December 23, 2024 • 16 mins
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Cindy talks about the drummer boys of the Civil War.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
On the twelfth day of Christmas, my true love gave to
me twelve drummers drumming.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm very interested to know what you did, because I
feel like we've we have coveredmusic in warfare throughout
history, and drums do play avery large role in that.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Well, and, katie, it's funny you say that, because
I I went around and I had somany different ideas for what I
was going to do, including, liketaiko, drumming, which I still
want to do a story on but I haveto say that talking about music
and war and the importance ofdrums in war kind of influenced
(00:57):
the topic that I chose for ourvery last episode for the 12
Days of Christmas.
You know what, katie, if I justdon't do my story, then this
never has to end.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, but then we would never get to hear your
story.
Cindy, I would.
I don't know.
It's like Schrodinger's cat itboth exists and doesn't exist.
His podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Schrodinger's podcast .
Okay, katie.
Well, for the sake of ourlisteners, content.
Okay, katie.
Well, for the sake of ourlisteners, I will do a story,
but I have a question for youfirst.
You have given birth before.
Yes, yes, as far as I know.
(01:40):
So when you gave birth, whatwas the last thing that you
wanted to?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
have in the delivery room with you.
Oh, a velociraptor.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I thought you were going to say a drummer boy.
And let's be honest, this isthe real reason why Mary really
is a saint.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
That reminds me when I was being born, there was a
custodian in the room.
I was being born, there was acustodian in the room.
So I don't know where thatfalls between Drummer Boy and
Velociraptor, but I have afeeling it's somewhere,
somewhere in there.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
No gifts to bring swish swish, swish for my broom.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I just came to change out the soap dispenser
dispenser the song, the littledrummer boy.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I feel like I always thought it was written like
thousands of years ago.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Oh, I thought it was written like the 50s, I thought
it was like.
I thought it was written inlike 1950.
There are, cindy, there areliterally dozens of people who
were alive then.
(02:53):
How do we not know this?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
it is not certain who wrote the song, the little
drummer boy.
Many say that katherine k Daviswrote it in 1941 and that the
lyrics are based on an old Czechcarol.
There is also a lot ofcontroversy surrounding who
actually wrote the music for thesong, but I'm not getting into
that today.
Today, katie, I want to tellyou the story of the real
(03:20):
drummer boys.
Drummer boys.
So, like I mentioned, I didtalk about the history of music
and war and that drums were avery integral part of battles in
many cultures across the world.
But for this episode, Ispecifically want to tell you
some stories about drummer boysduring the Civil War.
So the drummer boys of both theUnion and the Confederate
(03:43):
armies were the youngestsoldiers on the battlefields.
They were basically children.
Many of them were like 13, 14years old and there were some
even as young as eight years old.
That's incredible.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I was going to ask if they were actually.
When you say drummer boy, doyou mean drummer boy or just
like drummer young adult?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I mean drummer children, generally the male sex
.
I don't know of any drummergirls.
So yeah, drummer boys, andthat's 13 and 14 year old boys
these days what are they doing?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
playing minecraft and trying to do like they're on
tiktok, trying to do crazy,crazy pranks.
Pantsing that's the big thingnow.
Pantsing Really, yes, at leastin my geographical area it is an
epidemic to the point wherethey have to send home letters
(04:37):
to families to say we are awareof the pantsing issue in our
schools.
We will be addressing it.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
We are deeply concerned of the pantsing issue
in our schools.
We will be addressing it.
We are deeply concerned.
That's going to make my storiestoday even more poignant.
I think so, for these drummerboys.
Their role wasn't just toprovide musical entertainment
for troops, they were alsoresponsible for playing the
drums to communicate vitalbattle orders and signals.
(05:03):
So when a battle took place,the drummer boys generally stay
towards the rear of the battle,but they were still on the
battlefield, which meant theywere still constantly in harm's
way.
And even when the battles wereover, the drummer boys would be
charged with walking around thebattlefield looking for wounded
survivors that they would thenhelp to carry to the hospital
(05:24):
tents, and they also would helpto bury the dead.
Oh my gosh.
So there weren't any age limitsto be a musician in the army.
Well, let me backtrack.
So there were age restrictionsfor being in the army during
this time, but they were kind offlexible, I was going to say.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
is it age restrictions or age suggestions?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
More of suggestions, but there were no age limits to
be a musician in the army, whichis what a drummer boy was.
Apparently, the drummer boylifestyle appeared quite
glamorous for boys, and boyswould even sometimes run away
from home to enlist to becomedrummer boys.
Other drummer boys were thechildren or orphan children of
(06:14):
soldiers serving in the sameunit.
Even at the time, adults werefascinated by the concept of
drummer boys and, I think, likeyou and me, like the idea that
these children would be so movedand motivated to fight for
their beliefs that they wouldjoin, that they would be
(06:35):
desperate to join the military.
And so a lot of drummer boyswere portrayed in paintings.
They were often the subjects ofearly photographic portraits.
Portraits and pictures wouldstir a lot of emotion within
people during this time.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I know to them it's a very romantic idea, and I know
this is me coming from my modernpoint of view, but all I can
think is they're just children,though.
They really are just littlekids, even 13, 14 year olds who
think themselves as being verygrown up, very mature, but
they're still really, in so manyways, still kids.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
So, not surprisingly, many of these drummer boys died
in battle, but some went on toearn the highest military
recognition At just 13 years old.
William E Willie Johnston of StJohnsbury was a drummer for the
, the 3rd Vermont Infantry'sCompany D, who participated in
(07:36):
the Seven Days Battle.
He was awarded the Medal ofHonor and he still remains the
youngest recipient of the Medalof Honor.
That's incredible.
Orion Perseus Howe of the 55thIllinois Infantry.
He was only 14 years old whenhe earned his own medal of honor
for his service at Vicksburg.
Despite receiving a musket ballwound through his leg and being
(07:58):
exposed to constant heavy firefrom the enemy, Orion remained
on the battlefield.
He even managed to deliver avery important message to
General Sherman that the troopswere in need of more cartridges,
despite being severely wounded.
That the troops were in need ofmore cartridges despite being
severely wounded.
Damn.
There was another kid who wasonly 10 years old.
His name was John McLaughlin ofLafayette, Indiana, and again,
(08:26):
he was only 10 years old when heattached himself to the 10th
Indiana at the outbreak of theCivil War.
However, he was not contentjust to beat his own drum, as
they say.
Mclaughlin picked up a musketand he fought alongside the
troops.
He's like 10, 11 years old.
He was eventually transferredto a Kentucky Calvary outfit and
(08:47):
, despite being wounded twice atthe Battle of Perryville, he
refused a medical discharge.
Instead talk about cojonesKatie he went directly to
president Lincoln and was likedon't let me go.
Like I know I was wounded, I donot want to leave the military.
So Lincoln assigned him or,excuse me, Lincoln reassigned
(09:12):
him as a bugler.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You can't be a drummer anymore, but you can
bugle, but drumming is my dream.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
The most famous drummer boy of the Civil War has
to be Johnny Clem, who is alsoreferred to as quote, the
drummer boy of Chickamauga ohyeah.
Am I saying?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
that correctly, His his name was the Clemonator.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Oh, he's like, oh, shucks, like that would have
been so much better.
So he was born in Newark, ohio,in 1851 and he was always
viewed as very small for his age.
One journalist said that theClemonator.
I'm going to have to do thatfrom now on.
One journalist even said thathe was small enough to live
(10:00):
inside his drum.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Like a hermit crab.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
He could just change drums depending on the season.
So initially he was deniedenlistment but he was eventually
adopted as a drummer and mascotby the 24th Ohio volunteers as
well as the 22nd Massachusettsor 22nd Michigan infantry.
Apparently, people even gottheir M states mixed up even
(10:32):
back then.
So one of them.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
There's a big difference between massachusetts
and michigan, though.
That's what I say.
But and also they couldn't findlike a dog or a horse or a
mythical creature that theycould use as a mascot.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
They had to use a small child but he's so cute in
his little bandana.
Look at him.
In his little hat there's adrum he could just live inside.
By the time he was 12 years old, he had seen enough action to
warrant his official enlistmentinto the regular army.
He then changed his name toJohn Lincoln Clem in honor of
(11:11):
president Lincoln.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Aw he's just sucking up just trying to get the Clem
in honor of president Lincoln.
Oh, he's just sucking up Justtrying to get the congressional
medal of honor.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, during the battle of Chickamauga, a mounted
Confederate Colonel galloped upto Johnny.
The officer apparently shoutedeither stop you, little Yankee
devil, or surrender you littledamn son of a bitch Out of his
saddle without hesitation, orsurrender you, little damn son
of a bitch.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Johnny shot the officer out of his saddle
without hesitation.
Cindy, that is how I'm going torefer to my children henceforth
you little.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yankee devils.
At another point, johnny wascaptured by General Joseph
Wheeler's cavalry and he wastaken directly to Wheeler
himself.
Allegedly, wheeler asked Johnnywhat are you doing here, you
damned little Yankee scoundrel?
Here's another idea.
You're a little Yankeescoundrel, yeah?
To which Johnny replied.
General Wheeler, sir, I am nomore a damned scoundrel than you
(12:09):
are.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Oh, that is one heck of a clapback.
Let me tell you.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
The soldiers took the few possessions Johnny had and
they ended up exchanging him.
Johnny didn't care about losinghis possessions, except for his
hat, which apparently had threebullet holes in it that he had
received at.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Chickamauga.
So he didn't care about hisdrum slash house, but the hat.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
It had so many memories.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
So many buttholes, so many memories.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
A few years after the Civil War ended, president
Ulysses S Grant nominated Johnnyfor enrollment at West Point.
West Point, yes.
However, johnny had neverreceived a proper education and
failed his entrance exams.
Aw, stay in school, kids, andend up like old johnny actually
(13:02):
it's fine if you end up likejohnny, because grant
nonetheless appointed johnny asecond lieutenant in the army.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Johnny continued to rise in the ranks and in 1915 he
retired as a brigadier generalwho was the last civil war
veteran on the army, rolls wellthat's because he started when
he was eight, so when he was afetus start young kids you can
move up young, work your way up,don't get a proper education.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Just have friends in high places and you'll be fine.
You'll end up like the oldclement.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Now, cindy, hypothetically, who do you think
would win in hand-to-handcombat mad jack or the
cleminator?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
um hands down.
Mad jack gady hands down.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
what about in a um like a uh music battle, bagpipes
versus drums?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Ooh, ooh, Um, ooh, I have to.
Ooh, that's a tough one, that'sa really tough one.
Katie, what do you think I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I bet you, Johnny, could lay down some really sick
beats.
So I'm going to give him.
I'm going to give him the uh, Ithink he's going to win, only
because I feel like your armswould not get as tired as
quickly as trying to constantlyinflate a bag pipe full of air
console.
And I just think Johnny'sprobably got the better more
(14:37):
upper body strength and alsojust the willful exuberance of
youth I feel like would carryhim.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
And he can live inside his drums, whereas Mad
Jack probably couldn't fitinside his back.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Not with that attitude, Cindy.
No.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Well, Katie, this is the end of our 12 Days of
Christmas.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Oh, cindy, this was such a joy A tour throughout
time and history with you.
There's no other way I'd liketo spend the first or second
12th the second I don't know.
There's no other way I'd liketo spend my holiday season.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Me too.
Merry Christmas, Katie.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Merry Christmas, Cindy and a happy new year,
thank you.
On the twelfth day of Christmas, my true love gave to
me twelve drummers drumming.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm very interested to know what you did, because I
feel like we've we have coveredmusic in warfare throughout
history, and drums do play avery large role in that.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Well, and, katie, it's funny you say that, because
I I went around and I had somany different ideas for what I
was going to do, including, liketaiko, drumming, which I still
want to do a story on but I haveto say that talking about music
and war and the importance ofdrums in war kind of influenced
(00:57):
the topic that I chose for ourvery last episode for the 12
Days of Christmas.
You know what, katie, if I justdon't do my story, then this
never has to end.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, but then we would never get to hear your
story.
Cindy, I would.
I don't know.
It's like Schrodinger's cat itboth exists and doesn't exist.
His podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Schrodinger's podcast .
Okay, katie.
Well, for the sake of ourlisteners, content.
Okay, katie.
Well, for the sake of ourlisteners, I will do a story,
but I have a question for youfirst.
You have given birth before.
Yes, yes, as far as I know.
(01:40):
So when you gave birth, whatwas the last thing that you
wanted to?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
have in the delivery room with you.
Oh, a velociraptor.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I thought you were going to say a drummer boy.
And let's be honest, this isthe real reason why Mary really
is a saint.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
That reminds me when I was being born, there was a
custodian in the room.
I was being born, there was acustodian in the room.
So I don't know where thatfalls between Drummer Boy and
Velociraptor, but I have afeeling it's somewhere,
somewhere in there.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
No gifts to bring swish swish, swish for my broom.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I just came to change out the soap dispenser
dispenser the song, the littledrummer boy.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I feel like I always thought it was written like
thousands of years ago.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Oh, I thought it was written like the 50s, I thought
it was like.
I thought it was written inlike 1950.
There are, cindy, there areliterally dozens of people who
were alive then.
(02:53):
How do we not know this?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
it is not certain who wrote the song, the little
drummer boy.
Many say that katherine k Daviswrote it in 1941 and that the
lyrics are based on an old Czechcarol.
There is also a lot ofcontroversy surrounding who
actually wrote the music for thesong, but I'm not getting into
that today.
Today, katie, I want to tellyou the story of the real
(03:20):
drummer boys.
Drummer boys.
So, like I mentioned, I didtalk about the history of music
and war and that drums were avery integral part of battles in
many cultures across the world.
But for this episode, Ispecifically want to tell you
some stories about drummer boysduring the Civil War.
So the drummer boys of both theUnion and the Confederate
(03:43):
armies were the youngestsoldiers on the battlefields.
They were basically children.
Many of them were like 13, 14years old and there were some
even as young as eight years old.
That's incredible.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I was going to ask if they were actually.
When you say drummer boy, doyou mean drummer boy or just
like drummer young adult?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I mean drummer children, generally the male sex
.
I don't know of any drummergirls.
So yeah, drummer boys, andthat's 13 and 14 year old boys
these days what are they doing?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
playing minecraft and trying to do like they're on
tiktok, trying to do crazy,crazy pranks.
Pantsing that's the big thingnow.
Pantsing Really, yes, at leastin my geographical area it is an
epidemic to the point wherethey have to send home letters
(04:37):
to families to say we are awareof the pantsing issue in our
schools.
We will be addressing it.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
We are deeply concerned of the pantsing issue
in our schools.
We will be addressing it.
We are deeply concerned.
That's going to make my storiestoday even more poignant.
I think so, for these drummerboys.
Their role wasn't just toprovide musical entertainment
for troops, they were alsoresponsible for playing the
drums to communicate vitalbattle orders and signals.
(05:03):
So when a battle took place,the drummer boys generally stay
towards the rear of the battle,but they were still on the
battlefield, which meant theywere still constantly in harm's
way.
And even when the battles wereover, the drummer boys would be
charged with walking around thebattlefield looking for wounded
survivors that they would thenhelp to carry to the hospital
(05:24):
tents, and they also would helpto bury the dead.
Oh my gosh.
So there weren't any age limitsto be a musician in the army.
Well, let me backtrack.
So there were age restrictionsfor being in the army during
this time, but they were kind offlexible, I was going to say.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
is it age restrictions or age suggestions?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
More of suggestions, but there were no age limits to
be a musician in the army, whichis what a drummer boy was.
Apparently, the drummer boylifestyle appeared quite
glamorous for boys, and boyswould even sometimes run away
from home to enlist to becomedrummer boys.
Other drummer boys were thechildren or orphan children of
(06:14):
soldiers serving in the sameunit.
Even at the time, adults werefascinated by the concept of
drummer boys and, I think, likeyou and me, like the idea that
these children would be so movedand motivated to fight for
their beliefs that they wouldjoin, that they would be
(06:35):
desperate to join the military.
And so a lot of drummer boyswere portrayed in paintings.
They were often the subjects ofearly photographic portraits.
Portraits and pictures wouldstir a lot of emotion within
people during this time.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I know to them it's a very romantic idea, and I know
this is me coming from my modernpoint of view, but all I can
think is they're just children,though.
They really are just littlekids, even 13, 14 year olds who
think themselves as being verygrown up, very mature, but
they're still really, in so manyways, still kids.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
So, not surprisingly, many of these drummer boys died
in battle, but some went on toearn the highest military
recognition At just 13 years old.
William E Willie Johnston of StJohnsbury was a drummer for the
, the 3rd Vermont Infantry'sCompany D, who participated in
(07:36):
the Seven Days Battle.
He was awarded the Medal ofHonor and he still remains the
youngest recipient of the Medalof Honor.
That's incredible.
Orion Perseus Howe of the 55thIllinois Infantry.
He was only 14 years old whenhe earned his own medal of honor
for his service at Vicksburg.
Despite receiving a musket ballwound through his leg and being
(07:58):
exposed to constant heavy firefrom the enemy, Orion remained
on the battlefield.
He even managed to deliver avery important message to
General Sherman that the troopswere in need of more cartridges,
despite being severely wounded.
That the troops were in need ofmore cartridges despite being
severely wounded.
Damn.
There was another kid who wasonly 10 years old.
His name was John McLaughlin ofLafayette, Indiana, and again,
(08:26):
he was only 10 years old when heattached himself to the 10th
Indiana at the outbreak of theCivil War.
However, he was not contentjust to beat his own drum, as
they say.
Mclaughlin picked up a musketand he fought alongside the
troops.
He's like 10, 11 years old.
He was eventually transferredto a Kentucky Calvary outfit and
(08:47):
, despite being wounded twice atthe Battle of Perryville, he
refused a medical discharge.
Instead talk about cojonesKatie he went directly to
president Lincoln and was likedon't let me go.
Like I know I was wounded, I donot want to leave the military.
So Lincoln assigned him or,excuse me, Lincoln reassigned
(09:12):
him as a bugler.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You can't be a drummer anymore, but you can
bugle, but drumming is my dream.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
The most famous drummer boy of the Civil War has
to be Johnny Clem, who is alsoreferred to as quote, the
drummer boy of Chickamauga ohyeah.
Am I saying?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
that correctly, His his name was the Clemonator.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Oh, he's like, oh, shucks, like that would have
been so much better.
So he was born in Newark, ohio,in 1851 and he was always
viewed as very small for his age.
One journalist said that theClemonator.
I'm going to have to do thatfrom now on.
One journalist even said thathe was small enough to live
(10:00):
inside his drum.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Like a hermit crab.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
He could just change drums depending on the season.
So initially he was deniedenlistment but he was eventually
adopted as a drummer and mascotby the 24th Ohio volunteers as
well as the 22nd Massachusettsor 22nd Michigan infantry.
Apparently, people even gottheir M states mixed up even
(10:32):
back then.
So one of them.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
There's a big difference between massachusetts
and michigan, though.
That's what I say.
But and also they couldn't findlike a dog or a horse or a
mythical creature that theycould use as a mascot.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
They had to use a small child but he's so cute in
his little bandana.
Look at him.
In his little hat there's adrum he could just live inside.
By the time he was 12 years old, he had seen enough action to
warrant his official enlistmentinto the regular army.
He then changed his name toJohn Lincoln Clem in honor of
(11:11):
president Lincoln.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Aw he's just sucking up just trying to get the Clem
in honor of president Lincoln.
Oh, he's just sucking up Justtrying to get the congressional
medal of honor.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, during the battle of Chickamauga, a mounted
Confederate Colonel galloped upto Johnny.
The officer apparently shoutedeither stop you, little Yankee
devil, or surrender you littledamn son of a bitch Out of his
saddle without hesitation, orsurrender you, little damn son
of a bitch.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Johnny shot the officer out of his saddle
without hesitation.
Cindy, that is how I'm going torefer to my children henceforth
you little.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yankee devils.
At another point, johnny wascaptured by General Joseph
Wheeler's cavalry and he wastaken directly to Wheeler
himself.
Allegedly, wheeler asked Johnnywhat are you doing here, you
damned little Yankee scoundrel?
Here's another idea.
You're a little Yankeescoundrel, yeah?
To which Johnny replied.
General Wheeler, sir, I am nomore a damned scoundrel than you
(12:09):
are.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Oh, that is one heck of a clapback.
Let me tell you.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
The soldiers took the few possessions Johnny had and
they ended up exchanging him.
Johnny didn't care about losinghis possessions, except for his
hat, which apparently had threebullet holes in it that he had
received at.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Chickamauga.
So he didn't care about hisdrum slash house, but the hat.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
It had so many memories.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
So many buttholes, so many memories.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
A few years after the Civil War ended, president
Ulysses S Grant nominated Johnnyfor enrollment at West Point.
West Point, yes.
However, johnny had neverreceived a proper education and
failed his entrance exams.
Aw, stay in school, kids, andend up like old johnny actually
(13:02):
it's fine if you end up likejohnny, because grant
nonetheless appointed johnny asecond lieutenant in the army.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Johnny continued to rise in the ranks and in 1915 he
retired as a brigadier generalwho was the last civil war
veteran on the army, rolls wellthat's because he started when
he was eight, so when he was afetus start young kids you can
move up young, work your way up,don't get a proper education.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Just have friends in high places and you'll be fine.
You'll end up like the oldclement.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Now, cindy, hypothetically, who do you think
would win in hand-to-handcombat mad jack or the
cleminator?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
um hands down.
Mad jack gady hands down.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
what about in a um like a uh music battle, bagpipes
versus drums?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Ooh, ooh, Um, ooh, I have to.
Ooh, that's a tough one, that'sa really tough one.
Katie, what do you think I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I bet you, Johnny, could lay down some really sick
beats.
So I'm going to give him.
I'm going to give him the uh, Ithink he's going to win, only
because I feel like your armswould not get as tired as
quickly as trying to constantlyinflate a bag pipe full of air
console.
And I just think Johnny'sprobably got the better more
(14:37):
upper body strength and alsojust the willful exuberance of
youth I feel like would carryhim.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
And he can live inside his drums, whereas Mad
Jack probably couldn't fitinside his back.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Not with that attitude, Cindy.
No.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Well, Katie, this is the end of our 12 Days of
Christmas.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Oh, cindy, this was such a joy A tour throughout
time and history with you.
There's no other way I'd liketo spend the first or second
12th the second I don't know.
There's no other way I'd liketo spend my holiday season.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Me too.
Merry Christmas, Katie.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Merry Christmas, Cindy and a happy new year,
thank you.
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