent haunting, that'snot a residual haunting. If I were
to be an intelligent haunting, Iprobably just like you know, mess people
that's fine. Oh yeah no nottoday, maybe maybe another one like just
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move one rod, yeah and likejust like it around, Like I understand
the rules, but I don't careye exactly chaos that would be me.
What do you think about the reliabilityof like smartphone apps, like I've seen
sols apps, I've seen the sparebox apps, and I've seen some investigators
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say that they're not really reliable,but then I see other investigators use them
and say that there's no problem withthem. What do you guys think?
Would you like my software engineer mindor would you like my investigator mind on
this one? Both? First ofone and the other. Right, let's
start with the investigator mind, andthen we'll do the software engineering mind,
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okay, us the investigator. Idon't put much stock in them. I
really don't. There's one out therethat I have heard people use a lot,
which is called necrophonic. I've heardof them. Yeah, some people
swear by it and they've gotten greatstuff off of it. Other people have
gotten nothing, So I don't know. The thing is is it's a data
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bank of words, and so it'sgoing to spit out what it wants as
it does. So a lot oftimes it spits out all the evil words
a lot. Yeah, the onesthat I'll get a rise out of,
you demon, hell, devil,diet, yep, exactly. So.
The one, though, I thinkthat I actually like the most though,
is called echobox, and I don'tknow if they still make it anymore.
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And all that really is is alive EVP thing, So you would you
ask a question, right, andthen the microphone is hot and it'll record
for like ten or fifteen seconds andthen I'll play it back to you.
That's nice, and that's all that'sthe whole point of the app. Yeah,
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that's really interesting instead of having tolike physically go back, rewind do
the thing. Yeah, so likethose things, I think those are pretty
neat. And then there's another oneout there. It's not really a ghost
investigation app per se. It's justa monkey or a high tech audio recording
one where you can change like theplayback speeds. You can reverse the playback
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so you can go you can playbackand reverse or change the loudness and stuff
like that. And I think thatone, maybe that one makes sense because
it's just not it's not actually,you know, manipulating anything. It's just
this is the words that are comingout. So sometimes EVPs do come in
backwards. They do, that's true. I was just gonna say, have
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you guys gotten that's interesting? Yeah? Once really, yeah, we've gotten
one backwards EVP. Oh and Ican't even remember what it said. I
was gonna say, what did itsay? And I found it out by
Actually that's crazy. How does thathappen? Well, I mean that's a
good question, Like one, wedon't even know how EVPs actually occur,
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that's true. And so how dothey speak backwards? I have no idea
because it's a non human Yeah,maybe it could be. I mean,
it's it's funny though. I foundit out because those was listening. I
was like, oh, there's athere's a voice here, there's there's words
there, and then I drug mycursor backwards and it'll play, you know,
it'll play as it goes backwards,right, And I was like,
(40:09):
oh, wait, I can makeout what it's saying. They pulling it
back, So it's crazy. Yeah, something to keep in mind. So,
like, how do you guys goabout getting approval to investigate the places
that you go to? Well,we ask that makes sense email all of
(40:30):
it. Is it hard to getthe approval or are people usually pretty open
to letting you do that. It'skind of a mix, Okay, it's
just because like you have those peoplelike here in Utah, there's a lot
of paranormal groups here, and there'sa lot of paranormal groups here that do
public investigations. And what ends uphappening is sometimes like these groups will come
(40:54):
in and they'll have a bad likepublic investigation, or they will do something
that the owners aren't happy with,and once that happens, they'll just say
no more, We're done. Andat least six places that I'm aware of
have stopped allowing investigators to come through. No matter how nice you ask,
(41:15):
however much money you offer them,they're just like, no, we're not
We're not ever having this to happenagain. No, man, it makes
sense to it, like you can'teven blame them, but that's that's a
bummer. Yeah. Yeah. Andsome of it too, is people will
go in and they'll do during theirinvestigations, they'll start doing rituals. Yeah.
And while there are those who don'tmind the rituals, right, Utah's
(41:40):
a very religious state, right,and those things don't bode well for most
of the population here. Yeah,makes sense. Yeah, a lot of
times it just really when we callthem and talk to them, it's really
just saying, hey, look,you know, this is who we are
and this is what we like todo. Um, you know, would
(42:00):
you be okay with us coming inand you know, take a look around,
And a lot of places are prettyopen to it, yes, um,
but you do have those who arelike, no, absolutely not.
Yea, we don't believe in it. We're terrified of it, right,
we don't want to I don't wantit. Yeah, exactly do you present
the evidence? You get to theowners of the places only if they ask
(42:24):
okay. So a lot of theplaces we've gone and investigated, they're used
to having investigators come through, andso they're like, hey, you know
what if you put it up onYouTube, just let us know and then
we'll take a look. Wils themdon't care like we We've only ever done
one home investigation with a homeowner present, and then we didn't need to actually
(42:46):
give any evidence review for that one. We had all of the information we
needed from during the investigation. NA lot of fun. Is there an
unlikely source in your not paranormal investigatorlife, like your day jobs or anything
that you had to surprisingly draw fromto help you during an investigation, like
(43:07):
say your software engineering background, Likehas that helped in your investigations? Trying
to think, I'm trying to thinkif it's ever helped if any of it's
come into play before. Right now, I think I think we pretty much
separate the two so much that it'snever they've never crossed. No, okay,
well, actually no, there's there'sbeen a couple of cases where like
(43:30):
before I was a software engineer,I did actual um environm multip appliance testing
for gas stations and understanding like electricityand pipelines and stuff like that. And
there's a couple of times we've usedthat type of knowledge, being able to
track where pipes are going and whereelectricity is going, just to help rule
out you know, emf spikes andright coming from Yeah, yeah, see,
(43:55):
I like that kind of that kindof tie in though, where it's
like you wouldn't necessarily think of thatunless you had that knowledge prior to go.
Again, one day we'll actually getan investigate a computer center and then
it'll be a lot nicswer. You'llhave your own Billy and Jay and they'll
be out in the truck that adventures. That'd be perfect working on that.
(44:22):
Yeah, that just reminds me sohere in Vegas, Zach has his paranormal
museum. Yes, would you guysever go or try to investigate there or
anything. I would go, Iwouldn't investigate. He does allow it.
They do allow these little investigations tohappen there. They're expensive and restrictive and
(44:42):
very restrictive, So I wouldn't.I mean, i'd go see it,
Like I think we all like oddities. I mean, really, Zach Baggan's
museum is really nothing different than Barnumand Bailey's freak shows because we actually went
in January. Did we go inJanuary of this year? Think? So?
(45:06):
Yeah? There literally was like afreak show performer in the middle of
one of the rooms, just likeout of nowhere. Yeah. You just
walk into this room and there's thisguy that puts a drill up his nose.
So yep, okay, very bizarrebecause you wanted to show you how
the bottoms worked. That wasn't evenwhy. I don't know, he just
(45:28):
does some tricks. I seriously thoughtthat he was going to do that.
I'm like, are you gonna tellus about the bottoms? Oh no,
you're putting that in your own noseoff, And then that's just how it
is, okay. And then there'slike this small, teeny tiny space where
you go in and look through ahole in a wall. I forget what
the significance of the room we werelooking into was, but there's a whole
story demon that supposedly resides over there. And I'm like, Okay, I
(45:52):
didn't do anything. I didn't seeanything, but it's just dirt. But
it is interesting. I would itwas definitely worth going there. Are there
are some like cool like knick knacks, memorabilia and stuff in there, so
it is it is definitely worth goingto check out. But Jen did feel
(46:12):
some things and we did experience somethings, And yeah, do you have
any advice for us amateur paranormal investigatorsfor our upcoming investigation? Yeah, of
course, I think the Wow,there's a couple there's a couple of things
besides not provoking. Of course,relax and have fun. And remember when
(46:35):
you're doing an EVP session, thenyou are talking to someone who used to
be alive, and so ask themquestions as if you're trying to actually get
to know that person. Because alot of these places, I mean,
I mean, if you think aboutit, right, it's like if you're
sitting in your home and then everyweekend, right, because most of these
places have paranormal investigations every weekend,Right, you get the same questions asked.
(46:58):
Show yourself, right, make anoise for me? How did you
die? Turn on the light?Yeah exactly, you're like some stuff worring
my own house, dang it,And so I mean think of it that
way, right, You're just talkingto a person, and so ask them
questions that you would want to know, you know, so we'll like if
(47:21):
you asked questions like what was yourfavorite food? You know, is there
something that you miss playing with ormiss doing? You know, we've been
asked like, you know, ifyou've ever had pizza, and if you
have, what's your favorite topping?Well, those pineapples pizza exactly exactly,
and get into an argument with aghost. And it sounds weird, right,
(47:43):
No, but it also makes sensefrom the perspective of what you said
of like people entering your home andyeah, exactly, Like definitely that's true.
Yeah, you know, and itdoes feel weird when you're doing your
first very you know, your veryfirst EVP session. Yeah, talking to
there because they're feel like you're talkingto the air, So you know,
(48:04):
don't feel embarrassed. Everyone feels uncomfortablethe first time they do it, or
the first few times they do itreally and it's like everyone's going to feel
that way, right, So insteadof like sitting back and and being the
person that's, you know, afraidof looking silly, just embrace it and
just before No, that's good advice. So we have very just basic equipment.
(48:29):
We have a K two meter,We have a digital recorder, and
we have a couple of cameras andwe're going to get a spirit box before
our next investigation. Is there anyother piece of equipment that you think we
should have as like in our basickit, I would find out if you
guys can use dowsing rods. Okay, and use those? Those are my
go too? Dows gonna say.If they don't say dowsing rods, I'll
(48:51):
be surprised exactly why over any sortof electronic equipment any day. That's very
true. She does like you wantthis, I want my rods flight I'm
good. Oh yeah, I heardin one of your investigations you guys have
like black lights and stuff. We'regoing to be in a hotel room them.
So I have no interest in bringingone of those. But um,
(49:15):
but it was it did make alot more sense with the dowsing rods about
like it transcends time and it takeslike no real energy for them. Even
if we were we we had theidea of doing like the flashlights, of
having those very loosely on so thatthey can like manipulate them on and off.
Again, it's very cheap, butlike that, it makes more sense
to use dowsing rods because of howlittle energy goes into manipulating them. Yea,
(49:39):
and the flashlight thing is a littleflawed, that's true. If you've
got from it, you move.Yeah, well it's not just that,
but there's a lot of thermo dynamicsthat happen heating and cooling. The heating
and cooling of the element, andso that will actually change the contact and
make it turn off and on.Oh that's really interesting to know. Like
with heat, things expand I wantthe coolness they retract, and so they
(50:00):
will actually do that. And soyou have to if you're going to do
a flashlight session, then the responseshave to be they have to make sense,
and they have to be consistent,right, like turn the light on
now, well in three two one, you're right, or use two of
them. So you use two ofthem, and so the one on the
(50:22):
left is yes and the one onthe right is no, and then you
can have them manipulate two of themand then that makes more sense because that's
the same concept as using a dowsingrock. Right, that's true. That's
good. It's a little more complex, and we've only ever had luck once
with a flashlight and so it's like, yeah, we just used dowsing rods.
(50:45):
They're way they're way easier. Yeah. Okay, UM, I think
that does it for for our questions. Is there anything you want to plug
your your podcast or YouTube, yourbusiness website. I wish we had a
website. Sua one day, oneday, I'll get one. I'll get
(51:07):
one. Put up. Um.No. But we do have a podcast
and it's called Paranormal Peeps Podcast andthis is where you can find us.
Every other week we put out anew episode. It's fantastic. If you
all enjoyed listening to the things theyhad to say here, you will enjoy
listening to their podcast. We assureyou. Oh thank you. Um.
(51:30):
For social media, you can findus on Twitter at CPR Paranormal and also
on Facebook at Paranormal Piece podcast,as well as CPR which is cold Spot
Paranormal Research. We have an Instagrampage two which is cold Spot Underscore Paranormal
Underscore Research. Awesome, pretty cool. All right, well, we thank
you both for joining us. Oh, you're welcome. It was it was
(51:52):
fun. It's our pleasure. Thankyou very for having us. Yeah,
we enjoyed that and we will catchyou all in the next tour. See al
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