Outcoached, Outmanned, and Out of Answers: Florida State’s loss Explained

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SPEAKER_00 (00:43):
Yeah.
A lot to hit thirty-four tothirty-one.

SPEAKER_01 (00:51):
Another garbage touchdown to make it look
closer.

SPEAKER_00 (00:54):
Yeah.
Yeah, because completely up 2114 and a half.
Just completely outmatched inthe second half.
What's going on in halftime?
Oh.
No adjustment.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08):
Same thing that's going on in practice every week.
Nothing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13):
Fourth eight goes to 0 and 3.
8 and 1 an HTTP game and over ayear.
And the game they did when theyshould.

(01:38):
I managed to avoid losing one inthe game of contract that goes.
Based on that.

(03:02):
You've been getting beat bybetter better teams, better
players, and better coaches.
That's what you've been doing.
Because Pat Narduzi, or whateverthe fuck, just came in and
outcoached you.

SPEAKER_02 (03:18):
Oh, I mean he didn't get out of here.

SPEAKER_00 (03:19):
You got outcoached by Shannon Dawson.
You were laughing in it up wherehe's just making comments to the
press about you.
You got outcoached by TonyElliott in Virginia.

SPEAKER_01 (03:30):
Right, everybody.
Everybody.
Yeah, like it you managed tospring a surprise.

SPEAKER_00 (03:36):
But you won a game against Calen DeBoer who's
outcoaching everybody.
But like, yeah, but like gamefilm.
There's this perception thing oflike, oh, Calen De Boer, and
he's not that good.
But no, look at the records.
He's doing pretty good.
Yeah, he's doing great.
If he had to play Florida Statein week two or three, he would
have kicked the shit out of him.

(03:56):
No, but it looks like when it'sterms of like coaching and
making adjustments, you have tomake adjustments.

SPEAKER_01 (04:06):
Oh, these these coaches don't do that.
And Tony White has not made anadjustment since he got to
Florida State.

SPEAKER_00 (04:14):
Well, maybe the adjustments are more, you can
say they don't have the players.

SPEAKER_01 (04:19):
No, I don't give a shit, man.
Yeah.
This is three weeks in a rowwhere nobody's been able to
cover the running back.
Three weeks in a row where thequarterback can just run for 20
yards at a chunk.

SPEAKER_00 (04:31):
The running back at receiving numbers were Hall of
Fame numbers.

SPEAKER_01 (04:36):
Right.
Because they saw what happenedin Virginia and against Miami.

SPEAKER_00 (04:42):
So it's like, oh, we gotta make a we we might want to
watch out for the wheel route,you know?

SPEAKER_01 (04:48):
Right.
That's probably the mostversatile player that they've
played against at this point,Desmond Reed.
And he like he saw whathappened.

SPEAKER_00 (04:57):
Dude, dude, I'm just gonna burn the shit out of your
back seven because he had 12carries for 45 yards, but that
was not where he he beat theKnowles.
He beat him in the in the in theair attack.
He had eight catches, 155 yards,and two touchdowns for Desmond
Reed.
And then the freshman had 16carries for 64 yards, and that's

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the Heichnell.
Heichel, whatever the hell.

SPEAKER_01 (05:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (05:28):
21 to 29, 321 yards, two touchdowns, two picks.
Had two picks in the first inthe second quarter, but you know
what?
He went into the half and gotcoached.
Got coached up and didn't throwany picks in the second half.

SPEAKER_01 (05:43):
Yeah.
You know, you're up 21-14 athalftime.
Have the ball on the 43 to startthe second half and get shit out
of it.

SPEAKER_00 (05:54):
Well, you know, you just look at like what the other
team did and what their coachesdid with what the players they
have.
You know?
And look at this kid Heichnellor whatever, you know?
He's coming out, he's ballingout, he he comes out, he throws
two picks.
Hey, calm down, buddy.
We're gonna we're gonna here'swhat we're gonna do.

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And they did it.
And that and you don't see thatshit.
Where's Florida State with anyof that?
Now this game changed on thefumble because right here it
just no, it it it it looked likeFlorida State was taking

(06:37):
control, honestly.
The defense was actually makingstops.
Um, they had the field goal,then they had the ball um going
in at the end of the thirdquarter, but they run the ball
again, they keep running theball like you eventually you
might want to play action orthrow the defense off and they

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run it again, and they get afumble.
They get a fumble.
That was that man, the gamechanged after that fumble.
I mean, it was all downhillafter that.
Yeah, situation they go down andtie the game, and the defense
still holds them to a fieldgoal, but the offense was done
after that.

SPEAKER_01 (07:19):
Right, because it's very limited to begin with.
It was done after the biggerthing.
There's only so many things.

SPEAKER_00 (07:26):
That was it.
You lost the game right therebecause I would I would say, I
mean, you're on your way.
I mean, they had the ball, itwas 94-yard drive possibly.
It was they started at their ownfive, and they were driving, and
they were racking up three orfour yards of carry, and they
were just tying it, and it wasjust ugly, and it was going.

(07:48):
I was like, yes, this is exactlywhat we need.
And then he just fumbles.

SPEAKER_01 (07:55):
You know, it's it's it's always something like that.

SPEAKER_00 (07:58):
Right.
And then they came down and theykicked the field goal to tie it
up, and then that was it for theoffense.
They got stopped three and out.
They got they went down andkicked another field goal.
Offense wasn't able to doanything again, gave them the
ball back and they went down andscored a touchdown.
And that ball game.

SPEAKER_01 (08:20):
Yeah.
That's that's how you lose whenyou're not a good team.

SPEAKER_00 (08:25):
Right.
You can't afford to fumble inthose situations.
You don't have the players, youcan't.
You don't have the depth, and ateam like Pitt whoop your ass.

SPEAKER_01 (08:37):
Right.
And you know, you turn the ballover every single week this year
in the season.

SPEAKER_00 (08:41):
Yeah, you turn the ball over every game.

SPEAKER_01 (08:44):
You got very lucky that Catalanos got back on top
of his fumble early in the firsthalf.

SPEAKER_00 (08:52):
Um then you got bullied because it looked like
you had you should have got theball, honestly, after you
fumbled it, Holmes.
Based on the replay that I saw,it looked like you should have
had that ball, and he must havebullied it from you because
you're soft.
And you fumbled.

SPEAKER_01 (09:08):
Yeah, I mean, it's just, you know, they're not
they're not a well-prepared teamweek in, week out.

SPEAKER_00 (09:14):
They just need months and months to prepare for
you.

SPEAKER_01 (09:18):
Yeah, months and months, and and the element of
surprise.
Right.
For the other teams and nothaving any idea like what your
players are capable or incapableof.

SPEAKER_00 (09:27):
Well, they know what like what's the there's no
adjustments?
No, it's just no adjustments,man.
Where's the halftimeadjustments?

SPEAKER_01 (09:36):
Well, that that's it.
The halftime we run is it wasbullish.
What we run is the only thingthat that they can do.
Like it there are no adjustmentsto be made.
Tony Tony White's defense iswhat it is.

SPEAKER_00 (09:48):
Like well, I think that's be and then that goes
back to because you have to dothis.
Because you don't have the youdon't have the roster.

SPEAKER_01 (09:56):
You don't have any players.
You don't have the roster.

SPEAKER_00 (09:58):
You don't have it because you've been recruited
whooped on the recruiting trail.
You can't just line up and leanon people.
You know, so you have to likescheme it, and then you can't
scheme it.

SPEAKER_01 (10:17):
That's it.
But then you hired you hired aguy that that doesn't do any
in-game adjustments, man.
Like, I don't I don't seeanything.

SPEAKER_00 (10:28):
Yeah.
So Yeah, that was startling.
The second half was completelyjust dominated by Pitt.
I mean, it looked it looked fora second there, but it's like
once they fumbled, it was it wasjust that was it.
There was no response.
So it was just the offensecompletely shut down.

(10:50):
Well, I mean, it's and they hadno receivers.
No, they have no depth atreceiver.
So you lost Deuce, Deuce wasout, and then you see that
you're relying on I mean, you'rerelying on Danzi.
Danzi is the only thing you gothaving good stats because he got
that last late one.

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That kid hasn't played receiveruntil this season.
No, because you don't have thedudes.

SPEAKER_01 (11:18):
So you you you know.

SPEAKER_00 (11:20):
So the transfer guy got hurt.
That was a legacy that didn'tdidn't come here.

SPEAKER_01 (11:28):
Yeah.
I mean it all just boils down tothe fact that this is what
Florida State is gonna be underMike Mobile.

SPEAKER_00 (11:40):
36 and 30 is his record.

SPEAKER_01 (11:43):
Five out of six seasons, two and three games in
a row.

SPEAKER_00 (11:46):
Five out of six seasons, he's lost.

SPEAKER_01 (11:48):
Even in twenty-two when he went nine and three and
everything was celebrated, likehe lost three games in a row.
Oh, I know.

SPEAKER_00 (11:55):
I remember those games.
Wake, NC State, and uh thatthat's exactly what I was like.
The optimist here was like, allright, well, you gotta just win
out.
And so, all right, you can beatStanford, Wake, but you got to
you're not winning out.
You got to try.
I mean, if you're Mike, you gotto.

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You gotta win out.
Well, sure.
You gotta show that you're astreaky coach and you can win
out.
And if you win out, you'd belike, hey, we're gonna win
undefeated next year.

SPEAKER_01 (12:26):
Right, right.
That's that's yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_00 (12:30):
I mean, that I find my if I'm Mike Norvell, that's
what you know.
If I'm if I'm any, I mean,honestly, FSU can't afford it.
It's done, but can't afford it.

SPEAKER_01 (12:41):
No, I mean he he doesn't have to win out.
That's the thing.
Like, y'all can't fire me untilafter.
I know, but why not win out?

SPEAKER_00 (12:48):
Why not win out?

SPEAKER_01 (12:49):
Well, why not?
Is because you don't have theplayers that you had in 2022.

SPEAKER_00 (12:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (12:55):
You don't have any pass rush.
You don't have linebackers thathave that are actually good
players, but just need to keep,you know, keep working, need
time in the system.
You got a bunch of expendablesfrom other programs.

SPEAKER_00 (13:08):
I mean, this is a game where Castellanos actually
played 16 to 23, 250, threetouchdowns, zero picks.

SPEAKER_01 (13:18):
Um that's about as good as you can can hope for
from that guy.

SPEAKER_00 (13:23):
21-29 for Heichnell uh for 321, two touchdowns and
two picks for him.
But just uh they had three guyswith over 40 yards rushing.

SPEAKER_01 (13:37):
Um the opportunity when you're up 21 to 14, getting
the ball in the second half.
You start the ball almost atmidfield.

SPEAKER_00 (13:44):
And you didn't do it.

SPEAKER_01 (13:45):
Not only do you fail to get points, but they drive
the ball right down the fuckingfield at tie the game.

SPEAKER_00 (13:51):
Three and out, and they went down.
Yep.
That's it.
Yeah, you had the ball.
You it was second half, you hadthe ball at the 43.
That's a good point.
After the penalty that they hadat the end of the half, the and
then you had you made a goodreturn and you couldn't do
anything.
And then not, and then you had agreat punt.

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Great punt.

SPEAKER_01 (14:12):
Oh, yeah, great punt.
Yeah, starting at their own 15and 10.

SPEAKER_00 (14:15):
Yeah, but they went 85 yards right down the field.

SPEAKER_01 (14:17):
Right, easy, easy.
You know, quarterback runs for10 yards.

SPEAKER_00 (14:22):
Yeah, they tied that game up easy.
And then all of a sudden you'rein a you're in a dog fight.
And then it's just like a bunchof field goals and turn the ball
up.
Turn the ball over.
Once that once you get him in aclose, like you turn the ball
over and just yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (14:45):
That's it.
That's that's that's just theway that it looks the exact same
that it did in his first seasonhere.
The exact fucking same.

SPEAKER_00 (14:56):
That was the only turnover they had.

SPEAKER_01 (14:59):
Yeah.
It was just like I said,Casalanos coughed it up and got
back to the show.

SPEAKER_00 (15:03):
He had more turnovers than they did.

SPEAKER_01 (15:06):
Yeah.
And that's what he took both ofthose turnovers and and turned
turned the momentum.
Got the lead to go into half.
You know, like that's you wereactually playing well at the end
of the first half and had thingsgoing your way and managed to
fuck it up in like five minutesof game time.

SPEAKER_00 (15:27):
Right.
Yep.
And that's been a recurringtheme.
They've been getting out theythe Virginia game.
They they gave up the touchdown,and then like the bit the middle
eight is that Clemson andVirginia now like to talk about.
And we've just been gettingkilled in that that time.

SPEAKER_01 (15:50):
You just don't you don't have good players, you
have a really, really shittycoaching staff.
Um whatever.
Like I know like the investingemotion in Florida State
football from this point on isonly just asking to feel like
this every Saturday.

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You know, I know it's famous.

SPEAKER_00 (16:12):
So the worst thing that the worst thing that could
have happened was loot winning.
Honestly, uh beating Alabama.
And honestly, the worst thingthat could have happened for the
program in long term was goingundefeated in the way that you
did and having a drastic injuryto Jordan Travis, where you
would give this coach a contractlike you did.

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Well, that's where you were justhampered by it.
Where now you're stuck.

SPEAKER_01 (16:40):
It comes down to you know, an AD that is more
seasoned and has been in a bigschool and has dealt with Jimmy
Sexton and Jimmy Sexton clients,not a guy that's coming from
central Michigan, probably has alittle more savvy and negotiate
tactic to not corner himselfinto a fully guaranteed fucking

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contract.
I think I don't give a shit whoreported to one of them as the
next head coach.

SPEAKER_00 (17:09):
Like, listen, no, no, no, no.
Jimbo one here, Jimbo one here,Bobby one here.
Right, you can win, you can winhere.
We're not you can't what youcan't do now in this kind of
landscape, you can't bend overbackwards.
You have to try to like budgetsmartly, and you and if
anything, you can't overpay fora coach ever.

SPEAKER_01 (17:30):
Well, you look at look at the schools that that
have have given those fullyguaranteed contracts out in
recent memory.
You start with Jimbo at TexasAM.

SPEAKER_00 (17:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (17:39):
And what what happened there?
Now you look at what's happeningat Penn State with James
Franklin.
And it when does it ever endwell for the school?
Well, why wouldn't it?
It's a dream.
It's a dream.
Yeah, it's always gonna work outfor the coach because he's gonna
get fucking paid.
But when, like, it just it's thedumbest thing you can do.

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He's gonna take the Alabama job.
Take the Alabama job.

SPEAKER_00 (18:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (18:03):
If he would have taken the Alabama job, would we
be worse off right now than weare?

SPEAKER_00 (18:08):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (18:10):
There you go.
That's what you have to askyourself as the athletic
director.
Right.
Like, do I have enoughconfidence in myself to go and
find another coach?
And that's part of it.
You know, we got really luckythat Link Jarrett is a really
good baseball coach and he is analum.
We got really lucky that LukeLaux is an up-and-comer rising
star in the NBA, and he reallywanted a coach here at Florida

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State.

SPEAKER_00 (18:33):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (18:33):
Like, those aren't those aren't goes out and sells
the program type hires fromMichael Alfred.
He's done absolutely nothing inthat regard except lock you into
a loser fucking coach for afootball program.

SPEAKER_00 (18:47):
Yeah, he he blew it.
I I didn't like it.
I mean, it was it was it wasreactionary at the time.
It was uh it was emotional atthe time.
It was like it was like, well,you know, we got screwed we got
screwed, but we're we're gonnajudge, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (19:09):
So committed to the guy that that thought it was a
good idea to play Jordan Travisfor a quarter and a half against
a team that you ended up blowingout with Tate Rodemaker anyway.

SPEAKER_00 (19:19):
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (19:20):
Like a real AD would have been like, let's see.
I mean, it's a tough break, butit's also your fault, Mike.

SPEAKER_00 (19:26):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (19:26):
Like he kept that kid out there and it's a good
one.
Should have never played thatgame.

SPEAKER_00 (19:30):
Should have never played the game.

SPEAKER_01 (19:31):
No, you take one snap, you hand it off, you go
sit on the bench.

SPEAKER_00 (19:33):
Yeah, you go sit on the bench, you get a standing
ovation, you like you hand itoff, and then you literally like
walk off, and you're like, nowat quarterback, take Rotamaker.
And they all cheer, andeverybody goes to fucking, yep.
It wasn't.

SPEAKER_01 (19:47):
What was the motivation behind it?
Oh, we need him to win?
No, no, you don't.
You blew him out withRottermaker anyway.

SPEAKER_00 (19:54):
Right.
It was it was yeah, that's agreat fucking point.
Like if he gets hurt againstFlorida or if he gets hurt
against Louisville, nobody sayshe got hurt against a a team
that was playing dirty andlooking to do shit.
He should have never been inthat game.

SPEAKER_01 (20:13):
And that right there needs to tell you something
about like he's old, like youyou are out of your fucking
element here.

SPEAKER_00 (20:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (20:23):
You do not belong to the time.

SPEAKER_00 (20:26):
Bobby wouldn't have played George.

SPEAKER_01 (20:28):
No, hell no, he wouldn't have played him.
Jimbo would have played.

SPEAKER_00 (20:30):
That would have been a Danny Canaro game against
Maryland.
Like, remember the high theHeisman winning season, Charlie
Ward didn't play againstMaryland.

SPEAKER_01 (20:41):
Right.
On the road against Maryland,just because he has sore ribs.
Like, no, I'm not risking it,dude.
Yeah.
I got this backup.
If we're really that good, we'llgo out here and win without him.
But I'm gonna make sure thathe's ready to go when we gotta
go to South Bank.

SPEAKER_00 (20:54):
Yeah, he bought into like, oh yeah, force the player.
No, you sit that dude.

SPEAKER_01 (20:59):
No, yeah.
You know, it's his senior night.
He wants to come out one lasttime.
I get that.

SPEAKER_00 (21:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (21:06):
Play one snap.
Then you get your ass on thesideline.
And tell you what, if we'relosing in the fourth quarter to
this shit ass team, then I'llput you back in and you can be a
hero.
But we're not gonna be.

SPEAKER_00 (21:18):
Right.
Because we blew him the fuckout.
Right.
It was a bad call there, andit's been nothing but shit
since.

SPEAKER_01 (21:26):
Right.
And that's that's gonna be, andhonestly, it just encompasses
how out of his element and inover his head he is.
You think that's what it is?
Yeah, it's definitely what heis.

SPEAKER_00 (21:38):
He's just in over his head.

SPEAKER_01 (21:42):
Every week.
If I don't have kids that go outthere and work their asses off
and self-motivate themselves,dudes that are gonna be future
pros, right?
We're not gonna win.

SPEAKER_00 (21:51):
Right.
There's no, it's all sell it'sfrom those diamonds in the rough
he has.
But it's all from those guys.

SPEAKER_01 (21:58):
Like there's no lightning in a fucking bottle.

SPEAKER_00 (22:01):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (22:02):
Up and down that roster.
You know, a guy like JohnnyWilson that's just been
forgotten.
Trey Benson, oh, I got hurt andjust kind of lost in the
shuffle.
Jordan Travis, signed by adifferent coach, all of a sudden
figures out, dude, I can be areally good quarterback.
Jared Burst, a portal findbefore the portal bubble bursts,
and everybody starts going toit.

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All of that shit.
It all culminated in one reallygood season.

SPEAKER_00 (22:27):
And getting paid.

SPEAKER_01 (22:30):
Yeah, and him getting paid.
Like I said, it's like, youknow, he he's got a few.

SPEAKER_00 (22:34):
By finding the right dudes that were self-motivated,
I guess.

SPEAKER_01 (22:39):
Right.
I got myself paid, they got togo to the NFL.
Only people that got fucked overwere the fans and Jordan Travis.
And that's that's where we sit.
So, I mean, if if if you're aFlorida State fan, you can
actually separate yourself fromemotional investment right now.
You need to be hoping for a lossevery week.

(23:02):
Because that's the only thingthat could possibly get you know
what?
We'll find the fucking money.
I don't care if we've got tomortgage the future of the
athletic department to get it,but we gotta get this loser out
right now.
Because that's what's gonnahappen.
That's it.
I mean, that's that's the onlyway they're saving it.

SPEAKER_00 (23:21):
Anything that can be anything that can be a life rap.
He'll probably go on a littlemini streak here.
Maybe.
No, I mean.
Well, that's the thing.
I mean, yeah, if you don't dothat, I like I said, you gotta
make a bowl.
You gotta make a bowl.
And you gotta take it back, takeit back.

SPEAKER_01 (23:40):
All that is is a life rap for him.
Well, that's not making yourprogram any better.
You're not building off that fornext year because it's the same
shit.

SPEAKER_02 (23:50):
Well, right, lowered expectations.

SPEAKER_01 (23:54):
But see, the thing is, is now you've allowed this
guy, by being a loser, to resetthe expectations of your entire
program.
Right.
What fans should expect.

SPEAKER_00 (24:04):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (24:04):
Because he went two and ten.
Now we have to be happy with sixand six.

SPEAKER_00 (24:09):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (24:09):
And that's that that's just not how it fucking
works.
Well, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 (24:13):
I'm just saying now it's like I if you just want
like look, dude, I don't want toever fucking tank.
Okay.
I want to win every damn game.
Because you're still emotionallyinvested in it.
Right.
I get what you're saying.
I get what you're saying, but Iwant to make a band, I want to
make a damn bowl.

(24:33):
All right.
And all of them.
And they're not good, they can'tfire them, man.
They can't.

SPEAKER_01 (24:39):
I mean, they can't.
Dude, let me tell you something.
If this guy goes wins three,four games this year, and they
miss another bowl.

SPEAKER_00 (24:51):
Like, they will.
That's what I'm saying, man.
Like if he that happens, yes.
But I still think I still thinkthat it looks really bad right
now.
But if you look at the schedule,I think he can get some wins.

SPEAKER_01 (25:05):
There aren't many more teams that are gonna come
in with less on that roster thanPitt.
Wake Forest easily can do to youwhat Pitt just did.
You might get Virginia Tech.
So now you gotta hope thatyou're gonna you're gonna be
able to get away.

SPEAKER_00 (25:20):
You gotta be Stanford, you gotta be Wake.
The weight game, the weightgame's looking a little bit
tougher.

unknown (25:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (25:29):
I'm not gonna lie.
The weight games look too much.

SPEAKER_01 (25:31):
They got a better head coach.
They got a better head coach,the guy that won it, Washington
State.
Like there's no reason to expectthat it's gonna be any different
than the pit game.

SPEAKER_00 (25:42):
You know, Stanford looks horrible, but I'm really
looking forward to that,actually.
I'm looking forward to what wedo against Wayforce.

SPEAKER_01 (25:52):
Yeah, I mean that that's probably what Six Wins
hinges on.
Assuming that you can go out toPalo Alto on a late, yeah.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (26:08):
But it's like for me, I'm you know, all I see six
wins at is hey, we yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (26:17):
It's his life rap.

SPEAKER_00 (26:18):
It's a chance for him and Mike Alfred.
Like, that's what I that's whatI'm saying.
It's like, dude, you gotta getlike I because if you look at it
at the end of the year, even ifyou if you win six, no matter
how it happens, no matter how ithappens, you'll be like, hey,
look, we won two last year, wetripled our win total.

(26:39):
Okay, right.
So like our win total.
So like if you're him, you haveto get this team focused.
You have to rally this team.
You have to get six and do that.
You have to get seven.
You gotta go for seven.

SPEAKER_01 (26:53):
Right.
But even if you did that.

SPEAKER_00 (26:56):
But what am I saying?
They can't even win a damnconference game.

unknown (26:59):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (27:00):
Like, all this is assuming they can beat anybody
in the ACC, which they won't.

SPEAKER_01 (27:06):
No, they won't.
Like this was a freshmanquarterback.
A freshman quarterback just cameand knifed you up.

SPEAKER_00 (27:17):
Yeah.
It was easy, man.
It was too easy.
They don't have any dudes, man.

SPEAKER_01 (27:26):
They got no dudes.
They're not getting any nothingcoming in the in the pipeline.
You know, there's not a bunch ofelite transfers that he's gonna
bring in.

SPEAKER_00 (27:34):
They got no dudes.
It looks like that the gameplan, the one game plan Tony
White had, he worked on forever.
And he had this game planagainst Alabama, and that's it.
Because ever since then, it'sbeen shit.
And then they went out, theywent out and beat the shit out
of nobody's and got theirconfidence really high, and

(27:57):
they've been nothing.
They've been just yeah, I mean,that's they've just been getting
beat and outcoached by I wouldsay subpar talent.

SPEAKER_01 (28:10):
Pitt lost to West Virginia.
Yeah.
Rich Russell.

SPEAKER_00 (28:13):
They're getting beat by the worst players.
They're getting beat by coachesthat shouldn't be get beating
them.

SPEAKER_01 (28:22):
Well, Marduzzi, a guy that's a seven and five
career coach, coming in here andjust making you look like shit.

SPEAKER_02 (28:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (28:30):
Like it's it's uh whatever.
You know, if you if you can holdon and and and deal with a few
more six wins at Max.
Well, I had a feeling, man.
Lower the biggest.
I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_00 (28:45):
In the back of my head, even when they lost to
Miami, I was like, I thinkthey're gonna lose the pit.
Like I in the back of my head, Iwas like, this is gonna go.
And then they're gonna, I'mlike, they're gonna have to keep
fighting, and it's gonna have tobe a season like 2022.
If you're any kind of optimist,you have to hope for that.
You gotta hope that Castellanosrallies and and and gets some

(29:10):
sort of rhythm, and they can winsome games, and they can be
like, hey, we made a bowl.
He's Castellanos is coming backnext year.
Maybe we can get some talent andget yeah, I know.
It's pathetic.
But that's the that's whatyou're that's what that's your
best shot.

SPEAKER_01 (29:28):
Wait, what are you gonna what are you gonna do on
defense?
Like, how are you gonna stopanybody?

SPEAKER_00 (29:32):
No, you can't.

SPEAKER_01 (29:34):
You can't.
You got no pass rush, you haveno linebackers.

SPEAKER_00 (29:38):
There's no pass rush.

SPEAKER_01 (29:40):
The middle of the field is wide open all the time.

SPEAKER_00 (29:43):
Like we're not Yeah, there's no defense.

SPEAKER_01 (29:48):
There's no defense, man.
And I feel bad for William Floydthat he's gotta sit up there and
call these games.
Because you can hear the disgustin his voice.
Like, dude, what what What isthis shit that we're trying out
every week?
Like I did not think that hewould go out and bring somebody

(30:09):
in and put a worse product inAdolder for half the time he was
here.
But dude that's what you'reseeing the last three weeks.

SPEAKER_00 (30:21):
Yeah.
Right.
It like hit it hit lightning ina bottle the first week.
It's been shit since you gavehim to prepare.

SPEAKER_01 (30:33):
That was a guessing game.
They played really well.
Alabama did not play well.

SPEAKER_00 (30:38):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (30:39):
If they had to play again, the game wouldn't be
close the way the two teams wereplaying.
I mean it's it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 (30:44):
I think it was just like, yeah, I think Al I think
Alabama wasn't ready.

SPEAKER_01 (30:49):
Alright, and you know, same thing on the other
side of the ball, dude.
Gus is not some from offensivesavant.
It's very basic offense.

SPEAKER_00 (30:59):
They didn't know, they didn't know who to watch
out for.
They didn't know because oncethey would have they would have
done exactly what Miami did.
They would have done the samething.
It would have been exactly whatMiami did.
Exactly what Pitt did.

SPEAKER_01 (31:20):
Right.
It pretty much all boils down tois how bad is this season gonna
be?
If it's fucking really, really,really bad, then you just gotta
hope that they go ahead and pullthe plug.

SPEAKER_00 (31:34):
Well, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 (31:38):
He's definitely not getting fired if he makes a
ball.

SPEAKER_00 (31:41):
Well that yeah.
You can't fire him, but two andten.
If you want four and eightfired, you need him to lose out.

SPEAKER_01 (31:52):
Pretty much.

SPEAKER_00 (31:54):
And that's not I'm not saying that's that's that
could definitely happen.
Which I never thought wouldhappen.
It's what's so sad.
That's definitely possible.
They could lose the worst atStanford.
Yeah, they could definitely loseat Stanford.

SPEAKER_01 (32:10):
Right.
Why not?
I mean, you know, you can't.

SPEAKER_00 (32:13):
Is that the worst team they're gonna play?

SPEAKER_01 (32:15):
Yeah, probably from a roster standpoint.
Is next week.

SPEAKER_00 (32:19):
So if you can't win next week, then you play as a
head coach.
Then you play Wake at home.
Then you uh then you go on theroad against Clemson, then you
have Virginia.

SPEAKER_01 (32:31):
You got Wake at home with a with a mobile
quarterback.
Yeah, then you got Clemson witha mobile quarterback, Virginia
Tech with a mobile quarterback,NC State on the road, and then
down at Gainesville, like, dude,you're not first of all, you're
not winning any road gamesagainst those teams.
The only shot you got at a roadwin is next week.

(32:52):
And playing home games doesn'tmean shit.

SPEAKER_00 (32:56):
You know, like this this is a good one.
I think we gotta go, man.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (33:17):
I mean, I I honestly I think it should cost the
athletic director his job aswell.
We had to go.
Our rod was here.
We gotta uh shuttle.

SPEAKER_00 (33:30):
Well, we gotta get on out of here.
We gotta shuttle to get.
But Jimmy says Alfred needs tobe toast too.

SPEAKER_01 (33:39):
Well, I'd fucking shit can't come now.

SPEAKER_00 (33:41):
Well, I just I mean, it's all about money with him.
He's just all about ratings andmoney and trying to like if
anything, it's almost likespecial project.
Yeah, he makes you think we gotsome great team.
That's but he's just shit.
He just he all he does is putlike fucking catch up on a turd,
you know.

SPEAKER_01 (34:01):
It's just yeah, I mean, it's he's a baseball guy.

SPEAKER_00 (34:05):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (34:06):
Again, like if we didn't have two alums that were
you know thought highly of incoaching ranks, like would would
we have coaches worth a shit ineither one of those sports?
I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 (34:19):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (34:19):
Women's basketball has an alum.

SPEAKER_00 (34:22):
Well, I mean, yeah, I mean that's yeah, you can't
not that that that can't be adetriment to the code to the A
B, but I I think what you'retalking about here is what you
just have to get to is right infront of your face.

(34:42):
It's Mike Norvell and thecontract he gave him after 2023.
And it was like, hey man, youdidn't have to give them that
big of a contract, and it'salmost like you still have to
put that money down.
Go ahead and let them walk.
We're at Florida State, right?
You can if you know what you'redoing and you know how to
fucking recruit and you know howto coach ball, you can win here.

(35:07):
And we can find somebody thatdoes that.
And we're not gonna fucking bendover backwards for somebody
that's from Texas.

SPEAKER_01 (35:16):
No, not somebody that's from the city.

SPEAKER_00 (35:18):
But that's what we did.
We bent over backwards and wesigned up for the rear and the
steer.
But you can give you a couple ofyears.

SPEAKER_01 (35:28):
You can give him a huge contract, man.
$10 million a year.
But that buyout money is.
That's where I meant.

SPEAKER_00 (35:35):
Yeah, that's where he he got duped.

SPEAKER_01 (35:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (35:39):
He didn't want to read it.
He didn't got lazy.
He didn't want to read it.
He just wanted to buy in.
He won, he was like, Man, I hebought in.
He got duped.
He didn't go.
He didn't he didn't treatNorvell like he treated the
stock, the women's soccer coach.

SPEAKER_01 (35:58):
Oh, a woman's soccer coach left on his own.
I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_00 (36:02):
All right, we'll watch it.

SPEAKER_01 (36:04):
He didn't want to work for Alfred.

SPEAKER_00 (36:06):
We'll react to it, and we'll talk to you next time.
Right here on the North FloridaSports Network.