From Bubble Teams to Bracket Busters: Who Will Surprise Us in March?

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watching Xavier Texas, which,honestly, the score feels closer
than what the game is.
Xavier's not looked good.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Last play in game.
For what?
11th seed or whatever it is,don't start.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
I knew why you said it.
I was trying to get it going,but let's go right into that,
okay, because we've got an 11play in game, let's do it.
We had a really big one lastnight because there's so going
around all day today is, youknow they they're like, oh, but
we shouldn't be here, watch thisyeah and it's a picture of, you

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know, the dream team from the90s.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
I mean, that's what you want if you're the, you know
the great coach they have yourplayers just wasn't good enough
oh my gosh, you're on onealready.
You're starting really on it'sthis great coach and the players
just weren't getting it done.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
I'm just here, so I don't get fined.
All right, we get to this topic.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
The players weren't getting it done and then they
almost didn't get in.
Everybody's mad and the playerssaid okay, fine, we're going to
show you.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
So I'll say this RJ Davis came to play for the first
game all year.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
It felt like that's the first time all year we've
seen him just shoot.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
I mean that's the best time if you're going to do
it.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Agreed?
Yeah, because you lose.
Now it's over.
There's no more games, it's it.
Once you're in the NCAAtournament, they don't call you
to come to the crown out inVegas.
You're not getting that phonecall.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Put your fandom aside .

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Oh, fandom aside Should I have been very hard on
them all year.
The problem is, when you lookthey're a 20 plus win team, they
don't really have any reallybad losses, but they also don't
have any really good wins either.
That's what I think everybody'sarguing is that's the key.

(05:21):
They've only beat two teams inthe tournament and one of those
those is also in a play-in forthe 16th team.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
I think they were what 1-13 against squad one wins
, or something like that.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
So I understood the argument against them.
But then if you're going totake them out, you've got to put
somebody in.
And who's more important to putin?
Because the argument then goesto West Virginia, indiana, ohio
State kind of that range andit's well we beat such and such,

(05:50):
we beat such and such.
You know, west virginia saidwell, we beat kansas, we beat
ohio state, but look who youlost to.
Also, you didn't like youmentioned.
They didn't get to 20 wins.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
One of them was 17 and 15, I think, or something
like that so you're barely over500 I have a hard time putting a
team in the in unless they winthe conference championship.
If you don't have 20 wins, yeah, that's hard to.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
All three of them lost in either the first round
or the second round of theirconference tournament.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, ohio State was first round, indiana was second
round.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, so for those two it's like that's hard.
I think West Virginia wassecond round, maybe.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
That's a really hard thing for me to say.
Well, you didn't go far in amuch easier tournament.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Mm-hmm, and yet you want to go to this tournament
and I know it's a little.
It's a little differentbasketball because you have a
lot more teams that get in, butwe made the argument with
football and it's kind of thesame argument.
If you don't want to be in thatposition, first of all don't be
on the bubble, and it helps youa ton.
Yeah, let's win more.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
I mean there's 64 teams.
It sounds so simple.
It's like we'll just be better,but ultimately you just got to
win games, okay.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
We're taking oh sorry , I said 60.
We're taking 68 teams.
Yeah, there's 68 teams.
Just be like 60th and you'refine.
There's no question.
No, so there's two things.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Don't show up all season and win your conference
tournament.
Yeah, or that's the other thing.
Or get to 22, 23, three wins ina big conference, and they
can't deny you yeah, we saidthat with football we'll go in
your conference tournament oryour conference championship,
you're guaranteed it.
I mean, you're in, there's noargument, nothing so everybody's
got the same ability.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
And we said the other day what I think, we said 32
conferences, I think, like that,yeah, so so basically half the
field's already guaranteed.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
It is.
So if you want to be guaranteed, just go win the tournament.
That's that's.
The hard part is you get a teamlike West Virginia who is
trying to make this argument tothe point that they've got the
governor wanting to investigatethe NCAA.
That's silly and I'm like we'retalking sports, Like guys chill
out.
It's not that real.
I understand you want your teamthere and you're proud of them

(07:41):
and you want to do this, butthat's just getting a little
ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
I guess that is a hit against the community.
As far as financially, maybeMaybe you'd bring in some
revenue.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
But it's not football .
The thing is like basketballdoesn't make the same revenue
football does, so you're notgetting the same numbers.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
You're not playing at home either.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
No, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Obviously, the school loses these first four games,
which it's stupid to call themthe first four, like either the
tournament started or it hasn'tlike figure that out.
The first four is in ohio, sothe only like basically xavier's
playing a home game basicallythey're right there.
None of the other teams aregetting any good revenue from
that like no, that's so, I don'tknow why.
The coach for his resume it'swell we made the tournament.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
You know, because a lot of a lot of smaller teams or
not super successful long-termteams gauge, if we make the
tournament, we've done great so,looking at it, when I first saw
north carolina got in because II was so excited to watch it
and I had to be at a softballpractice and I was going to
record it and I forgot.
And so I got home home thatnight and I was like, oh yeah, I
forgot.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Well, yeah, but then I texted you and I was like hey,
we're up by 40.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
This isn't a game.
Oh, you did yes.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Like what is going on here.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
But I saw North Carolina was in and I mean it
was like, oh no who did?

Speaker 1 (09:06):
they leave out the first four also, so I was like
other play.
Okay, I'm fine.
So texas and texas xavier sandiego state and carolina were
all on the same boat, do you?

Speaker 2 (09:10):
think they were that last four.
Carolina only made it becausehow well they did in the
tournament and I know they stillgot beaten.
What the semifinals?

Speaker 1 (09:17):
they lost in the semifinals to duke yeah to duke
and they played them again,honestly, other than the withers
kid doing a lane violation, notas the shooter, which I can't
figure out what he's trying todo.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
I don't know either.
I told you I kind of felt badfor the kid, I don't.
He was ready to sink, I'm likesend him home.
He doesn't need to be here,right now, that would have took
it to overtime.
I don't know if they would havewon still.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Momentum-wise, though , that's big Like for a team
like that to be like.
All right, we're still here.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
They were down 21.
21 at halftime, 21 at half.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
So to make it to overtime is a huge deal in that
point Because momentum-wiseyou're thinking we clawed our
way back and we didn't give up.
At the end we got here.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
I still think it's funny.
That's tough On the podcastlast week conferences who help a
team get further than theyshould to get them in the
tournament and all of a suddenbut I don't think that's what
happened with this, because ifyou look, if you look, if they
would have beat duke and thenended up winning the conference
championship to where they'reguaranteed in, I could say maybe

(10:17):
okay.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
But I said but the teams that they beat was teams
they've already beat this year.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
So, like some of them , multiple times- but my
argument was you don't like makethem win, but you put them in
the game and give them a chance.
Okay, they're down21-and-a-half.
Duke's best player is hurt.
All of a sudden they're back init and if the guy doesn't do
lane violations, they might havewon.
Well, because he hit the freethrow to tie it so maybe they
did set it up for them to winand the guy just I don't know

(10:45):
what he was doing.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
That, to me, is a hard part.
I didn't get to watch much ofthe second half, unfortunately.
So that's what I wanted towatch first half, and I watched
second half, didn't really get achance to watch as much as I
would like to, and I'm notsaying this is what happened,
but there are many, many gamesthat are blowouts, that all of a
sudden get close, becauseofficiating makes a huge shift.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
It does.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
And again, I'm not saying that's what happened in
this game, but it's just, you dosee that quite a bit, where
officials get lax and all of asudden it's really physical and
the team that likes thephysicality is like hey, we're
right here.
And for Duke, a team thatdoesn't have, arguably, one of
the best players in the country,it's a much different rotation.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
I'm not going to sit here and say Cooper Flagg was
out because they're helpingNorth Carolina get in like that.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
But when I first heard it.
If you watch the game that hegets hurt, he was out because he
got hurt, but when I firstheard it, I remembered what we
said on the podcast and I waslike, yep, here we go.
Yes, and I do see that.
So my argument that I had saidtwo, three, four weeks ago I
can't remember if Carolina winsout, except losing to Duke at

(12:01):
the end of the season and makesit three rounds deep or more
therein.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, you did say that that was the statement I
made and that seemed to work,and that's exactly what happened
.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
That worked, but if you really look at the last
portion of their season, theyweren't even close.
Every game they played was a20-point game against teams they
should be beating by 20.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
The only game they lost was duke, which was kind of
expected in your mind.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Was there anybody that stuck out, that kind of got
the wrong end of the deal?

Speaker 1 (12:30):
because I've got one that sticks out my mind as far
as ranking as far as like a yeah, they're not making it.
Well, either way, I have to say100 louisville, louisville
that's who I was gonna say too.
So if you look at the sec,which the SEC right now getting
14 teams in unheard of.
Oh, that was crazy so we'venever had conferences this big,
so you couldn't get that many inbefore.

(12:51):
A lot of the conferences usedto be 12 teams.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
There's only two left out.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
But 14 of 16 getting in is absolutely absurd.
But you look at some of thoseand it's like not even as good
of a record and those guys areat three and four in Louisville.
Who's beat all the teams?
They should beat everybody thatwas in their path, the
exception of you know.
I think Clemson wants Duke andit's like, hey, you get an eight

(13:18):
.
It's a little if I'm notmistaken.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Every team like in the final ranking of like top 10
was like one, two.
I'm mistaken.
Every team in the final rankingof top 10 was like 1, 2, 3, and
they're 8.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, everybody was like a 1, 2, or 3, and they were
an 8.
Yes, that to me is the one thatstuck out.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Now I will say they did them a favor.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Oh, they got the best 8 possible.
So, I don't know if you saw ifthey win this first round.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
The second round is played.
Well, both rounds, but theywould play in Lexington,
kentucky, which is 65 miles fromLouisville.
It's down the road.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
There's not much of a travel.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
It's Auburn, right, they'd play.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
But I do also think they got the best number one.
I do think the South is notsuper difficult.
I think as you get middle ofthe pack in the South, it's kind
of just so-so.
I think as you get middle ofthe pack in the south, it's kind
of just so-so.
I think Michigan State's a goodteam.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
I think Iowa State's solid, even though Louisville
got Auburn, they did Auburn nofavors.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
If they play Louisville, it's going to be a
home game for Louisville, nothey did Auburn no favors, but
at the same time they didn'treally do Louisville because,
honestly, creighton's a goodteam.
Creighton's got a seven-footer.
That's tough.
It's going to be interesting,and I've fooled around with
brackets, just messed around.
We've got the big one going onfor you golf, the group one that

(14:34):
we're giving away some prizesfor.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, you need to get in on that, but it's kind of
interesting.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
I started clicking through some and I'm like I
could go a hundred differentways here, like this season's
just been so wild.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
This year?
I don't know, I don't know whatto do?

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Louisville could upset Auburn Very especially
with it, like you said, beingwhere it's at.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
It's effectively a home game.
It's right down the road.
I don't personally think theydo.
I think I actually have Auburnin my final four, but it's very
possible.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
I haven't filled out a bracket yet, just been busy.
And then we've got these firstfour games going on and so we'll
get that out of the way tonightand I'll do some brackets.
But yeah, I don't know.
You know you never want to golike with the one seed usually
because some of them get knockedoff, typically Right, but this
is a year that the ones arepretty good, so they are.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
But if you also look at the 8-9s that they would play
round two, they're pretty goodtoo.
So this is the year that I'msitting here looking at You've
got Auburn and Florida, thefirst one.
I'm looking on the South andthe West.
You win round one.
You play either Louisville orCreighton, two solid teams.
Creighton's played really wellagainst UConn this year.

(15:45):
They played really well againstSt John's.
They played really well prettymuch against everybody they've
played.
But then you go down to Florida.
You win.
You get either UConn orOklahoma.
So they either get a conferencegame so there's plenty of film,
you know what they're going todo or you get a UConn team
that's won back-to-back nationalchampionships.
That's still like.
Those guys know how to be there.
I'm not saying they're greatthis year, but they know how to

(16:06):
be there.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
That's still the thing I want to see is the SEC.
I want to see what they do.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
The biggest thing that's hurting the SEC is they
got 14 in and you can onlyspread them out so much.
Oh, they're going to hit eachother at some point.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
I mean again does all 14 win first round or does 10
or 12?
You know, to me, if 10 winstheir first round game, I feel
that's a success.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
I think it depends on who they play, because there's
some of them.
I mean, obviously every yearyou look, there's four quadrants
.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
There's always one that everybody deems well that's
the easy quadrant, like it'sjust the way it is.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
But for any, I just kind of want to see where it's
at, because you look at, okay,if old miss wins against a
carolina team that just playedfantastic last night, if they
play half as good as that andold miss can beat them, okay
they're dangerous yeah, butnorth carolina hasn't been that
all year, so which northcarolina team's gonna show?
Up.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
They've shown up like that maybe two or three times
all year for one conference,though, to have even just have
10 teams in the second round Idon't care who they played like
that's pretty, uh pretty goodaccomplishment I I'm still not
sold on them.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
I think it really helps that sec has really good
partnership with espn.
Yeah, I think that goes a longways, and I said I'll say for
football too, I don't think it'sjust basketball.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
What is more likely?
Okay, 10 teams move on to roundtwo at the SEC, or seven, or
let's put the over under.
Where's the over under at Eight?

Speaker 1 (17:38):
No, I think.
I honestly think we're closerto five.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
To the second round.
Yeah, okay Just because you gotto look at where they're at
Okay, historically, 11 beating asix pretty common.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
12 beating a five pretty common 13 beating a four
pretty common.
They're all in those really bad, dangerous spots.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
So right now you give me the over-under SEC teams in
the second round.
Over-under six.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Well, so you wouldn't do it at six.
It'd be either five and a halfor six and a half.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
That's just where they would throw it.
Five and a half, then.
Since you said five, you'regoing under.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
I think I would take the under on that.
Okay, I'm going over.
I really do, because you've gotto look at Georgia plays
Gonzaga Gonzaga's tough andthey're playing really good
right now.
I don't know that they can winthat game yeah you've got an
oklahoma team that doesn't knowhow to play in the tournament
because they haven't been thereplaying a yukon team against a
coach that's won the last two,I'm gonna say we get eight or

(18:33):
more in the second round I justthink that's gonna be really
tough looking at who they'replaying.
Texas a&m has a trap game.
They play Yale.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
I get it, but Nobody's watched the Yale game
all year.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
I believe in the SEC.
I really do.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Now maybe not 14 teams, but that top 8 Well, I
believe, depending on whathappens here, they may not even
have 14.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Well, that's true.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
They gotta play in game Just to get that 14th Into
the draw.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
I agree with that, but I think the top 10 or so I
believe are legit 8 to 10.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
I've not been sold all year though, Like I told you
, that middle of the pack of theSEC I don't think is any better
than anybody else.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, Like their middle of the pack.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
I don't think is better than Louisville or
Clemson.
We had the same In ACC or IowaState.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, but you're talking top two and three in ACC
versus the middle of.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
SEC.
But if you look at the ACC thisyear those are middle of the
pack teams other than Duke.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
The good thing is that's we could sit here and
everybody's doing it.
We can argue about SEC all yearbut, but what's great about
basketball?
We get to see it.
We did not get to see a fullsample in football good thing,
because they all got beat but weonly got a couple in.
I would still argue the bestones didn't get in.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
The one that that everybody's like oh you know
they're gonna be tough honestlydidn't stand a chance because
they played a high state I agree, tennessee and then like I
don't think it mattered whoplayed them at that point, I
think they were lost yep, butthe other ones like but for the
most part, didn't look good.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
good, it's going to make it fun.
You know I heard an argument.
You know a lot of people arethat's a lot of older crowd, I
think that's against NIL andthey're getting ready to pass
the law where the schools aregoing to take over.
It don't have to be from adifferent thing.
Correct and people are againstit, but I heard an argument that

(20:25):
that's what's made basketballso good this year, because it's
spread out talent.
And they might be right.
I mean because it's been prettygood.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
I'm excited for it.
I'm not against the NIL, I'mjust against the way that we
currently do it.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Well, that's where.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
I don't have a problem with the kids making
money.
I don't have a problem.
I mean, here's the thing thesekids, whether it's football,
baseball, whatever sport it maybe.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
They are making just a school millions upon millions,
upon millions of dollars.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
They have been for years.
They are making the NCAAmillions upon millions, upon
millions of dollars.
I don't like the NCAA.
I don't think they're a goodorganization.
I don't think they do a goodjob at running really anything.
You know, they have thesethings that they impose these
rules, and they impose these,these rules, and they impose all
these things and I'm like, allright, well, these are rules
that you made, that you wereimposing two years ago that now

(21:11):
they don't count because nil,like well, that's stupid, like
well.
That's where I know times havechanged, but it just it's such a
we're gonna do what we wanttype thing and they have no
governing body over top of themwell.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Well, that's where this giving it to the schools
instead of these separateorganizations to do NIL I think
it's going to be better.
Let the schools pay them.
You can again.
We've talked about contractsand all that.
I think it actually cleans itup.
I did too.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
I mean really, I think it's a better idea.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
The NCAA says they want that too, because they can
regulate it better.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
And that might be true because it's coming through
the schools now instead of justrandom people giving money
whenever.
Well, I would say yeah.
For me, I think, when youreally look at if the school
takes it, it's easier to getaccess to all the trail of money
.
It's easier to see why did thismoney get shifted, why did you
know some it's?
To me it's a little bit easierto see the oddities.
It's where, if it's an outsidething kind of whatever you want
still, yeah, it's just saying,hey, it's almost allowed to do
whatever you want instead so Iagree with it.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Do you think that's played a part in college
basketball being the way it isthis year?

Speaker 1 (22:14):
I think it's played a part for the past several years
.
Yeah, um, there's no reason for, like we said, you will never
see a team like Cal Perry puttogether with Wall and Cousins,
and I mean they were sendingbench guys.
I mean, daniel Orton made it tothe NBA as a first-round pick,

(22:36):
kid barely played.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
I know.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
And not that he wasn't good.
I mean, he didn't make it inthe NBA, which you know fine, a
lot of people don't.
But you will never see thatagain.
I don't feel.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Well, especially if they make a cap.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
A kid like that is going to just go take more money
to go start somewhere else.
Yeah, if they make a cap, likethey're saying they're going to
do, I don't think you're goingto see deep teams because
there's still guys thatdeveloped late and they went to
you know some JUCO and allthey're like, wait, where did
this kid come from?
And you just kind of missed it,because development's a tricky
thing.
That to me is such a hard job,that recruiting trail, where

(23:12):
your job counts on getting theseguys in and then they have to
produce.
They got to produce but you'reputting your.
I mean it's like a lottery.
I mean it's an 18-year-old kidthat you're hoping comes in and
doesn't act stupid and Some ofthese scouts are good.
Oh, they are, Trust me, they are.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
They can see talent in somebody that we don't think
is good.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
You look at some of these teams that will pick up
guys, you're like, why, whywould you get him?
And he gets there and you'relike, oh, okay, that's why you
see that in football a lot oh,football way more like guys that
get completely overlooked andthen all of a sudden they're

(23:51):
stars.
Or you'll get a guy that comesin as like a one star.
Next thing you know hetransfers to a power five and
he's putting up numbers thatyou're like well, how did we
miss it?
And and I'll say this becauseI've been talking to will about
some baseball recruiting stuffhere recently and he talks about
, well, brevard, baseball gotsome good players, but they
don't get looked at because one,where we are, yeah, it's a
small town, but then two, theyjust don't have that heritage of
it.
But you go over to TC, which isAsheville, right up the road,

(24:17):
they have nine kids going D1this year and he's like, it's
not that they're just a top teamin the country, but they have
that pedigree that everybodywants a TC kid because of their
work ethic.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
That's where they've come from, they build it so much
.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Apparently, those kids play baseball together from
day one and it's like you'renot allowed to go play somewhere
else.
We're going to play traveltogether, we're going to play
season together and we jumpright back in.
So it's just all they know iseach other and playing.
And I mean TC's produced pros.
I mean they've put several guysin the pros that have done well
.
So it's just a lot of.

(24:52):
It sometimes depends on whereyou're at why we're seeing more
kids move through high schoolthan we used to see.
I mean you'll have kidstransferring or going to a
fifth-year prep school orwhatever it may be, because then
they're going to get noticed.
So it's very different.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yeah, it's.
You know from high school.
Well, I mean, all kids arestarting even earlier ages.
Now I said I'm doing travelball with 12 of you, right?

Speaker 1 (25:14):
now We've done 10 of you last year.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, exactly, you know, like these kids and the
level of talent you see at thisage.
It's nuts, it's crazy, butthey're starting so much younger
, they're building this programso much younger, like you said,
they're staying together.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Well, but we talked about that one day too Pretty
sure it was off podcast.
But in sports especially and Ithink it's really with all kinds
of skills, but in sportsespecially they are starting so
much younger, on a bigger scale.
Not that we weren't playingthose sports when we were kids,
but not to the scale that thekids are now.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
No, and if you want to play as you get older, you
have to start young.
You've got to start now andyou've got to take it serious.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Very.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
When I was a kid, if you were 10 years old.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
You just had fun with it.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
I don't necessarily like that I just feel like
you're.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
It's not, that's kind of my thought.
As far as being a kid, becausetoo many of them.
It may not even be what the kidwants to do, because it's the
parent like I'm going to pushthem to this and they're going
to work hard and they're goingto do this and then all of a
sudden get to high school,college, and they're not doing
that and they don't really haveany other skills I worry about
burnout.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Oh, 100%, you know being in something my daughter
loves it, and we're doing LittleLeague and she still has a
little bit of time in that andwe're doing travel ball.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
But I also know she just came out of basketball
season.
She did.
But the thing is, as long asyou're doing other things, the
burnout isn't as likely to me inmy thought, because me growing
up I played a sport.
Every season I had something,so obviously I had my things
that I really tried to perfectand tried to be best at, but it

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was all about having somethingdifferent.
Just keeps you from feelinglike my entire life surrounds
this one thing.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
A lot of college coaches say that's what they
want.
They want kids who play severalsports.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
They want well-rounded people.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
yeah, but at the same time.
You can't be as talented if youdon't focus on one or two main
sports, so it's a little toughright now so to me like playing
a sport every season.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
I was playing two sports basically year round, and
I would throw in a third duringthat season.
Basically that was the onlytime off I had, whether it was
weather issues or whatever, butthen you'd be inside, you'd it's
still your workout, you'restill keeping your lungs the
right way, you're still.
You know all those things.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
But wind's picking up .
The wind is picking up strong.
It's about to blow me away.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
But I do think, though, you've got to have some
diversity.
It's really hard to you know,all my life, all I've ever done
like for your daughter, all mylife, all I've ever done Like
for your daughter, all my life,all I've ever done is softball.
Mess up your shoulder.
Now what?
Like you don't even haveanything else you can do for the
fun of it.
For me it's hard.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
I loved football and that's all I focused on when I
was a kid and then I got hurt inhigh school and I was kind of
done and I look back so I ran agreat track, you know uh runner
Till you got the state.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
I know the story.
No, no.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
I mean, we did decent at state.
We wasn't great or nothing, butum.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
But that again preface that's a tough state to
do it in from the area you livein and then all of a sudden
you're going against theLexington and Louisville kids.
Yeah, a little different.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Well, not me, but the thing was like we we won our
region and and lots that.
I won tons of races but Ididn't care about it.
So I done it one year and quitbecause all I want to do is
football yeah, if you're not, ifyou're not invested, it's just
like what am I doing?
No, but then I look back nowand it's like, man, I wish I'd
played a little bit of this youshould have done more.
Yeah, I should have done more,just for the fun of it, nothing
else.
Then I wonder how would I havebeen at that sport?
I look back and go.
You know I bet I could havedone that sport pretty good, but

(28:47):
it just wasn't on my mind.
I didn't care about it.
I was focused and locked in onone thing, and so I could see
where that's an issue.
But again, the way you start soyoung, you're behind.
If you're not all in onsomething Like you can do some
other things with it, but yougot to be all in on something
well.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
So here's the thing I played two sports in college.
I was very, very fortunate Idon't I don't take that for
granted like to be able to havemade it to the level I did,
which is very, very small, butto be able to make it there, and
I was much, much better at onesport but I didn't care for it
the same.
Yeah, it's kind of like justwhat you're saying.
Like it, like you have to loveit.
Decent at basketball.

(29:25):
I was not a great basketballplayer, like I was good enough
to make it there, but basketballhas just always been the thing.
So playing tennis I mean theamount of time I devoted to
tennis was unreal.
I mean I didn't have fourthperiod at school so I could go
work with a coach and play.
Like that's literally all wedid was travel in tournaments
and all those things, and Iloved it, but not like I love

(29:45):
basketball.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
That's it so I could just never.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
I could never really devote myself to that level.
And so then when all of asudden you know had a shoulder
injury in college and kind of,both of those things were gone,
it's like, well, crap, now what?
Now what?
Like I've put so much time andeffort and again I don't look
back like I'm upset that I putall that time and effort because
I have so many great memoriesfrom just travel tournaments or

(30:09):
traveling to tennis tournamentsin South Carolina, and I mean
there's one I can remember Iwent to and it was supposed to
be like 50 or 60 degrees, itturned out to be 40, with 30
mile an hour winds and it wasfreezing, I'd be like, yeah, I'm
going home guys.
We literally had to go to themall and buy clothes Cause I had
shorts and shorts and t-shirtsand then all of a sudden it's
like I need pants and a jacket,like it was.

(30:30):
It was horrible, but I mean Ihave a lot of just.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I don't play sports in that way, so I don't.
Yeah, it was freezing most ofthe time we played football,
yeah, football that's what youwant in that sport.
I wasn't far up north, but Iwas further than I am now.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Oh, much more.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, much more, and it was cold, but it's something
about it.
I didn't care, I mean, I wasjust you know.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
But even during football season, like when it
gets to that weather, you'relike ooh, it's football weather.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, something about it, the nice sunny.
We don't want the wind, we wantto enjoy the, the surrounding,
that's.
You know you did a little bittoo.
You know I got to to play alittle bit of football here for
years ago.
And again, as much I hate thecold weather, it does not bother
me if I'm playing the same,what?
The same as long as I'm playingfootball, I don't care.
That's the only thing I'm goingto do in the cold.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Anything else don't come talk to me, yeah I mean
we've had the discussion like,hey, hey, I'm going to go play
in a couple days and you'realready looking at the weather.
It says 50.
I'm like, yeah, but it's goingto get to like low 60s.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Do I have to wear pants?
That's always your question.
Do I need to wear pants?
And if the answer is yes,you're a no, If it's warm enough
in the morning that I can startin shorts and I'll be a little
chilly, but it's gonna warm up.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
I'm okay, I can play, but what did you see?

Speaker 2 (31:51):
the the thing.
I sent you a ryan earlier.
No, on facebook.
No, I don't know what you saidyou gotta miss it.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
You gotta go look at it, because it was it literally,
was I see this and I'm thinkingof you.
Actually, I think I was drivinghere, not the video I sent you?
Oh, not that one, that one Ijust sent to you this one I sent
in our group message.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
You know I did notice tonight I timed it up a little
bit better because I had to gofigure more softball practice
tonight.
But I got here and everythingwas kind of mostly set up.
I was like, oh, this is so nice.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
This is funny that you said that, because I
literally was sitting herethinking I'm going to leave it
and make him do it.
Yeah, but now I mean it'sYou're going to see me pull in.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
I'm going to see if it's not up yet and I'm going to
turn around and go back down.
This setup is so much easier.
Oh, it is.
This mic setup is so much goingto drive around the block Just
wait, You'll get here like anhour later.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
It's still not set up .
Like at this point I'm going tohave to get up there and like
turn it away Like I can't lethim see that it's not up yet.
Or I'm just going to like throwthe bag and be like we'll start
when you set it.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
I'm not even touching it this week.
Dang it.
No, thought that's how it was.
I just show up.
Well, I thought my presence wasenough, but I guess not gosh
this is the worst part you'regonna look up here in a minute
and I'm gonna be like tumblingover there across the grass with
this way.
Don't take this wrong, but youain't asking I knew, I knew he
was gonna have a fat joke.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
I mean, listen, I'm not a small guy, so I'm not
sitting here saying that aboutmyself.
But I mean, come on, let's be alittle bit real.
Here round is a shape.
I didn't say you weren't ashape, I just said you, you're
not that small is what I wassaying listen, vertically
challenged does not mean thatyou're also listen 100 pounds

(33:36):
vertically, verticallychallenged.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
That's a.
That's a fact, jack, I don'tlook at it as a challenge
reaching high places.
That's a challenge I'm okay youcan only jump, so as I get
older and more out of shape.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
I don't have to reach as far down to get stuff, see,
so it helps out you have areaching down and the issue you
gotta get a ladder to get to thetop of the refrigerator like
that's, that's a problem hey,you don't put stuff on top of
the refrigerator well, I feellike every time I come over
Haley's like you see anything upthere.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Because I can look, I can see.
Yeah, it's just easy, don'thave to worry about it.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
It's less to clean.
You don't even know what's upthere All right.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
So going back to college basketball real quick.
Do you have anybody?
We've seen what a lot of itlooks like.
Is there anybody that standsout to you that that could be
the upset that we see first?

Speaker 2 (34:27):

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Oh, dear Lord, you are useless.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
You are useless.
No, I haven't done a bracketyet.
So do you think it's somebody?
I think is going to win?

Speaker 1 (34:39):
No, I think somebody that you think is on upset alert
.
Oh, upset alert Like a higherseed that you're like, I just
don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Clearly I did not listen to your question.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
You don't listen to anything, and I'm the one that
can't hear, but you just don'tlisten.
That's the difference.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
It's been a long day.
Upset alert, upset alert.
I don't know what do youconsider upset?
They got to be pretty high seed.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
I mean anything that's not 8-9, I kind of see as
an upset.
I mean 8-9 is the only one.
That's not an upset to me.
You're basically the same.
You could switch them and youwouldn't even know.
But I mean you've got 5-12,4-13.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
To me Okay, let's see what you got.
I think Wisconsin could be indanger.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Wisconsin played really good the past couple of
games in their conferencetournament but didn't really
look great all year, and theyplay a Montana team in that 14-3
, which is always that's a scaryspot to be.
We've seen a lot of thoseupsets.
I don't really feel the sameway about Iowa State, lipscomb,
but I do feel that way.

(35:45):
Wisconsin and Montana, and thenmy other one that kind of stood
out to me was Liberty Oregon.
That's.
That's really the two that I'vekind of been thinking about um.
Liberty is when Liberty makes atournament.
They are typically a bunch ofjuniors and seniors that just
know how to play basketball.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
I can think about right now is the Liberty Mutual
commercial.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Where are you?

Speaker 2 (36:10):
I'm off today.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Like we're on basketball and next thing we're
talking about you know who knowswhat.
It's a mess tonight.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
No, you see what I got to work with.
So you want a first roundepisode.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, I mean, who do you think in your mind is
somebody that really stands out,that could get beat?
I mean VCU.
Byu is another one, but that6-11,.
We start to get closer.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
I don't know, because this year I don't feel like.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
I'll have to give you homework for next week.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
No, I'm just Nobody's standing out.
That's why I had to look again,because nobody comes to mind.
I mean, Robert Morris beatKentucky a few years ago.
Can they knock off Alabama?
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
I don't think they listen.
Alabama could be in the FinalFour.
They're one of those teams thatif they get hot shooting, they
could be in the Final Four.
I've said it before for Alabamathey play hard-nosed defense.
Nato's is fantastic.
If they're hitting from deepthey could be dangerous.
That's pretty much it.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
I'm sure there's going to be a few, because there
always is, but I'm going to sayright now, I think there's less
upsets this year than normal.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
I think we might see more, Do you?
I'm just not.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
I'm looking at the bracket like not first round.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
But the talent pool is so much more spread out, yeah
.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
I agree with that, but looking at that bracket, I'm
just not seeing it Well.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
so I'll say this too, though I know for a fact I
watch more basketball than mostpeople.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
I'm sure you watch more I've.
I didn't even know they existed, so some of that comes to play
Now.
I'll be the first one to sayI've not watched the L play,
Yale Tech's A&M, you know, at14-3.
Nobody's watching Ivy Leaguebasketball.
Some of the old prints andstuff with the back cuts and
things were fun, but Ivy Leaguebasketball anymore, not really.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
I was even trying to look at, you know, the higher
seeds and like, okay, who do Isee that's like vulnerable.
Like you know they've got someweaknesses.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Like a 10-7,.
Are you not picking your SECVanderbilt over St Mary?

Speaker 2 (38:13):
But is that an upset 10-7?

Speaker 1 (38:15):
To me.
You start to get upset whenyou've got a double figure over
a single.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
I mean, okay, if you're going to get into that,
yeah, I would agree with thatone To me.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
The only one that I don't see as an upset is an 8-9.
Outside of that, I still feellike it is a little bit of an
upset, yeah.
But, now St Mary's has beenranked pretty much all season,
made it to their conferencechampionship, lost to Gonzaga,
which I feel like they do everyyear because you know, I agree

(38:43):
with 8-9, but I think Louisvilleshouldn't have been an 8.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
So if Creighton beats them, I think that's a pretty
good upset.
Even though it's it's, I dothink that.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Louisville shouldn't be an 8.
The other 8-9s feel more like8-9s where you've got UConn,
oklahoma, gonzaga, georgia, likethat does feel much more 8-9
than than Louisville being that,but at the same time Creighton
could probably argue that theyshouldn't be a nine.
I mean they've had a reallygood year.
But I'll also say this Clemsonand McNeese State that one could

(39:14):
happen too.
So I think if Clemson's notused to being in the tournament,
they don't usually make it.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
The biggest one I see is if North Carolina plays like
they did and they come out andbeat Iowa State.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
I think it is no, they play Ole Miss.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Or Ole Miss.
Sorry, Ole Miss.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
If they come out and beat Ole Miss, that could be a
good one, the other one buthere's the thing right now.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Carolina's the 11th seed.
They're a one and a half pointfavorite.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Are they.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Yeah, it's the only one right now that I believe is
a lower seed is the favorite.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
The other one that stuck out to me, and every time
I've looked at the bracket Ithought the same thing.
I could see John Calipari,Arkansas, beating Kansas.
I really could, because I don'tthink Kansas is that great.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
We talked about this like two days ago.
Kansas was like number one.
I don't know what happened tothem.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Do you think they fell off, or was they never as
good as we thought?

Speaker 1 (40:07):
I didn't see them as number one worthy early on, but
at one point they were alsoplaying that I was like I don't
know that anybody can beat them,and then they just completely
fell off.
I mean teams that they lost tothis year.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
You're like I don't think Kansas ever lost to them
when I see that I have to thinkit's a team chemistry thing or
something Like over the year.
They're just not.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Well, there's one in particular.
You know that I don't like.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Oh, I don't like him either.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Hunter Dickinson I've never been a fan of.
I think he's got a great skillset.
I don't know that he reallyfits a Kansas style offense,
because they usually have somesmaller bigs that they kind of
play a little more stretch withand he's a much more back to
basket feed them down low.
He's just that kind of guywhich doesn't translate to the
NBA anymore.
So I don't know.

(40:56):
You're right, I do thinkArkansas could upset Kansas but
at the same time, if we seeKansas from the first three
games of the season, they couldwin it.
They could.
You don't know what you'regoing to get.
So that, to me, is where Ithink we could definitely see
more upsets because, again, thetalent pool, because of NIL, is

(41:17):
so much more stretched.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Like the teams aren't as deep as they used to be.
They still have some depth, butyou don't have another three
and four star sitting in thewings.
You've got, you know, just goodballplayers.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
I know you say eight, nine is not one, but another
one who I think is a better teamprobably than the ranked.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
I think Georgia could knock off Gonzaga.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
How many times has Georgia been in the tournament
in the last like five years?
Oh no, I agree, but they're oneof those.
They're going to play veryphysical and it's probably gonna
depend on what the officialsallow, because so.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
I do.
I do agree.
I think Georgia is a veryphysical team.
But the problem for Georgia isyou don't have a coach's plate.
That's coached much in thetournament.
Mark Few's been there a lot.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
He's been there a lot there a lot, a lot.
But I don't think Gonzaga isquite as good as years past, but
I still think they're probablybetter than A-seed they were
another top five team and thenthey became unranked for a good
portion of the later half of theseason.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
So, yeah, I don't think this is the Gonzaga that
was in the national championshipa few years ago or that we are
seeing.
Historically Well, gonzaga'sgoing to be number one to number
four pretty much all season,because typically they're a
number one through three seed.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
This is a low seed for them.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
To get an eight's.
A little bit different Georgiamay, but it's a physical team
that I don't see scoring a tonof points.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
No, they're not.
They're going to try to keep itlow scoring game.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
It's really going to depend.
Gonzaga comes out, hits someshots, Georgia gets behind.
Feel like they've got to comeback.
I think it's going to become arunning gun.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
I think like a lot of games and I can tell you I feel
like this in a minute.
But it's going to be what theofficials allow.
If they allow a physical game,georgia's going to be able to be
in it.
If they don't, they're going toget ran out of the gym.
And I will tell you and thisain't just my team I've watched
so many games this year and havethe same thought.
I do not like college officialsin college basketball.

(43:11):
They're so inconsistent.
They're all over the place.
They're making guest calls.
Half the time they're wrong.
I feel like you can look atreplays and stuff and tell
they're not fouls.
It's gotten to where ESPNannouncers are calling them out
nonstop in games saying, well,that wasn't a foul or this was,
or what are they doing?
It's getting annoying.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
I almost don't feel that.
That's college basketballofficials.
I think it's all.
I think fans are just kind ofgetting tired of officials in
literally every sport.
We are Because we said the samething when we were talking
about the playoffs and collegefootball.
It's like the referees are justso inconsistent or you don't
know what is the like, what ispass interference at that point,
what is targeting, what is?

(43:53):
And the same thing withbasketball is you know, one
second, guys drive down, he getstackled and they're you know
they're waving him up and thenext time you touch his shorts
and it's a foul.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Or the ones that get me is it looks like he hit his
arm or something and so theycall it.
But you go look at the replayand he never even got close to
touching him, and it's just oneof those.
Well, they kind of think he did, so let's call the foul.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
And unfortunately that's in every level of
basketball, because we've seenit a bunch, especially in the
NBA, more so for stars thananybody.
But to me that's just more badpositioning and that's something
you could fix.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
That's a fixable thing Is the speed and talent of
the game growing faster thanthe officials can keep up.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Are they?

Speaker 2 (44:40):
not keeping up with the game.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
No, because you look at especially college officials,
they've gotten way younger.
College officials across theboard are a much younger age
than they used to be.
A lot of those older guys.
I think it's just more of aninexperience They've got to do
something, I think also it'sjust some of, like I said, I
think it's some inexperience,but I also think it's just some
of bad positioning.

(45:03):
Like if you, if you were at thebad or wrong position, a guy
looks like he got hit on theelbow on a jump shot.
But if you are in yourquadrants, the way you're
supposed to be, and reallywatching the position that you
were supposed to be watching,because you know there's only
three on the court buteverything gets cut into into
sections.
They're supposed to be incertain spots for a certain
reason and too many times.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Again, I'm not saying I'd be a good official, I know
I'd be bad because I want to get, I want to watch the game oh, I
did too many times, I feel likeofficial gets kind of stuck
watching a game and then youalmost have to make a call
because you feel like somethinghappened, but you really weren't
there, you weren't reallypresent on what should have been
looked at, I heard a comment,if I remember this correctly I
don't remember who it was, itmight have been Jay Billis or
Jimmy Dykes or somebody on oneof the games, and I think the

(45:50):
way he worded it was officialswatch the defender, I think, if
I remember correctly, and theygo from there and that's why you
see a lot more calls ondefenders than offensive fouls
and stuff like that, which Iguess I get a little bit.
But I'm to the point.
If we need to add a fourth, ifwe need to add a fifth, I don't
care, let's do something to makeit better.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
I'm not against, necessarily, if they feel you
have to add, but at the sametime I also don't want it to
slow the game down so much thateverything then becomes a foul
To me.
I'm more on the side of I likethe more physical play than I do
the ticky-tack fouls.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
I don't care which way they go, I just want them to
all do the same, and in bothhalves.
That's what I want and that'sthe problem they have.
So that's where, I wonder, isit training?
I?

Speaker 1 (46:35):
don't know that it's going to all be the same,
because across the board, thingsare viewed differently.
Things are, across the board,things are viewed differently,
things are, you know, whatever.
But the thing that stuck withme is what you just said both
halves Be consistent, the wholegame, even if it's different
than what we saw the last game afew minutes in, you figured it
out and you know what to do thewhole game.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
But if they all go through the same training and
the training is good, it shouldbe similar.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
It's not cookie cutter because the thing is just
like for a person you may bebetter at something than
something else.
Some guys just see certainthings better than they see
other parts.
So, regardless, I mean untilyou are gonna say, hey, we're
gonna clone one official andit's gonna be the same guy
across the whole league.
You're always gonna have some ofthat different.
Some guys are better at seeinghand checks than others.

(47:21):
Some guys are better seeingfoot positioning on charges.
Some guys are better at seeinghand checks than others.
Some guys are better seeingfoot positioning on charges.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Some guys are better, it's just kind of naturally
they have a different skill set.
Don't get me started on charges.
That's one of my biggest petpeeves.
It's a guess.
They guess at that thing everytime.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
I don't think every time, because there's some that
are blatant as blatant gets.
But I also don't think mostcasual fans really understand a
charge because everybody's like,well, you can't be moving, well
, that's, that's wrong, youcan't be moving.
It's depending on where you gethit, how you get hit, the
angles that you get hit likethere's so much more into it

(47:54):
than just the you know, becauseas kids you can't be moving,
like that's what they teach.
You can't be moving, yeah.
So then everybody grows upthinking, well, you can't be
moving, like that's what theyteach you can't be moving.
So then everybody grows upthinking, well, you can't be
moving.
It's like well no, that's notright.
I mean, if a guy lowers hisshoulder and you're moving, it
doesn't matter.
It's a foul on the offense.
It can't lower the shoulder.
It's about where the contact'sinitiated.
Especially, you get intocollege NBA with the circle.

(48:15):
It depends on where you're atthere.
So it's just, it's really toughto.
Some of these guys are reallygood, some of them are not.
I think we've got to figure itout to an extent and consistency
is my biggest issue.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
I realize it's easy for me to sit here and criticize
them when I don't have to do it.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
And so I realize I appreciate what they do and
everybody's human.
I feel that way.
In every sport You're going tohear the comment.
If you don't like it, youshould go do it.
I would suck at it, I would.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
That would be a horrible official.
They're not paying me to do it.
That's why they're not.
If they was paying me to do it,I'd be trying to get better and
hopefully these guys are.
Yeah, we're watching thisXavier Texas game here I a few
minutes ago and I thought theywere going to get back to it.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
It was like Xavier's a fantastic shooting team.
If they start hitting someshots, they'll come back,
because Texas isn't a greatshooting team.
They get to the rim.
They're just not a greatshooting team.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
We said we're going to do a special episode sometime
where we just do commentary fora game, but it's going to be a
lot of silence.
We're just going to be sittinghere.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
The same way I'd be doing it as an official.
I'm watching something happen.
It would be very hard Now.
I take things very serious, soif I got into it, yeah, I'm
going to be all in, but I enjoythe sport, or I know you've made
this comment before.
It's hard to stay impartial.
At some point you're like Ikind of have this.
I want somebody to win and asan official you can't do that.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
You can't do that.
You can't growing up playingfootball and I loved it and I
got hurt and I get to keepplaying and then I coached some
youth and some different.
You know I thought aboutcoaching more with a family.
It's hard to get into highschool coaching.
There's just so muchrequirements there till they get
a little older yeah yeah, butthere was a part of me at one
time I was like, hey, I could go, you know, do some refereeing
football games.
I'd be still.
No, I couldn't you're like I'mstill involved in football, but
it's like no I want thecompetition, I wanted one team
to win, I want to be on one side, you know, and so I can't do

(50:05):
that right?
Um, but I forgot to tell you.
Yeah, my agent called andespn's looking at us about doing
some commentary stuff.
So we gotta practice.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
So one who the heck is your agent, unless it's brian
?

Speaker 2 (50:16):
oh, I don't know.
I got things you don't knowabout.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
An agent.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
That's an awfully big thing.
That's a random thing to notknow.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
And two, if you got money for an agent where have
you been holding out?

Speaker 2 (50:28):

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Is that what your agent told you to say?
Yeah, or your lawyer?
I'm not sure which one at thispoint, yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
I got all kinds of people I really hope.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Everybody knows where that comes from.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
You know, some might not, we might have to explain
that A younger age might not.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
I mean, obviously, how long ago was that Last time
the Seahawks were good?
Oh Lord, it's been a few years.
I have to start counting myfingers here.
Yeah, I mean Marshawn LynchSeahawks.
You're talking.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
So you're going to refresh my memory.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
So Kansas, so Kansas City.
Almost three-peat it would havebeen.
Brady was still on the Patriots, so it's been a while.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
So for those that don't know, marshall Lynch
showed up to a press conferenceand everything the he didn't
answer anything.
He just said I'm just here so Idon't get fined.
And clearly if he didn't showup to the press conference he
would have been fined.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Well, the NFL had already fined him for not
showing up to a smaller one.
And these are press days at theSuper Bowl that you were
required to go to.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Okay, I can remember if he was upset about something
or he didn't want to be there.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
It's Marshawn Lynch, if you know anything about him.
Like he's not the, sit thereand answer question type.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Like that's not him, seen it.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
go look it up, because oh it's, it's one of the
better, it's so to me it's onthat same level of interview as
alan iverson talking aboutpractice yes, like, and that's,
that's been a long time ago,that's super long ago.
I mean alan iverson had beenrelevant many, many years,
that's true.
But you go back and you knowthe whole.
You know we talk about practice, like that whole interview.

(52:00):
That to me is kind of on thatsame level of just interesting.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I want to go back and watch that one too, because
that one's been a lot longer,because you don't get a ton of
really good moments frominterviews.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Like you may have like a couple of seconds, but
these are like 10 minute long ofjust really good, just funny.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
I can think of one interview that's probably sticks
in my mind.
Probably sticks in my mind, andit wasn't too long ago.
Do you have anything that likecomes to your mind?

Speaker 1 (52:25):
like it was funny, you just enjoyed the interview,
or?
Um.
So, steph, when his daughterwas younger, those were fun and
he cut she'd come out with himand she was just I need some
attention, but I'm not gonna sayI want attention.
So she just do little thingsand it would obviously nobody's
listening to him at that pointyeah, they're always watching
his daughter, be it's justwatching his daughter be an
absolute goofball.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
It's funny because he was hilarious.
I mean he still is, but he wasa big star then for sure.
Like he was going around andsinging, yeah, I mean this is
when the Warriors were winningchampionships.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
And she's very, very young and you know she's tapping
on the mic and she's tapping onhim and she'll say stuff.
You know, just little sillythings Like those were hilarious
.
I watched a clip of those theother day.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
My mind goes to the kid at one of the colleges and
they asked he was a senior, whathe's going to miss most about
college?
And he puts his head down andhe's got tears in his eyes and
he says something like going outto eat.
Oh gosh.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
I do remember that.
I think probably the other goodone, if you remember LSU
baseball.
I think probably the other goodone, if you remember LSU
baseball.
They let a pitcher pinch hitand he's like the coach is like
hey, have you ever hit before?
Because they basically had nomore subs and the coach needed a
hitter.
He's like have you ever hitbefore?
And in the dugout he tells thecoach.

(53:35):
He's like oh yeah, I used tohit dingers.
I do remember this when I was inhigh school, I was hitting
bombs.
He's like all right, I need abatter, go up there.
And in the interview afterwardshe's like coach, I got to tell
you something and the coach isalways like all right, and he's
like they never let me hit.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
He's like I've never hit before.
I've never hit before.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
I hit in BP a couple times.
They never let me hit in thegame.
But he hits a walk you did whatyou were supposed to do.
You won the game.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Man that takes guts to go out in a game like that,
when the coach needs somebody.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
It's a kid, he has confidence.
He's like, let me do it, I cando it.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
He's like no, I don't normally do it, but put me in,
I'll do it.
And he did.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Like he said.
He's like I've never bat ingame.
I've done batting, so he wasn't.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Speaking of LSU baseball, what about Paul Skeens
?
Have you been seeing him?
What do you mean?
The man can pitch.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Are you just now figuring this out?

Speaker 2 (54:27):
No, but like some of the clips you're seeing this
year, Listen this is Goodnessgracious.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Here's the thing he got brought up right before
midseason last year and the manmade the all-star team.
I know, but it feels like he'sgetting better and he was
already great.
So here's the thing Paul Skeens, with the power that he has,
pitching, with the absolutefilth that he can throw.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
That's what the movement that he's getting.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Which it's very different.
Me and Brad had thesediscussions.
None of the so-called greatestbaseball players of all time
could hit above 200 againstthese guys, yeah, that's how?
You're probably right.
None of them, babe, ruth, wouldnot do anything.
The amount of movement that youwere seeing on 95, like they

(55:16):
were seeing 80 with next to nomovement, partially because the
type ball they use, partiallybecause they, the guys, weren't
all about spin rate.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Everything now is about how much spin can I
generate for movement so I thinkabout change-ups, like their
change-ups are still so fastbecause their fast balls are so
fast.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Well, but when you're unreal, when you're throwing
102 and your change-up is 90?
Yeah, like used to be.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
We'd see a change up 83 to 85 so I remember change
ups like 76 and stuff, even someof those there for a long time.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
I mean, you go back to the days of, you know, where
we remember as braves fansglavin smoltz, maddox smoltz
through hard, glavin through 90yeah maddox through 85.
Yeah, like he he was a.
He's gonna pinpoint it, whichis fine, but it used to be when
you would measure those metricsof a player if you're throwing

(56:09):
92, you're big league level.
If you're throwing 92 now, youmay not be d1, like it's.
It's changed so much like it's.
Like me and Will sat here twonights ago discussing about
baseball recruiting, because heused to recruit for a small
college and he's like if youdon't have 96 to 98 in the bag
as a righty, you'll never makeit.

(56:30):
Like you have no shot Becausethe guys the Maddox type guy
doesn't matter anymore, thehitters are too good.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
It reminds me of even basketball how you know the big
guys are starting to shootthrees.
Now you're getting these youknow used to the guys that threw
hard like that was their pitch,but now you're getting these
guys who throw that hard and canstill have movement and off
pitches and all this stuff, buta lot of those guys too have
gone away from the old your basepitch, yet still fastball, but

(57:00):
it's not a forcing anymore,they're throwing.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
You know, half the time these guys are leading bats
with cutters or they'retwo-seams, just because of the
angle that it's getting.
And when you're seeing movementon 99, how are you supposed to
hit that?
Now these guys are still.
I mean, it's the best hitterswe've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
It's hard to hit 99 if it comes down the middle.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Oh, I have no shot.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
I don't either.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
That's one thing I've said before.
To me.
Hitting a baseball, there isnothing harder in sports.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
You might as well close your eyes and just swing
and hope you time it up.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
I probably would I feel like I'd have a better
chance.
I mean, obviously I could swinga bat, but just because you are
confident or think you can swingabout well, doesn't mean you
can hit it with it moving orgoing that fast.
I mean you've got to thinkthese guys back early 2000s were

(57:51):
having eye surgery, not becausethey were, you know, they had
20-20 vision, but they're tryingto get anything better to be
able to see it out of the handbetter.
And some of these pitchersthere I mean they're in the
early, well late, 2010s, I guessthere was no such thing as a
banned substance.
So spider tack if you've neverheard of or any type of sticky
substance, that was allowed toan extent.

(58:13):
So then the spin was almostdouble or you were seeing, you
know, 40% more spin on pitches.
That's when we saw a huge, hugerise in pitchers and a dip in
batters.
And then 2021, they made thatstuff illegal and all of a
sudden we're seeing batting gothrough the roof again.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
You know, that's what I love too about softball
pitching.
I love the movement softballpitchers do these drop balls,
rise balls, curve balls, thesepeels I mean it is crazy what
they can do, which to mesoftball pitching is so weird
anyways, like it is not, so theyactually say it's a more
natural movement than a baseballpitching.
That's why there's no pitchlimit on it without a doubt but

(58:52):
it ain't nothing natural aboutit with this big windmill, and
no, no but.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
But you gotta think though all of those motions your
body can make it's all internalrotation, you can circle the
whole thing on baseball.
Why we're seeing tommy johnbecome common in high school now
is because it's all abouttorque on the elbow, because
it's like the deeper you can getit in that socket, which it
shouldn't do, it's not supposedto do so.
Then you're ripping ligamentsin and then again, like we

(59:16):
talked about these kids areplaying so much earlier you're
pitching these, you you know 10,11, 12-year-old kids 100
innings it's nuts.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Like throughout a summer, like their arms aren't
made for that.
Like the guys in the bigleagues are not doing that in a
short of a span.
That these guys are doing Likethey have a five-man rotation
for a reason.
I agree, you pitch once everyfive days.
You're not getting.
You know well, you pitchedtoday.
You can't pitch our late gametoday, but you can pitch
tomorrow.
Like that makes no sense to me.

(59:47):
They're still not getting rest.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
You're destroying, destroying people's elbows and
arms.
I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
That's the scary part about baseball to me playing as
much as they do, Because here'sthe thing like football there's
kids playing a lot of football,but if you've seen the switch,
they're playing flag.
Now, Outside of the schoolseason or the club season,
whatever it may be, it's gone toflag.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
I'm telling you I'm fixing to blow away right here.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
You ain't going nowhere, you're fine.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
If I had hair, it would be blowing in the wind
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
You haven't had to worry about that for a while
either, though that's one ofthose things I, so I do get at
you a question because I forgotabout this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
I was watching the conference tournaments, okay,
yeah one in particular well, forsome reason maybe it was the
only one on at the time, it washalftime, whatever, I don't know
I turned on the big 12, I thinkit was okay they were playing
in kansas city.
I believe, yep.
Did you see the floor?
They were playing in KansasCity.
I believe, yep.
Did you see the floor?
They were playing on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
I didn't.
I can't say that I watched anyBig 12 conference tournament Go
look up the floor from the Big12.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
It has, like the whole floor is covered in what I
think is 12 in Roman numeralsAll over the floor, and I had to
turn it.
It was going to make menauseous watching them run up
down this floor, the cameramoving back and forth, so as
listeners, if you haven't seenit, go look it up you get sick
at some weird things.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Oh, I see it, that's actually not that bad, that is
horrible it's good it's gray.
No no, I'm not saying I like it, but as far as visually it's
not horrible.
So do you remember Oregon,oregon's basketball?
Oh yes, it's covered in trees.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
I hated that too.
That, to me, was too much.
Reminds me of the blue field atBoise State right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
I love the blue field .
Though I think the blue field'sawesome, I hate it.
What about the gray field atEastern Michigan?
Nope, don't like it.
Is it green or nothing?

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Green or nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
it's different, that's the way I play golf, too
Green or nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Yeah, green in the rough, green in the trees.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
I didn't say nothing wasn't an option.
Green algae in the water.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
No, it's a green or nothing.
I get a lot of nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Here's the thing I'm there green every shot.
I mean we're all in the samespot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
But Listen, every shot's aimed at the green.
You just don't get there veryoften.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
I mean most of the time it lands on the color green
.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Maybe I don't know.
I've been in some weird spots.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
No, no, but I would say most of it's in some type of
grass.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Yeah, give or take.
I mean, yes, there there'sstill a lot of water balls.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
There's still some mulch.
Some dirt Some pine straw.
Some sand, but I feel like thevast majority of it is, at least
on the color green it is, or ashade of it at least.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Yeah yeah, usually it's on some kind of green.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
If I can find it.
Speaking of golf, did you watchany of the players championship
this week?

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Not really.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
I've been a busy man Listen, softball's taking over
my life right now.
I watched I didn't get to watchall of the final day, but I
know the final I mean obviouslyfinal day of the tournament's
what most people care about.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
That's what I finally had some time to watch it and I
turned it on to watch it andthey had a weather delay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
They did have a big weather delay and I was like
well crap, Rory McIlroy, had itwon, gave it up in the final
five holes, lips in on 18.
Jj Spahn, who had been leadinga bunch of it, ends up leaving
his putt to win it two inchesshort.

(01:03:13):
Oh, I didn't realize that.
I saw they had a playoff.
Because of the weather delay,they didn't have the playoff on
Sunday.
I saw that they had to comeback monday morning at 9 am and
the way the players does it is alittle bit different.
Most tournaments are suddendeath, like you were going to
play like 18 to start.
Somebody makes a birdie,somebody makes it's over.

(01:03:35):
I saw the ad like for mondayit's aggregate, so they play 16,
17, 18 I said three holes and Iwas like that's, they
automatically play three holesand there's a few terms to do it
, but it's not as common.
I actually kind of like it.
It's kind of like the rest ofgolf.
It's a little bit more of agrind.
It's not like a just I've gotto play one hole.
I thought that before becauseif a hole suits somebody, you've

(01:04:05):
got the advantage already.
Well, you look at a guy likeRory.
Now it didn't really suitanybody that day because the
wind was worse Monday morningthan it was the whole week.
What was it?
Saturday was horrible, but itwas worse Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
But they start on 16.
Xavier just took the lead.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
I know They've been hitting all kinds of shots.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
He just hit a three to take the lead.
I sorry, no, you're good, it'sturned into a great game.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
When Xavier in the first half, I said looks like
they're going to be out of itimmediately.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Is this a upset alert ?
I don't know if it's upset.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
It's two 11s.
Why are they playing either way?
You?

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
can't have two 11s in this game.
They can say what they want.
We have four 11s in a play-in.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Neither one of them is an 11 yet.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
You've got to win this to be an 11.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
I think it's an and one.
Listen, xavier, fighting backthe way they did is probably
going to win this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Anyways, okay, go back to the players.
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Well, I was going back to hole 16 at the players
par 5.
Rory's one of the longesthitters on tour, so of course
it's like well, that suits him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Immediately had an advantage.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
So he goes, birdie par.
Jj hit one into the sand.
Didn't hit a great shot, endsup par.
It's like, all right, you'rejust down one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Going to 17, which TPC Sawgrass 17 is one of the
most famous holes in golf, theIsland Green.
Monday it was 131-yard shotplaying 162.
Oh my gosh Because of wind.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
So in their face.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Yeah, rory hits.
I think they said like a nineiron Hits it pretty low, tried
to keep it under the wind.
Great shot, just kind of on thefringe hit and kind of rolled,
jj flies the green and it's likeit's over.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
How do you fly the green with the wind in your face
like that?
I guess he just clubbed up tomake sure.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Honestly, he hit a shot and it looked like it
didn't do what it's supposed tolike.
I was watching that morning.
He hit it in there before itgot high, almost just looked
like the spin disappeared and itjust landed past and he was
amazed because he's like there'sno way that should have
happened.
Yeah, like, looking back, he'slike I don't know how that ball
does that, but he ends up makingtriple, rory bogeys it and
rory's got a three-stroke leadgoing to 18 yeah, so it's like
this is a formality at thispoint, like let's just get it
over with.

(01:06:08):
I think rory pars, 18, wins theplayer for the second time his
career, which you know.
That's what a lot of peopleconsider, the unofficial fifth
major being the playerschampionships, the only big
tournament, the biggesttournament outside of?

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
why don't they make it a major?

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
I don't know if they just have this thing of wanting
to be four or what, I'm notreally sure.
Like the players has its name,it's its own thing.
But there's notoriety forwinning a players but you can't
call it a major.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
It's kind of always weird to me, it is weird I'm not
sure what the reasoning forthat is if they ever made it a
major, would you then go backand everybody that won it years
past called a major?
Would it start when they did it?

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
I feel like it'd have to start when it, when it
switches.
But I'll say, though they putthat on your resume like it's
different than a regulartournament.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
I mean, it's like you won the players a big it's just
another one of those thingswith golf that I can't keep up
with.
I don't understand.
It's tough again.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
There's several podcasts I've listened to that
are literally golf podcasts andpodcasts and they are saying
golf is bad for fans right now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
It is Especially new fans.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
I'm not sitting here saying, oh, golf's great, like I
love the sport.
But even as a big-time fan itcan be very hard to follow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
I would watch it a whole lot more if I could
understand some of the scoringand stuff more and if they made
it a little easier to watch.
That would help.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Like the scoring and stuff more, and if they made it
a little easier to watch, thatwould help.
Like the scoring in golf as faras like whole scoring, oh,
that's easy, that's easy, yes,but then when they're saying I
mean point system, I guess.
Well, he finished third, so hegot 112 points compared and I'm
like wait, why is thistournament worth this compared
to this?

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
But why was it 120?
Like it, none of it.
No, that part makes sense theway the fedex stuff does not
make.
Let's lower the points to whereit makes more sense.
Instead of having like 500 forthe win, let's do 50.
You know something to and youcan still disperse it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
The same percentage it's like all right, the guy won
, even if you're gonna say it's100, he got 100, guy two got 99,
guy three, and it's like or'slike.
Or if you wanted a two split,like, hey, you earned a spot, so
maybe you get a smaller jump, Icould get that.
But when every tournament youcan get hundreds of points, the

(01:08:14):
gaps don't really feel likethey're really much of anything.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
That is one thing I will commend NASCAR for doing
several years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
The point system is so much easier to keep up with
fans.
They changed the point system,right?
Yes, because it used to besimilar.
It's kind of like what you justsaid.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Yeah, you get a little bonus points for winning
and different things like that,but it's basically yeah, but I
don't have an issue of likethrow a guy an extra 10 or an
extra 20 for a win, okay.
Fair.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Well, I I don't think it is but even then, if that's
what they do, it's like okay,that makes sense, I get.
Winning is big, you win, okay,you deserve something else, yeah
, but yes, again, the playoff ingolf and the point system in
golf zero cents Zero cents.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
It makes it harder for me to follow that and I've
told you like the four days, butI again, time to watch has been
different, but I have enjoyedTGL and the way they've done it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
TGL's in the playoffs right now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
I know they just had their Monday, tuesday Finals.
I guess we had a big upset.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Yes, la Golf is the biggest team this year.
They've been kind of justbeating everybody and a team in
New York that we're kind of like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
New York wasn't good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
They're barely scraping in.
I mean New York's, one of theteams we saw first week that I
watched.
I'm like they are boring, likeit was guys that just they were
not interesting to watch and yetnow they're in the finals.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Listen, my team's going to win it.
I picked a good team, andhere's what I'm saying.
I picked them at the beginningof the season.
I didn't like wait until I 100%agree.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
I'm not questioning that you picked them early.
But when you picked them and Iwas like hang on, who is that?
And I went and saw the rosterand I'm like that's going to be
a tough team to beat.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
They're good they're going to be tough.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
I think they've lost one match all year and they ran
through the Bay in that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
I was a little worried because the Bay had been
playing pretty good so I didn'tknow it was going to be.
But they beat them like 9-3 orsomething.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
You give Justin Thomas a controlled environment
where he can run his mouth andhe can just get in your head.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
It's going to be hard to beat.
He is so fun to listen to,which I love JT.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
He's one of my favorite golfers.
For Paul, that is his guy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
It's a Bama guy.
He's an Alabama guy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
So of course, that's for sure, paul, being from the
area, that he's a huge band offootball fan.
They have a basketball fan likethat's.
That's all it's about, so he'sa jt 100 I've got to like him
more.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
I mean, I kind of liked him before that, but I
think a lot of people jumped onkind of more of his bandwagon
because of full swing also.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Okay, everybody keeps talking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
But what are you doing with your life?
I've told you I'm playingsoftball.
They're not playing coachingsoftball non-stop, that's all I?

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Everybody keeps talking about it.
What are you doing with yourlife?
Watch Full Swing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
I'm playing softball.
I'm not playing coachingsoftball nonstop.
That's all I do anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
For the past three years.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Pretty much yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Like you're on season three man.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
No, I don't watch a lot of TV.
I mean, I watch some sports,Just.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Netflix Sitcom here and there.
Watch on Netflix here and there.
You, you got my login.
Sorry, netflix, I was joking.
You just got shut off.
Gosh, they just shut mine off.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
I'm going to get a text from my wife.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Hey, what happened to ?

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Netflix?
I don't know, no, honestly, ifNetflix is still listening.
I haven't turned on Netflix ina long time.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
We finished season three within a week of it coming
out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
I'm trying to think what if I watch it?

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Which, honestly, amanda really likes that
documentary series too she wasreally into it.
So the first season I watchedbefore she knew it was a thing,
and then, when she realized itwas a thing, she got mad at me
for watching because she's likethis is really good, we should
have watched this together.
So we've watched two and threetogether and that's been fun
because obviously, as much as Ilove golf, her watching
something golf related is likehey.

(01:11:43):
I can maybe watch moretournaments now, but that's
something good they're doing,though she's gotten interested
because she's like ooh, Irecognize that name now, like I
see those guys.
The same thing you said aboutwhat's his name TGO Glover,
lucas Glover yeah, nobody reallyknew who he was.
No, the diehard golf guys did,but a guy like you who just kind
of casually watches the game.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
I saw he was leading the players the other day and I
was like, oh look who's here.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Yeah, go away, I saw him.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
He was more fun.
He's on my team.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Yeah, yeah, he's on my team.
Yeah, that's how I felt.
All right, so here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Are you going to buy a shirt now?

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
get somebody else to pay.
It'll be a group gift.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
We'll have to all go in to get it as expensive, those
things yeah no, I mean, I kindof want to wait and see what the
second season looks like, ifthey're going to change it up I
understand that because we didtalk about that.
I'm a little worried whatthey're going to do.
Hopefully it gets better, butare they going to change up
teams?

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
are guys going to drop out and so to me, I think
we'll probably see about thesame on these top four teams.
I don't think it changes.
Maybe some of the others do,but I think we're probably gonna
add teams.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Yeah, I think we see more teams, which to me is
exciting I think if I you know,if I lock in for the second year
with them, then I'm there, nomatter who comes and goes, like
you are with the sports team butthe first year, once you, once
you kind of pick a team, it'skind of which that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
That leads me into a question, because I've thought
about this before Are you for oragainst people that change
teams, like professional sports,any sport, college,
professional and I'm not talkingabout people that play, I'm
talking about as a fan.
Are you okay if you're like I'min a new section of life?

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
or I now live somewhere different.
If there's a legit reason, I'mokay with it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Obviously not a bandwagon, not just a bandwagon,
because I'm never for abandwagon, Not just a bandwagon.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
You know, I kind of done that.
Well, I didn't change teams.
So with Kentucky basketball Ididn't really have a basketball
team because I was young when Imoved to Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
I understand that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
So that was a little different.
Um, you know, I don't know, Icould see hang on, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
David's blowing away.
I had to go get him yeah, sorry, I gotta roll back, he was
gonna make the joke anyways, Ifigured I might as well jump on
it first I um you know when Imoved to north carolina.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Yep, I've been here several years now yep I could
never see me changing teams,even though I I moved here and
there's other teams around Ifeel like that's a little
different.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
College team to me does feel different.
I'll say that because you canhave kind of college allegiance
across the country.
It just feels a bit differentbecause pro a lot of times like
you get that allegiance becauseyou're closer to a team.
We're like if you like, if youmove to, if you move to buffalo,
you might become a bills fanbecause it's right there, you
can go to all the games, you cando all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
I think it could become your second team.
But if you already have a firstteam Now okay.
So for me, I always was aCowboys fan growing up and I
don't watch a lot of NFL.
So in that instance I sayyou're fixing to blow away.
Look at this.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
I'm way too fat to blow away.
Come on now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Because I don't have a serious NFL team.
I think it'd be okay.
But if I'm a diehard whateverfan, just because I move, I can
pick them up as a second team,but they can't be my main team,
but a diehard I don't think adiehard is going to ever switch
at anything.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
That's the way it should be.
You could lose every singlegame.
Think about Lions a few yearsago or Browns and you're still a
diehard, especially if you livein that city.
You're going to always be, andmaybe I'd have more of
allegiance on an NFL teamthinking if I grew up right next
to one and you pick that up Forme.

(01:15:14):
I became a Cowboys fan, but mywhole family was.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Yeah, so you had a reason to.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
We lived in Mesquite, texas, just outside of Dallas,
born at Baylor Hospital.
I don't have any Baylorallegiance, like I don't care
about that, but it's like well,you know, dad was a Cowboys fan,
my uncles were Cowboys fans.
Okay, I'm a Cowboys fan, so itjust kind of happened.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
You became kind of an Ohio State football fan, right.
You're the same kind of OhioState football fan, right.
But before that I don't thinkyou was like die hard, I didn't
have anybody, somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
I like college football, I liked watching good
games, but I didn't have thestate.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Well, you was a North Carolina fan and there was
never that good, so I'm sure youliked them.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
I still want North Carolina football to do well.
I'm very pro Belichick at thispoint.
Make the program great, I'm allfor it.
But I think at this point I'mway too invested in Ohio State
football to change like a numberone.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
What if North Carolina football just becomes
like top-ranked big?

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
time.
I'm not a bandwagon.
I'm not going to switch fromthat.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
But you was a North Carolina fan beforehand, Like
you've always been a NorthCarolina fan.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
I was not a to me college football before was.
It's fun to watch, but I'mready for basketball season.
Like basketball is my thing, Iwill never not be a Carolina
basketball fan period.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
So I was an Ohio State football fan first and
then I moved to Kentucky, gotinto college basketball as a kid
and all that, and became aKentucky fan.
So I feel that same way withKentucky football.
I don't care how good they get,I hope Kentucky football wins
every game, unless they'replaying Ohio State.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
I gotcha which.
We've had that discussion too.
Hey, ohio State, kentucky, whoyou cheering for?
It's always a pretty quick OhioState, but that was my first
love?

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Yeah, exactly, I don't know.
Do you see an instance whereit's okay to switch teams?
Because I'm not.
If you picked up another teamfrom somewhere else, you didn't
have one already, and we've kindof talked about that.
If you're a fan of them already, you've got to stay with it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
I think that's where it's kind of okay, because I
mean I can remember at one pointlike I liked Texas football
because I was kind of from therebut I wasn't, I'm not invested
Like this is my team.
I can remember like in Floridabecause, like Tebow, like a team
that just kind of drew me as aperson or something but again.
I wasn't like this is my teambecause they won a championship.
It's cool they won achampionship.

(01:17:24):
I kind of like them, butthey're not like.
Here's who I'm going to cheerfor.
I didn't have that feelingabout anybody.
Carolina football was alwaysone of those.
They haven't been good sincewhat?
The 80s?

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
My over on SEC schools just got a little harder
, but I did not think Texas wasthat good Now I thought they
should have been in.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
I don't even know.
See, that's one of those thatyou could have left out.
Maybe a West Virginia would bein and it's kind of like, okay,
I don't really question.
But again, I said it aboutCarolina, carolina could have
been left out and I wouldn'treally question it.
They weren't one that was like,oh, they should be in.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
We've talked about this and and I know the playing
game is silly for 11 seats, yes,but if carolina, texas, xavier,
all these schools that arebarely on the bubble, yeah, when
they win, they should be a 16seat, like carolina should be a
16 seat right now but theyreserve basically 12 through 16.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
It's almost like this is reserved for the small
schools it doesn't make senselike if you're barely in, if you
had to play to get in, if youare the last four in, that to me
means you are the last four,which is 16.
Yep, it shouldn't be, but again, you don't want to play Xavier
as number one.
That's not the first game youwon.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Because they're not the last four in.
I agree, that's what I'm saying, that's my issue with this
whole.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Let's have 11s, have basically a play in.
Okay, if they were good enoughto get here, why not just leave
a couple of teams off the verybottom?

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
So it's the schools that win their conferences right
.
Those smaller schools that wintheir conferences that get that
12 through 16 a lot of timessometimes they get a.
You know, yes, typicallythey're not going to get higher
than a 12, really, unlessthey're just like undefeated so
I guess it's like you know northcarolina may be one of the last
four in, but they're stillbetter than half these teams.
That won their conference iswhat they're trying to say, and

(01:19:22):
I get that argument.
But the play-in game is theproblem.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
I don't know how many of the 12 through 16 are not
automatic qualifiers.
Yeah, I'd be curious I'd haveto go research that, because I
don't know.
Looking at them it's hard totell.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
I would think most.
I would think most.
I could understand thatargument a little bit.
They're qualified, they'reautomatically in, so at that
point they're not picking.
Well, we said there's 32conferences, so they're only
picking 36.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
But to me this is a way to not make a tough decision
Like 11s, pick who's the better.
11.
Don't have a game for it.
Like've seen 30 something gamesthis year.
You can decide who you think isbetter hey, let's do like
football all automaticqualifiers.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
You're the top 32 seeds, let's just go with it.
I can see the look on your face.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
I'm just trying to think how that would even, isn't
that?

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
what we did in football.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
So would you just say rank them 1 through 64 and not
go like 4-1s, 4-2s, 4-3s?

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Yeah, let's rank all the teams 1 through 68.
No.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
I'd say 64.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
I'll get rid of the 4?
.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
Yeah, we wouldn't need it if you did that way.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Well, I'm okay if you want to do 1 through 68 and
then Still those last four oreight teams, or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Maybe your last four.
You have two playing games.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
Well, they have four playing games now, right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
Yeah, but you've got two 11s and two 16s.
I know it's a little different.
Like I'm okay, that's how theyget their 68.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
I'm okay, let's pick.
You know what?
60 teams and the other eightplaying games are the last four
spots.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
So you'd be negating conference championships?
No, I, or are you saying ifyou're a conference championship
?

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
conference champion, you're automatically top 32.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Yeah, you do know, there's a sub 500 team in right?

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
no, I know they want a conference championship.
Just got hot so it would not.
I don't know you'd probably getto the same place because the
way the bracket is built likethey're going to go down quickly
.
I don't know if you'd probablyget to the same place because
the way the bracket is builtlike they're going to go down
quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
I don't know if you'd actually get to the exact same
place, just because the matchupswould drastically change if you
did it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Like if those guys got jumped up, but the first
round most of those are out, andso you end up in the same place
later.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Maybe, but like, if you're a 32 playing a 33, that
33 probably better.
They just didn't win thechampionship.
You say in like a 10 versuswhatever.
That would equal out to 60 or50-something.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
You never know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
I say that jokingly, because I hated when college
football did it.
Oh no, I understand, but I alsohate that they feel like they
have to put these teams inbecause they want it and they're
going to put them at the end ofthe line, and then teams like
Carolina, Xavier, Texas, allthese teams have to play
play-ins for 11 seeds.
They've got to do somethingthere.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
So obviously we've never seen an 11 seed win it.
We've never seen a team likethat go unbelievably far.
But then you turn around andlook well, 11 plays a 6.
That's not a crazy difference.
So if the 11 beats the 6.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
It should be.
When you start looking at 4 ofeach, that should be pretty far
apart.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
11 plays a 6, and then you're going to play the
winner of a 14-3.
So now, when we say 11 versus 3, much bigger spread, but 11
versus 6 is not a huge gap and a14-3 is an upset spot we have
seen before.
It is and all of a sudden, ifyou get an, 11 and a 14, an 11
makes it a sweet 16, or a 14makes it a sweet 16, which we've

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seen happen.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Some brackets open up for teams.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
But the problem is, like I have for like an 11, if
Carolina is truly going to makea run which I'm not saying they
are, but if they were, they havea massive disadvantage because
they've already had to play agame and it's not like they have
a week off.
Is it a disadvantage when?

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
they played like that , maybe got some confidence.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
I think that does give them confidence, but it's
still a disadvantage becauseyou've got more miles on you.
But it's still a disadvantagebecause you've got more miles on
you, like you've got more timeon you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Because you've got to think they turn around and play
again in two days.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
Yeah, so they have an extra.
They're playing a solid team.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
It's not like they're playing a 16.
So they have to play threegames in six days.
Yeah, eight days, whatever itis Six days, I guess, yeah, yeah
.
So that's a difference.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
So then if they were to win the next game and then
win the next one, you get kindof that week off or four days,
whatever it is, but you're notgiving an 11, which is not that
low of a team you're not reallygiving them a fair shake.
That's what I hate about the 11play-in.
It just does not make sense tome.
I'm with you.

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I would rather just say Xavierand Carolina were better 11s
than the other two.
I'm saying that because theywon, but I'm just saying, if we
look at the tape throughout thewhole year 30-something games
okay, these are better.
There's your 11.
Let the 416s play in.
Who cares?

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Yeah, that's what I don't again.
I said that kind of joke.
I don't again.
I said that kind of joke.
I don't want to put all theconference champions in the
first 30.
No, I get that, but we couldput them in the top 60 and leave
the back eight for these teamsyou're talking about.
We could easily do that andthey could still be 16th seeds,
because that's not that much tomove a team up from 68th, so on

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to 60th.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
Well, but then I'll throw you another situation.
Are these six teams actuallybetter than the two teams in the
SEC that didn't make it, whichthey were pretty bad?
I mean, the two teams thatmissed out were not good, but so
a team like SMU, who somepeople think should have been in

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, I don't believe so.
I don't think they did enougheither is American who lost
tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Are they better than SMU?

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
No, but we said there's 32 conferences, so 32
spots are already pickedautomatically, whether you think
they're good or not.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
But we don't do that in football, we don't.
We talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
They try to.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
In football it was about power five, now it's power
four.
In basketball it's like well,we did away with that term that
they're like oh, we can't saythat anymore Mid-major, they're
a mid-major.
We did away with that wholething.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
I do think basketball is a little different because
some of those teams can get goodin basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
Football.
It's very rare that those theycan but to me it's competitive
work your way into the rankings,like if you work away in the
rankings, it doesn't matterwhere you're at oh yeah, so it's
kind of what's it really matterat that point?
because if you're, if you'rereally that good, you work your
way up in the rankings.
You're playing good team to getyourself there.
You establish yourself over youknow a five-year span.
You're just now a team that'sin there, like we just consider
you.
But those teams, also the bigconferences, are like hey, come

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join us, like they're, they'redragging those guys bring them
in.
So to me it's like I'm nottaking away from these smaller
schools and I'm not taking awayfrom the fun that that ensues
with it, because I love thetournament.
I think it's a very interestingway to do it, the fact that you
have, you know, a round of 64and theoretically a 64 is
playing a one, and we've nowseen in two different situations

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, a one get beat by a 16 likethat's exciting I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
I haven't looked this up, I'm gonna assume out of the
32 conferences, about half ofthem are probably those smaller
conferences, at least half maybemore.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
Well, yeah, maybe more.
When you just look at anytime,you go to NCAA on ESPN and you
start looking up scores and yougo through conferences most of
the conferences you've neverheard of I mean, most people
have not or you may have heardlike well, I feel like I've
heard of that one time becausethey talked about it in a

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tournament.
That's the only reason you'veheard of it, not because you've
actually watched any of thosegames.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Yeah, I don't know.
I like giving them a shotbecause they won their
conference tournament.
But again, who are they playingto win their conference
tournament?
So it's tough.
I think, because there's somany teams in the basketball
tournament, you can allow it alittle better than football can.
You can get away with it morethan they can.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
I'm not for really a change in it.
The only thing I don't like isthe 11 play-in.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
That's the only thing I don't like.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
Honestly, I really do love the tournament because it
is exactly that it is Marchmadness.
It is madness from the start.
You never, really know what'sgoing to happen.
The reason ESPN every year says, hey, we're going to give away
a million dollars for a bracket.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Nobody comes close Because it doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
Because that's what's so interesting about it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
What I could see doing a little different is have
your playing games before yousee them.
That way, you're not sayingthey're 11.
Just say, okay, here's the lasteight we're going to play in.
Or 11.
Just say, okay, here's the lasteight we're going to play in.
Now we've got the bracket,we're going to put them together
, so start everything four daysearlier.
Yeah, you lost.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
You're on the bubble, you're going to show up in
wherever it is.
We'll say find the middle ofthe two teams that are going to
play for Carolina and San DiegoState.
Y'all are going to go play inKansas or something.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
They talked about adding what?
Six teams, or four teams,whatever it is.
Yeah, let's have a littleselection, it's a pre-tournament
tournament yeah we're going tohave a selection show for the
first eight out, or whatever itis, and we're going to play this
and then we're going to seed itright after that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Well.
So here's the thing If you didbefore Selection Sunday, you had
, which you can't do now becausethe tournaments lead right to
it.
I mean the Big 12, sec.
Some of those teams are playingthe day of it literally means
nothing at that point.
If you start it four or fivedays early or say that ends the

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week before the selection, youtheoretically could do that and
you basically just say look, youguys are on the bubble, we're
not going to seize you, you'regoing to play you, you're going
to play you.
Winner gets the 11.
Yeah, technically that's nodifferent, but to me it makes no
sense to say, hey, we, we madethe tournament, we made the 11,
and now we're not in.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
It's literally the same thing, but logically, not
having a seed yet makes moresense of like I'm basically have
to play my way in.
That's what you're doing now,but you shouldn't both have an
11.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
If you're an 11, you've done enough because you
can look at what happens in thatgame and then decide I know
that should be a 12.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
For anybody listening .
I know that sounds so stupidbecause you're like well, it's
just semantics at that point andyou're right, it is, but
logically it just makes moresense.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Yeah but right now you're setting them as 11.
Okay, if you see North Carolinacome out in your playing game
and play like that, you might go.
Huh, let's put them at 8.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Maybe Because you haven't seen them yet.
You can put them wherever youwant, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
You could say we wasn't sure, we was on the fence
about them and they just provedthemselves.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Well, if they go, that we thought could be in the
tournament, maybe you don't goas high as an 8, but you may get
a 9 or a 10.
You might.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
I'm for it.
Now here's the other solution.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
Or you may go win and both teams look really bad.
Make them a 14.
Yeah, you could, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Because you didn't see them yet.
Now here's the other solution.
This is the money-makingsolution right here.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Oh gosh, let's just add another round.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
Let's throw another 68 teams out there.
No, let's go another round.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
No, we'll just put them all in the round of 128.
Yeah, that would be literally athird of the country getting in
.
Because what did you say?
It's like 350 something.
Yeah, a third of it would getin.
What's the point of having aseason?
Let's just have a tournament, ayear-long tournament, like
that'd be horrible.
We could do a.
I mean, it'd be such a mess.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
We take the half of the.
You know, I would just say130-something, whatever it is
140-something, I guess We'lltake half of them and do play-in
games to get in the tournament.
There we go.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
It's getting complicated now, I like the 64.
Like round of 64.
It makes sense Like yes, youcould add another 64, and you're
really only adding anotherround.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
You're not really adding anything much to it.
That's what I'm saying.
One more game.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
What's the point?
That's just now.
We're just letting that's aparticipation trophy at that
point.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
No, I think it's kind of what they did.
Like you said, it's apre-tournament before the
tournament.
That's what playing games are,so I'd rather just like let's
keep it that way.
But whatever, it is what it isand I'm still going to watch it
and I'm still going to thinkit's good, so I can complain all
I want, but as long as I keepturning it on they're going to
keep doing what they.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
Well, I haven't thought about this until
literally right now, something Icomplained about a lot last
week oh, that's never good.
College basketball crown.
Yes, did you go, look it up.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
I've seen some more stuff Like did you see who got
in?
No, I did not see who got in.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
Because I literally just for right now.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
I saw the NIT was playing already I didn't pay
attention to that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
A bunch of no-name teams and no-name teams A couple
of teams, I don't know, deniedit.
Who denied it?

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
I didn't really even see.
I don't remember now, was it oh, the two SEC schools, they said
because of their injuries andstuff they turned it down.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
So, honestly, the two SEC schools.
The college basketball crownhas fairly big-name schools, but
I can look here and see none ofthem were any good this year.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
Who's going to be the champion?
Who's going to be crowned?

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
Well, so you've got Utah versus Butler.
So two big-name schools, weknow who those are.
Sorry that one was really smallGeorge Washington, boise State
no names, nobody cares.
Nebraska, arizona State.
Those are two schools peopleknow, Not known for basketball,
but two schools people know.
Georgetown, washington State,same way, depaul, cincinnati,

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oregon State, ucf, colorado Wow,villanova, the fall off is hard
.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Villanova's in the crown.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
Yeah, fall off is hard, oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
And then Tulane USC.
What if Villanova doesn't winthat?
And then Tulane USC.
What if Villanova doesn't winthat?
Ain't that just going to makethem look worse?

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
No, I mean because, like USC is in it.
I'm not saying that USC is good, but I'm just saying I've not
thought of it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
Villanova, like you said, the fall off.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
They were good.
They won championship a fewyears ago.
The fact that they're in thecrown.
If Villanova's year, I couldn'teither.
They've been so irrelevant.
I know I've watched the game.
I remember watching it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Is that since their coach left?
Was that Jay Wright?

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
Jay Wright was their coach for many, many years.
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
And so they just tumbled down.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
But that just goes to show it's really hard to be
good every year.
I mean it is it's really hardto be good every year,
especially for a school likethat, because they're not very
big Villanova and other sportsaren't even Division.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
I yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
So they're Division I .

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
But they're FCS.
Some of the big schools we talkabout, the Blue Bloods we talk
about, I mean they go yearswhere they don't make the
tournament.
So it happens.

Speaker 1 (01:34:04):
So Villanova was 19-14 this year.
Why are they not arguing theyshould be in?

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
I was going to say In my mind I'm thinking I was
going to say they're close.
They're right there with WestVirginia and Ohio State and
everybody that's mad.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
Two losses behind Xavier, who just won.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Yeah, Again, I don't know who they lost to who they
won I will say this Because ofthe team names that are in it.
To me the crown feels biggerthan the NIT.
I haven't paid attention tothat.
I've never watched the NITeither.

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
I don't pay attention to that.
I've watched it a few yearsjust because, again, I like
basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
So some of the nights that it's on and the
tournament's not on and thetournament's not.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
That's usually what gets watched.
Notice, if it's some randomteam I don't care as much.
But well, but like the nit,you've got 32 teams in the night
team.
It's obviously a pretty bigtournament.
But your number ones smu,dayton, uc, irvine and san
francisco how did the villanova?
Those are the number ones Withtheir record.
Well, so that conference wasguaranteed.
I think two in.

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Maybe they chose that over theNIT, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
You know, I would love to see if a school turned
down the NIT and went to thecrown.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
Do we know?
If they did?
No, I don't.
I haven't followed thosebecause, again, if you're not in
the tournament, to me it's likeit doesn't matter.
Those are participation.
Those are stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
No, but I'd be curious if some school thought,
hey, this is better than NIT,because NIT has been around
forever.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
So I get the NIT for some of those smaller schools
that had really really goodyears.
But you know your conferenceonly gets one the conference
champion.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Yeah, and you didn't win that?
Oh, definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
And you're like 26 win team.
That's who I think it should befor.
That to me is like all right,nit makes sense, that's what the
nit should be for.
Yep, but the crown we'reputting in these big name
schools.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
Just because they're big name, like what's the point?

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
yeah, uh, not good enough to be in the tournament,
but I'm gonna go win something.
Does that really mean anything?
It doesn't to me.
I mean, that's me just.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Yeah, maybe Villanova .
Because they were in thatconference, that was automatic
in the crown.
Maybe NIT couldn't even askthem.
Like they already said, I don'tknow.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
I'm trying to get this done.
Seems to me like moreparticipation trophies.
I mean Arkansas State versus StLouis.
Arkansas State was 24-10.
Obviously whatever conferencethey're in, yeah, they're not
getting more than one.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
So NIT's got 32, and the Crown's got 16.
Is that right?
Yeah, that's what we said,Talking about 48.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
So you've got 68 and 32.
The best you can be is over 100.
Yeah, but wouldn't you by thatmetric?

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
Wouldn't you rather see those other 48 schools just
be in the tournament witheverybody else than some random
tournament nobody cares about?
No, I mean, I'm not sayingthey're gonna do much good, but
if I'm gonna watch them anyways,let's don't move everybody else
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
So yeah, let me find one.
Uh, florida atlantic is in inthe nit 19 and 15.
They shouldn't in in the NIT 19and 15.
They shouldn't be in thetournament.
That's a waste to me.
So, like I said, to me, nit isfantastic for a school.
I just found where'd they go?
Uc Irvine 28 and 6 on theseason just didn't win their

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conference tournament yeah, coolNIT fits for them.
There's a reason they gotnumber one in the NIT and then
they're going to go playNorthern Colorado, who is 25-9.
Again, another school.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
Fantastic season.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
But yeah, those conferences, if you don't win
the championship, you're notgetting it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
Their record is that good because of who they played.
Oh, I agree, they're alsoplaying much lower teams, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
But so Georgia Tech ACC team in the NIT got beat
81-64 to Jacksonville State.
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
So that's what I'm saying.
When is the NIT over?
What does it run through?
April 3rd.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
April 3rd is right up to it too.
Yeah, it's.
They kind of try to do all thechampionships kind of in
succession.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
I think we should do them ahead of time.
And the champion of the NIT andthe Crown gets to be in the
tournament.
You get to sneak into the back.
Like you said, a tournamentbefore the tournament.
I told you.
So they do an all-star race inNASCAR, and before the all-star
race, if you didn't qualify forit, for winning races or
whatever, they'll do like ashort race ahead of time and if
you're top two, you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
I remember you saying you could basically win your
way in to the All-Star.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
We should do that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
What's the point of winning into the All-Star Just
because the All-Star is worth abunch of money?

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
A million dollars to the winner.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
The race insane checkers or wreckers.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
If you're the last those two guys that got in you
barely got in you're probablynot having a great year already.
You're probably not going towin.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
No, you're not, but I guess it's just out there for
the fans.
Your sponsors get to be on TVanother time.
I don't know.
I wondered that myself too.
When you get in there, you'reprobably not going to win it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
I have a difficult time having an all-star anything
.
I'm not just talking aboutracing.
It would be the same thing withgolf or tennis or on an
individual sport.
It's hard to do an all-starbecause it's just another race,
like it's not really anydifferent.
The only thing that's differentis your prize.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
It is.
Well, it's a shorter race.
Like I said, it's points don'tmatter, it's win or go home,
like you, just that's all thatmatters.
So you do whatever it takes towin.

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
Like, to me it's really sometype of all-star with a team.
You kind of then just are thenpicking a new team, Like your
guys got put on there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
It's a little different.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
And again I'm not just saying NASCAR.
I think that with anyindividual thing it's just hard
to do any type of true all-startype event, which again don't
look at the NBA for all-starhelp, because theirs is horrible
.
Honestly, don't look at the NFL.
The Pro Bowl is pathetic.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
I think it needs to be more like it's so bad they
can still do that to put on ashow like a NASCAR, but it needs
to be more about the fans andall these.
It needs a fan event.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
I don't have an issue with that If you're basically
just making a fan event but thencome out and say, hey, this is
a fan event, we're doing thisfor the racers, or?

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
we're doing this for the players, or whatever.
I'm not going to get too deepinto NASCAR, but I've had a
thought lately that might bevery unpopular, I don't know,
and you're not a big NASCAR fan,but this is in some other
racing too.
I think I would like to get ridof the pit stops, like if you
need the pit stop, you stop.
Everybody goes in and changeyour tires, whatever, go back
out, you go back to the sameposition you was not.

(01:40:28):
You know, right now it's timedand if your pit stop is bad, you
lose positions.
Like to me, that takes awayfrom the race because the driver
is the one out there.
That's a star and they can dolike you still have a team sport
because they all got to build,when the best car doesn't win
because their tire change isscrewed up.

Speaker 1 (01:40:51):
Part of that, though, outside looking in again.
Not a real racing fan,obviously not a NASCAR fan.
Some of that, though, like theway you drive, is going to
change how often you're going toneed that pit, Like if you're
hard on the, that pit, Like ifyou're if you're hard on the
brakes, or if you, if you coasttires, your tires, your tires

(01:41:13):
are going to wear.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
I mean, like I obviously understand that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
I mean, just I like cars, so like I understand those
sides of things, but that'swhere it's like, okay, it kind
of has to still stay in, purelyon the basis of well, this guy
rises, break hard, this guy ishard on tires.
Can you fault either of them,Cause that's just their style.
Like obviously you're nevergoing to have the same style

(01:41:37):
across the board.
So well.

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
So dirt track when they do it, when they have pit
stops or whatever they just like, freeze the field of caution.
Everybody goes down the pits.
You can take however much timeyou need I'm sure there's a
limit and then you all come backout and you get your same
position back.
It's not like you losepositions in the pits.

Speaker 1 (01:41:55):
But if you have an issue and you need to pit,
they're not going to do thatjust because one person has to
pit.
Oh no, if you have an issue,it's different.
Well, but technically, tiresworn is an issue, because of the
way you drove.
You now have this issue, soit's like I can't stop everybody
just because this one guy,because even then you would then
be requiring you'd almost haveto require everybody to pit at
the exact same time to have alevel playing field and that to

(01:42:18):
me is just another waste,because then you're stopping
action, like then it just goesinto the same thing in every
sport.
Right now that they're.
We're so worried about anotherthing I was talking about
earlier add another official.
I don't want more fouls,because then it slows the game.
I don't want more stoppages,because then it just slows, like
you're technically if you're aracing fan, you're there for the
racing you don't want to thenbe watching stops all the time

(01:42:39):
because there's, especially inracing, because it's going to be
.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
You have so much issue no, no, I, I get what
you're saying there, but I think, um, it wouldn't be to the
point that that you're sayingyou'd still have.
You know, guys that's got tomake their tires last, because
we don't get to get tires untilyou know so many laps from now,
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:42:57):
Um, well, but then it's a guy that is hard on tires
is immediately a disadvantagethan the guy that's hard on
brakes or hard on whatever else.
Like now you're sayingeverybody has to race the exact
same way, and that guy that'shard on brakes or hard on
whatever else, like now you'resaying everybody has to race the
exact same way, and that's partof what makes it interesting is
the different styles.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
Not really.
Well, that's the same thingwith pits.
You get different strategiesand things like that.
I don't like races.
One on strategy there's guysthat can save more fuel than
other guys and they can win bysaving fuel.

Speaker 1 (01:43:22):
That's just sports in general.
Everything's a strategystrategy oh it is.
So I'm like, well, if you'regonna take out strategy, why are
we competing?

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
well, no, because I want to see racing strategy.
I want to see your on-trackstrategy not, that's not you
able to save fuel longer thanthe other guy I just I hate it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
I mean, oh it is, but again, like that's that to me
is like saying we all have thesame playbook.
I want like that's how thatfeels to me like in basketball
you can't have this is how weplay.
Like that's how that feels,where it's like we can't game
play, but I want the strategy inthe driver, not the crew chiefs
, not the, not the guys behindthe wall.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
I want the driver, his driving strategy, to be what
makes him win the race.
Not because well, but the issuewith that is I.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
I have a buddy that went to the school for that and
he was talking about like hewent once and didn't realize
kind of what it was really like,because you know, when we're
living shelby, it wasn't thatfar for him to go over to
charlotte and go to that schooland he said you don't get hired
on unless you've been throughthat school like five times I'm
sure, because it's like they arebest of the best they are.
But the thing is every singleone of those guys are training

(01:44:23):
the exact same.
You're getting basically thesame person.

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
You are, but when you watch races.

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
That's not the same strategy which, again, it plays
a big part Then you're at humanerror You're talking about.
Anything can happen.
That's part of it.
But that to me is the samething, like I complain about the
kid at Carolina for a laneviolation.
You're recruiting betterteammates, you teammates.
You're recruiting better pitcrew you're recruiting better
whatever.
To me it's just part of thewhole.
It's what makes it interestingHuman error is what makes a lot

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of things interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
But they try to make racing out like it's a team
sport, and to me it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
I don't feel that it is at all, but pit crews when
you're on a racing team.

Speaker 1 (01:44:59):
The team sets up the car, the team does this.
Well, the jerseys out.
You've got a whole team behindthe scenes that does all that,
but they're not I agree, andthat's where that's a whole
different thing.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
That's my thing.
They're part of the business.
That's like saying you knowfive minutes of every quarter
you gotta put the managers outon the floor to play basketball.
That's kind of what I feel likewith the pit crew sometimes
that's what they should do inthe crown they should.
The crown should be mandatoryyour manager's got to play yeah,
they gotta play so many minutes, uh, but that's kind of what it
feels like.
A little bit I get what you'resaying, but that's probably

(01:45:29):
unpopular.

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
I just want to see the drivers.
I definitely think that'shugely unpopular.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
I'm sure it is.

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
I just think it's strategy at that point.
I've obviously watched someracing growing up because some
of my family does like it, butnot a media family, but some
cousins and stuff they wouldtalk about.
Arnherr raced a certain way,Gordon raced a certain way.
Some of these guys raced, butthat to me is just the same

(01:45:57):
reason.
That some tracks benefitcertain people better than
others is partly because theirstrategy on how they drive just
fits that track better.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
Agreed.
But now see, I don't mind thatagain because it's the driver
and it doesn't happen all thetime.
Again, I just hate.
You know, a guy has beenleading best car, best driver,
comes to the end, bad pit stop,getting the tire changed and
he's done, and it's just like.

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
Don't have a crappy team.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
Agreed, but I don't think it's a team sport.

Speaker 1 (01:46:24):
But jokingly it comes back into what we said.
These basketball teams that arelike, oh, we should have been
in, should have won, sorry, it'sone of those.

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
we could easily say that but that's not how I really
feel on it.
But again, you said shouldn'thave a bad team.
I don't think it should be ateam, so that's the difference.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
Well, so it is a team in the fact of.
To me, the team is not part ofwhat, what the ultimate sport is
, because if the only person weknow is the guy that drives that
number, it ain't the team.
Yeah, like I mean, and you cansay that a lot of sports, well,
you don't know the guys on theend of the bench, you're right,

(01:47:01):
but I know more than one person,like especially as a fan, like
you're gonna know several peopleper so this is kind of a team.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
It's two people.
Shouldn't golfers, caddies, bemore known, because they play
such an important part in thegame?

Speaker 1 (01:47:16):
I think that depends on the level of fan you are.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
You don't think they should be on TV, like because
they're a huge part of they'reon TV a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:47:24):
Like anymore, like the discussions are a bigger
thing.
They're like.
They're calling caddies bynames.
They're putting out how muchthe caddies made that year.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
Like it has become a much more popular thing.
It should be, because they haveso much say in it.
That to me feels a little bitdifferent though, because those
are literally like contractedpeople.

Speaker 1 (01:47:44):
I mean they're getting.
They will talk about whatpercentage they're going to get
with winnings.
They're going to literallydiscuss every shot with you.
It's more than just I hand youa club and I keep stuff clean,
yeah Like.
It's literally like hey, youremember when we walked this
course on Monday and we said wedon't want to be in that spot.

(01:48:07):
Well, if you go with this club,we could be in that spot.
It's like talking you on andoff?

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
What percentages are you seeing caddies get there
right now?
10%, is that a high?

Speaker 1 (01:48:14):
I think 10 is kind of the running, so a really good
caddy makes more.

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
But I think that's the base.
Aren't caddies more than 10%involved?
I don't think they should beequal, but I think they should
be more than they are.

Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
They're very involved but it still comes down to the
player to make the shot.

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
Their talent, they're kind of the coach of a
basketball team right, If youwalk out?

Speaker 1 (01:48:34):
to the course with me and you say I think you should
hit this.
I mean, you've played with me alot.
You kind of know what club I'mgoing to hit in different areas.
I think you should hit thisWell, this well, when I chunk it
five yards.
Just you gave me the right club.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
You did all the right stuff, but I failed.
Well, don't you feel?
Isn't that like a basketballcoach?

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
like a coach tells you what to do, how to do it,
you gotta go do it no, notexactly, because there's a lot
of instances with a, with agolfer hey, I really think you
should hit this nine.
You know they say like aknockdown nine, meaning I'm
keeping it lower, I'm trying tohit it through the wind,
something like that.
I think you should hit aknockdown nine, but a golfer is

(01:49:16):
going to say, nope, I don't wantto Like.
The vast majority of the time,if you're a coach and a player,
you don't get that option.

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
Like you're going to get benched, there's going to be
more repercussion to it wherethe player may say I agree,
that's a good shot, but I feelmore comfortable doing this.

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
And they're going to make their own decision because
ultimately it's them thatmatters.
No, I think the players arestar, but the caddies more than
people make out.

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
No, listen, I think caddy is super, super important.
I think it's what makes them alot better.
But I also think the caddy cando a really good job and the
player could still fail.
The caddie could do horribleand the player's still
successful, because ultimatelyit's all on the player, Like if
that caddie is the best caddiethere is, but the player plays

(01:50:01):
bad all year and he's no longeron tour.
It's not the caddie's fault.

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
I think you just described North Carolina
basketball.
That's relegation, I mean it'svery different.
And you just described NorthCarolina basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:50:12):
Terrible coaching and they finally just won some
games.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
No, he's a great coach and bad players, just
couldn't get it done.

Speaker 1 (01:50:17):
I don't think we have a great team at all and I
definitely don't think coachingis helping.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
Well, them getting in the.
If they're going to have atournament play like they did,
you're probably stuck for awhile with Hubert Davis.

Speaker 1 (01:50:26):
They've already signed him an extension.

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
Yeah, but they could get out of that if they wanted
to.

Speaker 1 (01:50:30):
He signed a top five guy and they're like, oh, we
keep him.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
They could get out of that if he'd done horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
But he's there now.
Here's the thing you want.
To pay enough money, you canalways get out of anything when
it comes to sports.
Some of the stuff we've seen.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
People pay it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:46):
Oh, they do, but if you want rid of somebody, bad
enough, it's like it's worth it.
In the end is the businessdecision worth it?
Yeah, it's worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
Just because I don't know and I don't want to bore
everybody too much about this,but like the caddies they have
contracts.
Can you buy out a caddy if youwant their caddy?

Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
I don't know the ins and outs of contract, but we see
hirings and firings here andthere so it sounds like contract
ain't much.
If they can, I don't, I don'tthink there's really any buyout,
because it's not like they can.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
They're not a controlling interest, I'm just
thinking like if you know scottyscheffler's caddy and he's
number one, like hey, come here,I'll pay you more scotty's
caddy ain't going nowhere, no.
But I'm like hey, I'll pay youmore if you come help me.

Speaker 1 (01:51:23):
But you got to think who's going to win as much as
Scotty Scheffler does.
You're not going to get thepercentage.
No, I just guarantee money.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
Is there any caddies that get guaranteed money?
No, is it all off-ownings?

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
Yeah, because here's the thing If you're guaranteeing
X amount of dollars and youdon't make X amount of dollars,
you don't have to pay, so thenyou're in a bad spot.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
You can pay it out of your pocket until you start
getting better, I guess most ofthose guys don't have any money.

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
It's all coming from sponsors and family.
Yeah, most of those guys that'show they make it is off of
somebody else's dime.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
Yeah, I think it's kind of a payback we've talked
about that you can get intocollege especially we talk about
girls.
You know you can get a uh seewhen's bothering you too.
Um, you can get um like fullride and golf, into colleges
like that.
But to break into, you know theon tour and things like that,
it takes some dedication, ittakes some, some money backing.

Speaker 1 (01:52:16):
That you've got to be able to get after it oh, I mean
a friend of ours, connor who,who works for cobra currently
and he's he's doing the pro golfstuff and he's going that whole
route and he's like, honestly,it's easier to try to play in a
monday qualifier and make a protournament that way than it is
to basically go through theirminor league, which is the corn

(01:52:36):
fairy tour.
He's like those guys are sogood there's no money in it.
You have to have so much moneybacking to be able to make it.
Yeah, all these guys areshooting like 10 under on
regular courses.
How do you make it through?

Speaker 2 (01:52:50):
that it's not one of those things.
You can, you know, have apart-time job to live off of and
still play golf.

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
It's a full, and that's I mean.
We talked like you said beforethe thing.
You were talking to Connor theother day and he's like what
else do you do?
And he's like I play golf.

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
Like that's.
He's like I do this some on theweekends and I play golf, but I
could see why.
If you don't have thatfinancial backing, you've got a
short amount of time to eithermake it or don't, or give up.

Speaker 1 (01:53:15):
You've got a very small window, yeah, but that's
the thing If you couldtechnically be really really
good.
Golf's one of the hard thingsbecause there's so much to it,
You've got to have so manydifferent things.
It's not just basketball.
If you're super, super athletic, you can make it Football.
If you're super, super fast,they can usually find a spot for
you, because it's something youcan't do.

(01:53:38):
Golf and I would say probablybaseball too.
There's just so many littleindividual mechanics and you
have to have all of them.
There's no, I can just do thisand make it.
You have to have all of them.
There's no, I can just do thisand make it, like you have to be
able to do a little bit ofeverything.

Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
I wish there was a way golf could fix that to help
where it doesn't take so muchmoney to get in, give more
opportunities, and I don't knowwhat that answer is, I think the
best way to do it is thesmaller levels have to be able
to pay more.

Speaker 1 (01:54:03):
So the guys that are actually placing high enough
that money is covering the restof their year expenses.
You know Corn Ferry.
If you win three times on theCorn Ferry you're automatically
in the PGA Tour.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
We should do a PGA Tour draft, like college players
, whatever.
Just you can draft 10 everyyear to just put them on tour
because they were good, I don'tknow.

Speaker 1 (01:54:22):
Be the same people every year, well, probably.
It would just turn into hey, Ilike that guy, I don't want him
to go yeah, probably so.
Even if he was horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
Or give, I don't know .
I don't know how you do itagain, but it'd be great to see
more opportunities there.

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
Golf's a very weird sport and it's never going to be
a true mainstream type thing.

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
TGL has a better chance of being mainstream than
regular golf, does'm telling you, I got it just does.
At first we was kind of on thefence, but I've got into it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:53):
I hope it stays around.
I think at the very least weget one more year.
I don't think they'll not atleast give it two.
I think it goes longer but Ithink we at the minimum get two
still primetime espn number like.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
I think at the minimum we get that I feel like
it's been a success for thefirst year.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
I know it's had some things, but it's the first year.
So league-wise, yeah, I thinkit has success.
But we all know money rules theworld it's going to depend on.
Did it do the numbers accordingto them?
That's where it really matters.
So I don't know.
Yeah, when you put that muchmoney into something, let's all

(01:55:29):
be honest.
Tiger Woods and Rory they gotit.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
Well, they do, but they're not going to lose it.
They've got to say, hey, we'vegot to make this back.
I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
But they're also partly owned I think 20% by the
PGA Tour.
So there's again money backingthere.
It's all a product.
So there's again money backingthere Like it's all a product.
So again, that's why I hate thewhole thing of well, why is TGL
more popular than Live?

(01:55:59):
It's backed by ESPN and the PGATour.

Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
Like it's got the backing of everything.
Honestly, it's when it comes onTV, 100%.
That's what helps it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:05):
Yeah, I did see some people talking about TGL or,
excuse me, talking about Liveand their biggest tournament of
the year.
The final day only had like55,000 viewers.
And I'm like yeah but that waslast year when they were on
YouTube.
True, they didn't have a dealwith anybody.
It's a little different beingon Fox.
Fox is a big network.
Again, I don't think they'llever be PGA Tour, but I think

(01:56:29):
they'll grow and they'reeventually going to come back
together.
We all know this.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
I'm sure they will.

Speaker 1 (01:56:34):
We know that's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
That's probably what's best.
Hey, let's keep them separate,like back in the day wrestling
the NWO and WCW.

Speaker 1 (01:56:41):
They were the same company.
That was WWF and WCW.
Nwo is just a group, yeahthat's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
When NWO came on WCW, it was all owned by WCW but
they were still separate.

Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
Still, it was two different companies.
They just slid over to do thething, so you still have to have
the company name be different.

Speaker 2 (01:56:56):
No, no, no.
Put them all back on tour, butyou still got Liv versus the
tour.
That's what I want to see.

Speaker 1 (01:57:04):
I think there'll be animosity forever.
The guys that left, that tookthe money, animosity or jealousy
, animosity, because some of theguys had no sense to leave.
They were making that kind ofmoney.
It just wasn't off the play, itwas off the deals they were
getting.
It's really hard for me tolisten to Rory talk about he's

(01:57:25):
upset.
Some of these guys left forthis kind of money.
Not everybody's getting thedeals that you get through Nike
and through.

Speaker 2 (01:57:28):
TaylorMade.

Speaker 1 (01:57:29):
You are making so much money outside of golf.
He got that money too.
You've got guaranteed money.
It's just coming by a differentway.
So I have a hard time in anyhuge professional athletes
talking about we don't makeenough, like really, let's talk
about the dudes that work 100hours a week.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
They don't make enough.

Speaker 1 (01:57:51):
Like that's a whole different ballgame.
I'm with you there, that's hardto listen to, so I don't know
if you've looked at it at all.
Wnbas apparently claim they'regoing to go on strike because
they need more money.
Oh my gosh and this is not mesaying anything about women's
basketball but the leaguedoesn't make money, so how can

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they pay more money?

Speaker 2 (01:58:13):
That's what it's all about.

Speaker 1 (01:58:15):
That's what drives me nuts If you're not making money
?
Theoretically, we should haveshut it down a long time ago.

Speaker 2 (01:58:21):
You're right, they're 20-something years old in the
red every year we talk about GLeague basketball and all that
stuff.
Right red.
Every year we talk about GLeague basketball and all that
stuff.
If you're not making money, youcan't pay money.
It's nothing to do with women.

Speaker 1 (01:58:31):
The G League.
It is a direct subsidiary ofthe NBA.
It's their minor league.
So they're like alright, fine,we will front that money, but
the WNBA was supposed to be itsown separate league.
Nba will fund it for a fewyears, so it gets on its feet
and then they'll do their ownthing.
Well, for 25, 26, however longit's been around, the NBA pays

(01:58:58):
everything, just pays it all.
So to me, how do you say well,we need more money.
It's not like they're notmaking money.
The base salary is like 80grand a year.
That's more than most peoplemake.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
You know from owning a small business, I want to make
more money.
Sure, I go make the businessmake more money.
That's the only way you do it.
Like you can't just demand moremoney, Like that doesn't make
sense.

Speaker 1 (01:59:18):
Well, so partly to me again, outside looking in WNBA
was becoming something when Iwas a kid.
So I don't really remember thestart of it, I don't really
remember any of that side of it,but it almost to me feels like
it tried to grow to be what theNBA is before the money was
there to grow what the NBA isLike.

(01:59:40):
The NBA when it was foundedobviously was very, very small.

Speaker 2 (01:59:43):
You have to be entertaining enough to get more
viewers, more fans to come togames, more fans to buy
merchandise.
That's the way you get moremoney.
And if you can't do that, like,stop worrying about striking
stuff, go out here and try tomake money.

Speaker 1 (01:59:56):
Push your stars, do more, and it's just like you
said, running a small business.
If we want to make more money,we have to do more things.

Speaker 2 (02:00:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:00:10):
So I'm sorry that the NBA guys don't have to go put
themselves out there andbasically market themselves as
much.
But until you get there, you'vegot to put the work in Exactly.
Basically, you put all thiswork in to make it pro.
Now you've got to put work inon the image side of things to
get there.

Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
That's what I think.
Stop complaining about it andgo make the business more.

Speaker 1 (02:00:27):
I mean that's what I think, Stop complaining about it
and go make the business more.
I mean, that's my onlycomplaint.
Like again.
The big thing, you see, is likeAngel Reese everywhere.
Angel Reese is not a goodbasketball player, she's just
not.
I mean they have some very,very talented basketball players
in that league.
I mean, I'll 100% say it, Idon't feel like she's one of

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them.
No, I don't either, but that'sthe one right now.
That's kind of the poster childof we're not afraid to go
strike, okay.

Speaker 2 (02:00:58):
Bye.
I don't know what else to sayto that.
I don't know how that's goingto help them, is the thing.

Speaker 1 (02:01:01):
It won't.
I mean, basically they'retrying to leverage the NBA to
get more money, that's what Iwas going to say In my mind.
The NBA shouldn't give themmore money?

Speaker 2 (02:01:10):
So that's what they want the NBA to pay it Pretty
much Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:01:12):
Because I mean, who else would pay it?

Speaker 2 (02:01:15):
That's what I was wondering they're owned by the
NBA.

Speaker 1 (02:01:17):
They're operated by the NBA.

Speaker 2 (02:01:20):
They're funded every single year by it, but a player
gets paid by their team owner.

Speaker 1 (02:01:25):
technically, that's who they work for partially well
, so they work for the nba aswell.
Like part of the money they getis the the revenue share of the
actual league itself.
So yes, and again, the wbacouldn't do that because there's
no money to share.
Like so obviously couldn't dothat, which is fine.
Like but, it's.

(02:01:45):
They've got to get to a pointwhere it does make its own money
I think you're like me too.

Speaker 2 (02:01:50):
Like I'm pro women's sports, I want them to succeed.
I mean, I've got a daughterplaying sports.

Speaker 1 (02:01:54):
I I just got done helping coach a girls basketball
team like yeah if I, if Ididn't care about girls, which
again the reason the whole issueof you know boys and girls
sports, why it's such an issue?
It's it should be its own sport, like it should be a thing I'm
fine with.
I think it's great everyonelike the same reason.

(02:02:15):
I'm all for special olympicsand paralympics and all these
things.
Those guys and girls could notcompete against you know, if you
don't have legs, you can'tcompete against somebody that
does have legs in a runningcompetition.
It's two different things.
I'm all for there beingsections for it.
That's cool, it should be.

(02:02:36):
Women should have their ownleague.
But any business, it's got tomake its own money.

Speaker 2 (02:02:42):
I would love to see the WNBA be more successful, get
more talent, get more fans, allthat but you can't just strike
and ask for it.

Speaker 1 (02:02:52):
You've got to do things to make the league better
.
You've got to figure out thereare ways to make it better.
They've just got to figure outwhat the best ways are yeah, and
maybe it's whoever's leadingthe WNBA.

Speaker 2 (02:03:02):
I don't know who that is.

Speaker 1 (02:03:03):
whoever the commissioner, whatever, Couldn't
tell you who leads it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:06):
Maybe they need to make some changes there and get
some things done.

Speaker 1 (02:03:08):
I mean, I know they've had several and you know
, obviously Kaitlin Clark haspushed the WNBA massively.
People have really gottenbehind her, but she plays good
basketball.
Like I said, they've got somegood talent.
It's just they also have sometalent and it's the ones that
are the loudest, that aren'tvery good, that are saying we

(02:03:30):
need this we need this.
It's like that just gets old.

Speaker 2 (02:03:33):
No, I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (02:03:34):
If the NBA was doing the same thing, I have no issue
saying the same thing about them.

Speaker 2 (02:03:38):
It's just they make money.
I haven't watched the NBAbecause I don't care for the
product, but they're makingmoney.

Speaker 1 (02:03:44):
That's how they're able to pay, obviously, I mean
look at jersey sales, Look atticket sales, look at everything
.
The money is there for them.
That's why these guys keepgetting pay raises.

Speaker 2 (02:03:52):
I cannot believe what it costs to buy a jersey.
It is crazy.
Jerseys are outrageous andpeople buy them all the time.
Yeah, I couldn't do it.
I mean I'd have to be all in.

Speaker 1 (02:04:07):
I like the T-shirt jerseys.
I guess you have a T-shirt andit's got the name on the back
and the number.
I like those.
I think they're cool, but thoseare also like $30.
I'm okay with doing that.

Speaker 2 (02:04:18):
I don't know what makes a jersey so expensive,
other than I guess that's whatyou see on TV.

Speaker 1 (02:04:22):
maybe it's the replica of what those guys are
wearing.
It's kind of like to me you'vegot to be a hardcore fan to be a
jersey person.

Speaker 2 (02:04:30):
Yeah, Like it's just not.

Speaker 1 (02:04:33):
I'm a hardcore fan of sports.
I'm just not going for jerseysAll right, here's a tough
question.

Speaker 2 (02:04:38):
Okay, can you wear a jersey anywhere other than a
game?

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
I think you can, should you.
I mean, that's up to you if youwant to like.
I mean buddy mine in highschool wore a different jersey
almost every day, did he?
And it was kind of just like I,yeah, okay, I didn't, I didn't
care as a grown man can he stilldo it?
If you want to.
I mean, do you look at it?

Speaker 2 (02:05:00):
go I guess to me like I just don't care you don't
care, okay, so no, I mean somepeople just really I'm not a
jersey person never have been,never will be.

Speaker 1 (02:05:07):
but I care, like that's what you like and you
want to wear it Cool.

Speaker 2 (02:05:10):
I don't have the physique to wear a Jersey.

Speaker 1 (02:05:13):
Oh, but you're going to blow away in this wind.
Don't get me started.

Speaker 2 (02:05:16):
This is some strong wind.
Sorry, I feel like I had to gothere.

Speaker 1 (02:05:22):
You've made that one too easy.
You're asking about physiqueand you're talking about getting
blown away.
I'm just you know, I'm justhere, so I don't get fined.
I'm just here so I don't getfined.
Oh, I am excited.

Speaker 2 (02:05:33):
Next couple days lots of basketball, Very excited
about that I got a lot of work Ineed to do the next couple days
.

Speaker 1 (02:05:41):
I'm afraid I'm going to get nothing done.
I'm not even afraid of that, Iguarantee you, I'm not going to
get anything done.
Like it's this time of year,I'm just excited.

Speaker 2 (02:05:46):
So these two well, two days like work days, like
Thursday and Friday.
You know you have the weekendthe same way, but then next week
it starts letting up a littlebit because there's less games.

Speaker 1 (02:05:55):
There's less games.
So, yeah, the first week'salways the hardest because
you've got round of 64, round of32.
That's just a game on.
That's what I love aboutconference tournaments, like, if
you just want to watchbasketball, there is a game to
watch.

Speaker 2 (02:06:13):
I like that.
I usually get to where I startwatching them and then I kind of
go on to halftime, I switch tothe other one and then I get to
a point where I can watch theend of all of them.
I just go to the end, the end,the end, the second half or
whatever.

Speaker 1 (02:06:24):
To me it depends like if it's a good game between two
teams, regardless of the seed,I'll get sucked into it yeah
even if another game may beending, if it's not, I can say
depends on how close it is if,like I, were just seeing it back
and forth, back and forth, likeI will stick to that one and
just stay um.
But yeah, if you get ones likeyou start to stretch it out to
you know eight or so, then Istart flipping.

Speaker 2 (02:06:46):
If it's like we're having lead changes every five
seconds, yeah, I know I'm, I'mstaying there yep, this is a fun
time I'm excited about it, butthat wind's getting a little bit
colder I put on a hoodie beforewe started and it was kind of
too warm for the hoodie.
But I knew what I was going tobe, because last week I got too
cold well, but the issue is now.

Speaker 1 (02:07:08):
It's late, but I'm kind of hungry.

Speaker 2 (02:07:10):
You know I'm starving .

Speaker 1 (02:07:11):
I knew you were going to say that I was thinking.

Speaker 2 (02:07:13):
I was like you know that place.

Speaker 1 (02:07:14):
I said that had a terrible grade.
If I need to comment about foodright now, I guarantee you
where he is.

Speaker 2 (02:07:18):
Oh, I've been sitting here getting hungry anyways,
but I was thinking, that place,I said, had a terrible grade,
they never sound good, I'm readyto go.

Speaker 1 (02:07:25):
Especially not after that grade.

Speaker 2 (02:07:26):
Well, it went up.
Actually, I think it went up tolike a 96.

Speaker 1 (02:07:30):
I was there not long ago.
That was a pity.
96 is all that was I feel badfor you.

Speaker 2 (02:07:34):
They're getting ready to shut you down.
We got to make it go up, maybeso.

Speaker 1 (02:07:39):
I don't know.
Well, listen, we tried to makeit a whole episode without
talking about food, but you allknew it was going to get there
eventually.

Speaker 2 (02:07:47):
Our two favorite topics.
I said that College basketballright now, and food, food and
sports.
If you ever ask me, you knowyou say what's your two favorite
topics right now.
One of them is going to rotate,you know, depending on how
college football is going on.

Speaker 1 (02:07:59):
Depending on the season, depending on the season.

Speaker 2 (02:08:01):
You know what am I into at that moment.

Speaker 1 (02:08:11):
But the other one is always going to be, always gonna
be food.
I just like food.
If you've seen me, you know Ilike food.
You know I have to ask rightwhat.
You're worried about gettingblown away by the wind, and
you're talking about how muchyou love.

Speaker 2 (02:08:16):
Well, so what's funny is I'm definitely overweight.
Okay it's, it's definitelyoverweight, but I don't think
I'm like huge no, no, no I'm notsaying you're saying, you're
huge, but this is not.
There's room in this chairbeside me.

Speaker 1 (02:08:29):
Okay, this isn't 100 mile an hour wind.

Speaker 2 (02:08:31):
Well, it feels like it.
Okay, it's like 12.
I don't like cold at all, andthis is cold wind, so you know
what just?

Speaker 1 (02:08:40):
where's the mute button?
hardest, part 70 is 76 today Iwas, and then it's gonna be in
another couple hours 30 sothat's part of the issue.
That's weird, but I will sayhaving a lot of fun.
Appreciate all you guys.
We're seeing again more, moregrowth, more, more listeners,

(02:09:01):
more and more social media stuff, more more kind of everything.
Um, again, shout out to theguys, if you're that came and
talked to us before the show gotstarted.
I will say this In the nextcouple of weeks, we will
probably have a third voice onhere.

Speaker 2 (02:09:16):
Yeah, I think we just get a rotating voice.
We don't need to be every week.

Speaker 1 (02:09:21):
No, we definitely won't have a guest every week,
but especially as we get intosome warmer weather and some
nicer weather and a lot morepeople are moving around, we've
got a few ideas of the first fewpeople we're going to have on,
but I won't for sure say nextweek.
But I'd like to have somebodyfor next week.
Possibly I've got a couple ofphone calls.

Speaker 2 (02:09:41):
We'll give them 10 minutes or so.

Speaker 1 (02:09:43):
Depending on the people, I'll make it five Again.
I can mute really quickly.

Speaker 2 (02:09:49):
At some point we're going to go.
It's not hard.
Yeah, I just want to hearmyself talk again.
I'm tired of listening toeverybody else.

Speaker 1 (02:09:54):
Yeah, I mean, that's why I want to have some guests,
just because it changes it up,but at the same time, give
another point of view.
Why not?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:10:08):
And again we, we got some buddies that I think it'd
be really fun to have on.
I told you I wanted somebodyelse to argue with.
I got to argue about the moonlanding.

Speaker 1 (02:10:10):
You argued so freaking much I did.
Oh, I almost forgot.
I have something for you.

Speaker 2 (02:10:15):
Oh my gosh, I found it today.

Speaker 1 (02:10:17):
What'd?
You find and if I had to see it, so did you.
So here you go, let's see whatdo we got here.
You know, the lights went off.
I can't even see this.
It did go off.
Oh my God, is that school upnorth?

Speaker 2 (02:10:32):
So I found that today , two different times, yeah, I
say, throw it in the trash.
I tried to put it in the trash.
Throw it in the trash.

Speaker 1 (02:10:37):
I showed it to Amanda when she came out here to pick
up the boys, because they gotdropped off here today, and
she's like why do you have that?
And I was like not by choice,somebody left it.

Speaker 2 (02:10:45):
I don't know.
You seen that video where theguy they hit the golf ball and
the other guy pulls out ashotgun and does like skeet
shoot with a golf ball.

Speaker 1 (02:10:51):
That's what we should do with that one.
No, I just throw that away.
I don't even want to dignify itby shooting it.

Speaker 2 (02:10:57):
You don't want to shoot it, put it in the trash.

Speaker 1 (02:11:02):
Well, okay, I guess Appreciate you guys again having
tons of fun, ready to keepgoing, Lots and lots of ideas,
but we hope to have you guyslisten again next week.
Hope that you reach out to usAgain, ask us some questions.
If you're going to argue, atleast have some kind of backing.
Other than I think differentlythan you.

Speaker 2 (02:11:25):
That's stupid At least have some kind of argument
.
That was my problem.
The arguments with the moonlanding on social media.
I didn't even know how to talkto these people.
The things they say don't makesense.
I had one guy tell me that itwas possible that the moon
landing happened because wedon't make cars like we used to.
That's why we don't have thetechnology anymore.

Speaker 1 (02:11:44):
Wait, what, that's a terrible argument.

Speaker 2 (02:11:47):
I'm like what I said.

Speaker 1 (02:11:48):
I mean, in a lot of ways we make them better.

Speaker 2 (02:11:50):
I said, yeah, we don't make them like they used
to.
That doesn't mean we can't.

Speaker 1 (02:11:54):
We don't.
We have that technology.
We chose not to because it'scheaper to do it the other way.

Speaker 2 (02:11:57):
Anyways, it's like midnight and if I get on this,
who knows where, some stupidstuff.

Speaker 1 (02:12:01):
But thank you guys for listening and we hope to see
you next time.

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