February 13, 2025 • 44 mins
Los Angeles-based digital artist Post Wook joins our podcast to share her fascinating artistic journey and how she found her niche in surreal landscape collage art. Transitioning from traditional mediums like painting and drawing to collage in 2007, she discovered a new realm of self-expression that was both liberating and transformative. Post Wook candidly discusses her initial skepticism toward the NFT market, a skepticism that quickly turned into curiosity after witnessing a friend's success. Her story highlights the importance of community, as she found camaraderie and inspiration on platforms like Clubhouse, where art and technology enthusiasts converge.
In our conversation, Post Wook opens up about the personal routines that keep her grounded, including her unique approach to stress-free mornings and the practicalities of managing crypto assets with hardware wallets. She shares her thoughts on the future of digital art, decentralization, and the intriguing challenges of copyright and open-source content in the evolving web three landscape. As we explore her artistic evolution, it's clear that Post Wook's journey is marked by a harmonious blend of art and tech, underscored by a genuine commitment to authenticity and meaningful connections in the crypto art space.
We also explore the deeper aspects of building relationships within the NFT community and beyond. Post Wook emphasizes the importance of distinguishing genuine connections from transactional interactions, drawing parallels to a collaborative startup culture where shared visions foster lasting bonds. Her love for California's diverse beauty and her aspirations for sustainable homesteading add a personal touch to the episode. Meanwhile, her adventurous involvement in space-themed projects, including sending personal audio files into space, showcases her innovative spirit. Join us for an inspiring conversation that paints a vivid picture of a life where art, technology, and dreams intersect.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
NorCal Guy (00:00):
Who is this guy?
Who is this guy?
Who is this?
Guy, norcal guy, norcal guy,norcal guy, norcal guy, norcal
guy.
Norcal guy, norcal guy, norcalguy NorCal and the Shield
Podcast.
Show.
It's show time, norcal and theShield Podcast.
(00:21):
What the Stop it the ShieldNorCal and the Shield Podcast.
What the the Shield NorahCowell and the Shield Podcast
Show.
It's show time.
Norah Cowell and the.
Shield Podcast.
What the the Shield?
Post Wook is a LosAngeles-based digital artist
mainly focused on surreallandscape collage art with
refined, visionary andpsychedelic elements.
(00:42):
Her style aims to be palatablefor both the seasoned psychonaut
and average Joe and everyone inbetween.
Her work combines snippets oflandscapes from all over the
globe to demonstrate howinterconnected we all truly are.
As a lifelong collager,postwook challenges perception
(01:07):
of shapes, color and texture tocreate entirely new universes
out of pre-existing photos.
Postwook picked up collage in2007 after drawing and painting
didn't feel quite right andalways stayed close to the
medium.
After completing universitywith a BA in political science
(01:30):
and working on a politicalcampaign, post Wilk felt
creatively starved and soughtout an outlet once more, turning
back to collage.
Freeing her inner child throughart was not only therapeutic
but eventually became anintegrated part of PostWook's
life as a self-taught artist.
(01:52):
She never intended to become aprofessional artist, but now
strongly believes in theimportance of therapeutic and
self-taught art.
Postwook strongly believes in afuture of digital art and
decentralization.
Her fascination with copyrightand open source content drive
(02:13):
her dialogue in the web threespace and she is committed to
asking challenging questions tobridge the gap between art and
technology.
Everybody, please welcome PostWook.
Hey Post Wook.
Welcome to the podcast.
How are you doing today?
Post Wook (02:31):
Hey, I'm great Nice.
Like great, I don't know.
I have nothing else to say, I'mjust great, awesome.
NorCal Guy (02:40):
I mean it's a super nice day up here where I am in
NorCal.
It's like 64 out.
It's perfect nice day up herewhere I am in NorCal.
It's like 64 out, it's perfect.
Post Wook (02:46):
It's 58 here, so I don't know how that happened,
but in SoCal, oh yeah, yeah,it's, yeah, it's a great day.
It's the middle of the week.
Woke up on time, I got this newalarm clock and it's like a
sunrise alarm clock, so it turnsred, orange, yellow and then it
(03:07):
just gets like brighter andthen birds chirp so I wake up
like snow white.
It's great, I love it.
I woke up to that this morning,had a great workout, just like
can't complain.
NorCal Guy (03:15):
That's awesome.
I like that that sounds reallynice and proper way to wake up.
Post Wook (03:20):
Not a fan of a beep.
Beep it like elevates yourstress levels like immediately.
It's not great, it's true.
NorCal Guy (03:26):
So do you have or use a hardware wallet?
Post Wook (03:31):
Yes, absolutely.
I will say there was a periodwhere I bought it and it was
like a few weeks before I set itup, but then I just started
thinking about it like a savingsaccount and I was like, oh, I
wouldn't want to keep all of myfiat in a savings account that
doesn't have any interest on it.
Why would I want to keep mycrypto in a hot wallet?
(03:54):
And then I set it upimmediately and I couldn't
imagine not having one at thispoint.
So you know, big fan.
NorCal Guy (04:00):
Once you set it up, you know it's pretty easy to use
.
It's a small learning curve.
Yeah, no reason, becausethey're like 80 bucks.
Post Wook (04:09):
Yeah, it's a write-off too.
And that's another thing yeah,LLCs, even in the non-crypto
world.
Then you can write off all yourfiat expenses.
It's awesome.
Speaking of tax season, Cool.
NorCal Guy (04:22):
I know what were your first thoughts when you
heard about crypto art or NFTs.
Post Wook (04:28):
It was like November of 2020.
And one of my business partnerscalled me and was like do you
know who Beeple is?
And I was like yeah, the guythat like posts weird things on
Facebook.
And I was like he was like yeah, I was like that was my
introduction to Beeple.
It was like 2016.
He was like posting like theseweird things and they were all
over Facebook.
And I was like okay, and he toldme that Beeple had just like
(04:51):
sold a whole bunch of his workfor all this money and I wasn't
like super interested in likeall the money.
I was like that seems kind offlashy, like I don't really care
, because at that time my focuswas very much on like customers
who were spending like 30 to $50on a print and those people
didn't have like $69 million.
You know, like at most theycould spend like 50 bucks on a
(05:11):
print on payday.
And I was like I just don'tknow, like I'm really I still am
I'm like very like ride or diefor my audience, especially on
Instagram, like I really careabout them.
I hit 500,000 followersyesterday on Instagram, which is
crazy Congrats.
NorCal Guy (05:26):
Yeah.
Post Wook (05:26):
Thank you.
I'm really, really, reallyinvested in them, having
accessible, inclusive range ofproducts, because they helped
change my life and I want tomake sure that they feel that
gratitude forever.
So with NFTs, I was like Idon't know, I don't think
there's an audience for me, I'mnot really sure.
And then I like to say that I'mthe second person that falls
(05:49):
off the bridge.
Like I can't jump off thebridge first, like someone else
has to do it first.
So one of my friends ended updoing a nifty gateway drop His
name is Josh Pierce on March 1stin Nice.
Guy, yeah, he's great, he'sincredible, he's such a
sweetheart.
He did a drop on March 1st of2021.
It was a Monday night.
I was sitting on my couch, Iwas eating cereal and I was
(06:11):
watching the OC and I texted himand I was like did you just
like do an NFT drop?
And he was like yeah, and I waslike did you just make $500,000
?
And he was like yeah, and I waslike oh my God.
And I was just like wow, Like Idon't think that that will
happen for me, but I was likemaybe there is something here
and I like made an open C and Iwas just like I'll just start
(06:31):
figuring it out.
And I was on Clubhouse before Iknew really what NFTs were.
I was like talking about otherstuff.
But then I started joining likeNFT rooms and I was like, oh,
this is interesting and likelearned a lot.
But it was a slow burn for me.
Like at first I was like Idon't know and then I was like
wow, and then it went to oh, Ireally like the technology of
all of this.
And then I met a whole bunch ofpeople I really enjoyed and I
was just thinking to myself like, well, this is a nice community
(06:54):
, it's got a good learning curve, it mends both sides of my
brain.
I can think about tech, I canthink about art and I feel like
it's something that is new andinteresting, because at that
point, like people'sunemployment checks had stopped
coming in, so like it was harderfor them to buy like e-commerce
stuff and I didn't want to justkeep slaving away with
(07:15):
commercial work as much so I was.
I just started getting intothis thought of like I need
another avenue and it justbecame like a really good way to
continue pushing my work.
And it's a totally differentaudience of people who enjoy
different things.
So, without getting too muchinto it, because I'm sure you
might ask, being able to usetech with my work to make new
(07:36):
work is something I alwayswanted to do but never could.
So I was like, wow, okay, Ilike it.
NorCal Guy (07:43):
That's awesome.
Why did you choose art?
Or what brought you to art?
Post Wook (07:49):
I think art was brought to me and I know that
sounds really corny, but I was areally creative child.
My mom likes to say that I wasrunning before I was walking,
and usually just like away, Iwas just running, I was just.
I had lot of energy and art wasreally something that let me
express myself.
(08:10):
And I feel like at that pointwhen I was like really young,
like four or five, I like knew.
But then life happens right, Idevelop other interests, I'm
told.
I mean, I grew up, I was a kidin like the 90s and I think
especially in the nineties,girls were taught don't do girly
things.
Like there was a phrase like oh, you throw like a girl, like a
(08:30):
girl, and it was like an insult.
So I was like naturally like,okay, I'm going to go play
sports, I'm going to get reallyinterested in academics and art
just kind of seemed to I hate tosay it like girly, which is so
weird considering it's such amale dominated field.
But that was how it wasaddressed to me when I was
younger and I really, really hadto get away from that and I
(08:52):
feel like all those layers andall that conversation just kind
of piled up on that like littlehappy four year old, until one
day I just kind of like brokethrough it and I was always
creative.
It always like shown through alittle bit, but it never
actually got through until like2018.
And at that point I waschoosing art because I really
felt like I had to.
It was like there had been somuch pressure that built up
(09:13):
about just like my life andeverything that was happening
and I just needed an outlet justto paint a picture.
At that time I had gotten sober.
18 months prior to this moment,I had moved to Michigan after
graduating college.
I was working on a politicalcampaign and I was working like
crazy hours, no sleep, like Ihad like two styrofoam
(09:35):
Tupperwares in my fridge, like Ihad no food.
I had nothing and the mostexciting thing I could do was
put my lunch together right orlike pick an outfit, and I just
knew I needed more.
So I downloaded Photoshop on myphone because I had made a lot
of collage work when I wasyounger and I literally was just
like I just need to figure outhow to do this.
(09:55):
And I did and I didn'tunderstand.
Like I liked cutting things outwith paper.
I didn't really understand thepoint of doing it digitally at
first, but I knew I didn't havespace for a studio and I didn't
have time to bring everythingwith me.
So I was like I need to be ableto do this on the go, I need
some release.
And then I like to call it likeit was like a glow stick moment,
like you know, when you crack aglow stick and it lights up,
(10:17):
like that's how I felt, like Iliterally felt like the glow
stick had just come on and itwas really powerful for me and I
feel like I chose art becauseif I didn't do that it would
have never happened and I justfeel like I would have never
been able to be myself and Ithink that all of our purpose in
life is to just be asauthentically us as possible to
help other people feel inspiredto do the same.
(10:39):
So I would have really justlike kind of went away from that
if I didn't.
So it found me when it neededto.
Probably could have found melater, but I'm glad it found me
when it did, because I reallylike art.
I really like being able tojust express myself with imagery
and color and saturation andtexture and shapes in a way that
, like, explains the way thatI'm feeling.
NorCal Guy (11:01):
Right, so you touched on it a little bit, but
what jobs have you done otherthan being an artist?
Post Wook (11:07):
Do you want all of them?
NorCal Guy (11:09):
Let's do, maybe post high school.
Post Wook (11:11):
Well, in high school I worked as like a pool manager,
so that kind of like helps putinto perspective.
I worked at a pool in highschool and in college, so I was
a lifeguard.
And then I worked at the gym incollege like my college gym.
And then I worked at like anoutdoor store for a little bit,
so like selling like campinggear and stuff, cause I really I
(11:33):
really love being outside and Ilearned working a job like that
.
You don't spend a lot of timeoutside because you're making
your money when you could beoutside, so that kind of sucked,
but it was fun.
I got a lot of gear.
And then I worked on CapitolHill doing like political
communication stuff.
I worked in party politics fora little bit in 2016.
And then I worked on apolitical campaign in Michigan
(11:57):
and she won and that's when thatglow stick moment happened.
It was like on that politicalcampaign and then I knew I
wanted to be an artist but Ilike wasn't at a point to do it
full time.
I moved to California and Iworked in a hotel for a bit and
I just did everything.
By the time I left, they werelike the managing director was
like I don't even know how tolike introduce you to someone,
cause I started as a host, thenI became a maitre d', then I
(12:20):
became the receptionist, then Idid guest experience, then I did
the receptionist, then I didguest experience, then I did
event management and it was justlike I knew how to run that
place by the time I left and Iloved that job.
It was probably my favorite dayjob I've ever had.
But when I left that job Ibecame a full-time artist, so
that's it.
That's awesome.
NorCal Guy (12:39):
You were an animal.
What would you be and why?
Post Wook (12:44):
I'd be a phoenix.
I feel like I am a phoenixinternally, in the sense that I
always land on my feet and I canalways things happen Like.
I feel like the phoenix neverknows when it's going to ignite
into fire and then be rebornagain, but it happens and it
perseveres.
And I feel very connected tothat thought and even like
little things, you know, I'mvery good at being able to pick
(13:05):
myself back up again and justsay, you know, like no, we're
going to keep building, and whenthings get too stressful,
instead of like walking away, Ipush further and actually let
myself do it, and I really lovethat about myself.
That's something that I reallyadmire and I think that that
quality I mean that's what aphoenix does, and it just kind
(13:26):
of stays and it you never knowwhen it's going to happen.
It's usually, I mean, in HarryPotter, it's like 90 years, but
I think that we have phoenixmoments all the time or at least
I do, and it's great.
NorCal Guy (13:36):
I like that, your favorite scene.
Post Wook (13:39):
Currently like starting like a new.
I want to call it a diet.
It's like a food plan to likehelp regulate my hormones a
little bit.
NorCal Guy (13:47):
Oh, okay, yeah.
Post Wook (13:48):
So it's not as exciting as I think.
My favorite food would be moreof like an indulgent thing at
this point.
But there's this restaurantnear my house called home,
ironically enough and they makethis really good like short rib
pot pie.
It's just amazing.
But it's all homemade typethings, like it's something
you'd expect, like your mom, tomake.
I love it, and that pot pie isamazing.
(14:10):
It is so good.
Definitely.
If I had to pick something, itwould probably be the pot pie or
macaroni and cheese I reallylike good mac.
NorCal Guy (14:18):
It doesn't get compost.
I mean, I would almost havethis together, I.
Post Wook (14:21):
I mean I would too, but then I would be, my body
would scream at me.
NorCal Guy (14:29):
What's the best piece of advice you have been
given?
Ever, yeah, does one stand out?
Post Wook (14:36):
Man.
Oh, there's like so many.
One of the things that reallyreally, really has always stuck
out to me is just like you can'tcompare your journey to someone
else's and, in a little way, islike you can't compare your
insides to someone else'soutsides, and I think that that
advice is compounded on my lifein the past few years.
(14:59):
So it used to just mean for me,like social media, like oh,
that person looks so perfect.
And then it really has turnedinto more of just like you have
no idea what's going on insomeone's life but you know
everything about yours, so likeyou can't compare and even judge
.
It's turned into judgment forme too, of just like I can't
judge someone else's lifebecause I have no idea what's
(15:22):
really happening behind thescenes and I know everything
about me, so it's, I just can't.
I think, yeah, probably don'tcompare your insides to someone
else's outsides.
NorCal Guy (15:32):
I like that.
It's hard, especially in thisspace, because I mean it's very
surface level.
Post Wook (15:38):
The comparison that I that really got kicked into
like fifth gear when I first gotinto the space, cause I had
like worked on it and I was likecool with like certain things,
but this was like a new use casefor me to be like, okay, how do
I apply this mantra to thisenvironment.
And it was hard.
I remember like the super botwas like hard to look at
(15:59):
sometimes, cause when I firstgot into the space, like I
wasn't like struggling, but Idefinitely was stressed.
When I would pay rent, you know, like I wasn't happy about it.
I would actually flip off mycomputer every time Because I
was just.
I just I was.
I was upset, you know where.
I think that like seeing justlike these crazy life changing
numbers all the time was hard,but then I really applied that
(16:19):
of like you have no idea whatsomeone else is going through.
You have no idea what someoneelse needs applied that of like
you have no idea what someoneelse is going through.
You have no idea what someoneelse needs.
If I had a runner up, it wouldbe like you always get what you
need.
You might not always get whatyou want, but you'll always get
what you need, and that's beenhuge in my life too.
It's just like you always getwhat you need and sometimes you
need things at different times.
Like I'm so glad that likethings didn't just immediately
(16:39):
blow up for me in 2021.
Because if they did, I meanwe've seen how a lot of those
artists they're leaving.
They've left.
Like it's different.
They don't have the samemomentum.
People expected the world outof them and it was unfair to
them that they were expected todo so much.
I'm glad I didn't actually getcaught up in that.
I felt very inadequate in thebeginning.
(16:59):
I was like what's wrong with me?
I'm like this really popularartist on Instagram why aren't
people connecting to my workhere, and I'm actually really
glad it took time, because Ireally got to understand the
tech, understand the people,understand the community, be a
part of it, be really enmeshedin it in a way that now I
couldn't actually imagine mylife without it, which might
(17:20):
sound sad, but that's where I'mat.
I just really enjoy.
I feel like I've met a lot ofpeople in the space that I
consider my friends, and I tryto surround myself with people
who, if everything went to zero,I would still call them my
friends, and I really feel likeI've found those people, which
is really nice.
NorCal Guy (17:40):
That's awesome.
I like that a lot.
Do you have advice for artistscoming into the space, into the
art crypto art space?
Post Wook (17:49):
I think it would be what I just said, but I'll say
it again of make friends withpeople that you would be friends
with regardless of the space.
So if everything went to zero,would you still be friends with
this person?
I like to do little check-inslike that, just like in my
everyday life with people aswell.
Like I like to ask myself andjust feel do I feel drained
after this interaction with thisperson?
(18:10):
How does this person, how do Ifeel after like a phone call?
Do I have more frustration orquestions?
So I think about that in cryptoas well.
It's just like is this someonethat I would hang out with if
everything went to zero?
Ideally the answer is yes, andI think there's varying levels
of like interactions with people.
Right, if it's like someone ona space, you don't have to like
go crazy.
But it's like the people I'mlike spending like phone calls,
(18:33):
hours on hours with, like inreal life, like they're all
people that I would genuinely befriends with outside of the
space.
And I've met people that we havea lot in common outside of the
space, from the space, which isgreat.
Like I just call, I mean alittle shout out to Buna.
He works for Schiller.
Like him and I have so much incommon and I am so grateful that
(18:54):
him and I are friends because Ifeel like he's someone that
just like perfectly fit into mylife and I just really
appreciate knowing someone likethat, even from this space, like
he would be in my liferegardless.
You know, like if, like I wentto where he lives and just met
him, like we would be friends.
So I just love that thatconnection still holds true here
.
So that would be my biggestpiece of advice, because
(19:16):
sometimes I get shilled I'm sureyou get shilled DMs of people
that it's just very cold and Idon't think there's anything
wrong with starting aconversation.
But there's a very bigdifference in my perspective
between a conversation starterand a cold pitch, and I think
that there's even a way to do aconversation right.
(19:36):
But that's why I think thatnumber one rule is so important,
because I genuinely think thatpeople who you would genuinely
be friends with and things thatyou can actually talk to them
about, they're going to be thepeople you want to surround
yourself with, more than peoplethat like oh hi, I have a new
piece for sale, and that's.
I guess that's the other thing Iwould say is like one don't
(19:58):
focus all your energy on sales,because that's not even what the
space is about.
And the way I look at that is Iview all of us like we work at,
like a startup, like we allwork at a tech startup together,
and all the artists are in thecreative department and we have
a lot of fun.
Our group chats are reallycrazy and cool and like those
are definitely the people youdon't want to be talking to if
things all went to zero.
(20:18):
That you don't like, like,really, because like the people
I'm on the phone with most ofthe time and having these
conversations with and likesending memes back and forth,
they're not collectors, they'reartists, because they're people
I genuinely enjoy and they knowhow my brain works.
So it's really important for meto have conversations with
people like that.
But the creative department isjust one department and I think
(20:40):
that's how I helped look at,because I remember when I got in
, a lot of people didn't look atPFPs and art differently, but
now they do.
So I view the trading PFPs.
They're in a differentdepartment and that's totally
fine, but they're in thetraining department and that's
not my department, and thenyou've got people in a different
department, and that's totallyfine, but they're in the
training department and that'snot my department.
And then you've got people inthe finance department, and then
you've got people in like theacquisition department, and like
we all work at the same startupthough, and I say that because
(21:02):
if you work at a startup, yourmain focus isn't going to be how
much money you're making.
Like Google, employees don't gointo the office every day.
Like making a quarter millionin my salary Like that's awesome
, like they don't think aboutthat.
They build the product, and weare building the product.
We're building the openmetaverse, like we're building
the decentralized internet.
So the way I see it is, if wefocus on the product that's
being built so like all theartists are making all the art
(21:23):
to be a part of thedecentralized internet, then
everything else kind of fallsinto place, because everyone
else is working towards theproduct, and sometimes the
product is going to be.
There's going to be a day whereFTX just tweets like one what
you know, and whatever, butthere's going to be moments
where things go haywire.
It is a startup, but if we viewthe space as a startup and you
(21:44):
associate yourself with peoplethat you would want to talk to
if everything went to zero.
In my opinion, you can't lose.
You can't fail Cause at at theend of the day, you've made cool
friends with people that youactually like and you've helped
build a really awesome productand like.
How is that not a win?
NorCal Guy (22:00):
to me, that's a win yeah, I definitely like that
because I mean sometimes spend alot of time in the dms news.
It is interesting how it bringsit to another level when you
meet people in person, though,like if you have that connection
, you're like, oh, this is agood friend, especially when you
meet in person oh yeah, I feellike the people I've met in
(22:21):
person of like it's really likesolidified it for me and that's
why it's so nice.
Post Wook (22:26):
When I go to events, I usually have like this one
person that I meet that I likedon't mean to meet, and I ended
up having these conversationswith them, and it's someone that
maybe I've talked to a littlebit online and maybe I don't,
but even still they're peoplethat I actually don't really
talk to too much online.
I just hit them up beforeevents.
I'm like, hey, are you going?
(22:46):
Like I really want to make sureI can see you, and then we have
a blast in person and to me,like that's fine, like it's just
like in real life, like I havefriends that are really bad
texters and I have friends thatare really bad with phone calls
and I have friends that are justreally good in person and I
don't think there's anythingwrong with those things.
And I think that, especiallywhen it comes to the space yeah,
I mean finding those comies butthen, like knowing where they
(23:09):
might communicate best with you,I think is good to do for sure
if you could live or moveanywhere, where would you live
and why?
I have a three-way tie.
I really like I don't even knowlike technically, like what the
area is.
I mean, okay, if I really hadto pick marin county, this is in
(23:32):
, they're all in California.
So the short answer isCalifornia, marin County, like
Apple.
Valley or like La Jolla in SanDiego, or just like put me on
the coast right near, likeMendocino.
NorCal Guy (23:47):
Okay, nice.
Post Wook (23:48):
That's probably where I would go.
I love California.
NorCal Guy (23:51):
No complaints about any of those.
Post Wook (23:53):
No, I mean, California is awesome and like.
I think the coolest thing aboutCalifornia is you can leave
whenever you want, but the songHotel California is very real.
You could never actually leave.
I think that's the problem.
You can, you can check outanytime you like, but you'll
never actually leave.
And it's just, it's just such aperfect place.
I mean again, more song lyricsjust getting corny, but it's
(24:17):
just, it just is.
It's like I love when you go upNorth.
There's all of the beautifuloutdoorsy stuff.
You have big Sur, redwoods,you've got cliffs, you've got I
mean, I don't know my family'sfrom like Salinas, so it's not
super pretty, but you've gotlike nice rolling hills.
You can go to the pier and lookat seals.
I don't know if that's anyinterest, but like even San
(24:39):
Francisco, it's just got like alot of history.
Marin County is absolutelygorgeous, just beautiful
landscape.
And then down in San Diego, Imean even LA, like there's some
I like, I like like downtown Iknow it's an unpopular opinion
because there's a lot of ArtDeco architecture which I'm
really obsessed with but I thinkthat even parts of Hollywood I
just really love the 1920sarchitecture that this city is
(25:01):
left behind.
It's pretty much the extent ofwhat I like about Los Angeles,
but that's fine, just thearchitecture.
And then I just, I don't know,you just go down to Dana Point,
beautiful beaches, and then evenfurther, like La Jolla is just
absolutely gorgeous.
Then you go out to the desert,like Palm Springs, like are you
kidding me?
And then like Tahoe, like youcannot lose, it's just the best
place.
NorCal Guy (25:22):
Right?
Well, it's all the answer.
I like it.
I mean, I live in Californiatoo.
Post Wook (25:28):
Wait, actually I have one more though.
Oh, because I'm a scuba diverand I'm very, very passionate
about being underwater with abreathing machine.
It's something I love to do.
I've actually been scubacertified for 10 years, which is
crazy to think about.
But there's a little dive island.
It's off the coast of Venezuela, it's shaped like a boomerang
(25:50):
and it's got a little island inthe center of the boomerang and
it's got a little like island inthe center like of the
boomerang type of thing, andit's called bonair and it's one
of the abc islands.
So you've got aruba, bonair andcuracao.
Curacao is where everyone goesto like party and same with
aruba, but no one goes to bonairbecause there's nothing to do
in bonair besides dive.
And it's amazing because it's adive island and I would live on
(26:11):
the dive island because it'sgorgeous, absolutely gorgeous.
They've got I mean the reefs aredined everywhere, but it's the
most beautiful blue.
The water pretty much has likeno undercurrent.
If there's any divers, they'llknow what I'm talking about.
So, like when you go to likecertain places like the water
will actually like push you backjust because there's like too
(26:31):
much of a current.
But in Bonaire it's like prettyshallow.
So shallow, meaning like 60meters, and there isn't too much
of an undercurrent just becauseof the way that the water moves
.
I don't actually know thescience of it, but it's great.
It's a great place to dive andI probably will croak there, to
be honest with you Cool, cool Doyou have any questions for me.
(26:55):
Yeah, what's your favoriteanimal?
Don't say octopus.
Give me your second favorite.
I've listened to your podcast.
What's your second favoriteanimal?
NorCal Guy (27:05):
Second favorite.
Oh my goodness.
Post Wook (27:07):
Purple.
NorCal Guy (27:08):
They're on me off here.
Damn, that's hard.
Post Wook (27:13):
I have a few questions for you actually, so
just get ready.
NorCal Guy (27:16):
All right, I don't know, I don't know, I'm going to
go with maybe a cat.
Post Wook (27:20):
Cat.
NorCal Guy (27:21):
Yeah.
Post Wook (27:22):
Ted is here.
He's lovely.
I love cats.
I know he saved my life.
To be honest with you, I thinkcats are healing magic, amazing
creatures, big fan.
Cats are healing magic, amazingcreatures, big fan.
My other question is becauseyou asked what was my first
thought about nfts.
I'm curious what yours were.
Just like how did you?
Or even like, if you want to gofurther, like crypto we've
(27:45):
talked a little bit just abouthomesteading and if everything,
everything goes to zero, I feellike I'd be well equipped to
live my life.
But yeah, I'm just curious,like how did that happen for you
?
NorCal Guy (27:58):
So crypto, I guess I fell into that easy, well,
easier.
I just I've been like alibertarian for a long time.
It just seemed to make sense tome and I heard about it early
on.
I was like, oh well, that'sawesome, it doesn't involve the
government, so perfect.
(28:20):
So I was like awesome, so thatmade sense to me.
Nfts was different because whenthey, you know, were first kind
of introduced, it was like kindof a games and not my thing,
and I was just like that'sreally dumb, people are doing
stupid stuff over there, and soI ignored it for until like 2020
(28:44):
oh, okay, so about the sametime, because I'm sure, like
when you say games, are youtalking like nba top shot or
like earlier oh, like the cryptokitties, like they were like
kitties and stuff and I was likethat's just dumb, I don't.
I don't know why I would do that, so it was like a waste of time
, you know, I know hindsightthose guys made some decent
(29:05):
money, but also like yeah, so,but that's what I I started on
nba top shots.
I got in on that and had fun,and then I rolled into the other
stuff after that.
Post Wook (29:17):
I think a lot of people like rolled.
I think it makes sense to kindof like roll in here, that's
cool.
So I've listened to other podsand I know that you went to
school for a little bit fordesign and you like topography
and that's why you dropped acollection.
So I'm going to ask an annoyingquestion but what's your
favorite font?
NorCal Guy (29:36):
Oh no, that's a terrible question because I am
out of that business for likeforever.
I don't even remember thatthere was a font like that font
like we had to draw, hand drawthat, all those fonts at least,
like pick the phrase, basicallythat we liked, and we had to
hand draw it.
And the teacher was like no,you need like a little more
(29:56):
curve here, like that, it's likeit's not right.
You're like, oh, and then wehad to scan it and then trace it
in illustrator.
So I don't even remember.
I'm blanking on font names atthe moment.
I would probably go with I likethe acerapharm, I guess it's
more classic I mean, that's whatthat collection was, I believe
(30:19):
was all like a serif.
Post Wook (30:21):
It was like a serif type font.
I'm not like super into fontsbut I think they're interesting
and the old schoolness of havingto scan it I like love that.
I feel like digital art hascome and just like digital
anything has just come such along way.
But I see, because one of myfavorite things to do when I go
to like vintage thrift storetype things is I don't like to
(30:42):
look at clothes or furniture, Ilike to look at books and
magazines, specificallymagazines, because I mean, one,
it's a place for source material.
Two, I love vintage ads.
I love the fact that ads usedto have copy on them.
They literally used to have awhole paragraph of like just
something that someone would sayI mean, there's a whole show,
mad Men, based off of that copythat was written.
(31:04):
And it's just so interestingbecause some of the fonts that
you see in these ads are stillbeing used now.
Oh right, right, and they'vejust stayed popular.
It's so cool.
So I studied political scienceand history in college and, like
history has always beensomething I've like really loved
to like connect dots with andjust like being able to see how
(31:28):
humans are actually not thatdifferent than we used to be is
big to me, because I think thatif we put Benjamin Franklin in
2023, he probably wouldn'tunderstand like the technology
and that'd be like a really bighurdle.
But once he got like up tospeed about the culture, he'd be
just as smart as we are.
I've seen AI versions of himdressed as like a normal person.
He'd look like anyone's dad ata Phillies game, right.
I generally think that we areall just kind of figuring it out
(31:52):
and that's like the beauty andthe humility of it all Right,
but the fonts, especially, Ifind it interesting.
Like I drive by this like cardealership and they have this
font that I really like and Iknow they printed that in like
the nineties and I just love it.
I love the fact that it's stillthere.
I'm trying to think Okay, so wehave talked about homesteading,
but not on a podcast.
So, just to catch people up, weboth really like to grow things
(32:14):
.
I'm really into the idea ofowning land that is mine that I
can just do whatever I want with, and I have gathered you are
too.
So my question is if you had tohave a homestead, I need your
like perfect spread.
So for me that would be like Iwould need some chickens, I
would want a cow, probably a fewgoats, because they're like
(32:34):
trash cans, and then I wouldwant obviously like herbs but
like peppers, want obviouslylike herbs, duh, but like
peppers, tomatoes, squash, fruit.
If I could depending on where Ilived but then like weird things
like milk, thistle and likemedicinal, kind of like herbs,
dandelion and for sure you know.
So I'm just like that's what Iwould do.
(32:56):
I'd probably eat like mostlyvegan.
If I had a homestead, I likewouldn't want to like slaughter
my own animals, or if yourhomestead was near my homestead
and you did, you could like shipme stuff and I could ship you
herbs I don't know we can getjoelle and we can have her ship
us dick butts.
I don't know, but that's myquestion yeah, I mean I'd love
(33:16):
how.
NorCal Guy (33:17):
I go back and forth about how I would do it, but I
definitely want chickens, goats,goats would be cool.
I don't know if I want anylarger livestock, just because I
don't know how much work theyare.
Post Wook (33:27):
A lot.
NorCal Guy (33:29):
But definitely a garden.
I always go back and forthbetween an aquaponics type setup
with fish, so I think thatwould be really good.
It'd have to be next to a watersource to have a year-round
creek so something.
Think that would be really goodIf you had NB.
It'd have to be like next to awater source to have like a year
round creep so something likethat, so you could grow stuff
year round would be nice andlike a nice wow, blinking on it,
(33:51):
Sun, road thing, greenhouse.
Post Wook (33:55):
Greenhouse, greenhouse, sun would be nice
and a greenhouse yeah,greenhouses are key.
I I mean that's like the firstthing I'm gonna do when I have a
yard.
It's just like build agreenhouse yeah, so something
like that.
NorCal Guy (34:09):
I mean, definitely we've grown stuff outside, but I
think, uh, aquaponics setupwould be cool.
Post Wook (34:14):
You got some protein there with the fish and
fertilizing your stuff I thinkwe've talked about that before,
but I think like aquaponics arelike I'm a big fan of just like
sustainability when it comes tothings like that.
I mean, it rained so much in LAand I have so much like
captured rainwater right now.
That makes me so happy, butthen all my plants got thrips,
so now they're all in bagsdownstairs.
(34:35):
It looks really weird.
It's getting better.
I think I'm like 90% over it,but so I have just all this like
rainwater.
That's just like outside andI'm like so ready to water my
plants, but I just have noability to water them right now
but oh, the other thing I wouldprobably want a herding no, I
wouldn't have sheep.
So maybe not a herding dog, buta cat to like, kill mice, and
then a horse to get around Forsure.
(34:57):
I really want a horse.
I like horses.
My grandma had horses and I'vealways just I'm not like a horse
girl.
I didn't grow up thinking aboutthem, but they're like big dogs
and to me that's just.
There's something like magicalabout them.
I look at a horse, I'm justlike how is this thing real?
I've also been putting them inmy work a lot lately.
I don't know, I just kind oflike them.
I'm kind of a big fan of ahorse.
NorCal Guy (35:19):
Yeah, I mean, I guess the one thing that I guess
is good, you can put them togood work as well, like they can
pull stuff If we're talkingabout, if we're really off the
grid.
You don't have access to fuelor anything, they can definitely
move some muscle.
Post Wook (35:33):
Okay, I guess I have one more.
Do you think everything iseventually ever going to go to
zero?
Like that like, that level oflike.
We need homesteads.
The apocalyptic question.
NorCal Guy (35:45):
I mean, that's a huge, that's a huge.
What if no?
But I think people could be cutoff from stuff.
Post Wook (35:52):
Yeah.
NorCal Guy (35:53):
Like with a credit, social credit score.
Post Wook (35:55):
Yeah, like a little black mirror.
Well, it's funny because so mydad works for NASA and we have
conversations that are justabsolutely insane.
Like we just talk about things,like we've thought about it, we
should just record these and,like make them a podcast,
because people would love tohear this.
Because, I asked him somethingsimilar once about like the grid
, and he was like, well, thegrid is great and, like so much,
(36:19):
of us rely on technology in ourday to day, but, like solar
winds are an actual concern whenit comes to the power grid,
because of a solar wind from thesun came and, like, gusted off
the sun towards Earth.
It could knock out our entirepower grid, at least on like
half the country or half theworld.
Right, half the planet doesn'thave an electrical grid anymore
(36:39):
until they get it back up andrunning and there's nothing we
could do about it.
Because do you do about the sun?
There's no sun insurance, right?
So in that way, I think humanswill probably cannibalize each
other, maybe not like physically, but metaphorically, but I
definitely think, yeah, likesomething weird could happen,
like an asteroid or solar gustor something.
(37:01):
Yeah, because this universe iswild.
The more I learn about it, themore I'm just like what.
We are such an anomaly to beable to live like this, like
it's such a gift.
It's such a gift that we get tolive at the same time as cats.
NorCal Guy (37:16):
That's how I feel do you have any upcoming projects
or shout outs yes, so when doesthis come out?
Post Wook (37:23):
do you think like a month?
It might be a week or two okay,so we're recording this like
the week before new york, so Ihave like a few things happening
in new york.
I have a new dynamic piececoming out with transient labs.
I think they're previewing itin new york, but it might be
after.
You own my other one, right?
You own the citric acid, Ithink, right, or did you bid on
(37:46):
it and did someone outbid you?
I don't remember.
NorCal Guy (37:47):
I might've just bid on it?
Oh, maybe I don't know.
I don't remember it beingdynamic, but maybe it is.
Post Wook (37:53):
I think it is, I don't know.
I'll have to check.
I do have a dynamic piece.
NorCal Guy (37:56):
I'll have to check that too.
Yeah, cause check that to you?
Post Wook (37:58):
Yeah, because if it is the one I think it is, it
changes every night and day, sobased on your local time, it
gets like crazier.
It's pretty cool, but this oneit's really interesting.
So I basically just told Ben Iwas like I want it to be as
random as possible and I wantevery layer to like move at a
different speed.
So what we did is there's fivedifferent layers and they have
(38:20):
five different speeds they canrun at, and it's like from three
to 10 seconds each.
So every time you refresh thepiece it changes.
Oh, wow.
And the intervals that eachlayer change at also change
every time you refresh the piece.
So he was showing me the code.
If you load it up and then it'slike layers one, two, three,
(38:42):
four and five, it's like threeseconds, six seconds, nine
seconds and eight seconds, Ifyou refresh it those frequencies
will change again, so it'llchange at a different speed.
Every single time you refreshit.
It'll change and every layerchanges at a different speed
anyway.
But then there's littlekeywords you can type into your
keyboard.
(39:02):
You don't even have to pressenter, you just type them in and
then it changes to like a verylike preset palette.
So one is like red, one ispurple, one is blue and there's
keywords for them.
They're eight letter keywords.
I'm not going to say what theyare, but it's really cool and
it's very random and the piecemoves like very quickly.
It's like that.
I mean We've all seen that likeviral video of like a chameleon
(39:24):
dreaming it like looks likethat, Like it just is moving
like very crazy.
It's.
It's really cool.
When I can show you, I will.
NorCal Guy (39:33):
I can't wait.
Post Wook (39:34):
He showed me yesterday.
So I like this is very fresh,alpha, no-transcript, burn it to
(40:11):
like, really encourage peopleto like, have fun, but keeping
it very contained.
We're doing like a capsulegamification.
We're not going crazy, it'sgoing to be very small.
So those are like the bigthings, but I guess the biggest
thing that I'm doing I haven'teven mentioned this at all is
I'm the creative director for astartup like legitimately, not
just like my metaphor and wehave bought space, like physical
(40:33):
space, on a SpaceX satelliteand we're sending audio files
and photos into outer space.
That anyone wants so?
if you wanted to take a pictureof your cat and put it into
space, you could, and your catwill literally live in space
forever.
Or a picture of like a lovedone, or like an audio clip of
them, like telling them that youlove them or whatever, and it
(40:55):
will literally live in spaceforever.
So we hired engineers aboutlike a year ago at this point to
be able to do this.
We've tested it.
It's really cool.
My eyes glazed over in thosemeetings, but that's not my job
anyway.
So it's fine and we have theability to literally send these
things into space as lightparticles, which is really cool.
(41:16):
And then it can be whatever youwant.
So then there's like an NFTcomponent attached to it as like
the form of like a missionbadge.
So it's like you go and you buyit for I don't know, like it's
like 20, and then you record itand then you get an nft with it
and then the nft changes fromlike holding to like up in space
(41:36):
, to like out, into the likeyour thing has gone out, and
then it comes back down andthere's like a whole bunch of
different like, little likeversions of it.
So there's like one for peopleif it's for a loved one that's
passed, it's like rest among thestars.
And then it's like, if it's fora significant other, it's I
love you forever.
And then for kids there's likemy first mission.
So it's like for a little kidputting something into space.
(41:58):
And I designed these littlecards.
They're meant to becertificates that go in each
confirmation, just kind of likepackage.
It's just like a little likewelcome package and you get like
a little mission badge stickerthat I also designed and we're
currently working on thewebsites for it.
But that should be going liveideally at the end of this year,
if not Q1, q2 of 2024.
(42:21):
Okay not bad and it's crazy.
We have like a ton of space onthe satellite.
I think it's something like 2million spaces like space on the
hard drive.
So we're really trying to likehit like a wide audience and
it's just really cool Like I metthis guy who put me on through
like crypto dick butts literally, and it's been like really
awesome.
I genuinely am like very mydreams have come true.
(42:47):
I've always wanted to be acreative director.
So the fact that I get to dothat is really awesome.
And I get to be a crypto broand I get to be an artist.
So it's like I wake up everyday to my sunrise alarm clock
and I'm just like I love my life.
There's birds chirping, I havea cat next to me, I'm a creative
director, I get to be a cryptobro.
It's awesome.
So that's the big thing thatI'm doing right now.
NorCal Guy (43:06):
Right, I like it.
That's awesome.
Post Wook (43:10):
It's pretty cool.
I mean like when he told me theidea it's like we're going to
send screams into space Peoplecan just yell and we're going to
send it into space I was like,okay, I like it.
I like it a lot.
And I told my dad, who works atNASA, he was like haven't you
seen alien?
The quote if you scream intospace, no one will hear you.
And I was like well, we're notscreaming into space, they're
(43:31):
light particles that go intospace.
But it is really cool becausewe've actually gotten we've like
bent the ability for thetechnology to work, which I
think is like really awesome.
NorCal Guy (43:40):
Cool Well Postwood, thank you so much for taking
some time out of your day andspending it with me.
I really appreciate it.
Post Wook (43:48):
You too, really, really, really appreciate it.
And Ted, who's here?
That no one can see, but he'sin your heart and that's what
matters.
NorCal Guy (43:54):
Right, awesome.
Well, I hope you have a greatday and we'll talk soon.
Post Wook (43:58):
Sounds good, talk soon.
Date and we'll talk soon.
Sounds good, talk soon.
Who is?
NorCal Guy (44:02):
this guy?
Who is this guy?
Who is this guy?
Who is this guy?
Who?
Post Wook (44:07):
is this guy?
Nor calder, nor tell it, norcalder.
Nor cal guy, nor cal guy.
NorCal Guy (44:13):
Nor cal guy, nor cal guy nor cal and shill podcast
show it's show time your cow andshow podcast what the show your
cow and show podcast show.
Outro (44:26):
It's show time, your cow, and show podcast what the show.
Who is this guy?
Who is this guy?
Who is this?
Guy, norcal guy, norcal guy,norcal guy, norcal guy, norcal
guy.
Norcal guy, norcal guy, norcalguy NorCal and the Shield
Podcast.
Show.
It's show time, norcal and theShield Podcast.
(00:21):
What the Stop it the ShieldNorCal and the Shield Podcast.
What the the Shield NorahCowell and the Shield Podcast
Show.
It's show time.
Norah Cowell and the.
Shield Podcast.
What the the Shield?
Post Wook is a LosAngeles-based digital artist
mainly focused on surreallandscape collage art with
refined, visionary andpsychedelic elements.
(00:42):
Her style aims to be palatablefor both the seasoned psychonaut
and average Joe and everyone inbetween.
Her work combines snippets oflandscapes from all over the
globe to demonstrate howinterconnected we all truly are.
As a lifelong collager,postwook challenges perception
(01:07):
of shapes, color and texture tocreate entirely new universes
out of pre-existing photos.
Postwook picked up collage in2007 after drawing and painting
didn't feel quite right andalways stayed close to the
medium.
After completing universitywith a BA in political science
(01:30):
and working on a politicalcampaign, post Wilk felt
creatively starved and soughtout an outlet once more, turning
back to collage.
Freeing her inner child throughart was not only therapeutic
but eventually became anintegrated part of PostWook's
life as a self-taught artist.
(01:52):
She never intended to become aprofessional artist, but now
strongly believes in theimportance of therapeutic and
self-taught art.
Postwook strongly believes in afuture of digital art and
decentralization.
Her fascination with copyrightand open source content drive
(02:13):
her dialogue in the web threespace and she is committed to
asking challenging questions tobridge the gap between art and
technology.
Everybody, please welcome PostWook.
Hey Post Wook.
Welcome to the podcast.
How are you doing today?
Post Wook (02:31):
Hey, I'm great Nice.
Like great, I don't know.
I have nothing else to say, I'mjust great, awesome.
NorCal Guy (02:40):
I mean it's a super nice day up here where I am in
NorCal.
It's like 64 out.
It's perfect nice day up herewhere I am in NorCal.
It's like 64 out, it's perfect.
Post Wook (02:46):
It's 58 here, so I don't know how that happened,
but in SoCal, oh yeah, yeah,it's, yeah, it's a great day.
It's the middle of the week.
Woke up on time, I got this newalarm clock and it's like a
sunrise alarm clock, so it turnsred, orange, yellow and then it
(03:07):
just gets like brighter andthen birds chirp so I wake up
like snow white.
It's great, I love it.
I woke up to that this morning,had a great workout, just like
can't complain.
NorCal Guy (03:15):
That's awesome.
I like that that sounds reallynice and proper way to wake up.
Post Wook (03:20):
Not a fan of a beep.
Beep it like elevates yourstress levels like immediately.
It's not great, it's true.
NorCal Guy (03:26):
So do you have or use a hardware wallet?
Post Wook (03:31):
Yes, absolutely.
I will say there was a periodwhere I bought it and it was
like a few weeks before I set itup, but then I just started
thinking about it like a savingsaccount and I was like, oh, I
wouldn't want to keep all of myfiat in a savings account that
doesn't have any interest on it.
Why would I want to keep mycrypto in a hot wallet?
(03:54):
And then I set it upimmediately and I couldn't
imagine not having one at thispoint.
So you know, big fan.
NorCal Guy (04:00):
Once you set it up, you know it's pretty easy to use
.
It's a small learning curve.
Yeah, no reason, becausethey're like 80 bucks.
Post Wook (04:09):
Yeah, it's a write-off too.
And that's another thing yeah,LLCs, even in the non-crypto
world.
Then you can write off all yourfiat expenses.
It's awesome.
Speaking of tax season, Cool.
NorCal Guy (04:22):
I know what were your first thoughts when you
heard about crypto art or NFTs.
Post Wook (04:28):
It was like November of 2020.
And one of my business partnerscalled me and was like do you
know who Beeple is?
And I was like yeah, the guythat like posts weird things on
Facebook.
And I was like he was like yeah, I was like that was my
introduction to Beeple.
It was like 2016.
He was like posting like theseweird things and they were all
over Facebook.
And I was like okay, and he toldme that Beeple had just like
(04:51):
sold a whole bunch of his workfor all this money and I wasn't
like super interested in likeall the money.
I was like that seems kind offlashy, like I don't really care
, because at that time my focuswas very much on like customers
who were spending like 30 to $50on a print and those people
didn't have like $69 million.
You know, like at most theycould spend like 50 bucks on a
(05:11):
print on payday.
And I was like I just don'tknow, like I'm really I still am
I'm like very like ride or diefor my audience, especially on
Instagram, like I really careabout them.
I hit 500,000 followersyesterday on Instagram, which is
crazy Congrats.
NorCal Guy (05:26):
Yeah.
Post Wook (05:26):
Thank you.
I'm really, really, reallyinvested in them, having
accessible, inclusive range ofproducts, because they helped
change my life and I want tomake sure that they feel that
gratitude forever.
So with NFTs, I was like Idon't know, I don't think
there's an audience for me, I'mnot really sure.
And then I like to say that I'mthe second person that falls
(05:49):
off the bridge.
Like I can't jump off thebridge first, like someone else
has to do it first.
So one of my friends ended updoing a nifty gateway drop His
name is Josh Pierce on March 1stin Nice.
Guy, yeah, he's great, he'sincredible, he's such a
sweetheart.
He did a drop on March 1st of2021.
It was a Monday night.
I was sitting on my couch, Iwas eating cereal and I was
(06:11):
watching the OC and I texted himand I was like did you just
like do an NFT drop?
And he was like yeah, and I waslike did you just make $500,000
?
And he was like yeah, and I waslike oh my God.
And I was just like wow, Like Idon't think that that will
happen for me, but I was likemaybe there is something here
and I like made an open C and Iwas just like I'll just start
(06:31):
figuring it out.
And I was on Clubhouse before Iknew really what NFTs were.
I was like talking about otherstuff.
But then I started joining likeNFT rooms and I was like, oh,
this is interesting and likelearned a lot.
But it was a slow burn for me.
Like at first I was like Idon't know and then I was like
wow, and then it went to oh, Ireally like the technology of
all of this.
And then I met a whole bunch ofpeople I really enjoyed and I
was just thinking to myself like, well, this is a nice community
(06:54):
, it's got a good learning curve, it mends both sides of my
brain.
I can think about tech, I canthink about art and I feel like
it's something that is new andinteresting, because at that
point, like people'sunemployment checks had stopped
coming in, so like it was harderfor them to buy like e-commerce
stuff and I didn't want to justkeep slaving away with
(07:15):
commercial work as much so I was.
I just started getting intothis thought of like I need
another avenue and it justbecame like a really good way to
continue pushing my work.
And it's a totally differentaudience of people who enjoy
different things.
So, without getting too muchinto it, because I'm sure you
might ask, being able to usetech with my work to make new
(07:36):
work is something I alwayswanted to do but never could.
So I was like, wow, okay, Ilike it.
NorCal Guy (07:43):
That's awesome.
Why did you choose art?
Or what brought you to art?
Post Wook (07:49):
I think art was brought to me and I know that
sounds really corny, but I was areally creative child.
My mom likes to say that I wasrunning before I was walking,
and usually just like away, Iwas just running, I was just.
I had lot of energy and art wasreally something that let me
express myself.
(08:10):
And I feel like at that pointwhen I was like really young,
like four or five, I like knew.
But then life happens right, Idevelop other interests, I'm
told.
I mean, I grew up, I was a kidin like the 90s and I think
especially in the nineties,girls were taught don't do girly
things.
Like there was a phrase like oh, you throw like a girl, like a
(08:30):
girl, and it was like an insult.
So I was like naturally like,okay, I'm going to go play
sports, I'm going to get reallyinterested in academics and art
just kind of seemed to I hate tosay it like girly, which is so
weird considering it's such amale dominated field.
But that was how it wasaddressed to me when I was
younger and I really, really hadto get away from that and I
(08:52):
feel like all those layers andall that conversation just kind
of piled up on that like littlehappy four year old, until one
day I just kind of like brokethrough it and I was always
creative.
It always like shown through alittle bit, but it never
actually got through until like2018.
And at that point I waschoosing art because I really
felt like I had to.
It was like there had been somuch pressure that built up
(09:13):
about just like my life andeverything that was happening
and I just needed an outlet justto paint a picture.
At that time I had gotten sober.
18 months prior to this moment,I had moved to Michigan after
graduating college.
I was working on a politicalcampaign and I was working like
crazy hours, no sleep, like Ihad like two styrofoam
(09:35):
Tupperwares in my fridge, like Ihad no food.
I had nothing and the mostexciting thing I could do was
put my lunch together right orlike pick an outfit, and I just
knew I needed more.
So I downloaded Photoshop on myphone because I had made a lot
of collage work when I wasyounger and I literally was just
like I just need to figure outhow to do this.
(09:55):
And I did and I didn'tunderstand.
Like I liked cutting things outwith paper.
I didn't really understand thepoint of doing it digitally at
first, but I knew I didn't havespace for a studio and I didn't
have time to bring everythingwith me.
So I was like I need to be ableto do this on the go, I need
some release.
And then I like to call it likeit was like a glow stick moment,
like you know, when you crack aglow stick and it lights up,
(10:17):
like that's how I felt, like Iliterally felt like the glow
stick had just come on and itwas really powerful for me and I
feel like I chose art becauseif I didn't do that it would
have never happened and I justfeel like I would have never
been able to be myself and Ithink that all of our purpose in
life is to just be asauthentically us as possible to
help other people feel inspiredto do the same.
(10:39):
So I would have really justlike kind of went away from that
if I didn't.
So it found me when it neededto.
Probably could have found melater, but I'm glad it found me
when it did, because I reallylike art.
I really like being able tojust express myself with imagery
and color and saturation andtexture and shapes in a way that
, like, explains the way thatI'm feeling.
NorCal Guy (11:01):
Right, so you touched on it a little bit, but
what jobs have you done otherthan being an artist?
Post Wook (11:07):
Do you want all of them?
NorCal Guy (11:09):
Let's do, maybe post high school.
Post Wook (11:11):
Well, in high school I worked as like a pool manager,
so that kind of like helps putinto perspective.
I worked at a pool in highschool and in college, so I was
a lifeguard.
And then I worked at the gym incollege like my college gym.
And then I worked at like anoutdoor store for a little bit,
so like selling like campinggear and stuff, cause I really I
(11:33):
really love being outside and Ilearned working a job like that
.
You don't spend a lot of timeoutside because you're making
your money when you could beoutside, so that kind of sucked,
but it was fun.
I got a lot of gear.
And then I worked on CapitolHill doing like political
communication stuff.
I worked in party politics fora little bit in 2016.
And then I worked on apolitical campaign in Michigan
(11:57):
and she won and that's when thatglow stick moment happened.
It was like on that politicalcampaign and then I knew I
wanted to be an artist but Ilike wasn't at a point to do it
full time.
I moved to California and Iworked in a hotel for a bit and
I just did everything.
By the time I left, they werelike the managing director was
like I don't even know how tolike introduce you to someone,
cause I started as a host, thenI became a maitre d', then I
(12:20):
became the receptionist, then Idid guest experience, then I did
the receptionist, then I didguest experience, then I did
event management and it was justlike I knew how to run that
place by the time I left and Iloved that job.
It was probably my favorite dayjob I've ever had.
But when I left that job Ibecame a full-time artist, so
that's it.
That's awesome.
NorCal Guy (12:39):
You were an animal.
What would you be and why?
Post Wook (12:44):
I'd be a phoenix.
I feel like I am a phoenixinternally, in the sense that I
always land on my feet and I canalways things happen Like.
I feel like the phoenix neverknows when it's going to ignite
into fire and then be rebornagain, but it happens and it
perseveres.
And I feel very connected tothat thought and even like
little things, you know, I'mvery good at being able to pick
(13:05):
myself back up again and justsay, you know, like no, we're
going to keep building, and whenthings get too stressful,
instead of like walking away, Ipush further and actually let
myself do it, and I really lovethat about myself.
That's something that I reallyadmire and I think that that
quality I mean that's what aphoenix does, and it just kind
(13:26):
of stays and it you never knowwhen it's going to happen.
It's usually, I mean, in HarryPotter, it's like 90 years, but
I think that we have phoenixmoments all the time or at least
I do, and it's great.
NorCal Guy (13:36):
I like that, your favorite scene.
Post Wook (13:39):
Currently like starting like a new.
I want to call it a diet.
It's like a food plan to likehelp regulate my hormones a
little bit.
NorCal Guy (13:47):
Oh, okay, yeah.
Post Wook (13:48):
So it's not as exciting as I think.
My favorite food would be moreof like an indulgent thing at
this point.
But there's this restaurantnear my house called home,
ironically enough and they makethis really good like short rib
pot pie.
It's just amazing.
But it's all homemade typethings, like it's something
you'd expect, like your mom, tomake.
I love it, and that pot pie isamazing.
(14:10):
It is so good.
Definitely.
If I had to pick something, itwould probably be the pot pie or
macaroni and cheese I reallylike good mac.
NorCal Guy (14:18):
It doesn't get compost.
I mean, I would almost havethis together, I.
Post Wook (14:21):
I mean I would too, but then I would be, my body
would scream at me.
NorCal Guy (14:29):
What's the best piece of advice you have been
given?
Ever, yeah, does one stand out?
Post Wook (14:36):
Man.
Oh, there's like so many.
One of the things that reallyreally, really has always stuck
out to me is just like you can'tcompare your journey to someone
else's and, in a little way, islike you can't compare your
insides to someone else'soutsides, and I think that that
advice is compounded on my lifein the past few years.
(14:59):
So it used to just mean for me,like social media, like oh,
that person looks so perfect.
And then it really has turnedinto more of just like you have
no idea what's going on insomeone's life but you know
everything about yours, so likeyou can't compare and even judge
.
It's turned into judgment forme too, of just like I can't
judge someone else's lifebecause I have no idea what's
(15:22):
really happening behind thescenes and I know everything
about me, so it's, I just can't.
I think, yeah, probably don'tcompare your insides to someone
else's outsides.
NorCal Guy (15:32):
I like that.
It's hard, especially in thisspace, because I mean it's very
surface level.
Post Wook (15:38):
The comparison that I that really got kicked into
like fifth gear when I first gotinto the space, cause I had
like worked on it and I was likecool with like certain things,
but this was like a new use casefor me to be like, okay, how do
I apply this mantra to thisenvironment.
And it was hard.
I remember like the super botwas like hard to look at
(15:59):
sometimes, cause when I firstgot into the space, like I
wasn't like struggling, but Idefinitely was stressed.
When I would pay rent, you know, like I wasn't happy about it.
I would actually flip off mycomputer every time Because I
was just.
I just I was.
I was upset, you know where.
I think that like seeing justlike these crazy life changing
numbers all the time was hard,but then I really applied that
(16:19):
of like you have no idea whatsomeone else is going through.
You have no idea what someoneelse needs applied that of like
you have no idea what someoneelse is going through.
You have no idea what someoneelse needs.
If I had a runner up, it wouldbe like you always get what you
need.
You might not always get whatyou want, but you'll always get
what you need, and that's beenhuge in my life too.
It's just like you always getwhat you need and sometimes you
need things at different times.
Like I'm so glad that likethings didn't just immediately
(16:39):
blow up for me in 2021.
Because if they did, I meanwe've seen how a lot of those
artists they're leaving.
They've left.
Like it's different.
They don't have the samemomentum.
People expected the world outof them and it was unfair to
them that they were expected todo so much.
I'm glad I didn't actually getcaught up in that.
I felt very inadequate in thebeginning.
(16:59):
I was like what's wrong with me?
I'm like this really popularartist on Instagram why aren't
people connecting to my workhere, and I'm actually really
glad it took time, because Ireally got to understand the
tech, understand the people,understand the community, be a
part of it, be really enmeshedin it in a way that now I
couldn't actually imagine mylife without it, which might
(17:20):
sound sad, but that's where I'mat.
I just really enjoy.
I feel like I've met a lot ofpeople in the space that I
consider my friends, and I tryto surround myself with people
who, if everything went to zero,I would still call them my
friends, and I really feel likeI've found those people, which
is really nice.
NorCal Guy (17:40):
That's awesome.
I like that a lot.
Do you have advice for artistscoming into the space, into the
art crypto art space?
Post Wook (17:49):
I think it would be what I just said, but I'll say
it again of make friends withpeople that you would be friends
with regardless of the space.
So if everything went to zero,would you still be friends with
this person?
I like to do little check-inslike that, just like in my
everyday life with people aswell.
Like I like to ask myself andjust feel do I feel drained
after this interaction with thisperson?
(18:10):
How does this person, how do Ifeel after like a phone call?
Do I have more frustration orquestions?
So I think about that in cryptoas well.
It's just like is this someonethat I would hang out with if
everything went to zero?
Ideally the answer is yes, andI think there's varying levels
of like interactions with people.
Right, if it's like someone ona space, you don't have to like
go crazy.
But it's like the people I'mlike spending like phone calls,
(18:33):
hours on hours with, like inreal life, like they're all
people that I would genuinely befriends with outside of the
space.
And I've met people that we havea lot in common outside of the
space, from the space, which isgreat.
Like I just call, I mean alittle shout out to Buna.
He works for Schiller.
Like him and I have so much incommon and I am so grateful that
(18:54):
him and I are friends because Ifeel like he's someone that
just like perfectly fit into mylife and I just really
appreciate knowing someone likethat, even from this space, like
he would be in my liferegardless.
You know, like if, like I wentto where he lives and just met
him, like we would be friends.
So I just love that thatconnection still holds true here
.
So that would be my biggestpiece of advice, because
(19:16):
sometimes I get shilled I'm sureyou get shilled DMs of people
that it's just very cold and Idon't think there's anything
wrong with starting aconversation.
But there's a very bigdifference in my perspective
between a conversation starterand a cold pitch, and I think
that there's even a way to do aconversation right.
(19:36):
But that's why I think thatnumber one rule is so important,
because I genuinely think thatpeople who you would genuinely
be friends with and things thatyou can actually talk to them
about, they're going to be thepeople you want to surround
yourself with, more than peoplethat like oh hi, I have a new
piece for sale, and that's.
I guess that's the other thing Iwould say is like one don't
(19:58):
focus all your energy on sales,because that's not even what the
space is about.
And the way I look at that is Iview all of us like we work at,
like a startup, like we allwork at a tech startup together,
and all the artists are in thecreative department and we have
a lot of fun.
Our group chats are reallycrazy and cool and like those
are definitely the people youdon't want to be talking to if
things all went to zero.
(20:18):
That you don't like, like,really, because like the people
I'm on the phone with most ofthe time and having these
conversations with and likesending memes back and forth,
they're not collectors, they'reartists, because they're people
I genuinely enjoy and they knowhow my brain works.
So it's really important for meto have conversations with
people like that.
But the creative department isjust one department and I think
(20:40):
that's how I helped look at,because I remember when I got in
, a lot of people didn't look atPFPs and art differently, but
now they do.
So I view the trading PFPs.
They're in a differentdepartment and that's totally
fine, but they're in thetraining department and that's
not my department, and thenyou've got people in a different
department, and that's totallyfine, but they're in the
training department and that'snot my department.
And then you've got people inthe finance department, and then
you've got people in like theacquisition department, and like
we all work at the same startupthough, and I say that because
(21:02):
if you work at a startup, yourmain focus isn't going to be how
much money you're making.
Like Google, employees don't gointo the office every day.
Like making a quarter millionin my salary Like that's awesome
, like they don't think aboutthat.
They build the product, and weare building the product.
We're building the openmetaverse, like we're building
the decentralized internet.
So the way I see it is, if wefocus on the product that's
being built so like all theartists are making all the art
(21:23):
to be a part of thedecentralized internet, then
everything else kind of fallsinto place, because everyone
else is working towards theproduct, and sometimes the
product is going to be.
There's going to be a day whereFTX just tweets like one what
you know, and whatever, butthere's going to be moments
where things go haywire.
It is a startup, but if we viewthe space as a startup and you
(21:44):
associate yourself with peoplethat you would want to talk to
if everything went to zero.
In my opinion, you can't lose.
You can't fail Cause at at theend of the day, you've made cool
friends with people that youactually like and you've helped
build a really awesome productand like.
How is that not a win?
NorCal Guy (22:00):
to me, that's a win yeah, I definitely like that
because I mean sometimes spend alot of time in the dms news.
It is interesting how it bringsit to another level when you
meet people in person, though,like if you have that connection
, you're like, oh, this is agood friend, especially when you
meet in person oh yeah, I feellike the people I've met in
(22:21):
person of like it's really likesolidified it for me and that's
why it's so nice.
Post Wook (22:26):
When I go to events, I usually have like this one
person that I meet that I likedon't mean to meet, and I ended
up having these conversationswith them, and it's someone that
maybe I've talked to a littlebit online and maybe I don't,
but even still they're peoplethat I actually don't really
talk to too much online.
I just hit them up beforeevents.
I'm like, hey, are you going?
(22:46):
Like I really want to make sureI can see you, and then we have
a blast in person and to me,like that's fine, like it's just
like in real life, like I havefriends that are really bad
texters and I have friends thatare really bad with phone calls
and I have friends that are justreally good in person and I
don't think there's anythingwrong with those things.
And I think that, especiallywhen it comes to the space yeah,
I mean finding those comies butthen, like knowing where they
(23:09):
might communicate best with you,I think is good to do for sure
if you could live or moveanywhere, where would you live
and why?
I have a three-way tie.
I really like I don't even knowlike technically, like what the
area is.
I mean, okay, if I really hadto pick marin county, this is in
(23:32):
, they're all in California.
So the short answer isCalifornia, marin County, like
Apple.
Valley or like La Jolla in SanDiego, or just like put me on
the coast right near, likeMendocino.
NorCal Guy (23:47):
Okay, nice.
Post Wook (23:48):
That's probably where I would go.
I love California.
NorCal Guy (23:51):
No complaints about any of those.
Post Wook (23:53):
No, I mean, California is awesome and like.
I think the coolest thing aboutCalifornia is you can leave
whenever you want, but the songHotel California is very real.
You could never actually leave.
I think that's the problem.
You can, you can check outanytime you like, but you'll
never actually leave.
And it's just, it's just such aperfect place.
I mean again, more song lyricsjust getting corny, but it's
(24:17):
just, it just is.
It's like I love when you go upNorth.
There's all of the beautifuloutdoorsy stuff.
You have big Sur, redwoods,you've got cliffs, you've got I
mean, I don't know my family'sfrom like Salinas, so it's not
super pretty, but you've gotlike nice rolling hills.
You can go to the pier and lookat seals.
I don't know if that's anyinterest, but like even San
(24:39):
Francisco, it's just got like alot of history.
Marin County is absolutelygorgeous, just beautiful
landscape.
And then down in San Diego, Imean even LA, like there's some
I like, I like like downtown Iknow it's an unpopular opinion
because there's a lot of ArtDeco architecture which I'm
really obsessed with but I thinkthat even parts of Hollywood I
just really love the 1920sarchitecture that this city is
(25:01):
left behind.
It's pretty much the extent ofwhat I like about Los Angeles,
but that's fine, just thearchitecture.
And then I just, I don't know,you just go down to Dana Point,
beautiful beaches, and then evenfurther, like La Jolla is just
absolutely gorgeous.
Then you go out to the desert,like Palm Springs, like are you
kidding me?
And then like Tahoe, like youcannot lose, it's just the best
place.
NorCal Guy (25:22):
Right?
Well, it's all the answer.
I like it.
I mean, I live in Californiatoo.
Post Wook (25:28):
Wait, actually I have one more though.
Oh, because I'm a scuba diverand I'm very, very passionate
about being underwater with abreathing machine.
It's something I love to do.
I've actually been scubacertified for 10 years, which is
crazy to think about.
But there's a little dive island.
It's off the coast of Venezuela, it's shaped like a boomerang
(25:50):
and it's got a little island inthe center of the boomerang and
it's got a little like island inthe center like of the
boomerang type of thing, andit's called bonair and it's one
of the abc islands.
So you've got aruba, bonair andcuracao.
Curacao is where everyone goesto like party and same with
aruba, but no one goes to bonairbecause there's nothing to do
in bonair besides dive.
And it's amazing because it's adive island and I would live on
(26:11):
the dive island because it'sgorgeous, absolutely gorgeous.
They've got I mean the reefs aredined everywhere, but it's the
most beautiful blue.
The water pretty much has likeno undercurrent.
If there's any divers, they'llknow what I'm talking about.
So, like when you go to likecertain places like the water
will actually like push you backjust because there's like too
(26:31):
much of a current.
But in Bonaire it's like prettyshallow.
So shallow, meaning like 60meters, and there isn't too much
of an undercurrent just becauseof the way that the water moves
.
I don't actually know thescience of it, but it's great.
It's a great place to dive andI probably will croak there, to
be honest with you Cool, cool Doyou have any questions for me.
(26:55):
Yeah, what's your favoriteanimal?
Don't say octopus.
Give me your second favorite.
I've listened to your podcast.
What's your second favoriteanimal?
NorCal Guy (27:05):
Second favorite.
Oh my goodness.
Post Wook (27:07):
Purple.
NorCal Guy (27:08):
They're on me off here.
Damn, that's hard.
Post Wook (27:13):
I have a few questions for you actually, so
just get ready.
NorCal Guy (27:16):
All right, I don't know, I don't know, I'm going to
go with maybe a cat.
Post Wook (27:20):
Cat.
NorCal Guy (27:21):
Yeah.
Post Wook (27:22):
Ted is here.
He's lovely.
I love cats.
I know he saved my life.
To be honest with you, I thinkcats are healing magic, amazing
creatures, big fan.
Cats are healing magic, amazingcreatures, big fan.
My other question is becauseyou asked what was my first
thought about nfts.
I'm curious what yours were.
Just like how did you?
Or even like, if you want to gofurther, like crypto we've
(27:45):
talked a little bit just abouthomesteading and if everything,
everything goes to zero, I feellike I'd be well equipped to
live my life.
But yeah, I'm just curious,like how did that happen for you
?
NorCal Guy (27:58):
So crypto, I guess I fell into that easy, well,
easier.
I just I've been like alibertarian for a long time.
It just seemed to make sense tome and I heard about it early
on.
I was like, oh well, that'sawesome, it doesn't involve the
government, so perfect.
(28:20):
So I was like awesome, so thatmade sense to me.
Nfts was different because whenthey, you know, were first kind
of introduced, it was like kindof a games and not my thing,
and I was just like that'sreally dumb, people are doing
stupid stuff over there, and soI ignored it for until like 2020
(28:44):
oh, okay, so about the sametime, because I'm sure, like
when you say games, are youtalking like nba top shot or
like earlier oh, like the cryptokitties, like they were like
kitties and stuff and I was likethat's just dumb, I don't.
I don't know why I would do that, so it was like a waste of time
, you know, I know hindsightthose guys made some decent
(29:05):
money, but also like yeah, so,but that's what I I started on
nba top shots.
I got in on that and had fun,and then I rolled into the other
stuff after that.
Post Wook (29:17):
I think a lot of people like rolled.
I think it makes sense to kindof like roll in here, that's
cool.
So I've listened to other podsand I know that you went to
school for a little bit fordesign and you like topography
and that's why you dropped acollection.
So I'm going to ask an annoyingquestion but what's your
favorite font?
NorCal Guy (29:36):
Oh no, that's a terrible question because I am
out of that business for likeforever.
I don't even remember thatthere was a font like that font
like we had to draw, hand drawthat, all those fonts at least,
like pick the phrase, basicallythat we liked, and we had to
hand draw it.
And the teacher was like no,you need like a little more
(29:56):
curve here, like that, it's likeit's not right.
You're like, oh, and then wehad to scan it and then trace it
in illustrator.
So I don't even remember.
I'm blanking on font names atthe moment.
I would probably go with I likethe acerapharm, I guess it's
more classic I mean, that's whatthat collection was, I believe
(30:19):
was all like a serif.
Post Wook (30:21):
It was like a serif type font.
I'm not like super into fontsbut I think they're interesting
and the old schoolness of havingto scan it I like love that.
I feel like digital art hascome and just like digital
anything has just come such along way.
But I see, because one of myfavorite things to do when I go
to like vintage thrift storetype things is I don't like to
(30:42):
look at clothes or furniture, Ilike to look at books and
magazines, specificallymagazines, because I mean, one,
it's a place for source material.
Two, I love vintage ads.
I love the fact that ads usedto have copy on them.
They literally used to have awhole paragraph of like just
something that someone would sayI mean, there's a whole show,
mad Men, based off of that copythat was written.
(31:04):
And it's just so interestingbecause some of the fonts that
you see in these ads are stillbeing used now.
Oh right, right, and they'vejust stayed popular.
It's so cool.
So I studied political scienceand history in college and, like
history has always beensomething I've like really loved
to like connect dots with andjust like being able to see how
(31:28):
humans are actually not thatdifferent than we used to be is
big to me, because I think thatif we put Benjamin Franklin in
2023, he probably wouldn'tunderstand like the technology
and that'd be like a really bighurdle.
But once he got like up tospeed about the culture, he'd be
just as smart as we are.
I've seen AI versions of himdressed as like a normal person.
He'd look like anyone's dad ata Phillies game, right.
I generally think that we areall just kind of figuring it out
(31:52):
and that's like the beauty andthe humility of it all Right,
but the fonts, especially, Ifind it interesting.
Like I drive by this like cardealership and they have this
font that I really like and Iknow they printed that in like
the nineties and I just love it.
I love the fact that it's stillthere.
I'm trying to think Okay, so wehave talked about homesteading,
but not on a podcast.
So, just to catch people up, weboth really like to grow things
(32:14):
.
I'm really into the idea ofowning land that is mine that I
can just do whatever I want with, and I have gathered you are
too.
So my question is if you had tohave a homestead, I need your
like perfect spread.
So for me that would be like Iwould need some chickens, I
would want a cow, probably a fewgoats, because they're like
(32:34):
trash cans, and then I wouldwant obviously like herbs but
like peppers, want obviouslylike herbs, duh, but like
peppers, tomatoes, squash, fruit.
If I could depending on where Ilived but then like weird things
like milk, thistle and likemedicinal, kind of like herbs,
dandelion and for sure you know.
So I'm just like that's what Iwould do.
(32:56):
I'd probably eat like mostlyvegan.
If I had a homestead, I likewouldn't want to like slaughter
my own animals, or if yourhomestead was near my homestead
and you did, you could like shipme stuff and I could ship you
herbs I don't know we can getjoelle and we can have her ship
us dick butts.
I don't know, but that's myquestion yeah, I mean I'd love
(33:16):
how.
NorCal Guy (33:17):
I go back and forth about how I would do it, but I
definitely want chickens, goats,goats would be cool.
I don't know if I want anylarger livestock, just because I
don't know how much work theyare.
Post Wook (33:27):
A lot.
NorCal Guy (33:29):
But definitely a garden.
I always go back and forthbetween an aquaponics type setup
with fish, so I think thatwould be really good.
It'd have to be next to a watersource to have a year-round
creek so something.
Think that would be really goodIf you had NB.
It'd have to be like next to awater source to have like a year
round creep so something likethat, so you could grow stuff
year round would be nice andlike a nice wow, blinking on it,
(33:51):
Sun, road thing, greenhouse.
Post Wook (33:55):
Greenhouse, greenhouse, sun would be nice
and a greenhouse yeah,greenhouses are key.
I I mean that's like the firstthing I'm gonna do when I have a
yard.
It's just like build agreenhouse yeah, so something
like that.
NorCal Guy (34:09):
I mean, definitely we've grown stuff outside, but I
think, uh, aquaponics setupwould be cool.
Post Wook (34:14):
You got some protein there with the fish and
fertilizing your stuff I thinkwe've talked about that before,
but I think like aquaponics arelike I'm a big fan of just like
sustainability when it comes tothings like that.
I mean, it rained so much in LAand I have so much like
captured rainwater right now.
That makes me so happy, butthen all my plants got thrips,
so now they're all in bagsdownstairs.
(34:35):
It looks really weird.
It's getting better.
I think I'm like 90% over it,but so I have just all this like
rainwater.
That's just like outside andI'm like so ready to water my
plants, but I just have noability to water them right now
but oh, the other thing I wouldprobably want a herding no, I
wouldn't have sheep.
So maybe not a herding dog, buta cat to like, kill mice, and
then a horse to get around Forsure.
(34:57):
I really want a horse.
I like horses.
My grandma had horses and I'vealways just I'm not like a horse
girl.
I didn't grow up thinking aboutthem, but they're like big dogs
and to me that's just.
There's something like magicalabout them.
I look at a horse, I'm justlike how is this thing real?
I've also been putting them inmy work a lot lately.
I don't know, I just kind oflike them.
I'm kind of a big fan of ahorse.
NorCal Guy (35:19):
Yeah, I mean, I guess the one thing that I guess
is good, you can put them togood work as well, like they can
pull stuff If we're talkingabout, if we're really off the
grid.
You don't have access to fuelor anything, they can definitely
move some muscle.
Post Wook (35:33):
Okay, I guess I have one more.
Do you think everything iseventually ever going to go to
zero?
Like that like, that level oflike.
We need homesteads.
The apocalyptic question.
NorCal Guy (35:45):
I mean, that's a huge, that's a huge.
What if no?
But I think people could be cutoff from stuff.
Post Wook (35:52):
Yeah.
NorCal Guy (35:53):
Like with a credit, social credit score.
Post Wook (35:55):
Yeah, like a little black mirror.
Well, it's funny because so mydad works for NASA and we have
conversations that are justabsolutely insane.
Like we just talk about things,like we've thought about it, we
should just record these and,like make them a podcast,
because people would love tohear this.
Because, I asked him somethingsimilar once about like the grid
, and he was like, well, thegrid is great and, like so much,
(36:19):
of us rely on technology in ourday to day, but, like solar
winds are an actual concern whenit comes to the power grid,
because of a solar wind from thesun came and, like, gusted off
the sun towards Earth.
It could knock out our entirepower grid, at least on like
half the country or half theworld.
Right, half the planet doesn'thave an electrical grid anymore
(36:39):
until they get it back up andrunning and there's nothing we
could do about it.
Because do you do about the sun?
There's no sun insurance, right?
So in that way, I think humanswill probably cannibalize each
other, maybe not like physically, but metaphorically, but I
definitely think, yeah, likesomething weird could happen,
like an asteroid or solar gustor something.
(37:01):
Yeah, because this universe iswild.
The more I learn about it, themore I'm just like what.
We are such an anomaly to beable to live like this, like
it's such a gift.
It's such a gift that we get tolive at the same time as cats.
NorCal Guy (37:16):
That's how I feel do you have any upcoming projects
or shout outs yes, so when doesthis come out?
Post Wook (37:23):
do you think like a month?
It might be a week or two okay,so we're recording this like
the week before new york, so Ihave like a few things happening
in new york.
I have a new dynamic piececoming out with transient labs.
I think they're previewing itin new york, but it might be
after.
You own my other one, right?
You own the citric acid, Ithink, right, or did you bid on
(37:46):
it and did someone outbid you?
I don't remember.
NorCal Guy (37:47):
I might've just bid on it?
Oh, maybe I don't know.
I don't remember it beingdynamic, but maybe it is.
Post Wook (37:53):
I think it is, I don't know.
I'll have to check.
I do have a dynamic piece.
NorCal Guy (37:56):
I'll have to check that too.
Yeah, cause check that to you?
Post Wook (37:58):
Yeah, because if it is the one I think it is, it
changes every night and day, sobased on your local time, it
gets like crazier.
It's pretty cool, but this oneit's really interesting.
So I basically just told Ben Iwas like I want it to be as
random as possible and I wantevery layer to like move at a
different speed.
So what we did is there's fivedifferent layers and they have
(38:20):
five different speeds they canrun at, and it's like from three
to 10 seconds each.
So every time you refresh thepiece it changes.
Oh, wow.
And the intervals that eachlayer change at also change
every time you refresh the piece.
So he was showing me the code.
If you load it up and then it'slike layers one, two, three,
(38:42):
four and five, it's like threeseconds, six seconds, nine
seconds and eight seconds, Ifyou refresh it those frequencies
will change again, so it'llchange at a different speed.
Every single time you refreshit.
It'll change and every layerchanges at a different speed
anyway.
But then there's littlekeywords you can type into your
keyboard.
(39:02):
You don't even have to pressenter, you just type them in and
then it changes to like a verylike preset palette.
So one is like red, one ispurple, one is blue and there's
keywords for them.
They're eight letter keywords.
I'm not going to say what theyare, but it's really cool and
it's very random and the piecemoves like very quickly.
It's like that.
I mean We've all seen that likeviral video of like a chameleon
(39:24):
dreaming it like looks likethat, Like it just is moving
like very crazy.
It's.
It's really cool.
When I can show you, I will.
NorCal Guy (39:33):
I can't wait.
Post Wook (39:34):
He showed me yesterday.
So I like this is very fresh,alpha, no-transcript, burn it to
(40:11):
like, really encourage peopleto like, have fun, but keeping
it very contained.
We're doing like a capsulegamification.
We're not going crazy, it'sgoing to be very small.
So those are like the bigthings, but I guess the biggest
thing that I'm doing I haven'teven mentioned this at all is
I'm the creative director for astartup like legitimately, not
just like my metaphor and wehave bought space, like physical
(40:33):
space, on a SpaceX satelliteand we're sending audio files
and photos into outer space.
That anyone wants so?
if you wanted to take a pictureof your cat and put it into
space, you could, and your catwill literally live in space
forever.
Or a picture of like a lovedone, or like an audio clip of
them, like telling them that youlove them or whatever, and it
(40:55):
will literally live in spaceforever.
So we hired engineers aboutlike a year ago at this point to
be able to do this.
We've tested it.
It's really cool.
My eyes glazed over in thosemeetings, but that's not my job
anyway.
So it's fine and we have theability to literally send these
things into space as lightparticles, which is really cool.
(41:16):
And then it can be whatever youwant.
So then there's like an NFTcomponent attached to it as like
the form of like a missionbadge.
So it's like you go and you buyit for I don't know, like it's
like 20, and then you record itand then you get an nft with it
and then the nft changes fromlike holding to like up in space
(41:36):
, to like out, into the likeyour thing has gone out, and
then it comes back down andthere's like a whole bunch of
different like, little likeversions of it.
So there's like one for peopleif it's for a loved one that's
passed, it's like rest among thestars.
And then it's like, if it's fora significant other, it's I
love you forever.
And then for kids there's likemy first mission.
So it's like for a little kidputting something into space.
(41:58):
And I designed these littlecards.
They're meant to becertificates that go in each
confirmation, just kind of likepackage.
It's just like a little likewelcome package and you get like
a little mission badge stickerthat I also designed and we're
currently working on thewebsites for it.
But that should be going liveideally at the end of this year,
if not Q1, q2 of 2024.
(42:21):
Okay not bad and it's crazy.
We have like a ton of space onthe satellite.
I think it's something like 2million spaces like space on the
hard drive.
So we're really trying to likehit like a wide audience and
it's just really cool Like I metthis guy who put me on through
like crypto dick butts literally, and it's been like really
awesome.
I genuinely am like very mydreams have come true.
(42:47):
I've always wanted to be acreative director.
So the fact that I get to dothat is really awesome.
And I get to be a crypto broand I get to be an artist.
So it's like I wake up everyday to my sunrise alarm clock
and I'm just like I love my life.
There's birds chirping, I havea cat next to me, I'm a creative
director, I get to be a cryptobro.
It's awesome.
So that's the big thing thatI'm doing right now.
NorCal Guy (43:06):
Right, I like it.
That's awesome.
Post Wook (43:10):
It's pretty cool.
I mean like when he told me theidea it's like we're going to
send screams into space Peoplecan just yell and we're going to
send it into space I was like,okay, I like it.
I like it a lot.
And I told my dad, who works atNASA, he was like haven't you
seen alien?
The quote if you scream intospace, no one will hear you.
And I was like well, we're notscreaming into space, they're
(43:31):
light particles that go intospace.
But it is really cool becausewe've actually gotten we've like
bent the ability for thetechnology to work, which I
think is like really awesome.
NorCal Guy (43:40):
Cool Well Postwood, thank you so much for taking
some time out of your day andspending it with me.
I really appreciate it.
Post Wook (43:48):
You too, really, really, really appreciate it.
And Ted, who's here?
That no one can see, but he'sin your heart and that's what
matters.
NorCal Guy (43:54):
Right, awesome.
Well, I hope you have a greatday and we'll talk soon.
Post Wook (43:58):
Sounds good, talk soon.
Date and we'll talk soon.
Sounds good, talk soon.
Who is?
NorCal Guy (44:02):
this guy?
Who is this guy?
Who is this guy?
Who is this guy?
Who?
Post Wook (44:07):
is this guy?
Nor calder, nor tell it, norcalder.
Nor cal guy, nor cal guy.
NorCal Guy (44:13):
Nor cal guy, nor cal guy nor cal and shill podcast
show it's show time your cow andshow podcast what the show your
cow and show podcast show.
Outro (44:26):
It's show time, your cow, and show podcast what the show.
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.