Lukas Nelson

Today’s guest is soulful and compelling singer, songwriter and musician, Lukas Nelson. He is the frontman of Lukas Nelson and Promise of the Real, who have released several albums and regularly back the legendary Neil Young. Norah and Lukas perform beautiful songs from across his catalog (including a song he wrote when he was 10 years old), you’ll learn all about his distinct and important role as producer/songwriter for the film, A Star Is Born, and about the childhood he spent on his dad’s tour bus. Listen in to find out what his dream was before music! Recorded on 10/18/2021.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, I'm Nora Jones and today I'm playing along with
Lucas Nelson.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm just playing long with you. I'm just playing in
lone with you.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Welcome to the show. I'm Nora, and with me as
always is Sarah Oda.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
Hello.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Today, our guest is Lucas Nelson. Incredible Nelson, incredible musician, songwriter,
all around human.

Speaker 5 (00:32):
Seriously, he's like as genuine as they come. He's the
frontman of Lucas Nelson and Promise of the Real, who
have released several albums. But they have also backed the
legendary Neil Young, which is one of the times that
we saw him.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Oh, we saw that tour. It was amazing, Yes, them
playing with Neil.

Speaker 5 (00:49):
It was great when Puss and Boots opened for them,
and I think that was twenty fifteen.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Oh yeah, I opened for him on last tour. That
was so fun. That was the first time I played
drums on stage. Was opening for Neil Young, which is silly, insane.
Promise of the Real was also the band in A
Star Is Born that backed up Bradley Cooper's character.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
Yeah, he was hired as the like authenticity consultant. Yeah,
which love that title.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
It's a fun title, and it's also a great thing
to have on a music film because usually they do
not seem authentic. No, this one really did, and it
was so great.

Speaker 5 (01:28):
I agree. That's why. You know, it's hard to remake
a movie and have it be as good as the original,
but I feel like they kind of nailed it.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
It was its own thing. Yeah, Yeah, it was beautiful.
I first met Lucas in two thousand and three when
he was a young man running around the aisles at
the Ryman Theater in Nashville, and I was there to
play for his dad's seventieth birthday.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
His dad, Willie Nelson.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah, so that's you know, it goes way back. It's
really sweet to see him grow and become amazing musician,
you know.

Speaker 5 (02:02):
Yeah, and you'll hear all about that, some stories of
heartache and a song he wrote when he was ten
years old.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Oh that song is so cute. That song is so beautiful.
We had some really fun moments in this episode that
it didn't expect, and we had a lot of fun
playing together. I've played with him maybe here or there,
but not like this. Maybe we were in a chorus
of some all you know, like tribute show or something,
but never this intimate. Yeah, so this was really fun

(02:34):
to finally play together and felt so like family.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
Yeah, he's a true sweetheart.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
I hope you enjoy the show today with Lucas Nelson.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
I want two, three four.

Speaker 6 (03:00):
Your head is spinning and you don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Your heart is heavy.

Speaker 7 (03:07):
You can't see the sky. I know you love me,
but you still kind of need a mystery, and I
can't switch to any speed you need.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Just say the word and I will slow.

Speaker 7 (03:31):
My feet and let me tell you I can ease
aly be a mystery. I was working on you over
time just to show you I could stay in line

(03:55):
with all you need, but I can always.

Speaker 8 (04:02):
Be a mystery.

Speaker 7 (04:19):
I'm gonna trust that sparkle in your eyes, and I
won't listen to the darkness in my mind. The only
thing I'll ever need.

Speaker 6 (04:34):
From you is honesty.

Speaker 7 (04:42):
So let me take you too, love so free. It's
something beautiful you really gotta see.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Then maybe someday we all.

Speaker 6 (04:58):
Need a mystery.

Speaker 7 (05:06):
I was working on you all the time just to
show you I could stay in line all you need,
but I can always.

Speaker 9 (05:23):
Be your mystery.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
I was working on you over time.

Speaker 7 (06:20):
Just to sure you that I could stay in life
all you need, but I can always see.

Speaker 10 (06:35):
A mystery, a mystery perfect.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
That was great, Pretty, that was pretty. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
I love that song.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
I wrote that when I was seventeen. Really yeah, I
was a lot of these songs that I released with
a label I had also written.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
A long time before, and you wanted to give them
another chance to sort of shine exactly. Wow, I didn't
know that.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Yeah, like find yourself I wrote when I was really young.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
And really yeah, how young?

Speaker 4 (07:32):
Oh, nineteen twenty, you know, young, but mystery. I was, yeah,
around eighteen seventeen or eighteen, and it was this my
longtime girlfriend of eight years. I had just met her,

(07:52):
and there's a lot of you know, push and pull
in the beginning.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Oh yeah, yeah, eighteen, that sounds about right.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
Oh, but I was such I had come from Maui
and just living with full on earth people. Oh yeah,
you know, and like heart on my sleeve didn't have
you know. I went to LA and I was like
overwhelmed with so much different, so many different energies flying

(08:20):
at me all over and different types of you know,
environments to like parties and weirdness and that I'm sure
you know, college, and you know, and luckily I met
some of the great people that are still in my life,
but but.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
There was a lot of others.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
There was a lot of distraction. Yeah, I've craziness. And
so when I got there and I was like, uh
and it was the first time I'd fallen in love
and so like that, and so I got really really
in love and we were together a long time. But
I scared the ship out of her at first, because
you were because I was like full on, like you know, like, oh,

(08:56):
you know, I'll wait outside your window, you know.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Like the best intention totally.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
I was like, that's what you're supposed to do when
you're in love, you know. I forgot that, Like no,
you know, you know, like in the sense that you know,
you shouldn't you shouldn't persist if somebody like as soon
as I let her go is when we started dating.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Normally.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Yeah, no, because I guess, like I was eventually she
was like Luca. She was older, so she was like
twenty five and I was just a kid, and I
was in college still and you know, not even able
to go to the bars. She was able to go too.
And so as soon as I became a mystery. I
was like, you know, I was like, you know what,
I'm just gonna quit college and go on the road.

(09:41):
And that's what I did. And we were together for
eight years after that, after after I disappeared, backed away,
came back, you know.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
And the true though, there's just something about that.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Well, and it wasn't that I was playing a game.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
You're just like, Okay, I was.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
Just letting it go for real.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
It only works when it's real.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, Like, no, games don't work.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
No, games don't work. It's only when you're actually okay
with yourself alone that somebody, I think can then you
can really like connect with someone else.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah. It's interesting is that the first.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Time you experienced it, it was the first time.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Okay with yourself alone because you had been with your family.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
I'd been with my family my whole time. I had
probably abandonment stuff going on, like I wanted, you know,
I probably projected a lot of my own missing that
sense of home under her. So when I felt that
with her.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
It was left.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Yeah, because I had left home, I had left the nest.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
And so to speak, and I needed something to hold
on to.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah, definitely, And so that was a lot I wrote
albums of material for her.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Alone, and have you since used it all? Because there's
some good stuff in there, yeah, and distributed it sort of.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
Like yeah, I mean there's there's art. I have hundreds
of songs from old stuff that I will really again, yeah,
and just put out because I think sometimes I feel
like I was not necessarily better writer then then, but
able to reach a place that's so pure and vulnerable
that like, I don't think I could go there without

(11:14):
rebreaking my heart. Wow, you know what I mean, And
it would do you know, it would be really tough
to do that on purpose. You kind of have to
let life do it.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
You're older, so you could never probably get your heart
broken in quite down the same way, right Yeah, Oh god,
now you're bringing me back. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, Well, I mean it's and I'm lucky. I feel
like that I had that the the tools to express it,
to channel it, you know, songwriting being that tool for me, yeah,
and of course for you too, yeah, you know. And
and and to be able to to document that time
period for my soul, yeah, you know, where like it

(11:54):
was almost like I could snap a picture of it
at that time, and when I go back, I could
remember who I was back then and and never lose it.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
That's a pretty great way, I know what you mean.
I like that about music. It's a snapshot of where
you are at that moment in time.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
It's your soul right then.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Yeah, if you're honest, if you're writing for if you're
writing soul music, you know, if you're writing music about life,
and yeah, real.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Things, and most people are. But some people, well you know,
a lot more gloss over it.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Well, and the intention for some is to sell records
over you know what I mean. Like a lot of
times people will sit down, like, let's write a hit.

Speaker 10 (12:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
I've heard of those, Yes, I've heard of those sessions,
which is great and fun.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Actually, I remember reading a snippet about Prince how Prince
had told I think Madonna or someone else, he said,
why don't you sit and try and write a song.
You've already written your soul out, you know, why don't
you try and write a song and just write a hit?
See how it's out?

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Really? Yeah, And so would she write.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
She probably wrote a huge, you know hit.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
You know that's good advice.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yeah, I mean it is. I mean it's sort of
like if you can do both you're well rounded, so
to speak. You know, if you know how to write
from the heart and then also know how to make
that into a sort of fun, relatable song. Yeah, and
you're in a good place because sometimes I'd write songs
back then with no intention of it being any type

(13:30):
of hit. It was just like, I mean, sometimes they
were ten minutes long. You know, it's not Yeah, of
course it's just poetry at that point.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, you do you write poetry also, I do? You
write a lot of lyrics all the time, just sort
of free form.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
I write a lot of lyrics, but they're always sort
of I try and put them in rhythm.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
They're in some kind of there's some cadence.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yeah, some cadence. It's hard. Yeah, even when I would write,
like yeah, every time I would write a poem, it
was hard for me not have some sort of cadence
to it. Yeah, because there are some poetry. There is
some poetry that's I guess. So it's a cool sort
of free form it is, but I like.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
The rhythm of it. It's the funnest part for.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Me me too.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
When did you start doing that? Like, how old were
you young?

Speaker 4 (14:19):
I was ten, maybe nine or ten? I wrote a song. Actually,
I feel like you'd love this song. It's called you
Were It. It's my first song I ever wrote.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Play it, Come on pretty please?

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah. Sure.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
We were ten.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
I was ten and this was My dad actually heard
it after I wrote it, and he's like, wow, look
this is good, and he put it on his record
at the time. Wow, and his record this was two
thousand and whatever. It was like. It was called it
Always Will Be was the record. Yeah. Yeah, and this song,

(14:54):
see if I can remember it. You were it.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
The one bed, only one who understood it all.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
And when we fought.

Speaker 11 (15:19):
Our love, you'd be the one who made me feel
so small.

Speaker 6 (15:32):
You could kill, hurt.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
And bring out the world.

Speaker 7 (15:40):
In everyone you knew, but no one could.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
Bring the worst out of you.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
But I'm fine. All the pain is gone. I once
had a heart.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
Now I have a song.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
I love that. That is so your dad too, Like, yeah, like.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
That when I grew up listening to him.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
So check out of it. I bet.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Yeah, I once had a heart. Now I have a song.
And when Dad, when Dad heard that, he like liked
it a lot. He put it up there, and then
that made me feel like, Okay, maybe I had I
can write songs.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
It gave you like a boot.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
It gave me a boost of confidence.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, you were already playing guitar.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
Then, not really, I mean I was a little bit
enough to write it. And then at that point I
really started getting into the blues and like you know,
like old Blind Lemon Jefferson and you know, Willie Dixon
and and so then I really and then Steve Ray
Vaughn and Jimmy Hendrix came and blew my mind. I

(17:12):
was on a trip in San Francisco and I was
just starting a sneak little pot here and there. I
was like thirteen, and I started early.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, I wouldn't well, you know.

Speaker 12 (17:26):
It was.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
It wasn't exactly shunned in the family. It was by
my mother. Though my mom was very strict about it.
I'm sure she had to be, and she you know,
and did not want me to smoke, especially at that age,
which I completely get. And ironically now I barely smoke
at all.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
That's funny.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
Really, Yeah, that's because I meditate and I'm like already there.
And I found that when I smoke a lot on
the road, especially, I can't sing as well.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Oh yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
Yeah, And I would go on tours that were long,
and I'd go on these tours that were really long,
and then about three weeks into it, I'd be like,
I get some allergy or some sickness, and where I'd
get like I'd always lose my voice. Oh really, you know,
I wouldn't lose it to the point where I couldn't sing.
But first thing that goes is my falsetto and that's like,

(18:17):
but I can't do that?

Speaker 1 (18:18):
What you do?

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Yeah? And I get really into that, especially live so
and so I just was like, why would I do
this to myself. I didn't put it together that it
was the weed that was doing it for a really
long time. Yeah, so I can't drink and I can't
smoke when I'm on the road.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
It's like, I mean, you're really kind of an athlete,
and I treat it that way. It's great that you do. Yeah, yeah,
it'll last longer.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
I didn't learn that in the beginning because I always
played and sang so quietly. It wasn't quite as much
of an exertion for me. But I learned early on
that I couldn't go to bars and just talk people's
heads off. Yeah, because I would get horse.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Yeah, and it does do that. Even just a little
alcohol for me gets me like it drives me out.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
It drives you out, that's the big thing.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
And then I always feel it, and so I just
I just figured it's not worth it. It's so much,
so much more rewarding to have a great show and
to know that you've hitten, that you hit the notes
and you can just have the range and all of that.
May And I don't do a lot of warm ups
or anything.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
You don't ever.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
I mean I do sometimes, but I first of all,
I don't like to have a routine before the show
other than drinking a little tea, because I don't like
sometimes things are so throwing go that I don't like
to be beholden to the routine before. I don't like
because if I miss it, you know, I get in
my head.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
You don't want to get in your head about it, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
Because then I'll be, oh, I miss my routine today,
and I'll be thinking about that the whole show, and
it'll affect me.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
I know what you mean. I started warming up, but
not till I was like in my late thirties.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
So he played with Neil Yea. He warms up half
an hour before the show every show.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
I think as you get older, you kind of have
it kind of you need to more.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
Yeah, well I've definitely got more of a routine than
I used to. Yeah, because we used to do some
sometimes two three shows a day, you know what I mean,
Like we do an interview in the morning where they
require you to do a show, and then like we'd
do the festival slot and then we'd go play a
bar that night, you know, and then it was like
it's a lot. Yeah, so eventually, yeah, it's a lot.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
It's a lot.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
It was a lot, but yeah, yeah, with Neil, I
started doing the So when I think about it, I
do it.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, but you don't do it every time.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
But I don't do it every time, not on my own.
Only when we're playing as Neil's band do we do that.
But I do like to connect with the group before
every time.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
That's also something that is nice, yes, yeah, yeah, because
that that helps us, you know, especially vocally.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
You know what, even now that I think about it,
I might start asking the guys to warm up vocally
with me.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
You could learn a hymn and do like.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
That's a great idea. I was just thinking about that
because I was listening to Peace in the Valley, Yeah, which,
if you haven't heard Sam Cook and the Soul Story,
I have heard that.

Speaker 7 (21:18):
Actually, Yeah, I think there will be peace in the
Lily for me.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
Wh Yeah yeah, Oh my goodness, and that whole Soulstirs records.
Oh my god, I could put that on in the
morning and I'll have the most beautiful day.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
I love Elvis's version too.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Yeah, well he's more. Oh So did you.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Grow up mostly Maui or just kind of split between
Texas and both both?

Speaker 4 (21:56):
Right, Yeah, but mostly Maui because my schooling was mostly
done there, so I can consider Maui. And now I
got a place of my own there in Maui, so
I go there and that's where I rest.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
But for the last what ten years or more, you've
lived on the road pretty much? Yeah, more than.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Ten, I would say, more like twelve or thirteen. Okay, Yeah,
I started really when I broke up when we with
my girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
The first time, the one okay, yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
Before before we got together for the long haul. Yeah,
this was I was nineteen and I was at LMU
Loyal and Marymount University, So I was going to school
in LA and then when we broke up, or when
it was almost like I couldn't get I couldn't get her,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
And so when you decided, I decided to let it go.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
Then I also let my academics go and just said,
you know what, the only thing that's going to make
my heart happy is to take these songs that I've
written and go play them.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Did you have any doubt that that's what you were
going to do?

Speaker 3 (23:02):
No?

Speaker 4 (23:02):
I didn't know when though, Oh.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Got you, you know, trying to check off the boxes
and go to college.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
And my mom was really strongly yeah for me going
to school.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah I get that.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah. Yeah, so you know, and you know there's something
for everybody there, you know. And maybe if it was
a different school. I loved lm U. But I mean,
like there may have been it may have captured me
differently if I went to you know, I mean, I
love like mathematics and physics, and like if I'd have

(23:38):
gotten caught up and like, you know, trying to design
some you know, quantum computer, I mean I might have
been into it, yeah yeah, but I was just more
with the music, and I went for music.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
It went for music there.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
I was an English major and then music.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Minor, trying to get the writing in.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
And how long did you actually go?

Speaker 4 (24:02):
Two years?

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Okay, that's about right. That's how long I went to college,
is it?

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (24:07):
I studied music. I mean I studied jazz, so right,
that was enough?

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Right?

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah? Didn't then I kind of quit playing jazz.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Did you grow up learning like and because your father's
a musician too.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yes. I grew up with my mom in Texas. I
did not learn much about his music until I was
an adult.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
But I learned piano and theory, and I was really
on the choir, church choir, school choir.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Did you go to church?

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Everything I did when I was young, like till I
was about fifth or sixth grade and I learned to
sing in church choir. Yeah, did you go to church?

Speaker 4 (24:51):
I was interestingly? Yes, and some Well my dad is
like he's like spiritual and grew up Christian, so loves
gospel music and loves gospel music. We just did a record,
you know, we just did a gospel sort of record together.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yeah, he's really into gospel, and so am I, by
the way, just because it makes me feel.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
I feel like, in the last three years or five years,
I've written more gospel songs of my own than beautiful
And I'm like, where does that come from? I don't know.
I guess it's in there, you know. Yeah, it's me
from hoping and.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Yeah, and connecting to the grand orchestration of the universe.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Well, and like every time I see you, we talk
about meditation. We do, and I love that. And you're
always telling me, like cool podcast to listen to because
I'm like, help me, let me meditate more. No, yeah,
but that has something to do with it all this.
It does grand spirituality and as you get older, it's

(25:55):
just so funny.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Well, I think, did you ever read Kurt Vonnegut's books?

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (26:00):
Do you know? Do you know like Cat's Cradle? Did
you read Cat's Cradle? I think, I think his whole religion,
I think it's bocon. It's like he cre made up
a religion that basically says, this religion is bullshit. It's
but this is the religion. And they they they it's brilliant.
It's actually a brilliant sort of study in his own

(26:25):
way of religion. And and it was banned by a
lot because of that whole. But a concept that I
love from from those books, and that kind of the
thread goes in a lot of his books is that
is of the Kirass, which is basically a cluster of
souls that in throughout eternity sort of every time they

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manifest energetically in the material world, they find each other.
Oh yeah, and like you know, for whatever reason, and
these people are meant to come into each other's lives
and find each other.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
And then you know, I've heard that through other Yeah,
it's called many different things.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
It's called many soulmates or whatever. Yes, absolutely, yeah, I
kind of think so.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yes, I've had a couple of run ins that I
was like whoa, yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
You yeah, and you just feel like, oh you feel
like home, like you could just like sit for hours
and have tea and not feel the need to put
your guard up or yeah, you know you feel well.
Especially when I know somebody meditates and two I can
tell that they can get to a place that is

(27:41):
that is sort of unifying. Yes, that we all that
I can recognize that light of of oneness in you
that you see in me, that we both have been
to that place and know that it's beyond the physical form,
it's beyond the manifestations of who we are, you know.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, I mean I wish I had discovered it in
my early twenties. It would have been so helpful for me.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
Well, the thing is you probably I feel that you
knew everybody kind of has that in them, and that's
why they gravitate towards certain things and away from others.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, well, music is and music brings you there, it does.
But when did you start actually meditating? Not too long ago, Okay,
so it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
I met Bob Roth through a friend, and he's the
guy from the TM.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, the David Lynch Foundation.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
David Lynch Foundation, and he lives out here in New York,
I think. And I would always sort of do yoga
or do like certain things here and there, but I
never had a practice.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah. I had trouble doing meditations in yoga because I
would get too distracted. And it wasn't until I started
doing TM that I kind of got the permission to
let my mind would wander. But it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Necessarily good yeah, yeah, yeah, just letting it go. Yeah,
just but to know somebody can beat it in that place.
Is very comforting to be around them too, because you know, like, okay, yeah,
it's calming. It's calming. They're like, all right, you know,
this person's not like even if there's a lot going
on in their head, they know that there's a lot

(29:16):
going on in my head and that we both know
that it's all good.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, exactly, nobody's going to explode.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
No, Yeah, it's like there's a place you can go
to to just you know, let it go under the water.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Do you have a hard time? Like for me sometimes
that's when I get song ideas and then I have
to stop and write them down. So oh yes, yes,
but you're not mad at it, you know, and you're
supposed to stop him do that? Can we do find yourself?
Is that okay? Okay? Can we just talk about Stars

(29:51):
Born for a second?

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (29:54):
It was great. I mean, I you know, I'm not
I didn't go in with a lot of expectations, but
I also I wasn't. I was excited for it, and
I was blown away how authentic it felt. And then
later I was reading that you were actually the authenticity.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
That's what they hired me as.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
It's great because everybody has should have done that who
made a music movie and they don't get it.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Yeah, Bradley was very very.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
It was so smart, beautiful. Yeah, it was very authentic.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
He's a hard worker. And uh and you know, you
can tell he put a lot of time into singing.
We spent a lot of time. He really sounded good
and for someone who never really sang before, and you know,
and uh, and then he really got the mannerisms down.

(30:45):
And I was proud of the band. You know, we
we you know, we got to you know, it's nice
to hear my lick out there. Yeah, like I can't,
I can't. I can't tell you how crazy it feels
to like here, you know. And then like, you know,

(31:07):
I turned I made that from a Claptain. I took
that from like because we were looking for an intro
for Shallow and she was asking me, so, how do
you want to you know, how should we do this?
And I said, well, what about Because I was listening
to a lot of yeah, yeah, yeah, you know that
changed the world. Lick, which actually came came right out

(31:29):
on a time when I was listening to your record.
Your records may have what did them know? It wouldn't
have been it would have been earlier than that.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
I think it's earlier because I remember listening to that
stuff when I was in Texas.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Okay, so it was before your your your time, but
it was right to me all that times a blur anyway, Yeah,
I was like blur so then. But it's just so
cool to see the the that that you know that
they would think of taking a real band because Bradley

(32:01):
saw us with Neil and he was like, that's kind
of what I want for the band.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah, and how about you just take that exactly.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
So it was a really smart thing.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
It was beautiful and it was so well done, and
it just it was great. They captured all the real
stuff and the emotion. It was beautiful.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
They're really great. It was a really cool thing and
they really had a lot of chemistry and.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
They did Oh my god, I'm so sad. I couldn't
wait to watch it, but I I knew that I
couldn't get the time. I can't watch movies at home.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
It's just it's a long movie too.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
It's long, and you know, I'm already ready for bed
after the kids go to bed. But I had a flight.
I was like, I'm going to watch this on a plane,
blast of wine in hand. I cried my eyes. That
was great. It was a great plane cry.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yes, but I've seen it. I've seen a lot of
people watching it on planes too.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
That's always a trip to Oh like you're you're sitting
in the seat and you're like, oh wow.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, totally, that's a trip. No, it's great. And so
so Lady Guy is incredible.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
She's a voice.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
She's she has an incredible voice. And I knew that already,
and I've seen her, you know, over the years, and
I get it. I get that she can kind of
do anything and that she's incredible. She's a great piano
player too.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
She really is classically trained.

Speaker 5 (33:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
I saw her do something once and she was like
I was like, hey, yeah, I like that, I do that. No,
but she sounds so good on this song. And I
didn't realize it was her first Find Yourself. I think
I texted you. I was like, whoa, this is great.

Speaker 6 (33:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
I thought it was Bonnie Rape for a second. So
a lot of people on this she sounds a little
like Bonnie, but she still sounds like her. And once
I realized it with her, I was like, this is
totally her.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
Yeah, and it's so great. Oh it was. It was
very kind of her to sing on it. It was nice.
It was cool, and she's you know, she killed it.
She did another song with us too, called Carolina Oh Cool,
which is about the Carolinas, which I really love.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
That's nice.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
But yeah, let's yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah, you want to do it, I'll do my best,
Lady Gaga.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
All right.

Speaker 13 (34:10):
Four Well, I nor my sleep and alone.

Speaker 7 (34:49):
It means I don't have to play your freeze.

Speaker 6 (34:53):
It's a game.

Speaker 12 (34:54):
Normal.

Speaker 7 (35:00):
You're the most precious thing I've ever seen. But I
ain't gonna let its load your be me.

Speaker 14 (35:18):
I know love the desert. Hope you found yourself.

Speaker 11 (35:31):
Before somebody else to be my love.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
I hope you find yourself.

Speaker 15 (35:48):
Before somebody else to be my love. You tell me
things I want to hear, you want me hear, and
I know you fear me leave in you and you

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think that I won't send goodbye Phoebe.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
I standing by.

Speaker 16 (36:25):
I want to stretch the truth and.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
I know love that sir, you find yourself.

Speaker 11 (36:48):
Before somebody to be my love.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
I hope you find yourself.

Speaker 6 (37:05):
Me for that.

Speaker 11 (37:07):
Somebody else to be my love. I love love, I.

Speaker 12 (38:00):
Know I know, I know.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
Yeah, it's kind of like Benny and the Jets.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, I was trying to I was trying to do that,
and I'm like, what's happening. I can't do it. No,
it's good, that's great. That's a jam.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
That's a jam.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
I hope you can come to a show of ours.
I will because like we get down on that one,
you have to come do it with us, and then
and then we have the girls sing it, and then
we have the guys sing it, and then it's like
really fun.

Speaker 6 (38:50):
You know.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Well it's a great sentiment too.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, from the beginning times in your life.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
Totally right. Yes, that one was written about Georgia Okay,
the same girl I wrote Forget about Georgia.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
I love that song too. Thanks, Yeah, it was sorry.
You know, we could stay here and play like a whole.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
So it's like, I'm just I feel like I'm tickled
to death that you that you want to play these songs.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
It's awesome. It's awesome.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
Yeah, but this is I'm just having so much fun.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
I love that song.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
It's it's your story.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
I believe it.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
I'm just.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
Say I saw you opening for a dad A long
time ago.

Speaker 17 (39:44):
You know.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Well, I wanted to talk to you about that because
the first time I met your dad was in two
thousand and two and it was at the film More.
I was opening for him.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, and then I feel like the first time I
remember meeting you or seeing you was that year and
it was at his seventieth birthday party at the Ryman
at the Yeah, and you and Micah were running around
the aisles.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
Yeah, we must have been young. You were young.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yeah, and yeah, crazy to.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
Think seventieth, that would mean that was.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
In two thousand and two.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
Yeah, so I would have been let's see, I was it.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Was in two thousand and two, Okay, yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
I was eighty eight. Well I was born, so I know,
math come on fourteen years old.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Yeah, you were young. And I was like, oh cool
Willie's sons. Yeah yeah, and Annie, I met your mom
and it.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
Was Ray Charles there, I think he.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Was yes, and I was just like my record had
just come out. I was like the kind of unknown
one on the bill, and I was like a scared
little chicken, but I was, you know, thrilled to be there.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
The most beautiful, scared little chicken.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Scary little chicken, but I remember, yeah, my bass player
who was my boyfriend at the time, Lee Alexander, had
written a song called Lone Star that was on my
first album, and so we sang Lone Star with Willie,
which made sense for obvious reasons. R Ex's but yeah,
that star, that's right, I remember that. But I remember, yeah,

(41:25):
I remember you guys running around the aisles and yeah, just.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
Be like, oh cool, yeah, oh we we're clueless.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
I was wondering about that, Like, when you were growing up,
did you take guitar lessons ever? Did your mom ever
get your music lessons or you just kind of learned
by watching by doing.

Speaker 17 (41:42):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
I well, luckily by that time I had gotten the
spark the bite of music for whatever reason, but my
parents never forced it or begged me to do it.
In fact, fourteen I was I still think at that
time I had my dream was to be in the Olympics.
I was a swimmer, really a fast swimmer, oh wow.

(42:06):
And so at that time I think I placed in
the top ten in Hawaii and one of the races
that I got and I was like, all right, I'm
going to do this and this is my dream and
I'm going to I was watching the Olympics and I'm
going to be But when music took over, it seemed more.

(42:28):
I didn't like the competitiveness of swimming. It was just
too much of a like me against you thing.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Well that's like how else you just do it for
enjoyment or you compete basically, right, Yeah, yeah, I And
it was like two and a half hours after school
every day, and it's like, you know, so when music
started to creep in, I started to really find that, oh, well,
I can do this for the rest of my life
till I'm eighty eight or more, you know.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
Yeah, and if I keep myself healthy, then it just
seemed like a better.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Path, you know, ultimately, well more fun, more fun. Do
you still swim though? Do you like to stay in
hotels with pools?

Speaker 4 (43:13):
And No, I don't swim a lot when I'm on
the road actually at all.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
It's interesting.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
Yeah, I like to surf and swim when I'm home,
but no more. It's more like in the room I
get exercise. Sometimes I'll go for a run, but my
knees are having issues these days. A bike, I mean,
I'm actually in the process of getting a bike now
and I'm going to start because I like to explore. Two.

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When I'm in a.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
New place, Well, that's the best thing to do.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
Yeah, Like when we're in Boston, we had a great time.
Recently we went out and went biking along the Charles
River as a band and so fun.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Sometimes when you're on the road, it's just the best. Yeah.
Do you always travel by bus if you can?

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Yes, I don't like to fly.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
I don't like to fly, but I mean you're also
you come from a quite famous bus family, tour bus.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
I still have. We still have the bus that I
grew up on. Yeah, now I take out and then
we have another one too.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Now, you know, it's funny. Once I was introduced to
the tour bus. It also my record came out right
after nine to eleven, so flying was just not easy,
you know. And I was so in love with the
tour bus. And my dad, who you know, to also
played until he was well. He died at ninety two,

(44:40):
amazing and he was still playing. But his whole life
he had toured and flown a lot. But in his eighties.
I remember he came to see me once we were
on our tour bus showing him around and they're like, wow,
this is kind of a good idea, and he it
was like the first time he'd gotten a tour bus.
After that, Yes, wow, because it's so much easier.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
In some ways, it's like being on a private plane.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
I mean, not everybody do it, but like it's just
so much easier. So he did the tour bus thing
after that. I thought that was so sweet.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
It's luxury and my no, I mean, you know, I mean,
there's it's one thing. When we were first starting out,
you know, we went from van to r V and
then sort of graduated to the bus.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Well, yeah you're lucky if you get a bus.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Yeah, you're lucky. Yeah you get a bus. But I
mean Robbie was at that point of pretty well known
and an established musician.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Right, oh, absolutely, But I mean he would still do
you know one offs, It wasn't like the most economical
routing when you're, you know, in your eighties, you can't
just hit it five days in a row. But yeah, yeah, yeah,
it was kind of funny. That is funny they got
on the tour bus once.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
So how old was he when he got his first buss?

Speaker 1 (45:56):
I mean, I'm not saying I don't I don't know.
I got to ask my stomach. I don't know that
it was actually his first bus ever, but I kind
of feel like it might have been. I just think
they had a different way of doing it. They had
never you know.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
Well, and it's a lot more difficult overseas, Yeah, because
you know, you're you're, you're sort of like the whole
bus situation out there is kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Well, in Europe it's kind of nice.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
Yeah, Europe, you can go through you know, different countries
and everything.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Yeah, if you can go through, if.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
You can get through the customs and you know, but
it's it's more complicated. You have to get on ferries
to go across channels and do.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
You know, Oh yeah, I've been there.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Yeah, that's it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
My kids are five and seven. Yeah, and during the pandemic, like,
when are we going to go on tour again? I
missed the bus all bus kids, Yeah, Yeah, that was us, Yeah,
was it?

Speaker 4 (46:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Were you guys out of school a lot or more?
When you were young?

Speaker 4 (46:52):
We were out a lot. I mean it wasn't until
high school that I was like really solidly in school.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
We were pulled out quite a lot just to go
places here and there. And I'm grateful for that because
I liked, I mean, I appreciate that the education that
I got on the road.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
What's interesting is like I'm curious about what's best for them,
and yeah, yeah, it is nice to hear that.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
Yeah, No, I think that I would. I would. I
think the best way to learn and to especially to
appreciate other cultures, appreciate even other people in this country. Yeah,
you know, it is a vast country with many cultures.

(47:37):
It is a melting pot and and that's a beautiful
thing that I think needs to be seen and felt
an experience to appreciate for kid fully.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Yeah, it's special.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
Yeah, I mean you can read about it in a
book about you know, the sociology of the country and
the and the way that you know, you know, the
wealth disparities here and there and then you know, but
tell it you if you go through and you go
to you know, Arkansas, and you go to Alabama, and
you go to the South, and then you go to

(48:10):
the north and you go through the you know, the
hard hit areas of different towns, if you you know,
I remember, I remember when I was a kid going
after Katrina hit to New Orleans and to the ninth
Ward where they were rebuilding houses with an organization there,
and just to those kinds of experiences are to me

(48:33):
worth more than you know, all the schooling.

Speaker 12 (48:37):
In the world.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Yeah, well, especially now people are so desensitized with everything
coming at them all the time, so everything reads differently. Yes,
it does than it used to over the TV, you know.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Well, and it always does. And I always it's like
when the pandemic was going through going on and we
were doing all these concerts online. Yeah, and then now
that we're playing live again, you can really feel and
see the difference between a live show and that and

(49:11):
and I think that that hopefully kids and people are
starting to realize because they're like, well, I don't want
to see any more online concerts. I want to go
to real concerts. And then when they go to these
real concerts, they feel the difference between something that comes
to them on a screen and then something that comes
to them in real life. And I think that applies
to other experiences as well.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Absolutely, And you're also part of it. You're actually part
of the performance.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
The energies are singing along, eating, Yeah, you're feeding off
of people.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Who are dancing whatever.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
It is exactly. It's funny. We were in Philly last
night and there was all there was like a you know,
like really quiet moment, and then somebody was loud and
everybody was shushing them and you know, and it's like yeah,
and it was great. And then that person got pissed

(50:02):
and like threw a drink and then they and then
like left and this is all like I'm trying to play,
you know, and this is all. It was a great experience.
And then she left and then the audience started clapping
and cheering when she left, you know.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
And she went and cried in the bathroom.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
Well, no, she I think she left of her own accord.
Like she was just like huffing because they were telling
her to be quiet. And then she like left and
then like kind of fought with the guards and then
they took her out and everybody applauded. But I didn't
really know what had happened, so I thought they were
applauding for me, and I was like, oh, this is
an odd time for them to cheer.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Sometimes you don't know what's happened.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
But it's all like, you know, it's all an adventure.
It's so much fun to be live, you know.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Yeah, it makes me. I haven't played live yet. Oh
really now since the you know, all the pandemic. Oh
so can we play another song? Please?

Speaker 4 (50:53):
Oh yeah, let's do it. Which one do you think?

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Let's do? Give you Away?

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Yeah? Okay, this is about a father giving his daughter away.
Oh my god, I'm actually thinking about doing a video
to this really soon. Sweet, and it's going to be
a ballet. That's gonna be the whole story is going
to be told in ballet.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
I love dance.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
Yeah, me too, okay, yes, one, two, three four.

Speaker 7 (51:39):
Woke up this morning and it was time.

Speaker 6 (51:48):
So many years we've spent between us.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
You've grown so much. Youse like a crime.

Speaker 6 (52:04):
That I don't get to keep you here till the
end of time. And I left my.

Speaker 9 (52:14):
Fear on the west.

Speaker 7 (52:17):
Side, and I'm happy for the love you chose to
live back.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Well, you've grown so much.

Speaker 9 (52:38):
It's time to fly.

Speaker 6 (52:42):
I know.

Speaker 7 (52:43):
I got to realize you no longer mine.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
I'm giving you.

Speaker 7 (52:52):
Away, but I'm never gonna let you go.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
You found the love.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
That will carry you. It brings me tears.

Speaker 7 (53:18):
Of joy to see your heart so true.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
If he treats you right, then I.

Speaker 7 (53:28):
Know he will.

Speaker 6 (53:32):
There ain't nothing in this.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Whole wide world that you can't do. And I've left
my fears on.

Speaker 6 (53:45):
The wayside, and I'm happy for.

Speaker 9 (53:51):
The love of you.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
You chose to live.

Speaker 18 (53:54):
By you groan't so much.

Speaker 9 (54:06):
Now it's time to fly.

Speaker 7 (54:11):
And I know I've got to realize you know longer mine.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
And I just want to tell you.

Speaker 6 (54:23):
It'll do you rat to know.

Speaker 9 (54:30):
I'm giving you.

Speaker 7 (54:31):
Away, but I'm never gonna let you go.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
And I just want to tell you it'll.

Speaker 9 (54:50):
Do you rat to know.

Speaker 7 (54:57):
I'm giving you away, but I'll never gone let you.

Speaker 18 (55:11):
Go.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
I love that you picked entirely different stars.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Yeah, you know I picked it. First of all. I
loved it. I loved it even before the end, but
then the end got me. I was like, oh, yeah,
we're doing this cool. But I love this song. It's wacky.
It's wacky, yeah, and it's I was.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
Gonna do a whole record and I will of like
just super out there wacky songs about like this base
in the universe.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Well, it's funny because I felt like, this is a
side of you that I kind of know is there, yes,
and this represents it, which is another begging to come out.
It is right, Where does that come from just grown
up being curious, yes, yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
And like being a super nerd. Yeah, like I mean
full on, like I've seen every Star Trek, I've seen
really Star Wars.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Okay, I didn't know that about you.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Yeah, no, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, I wish that.
You know, I probably want to be shot to space
when I die or before?

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Would you do one of those trips? Did William Shanner
just go to s would be epic?

Speaker 4 (56:36):
Yeah? I think I think at this point I would.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
I was sort of waiting to have them work the kinks.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Out, you know, you know, yeah, once they work the yea.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Once they know.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
I don't like kind of want to be the first
of the passengers in space because it's like, you know,
there's sure there's a lot that they're still figuring out
about that. But you know what if I somebody told
me now I could go to space.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
I would, that's so funny.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
Yeah, I totally would, And you know, but I.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Don't know if I would if I didn't have to
be in a spaceship. I think I get claustrophobic.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Oh really yeah, so like if they just shot you
out and just floating around.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Yeah, it was big and roomy, right, right, but like
the space station. Yeah, like not, I wouldn't be in
like a tight vessel. I don't know. I feel like
to get up there, you got to be kind of
confined in something, right.

Speaker 12 (57:28):
You know.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
What tripped me out is I read somewhere that that
when you're weightless in space, it doesn't feel like you're floating.
It feels like you're constantly falling.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Oh, because you got the pressure pressure on you.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
Right, and and it's almost like you're you're just the
momentum of it being like hurtling through space is like
that feeling of falling always.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
That kind of sounds like a vertigo recipe.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
It does sound like it'd be like not as like,
oh I'm floating, you know, it'd be like it's like no,
there's like you're like falling, but you're not hitting anything
is falling at the same time.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
It's not like swimming.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
Not like swimming, No, like being underwater, although I did,
I didn't they do train astronauts underwater.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
That's what I was wondering if it felt kind of
like that, because I like that. Yeah, I'm more of
a water person me too.

Speaker 4 (58:20):
Water water, Well, it's like being in under space. I'm
learning how to hold my breath for I can hold
my breath for three minutes. Now, really you do like
a certain breathing technique and that's crazy. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
I've never tested myself.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
Yeah, I have friends who can hold it for like
eight nine minutes.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Do you scuba dive?

Speaker 4 (58:38):
No, free diving?

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Oh wow?

Speaker 6 (58:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
So we go down there and you know, just try
and go to I've been to you know, like fifty
feet is where my free diving limit is at this moment.
But a lot of my friends out there go spearfishing
and do that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
I want to just come to Hawaii and you've got to.
I started surfing this summer for the first time.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
What Yeah, bring the kids.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
They started surf lessons to.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
We'll teach them, we'll go out and we'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
I would love to do like a I want to basically,
I want to go to a surf camp or something.
I want to just.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
I have some of the best surfers in the world
that I know are really good friends and they love
teaching kids.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Yeah, the kids were pretty good at it. I was
surprised their center gravity is low, so I guess right.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
When they're on those phone boards. Is that what they're
learning on? Yeah, it's so cool. Yeah, Malui's a great spot.
There's a great place I learned called Lania Poco and
it's really really a special area. It's good for kids. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
I'm ready for the surf portion of my life.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
Are you.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Yeah, I'm ready to just like what's so turn into
a surfer.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
So good for you.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
It's like kind of liked.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
It is like a meditation and the waves.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
I mean it's great.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Yeah, well, you know what, you should just come and
live in Mali with me. We should all your whole
family could come and live there and then we surf
every day and then you know, you know, maybe we
could like share a submarine when we have to go
do gigs the submarine us.

Speaker 10 (01:00:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
I like flying as much. That's the only problem about
being Hawaii is yeah, a big flight over the ocean.
But it's fine. I'm always fine when I'm up there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
It's just scaredifying or you just don't like it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
It's just not my favorite. I'm not scared of it.
I have to do it so many times. I just
sort of like, you know, I do a meditation before
and I breathe. I just get like it's like a
fight or flight thing. I think it's just my I
don't think my body is used to being in that
sort of environment through space. But like I just said.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
You just said you wanted to go to space, so.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
I would do it. It's like I do it all
the time, and I get technically that is that's like
as as flying as it gets out in space. What
do you want to do?

Speaker 17 (01:00:53):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Let's do the start entirely different stars. Let's get into
your space zone.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
Yes, that sounds m Gonna take a ride, the good
kind of ride, the wanna get lost in space kind

(01:01:19):
of ride, the Sunday.

Speaker 6 (01:01:20):
And the moon in the evening tide.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
And disappeior below.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
I got a guy, a good tour guy, the best
in the galaxy. Bona fight. He's gonna introduce me daily
in life. I ain't never coming on.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Our little world don't mean a thing. Come on, baby,
want to ride with me on.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
A spaceshift.

Speaker 7 (01:01:49):
All by a nice little farm a thousand light years
south of Mars. I'll give you loving underneath entirely different stars,
entirely different star. I had a dream, a good kind

(01:02:11):
of dream I never ever won a wake up kind
of dream. My home planet, or so it seemed, was
healthy and pristine.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
I woke up with.

Speaker 7 (01:02:23):
My baby dear, looked around and I shed a tear.
My own planet that I held dear was ruled by
greed and fear.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
But our little.

Speaker 6 (01:02:35):
World don't meanything.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
Come on, baby, won't you ride with me on a spaceship.

Speaker 14 (01:02:43):
I last, nice little farm a thousand light years south
of Mars.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
I'll if you loving underneath entirely.

Speaker 6 (01:02:51):
Different stars, entirely different.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Stall Goodbye World War Hello, what all?

Speaker 14 (01:04:05):
Goodbye die read.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Hello kids all?

Speaker 12 (01:05:00):
Then you let me mm hmmm.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
Perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
That was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
That ending that's in my DNA, like it's just part
of my being.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
That's from Redheaded Strange. Yeah, And so the whole song is,
like you know, the concept is, and on the recording
it's a little more with the electric and everything gets
a little more trippy. But you know, they like take
take off, So after the words, then they take off,
and then when they break through the atmosphere, that's when

(01:08:15):
you know they're like floating. And then and then they
get into the outer reaches of space and like time
starts to go all weird. It's like, you know, two
thousand and one of Space Odyssey when he gets like
the way out there and like all everything starts to
go backwards. And then in two thousand and one of
Space Odyssey, it's it goes back to the womb at
the very end. Yeah, And so for me, the womb

(01:08:37):
and the feeling of home is that song. So it's
like it comes right back home at the end of
the song, and.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Like it's actually like that for me, even though it's
not my family, just because.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Yeah, my grand it was my grandfather's favorite.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
Yeah, it's a beautiful record.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:08:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
Dad used to sing Redheaded Stranger from Blue Rock Rode
into Town one day May he was singing back before
I go to sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Really he would sing it to you.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
Yeah, and it's a violent song.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Yeah yeah, And so I was like kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
Have weird dreams after. I remember like I was like, wow,
this guy was like gnarly, you know it shot as
the girl for like trying to steal his whrse.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
I know, I love it. I love grown up on
that album and not quite understanding.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
And then getting more like wow, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Yeah, I mean we grew up with songs like that totally,
but you don't really get.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
I read that ring around the rosie.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
It's terrifying.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
He's terrifying.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Yeah, it's about like the plague, the plague. Yeah, ashes
as we.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
All fall down? Yeahucket full of posies.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
It is creepy.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
Yeah. Yeah, you want to do another one?

Speaker 12 (01:09:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
You want to do sitting on a cloud, Set me
down on a cloud, set me down on a class.

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
Yeah. In fact, let's do that with just you on
the piano and I'll sing it. Is that all right?

Speaker 9 (01:09:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
I'm like, but I might have to You were doing
it in G earlier?

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
Was it in G flat?

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Yeah? Can I do it in G flat?

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Just do it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
I just don't want to mess it up.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
That's better because it really doesn't need guitar company On
that one, I'm sitting in room.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
I'm waiting on and then answer hooping.

Speaker 6 (01:10:30):
Let the lord see's fit to let me leave.

Speaker 7 (01:10:37):
If the news, if you ain't coming back here, I'm
gonna stay until my bones turned to leave.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
I'm waiting on way.

Speaker 11 (01:11:00):
Hang you on the friend, white wall, light, little bold,
keep my feet on the ground.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
If I lose my hobby, tell.

Speaker 6 (01:11:18):
You where they can leave me.

Speaker 7 (01:11:22):
Send me down on the cloud with my soul turned
inside out?

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
Will that fixed me up good? Put my heart still bleed?
And there's only one thing in this world.

Speaker 6 (01:11:53):
To let me.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Baby, whooping up your eyes and tell me you.

Speaker 11 (01:12:02):
Will not leavething when I'm gonna make you feel so
good and more feel.

Speaker 17 (01:12:14):
I'm waiting on the word hanging on the bread white
wall was sling board.

Speaker 11 (01:12:27):
Keep my feet on the ground. If I lose my hobby,
I'll tell you where they can leave me.

Speaker 16 (01:12:41):
Set me down on the cloud with my soul turned inside.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
I'm living on a word hanging on the friend white wall,
exact lug. Keep my feet on the ground, and I
follows my hobby. I'll tell you where they can leave me.

Speaker 6 (01:13:52):
Send me down on a cloud with my soul turned.

Speaker 16 (01:13:57):
In aside, Send me down, muscle turned and side, Send
me down on a class.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
We mustle turned side.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
Oh, I went for the third one we weren't gonna
go for.

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
That's perfect, that was great, that's pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
I love that. That's like that's the gospel song. Definitely,
Thanks so much for coming.

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
Are you kidding? This is anytime you want me last?
Such an honor is so much fun. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
Thanks for doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
I'm just playing love.

Speaker 6 (01:14:48):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
That was so fun.

Speaker 5 (01:14:50):
What an interesting dude. You can tell he's like very
his mind is very open. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
I like that about him.

Speaker 5 (01:14:56):
Yeah, like even that song entirely different stars. I like
that one so like outside of the box. Like I
love that his mind went to this like intergalactic fantasy place.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
It made me want to jump on the train. Yeah,
that was fun. I also found it really interesting and
unique that he he really explains what his songs are about.
Not all songwriters do that. A lot of people like
the mystery. Yes, and I was surprised, and it was
it was fun to hear where all these songs came from.

(01:15:32):
But I feel like that's a unique thing.

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
Yes, it's it's probably hard to share that background.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Yeah, he didn't seem uncomfortable about it at all.

Speaker 5 (01:15:41):
It is an open book.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
I love that about him.

Speaker 5 (01:15:44):
We learned new things about him, like some of his
hidden talents, like holding his breath underwater for.

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
How long did he say?

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
I mean it was like three minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:15:52):
Or don't try that at home.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Don't try that at home, do not. I want to
go surfing with him now, let's go serve All right,
all right, Thanks Lucas. We love you, Lucas. Thanks everyone
for listening, and have a great night, day day, night, day, night.

Speaker 5 (01:16:18):
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Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
Artwork by Eliza Fry, Photography by Shervin Linez.

Speaker 5 (01:16:34):
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