Are We Ready for March? The Madness Begins!

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
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Speaker 2 (00:58):
It's like you had notes in front of you and I'm
looking at you.
You didn't have.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
I don't have notes, no, it's just, it's called my
brain and those notes areusually a little scattered so
who knows how that could go.
But we are in a weird time ofsports.
We have probably the fewestthings going on right now than
we'll have all year.
We do spring training.

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Baseball most people don'treally care.
Football's over over.
Golf is in kind of early stages.
It's super long season.
Nascar the same way.
They're in the early stages ofa super long season.
So there's not a whole lot forpeople to really be excited
about, unless you're a collegebasketball fan.
That's heating up, because it isMarch and we all know what time

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that means March Madness, whichmainly happens in april, but
march I've always thought thatsame thing.
Because you wait till march,you're like, oh, it's march, and
then they they don't start theconference tournament still
halfway through the month, Iknow you've got another.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
What we're?
So we're march, whatever day,it is first week of march.
And we've got another week ofcollege basketball regular
season games.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Then we get to the conference champions, then we
get to the we've got theremainder of this week because I
know, like as a Carolina fan,we only got one game left.
Good thing, we were on a hotstreak, one of our last six,
because we got to play DukeSaturday and I don't think we
can beat.
Now we're playing way better.
I mean, I'll say that we'replaying way better, I mean.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
I'll say that we're playing way better.
Is there a shot to get in thetournament still?

Speaker 1 (02:26):
They're going to have to win, I think, three rounds.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Because they're sitting at that threshold too.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
They're currently listed.
I mean, I've got Bracketologypulled up right here.
They are currently listed asfirst four out.
What's their record right now?
20 and 11.
Okay, so they're so.
They've made a push.
They did make a push, but Ithink now, if they beat Duke,
there's a good chance that couldthat could help them a lot that
could get them in, because justbecause of how elevated Duke is

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right now, it seems theyweren't then maybe not this year
, being a Kentucky fan.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Kentucky has beat a lot of highly ranked teams but
lost to a lot of teams but itseems that the beating good
teams is helping you more thanlosing to bad teams is hurting
you.
So if they could knock off Duke, that might go a long way.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
I think it would go a long way because they don't
really have a marquee win forthe year.
There's nobody that you can say, hey, they beat this team.
Running through the ACC minusthe top three guys ahead of them
doesn't mean much, because theACC is just bad.
I mean you've got CarolinaClemson Louisville, yeah, or,
excuse me, duke ClemsonLouisville.

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Outside of that, nothing.
So currently, yes, they arelisted first four out.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
And I don't even think Clemson and Louisville is
doing that well, are they?

Speaker 1 (03:42):
So Clemson was still ranked last I looked.
Let's see here doing that well,are they?
So Clemson was still rankedlast I looked, so they're having
probably one of their betterseasons.
Oh, okay, they're doing betterthan I thought.
Yeah, I mean, they're still upthere.
They're 11th in the country.
Yeah, so 24-5 on the year Lostfive games For Clemson.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
that's a fantastic year.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Clemson hasn't had a year like that in a long time.
Typically, obviously, that'sright down the mountain for for
where we're at.
But we always I've always madefun of clemson because they'll
start their year and they'll goplay wofford and they'll go play
upstate south carolina andthey'll go play you know,
coastal and they'll just comeout and they'll be 12 and 0 and
they get ranked and then theyget into acc and maybe win three

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games the season.
They did that for like eightyears straight and everybody's
like oh, this is clemson.
It's kind of like tennesseefootball fans.
It was always gonna be theiryear next year clemson's like oh
nope, we're actually good thisyear.
And then I have some buddiesthat are big time clemson fans
and they're this year now saying, oh, this is our year.
I'm like all right, you said itfor 15 straight, like,
eventually you're gonna getlucky and it's gonna be your,

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that's what you do every year.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Just this is my year, yes, and you're going to get
eventually uh, but I was lookinghere at the uh, march madness
date.
So I didn't actually realizethis.
They are squeezing ineverything except the final four
championship in march.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
It's going to barely actually get it in.
They are right, yeah, so finalfour goes april 5th and the
championship which that's thething you got to think about.
We're, like you said, first weekof march and we're going to get
all conference tournaments andall but what.
Two rounds of the ncaatournament, yeah, from now until
the end of all the way throughthe elite eight.
That's a lot of games.
That is now, as a fan, superexcited.

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Like this is my secondchristmas.
Like I love this time of yearbecause you just basically turn
the tv on in the morning, theystart super early and it just
runs all night long oh, oh, I do.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
I've um in my home office.
There I've got a TV that Ievery year I'll set up right
there by my desk, and or mightput something on my computer too
, if I need to and havedifferent games going.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Did you?
Did you always find a way to doit in school?
Did you always?
Did you at least have that oneteacher?

Speaker 2 (05:36):
that'd be like, yeah, we can turn it on if y'all are
good.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Oh man, I would purposely schedule computer
classes second semester so thatI could have it pulled up One
year.
I remember I didn't get one,but my teacher, he actually was
kind of a big-time track star atWestern Carolina at one point
and he was the coach of thetrack team, but just a huge
sports fan so I was like allright if we play our card drive.
So he put it on there.

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So the man went and rented outthe TV Because this is okay,
we're talking old.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
We had to wheel the tv.
I was thinking the same thing.
You have to wheel.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
He went and rented one out, we hooked it to the
computer and you know we watchedit the whole class period.
Luckily he was my home roomalso, so I got to do you know a
little bit of both.
So we we did.
We tried as much as possible tohave it going.
It got much easier as you getolder, because then you just
pull up on a laptop and you knowthey've got their.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I pull them up on my phone, ripping them where I'm at
everything correct.
So now for, like these kidsthat want to watch it, you just
pull it up like it's simple youknow that's, I don't feel like
I'm that old, but there was noiphones when I was in high
school no, what were you?

Speaker 1 (06:38):
the first iphone come out I don't know.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
That's a good question.
You got a guess.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
What's your guess?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
I feel like we've talked about this before.
I really do.
We might have, but I can'tremember my first one was like
the 3G or something like thatthat came out and that was
2010-ish something, so I'm goingto guess 2006.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
So iPhone was around when I was in high school.
Okay, I didn't have one,because they were unbelievably
expensive when they first cameout.
See, the Razr was still popularback then.
Yes, I had one of those For allof you that know what the Razr
was.
You're right there around ourage.
Not the new Razr, not this onethey kind of re-released.
That wasn't the same thing.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
And we're not talking about a scooter either.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
No, I mean heck, we probably had.
I had one of those too, when Iwas a kid, but that's a whole
different ballgame.
So June 29th 2007.
2007.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Okay, so See, I graduated in 05.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Between my sophomore and senior or, excuse me, junior
and senior year.
Yeah, because that had beenthat summer.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Now, when I was in high school, the other thing
that was big was the NexTelphone.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
I don't know if of those.
Okay, so I remember them, butthey weren't big around here,
okay, none of those featuresworked here well, I could see
that it's got more in themountains here and stuff correct
.
So there was several of thosephones.
I was like, oh cool, you havethis walkie talkie availability
and it was always you know theasterisk at the bottom subject
to availability.
It never had availability.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
I don't know why we thought that was a good idea.
Um well, I guess I do know,because then we had to pay for
our minutes, you know whatever.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, or you had to wait till nine o'clock when it
was free.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
So the walkie talkie didn't count your minutes, but
you would have your phone inyour pocket and your buddy, just
you know, keyed up like awalkie talkie, and start yelling
at you and everybody hears.
What's good.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
You know the younger crowd, it was the younger crowd.
Yeah, Because as technologywent, they're like, oh, I want
the next thing.
And the older crowd was stillkind of scared of it, like give
me the old, just simple but wewent from walkie talkies just
yelling out where everybodycould hear, to now we're texting
.

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We ain't talking to callsanymore.
I was actually watching a clipof a guy this weekend and he's
talking about how bad his socialanxiety is and basically all he
does is content creation.
And he said I made a phone call, was trying to schedule a
massage and he just absolutelybutchered speaking and he's like
it's not fair.
He's like because in YouTubewhen I mess up I just edit it
out.
Now, when I have to actuallytalk to somebody face to face or
on the phone or whatever, he'slike in youtube when I mess up.
I just edit it out now.
When I have to actually talk tosomebody you know face, you

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know face face or on the phoneor whatever he's like, I don't
even know how to do it if youget nervous and you got anxiety.
You're trying to figure out whatto say and you know well, yeah,
I mean, it was this whole thinglike the the masseuse had, his
masseuse had left to a new placeand he's trying to like see if
he can get his information toher to kind of, you know, reach
out and like he was good.
And then right there at the endhe just he just slips up and

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he's like yeah, just uh.
And then he just startsrambling and like this is all
being recorded Cause he justhe's just playing the clip and
he's like what am I doing?
He's like I was so good andthen I just got so dumb at the
end.
There's a lot of people I willnever hear from her.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, a lot of people are like that.
Now, I don't know if it'sbecause of texting.
You know the older generationwill say well, everybody texts
and that's why you can'tcommunicate.
I don't know if it's that or ifit's just, uh, everybody's more
shy.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
It seems like you know through apps on the
computer or on your phone orwhatever.
I mean so many remote workingand all this stuff, so like
you're not face-to-face havingto talk to people every day.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
I mean most of my bills and everything I do
through an app.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, I mean, nobody wants to really.
So basically they're looking atit and saying we don't need to
have a conversation for thesesmall things.
But because of that, now thesesmall things, nobody's having
conversations, because the smallthings is what keeps you having
conversations.
Like you know, when we're outhere at the driving range, we
talk to people all the time.
You don't have a choice, likethere's just always people, some

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of them, you can't get awayfrom.
There's one or two in particularI can think of, and I've seen
both of them this week andluckily you got stopped by one
of those yesterday it wasn't, itwasn't me, because I got
stopped by him.
What it's thursday or fridaylast week and it was two hours.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
I couldn't get away but I love talking to him.
Oh no, sometimes I've got.
It's not that I'm talking tohim.
It's just it feels like everytime they show up it's right in
the middle of something that'sthe thing, and I'm like gosh, I
don't have two hours I don'twant to be rude and walk away,
and so I'm trying to get it done.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
I was raised to be polite and sometimes it's just
got to go.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
So something I did think of, though that happened
to me this week.
I don't think I've told youthis, maybe I did, I don't
remember.
I got a letter in the mail fromthe North Carolina
Transportation Department, okay,and apparently the entrance on
my wife's car had lapsed, yep,and now I got gotta pay him some
money, and I didn't know it.

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So I called the insurancecompany I think it was yesterday
or day before, something likethat and I I guess I didn't get
the bill, let's say that was.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Was that during the period when because I know there
you had an issue with the car?
You're working on it, nodriving, no, this is after that.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Okay, yeah yeah, I done took care of all the the
mechanical issue you had and allthat.
This was really recently, andso I call them up and I said,
okay, what do I got to do here?
Okay, I had to back pay all theinsurance that I missed,
correct.
And I said, okay, they're, youknow they're gonna send
something to the government tosay, hey, he's got it.
I said, okay, do I still got topay this?

(12:00):
It's a 50 fine.
Yeah, you got to pay the 50fine.
I said.
So why am I paying the back paythen, if I got to?

Speaker 1 (12:03):
pay this.
It's a $50 fine.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, you got to pay the $50, fine, I said.
So why am I paying the back pay?
Then, if I got to pay, the fineanyways.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
So there's still maybe paying to catch it up On
that form.
On that form and I know thisbecause Amanda recently just did
the exact same thing, Hers didit- I thought there was
something there, but I didn'tknow any details.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
So, amanda, did so.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Amanda did the exact same thing on hers and she was
like you know, I'm gonna behonest, I'm gonna tell them,
like you know, she checked thething, like, yes, I did this,
you know here's this.
Well, because she was honest,they make you do a hearing over
the phone you have like it's.
It's so much easier to basicallyjust say nope, we got it.

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Have to do the back pay, havethe pay all that.
Let insurance basically justsay, hey, here, we got it all.
Do the back pay, have theinsurance pay all that.
Let insurance basically justsay, hey, here, we got it all,
we're good.
But if you're like, nope, I didthis, yes, you know.
Whatever the question I don'tremember the exact question on
there Basically did you operateit knowing that you didn't have
it and it was like, yeah, once Irealized I didn't have it, it
was like all right, now you havea hearing and if you don't do

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the hearing, your plate isbasically suspended for 30 days
and I'm like all right.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
So she's going to get her plate suspended?
No, so she's doing the hearing.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
No I think it's this week sometime.
I'm glad I don't do that it'sliterally like it's going to be
a nothing thing.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Like, hey, we did the fine, I've already got the
insurance caught back up andtaken care of.
And then, yeah, you check theboxes and and one says did you
knowingly drive it correct?
No, I didn't.
I didn't know it was right.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Until you put the letter in my mailbox I did not
know correct, and that was thething is like when amanda got
some kind of letter and it waslike oh, now I know.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Cause it was like not even realizing it at first, and
then it was like, oh yeah, nowI do know, and now I and you
know you got to drive, yeah,Correct, and, and you know so
and again it's.
I wouldn't lie but I think Istill say like I don't condone
the lying, but it's one of those.
It's like I still have to payyou regardless you gotta pay the

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future like there's not gonnabe much difference in what
happens here, so it's the samething.
Like your, your plate expiresI've done that before and
they're gonna write you a ticketfor it and it's like, hey, go
get it fixed, and we dropeverything I.
I forget about it all the time,like yeah, listen, I've checked
many of them, for you know mypast life, my past career, all

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this stuff, but now I couldn'ttell you the last time I've
looked at it I don't payattention to it because I don't
care, you don't stick thereanymore.
Yeah, I mean I probably need tocheck mine today.
I really don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Because they send you the thing in the mail like
several months in advance andI'm the mail like several months
in advance and I'm not goingthat early, I don't forget about
it.
And then I see it, and then Igotta find time to go down there
and and every time I do it itwon't be like real long.
Often it'd be a month or two,whatever.
I'd forgotten about it, correct.
And then I gotta pay a penalty,correct, for not doing on time.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yep, I mean, they're getting me everywhere I turn
around, that's that's the way itworks, but I really don't know
how we went off onto that.
I don't either From collegebasketball to basically breaking
the law is what just happened.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Unknowingly breaking the law.
Does that help?

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Okay, I mean, it's still the same.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
You said it, you brought it up, here we go.
Okay, you ready for this?
Okay, you said breaking the law, breaking the law, yep, okay, I
know where we're going.
You know where we're going.
It just took me a minute.
I was waiting for you to catchon here.
Yeah, I had to think about itfor a second.
I was like where is he goingwith it?
I'm seeing a lot of stufflately, yep, about these

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protests going on in differentareas, especially colleges.
In different areas, especiallycolleges, and there's a lot of
people upset that the currentpresident and administration is
trying to stop it.
And they're saying well, you'restopping free speech, you're

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doing this, that whatever.
Do they not realize that whathe is stopping it literally says
in his executive order if youare illegally protesting.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
I think there's been a big confusion over the past I
don't know 15 years in thedifference in what a legal
protest is and freedom of speech, and we're kind of blurring
some lines that people don'tquite understand.
For one, I'm all for freespeech, I am too.
But what I will say with that,say whatever you want, but if

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there are consequences becauseof what you say, freedom of
speech does not mean freedom ofconsequence.
Okay, fine.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
That's cool.
You come up to my podcast rightnow or before you go off or
wherever, and you start causinga scene saying a bunch of stuff
and there's families around andkids around and you're being
just you know bad language.
Where I can ask you leave?
That is not hurting your.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Your freedom of speech no, but even then north
carolina.
That is against the law that'smy point, because Because at
that point you are disturbing.
The peace is what it's called.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
I think people are losing again kind of what you
said the meaning of free speechthat doesn't give you the right
to say anything you want,wherever you want.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
You still can't violate somebody else's rights,
it gives you the right to do it.
You just got to then be readyfor what happens next.
Well, you just got to then beready for what happens next.
Well, I mean, you kind of havethe right to do whatever you
want, but as long as you getready for the consequences.
And that's what I'm saying islike now, don't get me wrong.
We are not even Europe or someof these countries that if you
say something they don't like,even online, you can get jail
time for it.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
We don't have stuff like that and that's where I see
.
That's what free speech isthose things you can do but you
can't.
You know again a college wherea lot of these are happening.
A lot of those are publiccolleges getting federal and
state funding.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Correct.
So a lot of that's public area,a lot of that's public public
facilities and they areprotesting.
Protest wherever you want toprotest.
I have no issue with youprotesting.
I don't care, honestly, what itis.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
I don't either.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Your right as an American citizen protest.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Depending on where you do it at.
Again, Right.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
But I'm saying like legal lawful protests yes, do it
.
That's covered by the FirstAmendment.
Awesome, cool, go do it.
Like we see it up here at thecourthouse almost every weekend.
Yeah, from one side or theother, but at the point in time
that you're keeping cars frombeing able to travel on the road
or people be able to passthrough, or you're starting to
harass people, all right, nowwe're no longer in legal lawful

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protest.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
We're starting to get into a realm of we are now
doing some illegal acts withinthat.
So that's where it's like okay,if the illegal stuff starts,
we're going to stop it.
Yeah, why are we arguing thatif you break the law, we should
stop you, and I don't get that.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Nobody has said anything, even even president
trump has not said we'restopping all protests.
You cannot protest againstthings we don't like, and and
that's where he's kind of he's,he's not violating no, he said
constitution, we're going tostop illegal protests and that
should be stopped and it's, it's.
Drove me nuts seeing this stufflately because of that same

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reason, right there and againlike protesting.
I don't think I've everprotested in my life.
No, I think there's very few,if any, protests that actually
make a difference, because yougo out there with a sign and you
can say whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
So in modern times agree, modern times, because at
one point, protesting was thebiggest thing you could do.
Now, with the way that you canI mean you can start a podcast,
you can have a blog and countLike it's it's easy to get your
word out way easier.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Can you think of something in history that you
think protests made a difference?

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Um civil rights Okay.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
I think that's kind of what I go to too.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
And again, I don't.
I won't say that all of thosewere legal.
Obviously I wasn't aroundduring the time, but whether you
were on one side or the other,at some point it caused such a
big disturbance that it's like,okay, we've got to figure
something out.
Now, again, I am very much.
God created us all equal.
We all are.
Yeah, Now that doesn't meanthat we are equal as human

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beings Like you are verydifferent than I am, and that's
okay.
Many people are very differentthan I am, and that's okay.
You are supposed to bedifferent, that's what makes
humanity.
But you are not lesser or morethan someone because of skin
color or gender or any of thatLike that.
That's what I don't understand.
It's like hey, it's really easy, I don't have to go be a part

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of a movement, I just have tolive my life that you know the
way God tells me to live it Likeit's.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
It's pretty simple at that point and those are the
ones that, even in today'ssociety, things that need to be
protested, fine, if you're doingit legally, have at it.
That's your right, that's youropinion and everything else.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
But again, like you mentioned, don't stop traffic,
don't be, you know, harassingpeople, don't be loitering like
stores and everything else, onesthat I see that are, I feel
like the most common are some ofyour vegan and vegetarian that
are wanting to protest outsideof processing, that's a good
point.
I'm like okay, if you want to,if you feel that way and you

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want to protest, cool.
But at the point in time thatyou are standing and sitting in
the middle of the road stoppingtrucks from getting in and out
right now, you broke the law.
But then they're getting madand then trying to sue these
people when they are beingremoved from the road and it's
like all right, you shouldn't beallowed to sue somebody.
When you were found guilty ofbreaking the law, why are you

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then suing Now?
I'm not saying that you should,you know, beat these people and
you should do these things.
I don't mean that obviouslylike no, but use, use the amount
of force necessary basically ishow they would word it to
remove someone and then leteverybody just keep on rolling.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
In my opinion, if you're stopping traffic like
that, or trucks, or hurting thebusiness, you're then again, all
these rights that we havecannot infringe on somebody
else's rights, correct?

Speaker 1 (21:59):
And that's the part that a lot of people do forget.
Yes, just because you have therights doesn't mean that you can
do something that breaks myrights.
Yes, I have the same rights.
We both have the same rights.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, so if you have the right to sit in the road and
stop my trucks, I have theright to keep running my trucks
up and down the road and makeyou move Correct, because that's
my right to do it and I thinkpeople are like you just need to
arrest them.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
You can't.
And this isn't even talkingpolitical, this is just talking
about in general, everyday stuff.
If people disagree with thingsthey're like, well, I can't be
friends with them because theydisagree All the time.
And it's like I don't want allof my friends to like.
I don't want to be a carboncopy of each other, because
that's miserable.
It is Like we give Will a hardtime about the whole LeBron and

(22:43):
Michael Jordan stuff and he's adude fan and it's one of my fun
like the most fun things we cando during the week is just
giving him a hard time aboutthat stuff and him doing it back
to us.
I like the fact that hedisagrees with me.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, it's not going to stop me from being a friend,
like Paul, one of our goodfriends.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
He's an Alabama fan.
That's tough to be friends witha man that's an alabama fan.
It is, but I don't care like atthe end of the day you're.
You're a kentucky fan, I'm acarolina fan.
Okay, like I want.
I want the differences.
Because if we were, if we'reall just this one big group, we
all cheer for the same teams, weall do the same stuff it kind
of just gets old.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Well, it's even that way in politics a little bit.
You know there's some things inpolitics that are too far that
I can't condone.
Or you know, not saying I can'tbe friendly with them, but it's
not something I'm gonna hangout with if they have completely
different opinions on somethings.
But even most politics we allhave little differences on, and
that's okay of course.
Of course it shouldn't stop usfrom, you know, being friendly

(23:41):
or friends in some instances.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
I do think, though, like we talked about, because of
the the push in technology andnobody really talks anymore.
People aren't used to beingaround people that differ, like
you.
Go find your little facebookgroups or your stuff on on, you
know, discord or instagram orwhatever these programs are, and
you just go find the groupsthat you like.
I reflect perfectly with thesepeople.

(24:04):
Yeah, so then when somebodysays something different, you've
got 2,000 people all todisagree, instead of just like
sitting here having aconversation of like.
Oh, here's why I believe thisand here's why you believe this.
I don't agree with you, butthis is a cool conversation.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, like you can have fun with it.
We've talked before aboutconspiracy theories.
Oh, of course I have myopinions on on certain things
sure flat earth and land on themoon and all this but I still
like to hear the other side,like where are they getting this
from?

Speaker 1 (24:29):
like you know, that's it's and it's funny you said
flat earth, because there's beena bunch of of videos recently.
It's like these flat earthershere's how they're gonna prove
it, and then they're disprovingthemselves in the video and it's
like, all right now, how do we,how do we swing this?
How do we, how do we make theshift and say, no, it actually
is.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
I don't again.
I don't know how we get herehalf the time, but let's just
put out there flat earth orround earth, are you?

Speaker 1 (24:53):
I, I mean, I'm a round earth, I am too round.
I don't, I don't have anythingthat's shown me not.
Okay, like now what I will say.
There are some things that flatearthers say then like that's
very interesting and maybe, butthere's not enough proof yeah to
then switch of what we'realready saying I'm the same way,
that's how I feel with it.

(25:14):
So I'm like if you gave meenough that you could say it has
to be this, it's 100, thismaybe so landed on the moon
absolutely I don't think we didand and for that exact reason,
I've seen enough information andhave enough?

Speaker 2 (25:25):
um, I don't think we did and, and for that exact
reason, I've seen enoughinformation and have enough um,
I don't know what you call intelor whatever, but even I'd feel
like we did not land on the mooneven the things that we do
believe to be true, the stuffthat you're taught in school,
you know.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
You know columbus discovering america.
Well, then, they come to findout.
Well, he didn't really.
He was actually, actually, youknow, more, like the Bahamas,
you know.
So you saw a lot of people that, like Nope, 1492, columbus
sailed the ocean, blue America,and it's like well, kinda, and,
and so the biggest thing, likewe've said before, both of us
somewhat like history todifferent degrees the Victor

(26:04):
controls the narrative, for sure, sure, so there's so many
things that we will never knowexactly how it laid out, and so
those are things.
I'm like man, I just wish, Iwish I knew more any other
conspiracy theories you canthink of that?

Speaker 2 (26:16):
oh, don't go down that right there's so many we
don't have to get into.
I just want to.
Oh, no, no, obviously, becausethey're.
Let's lay our platform well, soobviously the the big one.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Still going on is ufos, aliens.
What, what happens?

Speaker 2 (26:31):
there are ufos a real thing.
Are aliens a real thing?

Speaker 1 (26:36):
so those are two different questions okay, I
didn't know how well, because aufo is just something
unidentified, okay, like thatcould literally be another
country doing something, be ourown government something that we
don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Okay, yeah, yeah, so that's where.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, so that's where you'll see a lot of
conspiracies saying all right,if we're saying ufos.
So now there's two terms.
I don't remember the other term, what they call it, you know uh
I don't get deep into orsomething like that.
Basically, do I think there'splenty of unexplained stuff?
Yes, do I believe it's littlegray men.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
No, do you believe there's life on other planets?

Speaker 1 (27:16):
I have no reason to believe there is.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
I mean just at the moment, like there's no, there's
nothing telling me, you have areason to believe there's not.
It's just kind of where I fall.
I don't really have a reasonthat I don't, but it's like it's
kind of the same thing.
You know the same way that youare in your little towns and
cities and say here's why we dostuff here and why you don't do

(27:39):
it in a bigger area.
Same thing like when you cometo the world.
We have no reason to believethere's something else yeah
there.
We've never had somebody comevisit.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
We never had well, see, some people say some people
say that they do, so you, youdon't think we've had any.
I've never had an experience totell me otherwise I'm with you
there, so now I will say, beingout, you know, in the woods,
especially where we live, youcan see the sky.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Fantastic, like seeing what's elon musk's
company starlink, starlink, thestarlink satellites.
First time you see it you'relike holy crap, what is that?

Speaker 2 (28:11):
what is?

Speaker 1 (28:11):
it.
It gets you and you startlooking.
You're like, oh, that's prettycool, like it's interesting.
So that's where I'm like allthese things that people say
they saw a hundred years ago.
You couldn't pull your phoneout and google what is this?
Like you just well that's wherea hundred years ago technology
very different.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
But I don't, um, I don't think there's life on
other planets.
If there is, I don't thinkthey've.
They've came here again.
There's so much out there wedon't know.
It's kind of like the bottom ofthe ocean, you know, could
there be, possibly, but I don'thave a reason to believe it.
I'm kind of with you on that.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
That's what drives me insane, though.
We are spending so much moneyas a world to figure out what's
outside of it, and we don't evenknow what's here.
There's so many things that wefind in the ocean every year
that blows our mind, and wearen't spending more money to
figure that out.
That's crazy, that's crazy tome, and again why I don't like
the ocean.
There's too many questionablethings there that you're not on

(29:06):
top of the food chain.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Well, there's one of those in the ocean, the the loch
ness monster.
Oh, that's not in the ocean, uh, well, no, but in the water, I
guess.
Uh, but it made me think ofthis.
So let me ask you this question.
Okay, bigfoot, is he real ornot?
I guess not.
He is the species, a thing Iwant it to be.
Is the species a thing I wantit to be?
You want it?

Speaker 1 (29:26):
to be Okay, wait a minute, that's a whole nother.
I kind of want it to be justbecause I feel like it'd be cool
.
But again, the area that I grewup my whole life, the amount of
people that I know that arehardcore hunters and this is not
just my area, this is allacross the country.
There are thousands uponthousands of people in the woods

(29:47):
every year.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Some people get videos but we've never.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
they're very grainy.
These guys are gonna kill one,Like these backwoods rednecks.
They're not gonna like see itand take a picture.
They're gonna Mount it.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, Like you can't tell me that you don't want
likefoot hands, feet and a headon your wall.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
We've got a local auto shop that we've been in,
slammed full of taxidermy andsome cool stuff, some really
cool stuff, everything you canthink of yeah, there would be a
Bigfoot.
Grizzly bears, wolves In there,100%, you name it, the people
that owned it.
They've really traveled theworld and killed some really,
really interesting creatures andkilled some really, really
interesting creatures andthey've got them there.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, you make a good point.
There would be one in that shop.
That's where.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
I'm like we would have something more and I feel
that way with any.
You know, loch Ness isdifferent.
I'm not saying I necessarilybelieve that, but that's
different because they kind ofclaim there's one Bigfoot.
They claim there are multiplespecies, there's you know X
amount of them in the wild.
I feel like we'd have gottenone by this point, like, unless

(30:48):
they just have senses that arethey would have to be so
intelligent, and then I'dquestion that's creepy, what
they're doing anyways?
I still.
I mean I want it to be real.
You know, like that's one ofthose, like I want it to be
because it's that's one of thethe conspiracies.
It's not hurting people one wayor the other.
There's no negative if it isreal.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
What's the possibility?
That Bigfoot is from anotherplanet and that's why we can't
find him?
He just goes back home, ormaybe he goes.
You said something about something going in and out of the
ocean.
Maybe he lives in the ocean.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
So that's kind of the big belief anymore is that
there are.
I say he, I'm assuming they're,she's, and everything there's
gotta be if they're repopulating, if they're real Again.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
We're talking about this like it's real, but had to
refrain from a comment there.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Sorry, I'll say it afterwards.
Okay, you'll get it immediately, but yeah.
So conspiracies to me are fun,but I like more of the.
I don't like getting intopolitical conspiracies.
The.
I don't like getting intopolitical conspiracies.
I enjoy the.
Is our ghost real Bigfoot?

Speaker 2 (31:48):
That's a good one.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
All those because it's not hurting you one way or
another.
If somebody believes in Bigfoot, cool, good for you.
You're excited about going tohunt for them.
Good for you.
Go have fun, that's notaffecting anybody.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
It is a government thing.
But I kind of feel that wayabout the moon as well, like
whether we land on the moon ornot isn't really affecting me
it's not affecting anybody, likethe whole space race thing,
like that's not a thing anymore,and even the flat earth, if you
are a believer in the fact thatwe landed on the moon, argue it

(32:23):
.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
explain to me why you think so, because there are to
me there are enough other things, not even talking about the
footage, not saying any of thatstuff.
But when you talk to any reallysmart scientist, rocket
scientist, whatever it may be,they say we do not have the

(32:45):
technology to get therecurrently, but we did in the 60s
.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
I can't imagine that we got there in the 60s and
we're talking about Elon Muskand the Starlink and all that
stuff and that group SpaceXcan't get there today, right the
?

Speaker 1 (32:59):
technology in all of computers has progressed so
quickly and yet we could do itthen and can't now.
But then there's.
There's these belts ofradiation just outside of our
atmosphere, called the Van Allenbelts.
According to NASA andscientists, we can't get through
there because there's too muchradiation.
Yep.
So how did we in the sixties?

(33:19):
Cause you have to get throughthem to get to?

Speaker 2 (33:22):
I actually saw a video the other day and it was
showing footage of like therover on the moon, like in the
2020s or whatever.
And then the footage from the60s of like a car driving on the
moon, like come on now, yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
This is a bit far-fetched Then me and Brad
talked about it before and he'slike you can't tell me that they
we have terrible cell phonereception.
I mean, you talk about this allthe time 2024 phone calls drop
all the time, every time youdrive through the area.
And yet they live streamed themoon landing, both video and
audio.
And you're going to say thatlike come on Listen.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
The wind blows the wrong way.
My YouTube TV cuts out Correct.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah, and yet we streamed from the moon Like
that's.
That's one of those two.
It's like explain it to me If,if it legitimately happened and
we have all these things, cool,but you got to do a better
explanation.
Yeah, so in school, they teachit to you and you're just like
yep, we landed on the moon.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Oh, oh yeah, and you get older and you're like
childhood life.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Well, that's dumb Like how.
How could we have done that?

Speaker 2 (34:26):
That's just not possible.
That, honestly, some of thatcomes from technology Cause used
to there wasn't a way to kindof second guess what you learned
in school.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
No, of course not.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
And now there's so much other information out there
which, uh, good or bad, there'sa lot of information out there.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
There's too much information out there.
There's too much informationout there like there's just for
everything there's.
You get information overload.
I mean, we see it all the timeout here at the, at the driving
range, these guys are like yep,watch the youtube video, I'm
gonna be good.
Oh yeah, it didn't help you,dude.
No, like it.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Just that's not how that works I remember when we
put in top tracer out here andthe guys would be like, hey,
something, something's wrongwith this.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Like I know I hit this club this far and just tell
me I know there's one guy inparticular that I'm thinking and
he's like, I know I drive theball at least 280, 290.
Yeah, and this is telling me Ihit it 250, 260.
And I'm like, sorry, can't beright.
Like what's the the backgroundof this?
This technology?
They use it on the pga tour.

(35:26):
Yeah, like they set it up atevery place.
Pretty good, and top tracer,top technology, is used that
alongside with trackman, atevery one of the pga tour events
.
If it's good enough for them,it's probably good enough for a
guy that can't shoot under 120.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
It's funny, because let's just be honest and a lot
of the ranges still have, like,just the yardage markers out
there, correct?
You don't know if those areaccurate or not, no, so they're
just hitting into a field and Itell you that would be funny.
I wish you know, if we had theold yardage markers still, I'd
bring them up like really closeand make people think they're
just like bombing it out therebut they'd be really easy, like
put them off by like 15 yardsexactly, yes, now.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
So it's a little different.
In an area like this, an arealike this, where you have so
many hunters, you have so manyguys that are used to shooting
certain distances.
In their mind they know 100,they know, they know some of
those.
So some of those guys woulddefinitely notice, but your
average consumer, if you movethat 100 yard marker to 85 and
that 250 to 220, I wouldn't know.
They're gonna have no clue.
Myself, I have no clue, unlessyou've been here a ton.

(36:27):
And then you're just like, hey,that feels like they look
different.
That'd be the only way.
Yeah, is it just feels thatsomething's out of place, not
that something's actually wrong.
Yeah, now, it does still crackme up, top tracer.
I mean, they spend millions ofdollars to get this technology
right and we have some of theseolder guys that come out here
with a range finder stillshooting the poles to make sure
that the distance is exact.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Some of them won't use it either, Cause they're
just like.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Oh, I don't need that .
They're a little scared of itthough.
But again, these, these 80 yearolds, I can't imagine the stuff
that they've lived through,like the technology boom they've
lived through, cause like Imean, I remember growing up in
school.
I can remember when computersstarted to get put in classroom
and internet became a big thing.
You know because in likekindergarten.

(37:11):
I can remember typing on atypewriter.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Six sixth grade, I took a typing class with a
typewriter.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
See like when I was in middle school, we were on
computers already.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
And again, I don't feel, I'm not even 40 yet From
the time you were, what's that?

Speaker 1 (37:24):
12?
Something like yeah, so we'llsay the last 30 years basically.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
The amount that technology has boomed Like from
when we were five to where I'm,you know, just turned 35 in
January.
Those 30 years, I mean cellphones were in a bag when I was
a kid.
Like you had the old bag phonesand like the cars that had
phones in them.
That was super over the top.
Yeah, that was like wow, you'refancy, now who you're gonna

(37:51):
call because only like 10 peoplehad those.
So, ghostbusters, I set myselfup for that one.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah, you're right that's the first thing.
Come on, who am I gonna?

Speaker 1 (37:59):
good movies, man.
I need to go back and watchthose.
Have you watched any of theghostbusters movies?
Not in a long time it's beenway, cause they've got some
modern ones, and they're.
They're awful, are they?
Yeah, it's just that that to me, is a hard, a hard series to
build off of, like it's just,you, kind of, should just left
it there.
Left it.

(38:20):
Yeah, they're remakes more thanthey are.
They are, you know, actual,genuine original content.
I mean netflix and everybody.
It's just they're playing offof something else yeah, not, but
at some point.
I mean, you're never going tofully run out of ideas, but
you're going to run out of somelike there's.
There's been plenty of movies,especially my teenage years.

(38:40):
I can remember they were thesame movie, just different
actors, and they came out likethe exact same time Music.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
it all kind of comes back around at some point or
whatever but?

Speaker 1 (38:51):
but you build off of what's good.
If something was good, you'relike all right, let's try to
take that idea slightly, shiftit and do it again.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
I mean Tim Allen is a perfect example of that for me.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Every show he does is the exact same.
It's the same, they're theexact same.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Kind of modernize a little bit, but he made a good
career out of it.
So it worked.
But before we get too far offof golf technology yeah.
Let's talk about TGL Cause.
Tgl last night was their lastregular season match.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
For those of you that have not listened, or have
lived under a rock and havelistened, tgl is tomorrow's golf
league the tiger and Rorystartup partnered with the PGA.
You know.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
And Indoor Golf.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
It's a simulator golf but it is the pros playing
simulator golf.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
To an extent it's a very different Simulator, but
also the Indoor putting greenand stuff.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
I mean imagine like a summer league on that, like a
bunch of bums out there, that'dbe so fun.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
That'd be so fun, we've all be awful I've not
caught every one of them, butI've watched several and I did
watch the one last night.
Um, I'm really starting toenjoy it and I thought last
night was good.
So tiger's team got destroyed.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
They're so bad but I've got, I've got the standings
pulled up.
Tiger's team, which is thejupiter lynx, they have one win
on the season.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah, they were already out when they started
last night.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Oh yeah, the playoffs were already set before last
night.
Actually, I think the playoffswere already set at the
beginning of the week.
It was just there was a coupleof seeding spots that could have
changed.
For two and three.
It was about the only ones.
Yeah, but yeah to me.
If you're Tiger startup of theleague, do you not stack your
team to make sure you're atleast in the playoffs?

Speaker 2 (40:28):
I would have.
But what I would say?
I really enjoyed watchingTiger's team last night, even in
the showing.
Who played for them last night?

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Because, kisner, we didn't play last night.
So, the only reason I know.
Kisner didn't play is becausewe didn't get a video this
morning of the next Kisner shank.
Because, every week he has atleast one.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
So no, Tom Kim, Max, Homa and Tiger played, which is
a good team, I said.
I'm an Atlanta fan and theybrought in the amateur guy that
just won Glover Isn't he Gloverthey brought him in oh Lucas
Glover glory.
Yeah, he's not no not notglover, sorry, um, oh gosh, I
don't know.
I'll think of it a minute.
It's a young kid just went ontour as an amateur oh uh,

(41:12):
recently taylor.
I don't know, I'll figure it outanyways.
Uh, but so they didn't havejustin thomas and and patrick
cantlay okay, but tiger's teamjust the whole night were just,
and maybe it's something to dowith them.
They knew they didn't have ashot to get in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
That's a hard match, when you just don't care Cause
you're, like it's, already over.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
They were just laughing and having fun.
Um Tom Kim, he hits a chip andit's like I think it's going in.
Everybody thinks it's going in.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
he throws his club in there, twirls around and misses
the hole so you know they tigerand max homer are crying,
laughing so hard so tom kim hada tiger moment where tiger hits
99 instead of 199.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Now tom kim's celebrating early it was so fun
at, at the end of the uh, thebroadcast they actually pulled
up and you could go on tglcomand vote for moments of, okay,
the jupiter team.
That'd be fun.
It was um, that of tom kim, itwas tigers thinking it was 99
yards it was the one off the pinthat he hit earlier.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Just I mean that he hammered and it just got lucky
it would have killed somebody inthe audience it would have.
But so that'd be like if, ifyou took guys like us, we can't
have an audience.
No, because we're putting holesin the audience.
It would have.
But so that'd be like if, ifyou took guys like us, we can't
have an audience.
No, because we're putting holesin the seats, like you're
talking about bladed chips andwe're like we are absolutely
like.
So some of these guys.
They've been able to hit thecameras way up at the top of the

(42:37):
screen.
If we go there with some of theguys that I know that we would
take to play with, they wouldhave holes on the right and the
like some of the shanks that youwould see would be.
It would be hilarious um thecontent would be so much fun.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Josh allen quarterback and some of his
buddies and stuff were there.
They were in town on a golftrip and they asked them
supposedly they were going toget to play around on it after
the match yeah and somebody madea comment, he goes oh, we're
covering the left and rightscreens.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
We already told him like you gotta cover those.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Okay, so as long as that's an option, because, yeah,
we would need it.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Take those out.
I would almost be like, okay,we're always gonna tee up from
the front one yes, the backone's a little too much for our
guys.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah let us do the front one but I thought the
match was um really fun, likethe crowd was really into it and
they were booing atlantacheering for tiger.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
You know Tiger could be his last match out there,
like you're always going tocheer for Tiger, yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
So I mean it was really loud, really fun.
Celine Dion was in the audience, sung a little bit with Marty
Smith and some of them A littlerandom cool.
Yeah, I mean it was really fun.
So I'm excited to see what theydo in the playoffs and how they
build on it.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
So playoffs are two weeks, like they.
They're skipping next week,kind of like a week off.
Then they go to the week after.
So you've got Los Angeles, theone seed the Bay at two, atlanta
three, new York four Okay.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
So New York and LA will play each other.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yes, okay, la versus New York, the Bay versus Atlanta
, the Bay and Atlanta tied witheverything, like I wonder how
that everything like theirpoints are the exact.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Did the bay beat them or something?
Is that how they got the seed,or um, I think they.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
So they've got the statistics here.
The bay won more hammer throwsduring the year than atlanta.
That's the only stat different,okay, they both have the same
amount of wins, same amount oflosses, same amount of points.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Everything the only difference is that hammer and
they've got the wins in overtime, which I don't know why they do
it that way.
It's a partial tiebreaker.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Is that what it is?
They're using it becausethey're trying to have as many
things, because I was trying tofigure out.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
One day I was like they don't have ties, like what
is this in their record?
You know, yes, and it was sowins or something.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Well, so no, actually they don't even count overtime
wins, those are just wins.
They count overtime losses.
Okay, because they're basicallysaying an overtime loss is
better than a regular loss,gotcha by by points, because
it's you at least were there,you were there yeah, you at
least made it so that's kind ofhow they looked at it.
Um, los angeles has one loss.
It was in the overtime.
Um, new york has three lossesagain.

(44:55):
Tiger, his team is jupiter.
Rory, his team is boston.
Rory's team did not win allyear.
They are over.
That's crazy.
And who was on his team?
Keegan, bradley, rory, let'ssee who else they had.
They're kind of forgettablebecause they were just such a
bad team.
They didn't do anything.
Yeah, such a bad team.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Yeah, I can't remember who it was Hideki
Matsuyama.
I don't think I ever watchedhim on there.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
R rory, adam scott and keegan bradley.
Adam scott okay, yep, um again.
The only thing that reallymakes him relevant right now is
keegan bradley, because that'scaptain america, he's rider cup
captain, so you know, we want tosee that.
And then, obviously, rory isrory.
For most people.
They're going to say that's thethe the greatest of our
lifetime.
Yeah, because we got to see thestart of his career all the way

(45:42):
through, like tiger was alreadydoing stuff before.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Oh, I was really paying attention.
So tiger made a comment to tomkim, asked him what year he's
born yeah, I don't know if yousaw a clip and he said I want
three masters before he's like Idon't I don't already won?

Speaker 1 (45:59):
x amount of majors before you were alive.
And it's like you know peopleare saying well, you know,
that's him knocking on Tom Kim,but at the same time I'm like
Tiger.
That just proves how old youare Well, like you've been
around.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
I know, but you know, Tiger is one of the greatest
and he's in the bunker talkingwith Tom Kim and and and TK's
asking.
He's like oh, so that you'retalking to Tiger, right You're?

Speaker 1 (46:25):
telling me he's weird .
So Tom Kim is such aninteresting character because
he's still a very young Koreankid, yeah, and they're kind of
already claiming he's going tobe one of the next big guys.
Oh, and he's out there havingfun on those events.
But even on the course, likeregular tournaments, he is just
different to watch because he'she's more animated, he's just he
has fun.

(46:45):
He's not as he's not quite solocked in that he just kind of
forgets that it's also, you know, sports are also entertainment.
Yeah, he kind of plays bothsides of it, which I think what
makes him so likable where someof these guys, they're so locked
in and just almost dead to theworld that it's like I can only
focus on golf.
They don't care about the fansuntil after.
You know, yeah, and it's kindof a fine line, like I get it,

(47:07):
because golf is very that way.
In any sport too, though you gotto be locked in during the game
to an extent, but like I don'tfeel like you see it quite as
much with basketball and andfootball because there's so much
time in between, like whetheryou're going to the bench.
You know they kind of do stuffyeah, I get so it's just a
little bit different, where golfis like you're by yourself, you
and a caddy.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Four days, like it's just such a long, arduous thing
well, I you know I've saidbefore it's hard for me to sit
and watch all of it, of course,but I will make a point to start
watching some of these guysthat I like from tgo.
That their personality came outbecause you started actually get
to get to know him even guyslike like patrick cantley, who
doesn't have a ton ofpersonality, doesn't know, but
he's still been fun on these andreally I think they need to do

(47:50):
a good job of that.
More than building teams for,uh, playing, they need to put
the right personalities together, because they put cantley with
billy horschel and justin thomasreally brings it out it because
horschel is like the opposite.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Ofel is a guy that is just out there living his best
life.
He's having a great time.
Jt Justin Thomas is justhilarious.
He is part of that crew ofSpieth and Fowler and those guys
that are always taking eachother's money because they're
always betting on the golfcourse.
They're always goofing off.
They're legit players.

(48:23):
They are top because they'realways betting on the golf
course.
They're always goofing off, butthey're legit players.
I mean, they are top tier guys.
So it's fun to watch them whenyou actually get to see their
personality and not just, hey,you know, they're dead to the
world.
Like I said before, you know,just playing golf.
Well, that's him being therelast night.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Billy Horschel there last night.
He even made a do with thehammer.
He's like they always did it.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah, he was like I'm not in charge, so he actually.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
FaceTimed Justin Thomas on the thing one time and
then the announcer was like Iguarantee Patrick Cantlie ain't
answering your FaceTime rightnow.
He's not.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
No, he's definitely not.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
But of the ones I've seen and I've seen several of
them, not all of them.
I've seen several of, and themost fun, even though it was a
blowout.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
I think we'll see a lot of fun in the playoffs
because of the teams that arethere.
I hope so.
Because Los Angeles has been alot of fun to watch lately, and
so has Atlanta.
So I think when you actuallyget those guys to me, that's who
I want to see in the finals.
I want to see LA and Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Oh, I do too, Because I feel like that would just be
a for Atlanta.
I guess I'm just concernedbecause it's the first year that
they might change some stuff up, and I don't want to go buy
something yet.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
So I can't imagine the guys on Atlanta will leave,
like those guys all seem likethey're just enjoying it too
much.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
They do, but I don't know, maybe they add more teams.
I think there's some otherteams that we see, some
switching.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
I think we see live guys in it next year because,
like Bryson's already been or,excuse me, brooks has already
been over hanging out with theguys.
Um, bryson is possibly thebiggest name in all of golf
right now because of what he'sdoing on YouTube.
He's the only person that hasleft for live that we're all
like, man, I wish he was here.
I wish he was back, like that'sthe one guy everybody's like.
We want him back.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
See, I always liked watching him and John Rahm.
John Rahm has kind of justdisappeared at this point.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
He has he's just almost non-existent.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Do you think that was part of his decision, Like he
kind of wanted that Because hewas really in the limelight?
I think when you get enoughzeros on the back of the check
you kind of.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
And again, Brooks made a comment just the other
day.
Brooks Koepka said my careercould end at any time.
I can get in a car wreck.
Today I can do this.
I can never play golf again.
So when they gave me that much,money.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
I don't have to worry about it.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yeah, you have to take it I don't have to try
anymore.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
And not that he doesn't care, because I mean
he's still trying to go winmajors, he things, but but it
does take some pressure away ittakes a lot of it away you can
have fun with it instead offeeling like I have to go earn
money which, again, it's reallyhard talking about money when it
comes to golf, because allthose guys they make so much.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
I mean sponsorships alone.
Some of the smallest patches ontheir shirt or hat is, you know
, fifty to a hundred thousanddollars for the year, like one
of those is covering theirtravel budget for the year.
So it's really really hard tobe like, well, they're not
making it.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
That's what I never can tell, cause they make a lot
of money but they do travel alot.
They do pay a lot of expensive,they practice a lot.
They have several coaches, youknow.
They're there a lot of times,you know your your big days
before the tournament.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Lower end guys, especially like your Corn Fairy
Tour, which is basically theminors for PGA Tour golf For
those of you that don't knoweven the winners of those
tournaments, they're not makingthat much money, so you really
have to have some peopleinvesting in your life to get
you to some of those points.
So for the guys that havereally made it, very few are

(51:40):
coming directly out of collegestraight to PGA Tour and just
running great careers.
Yeah, you see a few of them,but most of these guys now
because golf has gotten so goodacross the board where we talk
about it.
Tiger would still be fairlydominant at this day and age,
but I don't think Tiger wouldhave been what he was in the 90s
, early 2000s if his careerstarted now.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Just because these guys are so much better, the
talent pool is so deep.
So the guy I was talking about,nick dunlap dunlap, that's
right.
Yep, yeah, he's the one yeah,he won last year.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
As an amateur couldn't accept the money,
turned pro like the day after hewon.
Yep, um, we did just see.
For the second time ever,though.
Uh, luke clinton I don't knowif you've seen anything about
him, luke clanton he's a juniorat Florida State has earned his
PGA Tour card.
He was refusing to turn prountil he earned his card, and he

(52:33):
just earned it the other day atthis last tournament.
So it was one of those programsthat, after live the PGA Tour,
it was like all right, what elsecan we do to help push some of
these young guys?
Because some of the young guysactually left.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
But he could have turned pro before that.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Yeah, I mean he had like four straight top 10
finishes.
Oh okay, he was like I meanhe's top 50 in the world and he
was an amateur.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Like he was ahead of so many guys.
I think I would have just tookit and went on.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
But for him he was like I want to guarantee that
I've got status, because if I goand just go off of sponsor
exemptions and then startplaying bad.
I'm kind of out, so this is amore secure option Because if he
was going to go pro, then hehad to leave college.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
See, I can never follow college, or not just
college, but golf in generalfrom college to the pro, to how
you become on tour.
There's so much going on there.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
But it's one of the sports that is the hardest to
follow, whether it's rankings,points, standings, whatever and
they've got to figure out how tosimplify it.
Like we've said for theplayoffs, playoffs make no sense
the way they lead to it and theway they do.
Everything they need tosimplify it and just make it
easier to follow, make the fanshappy.

(53:43):
March Madness style Top 32golfers Down to one Match play.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Match play Finish it.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
They definitely need some other events of teams and
match play and stuff like that,yes, I think that kind of stuff
you know play off of this TGLstuff, do what Liv's doing To an
extent, the team stuff that Livis doing is fantastic, mm-hmm,
like they're making some guysget a name for themselves, not
as an individual but as a team,so they're I mean they're doing

(54:13):
trades.
I mean they're literally liketreating it like a big-time
sports league.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Every sport has like a um all-star game.
Yeah Well, let's throw right inthe middle of season, do an
all-star or something and teamthem up and just go out for fun,
for charity, for whatever Right.
Let's have fun with it, havethe fans come, you can do some
cool stuff.
A big fan of it.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
I would almost like take some of the stuff that the
pro bowl is now, where they dosome skills competitions, have
some teams, like whatever youwant to do, I wouldn't want to
do it more like Ryder Cup waslike America versus the world.
I think you kind of intertwineit and you maybe even like have
team captains and pick, kind oflike the NBA All-Stars doing now
.
I think that'd be good.
Then do some long drive, doclose to the pin, just do some

(54:52):
fun stuff that they would have alot of fun with, but then at
the end let's do a bunch of 2v2matches and, like this team won,
they're gonna win x amount ofmillions of dollars for the
charities that they choose let's.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
I know that'd be so much fun.
I know you're not a nascar fan,but nascar has an all-star race
in the middle season, right,and to get in, there's certain
you know if you've won races.
But then they have like a raceso you can race your way into it
, okay, and they have a fan votethat can vote in one driver who
didn't make it.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
How many get into into it, do you know?
Or a roundabout even.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Well, it depends on who's been winning, but I think
it's roughly that 20, a littleover 20.
It's about half the field, sothey don't flood the field with
people.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
No, it's still pretty prestigious to get in.
It is Gotcha.
Okay, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Yeah, and then if you didn ways, and I think it would
get fans involved, it would,you know, do a lot of stuff well
.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
I mean, you could very well do it kind of like the
rider cup does, and the fact ofyou can play your way onto the
team if you play well enough forthe season.
Just like you're saying, nascar, if you're winning you're
already eligible for it, ifyou're this, you're already
eligible.
But then those bottom so manyyou know have the fans say we
want this person.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
we want this.
You can even even have oneevent right before it or
something that, if you place, itcould be a one day.
Yeah, if you place in the topwhatever you're in Basically
like a qualifier.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
And make it a big spectacle, like a Sunday
afternoon.
You know, 18 hole stroke play.
Yeah, if you shoot this score,you're eligible to be picked,
you're in.
But I would also like to seethat they have guys that don't
get selected.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Oh, it happens I would?

Speaker 1 (56:27):
I would love to see schoolyard style, like you got
next because you didn't getpicked and like I think you
could do some fun stuff with it.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Well, that's where the fans could come in.
Exactly so, even though I thinkthey could make it a lot of fun
.
Golf as a whole does not listento the fans but I would turn on
, you know, leading up to thatbig all-star event, I would turn
on and watch the Closer to thePin contest, of course, and the
Long Drive contest and thewhatever you want, I mean trick
shot or whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Let's say this for ESPN, betting rules everything
anymore.
You could live bet everythingon that.
Yeah, who's going to win theLong Drive contest?

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Who's going to win the long drive?

Speaker 1 (57:01):
contest.
Who's going to win close to thepin, whether it's the team or a
person, you could do so muchstuff with that.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
I think PGA just needs to give us a call.
We'll head up this All-Starevent for them.
I'm telling you, I would havethe fans out there doing close
to the pin contest.
I'd have their own little fanzone where they can interact.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Yeah, I think there's just so many things you could
do and the NBA all-star does.
It's a different city everyyear.
Yes, Like travel around, Don'tdon't make it always like we
always go here, one year have itin Orlando, the next year you
have it in Seattle, the nextyear you have it in you know,
cause especially if you do itmid season, it's going to be
fairly good weather abouteverywhere.

(57:35):
So you kind of have your yourchoice.
But even then you couldshowcase some really nice
courses in areas that may notquite be PGA tour level, Like
they can't quite host these bigevents, but they could host some
stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
And make the ticket price decent, where your average
fan can get in.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
That's where they wouldn't do that.
I can already tell you theywould fail at that.
It would be expensive.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
But the idea would be to bring in new fans and get
people excited, so you can'toverprice it.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Um, a PGA tour as a whole, though, is just not.
That's not about knocking cluboff.
You about knocked the wholerack off.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
That was the whole different ball game.
I got a whole rack of clubsbehind me and I thought they
were going to tumble down.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
But the PGA tour they they're not great at listening
to fans.
They're kind of like we dothings this way.
You know things of that nature.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Well, for those that don't know, we're opposite.
So if anybody's got any ideas,please let us know.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Like we said, whether it's with the podcast, whether
it's with the range or whatever,like, if you've got a cool idea
, we like it, we will roll withit, I promise.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
In today's society, like we talked, in tune with
your fans and your audience, oryou'll lose them and the NBA is
such a bad product right now.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
We talked about it, so there, there's some good
things happening in the NBA.
I do think that there's somerelevance happening to it.
That's that's good.
Again, I'll I'll go back towhat I said a few weeks ago Luca
being traded to the Lakers isgood for the NBA.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
I haven't watched it.
How's LeBron been with that?

Speaker 1 (59:05):
LeBron's LeBron.
Okay, he takes the ball out ofthe best player's hand because
he's not the best player on thatteam.
Yeah, like I don't care whatyou say, a 40-year-old LeBron is
not better than a Luka in hisprime, it's just reality, that's
with most players.
I don't think LeBron, in mycurrent state I am better than
him.
He's going to say that he is,but in reality I'm like in your
head, you know better.
Let's not be delusional.

(59:26):
So, yes, I do think that bytaking the ball out of Luka's
hands as much as he is currently, they've got to fix some things
.
But since the Luka trade,they're now second in the West.
I mean, they're winning theirrecord.
Since he got there, I thinkthey've lost maybe one or two
games Two, I know of two.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
You know, sometimes that re-energizes that player
too.
It does.
He's going somewhere new.
Absolutely, didn't even realizehe was being traded and now
he's like okay, there we go, buthe's in a bigger market.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
He's probably having the time of his life.
Now, what's interesting, theLakers have played really,
really well lately.
They've won seven straighteight and two in their last 10.
They're still 10 and a halfgames behind the Thunder in
first place, so they were doinghorrible before Luka got there.
No, the Thunder is that goodthis year.
Oh, okay, as far as like theThunder are 50 and 11 right now,

(01:00:19):
Like that's just crazy, that'sjust crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Who's their star?

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Shea Gilders, I was going to say SGA there.
That's right.
Yeah, SGA is a stud too, man.
He's fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
I mean, he did come from Kentucky.
What do you?

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
expect.
Most of their guys have notdone that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
They've got a lot of good NBA players.
They do.
I'm not saying they don't.
They didn't go to college asmuch, no, I would say that's the
thing, is what?

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
they are now but even SJ was not what he is now in
college.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
No no.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Same way with Devin Booker.
Devin Booker was not this incollege.
Like these guys are superstarstatus.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
I'm going to say Kentucky got them on the right
path and then they, you know,finished it off in the NBA.
I can't really I, I'm curious,though you know we've said this
when you go to the NBA now it'syour job and you don't have to
worry about class and all theother things going on.
And you're getting older,you're maturing, working harder,
presumably, and all kinds ofstuff If somebody like SGA you
know he was only there one year,correct.

(01:01:13):
He was only a starter half ofthe season, correct If somebody
like him stays four years out ofcollege, he as good as if he
just went on the nba and justgot good there.
Or does college hold these guysback a little bit because of
class and all the other thingsthey have to deal with all?

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
right, let's just really say what we're all
thinking.
Class don't mean nothing tothose guys.
Well, like you're right like Imean look how many schools have
been have gotten in trouble forfake majors, and I mean car,
mean Carolina.
Yeah, hand up, we did it.
Yeah, like there's stuff that,and you'll have a lot of these

(01:01:50):
guys like look, we're not hereto go to school, we're here to
play ball.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Like that's what they're there for With the NIL
stuff, would you be okay, justsaying I don't care if you go to
class or not.
You're coming here to play orfootball or whatever the sport
is, Because I would, I would beokay with it If you want to go
major in basketball, I've had it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
I just think that's such a different thing At that
point it needs to be its ownseparate thing, because if
you're going to school likeyou're going to this school, you
should at least go to school,right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
What's the point?
Who's to say you're not goingto the basketball school?

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
You're going to learn basketball well, but that's its
own separate thing, though, toolike if you're like I'm going
to basically.
My major is basketball yeah,I'm okay with that's its own
separate thing though that wouldbe something that doesn't exist
.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
So what do you do?
You, uh, major in basketballand minor in what?
Sports management, or something, something else in sports.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
I don't know, maybe you should minor in sports
medicine.
Keep yourself healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
I don't know nutrition or something I don't
know.
Maybe you should minor insports medicine and keep
yourself healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
I don't know, nutrition or something I don't
know, I'm not sure what you'dmajor in.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
But I'm okay with that because I feel like any
other career, you can just say Iwant to go major in this.
I'm going to learn how to dothat.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
That would be creating another thing, though.
Like, like I was saying, likenot even not a reality, like,
yeah, you should have to becausebecause even then in the NBA,
yes, your sole job is that, withthe exception, there are
certain things you have to do.
There's going to be showingsthat you have to go do signings,
you have to go do photographs.

(01:03:26):
In reality, the class isn'tmuch different.
Like, you got to show up to theclass, you got to do certain
parts of it, you got to do nowagain but teach them that,
instead of sending them toscience, let's do media training
, but that's that's making itsown separate thing.
If we do that, sure it makessense.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Do that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Sure, it makes sense.
The problem is, I think youwould have a lot of people try
to do that and never have a shot.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
But couldn't you?
Oh no, I agree, that would bethe issue.
But I could go try to be adoctor if I want, even though I
probably don't have a shot at it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Freedom of America.
That's what I'm saying.
Go try what you want.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
So I kind of feel that way.
You'd be like oh no, you need abackup plan, just in case it
don't work.
Well, we don't do that withanything else.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
If you go do it and it don't work, you figure it out
.
But it's the same way like foreveryday people.
In school you should learn howto balance a checkbook.
You should learn how to dotaxes Like that should be part
of it.
You don't learn that until yougo figure it out after, like you

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don't learn that in high schoolor college.
It makes no sense.
I agree with that.
So, yes, I mean I think weshould do some more common sense
things like a guy like um.
We'll take, say, sga, even ifall he does is stay as a
Kentucky for one year.
But he went to media trainingand he went to.
You know how to manage an agentand how to finances which man
fired his agent.
It's manage an agent and how tofinances which you know man

(01:04:46):
fired his agent.
It's he's genius.
He fired his agent completely.
He's getting ready to go into acontract negotiation.
Just by not having an agent,he's going to save 12 million
dollars.
Oh my gosh, if he gets a maxcontract, which everybody
expects he will, he's going tosave 12 million but that's
obviously him or somebody elsein his circle is smart enough,
they don't need the agent uh,from the sound of it was him
like from all the stuff thatI've read, it's like he's.

(01:05:07):
He's just he knows the stufflike he, he can handle himself
like it's and that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Good for him, because a lot of a lot of these players
get taken advantage of by verymuch so, because they don't
understand or don't know yes, Iagree with that.
So no, I'm 100 with that.
I just think they should havethe option just like every other
student, because they talkabout how athletes have better
options than other students,whether it's you know, they're
getting money.
That was a big thing for awhile.
Well, they can't get money whenthe science students ain't

(01:05:31):
getting money, and but very,very different things.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
No, no, I agree it is .
It's such a hard thing to arguethat.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
If that, and you think you got what it takes, go
ahead.
If you fail, then you got tofigure it out after that.
But I'm all for that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
No, but if they made it to that point and there was
actually like, unfortunately youstill kind of have to have a
curriculum just to make it makesense.
But again you're talking about,like I said, media training and
managing your circle and justthe stuff that when they send
them to these rookie camps theyhave these old guys come in and
say, hey, here's how I messed up, trying to make my same
mistakes, like, and you're justlearning all that stuff but

(01:06:07):
actually really putting it touse there.
And then, not only that, theconnections that some of these
places could make, because youknow, if Kentucky brings back,
we'll say like a guy like JohnWall who's not doing anything
anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
That's coming to my mind too.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
I don't know, but you bring him back and he's like
yeah, like you're majoring inthis, but just know that you may
need something else.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Like yes, for sure, like that's just still talking
about it because he's he's.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
He made a ton of money like he's good, he's fine,
but there's a lot of guys thatgo blow it that aren't going to
be good because of that these,these kids are going to college.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
And I say kids, they're adults when they go to
college, I mean we, we send themto military and everything else
at that age, so they're adultsin my mind.
Um, they're, they're goingthere and they're staying like
one year.
Yeah, the really good ones.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Yeah, the top tier guys.
They're staying less in thattraining than if I go to like a
trade school for two years orsomething like that, which is
just crazy to me that you knowif you're going to do that,
you're going to throw hundredsof millions of dollars at some
of these kids that come fromliterally nothing.
So those, some of those kidsand all a lot of these kids have

(01:07:12):
done fantastic and again we'resaying kids but a lot of these
guys have done really wellmanaging their money, but
they're like I would never needanything, ever again.
Um, you know, on one of thesepodcasts recently I'm on
Shumpert was on there.
He's like and I didn't make themost out of most of these guys.
He said but I didn't spend asingle penny of my checks.
He said I was doing everythingoff of the other stuff I was
getting living off of and he'slike now.

(01:07:34):
He's like I'm doing real estate,I'm doing like he's doing now.
So, but why not bring a guylike that in to explain to these
guys, like here's how you cando it?

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Yeah, like those guys would be great professors, if
you want to call them for forathletes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
I mean bringing, bringing a guy like Kevin
Garnett, who is not necessarilythe guy that you'd be like oh,
let's have him talk to a bunchof, you know, teenager, but he's
got the experience he literallywent from high school to the
nba and was super successful,yeah, so yeah, like a guy like
that would help a ton.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
There's limits on your eligibility in college
sports, correct?
I don't know if I even lovethat fact, but regardless,
there's not limits on theeducation side, the academic
side.
So if you go and you're there ayear and it ain't working out,
you're there two years, three,and you, just you, just, okay,
I'm going to make it.
Well, you can always just gojump in school.
Correct, like it's not, likeit's taken from you.
You just took you a littlelonger because you tried

(01:08:30):
something else first.
Just like if I went to be adoctor and I went two or three
years and it didn't work and Ijumped out and did something
else.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
I mean we years.
So was it something big or justa little at a time?
No, like they, they went andcouldn't figure out what they
want to do and switch majors afew times and then finally
figure out what they want to doand basically it was.
It was not really the majorthey wanted, but it was like I
just got to graduate.
I got a guy, so it took himeight years, yeah, but, like you
said, there's no limit on thecollege side of it.
So you went for three years toplay basketball and realized

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either I had some injuries orI'm just not developing the way
I thought I can't go to the maeither figure out I'm gonna be
done and go play overseas, ornow I'm gonna transition and do
life, do some regular thing.
Cool good for you.
You still have the optioncorrect and yeah, so I'm not
against it.
It's just there'd be some hoopsto jump through with it, I'm

(01:09:27):
sure.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Oh there is Trying to figure it all out.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
But no, I don't think it's a bad idea, I really don't
.
But again, talking about theNBA yeah, 82 games.
It'll get really exciting heresoon, like as we get to the
playoffs.
It gets way, way better.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
How far are we in now ?
I don't even know.
I can tell you, last time Iwatched an NBA game.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
They're above 60.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
So we got 20 games left.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
We're getting there, yeah, because I know they're
always over the summer.
Like you see the playoffs overthe summer.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
I probably won't even watch any of the first little
bit of the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
I like watching the playoffs.
I'll definitely watch theplayoffs.
I've got to get further into it.
I've watched a little more,like I said, nba this year than
I have in past.
I've just kind of gottenanother hit of wanting to really
watch basketball, so that'skind of what's happened.
So I'm watching a ton morecollege basketball because I'm
always watching collegebasketball but then watching
some NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
All right, I've like almost zero NBA this year, right
?
So I know you haven't watched aton.
From what I understand, mm-hmmwho's in the finals Oof?
I mean, it sounds like Thunderhas got a really good shot on
what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Potentially so.
The Thunder play really goodteam basketball.
They move the ball well.
They they move the ball well.
They can do a little bit ofeverything.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
The problem is the NBA wants the Lakers there,
especially with the straightbrother.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
I have a feeling they want them there, so I'm not
saying that they're going toforce it or they're going to do
anything.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
I think you just said that.
I think you did.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
But I do think, though, they're a tough team.
They're very deep now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Have they played each other yet since lucas was over?
Um, I do not know, actuallyjust curious how that went.
You know if they did.
But well.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
So if they did, they have.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
I do think the nba doesn't yet okay, I do think the
nba does a better job withtheir um, you know, playoffs and
what being series.
That's the one knock.
I have on college basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
They'll start with a five-game series and then you
know they go in and then youfinally get to sevens.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Yeah, I do like that format better.
Now, I just don't see a way youcould do that in college, but I
do like that format better toget the best team.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Yeah, but they still argue.
A lot of people still argue thebest team doesn't win.
Possibly, yeah, but they stillargue.
A lot of people still argue thebest team doesn't win possibly.
I mean, I'm again, I'm not abig nba guy, but no, I think I
have a better shot.
I can look like.
I don't think anybody wouldlegitimately say dirt.
Novitsky's dallas team wasbetter than lebron wade and bosh
of the heat and they shouldn'thave been whipped them like it

(01:11:59):
was like 4-1 but you know again,like you just mentioned, if
team basketball is better thanyour stars sometimes, so um it
just depends.
I mean because because, again,if you looked at the playoffs
that year for the Mavericks,nobody had them going because of
the teams they had to beat.
They had to beat the Thunderwho had Westbrook, katie and

(01:12:20):
Harden at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
That's good, they had to beat Kobe.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
They had to beat the Thunder who had Westbrook, katie
and Harden at the time.
They had to beat Kobe and PaulI actually watched it some back
then.
They had to beat a Kobe-Lakerteam.
They had to beat a Duncan Spursteam.
They went through it.
That was probably the bestplayoff run I've possibly ever
seen.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
For them to beat all those teams.
You don't think that saysthey're this they just got hot
at the right moment.
Is that what?

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
it is A big part of it.
They just got hot at the rightmoment Because they other than
Dirk, like they didn't have atop tier player.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
But the series like you can't just go have one good
game and knock somebody off whohad a bad game.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
No, but I mean momentum.
It does play a big part instuff, though.
Like again, Again, if it was alittle bit later in the season
and we see the Lakers win 15straight, some momentum going in
.
Whether they're number one ornumber five, they're going to
have some momentum going into it.
So I think that does play a bigpart, because you'll see some
teams number one seed going tothe playoffs and then they kind

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of have a lackluster last 10games and then they go and just
kind of lose it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
They lose the magic that was there all season I'm
gonna make you back up who yougot in the, because I don't know
, I don't know anything about it, I'm I'm gonna say, it's
celtics lakers okay, old schoolrivalry.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Yeah, I was gonna say that'd be now that the celtics
is the most boring team in thenba, they, they, they have no
personnel like tatum and brown,like they're just not exciting
players, unfortunately, becausethat's what the NBA is now.
It's just exciting.
Both are unbelievable.
Celtics are a fantastic team,lakers are a little more flashy,

(01:13:52):
but still, but I think thatwould probably make a really
good series.
The two best teams currentlyare Cleveland and OKC.
You're not drawing numbers,let's just be real.
Like TV numbers that's notexciting.
Like Cleveland and OklahomaCity two small markets that
might be fun to watch though.
So true basketball fans.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Like the hardcore NBA guys.
No.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
I can probably get behind that more than just
trying to get the flashy teams.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Yeah, it's just TV-wise, like statistics,
numbers.
The NBA doesn't want that to bethe finals.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Well, that's every sport.
It is a business Small markets.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
If you can tell me, it's going to be Boston, one of
the biggest markets in thecountry, versus LA, the biggest
market in the country.
You're just going to have moreviews, just naturally it's going
to happen.
You have Oklahoma City andCleveland, two basically middle
of nowhere teams, or nowherecities.
The LA.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Boston.
Like I might want to watch itjust for the old school feel,
Just because it brings back somenostalgia from back in the day.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
I mean like thinking about the rivalry that it was
Now.
We talked about this before westarted the podcast today the
rivalries that you used to seein the NBA, which if they could
somehow figure out how to getthat back, would be fantastic.
But we've kind of been sendingeach other some clips back and
forth this week.
Part of the reason the NBA isnot in a good place, and one of

(01:15:19):
those videos said it perfectlyeverybody likes each other.
Everybody's friends they do.
Nobody has any real beef withanybody.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
And that's what made Michael and Kobe so different.
Correct the mentality, but Imean again.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Magic and Larry and Isaiah and all those guys.
They legitimately had hatetowards other people they did.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
You know that's what draws me to college.
Sometimes some of theserivalries in college.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Well, but like Carolina Duke, regardless of the
records, that's going to be arivalry.
There's hate there.
There is true, pure hatred.
Kentucky Duke, same wayKentucky.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Louisville.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Kentucky, Louisville, same way Kentucky, Carolina.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
there's rivalry but there's no true bad blood.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
It's rivalry.
It's a big, big game, butthere's no we truly hate that
other person.
There are some fans that do,because of some recent NCAA Luke
May hitting a shot, but eventhen it's not.
It wasn't big enough that it'slike we just truly hate that
team.
It's a little bit different.
But, yeah, there's some reallyreally good college rivalry
still that the NBA just doesn'thave.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
I want to see that in the NBA.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
I just don't know how we get it back, though.
In your opinion, how do we getthat back?

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
I don't know because I think part of the reason is
all the trades.
You're always moving around andplaying with these different
guys.
It's not like you're staying ona team for 10 years and you can
just legitimately hate theother guy who's been there for
10 years.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
But unfortunately, though, those are the players
that are ruling.
That I know Like that's that'sthe issue.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
I don't know that you're ever going to have that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
They're they are team shopping.
So much.
Instead of having that, I'mproud to be where I am Like.
Larry was never leaving, magicwas never leave.
Exactly, jordan only went towashington because, after he had
retired, been gone for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Really, the bulls didn't need him no, when he was
playing for the bulls, he wasnot going anywhere else, lord,
it didn't matter what happenedkobe was going nowhere.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
No, like those guys were.
This is my team, but now likeluca.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Okay, it doesn't matter how much he hated la or
the lakers, he's now playing forhim.
So you can't have that a hate.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
That was a little bit different, though, because he
didn't choose that one, I know,but that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
It happened so much, though.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
But I mean somebody like LeBron.
I mean, he's been to Clevelandtwice he's been to Miami, now
he's in LA.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Look at all the different guys he's played with.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
He's shopped to get himself honest.
I mean, he went to play withtwo Hall of Famers in Wade and
Bosch to go get thosechampionships.
That's what he did.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Even though the hatred isn't there in the
players.
Do you think the fans stillhave it, or is that what they're
losing also?

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
No, I don't think the fans have it, because they're
just watching the.
They're feeding off what theplayers are doing, so why would
they?
I agree Again with everybodychanging you can't hate players,
yeah, so it's really hard to,because at any given moment,
like you said, they're going tobe on your team.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
How do you hate it?

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Really probably the only hatred you truly see.
Most people don't like DraymondGreen.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
A lot don't like Draymond Green.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
I don't like Draymond Green A lot don't like Draymond
Green.
I don't mind him.
But the older guys will sayDraymond is what the old NBA
used to be.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
He might take it too far.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
He causes heat, he causes beef, he causes all of
these things.
So he's one of those thatpeople are like if you had more
of that, then maybe, maybe youcould get it back.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
It's just gonna be really hard, I think he does
take some stuff too far, but heat least has some passion, some
energy he's has.
Um, I don't want to say hatred,but you know that rivalry
against me.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Yeah, it's that, like that lines.
But yeah, I don't know again, Idon't know what the nba truly
needs to do to get some fireback to it, but they need to do
something.
Like I said, it's not in a goodplace.
You sent me a video the otherday and, like I said, it sent me
down a rabbit hole.
I watched your video that yousent me and it's two teams going

(01:19:14):
back and forth In that video.
They missed what eight, threes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
In like 30 seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
I don't remember that it was just running up and down
the court.
They're running up and down thecourt taking deep shots, and
then I leave that video and goand they're talking you know
some of the old guys, and evenyou know on Paul George's
podcast he talks about the NBAright now was ruined because of

(01:19:39):
analytics, because everything isefficiency, everything is
numbers based.
So they're saying well, athree-point shot is smarter than
the two-point shot and well,they're easy for these guys too,
anymore like well, but eventhen it's like they're saying
it's smarter because it's worthmore and you may shoot a lower
percentage.
But if you have 10 of these,first 20 of these, like look

(01:20:01):
where it equals out.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Yeah, it works out so it's, it's just such a I saw
somebody ask, uh, thecommissioner the other day about
moving the three point lineback and basically getting rid
of the corner.
Let's let it kind of terminateinto the benches, kind of right.
And he was, you know.
His response is something likewell, you know, we don't want to
make a knee-jerk move, we wantto kind of figure out what the
real solution is and not just gomoving stuff.
And I'm glad of that because Idon't want them to just start

(01:20:23):
changing stuff just on a whim tosee what works.
Remove it, just go back to thetwo.
I'm all for that, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
No, I mean so again, can we just start that right now
?
When you look at, when you lookat, like jordan, what jordan
used to say I don't want to be athree-point specialist, because
then you know what to doagainst me.
Like you have to do it all Likethey were.
But he was shooting, but that'swhen they play average but he
averaged one, three, a game andyou're like, oh gosh, that's
awful.
He only shot five, like I don'teven think he averaged.

(01:20:52):
I think his average wasshooting for a game.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Yeah, 25% of all your career threes.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Over all of his career he shot like 30 something
percent.
So again he's not top tierthree point shooter.
But that's not what his gamewas Like, we all know that.
But now these guys like what?
What somebody like Curry isdoing?
I mean, two thirds of his shotsare threes, if not more.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Well, and what he's doing as guys start play out on
him?
He's moving further and furtherback and just taking them from
further away.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
Well, that was going to be my statement when you said
you know, if they move the lineback, most of these guys aren't
shooting at the line, they'reshooting from the logo, like
unless you're going to move itback, like that I mean it's just
, and maybe if you do move itback, the analytics will change
and you'll see that it's not asgood of a shot for some of the

(01:21:41):
threes, fours and fives.
You know your small forwards,power forwards and centers,
because right now everybody canshoot.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
But then do they all just go to the basket and just
stay in under the goal all thegame, because that could get
boring too.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
So I think it's going to depend.
I mean, if it's still spreadout and they're attacking.
But if that corner three isn'tthere and they take a long two,
defense analytics would say,okay, let them take a long two
because it's not really hurtingyou.
So I mean, maybe that wouldhelp.
I mean that I could see haspotential.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
I wish they'd try something, but I don't know
exactly what it is.
But I think a lot of it comesback to the players.
Like we said, there's no hatred.
They're all buddies.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean they're showing up toeach other's podcast during the
season.
They're doing all these thingslike during the season, that's,
there's no fire there.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
Well, we talked about defense.
Yeah, kobe and Michael hatedpeople so much that you're not
scoring on me, correct?
And you don't see that.
It's just different mindset.
This is my buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
We're playing a game, well, but you'll see a lot of
people will say that about theAll-Star game.
The All-Star game is led by thestars, so when Kobe and Jordan
were there, they were going topush everybody to be better.
They're going to push you toplay harder, so that's why the
All-Star game was fun to watch.
Now there's also no hatredthere, like because it was east
and west jordan still did notlike those west guys.

(01:23:02):
I want to beat those west guys.
Kobe felt the same way aboutthe east.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
I'm gonna be the better side is there any um
reward, I guess, for winningthat all-star game?
I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
I think that makes money now because.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
But even money doesn't mean anything to most of
these guys, so you've got tohave something.
No, I.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
But again like the way they're doing it now, like
they're picking teams andthey're all mixed in, like they
can do that now because theydon't care yeah like they're all
.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
They're all friends well, let's get over to
basketball that we we actuallyenjoy a little bit more well, we
started at the beginning of thepodcast and we kind of we
shifted we're coming full circle.
See, it's so good we started itand we're comfortable back back
around.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Maybe end with it, we'll see um yeah, so, like I
said earlier, carolina playstheir last game saturday.
Most teams maybe have a gameover the next couple of days and
then saturday is pretty muchthe end of regular season and
you'll see some of the smallleagues will start conference
tournament like summer, sundayor monday, like early, it'll
early because there's some ofthose that finish Tuesday

(01:24:02):
Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
I'm excited in a weird way, cause I don't know if
I've ever been excited likethis for selection Sunday.
I don't know why I'm so excitedabout that this year.
This season has been wild.
Maybe there's been, I don'tknow who it's going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
So Brian does a fantastic job.
He posts the big games of theday every, every single day on
on Facebook.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Yeah, not amused.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Yeah, on the non amused podcast page on Facebook
he is always posting a scheduleof games to watch, whether it's
college, whether you know heposted the NASCAR stuff on there
.
You know we're, we're kind ofstretching everything.
Yeah game putting it out there.
Well, every time he puts onethat it's a ranked versus
unranked, it's a big game, I'mlike probably gonna be an upset.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
It just feels like it this year and I done it last
night.
Even late last night, before Iwent to bed.
I find myself scrolling throughthe espn app to look at the
scores, to see who upset who.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
See the upsets because there's always upset.
It just feels more common everyday, yeah, um.
So let's see auburn got beatlast night auburn didn't just
get beat, auburn got manhandledlast night like it was
supposedly the best team in thecountry.
They did not look good lastnight.
Let's just be honest, they theylooked vulnerable and again.
But I said this a few weeks agoa loss right now doesn't hurt
you that bad, because a lossright now you learn some things

(01:25:17):
and you then you can go and say,all right, here's our big push
and we're going to make a bigrun, so it's it doesn't make you
think different about them.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
You still think the best team they just had off
night.
Because that's kind of what thetournament is you have off
night, you get beat easy I thinkauburn is one of the best teams
.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
I don't know that.
I would just put them as theoverall best team.
They have just felt the mostconsistent across the year.
A lot of the other teams, theSEC you've not seen true
consistency.
I mean, I know we say, well,there's so many ranked teams,
it's hard, you still show someconsistency.
It's what.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
I said against Kentucky, kentucky has, if not
the most, one of the most winsagainst top-ranked teams.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
And then one of the most losses against unranked,
but then lost all kinds of teamsthey shouldn't have lost to Now
.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
I saw a stat because I watched a Kentucky game last
night.
They beat LSU and justdestroyed them.
Lsu is horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
LSU is awful.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
But I didn't realize this.
Kentucky basketball has onlyplayed seven games with their
full roster because they've hadinjuries all year long.
Now I'm not making that excusebecause I still don't think they
would have been the number oneteam if they had the whole
roster, but it's just crazy tothink.

(01:26:25):
And now that's every team'sgoing through that of course,
yeah, but you don't think aboutthat when you, when you see
teams records, you don't go backand go okay, who was hurt, who
was here, you know what team wasout.
Um, and that plays so much morepart than people realize and if
you can get your team healthyin the tournament to make that
run healthy in the tournament,what matters?

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
be a huge, huge difference well, I I got a
little bit surprised because Iwas looking through some scores
from last night and I thought Iwas on the wrong tab.
I thought I was on the NBAbecause it was 113 to 100, and
I'm like, hang on, that's notcollege.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Who's that?
I think I saw that Arizona,arizona State.
Okay, well, that's still outwest.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Yeah, but still, I was just very surprised.
I was like you at all.
Those guys grew up watchingCurry out west Very possible
Because we talked about it, byuand Iowa State went double
overtime.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Double overtime.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
And it was still 80-85.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
That's crazy double overtime, so that's a 50 minute
game.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Is it 5 minutes each?

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
overtime.
That's unreal.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
That's a little too much the opposite way, but it's
no, but I'm okay with it Becauselike Memphis kind of had a
tough game against UTSA 75-70.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
But okay.
So the I'm curious now, the88-85 game in double overtime.
What was the tied score atregulation in first overtime?
Do you have it there?

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
I want to make you do a little work overtime.
Do you have it there?
Um, it looks like 68, 68 at theend of regulation 68 68.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
And then what about the first overtime?

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
it doesn't show me, oh, it doesn't show you that
part.
Okay, no, I mean I could go,but still.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
So right here so the team that won only scored 20
points in the in the twoovertimes combined.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Yeah, yeah yeah, so I mean, that's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Yeah, now you know, could that be defense, could
that be, you know, lack ofoffense?
Who knows?

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
But I mean those teams.
Again, college is notnecessarily as efficient as the
pros, cause you have guys thatare never going to be that level
.
It just is what it is, but it'sjust more fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
I think different because of that and that's what
I enjoy watching well, exceptfor alabama.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Alabama plays like an nba team.
Oh yeah, they're gonna jack up,because they just jack up
threes every second.
Yeah sorry, paul, um, butthat's just the way they they're
gonna live or die by the threethey feel like duke from like 10
years ago, where it's like dukecould literally beat anyone but
could also lose to anyone,which they did in the tournament
several times because they justweren't hitting shots.
And that may be more like 15years ago now, but yeah they,

(01:28:40):
they were such a I'm gonna hitthrees.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
I'm not gonna hit threes yeah, like you said,
these guys shooting the threesare not quite as talented.
As you know, the curries andthe nba stars so you know I
understand why nba does it alittle bit more college.
I understand why they do itbecause that's where the game's
going correct.
It's hard to beat a team likethat if they're hitting their
threes, unless you do it too.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Yeah, those guys are just like you said.
They're not as consistent,they're not going to hit as many
.
It's just the way it's going tobe.
But yeah, I mean I'm veryexcited coming in.
You know, I always watch theACC tournament.
I always still watch the SECtournament because there's so
many big names in it.
Big 10 tournaments to be fun,it's going to be 50-50,.
Whoever wins, but, it's goingto be a fun one regardless.
Other than that, we did say whowas it that scored 100?

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Purdue puts up 100 out of the Big Ten.
I'm like heck that's two gamesworth.
Y'all got to slow down.
You're only allowed so manybaskets in a season.
Up there, I want to seedifferent conferences play each
other.
I want to see the Big Tenagainst SEC.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
That's what I'm excited about when we get into
the tournament and we really getto start seeing the mix again,
because we haven't seen thatsince.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
so early in the season.
You've seen what St John's doesbecause apparently they're on
fire.
They're fantastic.
I mean Patino, Rick Patino.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
He knows what he's doing.
I would say that's the thing is.
There may be some controversythat followed him.
Nobody questions that he cancoach, is a ball coach Like he's
.
He's very, very good at it.
So yeah, I mean I'm I'm lookingforward to to this whole next
couple of weeks, like you said,into selection Sunday and then,
of course, once the tournamentstarts.

(01:30:09):
I'm not even sure if we'regoing to be able to record like
we're going to have so manygames to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
I know we're going going to live broadcast.
We'll do our commentary likewe're at the game.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
It would be so like which game are they talking
about?
There's like five playing rightnow.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
No, that's what we do .
We pick a good game and we'regoing to run a special episode
of this just doing thecommentary.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
Yeah, but think about how many times between games,
because you're like there's fourgood games happening right now
yeah like close, like could beupsets, could be nail biters,
like yeah, it just makes it funno, it does.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
Uh, but I'm gonna call it right now duke doesn't
make it to the sweet 16.
Oh, sweet 16, that'll make itsweet 16.
First or second round, they'reout.
I've just seen it too manytimes.
This is a different duke team,because they're not living by a
shot.
I get it.
They're playing inside out alot because they've I've just
seen it too many times.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
This is a different Duke team.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
Because they're not living by a shot.
I get it.
They're playing inside out alot because they've got so many
bigs.
They don't make it to 16.
So you're saying, as a numberone, they're going to lose first
or second round.
I don't see them losing to acurrent 16.
Looking at who the projected16s are, I don't think so either
.
That's why I say they can makea sweet 16.
But you think the eight or ninebeats them next round?

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
I think they're done and I've seen the teams this
year.
The eight or nines, Eight ornines are going to be tough this
year Are going to be decent.
The eight or nines are going tobe very tough this year.
And I've seen Duke lose I don'tcare Final four, because it's
happened, we've definitely seenit before that it's happened.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
We've not had any, but we've also seen it with four
.
So it's just weird.
I do.
How many do you think then?

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
See, I don't know who the final fours are going to be
or who the ones that are goingto be just yet, but probably
Auburn.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
You think at least one will be there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
I think one will be there.
It's either going to be Auburnor somebody we least expect.
Again, I don't know who thatone's going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
just yet Looking at it currently and something could
change, obviously withtournaments and all that Top
four Auburn, Duke, Houston,Tennessee, I don't think it's
Tennessee.
They've been very up and downfor me, yeah, like even some of
their wins were.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
I watched Kentucky beat them twice and Kentucky's
not a great team, right?
So they have weaknesses.
Are they a good team?
Yes, but they got weaknesses.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
I honestly think if one makes it and I think one
will it's probably going to beAuburn.
I would like to see this,though I'd love for St John's to
like sixth in the country rightnow.
I'd love to see it.
That would be funny, do youthink they give it to them?
When have we seen St John'sbeen relevant, which St John's
is one of those like?
It's a basketball school, it'sone you remember from the 80s
and 90s, but we haven't seen itin a long time.

(01:32:50):
So it's cool to see.
At this point I'm like, alright, carolina's not very good this
year.
If we don't make the tournament, let's go St John's.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
I think St John's makes a run.
Let's let them have it.
I think they're going to make arun regardless of where they're
at.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
Patino, you know the redemption arc of Patino at St
John's winning another one.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
I think they go at least.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
I want to say Elite Eight.
They're going lead eight team.
Yeah, I mean they're justplaying very, very good.
Their losses none of theirlosses have just felt really,
really bad, like even some ofthe teams they've lost to like
they just don't feel like superbad losses.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
I'm the same way we was with college football,
though, and I've said thisbefore I want to see what the
SEC teams do in the tournament,cause I I know we said it about
football.
I still think it about football.
I think you know you can onlytake 12 teams in football.
It is what it is Right.
I want to see you know 9 or 10SEC teams get in this tournament
and let's see what reallyhappens.
Like, are they as good as wethink?

(01:33:53):
Because I think they passed theeye test for me, because I've
watched a lot of SEC because ofKentucky and they passed the eye
test, but now I'm not seeingthem a lot against these other
teams.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
See to me like the top five, top six, kind of pass
that test.
After that, I don't think theypassed the test, like watching
them, like some of the like.
Like we said before the podcaststarted, texas is not a very
good team.
They're just not.
I agree with that, and they'vebeaten several of those guys
that are.
You know, it's going to begoing to be tournament teams.
It's been weird and I'm justlike I just don't see Again.

(01:34:26):
I'm not talking about Florida,auburn, tennessee, I'm not
talking about some of those topSEC teams, but kind of the
Mississippi State, Ole Miss,vanderbilt, like that level I'm
like they could lose first roundvery easily.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
They could, Just they could lose first round very
easily.
They could.
But that's what I want to seeis how deep is this?

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
And again it also comes down to the draw, because
when that selection happensthere are sometimes not that I
necessarily feel the NCAA islike, oh, we've got to protect
this conference.
It just feels like sometimesyou'll see a team get that
shouldn't probably get theeasiest of whatever seed they're
getting, but gets the easiestWhether it's a 13-4 or a 12-5,.
It's like, man, they got theweakest 12 or the weakest 13.

(01:35:04):
Because that's one of thosethat we always see some upsets.
It feels like that 12 and 13kind of make some of those jumps
.
Yeah, that's where they comefrom and the 14.
And, like you said, that 8-9,you know it's kind of tough.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
I was sitting here looking because I thought I was
right about this.
So you know I watched Kentuckyplay Oklahoma.
They beat them by one point andI don't think Oklahoma's good
at all.
But Oklahoma beat Louisvilleearlier in the year, correct.
Now again that's earlier in theyear.
So I want to see how are thesegoing to play out now we get to
the end of the year and who'sreally good?
Because I didn't like it asmuch in football not knowing who

(01:35:38):
the main teams are.
I kind of like it in basketballbecause we get to put them all
in the tournament.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
It's different because you have a 64-team
tournament.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
Yes, when you get that many teams in Actually 68.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
68, I apologize 64 of the main brackets.
You have the four play-ins.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Yeah, we're going to play in for the 10th seed.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
Shut up, I can't stand it.
So 12 seed play in.
You've got like what's thepoint of that?
I still don't get it, I hate it, I don't know.
16s let the four bottoms playin.
Cool, Fine, with that.
Everybody else.
You're either in it or you'renot.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
It just you know, as a fan, obviously we hope our
teams will go further than wethink they will, and I'm that to
have surgery, so I'm curious tosee where they fall.
What happens?
So I did pull up Bracketologyon ESPN.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
And currently they've got what they think the 68 team
bracket could look like.
Your Duke claim could be close.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Listen, I haven't even seen that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
I'm just telling you First round against the 16, I
don't think they struggle.
Next game could be either UConnor Vanderbilt.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
Yeah.
Like that could be, but see,Vanderbilt is one of those teams
I'm talking about.
I don't are they good or not.

Speaker 1 (01:36:52):
I can't figure it out .
I don't think they're as great.
They've got a couple of goodwins, but again.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
They're 20-11.
They're right there at the samelevel, okay, but you just said
they might be able to knock offDuke and they're like 10th in
the SEC.
No, no, no, I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
UConn, I'm not even thinking that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
Oh, I got you.
I'm thinking UConn, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
In my mind.
I don't see UConn losing tothem Now.
They could, because they'llmake a turn.
They'll be fine.
They've not looked good thisyear.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
Hurley has not felt like he was what he was last
year.
It just it doesn't feel thesame.
So, yeah, I mean it's.
It's going to be interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
Um, well he could have came to Kentucky.
He decided not, to which I'mI'm really glad he didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
Uh, I don't know what's going to happen to him
over the.
I mean he's going to have to.
Obviously you went back to back.
You tie yourself in for a longtime.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Like you're, you're good.
Has he melded in now because ofthat?

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
I can't imagine Is that the term melded in.
It'd be hard to say that youhave at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
You think you'd still be on fire?

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
Like, hey, let's, let's get three in a row.
That I'm like I want to.
I don't want to lose anotherone.
I don't ever want to lose again.
Like, let's keep going anddoing it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
Well, once you've won the championship, the only
thing you can do is win anotherone.
Like, anything less is justless than you've already done.
Yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
It's like you know you're going to say, well, we
had a good year, depending onwhat your roster was.
I'm like, once I've won one,that's the benchmark, Like the
only way I'm going to really behappy is, if I win it again,
everything else is just failure,because there's nothing else
below it.
No, I mean, he already putshimself in elite territory by
winning a back-to-back, becausethat happens so rarely.

(01:38:31):
It's very rare.
The last time we had it wasBilly Donovan at Florida.
It was like 2007, 2008.
Uh-huh, and they did it withbasically the same team.
They had like nobody leave inthat.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
So it was kind of like that's not as impressive.
It was a little different.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
I mean it's still impressive just because at that
point, like you have two yearsworth of film on these guys,
like there's not much changingbecause it's the exact same
squad, so it's.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
And everybody had a lot of the same squads back then
.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
Yeah, they weren't leading quite as often it didn't
feel like, but I mean, lookingat the bracket, like it could be
, it could truly be madness,like we could see some craziness
happen, which, again, I love it.
I'm excited about it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
I'm ready.
Let's go right now.
Let's just skip the rest of thetournaments.
I don't even need conferencetournaments, let's just get to
the big one.

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
The only people that need conference tournaments is
the small conferences, becauseit determines who gets in and
who doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Or unless you're not going to make it to the big
tournament.
Well, like Carolina, if theywant to make it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:29):
They need the tournament.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
Okay, yeah, that means something to them.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
So currently Carolina is listed as a first four.
Out Blows my mind.
We were a few weeks ago, butwe've won six straight.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Oh, you thought they were done.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
I still don't feel like they're that good.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
They're just playing better right now.
That extension information cameout and it's like, okay, now we
got to turn it up.

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
I'm still disappointed every time I think
about it.
Nope, so if they beat Duke, Ithink they're in.
I don't think we can beat Duke.
I hate to say that I just don'tthink we can.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
If they beat Duke, does it matter what they do in
the tournament?

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
Like they could lose first game.

Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
I think Just because at that point it's like you got
your marquee win while they wereplaying good, it's not like
we're seeing Duke in a bad spellor we're seeing it early in the
season.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
What if they?
I don't even know who can loseto them.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
That would have to be in like the semis or the
championships.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Oh, so by that point they're good.

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
Yeah, because Carolina is currently fourth in
the conference.
It's not like they're that fardown.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
The conference is so horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
Normally when you're talking to a team that's like
barely going to make thetournament, they're farther down
.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
Be in that like fourth or fifth position.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
So you're talking about how horrible this coach is
and he's fourth in theconference.
I mean, come on.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
In the weakest ACC in the past 20 years.
He's killing it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
Don't start.
He's fourth right behind Dukeand Louisville and Clemson, who
are just awesome teams.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
Five games behind Duke.
Yeah 13 and6 in the conference.
But again I'm calling up Hangon UNC Athletics right now.
Give the man a raise.
Do you want to hear what thebottom of the conference looks
like?
It's got to be bad.
It's bad.
Let's see 6-24.
Yeah, 6-24.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
Who is that?

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
Miami, oh my gosh 12-17.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
And that's the coach that left at the beginning of
the year or right after theseason started whatever Jim
Laranega Gosh, so you don't get.

Speaker 1 (01:41:26):
He saw the writing on the wall.
You don't get above 500 untileighth position.
Half of the conference is below500.
So that's why, I'm like, okay,it's not great.
And then to get above 500,you're at 16 and 14.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
So we've talked about SEC having a lot of teams that
are projecting to get in and Idon't know where they fall.
Where do other conferences fallLike is that that bad?
Or like is the Big Ten?
Kind of the same way, yourhalf's below 500?
.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
Well, the thing is, though, like ACC is historically
.
Well, the thing is, though,like acc is historically, that's
what they're good at.
Basketball is their conferencelike that's that's what they're
known for.
They're not a football drivenconference, they're not really
anything else so sec has 16schools now, right?

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
yes, they only have two.
That's below 500, correct?

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
so you go find uh, let's see what the big 10 is,
I'll go look at the big 12.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
Okay, let's, let's see, Cause I'm just curious like
, is that normal?

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
And we're just which again, big 12 is tough because
big 12 is not a super deepconference basketball Like we.
We always pick a few out ofthere, but they're not super
deep.
Big 12 has four below 500.

Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
Big 10 has three.
Yeah, but Rutgers is one ofthose who's kind of mid-pack in
the standings.

Speaker 1 (01:42:50):
And actually I may have to back up on that.
Acc has like eight.

Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
Like it's a big difference fromtypical, so it's tough, it's
very tough.
Yeah no, I was correct with sec.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
I was afraid there was somebody mid-pack, but no,
no, they're 14th on, they're allover 500, yeah that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:10):
So that's what I'm saying.
Like it's, it's not.
It's not what we typically seeat all, not for this conference,
this conference, typically,they've used to.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
They were the basketball conference for a long
time.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
Duke and Carolina kind of lit it up but you had a
lot of tools.
You were always arguing they'regonna get seven or eight like
it was.
It was kind of a consistentyeah, they're probably the seven
range realistically.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
What's uh, sec grew, it did they.
Are they taking players fromacc?
Are they taking coaches?
Because sec did a big push withcoaches they did do a big push
with coaches.

Speaker 1 (01:43:43):
I mean, I think, some of your best college basketball
coaches in the country all accright now is that what's
contributing to acc um?
Or are they just well?
I think a watered down acc whenyou've got stanford and smu and
you've got schools across thecountry like this isn't atlantic
coast anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
This is across the country, well, which is kind of
getting crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
That's all all the conferences they're they're all
a mess.
I don't like that.
I I would love to see a kind ofa shift and re reposition some
things I don't know what thatmeans.
Time to wake up um, no, that'sa different alarm.
245.
Gosh, if I had to do wake upalarm at that late, that's
that's rough, it's a long nightif that was happening.

(01:44:22):
No, but I do think NIL hasplayed a big part.
I think we're seeing, becausebasketball has so many true D1
teams and some other conferencesthat always have some ranked
teams and always have some goodteams, I do think the talent
spreads out a lot more andbecause there's what,
realistically, eight spots,eight guys are going to play.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
Yeah, you're not talking.

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
I mean they, they keep like 15 to 17,.
You know when you really lookat the end of the bench, but
realistically you're talking.
Eight, maybe nine guys, yeah,if that.
So yes, I mean it's's.
It's like with everything else,they're spreading out a lot
more than they used to Idefinitely it's, and I was just
looking.

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
There's actually right now, uh, d1 man's programs
352 352.

Speaker 1 (01:45:14):
That's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
That's a lot, that's a lot and we're talking schools
like st john's, some of thesmaller schools that are schools
that are playing well.
That can get some of thattalent.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
So yeah, I think they're really spread out, but
again, you have a Patino there.
You can draw kids.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
I agree the guy knows how to win.
That's why I can't believeCarolina didn't go get a name.
They could probably have Patino.

Speaker 1 (01:45:35):
I mean, I don't know that they could have got him.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
honestly, Maybe not.

Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
I don't know, I don't know that he would have really
won.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
They could have got a name.

Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
I don't know that Carolina would want it, because
Patino's going to have control.
He's going to wherever he goes,it's his team, it's his program
, it's his school.
Basically you leave him alone.

Speaker 2 (01:45:51):
Outside of Louisville .
Some issues they had there andthey still played Like he's won.

Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
He won Iona.
Maybe you need to give him theprogram.
He made them a tournament teamLike he made them.
They were like 20 and 7 orsomething.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
I mean he went to Lithuania for a period and was
winning games.

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
He's been a little everywhere and he's just, he's a
winning ball coach.
Like he knows how to do it.
He's figured that out.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
I did not like him at Louisville.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
I'm one, one of the guys coming back around a little
bit.
Yeah, that's a rivalry.
Just some of the stuff he saidand done.

Speaker 2 (01:46:20):
Why was that?
Louisville?
Sure Kind of like, oh really,like you was at Kentucky, you're
going to talk like that, butyeah it's coming back around.
It's like as a Tar Heel fan.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
I can never like Coach K Okay, Like I wouldn't,
he's a.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
Duke guy, but that's the rivalries we're talking
about.
I don't think you can do that.
Well, I don't think Carolinawould, because they only hire
Carolina guys, that's true,that's the hard part, is we're
like, but I don't think Coach Kwould have anyways.

Speaker 1 (01:46:47):
No, no, I think he would have seen.
I think he is smart enough torealize, even if it was going to
be like the perfect fit.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
I'm going to go do exactly what I got to be back in
Kentucky, right In the state ofKentucky, go to Louisville.
I don't know why he didn't seeit as a rivalry like the fans do
, but maybe he's just sayingthat after the fact to try to
get back in Well, but there fora while it didn't feel like much
of a rivalry.
Well, they weren't doing muchfor a while, but that's what I'm
saying.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
Like there, for a while it didn't feel that was it
, there was no other really goodteam.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
That's what Williams came from, kansas, right?
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:47:24):
So I guess again.
But he's from here, he's fromwestern North Carolina, I mean
he.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
But that's not a huge rivalry like Duke and Carolina
is, oh gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:47:31):
No, that's rivalry because it's big name programs
across history, not because it'sactually a true rivalry.
Yeah, but yeah, it's anotherteam struggling a little bit
this year Kansas, unranked.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
I thought they was going to be great.

Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
We all did, we all did.
They're definitely not there.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
Bill Self, no, the player.
They're supposed to be great.
Oh yep, big guy.

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
That guy, I can't yeah.
Anyway, you asked me a name andI can't remember it.
We knew it at first because thehill.
So fell off the hill.
Fell off the hill, that wassuch a random thing to say.
Rolled down the mountain.
Uh yeah, I mean a kansas teambeing 19 and 11, like that's a
really bad season for them.

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
I don't think anybody's really bad and I think
they're another one that we'regonna see in the tournament.
I don't think they go very far.
I don't know if they make it.
Oh, I didn't even think aboutthat.
19 and 11, that's they're.
Yeah, they're kind of withNorth Carolina, I guess at that
point.

Speaker 1 (01:48:21):
Yeah, carolina's got one more win than they do.
They probably have two gamesleft is why.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
But yeah, I mean there's a chance, depending on
what happens these last coupleof games, I think teams like
that, though I think Carolinaand Kansas both get in Nothing
else their name, if you get on.

Speaker 1 (01:48:35):
I don't think if Carolina loses to Duke, which is
kind of expected at this point,yeah, they're going to lose to
Duke.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
I think they're not making it.
You don't think they get in atall?
No, I still think somebody inthe room argues like this is
Carolina.

Speaker 1 (01:48:46):
I would argue against them.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
Because you're talking ratings and all that
stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:48:50):
But again, they've not done anything to earn it.
But if you tell me what?

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
win.
Do you go to and say somesmaller school in a smaller
market?
Nobody really knows.
And I'm battling between thetwo, Just took my mic out.
I'm going to want Carolina forthe market, for the fans, for
the, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:49:07):
So if I'm on the fence there, but I think one
thing about NCAA though when itcomes to March Madness, they
don't look at it the same way,that way.
I don't want them to, Becausesmaller schools, their fan bases
are crazy when it comes totournament time.
They will travel.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
Sometimes it's their first and only tournament.

Speaker 1 (01:49:24):
They win a couple of games.
All of a sudden you've got a 14seed as a Sweet 16.
Every person from that schoolis showing up.
They're going to cancel class.

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
They're going to do everything.
Maybe it was in Charlotte whensome of that was going on
Virginia lost.

Speaker 1 (01:49:37):
Who was that team?
Gosh, it was some nobody's likelittle bitty school.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
Um, they're up in maryland yeah, they're like the
golden retrievers because Iremember seeing their fans and
their buses and it was yeah,because we were there and we're
like holy crap, virginia justlost in virginia that year was
like they were rejectingnational champion why didn't we
go to the game?

Speaker 1 (01:49:55):
I don't even know what he's doing there um I don't
think we were planning on beingthere and it just kind of
happened Because, yeah, weweren't planning on being down
there.
Well, here's the thing Kansashas one more game against a
ranked Arizona team.
They lose that in their 19 and12.
They about have to go win theirtournament.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
They got to do good in the tournament, yeah.
Like I don't but theirtournament ends on Saturday, I
think, if I remember correct.

Speaker 1 (01:50:20):
Is SEC the only one that ends on Sunday?
Only big one, maybe the onlybig one.
Okay, because a lot of themwill already be done.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
Yeah, because, like SEC if a team needs in, if you
get just to the finals.
I've never liked that.
I don't like it either.
Because it just feels like itdoesn't matter what happens that
day we saw, because the onlything that would matter then is
if a team that wasn't going tomake it wins and they're
guaranteed the spot.

Speaker 1 (01:50:43):
I think it was kentucky and texas a&m.

Speaker 2 (01:50:47):
Maybe I want to say kentucky beat texas a&m, where
something like that in thechampionship game that was a few
years ago yeah, and the losingteam was ranked ahead of them in
the yep, I do remember thebracket and it was clear, like
they didn't even factor in thatgame.

Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
But you can.
It's on Sunday.
The selection happens like 20minutes after the game ends.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
It's literally right at the beginning, but I feel
like you could have it okay ifthey win and look good.

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
Basically have both the teams wrote down.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
Yeah, kind of close.
I don't know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
Both, have them both wrote down and then just flip
them, depending on what?

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
Start using that word ?

Speaker 1 (01:51:18):
writ yeah, I don't know, it's been a long day, yeah
, so no, I'm super excited.
Like you said, selection Sunday, for whatever reason, does feel
really exciting this yearbecause I think we'll see some
teams with records that areprobably not necessarily as good
as they would have been in thepast.
They're a pretty high seed,like I think you're going to see

(01:51:40):
like a seven or eight loss teamstill be like two or three,
which is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
It used to be like he's projected, like a three.

Speaker 1 (01:51:48):
I can't.
Imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
They're barely over 500.

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
They're 10 losses Like how do you a three at 10
losses Like that blows my mind.
And it may be just crazy, soyeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
I wouldn't want to be in the room wrecking these
teams, this year especially thisyear is one of the harder years
.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
Yeah, yeah, all of you that are going to do the
espn, pick your perfect bracketfor a million dollars.
Good luck.

Speaker 2 (01:52:11):
You're saying that about carolina, but you're right
, like kentucky's, sitting at 20and 10, particularly like a
three, four at the worst they'resaying right now yeah, which is
crazy and no but the thing is,though kentucky has some good
wins, they have some very badlosses, but they have some good
wins.

Speaker 1 (01:52:24):
Carolina only has bad losses.
They don't have any good wins?

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
no, that makes that's the biggest difference.
But the conference they're in,how do they get good?

Speaker 1 (01:52:31):
strength.
Strength is not really strength.
Schedule strength of conferencewill go a long ways too.
Like the, the big 12, itdoesn't go as far.
So they're probably gonna getto get four to five guys Big 10,
kind of the same way becausethe overall arcing conference is
not great.
Sec is going to get so manybecause, as a whole their
conference number-wise, has beengood.

Speaker 2 (01:52:49):
They appear to be great.
We're going to find out, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
Yeah, I mean again, I'm still on the fence for those
middle-of-the-road teamsconference every year.
Whoever the the biggestconference has the most winning
teams goes into the tournament.
It's kind of like then they'llshow it at the end well, this,
this conference, has more losses.
Yeah, when you send 10 teams,they're gonna have more losses
because only one can win.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
Yeah, and like that's what I hate about you said
before, they're gonna eventuallyend up have to play each other
if they do keep going on.
Um and just by chance, if youput 10 teams in there, you have
10 chances of losing.

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
So you have more chances of loss.
So yeah, I mean, yeah, I, Icompletely agree.
So it it's gonna be a mess,though I will say that I think
it's.
Uh, I'm curious to see wherethey send everybody to, because
obviously you've got the fourregions.
I'm curious to see who goeswhere yeah, I think it'll be
exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
It might be the most exciting in a long time, really.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
Maybe.
I mean I think we've got ithelps.
I'll say this it helps having aguy like Cooper Flagg for all
of basketball, not just for Duke, but for the fact of he's a
projected number one rumorclaiming he may want to come
back.
I don't know if that's justbecause you don't want to go to
play for Utah, who probably isgoing to get the number one pick

(01:54:04):
.
I did see some of these NBA guyssaying, yeah, I don't know that
I wouldn't stay another year.
It's kind of claiming thatright now to put that thought in
everybody's head and then waitto see who gets the number one
pick.
If San Antonio gets the numberone pick, I'm going a chance to
play with Fox and Wimby.
Yeah, yeah, sure, you got to go.

(01:54:25):
But if Utah gets number onepick, who wants to?
go Like Utah is not in a placeright now that the you know,
it's the Malone and Stockton.
They're a bad NBA team.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
You know a kid growing up playing basketball.
Whatever sport you play, youpick you somewhat.
Pick your high school, I don'tunderstand.
But then you pick your collegeand you pick Sure sure, well,
they do nowadays.
Sure, your like travel ballteams and what do they call it
now, the I'm losing the term butthe big tournaments they have
in basketball AU, au, yep, theyhave those big tournaments and
you pick what team you want togo to, and then you go to the

(01:54:57):
nba and it's like here, here'syour team, they make it for you
so right?

Speaker 1 (01:55:01):
well, to an extent, because some of these guys kind
of pick where they want to gobecause they'll, like they'll
play these games of I may or maynot go out.
Yeah, because here's the thingif utah gets it, they're the
number one pick.

Speaker 2 (01:55:10):
I think everybody expects cooper flag to be the
number one, but now in collegebasketball, once you commit and
go past that date, you're incorrect, so you can't back out.
Then if they say yeah, I'mtaking you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:20):
I just feel it's one of those.
If it looks truly like Utah'sgoing to get it, if I'm Cooper
Flagg, I stay another year.
Utah's not a place I want to go.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
Especially because he can make money now in college.
Correct, if there was no money,it wasn't going to be a little
different.

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
So I saw a projection the other day.
It's like four and a halfmillion this year.
Obviously that's not NBA money.
Don't get me wrong NBA money isway, way bigger.
He's a college kid, but you canlive off four and a half
million.
I'd be okay, I'd be fine withit.
Give me the half million, I'lltake it, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
You want me to play at Duke for four and a half
million.
I hate Duke.

Speaker 1 (01:56:01):
I'll play at Duke, for I think you really have to
for somebody like him.
Be selective, because he is nota guy that I think is going to
go in and be a true superstar.
I think he's got star potentialI don't think superstar,
because that's just such adifferent level.

Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
It is, and then to go do it at.

Speaker 1 (01:56:12):
Utah.
He's by himself, he's not goingto have anybody to really help
him.
But, like I said, you go to SanAntonio with Fox and Wimby.
You're going to look reallygood really early, because,
you've got help, because they'regoing to make you look good
With any team.
I'm with you there.
Somehow he makes it to theLakers, which is not going to
happen, but you have that aroundyou Because not even talking
about LeBron, but Reeves andNick the market stuff too.

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
you mentioned that earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:56:42):
That's a big market.

Speaker 2 (01:56:42):
That makes a difference, yes, but there's a
few, few teams, that managementwise team wise, you just don't
want to go there, yeah, but I'mwith you, but I'm excited for it
, ready for it yeah, yeah, I'mlooking forward to it and we'll
uh definitely keep you allupdated on facebook.

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instagram, everything um a lotof exciting things in the works
yeah, we've got a ton of stuffwe're thinking about.
It's just logistics.
There's always so many thingsto to look at from from
different sides, but we're superexcited about about the weather
changing and everything comingup and super excited about just

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Speaker 2 (01:57:53):
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have to listen.
Then maybe they'll start doingit themselves.

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Get in the car like, oh, what'sthis?
What just happens to be playingin the background?
We'll start doing that.
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Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
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radio playing in public uhstores and stuff like that.
I'm gonna go find how to turn,change the station.

Speaker 1 (01:58:13):
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Speaker 2 (01:58:17):
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I'm saying maybe over theintercoms and everything, I'm
just going to put our podcast onloop.

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I was trying to think of how tomake that work, but okay but we
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We'll see you soon, yep, thankseveryone.
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