Dunk Debate, Coaching Legends, and Golf Grooves

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome back to the non-muse podcast, back for
another week with Tyler andDavid.
Hello everybody, and again I'mtrying to keep the streak alive,
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We're getting ready to startbooming into the season and

(00:34):
we're going to get busy.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I promise you that you say we're starting booming
in the season and it's snowingoutside right now.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Okay.
So yes, this is true, it issnowing.
It's pretty much snowed all day.
It was 70 last week, though,about a week and a half ago, we
had a string of six straightdays high 60s, low 70s, and,
looking at the forecast the nextcouple weeks, we got some good
60s coming back and, of course,march.
March is kind of synonymouswith it's time to get back on

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the course, but even if you'renot, a big time golfer, come
check us out.
We're so much more than justabout golf.
It's about the funentertainment side of it.
So again, if you haven't heardof us, come check us out, see
what we're all about.
But yeah, again, we talkforever before we actually get

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started.
We do.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
And we actually just got onto a topic that we're like
all right, shut up.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
We both were telling each other to shut up because
we're like the longest one.
We gotta talk about that,because it's one thing that
we're both kind of interested in.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
We're listening to some bands from all across
different areas diamond, rio thebest one is the one we let's do
so far.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
I can't even tell you that was.
I just had to listen to him andit was torture if you know
Diamond.
Rio Diamond.
Rio is amazing.
You're a real one, if you knowDiamond.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Rio.
You're real if you know DiamondRio.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Alright, so then we go back to another playlist we
keep playing.
Eddie Money is on Take Me HomeTonight.
Most people know that song,unless you're a current teenager
.
May not, but even then you may.
But we kind of got off on thetopic.
Neither of us would you call usTruly musically inclined.
David way, way more than me.

(02:09):
Like he can at least play someinstruments, I can't do it play
the guitar a little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
I can play the drums probably better than I play the
guitar, and it's still great,sure, but what I would love to
do is sing, and I can't singwith a lick.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
So I hate when people are like well, everybody can
sing, everybody can sing, butthat doesn't mean you should
like.
There's some people that shouldsing and there's a lot of
people that shouldn't.
I fall in that category of you.
Shouldn't sing in public, inthe shower in the car by
yourself.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Oh, I'll belt it oh yeah but I'm not, don't worry,
you're not gonna hear me sing onthis mic, so no, I mean I don't
think I could adjust not, don'tworry, you're not going to hear
me sing on this mic, so I don'tthink I could adjust this.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
I don't think there's enough auto-tune in the world
that could make me truly soundgood.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
I see all this stuff about auto-tune.
I want to try it, see if I canactually sound good.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
I'd be curious, like I've seen some.
There's some AI apps thatapparently will do some for you,
but I'm like, at what point isit no longer me?
You know what I mean At thatpoint it's no longer you singing
, so it's like you're not reallygood.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
I'm afraid I'm going to try it and it's going to pop
up and be like it's not goodenough.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
We can't get there.
Please stop, put your two weeksin now and just stop.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
AI is talented, but not that talented.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Come on now.
Ai can do a lot, but that'sprobably over the reach of it.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Singing is such a God-given talent I guess you'd
say I mean you either have it oryou don't.
I mean, if you're decent, youcan get better.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Right, but I think you have to have a somewhat of a
start Like I don't think youcan just be awful and ever
actually get good.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, no, I'm that way you can get better.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Like we were saying like somebody like me, horrible
singer like I, just I don't havethose sounds.
The same way, if I go to avocal coach and just that's all
I ever do is practice, will Iget better, yes, will I get good
, no that's one of those.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
It doesn't matter how hard you work at if you don't
have any of it, you just ain'tnever getting it.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
So what you're telling me?
When my mom told me when I waslittle I could be whatever I
want to be, she lied to me.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
She probably did, probably did, because if you
don't have at least a little,bit.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
She said I could be handsome, and that's a lie too.
That's true.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
She lied to me a lot, I guess, kind of stuff.
You know that's I um.
You know I migrated towards thedrums at some point.
You know I played um guitar anddrums kind of at the same time.
I started playing them.
Guitar is one of those thingsthat if you can't sing, what's
the point?
Like yeah, you get a band orsomething, but I mean like if
you're a guitar player I canremember high school, my area of
high school.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
You know I went to high school locally here.
The guys that were playingguitar and singing, that's who
women flock to.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, that's what they want.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Like that's what you're saying.
Like just because you can playguitar didn't mean much.
They're like oh, that's cool.
But if you could do both, evenif it was just remotely good
solid, yeah, it was like oh,that's a cool thing that's.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
I could be the best guitar player in the world and
outside of you know, going toplaying for a band or something
I gotta go find somebody else tosing for me.
What's the point in that right?

Speaker 1 (05:11):
maybe that's why those guys do get in bands
because they're like I'm reallygood at this and I could be
really good in a band, but Ican't help you on the other side
.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Maybe that's what it is.
So you're saying we can start aband if we find a singer.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
What am I going to play?
The kazoo.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
I mean.
I could.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
I mean I could Listen , I can keep a beat to an extent
, like I could be on time, Icould do that kind of stuff.
But yeah, I don't know how toread music.
That's one thing I wish I wouldhave done when I was a kid.
Was gotten into some type ofmusic and I never some type of
music, and I never, never did I.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
I took a one drum lesson, that was it and I didn't
go back.
So I'm all self-taught my stuff.
I'm not a good enough guitarplayer to play in a band.
Sure, I can get through a fewsongs.
Drummer, I could get throughsome easy stuff, but I'm not
like these, like right now, whatwe're listening to oh no chance
I can't touch these guys.
I mean unbelievably talented,and you can tell me what we're
listening to because but it'ssome, some panic of the discos.
Yeah, touch these guys.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
These guys are unbelievably talented and you
can tell me what we're listeningto Because of this event, but
it's.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Some panic of the discos.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah.
Like these guys are just Notsaying that you know it's our
favorite bands, but it's.
They're just talented Likethese.
Dudes Are good at what they do,yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, I'm not that good and I don't have time To
practice it.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
And I got the things that I'm interested in.
Now that, like I, I feel likeI'm too old to try to pick that
up now, yeah, and what am Ireally going to do with it?
Like, don't worry, I'm notdoing anything special with golf
and I'm really into that, but,but it to me is a little bit
easier to do, well, you?
Almost got a pick, especiallywhen you get older and have kids
and less time oh, you don't getmultiple hobbies, it's kind of

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one and done if you get one.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
I mean honest with you my hobbies are coaching my
kids teams.
True, that's what it comes outto be, yeah yeah, that's, very
true so so anyway, if you guyscan sing, yeah great, good for
you.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
I'm very happy.
I'm a little jealous.
I would say I'm a littlejealous, probably gonna hate you
, just just a little bit behindyour back.
But yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
So my daughter is in uh, chorus choir, whatever they
call it, I can't remember what,of course, I guess and so she
can sing a little bit.
So I guess I'm just gonna ifI'm gonna play guitar, I'm just
gonna have to piggyback on heras she gets older.
I don't know, but that's true.
Here's what it is.
But I do have this randomquestion I gotta ask because I
saw it and I've been thinkingabout this and I let it go.
So we, we brought up jd vance,I don't know, a couple weeks ago

(07:28):
or something.
I don't remember what it was.
Right, right, uh, he's born inthe same town.
I was born, and all the stuffoh yeah, that's right.
I do remember that every time Isee the man and and I'm a jd
vance fan, okay, I'm just gonnasay it.
Yeah, I'm a jd vance fan.
I love what they're doing.
I'm not gonna get into politicsat the moment, but we might be
there a while if we do.
Every time I see a videopicture of him, the question
that comes to my mind is the manwearing eyeliner.

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Have you ever noticed it.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
I've never thought of it, but I probably will now.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
I can't look at a picture without thinking.
Now, I don't think he does.
Well so here's the thing,there's something going on there
, that's a very common thingnowadays Makeup in general.
Yes In some way, especially ifyou're on TV and video, I guess
politicians.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Politicians are so viewed by everyone, whether
positive or negative, all thetime, like, yeah, I'm sure they
probably touch them up here andthere Because you've got to
think like that's a stressfuljob, right, like there's a lot
of things that they're involvedwith, a lot of things that they
have to make big decisions on,usually when, when those guys

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come out of office, they lookmuch worse than they went in.
So yeah, I could see see, hiseyes are kind of so david just
hand me a camera or, excuse me,just hand me his phone so I can
see a picture and Now that'smore close up Than what I
normally see, like on videos,and I'm just kind of like what
is going?

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Like they're?
His eyes are kind of Sit back.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
He's got some darkness Around his eyes, yeah,
like he kind of looks like.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Some shadows.
In a way, he has some blue.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
So that's really why I say that may be part of it too
, because even like when I lookat your eyes, like your
eyelashes Look super prominentDo I look like I'm wearing
eyeliner?

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Not to that extent, but like they look Way more
prominent Because you're theactual color's, so light, so
maybe that's what it is, butevery time I see His picture I'm
like Is he wearing eyeliner?
Well, I mean like my eyes?

Speaker 1 (09:19):
You may not, because my eyes are like black.
I mean, I have super, super,super dark eyes.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
So maybe that's what it is, because his eyes are so
light Everything else is darker.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
I don't know, I've never noticed it.
I mean, I'm going to startlooking for it.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Everybody will, because it's there.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
It's there.
I'm starting to lean that maybehe does sometimes Listen.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
I know JD's been on a lot of podcasts.
Jd's been on a lot of podcasts.
I don't see him coming on ours,but if he does, we will ask him
.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Come on, jd, come tell us, let's clear it up.
Do you wear eyeliner you?

Speaker 1 (09:47):
were born in the same place as David.
Come on.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
We're bros, we've got a lot of things to talk about.
We're bros, see.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Well, we'll say this it's been a somewhat purely just
because football's done.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
We are no football until next season.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Outside of TGL, they decided to have their whole
tournament in one week.
Right NBA was off this weekwith the All-Star weekend and,
oh my gosh, adam Silver.
What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (10:20):
I quit watching that a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
So I've not been interested in it.
I did send you and Brian a memetoday about Tyler.
Hero won the three-pointcontest.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Mack McClung won the slam dunk contest.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
You know it was.
You know the white guys reallydid some big things in the NBA
this weekend.
You know proud of them.
I don't really like the wholeMack McClung.
You're not good enough to be inthe NBA but we're going to
bring you to a dunk contest.
If we're just going for thebest dunkers in the world, then
let's just say that.
Let's not say we're doing theNBA slam dunk contest because
he's not there.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
You can't say that if it's not an NBA player.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
So I mean he's won three straight.
So I mean he's good at it, butthat's the thing.
He's athletic enough to do that, but he's not good enough at
basketball to be in the league.
That, to me, is like okay, heshouldn't be eligible then.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, no I agree.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Because he's not an all-star, that's supposed to be
only all-stars.
So that, to me, is where it'sreally hard.
I'd feel robbed.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
I mean, it's not like I'm going to go dunk it Well.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
I'll say this the other guys that were in it, most
people don't know who they are.
If you're not big in the NBA,you probably don't know those
guys.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, they do that, I feel like every year with a
dunk contest.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
They do.
We've not seen the big names ina long time and I will say the
topic did come up again whypeople put LeBron lower on their
list, not just because hewaited until minutes before to
say that he's not going to playthe all-star game, but because
he's never done the dunk contest.
Kobe and Jordan both did itearly in their career.

(11:52):
So you'd kind of do it and getit over with.
But they kind of say, well, itwas right of passage.
You know, vince Carter, he didit, I mean.
Dwight Howard used to do them.
You know smaller names but evenlike an Aaron Gordon won a
couple.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
If I'm the NBA and I'm Adam Silver and LeBron is
like the face of the NBA rightnow, or even when he was the top
dog.
You're going to be in this.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Everybody wants to see you, so he's still the most
famous person in the NBA.
I don't think there's anyquestioning that.
I think so too, Because I dothink in sports he's one of the
most famous people in the world.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Part of that's because of how long he's been
there now.
He spans several generations.
You're 20?
.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
I mean, it's been a long time.
So, yes, he is the most famousperson in the league.
I understand him not being inthe dunk contest at 40.
Now, yeah, I get contest at 40,now I get that.
But if it's me and you waittill I think they said the the

(12:51):
actual number was 90 minutesbefore tip off to say, oh yeah,
by the way, I'm not playing likehe was in an interview and the
guy was like, well, what do youknow?
Here's the differences in thegame.
Here's this, here's that.
What do we expect from you?
Well, you're not, don't getanything for me tonight because
I'm not suiting up.
You know I have, and I'm like,of course you're not, doesn't mj
at 40 played in the all-stargame?

Speaker 2 (13:09):
no, people forget about that yeah, but even if
it's legitimate, he can't playinjury.
He's worried about their season, whatever, I don't care.
Again, I don't agree with it.
But somebody else could havegot that spot.
And if he is the face of thenba and he's looking for the
best interest nba he.
He should want somebody else toget that spot.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
And here's what I'll say.
I'm not forgetting that AnthonyEdwards is literally just the
same thing.
I don't agree with him doing iteither.
This isn't.
Oh, let's hate on LeBron,because I've never been a big
LeBron fan.
I recognize what he's done inhis career.
I will never consider him thegreatest of all time.
I can't.
There's too many things thatjust don't fit.
You know, when you go teamshopping, you go looking for

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every big superstar to play with.
There's just too many otherthings that don't fit, so I
can't put him up there.
But then you start doing thingslike this and it's like all
right.
Even at that point, if you aretruly the biggest thing in the
league, shouldn't you be lookingout for the league's interest
too?
Because look what they've donefor you.
You should be.
To an extent, I understandyou've got to look out for
yourself.
I do get that, but at the sametime he's even talked about I

(14:10):
want to be a partial owner of ateam.
I want to do this, I want to dothat.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Are you going to look out for your team?
That way, everybody goes backto this with Jordan, because it
was a crazy thing.
I remember watching it whenJordan played with the flu.
Oh, yeah, flu game One of themost famous things ever.
And so when I heard this, whatLeBron did and he's like, yeah,
I had an injury and I just kindof kept waiting I thought it'd
be better and I thought I wasgoing to get this one to be
better.
You know, you know at somepoint, but if you had that

(14:38):
thought, this morning.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
go ahead and do it, See if they can make a call.
Yeah, if you had the thoughtthe night before, because the
game's not until that night.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
I mean, you should just.
No, I agree, I think he knew.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
I think he knew the whole time I'm not going to play
, but that's the same thing Ihave.
I have the issue with the wholeload management thing when it's
like, well, we're not going toplay a back-to-back season.
Really, like what, what's thereason for it?

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Like if you were legitimatelyhurt.
Yes, I have no issues with yougetting healthy, because the
average nba career is only whatlike three years, so several
years stay healthy.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
I understand that several years ago, before I even
had kids, I coached youthfootball fifth, sixth graders,
right and I always told thoseand we're talking kids here,
yeah, there's a difference inhurt and injured.
oh, 100 if you% If you're hurtyou can play If you're injured
and it can make things worse orwhatever.
Okay, sit out Like that'scompletely different, and LeBron

(15:34):
, I think, has said a lot beinghurt and maybe that's protecting
himself, protecting his teamthroughout the season.
Whatever it is, I don't carewhat it is, If he is the best
player he should want to be onthe floor every game.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
LeBron's done this a lot over his career Much more
recent, because load managementwasn't really a term until what,
three or four years ago.
Like you just didn't see it.
But I mean, everybody alwayssays well, lebron plays, he
plays, every game.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Most of these seasons he's missed at least 20.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, say no, he doesn't.
So that's like a fourth of theyear.
When you say there's 82 games,you miss 20.
That's that's 25.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
You can't call yourself the goat while you sit
back and watch your team playwithout you.
If you're the best man on thatteam, you should want to be out
there.
You owe it to your team, youowe it to your league.
Go play and win the gamesunless you're actually injured.
I get that 100 and a lot ofpeople are going to say, well,
you can't play injured.
No, there's a difference and Ithink the man whines and cries

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too much.
Anyways, plays no.
Defense takes plays off.
I.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
I can't see him as a go ever well, so I've said this
for a really long time thepeople that argue that lebron is
a good defender is becauseyou're seeing the chase down
blocks, You're seeing thehighlights, because that's what
the game has become.
The game is all abouthighlights now, Whether it's
dunks, three-pointers, you know,dropping somebody breaking
their ankles, whatever it may be.
That's what the game is.
Yeah, so LeBron has a bunch ofchase down block highlights.

(16:59):
Yeah, one, how many of thosewere off of his turnover?
Because he also leads theleague all time in turnovers.
He's got the most.
But two, he's never guardingthe best player on the floor.
You're not putting him on thebest guy saying I need you to be
an on-ball defender and play.
Both Kobe and Jordan did that.

(17:21):
Yeah, so again, this is not mejust saying, well, I don't like
LeBron, so I'm going to hate onhim.
I don't think Kobe's thegreatest of all time in my
opinion, but Kobe did that.
So it's a little bit harder tosay LeBron's even above that.
And then we're wanting tocompare him to Jordan.
But then again, you look at theinterview that they do and

(17:41):
these are modern players thatare playing currently against
LeBron and they still say thegreatest of all time is Jordan.
They don't pick LeBron.
They usually pick Kobe overLeBron as well.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Because they're playing with LeBron.
They know Right who's LeBrongoing to stop.
What star or even decent playerin this league is LeBron going
to play defense on and actuallystop?
There are going to be many.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Zero A star.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
You're saying in the league yeah, he can shut nobody
down.
There's zero Jordan.
Shut down guys, lebron's not anon-ball defender.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
He's just not.
He doesn't have the hands forit, he doesn't have.
He just doesn't have that Inhis repertoire, and I get.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
There's different things that can make you a great
player.
Sure, you may not be the bestshooter, but you're getting
rebounds and playing greatdefense.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Well, the same way that we're going to say Russell
Westbrook was a great player,not a great defender.
But the man is a triple-doublemachine.
He does things that pointguards shouldn't do.
Before you see, when you go fora point guard, how many
double-doubles can they give me?
And they're not looking for bigdouble-doubles, they're just
looking for double-doubles.
So can you give me 10 points,10 assists?

(18:44):
You're successful.
This man is doing it withrebounds also.
I mean, he's a freak.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
And I could overlook LeBron's defense to an extent
and still call him a really goodplayer.
I don't think you can get goeven if you don't have the whole
game.
But if everything else was sogreat I could say, okay, he's
like a defense a little bit, butman, he's, he's a great player
because of this, this and this.
Well, and we I just can't.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
We throw this up there and we're like, well, you
still have a lot of people thatsay, well, maybe he's not the go
, but he's the greatest scorerof all time.
I don't think I even agree withthat.
Just because you have the mostpoints doesn't make you the best
at something, because you havethe highest stat over your
career.
When you look at how many gamesdid you play, what was the
average?
Like there's, there's way moreto it.
So it's hard for me to say,well, you know, he's played 20

(19:32):
years, he's got the most points.
Is it impressive?
Yes it is, but to me that onlygoes to an extent, and again
this just sounds like oh, it'slebron hating.
Listen.
There's a lot in his game thatI love.
Lebron does some reallyimpressive things throughout his
career.
Obviously not as much now,because he's not the same player
he was five, ten years ago, buthe's still an impressive player

(19:54):
, do you?

Speaker 2 (19:54):
think he's still in the conversation 10 years from
now, or is it because he'splaying that everybody it's that
I do think there's a lot ofrecency bias.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
I do think there's a lot of people that are going to
say, well, lebron's the best,but that's all they're seeing,
right now yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
So I wonder, 10 years from now, when they look back,
will they still think?

Speaker 1 (20:12):
oh, he's great.
Are they going to go?
No, wait a minute.
I've made this statement offthe pod before and I think If
the man stays healthy, I don'tsee how we're not talking about
him.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Is he going to pass MJ?

Speaker 1 (20:28):
I don't know.
So a lot of it's going to be.
Does he stay healthy?
How many years does he play?
What does he do as a whole?
Because, again, I've said thisbefore to plenty of people I
consider you great.
Not only do you have the statsto call you great, but you have
the wins, you have the accolades.
You have the stats to call yougreat, but you have the wins,
you have the accolades, you havethe championships, you have a
little bit of everything.
So I don't see him doing thatin San Antonio, just being

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realistic.
So he's got to get somewhereelse you think.
If he plays 15 years, wins threeof them and then breaks all
these records.
He's up for the argument.
No, I?

Speaker 2 (21:03):
get that completely.
But I even think 10 years fromnow, when you look back and go,
okay, who was the best playerfrom LeBron's era?
You might go.
You know there's some prettygood players he played with.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
So I think you're still going to say LeBron though
just because everybody's alwaysgoing to fall back to he's got
the most points ever.
So I think that's where so manypeople, because that record is
going to be there a while.
I don't see that going anywhere.
But I mean Curry's got a ton ofpoints, not close to that,
though, LeBron's over.
He's getting close to 45,000.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Is he that?
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
I mean it's a pretty large leap from a lot of people.
But basically, all that to say,the NBA's not a great place
right now.
Like I said a couple weeks agolast week, whatever it was, the
Luka trade was good for the NBA.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Have you still been watching them?

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Well, they went to the break.
They went to the All-Star break, so it was kind of hard.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
They kind of had what ?
Two or three games and then itwent to the All-Star break.
The worst thing about that isthat kind of got overshadowed
now by the All-Star break.
We saw something like40-something minutes of
basketball in a three-hourbroadcast, like if I'm tuning in
to watch basketball, so whatare they doing all the time?
Give me basketball.
So Kevin Hart, for whateverreason, got a ton of screen time

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.
It's getting to the point where, like I don't like Kevin Hart,
Like you're shoving him down ourthroat, Like I don't like Kevin
Hart, You're shoving him downour throat.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
I don't want to.
Yeah, it's been a lot.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
It's just, I'm over it.
They did a tribute to theinside NBA guys, the TNT guys
that are no longer be on TNT, Iknow, and they're like wait a
sec, they're not dying, they'renot canceled.
They're just going to ESPN,going to a different channel.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
That's all that's happening.
Just check your channel, guys.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
They literally did a 20-minute segment during
halftime in one of the games forthat and Jason Tatum's like
yeah, it's kind of hard whenyou've got to sit for 20 minutes
in between.
Like the games are only like 25minutes as a whole because
they're playing such abbreviatedstuff and you took a 20-minute
game.
You basically Period we're athockey at that point.

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I mean, it's such a mess, do weneed to get on hockey?
You've been seething abouthockey ever since we started
hooking up the equipment tonight.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
I'm actually trying to find the Curry's points.
Oh, there it is.
Did not know he was that low.
Okay, how many is he at?
That can't be right.
Hold on, we're a little bitbehind on our stats tonight.

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Yeah, oh, there he is Okay.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
He's almost at 25,000 .

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Right Well so I know KD just went over the 30,000
mark the other night.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
He's played 500 less games than LeBron?
That's a lot.
That is a lot.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah, mark the other night he's played 500 less games
than lebron.
That's a lot, there's a lot.
Yeah, I agree with that.
I could you guess the top fivepoints in nba history?

Speaker 1 (23:53):
probably not.
I've seen it at some point, butI mean one of them.
I don't think I would have Iknow for a fact.
Lebron won kareem too.
Okay, like there.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
There's no questioning that and you could
probably guess two others thatare in there I mean elijah,
one's pretty high so the othertwo that make sense to me, four
and five, is kobe and jordanwell, yeah, okay number three.
I wouldn't have guessed in amillion years who's three?
The mailman, carl malone.

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Carl malone being that high, Inever would have guessed that
he's got almost 1,500 games.
This is for you.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Will you want to talk about how?
Nj didn't play anybody.
Stockton and Malone was anincredible jazz team.
Stockton is probably a top fiveall-time point guard in the NBA
.
The man is just impressive.
He knew how to play the game.
Anybody that wants to argueabout Karl Malone we're not

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going off of his off-court stuffbecause, yes, he's got some
issues, but Karl Malone on thecourt is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
He's got right at 37,000 points, lebron's only at
41.5.
Right.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
I was getting ready to pull the list up, so I chose
not to look at it because youwere having me.
Yeah, me say that no, no butthen you you get after Jordan at
five.
I didn't realize Dirk was thathigh.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
I didn't either.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Number six Dirk's number six is very impressive.
Obviously Wilt being in the topten does not surprise me.
Um, probably the next mostsurprising in that list is
Carmelo Anthony at 10.
Now the man could score that'sabout all he could do that good
old 2-3 defense from Syracuse.
He wasn't much of a defender inthe NBA, but the man could

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score some points.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
I would agree with that.
You know, like you said, one ofthe arguments for LeBron is
points, points.
Okay, first of all, the gamesare there too.
I mean, he's got way more gamesthan a lot of these guys.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
He leads in turnovers .
He played what five or so moreyears than Jordan did.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Oh, he's got over.
Let's see where's Jordan here.
Sorry, Jordan.
Yeah, he's got like 500 moregames than Jordan played, Right.
But when you talk about, okay,who did Jordan play, well, look
down that list.
If you want to talk aboutpoints scored, a lot of those
guys down that list are guysJordan played against.
Like we said, Carl Malone wassitting at number three.

(26:14):
Right, so you can't say.
You can't say oh well, lebron'sgood because of points, jordan
ain't good because he didn'tplay against, but he played
against guys on the top of thelist of points, so I don't know
it's Jordan.
You know, we've got some younggirls on our basketball team
that actually believe Jordan isthe.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
GOAT too.
Yeah, so we call our defensereal standards.
To help them remember it, wecall it 23.
2-3 zone defense, trying toteach them you know the correct
principles on the move andeverything.
So we called it 23 for most ofthe year and they're like can we
call it MJ?
I was like excuse me, I'm soproud of you guys.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
What did you just say ?
Like I'm like cry, like I'm sohappy.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
And these are third through sixth grade.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
So we're talking what nine to 12?
She had a jersey on tonight.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, North Carolina 23.
She had the Tar Heel 23 shirton.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
I told her I love the jersey.
She just needed a Chicago Bullsone or something.
We don't need North Carolina.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
So I think that's where a lot of people overlook
it, because it's, whether you'rea Tar Heel fan or not, it's
just part of his legacy.
It is Like you look at it it'slike it's just part of it.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
So you don't really think of it.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
The yeah, you just recognize it a little bit
different.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
We was talking earlier and you said we brought
it up the other day top collegeplayers.
It's crazy to think that Jordanwas nowhere in that
conversation.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Well, but it's crazy to think that Jordan wasn't the
number one overall pick thatyear.
I mean, when you really look atit and again, players develop
differently, things happendifferently.
So it's not saying that hewasn't already in line to be
that.
It's just these other teamsthink they have found something
else and they think there's allthe.
It's just when you get to theleague.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
that's your job now you don't have to go to school,
you don't have to make money anyother way, especially back then
they didn't make money.
Well, I mean then they didn'tmake money.
Well, I mean there might havebeen some money exchanged.
Listen, there's been moneymoving hands for a long time.
But at all those levels, youknow, I it's.
I think about these um actorsand musicians and stuff, and you
see them getting really goodshape.
I'm like that's what they do,their travel they're working out

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there, you know.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
So I'm not taking away what they're doing, don't
get me wrong, because it's stillimpressive like the shape that
these guys get in.
But when you don't have to getup and work a nine to five,
uh-huh.
And let's just be honest, mostpeople have nannies and whatever
else, so they're not reallytaking care of the kids they're
not like it, ain't they?
don't have anything else to doso, yeah, you can go, do you can

(28:42):
get the nutrition you can do 10podcasts a day while your
personal chef cooks for you, andyou can lift four times a day.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Like, yeah, it's a little bit easier.
I see that a little bit.
When any of these collegeathletes make it to the league,
Okay, now their job is to get upand you know, as a basketball
player, go put up shots, gotrain, go get stronger, faster
and everything.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
So then, what's Zion's excuse?
Didn't want it, I guess Iexcuse Didn't want it, I guess I
don't know.
I mean, the guy's never been inshape since he got to the
league he could have been.
I mean, he is still a freakathlete, Even at the size that
he is.
The stuff that he can do isimpressive, but it's almost like
well, I made it, I don't careanymore.
It kind of reminds me of like aBen Simmons, just on a
different thought process as faras what he cares about, but

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it's like he doesn't care enoughto really get himself in the
shape that he's like.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
I'm going to go prove that I'm one of the best.
Imagine all of a sudden gettingall this money and this fame
and like they're probably justout doing stuff all the time and
eating whatever they want.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
It's just hard, though, because it's like, even
if I just devote myself forseven years, I'll get 15 in a
career just because I did seventhe right way.
So it's like they're going totake care of me on in a career
just because I did seven theright way.
Yeah, so it's like they're gonnatake care of me on the back end
, just because I'm like allright, let's work my butt off,
because I've already done it mywhole life already, so why not
give myself seven more?
Now I have even lessdistraction.
As for now, I've got more moneydistraction.

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I got more people distractionbut somebody like zion.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Did he have to work his butt off his whole life?
I mean, he's got.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Obviously there's some effort he had to put in,
but yeah, I mean not to theextent of some other people Top
dog in high school went tocollege.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Kind of top dog Well.
But here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
I don't think he went to Duke under Coach K and
didn't have to work.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
I don't like.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Duke.
But I recognize Coach K as oneof the greatest college
basketball coaches of all time.
It's impossible not to whathe's done with different teams
that probably weren't that goodand he still took them big
places.
You know they're one of themost winningest programs in
college basketball history.
They're up there.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Speaking of that, because I agree, coach K, if not
the best, one of the bestcollege coaches, right, he had a
big, long tenure at Duke.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Oh, he had a huge career there.
That helps.
It's a very long career.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Consistency and so on , and I never thought I would do
this, but I had to go look.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Well, the one thing I will say about that.
What I find more impressive isthat he was able to make it that
long at one school.
Because you just don't see thatthat's not hard anymore.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
You have a couple of down years and it's already like
, all right, who we going tonext?
Where somebody like him.
It was like he's going to turnaround.
Just give me a year, sorry, goahead.
No, no you're fine, we talkedabout cow, quite a bit and
you've been saying you know heunderperformed all that sure,
and I got to thinking I was likeman those first five years cow
kentucky was good, it was reallygood.
And so I had to go look and Idid not think I would stick up
for cow in this instance, but Igot to stick up for Cal a little
bit in those first five years.
Okay, the last five washorrible, oh.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
I agree the middle five I don't think anybody's
disagreeing with the last fivewere bad.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
The middle five, you can say what you want, but when
you go look this up.
So you said he had 50 NBAplayers, 50.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
It.
Okay, it was like 36 in thefirst round, correct, which is
even bigger he had three numberones.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Right, 25 of those were in the first five years of
him being at Kentucky, right, sothat was great on five teams.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
But to me.
What that does for me isreaffirm what I'm saying.
I will, 100% without a doubt,say he is the greatest recruiter
in college basketball history.
I don't think anybody canreally argue that he had 25
lottery picks over his tenure.
That's unheard of.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
But you're saying 25 in five years, but do you know
what he did in those first fiveyears, though, as far as the
tournament and everything Didn'twin enough?

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Oh, he didn't win enough, enough, but you said if
he won two you would have haddifference over the 15 years.
Um, maybe not over the 15because, like, when we really
start going back and lookbecause that's one thing we're
looking at a bunch, researchinga bunch of stuff about teams.
Today, the longer your tenure,the I feel like the more you've
got to win.
Like Coach K, he did a lot, hegot five he got a lot of wins.
That's one every ten years.

(32:50):
That's pretty solid.
No, I agree with that, that'spretty solid.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
So here's what Cal did the first five years at
Kentucky Elite eight.
First year, final four.
Second year won thechampionship.
Third year lost in thechampionship game.
The fourth year, final four.
Fifth year yep.
So that's one elite eight, twofinal fours, two championship
games.
One of the championship gamesbut that's a pretty good.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
But you have.
You have a starting five everysingle year.
Theoretically, yes, startingfive every single year.
That got drafted.
Well, they did.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
But what other team can say they had even two but
the, so the, the tournament tome is they had even two but the,
so the tournament to me is sorandom.
That's what I hate about thetournament.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
It's tough.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
And so you don't always get the best team.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Well, so that's.
That's another thing we lookedat tonight.
The tournament it's only been64 teams since 1985.
Yeah, I didn't realize that, soI thought it was longer than
that.
Again, you know we're talking40 years years.
Now we're on the 40th year ofthat.
But that's where we kind ofstarted talking because we've

(33:53):
said that well, do we always seethe best team win?
No, of course not.
The tournaments are so random.
I don't think I'm not going tosay we've never seen the best
team win, because that's abold-faced lie, but I think
there's plenty of years we'veseen the best team win, because
that's a bold-faced lie, but Ithink there's plenty of years
we've seen.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
But the best team have one knowing, knowing the
tournament is that way.
What would you have to seemdifferent in those first five
years to say he's exceeded?

Speaker 1 (34:12):
so I think what really hurts him is how good he
recruited yeah, like because hedid.
He had so many good players.
He should have done more.
So because other coaches don'thave those teams.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
So all three of the number one picks came out of the
first five years, also Correct.
So he had a crazy amount oftalent.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Now again, quite a few of those guys Went to the
league and did nothing, whetherit was injury.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
They've had some good ones.
I'm not doubting that You'reright, that was probably the
first five years.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Booker, sga, these are studs.
But Anthony Davis I think he'sa star.
He's going to get.
In my opinion he gets stats.
He doesn't win games.
That's kind of how I've alwaysfelt about him.
But you also have.
You have Cat, you had Cousins.
Wall just had injuries and kindof just had a weird little
thing.
But at the beginning Wall wasunbelievable.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
You forget, I forget about Patrick.
Patterson was pretty good inthe league.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
But I don't consider that a Cal guy.
He was a senior, cal's firstyear.
Okay, so that to me is like allright, he wasn't really truly a
Cal guy, but he got draftedbecause of the guys that got put
around him.
He did yeah, but he was a but Ithink that's To me, he was kind
of a poor man's Danny Green.

(35:23):
He's going to do a little spotup, play a little bit of D, but
he's not going to do a whole lotof anything else.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
The fact is, that half of the players.
So John Calipari has been inKentucky 15 years, correct.
Half of the players that gotdrafted were in their first five
.
All three number one picks werein their first five, correct.
About half of the lottery picks, I think, came in the first
five years.
So you might easily see thedecline of John Calipari.
He did not keep getting thattalent after the first five

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years.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
No but the issue is even pre-NIL, like those last
few years before we reallystarted seeing a true NIL.
What we had seen in collegebasketball is talent spread.
What we had seen in collegebasketball is talent spread Like
, all of a sudden, these youknow what we would call
mid-majors you know not really aterm anymore.

(36:15):
They were having legit dudesplaying Like I mean, you look at
a guy like John Morant, like hecame from nothing.
Yeah, he did.
Dame came from nowhere.
Like he did, dame came fromnowhere.
Like.
I just think we were startingto see the talent spread a
little bit more.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Something happened, so it got a little bit different
at that point, you know, Ithink Cal was the first one to
get on the one and done, or thefirst one to do it the best, I
think.
And then Coach K and some otherguys started doing it.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, I don't know if he was the first one, but I
Effectively yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Now again, effectively, should he have won
more championships.
If he wins that otherchampionship back-to-back, I
think it's completely different.
You might look at his whole 15years different.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
I think it helped.
So, like I said, basically Caldid it himself.
He hurt himself by having somany good guys and not getting
that other one.
So that's why I sayunderperforms.
I'm not saying that as a career.
We look back and just say, oh,his career sucked, like
obviously not.
I mean, he still did a lot ofgood things.

(37:10):
But when you have that manygood players, it's hard for me
to say, well, these other guysdidn't do it.
But none of those teamsremotely came close to what you
did draft-wise.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
He's somewhat said it in person in interviews and
stuff.
He's somewhat said it In personIn interviews and stuff.
I think If you asked him whythose first five years Was a
success, he would say Because hegot 25 players To the league.
Not because he won thechampionship, that would be
included.
But I think to him Success wasGetting those guys and putting
them in the league and as a fanit's fun, but you're not Winning

(37:42):
a championship.
I mean we did with one.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
I guess I think that partly is because I think cal
kind of in my opinion I don'tknow that he's ever said this or
anybody really talks aboutnecessarily I don't think really
cal cares about his coaching.
I think he wants to be lookedat.
As you are not going to outrecruit me, I do over over the
career.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Like obviously it's not been as good lately, but the
nil changed everything hasalways been a showman, a little
bit, sure, but I think deep downhe's a great person.
I really do the stuff he's done.
You know, there's floodinggoing on in kentucky right now,
kind of like what we've seenhere, right, and he's donating
money there and he's not thereanymore.
Yeah, I mean, I I think hewants to see these young kids
succeed and he's more concernedwith that than he is the school,

(38:23):
and that could be good or bad.
How?

Speaker 1 (38:26):
I say it depends on which side you're looking at it
from yeah, if I'm the school andI he's my coach.
I want him to win mechampionships right, but yeah,
that's kind of jaded by who you,who you look at right.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
So you know, I think it's heavy.
Look at now the last five.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
He failed miserably well, but I think you, like I
said, when you start looking atNIL, that changed everything and
that's only been the last few.
But like we were saying pre-podtonight, we were saying you
will never see a platoon systemlike Kentucky had that one year.
No, they were bringing five in,five out nonstop.

(38:59):
You can't afford to pay them.
I don't think you can afford topay five.
I don't know that you can trulypay.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Three the numbers that they're going to ask, not
of that talent level, but youcan.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
The only way I think we get remotely close to that I
was going to say is if we havesome type of caps or we have
contracts and they get limitedto a certain amount or whatever
that looks like.
I think it's the only way youcould remotely get close to
having three or four guys.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
But even with I don't know how much you can cap a guy
doing commercials and stufflike that.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
So I still don't want to go play the outside stuff, I
think is going to be different.
I think it's going to be theamount that these school
collectives can pay, but that'sthe thing even if they have the
money to pay me to go there.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
But there's two or three other guys there that
might steal my endorsements.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
I don endorsements, true, I don't want to go there
anyways, no, I mean.
So I think even that's gonnasplit them up, but it's made
this year exciting.
This year's been a mess, um.
So before we kind of get intothis year, we we kind of had
another little topic we kind ofjust briefly mentioned.
We did the.
The tournament's only been 64teams since 85, so we got to
talk in kentucky's won eighttotal.
Is that that right?
Eight, yeah, okay.
So when we really go back andlook, nine coming soon, we were
wondering Not this year, I don'tknow That'd be awesome, but I

(40:14):
don't know about that.
We got back to looking and itwas almost like trying to take
some of the recency bias out,because I think guys are way
more athletic now than they'veever been, both college and NBA,
even in high school.
High school was way moreathletic than it was even when I
was in school.
The game has changed so much,well, they're demanding so much
more, exactly Well, but thesekids start playing earlier too.

(40:34):
I think they were playing at ahigher level earlier in their
career.
So we went back and looked anda couple kentucky championships
were back in the 50s well,ucla's 10 were correct in that
area.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Well, they were a little bit after that, I guess.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
But so their their last one before that one, the
90s, their their 75 is the firstyear that the tournament jumped
up to 32 teams.
1975 is the first year so thetournament jumped up to 32 teams
.
1975 was the first year.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
So they'd been playing 16 teams in the
tournament From 1951 through1974, the NCAA tournament was 16
teams.
See, that is so hard for me.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Does that, in your opinion, take away some of the
legacy or importance of thosechampionships through that era?
It does to me, and I'll say itEven as a Kentucky fan do you
kind of like well, I don't knowif I really count those.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
They won the championship.
But what was the championship?

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Okay, ucla won 10 of 12.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah, 10 of 12.
With 16 teams.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Through the 60s and 70s.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
So it makes me wonder , like who were they playing?
And we looked it up they hadsome close games.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
So they did it wasn't .
It wasn't all like 30 pointyeah, they were low outs against
you know d3 teams.
They were playing big schoolsand it was tight games.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
It was, but it just feels weird to me.
I know older guys are gonna say, yeah, it was good, it was the
same thing, you know I don'tknow the hit or miss, though, on
that it's tough.
You know, 30 years from nowthey may look back at this era
and go who these guys play.
What's going on here?

Speaker 1 (42:10):
you know.
So that's the thing.
1949 excuse me, 48 and 49kentucky won the championship.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
So we're gonna say that's a wash, it's pretty I
don't even know 16 teams who'dthey play against like I?
Yeah, I, I'm not gonna say it.
It didn't count because that'swhat they had.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
The first one they beat Baylor.
The second one they beatOklahoma A&M.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah, I don't now, that could have been.
Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
I got to click on them because I don't know who
the heck that is.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
That might have been an amazing team back in the day.
I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Okay, oklahoma State.
Now that's what they turned itto, because I'm like I don't
know, you know, it's like whenyou look at other sports.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Was it, I don't know, years and years ago, when you
know professional football?
When it was separated.
Do we count Super Bowls fromback then?
Do we count things from beforethese leagues were developed?

Speaker 1 (42:59):
It's almost harder when you start getting into the
pros, though, because we'reweeding out some of the not
really good players, because Imean, you think about like very
few people make it from highschool to college, even fewer
make it from college to pros,like it's the best of the best
guys.
So it feels a little bitdifferent when we start talking

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about pros, because it's likeall right, we've weeded out a
lot of that junk.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
It does I just.
You know, you've got to findthat cutoff at some point,
because schools were segregatedat one point, correct, and I
don't know exactly.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Well, I mean you had NFL and AFL merger.
You had NBA and ABA merger.
You had a lot of differentthings that had to happen.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
So college is a little different.
Are you going to count achampionship from 1901?
Like I don't know.
When do you count them?

Speaker 1 (43:46):
So to me I would say it depends on what the school is
.
If you're like, hey, my onlychampionship ever was 1901, you
better believe I'm counting thatone.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
But as an outsider just looking at who's the best
and the best program, like Ican't.
Ucla has 11 championships, morethan anybody.
Kentucky's, I think, number twoat eight, but ten of them in 12
years.
They've only won one since thenin a 50-year span.
Like I can't look at them as atop program, even though they
have 11 championships and themost of anybody.

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So I don't know where you findthe line, or?

Speaker 1 (44:18):
maybe someone can help us with that.
That is like being a Tar Heelfan.
We have six.
Okay by what you just said.
We have six.
Okay by what you just said.
We would throw out 1957.
Okay, so down to five.
They have one in 1982.
32 teams just before theyswitched to 64.
I don't know that I have asmuch of an issue with 32 because

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that's still a gruelingtournament.
That's tougher.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
No, and I feel like by the 80s you've got talent
spread out to different schools.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
So we're giving ourselves five, then is what
you're saying?

Speaker 2 (44:51):
I think so.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Because then it goes 82, 93, 2005, 2009, 2017.
Like, obviously, the moremodern ones, it's a grueling
task to win those.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
So the biggest span was from what did you say?
93 to 2005?
.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Yes, yeah Well, 57 to 82 was a big span.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
So what do you see?
What is more successful to you?
Because we've talked about thiswith the one and done era,
especially in that era with Cal,when you are constantly in the
Elite Eight and Final Four, likeevery year, but don't win the
championship.
Or would you rather see win achampionship but never get past
Elite Eight?
Which one is most impressive?
C win a championship but neverget past Elite 8?

Speaker 1 (45:27):
It's hard because, as a Tar Heel fan, we saw it at
one point.
You win in 2005, and then theywere winning with old teams.
They were winning with thejuniors and seniors.
They make it in 2009, win itagain In 2016,.
They make it and get beat on alast second shot.

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Could have won back to backthen.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
So it's it's tough to look at that, but which one's
more impressive final four everyyear or so.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
So to me I I'm four years championship if you, if
you win a championship every sixyears, that's super even if you
don't get past the lead eightall the other years I, I think
it depends on like what, whatelse did you do?
Yeah, like it's kind of likeokay, it's cool to make a bunch
of final fours, but if you're ohand 20 in the final four, what

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the heck does that.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
I agree, but if you can say I was the top four team
for five years in a row, that'spretty impressive, even though
you never won a championship butthat to me is just like we're
content with not being just goodenough, Like we're okay with
being kind of up here, but we'renot okay with actually winning.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
That's why I'm just like all right, at some point
you've got to win one for it tofeel impressive.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
No, I agree with that .

Speaker 1 (46:47):
If you say, in 10 years you've done three or four
final fours in a championship?
All right, I can, I can get.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
I don't like the teams that win a championship
and they do nothing for fiveyears, win a championship and
they do nothing for five years,like it feels like you're
putting it together once everyfive years well.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
so I think it depends on the type of team, because if
you were like, all right, wejust graduated nine, that's a
whole new team.
You've got so many.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
I don't think we have to worry about that anymore.
No, that's going to be veryrare anymore.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
But if you graduate, eight of your ten returning well
, two of those guys may not evenreally have gotten good minutes
.
So then are you bringing intransfers, are you bringing in
all freshmen?
Then you're like all right, nowwe've got to worry about a guy
developing, we've got to worryabout a guy staying healthy.
It's way more than just well,they did it this time and now we

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have to wait four years again.
You kind of have to wait untilthe guys have really developed
In the NBA it's never havereally developed Like in the NBA
.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
It's never, well, that's what I think now In the
NBA.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
It's going to change.
It's like alright, if you'renot doing it year after year,
it's not really impressive.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Now you can just bring in a whole other team and
potentially win a championship.
Now it's very different.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
It's almost harder to say if you're one of the big
teams and you're not competing,money's there Like the guys just
have to go find it Like noreason.
Again.
I'll say it again no reason.
Carolina's as bad as they are.
Oh, there is a reason.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
They are sponsored by Michael Jordan.
No, there is a reason.
The players just will not getit together.
Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
I'm going to mute your mic.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Those players man, they just don't want it.
Gosh, it's hard.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Coach is their leader , though, so maybe they're
following lead Coach.
I mean, I feel like he's justgot to be able to do more, and
it's not even like saying, well,these guys don't look like they
care.
If you're not pushing them inpractice and you're not really
working on the shortcomings thatyou have, it's easy to not care
because you're saying, well,coach doesn't care that we're

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not good at this.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Well, listen, I told you, I think he's great, I think
if Carolina lets him go youlove having him there because
you don't have to worry abouthim.
If, if, all the years that Ilove those were great battles
were great battles, it would notbe that.
I love seeing north carolinadown.
You know it's.
It's one of those things, butthe only thing to be better, I
think north carolina shouldprobably fire him.
He hasn't got it done, but Ithink you think duke should hire

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?

Speaker 1 (49:12):
yeah, shire is just not cutting it either I was
gonna say the only thing for youbetter than carolina doing bad
is if duke is up there too.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
I like to see those, and I would much again.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
I would rather duke be bad than Kentucky be bad.
Yeah, I mean, obviously we havethe common enemy.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
I think is there.
You think every fan base feelsthat way.
Like, take your big schoolsKansas, north Carolina, kentucky
who else are we putting inthere?

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Duke's in there.
Maybe, UConn.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
No, I'm saying like do we all feel the same way
about Duke Like Duke's our last.
No, I don't think so.
I don't think Kansas feels thatway.
Kansas doesn't really have anyhistory with Duke, not like that
.
So you think they would theyfeel worse towards North
Carolina than they do.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Duke probably okay.
Well, like one one, like Roy,was kind of taken from Kansas
true, that's a good point nowdon't get me wrong, they can't
really be mad.
They got Bill Self, who's doneincredible over his career, yeah
, um, but yeah, like I thinkthere's been more battles there
than there has been.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
You know, kansas do see, that's as much.
I don't like kansas and theyhave their struggle, especially
this year oh they, that's arough, that's a sign of a pretty
good program to roy williamsleave and you bring a bill self
and like just keep going yeah,we never slow down.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
I mean they, yeah, what like 10 straight Big 12
championships?
Yep, I mean it was a decentconference at the time too.
It wasn't just an awful.
You know, they were the onlygood team You've seen.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
you know Duke had Coach K for some years, so now
you have Shire.
You don't know exactly how it'sgoing to go.
You see, unc.
What they're doing afterWilliams, right, if you look
back at their history it's likeI think what's the saying Great
good drunk, and then they gogreat good drunk.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Gotcha.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Over and over Gotcha.
So, they kind of keep havingthis little span.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
So I think they're on .
I mean, I feel like we're inthe Brad Doherty years of
Carolina it feels like thatright now.
It's one of those justembarrassing Heck.
The talent Dohery had wasincredible.
He had so many good guys.
It was like how do you not winwith?

Speaker 2 (51:06):
that team, you still got to push them, especially the
college kids.
Did he have better?

Speaker 1 (51:12):
talent than Cal did in that time period.
Heck, no, oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
No, gosh, no, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Listen, there are never going to be teams that
were that loaded.
I just don't think you're goingto see it, cal's teams were
extremely athletic.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
That's what he wanted Positionless basketball.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Yeah, but you look at , I mean when you're saying
you've got cousins and waltz,but he never had shooters.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
No, and he wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
No, he didn't really care.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
When he had them, he didn't play them.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
He wasn't a big guy that wanted to live around the
arc, he wanted to get to thebasket.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
So we mentioned this too and it's kind of on the spot
.
We've thought a little bit bestcollege basketball players in
time and I know you've mentioned.
You know you got to look atguys stats, so it's probably
guys that's been there longerthan just a one and done yeah,
so and kind of the reason I saythat it's just like you need a
bigger sample size I'm I'm goingchristian latner, by the way,

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oh dear god you are not sayinglatner because he's taking shots
of you listen, he is the reasonkentucky hates duke.
Yeah, like he is the sole one ofthe main reasons, if it wasn't
for that you wouldn't hate duke.
Well, the other reason I hatenorth carolina is uh, who was it
?
Luke may?
Yeah, a little different youknow, he didn't have much of a
career after that, so verydifferent no, but I said that

(52:26):
because uh will said that theother day and in it yeah, he
basically made the statement ofyou can't argue with how he
started this.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
You can't argue that christian latner is not the best
college basketball player ofall time.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Well, I even said in the moment I could see his point
college basketball, but he wasa good cause.
But that was even like I was,or how old was I then?
Like very young.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
But here's the thing he made this statement.
It was like 11 30 at nightwe're out working at the range
and I'm like I don't have thecapacity around to think about
that.
So I texted the next morningand told him to go seek help,
institutionalize or whatever youneed, buddy, like I'll drive
you to your appointments becausethere is no shot.
I would consider le latner thegreatest college basketball

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player of all time, but he's aduke fan he is.
But so that's the thing.
Though every player that hepicks, he says bobby hurley's
greatest point guard of all time, latner's the best player of
all time so let's do that, andlike he just, he just goes to
look at north carolina.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Who's the best player ever played north carolina?
I mean, it's in a tower.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Because we're younger , I would have to go look at
some stuff I don't know off thetop of my head, because I mean
honestly, like when you look atfull careers, jordan wouldn't be
the best college player.
Jordan wouldn't be there.
But you had guys way back whenyou know.
Phil Ford was unbelievable.
Yeah, you've got TylerHansborough, for your career
holds so many records Like hedid a lot in his time at

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Carolina.
Yeah, do I think he's overallone of the best players to ever
play college basketball?
No, but I do think, like as aTar Heel, statistically wise,
like yeah, man, it's up there.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Well, the 90s guys and I was so young then you know
right, and I didn't actuallylive in kentucky through most of
that.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
But a lot of them talk of rex chapman and correct
some of those guys you know sogood old rex chapman, phoenix
sons, yeah so you know, thosewere good players um so it's
hard because everybodyautomatically flocks to like,
well, the best guys are since2010.
I'm like, all right, the gameis different in 2010 than it was
in 1980.
Yeah, yeah, like it's just,it's not the same.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
The flip side of that if you look at most
championships and we talkedabout this you've got to go to
UCLA in that span we just talkedabout Correct.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Those guys have three .
So it's hard to argue Like somany people will come out and
say Lou, alcindor KareemAbdul-Jabbar, but I almost feel
like that gets skewed just alittle bit, because then he went
to the pros and did the exactsame thing, like he won
championships For the longesttime he was leading in points,

(54:53):
like he had both a college andpro career, which you don't see
a lot of those guys do.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
But, but that might be a sign of a great college
player.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
It's hard, though then I look at somebody like
Pistol Pete.
The man averaged over 40 with adouble-double.
I'm not saying he just scored,he did a little bit of
everything.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
I wonder if we could find a list on this.
Oh yeah, there's plenty of top10 lists.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
There's plenty of these, because.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
I would bet, especially because of the
one-and-done era that we've wentthrough so much, and now the uh
transfer portal and all that,most of these names are probably
older than us, so a lot ofthese guys I might not even know
or know much about and I'm justlooking at stats and then
that's hard to stats can bemisleading.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Yeah, it's hard to go off of stats.
Only Don't get me wrong, I'mnot not questioning that.
Um, yeah, it's hard to go offof stats.
Only Don't get me wrong, I'mnot questioning that.
But then, like I think a lot ofthese lists you're going to see
, like Larry Bird, larry Birdtook an Indiana State team to
the national championship, likethat's unheard of.
You're not going to seesomething like that anymore.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
That's why I don't think it's all about stats
either.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
No, so I don't think it's stats only.
I don't think it's stats only.
I don't.
We've talked about how dominant.
I just think it's got to bepart of it.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
We've talked about how dominant Shaq is in the NBA
Right.
I think he was that way incollege, wasn't he?
Or very similar.
Now again, I don't know howlong he stayed.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Yeah, I was going to say he didn't do four.
Yeah, no he didn't stay four, Idon't think so it's kind of
hard to.
He was still behind people.
Now that's kind of their ownfault.
They should have.
So when you really look atthese lists, you're looking at
60s, 70s that's what I figured60s, 50s 50s.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
It's a different era then, so it's hard for me to
look at it.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
I could almost put this one at my top 77 to 79.
Magic Johnson at Michigan StateI could see that one, and right
behind him it shows 76 to 79,.
Larry Bird I could argue foreither one of those.
Who's the most modern one onthese lists?
Oh, let's see, I've got toscroll a while no so.

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I get to 10.
It's Christian Laettner 88 to92.
Okay, but then other than, him,there's nobody close, I take
that back.
Tim Duncan, wake Forest 93 to97.
Tim Duncan.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Okay, that's the most modern one on the list.
Nobody from the 2000s on thelist of best college football
players.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Maybe that's too recent for people, or maybe it's
the one and done era that wecouldn't.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
You know.
They've got anthony davis at 27.
He's the one that comes to mymind, but I'm a kentucky fan, so
there's some bias there.
Two but that's the one and doneso he's not gonna have.
He played 11 to 12 but that'sthe thing.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Like he didn't want to change, it's hard for, but
it's hard for me to argue.
He's one of the greatest falltime.
He averaged 14 points, 10rebounds that.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
That's why I don't like stats, because he was not.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
I've not put stats solely in it.
It's just I think when you say,alright, this guy versus this
guy, at some point stats do haveto come into it to an extent.
Not solely but to an extent.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
For everything else he did, he was probably the best
player on that team.
I mean, he was, he went numberone.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
But he also had michael kidd gilchrist on that
team.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
He had a lot of good players with him.
That kid was a bum, well he wasa good college player.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
He was a good defender.
No, he couldn't shoot to savehis life.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
He could dunk.
I remember that's.
We went and watched theexpedition game.
He dunked on the free throwline, which is every college
basketball player like that'ssuch a misleading.
No, I mean no Flashy dunks, Iguess I'd say so that's the
thing you also have on this list.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Kevin Durant one year , but he averaged 26-11.
Now, different team.
They didn't do a whole lot.
It was at Texas.
There was nobody else with him.
So, yes, anthony Davis did itwith more people, but at some
point, like stats, do have tocome into it to an extent.
Again, I'm not putting AnthonyDavis in my top five of all time
, but I don't know who you putthere.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Not in college, there's no stats.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
College basketball is just such a it's a hard thing
to really pick one because atmost you have a four-year
snapshot.
At most Most of them do nothave that no exactly shot.
At most most of them do nothave that no exactly most do not
.
So it's very, very hard.
But I mean, you look at youknow there are people that say,
well, mj is one of the greatestof all time in college only

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because what he did after like Idon't think it's it's really
got to me.
It has nothing to do with whatyou did after.
It's about what did you dowhile you were there there's a
lot of.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
That's the only thing that I really care about
college and you do while youwere there.
There's a lot of kids that cameout of college and really well,
you just mentioned.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
SGA, oh right.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
He was not the best college.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
He was not, that he wasn't the starter for half the
season.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Now that could be a Cal problem too.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
No, but even then he was not.
We did not see what he's doingin the pros.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
So I think there's a lot of players like that.
So that's a very toughconversation because it does go
to older guys that I don'treally know that much about or
didn't really watch it does.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
And it's hard to like when we start talking 50s and
60s like that.
The game then was not the same,like it was such a different
game.
I'm not saying that there wasnobody good, it's just you can't
translate.
Could those guys play today?
I think it's an automatic.
No Like, guys from the 40s and50s, athletically, are just not

(01:00:16):
playing with the guys today.
In the 80s we started to reallysee the athleticism jump up, so
it's a little different then.
Well, everybody now.
I guess late 70s, into 80sreally yeah but yeah, I mean
that's kind of been ourbasketball kick for quite a
while.
Yeah, let's go back to modernbecause we're getting really
close to the end of collegeseason now.

(01:00:38):
We've got what two, three weeksleft I think two for a lot of
these teams, looking at likefour games maybe left for a lot
of these guys, so we're coming.
Four games maybe left for a lotof these guys, so we're coming
down to.
I really have no excitement forthe ACC tournament because it's
Duke and who they're going toplay.
What?

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
did you tell me earlier, 14 SEC teams are
projected to be in the lastprojection I saw for the SEC.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
They're projecting 14 of the 16 teams to be in the
tournament.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
That is crazy, that's nuts, because I can go back and
remember some acc years wherewe're like, oh, they're gonna
get seven and we're like that'scrazy, that was a big deal and
they'd only get five andeverybody's mad and it's like
we're talking 14, but I reallyam curious to see them play
other teams and see if they'reas good as they are yeah, so
that's a statement I madeearlier we were talking.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
It's kind of starting to remind me of the sec
football this year.
Everybody's like well they're,they're just.
Every team is better thaneverybody else.
I don't think the middle is asgood as as we are kind of
throwing out there it feels alot like football, but I think
basketball might be legit thetop six and I don't know that I

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legit the top six.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
I don't know that I can even say top six, I don't
know Top four, maybe they'regood.
I made a statement earlier andI still believe it.
It's possible it'll be harderto win the SEC tournament than
to get to the Final Four in theNCAA tournament, because you're
going to have to play some teams, but the only reason is because
you have more film on theseteams.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
You've played them already.
You know their ups and downs,you know what they do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
So, you think that makes it easier to win the SEC
tournament because they have thefilm.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
No I think every team it's harder in terms to win
your conference tournament thanit is your NCAA.
Purely on the basis of you'vealready played them, you know
what they like to do.
You're not getting me anysurprises, yeah, but I was
telling you, but what I'll saydifferent.
The NCAA tournament is alwaysgoing to be harder to me,
regardless of who you play, theamount of travel.

(01:02:35):
There's no such thing as a homegame.
You're only going to getlimited.
Like you may say, hey, we'vegot a lot of fans here, but half
those people are not there.
For you, like, if you talkabout first and second round,
you buy tickets.
You go sit there all day.
You may watch what four or fivegames that day.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
And you may not give a.
You may not even know who someof these teams are.
I don't like the arenas thatthey play in these games.
I think they're very weird.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
It's all about money.
The depth perception and allthis stuff.
It's all about money as manypeople as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
But, like I was looking at this, so the
projections right now.
So for Auburn to win the SECtournament, okay, one thing,
just one team.
They've got to go throughAlabama, who I think is a pretty
good team.
Okay.
For them to go to the FinalFour.
The best team they'll play isIowa State.
Maybe the projections right nowthat could change a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
But that's the thing is st john's, utah, state like
they're playing teams in secbetter than any of them, maybe,
but st john's has been good allyear, yeah, but I would say it's
been good all year.
But we're gonna say well, lookwho they're playing, but look,
look, what happened to footballoh, I saw the exact same thing.
I want to see it it's hard forme to say well, the, the
tournament, their conferencetournaments, can be harder in

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that aspect.
I don't think so.
I think the part of it is youare going to get way more
learning about a team playingthem than you are watching film,
like coaching, even at the highschool level a few years ago
with Paul it was all about hey,we're going to watch a lot of
film, we're going to know whatthese guys do.
We want to know their habits.
We want to know what kind ofthings their habits.

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We don't know what, what kind ofthings they like to do in
certain situations like the, thefilm you can get a lot off of,
but it's not the same as beingon the court with them yeah,
because you well, they've allplayed.
Your players know it not justthe coaches trying to translate
it and I think.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
I do think if you lost a team, there's some chip
on your shoulder, revenge factorwhen you get.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
you're gonna learn more in a loss than you are in a
win.
Yeah, exactly, we've all saidthat in every sport.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
But Florida gets a double bye.
They only have to play threegames in the SEC tournament,
correct?

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Currently, it's not over yet.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
They're going to get the double bye, probably, but
right now they'd have to beatTennessee, alabama and Auburn in
a row in the NCAA tournament toget to the Final Four.
But you don't know that, not ofthat caliber, but you don't
know that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
That's the thing.
But what we're saying is, whenyou only play these guys in the
conference like who has Floridaplayed out of conference this
year, but they're going to playa 16th seed, like a Norfolk
State or somebody, 16th seed,I'm throwing that out.
That doesn't count.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
First round.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
I'm not saying that so that's what I'm saying is
like everybody's like well, ifyou're number one, you don't
play good teams, then why did aone lose to a 16th?
Why we had it?

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
multiple times.
I'm not saying so that that'swhere I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
It's hard for you to say, well, they're going to play
better talent, maybe justbecause there's more notoriety
there, but we don't know thatthese teams aren't just as good,
if not better.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
No, I'm 100% with you on that, because it happens all
the time and a great team comesout and has a clunker and a 16
beats a one, and you know we'veseen it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
I mean, I'll just be honest with you.
Florida's played nobody out ofconference, nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
You know.
Just saying you're right, wedon't know them.
But based on what we think, weknow right now, I think the SEC
tournament would be harder.
Now, when we get down to it, wemight see different.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
And I'm really curious.
It's just hard when yoursnapshot is only against your
own conference, like if we had abunch of non-conference games
and they went out and beat Duke.
And they went out and beat, Iwould say, kansas on normal
years, but not really this year,well, not really this year,
well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Kentucky beat Duke.
That was early.
Did Auburn lose to Duke?
They did.
That's what I thought, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Florida non-conference did not play a
single-ranked team.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Now Florida is getting based on playing Alabama
.
Carolina was awful.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
They beat Carolina by six.
Let's just be honest Carolinawas awful this year.
We cannot compete with theirsize and we almost pulled that
out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
It's going to be the same thing as, like you said,
the football bracket that we had.
We're going to do the samething in the NCAA tournament.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
And I'm curious to see how they fare in the
tournament.
We'll look at Auburn.
Auburn this season.
They beat Houston early in theyear by five.
They beat Iowa State by two.
Yeah, Okay, so you're alreadysaying we don't think they're as
good, but they played prettydang good.
Lost to Duke.
They beat Carolina.
Carolina was ranked at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Obviously, that means nothing at this point, let's be
honest.
So you're saying they shouldn'thave been ranked?

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Carolina was very gracious on the ranking they got
early in the season.
I thought we were ranked wayhigher than we should have been.
We were top ten there for a bit.
It's like no, no, we was never,we're gonna.
We'll fix that for you.
Um, you know now auburn'splayed better teams.
I will say that having houstoniowa state duke was a six point

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game.
Well, that's what I think purdue, I think florida they've got a
little more sample size for meto say, okay, maybe they're
better now florida and some ofthose teams are getting based on
playing all over and how theydo.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
But I'm with you.
So what we missed in thefootball tournament was we could
only take 12.
Even though 12 is expanded andit's way better than what we
ever had, we're going to get totake all of these SEC schools
and see what they do, where weonly got to take three in
football.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Right, well, I mean, it's way easier when you have 64
.
Exactly, Again, it blows mymind.
You know where I'm going withthis.
If you get seeded as a 10, whythe heck do you have a play-in
game?
I don't get that Like we havethere for a while.
It was not 64.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
It's actually 68.
They get in.
So what is that?

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
saying it was the 16s that had play-ins and I'm like,
okay, I get the 16s.
I don't really care.
Why do you have a play-in ifyou're not?

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
the bottom four, so a 10 seed having a play-in.
So if you're a 10 seed, likeyou said, because there's four
of each, you're saying there's24 teams.
Worse than you Theoretically,and if you lose this one game
you fall 24 spots and just notin the tournament at all.
Right, that seems crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
I don't get it, so I'm trying to get it pulled up
and see what they've got here asfar as how they do it.
I haven't seen this show, soit's 11 through 14.
There are teams 11 through 14that have to do a play-in.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
That makes no sense.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
So the 16s that are just in and you have to do a
play-in?
That makes no sense.
So the six teams that are justin and you've got to do a
play-in yeah, and I'm like well,what's the point of that?
You've got to prove yourself.
Yeah, they're like well, it'sat-large bids and Like, if
you're good enough to get in,because here's the thing, 90% of
the teams well, really, 99,whatever the percentage actually

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comes out to of the SEC isgetting an at-large bid.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Only one team can get an automatic If I had already
told you something.
I hate, I would just tell you Ihate that that's true, but it
sounds like you hate it too.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
That just doesn't make any sense to me.
I don't understand the logicbehind having teams are ranked
lower than you but you stillhave to do a play-in.
Because there isn't logic,because, as an 11, you can
absolutely go upset somebody.
I want to know who.
But now you've had to play twogames just to get through round
of 64.
Yeah, what does that do for?

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
that team?
Yeah, I'd say no if I'm a.
You want me to play in for the11?
No, just go put me at 15.
I'm okay there, just go put mein.
I don't need to play in, right?
It makes no sense and it'sagain it's a money grab.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
We get one extra day of these games, two extra days.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Where do they do it it?

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
talks about going more.
I don't want more.
It's big, 64 is a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
I don't know that it's going to make a difference
in the outcome we're going toget a couple more games, what
are we going to have?

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
1 versus 20?
What sense does that make?
What are they saying?

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
It ain't a big difference 72 or something.
Right now they're talking.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Oh, okay, so another round of play-in games.
I.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Yes, I don't know You're eight.
We're going to play in for thefive seed this time.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
So if you've made it this far with us, please let us
know what your opinion is onthis.
If you're into collegebasketball whatsoever which I
think, it's a little bit easierto be into college basketball
than college football for a lotof people just because you do
get so many more teams in thereis yeah, so what's your opinion?
Should we have play-in gamesfor anybody above a 16 seed?

(01:10:49):
I firmly believe no.
I think it's stupid.
I don't like the idea of addinggoing to 72, because it's just
more play-in games I'd love toargue with you on something, but
I can't argue on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
My logic is sound.
I wouldn't go that far, uh, ohokay, 76, I think, is kind of
what they're throwing out thereso again, that's just enough to
have more play-ins, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
So to me it's like all right, we're not seeing
enough one-seeds win, let's tireout everybody below them.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
So here's what we should do.
We should get like eight numberone-seeds and make them
play-ins and then, if you don'twin, you're out.
Sorry, you didn't even make itaround 64 as a one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
So top eight here you go throw you in into the
furnace here we go make aboutthe same sense wasn't it.
Yeah, I mean at this point, likewhat?
Why do we even have atournament if we're doing that?
Like I just don't, it doesn'tmake sense to me.
Yeah, I don't get speaking oftournaments and brackets and
everything.
Good news on college footballwe are already seeing the big

(01:11:46):
four conferences coming together.
So they have a big meeting inDallas next week to discuss some
possible changes.
You know whatnot?
They're already on the phonewith each other saying guys,
we've got to change some things,can't do this, no more.
I don't know if they listenedto you and me jabber about it
forever because there's muchbetter ways to do it.
I mean tournament-style thingshave been around since before

(01:12:10):
the 50s, obviously in basketball.
So, like it's been done, evenwith small amounts of teams, we
should be able to rank theseteams better.
We should Going back lookingand not even talking about what
happened in the games Clemsonbeing in, possibly SMU being in
and Arizona State being in,boise State being in those four

(01:12:31):
teams of the 12, I have no needfor them to be there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Some of the arguments would say well, who would you
put in?
Well, alabama, I think, wouldhave done better than some of
those.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
And I'm not just going to sit here and say, oh,
let's just automatically throwSEC.
I'd need to sit here and say,oh, let's just automatically
throw.
Sec.
I need to go back and look atsome of it.
Oh, I wouldn't either.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
But it's just like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
I'll even say, leave Indiana in Like leave Indiana,
oh that should be the first onethey had.
What two losses all year.
They played their first round,decent.
We have to.
I'll even leave that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
We have to fix this.
This was a different year, youknow, buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
But this was a different year.
We saw many more teams withmore losses.
This year, only one undefeatedgoing into the actual playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Typically, you know, when we had four in the playoff,
you may see two to threeundefeated Maybe four, the
argument for everybody and I'mgoing to play devil's advocate
here if you're going to taketeams out, you've got to say who
would you put in?
Sure, and that's going to beeverybody's argument.
And there's a couple teams Icould think I would rather have
seen in than some of those teams.
But my biggest argument was thebye they gave them.

(01:13:34):
Correct, like, don't give thembyes.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Just because you won a conference championship
doesn't mean you deserve it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
No your top four teams get the by regardless of
where you fall.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
I agree with that.
I do agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Or I could go back and forth on should they be
there or not, whatever, but theydon't get a buy.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Well, so I have the issue like Clemson barely
squeaks in to the ACC, barelyyeah, then they win it.
So then it's like well, they'reguaranteed in.
Well, did they really deserveto be in?

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Like, when you look, at it across the board.
Did they deserve to be in theACC championship game?
When you compare who the teamsall played each other, that's a
whole other thing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
So that's a whole other argument I have when we
really start to talk about likeespecially I even say the SEC
you've got 16 teams in oneconference.
They only play 12 regularseason games.
You can't play the same people.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
It's not possible.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
You only play eight games in your conference,
correct?
So then you're going to saythere's 16 teams, so 15 others
besides yourself, and you onlyplay eight of them.
Yeah, so obviously it's notgoing to match what the other
guy, the other eight that theyplayed, because then they're
like, well, we've got to put therivalries in.
You don't have the same rivalryas everybody else.
You're going to put some closeproximity ones in that's
different than everybody else.
So what's the point?

(01:14:46):
Yeah, it's not equal.
To me these super conferencesare kind of, in a way, ruining
football.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
As much as I hate to say it.
Conferences or divisions mightbe the benefit.
Now again, I know we talkedabout Big Ten.
You saw one side that waslopsided for years.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
But that's what I like about the NFL the way they
do divisions.
You still play and it's stillabout what you do in the NFC.
But it's still like if you winyour division you're in, but you
could be the last seed becauseof how it falls.
Now they still do the whole.
You win the division, you're atop four.
Still not crazy about that sideof it because we've seen
division winners at eight andeight it's like all right,
that's, you've got a 10 win teamwho is in a wild card because

(01:15:30):
this team won eight, exactlylike I don't.
I don't love that and that'sthe fault that you see with
divisions.
Well, but I also hate the, thenfl, the way they do their
playoff.
The best team always plays thelowest available.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
They move their bracket around.
I don't like that To mebrackets, bracket, leave it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
If an upset happens, the upset happens.
It's just the way it is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
You shouldn't kind of reseed it.
They're trying to get the twobest teams.
It doesn't always happen.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
I just don't care.
When it comes to a bracket.
The fun part about it is thechaos that can happen.
So if you know, in thisinstance the 12 seed upsets the
five and go, plays the one andupsets them, they shouldn't
automatically go and then playthe two.
That's still available.
Play whoever's next.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
I don't know how college conferences change it,
because they're already doingeight conference games, correct.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Nobody wants to do more than that, of course not,
and then they're not going tomake the schedule longer.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
No and you've added well, even they don't want to
take away a team, another teamthroughout the year that you're
getting home revenue from, fromthese smaller teams coming in,
so you don't want to lose that,and then because of the playoff,
if you make it, you've got acouple extra games there, right?

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
I don't know what you do.
Conference championship you'vegot the extra game, then you've
got the extra playoffs.
Like it's've got the extraplayoffs, it turns into a much
longer season.
You're seeing what 16potentially 17 games I guess it
is.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Is that what it took this year to win a championship
Somewhere around that I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
because you look 12 regular season, one conference
championship and if you win thetournament, so yeah it would be
17.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Ohio State won it and they didn't get the bye.
But now they didn't have theirconference game their conference
championship.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
They didn't win the conference Would have been there
if they beat Michigan.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
So if they'd won their conference game, if they
had to play it, what was thatThey'd have been?
What?

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
16-1?

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
16 games to win.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Yeah, losing to Oregon.
They would have been like 16-1.
So it would have been like 17games.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Oh, so they had to play 17.
Something like that.
Yeah, yeah, I wasn't sure if itwas 16 or 17.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
I can't remember exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
You were getting into the NFL season at that point.
Yeah With college players.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
So then when you throw the playoffs on the NFL,
it gets longer.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
It does, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
That's regular season or what they're always asking
about adding another week in NFL.
They're up to 18, and 25 bynext year, who knows?

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
But I mean personally , let's go 20.
I don't care, I love collegefootball.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
I do, but then I feel like it's just too much.
It is Like football, like kindof some of the joy of what makes
football so great, whether it'sNFL or college.
Like, obviously NFL, there'salmost games every night anymore
.
Like they're they're addingmore.
They're adding fridays, they'regetting ready to add tuesday,
like they're they're throwing abunch more in there, but it's
still like the big core of games.

(01:18:12):
It's either saturday or sunday,like for, if you're a big
college fan, we got saturdayfootball starts at noon and goes
till, depending on where you'rewatching.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
1 am or later.
I've watched, I've been upwatching games, yeah west coast,
or you know, nfl.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
They start at like 12 , 12, 30, and it's all night as
well.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
This is such a random question, but you know we have
games on the east coast thatstart, you know, 7, 7, 30, a lot
of times, you know not not onsaturdays, but like during the,
the, the evening games duringthe week, and then we'll have
the West Coast games that arestill on at 2 in the morning.
Sure, wouldn't it be better tobe in the Midwest, somewhere

(01:18:52):
where you kind of get the middle?

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
You think it's the best of both worlds.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
They kind of start at 6.
I don't like tornadoes, so Idon't really care about that I'm
just saying the best collegefootball viewing would be that
sweet spot.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
I'm just saying the best college football viewing,
you know is going to be thatsweet spot If I wasn't going to
live where I currently live.
I like the beach, but Icouldn't live there, so, like
Florida is not really my ideal,I think I could live on the
beach, so where are?
you going Somewhere like Texas.

(01:19:24):
I could do Texas Because you'vegot solid weather year-round
for the most part.
They don't really like they getsome cold, but it's not super
cold Selfishly.
There's fantastic golf there.
There's golf everywhere, likeit's like Florida in that aspect
.
It's literally everywhere,because there's so much space,
depending on where you're at.
Obviously there's some veryoutskirt areas middle of nowhere
.
Texas, you know.
You go anywhere dallas suburbsor you know any of that stuff

(01:19:48):
well, being on the east coastpretty much my whole life.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
I've only been in texas once.
I think, um, and I didn't evenget all in west texas, right
huge state it's it's unique, Ilike I like yeah I like it's
different I've been've been toTexas once other than being born
there.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
It was a baby baby when we moved, so I don't really
count that as knowing anythingabout it.
Yeah, but we went once and Ijust think it's a cool area.
I'm not going to live in thecity.
I'm not a big city person, I'drather be more on the outskirts.
Going to live in the city, I'mnot a big city person, I'd
rather be more on the outskirts,but I still think, like you
could be two hours outside ofyou know one of the big cities

(01:20:29):
which is good ways out, yeah,and you still got a lot still
got a lot.
It's just there's more developedstuff there.
Yeah, growing up here in themountains, don't get wrong, the
mountains are cool, there's alot of cool stuff to it, but
then you also have more weather.
You've got more cold.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
It's more elevations a lot more stuff with you know,
I moved here from kentuckyseveral years ago and I say all
the time I didn't go far enoughsouth no, you, I mean you're in
the same climate as what youwere and you're not missing much
uh, it's colder there, but it'sstill too cold here, right so?
but no, I could live on thebeach and, like I'm not one of
those that I want to go out deepsea fishing and out in the

(01:21:04):
middle of the ocean all the time.
I just literally like the beach, just the view, the uniqueness,
it's just something about itthat so for me, like you know, I
I like being near the beach.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
We'll say that I'm I'm a beach adjacent kind of
person, because I hate sand.
I absolutely despise singingthat is so weird.
And then at the same time, I'ma pretty solid swimmer, always
have been love being in thewater, love pools, love that
stuff there's.
I'm in no control in the oceanthe ocean.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Don't care if you can swim not even talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
You know sharks or creatures, but you know, all of
a sudden the riptide gets crazy.
Like the ocean is just crazy tome there's so many odd things
there that we know so littleabout and I'm just like I don't
much care for that.
I don't care for the beach andthe ocean itself, so like it's
beautiful.
Don't get me wrong.
There's some views that arejust immaculate.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
That's what I enjoy about it.
So yeah, like give me oceanview cool okay I don't need to
be on it, so you'd be okaylooking out your window and
seeing it and yeah, oh yeah, I'dbe in the pool and look at
those, correct, okay, correct, Imean I'll get, I'm good with
that, I don't care about beingat the beach I'll get in the
water and play around a littlebit with the kids and stuff.
But you're right, like thosesharks and stuff you see coming

(01:22:17):
up close anymore and things andyou have no control.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
You have no control.
You not in charge.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
The currents and stuff that you see.
Yeah, but I just think it'scool, like you said, just the I
don't want to say view, but likethe kind of the atmosphere, the
surroundings, there's someuniqueness stuff in different
locations.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
I love.
Like a lot of the beaches we'vebeen to.
You've got pretty solid weather.
It gets hot, but you alwayskind of have that breeze like
you have.
You know the ocean smell.
Obviously it can be bad incertain places if you know
you're kind of in a rougherbeach area.
But most of the beaches we'vebeen to have been pretty well
taken care of, pretty nice.
You don't have just the awfuljunk everywhere.
But yeah, I just don't.

(01:22:57):
I have no desire to just alwaysbe at the beach, because then
too it's like all right if Ican't be in the water.
It's too hot.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
I wonder if the humidity is just so high.
You know, I lived at the beachwhen I was a kid not on the
beach but in Florida close.
But I wonder, if you live there, if it doesn't have the same
attraction Like to us.
We're not there all the time,so it's kind of like.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
So here's the thing a shadow of a doubt.
That's true.
Look where we live.
I have no desire to go up inthe mountains and do all the
stuff that people come here, forI know, so I'm like, yeah, I
guarantee, if I'm at the beach,it's like I'd probably want to
come up here to the mountains.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
I think you'd want to change pace yeah, but maybe you
live where whichever one youlike the most and you still want
to change the pace somewhere.
But one of those things I don'twant to be near hurricanes and
all that kind of stuff no but Ilove at the beach and seeing
like a storm rolling.
You can see like the rain, aregular storm.
Yeah, it's really really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
No hurricane I think what's so cool about it is you
can see the whole thing kind ofhappen.
You can like when you're in themountains, obviously you don't
see anything because it's justkind of trapped, but when you're
in the city too, like you don'tget to see it all, just kind of
rolling in and developing anddoing everything but you watch
one you watch one come over thewater yeah, it's big difference.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
I guess it'd be that way in midwest, but, like in
your point, it might be atornado coming at you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
So yeah, so I mean it partly depends on where you're
at, but yes, there's much worsestorms there, but at the same
time, like I, would almostrather live on like a good size
lake let me find like give, giveme like a I sized lake.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
That'd be fun.
Give me like a boat to go outfishing.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
I love being on a lake.
Lakes are fantastic to me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
It's part of the same thing.
You can't see what's in there.
You don't know what's in there.
It's kind of animals andwhatnot.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
The thing about that is there's less things that can
be in there, is there?
Yeah, I mean, as soon as youtake sharks out of the equation,
there's there's less predatorsif you're south you might have
gators you gotta worry about.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
Depends on where you're at depends where?

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
yeah, for sure I don't like up here, like if you
live on a lake up here, there'snot much to worry about.
There's not, there will be no.
Like the climate's not good forgators, you're not having some
snakes a few snakes, but aboutit?
Yeah, not many of those are outin open water.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
I mean, I grew up, those are usually by the banks.
I grew up at the lake, all thetime Right, swimming in the lake
and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
I love going to the lake.
Lakes are fantastic.
Who knows what's in there?

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
but Of course you know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
If you don't have around here is lake fishing.
We have streams and rivers.
Oh, we've got plenty of lakes.
They're just all private.
Well, that's true, there areplenty of lake spots, but you've
got to know somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
It's mostly trout fishing in the streams and the
rivers and that's fun, but Iwant to get on a boat on the
lake.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
What I going to the rivers, though, is just.
I like having the space, I likehaving just the open, that I
don't have to worry about it,because, like, when you're
fishing in the river, it it's alot.
You gotta be a lot more lockedin, because otherwise, you're
getting caught on everything.
The water's moving, it's a lotmore just paying attention to
every little thing, where, kindof like on the lake, you can
kind of just hang out with yourbuddies and it's more of just a
relaxing, just chill adventurethan it is.
Yeah, I'm really just out heretrying to catch every little
thing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
I can Get you a pontoon boat with a grill on
there.
You're grilling one hand andriding the other hand.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
Speaking my language Now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
I'm all for it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
See, that's what we need to do On a golf course,
golly.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Can we all over it yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
Just get off the boat and go play golf.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Do it down at Hartwell do it down at heartwell
, good, limson.
Yeah, expensive houses downthere.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
Well, we ain't buying a house, we're just gonna take
the boat down that's true, beeasier to just drive right up to
your house and do all that,that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
But yeah, well, that would be, yeah now we're talking
.
That'd be fun if I could justgo out there and fish every day.
I could do that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
I like to fish yeah, that that would be fun.
I I would enjoy that and I love, I love what I will say a lake
in the mountains.
There's very few things morebeautiful Because you have the
water view plus all themountains.
You have kind of have the wholeatmosphere.
So you're like all right whenI'm fishing at sunset and I've
got mountain backdrops, clearskies and I'm on the lake like

(01:27:02):
there's very few things that arecooler than that.
I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Lake, there's very few things that are cooler than
that.
I'm with you.
I can handle that.
Maybe that's a retirement thingon the lake.
I've got too many years tothink about retirement right now
.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
I know I'm too young for that and I don't feel young,
but I know I'm way too young toconsider retirement yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Well, maybe We'll see .

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
I've got to win the lottery that I don't play, so
it's kind of tough.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
You never know.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
There's some big ones , though I know you've talked
about it a few times.
You're like, yeah, we went andbought one because it was like
some hundreds of millions, andit's like, yeah, I feel like
you've got to at least try.
It's a couple bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
I mean, I used to have the view if I'm going to
play the lottery, it needs to belife-changing 10 bucks well,
but even then, like you went 10grand, like that's not true, but
that's not truly life changingno, now I've come around on that
lately, but a few years ago Iwouldn't.
Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
I'll take any money you can give me don't get me
wrong because, like you know,obviously most people live where
you always have some kind ofbill.
You always have something that,like you're.
Yes, any extra money you wouldlove to have, yep but, but to me
it's just like I don't reallycare to go waste five bucks on a
potential you know 25,000 orscratch off when I'm only going

(01:28:14):
to get about 12 of that Causethe government's taking it, I
agree, but and it's like, yeah,12 is cool, but how much did you
spend to get it?

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
The flip side is I'm going to take that $5 and buy a
drink and a candy bar, and soyou know.
So it's still going to bewasted.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Yeah, I don't know, it's just something a little bit
different, like cause, here'sthe thing You're going to buy
that drink candy bar anyways.
So now you're just spendingdouble.
So what was the point?
There's just very few Like,especially locally.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Just let me gamble.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
Let me alone, gamble, listen, gamble all you want.
I know you've been doing someof the small sports stuff for
quite a while now.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
It's been a few years .
It's fun, but I put some moneyin a few years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
I've never put another penny in Right, you've
just been playing off the samemoney for a while so mildly
successful enough to at leastkeep you going.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Well, I I did win some, but this past season it
went down quite a bit.
I usually do college football.
Well, we did talk about thatthis year was tough.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
Now.
The live betting is way morefun, I think, because you're
just, you get to watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
You're involved.
It's a little different.
I get involved in a game.
I don't care about over $5 orsomething.
That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
I've never brought myself to do it, and I had this
discussion with my brother, bradit was like I could see myself
easily getting hooked, like youyou do just you do remotely good
on one.
You're like if I put a hundredbucks I'd have done really good
oh, yeah, and then if you winthat one, it's like it turns
into five.
It turns into stuff that I'mlike it could.
I don't have that kind of moneyto blow.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
I've never got and I'm not saying I would
necessarily just gravitatetowards that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
It's just.
I feel that could be a veryslippery slope.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
So when I first started doing it, I just wanted
to bet for fun, sure, and Iwould bet on sports.
I didn't know anything about it.
I'd bet on soccer randomly andI would lose like crazy and I'm
like like, why am I betting onthis?
I don't know anything about it.
So I started getting morestrategic about what I bet on

(01:30:11):
and so I've done better withthat.
But again, it's not, it's a,it's just an enhance, a game I
don't really care that muchabout.
I'm not doing it for the money.
I wouldn't put any money ingambling that I'm not okay.
Just losing anyways like it'sjust a fun thing do you?

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
do you ever really bet on games that you do care
about, sometimes like a buckeyegame, like do you really bet on
that much?
Sometimes because I feel likeyou, even if you're like good
odds, like I don't want to betagainst my team so I found with
kentucky basketball, sometimesyour emotions for the team you
like will make you bet.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
On them when you probably shouldn't.
You know, you're like, oh yeah,they're going to win this game,
you know.
But then maybe when you stepback and go well, maybe I
thought more of that because Iwas a fan.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
Gotcha.
Yeah, I could see kind ofavoiding the games that you feel
emotionally invested in.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
Yeah, now it's fun to bet on the other team because
then I win.
Either way, my team wins, great.
If my team loses, I got acouple bucks out, you know
whatever that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
I mean it does, but it's just there are times, but
then you get conflicted thingsin the middle of the game right.
Well, so that'd be the thing,like if I was betting on
carolina basketball right now.
There are many times that I'mlike, yeah, I'm betting against
them, yeah, because I'mexpecting.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
But it's like, then I feel like I'm cheering against
them and I'm like I'm not goingto cheer against them because I
still want them to win.
I'm the same way.
I can't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
I'm still a fan so I want them to win.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
So that's kind of tough it's very hard to bet on
teams you like, unless you'rejust like yep, they're great,
they going to win everything,I'm betting on them.
I'm betting everything on themand I'll go down with them if
they lose, because that's whatwe do as fans anyways.
Even if we don't bet on them,we're up and down with what our
teams do.

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
So that's another thing.
If any of you do any kind ofsmall sports betting, big sports
betting, whatever it may be,what's kind of your take on that
?
Are you kind of like David'ssaying, betting on the games
that you really don't have anyinvolvement in because then it's
more enjoyable, or are youbetting for your team?
Are you betting for one thatyou have the emotional

(01:32:11):
investment in?
Because I could kind of seeboth, because it's like you're
like I'm gonna put my moneywhere my mouth is.
If I'm really behind this team,I'm putting some money behind
it.
But gosh, that's just if youhave enough, sure, if you're if
you're wealthy enough, you don'treally care.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
Any real fan of any team.
You know their faults.

Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
True.
So, like you said, it's hardbecause you've been against them
, but where I could see that,though is like at the beginning
of the year, I'm going to put$100 that Ohio State's going to
win the national championship atthe end of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
I can see that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
That one's a little bit different.
That's different betting.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
Yes, I feel like you kind of have to stay out of it
the week.
But I'm thinking, I'm thinkinglike, even like the long term
would.
Would you vote or would you bet?

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
on your like a team that you're a fan of?
Yeah, it's like.
Or are you more calculated like?
Now I gotta wait till it'scloser to.
Because here's the thing ifthey have three major injuries
week one and they win five gamesall year is like what was the
point?

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
yeah, I don't like betting on anything that's that
far off, because things changeso much.
Now you get good odds.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Your odds are very different, you get good odds
because it's very unlikelyyou're going to win it.
I mean, look at the tournamentbrackets we do every year.
They give away millions ofdollars to people who get those
brackets right because it is sounlikely you're going to get it
right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
Well, yeah, I mean ESPN's done the NCAA bracket how
many years now?
And it's always like, by thetime you get to Sweet 16, it's
like down below 100 of perfectbrackets left, because it's just
the number of outcomes isoutrageous.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
The same reason I don't bet on golf or NASCAR.
There's so many individualsthat could win so many different
scenarios.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
Well, so the good thing about if you do golf
betting you don't always have tobet for a winner, you can bet
for, you know, an over-under ohyeah.
There's so many other littlebets that you can do that's not
just.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
I got to bet for a win.
Well, you can do that infootball games.
Oh, of course.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
Yeah, I don't mean that.
But it's just in golf, Icouldn't.
There's so many things that canhappen in any given moment.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
The crazy ones to me, like in the middle of a
football game, is literally live.
It'll say what's this teamgoing to do on their fourth
possession?
What's this team going to?

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
do on their fifth possession.
But there's a lot of peoplethat they're just betting on
every little Field goal blockedfield goal.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
It's like I don't know, some of those are tough,
but you get such a good job.
Now I mentioned NASCAR, so wejust had Daytona 500.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
First, race of the season.
We didn't watch it right.
First race of the season Realrace.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
We had a little exhibition a couple weeks ago,
Okay so two races, I don't careabout.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
Got it yeah, so no, I did not watch it.
So obviously Daytona is.
Whether you are into NASCAR ornot, you probably heard of date.
Whether you've necessarilyheard of the daytona 500, you at
least know there's a nascarrace, some type of race that
happens in daytona and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
I record a lot of the races, watch them at late at
night.
I don't watch all of them, butwhen they're at daytona like
this you know the the first partof the year, they have a couple
smaller races in the middle ofthe week right and they have uh
trucks the race.
Then they have the xfinityseries race and they have, and I
try to watch all of them atdaytona.
I'm usually up late watchingwhatever, um, but it's just
different to me that type ofracing the first race back, it's

(01:35:10):
a big deal, donald trump.
They're driving around thetrack leading the cars which I
thought it's funny, you do thepace car.
Well, he was in the limousine,oh okay.
And his what they call thebeast?

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
yeah, it makes sense yeah, obviously, so they had him
.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
Yeah, but it was funny because they would at the
corners.
They wouldn't go up on thetrack because it's such a steep
incline.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
Yeah, I wouldn't imagine that thing would be able
to do that well.
Yeah, so they did a couple lapswith that Not without quite a
bit of speed to be able to stayup there Exactly yeah, but it
was cool to see him there.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
Big takeaway from you know, dellenhart Jr had a car
in there.
Finally, he wasn't driving it,but somebody else.
It's weird to me to haveEarnhardt I feel like everybody
knows in NASCAR racing but he'snot involved in like the major
cup series at all.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Well, so we talked a bunch about NASCAR after the
podcast last week we werediscussing, because you were
saying, hey, it's coming up.
You know we'll probably discussit.
You know all that stuff.
And here was my thought goingon NASCAR.
I thought about this all weekand then saw who won and NASCAR
is kind of in a weird placeright now, what I feel, because

(01:36:15):
no one knows who they are.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
If you are not a NASCAR fan, if you're not a
NASCAR fan, because a lot of theolder guys are gone.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
Golf is the same way.
We're really close to beingthere.
The only reason people stillknow is because Tiger's still
there.
Tiger's still there.
He hasn't given up yet.
So, nascar, all the guys thatpeople knew You're talking about
Arnhart Jr.
You had Tony Stewart, you hadJeff Gordon.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
You know some NASCAR guys.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
Jimmy Johnson.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
He's still racing, he's back.

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
But the thing is, some of those guys though, you
knew outside of it, they werebigger than just NASCAR, so,
like they, they were doing somany other things and were
involved in so many things, soyou would, you kind of knew who
they were this group like I'mlooking through some of that and
I'm like if I wouldn't haveseen them on ESPN before or seen

(01:37:10):
like that, that was a thing Icouldn't tell you who they are.
You've got so many young guyscoming in at very young ages and
it's knocking those guys out byno means by saying, well, is
that's necessarily a bad thingfor the?
Again, don't consider sportsmotorsport a little bit
different, but it's its own kindof subcategory.
Yeah, but it's just hardbecause there's no one that is
bringing attention for thenon-NASCAR people.
You kind of have to be a littlemore involved in it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
No, and I'm not a fan of this one.
The biggest one right now isBubba Wallace, and I don't like
that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
It's a like okay, he's a decent driver.
Even then, I don't know howmany people are really like.
They know who Bubba Wallace is.
No, they're trying to get aspecific fan set, I think with
that, um again, I don't knowthat he's doing that or whatever
, but um, I think a lot ofthat's pushed way above.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
I don't think the racing is as good as it used to
be either, and even somewhatrecently, uh, the daytona 500
was a crash fest, a lot of it,and it just wasn't that fun to
watch.
I don't know if you saw so sameguy.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
I didn't.
I'll go ahead and tell you Ididn't see anything.

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
I didn't know if you saw the clip, so you need to go
look at the clip.
I really haven't seen anythingabout other than I saw them do a
post about who won.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
Well for the second time in two or three years.
The same guy got airborne andliterally his car done like a
huge wheelie and the wind caughtit and just flipped it upside
down on its top side and cross.
And that's one thing they'rebig on Like we cannot get cars
upside down, like that'sdangerous and I don't know what

(01:38:38):
they're going to do about it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
But yeah, I mean I see what you're saying, but I'm
almost like I don't have athought on it because it doesn't
.
Nascar is a very tough thing todraw you in, and I was thinking
about this too this week.
A lot of people say that aboutgolf, but the one thing about
golf is you can go do that forcheap.
Oh, you can.

(01:39:00):
Racing is not a cheap thing evenon like hey, I'm going to do
the local dirt track.
That's not a cheap thing, evenon like hey, I'm going to do the
local dirt track.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
That's not a cheap thing.

Speaker 1 (01:39:06):
It's not cheap at all , so it's not something that's
just super accessible.
So I think that's another thingthat I would say is going
against racing as a whole.
I'm not just talking aboutNASCAR, but racing in the world
what goes against?

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
it is just accessibility.
Nascar, for sure.
I see NASCAR as it's almost agenerational thing.
I don't know if they pull in alot of new fans.
No, no, I can see it, Becauseof one of the reasons you just
said like you can't just go race.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
Well, I looked at it a couple days ago.
Nascar has about 3.3 million TVviewers.
They actually get more TVviewers than golf, but there are
hundreds of millions of peoplethat are involved in golf.
They go play golf.
There's like hundreds ofmillions of golfers, we're
talking.
Thousands of racers, that's it.

(01:39:54):
So, it's a very different thing.
It's a different thing for sure.
They say, week by week, nascaris going to get more views on a
race than golf is on atournament.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
Now I think it's hard to compare NASascar to golf,
because nascar is an individualthing.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
If you look at overall motorsports racing, then
you might get closer to whenyou start looking at no, no, I'm
talking, but I'm just talkingabout racers as a whole.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
Like you're still, you're in the thousands yeah,
but you can look at all thedifferent types of cars, the
different different trucks, thedifferent motocross, the
different boats.
I mean you can get into a lotof racing.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
But when you look at it professional, you're still in
, maybe into a million.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
Like it's not high, Possibly.
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
I don't know what the number would be, but you look
at professional in golf in theirworld golf rankings.
You get into millions Likethat's what I'm saying in their
world golf rankings.
You get into millions.
That's what I'm saying.
It's crazy, crazy numbers.
So again, I'm not trying to say, well, golf's better than
NASCAR, because no, it's simplya.
Both sports are tough to dragnew people to.
Let's just be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
It really, really is.
But golf does have the upperhand.
That, just like at 4U Golf, youcan come grab one of our clubs
and just hit some balls Rightyour golf.
You can come grab one of ourclubs and just hit some balls,
right you can't just come downthere and drive before go?

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
go to goodwill, spend 15 bucks and get an entire bag
worth of clubs.
Find some balls out on thecourse.
When you get there, you knowyou probably have golf balls.
For some reason, people collect.

Speaker 3 (01:41:18):
I don't know why where you find them, you get
them.

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
But go to walmart, buy some new ones for 10 bucks.
Get a whole case of crappy,just whatever balls, but you get
them.
But go to Walmart, buy some newones for 10 bucks.
Get a whole case of crappy,just whatever balls.
But you could basically go for$50, paying for the course,
doing everything, and go playFor me though very few sports
are that cheap.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
No, and there might be a lot of people like me, I
don't know.
I enjoy going hitting the golfballs having fun.
I enjoy going hitting the golfballs having fun.
I enjoy the entertainment sideof it more than I do the sports
side.

Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
But I think there's a lot of people that do the fun,
the leisurely, whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
Yeah, but I would much rather watch NASCAR or
maybe even some other racingthan watch golf on TV.
And I like golf on TV.
I'm not saying I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
Well, but my thought on that is NASCAR.
You get one day we get to seethe start to a finish in a day.
Even though it may be long,it's still a day.
You don't get that in golf,it's four days.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Even if it was one day, I think I'd rather watch
the race and I don't know whatit is.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
That's my personality , it's kind of hard to say,
though, because we've never seenwhat one-day golf looks like,
so you don't really have tocompare.
But still it's you've, youdon't know what led you to here.

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
You don't know the controversy that got us there.
I told you that way the racing.

Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
I don't want to jump in the middle of a race, I need
to see right in the end right,yeah, so for you, if you feel
that way about golf, fromthursday through sunday,
nobody's gonna see you.
No, because, yeah, you've got alot of hours and that's hard
for me to do.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
It's hard to jump.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
I can jump in on a day like I'll watch thursday
through sunday, but I'm notsitting there in front of a tv
watching every single I don'tcare, I don't care, I have to
see it because there's so manyguys that they show that aren't.
Some of the guys they show onthe first two days aren't making
the weekend, so it's like Idon't care to see them.
Well, that's like.
I watch it because I enjoy it,but it's just a different.

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
If I'm gonna jump in in the middle of it, like some
of them.
I'll try to keep up withthroughout the.
You know the masters like thatI'll keep up with, but I can
jump in the last day, but thatthat's one of the majors, like
it kind of transcends it doespeople that don't know golf know
what the masters are but it'svery different if I jump in the
last day of a golf tournament.
I'm looking at the, the leader,I'm going okay, these five or

(01:43:23):
six can win, and that's all I'mpaying attention to Right, I
don't care about that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
Listen, I agree with that.
I'm not questioning that at all, but that's where I think.
But I do think both sportsstruggle in that aspect.
It's just hard to draw in newpeople, it is.
You almost have to kind of getgimmicky in a way to get them to
.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
Are they the biggest sports?
That are that way, because,okay, is tennis bigger than golf
or NASCAR, or even racing ingeneral?

Speaker 1 (01:43:49):
I guess I don't think so.
Again, tennis is very similarto golf in the aspect of it
doesn't take much to be able togo out and play.
So if you're talking aboutpeople, involved, but you've got
to be.

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
I don't know, I guess you've got athletic, but you
gotta be pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:44:04):
I mean, tennis is a lot of running and stuff so like
not just anybody can go do it,but if you play doubles it's not
okay, so you can that can beeasier and it depends too.
Like everybody's just gonna playpickleball, I mean.
So I played tennis most of mylife, was fortunate enough to go
play some in college as well.
That is not the tennis thatthese people are going to go
play, like when we used to playwith some of the old men out at

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our local racquet club.
Like old man tennis is not thesame.
There's not much movement,there's not much of anything.
It's kind of a lot of juststanding around.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
So you're kind of just dinking it back and forth.
Isn't say tennis, volleyball,some of those other sports?
Are they on the level with golfand NASCAR, like trying to get
fans, or is golf and NASCARahead of them in in?

Speaker 1 (01:44:47):
viewerships and well.
So I think the issue that yousee in tennis, nobody cares
unless it's a major.
Okay, nobody's watching, unlessit's a major.
So a lot of people tune intothe Australian Open, because the
time that it is um, you getless people.
Us Open's a kind of a big thingbeing in New York.
There's a lot of celebrities, alot of that kind of stuff.
Uh, wimb, us Open's kind of abig thing being in New York.
There's a lot of celebrities, alot of that kind of stuff.
Wimbledon is kind of like theMasters.

(01:45:09):
If you know tennis or not,you've heard of Wimbledon,
though it's just a very fancything.
So yeah, you've got what.
There are four majors of theyear in the French Open on the
clay.
Outside of those, nobody cares.
I hate to say that, growing uploving tennis the way I did,
you're not watching.
I've been to the tournamentthey host in Cincinnati Nobody's

(01:45:32):
watching that on TV.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
It's a lot of personality.
And again, I think a lot ofsports is what you grew up on.
The major sports you can getinto, whether you grew up on
them or not.
These outlier even golf, it'syou know.
Did you grow up playing?

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
golf.
Do you know the goal?
So, like my dad is still huge,huge into tennis.
I mean like huge into it.
He, he looks on fox news orespn to see who won these little
tournaments.
Yeah, he doesn't.
He's still not watching.
The only people that are reallywatching that they've got it on
at, like, the country clubs andthe racket clubs because it's
like, well, that's what we dohere, so you turn it on at the
country clubs and the racketclubs Because it's like, well,
that's what we do here, so youturn it on in the background.
But they have very littleviewership Worldwide.

(01:46:10):
Maybe more, because the onething about tennis is they play
across the entire globe.
Where NASCAR is America, onlyGolf really.
Pga Tour is pretty much America.
Only One tournament in Mexico,one tournament in Canada.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
You don't get much With golf and stuff, talking
about how you grew up and whatyou like.
I like golf, but I bet youcould name a lot more golfers
than I could.
Oh, 100%, and I could name alot more NASCAR drivers than you
could.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
I don't know that I could name any.
Just name some Current.
Well, I'm just saying evenhistory, or whatever, oh,
absolutely, yeah, you're goingto absolutely name so here's the
thing.
You name 10 current guys you'vealready got more than I would.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:48):
Just based on that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
But you could name off golfers.
That I don't even know exist.

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
See, I could do that with tennis too, though, just
because, growing up in that youwatch these guys, because you're
almost using it as filmsessions, stuff that, their
footwork and the movement andwhat you take away from it, but
it's just very different.
I still don't see, looking atnumbers of what they pull on TV.

(01:47:14):
Next to nothing Because, again,tennis is not shown on anything
other than Tennis Channel.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
Let me throw out another sport that I'm on the
fence still on and I don't know,I don't think you've come
around to it yet.
Hockey.

Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
Hockey's growing like crazy in America right now so,
again, being an internationalsport, it helps because hockey
is big across the worldespecially when you start to get
like I don't know how big it is, you start to get like winter
olympics and where you startdoing national teams.
There's so much passion behindit because what we're seeing
with the, the all-star stuff,america and canada fighting like

(01:47:49):
crazy but it's big in americait's big in canada, it's big in
russia, it's big in a lot of thethe cold european countries.
So hockey's big in a lot ofplaces across the world I'm
starting to go around a littlebit definitely not a it's not
gonna, it'll never go ahead offootball, basketball, baseball

(01:48:09):
in america either it never willit's growing a lot in america, a
lot of people get into it a lotof people are loving it again.
I'll watch it when we get tothe um well, I mean, I would say
, hockey is probably the fourthbiggest sport in america,
viewership wise, like you put itabove golf.

Speaker 2 (01:48:25):
Oh, 100% Racing and all.

Speaker 1 (01:48:28):
I think viewership you're going to get more, but
it's again.
Team sports is a differentthing.
Team sports is way easier toget behind because you have, you
can buy jerseys, the ticketsthat you go and you're watching.
In an arena of some type wheregolf you go sit on a hole.
You in an arena of some typewhere golf, like, you go sit on
a hole, you're only watchingthat hole and who comes by.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
You're not getting to see everything, so you
mentioned the fights that thatwe just saw recently.
Yeah, three fights, three inone minute and and I told you I
didn't really have a hate it,but I'm gonna say I hate
fighting in hockey.
Like it makes no sense to me.
It both of you are going to thepenalty box afterwards.
You didn't really accomplishanything.
You're probably buddies afterthe game, I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:49:11):
So we kind of said it Would you be okay with it if
there was like a stipulation ofyou're going to fight, you win
the fight, you stay on the ice,like would that make it make
more sense or is it more?
Just like I don't get why itfits in it at all.

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
It would help, but I don't get why it fits there.
I got you Because it's justlike taking any of the other
sports.
So here's my thing Can soccerstop and just start punching
each other?
Because I feel like hockey issimilar to soccer.

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
Soccer players fall over at a small wind.
I know they are hurt every twoseconds.
What I?
I know they are hurt every twoseconds, but I can't, what?
I cannot stand about watchingany kind of soccer and I'll be
honest with you, I don't watchmuch.
But I love the World Cup.
I love watching the World Cup.
When you start getting countrystuff like it.
Just there's a lot more.
I don't know, it just feelsdifferent, it's fun it's fun to
watch like I've always andwomen's world cup.

(01:50:00):
I think they're both good towatch.
I really do.
I don't watch any socceroutside of that.
Yeah, could not.
I don't have it.
I couldn't even tell you teamsoutside of that, I just don't
care.
But when you get into, like yousaid, there's just a grit to it
, there's so much to it.
But then with hockey myexpertise of hockey is the

(01:50:25):
mighty ducks all I got.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
I got the movies from when I was a kid, I guess I
started watching.

Speaker 1 (01:50:29):
I don't I've never been able to get into it.
I've, and I've watched some, soit's not like I'm just like oh,
it's hockey, I don't care.
So we have never get into.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
We had some friends talk about it.
We had a business partner thatwas originally from canada and
liked it yeah, big ruins fan andso I kind of started let me
check this out, you know,because basketball was over at
that time.
Sure sure.

Speaker 1 (01:50:48):
And it kind of falls in a lull between other.
It does.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
And I think one of the first games I watched was
the Dallas Stars.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
And they were kind of exciting to watch, and so I
kind of become a Dallas Starsfan.
I haven't watched it all.
Did you start pre-playoffs ordid you start in the playoffs In
the?

Speaker 1 (01:51:02):
playoffs.
Okay, so is it maybe thatyou're more just like I like
playoff hockey?
Oh, because it's kind of like alot of people flock back to NBA
when the playoffs happen.
Yeah, we've talked about that.
It's just more exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
There's a little more on the line.

Speaker 1 (01:51:16):
Like are you watching hockey right now?

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
No, I'm going to watch basketball I.
I'm going to watch a race.

Speaker 1 (01:51:21):
Gotcha, so you're a playoff hockey guy.

Speaker 2 (01:51:22):
Yeah, at this point and we'll see where it goes from
there, but I love thephysicality, I love slamming
them into the wall and differentstuff like that to get the puck
.
But as far as just taking yourgloves off and swinging, that
makes no sense to me.

Speaker 1 (01:51:36):
Let's just get it out .
I kind of want to go look it upliterally anyone else if you
get a chance, like if we canfigure out why or when that
became a thing, like what's kindof the purpose behind it,
because it almost kind of feelslike it's one of those, just
it's always been there so wejust left it, type things yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
And the ones that like it are like oh, this is
manly, you know we fight here.
Like, but it doesn't meananything with the game.
Like if you're going to playthe game, play the game.
If you want to fight after thegame over something have at it.
That's how I feel aboutbaseball games and non-baseball
stadiums yeah.
I feel the same way, we knowyou don't like any sport played

(01:52:19):
in a different arena than whatit's supposed to be in.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
It just doesn't fit.
It doesn't make sense.
I get it.
The seating is not made for it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
Okay.
Well now TGL, we're playinggolf in an arena that is not
made for golf.

Speaker 1 (01:52:33):
We're not playing golf.
That's a whole different thing.
Like I like it, I think they'vestarted to kind of catch.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
It's gotten a lot better.

Speaker 1 (01:52:40):
They've kind of started to catch their grip on
it and it's getting much, muchbetter.
So we've talked about it abunch and I know there's some of
you that are like I don't care,or I don't know anything about
it.
Tomorrow Golf League.
It's a much easier digestibleform of golf, like it's two
hours.
You get one night a week, twohours Like it's done, so it's
way easier to watch than afour-day tournament, so I think

(01:53:03):
that's why you've gotten into itmore, just pretty quick.
I've expressed that I don'twatch a lot of the other golf
because of the series, but it'spretty quick and I'll be honest
with you you've watched more TGLthan I have and I don't have to
keep up with 100 players,Correct.
It's three to four per team andmost of Lucas Glover and then

(01:53:26):
Billy Horschel, Because eachteam has one alternate.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
So they had two back-to-back games, the other
day For President's Day.
And I watched both of those.
I haven't got to watch theothers yet, but I watched both
of those.
I thought they were bothentertaining, some really good
shots.
Now I do still think there'ssome shots some players hit and
they're like I don't know aboutthat.
You still see the look on theirface and they're letting it go
because they understand.

Speaker 1 (01:53:51):
I think that's just part of technology.
I think that's again you maysay five years from now, those
things are going to be so muchbetter than they are even now.
Oh they will, because launchmonitors that they use, those
have been around for 25 years.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
They've been around longer than that.

Speaker 1 (01:54:06):
It's just they've gotten so much better in the
last little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
When you're one of the top golfers in the world,
like all these guys are.
You know some of the top andyou go out there and you hit a
shot.
That has to bother your ego alittle bit when you see it hit
and you're like I don't knowabout that.

Speaker 1 (01:54:21):
You know, I don't think it bothers their ego.
I think because of their egothey're like ah, it's just wrong
, like I didn't do that yeah butare the fans watching it going?

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
oh, he's not as good, you know, especially fans that
don't watch golf.
Now seeing him here going he'snot as good.

Speaker 1 (01:54:34):
I don't think as much .
On the screen Now, the chips,the stuff into the green, the
putting, yes, yes, I do thinkthat to an extent there but
that's all artificial stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:54:45):
I agree that's got to be hard.

Speaker 1 (01:54:46):
I just think you see it some more there because
you're seeing start to finish ofit when the screen.
You're then getting aprojection.
You're not getting a true.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
The guys are starting to figure it out because
they're making some chip-ins.

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
This past week.
We've seen a lot more chip-ins,We've seen a lot more
sticking-ins, We've seen a lotmore stick it right next to the
hole.
It's been much, much more.
Hey, we've got it now.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
Both of those that I watched close matches.

Speaker 1 (01:55:10):
Atlanta came back from behind to win, which makes
it so much better.
The close matches are so muchbetter.

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
The second one.
They lost by one, and I don'tremember who it was.
It might have been Glover.
Somebody had a putt to go toovertime, gotcha and, and missed
it.
Uh, which glover.
It's first time I've seen himon there.

Speaker 1 (01:55:27):
He's, he's funny and has some personality and so but
that's again, if you are intogolf, which I've known lucas
about lucas glover for years nowI've.
I kind of like lucas gloverbecause he's got a little more
personality, it's a little moreanimated, a little more fun, I.

Speaker 2 (01:55:39):
But most people don't know who they don't and you
know, something like this mightbe good for somebody like him oh
, oh 100%.
But I was, you know, saying Ilike Atlanta, I like Atlanta,
but I hadn't seen Glover yet andI was afraid like, oh man, am I
not going to like?

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
him Right, Some new guy, I don't know what he's
going to do.
And then he came in and I waslike, oh, this is good, that's
probably to me.
Thomas just really pulls ittogether.
Oh, he does.

Speaker 2 (01:56:02):
He could make any team more exciting, you know,
and they changed the hammerrules.
They did.
Each team gets three.

Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
I don't know if I've ever seen any type of sport or
event or any type whatever.
You want to consider this?
Change a rule midseason.

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
I don't like that part, but it made it way better
Like they needed it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:19):
So I don't like changing rules just randomly
like in the middle, but it'skind of something.
I feel like I've heardeverybody say it's the first
season of something make someadjustments I'm okay with it I
get it now two years in, threeyears in.

Speaker 2 (01:56:31):
Don't do it in the middle season, wait till after
no, you, you say, all right,we've recognized.

Speaker 1 (01:56:34):
This is kind of questionable.

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
Yeah, we're not gonna change it now, we'll change it
in between I wonder how much itwould affect the previous
matches and if it, but again,you're kind of, you could maybe
say, but I think this is one ofthose that like if it really
does ever become big, it'salmost just like well.

Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
Winner of this is an asterisk, because it was kind of
we're trying some things.

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
We're trying some stuff.
I'm sure they'll make changes.

Speaker 1 (01:56:54):
And here's the thing, because they make their own
holes, they create their ownstuff.
I've thought about this, theone thing that could be exciting
.
I don't know we ever see thesame holes year by year.
I think we could see differentcourses every year, because why
not, why not?
They make their own, like youmay like bring like a throwback
to hey, remember this, from yearone we brought this one back,
like that'd be kind of cool, so,but you could always kind of

(01:57:15):
keep it fresh what I thought waskind of weird.

Speaker 2 (01:57:17):
I said elana played two matches back to back right
and the same hole was in bothmatches and I I thought it kind
of gave Atlanta a little bit ofan advantage because they just
saw the hole.
Now they've all seen them, somethey practice on them and
everything, but they literallyjust played it in competition.

Speaker 1 (01:57:32):
Did you see practice Tommy Fleetwood?
Hole-in-one on a par four?
Yes, off the rock and justperfect.

Speaker 2 (01:57:40):
Put it right in On a par four.
That's impressive.
Even in the competition, that'simpressive like part, I mean
part four.

Speaker 1 (01:57:45):
I mean we're talking, this is 300 and some odd yards
away, like we've talked aboutthis with top tracer at our
range.

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
Yeah, those are the only.
We have top tracer.
It's like top golf you can playyes, and everything does it
count it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:57:57):
Oh no, absolutely not .
So I mean no, no, no, it'sstill cool to see.
It's cool because, like, it'sstill really hard, but I've got
multiple hole-in-ones on holesat the range.
Yeah, I don't have any in reallife so in real life I say I got
zero, you got zero.
Simulator golf does not count asall in once.
Well, um, you would have toreally have some kind of

(01:58:19):
argument to be able to change mymind on that, because that it
just doesn't make sense I reallydo feel like it's starting to
feel like, uh, buddy's justhanging out having fun and it's
starting to come across tv thatway yeah

Speaker 2 (01:58:30):
you're starting to laugh about it, have fun.
They're doing some hot micstuff where they show some
segments of different things youmight have missed throughout
the tournament.
You know, yeah, some things guysaid.
The one I'm still not sold onyet is Marty Marty Smith Going
around talking to people.
I'm not 100% sold on that yet.

Speaker 1 (01:58:49):
Listen, I've got a fix for that.
What you?
You don't go do it.
No, not me.
I don't think I'd have fun withit, but I don't.
I'm not known.
What's the fix, charles Barkley?

Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
Oh, that'd be a blast .
I don't know, that might be alittle too much.

Speaker 1 (01:59:06):
No to me honestly like.
Put him in the booth, Put himup in the booth.

Speaker 3 (01:59:07):
The guy in the booth is getting better.
I still think it needs to be.
I don't know who he is.
I think you need two men.

Speaker 1 (01:59:12):
I think you need two people in there.

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
And again, it don't have to be two men, but it needs
to.
He's not saying a lot while theplayers are getting ready
because obviously it's clear theplayers can hear him all the
time.

Speaker 1 (01:59:29):
I don't think that's necessary, though that should be
something we should be able toflip back and forth, Because
here's the thing, If you do likein every other sport, they'll
do interviews from who knowswhere to a guy on the field and
they just kind of patch in atthat time.

Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
Yeah, like, why do we need to always?
But I think they're all hearingeach other and every like
everything you're hearing on tv.
I think they're all getting intheir ear the entire time yeah,
because you hear everybody getreally quiet.

Speaker 1 (01:59:52):
Necessary, you know, to an extent like there there's
plenty you could, because here'sthe thing, the booth is far
enough away too, and you're inan environment where sounds are
not the big issue, like if yougot talking in the background.

Speaker 2 (02:00:07):
Oh, well, well, they brought in like this is a
different.
Wyndham Clark was going to playAtlanta the second match, and
so he come in on the booth withthem and was talking and he kind
of talked some trash and JTcould hear it, so they kind of
had a little banter.

Speaker 1 (02:00:19):
So I'd be okay with that is like the guy that's not
playing.
If the fourth is there, put himup in the booth.
Put the other two fourths, butdo that more often.

Speaker 2 (02:00:26):
This is the first time we've really seen it, so
this was because they playedback-to-back.
He was getting ready to play.
That's right, so that's why hewas there.

Speaker 1 (02:00:33):
So I think we did see an argument there at the
beginning.
Well, these guys are so worriedabout TGL, what are they going
to do when it comes?
These guys are playing just asgood.
I mean, ludwig just won whatweek or two ago?
He's been in almost every match.
I mean they're not missing abeat, they're just going out
there and just still, maybe it'shelping, it could be.

Speaker 2 (02:00:53):
Maybe you think it's uh, relaxing, take your mind off
.

Speaker 1 (02:00:56):
I'd say it could be because it's for them.
It's not real golf, like it'scompetition, the fact of like
we're I'm competing with mybuddies, but it's in a much
different setting.
Like you said, you canobviously tell they're having
more fun.
It's just more like laid back,relaxed.

Speaker 2 (02:01:12):
You know I was worried and again they are just
relaxed.
But I was worried they wouldn'tcare.

Speaker 1 (02:01:17):
Oh, they're starting to care, like they want to beat
their buddies you know, it'slike like if me and you were on
there doing it, we still want tobeat each other.
No, exactly, no exactly.
I still don't want to lose soI'm going to still play.

Speaker 2 (02:01:26):
But, that's what I want it to be.
I don't want it to be like PGATour.
I want you to have fun.
No, I agree, I agree.
So Justin Thomas, I don't know,had a bet to chip something in
or something, and he's likeclosest to the pin for 10, and

(02:01:47):
if we hold it it's 100 and andso they threw somebody, threw a
hammer down and they declined itand the guys were like the guy
in the booth's, like jt, youstill gotta hit that.
We gotta see if you get youryeah, you got that.

Speaker 1 (02:01:52):
And he's like oh yeah , I gotta hit this.

Speaker 2 (02:01:54):
He's like can I, can I hit this and the guy's like
I'm telling you can't go ahead,yeah, why not?
But stuff like that make itmore fun.

Speaker 1 (02:01:59):
Like yeah, because here's the thing those guys bet
thousands upon thousands ofdollars when they're playing
each other.
Who was it recently was sayingI think it was JT.
He said Daniel Berger, which isnot a name most people know,
but there's a few courses thatevery single year he's going to
be top of the leaderboardbecause he just shines at those

(02:02:19):
and he's a solid, solid golfer.
He just a few times hadn'treally put it all there.
He said that man has more of mymoney than anybody I know.
I mean even like him and Spiethare best friends, ricky, like
they all play together.
But he said Berger has more, hehas beat me more and has my
money more than anybody else.
So they're betting nonstop.

Speaker 2 (02:02:38):
So like I always see that fun little stuff, keep
doing it.
Now I was curious.
He said 10 for closest 100, ifyou get it in.
Yeah, I played it off like itwas 10 bucks 100 bucks.

Speaker 1 (02:02:50):
I'm like I don't know about that, who knows?
I mean it probably was because,like they probably look bad to
be like.

Speaker 2 (02:02:55):
Yeah, 10 grand or 100 grand, like when he first said
it, I thought he ran, and thenthe guy who was he?
Betting.
I don't even remember who wassomebody.
They were both in the bunkernext to each other.

Speaker 1 (02:03:04):
I think, Because I'm just wondering, like if him and
Tiger are messing around doingthat, yeah, they can both throw
that money and it's nothing.
I don't remember which guy itwas.
There's some of those guys like, yeah, they got it, but not to
just lose it on a bet, Likethat's a little different.
Yeah, oh, for me, If we say $10or $100, we're talking $0.10 or
$0.100.
We're not talking dollars atthat point.

Speaker 2 (02:03:26):
We're talking a dime or a dollar.
I guarantee it.
We do it all the time.

Speaker 1 (02:03:30):
When we go play golf, get to a par 3, close to the
pin it's a dollar.
We've done that for averagebecause it's a fun little silly
thing we can do.
I'll be honest with you.
There's plenty of times nobodywins because none of us hit it
on the green.
Yeah, you've got to hit it onthe green.
We've done that plenty, orsomebody will win, and it's like
just barely on and we're all upthere arguing no, it's on the
fringe, it's not actually on,but again, it's just something
stupid to make it a little morefun.

Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
Because whoever hits last, you get up there and you
go dang nobody hit the green.
All I've got to do is put this.
And then I hadn't watched thematch yet, but I saw the clip
and we talked about it whereTiger's teammates say oh, it's
99, and he hits a 100-yard shotand it was 199.

Speaker 1 (02:04:09):
No, here's the thing he didn't hit a 100-yard shot,
he hit a 99-yard shot.
They said hit at 99.
He said all right, and hewasn't looking at it.
Because that's the thing ingolf If you've never really
watched high level golf, theykind of assume you know the
first number, like if you'rereally far away and it's
ultimately 250, if they say 50,they kind of expect you to know.

Speaker 2 (02:04:36):
Okay, we're talking two in the front, especially in
the hundreds.
I could see if you're 250, okay.
Are they saying 150, 250?
Like what are they saying?

Speaker 1 (02:04:43):
I could see that a little bit because it's still
far away, these guys as much asthey do, especially on a course
Not talking about the screen,but on a course.
Even I can look at it and saythat's more than two.

Speaker 2 (02:04:54):
But I feel like, even looking at that huge screen,
tiger should have looked at itand said that's not 99 yards.

Speaker 1 (02:04:59):
But here's the thing that I say that Tiger should
have really known If it was 99yards, you hit from the front
tee box, you don't hit from theback.
I didn't know that Inside of130, you go up front.
I didn't know when you went upfront, so I'm like all right,
well, automatically, if you'rehitting from the back one, you
should know it can't be 99.
It's got to be at least 199.

Speaker 2 (02:05:20):
It's, I saw.
He's like.
You see 99, though, yeah, 99.
He goes up there and you hearhim in the side going what's the
guy?
He's got a wedge, what is hedoing?
Yeah, and he hits it and theyjust start rolling on the ground
.

Speaker 1 (02:05:30):
Nobody thought to stop him either, like nobody was
.
Like it's tiger.

Speaker 2 (02:05:33):
Are you gonna stop tiger?

Speaker 1 (02:05:35):
I mean these guys.
These guys are a lot closer tohim now than what he used to be
when he was in his prime, likehe was kind of lone wolf style
but he's kind of really broughta lot of those because a lot of
these, especially the youngerguys, they'll win a tournament
is like tiger takes me and likeyou can see the excitement
because it was like I finallygot recognized isn't that what
tiger is supposed to do for this100?
I think he's doing a great jobyeah, I think he's really

(02:05:56):
helping grow the little guys,because there's uh akshay batia
I don't even know if you everheard that.

Speaker 2 (02:06:01):
I do not know, not know who that is Upandcomer.

Speaker 1 (02:06:04):
Actually he just got signed with Good, good for
apparel, so he's, you know, withthe YouTube guys doing some of
that stuff.
So he said I was on the puttinggreen next to Tiger.
He said I couldn't putt.
He said I was shaking.
He's like this is my idol.
Like if you were into golf,that's who you aspire to be.
Like it's just the way it is.
And he's like he did somethingand tiger like cracked a joke at

(02:06:25):
him.
And he's like I'm good, I candie like I'm happy like it was
just one of those, like he, itwas just.
It was something so subtle, buthe was like tiger.
Woods saw me yeah, andacknowledged that I was here,
and then, especially, I remembercolinikawa, who a much bigger
name nowadays.
He's tailor-made sign, justlike Tiger, the first time he

(02:06:49):
won a major.
He's like the first text I gotwas Tiger and he was like that
was so cool.
It was just something like hecared enough to reach out to me.
Just be like, hey man, proud ofyou, Good job, you know
something simple, it's like andhe doesn't have to do that.

Speaker 2 (02:07:03):
Heck, no, it's.

Speaker 1 (02:07:04):
Tiger Woods.
He doesn't have to do anything,like he really doesn't have to
do anything, but I think he isreally being a good ambassador
to the younger group.

Speaker 2 (02:07:11):
He could just ride off into the sunset Because a
lot of sports that is not whathappens.

Speaker 1 (02:07:16):
The old guys are very much like these young guys.
Aren't taking my job.

Speaker 2 (02:07:20):
We talked about MJ, MJ.
I don't know that MJ does thatas much, even in the NBA.
Now that's a little furtherremoved, but he could do it.
But here's the thing we'vetalked about.
He's a NASCAR help.

Speaker 1 (02:07:29):
And we've talked about Kobe when he was still
alive.
Those were killers, man, thosementally like you don't think
Tiger had that mindset?
In his prime.
Yes, we're way beyond prime,even like Jordan late.
You didn't see that BecauseJordan was like no, I'm me.
Like no, I don't care how old Iam, you will not beat me,

(02:07:55):
period.
Like I talked about this withBrad and he was saying,
literally Jordan could make up alie in his head If you're
playing Jordan and you'reanywhere remotely on that and
he's like David's saying that Ican't score on him with my left
hand.
Yeah, and you're like I've neverspoke a word about the man.

(02:08:16):
He's going to keep that lie inhis head and he's going to then
go score on you with his lefthand and then be like I told you
I could do it and you're likewhat are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (02:08:23):
He just found something to turn him on Like
the same thing.

Speaker 1 (02:08:27):
Lebron doesn't have that.
He doesn't have that mentality.
Jordan is just.
He did not care to embarrassyou, your mama, your daddy, your
grandma.
He didn't care.
Like it was about, I'm going togo win period.

Speaker 2 (02:08:40):
Yeah, I think Tiger was probably somewhat like that,
but I don't know that he had tobe Golf's different.

Speaker 1 (02:08:47):
It's just different.
You don't have to have the samementality.
Now again, tiger, if he doesn'thave the mentality and the
mental fortitude that he has, hewouldn't be where he's at.
Like, you have to be something.
But I don't think it's the sameas some of the other sports.

Speaker 2 (02:09:02):
You know, obviously we don't promote really much of
anything on here, but I wouldencourage, if people don't know
golf, or go watch tgo, becauseit's different, it's not like
watching golf and I am going tofollow these guys more,
especially atlanta, since Ibecome a team well, you're
starting to get attachment tothem there's some personality
you're getting attached to, soit's like I want to go see him

(02:09:22):
do well somewhere else and a lotof these guys like take Tommy
Fleetwood.
I knew Tommy Fleetwood, I seehim on the golf course.

Speaker 1 (02:09:27):
Right, this is a different.

Speaker 2 (02:09:29):
Tommy Fleetwood.
You didn't know really anythingabout him, no, and now you're
starting to see these guys, oh,here's the thing.
I can tell you all kinds ofthings about Tommy.
Yeah, saw him, didn't know muchabout him.
He's got some personality, hedoes um, but you don't see that
other have you got to watch tomkim much yet?
Uh on tiger's team one.

(02:09:51):
Yes, you'll fall in love withhim too he's just another one,
he's calling was great.

Speaker 1 (02:09:56):
More cow has way more than people realized.
Yeah, because so when I firststarted watching more cow on
tour and I'm like man, thisguy's good but he's just he's
cold, like he didn't really haveanything and then team taylor
made started posting someyoutube stuff and you got to see
kind of him just goofing offwith the guys.
It's like, oh okay, so he is.

Speaker 2 (02:10:13):
No, he's not a robot like you kind of get some.
I thought it was funny.
Attachment to him one of thematches he was on and, um, it's
before they changed the hammerrule and they got the hammer in
there.
Hey, what's your strategy?
The hammer wouldn't even and hethe what's the guy's name,
maddie or whatever, in the um,up at the booth or whatever.
Yeah, and he's like, don'tworry about it, maddie, I'm the
brains of this operation here.

Speaker 1 (02:10:33):
Yeah, just a little, something small but just

(02:10:54):
throwing.
Say like if golf is not yourthing, that's quite all right.
Golf is not a lot of people'sthing.
But what we've seen like likeout it for you golf, when you
come out there and you try itand you get, just have fun and
goof off and it's not thisserious like I gotta know how to
play it.
It takes all that out of it,just makes it so much.

Speaker 2 (02:11:03):
What's the phrase?
It's not your grandpa's golf,or I don't know what do people
say?
You're not your daddy's golf,whatever.
Yeah, with the technology andstuff, it's different.

Speaker 1 (02:11:13):
You can still go play that golf.
Golf is great.
You talk about golf like youthink it's very stuffy, it's
country club, it's rich, it'sthis.
That's what's so great about.
Like it's changed so much Causelike when I was a kid, that's
what I thought of golf.

Speaker 2 (02:11:26):
I thought it was rich man snobby like never played in
our late twenties.

Speaker 1 (02:11:31):
Yeah, I mean, I started at 27.
Yeah.
Like that's crazy to thinkabout.

Speaker 2 (02:11:35):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:11:36):
Like really not been in it that long.

Speaker 2 (02:11:38):
I again.
They still got to fix it, butTGL might be the best thing PGA
Tour has done.

Speaker 1 (02:11:45):
Yeah, especially like they are proud to be, like, hey
, we're part of this, it's notjust something they're doing.

Speaker 2 (02:11:51):
We own part of this Because even before this we took
shots at them Like how are theygoing to get younger viewers?
They're stuck in their ways.

Speaker 1 (02:11:57):
I think it'll make it more exciting to get some of
the live guys involved, get someof that rivalry on top of it,
because these guys are stillbuddies.
They still play golf together.
Yeah, like some of these guysstill live next to each other.

Speaker 2 (02:12:09):
They.
They tried to make it like weall hate each other.
It's still.

Speaker 1 (02:12:13):
They're all still golfers there was some animosity
at the beginning.
I I definitely think so.
Some of them jumped ship when?

Speaker 2 (02:12:19):
yes, maybe they shouldn't have yet.

Speaker 1 (02:12:20):
Yes, yeah, but now it's not quite the same.
Like even somebody like rory,who was very openly against it,
has now more like you know, weneed reunification, we need you
know, yeah, he sees, and he evensaid he's like, looking at what
I made my career before liveand post live, he's like I'm
only making the money I'm makingnow because of them.

(02:12:40):
He's like he's recognizing itwas it wasn't so bad as
everybody said it was.
Yeah, it just looked bad,absolutely, absolutely.
Well, listen, that was we're.
We're we covered about everysport tonight.
We talked soccer at one point,which we've not done.
We did soccer and hockey.

Speaker 3 (02:12:59):
We got some football and basketball and only thing we
didn't do is baseball.

Speaker 1 (02:13:02):
Baseball's coming up.

Speaker 2 (02:13:03):
We'll, we'll definitely get into baseball,
more especially as we get intomarch opening day some of that
stuff, this music, because wegot some come uh, I want to say
rock music.
It's like older rock musicplaying now oh, yeah, uh but.
But I want to bring this upbecause we talked about it the
post malone with nirvana on uhsaturday night live yeah yeah
and I didn't realize that youwere talking about how Post
Malone can sing anything.

(02:13:24):
He's so freaking talented.
When I saw that with him inNirvana I thought that is good.

Speaker 1 (02:13:28):
Yeah, we've seen him do a little bit of everything
and now seeing him do Nirvanaand doing it well, not just
doing it doing it.

Speaker 2 (02:13:35):
well, he's not somebody I would think I would
like doing anything.

Speaker 1 (02:13:38):
No, but I like a lot of his stuff.
I really do, I really do, Ireally do.
He's just super, super talented.

Speaker 2 (02:13:44):
Yeah.
So I just hey, if you haven'tseen that, check that out, and I
do want to.
I'll throw one thing in here.
Brian did agree with me on theSlim Jim issue, by the way, so
you can say you don't have noissues with Slim Jims, but it's
a real thing.

Speaker 1 (02:13:55):
I've never had an issue.

Speaker 2 (02:13:58):
Well, I know, Just because listen.
Just because two people areincompetent doesn't mean it's
across the board, Brian said Ithink he texted me or messaged
me something and he said he gota Slim Jim while he was working
and he had to literally take hisbox cutter to get it open
because it wouldn't get him open.
Because when you rip it apart,like half of it rips and half of
it don't.
It's a real thing.

(02:14:19):
I literally grab it grab it,tear it and eat it.
So, period, I just wanteverybody to know don't let
tyler make you feel lesser of aman because you can't open a
slim.
Okay, it is a real.

Speaker 1 (02:14:29):
I can't help that you're inadequate when it comes
to opening a slim, jim.
Like I said, just because twopeople are incompetent doesn't
mean it's difficult just meansyou're incompetent.

Speaker 2 (02:14:39):
It just means you don't eat many slim jims to run
into the problem ones.
That's what it means becauseit's.

Speaker 1 (02:14:44):
I mean, I've had a lot over my life, but I can't
think of like I've had to usesomething else to open it it's a
thing, some what's weird issome of them I'll open and like
the top will rip and it won'topen.

Speaker 2 (02:14:53):
And I flip it upside down, it opens, fine.
It's like I don't know.
It's weird.
Anyhow, it's been a long onthat note I'm hungry that
breaking news.
I'm just saying it is a thingon that, I was so quick to, or
you were so quick to be like Iain't never had a problem.
Well, I haven't.

Speaker 1 (02:15:08):
It's a thing I still haven't.
It's a thing.
Well, on that, appreciate youguys being with us.
We've had a lot of fun tonight.
I hope you guys are enjoying itand we will see you next week.
Thank you for listening you.

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