Dinosaurs Probably Didn't Have Six-Packs

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome back to the non-means podcast here this week
for the first time.
Tyler and will Dave is not herethis week, not feeling the
greatest greatest, so we saidthe show must go on.
So luckily, you know, Will'sbeen kind of an addition that
we've had and this is his firsttime having to pull a little bit
of weight, actually being superpresent and not just kind of

(00:36):
talking once in the background.
So I don't know if you're readyfor that or how excited you are
, but it should be fun.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Well, I'm very excited because this show has
been carried on my shouldersevery time I've been on it.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
God, you sound like your mom I mean the emails that
I've gotten this week from yourmom have been nuts like I'm
going.
I've had this email since, likehigh school.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
I'm gonna have to get rid of it well, I mean, the
lindsays are tough, tough people, and so we pull a lot of weight
in this role.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Tough is a.
That's a very light word forthe, the colorful language.
I've received this week Likerestraining orders are coming.
Just let her know like she'sgoing to have to be a little
nicer.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
She loves her voice To a fault.
Yeah, and there's not much tolove with you but but real quick
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Now it's been a hectic week.
We have all been like extremelyexhausted.

(02:04):
Supposed to record last nightand I call Will.
I'm like, hey, man, you ready.
And he's like dude, I just wokeup Like I'm out.
I was like all right, see youtomorrow.
I'm like, well, we'll justreschedule, no big deal.
So you awake, you like you withme tonight.
You good, yeah, I think you withme tonight you good, yeah, I
think Okay, gotcha, gotcha thispast week.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
We don't give enough attention to transition periods,
I feel like, in our lives.
Who has time for that?
I know.
And so this weekend, baseballseason finally coming to an end
on Friday night this weekend, itfelt like all of that emotion
and stress that built up overthe year, just completely like
those few months of justexhaustion.

(02:47):
Yeah, it just finally all cameout at once.
I got you.
Yeah, I slept a lot thisweekend.
I would have been a badaddition to the podcast
yesterday.
I probably wouldn't have slept.
I probably would have beenasleep, hang on.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
But that implies that you're a good addition.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
On other times.
I feel like that is not just, Iguess, public opinion that I am
everyone's opinion is that youjust suck.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
I mean, that's kind of the only thing I've heard, so
but yet other than your mom.
Nobody has been like.
Oh, I love, I love wheels on.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
David wanted me to be a permanent.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
He's sick he's on a lot of medication.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Like he, it could be just so me agreeing with him
about nascar two weeks ago wenta long ways.
It really did go a long way.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
It's like in the moment it took you 20 minutes of
nascar talk and yeah, and itwas like man man he's, he's just
great, we gotta have himexactly so, no, we're super
excited to have you.
I'm glad that you've kind ofjumped in and are really just

(03:50):
willing to go with the crazinessthat comes with it, because
it's kind of all over the placeand scheduling to record and all
the mess, like it's tough.
But I'm excited to have you andyou're here for five minutes.
You're already breaking stuffLike you're killing me, but I'm
excited.
I'm excited to see where itgoes, because I know we kind of
all have some ideas and we'vebeen discussing, well, one.

(04:13):
We have to have anotherbusiness meeting, because
business meeting for us means wego to dinner and Will for him
is like, oh yeah, free food,we're going.
We may not talk business, wemay not talk business, we may
just stuff our face.
But we'll have the meeting wecan talk about whatever you want
.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, you don't care.
At that point You're like y'allare picking up the tab.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, we can talk about whatever you want.
So plenty of NASCAR talk.
If David brings it up, you'rejust like yeah, we'll talk for
hours.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, we'll talk about Dale Earnhardt.
I was just thinking during thisintro.
I've listened to a few podcasts.
Do you know how hard it wouldbe and people do this to do a
solo podcast where you're justtalking in front of the screen,
the video's on and you're justhaving a conversation about?

(04:55):
For some?

Speaker 1 (04:57):
people do it for hours.
I don't know how they do it,because I can take on a
conversation and kind of jumpwith something, but at some
point that ends right like Idon't know how to transition
myself into other things, likewhen you have somebody to bounce
stuff off of.
It's kind of easy, really rightit is, but talking for, like
you said, some of these guys aredoing three hour podcast, yeah,

(05:18):
by themselves.
I don't know how you have onecontent but two like are able to
.
I mean so for me, like it'skind of similar to like YouTube.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
The guys are doing to the camera, but you know that's
their, their crowd, you knowwhatever, but there's something
that they are doing that goes,or like they have the chat that
they're talking to, or you know,for the streamers it's not like
that in a podcast, if you'resitting there talking by
yourself, do you just open up abook and read it, because I
don't know what to do.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Right, and that's so.
Much of my rhetoric is basedoff or based through humor.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
You've got somebody else to knock it off, right yeah
, and I can't sit there andlaugh at my own stuff and then
transition from that.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
I mean I could at my own stuff and then transition
from that.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
I mean I could, it's just probably not funny, right,
and it'd be super awkward andI'd have a hard time doing it.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, I can't, I really can't picture that, and
I've listened to a few that doit and honestly they're pretty
solid at it.
But it's hard to think ofmyself.
Yeah, just segue yourself intothis, right, you know, at that
point, what am I doing?

(06:29):
Am I just telling stories?
Am I?
I don't know how to to navigatethat.
That would almost feel a littlebit more I don't know news like
I guess it'd be really hard tojust it would have to be we're,
we're our.
I mean, obviously, if anybody'slistening to our podcast for
any given time, it's justbasically us talking our
opinions on stuff, our thoughts,you know, discussing who knows
what, because everything is inplay.
So to do that and not have theconversation aspect, I don't

(06:53):
know how to be hard.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
It'd be really hard.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
But and I was also thinking about has it not been
so terribly windy here recently?

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I feel like worse than usual, so, and I feel like
I've said that every year, but Ialso feel like an old man when
I say that.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Well, I would say like I'm noticing it and and you
still consider yourself young,I do consider myself, you're not
but you feel that you are Thankyou Um so I did some research.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
What you're like 23 now I mean.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
I'm 26.
Okay, sorry Child, so I didsome research about.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
You're researching wind patterns.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Just to see, because it was Wow, it's so bad.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
You are bored, yeah well.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Baseball season ended and you're like I don't know
what to do, and that there is acouple of explanations, one
being global warming, which ismaking wind uh, just in this
region be more so than it hasbeen which we can really dive
into.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
That I was gonna say I know you saw the look on my
face when you said it becauseI'm like global warming is such
a hot topic for so many people,but it's not the, in my opinion,
is not the problem that peoplesee it as Right, like the amount
that this has happened is theexact same amount that it's done
.
When you look at the scientists, they're like oh, our world is

(08:21):
millions of years old, which youknow.
That's a whole otherconversation.
It's millions of years old,which that's a whole other
conversation.
It's millions of years old.
And when you go back and look atthe tracks of how the
temperature has changed.
It's right on track with everyother time, so it's like we're
worried about something that'sbeen a natural fluctuation.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
My biggest thing that I thought was true from this
article I read was that seasonschange.
Obviously more wind, yeah, butall the downed trees from the
hurricane, that's true.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
I didn't really think about that Coming over the
mountaintops that are havingless canopy.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
There's way less stuff blocking than it used to
be, that it could have a slightimpact.
Now I would feel like, though,it would have to be a lot of
trees, and I'm not sure how manytrees fell.
I do know I came up fromAnderson up through Table Rock
area.
Right, yeah, yeah, and that waswhat a couple days ago.
Yeah, and not only thedestruction from the fires, but

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the amount of downed trees wasunbelievable.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
So that's something I guess guess we hadn't really
thought of is.
You know, we had the hurricanein into September, early October
, then just all the fires in thesame areas.
The few trees that were leftare now Right, kind of gone.
And the table rock fire waswhat?
10,000 plus acres at one point,yeah, maybe 12.

(09:45):
I mean it was really really big.
It was one of the biggest I canever remember being close to us
, right, like usually the bigones were.
That was California.
Yeah, we don't get the big oneshere.
We'd have like the.
Oh, there's like 300 acres Likegrand scheme.
That's not really that big, butyou know, 10 to 12,000 is
that's a massive, massive firefor here.
So yeah, I never really thoughtabout there's way less trees at

(10:06):
the peaks because the amount ofwind, the amount of storms, the
amount of stuff that's justreally taking it down, something
you don't think about.
I guess.
No, it's not, cause we alwaysjust think, oh, we're kind of
shielded by the mountains.
You know we always threats, weget the stuff like that, but
like it's typically themountains block a lot of stuff,
even like the really bad storms,like the mountains block a lot

(10:27):
of stuff and we've had some badones, but not to the degree that
you know.
Just down the road evenhendersonville or greenville or
any of those areas really gethit.
So you know we're very lucky inthat aspect.
Yeah, we're super lucky but,yeah, I never thought about how
much the landscape has changedthat.
Obviously, you, you know thethat affects the wind, yeah, so
I guess, really, depending onthe direction the wind's coming,

(10:48):
it would be worse, becausecertain areas that you know,
especially coming from the Southright now, yeah, all of that
got burnt all the way up themountain.
So what you're saying is got tocall Mr Beast and do another
plant some trees, yeah, causewe're gonna need them.

(11:11):
We're gonna need them thissummer, we're gonna need them,
which there's?
There's a.
That's a topic I didn't think Iwas going into.
Mr beast, what's your thoughts?
Because that's like one of thebiggest people in kind of this
whole world of influencers.
Slash youtube, slash, like doyou have any thoughts on the man
or do you?
Are you, uh, are you asubscriber?
Are you watching his stuff?
Do you really care?

Speaker 2 (11:28):
I don't really.
I see it impacting a lot ofteenagers.
Good or bad?

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
I have a hard time wrapping my head around this era
of YouTube influencing orsocial media influencing, I
guess.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, I guess that's a bigger thing, you know,
because between TikTok and allthe difference.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
We have just allowed our lives to become so
accessible to others that itmakes me feel like, when I'm
holding my phone, I'm likeholding a loaded weapon, Like I
will be, like your life can beimpacted so fast and my whole
thing is I believe that I shouldworry about my community and my

(12:19):
family and people I love.
I don't need to be worryingabout someone from Tucson,
arizona, who's going throughsomething hard.
I don't, that's not my problemand it's becoming my problem
because I'm watching it all thetime.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
That's something we used to have, this discussion in
my previous employment, aboutall the tragedies and about all
these things, and it's like, allright, are things actually
worse?
Right Cause we're really quickto be like, oh yeah, it's the
worst it's ever been.
It's like, well, hang on, is itactually worse, or is it now
just the fact that we can see it, and even what was happening

(12:55):
across the world not just, youknow, local news, what happened
in our little county area.
We're seeing every cause.
That's the news.
Tragedy is what sells for thenews, like that's big, big news
for them.
You know, I hate that, that'sthe case, but that's just the
case.
So if there's a massiveearthquake, a big fire shooting,

(13:17):
you know, whatever it may be,that makes the news.
You know, 50 years ago the newslocally was not reporting on
what happened in other states,like so here it was like North
and South Carolina, cause theydid some upstate stuff, but
that's cause we're, you know, aborder town, but we weren't
talking about what happened in,like you said, arizona, new York
, california.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
None of that was important.
Well, and think about howdesensitized we've become.
Uh, just in general as asociety.
Think about how much r-ratedmovies have changed over time.
We are seeing more graphicthings.
We're seeing more gory things.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
We're hearing but look at the rise in like the
whole horror genre, right likethere are.
So I mean there's, there areconventions like horror
conventions.
Now I mean that's a nightmareto me, like that would be
horrible, that that is not a funthing to me whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, it's a complete , decent temptation to this idea
of fear.
And so think about, probablywhen you were growing up, every
time a gas station was robbed itwould be kind of like a big
deal.
It would be like, oh wow, Ididn't know the Citgo could get
robbed.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
But it happened.
But it was like so few and farbetween Right, but then it
started happening, so much thatwhen I would see it.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
I'd be like, yeah, duh.
And then guess what?
First school shooting Columbine.
Remember how the entire countrywas panicked.
Now we see Alabama had a schoolshooting.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Everyone's just like, wow, that stinks.
Yeah, so it's not that you justare completely blow it off.
You mean, you still have thethought of like man, that's
awful and terrifying.
In an hour you've alreadyforgot about it whereas
columbine I mean we're talkingabout still talk about right.
So, yes, that, but that was thefirst I'm not gonna say the
first school shooting, becausethat's obviously not the case.
There's been school shootings avery long time.

(15:06):
That was the first major onewhere it was like a thought-out
plan and where they really sawthat the response by the
officers was not a good way todo it.
But no, that was the way theywere trained.
Those guys did what they weretrained to do but it was just
wrong.
That's the way that traininggoes now, like this is what we
used to be trained.

(15:27):
Now we realize that's wrong.
We can't do that.
So, yeah, so from all aspectsof that, it's like we have to do
better.
Same thing with 9-11.
Like, think about which.
I didn't really fly much as akid, like that.
We didn't have those kinds oftrips.
But you know, my parents talkabout it because they they'd

(15:47):
been all over the place and Imean I remember as a young kid,
uh, the job my dad had theycould win, like these trips.
Well, they went to england atone point on a trip paid for by
the company and they weretalking about like flying
overseas, tsa, it was through itso quick.
And then post 9-11, it was nolonger quick.
Tsa was post 9-11.

(16:08):
Tsa was at it's peak of like.
When they say, get there 2 hoursearly, that's not early enough
you need to be there like 3hours early because it is going
to take you forever, becausethey are checking everything and
now they still do but they'vejust gotten the equipment to
handle it.
The x-ray machines are so muchbetter.
The everything you're walkingthrough the metal detector is so
much better.

(16:28):
It's like they've gotten itmuch more streamlined, which we
all knew would happen.
But it's kind of I mean thewhole cell phone topic and the
whole influencer slash.
You know, whatever you want tocall that that's.
I mean you want to call thatthat's.
I mean it's kind of somethingwe've discussed before, but I
had made the comment technologyadvancements are not always good

(16:49):
.
Like we have good intentionswith them.
Yeah, we have good thoughtswith them and, don't worry, it's
great.
Like we were just talking abouta little bit ago what was the
answer to this, and you just golook it up real quick, right,
like you, you have a computerway faster than people ever
imagined in your pocket at alltimes.
But at the same time, you havea computer in your pocket at all

(17:10):
times and it's hard to turnyourself off from that.
Yeah, I mean that's for me.
I know I'm I'm on my phone waytoo much.
It is just one of those thingslike it's it happens at this
point.
I don't even think about it Idon't think our design.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
I don't think we think our design.
I don't think we should havephones period.
I don't think we were made toever hold technology like this.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah, honestly, I don't know, Because there's
always going to be.
I mean, you think 2,000 yearsago, regardless of the
discussion, you think 2,000years ago you're back to the BC
like you think 2,000 years agoyou're back to the, you know BC
AD, transition Stuff was stillmoving forward at that time.

(17:52):
Sure, I mean there's someplenty of talks and plenty of
things that there's some veryhigh-level technology that was
actually back then that we havesince lost, you know the whole
topic for another day, right,like that could be its own
separate show.
But so like there's always beenthe advancements, but at what
point did the advancementsbecome like you weren't actually

(18:16):
you shouldn't have had thatLike?
You may have figured that out,but it probably wasn't in your
best interest to figure that out.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
And I don't know what the answer is to that.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
but I just know I've never met someone that said I
wish I spent more time on myphone.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
No, so I don't think you ever will.
But you think, like my kids nowknow how to use technology,
computers, phones at such ayoung age, right, but then even
in school everything they do ison a computer.
Like I mean, third gradeturning in assignments on
computers, yeah, like they haveto know how to do it and that's

(18:53):
kind of the way the world isRight, which is crazy.
I did see a thing a coupleweeks ago that was talking about
how it used to kind of be thestock market guys and you know
that was like the, you know kindof the, the big wigs, the, the
money marketing, like those werethe kind of important people to
where now it's it guys, right,and they're like you know, the

(19:14):
nerds have never been moreimportant, and it's like those
guys literally controleverything, like do they want to
shut your stuff down?
They can't heartbeat exactlyand then you got to call them to
fix it.
They have so much control,which is the same thing like
government contracts, likethere's so many things that
become a problem and I sit backand think who created that

(19:37):
problem?
Cause that wasn't a problem youknow, 15 years ago, the whole
like EMP situation Like wetalked about.
If there's an EMP at any one ofour major power bases, that's
shutting off power for a quarterof the country.
That's really not thatdifficult of a thing anymore.
Those are a much more commonmilitary aspect.

(19:59):
Then you have these companiesthat come in like, oh, we can
stop this If we really look deepenough.
Were you one that kind ofhelped design that?
Because it's really good tosolve a solution for a problem
we never had until you made thatproblem and now you're the
solution?
Because then you can say wewant $100 billion.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
How do you?

Speaker 1 (20:22):
say no.
You can't say no.
That's the whole thing, likethis whole government spending
thing.
It's like there are so manysituations of that right there
where these guys are likethere's only two companies that
can do this.
We specialize in this, theyspecialize in that.
You kind of got to pay us both,yeah, and they just write a

(20:42):
blank check because they makethe market.
So this whole you know, oh, youcan't have monopolies in our
country.
We're really upholding thatReally great.
I mean even locally, like I'mnot trying to bash, but like
internet, locally.
For the longest time there wasone option Period, right, like
that was it.
So you know, we don't domonopolies, but we do them

(21:03):
everywhere, exactly.
So, yeah, again, technology isawesome in so many, so many ways
.
Like we wouldn't have thispodcast if it weren't for
technology.
Oh yeah, like we'd have no wayto put this stuff out.
But at the end of the day, ifit was like the world would be
better if your podcast stopped,it's going to have to suck.
Sorry, we're going to keepgoing.

(21:23):
I can't, I can't cut it off atthis point.
It's, it's just, I'm too in it.
So, so now we are what?
A week, two weeks post draft,there are a lot of teams I feel

(21:43):
like are still doing nothing.
There are a lot of teams I feellike are still doing nothing.
Like nfl season is not that fararound the corner.
We're in may, yeah like you gotto think, the hall of fame game.
That's july august and thenit's like we start into it into
late august, early september,other than the browns having 47
quarterbacks on roster.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
That'll stink.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
That's its own situation.
I mean, you know you got Shadurthere, so they're saved, but
nobody feels like they're doingmuch.
Like some of the signings thatI was looking at today, I'm like
does that really help?
You?
Like when we signed anundrafted wide receiver, you've
got 17 on roster, right, right.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Well, none of those are working.
I don't think we're seeing alot of star mobility right now.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
No, and we're not, and those are definitely gonna
be free agent stuff way morethan than trades or anything
like that.
We're not going to see much, soI say that, but there, there's
currently nothing that seems tobe in the works.
No, it kind of does feel likean nfl down period right now,

(22:51):
though the summer always does,which sucks, though, because,
like, football is such a bigportion of the year, whether
it's both nfl and college, andthere's just so much money
moving with it and it's it dragsso much attention, so it's it's
tough and because you know,like you look at it, right now
we only have a few more weeks ofNBA season, so, like basketball
is getting ready to be over,well then it's just going to be
baseball only, for I mean I knowyou're super excited about WNBA
.
It's, it's back.
I am.

(23:11):
So I am You're right, um youknow that ended quickly and
that's about how we feel Um yeah, feel um yeah, so we're.
We're right here to the pointof like baseball is getting
ready to be it.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, like that's about all we're gonna have and
you know I could really dowithout football, do without
completely.
Yeah, really, I don't need it.
Why is that I never likedfootball growing up.
I never watched footballreligiously.
We never had like a home at myhouse.
We never had a team that wewere just like cause you guys
were all basketball baseball,basketball baseball.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
I understand that.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
And so I watch NFL, I play fantasy, I do the whole,
the whole stitch.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
but like you're, pretty deep into it to not like
football.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
I know.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Like, I love football and I'm all about it and I
can't stand fantasy.
That is something that does notinterest me.
I really don't like collegefootball, really Uh-uh.
So now I will say this we arebig college football fans, but
that's just kind of how we grewup and we watched a lot of that
I just don't like the wholeentertainment part of it.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
I just don't like it and I don't like the game itself
enough to sit down and watch.
Right, I can't just sit downand watch Wyoming play Boise
State on a Saturday, not sayingthat many people can Maybe the
blue field drags you in.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
I mean like that's a little different, but no so with
basketball I don't care who'splaying, I can sit and watch it.
It could be teams that are justnobodies.
That it's like I think I mightknow where they're from.
I just nobodies?
Yeah, that it's like I think Imight know where they're from.
I can sit there and watch itjust because I love basketball
that much.
Like you said, the way you arewith baseball, you can just sit
there and watch baseball, yeah,but football no.

(24:52):
Like I, it's way easier to mewhen a game feels like it's
important or it's at least likepower five.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Or it's a huge rivalry.
That are really good players.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
I mean I can watch more than just that, but that to
me it just makes it.
I'm going to actually payattention.
It can be on and I'm not reallywatching it for some of those
games.
So no, I'm.
But again, my brother's thesame way.
He loves football, but he onlylikes the NFL, right.
He doesn't really have anycollege.
He just doesn't enjoy it thesame way.
Now he is also wrong in thefact that he's a dolphins fan.

(25:27):
That's hard, uh, he's alwaysbeen a dolphins hard life.
I can remember as a kid, youknow he kind of grew up learning
about dan reno through him.
Yeah, um, who?
Again?
I think dan reno is one of thebest quarterbacks to ever play,
probably the greatest to everplay that never won a
championship, sure.
But yeah, I mean you've got tolook at how long the Dolphins

(25:51):
have been around.
They have not, true.
Like they're kind of relevantin the fact that they're making
playoffs.
They're not truly relevantbecause they're not making it
deep, right.
So like they've been really badfor a really long time, right.
So like they've been really badfor a really long time.
Like the panthers have been to asuper bowl, made a deep playoff
run more recent than than thedolphins, which is crazy and the

(26:12):
panthers are awful poverty,like I mean even the cam newton
days, like that was such a flashin the pan style style thing,
like he was good for like threeyears, yeah, and then it was
like he's really only good for ayear so he was really really
good for that year, but likethey were solid, yeah there for
that two to three years spanpost.

(26:33):
Jake delhomme which gosh.
There's so many people that arelike, oh, he was so great and
I'm like terrible my grandmacould make those throws.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
She didn't have any arms like I mean.
It felt like that like it wasjust so bad.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
He had Steve Smith.
It made a whole lot easier.
You throw it up there, letSteve go get it.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
But no, I mean Cam Newton.
Obviously he was, for a lot ofpeople, the only thing they'd
seen like that, because a lot ofthose people weren't around or
watching when Mike Vick wasthere.
Exactly they'd seen like thatBecause a lot of those people
weren't around or watching whenMike Vick was there, exactly
Because that was truly who MikeVick didn't make that position.
I mean, you had Warren Moon,you had a lot of guys that

(27:11):
really did a lot more of thatmobile stuff, but Michael Vick
was the human joystick, like hewas the one that like we don't
care if he ever throws it, likejust run, just run, just have
fun.
And they can't take it,entertain us, it's so much fun
to watch him.
But Cam Newton to do what hedid, I mean that kind of paved
the way for him.
But we saw it with him, we sawit with RG3.

(27:34):
These really, really brief,which is what everybody was
afraid with Lamar Jackson, thatyou were going to see two good
years and just nothing.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
But boy, did he figure it out?

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Lamar Jackson has absolutely figured it out.
Yeah, could have very, very,very easily won MVP this year.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Like Josh Allen.
Just he had a year.
He did, and I'll tell you thathe had a year, so that's really
the only thing that beat him out.
So it is impressive to me,though, that you're just kind of
like fall for you doesn't,doesn't do anything for you.
Then you're you're kind of likefalls on the way to get me to
basketball yeah which I mean Iguess you still have.

(28:13):
You've got baseball playoffs atthat point, so you're still oh,
you're still good there,because that's, that's october
october, you're pretty deep intobest.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
It's the best month no, are you?

Speaker 1 (28:25):
are you that way with like college as well, like
college world series?
Does that do it for you too,the same?

Speaker 2 (28:29):
way.
Well, I'll definitely sit downand watch it, really yes and do
you so?

Speaker 1 (28:33):
who's your?
Who's your?
Do you have like a collegebaseball, like that's my team?

Speaker 2 (28:37):
go trojans really anderson, trojan.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Oh, I know who you said, I know who you meant
they're not winning anytime soonand they haven't ever exactly,
but that's just alma mater, soit is alma mater.
Do you have a real team?
And I hate to say it that way,but like, like somebody that's a
legitimate contender, like, doyou have somebody that you're
like?

Speaker 2 (28:57):
yeah, I kind of want these guys to um, no, not really
, you just like watching it.
I've been super fortunate tohave been around and coached
some players that have made itto Power 4 or 5 schools and so
whenever they're on, or ifthere's a coach that I know
that's coaching for a team thatis Power 5, then I'll sit down

(29:21):
and watch and tune in.
And then you know, brotherplays, has played with uh and
against just these families thatwe know that are playing, you
know, acc baseball and so it's acool.
It's just cool to sit down andwatch and see the spider web of
connectivity well, oddly, we'vehad quite a few in recent years.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Major league talent come from kind of our
surrounding area, which isreally weird to think about.
Yeah, like being on that levelfrom here, because we always
just kind of take it for grantedhere Like yeah, we've got good
athletes but not that levelRight, because that's a whole.
I mean, it's a whole different.
The jump from.
People really take it forgranted because there's so many
people that play high schoolsports from.

(30:04):
People really take it forgranted because there's so many
people that play high schoolsports the jump from high school
to college.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Unbelievable the jump from western north carolina to
college.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yes it is a.
So I will say this I wasfortunate I was out of western
north carolina my senior year,yeah, so I got a little bit of
taste of that like faster paced,bigger style, like for
basketball, that game, and itwas still a massive jump in
college.
Yeah, because like everybody'sjust in shape, everybody is is
just they're there to do a joband the game just moves super

(30:33):
fast.
It's so much different.
But then to go from any levelof college I mean even the
biggest of the big I mean we'retalking, you know, you know
you're a Duke fan, I'm aCarolina fan Like to go from
there to the NBA, like that jumpis unbelievably large, like
there's a reason so few peoplereally make it.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
And even baseball.
Like baseball, there's probablymore people considered pros
than probably any other sport,because of all of the minor
league system.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
But making it to the show, to what?

Speaker 1 (31:06):
90, 90 of those guys probably never make it, if not
more, if not more, like make itto the show.
That's just.
That's such a crazy.
It's a crazy thing to think,which I.
I saw a thing recently and Ikind of heard of it, but I
didn't really understand how yougot it the major league gold
card yeah that's such a coolconcept yes, that is.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
This is why baseball is the best sport I knew.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
I knew you'd go there .

Speaker 2 (31:33):
I'm serious, because there are traditions within this
game that you can never takeaway, that no one else does so
there's.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
There's one thing about the gold card I don't like
.
Eight years is a long time,yeah, but you earn it, but like
so, and I'm not saying likeafter a year In my mind, I'm
like all right, like when yousign that second contract, maybe
then, because that's usuallylike five to six years, it's a
pretty large jump for some ofthe early guys.

(32:09):
Now I do get it, because some ofthose guys to get to year eight
, that's like third contract.
It is like a rookie secondcontract, then your third
contract.
So it's like all right, ifyou've signed a third contract
you belong exactly you know, youweren't just like a really
couple of years, awesome, youknow.
Hey, we're gonna send you backdown.
No, you, you were there, youbelong there exactly so's a
really cool.
for those of you that don't knowwhat a MLB gold card is, I'll
let we'll take that he's goingto know a little bit more about

(32:29):
it than I will yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
So MLB gold cards after eight years in a league.
Well, I think it's if you'restill there, the start of your
eight um, you get a portion ofof your contract for forever,
right, um, and it's just areally it's a great honor.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
It's also a big deal, and I've seen ball clubs they
have signed players that havemade it seven years right,
they've just signed them for a10-day contract, just so they
could get because that thatclassifies them as you were on a
roster and you're in that yearand you get the gold card but
even something so small thatthey add with that it's a little

(33:12):
card they give you like it'ssomething you keep on you you
can show up to any ballpark inthe country and get two free
tickets.
Yeah, every major leagueballpark, minus playoff games.
Right, they're like, all right,you obviously can't do playoff,
which I get, cause that'sthat's money, it just is but the
and they are required to giveyou the two best available
tickets that were not sold.
I'm like that's just such acool thing it is.

(33:34):
And I'm like if you spent like12 years in, like that you go,
like 12 years you retire and,depending on your situation,
like if your kids are older, atthat point, or it's just you and
a wife, you know, or if it'sjust you, you know, you never
know, right, I'm gonna try to goto every ballpark.

(33:54):
Yeah, like I'm gonna have suchgreat spot.
Like at that point, the game isyour life, like that's.
You've done it for so long,exactly, I mean through little
league, through middle school,high school, college, 12 major
league seasons.
If you were at that point, orcontent being done, you're still
rather young.
If you're not, it's like I'mgoing to Japan, I'm going to

(34:16):
Mexico, wherever you're going,if you're like, no, I'm good, I
had a really good career,whether you're working for a
team doing some minor leaguestuff, those guys do so many
things post career.
But yeah, I would want to goevery game I could at that point
just to be around it, exactly,like I mean even now, like so
far out of even just the levelof basketball I played and like

(34:38):
I still love being around it.
Sure, like I want to go togames, I want to watch, I want
to critique, I want to thinkabout like game plans and all
those things, like it's such a.
So I'm sure that's hard for youbecause, like you said, your
season's over now but there'sstill so much baseball being
played and it's the bestbaseball of the year being
played.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Right, you know, right, high school season it is.
It does give me opportunity togo watch, um, but I do wish our
team was in there Because youdid just go to senior day for
Anderson.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
right, I did.
Yes, that was your lastrecruits.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
It was, it was their senior days and it was really
special.
Yeah, it was really cool.
I don't go down there much, butwhen I do, it's usually good
things happen.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
I mean, how much season do they have left Because
they should be?
They're done.
Because college should be goinginto, they're in postseason now
.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
They are now Okay.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Let's say it had to be somewhere right around here.
I know it's usually prettyclose because they usually
postseason starts about the sametime.
Of classes ending Yep, it'spretty similar.
Of classes ending Yep, likeit's pretty similar.
Now we'll say this Major League, I feel like the season's
barely even started.
I know right, it is such a longseason.
Is 162 games too many?

(35:56):
Yes, what should it be though?
100.
Because, like I guess in mymind I'm always like, give me 80
to 100.
I feel like I can digest thatbetter.
100 to 110, I think 160 is just.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
It's a lot.
It's over half the year.
You really figure out who thebest team is though.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, I mean we see a lot.
So we've talked about this manytimes.
I'm a brave Sam's been.
That was local for us.
Yeah, growing up here likedidn't have the connections with
it really another way.
So praise fans, you know.
Growing up, chipper jones,andrew jones, the whole, you
know maddox small you hear aboutall the time because you lived

(36:37):
here but not being a fan of that, you're like, oh, like, I don't
, I don't want to hear thatanymore.
Like shut, shut up, but that's,that's what I grew up watching
and knowing.
So then, to think about likethe Braves this year, two thirds
of their team is on the injuredlist.
They've got guys playingpositions They've never played
before, like not saying, likenever played in the pros, like

(36:59):
literally never played before,and they are so bad.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
And it's so hard to watch right now because I really
so I'm not really into baseballyet, because I'm like, all
right, I still got somebasketball yeah, you do hang on
to, so I'm like yeah this iskind of when I start to watch
the nba.
They play so much different inthe playoffs than they do
regular season yeah we're notseeing 130 to 130, we're not
seeing 140 to 140.

(37:23):
It's like 105, 95.
Like it's a much more condensedgame to me, which is a whole
lot better game to watch.
I don't like the hey.
We had four guys score 40.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
I know.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
That's really just no fun.
I do agree with that, so I loveplayoff basketball.
I mean, these are the mosttalented guys in the world.
Noah Lyles has no idea whathe's talking about.
Like NBA guys are worldchampions and shout out Noah
Lyles, that dude's fast Dude issuper fast, yeah, and seems like
a fairly decent dude, but likethose teams are not beating

(38:00):
these guys in a seven-gameseries, no, like it's just not
happening.
So the few times that we'veseen like the Cavs championship
team went and played somebody,they played the national team.
The national team doesn't count.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
No, it's a legit Like go play.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
They're like oh, they lost by six to the national
team.
Yeah, most of the guys on theCavs can't make national teams
Because, like, especially likethe American one they're not
good enough.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
No, go play FC Barcelona in the Spanish league
Right.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Who is probably the next best team after whoever
wins so outside of NBA, likethat's probably the best team in
the world and the Cavs beatthem by 30.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, if not more.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
It's just, it's a different, different, so now I
will say they play a verydifferent game over there.
Yeah, it's much more technical.
It's, I won't say slower,because the game of basketball
is just so fast as it is, butthey play a much more technical,
like it's not as high flying,it's it's very much more, cut
it's yeah where a little morethe old high school college way,
but at a much higher level, nbanowadays is so much pick and

(39:15):
roll, iso above the rim.
Yeah, I mean, the guys now aremore athletic than they've ever
been.
I don't think there's anyquestion about it.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
No question.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
We talked what two or three days ago.
So we have this idea we'd loveto do and it's just going to
kind of take some time to do theresearch and kind of really
come up with it, because the twodays I've been looking at it
it's going to be impossible.
It's so hard, so hard.
So we kind of want to gothrough, because there's always
the debates of you know the goatwell will and me disagree on

(39:47):
who we have is the goat.
Both those guys are in our topfive for sure.
Like that it'd be stupid not to.
But we want to go position byposition.
So point guard honestly throughlike six man, because that gets
no love.
Like six man, greatest six manof all time, never gets any love
.
And I think probably my man isgoing to be like the the easy,

(40:08):
go-to easy but, like we werelooking at point guards, the
list is so extensive.
But if we're really going totalk about any of these guys who
is the best, most talented, isthere really gonna be more than
a handful from pre-2000?

(40:28):
.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
There's not.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
I mean, the game is just so different.
These guys are so much moreathletic, so much just smarter.
It's a very different game.
So it's hard to sit there andsay again, not taking away from
what.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Dr J.
Did Dr J in this era?

Speaker 1 (40:47):
he's good, but I wouldn't call him great.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
No, Like it's just a very different he doesn't win
All-NBA first team.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
He'd be tough Like I.
He doesn't.
So again the same comment Imade the other day it's like if
those guys had time to acclimateand they were training the same
way, the guys aren't like.
But if it was literally, justtake those guys, put them in a
game, yeah, there's no shot no,I know I'll say one of the few
people that'd be like, yeah,he'd make it larry, larry, magic

(41:20):
.
Those two guys I'm like they hadthe size, they had the skill.
Like, especially larry, he's ashooter.
Yeah, like.
He's like I don't have to be asathletic.
Right, the moves I have, you'renot stopping.
Yeah, and he would tell youthat, like Larry, he's a shooter
.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeah, like he's like I don't have to be as athletic
Right, the moves I have you'renot stopping.
Yeah, and he would tell youthat I know.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
He's very clearly like hey, I'm about to do this
and you can't.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Good luck.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, good luck, so yeah.
And before the podcast we eventalked about like something as
many good point guards, so manygood ones, like one that I said
probably won't make the list butcould probably easily put it on
there Chauncey Billups, exactly.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Stephon Marbury.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Stephon Marbury, steve Francis Like there are so
many guys that so easily couldget left off these lists.
Marbury had his own shoe.
He did, he did.
I mean he was Starbury, yeah,like he was a huge star.
I think still is in China.
Yeah, like they, literally likepaid him crazy amounts of money

(42:19):
to get him over there after hisNBA career just because he
draws views?
Yes, and Chinese basketball isnot good?
No, but they love.
Outside of Yao Ming Right, likewhich still 12 is not good, no,
but they love outside of yaomingright, like which still there's
the things that he may havebeen created in a lab, like like
that's chinese typically,that's not how they are, are
built or how they play like itwas very, very different.

(42:40):
I do love, though, that storythat shack tells about yao,
where he's like played this guyfor like three years, didn't
know he could speak English,like says something to him and
he's like, oh, thank you.
And he's like hang on, yeah,you understand.
He's like, yeah, you just nevertalked to me.
He's like, he's like I've neverfelt like such a jerk like

(43:02):
which I get it I mean even todayway more which most of these
guys come and know in English,like, yeah, they about have to
in the business world.
That's such a common thing, butthere are more foreign guys now
than ever.
I won't say necessarily foreignguys, but foreign stars, like
the guys that are legitimatelytrue high level players.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
A lot of these guys are European and baseball and
basketball yeah, a lot of theseguys are European and baseball
and basketball.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yeah, and speaking of that, though, I did see Deon
Sanders.
They had they had an interviewwith him and they were talking
about you know, obviously, hisbaseball stuff and and was like
why do we not see more blackpeople in baseball?
And I'm like I never reallythought about it.
I mean, you look at really, anyof our sports dominated by

(43:52):
black athletes.
Like it just is, it's not a,it's not an opinion, that's a
fact.
Like look at the statistics, itjust is.
So his comment of why there'snot more in baseball, he's like
our culture doesn't fit baseball.
He's like girls don't likebaseball players.
He's like if you're in the hood, they want the aggression.

(44:16):
They want football players,they want that's what they go
for.
Like it's not cool to go tellyour buddies, yeah, I got a
baseball tournament this weekend.
Yeah, like no, you get made funof.
So those kids are naturally notplaying it.
I think it's the same way witha lot of sports.
Like you, you see what two,three black guys in golf, yeah,

(44:39):
which, again you know that's amuch fancier sport.
One was the greatest of all timebut other than that it's like
that's not again not a commonthing well, hockey I mean any of
those minor sports.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yeah, but also look at the cost of these sports too.
I mean baseball's turned into acountry club sport it really
slowly has.
Yeah, golf is 100 a countryclub sport that.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
So that will never be broken.
That stigma, um, it's a thingthat I think has gotten a lot
better.
Yeah, I do, but it'll neverreally break that.
No, I mean that mentality thesame way, like tennis is that
way.
You're just never going tobreak that.
And again you look at tennisthe greatest women's tennis
player of all time in SerenaWilliams and her sister Venus,

(45:27):
probably fairly high on thatlist as well.
So it's like there are theexceptions to the rule, but
typically you're not seeing muchof that and I don't think
that's going to change.
That's.
I mean, again, like dion said,it's, it's a culture thing.
Like obviously we don'tunderstand that, it's not.
We didn't grow up in thoseareas, so we're not seeing.
Yeah, you're, you're lame forplaying this sport or that sport

(45:47):
.
Like you know, neither of uswere football guys.
Love the game.
Never really enjoyed playing itoh, I hated it david played it
pretty well through high schoolbut like that's, that's it, like
he's got that, that thought ofit.
But for us it's like I love it,but I like the other side of it

(46:09):
.
I like the watching the stats.
That side it's different.
Like you talk about basketball,like yeah, I physically can't
do basketball like I used to,but I would still love to do it.
But I'm 35 now and like thosenext couple of days are going to
suck.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, like the recovery is not there, I still
play a lot.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
It's gonna suck.
Yeah, I think the recovery isnot there.
I still play a lot.
It's fun, I so I still was inmy 20s, like, even like later
20s, and then it got to thepoint with my job and then with
kids.
It's like, even if I justsomething as simple as roll an
ankle, like I can't, I can't beout playing with my kids, I
can't right do my jobfunctionally, like it just
becomes like all right, I reallyhave to be careful what I do,
which I hate.
That like.
I hate that jobs and in partsof life dictate the fun that I

(46:55):
want to have.
But unfortunately such is lifelike that's just the way it is
yeah, you'll figure that out,that'll.
That'll change one day mayberesponsibilities change.
We will see I mean well, soyour your job.
Obviously you're a teacher.
You can have a broken arm, youcan have you can have all kinds

(47:15):
of injuries and it's like, heyguys, open your book.
Yeah, well, open yourchromebook, because nobody does
anything on books anymore.
But yeah, I mean there's,there's not much that really
changes for that, but for a lotof these guys, I mean there was,
there were some guys that comein there, like straight off the
construction site, and I'm likeone guy was playing with towards

(47:36):
achilles, like dude did asphaltfor a living and I'm like what?

Speaker 2 (47:41):
are you gonna do now?
What now?
Like I drove him to thehospital.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
I'm like, are you gonna be all right?
And he's like, yeah, this willheal.
I went, no, no, like, what areyou gonna do?
Like, like, are you gonna beall right?
And he's like, yeah, this willheal.
I'm like, no, no, like, whatare you gonna do?
Like, how are you gonna live?
He's like, well, I can probablyget short-term disability.
I'm like I hope so because,like, you now can no longer do
your job.
So that's where it's like,that's when sports isn't worth

(48:04):
it anymore.
No, it's not.
Yeah, well, so that for me iswhen I got into golf, right,
because it was like physicallyon your body there's very little
, very little if you're doing itcorrectly, especially right.
Like obviously so many peoplewhen they start, are not doing
it right and they're like, oh,my back hurts, it's like it
really shouldn't.
No, it shouldn't like it really, like you really shouldn't have
those kind of issues.
So, yeah, it was the time.

(48:27):
It was like I can go play golfand it's time consuming, but
it's not physically draining orhurting me, exactly like I'm
tired afterwards, but it's morelike I was in the sun, you know,
just being active, but notbecause my body is now like
falling apart, right andespecially and you kind of get
this too playing as much as youdid into a higher level and how

(48:53):
much demand came with it.
It's like your body's seen somestuff, it's been through a lot,
so the recovery is even moreimportant now than it was.
So they preach recovery.
High school, college.
You're like I feel like amillion bucks.
I'm in the best shape I'm evergoing to be in.
I'm playing all the time.

(49:15):
It's like, yeah, I'm not soworried about ice baths and
stretching so many things I didwhen I was a kid and I'm talking
high school age.
You go out and play basketball.
I'm like I ain't stretched alick.
Just go out there and kind ofdo a little like turn, turn.
All right, we're ready, yeah.
And now I'm like gosh, I wouldhave to like really get my body

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going like first game.
It's gonna be like that littlelight jog, yeah, get you know,
kind of get the get all themuscles activated.
It's just not, and I thinkthat's hard for me is when you,
when you know what you used tobe able to do and you can't do
it anymore, it's like I don'twant to do that.
I don't want to feel like Ihave to change it so much just
to be involved, like I.
At that point I'm like I can dosomething else within the sport

(49:59):
.
Yeah, so you do.
Do you do like any men's leaguebaseball, or is that really big
in this area?
Because I know it's gotten muchbigger across the country, but
I wasn't sure about here.
Yep, just joined a team.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Did you yes for the summer.
I'm going to regret it, You'realready thinking that.
Yeah, I already know I'm goingto regret it.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Why is?

Speaker 2 (50:19):
that With baseball, specifically when I played in
college, I loved every aspect ofthe game.
Yeah, as the years went by, Ialways had to work really hard
to be a decent hitter.
Okay, that's just somethingthat didn't come naturally I had

(50:39):
to work absolutely 100 timesmore harder than I did
defensively.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Is that mentality going to come back?
Are you going to put thateffort in to be a hero?
No, I'm not, so you're justgoing to be frustrated that
you're not a good hitter and Idon't like hitting.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Okay, I got you.
All I want to do is playdefense.
I want to throw ground balls Iwant to pick, I want to do all
this stuff.
Now, what position?
I was the middle infielder,okay, gotcha, and so I love that
.
I love glove work, I love doingall that that that comes with
defense, thinking, defense,moving, being in the right place
, right when it comes to offense, I'm I would rather come up in

(51:18):
a situation to where I have tobond because at least I'm doing
something productive, you feellike?

Speaker 1 (51:23):
you were productive at that point not like I'm not
the guy that just I'm gonna beon base.
I'm this like right, let me,but let me move runners.
Like I don't care if I get out.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Like let me feel like I've done something strategic
right, and so that is the onething I know I'm not gonna love
is standing in the box again andso now line up in college.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Are you like seven, eight, nine hole?

Speaker 2 (51:44):
so I fluctuated a ton .
Uh, when I first got there as afreshman um, I was really
fortunate to play a lot.
I was a nine-hole, I wasundersized, left-handed, hitting
.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Always nice to have some lefties in the lineup.
That helps too.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
And then, as I got my sophomore year, which was the
best year I've ever had in mylife, I actually led the team in
hitting.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
We just talked about how bad your hitting is.
You're like yeah, I just ledthe team casually.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
There's a reason.
It's because I was sandwichedin between two All-Americans.
Okay, I got you.
So at the leadoff, in the threehole were two All-Americans, so
they had to pitch to me.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Yeah, you don't pitch to those guys.
Pitch to the guy that lack of abetter term, the guy that sucks
right compared to those guyslike yeah so you're getting so
much more good pitches, yes, andright, it was just a lucky year
, and then life came back tonormal.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
My junior and I hit 200 and okay and then I just you
know, ended up getting passedon.
By the time I was a senior andthey brought in a kid.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
That was better and which is college sports exactly,
it's so hard, the guys thatlegitimately play four years and
keep their spot for four years.
It's so impressive in any sportbecause it's just constant.
We are trying to recruitsomebody to take your spot.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
That's it, that's the business.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
It's what it is and you just have to understand that
.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Yeah, and so yes, men's league baseball, I play it
, We'll play it.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Is this like a Hendersonville team?
It's.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Asheville, asheville team okay, yeah, play all their
games out in Candler.
Okay, so we'll see.
I think it's going to be.
Is this like a one night a weektype deal?
Yeah, and I think it's going tobe pretty watered down, gotcha.
Something that's like kind ofeasy to manage and don't feel

(53:33):
like you have to be so likedevoted college baseball again.
Well, I think the the thing I'mhaving the hardest time with is
all these guys that won't comeout and play, that are gonna
take it way too serious.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
There's a lot but those are usually the guys that
high school will speak well, andI just like there's nothing
fast I don't know how to handleit.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Do I say something?
So I'm really bad about.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
I know I've been around you on a few things and
I've seen it.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
I will bark back.
I don't know if I don't thinkI'm in a place in my life where
I can do that, because then it'sreal.
When you're in college andyou're in high school, you're
kind of protected by this almostunseen bubble of, in a way yeah
.
I agree.
And now you know I'm out therefending for myself.

(54:14):
Someone says something to meand I bark back.
Next thing I know I could be ina really bad place.
I mean, they meet you at thetruck.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
It's different.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
It's different, like on campus.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
It's like we go back to the bus.
I go back to the clubhouse withall my boys.
It's over, it's a differentsituation.
But now it's like, becausethere's a lot of guys, that it's
not just a sport thing, right,it's not just a comment that was
made on a field or on a court,like because there's so many
things, even as an adult, peoplesay stuff and it's like, all
right, that's on the court.
Like this is in my mind.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
It ends like we we cross the baseline, it's over,
it was done over.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Like I don't, I mean people I have no issues with you
, but there are so many peoplenow that don't have that
mentality.
It is literally like yeah, nah,he said I suck, I'm gonna show
him right like he thinks I can'tswing and now I'm gonna hit my,
my bat's gonna hit histaillights, like like stupid
stuff, like that.
So I could see that you're alsonot one to just be like say

(55:09):
whatever you want, like nope,there'll be comments back, I
know.
So, yeah, I, I could see thatbeing.
Uh, I imagine getting a fewphone calls.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yeah, yeah, I definitely imagine so I'm gonna
have to come to games orsomething I know you might have
to sucks and and Vinny is on theteam too.
Oh, that'd be fun then.
Yeah, that'd be fun to haveVinny there.
Yeah, what does Vinny play?
I think he and I are both goingto play middle and field
together.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Middle and field Okay , yeah, I could see that for him
, I guess.
Yeah, he's a little taller thanme, though You're built like a
second baseman.
Yeah, thank you, I don't meanthat negatively, just
stature-wise second base justseems to fit.
It's better than being totallybuilt like a catcher though.
Very much so yes.
I can see that.

(55:58):
When it comes to baseball.
I am built like a dugout manager.
I am not the.
I loved baseball as a kid,played it and stuff.
It just didn't come asnaturally as other sports.
I could do it and I was kind oflike you.
I loved the field.

(56:19):
I played third base as a kid.
That to me was a blast Hotcorner.
I could always throw it reallywell.
I got the long throw, so thatwas fun.
But then it came to hitting.
Now I suck, this isn't fun.
But then obviously I made thetransition to tennis and it's
like the same time.
So then I was actually good attennis.
That one came way more naturalfor some reason, because that's

(56:40):
not a natural sport people don'tsay that they're just naturally
gifted tennis typically no, no,no.
But for whatever reason, thatone came much easier.
Um, I don't know why, don'tknow how, but yeah, it was kind
of like I got into that worldand it's just.
Yeah, here we are, like itwasn't, it wasn't the same

(57:02):
effort, like I could do thingswith with way less effort.
You know, played at a prettypretty high level as far as
travel tournaments and you knowthat was such a big world back
then.
I mean you, you talk aboutanything under 18.
There was probably 5 000 kidsjust in the state of north
carolina ranked like it was sucha big deal it is.

(57:24):
And, and my, my like, all theguys I played with locally, all
of us were top 500.
Right, all of us.
So I'm always playing againstthat level.
And there was two or three ofthe guys that I had no shot of
beating.
They were just that good.
My doubles partner for a whilehe actually went to Florida
State on a full ride to play.
So it's like I don't playagainst him, I practice with him

(57:47):
, but I don't play against himbecause there's no point.
He was like a three time statechampion in singles.
So I'm like, yeah, I'm good,I'll, I'll work out with you
I'll do those things, but thatwas a different level.
But yeah, I mean we'd go, we'dgo to a tournament and six of

(58:10):
the eight that were into thequarterfinals was all my team.
So it was like I know who I canbeat and who.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
I can't beat.
I know how far I'm going and Idon't have to really look at it
so that was, but that was funtimes.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
that was a lot of hard work and you look back at
it now it's like it's a lot ofhours.
For what like sports is such alot of hours?
For what Like sports is such athing Like you put so much time
and effort into it and so fewpeople actually can make it.
So it's like what do we reallydo it for?
Right?
Well, sports is a greatmetaphor for life, isn't it?

(58:44):
Confucius say he's over herebeing a philosopher tonight.
I mean his season.
He's got a lot of time to think.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
A lot of time to reflect on why?

Speaker 1 (58:57):
On the big questions of life.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Why I do the things that I do.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Well big questions of life, though.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
No, go ahead.
I can see the look.
I can see the look you go ahead.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
I'll be quiet.
No, go ahead.
I'm really good at talkingsometimes, so bring it on well.
So big questions of life.
Did you listen to the podcastfrom last week?
So I know you couldn't make it.
Yeah, you were tied up withfinal week of season.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
You know the mess that was I was actually going to
bring this up.
Yeah, what you're about tobring up okay transitioning to
good.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
So I saw in your face that there was something, and
then I was like I think it's thesame thing.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
So that's why I was trying to get you to go man, the
blue ridge, mountains.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Huh, I mean no like there's a lot here, dude, so
it's really simple though haveyou ever been over in ashville
like downtown, sadly, yes andhave done any of those like
tours that they do?
No, so they do.
They do a ghost tour.
I'm not really a ghost person,but they really.

(59:52):
It's like they go around tolike some really of the
historical stuff of downtownAsheville.
They always have like a storythat goes with it, but to me
it's it's more of the like justweird things, like how things
connect, like actual connectingto Johnson city, connecting to
johnson city, connecting to, youknow, north georgia, and I'm
like those connections are notbeing looked at and it's so

(01:00:12):
weird.
Um, but yeah, so we talkedabout it I can't remember now
like three weeks ago, like davidtalking about the helicopter
that didn't make noise, thelight that's like hey, I see it
there, but like I know it's deadquiet.
Yeah, we saw it here at therange last week while recording
I'm like you can't make that up,it was just so perfect.

(01:00:34):
I watched it come across thecell tower back here and I'm
like, huh, that's weird, becausethe light wasn't right.
It didn't have the commercialflashing lights on the side
where you have the red and thegreen.
It didn't have all the lightsthat you were.
So I have my FAA 107 for dronepilot, so like federally

(01:00:58):
certified for drone pilot stuff,so like I can even do it
commercially.
I can do all those things.
There are so many things thatare the exact same there as it
is for pilots like planes,helicopters, all those and they
talk about the lights that youwere required to to do how far,
how far they have to be visibleand all these things.
and, yeah, it's like, hey, youturn these off.

(01:01:20):
This is a huge no-no, like theywill find you crazy, crazy
amounts of money.
Yeah, so we're watching thislight come by Zero sound, and so
the hospital is just around thecorner from us.
We hear that helicopter come inAll the time, all the time.
So it's called Mama.
We hear that all the time.
It's loud but it's easy torecognize.

(01:01:43):
Well, hey, it's a helicopter,this light's coming by.
It's not a plane, because ofthe height it's very clear, like
the way this is flying.
It is not a plane.
It's not a drone that we cansee, because it's way too big,
way too big right and moving waytoo fast, but it's just dead
silent and it just.
It took me back to that wholething.
Like, dude, these mountains uphere, like there's so many weird

(01:02:07):
things and again, for both ofus, like we're not looking at
the supernatural, we're notlooking at aliens, it's like the
military stuff that they testup here, like I just want to see
it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Like I just want to know a little bit, like I know
you can't tell us.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
I know there's nothing we can do, but like I
just want to know a little bit,because that stuff is so cool, I
think these woods here hold alot of secrets, I think, way
more than people realize.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Yeah, I really, really do.
I think more than I even wantto realize.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
I don't know if it's more than I want to realize,
because I want to know a lot,because they're just so like you
got to think.
So our county is like 360square miles and we don't have
that big of a county, to behonest with you, like compared
to, like, henderson County,buncombe County, around us, like
those are way I would say, Imean, but over half over half of

(01:02:58):
ours is uninhabited forestry,right, so you're talking like
180 acres.
Yeah, it's kind of easy to hidesome stuff in that kind of
because then you think those dobutt up to Henderson, those do
butt up to South Carolina, theydo butt up to so many different
areas.
It's like, yeah, you couldreally hide something out there.
So for them to do so muchtraining that they do, I want to

(01:03:24):
know where that comes from,because it's never flying in the
angle.
Like they came from AshevilleAirport or that they even came
from our little tiny airport.
It's like they're they'retaking off from somewhere where,
like, I want to know that evenbecause, like, even most people
don't realize, dupont has alanding strip.
Yeah, like there used to be alot of stuff coming out of there

(01:03:45):
that was for service thingsthat was also used when perry
was taken down they used thatlanding strip because it was not
open to the public after hoursso nobody could be on property.
So it's way easier to come inand out and they still keep the
landing strip.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Oh yes, it is immaculate, so maintain um.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
A lot of the local law enforcement used to do
driver training on that landingstrip because of the space that
I had, because there's reallynot many great places here for
that, especially like afteracoustic, all that clothes like
all those lots are gone, so theyused to do some up there until
someone.
They didn't really give it anexact how high that went that

(01:04:28):
the order came from.
It was like yeah, you can't usethis anymore, Like we don't
need anyone having access, andit's like huh, how high did that
come up from?

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Because you always think about it.
It's weird Like we're such asmall area.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
DuPont is a state-ran forest.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
It is the highest it could go is the governor that
you know of.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
I guess, so I mean, yes, it's a state forest, but
the state is inside the country.
Well, I know, but that's howthey look at it.
It's like, yeah, you're a stateand you have control, but you
also receive federal funding.
So here's what we're going todo.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
So like there's so many ways around that,
unfortunately, it's true.
So yeah, there's no telling.
But, like I said, we are areally small area but there are
so, so many high level military,like Pentagon types that know
this area by name.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Yes, like clearly know this area by name.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Yes, Like clearly know this area by name.
Like it's not, like hey, likewhen I meet somebody in another
state or like for a vacation,we're far away and like, oh,
where are you from?
You tell them Brevard, northCarolina, and they're like yeah,
where's that South of Asheville?
45 minutes Asheville.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Oh, okay, cool, or they won't know that and you
have to say I'm like two hoursfrom Charlotte, correct Towards
Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Correct, because then they typically don't know
Charlotte because the airport,the sports teams, all the stuff
Right, and so they're like, ohokay, yeah, I kind of get it and
you're like, all right, we'rein the mountains, so we're west
of that, like okay got it, butthen.
But then you talk to somepeople and they're like oh yeah,
I've been there several timesand you're like excuse me, I

(01:06:12):
know.
Why have you been here?
So yeah, it's ratherinteresting.
And then also like we have somesenators that live here, we
have former uh governors, wehave four presidents that come
here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Current president that comes here.
Current president that comeshere.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Current president that comes here I mean, yeah, he
was here not that long ago.
He's got friends, like just upthe mountain.
It's like friends.
Why so, though?
Yeah, I know that area, like Icould see it, because it's a
very wealthy high-end area.
But yeah, I mean, we've alsohad that discussion.

(01:06:52):
We think there's way more upthere than we're told, so that
just goes to think like.
Obviously we're not the onlyplace in the country that this
is happening, no, but it stillmakes me wonder because, like it
is happening here, how much ofit is like is way deeper than
meets the eye.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Or is any of this that we're talking about even
remotely possible, or true?

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Well, so the military stuff we know is because we
literally see the militaryplanes and the training and the
personnel.
We see them here all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
But what if that's all they're doing?
Well, that's it.
What if there's nothing?
More to it.
I don't want that to be true.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
So obviously I don't want that to be true, but I just
can't imagine the amount ofstuff and the type of stuff we
see here.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
It's like you know better than I would.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
There's just so.
There's so much questionablestuff Like so if this was
overseas and the way theyoperate overseas like yeah,
obviously.
Or sea is like yeah, obviously.
Or if you're closer to an airforce base, you're closer to any
one of the bases, like you'reseeing stuff come in and out all
the time.
We're not close to any of thatno, we're not.
We're actually far away from itexactly like from any direction

(01:07:59):
you go to get to a base there'snot.
We are not close to it like youhave to make a point to come
here.
Yeah, the same thing.
Like I say, if you, if you getlost and you come here, you are
really lost because we're notclose to the interstate, really
we're not.
There's no true main highwaythat comes in.
No, we are off.
We are by ourselves, small townas you can for the most part

(01:08:23):
yeah yeah, without going uptowards, you know, mitchell and
hayesville, and right, right,but even then, like they have
interstate fairly close, exactlythey do honestly they have
interstates that are much closer.
Yeah, for us we have nothinglike the closest is 26 and
you're talking 30 minutes like,so you are not going to
accidentally end yeah so for thestuff that we see here, it's

(01:08:44):
like gosh, there's got to bemore, which has to be more, and
I know like the the thing isalways.
Well, it resembles very muchwhat's happening in, you know,
middle east and iraq and iranand in all those things it's
like, except it's a lot moregreen here it's a lot more green
here a lot more water here,like that's a desert climate, so

(01:09:05):
it's it's a little different.
So I I really don't know.
I don't either.
Sorry, I'm trying not to sneezeall over my mic because that
would just be gross.
It'd be gross.
Let me sneeze on your mic Idon't want to sneeze on.
It's disgusting.
It's better yours than mine.
That's kind of how I see it.
So no, so I think there's goingto be a few more blue ridge

(01:09:29):
stories that come up, mainlybecause I've already started
looking, because I think there'ssome research I think there's
some really interesting things.
Um, people, I mean, so I I'm.
I think it's very interestinglike you start looking at like
ancestry stuff, like where youcome from, yeah, who you're
involved with, and then toreally think about, like

(01:09:50):
obviously america, unless youare native american, you came
from somewhere.
Well, yeah, like like you werefrom some european area or you
know hispanic, not that far downthe lineage, like it, just it
just is yeah, that was like oneof the coolest things my mother

(01:10:10):
gave us was the ancestry sowhere was yours you?

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
really want to know.
Yeah, so I, I really went soyou went deep I can see that's
your personality, though I could100% see that oh yeah, so I am
a direct descendant of KingHenry from the Middle Ages.
Okay, more recently, directbloodline like straight down the

(01:10:38):
tree, patrick Henry Gotcha, andso founding father in the blood
, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
So that's cool, but we knew that going into.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
But my wife is related to Richard Simmons so
you know she's.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
So that's cool, but we knew that going into but my
wife is related to RichardSimmons, so you know she's kind
of got your beat.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
I make that joke all the time, but it's not false.
Like literally like.
It's like fairly far down theline, but I I still like, and
it's even funny that Dave is nothere and I'll say it to him too
, cause I've said it before.
But like they even talk,they're like yeah, we don't, we
don't talk about that.
Like it's a, it's very taboo tospeak about that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Well, I had a grandmother.
She she's like my eighthgrandmother was um an accused
witch in Salem Massachusettsduring Salem witch trials and
she was hung Obviously not awitch.
Not a witch.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
So again, that is such a crazy thing to me.
No, it's not.
You're only not a witch if youdie.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
And if you are.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
We're still killing you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Once you're accused, there's nothing you can do.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
No because one of the things that they would do is
they would take you up to thelake.
An accused witch, yeah, theywould tie a cinder block to your
foot.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
If you sink, you weren't a witch.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Right, but if you so, you're just dead.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
So if I die, I'm not a witch.
If I don't die, you burn me atthe stake Right, and I die Right
.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
So and for whatever reason, and you know when it
stopped.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
There's this, the guy , the governor, john Goffrey.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
He was, his wife was accused of being a witch, and
then we got a pretty good deal.
He's like you know what Enoughof this I'm done.
This is crazy.
We can't be doing this.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
What are we?

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
doing.
But even so, like that's.
That is one of those thingswhere it's like individuals are
so smart, like we have so manyso smart people, people, groups
as a whole are as dumb as theyget.
It's just human behavior Tofall into that like we really
think that that made sense,human behavior is crazy and it

(01:12:52):
took nothing.
It took nothing to accusesomebody.
No, nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
And it's like you didn't even need evidence, no,
and just thinking back to allthese events that I've witnessed
personally and that you canlook back and is dated.
The human brain is unbelievablypowerful, but we are sheep at

(01:13:17):
times.
Oh, 100%.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
I think it's a scary thing to think about when all it
takes is a mass group to dosomething and everyone's all in.
Yeah, we saw it during thehurricane.
We saw it obviously duringCOVID we in.
Yeah, we saw it during thehurricane.
We saw it obviously duringCOVID we did.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
We saw it.
Oh, we've seen it at times.
Obviously, I think in ourlifetime, COVID was the biggest
time that we saw it, y2k.
Y2k was massive.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Think about you know.
Obviously I remember Y2K Duh.
How old were you?
I remember it, so I didn't askthat.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
I said how old are you?

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
I actually don't remember it exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
I was one year old because I was getting to say
there's no way, because I was 10.
Yeah, I remember it.
So I was at two.
I was at a buddy of mine'shouse and we were just having a
big new year's party.
It was these people we all wentto church with.
So, like it was good, goodgroup parents were, I mean, they
, um, and you know, we, wedidn't understand anything.

(01:14:13):
We were 10.
So well, I was almost 10,because my birthday is january.
So nine time.
Yeah, I can remember sitting inhis uh, their little computer
room.
We turned the lights off.
Because we're like I mean ourparents, we were that age, they
were letting us stay up.
So we're like I mean ourparents, we were that age, they
were letting us stay up.
So we're like, oh, that's thecoolest thing, ever.
So like we're watching like atower, just like this, and the

(01:14:34):
light flashed and we're likewhat if that turns off?
Right, I know right.
What if these lights don't turnback on?
Because, like that's whateverybody's preaching.
Like hey, the computers don'tknow how to turn to 2000.
They are programmed.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
It's like looking back now you're like how dumb is
that, that they were programmedto go 1999 and couldn't
understand how to go farther,that everything was going to
turn off, and so you have Y2K.
I remember 2012.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
That was what?
Aztec calendar?
Or Mayan calendar, Mayancalendar.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Yeah, it's supposed to be the end of the world.
They made a movie about it.
They did.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
That's how popular it was.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
They did I remember where I was when they said that,
like at this time, that's whenthe waves were going to come
over the world.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
I was at Mass.
I'm not even Catholic.
I remember sitting there and Iwas like I was going to say.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
you just said Mass, I'm like, but you're not
Catholic.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Why were you there?

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
I was with my neighbors and I was like, maybe
I should go I was like I thinkI'm in the right place.
I think I there could be worseplaces to be than here during
this time.
Well, so, speaking of that,though, there's a theory, is
what I'll say on it that myphone lit up.

(01:15:57):
It thought I said Siri.
I was like why are you yellingat me?
So there's a theory about thepopes, because obviously we just
had a pope pass away FirstHispanic pope, or Mexican pope,
I guess it was and he justrecently passed away the popes,
because obviously we just had apope pass away, yeah, uh, first
hispanic pope or mexican pope, Iguess it was that, and he just
recently passed away.
And the theory is, is that thetheory is there's only supposed

(01:16:18):
to be one more?

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
yeah, well, he's supposed to be named john, and
after that's the end times.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Yeah, and they're saying that's basically going to
be like a four to seven yearperiod, because typically the
pope is not really there thatlong.
Again, this is very to me.
In my mind is very much likethe whole Mayan calendar, the
whole like we don't know whentimes are coming.
That's the whole point of it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
And who is saying this?

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
Because so that has been something.
Now I will say this when itcomes to the pope stuff, it's
been predicted correctly everytime for like the past, like 12.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
yeah, it's like okay, that's weird it's weird, but
you know, biblically it says butagain they were like god knows
all that they correct.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
they would correctly predict a first name and like
another, like something.
It's like no offense, but inthat religion those are pretty
common and also popes pick theirname Correct.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
If they knew this is what our prediction is, then I'm
like, well, I'm just going topick that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Well, but then you think about it too If you have
dreams of being a pope, becausethese are all cardinals that
then have to get elected.
It's a political thing morethan anything like.
It's way more political.
We saw that 100, and so ifyou're a guy that has dreams of
being it, I'm picking that name.

(01:17:42):
Go down the list like hey oh,they're probably gonna vote for
me because it's been ordainedthat.
I'm supposed to be, so it'slike yeah, why wouldn't you?

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
And we haven't had a good end times prediction in a
while.
I guess this.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
but no, not really there's not been, but I don't
think there are as many becausea lot of the stuff stopped in
2012.
And there's a couple like 15 16based on something happened.
Yeah, 15, 16 to um, butobviously then during covid we
had something, but like we'vekind of gone almost five years

(01:18:18):
and haven't really had that,like hey guys there is.
There is a moon headed for usokay and it is going to destroy
is that the asteroid or whateverthat's supposed to hit like
2027, yeah, yeah, so I I readsome on that and they're like,

(01:18:40):
hey guys, it's bad, it's gonnahit us.
There's a three percent chance.
Yeah, it's like I know, we'relike I know.
Obviously, 3% is still a goodchance because it's not zero
Right, but there's a 97% chancethat it doesn't and again you

(01:19:03):
kind of made the commentbiblically.
It doesn't In the way webelieve.
We are not going to know theend times.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
No, and you know what ?
Thank God.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Yeah, I, I, that is definitely something people
shouldn't know.
No, Like hey, on this day, onthis year, at this time it's
over.
Yeah Well, so for some peopleit would be good.
For most people wouldn't be,because there's some people that
would live very differently ifthey knew, but there'd be a lot
of people that would live acertain way for a certain amount

(01:19:37):
of time and then right beforethey get right, yeah yeah, which
again that's.
That's no better, but no, soyou're.
But you're right, we haven'thad a true like I'm kind of
ready.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
hey guys, this is an guys, this is an end time.
Where are they at?
Let's go, let's talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Well, so there's been the rumors of like we're going
to have another, basicallyplague of some type we're going
to have, and it's like.
All right, you guys alreadytried that, I did.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
I don't.
I'm a reader that is basicallyclaiming that we started COVID
in the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
I don't think there's any question to that in my mind
, and it started in NorthCarolina.
In North Carolina really.
So I always imagined Atlanta,because that's where the CDC is,
yeah, headquarters.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
So like that to me just makes sense it started at a
university towards the middleof the state that, um, you know,
I'm not gonna lie to you, I'mnot surprised.
Oh gosh, here we go.
I'm not surprised it wouldstart here.
Yeah, um, I don't know who theylet walk their halls as

(01:20:50):
students or professors, and youknow, it makes so much sense,
just keep going.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
No, just keep going.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
The article reads this is such a predictable
article that coronavirus startedat Chapel hill with their
researchers.
However, the first outbreak wasin 2015, but because coach k
won a national championship, itstopped.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
It stopped coronavirus.
That was the antidote.
So, if so, what you're sayingis because duke failed to
continue winning championships.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
That's why it happened people act like winning
is so easy.
Do you know how hard winning?

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
is oh my gosh yes, I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
And you know what this is such a good segue?
Oh gosh, here we go To talkingabout us as fans, as parents, as
coaches.
Even we take winning forgranted much that we value every

(01:21:57):
season.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
And the higher the level gets, the harder that gets
.
Yeah, without a doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
We put all of our value into winning and, man, it
is so hard to win basketballgames, it's so hard to win
football games.
It's so hard to win basketballgames.
It's so hard to win footballgames, it's so hard to win
baseball games.
And I think that we as asociety need to do a better job
of just understanding that it'sso, so here's.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Here's what I propose .
Okay, you still got time towork on this.
You're only 21.
So, yeah, what 26, 7?
Yes, when you turn 27?
October.
I see you got it, so you stillhave time for this.
All right, you feel verystrongly about this.
I can tell Like it's going tobe your lifelong passion.

(01:22:49):
At this point, it is up to youto change it.
I'm going to put that on you soeither you've got to figure out
how to get Listen.
I'm 35.
Technically I'm eligible to bepresident, but I didn't start
early enough, so I don't havethe following.
You got time.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
To run for president.
Is this what you're trying toget?

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
No, I'm not, not president I'm just thinking
politically, you think I?

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
could I appreciate that I didn't say I'd vote for
you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
I just said you should start now to see if you
can fool some people in votingfor you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
I think I could.
Maybe I should start a life inpolitics you know what?
No, I can't, I would not I wasactually thinking about this
earlier.
I was like, do you know how I?
I can't envision politicians.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
I can't wrap my head around them as people, almost
like they don't seem real theyfeel very, very far removed from
humanity yes like why are wethe life that they live is not
the life that we, as normal,everyday people, are living very
far removed?

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
from humanity, yes, like the life that they live is
not the life that we as normal,everyday people are living.
I think it is comical,absolutely comical, that we, as
humans on a planet, we losefriends, we lose jobs Over
political affiliations.
Over politics of Americandemocracy.
That blows my mind.
What are we doing?

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
That blows my mind.
Yeah, like, what on earth arewe doing?
Like the fact that, if you sayso, like for me, I am basically
classified as independent.
I am basically classified asindependent.
I lean way more Republicanbecause anti-abortion I can

(01:24:38):
never get behind that one.
So, regardless of what is saidNow, I'm not saying I'm
full-blown as far as you can get, but that's the one thing.
I'm never going to waver onperiod as you shouldn't like,
that's just, it's, it's nevergoing to happen.
No, so that's where I'm alwaysgoing to be considered.

(01:25:00):
I'm more conservative, morerepublican than I am anything
because of that alone.
But the fact that if you tellmost people that it's an
immediate well, you're a chumper, you're this, you're that, and
it's like no, I just don'tbelieve in murder Like it's a

(01:25:20):
pretty simple, simple thought,like it doesn't have to be just
cause you are and I mean, I havesome friends, and it's not many
, because typically you don'thave friends across party lines,
which is such a weird thing,but I have some friends that are
literally registered democrats,but it is like, as borderline

(01:25:42):
as borderline gets, yeah, it'snot for neither of us like, and
the reason we can get alongbecause neither of us.
And the reason we can get alongis because neither of us are so
far in one direction.
Because right now it is led byextremes on both sides which we
knew we were going to see whatwe're getting now, like
everybody's surprised at whatwe're seeing now.
It's like no, this is exactlywhat was going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
It feels like we're trending back to the middle,
though now.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
I think it has to.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Well, I mean, I just think it has to well, I mean, I
mean, I just think it has to, if, if it didn't, then this
country's crumbling.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
We're about that mark 250, you know what I mean.
Like yeah, that's typicallywhere you see, you know
so-called great societies.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
I think that number is actually skewed.
Yeah, I mean, I agree, becausethey factor in the Holy Roman
Empire into that number and Idon't think that that is a fair
estimate of empires.
Hre was just different and youtake that out.

(01:26:46):
I think the average lifespanwas something like 110.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
Really yeah.
So we're well past that already.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
Now, the founding fathers actually didn't believe
that this country would last aslong as it has.
There's many journal entriesfrom founding fathers.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
How do you though realistically?
Well, I mean, yeah, there'smany journal entries from.
How do you though,realistically, you found
something like that, which wasso radical at the time, to be
like, hey, this is going to lastwe're doing our own thing.
When you're like fullyfinancially backed by a country
or countries and it's like wedon't want you anymore, we're
going to do our own thing alsoeasier because of the distance.

(01:27:30):
Yeah, Like I think a lot ofpeople take that for granted
it's like it was much easier forus to pull away because it
wasn't like we were next door.
You had months worth of travelto get over here.
Yeah, exactly Like at the timeit wasn't like you hop on a jet
and you fly over.
You know, see in six hours.
It was like we're starting ourway.

(01:27:50):
See you in three months, orhopefully.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Yeah, I know, I was gonna say or maybe we won't see
right, because that was thething like that was a
treacherous trip.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
I mean, I can't imagine um that trip in in that
era, like I had a family memberon it, the Mayflower.
Nice, see my family came overlater.
We are Irish.
Yeah, so, from what we can besttell, during the potato famine,

(01:28:21):
when most of the Irish cameover, that was about the time,
but it was literally like ourirish did not go through the
cities, literally like settledin the mountains of north
carolina, because then, likethere's this tiny little
percentage that is like native,it's like that's such a weird,
weird thing to have weird, likeliterally like we left ireland

(01:28:46):
and we're in the mountains ofwestern North Carolina, just by
happenstance.
That's not a they didn't knowwhere that was, it's kind of
where they just ended up.
Yeah, probably couldn't travelany farther.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
No, or whatever it was.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
So that's where I attribute and I've always kind
of thought it had to besomething like that.
But I have so much red hair,especially in the summer, it
really will get very much red inmy beard and in my head, which
now a lot of that's turningwhite because I feel like an old
man, my hair's white too.
I feel like that happensearlier now too.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
People getting white hair.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
Yeah, I think it's happening earlier in life than
it used to.
I think the stressors of ourlife is way more than what they
were 60, 70 years ago.
It is why I think that I don'thave this whole like.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
I was going to say are we about to go down some?
No, I literally just think it'slike.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
I mean, you think about literally we talked
earlier the stressor of havingso much information at hand.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
It's really difficult , man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
Everything you have like is a stressor now.
So it's very, very different,which is why I think the same
thing you have so many peoplestruggling with, with anxieties,
depression, like at that thing,like how could you more?
Like it doesn't even meananything.
Yeah, it's like.
Well, everybody's like, is thatreally anything?
Because everybody's got theseissues?
Yeah, so it's really hard to tolook at it that way, and I
think that contributes a lot.

(01:30:13):
I mean, screens are horrible,horrible for your eyes, horrible
for your your mind.
Like then the fact we keep a,we keep it in our pocket like
guys, it's like all right.
So when does the cancer in myleg start?

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
There's so many, I don't even want to go back to
that topic.
That's just too.
I know it's too much.
It's such a hard thing as youpick up your phone.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
As I pick up my phone .

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
You just naturally you do it, you don't even think
about it anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Yeah, I don't I don't even think about it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
What was?
Um, it's like a little slide.
See, my first was a flip phone.
Yeah, I had like a.
It was a samsung.
Yeah, like a little flip phone,because I remember going to the
mall, a little kiosk, andbuying a new face plate for it.
That slid on, yeah, and Ithought that was the coolest
thing in the world.
And looking back now I'm likegosh, that was like fisher price
, like that was a piece of junk.
Yeah, like, again, somehowwe've managed to talk about this

(01:31:14):
like four weeks in a row.
It's 2025 and I thought aboutthis today.
The service here today,especially verizon, was horrible
.
I lost connection so many times.
Our Our card reader at therange.
It went down like two or threetimes a day.

(01:31:34):
It runs off horizon like cellservice Awful, we can't get cell
service here.
But then all the claims ofthings that we have done
throughout, throughout time yeah, primarily the moon landing.
Yeah, get out of here.
We, we live landing.
Yeah, get out of here.
We had live feed.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Get out of here.
Also Go ahead sorry, no goahead.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
You're deep in a thought right now.
You go with it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
I don't think dinosaurs were real.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
Ooh, so what are we finding?

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
nothing, nothing fossils.
What even is that?

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
no, but I mean like, because that's what so many
scientists like.
Have we found bones?
They say it's fossilized boneswhatever well.
So my thought on that is haveyou ever seen like a hippo skull
?
They did the whole.
Have you ever seen like a hipposkull?
They did the whole thing.
It was like just a hippo skulland they're like we're going to
use our technology and recreatewhat we think that looks like

(01:32:38):
and they make this thing andit's like this beast of a like
scary, scary looking creatureand they're like.
But here's what it actually isand it's this hippo.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
And you're like in my mind.
I'm immediately like we have noclue.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
What even is science?
Oh gosh, Science is human made.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
And humans have error , yeah, and we're wrong a lot.
I mean, unless you want tostart.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
I mean people are saying so it depends on where it
came from though, cause if yougo back to, like, the tower of
Babel, where that was given,there was a lot of science,
technology given by divinecreatures that shouldn't have
had technology to give, but theydid so.
If any of that's still around,technically that would be we

(01:33:38):
shouldn't have it.
It's very advanced against godfor us to have it, but, yes, it
would be way high level, right,yeah, yeah, so trusting the
science is such a hard thingbecause it's like and again
you'll see that as a trust thescience when it comes to a
vaccine, but then trust, trustthe science when it comes to to

(01:34:01):
abortion, then trust the scienceabout global war, and it's like
you have all these things andit's like we only use that when
it's something supercontroversial, right, that's
where that comes in, right?
That to me is more marketingthan anything.
Yes, so I see what you'resaying with it.
So my thought going back to,like the hippo, because fat,

(01:34:23):
muscle cartilage doesn't stayaround, those things deteriorate
.
The only thing that technicallywould stay is bones.
We don't know what thesecreatures look like or even
remotely look like, because thiswhole oh, here's the T-Rex

(01:34:43):
we're saying it's this absolutekilling machine, muscle, nothing
but, and it's like it could bethis fat thing that moves around
that couldn't do anything.
Yeah, like maybe it was ascavenger, like there's so many
little things.
It's like we're really making alot of assumptions.
Yes, we are People making theseassumptions have such a I'm

(01:35:04):
right, you're wrong, don'tquestion it.
It's like why are you right?
What makes you right in this?
Because you studied, but whatmade those people right?
That taught you?
I'm saying it's such a weirdrabbit hole to go down because
it's so questionable, butthere's so many people that
don't question things like that.
It's literally.
They told us this, that's whatit is.

(01:35:25):
Okay, they told us this, that'swhat it is.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
Okay, man, I'm just telling you we like to believe
everything our government hastold us.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
My dad couldn't tell us the truth about everything
when we were growing up.
What makes you think thegovernment is going to tell 6
billion people the truth abouteverything?
Yeah, where are we losing itwhere our spouses or our, our
teachers or whoever right bossesdon't tell us the truth?

(01:36:03):
What makes you think that thisdude sitting in an oval office
is going to just be all of asudden honest, ab Abe Well?

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
that's the thing, and that's not even talking about
this president.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
It's every president.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
It's every bit of government.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
So were we losing that?
That we're just mindlesslyfollowing and mindlessly just
saying yes.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
We're so far removed, though, from our original
government.
We're so far removed from whatthe republic was supposed to be.
Yeah, because that was.
I mean, they designed that tobe a very small-scale government
, which, again, they weredesigning for a much smaller
country too.
I will say that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
Big governments for the birds.

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
So we knew the government had to grow Just
because the size of the countrygrew.
Nationally it's going to grow,but it didn't have to grow to
what it is Like.
There was a guy I was talkingto the other day and he's like,
well, big government's bad, butwe have to have it.
And I was like we really don'thave to.
We have to have government.
Yes, I don't think there's aquestion about that.
You have to have government.
You don't have to have biggovernment.

(01:37:05):
Doesn't work in any country.
It's just it's corrupt, likethere's too many moving parts,
you can't keep track of anything.

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
Yeah, so like when we were buying $2,000 toilet seats
with military spending andIraqi war.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
Right, well, but that's, but that's little things
, well, and we saw this a fewyears ago and I, you know, I
think Nancy Pelosi is crazy.
She's psychotic woman.
She's spending half a milliondollars a year on liquor on her
private jet.
It's like who's paying for that?
Right, we are, we're, we are,because she, salary wise,

(01:37:47):
doesn't make anywhere near that.
So, but then that that leadsinto the whole, like the stock
market moves that they makebefore anybody else knows.
It's like, hey, that's insidertrading, yeah, but we don't do
anything because it's like, oh,they're government, right?
No, it's still wrong.
It's still wrong, like I don'tcare who does it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
Well, Phil Nicholson got yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
Yeah, yeah, he's not government though, no.
God Phil, he's so polarizingthough I love him, the amount of
money he's lost gambling.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
I know it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
He's lost more gambling in his life than I will
ever see.
Yeah, like not ever seen.
Yes, yeah, which blows my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
Me too the amount of millions.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
They would bet Literally millions, like over a
six hole span.
It's crazy.
Like I so typically what wealways do, go play golf you get
to a par three every $1,000,close to the pin gets it.
Typically there's four on around of golf.
I know the most I can lose is$4.

(01:38:52):
So I'm like and even then I'mlike, man, that sucks.
Yeah, I lost with four bucks.
I can't imagine Cause I mean Iknow guys they play like $20 a
hole yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
And I'm like why?
Where are you getting thatmoney from?
Yeah, because sure I would loveto win it, love to win it.
Sure as heck don't want to loseit.
Exactly, I'm like I don't knowwhat I would do if I lost it.
Right, I don't have thatdisposable like that.
But I mean a good buddy of mineI was talking to today, like
the amount of money and timethey spend in a casino, like

(01:39:30):
they love it.
That's just something theyenjoy doing.
He's won thousands uponthousands of dollars.
But I'm like what have you lost?
There's so much that you'velost.
Don't get me wrong.
I've talked to him about histhoughts on how he does it and
he does it pretty well.
He's like for me, I treat it as, instead of going to a show,
I'm going to have fun.
That's my entertainment.
I take whatever amount ofdollars I've decided that's all

(01:39:53):
I got.
So I either make or lose basedoff of that.
And he's like if I win, thatcovers that, that goes back in.
So now I'm out zero.
Now I play on anything plus.
I'm like alright, that's smart.
So like, yes, you probably losta ton of money, but you lost it
as, basically, I went to a show, right, like that was my

(01:40:15):
entertainment for the night,right, I'm like all right,
that's a smart way of doing it.
99 people don't do it that way.
They are at the atm a hundredtimes that night.
And I mean he was telling mehe's like there's a game when
you first walk in.
It's like a wheel of fortunetype thing.
It's a hundred dollars per spin, like.

(01:40:37):
I saw the look on your facewhen I said that you're like
about to faint, I know a hundreddollars per spin yeah and he's
like when we walk in, we alwayssee people on it.
he's like we sat there when wefirst walked in, hadn't even
like gone in to get like reallycash in or anything.
He's like when we walk in, wealways see people on it.
He's like we sat there when wefirst walked in and hadn't even
gone in to get really cash in oranything.
He's like these guys probablydid eight spins, didn't win
anything, and I'm like that's$800.

(01:41:00):
Immediately Just gone, no way.
I'm sitting there thinking, allright, well, who am I calling
to pay my mortgage this month?
Like seriously, that's that'scrazy.
Yeah, no way.
And that's that's another thing.
Like how to?
How did we make casinos such athing?
I don't know, because theamount of money they move is

(01:41:20):
crazy.
Crazy because you think aboutlike, oh, there's such and such
one, tens of thousands, cool,good for them.
Tens of thousands of peoplejust lost tens of thousands, so
it's like they have so muchcoming in and out.
The amount of money that movesin our country, though, as a
whole, is just, you think aboutjust our business.

(01:41:43):
Here we were talking about someof the budget stuff, like the
stuff that's moved in the pastfive days.
It's crazy In such a small area, and you're like think of a
place 10 times our size.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
Like I know that blows my mind.
No, I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
Money that can move as quickly as it does, cause I
mean you think about it like youget paid, it feels like it's
gone before it hits your account.
Oh, gone before it hit youraccount oh it is, it's like what
like?
What the heck like?
Why I?
I just, I want my money butit's not there so yeah, I mean,

(01:42:20):
I don't know, we've been alittle, a little everywhere we
have been but um, so one, onefinal thing.
You went to dinosaurs and thattook me a different direction.
But I was thinking because Iwas thinking about the whole
moon landing thing I wasthinking about how obsessed not
just our country but our worldis with space.
Does that bother you at allthat we're so like we want to

(01:42:45):
know what's out there?

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
Yeah, it does bother, me, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
What bothers me the most is we don't know what's out
there.
Yeah, it does bother me.
I think what bothers me themost is we don't know what's
here.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
I mean the ocean's only been like 30% discovered,
If that yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
Like literally, I was waiting on you to show up
tonight.
I'm just kind of scrolling, youknow, mindlessly like we do,
and there's this guy that jumpsoff of a.
Obviously I can tell it's afake video.
Yeah 100%.
No doubt about it.
He jumps off of it's like 30foot of a platform into the
ocean and I'm already thinkinglike nope, Nope, Nope.

(01:43:19):
And they've edited this reelreally well, so like it flows
well as soon as it hits thewater, there's a great white
sitting in front of him.
I'm like I will have nightmares?

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
No, there's no way.

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
I'm just thinking like I was telling you about the
story from a podcast this pastweek I listened to.
They were talking about thediscovery of a giant octopus and
they're like, hey, like theybelieve this is why people were
talking about like the krakenand all these things yeah, I've
seen that.
Yeah, it's like, hey, theseoctopus could potentially be
like tentacles, a hundred feet,like the, the main head body

(01:43:54):
portion, like the size of schoolbuses.
It's like that's hard to fathom.
So when everybody talks aboutlike bigfoot and loch ness and
and all these things because youknow, especially loch ness,
that's a lake, like it's a muchsmaller area I have a way easier
time thinking of something thatexists, like still the fact
that a megalodon is around likea full grown one there,

(01:44:18):
definitely is that there arestill plenty of giant squid,
that there are some super freakystuff in the ocean that we
don't even know what it lookslike, because not even that Like
the areas that we so-called sayis discovered.
These things move and can movequickly in very vast distances,
so it's like, and they have thesenses in the water, so anything

(01:44:38):
that they sense it's like, yeah, I'm just not coming near you,
right?
And it's all the time we'relike, hey, we discovered a new
species of something that wenever knew was there, exactly.
And this happens literally allthe time, all the time.
so I'm like I'm, I'm to thepoint, like, all right, I don't
care about space, because Ireally don't like as a whole,
like space now I think and youmade this comment, the more I

(01:45:02):
thought about it I'm like, yeah,probably so we go to space
because it almost feels safer.
I know like we obviously haveno control up there and it's
obviously not a safe space, butit feels safer than some of the
stuff of going down does,because I mean you start talking
like mariana's trench thepressure, the, the cold, like

(01:45:23):
there's so many things.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
It's like those people that died.
What lives down there?

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
right, like there's so many things that live in
areas of the ocean that werelike, oh, nothing could live
there, and then we find aspecies of something it's like
yeah, if that's there, thatmeans there's a food source
there exactly that means therecould be plenty of bigger stuff
there exactly so that that's tome the ocean.
It's like the fact that beachesare as popular as they are and
people don't think like I'm noteven talking about like sharks

(01:45:50):
the size of jaws, like near theland.
But if you've watched thatmovie, how do you not have that
in your mind?
I know, I know, I agree, likethat is terrifying.
It's terrifying Because all thetime like, oh, I saw a reel
about a month ago.
Off the coast of North Carolinathere's a like 15-foot great

(01:46:11):
white and I'm like Guess who'snot going to those beaches.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
I'll stay in the mountains, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
Like I'm good he can't get me here.
No, I mean all short ofSharknado.
Like I'm good, I don't have toworry about that, I know, but
that's I mean, that is likegreat, why is?
no, I've said it on here outsideof like killer whale Cause
obviously killer whale like wealways.
We talk about great whites likeno.
Killer whales top Like they.
They play with the sharks Likethey, they control it, but they

(01:46:40):
also don't hold much threat tohuman Like they could if they
wanted to.
They just don't really Sharksmuch more.
That's what you hear about.
So it's like, yeah, that's theone that's coming to get us,
yeah, when in reality they don'twant us either.
But it's like Food's food manExactly.
And we aren't in control, andthat's what bothers me, like
being in deep water, like me.

(01:47:07):
Like being in deep water likenow, what, like, what are you
gonna do?
yeah, so any story you hear oflike shipwrecks or plane crashes
in the ocean my worst that theysurvive, that they're found and
I'm like like how how thiswhole tiny life raft for like
seven days out in the middle ofthe ocean and like the amount of
stuff that had to come be likewho's that Right?

(01:47:28):
Like.
But like not even anything atpredator wise like dolphin whale
turtle, like there shouldn't beanything out here, Like that's
weird and I know this is goingto draw you to like, uh, bermuda
triangle stuff, cause we, wekind of had a little bit of that
discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
I want to discuss that, so I'm going to get your
take on that next week.

Speaker 1 (01:47:48):
I don't want to go to it this week because that will
probably turn into a longdiscussion because there's so
much weird stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
Well, I need to do a little bit more research.
I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
But again, there's so many things that's here that to
me feels easier to look at thanspace Like it.
To me it's way easier to launcha boat or the submarine
technology that we have than itis a rocket.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:48:14):
And, in my mind, way cheaper way cheaper I mean you
saw the whole, uh, blue origin.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
Like this whole, like , oh, all these women.
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
No, don't care, You're not astronauts.

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
You didn't fly, you weren't the crew, you were a
passenger, exactly Like.
That's very dumb to me.
But the amount of money thatcost to send them up there for
10 minutes, like start to finish10 minutes, not even like we
sent you there for a week andyou came back.
I could have more thoughts onit if you were there longer, but

(01:48:49):
the fact that it was like wewent up there and came right
back down Millions of dollarsspent.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
Who signs up for that ?

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
Rich people.
I don't know, I will never havethat kind of money to really
have to care about those kind ofthings.
Maybe either I will never havethat kind of money to really
have to care about those kind ofthings Me either.
I'm not a lottery player.
Would love to win it, but youcan't win if you don't play.
I mean barring some crazysomething happening coming into
a lot of money, that's nothappening for me.
I mean not those kind of numbersLike they won't release how

(01:49:19):
much that actually costs, butthe low ball is $500,000 a
ticket.
That's the low ball and to methat seems way too cheap.
Way too cheap for somethinglike that Way too cheap, yeah,
so it's believed to be muchhigher like north of like one
and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
Yeah, per person.

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
That's crazy.
Like you have that kind ofdisposable.
You could do so much more withthat money.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
You could change a lot of people's lives with that
money.
Yeah, you could change thisguy's life in Brevard, north
Carolina.
It really needs it.
They could just use 1.5 mil.

Speaker 1 (01:49:56):
So you think about what you make now, not asking
don't need you to tell menothing like that, trying to
make me upset.
No, but it's so.
I had this thought and it'sit's like kind of depressing in
a way, when I first started myprevious previous employment.
And they're like all right,barring any any you know pay,
raises, any you know cost ofliving stuff like your number

(01:50:18):
stays the same.
30 year career, which istypical in those type of
employment jobs yeah, doesn'teven equal a million.
And then you think aboutathletes, not even like your
high level ones, who make thatlike you're like low level guys

(01:50:43):
making three times that in ayear and it's like man, like the
workers that literally keep thethe country running.
That's not where the money is,so there's not that kind of pay.
Yeah, and it's just business,unfortunately, like it sucks,
but it's just the way it is,went pro in something other than

(01:51:05):
sports yeah, I remember thosecommercials.
I know NCAA did them.
Most collegiate athletes go proin things other than sports but
of course, on the commercialit's all like surgeons and
lawyers, these high level jobs,half these people getting

(01:51:25):
communications degrees that arelike working at burger king,
like that it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
That's not how it works it could have been you.

Speaker 1 (01:51:33):
I mean, you could have been a burger king, except
I was closed down, I know well,maybe you could have saved them.

Speaker 2 (01:51:39):
yeah, I probably make about the same amount of money
as I am now.
You might make more.
I know I hate to say that, butyou might.

Speaker 1 (01:51:48):
I'm fading, I can tell.
So next week we'll probablyhave some Blue Ridge Mountain
stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
Because I'm already like yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:59):
I'm already going.

Speaker 1 (01:52:00):
I've been very intrigued in some of the little
stuff that I found already.
I think there could be someinteresting stuff, but I also
want to look like, like I said,I have a hard time with like the
whole Bigfoot and the wholething, but there are some
stories of some like localcreatures that I'm like yeah, I
kind of want to look into thosetoo, just because it's it's here
supposedly here, supposedlyhere, I like it.

(01:52:21):
I mean now what we're told rightnow, the only like predatorial
thing we have is coyote bobcat.
There are still plenty ofpeople that believe mountain
lions are here.
They are here.
There's plenty of people thatsay they're not.
The state says they're not.
Yeah, but I have proof.
I'm not questioning you, I'mjust saying that's what a lot of

(01:52:43):
people say.
Well, uh, I mean, there'splenty of people that are like
no, we, we've seen them.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
We see them fairly often, like dupont has montreal
cameras all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
Here's a mountain lion sunbathing on the rock well
, that wasn't actually here, ifyou really look at it.
Yeah well, the sun, this wasactually colorado.
Like that's what happens.
Like that's the facebookcomments at it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
Yeah, the sun, this was actually colorado.
Like that's what happens, likethat's the facebook comments
like it's the stupid stuff, butwhat we're told.

Speaker 1 (01:53:08):
Like I said, yeah, bobcat, coyote, wolves are on
the way, like we all know that,like they're all around us.
Yeah, like wolves are on theway, like they bring them on,
they'll follow the food, justthe way it is, which, again,
there are so many deer aroundhere.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
Don't go to my house.

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
We don't have to worry about them much.
Yeah, like it's not going to bea human threat because of the
amount of deer that we have.
Like it's outrageous.
Like I'm okay if they take afew.
Like I've almost hit one likethree times this week I'm sure,
like going home and it's likearound this one corner I bet

(01:53:45):
here comes a couple.
So I'm okay if they take a fewof those, but with that I think
that's going to be it for theweek.

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
Next week should have David back barring any crazy
sickness, unless we get a ton ofcomments that say we don't need
david no more listen.

Speaker 1 (01:54:07):
I already know of one email that's coming in.
Yeah, will's mom.
Oh, it's so much better that mybaby gets to talk more.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
Yeah just give it more screen time, like I'm
listen, I'm already in hot water.

Speaker 1 (01:54:17):
She already doesn't like me like I'm not getting a
Christmas card.
I'm not getting invited tobirthdays.
I've come to terms with it overthis past week.

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
I get it.
It's a small list of peoplethat make that cut.
I'm definitely on that list.

Speaker 1 (01:54:33):
I'm on the list of you getting nothing.
I'm not even getting theprayers at this point.
I'm off of every list.
Sometimes I don't get theprayers.
Depends on how well you act.
Yeah, did you clean your room?
All right, I got you.
So, yeah, I fully expect she'sgoing to be so much better, like
, go ahead and get rid of theother guy.

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:54:55):
Like I don't even think she knows my name at this
point no, probably not, but andshe definitely is going to be
like, yeah, will could do it byhimself.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
I might get that suggestion.
You should just start your own.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
Start it up, man, just don't call me to edit.

Speaker 2 (01:55:10):
I got to do as much as it is.
I don't want to do more.

Speaker 1 (01:55:17):
That's too time consuming.
But, as always, thanks everyonefor joining the mess craziness
that we are and the fun that wehave with it.
And, as always, if you havesuggestions, please tell us.
Find your nearest trash can andput it in there.
No, I'm just kidding.
We love to hear from you guyslike Facebook, instagram, email,
carrier, pigeon, I don't care.

(01:55:39):
Like, if you want to reach outto us, do it.
Like.
We love the comments.
We love the potential talkingpoints.
You know we've gotten a fewfrom people like hey, what's
your thought on this?
And it's like I'm probablygonna bring that up to the guys
Cause like that's interesting,so why not?
So, yeah, anybody that's gotanything like we, we love to see
it.
So, um, and you know, kind ofmoving forward, if you give us a

(01:56:02):
topic, I will gladly shout youout because, like, I think
that's a cool thing.
If, if you're willing to kindof take your time, like, hey, I
want to reach out and see ifthey want to talk about this,
like I'm going to say hey,thanks to such and such for
giving us this idea, becausethat, that, to me, is, I'm
appreciative, that you'rewilling to kind of take your
time and give us, give thoughts.
But, as always, thanks forbeing with us and we'll see you

(01:56:27):
next week.

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