April 3, 2025 • 29 mins
Me Llamo Matt brings his unique perspective as an entrepreneur, investor, and founder of the Me Llamo Art Foundation to an engaging conversation about the evolution of digital ownership. What begins with his personal journey from crypto skepticism to NFT advocacy opens the door to profound insights about value, patience, and human connection in the digital age.
Matt's storytelling shines when he discusses his dream of living on an Italian lake with an antique wooden boat, revealing how our digital-focused community still craves authentic experiences shared with loved ones. His advice to "take care of yourself before taking care of others" offers a refreshing counterbalance to the always-on nature of Web3, while his observation that "great leaders follow themselves" celebrates the independent thinking that drives innovation.
Drawing fascinating parallels between the evolution of music consumption, books, cash transactions, and now art ownership, Matt builds a compelling case for digital property as legitimate property. "Just wait," he encourages those skeptical about NFT display limitations, predicting that technological advances will soon make our early collections look "phenomenal" and historically significant.
The conversation takes an unexpectedly moving turn when Matt connects the Shawshank Redemption quote "Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies" to the current state of Web3. In a market that tests patience, his passionate belief in hope as our guiding force resonates deeply with anyone who's weathered the ups and downs of emerging technologies.
From his early baseball card trading savvy to his surprising poker skills and the meaningful work of the Me Llamo Art Foundation, Matt exemplifies how traditional values of community, integrity, and strategic patience translate perfectly into the digital frontier. Connect with the foundation on Twitter @MellamoArt to support their mission of creating diverse and inclusive spaces for artists.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
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Hey everyone, welcome to thisnext episode of NorCal and Shill
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Today we have Miyamo Matt.
Matt is an entrepreneur,investor, amateur photographer,
always looking for the nextopportunity, the founder of
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Miyamo Art Foundation.
Everybody, please, welcomeMiyamo Matt.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Hey, matt, welcome to the podcast.
How are you doing today?
I'm doing great thanks.
How are you?
I'm good.
I'm good, day's going well, theweather is nice and I'm in an
office, it's great.
Yeah, I know, and I'm in anoffice, it's great.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah, I know I'm sitting inside too.
Spring finally has come toOregon.
We should be doing this outside, it would be great, that would
be great.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I wish I could do more of these in person.
It'd be great.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Really seriously.
We could have driven halfway toAshland, oregon, or somewhere
in that area.
We could have hung out at awinery.
Next time we'll do thattogether, like we should make
that commitment to everybodylistening.
That Sunday you and I will doone live halfway between where
we go.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
We could do that.
Or I mean, maybe we should planlike something like in Santa
Rosa.
Is there a flight from Portlandto Santa Rosa?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
There is a nonstop.
I totally in.
Next time you send me aninvitation, you invite me to
Santa Rosa.
I am there, I'll pick up thewine.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Well, we'll get Chicago.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
We'll be like Chicago we're coming to your spot.
I would love that we need to dothat for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
So what were your first thoughts when you heard
about NFTs, crypto art?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah, so my answer is similar but a little different
than others.
For me, it goes back to when Ifirst heard about crypto.
I had a very negative reactionto crypto and I was resistant to
that and I thought, oh, that'sdumb, why do we need something
other than US dollars?
But then, once I understoodblockchain technology and I
bought into that and I became abeliever of crypto, moving to
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NFTs was actually pretty easyfor me.
It made a lot of sense to havedigital ownership of, or digital
art on, the blockchain, and thefirst convo I can specifically
remember about crypto was insummer of 2021 with my cousin,
chris Haitha, who did theRoHomes and the High Rises
project.
We were at his brother'swedding and a bunch of people
were talking about crypto in apositive manner, which is not
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always the way it goes whenyou're sitting in a group of
people, and Chris started.
He hadn't released Real Homesyet, but he started talking
about it and so obviously I waspretty open to it, because
here's my cousin in a positiveconvo and it just it made a lot
of sense.
So I actually was a believer inNFTs fairly quickly.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Nice, that's good, better than me, but it's awesome
.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah Well, I feel like you discovered crypto way
before me, so really no, it'snot better.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
If you could live or move anywhere, where would it be
and why?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I freaking love this question.
Every time you ask it, I stopwhat I'm doing and just think
what my answer would be, andI've always actually dreamed of
being asked this question.
So, and then I thought about it, I still wavered 12 different
places, right, but I came downto my first thing would be I
would live in the same town orarea as our three children and
their families, becauseultimately, to me that's the
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most important is to haveexperiences with your family.
Now, that being said, if Icould convince the three kids
and their families, theirspouses and kids to move
wherever I wanted to, I wouldlive on one of the big lakes in
Northern Italy, so Lake Como orLake Maggiore.
I would want a villa on the lake, I would want a dock, I would
want one of those old woodenantique boats, but I wouldn't
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want to take care of it.
So I guess I would need a localkid to take care of the boat
too.
And then I'd want to just beable to like, call people up and
go hey, come on over, let's goout on the boat and let's cruise
over to an Italian restaurantwith some pasta and some food,
and I think that'd be the placeI'd want to live.
That'd be nice Sounds veryrelaxing It'd be cool.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
What's the best piece of?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
advice you've been given.
Yeah, it's always so hard, youknow, by my personality,
whenever people say what's thebest, I always have to have two,
but at least I can cut it offat two.
I don't need three or four.
But a couple of the words ofadvice that I have been
following lately one is takecare of yourself before you take
care of others, and that'sreally important.
And sometimes when you do thatand you follow it, you actually
get it's kind of frowned upon.
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It's like, for instance, mighthave a really busy day or a few
busy days, and I might be like,well, I got to take care of
myself first, so today I'm goingto sleep in an hour longer.
Or today I'm going to sneak outand go for a walk or play
around a golf or whatever.
And people are like, well,you're being irresponsible, you
golf or whatever.
And people are like, well,you're being irresponsible,
you're being lazy.
And I'm always like, no, I'mtaking care of myself first so
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that I can be effective andefficient and I can then take
care of others.
And I think, especially in thisspace, a lot of people forget
that.
The other advice I like butmaybe I just use it to
rationalize my own behavior is.
Good leaders follow the rules.
Great leaders follow themselves.
So every time I break a rule,if I get called out on it, I
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just think well, that must meanI'm a great leader, because I'm
following myself rather than therule.
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
All right, all right, I like it, I like it.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Feel free to steal it anytime you want.
I know I stole it from someone.
You use that with my kids orsomething.
Yeah, no, because then you'reteaching your kids it's okay to
break the rules.
Oh, true.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Don't do that, all right?
Did you collect art or anythingelse before crypto art?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, I didn't really collect art because my wife and
I have always lived inrelatively small houses with
limited walls.
I always admired art, I alwaysenjoyed looking at it, but if we
wanted to pick up a piece ofart and put it on a wall, it
created a negotiation, and oneof my secrets to a long, happy
marriage is limit negotiationsas much as possible.
So I didn't ever collect a lotof art.
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But, with that being said, Idefinitely have a personality to
collect things, without a doubt.
From as soon as I can remember,I was collecting baseball cards
, football cards.
I was always a Wheeler dealertoo.
I'll never forget when I wasabout six years old and it
must've been in the fall and thefootball cards just came out
and I got my dad to take me tothe drugstore and I talked him
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into buying a box of footballcards.
And I came back to my buddiesdown the street and they had
baseball cards that were 10 and15 years old even then and I
somehow I remember turning thatbox of brand new football cards
that this guy had to havebecause he was fumbling and I
turned it into literally like5,000 old baseball cards that he
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had no use for anymore.
Oh shoot, oh yeah.
So I've always been a collector.
I've collected watches a littlebit, cars a little bit, but
yeah.
So when I started collectingNFTs, it was just a natural
extension of my personality, forsure.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah.
What are the best things aboutWeb3 today?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
no-transcript.
It's just the people.
I love walking into these Web3events and I just love walking
up to strangers and I just saylike hi, I'm Matt, who are you?
And then I just sit back and Ijust love hearing the story and
it's always a great story andit's almost always a different
story.
That's the thing about Web3.
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And I think you would probablyagree it's addictive.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, it's good, the people are definitely keep you
around.
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.
Where do you see digital art inNFTs in five years and do you
have any concerns as it?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
expands.
I see far more mainstreamadoption.
I don't know if that's just mywish, because I'm heavily
invested, but I don't think itis.
I really do.
I think in some ways we wentthrough this with music.
I think you're old enough.
I know I'm old enough thatfirst you had records and then
you had tapes and then you hadCDs.
And then some people said, hey,take this, you can listen to
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music on your computers.
And you're like, no, I got tohave my physical thing, I got to
have my CD, I got to have myrecord and, by the way, the
music sounds really crappy on mycomputer and people would be,
yeah, but just wait, becausepretty soon we'll have great
speakers and there will be agreat way to listen to them.
And then it happened with books.
Right, like it happened withbooks.
And now so many people taketheir books digitally and they
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don't have libraries, like backin the day you'd walk in
someone's house and a whole wallwould be books.
Now they have a Kindle orAudible.
It's even happening withphysical cash and nobody really
talks about that.
And I'm not talking aboutbecause of blockchain, I'm
talking about just the averageperson today doesn't carry cash.
I don't carry cash Betweendoesn't carry cash.
I don't carry cash Betweencredit cards and Apple Pay and
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Venmo and Zelle and who carriescash anymore?
So if people don't have tocarry their CDs anymore and a
book and a magazine in cash,then why do they have to have
their art be physical?
Now there's another issue, likeI mean sure, we love physicals.
I have physicals up on my walls, but those, to me, are
representation of the NFT that Ihave and that's safe, and so I
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just think digital property isreal property and in so many
other areas that has been fullyaccepted and I just think within
five years it will be acceptedin art.
And part of the issue is it'slike I alluded to when we first
started listening to music onour computers.
Part of the issue is it's hardto view an NFT in a really
effective manner right now,right, unless you want to spend
like a lot of money on a tokenframe and not that would be able
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to do that.
But just wait, like, just wait.
It's coming, like technology isalways advancing.
So very soon we will have great, great ways to see our NFTs,
and then I actually think theNFTs that we bought in 2020 and
2021, 2022 will be historicaland they'll just look phenomenal
.
And that's where it's at.
I'm not really concerned aboutthe space expanding.
It's like anything when thingsexpand, you lose some of the
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maybe human connectiveness.
You lose some things but yougain other things, and this is
called change.
Right, things just change andso I'm not one to be concerned
about change.
I'm more like let's embrace itand let's find the positives in
it.
And let's embrace it, let'swork on that Like let's embrace
it and let's find the positivesin it and let's embrace it.
Let's work on that?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, I like that.
I like that a lot.
What makes you decide to buy apiece?
Do you watch the artists for awhile, get to know them, or is
it like I need that one combo ofall of the above?
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Well, I will occasionally say I absolutely
have to have that one, butthat's typically if, like, I
feel like you're looking at itand so I have to act quick and I
have to find the buy now button.
But if I'm not worried thatyou're about to swipe it from me
, then I probably have the sameanswer as just about everybody
else.
So I mean, first I have toconnect with the piece and then
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I have to decide if you're goingto connect with it or not.
And then, assuming I do connectwith it, I do need to believe
in the artist.
I have to either and some ofthat about believing in the
artist, like I have to believethat they're committed to the
space, that they're not just acash grab Not that I'm opposed
to artists making money I meanI'm super flexible, like you
should but that they'recommitted to the space, they're
doing it for the right reasonand that they're a good person.
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I mean it does affect me.
If I don't view them as like aparticularly good person, then I
don't really have an interestin collecting.
I don't have an interest incollecting their art, no matter
how much I connect with it, if Idon't, those, to me, are
important and it needs to befairly priced.
There's definitely been pieces Ilove from artists I love, and I
just don't think they're pricedto where the mark is, and
that's the collector mentalityto me, and I can't get over it.
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I feel like you might do thatsometimes too.
I just can't get over it and itkind of sucks because then the
artists think well, like well,wow, matt, that's kind of
judgmental or that's kind ofgatekeeping, and I'm like sorry,
it's just like I can't get overit.
I can't get over it, likethat's part of collecting, right
, like it's.
It just is what it is.
So they have to be fairlypriced, and I don't know exactly
what that is and everybody hastheir different opinion.
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But what I would say is if, inmy opinion, it's not fairly
priced, then I should not feelobligated to collect it.
I guess that's how I live.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I'm with you on that one.
I mean, I definitely, and Ialso have like a budget.
I'm like I'm not willing tospend over this much for a piece
.
So once an artist sometimesgoes above that, I'm out A
hundred percent.
Yep.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I'm the same way, for sure.
Do you have a favorite?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
movie quote.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I do.
So another question that I love.
So when I started thinkingabout this, I first just went to
my favorite movies, because,like, there's always a quote I
use all the time in a movie.
Like that's not necessarily myfavorite movie, like our family
and my friends often use a dumband dumber quote, like when Jim
Carrey says like to the girl sois there a one in a thousand
chance, or one in a million?
And the gal's like, well, atbest one in a million.
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He's like so you're sayingthere's a chance.
Like that's a quote I use a lot, but that's certainly not a
favorite quote.
So I went I started thinkingabout like.
So the movies that I love arelike.
I think that the Godfathermovies are insanely good.
They're so damn long butthey're super good.
Casablanca is just timeless.
It's a Wonderful Life.
It's a Wonderful Life is areally great movie for when
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you're an entrepreneur and yourbusiness is kind of sucking it
and you're struggling If you'rean entrepreneur, that's always
going to happen at some point inyour life and then when you're
down, you watch it's a WonderfulLife and you get modified.
It's kind of like Rocky and yougo kick ass.
But I ended up selling onShawshank Redemption, which is
like a movie I just absolutelylove.
I don't know if you've seen it.
Yeah, it is a great one.
Oh, it's so great.
And Andy Dufresne, the leadcharacter, he was pretty much
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just a perfect choir boy angelbefore he went to jail.
He unjustly gets accused andconvicted of murdering his wife.
He did not do it.
And then while he's in jailwhich is the whole part of the
movie, the primary part of themovie he actually turns like he
breaks a lot of rules.
He breaks a lot of laws.
He really starts but it's allfor the end, like how is he
going to escape?
There's two quotes from him thatto me are really important and
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I think they also apply to ourspace.
The main quote is when AndyDufresne says and he says it at
some point in the movie whenhe's probably been in jail for
years and years.
He's gone from a young man toan old man.
But he's people like how do youcarry on?
Like, well, he has his internalplan right To get out.
So he says hope is a good thing,maybe the best of things, and
no good thing ever dies.
I think that applies right nowto where some people are in our
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space.
Hope is a good thing.
The space is pretty dead.
It is what it is.
We're not selling, but hope isa good thing and hope will carry
us through.
And I just think, as long as wemaintain hope in the community
Web3, it's not dying, it's notgoing away.
And then the other quick quotehe had, which I think he did
right at the end of the movie,or maybe Morgan Freeman had this
quote, but it was like I guessit comes down to a simple choice
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Get busy living or get busydying.
Oh yeah, yeah, you know that'sjust life in general, right,
like, let's just get busy living.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Solid, solid, solid choices Cool.
What would you like to see moreof in the NFT space?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, I have a really short answer on this one
because I don't want to bepreachy or judgmental and it's
not very original, but it iswhat it is.
I would like to see morepatients.
I really think that is one ofthe biggest problems or
challenges with Web3 is lack ofpatience, and it's across the
board.
It's like I'm going to takenext week off and go on vacation
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and guaranteed I'm going to getpeople DMing me.
Matt, are you okay?
I haven't heard from you.
I haven't seen you on Twitter,are you okay?
And I know they mean well, butthat's a lack of patience
Because, like in real life, youmight not see your buddy for six
months, right, and you don'tworry that.
You see him at the bar in sixmonths and you're like, hey, how
are you doing?
And, of course, it has to dowith collecting pieces.
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People collect pieces andthey're like I'm a long-term
holder and then 30 days laterthey have it listed.
It's just not healthy, right?
It's just not healthy, thislack of patience.
And then the other thing Iwould like to see more of is a
willingness to try somethingdifferent.
There to see more of is awillingness to try something
different.
There's just a lot of followersin this space and I think maybe
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it comes from just a normalhuman instinct of the fear of
making mistakes.
I think maybe people are afraidto make mistakes and so if they
see somebody do something witha little bit of success, they're
like okay, that's a safe choice, so I'm going to do that, it
will work, whereas if I trysomething different it might be
a mistake.
But ironically it kind ofbecomes this I don't know if
it's a self-fulfilling prophecyor what it is, but it becomes
this thing where people copyuntil ultimately a bunch of
people do it, does fail, likewhatever the new hot thing is a
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burn mechanism.
The first four people that didit kicked butt the fifth person
everyone's like this is too much, I can't do it.
I missed the try thingsdifferent and I get.
When you try things different,you may not have a huge chance
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of success, but so many peopleare just like, oh no, you can't
do that.
They're like well, why not?
They're like, well, it's neverbeen done.
I'm like, okay, I don't acceptthat answer Like let's try
something different.
I guess that's what I wouldlike to see more of, is trying
new things and having morepatients.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, I like those answers.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I definitely agree with that.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Right.
What is the best thing and thesilliest thing you've spent
money on?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
So I didn't really know if this is a Web3 question
or in real life question.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
So I'm going to answer it both ways, okay, yeah,
yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
You can either leave them both in or you can edit it
out.
I don't care.
So Web3, without a doubt, thebest thing I've spent money on
is one-to-one art and fromcertain artists that are just
typically the ones that are bestare the artists that just
didn't expect it, Like they justthey know who I am and they're
like oh my God, thank you somuch for collecting.
So often it's an emergingartist.
Sometimes it's an artist that'sreally just down on their luck
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and they feel like they're notgetting any support and then all
of a sudden you can motivatethem and you can get them going.
I love buying the grails andthat's super cool, and you know
that isn't, to me, the best.
The best is, like I said, thepeople where you connect with
and you kind of catch them offguard and you get this genuine
human gratitude.
It makes a difference in theircareer and occasionally you can
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make a difference, and so thatwould be the best.
The silliest thing I spentmoney on in Web3 is well,
apparently, according toeverybody else is moonbirds, so
it seems pretty silly.
At this point I don't know whatelse I can say about it.
The worst part is I'm abeliever in DCAing, so when
Bitcoin and ETH were coming downfrom the top, I was DCAing, and
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somehow, someway I don't knowhow it happens I've been DCAing
Moonbirds too, and I don't knowwhy.
I just every now and thendecide well, if I buy one now,
it brings my costs down.
That's true.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I don't really buy any other PFPs, but I buy
moonbirds and I yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
You're trying to corner the market.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
No, I'm just trying to bring my costs down so
forever.
If, for some reason, somebodyFOMOs in, I can get back out, so
but in real life I would saythe best thing I ever spent
money on was when I did.
I've done it three times overthe course of my life is a
second home or a cabin?
Because what those really areare memory factories.
They create unbelievablememories with your family and
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your friends and your kids'friends, and I started doing it
maybe 30 years ago when we livedin Minnesota with a lake home.
We moved to Oregon, I bought aplace up in the mountains, and
not a day goes by where I don'tlook back and think of like you
remember that time eithersomething hilarious happened or
something disastrous happened,or the time our youngest son had
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broken his wrist at theplayground and we didn't believe
it and we took him to the lake,we made him tube and he was
holding onto the rope tubing andhe was probably nine years old
and he was whining and that hiswrist hurt and Matt was like oh,
don't be a baby.
Or on the lake.
And then Monday came and wesent him off to camp and we get
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a call like right away from thecounselor and is like you know,
I think your son has a brokenwrist.
Have you thought about takinghim to the hospital?
Like those are the memoriesthat you make.
That was not necessarily agreat one, but so that was the
best thing I've ever spent mymoney on in real life our cabins
or lake homes.
I love that one.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah.
And then the silliest thing waswhen I was I don't know.
I was young late 20s, early 30sI had some cash and I bought a
gray market Porsche that hadbeen brought over from Germany.
It was a 930.
They were barely street legal,I think.
If I recall right, a year ortwo earlier they were not street
legal in the US, and then theybecame street legal, and so I
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bought one, and the big giantwhale tail looked super awesome.
I thought this was just likethis is it, man, this is it.
And then I realized I was likeI couldn't drive it anywhere.
I own pizza delivery companies.
I couldn't drive it to workbecause we were always telling
our drivers not to speed.
Like you can't speed, we'llfire you if you speed.
So I can't drive, I can't letanybody that works in my car.
I can't, I couldn't drive itanywhere, so it was like the
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definition of silly, I guess.
So I sat in my garage for ayear or two and I sold it.
I would say, though, if I'dkept it, it probably wouldn't
have been silly today.
I feel like that car isprobably worth a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
There you go.
If you could commission a pieceand have two artists
collaborate on it, which twoartists would it be?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
All right, I got this one and it was not for lack of
work.
I know everybody says this isan impossible question and it is
not easy and everybody goesdown the same roads that I did
too, like Kath and who?
Or I've been geeking out onDK's work lately.
So I'm like, well, what if youwent with DK and Grant and you
had DK's animations runningaround at Grant?
But that's what everybody does.
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But then I came up with it.
I really believe in this one.
It's a complete bomb, but Ifeel like you would buy this,
you would collect this piece, ifwe could pull this one off, and
I've not heard anybody makethis suggestion.
Ack and Summer Wagner.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Oh yeah, I could see that combo.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Because Summer's pretty mythical, and so then you
put some of ACK's colors orsome of his skulls or whatever,
and some of his work, I feellike those two could crush it.
But that's the one I'm actuallykind of excited about, or
really excited.
I think that would be a reallycool collab, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I can see that one for sure.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Interesting.
What is one interesting factabout you that people might not
be aware?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
of, I would say the fact that I can play poker at a
level where I could hold myself,I could hold my own at a table
of the best players in the world, because I've done that before.
I've played at that level.
I don't think I could beat themon a consistent basis, but I
absolutely can, like on anygiven night, beat a table of the
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best players in the worldplaying poker.
That's awesome, I know, and thekey to that is it's not the
cards, it's more the image.
It's more the image and thestrategy and the discipline.
And so when I sit down at atable or I don't play much
anymore, but when I would sitdown at a table very quickly
before you lose too many of yourchips you determine who you're
better than and who's betterthan you, and then you need the
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discipline.
If that person's better than you, you have to have the
self-awareness to know who'sbetter than you, and then you
have to really be willing toavoid them unless you get the
absolute perfect situation.
And then you focus in on theplayers you are better than and
you accumulate their money whileavoiding the other people, and
then sooner or later, if you doit properly, sooner or later you
(23:38):
can get a situation where youcan trap the great player, catch
them off guard, because youneed more discipline than them
and more patience.
It goes back to that patience.
You need more patience.
You can catch those players andit's something that I can do,
but I don't really enjoy it.
I don't.
It's a lot of work, man, so Idon't really enjoy poker.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So for that would have to be the interesting fact
that not many people know.
No, I like that.
I like that, that's a good one.
I didn't even know.
I mean, that's a good one, Ididn't know it yeah, you want to
play poker.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Next time we see each other, I'll be fine no, no.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
What is your favorite way to connect with new people
in the space?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Yeah, for sure it's one of one.
Excuse me in real life, but mypreference of in real life
events would be one on ones likea coffee or a beer, or two
people, or three people, or ameal with a small group of
people.
Events like New York and LAthose are fun and they're great,
but the parties are just like.
(24:35):
You can only do so much.
You're in a party, you seesomebody, you say hi, you
introduce yourself, but youcan't have more than a couple of
minute convo before somebodyelse comes in and the subject
changes or you move on.
So, it's for sure, the smallgroups.
But, with that being said, youdon't have to wait for the big
events.
So maybe people listening tothis are like, well, yeah, but I
live somewhere where I can'tget to New York.
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I live across the world, or wedon't have these events.
So I think what I would say isthere's people everywhere in
Web3 and you can always find aperson or two people in your
neighborhood or your city oreverybody that travels, and
traveling can even just be likedriving to the town three hours
down the road.
Right, get on Twitter, figureout who lives there and reach
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out to them, like I've hadpeople you probably have too.
I've had people reach out andsay, hey, man, I'm going to be
in Portland, you want to have abeer, you want to have a coffee.
And I'm like hell yeah.
And those 99 out of 100 times Ileave those meetings and I'm
like I'm really glad I did that.
That was really cool.
So I think for sure that's theway to meet people and that's
(25:38):
like I think I may havementioned.
But I'm heading to Italytomorrow for a week and one of
the side trips we're going totake is we're going to take a
two-night trip and we're goingto meet three Web3 artists.
I can't freaking wait.
I've never met any of thembecause they all live in Italy.
They don't ever make it overhere, right?
So I'm going to meet Gianluca,enrico and Mickey and I just
can't wait.
That's the way it should work,nice.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I like that.
That's going to be fun.
Yeah for sure, great answer.
Are there any projects thatyou're working on that you'd
like to talk about?
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I would, but man, I've been asking so many people
for money.
I don't want to ask yeah.
(26:32):
No, in all seriousness.
In case people don't know, Ifounded a project called Miyamo
Art and our mission is to createa diverse and inclusive
community to support artists,and we're a registered 501c3
nonprofit and right now we'rejust building brand.
We're trying to raise somemoney.
It does turn out.
It costs money to do thesethings and we just want to be
that organization that supportsartists and through in real life
events, spaces, podcasts, youname it we're trying to keep all
our options open.
It's going to be a slower buildthan maybe we had hoped, partly
because the market is slow, butthat's okay.
It's okay.
We have a super passionate teamof about 10 people and a lot of
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other people that want to jointhe team, but we need roles.
It's been super great.
So if people want to check usout on Twitter, we're at Miyamo
Art.
It's pretty cool.
It's a lot of fun, Nice.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
No, it's a great project.
You got a lot of things going,a lot of things coming together.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I look forward to how it grows, yeah, and you've been
an unbelievable supporter guy.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, of course You're welcome.
Well, Matt, thanks for comingon the show.
Really enjoyed it.
I always enjoy my conversationswith you.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Do I get to ask questions?
Because you always ask artistsif they have any questions?
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Sure, sure, let's do it, let's do it.
You want a question?
Let's do it, let's do it.
I got a few, but you can speed.
You got a speed answer.
What's it called speed roundthem?
Speaker 3 (27:39):
speed round.
Yeah, taco pizza or pineapplepizza, a taco like taco style
pizza.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You never heard of taco pizza.
Okay, we failed on that.
I mean, this sounds likedelicious.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I'd rather go with that than pineapple pizza it
would have lettuce on it though,so but okay, very cool dk or
seer light I might go with dk onthat one ack or x copy probably
x copy on that one.
Ack or Xcopy Probably Xcopy onthat one.
Okay, who is Lascaux?
(28:04):
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't either.
I wish I did, though, right,all right.
Last question Next time I see apiece on auction and I can't
find the buy now button, whattime should I start it?
That's going to make you themost mad, because you won't be
around in exactly 24 hours tocome in and snag it.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Like usually around one o'clock, like 1245, 1250,
one o'clock.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yeah, that doesn't work.
I'm not up at that time.
This is my problem.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
No, no, no In the afternoon.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I did that to you once.
I did that to you once.
I remember once I started anauction, you were like me I'm
out and I was like oh crap, naptime, sorry, yep.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Not your nap time, of course.
Right, right, right yeah.
Or actually early morning, ooh,because I'm sure you're up
before me, so early mornings Icould do that.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
I'm not waking up.
There you go, I could do thatCause then you'll put your last
bit in late at night, at least.
Then I'll have time to thinkabout it.
I still probably won't be ableto compete, but I'd be able to
think about it.
That's it.
That's all I got.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Awesome.
Well, Matt, thank you so muchfor your time.
I really enjoyed the show.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Thanks, guy and I really.
Seriously, we need to do one.
Live at Santa Rosa, that's thedeal.
That'd be fun.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Cool.
Well, you have a good day.
We'll talk soon, okay, Thanks,man.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Have a good one.
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Speaker 1 (29:25):
this.
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Norcal, guy, norcal guy.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Who is this guy?
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Norcal guy.
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What the sh what the sh NorCaland Shill Podcast.
So it's Shill time, norcal.
And.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Shill Podcast.
What the sh-?
What the sh-.
Hey everyone, welcome to thisnext episode of NorCal and Shill
.
Today we have Miyamo Matt.
Matt is an entrepreneur,investor, amateur photographer,
always looking for the nextopportunity, the founder of
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Miyamo Art Foundation.
Everybody, please, welcomeMiyamo Matt.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Hey, matt, welcome to the podcast.
How are you doing today?
I'm doing great thanks.
How are you?
I'm good.
I'm good, day's going well, theweather is nice and I'm in an
office, it's great.
Yeah, I know, and I'm in anoffice, it's great.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah, I know I'm sitting inside too.
Spring finally has come toOregon.
We should be doing this outside, it would be great, that would
be great.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I wish I could do more of these in person.
It'd be great.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Really seriously.
We could have driven halfway toAshland, oregon, or somewhere
in that area.
We could have hung out at awinery.
Next time we'll do thattogether, like we should make
that commitment to everybodylistening.
That Sunday you and I will doone live halfway between where
we go.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
We could do that.
Or I mean, maybe we should planlike something like in Santa
Rosa.
Is there a flight from Portlandto Santa Rosa?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
There is a nonstop.
I totally in.
Next time you send me aninvitation, you invite me to
Santa Rosa.
I am there, I'll pick up thewine.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Well, we'll get Chicago.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
We'll be like Chicago we're coming to your spot.
I would love that we need to dothat for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
So what were your first thoughts when you heard
about NFTs, crypto art?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah, so my answer is similar but a little different
than others.
For me, it goes back to when Ifirst heard about crypto.
I had a very negative reactionto crypto and I was resistant to
that and I thought, oh, that'sdumb, why do we need something
other than US dollars?
But then, once I understoodblockchain technology and I
bought into that and I became abeliever of crypto, moving to
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NFTs was actually pretty easyfor me.
It made a lot of sense to havedigital ownership of, or digital
art on, the blockchain, and thefirst convo I can specifically
remember about crypto was insummer of 2021 with my cousin,
chris Haitha, who did theRoHomes and the High Rises
project.
We were at his brother'swedding and a bunch of people
were talking about crypto in apositive manner, which is not
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always the way it goes whenyou're sitting in a group of
people, and Chris started.
He hadn't released Real Homesyet, but he started talking
about it and so obviously I waspretty open to it, because
here's my cousin in a positiveconvo and it just it made a lot
of sense.
So I actually was a believer inNFTs fairly quickly.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Nice, that's good, better than me, but it's awesome
.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah Well, I feel like you discovered crypto way
before me, so really no, it'snot better.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
If you could live or move anywhere, where would it be
and why?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I freaking love this question.
Every time you ask it, I stopwhat I'm doing and just think
what my answer would be, andI've always actually dreamed of
being asked this question.
So, and then I thought about it, I still wavered 12 different
places, right, but I came downto my first thing would be I
would live in the same town orarea as our three children and
their families, becauseultimately, to me that's the
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most important is to haveexperiences with your family.
Now, that being said, if Icould convince the three kids
and their families, theirspouses and kids to move
wherever I wanted to, I wouldlive on one of the big lakes in
Northern Italy, so Lake Como orLake Maggiore.
I would want a villa on the lake, I would want a dock, I would
want one of those old woodenantique boats, but I wouldn't
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want to take care of it.
So I guess I would need a localkid to take care of the boat
too.
And then I'd want to just beable to like, call people up and
go hey, come on over, let's goout on the boat and let's cruise
over to an Italian restaurantwith some pasta and some food,
and I think that'd be the placeI'd want to live.
That'd be nice Sounds veryrelaxing It'd be cool.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
What's the best piece of?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
advice you've been given.
Yeah, it's always so hard, youknow, by my personality,
whenever people say what's thebest, I always have to have two,
but at least I can cut it offat two.
I don't need three or four.
But a couple of the words ofadvice that I have been
following lately one is takecare of yourself before you take
care of others, and that'sreally important.
And sometimes when you do thatand you follow it, you actually
get it's kind of frowned upon.
(04:46):
It's like, for instance, mighthave a really busy day or a few
busy days, and I might be like,well, I got to take care of
myself first, so today I'm goingto sleep in an hour longer.
Or today I'm going to sneak outand go for a walk or play
around a golf or whatever.
And people are like, well,you're being irresponsible, you
golf or whatever.
And people are like, well,you're being irresponsible,
you're being lazy.
And I'm always like, no, I'mtaking care of myself first so
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that I can be effective andefficient and I can then take
care of others.
And I think, especially in thisspace, a lot of people forget
that.
The other advice I like butmaybe I just use it to
rationalize my own behavior is.
Good leaders follow the rules.
Great leaders follow themselves.
So every time I break a rule,if I get called out on it, I
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just think well, that must meanI'm a great leader, because I'm
following myself rather than therule.
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
All right, all right, I like it, I like it.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Feel free to steal it anytime you want.
I know I stole it from someone.
You use that with my kids orsomething.
Yeah, no, because then you'reteaching your kids it's okay to
break the rules.
Oh, true.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Don't do that, all right?
Did you collect art or anythingelse before crypto art?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, I didn't really collect art because my wife and
I have always lived inrelatively small houses with
limited walls.
I always admired art, I alwaysenjoyed looking at it, but if we
wanted to pick up a piece ofart and put it on a wall, it
created a negotiation, and oneof my secrets to a long, happy
marriage is limit negotiationsas much as possible.
So I didn't ever collect a lotof art.
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But, with that being said, Idefinitely have a personality to
collect things, without a doubt.
From as soon as I can remember,I was collecting baseball cards
, football cards.
I was always a Wheeler dealertoo.
I'll never forget when I wasabout six years old and it
must've been in the fall and thefootball cards just came out
and I got my dad to take me tothe drugstore and I talked him
(06:38):
into buying a box of footballcards.
And I came back to my buddiesdown the street and they had
baseball cards that were 10 and15 years old even then and I
somehow I remember turning thatbox of brand new football cards
that this guy had to havebecause he was fumbling and I
turned it into literally like5,000 old baseball cards that he
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had no use for anymore.
Oh shoot, oh yeah.
So I've always been a collector.
I've collected watches a littlebit, cars a little bit, but
yeah.
So when I started collectingNFTs, it was just a natural
extension of my personality, forsure.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah.
What are the best things aboutWeb3 today?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
no-transcript.
It's just the people.
I love walking into these Web3events and I just love walking
up to strangers and I just saylike hi, I'm Matt, who are you?
And then I just sit back and Ijust love hearing the story and
it's always a great story andit's almost always a different
story.
That's the thing about Web3.
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And I think you would probablyagree it's addictive.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, it's good, the people are definitely keep you
around.
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.
Where do you see digital art inNFTs in five years and do you
have any concerns as it?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
expands.
I see far more mainstreamadoption.
I don't know if that's just mywish, because I'm heavily
invested, but I don't think itis.
I really do.
I think in some ways we wentthrough this with music.
I think you're old enough.
I know I'm old enough thatfirst you had records and then
you had tapes and then you hadCDs.
And then some people said, hey,take this, you can listen to
(08:45):
music on your computers.
And you're like, no, I got tohave my physical thing, I got to
have my CD, I got to have myrecord and, by the way, the
music sounds really crappy on mycomputer and people would be,
yeah, but just wait, becausepretty soon we'll have great
speakers and there will be agreat way to listen to them.
And then it happened with books.
Right, like it happened withbooks.
And now so many people taketheir books digitally and they
(09:06):
don't have libraries, like backin the day you'd walk in
someone's house and a whole wallwould be books.
Now they have a Kindle orAudible.
It's even happening withphysical cash and nobody really
talks about that.
And I'm not talking aboutbecause of blockchain, I'm
talking about just the averageperson today doesn't carry cash.
I don't carry cash Betweendoesn't carry cash.
I don't carry cash Betweencredit cards and Apple Pay and
(09:27):
Venmo and Zelle and who carriescash anymore?
So if people don't have tocarry their CDs anymore and a
book and a magazine in cash,then why do they have to have
their art be physical?
Now there's another issue, likeI mean sure, we love physicals.
I have physicals up on my walls, but those, to me, are
representation of the NFT that Ihave and that's safe, and so I
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just think digital property isreal property and in so many
other areas that has been fullyaccepted and I just think within
five years it will be acceptedin art.
And part of the issue is it'slike I alluded to when we first
started listening to music onour computers.
Part of the issue is it's hardto view an NFT in a really
effective manner right now,right, unless you want to spend
like a lot of money on a tokenframe and not that would be able
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to do that.
But just wait, like, just wait.
It's coming, like technology isalways advancing.
So very soon we will have great, great ways to see our NFTs,
and then I actually think theNFTs that we bought in 2020 and
2021, 2022 will be historicaland they'll just look phenomenal
.
And that's where it's at.
I'm not really concerned aboutthe space expanding.
It's like anything when thingsexpand, you lose some of the
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maybe human connectiveness.
You lose some things but yougain other things, and this is
called change.
Right, things just change andso I'm not one to be concerned
about change.
I'm more like let's embrace itand let's find the positives in
it.
And let's embrace it, let'swork on that Like let's embrace
it and let's find the positivesin it and let's embrace it.
Let's work on that?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, I like that.
I like that a lot.
What makes you decide to buy apiece?
Do you watch the artists for awhile, get to know them, or is
it like I need that one combo ofall of the above?
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Well, I will occasionally say I absolutely
have to have that one, butthat's typically if, like, I
feel like you're looking at itand so I have to act quick and I
have to find the buy now button.
But if I'm not worried thatyou're about to swipe it from me
, then I probably have the sameanswer as just about everybody
else.
So I mean, first I have toconnect with the piece and then
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I have to decide if you're goingto connect with it or not.
And then, assuming I do connectwith it, I do need to believe
in the artist.
I have to either and some ofthat about believing in the
artist, like I have to believethat they're committed to the
space, that they're not just acash grab Not that I'm opposed
to artists making money I meanI'm super flexible, like you
should but that they'recommitted to the space, they're
doing it for the right reasonand that they're a good person.
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I mean it does affect me.
If I don't view them as like aparticularly good person, then I
don't really have an interestin collecting.
I don't have an interest incollecting their art, no matter
how much I connect with it, if Idon't, those, to me, are
important and it needs to befairly priced.
There's definitely been pieces Ilove from artists I love, and I
just don't think they're pricedto where the mark is, and
that's the collector mentalityto me, and I can't get over it.
(12:02):
I feel like you might do thatsometimes too.
I just can't get over it and itkind of sucks because then the
artists think well, like well,wow, matt, that's kind of
judgmental or that's kind ofgatekeeping, and I'm like sorry,
it's just like I can't get overit.
I can't get over it, likethat's part of collecting, right
, like it's.
It just is what it is.
So they have to be fairlypriced, and I don't know exactly
what that is and everybody hastheir different opinion.
(12:24):
But what I would say is if, inmy opinion, it's not fairly
priced, then I should not feelobligated to collect it.
I guess that's how I live.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I'm with you on that one.
I mean, I definitely, and Ialso have like a budget.
I'm like I'm not willing tospend over this much for a piece
.
So once an artist sometimesgoes above that, I'm out A
hundred percent.
Yep.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I'm the same way, for sure.
Do you have a favorite?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
movie quote.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I do.
So another question that I love.
So when I started thinkingabout this, I first just went to
my favorite movies, because,like, there's always a quote I
use all the time in a movie.
Like that's not necessarily myfavorite movie, like our family
and my friends often use a dumband dumber quote, like when Jim
Carrey says like to the girl sois there a one in a thousand
chance, or one in a million?
And the gal's like, well, atbest one in a million.
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He's like so you're sayingthere's a chance.
Like that's a quote I use a lot, but that's certainly not a
favorite quote.
So I went I started thinkingabout like.
So the movies that I love arelike.
I think that the Godfathermovies are insanely good.
They're so damn long butthey're super good.
Casablanca is just timeless.
It's a Wonderful Life.
It's a Wonderful Life is areally great movie for when
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you're an entrepreneur and yourbusiness is kind of sucking it
and you're struggling If you'rean entrepreneur, that's always
going to happen at some point inyour life and then when you're
down, you watch it's a WonderfulLife and you get modified.
It's kind of like Rocky and yougo kick ass.
But I ended up selling onShawshank Redemption, which is
like a movie I just absolutelylove.
I don't know if you've seen it.
Yeah, it is a great one.
Oh, it's so great.
And Andy Dufresne, the leadcharacter, he was pretty much
(13:58):
just a perfect choir boy angelbefore he went to jail.
He unjustly gets accused andconvicted of murdering his wife.
He did not do it.
And then while he's in jailwhich is the whole part of the
movie, the primary part of themovie he actually turns like he
breaks a lot of rules.
He breaks a lot of laws.
He really starts but it's allfor the end, like how is he
going to escape?
There's two quotes from him thatto me are really important and
(14:21):
I think they also apply to ourspace.
The main quote is when AndyDufresne says and he says it at
some point in the movie whenhe's probably been in jail for
years and years.
He's gone from a young man toan old man.
But he's people like how do youcarry on?
Like, well, he has his internalplan right To get out.
So he says hope is a good thing,maybe the best of things, and
no good thing ever dies.
I think that applies right nowto where some people are in our
(14:42):
space.
Hope is a good thing.
The space is pretty dead.
It is what it is.
We're not selling, but hope isa good thing and hope will carry
us through.
And I just think, as long as wemaintain hope in the community
Web3, it's not dying, it's notgoing away.
And then the other quick quotehe had, which I think he did
right at the end of the movie,or maybe Morgan Freeman had this
quote, but it was like I guessit comes down to a simple choice
(15:04):
Get busy living or get busydying.
Oh yeah, yeah, you know that'sjust life in general, right,
like, let's just get busy living.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Solid, solid, solid choices Cool.
What would you like to see moreof in the NFT space?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, I have a really short answer on this one
because I don't want to bepreachy or judgmental and it's
not very original, but it iswhat it is.
I would like to see morepatients.
I really think that is one ofthe biggest problems or
challenges with Web3 is lack ofpatience, and it's across the
board.
It's like I'm going to takenext week off and go on vacation
(15:41):
and guaranteed I'm going to getpeople DMing me.
Matt, are you okay?
I haven't heard from you.
I haven't seen you on Twitter,are you okay?
And I know they mean well, butthat's a lack of patience
Because, like in real life, youmight not see your buddy for six
months, right, and you don'tworry that.
You see him at the bar in sixmonths and you're like, hey, how
are you doing?
And, of course, it has to dowith collecting pieces.
(16:01):
People collect pieces andthey're like I'm a long-term
holder and then 30 days laterthey have it listed.
It's just not healthy, right?
It's just not healthy, thislack of patience.
And then the other thing Iwould like to see more of is a
willingness to try somethingdifferent.
There to see more of is awillingness to try something
different.
There's just a lot of followersin this space and I think maybe
(16:21):
it comes from just a normalhuman instinct of the fear of
making mistakes.
I think maybe people are afraidto make mistakes and so if they
see somebody do something witha little bit of success, they're
like okay, that's a safe choice, so I'm going to do that, it
will work, whereas if I trysomething different it might be
a mistake.
But ironically it kind ofbecomes this I don't know if
it's a self-fulfilling prophecyor what it is, but it becomes
this thing where people copyuntil ultimately a bunch of
people do it, does fail, likewhatever the new hot thing is a
(16:43):
burn mechanism.
The first four people that didit kicked butt the fifth person
everyone's like this is too much, I can't do it.
I missed the try thingsdifferent and I get.
When you try things different,you may not have a huge chance
(17:05):
of success, but so many peopleare just like, oh no, you can't
do that.
They're like well, why not?
They're like, well, it's neverbeen done.
I'm like, okay, I don't acceptthat answer Like let's try
something different.
I guess that's what I wouldlike to see more of, is trying
new things and having morepatients.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, I like those answers.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I definitely agree with that.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Right.
What is the best thing and thesilliest thing you've spent
money on?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
So I didn't really know if this is a Web3 question
or in real life question.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
So I'm going to answer it both ways, okay, yeah,
yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
You can either leave them both in or you can edit it
out.
I don't care.
So Web3, without a doubt, thebest thing I've spent money on
is one-to-one art and fromcertain artists that are just
typically the ones that are bestare the artists that just
didn't expect it, Like they justthey know who I am and they're
like oh my God, thank you somuch for collecting.
So often it's an emergingartist.
Sometimes it's an artist that'sreally just down on their luck
(18:02):
and they feel like they're notgetting any support and then all
of a sudden you can motivatethem and you can get them going.
I love buying the grails andthat's super cool, and you know
that isn't, to me, the best.
The best is, like I said, thepeople where you connect with
and you kind of catch them offguard and you get this genuine
human gratitude.
It makes a difference in theircareer and occasionally you can
(18:24):
make a difference, and so thatwould be the best.
The silliest thing I spentmoney on in Web3 is well,
apparently, according toeverybody else is moonbirds, so
it seems pretty silly.
At this point I don't know whatelse I can say about it.
The worst part is I'm abeliever in DCAing, so when
Bitcoin and ETH were coming downfrom the top, I was DCAing, and
(18:45):
somehow, someway I don't knowhow it happens I've been DCAing
Moonbirds too, and I don't knowwhy.
I just every now and thendecide well, if I buy one now,
it brings my costs down.
That's true.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I don't really buy any other PFPs, but I buy
moonbirds and I yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
You're trying to corner the market.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
No, I'm just trying to bring my costs down so
forever.
If, for some reason, somebodyFOMOs in, I can get back out, so
but in real life I would saythe best thing I ever spent
money on was when I did.
I've done it three times overthe course of my life is a
second home or a cabin?
Because what those really areare memory factories.
They create unbelievablememories with your family and
(19:27):
your friends and your kids'friends, and I started doing it
maybe 30 years ago when we livedin Minnesota with a lake home.
We moved to Oregon, I bought aplace up in the mountains, and
not a day goes by where I don'tlook back and think of like you
remember that time eithersomething hilarious happened or
something disastrous happened,or the time our youngest son had
(19:48):
broken his wrist at theplayground and we didn't believe
it and we took him to the lake,we made him tube and he was
holding onto the rope tubing andhe was probably nine years old
and he was whining and that hiswrist hurt and Matt was like oh,
don't be a baby.
Or on the lake.
And then Monday came and wesent him off to camp and we get
(20:09):
a call like right away from thecounselor and is like you know,
I think your son has a brokenwrist.
Have you thought about takinghim to the hospital?
Like those are the memoriesthat you make.
That was not necessarily agreat one, but so that was the
best thing I've ever spent mymoney on in real life our cabins
or lake homes.
I love that one.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah.
And then the silliest thing waswhen I was I don't know.
I was young late 20s, early 30sI had some cash and I bought a
gray market Porsche that hadbeen brought over from Germany.
It was a 930.
They were barely street legal,I think.
If I recall right, a year ortwo earlier they were not street
legal in the US, and then theybecame street legal, and so I
(20:49):
bought one, and the big giantwhale tail looked super awesome.
I thought this was just likethis is it, man, this is it.
And then I realized I was likeI couldn't drive it anywhere.
I own pizza delivery companies.
I couldn't drive it to workbecause we were always telling
our drivers not to speed.
Like you can't speed, we'llfire you if you speed.
So I can't drive, I can't letanybody that works in my car.
I can't, I couldn't drive itanywhere, so it was like the
(21:10):
definition of silly, I guess.
So I sat in my garage for ayear or two and I sold it.
I would say, though, if I'dkept it, it probably wouldn't
have been silly today.
I feel like that car isprobably worth a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
There you go.
If you could commission a pieceand have two artists
collaborate on it, which twoartists would it be?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
All right, I got this one and it was not for lack of
work.
I know everybody says this isan impossible question and it is
not easy and everybody goesdown the same roads that I did
too, like Kath and who?
Or I've been geeking out onDK's work lately.
So I'm like, well, what if youwent with DK and Grant and you
had DK's animations runningaround at Grant?
But that's what everybody does.
(21:55):
But then I came up with it.
I really believe in this one.
It's a complete bomb, but Ifeel like you would buy this,
you would collect this piece, ifwe could pull this one off, and
I've not heard anybody makethis suggestion.
Ack and Summer Wagner.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Oh yeah, I could see that combo.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Because Summer's pretty mythical, and so then you
put some of ACK's colors orsome of his skulls or whatever,
and some of his work, I feellike those two could crush it.
But that's the one I'm actuallykind of excited about, or
really excited.
I think that would be a reallycool collab, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I can see that one for sure.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Interesting.
What is one interesting factabout you that people might not
be aware?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
of, I would say the fact that I can play poker at a
level where I could hold myself,I could hold my own at a table
of the best players in the world, because I've done that before.
I've played at that level.
I don't think I could beat themon a consistent basis, but I
absolutely can, like on anygiven night, beat a table of the
(22:56):
best players in the worldplaying poker.
That's awesome, I know, and thekey to that is it's not the
cards, it's more the image.
It's more the image and thestrategy and the discipline.
And so when I sit down at atable or I don't play much
anymore, but when I would sitdown at a table very quickly
before you lose too many of yourchips you determine who you're
better than and who's betterthan you, and then you need the
(23:16):
discipline.
If that person's better than you, you have to have the
self-awareness to know who'sbetter than you, and then you
have to really be willing toavoid them unless you get the
absolute perfect situation.
And then you focus in on theplayers you are better than and
you accumulate their money whileavoiding the other people, and
then sooner or later, if you doit properly, sooner or later you
(23:38):
can get a situation where youcan trap the great player, catch
them off guard, because youneed more discipline than them
and more patience.
It goes back to that patience.
You need more patience.
You can catch those players andit's something that I can do,
but I don't really enjoy it.
I don't.
It's a lot of work, man, so Idon't really enjoy poker.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So for that would have to be the interesting fact
that not many people know.
No, I like that.
I like that, that's a good one.
I didn't even know.
I mean, that's a good one, Ididn't know it yeah, you want to
play poker.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Next time we see each other, I'll be fine no, no.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
What is your favorite way to connect with new people
in the space?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Yeah, for sure it's one of one.
Excuse me in real life, but mypreference of in real life
events would be one on ones likea coffee or a beer, or two
people, or three people, or ameal with a small group of
people.
Events like New York and LAthose are fun and they're great,
but the parties are just like.
(24:35):
You can only do so much.
You're in a party, you seesomebody, you say hi, you
introduce yourself, but youcan't have more than a couple of
minute convo before somebodyelse comes in and the subject
changes or you move on.
So, it's for sure, the smallgroups.
But, with that being said, youdon't have to wait for the big
events.
So maybe people listening tothis are like, well, yeah, but I
live somewhere where I can'tget to New York.
(24:56):
I live across the world, or wedon't have these events.
So I think what I would say isthere's people everywhere in
Web3 and you can always find aperson or two people in your
neighborhood or your city oreverybody that travels, and
traveling can even just be likedriving to the town three hours
down the road.
Right, get on Twitter, figureout who lives there and reach
(25:18):
out to them, like I've hadpeople you probably have too.
I've had people reach out andsay, hey, man, I'm going to be
in Portland, you want to have abeer, you want to have a coffee.
And I'm like hell yeah.
And those 99 out of 100 times Ileave those meetings and I'm
like I'm really glad I did that.
That was really cool.
So I think for sure that's theway to meet people and that's
(25:38):
like I think I may havementioned.
But I'm heading to Italytomorrow for a week and one of
the side trips we're going totake is we're going to take a
two-night trip and we're goingto meet three Web3 artists.
I can't freaking wait.
I've never met any of thembecause they all live in Italy.
They don't ever make it overhere, right?
So I'm going to meet Gianluca,enrico and Mickey and I just
can't wait.
That's the way it should work,nice.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I like that.
That's going to be fun.
Yeah for sure, great answer.
Are there any projects thatyou're working on that you'd
like to talk about?
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I would, but man, I've been asking so many people
for money.
I don't want to ask yeah.
(26:32):
No, in all seriousness.
In case people don't know, Ifounded a project called Miyamo
Art and our mission is to createa diverse and inclusive
community to support artists,and we're a registered 501c3
nonprofit and right now we'rejust building brand.
We're trying to raise somemoney.
It does turn out.
It costs money to do thesethings and we just want to be
that organization that supportsartists and through in real life
events, spaces, podcasts, youname it we're trying to keep all
our options open.
It's going to be a slower buildthan maybe we had hoped, partly
because the market is slow, butthat's okay.
It's okay.
We have a super passionate teamof about 10 people and a lot of
(26:53):
other people that want to jointhe team, but we need roles.
It's been super great.
So if people want to check usout on Twitter, we're at Miyamo
Art.
It's pretty cool.
It's a lot of fun, Nice.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
No, it's a great project.
You got a lot of things going,a lot of things coming together.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I look forward to how it grows, yeah, and you've been
an unbelievable supporter guy.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, of course You're welcome.
Well, Matt, thanks for comingon the show.
Really enjoyed it.
I always enjoy my conversationswith you.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Do I get to ask questions?
Because you always ask artistsif they have any questions?
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Sure, sure, let's do it, let's do it.
You want a question?
Let's do it, let's do it.
I got a few, but you can speed.
You got a speed answer.
What's it called speed roundthem?
Speaker 3 (27:39):
speed round.
Yeah, taco pizza or pineapplepizza, a taco like taco style
pizza.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You never heard of taco pizza.
Okay, we failed on that.
I mean, this sounds likedelicious.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I'd rather go with that than pineapple pizza it
would have lettuce on it though,so but okay, very cool dk or
seer light I might go with dk onthat one ack or x copy probably
x copy on that one.
Ack or Xcopy Probably Xcopy onthat one.
Okay, who is Lascaux?
(28:04):
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't either.
I wish I did, though, right,all right.
Last question Next time I see apiece on auction and I can't
find the buy now button, whattime should I start it?
That's going to make you themost mad, because you won't be
around in exactly 24 hours tocome in and snag it.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Like usually around one o'clock, like 1245, 1250,
one o'clock.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Yeah, that doesn't work.
I'm not up at that time.
This is my problem.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
No, no, no In the afternoon.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I did that to you once.
I did that to you once.
I remember once I started anauction, you were like me I'm
out and I was like oh crap, naptime, sorry, yep.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Not your nap time, of course.
Right, right, right yeah.
Or actually early morning, ooh,because I'm sure you're up
before me, so early mornings Icould do that.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
I'm not waking up.
There you go, I could do thatCause then you'll put your last
bit in late at night, at least.
Then I'll have time to thinkabout it.
I still probably won't be ableto compete, but I'd be able to
think about it.
That's it.
That's all I got.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Awesome.
Well, Matt, thank you so muchfor your time.
I really enjoyed the show.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Thanks, guy and I really.
Seriously, we need to do one.
Live at Santa Rosa, that's thedeal.
That'd be fun.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Cool.
Well, you have a good day.
We'll talk soon, okay, Thanks,man.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Have a good one.
Who is?
Speaker 1 (29:25):
this.
Who is this guy?
Who is this guy?
Who is this guy?
Who is this guy?
Who is this guy?
Norcal, guy, norcal guy.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Who is this guy?
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