Remote Work, Golf Gimmicks, and Viral Video Buzz

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
welcome back to the not a music podcast.
I am tyler and I'm here withdavid.
Welcome back to the Not A MusicPodcast.
I am Tyler and I'm here withDavid.

(00:25):
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it's well.
It was january right now and itwas 68 today.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Oh, it felt amazing today awesome you know, last
week and it's January right now,and it was 68 today.
Oh, it felt amazing today.
It was awesome.
You know, last week, my hate itwas the cold weather, and it's
like somebody heard me.
It's like we're changing this.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
The world listened to you and was like, yeah, we got
you.
Just stand by, thank you, we'llpick it up.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
We're already over.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
The problem is, though we kind of see this every
year you get this little teaseof spring, and then you'll get
another little drop in coldweather and everybody gets sick
and your sinuses go crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
One time it'll do it like five times.

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Oh yeah, well especially western north
carolina.
Like we'll go through a dayyou'll have all four seasons.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, like just it's awful awful awful but I'm ready
for summer me too.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Me too.
I'm ready to be on a golfcourse.
I'm so ready for that that.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Hey, I saw the weather next week had a couple
warm days and that first thingin my mind was like can golf
courses open right now?

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, I mean I know a couple.
Yeah, I know a few people wecan call.
I mean we've had a fewconnections.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Might not be a bad idea.
No, I'm all for it.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Give Paul and Will a call and say let's go hit the
course.
You know they will.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
They will.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
You know they will.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
I just have to be able to wear shorts.
It's just got to be warm enoughfor that.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Dear Lord, back to that.
It's okay to wear pants.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
I mean yes, but not play golf.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
That's weird, no, we talked about this, so you're Liv
, not PGA.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
I'm all about Liv.
Yeah, we've talked about this alittle bit.
I just have never found golfpants that are comfortable, and
that's what it comes down to.
I don't feel comfortable.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Good thing.
I know a place you can buy some.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Who's that?
For you, Golf you can you meanthey have pants too?

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Yeah, so that's the one thing.
Like we've ordered so muchstuff so obviously For you.
Golf carries Cobra, puma lineof stuff as well as Callaway.
We've gotten so many things andwe've yet to order any shorts
or pants.
I know I'm like why?

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, we had you know a few shirts there last year
and that went really well.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah absolutely.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
We had a lot of shirts, but Hurricane kind of
slowed up the shop a little bit,for sure, for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
But that's coming back, coming back very, very
soon.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Very soon.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
So Very, very soon, Very soon.
So looking forward to that, Yep.
So I want to start the week off.
We I guess mistakenly, morethan anything made a post that
people really got behind.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I think Brian had all intentions.
He knew what was happening.
Oh no, brian, listen.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Brian's doing fantastic.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
He was on it.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
This is not a like Brian accidentally made it good.
It was just the fact that oursocial media has not gone crazy
or had anything that just had aton of views.
I mean, you know, we're gettingjust the normal stuff.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Brian hit some nerves .

Speaker 1 (03:32):
He did.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Now I have to say, if you haven't seen it it's on Not
Amused Facebook.
I don't know if it's onInstagram or not, not Amused
podcast Facebook page.
Yeah, and it's Kevin Hartbasically making fun of Patrick
Mahomes and how he has to tacklehow you got to tackle him.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Well, so the caption on the video is the NFL showing
the Bills how they need to sackPatrick Mahomes if they don't
want to get penalized.
So obviously, if it's KevinHart, it's going to be something
funny.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
It was funny.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
And they go through this whole thing, and it was.
It's a really, really funnyvideo, but it kind of just
started getting a bunch ofinformation and so me and some
dude- from from, uh, chicago aremessaging back and forth.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
I thought y'all was gonna fight there at one point.
No, I mean so he, he is uh.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
So we're gonna shout you out rewill his very first
post.
Josh gets more calls thananyone in the league and I
didn't know off the top of myhead.
So when you go look at it, joshAllen gets more roughing the
passer calls per pass attemptthan anyone in the league.
And so I looked at that and I'mlike okay, cool, I agree with
that.
Except then I also agreed withDan, who later on says it's not

(04:43):
the amount, it's the timing, andit feels like that was the most
accurate.
I've seen somebody say it init's not that the Chiefs get a
bunch of calls, it's when theyget them, it's when they get
them and I don't think this weekwas any different.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Oh my God, I keep seeing clips and I've seen.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
And it gets worse every time.
I see it it does.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Um, you know a friend of ours, marcus yeah, asked me
today well, who you got winningsuper bowl chiefs?
He's like oh, I don't want them.
I said I don't want them to win.
I don't either.
They're gonna win like I.
I just expect it with whatwe've seen and what it feels
like I think they're gonna winyeah they're gonna get the calls
they haven't announced who theofficiating crew is.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Um, because there's been a few crews this year for
them that have been very, verybiased.
And it's getting worse becauseyou keep having these Chiefs
players that are like, well,we're just about winning, the
refs aren't helping us, and it'slike, of course, you're going
to say that you don't need to bethe one to say that.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Well, if the refs are helping them anyway and I'm not
saying they are it kind offeels weird at times.
Okay, I'm saying it does?
The players may not know it.
They may be out there literallyplaying and just doing our best
.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
At some point, though , you have to step back and say
we're getting some help, We'vegotten some pretty favorable
stuff go our way.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
We talked about it before we started recording here
and the third and fourth downthat they called short both of
them even a Chiefs player has togo back and look at that and go
.
Okay, wait a minute that wasquestionable.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
To me, the third down was more than anything.
To me, the fourth down was hardto see.
The third down.
He looks like he's, at worst,inches inches short and they
marked him almost a yard shortand I was like that that's a bad
.
I thought that with that one.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
And then when I saw a still picture of the fourth
down play and there's a Lymanlane on the yardage marker and
you can see the ball above theLyman, so you can kind of get a
reference point by where theline crosses the Lyman's body
Correct, and for that view gaveme the point I can see he got,

(06:50):
he got past that lineman's bodywhere he's laying on the line.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
so here, here's something I found and it says
the bills didn't do enough towin in the end.
But and there's five basicallykey areas that they say the
chiefs were basically givenpreferential treatment.
Okay, so the first one says thepass to Worthy, that hit the
ground, that was a pick, wasn'ta pick.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
The one they were fighting over.
I saw that.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
That did hit the ground, so I'm not sure if the
ground moved it.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
That was a questionable one.
I was watching that live and Ithought it was a pick.
Yeah, so I guess, he kind ofripped it in the air.
I do hate the rule where it'syou know.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Basically, if they both have it, it automatically
goes to the offense.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
That doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
In what way?
Like that's an odd one to me.
And then it says I did see this.
There should have been a delay,a game at the two-minute
warning.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
I saw that too.
The play clock.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yep and the game clock half a second difference.
It was half a second, but theplay clock ended before it got
to two in the morning.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Did you see?
Mahomes went over and talked tothe official about it
beforehand.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
That's one of the easy ones Visually.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
No, You've got to run a play because it's not going
to work, Tony Romo or whoever Ithink that's who it was called,
I can't remember.
He did make the comment thatthe NFL does allow it when it's
like half second, like almostthe same To me if one goes zero
before the other goes zero, it'sa delay game.
It's a delay game, it is.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
It's pretty simple.
So then you have Kelseytaunting Hamlin.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
I saw that too.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Kelsey gets in Hamlin's face and then plays
victim by flopping and it's likeall right, like either man up
and go be in somebody's face orjust don't do it Like pick it I
don't care which one you do, butjust pick it.
Multiple holds on Casey's puntreturn.
I didn't see those.
I didn't really pay attentionto that very much.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
I did see a video of some holds, a couple.
Even I was like I don't know ifthat's a hole there.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
But then there was a couple that I I would agree with
.
Well, there there was a coupleof uh holds from some tackles on
some defensive ends that I'mlike how do we miss that?
Uh, one guy just blatantlygrabs his face mask and they
didn't do a hands to the faceand I'm like that was right in
front of the officials likewhere are we missing these
things at?
And then obviously the fifthone was the fourth down where
the top line judge comes through.

(09:08):
Actually has it almost a yardforward.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
He has it as a first down.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Runs around, a Chiefs player goes backwards, still
has his first down and yet theother guy on the other end of
the field that can't see theball ultimately overruled.
He overruled.
So there's just too much weirdfor me that goes into this, and
you know obviously we weremaking comments about Mahomes.
Anytime it's a quarterback,you're going to just notice that

(09:32):
kind of stuff more.
They're the most recognizedplayer on the field.
You build your team around aquarterback basically, but the
Chiefs as a whole feel like theyjust get quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
It does seem that way , and that's such a hot topic
apparently that we found outwith the post and I didn't know
that post had went up.
And my phone just startsdinging and dinging.
Yes, the next thing I know Isee somebody kind of arguing
with what you said and you goback and then I get to looking
and there are so many comments.
Yeah, and there are peoplearguing with each other.
I threw in a comment justtrying to get somebody to argue

(10:03):
with me and they didn't, theycouldn't no, they like to argue
with me, but they don't know.
I'm not sure what that was aboutI mean, come on, I want to
argue, guys, but um, I should Ishould?
I'll go back and argue with youokay, I'll go back and just be
like no, you're dumb, we'regonna have like 20 of just you,
and I just mean you back andforth no, I did see this and I
thought this was funny.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
This is a different um post.
I'd seen uh from twitter and Ireally laughed at it, because me
and you've talked about thisand I want to stop you real
quick, just and I don't mean to,because this is something I've
been thinking about this week.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Is it twitter for you , because I'm starting to see
people move over to x I justcall it twitter because that's
what I'm used to.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
It just feels weird to call it x.
I've said like I understandit's the X platform, but then
you still people say you'retweeting and I'm like, well, you
can't tweet on X.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
You tweet on Twitter.
Are you X-ing?
I don't know what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I just guess I naturally do it.
I've said X a couple of times,trying to honestly just say it
and don't think about it, Iguess I'm gonna say twitter,
whatever.
So it's sorry, sorry I'll callit x I'm not calling it x, no,
it's, it's twitter.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Well, elon, you can call him and complain I.
I can't control when I try toyourself, so I know I know I I
do go back and forth, thoughI'll say it both ways.
I depends if I think about itor not, like when I'm just
spitting it out.
I kind of just naturally go tothe old.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Maybe it'll be.
We tweet on X, like we can keepthe tweet part, but maybe we'll
try to call it X.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
And then here in like 10 years, everybody's like why
do they call it tweet on X, Likeall?
these young kids are like why dothey do that?
Well, so I saw this post andyou were very adamant about this
.
It's been a few.

(11:48):
Read it exactly to you.
I haven't said this to you, youhaven't seen it, that I know of
.
Still amazing that a leaguewith $22 billion in annual
revenue measures first downs in2025 with two refs figuring out
where to spot the ball from 25yards away and a couple of guys
with two sticks and a chain 100%I don't know who put that on
there, you like it.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
They're amazing.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Andrew Brandt.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Andrew Brandt, that is 100, right.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
I've been saying it forever so I had I had to
screenshot that and save it.
I was like I've got to readthis to him because you were
very adamant he must have heardmaybe a month ago, I can't
remember exactly, but it was oneof those things.
It's like we were talking aboutum what'd you say, andrew right
?

Speaker 2 (12:21):
andrew alston, you're checking the mail.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
thanks for bringing we were talking about robot
umpires and we talked aboutwhere can technology come in,
and that was one of those thatI'm like yeah, that's a
no-brainer At that point we cantake the officials out of it,
because this is one of those.
You know.
I had a discussion with Willand we talked about baseball.
Part of it with baseball likegetting calls wrong sometimes.

(12:47):
It's kind of part of the magicof baseball, like like the fact
that different umpires haveslightly different it is, but I
don't like it like I want thetwo teams to decide.
I don't mind you having aslightly different strike zone,
because you figure that outpretty quickly in a game if you,
if you allow an extra half inchcompared to the guy before, but
if you say that, then you gotto be okay with officials in
basketball officiating a littletighter or looser in games.

(13:08):
And so I don't like it.
I think it depends on on thearea.
So, growing up playingbasketball, playing at all the
levels that I did, I liked areferee that would allow posts
to play physical where they're.
You know, you can post up hard,you can, you can post up hard,
you can, you can bang, do allthese things.
And it's not like if somebody'sphysical to me, I don't care.

(13:29):
Like be physical, that's part,that's part of the game supposed
to be.
But when it's like every timeyou touch each other they're
calling it's like all right,that's, that's a little bit much
.
But at the same time, if youtell me before the game, here's
how we're gonna do it, okay, Ikind of, I kind of know.
I'm with that Part of it'sknowing, I guess, is the big
thing.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
But that's my thing with umpires in baseball or even
the chains.
We've talked about theofficials running up and down
the field trying to get the spotRight.
Some are probably better at itthan others.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
I guarantee.
So I just the thing that alwaysseems to use me is punts.
Yes, yes, how do you know wherethat punt went out?
Yeah, like that.
That makes no sense, likeyou're seeing a ball 50 yards
down the field.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Oh my gosh, so watching that game.
I had forgot about this becauseI ain't been watching much nfl
I I love the playoffs, thoughplayoffs are just a different oh
my, they have ruined thekickoff um, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
I thought that at the beginning of the season like
what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (14:20):
I'm not a fan of the kickoff I forgot about it
because I hadn't watched the NFLmuch lately.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Why are they lining up this way?
Well?

Speaker 2 (14:25):
when I do watch it, it's usually in the middle of
the game and I'm not justsitting there so focused on it.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
I catch every detail Kind of just more in the
background.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah but for some reason it caught my attention
this week and I went oh my gosh,I forgot about this.
What are we doing?

Speaker 1 (14:38):
That's football.
It's weird to me that we'reseeing college still doing the
traditional kickoff and then yougo to NFL, which is supposed to
be more difficult.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
It's the best of the best and we're saying, hey, you
can't do that.
I'm okay with what college didwith the fair catches and
different things to keep thecollisions.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Some of them are unnecessary, but the way the NFL
is you can't move until theball hits the ground.
Yeah, it's just, I don't know,and you can only have two
players back there in that zone.
I feel like we're controllingsomething that, so I get it the.
The issue is you had a coupleof injuries, a couple of pretty
bad injuries over how many years?
But doesn't that just been morerecent?

Speaker 2 (15:23):
I feel like that just looks stupid, like if we're
going to get to this point, justno more kickoffs.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Listen, I can't say much as a Cowboys fan if we're
going to talk about lookingstupid.
We've Listen.
I told Dad this the Cowboyshave officially missed the 2026
playoffs.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Already.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, did you see the coach hire?

Speaker 2 (15:47):
I did yeah, playoffs already.
Yeah, did you see the coachhire?
I did yeah, what are they?
Are you kidding me?
Isn't the cowboys one of thosethat can go get anybody they?

Speaker 1 (15:51):
want, you would think , and we hire.
I didn't want sanders, but I'dhave been okay better than that.
I want to say I'll be.
I'll be honest with you.
I don't remember if he's anoffense or defense coordinator,
but here's the problem.
He was on our team this pastyear.
Our offense couldn't score andour defense couldn't stop
anybody.
So why the heck are we hiring?

Speaker 2 (16:05):
the guy that can't do either.
Man, we can't do anything.
Let's fire the head coach andpromote the guy under him.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Promote the guy that couldn't do anything Like what
are we doing here?
Like you know, as a lifelongCowboys fan born in Dallas,
texas, jerry Jones, you arefailing Like I just can't.
I can't understand.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Well, while we're on football too, and we've been
talking about Mahomes and allthis stuff and I do want to get
your thoughts on, you know, theSuper Bowl and everything that's
come up there but somethingelse that's been controversial
and it comes into Mahomes.
We've talked about his fakesliding and sliding all this
stuff.
Yeah.

(16:47):
And I've been really thinkingabout it this week and I saw it
in those games again and I'm onthe wagon now.
If you cross that line, you'rea runner, you're running back,
you're fair game.
That's what it needs to be.
So Tom Brady said that it needsto be 100%.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
The non-mobile guy that when he took off got laid
out many times.
He says to me once you take offrunning, you're like everybody
else, you shouldn't getpreferential treatment.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
When you hand the ball to a running back, he has
no special treatment at all.
It should be the same thing.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, I don't like the fact that.
Well, so one.
It's football, it's supposed tobe physical.
The problem is you can tackle aquarterback in college any way
you want you get to the NFL,well, you can't drag them down,
you can't land on them, youcan't like.
It's just, we're alreadyprotecting them so much.

(17:45):
And again I get it these aremulti-million dollar a year,
guys, you know tens of millions,because that's what you build
your team around and they don'twant to see all these guys get
injured.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
So then don't have him run the ball.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Be better Like build your offensive line, then Pay
those guys, yeah, I agree, Likeif you have a better offensive
line your quarterback doesn'tget hit as much.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yep like you're still gonna get sacked, but it's
gonna be less so.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Is the offensive line so bad that we got to protect
quarterbacks?
Now, is that what we've done?
I mean, that's partly.
I feel like we're prioritizingmobile and athletic quarterbacks
because people are gettingthrough more I'm, it's the fake
slides and all this stuffbothers me.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Or wait until last second to step out.
You don't see their theirreview.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
they're looking at making that a reviewable play.
They're looking at any slide bya quarterback is reviewable so
that if, like we saw two weeksago against Houston, Mahomes
goes to slide, the defenders hiteach other over top of him and
they throw a flag.
So they're saying stuff likethat.
It is polarizing enough thatthe league is saying, hey, maybe

(18:44):
in the offseason we vote toreview those.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
I don't want more reviews.
If you're back in the pocketand you get hit late, all right,
we'll get you some protection.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
So I don't want the reviews the way we do it now,
because it's it's off site.
You don't have to stop the game.
They can be viewing it as soonas it ends.
Yeah, and call it down like hey, nope that one's good, that has
helped that that's helped speedit up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
But I still.
If you're a big enough boy tostep across that line and run
the ball, take what you get.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
If you're brave enough to take off.
So I'm back and forth because Ido get it.
But a thing like this you losea quarterback in the NFL, your
season's effectively over,because I mean that's all they
have these guys Now, unlessyou're the Eagles, because you
give it to Barkley and he'sgoing to go for 1,000 yards.
I mean it's just, he's beenunbelievable this year, really

(19:35):
showing that pay a running backand you'll do better.
The Giants have got to bekicking themselves, but everyone
else, you put so much stockbehind the franchise guy that I
do see in a way protecting themsome.
I just almost feel like we'regetting a little out of hand,
but we're going a little too far.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
I'm okay protecting them, but then don't just let
them run free and they can't no,you can't hit them now.
That's my problem.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Part of it I don't like is the well if they're
giving themselves up out ofbounds.
We've already seen Mahomes fakethat.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Like he was going to go out of bounds and then ran
for like 15 more yards.
Now, to be fair, I've seenother players fake that out of
bounds too.
Oh.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
I have too.
It's not just quarterbacks,it's one of those that I have
seen, that and it's like.
But if you hit him, they'regoing to say unnecessary
roughness.
If you're still in the field ofplay and you've not gotten
yourself completely out ofbounds yet, you may be on the
way.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
But if you haven't stepped out, you should be hit.
Well, and at what point can thedefender not hit him?
And what I mean by that is isif I'm on the edge, like I could
stand right there on thesideline and just stand there
and you run at me and I waituntil you get two yards from me
and step out.
Well, you're already committed.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
You're laying me out.
That's one of those to me like,if it's, you know, it's almost
what they would say bang bang,play Like.
You may step out, but I'vealready, I've let myself go into
that you can't change yourmotion at that point.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
So they've got to figure out at what point can a
defender running full speedactually slow down?
Is it five yards away?

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, I don't know if I'd necessarily say there's a
yard part, because there's timeslike if a guy is kind of diving
down, you see them adjustthemselves and kind of roll over
instead of really just full onhitting somebody, or kind of
roll over instead of really justfull on hitting somebody, or
they may jump over at this pointif the guy goes down.
So there's some stuff that Ithink these guys are plenty

(21:36):
athletic enough to do, but it'sone of those that, like in
everything, there's the grayareas, and right now so many
people are living in that grayarea and getting the call, so
we're making that gray area moreblack and white than it should
be.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, and I'm getting tired of it in every sport, to
be honest with you, and you'realways going to have gray areas,
but it's you will.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
I mean, I saw part of the interesting thing of sports
.
Like we know, officials are notsupposed to be liked, but I
also.
They shouldn't be not liked.
No, but it's just the thingabout it.
An official, they blow awhistle.
If you are cheering for a teamthat gets a foul called on them
or a penalty called on them,you're never going to like it.

(22:19):
You're going to say that's abad call.
Heck, half the time fans sayit's a bad call when it was a
blatant call, I'm with you there.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
I say that all the time.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
You're not going to like the officials anyways, but
at the same time, you shouldn'tcontrol a game so much that I
know who you are as an official.
Knowing officials' names iscrazy to me, because I don't
feel like growing up I ever knewany of them.
And now it's like we know a lotof them in a lot of sports and
it's like, why do we know themat this point?

Speaker 2 (22:51):
yeah, we just shouldn't.
I'm okay with them being anacknowledgement.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
I appreciate what they do oh it's, I listen, I'll,
I'll badmouth an official allday long.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
I'm not going to do it and I am, I'm not, I'm not
the official type I'm a hundredpercent okay with some mistakes.
They're human, they're going tomake bad calls, they're going
to mess up.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
But part of that.
I think that's what makes someof the sports fun.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
But some of it feels, when the same guys keep making
these calls, almost feels like,okay, they're not just making
mistakes.
I see what you're saying.
There's some intent here forsomething.
I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
So I don't know that I necessarily think that for
something I don't know why Imean.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
So I don't know that I necessarily think that I think
some of them are just bad.
That could be true, likethey're just bad at their job.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
We should be able to get rid of you.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
If you're bad, yeah, like this whole unionized thing,
like I don't care about thatAgain, I'm going to go ahead and
say Kansas City, just becauseof the way everything's gone,
and I hate them.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
I don't want them to win.
It's hard for me again as aCowboys fan.
I watched this game last weekand the NFC is going to be
either the Cowboys or theCommanders or, excuse me, the
Eagles or the Commanders.
It's a Cowboy division team.
It's like I don't really wanteither of them.
Those are division rivalries.
But I do like jalen hurts.

(24:07):
There's something about him.
I've liked him for a long time.
Um, seeing him through college.
I mean he's just.
He's just a ball player man hegoes out there and he just plays
.
I would love to see him get hisfirst super bowl um, you know,
there a couple years ago gettingbeat.
I, I'm, I'm gonna go with theeagles.
That that's my selection.
I am excited that it's in NewOrleans.

(24:27):
That's a really good stadiumfor it.
It's a good Super Bowl town.
I think that's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
But I would love to see the Eagles go down there and
pick up a game.
Now.
Here's what's funny to me, andwe'll see what I'm doing.
I don't know how much of itI'll watch, to be honest with
you because I don't care thatmuch about either team.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
I think Kansas City's going to win.
I think viewership on it willbe very high Because it's kind
of like I said last week youeither are watching to cheer on
Kansas City, you're watching tocheer on the Eagles, or you're
watching hoping that Kansas Cityloses.
Yep, I mean because here's thething Kansas City has grown a
pretty big fan base.
That is pretty solid.

(25:09):
There's probably no better fanbase than Philadelphia fans in
any sport.
Those fans are crazy.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
They won it.
What a few years ago?
I can't remember what year itwas.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
It was before they got Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, I know it wasn't him.
I can't remember what year itwas, but they've had one not
that long ago.
Which Kansas City's had what?
How many?
Two straight?
They're going for three in arow.
Okay, I can't remember if therewas one or two.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
No, they're going for three in a row Because they're.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Isn't so isn't Andy Reid maybe the best Philadelphia
coach and the best Kansas Citycoach?
Something like that Quitepossibly.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Because you've got to think they're for a while.
I don't know about way backwhen the Eagles had Andy Reid
still the Donovan McNabb erathey went to the Super Bowl like
three straight years and lost,but they were there consistently
and again growing up as aCowboys fan some Tony Romo era
get to the playoffs couldn't wina game Couldn't win, yep.
It's like, man, I'm sick ofseeing the Eagles get there Like
we've got to do better,especially like you beat them in
the regular season but don'tbeat them.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Can't win a playoff game, yeah that was totally Romo
Losing to some teams thatshould not have lost to.
You know it'd be funny if theywouldn't let him do a playoff
game on here's the thing youcan't lose at the booth, maybe.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
I don't know and the thing about it is, statistically
he was a fantastic quarterback.
He was like during the regularseason.
He put up great numbers, veryfew turnovers, won ball games,
just could not.
Could not do anything inplayoffs, yeah it's frustrating
1995.
It's the last, last Super Bowlfor the Cowboys, and that's

(26:46):
that's a long time.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
I remember that yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
I was five years old so I don't remember it greatly,
but I do remember kind of that.
You're getting into sports more.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
I was in third grade, so I don't know exactly what I
was, but I was in third grade,gotcha, so a long long time ago.
Yeah, I mean gosh, I feel oldso you've done this to me last
week, so I'm gonna go and putyou on the spot right now.
Since we're talking aboutfootball, I gotta hate it right
now oh okay, because it's infootball.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
We're talking about football so for those of you
that don't know, we started asegment a couple weeks ago love
it and hate it.
Typically, david hates a lot ofthings, so it's really easy for
them to think of these hate it.
I'm not going to argue withthat.
I'm more of a just I likethings, I want to like things,
so I kind of just do no.

(27:36):
So it kind of fits.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
I am the voice of reason for the people.
Because everybody hates it.
But nobody will say it.
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
I'm telling you, we all hate everything so you don't
want to say you have, you havea hate it.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
I have a hate and I'm ready to hear it and this goes
it doesn't matter in falsefootball but I'm talking nfl,
college, whatever level, I don'tcare high school, whatever but
I am so sick, especially of guyswho's in college d1 big time
schools, nfl making millionsthat can't tackle anybody.

(28:07):
I've watched these games overand over and over and I'm like I
had youth players I used tocoach that could tackle better
than these guys.
Like, what are we doing anymorewith tackling football?
I hate it.
Guys will get hit five timesand just keep running.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, I mean there's some pretty famous plays of that
, I agree.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
It's ridiculous that a professional football player
can't tackle.
And I hate it.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
See, you know I'm right, you hate it too I mean I
don't, I don't hate it, becauseI mean it does make for some
highlights, it does make forsome fun plays.
Um, obviously, form tackling isnot common anymore.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Let's slap arm over there let's you know, give them
a little pat on the back as theygo by because we don't know how
to tackle, or let me put myhead down and slide beside him.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
You, let's keep running that is they just so
scared to get a penalty becauseeverything I feel like any big
hit anymore is penalized.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
I think they suck.
That's what it is so any of younfl players or formal nfl
players you suck is what I heard, david said yes, if you can't
tackle, if you tackle like Ikeep seeing on tv get good,
because I don't know it's it'sbeen going on for a while and it
just bothers me and bothers me,and bothers me.
And you see the like you sayyou see the big runs and it

(29:26):
looks like the running back orreceiver, whoever's running, it
just looks so good.
And you see the like you sayyou see the big runs and it
looks like the running back orreceiver, whoever's running, it
just looks so good.
And you go back and watch.
I'm like, yeah, they're prettygood, but five guys could attack
him if they just put two armson him.
Grabbed a hold of somethingwould have been that difficult.
I think it's like the um, howcollege basketball and the nba
before college basketball wentto like offensive shooting and

(29:46):
everything.
I think everybody's so focusedon scoring or making the big
highlight that all thefundamentals just gets put to
the side.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Scoring points in any sport basketball, football,
whatever it is that sellstickets, that's a good tackle A
3-0 game, nothing game.
Everybody's gonna sit back andsay that was boring.
We're just so you, this whole.
You know reels and tiktok, likeeverything.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Like we don't have the attention span, so maybe
that's part maybe I would becurious to hear from somebody
that knows what are we doing?
Different tackling and I knowat one point uh, even I think
urban, my ohio state, wasteaching that other kind of what
.
Does it grab and twist and tryto pull them down, or so I don't
know something weird, insteadof just wrap your man up and

(30:38):
tackle them?
So I want I don't know ifthey're trying to teach a
different style.
Maybe it's injuries, maybe it'sthey don't care about tackling
as much anymore, they don'tteach it as much.
I don't know what it is, but tosee guys at these levels miss
the tackles they miss is justpretty furiating at times.
To be honest with you, one ofyour words furiating.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
It's a big old word.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Infuriating.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Infuriating.
So you know you're quarterbackcoaching here.
You're just fed up with it.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
I you know you're quarterback coaching here.
You're just.
You're fed up with it.
I'm fed up with it.
You're couch coaching, I'msorry.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Whatever you want to call it, just tackle Well.
So my love it for the week andI've been thinking about it a
little bit kind of all week,kind of back and forth, it'll be
a little sappy.
No, so my love it for the weekis we're on episode 11, I

(31:31):
believe Yep, as a small podcast,as two unknown people basically
when it comes to this world.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
I love.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Speak for yourself.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Okay, I'm going to first trip up on there.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
You think, whatever you need to think, I love this
small little fan base that hasalready started to form for us.
That is super, super supportive.
I I love hearing you know,getting a, getting a text
message or getting somethingthat's like, hey, we, we thought
this was hilarious or we lovethis.

(32:07):
Or seeing you know someFacebook stuff, see some
Instagram stuff, and it feelslike it's the same people all
the time and and again.
This is not like our parentsand our wives, like it's it's
been.
You know people, some peoplethat I didn't think would ever
listen.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
I think you said your parents don't listen.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
So uh, my dad barely knows how to use technology, so
that's a little different.
Um, you know my brother's big,big fan of the show.
Um, our buddy, will you knowour buddy, paul, like all these
guys that they, when we firsttalked about us doing it james,
by the way oh, jay, yes,absolutely, james listens see I
got you, james, I got you yeah,this after you talked crap about

(32:43):
it last week, so I didn't comeon now I got a reminder of that
I got your neighbor.
So just hearing some of thestuff from them that when we
originally talked about it,they're like, yeah, I mean you
guys could probably do that, andit wasn't that they were not
supportive, it's just theydidn't really know.
And then getting to do it andit's like, oh yeah, it's
actually been a lot, a lot morefun and and kind of better than

(33:06):
what what they anticipate itbeing Um obviously I still don't
know how good it is, but somepeople seem to enjoy a little
bit.
Yeah, I just think so far, likewe're, we're having some fun
with it and really seeing seeingsome growth with it, and I've
loved to see, even just in theseyou know 10, 11 weeks, how much
it's gone from the start.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
It's continuing to grow.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
I'm loving that and I'm loving to think about six
months from now.
Where would we be?

Speaker 2 (33:33):
See, I can agree with your love it.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, but then you'll have some negative about it.
At some point You'll be like,yeah, but I could do without
Will or I could do withoutsomebody.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Why did you pick out Will?
Just because he does the threeclicks?
Why did you pick out Will?
Just because he does the threeclicks?

Speaker 1 (33:46):
That doesn't mean anything, Mainly because every
time we see Will he makes fun ofyou about ham sandwiches he
does.
So I figured that would be thefirst one.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Since you brought it up, I'm going to clear it up
right now.
Okay, clear this up, becausethis has been running rampant.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Okay, so here's the thing you can say.
You're going to clear it up.
It's not.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
I mean I can anyways.
So I like ham sandwiches.
The conversation we had wastalking about like the ham you
bake for Christmas and gettingrolls and putting that on it.
I don't want to put that ham onany kind of bread.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Now, if you go to the deli and get some lunch meat
ham.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
I'll make a ham sandwich, put some cheese on
there, some Miracle Whip.
I'm good to go, but don't betaking the good.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Christmas ham and putting it on bread.
That's a waste.
Christmas ham on a Hawaiianroll Like that's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
No, you just ruined it.
See, there you go.
You ruined everything.
That's the way it is.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Oh, dear lord, why do I put up with you some days?

Speaker 2 (34:40):
I'm not really sure, just need you and just sit over
here and talk by myself well,you know, I thought I was gonna
get that last week, but yourvoice came back and yeah, it's a
little bit better.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
I did, I say that and there I cough.
Yeah, it's gotten a little bitbetter, so a little scratchy,
but I think it's all this timeof year.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, this time of year gets me every year because
I noticed when I listened to thepodcast back, I'm like man, I
gotta get some cough drops orsomething, didn't realize,
realize, I was as bad as I was.
Yeah it's, you know, like yousaid, the weather and the I
don't know dry air or whateveryou want to call it.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Well, I know there's a few of you that like that we
talk about this next topic everyweek, and a few that you're
like I don't even know what thatis.
So TGL, tomorrow Golf League,had the two founders playing
against each other this week.
They did.
You had Tiger Woods and theJupiter team against Rory

(35:34):
McIlroy and the Boston team.
Yep, and it's the first weekwe've had a close match that it
actually went into overtime andwas decided in overtime, because
all the other weeks have justbeen absolute blowouts.
Yep, I'm going to tell youright now.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
I don't like overtime .
You don't like overtime, Idon't like overtime?

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Of course you don't.
No, here we are.
I mean, we just started thetopic.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
It wasn't good.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Why do you think that ?

Speaker 2 (36:00):
I was in a meeting Monday evening and didn't get to
watch it.
And I came home and I realizedI'd missed it and so I got on
YouTube TV, shout out YouTube TV.
I love YouTube TV and it wascoming back on again at 1.30 in
the morning.
So I set my thing to record itand the next night I had a
little time.
I'm like, okay, I'm going towatch it back.

(36:21):
It was decent, I'm getting intoit.
I'll be honest with you.
I thought I'll turn it on whileI'm working on something else
and I ended up really watchingit.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
And that makes me happy, because I was so excited
about it and I'm like I needsomebody else to kind of feel
the way.
I'm kind of getting into it andyou're starting to come around.
I am.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
I'm excited about that Picked a team, yet Well, I
Atlanta, okay, so I'm stillleaning that way.
Nobody else is really, whichare so early.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah, we haven't really seen the guys much.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
I'm still leaning Atlanta right now I'll watch
them again.
I saw I was telling you aboutit like a triple match day.
It's like President's Day, it'son a Monday, which is going to
be really weird, right?
So yeah, I don't want to justjump through it, but you know
the the playoff is just theclosest to the pin yeah and a

(37:10):
couple of guys did horrible,like they couldn't even get it
over the little ridge on thegreen, so it wasn't even close.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
I I like the idea of the overtime that they do
because it's a we're not goingto drag this out.
We're going going to say hit itclose, you win, don't you lose.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
I wonder if it's something to do with that
artificial green, if it reallythrew a couple guys off, because
a couple of them kind of hitinto the little ridge on the
green and it never got over, andboth of them on Boston, it just
hit right into it and died.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
And the other two on Jupiter got it over.
It was over quick.
So I have seen they're taking alittle bit of time to get used
to this green.
I think it actually Spins alittle bit more than they expect
it to.
It's way more responsive To thespin that they Take.
A real green would be, you know, kind of hit it into the Hill,
let it bounce up and then kindof sit.
Instead it's kind of Taking allthe spin into the hill and just
dying.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
And dies yep.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
So I think as we go on, the guys will get a little
bit more used to it.
I love that.
Kevin Kisner weekly is nowbecoming the joke of the league.
You know he hits a ball andhe's you know.
If I hit it in the water onemore time, I'm just going to
I'll remove myself.
And water one more time yeah,I'm, I'm just gonna, I'll remove
myself.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
And then they quickly were like oh yeah, by the way,
you didn't hit the water, thatwas lava.
That was lava on this hole.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
I remember saying to go get that one yeah, and he's
like you know whatever samething, and so they're.
They're kind of finding theirlegs in a few things.
I still just need a two-manbroadcast booth.
I think that's what will really.
I think that could really makeit a big difference.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
So they've done a better job.
Hearing what the players said,I thought to to feel some of
that time and that empty space,but it's still.
You can hear the playerstalking a lot in the background
while there are other peopletalking.
I got you and that's.
It's really the moments thatthey're saying the funniest
stuff and kind of giving eachother a hard time, and so really
we're hearing it in the wrongtime.
We are okay.

(39:09):
There were some clips that cameout um last week, I guess it was
like a few days after yep, andthe clips were way more
entertaining than what theyactually had on tv yeah, I, I
agree with that and that's whatI want to see on on the
broadcast.
That's what they need.
Um, and it was funny, you knowyou, you said it went to
overtime and right Border alert.

(39:29):
If you.
I kind of mentioned a minuteago the Jupiter team won in
overtime, but so I recorded itand so I turned on record and I
don't know if I'd seen who wonor not.
I think maybe I did.
I can't remember, but you know,on ESPN it's showing a replay
at late at night, Right, butthey got a ticker at the bottom,
so I pull up this thing Whileit's coming on at the bottom,

(39:50):
Tiger's team pulls ahead to win.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
So it was an updated ticker for an old broadcast.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Yeah, so I'm like, if you turn this on, thinking okay
, I didn't watch this, I'm goingto see who won.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
And it ruined it for you right there.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
It would have ruined it immediately.
So, so I got to keep that inmind.
Anytime I record somethinglater games or anything I'm like
the ticker will ruin it.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
So I assume you're going to have a lot of people
that are going to pick Tiger'steam just because it's Tiger, I
think.
So You're going to flock andsay that's my team, that's kind
of why I don't want to.
I think that team could bereally good if they have their
three best.
So far they've not had theirthree best together.
Tom so far they've not hadtheir three best together.

(40:30):
Tom Kim was good.
If you have Tom Kim, tiger andMax Homa, that's a tough team.
Kevin Kisner's kind of broughtthat team down a little bit, but
I also at the same time love itbecause everybody's like that's
the everyday man, Like there'sa lot of people I mean it's been
shared everywhere at this point.
So Frankie Borelli from the4Play Barstool Sports Golf
Program.

(40:50):
He said Kevin Kisner's golfskill stays in the parking lot
when he walks into the arena.
And I'm like that's hilariousBecause, especially knowing
those two guys know each other,they're friends, they've played
a bunch together on somedifferent stuff as Barstool's
growing and Kevin Kisner'swhooped up on them plenty.
So it's just funny to see he'slike the rest of us when it
comes to that.
He's just a little more normal.

(41:11):
It's kind of funny to watch.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
They even get out there and practice ahead of time
, like during the day beforethese events, and we talked
about how some of them arestruggling with it.
My concern that I thought ofthis week do you think that
affects them when they get ontour on these events on the
weekends and they're back onreal greens and are they having
to change their game up?

Speaker 1 (41:30):
so much for this I don't think so, and I think
that's mainly because, dependingon what tournament they play in
, the conditions are sodifferent the the grass could be
a different type, the thelocation's different.
So the temperature, the weather, all that plays such a huge
part in it when, when you'retalking high level tournament

(41:51):
golf I would just hate to adjustmy game to the, the spin and
the field.
They're getting on this greenand then all of a sudden you
can't putt on the weekends theseguys play so many different
types of courses and and evensomebody like kevin kisner
several years ago said I go playthese tournaments, there's
probably only three or four Ithink I could win.
And he's saying not that, I'mnot saying that, I'm not going

(42:13):
to try and be in contention.
He just says there's certaingrass seed, there's certain
course conditions that justdon't suit my game.
Yeah, so, I think they play onso many different things and so
many different conditions.
I mean, a lot of these guyshave stuff at their home that's
artificial turf that they'repracticing putting on and

(42:35):
whatever.
Most of these guys havesimulators in their home, so I
don't think it's made that bigof a difference.
What I'd like to see is maybethe end of the season.
What are we going to see?
Did that play a bigger part?
Or did the extra travel play abigger part on these guys?
Or what is really going to bethe key factor?

(42:56):
Because, again, I'm curious tosee, not necessarily how this
year of TGL turns out.
What do we see next year?

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah, this is the beginning.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Who's the returning people?
Are we going to see it reallygrow, because they're already
talking about adding some liveguys, adding a few more teams
adding some arenas across thecountry.
So it's already planning ongrowing.
So I I think there's some goodthings they already do.
There's some really good thingsalready doing.
It's it's there's still a lotof people that you know why am I

(43:27):
seeing some simulator golfleague on tv?
You know that, just don'tunderstand.
But I think if you startwatching a little bit it's not
regular golf like you you'regetting to see something and I
don't want regular it's a lotfaster pace.
It's.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
It's very different so that goes to question.
Would this league be betterwithout your pga pros like have
guys that, like you, have longdrive guys that go play long
drive so off off the podcastlast week.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Me and you had kind of talked about it and I said
you know, maybe this would bemore entertaining if you had a
pro and two celebrities ordefinitely two pros and
celebrity, or you add just somedifferent personalities in here,
cause, like like I said lastweek and I think the week before
, golfers are not bigpersonality guys.
It's just not who they are.

(44:17):
Um, but you add in you know acouple of comedians or a couple
of.
You know these musicians thatare big golfers that people know
or really grab a couple ofYouTube guys?
Like, don't you know thesemusicians that are big golfers
that people know, or really graba couple of YouTube guys?
Like don't you know um Rorytalked about it this week
YouTube golf is both good andbad for the sport of golf
because it's you're getting thisfast paced, you're jumping

(44:40):
around like it's edited soyou're getting 40 minutes and
it's like a whole round.
So, compared to they justtalked about, how do you speed
up pace of play?
You know, the Farmers Openfinal round was five and a half
hours.
That's too long.
That's long.
I've been thinking more andmore.
For me give them golf cartsStop talking.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Stop with that.
Yeah, Put them in carts.
Speed it up.
Listen, I'm good.
I like the 15-hole format onthis, I'm good.
Hey, let's go to three-daytournaments instead of four,
like Liv did.
I don't need even when I goplay golf.
It's a commitment, especiallyif you go to a course and it's
kind of slow.
I mean you're there four orfive hours, Like that's a lot

(45:19):
for any sport.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
It's hard for me.
No other sport does thatBecause I get to the point that
I'm like crap, we're on hole 17.
I'm almost done.
I want to play more.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
But have the ability to play more if you want.
Don't play two 15-hole roundsor two 12-hole rounds instead of
making a round.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Here's the hard thing for me is I'm so in with golf
at this point.
If you then say, well, now therounds are 15, okay, then you
took some from me and I don'treally have time to go play
again, but I want to.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
So it's what you're saying.
Really tough um, do I really?

Speaker 1 (45:54):
care about the four day versus three day, not
necessarily.
I know a lot of people are veryanti three day because four
days just what it's been that'swhat aj does.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Nobody most people I don't want to say nobody, most
people cannot literally followall four days the way you would
like to, the way you would sitdown and follow a football game
or a basketball game.
It's just impossible.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
It's much more difficult to digest.
It's a very different thing towatch To me.
I can watch four days of thegolf tournament and I'm happy.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
I have no issues but you probably don't have time.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
I have no issues that now I can't watch it from start
to finish because you'retalking.
Yeah, because here's the thing.
One you know the one person maytake five hours, but you're
talking 120 something man fieldson the first two days it's
probably eight hours worth of abroadcast.
Yeah, I don't have time to sitthere and watch all of it you
know um they used to have.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
what was it?
The joes versus Pros, orsomething like?

Speaker 1 (46:47):
that yeah, spike TV way back when.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Let's throw some random guys out there With them
on the simulator, do you think?
And I'm not going to say me,because I'm not- a very good
golfer.
But a decent golfer.
Could they be more equalized Onthe simulator?
Because these guys don't dothat all the time.
They're still not going to beas good, don't get me wrong, but
would it bridge the gap alittle bit?

Speaker 1 (47:10):
So obviously you know who the group Good, Good is
from YouTube.
They were fortunate enough withsome of their connections that
they have made as they've grown.
They played a match, the sameway that the teams are playing
on one of their YouTube channels, and they did horrible, Did

(47:30):
they?
These guys are all aroundscratch, if not better.
One of the guys in the group,Brad Dahlke, as an amateur,
played at the Masters.
I mean he's plus six handicap.
I mean he's good.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
So maybe the missed shots we're seeing with the pros
is even worse on your amateur.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
So the thing is the thing that was really a big
difference is these holes arestill long, longer than most
guys can really hit gotcha, okay.
So I mean, like for you you'renot a real long hitter most
carries on there, you're notgonna make like you don't have a
shot.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Let's throw some regular golfers in there and
give them, uh, the front tees orsomething.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
If they have the capability to do that.
Obviously they've made it forthese pros.
So there's not that now, butI'm sure they could easily do
that eventually to change up howit plays, all those things.
I'm not against that To me.
You're going to see they'regoing to struggle around the
greens because no amateur isnearly as good as the pros on

(48:29):
chip shots, on putting, likethose are things we take for
granted but they are so good atit.
They're so.
They just have so much touchand feel and they practice it so
much, and they're paid to dothat.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
But I would like to see this almost a different,
completely different thing Likeit run more than just this
couple of months.
Let it, more than just thiscouple months, let it be its own
league and you have guys whoplay in that league that's maybe
not on tour, and let them beindoor golf guys.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
I just think the hard part about that is you're only
going to draw attention to it byknowing who they are.
Well, I think, to start with,you got to have what they got
but I think, hope, as it goes on, they can but then, like I
don't want to, see it turn intothese guys, retire, and that's
what they go do, because thenyou're washed up.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
That could be.
I mean, you're not wrong aboutthat.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
So I don't know, I don't mind that it's the PGA
guys, I'm good with having PGAguys in there, but I think the
thing that makes most sense tome is let's bring in some
personality.
Bring in a good, good member onone of the teams.
Bring in um.
You know there's so many bigguys in the the YouTube golf

(49:34):
space anymore.
Um, actually we just had onemassive one, the biggest YouTube
golf channel actually justsigned a contract with live to
do content.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
I saw that, uh, rick Shields has been gosh, he's been
around forever.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Um, he just signed a contact with live and that's
does he remind you of yourbrother brad?

Speaker 2 (49:51):
uh, yeah yeah, I've told him that they look very
similar.
I think they got the sameaccent too, don't they?

Speaker 1 (49:58):
I don't think so I think you're.
You're mistaking for someoneelse, possibly because brad
doesn't have a british accentokay um, but yes, I've said that
for many years.
They look very, very similar,just like facial structure and
with the beard and everythingVery very similar.
Of course, brad's going to say Idon't see it, I'm way better
looking, but that's just part ofit.

(50:19):
But yeah, he did sign a bigcontract with Liv, so we'll see
how that turns out.
Obviously, liv needs more eyeson.
That's one thing they're goingto do better this year.
That will help.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
He gets a lot of attention.
He's partners with Top Tracer.
So I see a lot of his stuffbecause we obviously have Top
Tracer.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Correct, correct.
Yeah, he's been an ambassadorwith them for a few years now.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
But before we get away from it, I do want to ask
you, because we mentioned itbefore, we had a shot clock
violation.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
We did and I'm struggling with it.
It felt forced To me.
I didn't feel like it was real,like it's Tiger Woods, one of
the founders of the league.
It was really odd.
He walks up with nine secondsleft.
They have the heartbeat in thebackground that gets faster the
lower it gets.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
He knew it was low, but it was one to one, with four
holes to the play ofindividuals.
Yep, why do you do it there?
If you do it, like I could see,towards the end, trying to make
a close match, let's see if wecan send this to overtime for
the well, he's playing againstrory, the other founder.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
His team will give one back, like it.
It just felt like man for somany weeks we've talked about so
do you think?
That could have happened.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
I'm not gonna put it past that it's not fabricated
now I want to go watch the lastfour holes and see if I see
boston maybe see where they gaveone back, yeah, so again I got
to watch bits and pieces oh man,if that'll ruin it for me it's
been a very hectic week, a lot,of, a lot of stuff going on I
mean, I used to watch wrestlingknowing it wasn't 100 like it
was.
It's not fake, but it's uh,scripted, scripted, scripted not

(51:50):
fake.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
And I guess you're saying which, by the way, well,
the royal rumble is soon and I'mnot huge into wrestling anymore
like I used to be.
But royal rumble's fun.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
There's some of the big ones like that the rumble is
fun, so I'm actually reallyexcited about that I I'd like to
see some of the Me and Bradactually talked about that some
tonight while we were waiting tofind out some stuff.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
And so yeah, brad being a huge wrestling fan has
been since we were kids, but theRumble is one of those me and
him both we've always liked.
It's such a fun, interestingthing.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
There's nothing else like it.
I like to see when they bringback random people from the past
.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
There's always cool surprises Jumping in.
Yeah, so the Royal Rumble iscoming up very soon, so I'll
probably try to watch that one.
I don't want TGL to be that inany way, no, no, no, I agree
with that man now you got methinking Do you think that
happens?
On the golf course.
Do you think there's side betsand things that guys, guys bet?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
everything.
Oh, I know there's bets all thetime.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
They're betting on literally everything.
But no, I don't think that,because there's just too much on
the line season long.
With how that goes.
This is very different thanthat.
There's no way, because oneshot could mess up your entire
round.
When it comes to on the actualcourse here, where it's
alternating people and this, andthat you could easily one-shot

(53:09):
and it's not going to kill you.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
I don't remember seeing anything that made me
think that it's scripted outsideof.
That moment was odd, Because Isee him get up there and, like
you said, it's like nine secondsand I'm thinking to myself okay
, he's got to get up there andgo.
And he takes a little practiceputt and he gets over the ball.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
And hits it right after the buzzer, literally
after it.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
And again, I'm not saying it is.
It just felt like maybe we haveto keep this match close.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
That's going to ruin it for me if they start doing
stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
I don't think we see it weekly.
I also don't think that therunaway scoring that we've seen
the first few weeks is normal.
I think it's as people getacclimated, as both teams get
their best team there, I thinkwe see some better matches.
I hope so I really do, orespecially when we get down
close to the playoffs, I thinkwe're going to see some really

(54:05):
good.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
It's not like I love it, but I'm kind of getting into
it a little bit.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
I think they do some really good things.
I'm excited to see where itgoes from there.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
I remember you was hating on it at first.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
I was hating on it a lot, but I really am seeing.
I see some bright spots.
It's just the bad stuff earlyon was really heavily
outweighing the good, andthey've already started to
change some things.
I mean, I think they arelistening.
It's just it's going to taketime.
Are they listening to you?

Speaker 2 (54:27):
is that what it was they'd be better if they by the
time I watched it, they'dalready took all your
suggestions and made it betterlisten, give me a call, I can
make it better.
I still got ideas I'm sureyou're the first one on the list
that when we need help righthere, yeah, I don't think those
guys will ever know who I am.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
And that's quite all right.
I don't need that notoriety.
I'll just talk about you fromafar.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
And that's okay.
They're all buddies with me, Italk to them.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
I will say though next year league's still around.
The plan is we'll be at the PGAshow.
We're probably going to go.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
I'll be honest, I already was looking like, is
there tickets out there, Likewhat's going on with them?
But everything shows sold outon Ticketmaster.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
so I don't know they say that, but then they're also
paying people to come.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
How do we do that?
That's the way to go.
I don't want to pay you.
Pay me to come.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
But here's the thing we know a lot of people in the
golf industry at this point withsome connections.
Cobra obviously signed with MaxHoma Max Homa's Jupiter.
We could possibly find sometickets we could find a way.
Now I'm not saying we're goingto be hanging out with the guys
meeting these dudes.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
So if Hudak's listening, help us out.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Yeah, I'm going to strategically send this to his
inbox this week, or even Connor.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Come on, connor.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Well, no, I do know Connor's talking about working
the PGA show next year, so Itold him.
I said, oh, if you're workingwe'll definitely come hang out
with you.
So yeah, he's down in Floridaright now playing some
tournaments.
Before we get off golf, though,I am excited, world number one
Scotty Scheffler makes hisreturn to golf this week at
Pebble Beach.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
How has there been so many tournaments already that
he has not been in?
Like I can't keep up with whenthese guys play.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Well, so let's see, we're like four tournaments deep
already.
This is, you know, the big partof the season.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Oh wait he cut his hand right.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Holiday season he had a incident Somehow a bottle
broke and he sliced his hand.
Pretty bad had to have surgery.
I forgot, so he's not beenthere.
Rory jokingly said you've donewell enough, you could hire a
chef, that's true.
Stop doing these things thatcould potentially get you hurt.

(56:33):
Hire you a chef and let's go.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Maybe he needs insurance on his hands and stuff
.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
I'm sure he's got stuff, but I mean, the man made
a lot of money last year, so itwon't be hard for him to.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
He said he doesn't do it for the money.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
It's hard for him to he said he doesn't do it for the
money.
It's easy to say when you gotthat much I mean you pay me 60
million a year yeah, I don't doanything for the money I'm just
doing it for the love but 60million.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Maybe after that 60 million, then I can do it
exactly.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Um.
So yeah, just real quick.
I'm excited about seeing himcome back.
I'm curious, you know you seesomebody out kind of somewhat
long term, especially when it'sa a lot of feel in that sport.
Curious to see what happens.
I'm certain, cause he was on ahuge tear last year.
I mean he just won everything,so I'm curious to see and how he
bounces back from all that.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
He's one of my favorites to watch and I don't
know when that came about.
I don't think he was maybenumber one then, but at some
point you kind of see him comingonto the scene and getting
really good.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Well, they call him the most boring number one ever.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
But he looks like you're watching one of us.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Well, because he hits it in the middle of the fairway
, hits it to the middle of thegreen and he'll make a putt or
he two-putts.
He just doesn't have a bunch ofbig mistakes.
But most fans want somebody alittle more flamboyant, a little
more out there, a little moreexciting, and he's just a
regular dude.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Well, when I say he looks like one of us, it's not
meaning hitting fairways in thegreens.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Oh, by no means.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Just by watching him, he just looks like a normal
dude.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Listen, I get my money's worth on a golf course.
I'm going to see the wholecourse.
Oh yeah, I am too Like golf isthe only sport that you Well?

Speaker 2 (58:06):
no, take that back.
I'm going to see the right side, that's true.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
You will see a lot of the right side, or I take this
back If there's water left, thatyeah, like we've always seen
the meme.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
You know the joke of you know, put a man on mars with
a golf ball and he'll findwater.
It's done a little betterlately, but yeah, lately, you
haven't hit in a whileeverything goes right until
there's water in the left andthen it goes right to.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
It just happened I mean it goes right, it's just
right to it.
It's very different, yeah um,yeah, you, but you've always
been that way water could be.
Nobody even knows it's there,and we get up there and it's
like oh there's water.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
I have hit some of the best shots of my life and
they go directly to the courseI'm not real familiar with.
Let me get up there and go.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
There's a creek there where that was there and, of
course, david's ball in thewater.
You've been very good so eversince we started playing golf,
played a lot of golf together.
You're very good at that.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Water is always there for you.
I'm starting to get theimpression you're telling me I'm
not supposed to get in thewater.
I didn't realize this.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
I didn't realize.
You thought you were supposedto.
I thought that was the wholeobject.
What do you mean?
No, it's get it into the hole,not into the water.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
It was a hole.
It's just full of water.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Yeah, I mean, it's a hole all right, a whole lot of
balls in the water okay.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Well, maybe next time I'll try to do better.
I I'm completely off of there.
All this time.
You haven't been trying allthis time I was.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
I'm in trouble now I gotta, I gotta step my game up.
He's not been trying figurethat out, oh yeah oh okay, so
I've got.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
If you're off golf, I got something.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
You gotta go look yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
I was wanting to jump into some of the other things,
so we'll go ahead and jump intobasketball, okay, and you may
have it pulled up already.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
No, so you told me to pull something up but not look
at anything.
Okay, so I haven't looked atanything.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
So Vanderbilt basketball the roster for this
year.
Okay, for this year.
Okay, pull the roster up.
Is there anything that jumpsout to you?
Let me look Just kind of lookthrough the players and
positions.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Is there something in particular that's supposed?

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
to jump out to you, it is Look at the positions.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
I'm seeing a bunch of forwards and guards.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Oh, you got the wrong one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Well, I'm not, so I do.
You did tell me to look up ontheir site, right?

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Here, here, Look, look, Because I wasn't looking.
I've got to pull up on my phoneBecause I saw this and somebody
mentioned it and I looked again.
I said why would they do that?
So that's got to be wrong,right?
I saw this a week or so ago,Somebody brought it up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
I'll tell you this I have not watched a single
Vanderbilt basketball game allyear, because it's like why, why
would I?

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
We're doing great.
You can't see us right now, butVanderbilt's roster has every
player listed as a point guard.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Literally every one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
And they're not all point guards.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
I mean, is that a typo?

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
I'm very confused, so I heard it a week ago or so and
I thought, yeah, that's wrong,somebody messed up and they're
just showing a funny thing.
And then I heard it again.
So I thought, well, let me golook it up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
And I pulled up their roster and it literally had
every player listed as a pointguard.
Yeah, so when I pulled it up onESPN, they just put FRG,
depending on position guard,forward, because they don't
really do centers like this.
They don't do any of that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Yeah, no, it wasn't on ESPN, it was a Vanderbilt
thing, okay, and so I don't knowwhy, because it's still the way
.
I mean I'm on Vanderbilt.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Commodores website.
But here's the thing Vanderbiltis supposed to be the hardest
school to get into, thebrightest and best of the SEC,
but you're telling me we can'tdo well enough to put people's
positions, we're just going todo point guard, I think somebody
did it on purpose and I don'tknow what's the point.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
I don't know.
There was a big push with JohnCalipari at one point about
positionless basketball andeverybody can bring the ball up.
That's a joke.
That's why Cal Perry is atArkansas getting his ball
whooped.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Well, hey, we'll first come back to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Kentucky this Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Oh, is that this week ?
Yeah, there's going to be somebad blood there.
We'll talk about it in a second.
I may actually watch Kentuckybasketball game.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Do you see a benefit to this?
Everybody's point guard?

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Is that?
Do the players feel better thatyou list them as point guard?

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
I think that's stupid , I mean here's the thing, or do
you think it's a mistake?
And it's just still there?

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
So to me, I think somebody made a mistake and
nobody cares to go change it,because you can't list everybody
as a point guard.
I mean, whether they can allhandle the ball or not, they're
not all point guards.
I mean that's what blows my mind.
I mean, I've both played andcoached farther than a lot of
people, and your point guard isthe coach on the floor.

(01:02:46):
They are supposed to knoweverything.
You know where everybody shouldbe.
You are usually a leader.
It's a very particular position.
You're not going to labeleverybody as that.
That just doesn't make anysense.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
No, and I'm actually reading some more on it as we
talk here.
Um it's they say their, theirnew coach over there.
It's his first year there, Ithink okay it's kind of a
gimmick and his uh let me thinkI think it was his statement
says he wants his players tothink and act like point guards
on the floor.
So that is why he done andthat's kind of what I thought
the reason to something for theplayers.
So that's why he done it andit's literally a gimmick to get

(01:03:28):
attention, if you, if you wantto do that in the locker room
cool, but it doesn't make senseto anybody else no like it's,
it's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
You're gonna say, well, my 6'8 center is a point
guard.
No, he's not.
Do you have him bringing theball up the court?

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
They have a 6'9, 235-pound point guard on their
roster no you don't, this isn'tBen Simmons or Magic Johnson.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
They don't have those type of guys.
So you can say well, I want allmy guys to be leaders.
Listen, not everybody can be incharge.
Not everybody needs to be incharge.
You don't go recruit 15 leaders.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Is it these players these days?
Again, we talked about theoffensive and three-point
shooters.
Everybody wants to be a pointguard.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
So does it help in recruiting A point guard is not
even your main scorer.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
I know they're not, but does it help in recruiting
to just say because I think thepoint is, if you're a point
guard, you're, you're quick,you're agile, you can handle the
ball we're saying you'reathletic more than than the big
guys.
Well, which is here's whatmight be wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
I don't think basketball is full of full of
basketball players anymore.
It's full of athletes.
It is.
Yeah, we're not seeing the bestof the best basketball player.
We're seeing super highbasketball iq athletes playing
the sport, playing the sport yep.
So you know, you can argue whatyou want to argue.
As far as you know, did stephcurry and you know the warriors

(01:04:50):
technically ruin basketball.
Where you don't see mid-rangeever, it's three-pointers and
dunks or three-pointers and late.
I don't know why you needmid-range so it's three-pointers
and dunks, or three-pointersand layups.
I don't know why you needmid-range.
That's pretty much all we'reseeing.
If you can shoot and you can godunk the ball, you don't have
to be a great basketball playerto do that.

(01:05:11):
Athletes can do that.
Basketball is definitely one ofthose sports.
Being super athletic gives youa huge advantage over everybody
else.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
There's no defense anymore, Even in college.
Defense is going away In theNBA.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
we're seeing 130 to 130 like every game, but I can
remember Kobe and Duncan andsome of those.
It would be like 80 to 80.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Well, it meant something for those guys to play
defense.
It meant something forbasketball.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
They really, really went after it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Now it's.
I'm going to go out and scoreyou and Kobe and those guys were
.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
I'm not gonna let you score on me I'm gonna go out
score you, but you're also notgonna score.
You're not gonna score me yes,um, now, not everybody in the
era was that way.
I mean you get a guy like ai.
Ai was actually a fantasticdefender.
I mean people forget how goodof a defender he was, but that's
not what he's known for.
Kobe, you knew you didn't wantto guard you and you didn't want
to guard him.
It's just the way it was.

(01:06:03):
Um, jordan was a fantasticdefender.
You know doesn't always get thecredit for that.
That, to me, is where kind oflebron falls flat.
You know, I'll say it, lebron,he's top three, but he's, to me,
almost I could almost three Icould argue third I don't know
If I went thinking enough, Imight find a better third.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
To be honest with you , I'm with you, Jordan, and I
don't agree with you a lot.
But Jordan and Kobe, I guessthat's what you're thinking of.
That's my top two.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Forever it was.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Jordan and LeBron, jordan and LeBron and everybody
was leaving Kobe out.
I don't think you can do that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
The thing that I think puts Kobe ahead of so many
people is his mindset.
You know they talk about theMamba mentality.
He is just a freak when it cameto Talk about self-discipline.
Yeah, I mean his work ethic,his.
I mean he said it all the time.
He's like I'm not as skilled asa lot of these guys, but I'll
work harder than literallyeveryone and I think he sells
himself short.
He's unbelievably skilled.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
If you want to kind of get pumped up and some
self-confidence going inyourself, go listen to Kobe talk
.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Oh, absolutely, I mean, he's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
The things he did and the way.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
He's mind was my brother, brad, one of the
biggest Kobe fans I've ever met.
He was a Lakers fan through andthrough.
Because of Kobe Bryant, becauseof Kobe, he will argue for Kobe
forever.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
I never was a Lakers fan.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
And it's one of those that I didn't really argue much
with him on it because I didn'treally disagree on some of it.
It's.
You know, for me I'm alwaysgoing to say Jordan was the
greatest.
He paved the path for a lot ofthese guys to be doing what
they're doing.
Just is what it is.
I can never really agree withLeBron being the greatest.

(01:07:47):
He's got a lot of stats.
There's just too many otherthings he can't do.
You're going to say, well, he'sa great defender.
No, he's not.
He's good at a chase down block.
He's got highlights.
He doesn't really have stats.
He's never been a defensiveplayer of the year, he's never
been an all-defensive NBA.
So there's so many things thatto me I'm like okay, that's just
absolutely false.
But I did see here recently.

(01:08:10):
They're saying, well, lebron'sgoing to get his jersey retired
in three places.
They're going to say theCavaliers I get it Heat, the
Heat and the Lakers I don'tagree with it getting retired
with the Lakers.
He's won one championship inthe COVID era.
It was a shortened season inthe bubble.
That championship to me doesn'teven count.
It doesn't exist to me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
That's just a washed year that we don't even say.
If you put him up at Heat,don't you have to put Bosh and?

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Dane wade too.
Oh, I think they get that forsure, yeah, okay um, I think
bosh is a super underratedplayer.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
I think people don't realize how good he really was
yeah, I think it took all threeof them to win down there.
Two of them may not get it donelisten.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
My man, dirk, did the unthinkable, though, and took
him down.
Yeah, I've been a dirk fanforever.
I love the mid-range stuff.
I love his style of play.
He was just oh you couldn'tstop it.
He's so slow and you stillcouldn't stop it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
I loved it.
The little step back with theknee coming up, and you couldn't
get close enough.
The iconic.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
You know the knee.
But then too, he's seven footand he shoots it like 40 feet
high, like everybody says, likeyou know exactly what's coming.
But because of the way heshoots, the lean, the height,
you can't stop it.
Carmelo on his podcast wastalking about.
He said I'm guarding him.
He says I know what's coming,it's the end of the game.
He's like I'm in his face, whatare you going to do?

(01:09:27):
And he's like that shot took anhour to go in.
It was just so slow.
He said, but as soon as youshot it I knew we were there's.
It's really hard for me to sayGreatest ever in basketball,
because positions are sodifferent.

(01:09:48):
They are.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
I mean Shaquille O'Neal.
I felt that way with thedifferent errors too.
There is some talk about youknow, crossing over, like now
it's all three point game.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
It is.
It's very, very different.
But you take a guy like Shaq,you know they want to say, well,
wilt's the only one to score100, it's all three-point game,
it is.
It's very, very different.
But you take a guy like Shaq,they want to say, well, wilt's
the only one to score 100.
Or, anthony Davis is so great.
Anthony Davis is a fantasticplayer, a very modern player.
He's a much smaller, get up anddown the floor type.
Center Says.
He's more of a powerful forwardhe can play either.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
But none of those guys are gonna cover shack in
the post.
There's no way does shack'slegacy get tarnished because of
his free throws I don't think sobecause, it was it's comical I
that's what I was coming up with.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Comical I mean they literally called it hack a shack
.
Yeah, for a reason, because andhe excuse me, he says it he's
like I was like a career 50.
He's like you know how manypoints I could have scored if
I'd just been like a 70 I don'tknow what like for him to have
such a long career as he had.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Can't you improve somewhere like there's?
There's a fundamental problem.
The problem is there's.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
I say this all the time.
I'm like how are you this highlevel and can't shoot a free
throw?
He's not the only one, it'slike tackling in football.
There's so many guys that can'tshoot a free throw, but Shaq did
so many other things.
I mean they literally no longerallowed a zone in NBA because
of guys like him, because you'renot going to go in against him,

(01:11:19):
why would you?
I mean he talked about it.
He's like there's a few guysthat would kind of give a pass
because I want to watch themwork.
He's like but if I wanted tostop you, I get six fouls.
It's only going to take one ofyou feeling it that you're not
going to do it, you're not goingin anymore.
I mean, he's about the guys I'veplayed basketball against that

(01:11:41):
are big dudes.
I would get ragdolled againstsomebody like that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
You see a lot of the stuff now with social media.
He seems like a really goodperson, the help he does he does
a lot of philanthropy stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
He's all the time looking out for people.
It's also really easy when youhave the money that he's got.
I think it makes a good pointagain, I'm not taking away from
the good stuff he does, by nomeans.
But I feel like you literallysee him everywhere.
He's in all kinds ofcommercials.
He's making a ton on uh tnt,doing the inside nba stuff.
But I also really like him,like he.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
He is just a he's a funny dude person for sure he
can't pronounce names, he can'tremember who people are.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
There's so many little things that reminds me,
but I don't care, I still likewatching his.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
If you haven't seen the video, you got to go look up
and it's older.
Now Him on.
Maybe it was NBA Tonight orwhatever that halftime show or
after the NBA games, whateverthey had.
And they're going back andforth about the gas in a car.
Okay, you've seen that.
And he's basically shack isarguing well, if you don't want

(01:12:46):
to put 80 in your car, then justwait to get down a quarter tank
and stop.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Put 20 in and it's less money then and he goes on
and on about this in that clipand I'm like, oh my gosh, they
gave you an honorary doctorate.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Like, come on, dude, you're killing me and he's like
oh, no, it's cheaper if you doit that way.
And they're like you put thesame no, no, no, it's the same
amount.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
You're just doing it a different time.
He's doing it different.
Yes Listen, I'm not going tosit here and say Shaq is the
smartest man I've.
I think him and Charles Barkleymake that so much.
They're like brothers.
They argue, they bicker, theyjoke.
It's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
I love them.
They're okay making commentsand they just will crack up at
each other.
It's what makes it fun.
They almost come off as normalpeople, even though they're.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Even though they really aren't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
I mean, these are.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Hall of Fame basketball guys.
I mean, they're the types ofplayers that we will never see
again.
Like we're not going to see aCharles Barkley, who was really
undersized for position, but oneof the better rebounders of all
time.
Shaq, one of the probably to me, the best, if probably second
best center.

(01:13:57):
I'll give Abdul-Jab the thetake on that to me probably.
So, um, I don't think you putanybody else above him in my
opinion, but one of the greatestplayers of all time as well.
And they feel like just regularold dudes they do.
Now you meet them, and one,seven, two, the other is like
six, nine.
You're gonna feel tiny, butyeah, I mean it's still.

(01:14:19):
They feel like very normalpeople.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
That reminds me we mentioned last week who we met.
That's famous or whatever,Right, and he's saying that I
forgot Just this past couplemonths ago I met Mark Pope and
he made me feel that way he's abig guy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Yeah, I guess you don't really think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
No, I mean we took a picture with myself and my wife
and my daughter next to him andI'm telling you, if you cropped
the picture you'd lose some ofus, because it's like, like the
height difference do you want tomeet a, a better coach?
Don't, don't talk about northcarolina, because I have former,
former oh okay roy williamslives not, that's right, I

(01:14:56):
forgot he does he's not far fromhere.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
There's a few guys that have met him and I'm like
like gosh, I would love to meethim.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Mark Pope's better than Roy, so regardless.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Like I can't stand Duke, Hate Duke with a passion.
Yeah, I'd meet Coach K, I thinkit'd be cool.
Oh, I think so too, there'ssome familiarities.
Listen, I'm very aware whatdoes your toilet?

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
paper say today Familiarities.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
I have a face for radio.
I'm very aware of this, butthat's an ugly dude.
Coach Kaye's an ugly dude, buthe'd still be like.
He's one of those like you'regoing to recognize him.
He's very recognizable, hewould.
Yeah, there's a lot of guys.
So if Mark Pope was averagesix-foot type guy, I don't think

(01:15:49):
you'd have a clue who he wasout in public.
Oh, probably not the thing thatmakes him that presence that he
has, how big he is.
He's such a, he's what 6'8".
6, six, eight, six nine.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
He's big dude, he's way up there.
Um, he seems like such alikable guy too.
When kentucky beat tennesseethis past weekend, uh, he came
again out to the arena, met withpeople, signed autographs.
It's just, he wants to be withthe fans.
I hope he stays that wayforever.
You know, not just doing thisjust because it's first year,
because I, I want somebody thatdoesn't act like they're better

(01:16:21):
than me I.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
I will say this we, we talked about, you know, roy,
living close, and you talkedabout mark pope, new coach at
kentucky.
You know doing doing goodthings.
I'm ready to start the coachingsearch I bet you are you know,
we, we had this whole big thing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
What 13-9 now?

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
They signed a kid just recently like the fifth
best player in the country outof high school.
They're like, oh, that mightgive Hubert another year, why we
don't need another guard?
We can't rebound, we can'tscore, we can't play defense.
What the heck are we?

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
doing?
Who did they lose to two nightsago?
Pitt, pitt, that's right.
They lost to Pitt a couplenights ago.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
And it's like we are the laughingstock of the ACC.
What are we doing?
Where are they in the ACC rightnow?
Because ACC is so bad?
It is really really bad rightnow.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
But as bad as they're doing, I don't think they're at
the bottom.
No, they.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
But as bad as they're doing, I don't think they're at
the bottom, but they're stillway down there.
So they're not at the bottom.
But when you talk aboutCarolina basketball, you should
be one or two.
You should be.
It's going to be you or Dukeevery year, especially in that
conference.
You or Duke is all we should do.
They're just above middle ofthe pack.
Yeah, at six and four inconference.
Yeah, 13-9 on the season,mm-hmm.

(01:17:40):
I mean, I don't get that.
This is one of those that I sawa comparison today.
They said this is Brad Dohertyall over again and Brad Doherty
is one that basically came in,went or won a championship, I
can't exactly remember.
I think went to a championshipwith the previous coaches team,

(01:18:02):
basically yeah, well, that'swhat.
That's what hubert davis did,yeah he's he's not doing it with
his guys.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
His guys are starting to get here and we're seeing
that, hey, we're not very goodanytime there's a coaching
change and the players stay,which now in nil, they'll leave,
correct but, that first year ortwo.
That don't mean anything to me.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
No, it absolutely doesn't.
It absolutely doesn't.
So here's the thing we're notMiami.
Miami is 0-10.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
I didn't realize they were that bad Long fall.
Wait, that's the coach thatleft right that we talked about
previously.
Yeah, Laranega, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Yeah, he left kind of mid-season.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Well, not mid-season.
He's been on the wall andthat's why he got out of there
they're 4-17 on the year.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
They've won four games and they were in the Final
Four two years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Pretty recent.
I mean pretty recent.
Yeah, if you want to hear ourthoughts on that, that's a few
podcasts ago, a couple weeks agoyeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
Yeah, he spent a lot of NIL money to get to the Final
.
Four and then they all walkedoff and left him and he.
So you've got Duke at numberone in the conference,
louisville number two and thenClemson third.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Louisville's got a new coach too, don't they this
year?

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Yeah, I mean Louisville's actually having a
good season.
They're 16-5.
I didn't realize that, butthey're having kind of quietly.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
They're having a pretty good season, not bad
Clemson's the same way Clemson's17-4.
I didn, and it's a late game, Ibelieve.
Saturday night Coach Cal bringsArkansas to Rupp Arena.
There are three players on theteam who played for Kentucky
last year with Cal.
A lot of the assistants arethere.

(01:19:30):
That was at Kentucky at somepoint.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
The thing with that, though.
The only reason that game isrelevant to anyone outside of
Kentucky is the fact that Cal'sgoing back.
Oh for sure, like Arkansas isnot very good.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Kentucky should destroy it, kentucky's been back
and forth.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
You know there are top-ranked teams You'll see some
people watch it for that buteverybody wants to see what
happens.
So to me he walks in and hegets booed.
There's no way he doesn't.
I'm not cheering for like howdo you cheer for the man that
underperformed and then stoleyour whole team?

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Part of the argument is he didn't want to leave.
I mean he did go talk toArkansas.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
It's hard to say he didn't want to leave.
He looked for that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Last minute.
He didn't want to leave and itwas too late.
He didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
He burnt his bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
He burnt the bridge and he'd been doing that for the
past five years.
I think I agree.
So I think it'll be like RickPitino.
People are starting to comeback around to Rick Pitino Once
he got out of Louisville.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
They are, but it's been some time.
It's been some time, it's beensome time.
So.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
I see it like that too.
I think Cal gets booed.
Heck if I even, though he donesome great things.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
But one day when he's gone from arkansas because he's
going to be there that long.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
He's either going to be an analyst or he'll go to
some other team, some smallerteam, he will grow and kind of
like patino did that's whereyou'll see it, I think and then
he'll start coming back aroundto kentucky and he'll make all
the right statements, just likepatino did, correct?
Oh, I always loved, lovedKentucky, never wanted to leave.
Just yada, yada, yada.
And Louisville fans got so madat Rick Pitino because he was

(01:21:06):
like my heart was always atKentucky, even when I was at
Louisville.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
And they're like what ?

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Maine wins a championship that's now been
taken away.
Yeah exactly At Louisville andthey're like, I was always a
Kentucky guy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
But what do you think about the players?
Is it fair to boo the playersthat went with him?
100% they could have stayed.
Well, I guess I don't know ifMark Pope wanted them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
Here's the thing Mark Pope didn't get a choice.
He came into that and there wasno team.
There was no team.
He had to build one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Yeah, I don't know if some of the players kind of
talked to him and he said no, Ithink we're going to go a
different way, or whatever hewould have said to him they
chose what they wanted to do.
That's on them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Boo them by all means .
They did.
They're all getting paid.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
I can't believe that anybody saw what Cal was doing
the past five years and not onlysaid yeah, cal, come down here,
I'll bring your whole staffwith you, I'll bring some of the
players with you.
Bring all your coaches andplayers that can't win Like you
just, Cal even made the comment,because he called it.
What was it?
Calipari U or something likethat.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
First of all, yeah, something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
That's tough when you're at Kentucky and you're
calling it Calipari U Like.
Come on whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
But he basically said we you to and out of every
coach over the last probably 20years.
At every big program heunderperformed more than anyone.
I mean like it's not even close.
Looking back, I mean likeeverybody when he was at
kentucky, all these fans arelike oh, he's so good, he's so
good, but what's he done?
Like making it far doesn't help.
That's not a big deal itdoesn't you got to win.
He didn't win he got the onechampionship and that was what

(01:22:47):
his second or third year.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
It was pretty early on it was early, it was anthony
davis, so team, and now that washis team.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
It was the team he went recruited.
He's a fantastic recruiter,always has been.
He's not the best of coaches,so he had some issues.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
As the staff started changing in different places, he
got worse.
He had some guys that reallyhelped him with his weaknesses.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
I see what you're saying there, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
He had some weaknesses and they filled those
gaps and when those guysstarted leaving and doing other
things, he started falling off Igot you he brought another
staff.
He thought he could do it.
He couldn't, whatever.
Anyways, enough about cal.
Yeah, boom, boom if you'regonna be fan booing I don't care
, one day he'll be in therafters, probably.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
With that being said, go razorbacks.
Shut your mouth.
I knew I'd get something there.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Okay, ladies and gentlemen, it is time to call it
a night.
Tyler has got to go home.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
I'll say this.
You mentioned it those guysleft in NIL.
I've been seeing this all weekand it's driving me insane.
At what point are we going tostep in?
Ohio State just won a nationalchampionship Yep, Okay.
Have arguably the best receiverin college football, Freshman
Freshman Jeremiah Smith Rumorsof $4.5 million for him to enter

(01:24:09):
the portal.
Why is anybody able to reachout to him, talking to him about
money, if he's not trying totransfer?
He's not in the portal.
And they're able to do this.
Tate, that was the thirdreceiver this year offering him
a million.
These guys aren't entering theportal.
Why are we allowed to do this?
This is free agency.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
You sound like the old man right now.
That don't pay the players.
I'm not against paying theplayers.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
I get it I love it.
I'm with the NIL stuff, butwait until they enter the portal
.
It's a rule.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
But I don't even care .
If it's a rule, I don't care.
Call the player in the middleof the season hey, you want to
come on my team?
I got more money for you.
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
I just have a problem with.
So here's the thing the NBA hasrules against signing players
for free agents contracts whilethey're still signed by a team.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
But they've got contracts.
You can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
They've got, but you can't even talk to the guy until
he's been off of that team.
Like there's still regulation.
Like this is literally afree-for-all.
Like I just it blows my mindand not even talking about, oh,
it's Ohio State.
As a fan, I don't care whatteam.
Like Talking about, oh, it'sOhio State.
As a fan, I don't care whatteam.

(01:25:22):
Like we know Miami was talkingto Beck because that happened
way too fast.
He leaves under 24 hours hesigns a $4 million deal with
Miami.
We already heard rumor that hewas going to get a bunch of
money from somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
So we know they're talking, but that makes no sense
to me.
But look at Jim Knowles A weekafter winning the national
championship he's gone to PennState.
You can't tell me he wasn'ttalking before.
So if a coach can do it, aplayer can do it.
But I don't agree with that.
Well, if they're all paidemployees, at that point.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
So it's a little bit different for a coach because
there's no portal to enter.
Obviously you can't be like,yeah, I'm entering a portal, I'm
up for grabs.
Let's get rid of the portal ifyou, if you're saying, yeah, I'm
done here, like obviously myjob is right here right now.
They know I'm talking to others, so that means I'm I'm gone.
They're gonna hire somebodyelse a little different.

(01:26:10):
But I hate you're, you'resigned, you're part of this, not
looking to leave and all we'redoing is running up the money
like that.
It just doesn't make sense tome I.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
I get your point to an extent and if there's
contracts, like we've talkedabout it, it changes a lot of
that.
But right now, if a coach cando it, I think a player should
be able to do it, because I cancome to a coach in the middle of
the season and say, hey, I'dlike for you to come here.
I'm going to give you moremoney.
You can tell me at thebeginning of the year.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
Yeah, I'm going to finish here and then I'm going
to come to you so potentiallyyou can do that.
But a lot of these guys youstill can't talk to them during
season, but they do Some.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
I mean you can't tell me Jim Knowles didn't already
know he's out and kind of anidea of where he's going?

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
it makes no sense.
You win a national championshipand you leave for a huge
conference rival well, he saidhe would rather be at Penn State
which makes no sense.
That's where his heart was theonly place worse would have been
going to Michigan.
That's the only thing worse youcould have done in the Big Ten
was oh, I'm going to Michigan.
I mean Penn State's the onlyother rival there.
That's why.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
I don't think that happened in that last week after
a championship that was alreadyin the works, maybe not a done
deal.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
I can't imagine it did, but still, it's just,
you're one of those.
It's free agency, it'scontracts, like leave them alone
while it's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
There'd be an argument for leaving coaches and
everybody alone while it'sgoing on.
But you know, I hear somepeople say that you know we
can't mess with them whilethey're in a team.
They're committed to a team andthey say that about the players
, but then they're okay with thecoaches doing whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
And so that's a problem.
That's a double standard.
I'm both.
I don't think you should doboth.
I'm not sitting here on thefence of like, oh coach, do
whatever you want, players.
No, I'm just saying, leave itthat.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
That's where a contract with a non-compete
clause.
You know Jim Knowles needed acontract that says if you leave,
you cannot go in the sameconference for so many years,
because they used to do thatwith players.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
The SEC used to say you couldn't stay in conference.
Yeah, they wouldn't let youtransfer within conference.
Yeah, I do remember that.
Well before, though, if Iremember correctly some of that
early transfer pool stuff, thecoach had to approve where you
were agreeing to go to.
Because it was always if you'regoing to go D2, you're dropping,
or you're going to go FCS,you're really going down to a

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lower division.
It was always yeah, we get it.
But if you went to somebody wecould potentially see or was on
the schedule, they'd be like no,you can't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
See, I'm fine with it and that's weird to me too,
though I'm fine.
That's weird.
That's weird to me too, thoughI'm like let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
You know, free market You're just up for free, for
all free fall, absolutely Freefor their needs.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
If you want to protect your investment, make
them sign a contract.
Now the problem with that is ifI say, come here, sign this
contract and school down theroad says you.
So that could even get into awhole I, you can't get.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
But I think if we go to contracts it's gonna be
contracts across the board.
I don't feel like you should beable to say you shouldn't be
able to.
Money should not change handsif there's no contract.
If that is going to be the rule, like if it's like, hey, you're
supposed to do contracts butyou kind of not, then just don't
do them.
That makes no sense.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
I'm with you either do them or don't I mean, that's
all, for you know the same thingwe have out here.
When you're looking for a job,you can go to the best, the
highest bidder, the whateverplace you like best.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
There's no nothing stopping me unless I sign a
non-compete, so let's let themdo it so, speaking of contracts,
we saw this really big thisweek, this week, last week as
well.
I don't know if you followed itmuch in baseball, particularly
the Dodgers.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Okay, I have not seen this.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
They signed Shohei last year on a diverted contract
.
So he's getting like a millionor 2 million a year and huge
money 10 years from now.
So like he can be retired andhe's going to make crazy money.
So it's not hurting them in themoment.
So what guarantees?

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
that Like if Dodgers change ownerships.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
A lot of those are protected because it's protected
by the union stuff that they'rea part of.
Okay, and I don't see thishappening Again.
That's not a team that's goingto get sold, it's not, but what
if the team went bankrupt?

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
I'm just hypothetical .

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
I mean, I know they're not going to, yeah well,
so the league takes care of alot of that stuff, but then at
the same time the union wouldbasically force within the sale
you've got to uphold.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
You've got to go ahead and pay him.
Yeah, I get you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:35):
Okay, bonilla.
Every year we have Bonilla Day.
He gets this big payout fromthe Mets and he's not played in
many, many, many years.
He's getting like a million ayear.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
He just kind of deferred the.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
He's getting his money on the back end.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
What's the upside of that?
I feel like if you had thatmoney now, you could invest it
and potentially make way morethan what they're giving you
Even inflation, as those rise.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
The upside for the team is you're not hurting my
salary I understand upside forthe team, but the player I have
more potential to getsponsorships and ads now because
I'm a big name, and then, whenI don't want to do anything, I
got big money coming in for noreason okay, kind of a
retirement plan yeah in a way.
So like a guy like shohei, bestplayer in baseball, I don't feel

(01:31:21):
like there's much questionright now.
He can be on literallyeverything.
He could get a sponsorship, anad deal with literally anybody
he wants, because he's gonnasell, he just is.
He's well known, he's huge inthe japanese market now he's
huge in the american market, wonan mvp, won a world series at
this point, so he's getting hugemoney on the back end.

(01:31:42):
So when he retires, if hedidn't want to go do any ads, he
didn't have to.
If he didn't want to go backand do anything in Japan with
baseball, he didn't have to.
He's set.
But the problem is the Dodgershave now done this with three,
three Japanese players.
So they've got three of thebiggest names that you could

(01:32:03):
possibly get at the moment, allon deferred contracts.
And so then the question comesup is that okay?

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
If you have salary caps.
So again, I just said payplayers whatever you want in
college, but there's no salarycaps, there's no rules.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
That changes everything Currently right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
Yeah, now, if they did that, I might feel
completely, completely different.
I feel like that's cheating asalary cap, isn't it?
To me, it feels wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
It just does.
It feels wrong.
And that's not me hating on thedodgers.
I'm not necessarily.
I don't.
I don't hate them, but I don'tlike them I'm.
I'm a braves fan, so I'm notgonna be like, oh yeah, if the
braves are doing is okay,because I think that's very
weird across the board.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
So I guess any team could do it so that evens the
playing field.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
But you got to get the players that agree to it
correct, but at same time you'vealso, so they're more willing
to do it now too, becausethey're going to win in the
moment and then make the moneyon the back end when maybe the
winning doesn't matter anymore.
Two, because they're going towin in the moment and then make
the money on the back end whenmaybe the winning doesn't matter
anymore.
So it's weird to me, but at thesame time there's also some
rules.
So does that okay?

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
okay, I'm just thinking this through.
Yeah, I don't know how long itis.
Let's say, it's what?
10 years from now they pay moremoney.
Right then, shouldn't that beon their salary cap 10 years
from now, whatever team theyhave?

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
if he's active, so if he's retired?
No, yeah, that's tough.
So that's what I'm saying againit's the gray area we keep
talking about with everythingit's very weird because
obviously, if you're going tosay well in, in 10, 15, 20 years
, whatever it is, these threeguys are going to kill our
salary cap, you've got to committo say, in 20 years, we don't
care.
If we're good, yeah exactly.

(01:33:38):
And I don't think they're goingto do that.
Because if you're, if you'rewinning back-to-back
championships, and all of asudden it's like well, 20 years,
we got to cut everybody becauseour it's not there.
I mean, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
So you're paying them a salary.

Speaker 1 (01:33:50):
To my understanding, though it's, it's at that point,
it's within the budget, butit's not within the salary
because they're not activeplayers.
Active players are what countstowards salary, not former that
you still owe.
Yeah, I hadn't followed that,but then the Dodgers at the same
time while these guys are stillsigned to Japan, there are
rules between the leagues.
You cannot talk to the player,but they can talk to the

(01:34:17):
managers of the player's teamover there and actually pay the
team's money to basically havethem push them to go to a
certain team and I'm like sobribing somebody pretty much I
mean, that's what I'm like.
All right, we're bribing guysand then cheating the salary cap
.
How is this?
Okay?
I still like baseball issupposed to be like.
It's america's sport, it's thisgreat pastime, you know, it's

(01:34:40):
all about integrity and allabout this and it's like, but
we're saying that's of highcharacter and high morals and
high integrity, like that makesno sense to me.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
I'm sitting here thinking, how did you talk an
individual into this?
Because I get what you'resaying the kind of retirement.
But if I got the money now, Ican invest it and I can
potentially have way more thanthat when it's time to retire.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
But now you're telling me they're bribing
people, but what you're lookingat is salary number.
All of these guys are gettingmoney from so many different
places.
They've got car deals throughtrading cars.
They've got all these things.
So for them you've got to thinkabout we don't live in that
type of world.
We don't live in the world thatwe've got so much money to do
these things with.

(01:35:22):
That's a very different type ofnumber.
When you're talking about hisbase salary, we're like, oh,
it's low.
He's making $2 million a year.
I don't know if I'll make $2million in my life.
That's what I'm saying.
It's such a different thing.
So for them to basically liveon a yearly, like oh, my yearly

(01:35:46):
budget is $2 million.
Okay, I got to pay half that toall my agents and all this, I
still got a million bucks, yeah,not counting every other source
of income.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
So do you think it is a part?
Because they're Japanese, it'swhere they come from.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
Well, no, it's not just the Japanese players.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
There's other people.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
But part of it.
Again.
For Shohei this isn't his firstMLB contract.
He was with the Angels, so hemade a bunch of money there,
then came to the Dodgers and yetthey keep being able to get all
the big names because they'rejust pushing the money to a
later date.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
So they're stacking a team?

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
Yeah and again it's not even that.
It's the Dodgers.
It just doesn't feel right forany team.
Now the Dodgers can do it moretoo, because they're a very
wealthy team.
The Dodgers have a lot of money.
So for somebody they're a verywealthy team, the Dodgers have a
lot of money For somebody tosay, well, the Athletics could
go do it, the Athletics don'thave any money.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
There's no money for them to really even put that
kind into a yearly salary, letalone across the board.
Plan on that years from now.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
That's a small market team Moving to Vegas, but weird
that they're no longer theOakland A's.
That's a whole separate thing.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
I hate when teams move like that.
There's another hate.

Speaker 1 (01:37:02):
I want to be.
So many have done it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
They have, but a lot of those that have done it were,
the Braves weren't in Atlanta.
No, but that's not in mylifetime.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
So it's okay that it happened before you.
That's what that sounds like.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
When I was old enough to know sports and I knew where
the teams were you're.
I was old enough to know sportsand I knew where the teams were
.
You're supposed to leave themthere until I'm gone at least
Just for me.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
I get it to an extent .
There was no support in Oakland.
The fan base was not there forthem.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
Yeah, I get why they moved.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
So I understand why they are, but it's still just
when we're talking about.
There's still all these talksof we're going to expand the
league, we're going to make moreteams.
Not all the teams right now aresuccessful, so why are we?

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
worried about expanding.

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
Let's figure out some ways on that.
You know, maybe Oakland wasnever the place to put a team.
You know we did it a long timeago when they were in Oakland.
Was that really the smartestidea?

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Some of these markets that we put teams in really
don't make sense to have teams.
Yeah, it just, it just doesn't.
That's the cities they'relooking at to add teams.
Let's take some of those thataren't successful, move them to
that city, see how it goes,instead of adding a new team.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
Kind of my thought instead of adding another team
now the league has to fund.

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
You know they're still funding from the league
that comes there, and more andmore and more so.
Because, again, with baseballit's different.
I mean Me and Will were talkingabout it the other day and
everybody's like oh well,there's minor league.
Well, minor league isn't just adouble-A, triple-a.
There's high-A, there's summerball, there's all of these
things within that.

(01:38:32):
I mean we have a local teamhere in Asheville, asheville
Tourists.
It's high-A for the HoustonAstros.
It's like all right, why arethey in Asheville?
Like, why is an Astros-relatedteam in Asheville?

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
Makes no sense.
I don't know how that comesabout.
I'm assuming somebody built astadium and said okay, we want
to be with your organization oryou bid on it.
I don't know how it becomes.
I can imagine that they saidyeah, let's put a spot here.

Speaker 1 (01:38:59):
They can get sold to different organizations.
Any organization couldtechnically come and say well,
now we want you to be part ofthis group.
Typically, your single-A guysare not making it professional.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
That's what I was going to ask.
There's not as many for that.
Does any single-A ever make itall the way up?

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
A lot of your big guys.
They're almost starting indouble.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
I see some starting triple, almost starting in
double.

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
You're big names out of high school, college.
Out of all this, few games indouble go straight to triple.
We need you ready.
Potentially.
I think that slowed down a lot.
A lot of these guys are notadvancing as quickly as they
used to.
Unless you were just PaulSkeen's level, he was one of

(01:39:41):
those let's get him here.
I mean, he was an all-star.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
I love the system that baseball has with that,
with all these different teams,in a sense, because it's hard to
follow.
It is hard to follow but itgives all these players coming
out of college or whereversomewhere to go and try to
continue Well and it keeps themstateside Like Other sports.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
You're just done, but it keeps them stateside Like
basketball, you've got to gooverseas.
Like basketball, most of it'soverseas and don't get me wrong,
there's a league in everycountry and football I don't
know when you're done if youdon't go to the.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
NFL maybe you can get in the Canada League.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
Yeah, Canadian football is still active.
I don't think arena is evenaround anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
I haven't seen anything much.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
There's some really lower level stuff going on, yeah
, but not the professional.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
But nothing that's like all linked, like baseball
done so good at linking allthese different divisions, where
football, like we just said,there are some of these lower
divisions but none of them islike tied together, they're all
just separate entities.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
What's so cool about baseball, though, is it is truly
a farm league, like they buildyou from nothing to potentially
superstar.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
Yeah, we just said you don't have much of a chance
Most guys don't go from single Abut you have the potential.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
I would say you're going to have a tougher road,
but it's not impossible.
You are still in anorganization with potential to
grow.
If you put the stats up, theywill lift you higher.
They're not going to say well,he's really good but we're going
to leave him.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
They want the best.

Speaker 1 (01:41:02):
Right, so I like it.
So my favorite thing aboutdouble and triple-A ball I love
the team names.
I love the fact that they justgo random stuff, like you've got
the Jumbo Shrimp.
They're triple-A though, yeah,but then you have like charlotte
is the knights.
Like you don't have that forany other team.
No team has that, you've gotlook at ashville uh, gatlinburg,

(01:41:28):
pigeon forgery, they've got ateam, yeah, but there's just the
, the rough riders as a team,the, there's all these names it
I never actually actual tourist,but it's a bear.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
I don't get it.
That make no sense.
I never heard of.

Speaker 1 (01:41:37):
Asheville tourist, but it's a bear.
I don't get it.
So tourist because Asheville'sa big touristy area, so it's
about like a tourist.
But then it's using a blackbear as the symbol because
Because we have bears right hereBecause it's native to the area
.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
I don't know, tourist just feels weird.
Usually you have an animal orsomething.

Speaker 1 (01:41:59):
But to me not.
You know an animal or something, but to me not.
In minor league you don't Like.
Look up some minor leaguebaseball teams.
They are all across the board.
I mean, there is so many weirdteams.
What I always used to loveplaying the baseball games on
PlayStation, xbox growing up,when you did some of your path
stuff and you would come upthrough the minors.

(01:42:20):
It's like you get some of theweirdest team names that you
wouldn't even know exist.
But it was cool to see.
It was a different logo, it wasa different jersey, it was just
fun.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
Not just that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
The grasshoppers, the yard goats.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
I don't remember if they're still this way.
So Lexington Legends were inLexington, kentucky, for years,
and a few years ago they soldthe team or something, and it
might only have been for like ayear and they changed it, but
they were the Lexington CounterClocks, if I remember right.
Okay.
And I think it had something todo with horse racing.

(01:42:58):
Runs counterclockwise maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:42:59):
Okay, that kind of makes sense, but still
counterclocks.
But here's a couple others theSugarland Space Cowboys yeah,
that's out there, all right.
The Toledo Mud Hens Didsomebody sit down and think that
was good?
The Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs sothat's what I'm saying.
It's almost like, hey, we don'tcare, just have fun with it,
and I love that.

(01:43:19):
I love the idea because, likeyou said, college tell me that
one again.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
Space, what space cowboys.
Who are they?
Where are they from?
Sugarland texas texas, I'mgonna get you a space cowboys
shirt or something.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
Yeah, you gotta have something from the space,
absolutely, uh, the fort myersmighty.
I'm telling you what I loveabout the farm system for all of
this is it's just different.
They just went with names thatyou don't see all the time In
college Tigers, bulldogs, thoseare everywhere.

(01:43:53):
Yeah, they're all.
There's some kind of cat,there's some kind of dog, those
are literally everywhere.
Mlb the team names are a littlebit different, but it still
kind of follows those same lines.
Minor league is like nah, we'regonna, we're gonna do our thing
, we're gonna have fun with it.
What?
How do?

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
you and I want to ask um some other people at some
point about this but how do youfeel about the whole savannah,
savannah, bananas dancing, andthey've kind of made a spectacle
out of baseball instead of justplaying baseball.
It seems to be fun.
I've never been to one inperson.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
So to me it depends on who you ask.
If I'm not mistaken, will hatesit.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
Isn't it Harlem Globetrotters?
Just for baseball, basically.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
And so I think that's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
If you know it's not going to watch real baseball
baseball thing with it is thebaseball purist.

Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
The guys that love baseball as it is never change
it.
We love the slow.
We don't want pitch clock, wedon't want any of those things.
They're gonna hate it becauseit's too modern age but it's not
for them, it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
It's not.
I know they're playing baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
But it's not baseball , it's.
It is turning a sport intoentertainment like there's.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
No, you know, they're not they're not going to say we
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
We don't know who's going to win.
They're not scripting it, it'sstill to.
To an extent, some baseball isthere, but it's more about the
entertainment in between.
Isn't that what everything'sgoing though?
Uh, to an extent, I feel like,yeah, yeah, I mean, it sells
tickets.
Cgl, we keep talking about that.
But because I think part ofthat is youtube is so popular,

(01:45:27):
tiktok is so popular all ofthese things that are much
shorter periods draw yourattention in.
So all of these big things feellike we've got to kind of we've
got to cater to that youngerage, and they're into that kind
of stuff.
They're the future of the sport, so to get it to grow and get
to continue, you kind of have tohave those kids in it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
I feel the same way about baseball as I did golf.
I enjoy watching it on tv andit's a little slower pace than
maybe basketball, trying to keepup with running up down the
court.
Everything but baseball gamescan get long, and so I know
they've done the pitch clock andall that stuff to try to help
it, but they're still long sofor me, I much prefer to go to a

(01:46:04):
baseball game.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
Like nine innings at a baseball game, I don't mind it
, I don't even think about it,I'm just there, that'd be
different it's the whole but thewhole, everything but you know
why?

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
because you feel like you're entertained.
You're at an entertain, all theother things going on and you
can go get food, and so I mean'ma little bit different.

Speaker 1 (01:46:20):
I can sit there and watch baseball.
I can watch a whole night in agame on TV and not really care.
But that's kind of just what Ilike.
I love sports.
I'll watch kind of a little bitof anything.
I'm not really a soccer fan.
I love the World Cup.
I think that's one of the mostfun things to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
Do you think baseball's too long?
I know you can sit and watch it, but would you prefer it be
seven innings?

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
No, no, because to me it would have needed to have
been that the whole time.
When they do double headers.
It's like they do theseshortened double headers.
I hate that.
I hate the rule of extrainnings.
You put the special runner onsecond.
I think that's stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
Everybody's went to that now.

Speaker 1 (01:46:57):
I just think it's stupid Getting a runner in
scoring position in baseball,softball, any of those.
It's difficult.
It's supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
In travel balls like that, we use the international
tiebreaker rule.
I think, it's the same thingyou're talking about.
You put a runner on second andyou start with one out, yeah,
and so you're kind of at thatpoint halfway through the inning
.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
I just don't like it.
I don't, and it's not evenbeing like well, I like the old
way.
No, it's just, baseball isdifferent.
It's supposed to be different.
It's supposed to feel different.
I mean, I've said it before, Tome baseball is possibly the
most difficult thing to do insports Hitting a baseball is to
me the most difficult thing youcould do, because hitting a
baseball is, to me, the mostdifficult thing you could do,

(01:47:40):
because it's not.
it depends on who's pitching toyou, maybe anybody that is
slightly good, anybody that'sgood, that has control of
pitches and can throw differenttypes.
You know, break, like theaverage person can't hit a
breaking ball, it just doesn't.
You can't do it.
So it's supposed to be a littlebit different.
I'm okay with it being long.

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
You know the fastball .
If you can get a hold of afastball it's going to fly.
But the amount of time that youhave to see that ball coming at
you when it leaves thatpitcher's hand is so quick.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
The thing that's so crazy is everybody's like well,
a fastball's flat Not anymoreLike these guys, you know.
So you look at some of theJapanese guys.
They almost pitch a rise ball.
They get so on top of it thatit almost has upward trajectory.
But then some of these guysdon't even throw a four seam
anymore, they only throw twoseams, which are going to have
some cut to it, and these guysare releasing it and trying to

(01:48:38):
get it to spin so much that it'sgonna have some natural
movement.
So it's not like as long as Iswing flat on this plane it's
gonna hit it there like it stillhas movement well, let's we
talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
You know how, um, football has changed and scoring
and basketball has changed.
I think baseball is doing thesame thing, it's just they're
such in a traditionalist mindsetthat you don't see it as much.
But what you're talking about,the pitchers, are kind of
changing up the way.
Well, I mean, the game isalways going to change.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
So I mean one thing we did see 2021, baseball came
in and banned a bunch ofsubstances Because a lot of
pitchers were using some thingsthat would give them extra
stickiness to the ball.
The more sticky that you have,the more you can spin it, the
more your stuff moves.
So I think since 2021, we'veseen batting averages go up.

(01:49:27):
That was the point.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
That's what they want .
They want to see more hits,more runs.
If everybody has access tothose substances, don't know
what it matters I mean they didlike it was.

Speaker 1 (01:49:40):
It was across the board.
It was just that not sayingthat all the great pitchers from
that era is what they did, butyou were seeing really low eras
by guys that maybe weren'treally had the stuff that they
were pitching with.
So I mean some of the movement,some of the the break on some
of this was unbelievable and nowsome of those guys are kind of

(01:50:03):
not around anymore because theydon't have the stuff anymore and
some of these guys can stillmake it move that way I think
what they do next is just givethem all some jacked up bats, as
long as they all have access tothem.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
We'll see a whole lot more home runs.
We'll see all kinds of stuffmajorly let's get scoring going.

Speaker 1 (01:50:17):
They don't need metal bats in hand.
They'll kill somebody we needmore like college they use these
metal bats and it still blowsmy mind.
These guys too strong, too fat,like they don't need metal bats
, they need to stick with woodto let it die down a little bit.
Um for player safety.
At this point I don't careabout the hits.

Speaker 2 (01:50:35):
It's about not killing someone.
But if you want to see scoring,go up.

Speaker 1 (01:50:39):
I mean you put so there's a current, really
popularnot-legal-in-every-league bat
called a hypefire.
You put that in somebody'shands that can, with a wooden
bat, have 110 exit velo.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
They're going to crush it.
They're going to have home runslike crazy.
It Exit Velo.
They're going to crush it.
They're going to be at 120.
They're going to have home runslike crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:51:00):
It'd be fun to watch, though It'd be like a home run
derby every night.
That to me doesn't.
That's not fun, though.
Like a 15 to 14 baseball game,that's not fun.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
But if you're saying scoring is exciting, there you
go.

Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
So that's what most leagues view.
I don't think baseball hasfully gone that way.

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
I don't think so either and, to be honest, I
would be okay seeing morescoring, but I want to see it
infield stuff.
I want to see them running thebases and stealing, and that
excitement, not just hitting itout of the park all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:51:27):
Well, so that's some of these teams have gotten
better at it For a long time.
Like you had to tell you hey,we're not going to hit home runs
very much, we don't build alineup that hits a ton.
We're going to get on base,we're going to bunt and move
runners.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
We're going to do all those things and be really
strategic.

Speaker 1 (01:51:46):
And then it went to.
You'd have a lot of teams thatwere like I don't care if we
steal a base, it's long ball ornothing Like.
That's just kind of how theybuild the roster and then you
have the teams that really founda good balance and I think I
think baseball is in a reallygood position compared to what
they even were maybe 10 yearsago.
It's just, it's always going tobe a little bit slower sport,

(01:52:07):
it just is I don't mind it inthat sense because it is one
that you can.

Speaker 2 (01:52:11):
Just most sports I have to see everything going on
and every little play andeverything baseball I can, I can
kind of sit back, relax alittle bit more, maybe be on my
computer or something doingsomething, and can still watch
the game.

Speaker 1 (01:52:25):
The hardest thing about baseball is it's like
160-game season.

Speaker 2 (01:52:28):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:52:29):
It's long, it's too much.
As a sports fan, I don't havetime to sit and watch my team
play all those games and at thesame time.
You Really big baseball fansunderstand this.
But if you're more casual,trying to get into it, you're
used to football or tobasketball.
A loss sucks Like notnecessarily in the NBA.

(01:52:52):
They don't really care.

Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
Yeah, nba doesn't matter.
Like you're like.

Speaker 1 (01:52:55):
I kind of just have to get to a certain point.
Losses don't really matter,it's just I've got to win enough
.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
Well, that's college football, especially because you
have so few games.

Speaker 1 (01:53:01):
Right Now I will say this my brother, huge sports fan
, always has been doesn't likecollege football.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
He's missing out.

Speaker 1 (01:53:12):
But here's his reason and I kind of I get it.
He doesn't necessarily have ateam, he doesn't really feel
drawn to anybody, but at thesame time he'll tell you, you
know, he's a huge tar hillbasketball fan, so he likes him
in football as well.
And I told him.
I said well, I think the reasonyou don't like it's because
your team's not good yeah, 100and it wasn't me being like all

(01:53:36):
that you know but they had acouple good years there not long
ago.
But if you're not going for achampionship, what's it really
matter?
Like you're, you're not reallyexcited about a team that's not
got a uh, just a history ofwinning.
But there's not many teams thatdo.
But I think that's why, you see, the nfl is still going to be
so much more popular thancollege you feel like almost
every team has a shot In a way.

(01:53:57):
Yeah, All these teams kind ofalways have a shot.
Unless you're a CarolinaPanthers fan, you have no chance
, ever no chance.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
They're awful, or Cowboys, or the Jets.

Speaker 1 (01:54:06):
There's kind of those few teams that's like, yeah,
you suck, you don't have achance.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
Well, let's just get him on the bandwagon with the
Buckeyes.

Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
He'll never do that, come on.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
Brad Come on.

Speaker 1 (01:54:15):
Now.
I'll tell you this he's excitedabout Belichick, is he?
He made a statement Brad saidwe know the man ain't afraid to
cheat he's done it alreadyListen.
We may.
He said we may lose thenational championship 10 years
from now, but he said we got agood chance of winning one.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
He's gonna go out and make sure we get it.
So I think, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
I kind of laughed at that, but I'm like he's not
wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
We keep talking about these gray areas.
He may find some they livewithin them.

Speaker 1 (01:54:43):
man, now I think that's a huge get for them.
I mean, they're going to getsome players.

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
They will, but is he done?
Can he coach?
I think he's one of thegreatest coaches ever, but can
he still do it?
Because didn't they want to goyounger when they got rid of
Mack Brown?

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
Technically, but if a name comes like that, you can't
say no.

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
I know I agree with that, but how long can he stay?
They're probably only going toget three years out of him.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
He's kind of already made it kind of clear without
fully saying it I'll give youthree years, then you hire my
son.
Yeah, give you three years.

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
Then you hire my son.

Speaker 1 (01:55:15):
Yeah, like pretty, that's pretty well doing it
right out there I think so yeah,I think so, but at the same
time, but I don't think he hemight.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
Now, here's the thing wouldn't they hire a son
without that?

Speaker 1 (01:55:25):
no, not as a head coach.
Bill check, son, not as a headcoach.
No, I don't think, he justdidn't have the experience.
I'll say this excited to havebill and and chapel hill.
You know, capital bill, that'swhat they've been calling
capital bill um sorry, chapelbill.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
Chapel bill um that song in school.
I'm just a bill on capital hill, yeah, my wife sings that
literally all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
Still, um, two things that stick.
Yeah, chapel bill, he, uh, hisgirlfriend is basically the age
of all those guys, so like heknows how to get along with that
age.

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
So I mean give him money.

Speaker 1 (01:56:01):
And here's the thing they break up.
He's got a lot of options.
He's used to he's used to thatage Like it's, it's easy Um so I
do think it's a big get forthem, because he's got all the
ties.
You want to go play in the NFL.
It's a big get for them becausehe's got all the ties.
You want to go play in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
Come here, I've got more ties than literally
everyone, but you've still gotto win.
Do they have the NIL?
Money, maybe with him, maybe hecan go get it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:29):
So the issue is Jordan just gave a bunch of
money to some different peopleso they kind of missed their
mark on that.
Belichick can go get it,without a doubt.
I definitely can go get it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:42):
You just brought up Jordan and we talked about
Hubert Davis.
Yeah.
What point does Jordan say no,guys, I'm not giving us money or
I'm going to help you.
We're going to go find theright guy to do this and quit
hiring within.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
So Jordan doesn't really get involved with that.
That's kind of one thing we'veseen for a long time, like he
loves.

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
Well, he owns a NASCAR team now.

Speaker 1 (01:57:04):
He's a Chapel Hill guy Like he'll never not be.
He's very proud of being a Tar.

Speaker 2 (01:57:09):
Heel, so he's good with whatever they do.

Speaker 1 (01:57:11):
He kind of just stays out of it.
Honestly, not that he's likehappy with it, but he kind of
just stays out of it because hehe's almost kind of like that's
not my place you know, I justsaid jordan owns a part of a
nascar team now right he'sactually a lot of nascar races.

Speaker 2 (01:57:27):
We have our first nascar race this weekend coming
up.

Speaker 1 (01:57:29):
It's exhibition, oh, sorry, I fell asleep, my bad my
bad um you just, you just don'tget into it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:36):
That's what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:57:38):
There is nothing exciting about it to me.

Speaker 2 (01:57:40):
This is a little small track, older track that
they're coming to, I think it'sover around Raleigh, maybe for
exhibition.
They call it the Clash orwhatever.
It starts every year and thenin two weeks they'll be down in
Daytona.
That's the ones I like.
The big restrictor plate racesthey're all in huge packs
running 200 mile an hour,crashing everywhere.
I mean I'm sure they don't lovethe crashing, especially what
those cars cost, but it's fun towatch.

Speaker 1 (01:58:04):
I just I can't get into it, I can't follow it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
I know you don't know what good stuff is, I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:12):
No, I just watch real sports.
It's different.

Speaker 2 (01:58:17):
It is racing a sport.

Speaker 1 (01:58:20):
We've talked about this a little bit.
Motorsports, right, yeah, but Idon't feel like motorsports
falls in line with regularsports, like across the board.
Yeah, it feels different.
F1.
These are all big racing, it'smotorsports.

Speaker 2 (01:58:33):
It just doesn't feel like the same as A sport kind of
feels like using your body todo the movements.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know howelse to know.
I see what you're saying, butlike they're moving, they're
using their body, but they'reusing a car or a motorcycle or
whatever it is they're on, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58:48):
Motorsports feels very different to me.
Now that's also up for debatein a lot of sports.

Speaker 2 (01:59:04):
There's a lot of people that only recognize
baseball, football, basketballas a sport.
Everything else doesn't countthey they consider it a game or
an event.
See, I still look at liketennis, volleyball, golf, I
think okay.
So why?

Speaker 1 (01:59:11):
why is tennis a sport , but like you're kind of on the
fence with golf.
What would make you say no togolf, in a way, a sport but like
you're kind of on the fencewith golf.

Speaker 2 (01:59:18):
What would make you say no to golf in a way?
Um, it's more one personagainst a gazillion instead of a
one-on-one match or two-on-twomatch or kind of that thing.
I guess I feel like everythingelse is this team against that
team, whether it's one, one orfive on five or eleven on eleven
so if golf switched to allmatch play, it was one v1
tournament style, it would feelmore like it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:38):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:59:40):
I get where some people might say, well, it's
kind of more of a game becauseof it's, one versus however many
in a tournament.

Speaker 1 (01:59:49):
So I completely disagree with that logic.
Purely on to me the way I lookat it, purely on to me the way I
look at it, you are using yourbody and your in in a skill that
not everybody can have to do,something at the highest of
levels.
So like that's where I'm goingto say, like that's a sport

(02:00:10):
under that definition thatthat's that's where, that's
where I see it, and the onlyreason that it differs, like
with the motorsports side, is,yes, you've got to use your body
to control that car, but thecar is the driving force, not
your body.
Exactly, yes, like you're nothaving to pedal it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:26):
So do you see track and field of sport?

Speaker 1 (02:00:32):
So track, I say yes, some of the field, I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (02:00:40):
That's where I follow golf is kind of what you're
saying Because they're stillusing their body to throw a shot
or whatever they're doing.

Speaker 1 (02:00:48):
For me.
I think it just kind of dependson the event In a way, which is
kind of weird to say, but itjust feels like it depends.

Speaker 2 (02:00:58):
I didn't know he was going to get into what, what?

Speaker 1 (02:01:00):
is a sport.
We never know where we're going.
What?

Speaker 2 (02:01:01):
about now.
I want to think of somethingjust throw something.

Speaker 1 (02:01:05):
What about darts?

Speaker 2 (02:01:07):
no, darts ain't a sport.
I don't think I mean they'reusing their body and throwing
stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:01:11):
It's a bar game like it doesn't feel like I, but I
feel the same way about pool.
How about cornhole?

Speaker 2 (02:01:19):
I don't think it's you know, I kind of agree with
the pool.

Speaker 1 (02:01:21):
I don't think it's sport either but I don't think
cornhole is either.
It feels the exact same, theydo feel like games more than
sports exactly they like I cansee that now, don't get me wrong
these like I've watchedcornhole on espn.
Those dudes are good I see.

Speaker 2 (02:01:35):
That's where I struggle with.
Where does it fit between gameand sport?
I can see both sides.

Speaker 1 (02:01:42):
So not saying you can do it at the highest level, but
literally anyone could go throwa cornhole bag and you'd be
pretty decent without reallyeven ever playing.

Speaker 2 (02:01:58):
I think you got some golf bias here.

Speaker 1 (02:02:01):
I hear the golf, but I'm just saying if you've never
played golf, go try it oh, it'smuch harder.
People think it's easy and it'snot I just so.
To me it's.
It's almost like there's askill level.
It takes a lot of skill to doit.
It's.
It's not just as simple as I'mgoing to go out there and hit it
and I'm going to you know itit's.
It's not just as simple as I'mgoing to go out there and hit it
and I'm going to you know, dodecent.
Yeah, that's not going tohappen.

Speaker 2 (02:02:21):
We talk about how hard it is to hit a, you know, a
baseball.
What's different with golf andbaseball?
When people try to compare thetwo?

Speaker 1 (02:02:28):
you have a round bat correct, so it it doesn't matter
so much like it matters, butthe wrist angle doesn't matter
exactly where your hand matterswhen it hits on it.
Your wrist angle doesn't matteras much where your hands are
pointed and that is what's.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
and then you, now you have a club that has to be the
face of certain directions, acertain angle, everything.
But now you're putting it onthe ground.
It's smaller.
It's very hard to do Muchharder than most people think.

Speaker 1 (02:02:53):
I'll throw you one other one.

Speaker 2 (02:02:55):
Boxing Status sport hard to do much harder than I'll
throw you one other one.
Boxing is that a sport?
Um?

Speaker 1 (02:03:04):
that's a hard one, isn't it?
That's a very hard one becauseboxing again, like I think, when
people talk about hardestsports to do, it is always
really high on the list becauseit's so technical and like, like
, anybody can throw a punch.
See, I don't not.
Everybody can fight I don'tthink very different.

Speaker 2 (02:03:18):
That's a very different thing, mma, and that
kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:03:20):
I don't think it's a sport so I feel very much the
same way as racing.

Speaker 2 (02:03:27):
It is combat sport to me like motorsport, so it's
kind of its own separate.
But you are using your body andyou're you are.

Speaker 1 (02:03:36):
But it's the only one that you are trying to then
incapacitate someone Before.
It's like I either got to scoremore points, I've got to.

Speaker 2 (02:03:44):
Haven't you seen these hits on Mahomes that they
call these penalties?

Speaker 1 (02:03:48):
Yeah, like the one that LeBron flopped the other
night.
Three guys jump next to him.
He holds his head and they callfoul.

Speaker 2 (02:03:55):
That's a combat sport .
Lebron has been taking someshots.

Speaker 1 (02:03:59):
Oh, dear lord, and on that note, no, I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (02:04:03):
I'm with you on those .
There's different categories.

Speaker 1 (02:04:05):
So, yeah, I think to me it's almost like a
subcategory.

Speaker 2 (02:04:09):
Ping pong?
Where does that go?
No shot.
So tennis is a sport to you,right?
You agree with that, I agree.
Where does pickleball fall then?

Speaker 1 (02:04:18):
Same thing as ping pong.
That's where I see it.
But isn't tennis just a littlesmaller.
They basically stole a wiffleball to do it.
So because they have adifferent ball, it's no longer a
sport.
No, it's just slightly biggerping pong.
That's how I feel about it orslightly smaller tennis.
Played very different though.

Speaker 2 (02:04:40):
I'm going to call it a sport.
I don't care what you say.
It's a sport.

Speaker 1 (02:04:43):
You can be wrong.

Speaker 2 (02:04:44):
It's fine, I just put it on the list, it's official.
Oh, so it's official, it'sofficial 2025 official sport
list.

Speaker 1 (02:04:51):
I am in control of what is a sport list here a
sport list here and I'm controlof the mute button, so good luck
with that.
Um, yeah, but that's been a lotof.

Speaker 2 (02:05:03):
I didn't think we were going there tonight, but
that'll probably be a discussionyou know, we always start out
with notes and I'm sure I have afew things still in my notes.
We didn't oh, I've got likethree that I know we didn't get
to it's okay, we get to a lot ofstuff that was never on my
notes to begin with, and that'sthe best stuff, so so what I
will say is I did read a coupleof posts, um, from our facebook,
uh, this evening.

Speaker 1 (02:05:23):
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Leave us either a message, acomment, comment If it's just
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Speaker 1 (02:05:51):
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So here's the thing you ask aquestion, one of us will either
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But if you give us somethinggood enough, I'll be more than
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We'll argue with you.
Why not?
It'll be fun, or at least davidwill, because he's been looking
for somebody to argue with you.
Why not?
It'll be fun, or at least Davidwill, because he's been looking
for somebody to argue with fora week.
Yeah, so he's very upset.
No one argued with him.

Speaker 2 (02:06:19):
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I hate their comment.

Speaker 1 (02:06:21):
Yeah.
So if you are hearing this, goargue with him.
He'll love it, he'll be all forit.

Speaker 2 (02:06:27):
Yeah, nobody's arguing with me yet Please do
them, but I'd stick up my postup that nobody's commented on I
felt like everybody argued, Itried to jump in and I just got
and they just ignored it andkept going yeah, well, you know
what there's like.
This is the guy that hateseverything.

Speaker 1 (02:06:42):
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scary.
Just just argue with him, it'llbe fine.
I'm not scary at all, I know Iknow well, on that note, guys,
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