October 10, 2023 • 58 mins
Matt Berninger and Bryce Dessner of The National join Norah by the fireplace to talk about and play songs from their amazing new album, The First Two Pages of Frankenstein. They fill her in on what it was like to come together as a band while living in far away places, the inspiration for the album, and writers block. Matt's warm baritone inspires Norah to ask for a duet on the first-ever acoustic performance of a decade-old song. Recorded 4/29/23.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, I'm Norah Jones and today I'm playing along with
Matt Berninger and Bryce Desner from The National.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm just playing long with you. I'm just playing in
lone with you. Hey, everyone, welcome to the show. I'm
Nora and with me Sarah Oda.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Oh how are you? I'm good.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Today we have two fantastic musicians in the studio with us,
vocalist Matt Berninger and guitarist, piano keyboard player Bryce Destner
of The National.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
The National. We had fun doing this episode. This was
another one from our packed La trip. Yeah back in
When did we do this? We did this right around
the time their album came out, which was April. I
want to say May April. It was April. It was
Willie's birthday week. Yes, that's right, that's how you remember it.
(00:56):
We had a lot of fun. I've been listening to
this band for a long time and I was so
excited to get to hang. I've met Bryce many times,
but I've never met Matt, and it was so fun
to hear his voice in the room. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
To set the scene, it was like a pretty tiny
little studio space with the piano in there, and there
was a TV monitor with a crackling fireplace video like
Yeah aulon.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
If you will in the corner. It was super cozy.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Since our self titled debut album in two thousand and one,
they've released nine studio albums, including their latest release earlier
this year, titled The First Two Pages of Frankenstein.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
It's a great album. Got to check it out and
check their tour dates in case they're in a city
near you. They're an incredible live band. I hope you
enjoyed this episode. We had a lot of fun. Check
it out. Matt Berninger and Bryce Desner from The National,
Please enjoy.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
To make you.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Hollered up everybody's way, walk ons almost over teenagers in
the house. Try to keep my distance, talking of forgiveness
once upon a pool side underneath the lads.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
What was the way thing you said to me?
Speaker 6 (02:28):
I'll follow you everywhere while you work the room. Don't
know how you do it, tangerine for fun. I'm not
doing anyone any kind of favors. Watching everything's lud and
sinking to the pavement.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
What was the wordy thing you said to me?
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Can keep talking, can stop shaking, can keep track of
everything I'm taking?
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Everything is different. I do a few of the same.
Am I ask him for too much? Kenny? What you
was saying? What was the worry thing you said to me?
I thought we could make it through anything. This is
(03:39):
the closest week ever been. I have no idea what.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
And then is this this whole thing again?
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Gonna this is the closest we ever being.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Don't make this any hard. Everybody's we walk on's on
a store teenagers and as try to keep my distance
talking of forgiveness once upon a pull side underneath the lads.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
What was the wordy thing you said to me? I
thought we could make it through anything.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I love hearing you say.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
I realize that you probably couldn't even hear me sing
cause they okay, yeah, I think it's better with my
headphones off.
Speaker 7 (05:04):
Like I can hear the room better, so this will
be better. No.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I love hearing your singing because I've always loved your
voice so much.
Speaker 7 (05:11):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I feel like it's so unique and there's not a
lot of men out there with low voices these days. Yeah,
they're really I can't think of one.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Yeah, although somebody they did the whole I did an
interview about baritones, and I didn't realize it's like Frank
Sinatra and Elvis and Bowie and like I was like, oh, yeah,
all these people are baritones, Like yeah, that's apparently.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Sing high a lot they do. Yeah, I try. It
was a baritone.
Speaker 8 (05:38):
Apparently, Matt's oxy range has been progressively getting bigger over
the years.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Like you've been well, I used to singing pink rabbits.
You go up there.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
It's funny you hear the old record, I'm singing in
it like I'm singing in like a specific sort of
manner that's like, whoa, it's way more ere than it
than it is now, I think.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
But it's still pretty ere, but it changes. I listened
to my first album sometimes and there's this thing I
do with my throat and I'm.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Like, what, yeah, it's exactly the same thing. Oh, it's
like a it's a funny. You have to It takes
a while to learn to just like don't try to
like let the.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
Noise the sound come out.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
It's almost like, don't even think about singing. Just let
the sentiment of the lyrics. Think about the lyric, and
that helps.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
Don't think about.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Notes, don't ever think that's because that's when you're like
you're like you're thinking like a keyboard and like, don't
let you don't sing that way.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, and then you sound funny. Did you sing as
a kid?
Speaker 6 (06:33):
No, No, really, no started singing until till well college.
I had a band that was like a guided my Voices,
you know, sort of pavement type of band, and that's
but that was more just screaming, you know, okay, and
or shouting or yelping.
Speaker 7 (06:49):
But it wasn't ntil till this.
Speaker 8 (06:51):
Till we got We used my brother and I to say,
like Matt would come hear our college band, because we
all moved to New York around the same time.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
But they that was working in Project Nim.
Speaker 8 (06:59):
It was Aaron and I had a little band and
we'd play it like the coffee shop and Matt and
Scott would come.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Wonder Woman says, we were kind of that's like the
older brother.
Speaker 8 (07:07):
We were kind of obsessed with him, and Aaron would
always be like, God, if only he could sing.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Ah, that's so funny. You just had the vibe.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
He had the vibe he had like, yeah, he had
a vibe of like the front man.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
But so how did it actually happen?
Speaker 6 (07:22):
We're just saying anyway, I mean yeah, we just like,
well maybe he can't.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
He could write before he could sing.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, yeah, were you writing poetry?
Speaker 7 (07:29):
And actually no, yeah, I don't know at all.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
I started it all around the same time we used
so we had a band in college and we'd write
the lyrics ourselves and it was so refreshing when finally,
like like just to handle, we wrote wonder Woman says
we didn't write that, okay, but Brian wrote that.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Actually Brian writes good lyrics. Or drummer your drummer.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
He's one of my favorite band rock drummers. Yeah, he's
an incredible drummer. He's unique.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
What does Scott calls him? More machine organic or something.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Oh, that's a good way to describe it.
Speaker 8 (08:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's well, in the national he's machine organic.
But the minimum you put him on like other kinds
of music, he's like he can be like he's like
a he can do anything. I can play jazz or
you know. But in the band he definitely has a
sort of machine like quality.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
No, there's a sound for sure, but it's special. So
he writes lyrics too.
Speaker 8 (08:22):
He's he was a book editor in New York in
the early days, and he's like very literate, like very
very incredibly smart, and so yeah, he's good at writing lyrics,
but he doesn't write national lyrics.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
That's me.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
He doesn't write it. He needs to write more. Yeah,
he's he's got other projects. But but he's Yeah, I
think he's timid about it or something.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
But lyrics are one of the hardest things ever.
Speaker 7 (08:45):
I always talk about lyrics.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
It's like, I mean, seventy five percent of the thought
process is just trying to avoid bad lyrics, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, you know, but then you kind of edit yourself
as you're going.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
Yeah, it's sometimes you'll try to let go of that,
you know, and just like who cares, Like, like, even
if it's a cliche, it's like it's appropriate at this moment,
you know.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, if your heart feels it and you mean it
when you're saying it, cliches are okay, Yeah, it's well.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
Yeah, it's like like anybody, like whenever somebody can work
in love into a song anywhere.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
You know, I mean I try to avoid the word
love at all, Yeah, but.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Sometimes like happens, that's that's the only word that works here.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
You know exactly. Yeah, And like if you try to
change one of those words for something more clever. It
sounds pretentious. Yeah, you know, yeah, so.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
It's it's, it is, it's it's mostly it's a trick
of trying to not annoy yourself.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
See what else's last?
Speaker 6 (09:39):
If I take everything that's awful away, like I try
to see it, that's a song.
Speaker 9 (09:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I stopped caring as much until it's time to record
or something, and then then once I actually hear it recorded,
I'm like, that is horrible. Let's change that. But you know,
no one will ever hear except us. It's the best.
Where did you guys record this? Did you record it
up at the Upstate at the Long Pond?
Speaker 8 (10:05):
Most of the recording of this album was done at
Long Pond, which is the studio that Aaron built near
Hudson and Steveson. But then we also because of like
the pandemic, and then we had a tour that kind
of was planned for the album released, but we didn't
finish the album, so we ended up on the road.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
With there were some Berlin sessions.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
With Berlin that's kind of exciting Omaha and.
Speaker 8 (10:31):
South of France near me, and it kind of and
so it's interesting part of the story is that it's
sort of the record. We also recorded a bit on
the road, like on stage like live, you know, because
we travel with approach tools rig and say, like I
tracked a lot of live guitars from stage actually, which
is we've never We've always wanted to do and never did.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
That's cool. You just kind of threw stuff at it
as you.
Speaker 8 (10:53):
Went, yeah, and it kind of gave it a chance
to like breathe a little bit. And because we've always
had this sort of process in the studio, that's one thing.
And then when the songs go on the road, they
naturally change and become sort of more full blooded. So
this one felt like a good you know, there's some
of the songs really do feel live.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, I mean songs are alive, I think, and I
think they have they go through different things.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Yeah, they evolve, and they get they get older, and they.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
Change a lot.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
Is I think we've been pretty good about letting our songs.
Speaker 7 (11:26):
Like go through like stages of life or whatever.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
I mean, I think it's part of like the type
of band we are that we never sound like there's
one sound. I mean, you know, maybe Matt's voice or
Brian's drums. It's probably the sound. But and then the
whole songwriting side up were pretty harsh with our songs,
so like they need to stand up. Like what we're
doing right now, we're just reinventing them completely. Like if
the songs can't stand up to that, then they're not
(11:50):
they might not be worthy.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Songs or something.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
Yeah, there might be a couple examples of things that
were more like sonic experiments that only work in a
certain way or something.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
Like all of our.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Records, all of our records are songs in their young
baby form.
Speaker 9 (12:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I feel like that too. Unless you're working stuff out
live before you record them, there's no way for it
to be anything else.
Speaker 7 (12:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, And we don't do that.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
We don't do that as much as is maybe I think,
I don't know, I think it'd be good to take
things live there whenever we do, it's just like it
turns into something else.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
But I'm not sure I did that a few times
early on. I used to do songs before I recorded
them for a long time. And I have this one
song that we did for like a year on the
road and then I recorded it and I just could
not find it, you know, I mean, and the song
was solid. I loved the song, but it couldn't find
(12:48):
the version. And I think because there's something about that
first baby version of songs that is really special personally.
But I've never had good luck in the reverse.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Music before you know it that way.
Speaker 8 (13:02):
Like for me, for instance, I have I find my
guitar parts, and the most interesting moment is before I
really know them, like when I'm just and something will happen.
But the minute you like get on stage in front
of a lot of people and it becomes a sort
of confidence like that. You know, there's a sort of
performative thing that if then, is not always super interesting
on record, you know. Yeah, I mean it can be,
but it can also feel cocky or it can feel
(13:24):
like totally sort of hammed up or something where you're
overdoing a part or whatever, so that thethinghurst.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, so it's not it's not as raw. So I
don't know.
Speaker 7 (13:36):
Yeah, it's a weird.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
It's weird about some songs just like to be in
a like to be stay in a studio and have
that intimate you know, headphone vibe, and the other ones
just want to whatever.
Speaker 7 (13:47):
They just want to be something else. You kind of
let them see what happens.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, they want to fly. Do you guys change your
arrangements up based on years of doing stuff and letting
that happen on stage.
Speaker 8 (13:58):
I mean we often you and because we like to
improvise on stage. So sometimes songs will like very often
what happens is like a crazy outro or something. It's
like about today is this old song of ours that
has this like insane ultro that just happened once. So
that's always fun.
Speaker 7 (14:14):
You know.
Speaker 8 (14:15):
All we probably should do is just make a like
make a live record someday.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Squalar Victoria, does that have an outro on them?
Speaker 7 (14:20):
No?
Speaker 8 (14:21):
Scholar Victoria is another one that became this It's a
Boxer song that was always a weird song. Frankly that
that's a good example of something that like even on
the record, it's just it's like this has this crazy
string arrangement and it's even calling it a song. It
was a piece of music that usually like Matt gets
the final say on what becomes a song because if
he doesn't finish the lyrics, yes, song on Boxer there
(14:43):
wasn't a song, but we we liked the music.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
So much that.
Speaker 8 (14:45):
We kept it right up until the last night and
then Matt and then Matt finally wrote something that's almost
more like a like this was like a very underwritten song,
and Peter Katis, who would produce that record, was.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Like, Matt, you're ruining the song. Why are you singing
on it?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
He literally told me ied it.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
I'm just tried.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
That's funny, but it's become really cool live the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, yeah, it's different, it becomes something totally different. Yeah, funny,
that's cool. Well, you want to try another song from
the new record?
Speaker 10 (15:19):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I love the new record. I'm so excited, are you?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
You feel good now that it's out. It's always like
so long until you can put it out right.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
I'm glad I don't have to talk about it anymore.
I just have to play it.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, yeah, I won't make you get too detailed.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
No, this is the last time.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
This is the last time we'll talk about it.
Speaker 9 (15:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I was reading that New York Times piece today and
I was like, oh my gosh, they're really you're putting
a lot out there talking about it as well, like
talking about depression and everything.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
I mean, when we finally finished the record and like
listening to the songs and knowing like what the actual
process we got there, It's like I can't, I can't.
It's like the whole record is is saying this is
where what was happening? So yeah, trying to turn to
avoid talking about it was was gonna be silly, but yeah, yeah,
it was. It was, it was. It was.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
It was a.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
Struggle to get out of a long, dark writers block
period for me and under depression. And yeah, we were
we were very much not sure if if this continuing,
this whole band thing was such a great idea, you know,
it's like it would you know.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
And I and because I didn't have any songs, but.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
We eventually sort of just back getting back in the
studio and get them back on the road and just
getting reconnecting. You know that I think that all the
isolation had caught up with me and that was the
one thing that.
Speaker 7 (16:41):
Sort of broke broke the spell.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
And it took a while before we were able to
you know, start to pull pull together a record. And
when we did, we then when at some point we
started writing a lot and a lot of these were written.
This one that was written pretty late, right and then.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, for me, one of the last ones, this is.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
The last song on the record, and it was it
was the one the finally like getting all the depression
stuff out of my system and then writing one that's
just like like like being supported, trying to be there
for other people where all the yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
It's beautiful. I can feel that, the lyric is so
great and I just feel like, you know, man.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
Yeah, this is the this is the song where where
the clouds finally it's we made a very dar dark record,
but yeah, the clouds were pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I have to say.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
It was Britial, but it was like really the process
of coming out of the storm, and it was really
you know, it was like this journey personally, lyrically, musically, yeah,
and so you know every step of the way. It's
kind of like there's the album that people here now
(17:55):
and you hear some of that, but there was also
this sort of longer arc that wasn't just suffering, you
know that I think that in that there there was
a lot of beauty in there. Like there would be
moments where Matt would sing like two words but they
were really powerful, you know, and like it was kind
of and then yeah, this song is sort of the
big time, the clouds partying and the words.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Fuck me, no, they weren't, they weren't. There was none
of that.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
It was once it started, once it started kind of
taking sort of a shape.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
It was.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
The record itself was kind of like the thing that
kind of changed the whole dynamic.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
And you know, the record itself changed the weather, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, So music is magic, shall we say.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
It can be medicinal.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
It can be medicinal. It can also be really hard.
So that that being stuck and not not knowing when
it's coming back must have.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
Been very Yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
Yeah, you know, I was definitely like that, I don't
it seems to be gone. Yeah, that was that was it,
because I've been doing it for twenty years. And my
brother was like, why don't you just like write about
like the depression, make something out of it. And that's like,
it's all I've been doing, you know, for twenty years.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
That's all.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Like all of our songs are about that one way
or another. I think most songs are, you know somewhere
I have that in there. But so like I was
like I did, I didn't want to write any more
about it.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
But I had to.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
You know, you just you write what you're feeling. And
but that's why people respond to it, because everybody it's
like a real, true, raw feeling that people can relate to.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Yeah, so I like to.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
Say this record about Franko zeon Er, this is about
aliens or stuff like that. But all those songs about
aliens are all about you know, not none of them
about aliens, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So yeah, it's hard to play choy. Yeah, yeah, well
I love this one.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
Send for me, the.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
One, and it's where the clouds finally park.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
If you ever sitting at the airport and.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
You don't want to leave, don't even know what you're
there for, send for me. If you ever hurts again
in an evader full of bachelorette.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Corner it in and it's taken for a.
Speaker 10 (20:44):
Please don't forget.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Send for me wheneverwhere, Send for me, I'll come and
get you.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Send for me whenever where.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
If you ever had a glass top table selling your ideas,
just swivel chair in under lyne suit, just stop.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
See if you're singing in a song music with that
to drop to.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Drink and you can't even make eye contact, can he.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Even think.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
Seem for me OneWorld, Send for me, I'll can get you.
Sound for me one er world, seem for me, weneverworld,
send for me.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
I thought you'd never send for me. Run over, wear out, run.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
Out, run out, run out to me, Now run out,
run out, I'm pulled le a right, run out, run out,
run out, run out to me. Now run out and
run out, run out to me. Now run out, run out,
(22:28):
I'm pull run around, run.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Out and run out, run out, run out to me.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Now, if you're ever in a Sikia trop greenhouse, will
slip on shoes?
Speaker 5 (22:47):
What a smile on the shadow proof wonders, I'll know
what to do.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
If you're ever in a gift shop of time inside
filling up with you.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Because you thought of somebody you.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Love when you haven't seen you, send for me? Will
never aware ever send for me. I'll come and get you.
Send for me, will ever aware?
Speaker 10 (23:26):
Send for me?
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Will never aware am.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Send for me?
Speaker 11 (23:31):
I thought you'd never send for me. Whenever send for me?
Will ever awarever?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Send for me?
Speaker 5 (23:48):
I've come, s been got you send for me?
Speaker 9 (23:51):
Will ever awherever?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
That's great. That's a fun one to play, really nice. Yeah,
that seems like when I want to hear your version anytime.
I like singing harmony on it. Yeah, it was like
a it feels good to say those words. It's just
like special.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
Yeah, this one is like the comfort Yeah, at the
end of a kind of a I mean, the whole
record is kind of a comfort record honestly, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yeah, but this one's where it's like the fever breaks,
you know.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, it's beautiful. We should jam war. This is fun.
Let's do another one from the new record? Is that cool?
Or should we mix it up? Or let's do an
We're a new record mode.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
So this one, let's do This isn't helping, okay, which
is before.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
The Sun's hence the title. Yeah, how does it feel
talking about all this?
Speaker 7 (24:58):
I'm I'm I'm happy to get it out of my system.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Yeah, it's like I mean, like I said, there was
no where to talk about this record without talking about it.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Is it slightly therapeutic to kind of revisit.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
It in or not?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
No?
Speaker 6 (25:13):
I think it's it'll be good to I think it'll
be good to take the like sing them live and
put in front of people and stuff like that.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
These they it's kind of like a wound that needs
some air and sunlight, you know. Yeah, it's like so yeah,
I feel like releasing the record is like finally.
Speaker 8 (25:32):
I mean I think, like all your lyrics for me,
that there's this story, the personal story, which felt important.
You know, we've been sharing it because it's what happened
and there's no way around it. But I think that
the work stands apart from it. Also that like many
I mean how much, I think it's also sort of
for us been this. We kind of got away with
(25:53):
it for so many years of sort of just doing
our thing and and it never grabbed us. And then
you know, this was sort of this period of time
where it was hard. But I think that so much,
so much art and so much music, you know, does
have pain in it, but it also has beauty and
it has you know, so that like did I hear
all kinds of other things and these like when I
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listened to that song, it doesn't I'm not hearing your.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Depression at all.
Speaker 8 (26:17):
Yeah yeah, actually, yeah, So I think in probably in
five years and ten years, we'll look back and be like,
oh wait, how.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Are we doing back then?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And I remember yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's
like yeah, or the other.
Speaker 8 (26:28):
Thing that's come up in this you know, there's been
every every band member has had their period of you know,
and actually we've.
Speaker 7 (26:37):
We've all struggled, I know, everybody else.
Speaker 8 (26:39):
I mean there was I had my own sort of
like there was a I was supporting you, but I
was also to rest, you know, that was the pandemic was.
It was a tricky time for me too, just being
so far away from everyone.
Speaker 10 (26:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
Yeah, I live in France and I was you were
in France. Yeah, it was the longest I've not seen
any of my bandmates or you know.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
My brother or my family.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, you were isolated over there.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Really isolated.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
We already live in the countryside, and it was just
and I think that, Yeah, it was just it was
kind of, you know, a moment of reckoning with a
lot of things, and probably you know, for quite a while,
I was thinking this is probably the end of the band,
and so it was sort of facing that down. That's
very Yeah, yeah, you know, just missing it. But I
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was saying, like, you know, we've all we've been a
band for more than twenty years, so we've each you know,
each of us have had our periods where you know,
we've each gone through things, and so there's this kind
of and it's it's woven, whether it's in the lyrics
or not, it's sort of woven into the history of it,
you know, and like a family, you.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Know, yeah, well it is a family.
Speaker 9 (27:41):
Yeah right.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
The truth is these songs are all about those guys. Really,
it's mostly about their problems. This isn't about me.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
But it must be so weird to be in a
band for so long and then all live in different places.
That seems difficult. But I just have to get together.
Speaker 8 (28:00):
Yeah, we we we lived in the early days, we
were like properly a band and working stuff out in
the rehearsal room. And then but even by Alligator two
thousand and five or so, I remember I lived in
a house with Matt, but we were emailing each other demos,
you know, working.
Speaker 7 (28:16):
I used to make him dinner.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
I would make him I would make him dinner and
leave it outside his door when he was writing, and
then he would he would open it and he just
pushed it played out like empty.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah yeah yeah, so yeah, but but but yes, it.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
Was a period of like we all lived in Brooklyn
on the same street for at least ten years, I think,
you know, we're and it was like a beautiful time,
you know, it was a wonderful And I think that's
part of like missing that, you know it. We'd kind
of we'd been touring so much, we'd gotten so used
to being around each other, but we'd also become sort
of like, you know, like we were phantoms of ourselves,
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like we weren't we were there, but we weren't really there,
just sort of going through the motions of being you know,
like just doing what we could do to get by
and play the music.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
You know.
Speaker 8 (28:59):
But I think this whole process has been sort of
good for us to reconnect with the actual humans, you know,
like with each other and.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
With the Yeah, well it's easy to for it's easy
to skate over stuff when you're so busy and you know,
everybody's got family, right and you're playing music on tour
and there's a schedule to keep up with, and then
the pandemic just everything stopped and you realized you needed
that connection I did anyway with people that you know.
Speaker 8 (29:26):
The other thing I didn't realize is like like playing
music with people, you know, there's no other nothing replaces it,
you know, Nope, it doesn't. And I don't mean like
playing in front of ten thousand people. I mean actually
just playing three people in a room. There's a there's
it like an energy and a connection.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
The wires are literally like cross crossing and the current
like but when we when you send stuff back and forth,
sometimes that that just the electricity you know, of of
different vibes and people are just are mixing at the
same time.
Speaker 7 (29:55):
Yeah, all it's happening in the same bowl of soup
a little bit.
Speaker 8 (29:59):
But that has a harder job because he doesn't have
an instrument to hide behind. But but we love like
just even doing It's like one thing I love is
I playing music in a room with Matt and you
can see if he's reacting physically that it's you know,
like you like see his foot tap.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
And we could just move the piano in the front
and I'll just and I'll just hide behind the piano.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
You can just that's what I usually do.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
Yeah, I'll just be back there, like looking over like
kil Roy with my microphone over, are.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
You playing piano? On a lot of who's playing piano?
Speaker 7 (30:27):
And I don't play anything?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Don't you just want to hide behind?
Speaker 7 (30:29):
I just literally underneath.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
It's a good one to hide behind.
Speaker 8 (30:32):
Aaron and I play. We both learned piano. I think
actually I was the first to start like fake Empire
was me and that was like the first piano song
on Boxer.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
That's my favorite piano part. It's really hard to cop to.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
It.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
It's like chopsticks but with a difficult rhythm.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
I'm not even gonna.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I wanted to do that one, and then I was
trying to learn it, and then I will happily right now,
yeah to me, after we're doing let's do this news
song from the new record. This isn't helping.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
This isn't helping.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
This was about trying everything and just none of that
really working until just time and friendship, I think is
the thing that made it anyway.
Speaker 10 (31:14):
Sorry, I cannot believe what you get away with.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
You find beauty and the thing I never you look
down into a sue, you see diamond.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
It isn't fair how you know, like you trap It's
if you couldn't care any left. And I'm here kicking
myself to keep from crying. You see you're around cry
But this isn't.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Handling, and it only makes me want to get it
further wrong. This isn't handling and this is a helping.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
You can say that this doesn't have to hope get
there if you need to be found. Can't you see
that that makes it's so much worse. I'll always see you.
(33:02):
Maybe in time we can give one more shock. But
let's think of bout what matters now. Keep kicking yourself
to keep from cry.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
That you're so bad because this season hand be. I
know you think it's kindness, but it's not. This is
a happy this season, Candy, don't say that all your phone.
(33:48):
I know your back cannot come in. But would your life.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Be so bad.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
If you know every single thought I had?
Speaker 12 (34:04):
Because I only have two things to say to you,
but you say two things about everything be.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Well, just when I thought you don't even noted me
at this season have been.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Had?
Speaker 13 (34:30):
It only makes me want to get further. This season
haven't been. This season have been?
Speaker 5 (34:47):
This season haven't been.
Speaker 13 (34:50):
And I know you think it's carry its burst now,
this season't have been.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
This is yeah cool, that's cool, Yeah cool.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Who's singing on that one?
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Phoebe Bridges singing from Yeah it sounds great.
Speaker 7 (35:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
She sings on a couple of songs, that one and
another one.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Yeah, she really she brought in like that sort of
that it needed some like tender tender voices and yeah
real you know, and she's got one of those voices
that just sounds like like a cashmere, you know, sweater
that just feels just really comforting.
Speaker 7 (35:47):
So yeah, so you have a lot of these.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
There's like my my wife writes with me a lot,
So we've we've incorporated a lot of different vocalists I think,
to give to give songs in like some other layer
of perspective and some other other you know, not literally
another voice, but like metaphorically and other voices coming in
because she writes.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
So much with me, So I like that. And also
your voice is so deep and manly. It's really such
a nice juxtaposition to have.
Speaker 7 (36:22):
You know, it can lift, it can sometimes.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
They know, I'm not saying you need it.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
I'm not saying you need it. I'm just saying it's
a beautiful. It's a beautiful combo, you know.
Speaker 7 (36:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
Yeah, yeah, we've been really lucky to have so many,
so many Soufian included and stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Oh yeah, Stevens.
Speaker 8 (36:39):
Yeah, we always thought there were like two ways to
do the band one would be just the five of
us and sort of staring at our shoes or whatever,
which there's other bands that do that way better than us,
you know, or to kind of have the wind windows
open and the doors open and let you know, others in.
And it's been since really pretty early on that we've
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had like really amazing collaborators and Yeah, and then it
kind of went to it's like Apex and on the
last record where we really Matt kind of handed the
the mic over, where you know, half the songs are
really sung by other people, by women, which is really
like a wonderful album for us. But this record we
wanted to come back to kind of more to what
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we do as the five of us. But once we
heard it was sort of.
Speaker 9 (37:24):
This song and.
Speaker 8 (37:26):
You know, the song once Upontiple Cybersuian sings or the
alkaht wor Tailor sings that we felt like those songs
really felt like they could use we kind of you know,
but we weren't. We didn't plan for it, but just
felt like musically like it really made a lot of
sense to have guests on those.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Yeah, I've actually never wanted to like hide behind like
have other people sing these songs more so than in
this record. But Aaron was like, no, no, let's let's
like I don't want any even to look at me
or you know, I don't want to talk about anything.
And he's like, great, we're going to put a spotlight
on you and like turn you way up.
Speaker 7 (37:56):
And yeah, he's right.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
He's like he's as kind of really found really a
good way. He's hones in on, like where the emotional
center is like the most you know, it's the most
important part or something. Yeah, and he's like working with
Taylor and working with people like, I think he's really
starting to kind of do that.
Speaker 7 (38:19):
More now, you know more. Sometimes I'm like bury me,
and I'd much rather be buried.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
No, but you can't be buried with with lyrics like
this and emotion like this and a voice like you have.
It's like, it's the thing if somebody else were to
sing these.
Speaker 7 (38:33):
Songs, Yeah, this one had to be pretty.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
It had to be you. Yeah, you know, it's it's great.
And when you're talking about Taylor, you're talking about Taylor Swift. Yes,
just for people she sings on on the album. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
she said.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
A song called the Outcot, which I was writing kind
of about about writing with my wife and stuff and
so and so she kind of came in and brought
in this perspective as a writer who writes, you know,
with collaborates with with people, and and so she she
jumped in and kind of put the other perspective and
wrote all her lines and all her lyrics are just
(39:11):
responding to me.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
I like that at the time.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I like that that way of writing. Yeah, nice.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
And she wrote it really fast and just kind of
listened to what I was saying and then and then
answered back and just get a gay you know, just
just filled in the whole other side of the conversation.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
It was.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
It was very cool.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
It's cool. It's like a real exchange.
Speaker 7 (39:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, don't you think that collaborating feeds you? I find
That's what kind of I'm doing this, you know, is
that I feel like collaborating with other musicians. I can't
really be in a room just by myself playing only.
I feed off of that and it informs everything I do.
And like even learning your songs today, you know, who
knows what's going to pop out in the future from
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certain chord changes that I'm putting together, listening to your songs.
You know, I just find that it's my favorite thing
and it's it's the most exciting thing to me musically.
Has been lucky to bounce around like that.
Speaker 6 (40:06):
We've been able to collaborate with so deeply with people
like souf Yaan and Phoebe and Taylor, but then also
like the Grateful Dead, you guys like you know, like
the two thirds of our band, like was you know,
played with Bob Weird for for several months of a
tour and.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Like, wait, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah, have you not heard our six hours?
Speaker 5 (40:23):
I'm sorry you.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
We probably called you for it, but we couldn't get
through the walls.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
I didn't know about that.
Speaker 8 (40:29):
Yeah, it's it's we'll let We'll let you. We'll list
leave that in the air so you can go here.
But yeah, we made it for the Red Hot charity.
They did a thing called Day of the Dead, which
was yeah, big sprawling, Grateful Dead tribute records.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
We had some spare time.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
So but then like I remember, like I think collaborating
with Kim and Kelly Deal like was also one of
those like oh, there's like all kinds of ways to
think about song.
Speaker 8 (40:54):
It's to learn you know, it's wonderful to hear like
how you phrase and how you like how you'll take
a chord and just voice it differently or you know,
it's every time that happens. And I think probably for
my brother and I because we're not you know, the
lead singer or like, it's it's just by nature of
being twins and being born collaborators. It's kind of that
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is the thing basically that music is. And yeah, it's
also the thing that music is something that's we're better
you know, not in isolation for the most part, you know,
And so yeah, that's yeah, but that that thing is
like always learning, Like even I love, you know, working
with people who are really different, who are not coming
you know, coming from a totally different you Always there's
(41:39):
always something, even if it feels sort of uncomfortable at first,
there's always something to be to be found, you know.
So yeah, like or like it could be processed, or
it could be something they're doing with technology or something
that you know, yeah that you know.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
I used to sort of think, oh, technology, it's not
real music. I mean, I'm completely on the other side
of that now. There's no wrong way to do music,
and there's there's always something to learn, no matter how
good you are. You know what I mean. It's the best.
It's my favorite thing. Did you guys want to try
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that song? You made this song for a movie.
Speaker 7 (42:15):
Made a song for well, this wasn't in the play.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
This is for Serrah No the movie.
Speaker 9 (42:20):
This was in the movie, right, and it actually was.
Speaker 7 (42:22):
It was it was. It was the title sequence at
the end of the movie.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
And it's never been played.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
You've never played it, no, oh no.
Speaker 8 (42:30):
And in fact, the version we wrote it Matt and
I on guitar and that, and then the version of
the movie is with piano, so we could yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
We could try it.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I like, I want you to take the lead on
it so I can sprinkle a little.
Speaker 8 (42:42):
The film is Syrraho where we it's a it's actually
a musical, and we wrote all the songs Oh my god, yeah,
and which was yeah.
Speaker 7 (42:51):
Hayley Bennett sing all the songs.
Speaker 8 (42:52):
Yeah, it's so crazy. It was a crazy experience. Joe
Wright directed it and I know him.
Speaker 7 (42:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
It was like a beautiful Yeah.
Speaker 6 (42:59):
It was a lot that has a long, like really
fun creative adventure through through you know, New York theater
and then into in the film and then you were
there when they shot it in Italy, right, you were
during COVID.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
But yeah, and this song was like.
Speaker 8 (43:16):
We wrote like we would write a national song, and
then it just made sense for to put at the
end of this film.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
I think that's great. What I'm also what a fun
experience to do that different?
Speaker 8 (43:27):
Yeah too, it was it was like for years of
just writing songs for ourselves and sending to write songs
for other people to sing was not not the easiest leap,
but we it was really fun.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (43:38):
Yeah, for me, the biggest challenge was like trying to
write for all the literally different characters and also moving
story along and trying.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
To like and that that's a totally different way.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Parst of my.
Speaker 6 (43:51):
Songs are such collage bits and pieces, but to like
have you know, write with conversations back and forth and like,
you know, moving it moving up a plot points along
inside songs.
Speaker 7 (44:03):
Yeah, because like it was was really fun and challenging.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
But I might call you. I might be working on
a musical, so I might help me.
Speaker 10 (44:11):
What do I do?
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Yeah, it's an it's an advanture, it's a call. Yeah, Yeah,
I have some good advice about that. Okay, I try this.
Speaker 7 (44:21):
Yeah, M.
Speaker 5 (44:35):
What can I say anything? It never has no means.
I can't read them, can't speak. I don't know what
I feel.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
That wasn't me.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
I don't know who that was.
Speaker 6 (45:03):
That was somebody desperate, someone in love. Why can't I
tell anybody the truth? I'm somebody desperate.
Speaker 7 (45:17):
I don't know what to do.
Speaker 5 (45:24):
You have no d do, but I do. I just
don't know what to say because I'm so so afraid.
Speaker 6 (45:43):
That was in me.
Speaker 5 (45:45):
I don't know who that was.
Speaker 6 (45:48):
That was somebody desperate, someone in love. Why can't I
te anybody the truth? Somebody desperate, somebody just like you.
Speaker 5 (46:09):
No, you won't on the stand, but go away through.
Speaker 6 (46:15):
But sometimes I think, Yo, my twins, Sometimes I'm so confused.
Speaker 5 (46:28):
I wasn't me. I don't know who that was.
Speaker 6 (46:32):
That was somebody desperate, someone in load. Why can't I
tell anybody the truth? I'm somebody desperately. Don't know what
to do, just don't want a little.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
That was pretty?
Speaker 7 (47:33):
That was great, right?
Speaker 5 (47:34):
Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (47:35):
The version never played before And you've never done this live. No,
you've never played it in the same room.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Oh really, you recorded it?
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Kind of you send a Guitar Party.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
This came out. That movie came out not like during
the pandemic era.
Speaker 7 (47:49):
Yeah, in the pandemic and and shot in the pandemic.
Speaker 9 (47:56):
Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 8 (47:58):
I think people will come to it over time. It's
it's beautiful. Peter Dinglish is like amazing.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
He's incredible, you know.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
He's like such a well.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
I think it's such a cool I didn't see it,
but I did read about it, and it's such a
cool idea to remake that story.
Speaker 7 (48:13):
You and Aaron performed live with him on what television show?
It was a Colbert.
Speaker 8 (48:18):
He's saying, Peter has a remarkably similar range vocally to Matt,
which was like a terrible handicap for him at first
because he was so like, because he loves Matt, It's
just like I just selling Mat but not as good.
But eventually he started to kind of find his own
way with So we wrote these songs with Matt and
then gave him the Peter and then yeah, he just
(48:40):
inhabited this character.
Speaker 6 (48:41):
I remember I kept saying, like, I like, don't sing,
don't even I mean, like the notes are there, but
like you like, just like I think I'm more I
feel like I'm acting more than I am singing.
Speaker 7 (48:52):
You know, I don't think like if you start thinking
about your voice, like we.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
Were saying, yeah you embody, those sounds weird.
Speaker 6 (48:57):
So most of the time I'm just I'm actually just
trying to like sing as little as possible and just
be genuine inside the content.
Speaker 7 (49:05):
Of the words you or whatever.
Speaker 6 (49:07):
Yeah, and it'll naturally, you know, fallow a melody. So
I think really getting him to not worry about his
singing at all was was the thing.
Speaker 7 (49:16):
I think.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Enough actually sing.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Yeah, you have a non singer trying to sing, and
you're like, don't think about singing. It's like it's probably bad.
Speaker 8 (49:24):
Words for theaters, like a great stage actor. He comes
from New York theater and so, and he was doing
this thing like naturally to like sing to the back
of the room, you know, in film, because it's they
can make it up. So it's like sort of convincing
him that like the softer sounds and his voice were
also interesting, and so he kind of started to really
inhabit these more interior which is what Matt does, you know,
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instead of just like projecting all the time. It's like
some of the softer sounds are good, and but it
was interesting as a musical, you know, the Nationals. It
was like the best version of that I think that
we could do. But obviously our our music is not
the sort of like full hearted Broadway sound or whatever.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
It was very different.
Speaker 8 (50:05):
It tends to be what people expect out of a
film musical as a sort of like show numbers, you know,
and so this is this very understated version of that.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
You know.
Speaker 6 (50:14):
Yeah, it's somewhere between between with the Tom Waits Black
Writer and Le Mis or somewhere between those in terms
of the musical.
Speaker 8 (50:24):
But there's some really like we're really quite proud of
a bunch of the songs in it, and this one
was like a sort of interesting one where it kind
of like we did it and sort of forgot about it.
And when you asked us to do this podcast, I
thought we could do that songs we've never done it.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Yeah, it's fun to do stuff that you forget about.
Speaker 6 (50:41):
Speaking of things we've forgotten about, this is you wanted
to do a CEO love which which ever done like
an acoustic version.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
No, but we're happy to try.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Let's try it. I love this song and I thought
it could be cool stripped back, And I also loved
the idea of singing maybe maybe the verse and then
and then you want me to step out for maybe
maybe just for the first and then, but you got
to come back in on the the rest of it
pretty much, So you want me to stay out in
(51:10):
the I don't know, and I don't know what the.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
Switch that you this is trouble will find me, which
is ten years old.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 7 (51:22):
Come in on. I see people on the floor, I
see people.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Maybe, Yeah, definitely come in there. Also, I'll need a
little help, but I kind of feel like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
Let's just try whatever.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
Yeah, I think definitely come in there. Definitely be in
on that. Yeah, because I'll be in with you and
it'll be cool. I just want to sing in octaves
with you so bad because I never get to sing
with someone with a voice as low as yours, and
it's it's really special for me.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Actually, yeah, yeah verse that' that'd be great. Okay, Okay,
we got it, we do got it.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
This is actually really my heart's like racing a little bit.
It's so fun.
Speaker 14 (52:13):
Oh we say love me jump Parma supposed to no.
Speaker 5 (52:31):
Where you go and.
Speaker 14 (52:34):
Ways word of mass supposed.
Speaker 9 (52:42):
To say, I see people on the floor. They slid
into the.
Speaker 5 (52:57):
See can't stay here round. We're sending to fie.
Speaker 6 (53:11):
If I stay here, trouble find me. If I stay here,
I believe.
Speaker 5 (53:25):
If I stay tru find me, I believe. Should always
think of you as coming the child who knew. Mm
(53:50):
hmmm this was never going a life. Old Joe, you
feel so fat?
Speaker 15 (54:11):
Hey Joe, Sia Hurdship. They say love is a merch
You don't thing, hey, jo Sia Hurship. They say love
is a virtue. Don't he job, Sarah Hurshiper. They said
(54:34):
love is a virt you tell thing, Hey, Joe, Sara Hurdship.
Speaker 5 (54:42):
They said love is a virtue, tell't thing?
Speaker 9 (54:47):
Some people love the floor.
Speaker 16 (54:52):
They slam to the see can't stay here? Meeting them to.
Speaker 5 (55:09):
I see you Russian? Then tell me how to reach you?
Speaker 9 (55:14):
I see you Russian?
Speaker 5 (55:16):
Then what if har I teach you? I see you Russian?
That tell me how to reach you?
Speaker 9 (55:25):
I see you Russian?
Speaker 5 (55:27):
Then what did I have to teach you?
Speaker 6 (55:30):
I tried su tell.
Speaker 5 (55:33):
Me how to reach you.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
I tried to see.
Speaker 9 (55:39):
What did ham to teach you?
Speaker 5 (55:41):
I try.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Tell me how to.
Speaker 5 (55:46):
I tried what in habit teach you? I see.
Speaker 14 (55:55):
Tell me Heaven beat a frig mans.
Speaker 3 (56:10):
That feel pretty really good. That's super good. Yeah, good,
we did it. That's cool.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
Yay, that was fun.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
It's good to work on something and now we don't.
Speaker 12 (56:21):
Have to hear it for tour.
Speaker 4 (56:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:22):
I know you're good and you can do your acoustic.
Speaker 3 (56:24):
Version now and we want to do it, like perform
it now. You can call you and you like come
join us on stage on dis Yeah.
Speaker 7 (56:30):
That was awesome. That was great.
Speaker 1 (56:31):
That was fun. Thanks for letting me sing it with you.
Speaker 5 (56:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (56:35):
Yeah, are you available as a session musician because you're
really good.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
I'm always available, just so you know.
Speaker 3 (56:41):
I don't believe it.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
I love doing that stuff.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
Really, I'm down.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
I'm not going to make music anytime.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
Okay, we'll call you.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
Thanks for doing this so fun, so fun. I love
you guys. It was awesome and I want to come
see you now. Look me up in New York. I'm around.
Thanks for doing it. We brought it. I think it's great. Yeah,
thanks for listening. That was a great episode. We had
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so much fun. That was beautiful. Matt's voice is so
deep and pensive, all of it.
Speaker 4 (57:16):
The music, the lyrics really sets a mood that you
can just kind of wallow in, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (57:21):
Oh my gosh, totally. Thanks to Matt and Bryce for
making it work out. Songs from this episode were Once
Upon a Pool side from the first two pages of
Frankenstein their new album Send for Me, also from that album,
This Isn't Helping, also from that album, Somebody Desperate from
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the Sierra No soundtrack in two thousand and one, and
See of Love from Trouble Will Find Me, the twenty
thirteen national album. Don't Forget to like and subscribe us.
Please please like us, Please like and subscribe to us.
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This episode was recorded at Night Bird Recording Studios, Los Angeles, California.
Recorded by Colton Lakey, assisted by Greg Buchanan, and mixed
by Jamie Landry. Edited by Sarah Oda. Additional engineering by
Greg Tobler and Pete rem artwork by Eliza Frye. Photography
by Shervin Linez, Coordinating producer Rachel Ward. Produced by Norah
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Jones and Sarah Oda. Thanks for listening, y'all,
Hey, I'm Norah Jones and today I'm playing along with
Matt Berninger and Bryce Desner from The National.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm just playing long with you. I'm just playing in
lone with you. Hey, everyone, welcome to the show. I'm
Nora and with me Sarah Oda.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Oh how are you? I'm good.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Today we have two fantastic musicians in the studio with us,
vocalist Matt Berninger and guitarist, piano keyboard player Bryce Destner
of The National.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
The National. We had fun doing this episode. This was
another one from our packed La trip. Yeah back in
When did we do this? We did this right around
the time their album came out, which was April. I
want to say May April. It was April. It was
Willie's birthday week. Yes, that's right, that's how you remember it.
(00:56):
We had a lot of fun. I've been listening to
this band for a long time and I was so
excited to get to hang. I've met Bryce many times,
but I've never met Matt, and it was so fun
to hear his voice in the room. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
To set the scene, it was like a pretty tiny
little studio space with the piano in there, and there
was a TV monitor with a crackling fireplace video like
Yeah aulon.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
If you will in the corner. It was super cozy.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Since our self titled debut album in two thousand and one,
they've released nine studio albums, including their latest release earlier
this year, titled The First Two Pages of Frankenstein.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
It's a great album. Got to check it out and
check their tour dates in case they're in a city
near you. They're an incredible live band. I hope you
enjoyed this episode. We had a lot of fun. Check
it out. Matt Berninger and Bryce Desner from The National,
Please enjoy.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
To make you.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Hollered up everybody's way, walk ons almost over teenagers in
the house. Try to keep my distance, talking of forgiveness
once upon a pool side underneath the lads.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
What was the way thing you said to me?
Speaker 6 (02:28):
I'll follow you everywhere while you work the room. Don't
know how you do it, tangerine for fun. I'm not
doing anyone any kind of favors. Watching everything's lud and
sinking to the pavement.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
What was the wordy thing you said to me?
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Can keep talking, can stop shaking, can keep track of
everything I'm taking?
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Everything is different. I do a few of the same.
Am I ask him for too much? Kenny? What you
was saying? What was the worry thing you said to me?
I thought we could make it through anything. This is
(03:39):
the closest week ever been. I have no idea what.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
And then is this this whole thing again?
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Gonna this is the closest we ever being.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Don't make this any hard. Everybody's we walk on's on
a store teenagers and as try to keep my distance
talking of forgiveness once upon a pull side underneath the lads.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
What was the wordy thing you said to me? I
thought we could make it through anything.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I love hearing you say.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
I realize that you probably couldn't even hear me sing
cause they okay, yeah, I think it's better with my
headphones off.
Speaker 7 (05:04):
Like I can hear the room better, so this will
be better. No.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I love hearing your singing because I've always loved your
voice so much.
Speaker 7 (05:11):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I feel like it's so unique and there's not a
lot of men out there with low voices these days. Yeah,
they're really I can't think of one.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Yeah, although somebody they did the whole I did an
interview about baritones, and I didn't realize it's like Frank
Sinatra and Elvis and Bowie and like I was like, oh, yeah,
all these people are baritones, Like yeah, that's apparently.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Sing high a lot they do. Yeah, I try. It
was a baritone.
Speaker 8 (05:38):
Apparently, Matt's oxy range has been progressively getting bigger over
the years.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Like you've been well, I used to singing pink rabbits.
You go up there.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
It's funny you hear the old record, I'm singing in
it like I'm singing in like a specific sort of
manner that's like, whoa, it's way more ere than it
than it is now, I think.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
But it's still pretty ere, but it changes. I listened
to my first album sometimes and there's this thing I
do with my throat and I'm.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Like, what, yeah, it's exactly the same thing. Oh, it's
like a it's a funny. You have to It takes
a while to learn to just like don't try to
like let the.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
Noise the sound come out.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
It's almost like, don't even think about singing. Just let
the sentiment of the lyrics. Think about the lyric, and
that helps.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
Don't think about.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Notes, don't ever think that's because that's when you're like
you're like you're thinking like a keyboard and like, don't
let you don't sing that way.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, and then you sound funny. Did you sing as
a kid?
Speaker 6 (06:33):
No, No, really, no started singing until till well college.
I had a band that was like a guided my Voices,
you know, sort of pavement type of band, and that's
but that was more just screaming, you know, okay, and
or shouting or yelping.
Speaker 7 (06:49):
But it wasn't ntil till this.
Speaker 8 (06:51):
Till we got We used my brother and I to say,
like Matt would come hear our college band, because we
all moved to New York around the same time.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
But they that was working in Project Nim.
Speaker 8 (06:59):
It was Aaron and I had a little band and
we'd play it like the coffee shop and Matt and
Scott would come.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Wonder Woman says, we were kind of that's like the
older brother.
Speaker 8 (07:07):
We were kind of obsessed with him, and Aaron would
always be like, God, if only he could sing.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Ah, that's so funny. You just had the vibe.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
He had the vibe he had like, yeah, he had
a vibe of like the front man.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
But so how did it actually happen?
Speaker 6 (07:22):
We're just saying anyway, I mean yeah, we just like,
well maybe he can't.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
He could write before he could sing.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, yeah, were you writing poetry?
Speaker 7 (07:29):
And actually no, yeah, I don't know at all.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
I started it all around the same time we used
so we had a band in college and we'd write
the lyrics ourselves and it was so refreshing when finally,
like like just to handle, we wrote wonder Woman says
we didn't write that, okay, but Brian wrote that.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Actually Brian writes good lyrics. Or drummer your drummer.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
He's one of my favorite band rock drummers. Yeah, he's
an incredible drummer. He's unique.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
What does Scott calls him? More machine organic or something.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Oh, that's a good way to describe it.
Speaker 8 (08:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's well, in the national he's machine organic.
But the minimum you put him on like other kinds
of music, he's like he can be like he's like
a he can do anything. I can play jazz or
you know. But in the band he definitely has a
sort of machine like quality.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
No, there's a sound for sure, but it's special. So
he writes lyrics too.
Speaker 8 (08:22):
He's he was a book editor in New York in
the early days, and he's like very literate, like very
very incredibly smart, and so yeah, he's good at writing lyrics,
but he doesn't write national lyrics.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
That's me.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
He doesn't write it. He needs to write more. Yeah,
he's he's got other projects. But but he's Yeah, I
think he's timid about it or something.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
But lyrics are one of the hardest things ever.
Speaker 7 (08:45):
I always talk about lyrics.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
It's like, I mean, seventy five percent of the thought
process is just trying to avoid bad lyrics, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, you know, but then you kind of edit yourself
as you're going.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
Yeah, it's sometimes you'll try to let go of that,
you know, and just like who cares, Like, like, even
if it's a cliche, it's like it's appropriate at this moment,
you know.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, if your heart feels it and you mean it
when you're saying it, cliches are okay, Yeah, it's well.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
Yeah, it's like like anybody, like whenever somebody can work
in love into a song anywhere.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
You know, I mean I try to avoid the word
love at all, Yeah, but.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Sometimes like happens, that's that's the only word that works here.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
You know exactly. Yeah, And like if you try to
change one of those words for something more clever. It
sounds pretentious. Yeah, you know, yeah, so.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
It's it's, it is, it's it's mostly it's a trick
of trying to not annoy yourself.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
See what else's last?
Speaker 6 (09:39):
If I take everything that's awful away, like I try
to see it, that's a song.
Speaker 9 (09:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I stopped caring as much until it's time to record
or something, and then then once I actually hear it recorded,
I'm like, that is horrible. Let's change that. But you know,
no one will ever hear except us. It's the best.
Where did you guys record this? Did you record it
up at the Upstate at the Long Pond?
Speaker 8 (10:05):
Most of the recording of this album was done at
Long Pond, which is the studio that Aaron built near
Hudson and Steveson. But then we also because of like
the pandemic, and then we had a tour that kind
of was planned for the album released, but we didn't
finish the album, so we ended up on the road.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
With there were some Berlin sessions.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
With Berlin that's kind of exciting Omaha and.
Speaker 8 (10:31):
South of France near me, and it kind of and
so it's interesting part of the story is that it's
sort of the record. We also recorded a bit on
the road, like on stage like live, you know, because
we travel with approach tools rig and say, like I
tracked a lot of live guitars from stage actually, which
is we've never We've always wanted to do and never did.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
That's cool. You just kind of threw stuff at it
as you.
Speaker 8 (10:53):
Went, yeah, and it kind of gave it a chance
to like breathe a little bit. And because we've always
had this sort of process in the studio, that's one thing.
And then when the songs go on the road, they
naturally change and become sort of more full blooded. So
this one felt like a good you know, there's some
of the songs really do feel live.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, I mean songs are alive, I think, and I
think they have they go through different things.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Yeah, they evolve, and they get they get older, and they.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
Change a lot.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
Is I think we've been pretty good about letting our songs.
Speaker 7 (11:26):
Like go through like stages of life or whatever.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
I mean, I think it's part of like the type
of band we are that we never sound like there's
one sound. I mean, you know, maybe Matt's voice or
Brian's drums. It's probably the sound. But and then the
whole songwriting side up were pretty harsh with our songs,
so like they need to stand up. Like what we're
doing right now, we're just reinventing them completely. Like if
the songs can't stand up to that, then they're not
(11:50):
they might not be worthy.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Songs or something.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
Yeah, there might be a couple examples of things that
were more like sonic experiments that only work in a
certain way or something.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
Like all of our.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Records, all of our records are songs in their young
baby form.
Speaker 9 (12:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I feel like that too. Unless you're working stuff out
live before you record them, there's no way for it
to be anything else.
Speaker 7 (12:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, And we don't do that.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
We don't do that as much as is maybe I think,
I don't know, I think it'd be good to take
things live there whenever we do, it's just like it
turns into something else.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
But I'm not sure I did that a few times
early on. I used to do songs before I recorded
them for a long time. And I have this one
song that we did for like a year on the
road and then I recorded it and I just could
not find it, you know, I mean, and the song
was solid. I loved the song, but it couldn't find
(12:48):
the version. And I think because there's something about that
first baby version of songs that is really special personally.
But I've never had good luck in the reverse.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Music before you know it that way.
Speaker 8 (13:02):
Like for me, for instance, I have I find my
guitar parts, and the most interesting moment is before I
really know them, like when I'm just and something will happen.
But the minute you like get on stage in front
of a lot of people and it becomes a sort
of confidence like that. You know, there's a sort of
performative thing that if then, is not always super interesting
on record, you know. Yeah, I mean it can be,
but it can also feel cocky or it can feel
(13:24):
like totally sort of hammed up or something where you're
overdoing a part or whatever, so that thethinghurst.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, so it's not it's not as raw. So I
don't know.
Speaker 7 (13:36):
Yeah, it's a weird.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
It's weird about some songs just like to be in
a like to be stay in a studio and have
that intimate you know, headphone vibe, and the other ones
just want to whatever.
Speaker 7 (13:47):
They just want to be something else. You kind of
let them see what happens.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, they want to fly. Do you guys change your
arrangements up based on years of doing stuff and letting
that happen on stage.
Speaker 8 (13:58):
I mean we often you and because we like to
improvise on stage. So sometimes songs will like very often
what happens is like a crazy outro or something. It's
like about today is this old song of ours that
has this like insane ultro that just happened once. So
that's always fun.
Speaker 7 (14:14):
You know.
Speaker 8 (14:15):
All we probably should do is just make a like
make a live record someday.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Squalar Victoria, does that have an outro on them?
Speaker 7 (14:20):
No?
Speaker 8 (14:21):
Scholar Victoria is another one that became this It's a
Boxer song that was always a weird song. Frankly that
that's a good example of something that like even on
the record, it's just it's like this has this crazy
string arrangement and it's even calling it a song. It
was a piece of music that usually like Matt gets
the final say on what becomes a song because if
he doesn't finish the lyrics, yes, song on Boxer there
(14:43):
wasn't a song, but we we liked the music.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
So much that.
Speaker 8 (14:45):
We kept it right up until the last night and
then Matt and then Matt finally wrote something that's almost
more like a like this was like a very underwritten song,
and Peter Katis, who would produce that record, was.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Like, Matt, you're ruining the song. Why are you singing
on it?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
He literally told me ied it.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
I'm just tried.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
That's funny, but it's become really cool live the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, yeah, it's different, it becomes something totally different. Yeah, funny,
that's cool. Well, you want to try another song from
the new record?
Speaker 10 (15:19):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I love the new record. I'm so excited, are you?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
You feel good now that it's out. It's always like
so long until you can put it out right.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
I'm glad I don't have to talk about it anymore.
I just have to play it.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, yeah, I won't make you get too detailed.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
No, this is the last time.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
This is the last time we'll talk about it.
Speaker 9 (15:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I was reading that New York Times piece today and
I was like, oh my gosh, they're really you're putting
a lot out there talking about it as well, like
talking about depression and everything.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
I mean, when we finally finished the record and like
listening to the songs and knowing like what the actual
process we got there, It's like I can't, I can't.
It's like the whole record is is saying this is
where what was happening? So yeah, trying to turn to
avoid talking about it was was gonna be silly, but yeah, yeah,
it was. It was, it was. It was.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
It was a.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
Struggle to get out of a long, dark writers block
period for me and under depression. And yeah, we were
we were very much not sure if if this continuing,
this whole band thing was such a great idea, you know,
it's like it would you know.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
And I and because I didn't have any songs, but.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
We eventually sort of just back getting back in the
studio and get them back on the road and just
getting reconnecting. You know that I think that all the
isolation had caught up with me and that was the
one thing that.
Speaker 7 (16:41):
Sort of broke broke the spell.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
And it took a while before we were able to
you know, start to pull pull together a record. And
when we did, we then when at some point we
started writing a lot and a lot of these were written.
This one that was written pretty late, right and then.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, for me, one of the last ones, this is.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
The last song on the record, and it was it
was the one the finally like getting all the depression
stuff out of my system and then writing one that's
just like like like being supported, trying to be there
for other people where all the yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
It's beautiful. I can feel that, the lyric is so
great and I just feel like, you know, man.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
Yeah, this is the this is the song where where
the clouds finally it's we made a very dar dark record,
but yeah, the clouds were pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I have to say.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
It was Britial, but it was like really the process
of coming out of the storm, and it was really
you know, it was like this journey personally, lyrically, musically, yeah,
and so you know every step of the way. It's
kind of like there's the album that people here now
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and you hear some of that, but there was also
this sort of longer arc that wasn't just suffering, you
know that I think that in that there there was
a lot of beauty in there. Like there would be
moments where Matt would sing like two words but they
were really powerful, you know, and like it was kind
of and then yeah, this song is sort of the
big time, the clouds partying and the words.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Fuck me, no, they weren't, they weren't. There was none
of that.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
It was once it started, once it started kind of
taking sort of a shape.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
It was.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
The record itself was kind of like the thing that
kind of changed the whole dynamic.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
And you know, the record itself changed the weather, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, So music is magic, shall we say.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
It can be medicinal.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
It can be medicinal. It can also be really hard.
So that that being stuck and not not knowing when
it's coming back must have.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
Been very Yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:59):
Yeah, you know, I was definitely like that, I don't
it seems to be gone. Yeah, that was that was it,
because I've been doing it for twenty years. And my
brother was like, why don't you just like write about
like the depression, make something out of it. And that's like,
it's all I've been doing, you know, for twenty years.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
That's all.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Like all of our songs are about that one way
or another. I think most songs are, you know somewhere
I have that in there. But so like I was
like I did, I didn't want to write any more
about it.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
But I had to.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
You know, you just you write what you're feeling. And
but that's why people respond to it, because everybody it's
like a real, true, raw feeling that people can relate to.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Yeah, so I like to.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
Say this record about Franko zeon Er, this is about
aliens or stuff like that. But all those songs about
aliens are all about you know, not none of them
about aliens, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So yeah, it's hard to play choy. Yeah, yeah, well
I love this one.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
Send for me, the.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
One, and it's where the clouds finally park.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
If you ever sitting at the airport and.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
You don't want to leave, don't even know what you're
there for, send for me. If you ever hurts again
in an evader full of bachelorette.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Corner it in and it's taken for a.
Speaker 10 (20:44):
Please don't forget.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Send for me wheneverwhere, Send for me, I'll come and
get you.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Send for me whenever where.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
If you ever had a glass top table selling your ideas,
just swivel chair in under lyne suit, just stop.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
See if you're singing in a song music with that
to drop to.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Drink and you can't even make eye contact, can he.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Even think.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
Seem for me OneWorld, Send for me, I'll can get you.
Sound for me one er world, seem for me, weneverworld,
send for me.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
I thought you'd never send for me. Run over, wear out, run.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
Out, run out, run out to me, Now run out,
run out, I'm pulled le a right, run out, run out,
run out, run out to me. Now run out and
run out, run out to me. Now run out, run out,
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I'm pull run around, run.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Out and run out, run out, run out to me.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Now, if you're ever in a Sikia trop greenhouse, will
slip on shoes?
Speaker 5 (22:47):
What a smile on the shadow proof wonders, I'll know
what to do.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
If you're ever in a gift shop of time inside
filling up with you.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Because you thought of somebody you.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Love when you haven't seen you, send for me? Will
never aware ever send for me. I'll come and get you.
Send for me, will ever aware?
Speaker 10 (23:26):
Send for me?
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Will never aware am.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Send for me?
Speaker 11 (23:31):
I thought you'd never send for me. Whenever send for me?
Will ever awarever?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Send for me?
Speaker 5 (23:48):
I've come, s been got you send for me?
Speaker 9 (23:51):
Will ever awherever?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
That's great. That's a fun one to play, really nice. Yeah,
that seems like when I want to hear your version anytime.
I like singing harmony on it. Yeah, it was like
a it feels good to say those words. It's just
like special.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
Yeah, this one is like the comfort Yeah, at the
end of a kind of a I mean, the whole
record is kind of a comfort record honestly, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yeah, but this one's where it's like the fever breaks,
you know.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, it's beautiful. We should jam war. This is fun.
Let's do another one from the new record? Is that cool?
Or should we mix it up? Or let's do an
We're a new record mode.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
So this one, let's do This isn't helping, okay, which
is before.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
The Sun's hence the title. Yeah, how does it feel
talking about all this?
Speaker 7 (24:58):
I'm I'm I'm happy to get it out of my system.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Yeah, it's like I mean, like I said, there was
no where to talk about this record without talking about it.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Is it slightly therapeutic to kind of revisit.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
It in or not?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
No?
Speaker 6 (25:13):
I think it's it'll be good to I think it'll
be good to take the like sing them live and
put in front of people and stuff like that.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
These they it's kind of like a wound that needs
some air and sunlight, you know. Yeah, it's like so yeah,
I feel like releasing the record is like finally.
Speaker 8 (25:32):
I mean I think, like all your lyrics for me,
that there's this story, the personal story, which felt important.
You know, we've been sharing it because it's what happened
and there's no way around it. But I think that
the work stands apart from it. Also that like many
I mean how much, I think it's also sort of
for us been this. We kind of got away with
(25:53):
it for so many years of sort of just doing
our thing and and it never grabbed us. And then
you know, this was sort of this period of time
where it was hard. But I think that so much,
so much art and so much music, you know, does
have pain in it, but it also has beauty and
it has you know, so that like did I hear
all kinds of other things and these like when I
(26:14):
listened to that song, it doesn't I'm not hearing your.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Depression at all.
Speaker 8 (26:17):
Yeah yeah, actually, yeah, So I think in probably in
five years and ten years, we'll look back and be like,
oh wait, how.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Are we doing back then?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And I remember yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's
like yeah, or the other.
Speaker 8 (26:28):
Thing that's come up in this you know, there's been
every every band member has had their period of you know,
and actually we've.
Speaker 7 (26:37):
We've all struggled, I know, everybody else.
Speaker 8 (26:39):
I mean there was I had my own sort of
like there was a I was supporting you, but I
was also to rest, you know, that was the pandemic was.
It was a tricky time for me too, just being
so far away from everyone.
Speaker 10 (26:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
Yeah, I live in France and I was you were
in France. Yeah, it was the longest I've not seen
any of my bandmates or you know.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
My brother or my family.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, you were isolated over there.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Really isolated.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
We already live in the countryside, and it was just
and I think that, Yeah, it was just it was
kind of, you know, a moment of reckoning with a
lot of things, and probably you know, for quite a while,
I was thinking this is probably the end of the band,
and so it was sort of facing that down. That's
very Yeah, yeah, you know, just missing it. But I
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was saying, like, you know, we've all we've been a
band for more than twenty years, so we've each you know,
each of us have had our periods where you know,
we've each gone through things, and so there's this kind
of and it's it's woven, whether it's in the lyrics
or not, it's sort of woven into the history of it,
you know, and like a family, you.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Know, yeah, well it is a family.
Speaker 9 (27:41):
Yeah right.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
The truth is these songs are all about those guys. Really,
it's mostly about their problems. This isn't about me.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
But it must be so weird to be in a
band for so long and then all live in different places.
That seems difficult. But I just have to get together.
Speaker 8 (28:00):
Yeah, we we we lived in the early days, we
were like properly a band and working stuff out in
the rehearsal room. And then but even by Alligator two
thousand and five or so, I remember I lived in
a house with Matt, but we were emailing each other demos,
you know, working.
Speaker 7 (28:16):
I used to make him dinner.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
I would make him I would make him dinner and
leave it outside his door when he was writing, and
then he would he would open it and he just
pushed it played out like empty.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah yeah yeah, so yeah, but but but yes, it.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
Was a period of like we all lived in Brooklyn
on the same street for at least ten years, I think,
you know, we're and it was like a beautiful time,
you know, it was a wonderful And I think that's
part of like missing that, you know it. We'd kind
of we'd been touring so much, we'd gotten so used
to being around each other, but we'd also become sort
of like, you know, like we were phantoms of ourselves,
(28:52):
like we weren't we were there, but we weren't really there,
just sort of going through the motions of being you know,
like just doing what we could do to get by
and play the music.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
You know.
Speaker 8 (28:59):
But I think this whole process has been sort of
good for us to reconnect with the actual humans, you know,
like with each other and.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
With the Yeah, well it's easy to for it's easy
to skate over stuff when you're so busy and you know,
everybody's got family, right and you're playing music on tour
and there's a schedule to keep up with, and then
the pandemic just everything stopped and you realized you needed
that connection I did anyway with people that you know.
Speaker 8 (29:26):
The other thing I didn't realize is like like playing
music with people, you know, there's no other nothing replaces it,
you know, Nope, it doesn't. And I don't mean like
playing in front of ten thousand people. I mean actually
just playing three people in a room. There's a there's
it like an energy and a connection.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
The wires are literally like cross crossing and the current
like but when we when you send stuff back and forth,
sometimes that that just the electricity you know, of of
different vibes and people are just are mixing at the
same time.
Speaker 7 (29:55):
Yeah, all it's happening in the same bowl of soup
a little bit.
Speaker 8 (29:59):
But that has a harder job because he doesn't have
an instrument to hide behind. But but we love like
just even doing It's like one thing I love is
I playing music in a room with Matt and you
can see if he's reacting physically that it's you know,
like you like see his foot tap.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
And we could just move the piano in the front
and I'll just and I'll just hide behind the piano.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
You can just that's what I usually do.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
Yeah, I'll just be back there, like looking over like
kil Roy with my microphone over, are.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
You playing piano? On a lot of who's playing piano?
Speaker 7 (30:27):
And I don't play anything?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Don't you just want to hide behind?
Speaker 7 (30:29):
I just literally underneath.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
It's a good one to hide behind.
Speaker 8 (30:32):
Aaron and I play. We both learned piano. I think
actually I was the first to start like fake Empire
was me and that was like the first piano song
on Boxer.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
That's my favorite piano part. It's really hard to cop to.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
It.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
It's like chopsticks but with a difficult rhythm.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
I'm not even gonna.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I wanted to do that one, and then I was
trying to learn it, and then I will happily right now,
yeah to me, after we're doing let's do this news
song from the new record. This isn't helping.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
This isn't helping.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
This was about trying everything and just none of that
really working until just time and friendship, I think is
the thing that made it anyway.
Speaker 10 (31:14):
Sorry, I cannot believe what you get away with.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
You find beauty and the thing I never you look
down into a sue, you see diamond.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
It isn't fair how you know, like you trap It's
if you couldn't care any left. And I'm here kicking
myself to keep from crying. You see you're around cry
But this isn't.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Handling, and it only makes me want to get it
further wrong. This isn't handling and this is a helping.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
You can say that this doesn't have to hope get
there if you need to be found. Can't you see
that that makes it's so much worse. I'll always see you.
(33:02):
Maybe in time we can give one more shock. But
let's think of bout what matters now. Keep kicking yourself
to keep from cry.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
That you're so bad because this season hand be. I
know you think it's kindness, but it's not. This is
a happy this season, Candy, don't say that all your phone.
(33:48):
I know your back cannot come in. But would your life.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Be so bad.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
If you know every single thought I had?
Speaker 12 (34:04):
Because I only have two things to say to you,
but you say two things about everything be.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Well, just when I thought you don't even noted me
at this season have been.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Had?
Speaker 13 (34:30):
It only makes me want to get further. This season
haven't been. This season have been?
Speaker 5 (34:47):
This season haven't been.
Speaker 13 (34:50):
And I know you think it's carry its burst now,
this season't have been.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
This is yeah cool, that's cool, Yeah cool.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Who's singing on that one?
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Phoebe Bridges singing from Yeah it sounds great.
Speaker 7 (35:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
She sings on a couple of songs, that one and
another one.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Yeah, she really she brought in like that sort of
that it needed some like tender tender voices and yeah
real you know, and she's got one of those voices
that just sounds like like a cashmere, you know, sweater
that just feels just really comforting.
Speaker 7 (35:47):
So yeah, so you have a lot of these.
Speaker 6 (35:51):
There's like my my wife writes with me a lot,
So we've we've incorporated a lot of different vocalists I think,
to give to give songs in like some other layer
of perspective and some other other you know, not literally
another voice, but like metaphorically and other voices coming in
because she writes.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
So much with me, So I like that. And also
your voice is so deep and manly. It's really such
a nice juxtaposition to have.
Speaker 7 (36:22):
You know, it can lift, it can sometimes.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
They know, I'm not saying you need it.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
I'm not saying you need it. I'm just saying it's
a beautiful. It's a beautiful combo, you know.
Speaker 7 (36:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
Yeah, yeah, we've been really lucky to have so many,
so many Soufian included and stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Oh yeah, Stevens.
Speaker 8 (36:39):
Yeah, we always thought there were like two ways to
do the band one would be just the five of
us and sort of staring at our shoes or whatever,
which there's other bands that do that way better than us,
you know, or to kind of have the wind windows
open and the doors open and let you know, others in.
And it's been since really pretty early on that we've
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had like really amazing collaborators and Yeah, and then it
kind of went to it's like Apex and on the
last record where we really Matt kind of handed the
the mic over, where you know, half the songs are
really sung by other people, by women, which is really
like a wonderful album for us. But this record we
wanted to come back to kind of more to what
(37:21):
we do as the five of us. But once we
heard it was sort of.
Speaker 9 (37:24):
This song and.
Speaker 8 (37:26):
You know, the song once Upontiple Cybersuian sings or the
alkaht wor Tailor sings that we felt like those songs
really felt like they could use we kind of you know,
but we weren't. We didn't plan for it, but just
felt like musically like it really made a lot of
sense to have guests on those.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Yeah, I've actually never wanted to like hide behind like
have other people sing these songs more so than in
this record. But Aaron was like, no, no, let's let's
like I don't want any even to look at me
or you know, I don't want to talk about anything.
And he's like, great, we're going to put a spotlight
on you and like turn you way up.
Speaker 7 (37:56):
And yeah, he's right.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
He's like he's as kind of really found really a
good way. He's hones in on, like where the emotional
center is like the most you know, it's the most
important part or something. Yeah, and he's like working with
Taylor and working with people like, I think he's really
starting to kind of do that.
Speaker 7 (38:19):
More now, you know more. Sometimes I'm like bury me,
and I'd much rather be buried.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
No, but you can't be buried with with lyrics like
this and emotion like this and a voice like you have.
It's like, it's the thing if somebody else were to
sing these.
Speaker 7 (38:33):
Songs, Yeah, this one had to be pretty.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
It had to be you. Yeah, you know, it's it's great.
And when you're talking about Taylor, you're talking about Taylor Swift. Yes,
just for people she sings on on the album. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
she said.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
A song called the Outcot, which I was writing kind
of about about writing with my wife and stuff and
so and so she kind of came in and brought
in this perspective as a writer who writes, you know,
with collaborates with with people, and and so she she
jumped in and kind of put the other perspective and
wrote all her lines and all her lyrics are just
(39:11):
responding to me.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
I like that at the time.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I like that that way of writing. Yeah, nice.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
And she wrote it really fast and just kind of
listened to what I was saying and then and then
answered back and just get a gay you know, just
just filled in the whole other side of the conversation.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
It was.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
It was very cool.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
It's cool. It's like a real exchange.
Speaker 7 (39:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, don't you think that collaborating feeds you? I find
That's what kind of I'm doing this, you know, is
that I feel like collaborating with other musicians. I can't
really be in a room just by myself playing only.
I feed off of that and it informs everything I do.
And like even learning your songs today, you know, who
knows what's going to pop out in the future from
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certain chord changes that I'm putting together, listening to your songs.
You know, I just find that it's my favorite thing
and it's it's the most exciting thing to me musically.
Has been lucky to bounce around like that.
Speaker 6 (40:06):
We've been able to collaborate with so deeply with people
like souf Yaan and Phoebe and Taylor, but then also
like the Grateful Dead, you guys like you know, like
the two thirds of our band, like was you know,
played with Bob Weird for for several months of a
tour and.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Like, wait, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah, have you not heard our six hours?
Speaker 5 (40:23):
I'm sorry you.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
We probably called you for it, but we couldn't get
through the walls.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
I didn't know about that.
Speaker 8 (40:29):
Yeah, it's it's we'll let We'll let you. We'll list
leave that in the air so you can go here.
But yeah, we made it for the Red Hot charity.
They did a thing called Day of the Dead, which
was yeah, big sprawling, Grateful Dead tribute records.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
We had some spare time.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
So but then like I remember, like I think collaborating
with Kim and Kelly Deal like was also one of
those like oh, there's like all kinds of ways to
think about song.
Speaker 8 (40:54):
It's to learn you know, it's wonderful to hear like
how you phrase and how you like how you'll take
a chord and just voice it differently or you know,
it's every time that happens. And I think probably for
my brother and I because we're not you know, the
lead singer or like, it's it's just by nature of
being twins and being born collaborators. It's kind of that
(41:16):
is the thing basically that music is. And yeah, it's
also the thing that music is something that's we're better
you know, not in isolation for the most part, you know,
And so yeah, that's yeah, but that that thing is
like always learning, Like even I love, you know, working
with people who are really different, who are not coming
you know, coming from a totally different you Always there's
(41:39):
always something, even if it feels sort of uncomfortable at first,
there's always something to be to be found, you know.
So yeah, like or like it could be processed, or
it could be something they're doing with technology or something
that you know, yeah that you know.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
I used to sort of think, oh, technology, it's not
real music. I mean, I'm completely on the other side
of that now. There's no wrong way to do music,
and there's there's always something to learn, no matter how
good you are. You know what I mean. It's the best.
It's my favorite thing. Did you guys want to try
(42:12):
that song? You made this song for a movie.
Speaker 7 (42:15):
Made a song for well, this wasn't in the play.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
This is for Serrah No the movie.
Speaker 9 (42:20):
This was in the movie, right, and it actually was.
Speaker 7 (42:22):
It was it was. It was the title sequence at
the end of the movie.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
And it's never been played.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
You've never played it, no, oh no.
Speaker 8 (42:30):
And in fact, the version we wrote it Matt and
I on guitar and that, and then the version of
the movie is with piano, so we could yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
We could try it.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I like, I want you to take the lead on
it so I can sprinkle a little.
Speaker 8 (42:42):
The film is Syrraho where we it's a it's actually
a musical, and we wrote all the songs Oh my god, yeah,
and which was yeah.
Speaker 7 (42:51):
Hayley Bennett sing all the songs.
Speaker 8 (42:52):
Yeah, it's so crazy. It was a crazy experience. Joe
Wright directed it and I know him.
Speaker 7 (42:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
It was like a beautiful Yeah.
Speaker 6 (42:59):
It was a lot that has a long, like really
fun creative adventure through through you know, New York theater
and then into in the film and then you were
there when they shot it in Italy, right, you were
during COVID.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
But yeah, and this song was like.
Speaker 8 (43:16):
We wrote like we would write a national song, and
then it just made sense for to put at the
end of this film.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
I think that's great. What I'm also what a fun
experience to do that different?
Speaker 8 (43:27):
Yeah too, it was it was like for years of
just writing songs for ourselves and sending to write songs
for other people to sing was not not the easiest leap,
but we it was really fun.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (43:38):
Yeah, for me, the biggest challenge was like trying to
write for all the literally different characters and also moving
story along and trying.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
To like and that that's a totally different way.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Parst of my.
Speaker 6 (43:51):
Songs are such collage bits and pieces, but to like
have you know, write with conversations back and forth and like,
you know, moving it moving up a plot points along
inside songs.
Speaker 7 (44:03):
Yeah, because like it was was really fun and challenging.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
But I might call you. I might be working on
a musical, so I might help me.
Speaker 10 (44:11):
What do I do?
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Yeah, it's an it's an advanture, it's a call. Yeah, Yeah,
I have some good advice about that. Okay, I try this.
Speaker 7 (44:21):
Yeah, M.
Speaker 5 (44:35):
What can I say anything? It never has no means.
I can't read them, can't speak. I don't know what
I feel.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
That wasn't me.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
I don't know who that was.
Speaker 6 (45:03):
That was somebody desperate, someone in love. Why can't I
tell anybody the truth? I'm somebody desperate.
Speaker 7 (45:17):
I don't know what to do.
Speaker 5 (45:24):
You have no d do, but I do. I just
don't know what to say because I'm so so afraid.
Speaker 6 (45:43):
That was in me.
Speaker 5 (45:45):
I don't know who that was.
Speaker 6 (45:48):
That was somebody desperate, someone in love. Why can't I
te anybody the truth? Somebody desperate, somebody just like you.
Speaker 5 (46:09):
No, you won't on the stand, but go away through.
Speaker 6 (46:15):
But sometimes I think, Yo, my twins, Sometimes I'm so confused.
Speaker 5 (46:28):
I wasn't me. I don't know who that was.
Speaker 6 (46:32):
That was somebody desperate, someone in load. Why can't I
tell anybody the truth? I'm somebody desperately. Don't know what
to do, just don't want a little.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
That was pretty?
Speaker 7 (47:33):
That was great, right?
Speaker 5 (47:34):
Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (47:35):
The version never played before And you've never done this live. No,
you've never played it in the same room.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Oh really, you recorded it?
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Kind of you send a Guitar Party.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
This came out. That movie came out not like during
the pandemic era.
Speaker 7 (47:49):
Yeah, in the pandemic and and shot in the pandemic.
Speaker 9 (47:56):
Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 8 (47:58):
I think people will come to it over time. It's
it's beautiful. Peter Dinglish is like amazing.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
He's incredible, you know.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
He's like such a well.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
I think it's such a cool I didn't see it,
but I did read about it, and it's such a
cool idea to remake that story.
Speaker 7 (48:13):
You and Aaron performed live with him on what television show?
It was a Colbert.
Speaker 8 (48:18):
He's saying, Peter has a remarkably similar range vocally to Matt,
which was like a terrible handicap for him at first
because he was so like, because he loves Matt, It's
just like I just selling Mat but not as good.
But eventually he started to kind of find his own
way with So we wrote these songs with Matt and
then gave him the Peter and then yeah, he just
(48:40):
inhabited this character.
Speaker 6 (48:41):
I remember I kept saying, like, I like, don't sing,
don't even I mean, like the notes are there, but
like you like, just like I think I'm more I
feel like I'm acting more than I am singing.
Speaker 7 (48:52):
You know, I don't think like if you start thinking
about your voice, like we.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
Were saying, yeah you embody, those sounds weird.
Speaker 6 (48:57):
So most of the time I'm just I'm actually just
trying to like sing as little as possible and just
be genuine inside the content.
Speaker 7 (49:05):
Of the words you or whatever.
Speaker 6 (49:07):
Yeah, and it'll naturally, you know, fallow a melody. So
I think really getting him to not worry about his
singing at all was was the thing.
Speaker 7 (49:16):
I think.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Enough actually sing.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Yeah, you have a non singer trying to sing, and
you're like, don't think about singing. It's like it's probably bad.
Speaker 8 (49:24):
Words for theaters, like a great stage actor. He comes
from New York theater and so, and he was doing
this thing like naturally to like sing to the back
of the room, you know, in film, because it's they
can make it up. So it's like sort of convincing
him that like the softer sounds and his voice were
also interesting, and so he kind of started to really
inhabit these more interior which is what Matt does, you know,
(49:46):
instead of just like projecting all the time. It's like
some of the softer sounds are good, and but it
was interesting as a musical, you know, the Nationals. It
was like the best version of that I think that
we could do. But obviously our our music is not
the sort of like full hearted Broadway sound or whatever.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
It was very different.
Speaker 8 (50:05):
It tends to be what people expect out of a
film musical as a sort of like show numbers, you know,
and so this is this very understated version of that.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
You know.
Speaker 6 (50:14):
Yeah, it's somewhere between between with the Tom Waits Black
Writer and Le Mis or somewhere between those in terms
of the musical.
Speaker 8 (50:24):
But there's some really like we're really quite proud of
a bunch of the songs in it, and this one
was like a sort of interesting one where it kind
of like we did it and sort of forgot about it.
And when you asked us to do this podcast, I
thought we could do that songs we've never done it.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Yeah, it's fun to do stuff that you forget about.
Speaker 6 (50:41):
Speaking of things we've forgotten about, this is you wanted
to do a CEO love which which ever done like
an acoustic version.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
No, but we're happy to try.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Let's try it. I love this song and I thought
it could be cool stripped back, And I also loved
the idea of singing maybe maybe the verse and then
and then you want me to step out for maybe
maybe just for the first and then, but you got
to come back in on the the rest of it
pretty much, So you want me to stay out in
(51:10):
the I don't know, and I don't know what the.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
Switch that you this is trouble will find me, which
is ten years old.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 7 (51:22):
Come in on. I see people on the floor, I
see people.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Maybe, Yeah, definitely come in there. Also, I'll need a
little help, but I kind of feel like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
Let's just try whatever.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
Yeah, I think definitely come in there. Definitely be in
on that. Yeah, because I'll be in with you and
it'll be cool. I just want to sing in octaves
with you so bad because I never get to sing
with someone with a voice as low as yours, and
it's it's really special for me.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Actually, yeah, yeah verse that' that'd be great. Okay, Okay,
we got it, we do got it.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
This is actually really my heart's like racing a little bit.
It's so fun.
Speaker 14 (52:13):
Oh we say love me jump Parma supposed to no.
Speaker 5 (52:31):
Where you go and.
Speaker 14 (52:34):
Ways word of mass supposed.
Speaker 9 (52:42):
To say, I see people on the floor. They slid
into the.
Speaker 5 (52:57):
See can't stay here round. We're sending to fie.
Speaker 6 (53:11):
If I stay here, trouble find me. If I stay here,
I believe.
Speaker 5 (53:25):
If I stay tru find me, I believe. Should always
think of you as coming the child who knew. Mm
(53:50):
hmmm this was never going a life. Old Joe, you
feel so fat?
Speaker 15 (54:11):
Hey Joe, Sia Hurdship. They say love is a merch
You don't thing, hey, jo Sia Hurship. They say love
is a virtue. Don't he job, Sarah Hurshiper. They said
(54:34):
love is a virt you tell thing, Hey, Joe, Sara Hurdship.
Speaker 5 (54:42):
They said love is a virtue, tell't thing?
Speaker 9 (54:47):
Some people love the floor.
Speaker 16 (54:52):
They slam to the see can't stay here? Meeting them to.
Speaker 5 (55:09):
I see you Russian? Then tell me how to reach you?
Speaker 9 (55:14):
I see you Russian?
Speaker 5 (55:16):
Then what if har I teach you? I see you Russian?
That tell me how to reach you?
Speaker 9 (55:25):
I see you Russian?
Speaker 5 (55:27):
Then what did I have to teach you?
Speaker 6 (55:30):
I tried su tell.
Speaker 5 (55:33):
Me how to reach you.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
I tried to see.
Speaker 9 (55:39):
What did ham to teach you?
Speaker 5 (55:41):
I try.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Tell me how to.
Speaker 5 (55:46):
I tried what in habit teach you? I see.
Speaker 14 (55:55):
Tell me Heaven beat a frig mans.
Speaker 3 (56:10):
That feel pretty really good. That's super good. Yeah, good,
we did it. That's cool.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
Yay, that was fun.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
It's good to work on something and now we don't.
Speaker 12 (56:21):
Have to hear it for tour.
Speaker 4 (56:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:22):
I know you're good and you can do your acoustic.
Speaker 3 (56:24):
Version now and we want to do it, like perform
it now. You can call you and you like come
join us on stage on dis Yeah.
Speaker 7 (56:30):
That was awesome. That was great.
Speaker 1 (56:31):
That was fun. Thanks for letting me sing it with you.
Speaker 5 (56:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (56:35):
Yeah, are you available as a session musician because you're
really good.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
I'm always available, just so you know.
Speaker 3 (56:41):
I don't believe it.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
I love doing that stuff.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
Really, I'm down.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
I'm not going to make music anytime.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
Okay, we'll call you.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
Thanks for doing this so fun, so fun. I love
you guys. It was awesome and I want to come
see you now. Look me up in New York. I'm around.
Thanks for doing it. We brought it. I think it's great. Yeah,
thanks for listening. That was a great episode. We had
(57:10):
so much fun. That was beautiful. Matt's voice is so
deep and pensive, all of it.
Speaker 4 (57:16):
The music, the lyrics really sets a mood that you
can just kind of wallow in, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (57:21):
Oh my gosh, totally. Thanks to Matt and Bryce for
making it work out. Songs from this episode were Once
Upon a Pool side from the first two pages of
Frankenstein their new album Send for Me, also from that album,
This Isn't Helping, also from that album, Somebody Desperate from
(57:43):
the Sierra No soundtrack in two thousand and one, and
See of Love from Trouble Will Find Me, the twenty
thirteen national album. Don't Forget to like and subscribe us.
Please please like us, Please like and subscribe to us.
(58:04):
This episode was recorded at Night Bird Recording Studios, Los Angeles, California.
Recorded by Colton Lakey, assisted by Greg Buchanan, and mixed
by Jamie Landry. Edited by Sarah Oda. Additional engineering by
Greg Tobler and Pete rem artwork by Eliza Frye. Photography
by Shervin Linez, Coordinating producer Rachel Ward. Produced by Norah
(58:25):
Jones and Sarah Oda. Thanks for listening, y'all,
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