March Madness & Money Battles

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
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Yeah, we're going into it Spring, summer,
everything but you've gotten mefired up already.
Oh, you're fired up, you.
You asked me hey, what do youwant to kick off with?
And I didn't really have a, astandout item that I'm like,
yeah, let's just go with thisone and we'll kind of feed from
there, like we normally do.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Well, all I had was a name of something.
I hadn't heard of it.
I didn't do anything, I justbrought up.
Oh no, you did it.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
you knew what you doing.
I hadn't heard of it untiltonight.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yes, For good reason is what it sounds like.
Okay, listen.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
all I said was Go ahead and preface how you did
from before.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Okay, all I said was hey, I got this thing I saw in
the ad and I was going to lookit up and wanted to see if you
had seen what it was, because Idon't know what it is and it's
called college basketball crownyeah and so all of a sudden,
you're like going crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
I don't know what happened well, so I'm all
innocent over here I went andpulled up the website, okay, and
you asked me about it.
I'm like, all right, I haven'theard of this, let me go, let me
go check it out.
And if you haven't checked itout website, honestly, it's not
very well designed, to be honest, like it's just, it kind of
runs together.
There's one giant page butCollege Basketball Crown Trying

(02:29):
to figure out who's going toplay in this.
They said there's like twoBiggies, two Big 12, two of
another conference.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
It's a college basketball tournament that runs
from what?

Speaker 1 (02:39):
March 31st yeah, March 31st to April 6th in Las.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Vegas, so during the time of the Final Four and the
championship NCAA tournament.
Correct, so it's 16 teams thatdid not make the NCAA tournament
.
I think, like you said, two Big12, two Big 10, two Big East or
something like that that areguaranteed, guaranteed, and then
some committee.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
The rest are picked by committee.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
So that's where the teams are coming from.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Okay, it sounds cool.
You go watch the video on theirwebsite.
They have this really excitedgood music and they have this
good montage.
It sounds great.
It got me excited.
I was like yeah, this is cool,there are 68 teams in the NCAA
tournament.
In case everyone's forgot,there's this little thing called
the NIT.
Yep, basically, you're not goodenough to make the NCAA, so we

(03:24):
give you this secondarytournament.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
It's been around for a long time, and that's the
tournament we all make fun ofanyways, correct?

Speaker 1 (03:29):
And there's 32 teams in that.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
So if you go win the college basketball crown, we're
going to do this wholeproduction, we're going to crown
you.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
We're going to do all this so you can say hey guys,
we're number 101.
Yeah, pretty much.
What are?

Speaker 1 (03:51):
we doing so.
Yeah, we got 100 teams in um.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
It's an NCAA and NIT, there's 100, so we're gonna
take 101 through 116 and putthem in a bracket which already
is probably too many, but theone that wins, we're gonna crown
them.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
That's what it said.
You've've looked this up.
There's like 360-something,division I 352,.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
I think that's what I said last week 352, something
like that yeah, ncaa Division Iteams.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
We are making tournaments now for over a third
of them.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
It's participation trophies.
That's all that is.
That's what it is.
So We've got to make sureeverybody gets to play and feels
like they belong and gets atrophy.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Now Everybody gets to play and feels like they belong
and gets a trophy.
Now I understand.
For the NCAA.
They're thinking, oh, this ismore money.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Is that?
Who's doing it?
I don't even know who's puttingit on.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Well, they've got to have some kind of partnership
with it, because NCAA is goingto get their money somehow.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, it'd be their team.
We know how this goes.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
But Fox has a big hand in this.
T-mobile has a big hand in itAll.
Fox has a big hand in this.
T-mobile has a big hand in it.
All of the casinos in Vegashave some type of hand in it.
They've got sponsorship fromMGM Valvoline, ghost, the energy
drink company, I mean they'vegot some big names behind this

(05:02):
and they show all this greatstuff.
They even have a Crown Town FanFest in Vegas Friday, april 4th
.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, so is all this happening in Vegas All?

Speaker 1 (05:13):
of it's happening in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
I can promise you, I don't even think.
If someone called me and saidhey, I've got tickets to give
you for this.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I'll stay home.
What if you're a team that youknow didn't make the NIT NCAA
tournament and they call you out?
You're?

Speaker 1 (05:30):
an embarrassment If you accept this.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
You are an embarrassment.
There are some that won'taccept the NIT because of that.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Both of our teams in the past few years have decided
not to.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, I don't know why you would.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
I mean we saw Kentucky the one year that they
went and did it and got beat byRobert Morris.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, they had played in their gym.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
It was horrible.
Carolina a few years ago saidhey, we're not going.
So if the college basketballcrown calls, I'm definitely not
going.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Okay, so I'm looking this up right now.
So I'm on the NCAA, okay itblows my mind.
And again, this may not,obviously this may not be
exactly what the NCAA and theNIT pick, but right now, correct
the 101 ranked school in thecollege basketball NCAA Division
.
I is Troy From.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Alabama.
So they're going to go all theway from Alabama to Las Vegas to
potentially go win a tournamentand say we're number 101.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well, I don't have to go through all 16 here because
I don't want to bore you todeath.
Oh, of course not.
Let me tell you some teams thatmight be in this, based on this
ranking.
Okay, troy, I said St Louis who.
St Louis who From who From theAtlantic 10.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah who.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
We got Virginia from the ACC.
That would be good.
Loyola, loyola I can't say thatLoyola, loyola, chicago.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
So Virginia will decline that, because they just
came out today and said they'renot picking up the interim coach
as the head coach.
They're starting a coach search, so they're not going to do any
postseason.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
UAB Samford.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Are we taking the whole state of Alabama?

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Northern Alabama.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
We are.
I think You've had like threeAlabama teams so far.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Utah Valley, florida Atlantic.
I mean, I'm getting excited,listen.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
College Basketball Crown.
I'll post my number somewhere.
You want to give us tickets?
Call.
I'm giving them to Davidbecause I'm not coming.
Hey, let's go.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
This is ridiculous.
C-sun S-C-U-N.
I don't even know who that isfrom the Big West UNCW, from CAA
I don't know who that is.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
No, they're in the tournament.
Wilmington already won theirconference.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Oh, did they?
Yeah, they're in the NCAAtournament.
Okay well, they're ranked like103rd.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, 103rd, yeah.
So I'm currently looking at thebuy tickets tab on their
website.
Okay, $23.
$23?
, $18.
You are telling me that acollege basketball game in 2025,
a postseason tournament in LasVegas.
You can go that cheap.
It's not worth my time.

(08:01):
If I was in Vegas and I'venever been to Vegas- If I lived
close, I might do it just assomething to do.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
But they also host NCAA tournament games fairly
close to those areas also.
I'd much rather go to that.
Yeah, now you're going to pay10 times.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
It'd be a little cheaper.
At least 10 times for it, butthat I'm very annoyed by this so
I think if I'm like that topteam that gets picked, I'm going
, because we're just going torun through the tournament,
we're going to get crowned sokentucky, if, if you know,

(08:37):
they're like hey, you guys wantto come heck yeah let's go.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
We're running through this tournament we're going to
play the whole state of Alabama.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
No, it would kind of be embarrassing for a school.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
I think so I don't see a point in that.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
I hate to say this because you're a North Carolina
fan, but there could be severalACC schools in that tournament.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Well, yeah, but the ACC is horrible.
I know Now I will say this asof tonight.
Second round of the ACCtournament just happened.
Carolina beat Notre Dame by 20.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yep, they're still in .

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Per bracketology.
Per bracketology, which meansnothing, because this is Joe
Lunardi his stuff.
This is not an actual committeethat's putting these things out
.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
You're saying he doesn't know what he's talking
about.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Oh, sometimes he's lost his mind.
He gets off his rocker.
Sometimes A lot of things hesays are good, but there's some
things that he just I thinkforgets what he's supposed to be
doing.
So he currently has Carolina asthe last team in.
Now, when you go, look at thatas a Carolina fan, you're like

(09:39):
okay, that's not bad, 16 seedright.
No.
They're projected as a 12 seedcurrently, currently, but the 12
seed play-in game so they haveto play that.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
What is that like?

Speaker 1 (09:50):
a tuesday, wednesday, something again you were
getting an additional round, notsaying carolina's gonna go win
the tournament, but as a 12 or11.
Those are positions that youupset a lot historically.
Likeically, like when you dobrackets, we're always picking
either a 14, a 13, a 12, or 11to upset somebody, because it
just seems like it happens allthe time.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
But now you're making them play an additional game.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
I'm still with you.
I don't get it If you tell meyou're the last team in.
Okay, you're 16.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
That means you're a 16.
Or you're going to play in fora 16.
So, basically, they have twoteams that are 12, but we
couldn't decide which one's abetter 12.
Okay, then make the other one a13.
It doesn't mean to me that wesay, oh, let's go play in for 12
.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
I don't get it, you want to have four play-ins for
16?

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Cool, have at it.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
We talked about that a couple weeks ago, where they
want to add a few more teams.
I bet that'd be the same way.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Go to what was it?

Speaker 2 (10:45):
72, I think yeah, so we'll just get playing games for
like the eight seed orsomething, or I don't.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
I love college basketball and I love the ncaa
tournament, but I like just thelike 64 team bracket.
I don't, I don't need of things.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
I don't mind the playing games, but I'm like you.
It's weird what those teams areseeded once they win, or if you
lose you're out.
That doesn't make sense to me.
Well, it's on commercial at themoment, but we got the SEC
tournament up here.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Not a game worth watching.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
It's not, but curious because we love the NCAA
tournament.
We've been through this arounda little bit.
What are you thinking of theconference tournaments?

Speaker 1 (11:30):
So we've had a bunch of small tournaments already
finish Technically.
I guess your biggest one out onthe West Coast, gonzaga St Mary
, had a heck of a game lastnight, gonzaga, in typical
Gonzaga fashion, they won.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
So they're guaranteed in those conferences.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
But that conference is now going to get two St
Mary's the top 25 team.
They're not going to leave themout.
They've been good all year.
They've beat Gonzaga this yearalready.
So that conference is nowtaking two positions would
Gonzaga gotten in withoutwinning that?
It didn't look like it.
It was going to be very close.
It was going to be very, veryclose.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
See, that's weird to me, because for a conference you
want that other team in, forrevenue and notoriety, whatever.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Typically yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Do you ever think, okay, gonzaga's going to win
this game, because we want twoin, regardless of what happens?
No, you don't think it everhappens.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
So St Mary, who is an 18 seed, who's currently 18th
in the country before that game,has played Gonzaga more times
than they can count and can'tbeat Mark Few.
Mark Few has 20 conferencetournament championships.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
I'll just tell you, if I'm the commissioner of that
conference, I'm talking toofficials.
Whoever I'm going to say hey,if it's a close game, gonzaga
better win, because I want twoteams in the tournament.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
So what you're saying ?
You want a Kansas City Chiefsthis thing and get a second team
.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
I don't like it, but you know it happens and I would
understand completely why itwould happen.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
All right.
Well, let's go to my team.
Okay.
Currently ACC, they sayprobably getting three in A
shoe-in of Duke Clemson,louisville, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Well, like you said, North Carolina's still hanging
in there.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Do we say, well, so those are the guaranteed.
You know, carolina's kind of onthe edge right now.
Do we say to those three teamslet's go, let Carolina win,
let's guarantee a four.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
So it would be too obvious for them to win the
tournament.
But you might let them get acouple rounds or try to help
them.
Well, but if you look at thebracket.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
It wouldn't be crazy, because their next round is
against Wake Forest, the nextround is against Duke.
But it's a rivalry game.
It's not like saying it's justtwo random teams.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
But if they beat Wake Forest and play really good
against Duke and it stays closethey're in right, I think
they're in.
Okay.
So if I'm the commissioner, I'msaying okay.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
So then do you find a fifth?
Do you basically reach out andsay maybe we let SMU win it?

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Maybe we let, so it can't be egregious.
It's got to look like itnaturally happened.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Well, of all conferences, that's the one that
it could look more natural,because it's so wild.
Because, like the SEC, like Isaid, we're watching the SEC
tournament game right now.
The SEC is already getting somany teams.
It'd be hard for an outsider tobreak into that at this point,
because it's going to be a teamthat's been awful all year and
now all of a sudden they're justgoing to turn it on.
That's going to be tough.

(14:12):
So, of all conferences, I feellike the ACC would be an easier
one this year because it's not6-7 deep Right now, there's
three, maybe four, I mean.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
I could see North Carolina beat Wake Forest.
Tell the officials in thatDuke-North Carolina game hey,
let's make sure it stays close.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Cooper's got a foul on the first half Again.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
No, Some egregious stuff, I mean if North Carolina
goes into a reason by 20, okay,that was.
And you see how bad theofficials are.
You're going to say wait aminute, but if it's like, hey,
let's just keep it close, maybe,but it's not like it'd game.
we've seen like that, like andthen again I'm not going to
again.
I don't condone this, I'm justsaying I would see.
I don't want cheating but Iwould see where it would make

(14:50):
sense to some of theseconferences.
You sound like you're prettyclose to cheating no, I'm not
saying but I'm, we'requestioning it this way when
it's a business and you'retechnically not doing anything
wrong to get them there.
Um, I wouldn't help a team getto the finals and win, but if a
team happened to get there, I'dsay, okay, hey, let's.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Maybe we kind of look at it then.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, and again, we're not going to make them win
, but we're going to make itstay close to where they have a
shot to win, maybe somethinglike that.
I could see that happen in allconferences.
You know it happens Becauseit's all about money.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
It's a little harder to me.
In basketball it's really hard.
Can officials control the gameA lot?
Yes, but the pace of it it'shard for them to fully Like.
Football's a bit easier becauseit's a much slower pace.
Like you've got massive breaksin between every single play.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
I don't think you can go in and say, yeah, we're
going to make this team win, butyou can do some things to at
least make sure they're in it tohave a shot to win it.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
That's true.
That's true, Like I said, to anextent.
It's just basketball is alittle bit tough.
I'm kind of going through thebracket right now and there are
so many automatic qualifiersalready.
Like the tournaments feel likethey're the.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
the tournaments feel like they start earlier and
earlier, which again I love it Ihaven't even heard of.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
I love it, oh yeah, but I guarantee I could find
probably five or six teamsyou've never heard of from this
list, um, but you don't followcollege basketball kind of the
extent I do.
I don't just never have likethat's, it's not been you know
how many conferences there aretotal anymore.
No that's I know.
I have no idea Again.
Most of these conferences,though, are not really going to

(16:29):
be competitive across the board.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Would you have a guess, because I wouldn't even
know where to begin 1520 orsomething, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
You're probably talking You've got to think 64
or 68, get in, you've got.
I mean, there's probablybetween 18 and 23 conferences, I
think.
So Somewhere in that range ismy guess.
I've never really looked it upbecause there's so many small
conferences.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
So what's your final guess?

Speaker 1 (17:02):
We'll say 19.
I have never heard of these.
Oh, of course there's going tobe a lot you've never heard of
31.
31.
Okay, so yeah, but you've gotto think about like even one you
don't think of.
You don't think of Ivy League.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
I literally just read that.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
You don't think of what's the conference?
They're making it to thetournament, like every year now
Grand Canyon University.
They're in a conference thatpeople don't know of.
You've got what's funny?

Speaker 2 (17:30):
reading through these , I'm like, yeah, I've heard a
lot of these, but you neverthink of them.
But you don't think of thoseconferences because it's it's
teams that, unless you yeah,I've heard of Patriot but I
never think about that what'sher name that made to the final
four?

Speaker 1 (17:42):
was that the patriot?
Uh, george mason, that'spatriot, yeah, so you always
have some little things that youyou know about, you have like
acc that they're just nobodyteams.
Shut your mouth speaking ofthat, all right, I'm gonna say
this and I know he's gonnalisten because he texted me just
a couple days ago.
Okay, and I'm gonna say thisvery clearly my former friend,

(18:02):
oh, former oh, we, oh, we're infriendships here.
Out of the blue.
Here's the text I get.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
He says he leads this off.
So it has to be said.
I'm like okay, where's thisgoing?
He says Lady Gamecocks aregoing to take it all on the
women's side.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Duke men are going to cook everybody on the men's
side and then goes on to saythis didn't end there, like that
could have already been enoughto say.
And then says Bobby Hurley andChristian Laettner are the goats
.
Oh my gosh, Like oh my gosh.
And this is not Will, Becauseimmediately like we had this
discussion with Will.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
He's like that's the best point guard.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
I know who's the Gamecock fan.
I say, you know who thegamecock fan is?

Speaker 2 (18:47):
and he said, just they better be lucky that I'm
I'm not of age, I'd go out thereand beat all of them well.
So he was right about the women, right, didn't they win it?

Speaker 1 (18:52):
no, that term has not happened yet I'm talking.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
I was talking about the conference tournament.
Sorry, they won the conferencetournament they did just win
their conference.
Yeah, that's what I was talkingabout, um, but I didn't say
duke, duke's not gonna make 16,so he can kick that out of there
.
They're not even going to makeSweet 16.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
So per the bracket, right now, duke will play either
American or St Francis, becausethey have a 16-playing game.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, they might squeeze by that one.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
What they have after that currently, which a lot of
this is going to change.
We're going to see conferencetournaments change things.
We're going to see automaticqualifiers that will boost
people.
We few different things.
Currently they would play thewinner of UConn-Mississippi
State.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, they're done Right there.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
That's it.
I think we see Bobby Hurleyhave a meltdown.
I don't think UConn makes itout of the first round.
He has been on a differentlevel this year of where his
mind is at.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
We talked about that.
Once you win, Not only that,he's won two straight.
You win two straight.
Once you win, not only that,he's one-two straight.
You went two straight.
Now you just got to win.
So it's almost like he can'thandle not winning.
Now he's losing his mind.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Obviously he doesn't have the same talent on his team
that he did, but I also thinkthat conference got a lot better
.
That conference is fairly toughthis year.
Now I'll say this and I've saidthis to you.
Now I'll say this and I've saidthis to you I don't think
Mississippi State's very good.

(20:11):
I think that SEC has gotten soblown out of proportion to the
point where at one point they'relike there's going to be four
number ones out of the SEC.
It's never going to happen,like just really listen.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
At one time we thought it was going to.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
We could look back, though, and they won't let that
happen.
Four teams from the sameconference being a one just
wouldn't make sense, because oneof those well, three of those
teams would have to lose theconference tournament.
So a loss that close shouldn'tget your number one, in a way,
unless you're so far ahead ofeveryone else, which has not
been the case this year withanyone.

(20:43):
I feel the same way as SECfootball.
The SEC is so overrated.
Auburn, good team Alabama, goodteam Florida, they've kind of
been back and forth Tennessee.
I don't really think they'regoing to do much at all.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Okay, so let's clear this up.
We've got some hot takes righthere.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
I'm going to go on record and say Duke doesn't make
it to the Sweet 16.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
And you're going on record, I think the SEC may only
have two to three in the Sweet16.
Okay, of the potential 11 theycould get Of, like 11 they could
get in.
I don't see them going very far.
Yeah, but again, it's all goingto depend on the layout of the
bracket.
If you get sent out west andyou get this cupcake quadrant

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which, for whatever reason,feels like Duke always gets that
easy quadrant, they do and theyusually lose and they're still
going to lose.
Yeah, but if that was to happen, maybe you make it a little bit
farther.
Again, I think Auburn's verygood.
I think, regardless of theconference, you put Auburn in,
that is a good team Auburn'svery good I think, regardless of
the conference, you put Auburnin.
That is a good team, auburn'sgood.
They're going to be very, verytough.

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They're well coached, they playtough.
That's going to be tough.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
I'm going to disagree with you a little bit.
Outside of them, I just don'tsee it.
I'm going to disagree with you.
I think we see record numberSEC schools get to the Sweet 16,
lead eight.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
they're going to stay in until they start taking each
other out.
So I look at it, alabama couldlose first round.
I say this purely on the thingof Alabama.
It's threes Live and die by thethree.
They're going to live and dieby the three.
You hit it awesome, you don't.
And currently they have themlisted as playing the type of
team you don't want to play.
They've got them listed playingWofford and most people are

(22:23):
going to be like who the heck isWofford?
Well, I can tell you, SouthCarolina, they're the Terriers.
That's very fearful right.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
But that's going to be a team that probably has
eight or nine seniors that isgoing to play hard-nosed
basketball because they don'tknow anything else.
They're not going to be veryathletic.
They're going to slow the gamedown, hope to try to keep it to
like 60-60, and they're justgoing to play well.
That's that type of school.
I'm not saying Wofford is forsure that team, but that's the
type of school that you'regetting stuck with and you don't

(22:54):
really want that, not as afirst round.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
So I still think, like I said, the SEC is going to
have record numbers, but whenAlabama plays that way, it feels
like you could game planagainst that and I don't know
that Alabama can put the ball onthe floor and beat you so
Alabama's super athletic.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
But they keep beating people by shooting the three I
would say they're super athletic, but they feel like the early
2000s Duke, except they playbetter defense.
I'll say that they play betterdefense than the old Duke teams,
but we're going to shoot 53s.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
If we make 20, you can't beat us, can't beat us.
That that's how I feel aboutalbany, so I just think that's
gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
As annoying as those old duke teams, um no, but those
teams and it's funny because wewe literally had this kind of
discussion today will a buddy ofours who's a huge duke fan,
very high on that team this year, who says this is a very
different feel of a Duke team,which I, as a Carolina fan, I do
agree.
I would agree as well.
It's not quite that like God'sgift to earth type mentality

(23:56):
that I feel some of those teamsdid have.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Can I say this real quick yeah, hey, Will Kentucky
beat Duke.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
So I just want to remind you of that.
And Kentucky is will umkentucky beat duke.
So I just want to remind youthat.
And kentucky is not that goodof a team no, they're not.
So they're not at all.
You know, that was actuallysomething I read on espn today.
They said you've never seen ateam beat as many top 25 teams
that we can look and say theyhave overachieved greatly like
they, and they're still notcrazy, like they could have took

(24:22):
care of the teams that theyshould have beat now, but would
have crazy stats.
But I'll say this too, thoughSome of the top 25 teams they
beat was like Ole Miss andMississippi State, who, to me,
are not good teams.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, those are not good ball teams.
You don't like those SEC teams,so I get that.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
No, I just I think it's just diluted.
Some of these teams are like 8and 10 in the conference and
still ranked, and I'm like youcan't have 10 losses in
conference and still be rankedLike.
That blows my mind.
Because if you want to go backto good conferences like the ACC
12 years ago, 15 years ago,when they're like, hey, they're

(24:58):
going to get eight or nineschools in and they'd end up
getting like four or five, it'slike well hang on.
At the time, who, who?
Everybody said this is the bestcollege basketball conference
there is and you're going tolimit them.
And now we're like hey, sec,which it doesn't hurt to have
much ties to the ESPN, that theydo Exactly.
When ESPN and SEC are holdinghands and doing all the stuff

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they're doing, it helps.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
No other conference really has that.
Well, I was looking, I waslistening back to our podcast
last week because I alwayslisten to them, yeah, um, it's
funny because I forget somethings we talked about, honestly
, it happens.
Yeah, you just talk, you don'teven realize we kind of
mentioned how sec made a bigpush for coaches and when you
really stop and think about it.
There are some really goodcoaches in sec not saying
there's not in some otherconferences as well, but they

(25:43):
kind of loaded up.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
And I don't know how that happened.
It's weird to me, though, too,like a what is it Musselman that
was at Arkansas before Calipari.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, he went out west.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Fantastic coach.
The man wanted to go to USC.
I don't think he's done muchout there.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
They're awful.
Yeah, they are horrible.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
He was doing well.
He was doing very well atArkansas.
He is the reason that Arkansaswas like, hey, we need to go
find another good coach.
They felt like they were in aspot that they could do
something.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Couldn't you get well ?
Maybe it's California, I don'tknow, but couldn't you get
better players out there thanyou could at Arkansas?

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Fayetteville, arkansas.
I mean it just feels like youcould for many, many years had
some pretty strong basketballteams and they weren't getting
you know eight big time recruitsbut they'd get two or three
like really top tier recruits,um, but it's been a few years
since we've even seen like ajust a legit guy from there.
But yeah, I mean USC this yearafter they actually they're in

(26:42):
overtime right now in theconference tournament, but
they're 15 and 16 currently.
Yeah, like that's that's ahorrible year by terms of let's
try to go make a tournament likeit.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Just it doesn't work.
They're one of those teams thathave to win oh yeah, if they
don't.
If they don't win it, there'sno shot when is we talked about
being excited about selectionsunday?

Speaker 1 (26:58):
that's this sunday, right selection sunday is this
coming sunday?

Speaker 2 (27:01):
yeah, yeah're going to have to do something with
some brackets.
We'll have to put out somebrackets and maybe give
something away to a winner.
So the 16th yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
March 16th is Selection Sunday, so be on the
lookout on social media.
Next week, the SEC tournamentfinal.
That means absolutely nothing.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, maybe we can come up with a little bracket,
challenge or something.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Let me go ahead and break everybody's heart.
We're not giving away a millionlike ESPN says they will, oh
man.
Which no one's ever really comethat close.
But it has to be a perfectrecord.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
I just want to know can I win?
Because if I can win it's goingto be a great prize.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
No, you can't win.
Oh dang, okay, you're noteligible.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
There goes that idea.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Well listen, they're going to be there in the lead
eight still if they end upgetting 10, 10, 10 of 16 is
going to be okay I.
I think this is good, but ifthat happens, there's something
going on like that's weird yeah,obviously somebody's doing
something weird well, I mean Iagain, I don't think we see
which is rare, we don't see itanyways.
I don't think we even see twonumber ones in the Final Four,

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like there have been a fewinstances.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
We've seen two, three and four is extremely rare.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
I don't see us getting two.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
I think Auburn is the one, I think they're the one
that get there.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I kind of feel that way.
I mean I really do.
Now the SEC is going to grabtwo number ones.
They're going to grab probablyAuburn and Florida.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Well, I was going to say, is Auburn, and now, since
you brought up Florida, are theylocks, even if they get beaten
the tournament pretty quickly?

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Like locks for the tournament.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, no, no for number ones.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
I think so.
Yeah, I think they're basicallygoing to go off of what they've
done this season.
If I'm not mistaken, they havedouble buys in the sec
tournament, so they won't evenplay.
That's hard early.
That to me is hard because it'syou're still not game planning
for somebody, because there's somany games ahead of you that
you really don't, you don't knowyou're getting to practice,
you're getting to.
You know, do your run throughkind of stuff because at this
point in the season you knowwhat you do.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, but you know what you do well with that, even
if they lose their first game,it's like the third round.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, I would say the thing is, they did well enough
in the regular season.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
They're playing a third-round game, but I didn't
know if they could drop tonumber two, but I feel like
Auburn for sure.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
I think Florida could .
I think there's still a chance,because I think Florida's the
number four of the number ones.
I think the way it lookscurrently, they're kind of that
last one to do it kind of thetypical let's send you out west.
They're kind of the west regionnumber one currently.
So I do think that's potential,which right now.

(29:31):
They've got Carolina going outthere too, they've got Kentucky
potentially going out there, soit's going to be a mess.
I mean it really is.
I love it.
It's my favorite time of year.
I'm so excited for it.
So Sunday is one of those.
I watch some of the selectionstuff of other sports but like
this is one, I'll watch it whenit comes on until it goes off,
like I'll watch every minute.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
You know we've got our big projector stuff.
We'll have to put some games upout here and just come out and
watch some games.
Oh, we'll definitely have that.
I think it'd be a blast.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Well, because we have Cobra coming.
Cobra Golf is coming out to 4UGolf this coming Saturday, which
is the 15th.
15th, yeah, 15th.
We'll have tournament games onthen.
Yeah, there's conferencetournament games, like ACC
Finals.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
There'll be finals.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
We'll have some finals of a bunch of them.
I think Big 12 is that day, bigEast is that day.
Most of them are that day.
I can't remember exactly all ofthem, but most of them are that
day.
So, yeah, we'll definitely havegames on while we're doing that
, now calling for a little bitof rain, so that kind of keeps
the projector away.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
We'll put it right here under the pavilion.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
We got plenty of.
Tvs We'll make it work.
We will make it work, butsticking with basketball.
Did you see?
Your absolute favorite playerof all time went down with an
injury LeBron James.
Oh my God, he's going to be outfor a couple weeks.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Is this where?

Speaker 1 (30:50):
he got hit in the throat.
No this is an ankle.
This is an ankle, not thephantom throat chop from the
other night.
This has nothing to do withthat, but he is out currently.
I think they're projecting liketwo weeks, so he really just
need some time off, potentially,I mean two weeks it is how
LeBron has kind of treatedthings here lately.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Are you hurt or are you injured?
If you're only taking two weeksout, you're not that injured.
That's the way I feel about it.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
So I guess I'm a little bit opposite on that side
of it.
Again, I'll give LeBron crapmore than anybody.
But when you're 40 and you'veprobably destroyed your ankles
for what 35 of those years, theyjust don't kind of have the
bounce that they normally wouldas far as coming back healthy or

(31:38):
feeling like you're comfortableplaying on it.
So yeah, to me it's like maybetwo weeks makes sense.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Maybe they need an ankle doctor on staff and Brian
will get that joke there.
That's an inside joke.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Okay, because that one went right over me.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
I'm like what are you talking about?
That's for Brian.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Okay, because I completely missed that one.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
That's a Kentucky thing, because apparently they
brought in an ankle doctor atone point and everybody got hurt
ankles.
Nice yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Kentucky.
Y'all are dumber than I thought.
Jeez, I don't think the ankledoctor was working.
Nah, he was working, but Ithink he was working for.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Auburn or Alabama, or he was working for somebody.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Maybe I don't know, I don't know.
They hire him from Louisville.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
You know that could be it, patino, send him up there
, but he won a championship well, kind of got taken away, I'll
say he, he won a championshipand I remember that one well

(32:38):
because a bigger of my buddieswhen I was living over in shelby
.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Still, we did a a throw in 20 bucks type thing you
know, just like you know,between between friends and I
won that year you pickedLouisville, I did, I did.
I had them going all the way.
That was a tough Louisvilleteam though.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
So if I'm those buddies, if they're listening,
they get their money back.
They're calling for their moneyback.
You did not win.
No, I would have called you upthe day.
They took that away In themoment I won.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
That didn't get taken away until years later.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
I would have called you up and said, hey, I need my
money back.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
I get this text.
You owe me $20.
Because it was one of thosethings, I think I won like 140
or something.
There wasn't many of us, it waslike seven or eight.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
I can't remember exactly.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
So whoever had the team they beat, I don't remember
who.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Whoever has it, that's where the money goes.
Sorry, we're too far past.
Just a statue of limitations.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, I'm going to make one.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
I don't think there really is one on it, but I'm
making one on it.
Anyways, I pulled youcompletely away from LeBron 12
years ago.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, so LeBron's out Yay.
I mean it doesn't mean much.
I mean he had a few games whenLuka first got there, where it's
like, hey, it's a resurgence ofLeBron.
He's playing great defense.
There's no video here.
Great I use that word great andthere was air quotations.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Because LeBron's never played great defense,
unless it's a chase down blockfor a highlight.
But, he's played with a littlemore energy, Like he was kind of
excited and kind of where theteam is going, which was kind of
excited and kind of where theteam is going, which I
completely agree with.
I think they're on the righttrack with that trade.
And then it kind of slowlystarted to slow down a little
bit, and then again the man is40.

(34:14):
I'm not saying he should be thesame player.
He was 10 years ago.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
It's just not going to happen.
Did you see the confrontationwith Stephen A Smith?
Oh my gosh, he got mad aboutwhat he said about his son, I
guess, or something.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Listen, you're in the limelight.
Get over it.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
And so is your son now.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
You guys are out there in the biggest basketball
league in the world.
If somebody's going to talkabout you, you just have to
ignore it, period.
It's just the way it is Getover yourself.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Apparently he got mad because he talked about his son
.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Well, he made the plea of LeBron.
You've got to do something, putan end to this.
This is ridiculous, which it isit is.
I don't agree with much thatStephen A says he probably went
about it technically the wrongway, but he didn't say anything
wrong.
Bronny is not NBAba talent.
No, he's not.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
He's just not when you and I think he even said
this when you build your son uplike that for so long and say,
you know, before he ever got tonbl, he's the best player, he's
this, he's that, and then whenhe gets there, he's not.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Well then his you gotta deal with it.
Brawny's mama comes out here infive years he's going to be the
level of his daddy.
He's like what?
6'2"?
Yeah, if he was 6'9" built likehis dad, I would say, yeah,
he's got a shot, but he's not.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
No, you got to.
You know, don't put that onyour kids.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Send him to the college basketball ground.
That's a good idea, send himthere, send him there, let's see
what he does.
I think he would struggle.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
I don't even know when did he play at?

Speaker 1 (35:45):
He played at USC, usc , that's right.
I do remember that.
Now here's the thing.
It's a feel-good story.
I'll say this Because when hegot there, he had the heart
issues.
There was the whole thing.
Like we don't even know if he'sgoing to get and gets drafted.
Like I've said this before,like the NBA is the smallest

(36:07):
professional draft of everysport.
There are not many positionsand he got picked.
I don't think that's doing himany favors at all?

Speaker 2 (36:18):
None, Because he came in with expectations and he is
never going to meet thoseexpectations.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
There's no way he could ever live up to what
LeBron is.
It's never going to happen.
Same thing I'll say aboutCharlie Woods, tiger's son.
You cannot live up to what yourparent was.
Could you work really hard,potentially have a decent
professional career?
Absolutely professional career?

(36:49):
Absolutely.
To me, brawny stays four yearsaveraging 10 and 5, works his
way on to the end of a bench orpractice squad, makes a team,
gets a few minutes yeah, goodjob.
I'm impressed with it.
That to me I'm like he workedreally hard and got there,
didn't use his name, cool.
Now that's not the way thingswork anymore.
And again, I'm not even sayingthat Brawny did this Like I'm
not even sitting here thinkingthat Brawny is the push behind

(37:10):
this.
I 100% think it was LeBron 100%.
Yeah, and I'm sure in his mindhe thinks he's doing what's best
and they can play together, andthat's probably not what's
going to be best for his son'scareer, money-wise for him as an
individual, yeah, the bestthing was for him to go sign
that rookie contract, eventhough where he got drafted it's

(37:33):
not a very big contract.
But as an individual his dadcan get him connections for all
kinds of sponsorships and allthese things.
So, yeah, why wouldn't you doit?
Does he stay?

Speaker 2 (37:42):
in the league when LeBron retires?
No.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
I don't know that he stays even with him there.
I don't know they can, Becauseat some point JJ Redick as a
coach, how do you take thatroster spot?
Yeah, Like we got to leavesomebody in the D-League or we
got to yeah, again, it's a goodstory.

(38:10):
Brad I mean brad is brad islegitimately a lakers fan, yeah,
and I mean I know, listen,we've had that some of the
discussion.
I know his thoughts kind of onon brawny obviously it's.
He doesn't think this is a trueguy we're gonna make it with.
Now.
I will say brad is huge on jjreddick as a coach he's been
very impressed with him as afirst year.

(38:33):
Can't really say handling LeBron, because that's not really a
possible thing, but handlingthat roster, some of the
adversity that's been there.
I mean they've won 40 gamesalready.
It's not like they're a badteam.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Well, I've said it several times, I don't watch the
NBA and we've talked about it alot on here and I see things
going on.
I see things going on, I seeclips and I kind of keep up with
it vaguely, just trying to seewhat's going on.
And I find myself occasionallygoing yeah, I'm going to watch
an NBA game and just see if it'sdifferent than what I thought.
The last time I watched onewhich hasn't been real long, but

(39:07):
I don't follow it and I justcan't bring myself to do it.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
I'd rather watch something else right now.
It's a very different productand I've said this a couple of
times, both on and off podcast.
The NBA is not in a goodposition right now.
There's not a good fix.
I don't know what they canactually fix it with.
Analytics have really played ahuge, huge, huge part to where

(39:34):
I'd rather you take 10 threesthan make five twos, because the
potential is it's worth more.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
And even then I'm not even saying that Curry fully
ruined that or that the Warriorsfully ruined it they didn't
hurt or, excuse me, they didn'thelp Like that, definitely
didn't help the cause.
They showed you can go win achampionship by shooting it from
deep.
I mean, Splash Brothers didtheir job.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
They did what they were supposed to Well, you know
when they were doing it.
It was fun to watch, I enjoyedit, but not every team was doing
it yet Exactly.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
They were kind of that pioneer of.
These guys are going to goscore 50 or we're going to lose
by 30.
But these guys are such goodshooters you can't stop us in a
seven-game series.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Well, Will brought up the Celtics today he did and
that's what I think.
I think there's going to besome other coach out there that
says, hey, we don't haveshooters, we've got to find
another way, and it's going tokind of make that turn again.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
I feel like sports kind of go through these spells
at times, turn again.
I feel like sports kind of gothrough these spells at times.
I don't think this is where theNBA is going to stay forever.
I don't think, the three beingthe only shot.
I mean, we've watched some ofthese blooper clips of it's been
ten possessions, there's beennine threes and only one hit.
I don't think we're going tosee that.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
But I think something is going to change where it's
like.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Okay, obviously, and will said it really well today.
Currently no team has has put adefensive scheme together that
actually stops what's happening.
As soon as something is figuredout and everybody kind of buys
into that, then I think we startto see a more well-rounded I
don't think they want to.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
I think the league wants the high scoring so.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
So the league of course wants high scoring
because they think the fans wantthat, but the league also
doesn't really know what thefans want, because they don't
listen.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
So are we speaking for the fans, Like we don't have
an NBA team close by?

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Charlotte's our closest.
Yeah, they suck.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
But do NBA like, yeah , this is fun, we want to see
this.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
I don't think so.
I mean as a basketball fan, andI'll say this because whatever
the NBA does trickles downeverywhere, whether it's in the
college, whether it's in thehigh school, everything it
trickles down.
The trickle-down effect is huge.
So I don't think as a truehardcore basketball is my

(41:52):
absolute favorite sport.
I don't think it's good forbasketball, not as a whole.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
I enjoy college sports way more than
professional, especiallybasketball and football.
But I know somebody fromFlorida area, big Miami Dolphins
fan watch NFL, love NFL.
Don't watch college football atall.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
And that just blows my mind.
Well, so I mean, just look atthe TV numbers.
There are more people thatwatch NFL than there is college
football.
It's just the way it is.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Sometimes I think I'm missing something.
Maybe if you have a team thatyou're passionate- about.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
I think to me when it came to the NFL or the NBA, if
I lived closer to one where Icould feel like I could just go
to those games, Be part of it, Icould be like kind of in closer
to that town and feel like morejust like a real part of it.
Maybe that would help.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
And all those teams are in usually bigger cities
that have a ton of people, somaybe that helps?

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Oh, of course, of course.
But I'll say this too Like Iwas born in Dallas, texas, too,
like I was born in dallas, texas, my, my family didn't live
there long, when I was a kid,obviously, but all of my uncles,
all everybody, they're cowboysfans.
I grew up as a cowboys fan, butto me, I'm thinking, my idea of
cowboy team is troy eightman,emmett smith michael ervin deon

(43:09):
sanders deon.
Like I'm thinking of the 90sCowboys.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Oh man, that was so good.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
I was a.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Cowboys fan too.
It was such a good team.
Probably because of that it wasa team for a reason.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
It just was so obviously.
If I'm to say I'm a Cowboys fannow, I'm a fan of
disappointment, because that'sall they are For a long time
yeah.
And it's really hard to to getbehind it.
And I will say this I thinkeven for a college basketball it
is hard to get behind it.
If you don't have a good team,if your team sucks, it's hard to
get behind for sure, like likebrad.

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Brad doesn't really have a truecollege football team.
He he likes carolina becausehe's diehard tarheel basketball
fan, like just is, so he's gonnasupport them as a football
program as well.
He's super excited aboutbelichick, which I am am too.
I'm curious to see what's goingto happen there.
Again, kind of like Patino, hemay lose that championship in
five years, but there's a goodchance he could win one.
He's going to get people tocome in.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
There's very few colleges that have really good
basketball and football teams,even in pro sports.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
I guess Now have you seen the clip going around
Auburn trying to say how greattheir program is the only team
to win five games and somethinglike five wins, and football is
not good.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
No, You're not even bowl eligible in five wins.
I do not think Auburn footballis good at all right now.
Let's not be stupid here.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
So, yeah, I don't like that.
Now, to me, the standout isAlabama, and has been for many
years.
At this point, yeah, but eventhe football's down right now,
like it's not we say down, butthey lost three games.
Like what I'm saying, though,like if you're going to say
we've got really good programs,football has been in contention
the past five years, basketballhas been top 25 the past five

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years.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Like they are doing something well, I can't think of
anybody better with both Now,when Saban was still there and
their basketball team wasgetting going they were really
on top of those two sports.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Again, you've got to look at.
Alabama has one of the bettercollege basketball coaches.
Nate Oates is a fantastic coach.
He is, he's good, he's animated, he's great for that program.
Would love to have him.
I'll just say that, carolina,go make something happen.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Kentucky tried to get him last year and he wouldn't
leave.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
They did.
I don't think he's leaving.
I think he's very happy there.
He doesn't need to leave.
Why would you?

Speaker 2 (45:29):
He's got it made, he's got it made, if they can
somehow win a championship Again.
Usually schools like that.
They invest so heavily infootball.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
By the way, USC up six in overtime.
They're going to go to 500.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
I can't believe he left Arkansas.
I mean thank you for leaving,because you took Cal.
Well, I was going to say.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
The only thing that makes you happy about it is this
Speaking of Kentucky fans wereready to get rid of Cal.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
It was just kind of the time I've got this quote and
I hate how Cal is about theconference tournament.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
What's he saying now?

Speaker 2 (45:59):
He's always got something, so they asked him the
other day about the conferencetournament.
Okay, here is his quote and youtell me what you make of this.
He says I don't care about theconference tournament which is
why we won it so many times,because I could care less.
The tournament that matters isthe NCAA tournament.
Okay, I get, I don't care aboutthe tournament.

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The tournament matters the NCAAtournament.
Why does he throw in that,which is why we won it so many
times?
Because he's talking about atKentucky.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
That's the only place he won it.
How many times did they win theconference tournament at
Kentucky?
Because, he was there for forwhat?

Speaker 2 (46:32):
20?
I'd have to look it up.
He was there 15 years 15 years,yeah, before he got there.
They won it every year it wasthe Kentucky, but SEC was awful
Correct as a whole.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
the SEC was not a very good basketball conference.
They put all their stock infootball.
It's kind of you would talkabout acc is the best basketball
conference and you would sayreally, outside of that there's
not a bunch of great teams, butevery conference would be like
one.
Like michigan, state in the big10 was always was fantastic,

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kansas the big 12, fantastic.
You would throw at the timesometimes like a usc or ucla but
you'd always say SEC, kentucky,like they could play in any
conference.
But the rest of that conferencewas terrible Used to.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
they were the only good team in the SEC.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Yeah, but it was the same thing for Big 12.
Kansas has won what feels likea million conference tournaments
, but they were the only teamthat was worth anything.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Well, so they won it six times with Cal over those 15
years.
Okay, now Kentucky won it a tonbefore that, correct.
But again, I understand, Idon't care about this tournament
, the NCAA one that matters.
Is he trying to be smart?
Is he trying to throw shotssaying, oh, we don't care
because that's what we want?

Speaker 1 (47:51):
I just think he's an idiot sometimes.
I mean and again it's not evenanything against Kyle Perry, I
don't really care that much.
It's just more like some of thestuff he says is just kind of
like I'll say what I want.
He's been around long enough.
He can get away with anythinghe wants.
I don't think he stays atArkansas very long.
I can't imagine, Like I don'tthink they're going to kick him

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out Because he's just going tokeep losing.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
I don't think they'll push him, though I don't think
that well, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
But recruitment-wise, like he's going to figure
something out, he's a smartrecruiter, Are they?

Speaker 2 (48:24):
bracketology.
Are they in?
Right now Barely maybe.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Yes, well, okay, so that.
They currently are part of thelast four buys so they're just
above that.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
He's sitting here saying this tournament don't
matter, ncaa tournament matters.
If you don't do good in thistournament, you ain't even going
to be in the NCAA tournament.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Well, if they would have lost tonight, which they
very closely could have, theyonly won by four over South
Carolina, who is awful.
Yeah, if they would have losttonight, there's a good chance
they didn't make it.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah.
So I just don't understand CalVery, very good chance.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
I'm trying to go through here.
Oh, currently they have them asa 10 seed he has to.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
I'm playing Louisville.
Oh, he has to be one of the topcoaches to have this downward
spiral just fall apart.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
I don't necessarily think that, because I think
anywhere you stay too long, thatcan happen.
But who else?

Speaker 2 (49:19):
had that much success .
That turned around that quick.
You see some coaches kind offade out over the years but he
just lost, you'll see some but Ithink what's really hard,
though, is his whole tenure.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
there was so polarizing.
Everyone watched it becausethey're getting the recruits
that you shouldn't get.
That, getting the recruits thatyou shouldn't get.
That many top recruits.
That's what everybody's lookingat saying, and Cal can say
whatever he wants.
We didn't pay, we didn't dothis, everybody did.
You're not getting that manyguys to come play together.
Bledsoe, who went to the NBA,was basically a career backup at

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Kentucky.
You're not going to get a guylike that who's going to go be a
star at any one of the otherbig programs without having some
kind of something behind it.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
It was a different time then, so I could get it a
little bit more.
I get completely what you'resaying, but De'Aaron Fox played
for Cal.
Yeah, he came out a while backand said Cal doesn't care about
winning college games, he caresabout his players and getting
them to the NBA.
Yeah, and that's true.
And the first five years.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
I mean, he did great at that.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
It was great, nobody's questioning that.
First five was great.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Next five was kind of like oh, I still I don't know
what.
50?
Yeah, 50.
In 15 years 50?
That's outrageous.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
But that's my point.
So you're right, he only gotone championship and, you know,
maybe not as many championshipsto show for it as with the
talent that he got.
But for a coach to do what hedid and get that many players in
the NBA and now do what he'sdoing in Arkansas right now,
maybe make the tournament.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
But to me it goes back to the fact he's not a good
coach.
He's a good recruiter.
He's not a good coach.
It really seems that way.
Yeah, and I said this for along time you being a Kentucky
fan, I see it every single year.
I don't really have a dog inthe fight, because anytime we
come over to your houseSaturdays during the week,
whatever we watch a basketballgame basketball, so I'll watch

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it, I don't care.
I would always say they're notvery good like like as a team,
not as, like individuals, theyhave talent, they have tons of
talent.
But watching them you're like,okay, the things that they do on
defense, they don't switch well.
They don't hedge well, theydon't.
They don't do the things that,really well, coach teams do
players like that feel like theydon't have to like their
athletic ability to make up forit but I think that's their
mentality, but I think that'swhy he just let it be well at

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one point because, like inalabama, they've got guys
athletically that are as much asthose guys, but they are so
hard-nosed, defense wise,because that's what oats expects
like he pushes that at onepoint, when cal was at his best.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
I think it had a lot to do with the uh coaching staff
he had around him, and you knowwhat that's like.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Any good coach.
You find what your weaknessesare and you put somebody that
can cover that for you.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
And I think he did a good job of that for a while and
when that fell apart.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Well, but how many of those coaches actually did
anything Like?
A bunch of them went and gothired, but how many really did
much?
But I think as a cumulativewhole.
That was that whole, pro.
Like the coaching staff wasgreat together it was, but
individually none of them werereally that good, you're right.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Like you have to say now, you have to do all the
parts they weren't that.
Well, kenny pain was great atkentucky and he went to
louisville he did absolutelynothing.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
They were getting beat by division.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
He's actually back on cal staff at arkansas well.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
But that just kind of goes like within any job and
any, any type of career, whetherit's basketball related or
whatever, everyone's alwayslooking for that advancement,
everybody's always going.
But there's nothing wrong withsaying I'm good, like I'm, at a
spot, that I'm, I'm really goodat this job.
I'm probably not gonna bebetter by being the head of

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something else.
I'm just not good at that.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Very few people can do that, though A lot of them, I
think, want to try.
I think they think, well, I'vedone this, so well, I could do a
head coach You're describingHuber Davis.
Never been a head coach, I toldyou, but I said it.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
It too, though.
He's a fantastic assistant, butyou don't like him.
I don't.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
He might get you in the tournament.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
That doesn't mean anything to me.
So I mean, with this week of anACC, like With this week of the
ACC, there should have been noquestion.
Oh.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
I agree with that.
That we should make it.
Is there anything they could doin the tournament that changed
your mind on him, or is it just?

Speaker 1 (53:30):
No, they're a bad team.
They're just a bad team thisyear.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
So if they got lucky and made it to the Elite, Eight.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
He didn't recruit well last year, year before.
He didn't set us up for when,hey, all these guys leave, we're
going to lose a lot.
He didn't set us up for that.
So this team as a whole, thisCarolina team, although playing
much better, there's been somelineup tweaks.
There's been some things thathave really really made this
team look better.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
That's good coaching right there, changing lineups.
Tweaks that's Cal's words.
Tweaks yeah, I'm with TB Davis,let's go.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
We should have done that.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Don't bring him to Kentucky, but leave him in North
Carolina.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
We should have done that 15 games ago.
That's a good argument.
It almost feels like it's toolittle, too late, because if you
had done it early enough and weshowed these signs of life, we
wouldn't be fighting to get in.
We would be a five or a sixjust waiting to get there.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Yeah, because being a five or a, six this year would
not be hard.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
That middle of the pack is not hard to get.
This year All programs havethose down years.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Oh, of course, Things happen, of course.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Things happen.
Of course I'm not expectingCarolina to be a national
contender every single year.
That's not realistic for anyone.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
We know this, but most, most, most.
There's few programs thatshould be, and North Carolina is
one of them.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Because North Carolina is a name To me for
Carolina.
If you don't at least makeSweet 16, you failed Like
majorly failed.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
North Carolina is one of those programs, like we've
talked about Kentucky, kansas.
There's some other.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Kentucky, kansas, duke, carolina, you have the
name.
Anymore, we'd throw UConn inthere, but you have the name.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
So if you just put a good coach with it, you've got a
combination that's hard to beat.
You can get any player you wantyou've got the funding.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
You've got everything , which.
There's two names that thatjump out to me when we start
saying good coaches that I feellike have been there for
literally forever and it amazesme they didn't go anywhere else.
And the first one I'll throwout because much more well-known
tom iso, michigan state.
Yeah, fantastic, fantasticcoach.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
He's done some stuff with Michigan State.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
He's done stuff with Michigan State that they should
not have done.
He is just a really really goodcoach.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Do you think he sits there and says I want to go try
one of these big programs?
Apparently not, because hehasn't went.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
That is a big program .
When it comes to basketball,Michigan State's a well-known
that's true.
They've had a lot of propotential.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
I don't put it with those tiers, but they're right
there.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Yeah they're definitely up there.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
To me it's one of the lower ones that you're like.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Okay, I see putting them in there, but they're a top
, like every year, they're justthere.
And then the other one to me isfew at Gonzaga Like what he's
done there.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
He's done good.
Now there's one other one Ithink of and they're hit and
miss is Scott Drew at Baylor.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
I kind of just feel like I think of his dad more
than.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
I think of him.
Okay, I get that.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
But then his brother is at Grand Canyon and they're
making the tournament like everyyear now.
I mean it runs in the family.
They're good coaches, but he'sat Baylor.
Baylor's awful this year.
They've struggled.
That's why I say they're kindof just up and down.
But he's also had some reallygood teams, so for him it made
no sense that he didn't go toKentucky.
He's one of those that I'm likeI'm actually really surprised

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he didn't, because it just feltweird.
I know he's like I'm reallytied to Roots and Texas and all
these things, but it's Kentuckycalling it's a hard program to
say I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
At Gonzaga and Michigan State, both.
I think that's why thosecoaches are still there, because
they get in the community andthey're just the type of guys
that just like being there andthey don't want to change
everything.
Some people don't like change.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
So I'll take back my previous statement.
Baylor's not awful.
They're not good 17-13.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
They're not good, but they're not awful.
They're not doing anything thatyou're like.
Oh wow, they're a great team.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
No, they're 7th in the Big 12.
It's not a great basketballconference.
This year it's slightly betterin certain ways.
Iowa State's been solid allyear.
Houston is the number one.
I mean they're getting one ofthe number one seeds.
Texas Tech's solid, but as awhole it's just not a really
great conference.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
On one hand I want to say you're right, he's crazy
for not going to Kentucky.
I kind of think, okay, if youain't going to Kentucky, then
you're at Baylor for lifeProbably.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
But how much of that would have been a coach saying I
how much of that would havebeen a coach saying I don't want
to follow Cal, regardless ofhow bad he fell off at the end.
I do think, though, that's bigshoes to fill for anybody.
For Pope Like it's big shoes.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Do you think that played a part in North Carolina,
Like why they had to get HubertDavis?
I?

Speaker 1 (58:05):
mean, I know they like hiring within.
I don't think so, becauseCarolina is, we only hire
Carolina.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
It's just different If they wanted a big name.
I think if they got rid ofHubert Davis they could go get
one now a lot easier than ifthey had tried to follow
Williams.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
And the reason I say I don't think so is because they
still have the mentality it'sgot to be Carolina who's out
there.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
They're going to have to change that.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
I agree, but I said that when.
So there was a point in time.
Actually, williams won achampionship.
After the time I was saying,hey, it's about time, it's about
time he goes.
He came and won a championship,very grateful for that, but I
still think he maybe stayed ahair long.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
When was their last championship?
Was that 17?
Yeah, okay, so you've beensaying it for a while then.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Yeah, so there was a few times I was like a long time
, maybe we look at, let's seewhat's out there is that gonna
push him out, but he, he's thetype that, like you, very easily
let him just run yourbasketball program.
He's great for the game he'she's very smart, he's good at it
.
But it was kind of just.
It almost felt like certainthings were starting to pass him

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by.
You know, we we for a whiledidn't want to do um the one and
dones, we didn't, you know,want to do some of those things.
We had teams that wayunderperformed and then some
teams way overperformed.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
So yeah, Duke does the same thing with hiring.
Of course, they didn't need acoach for years.
They had the same coach forlike 50 years.
But is that a?
And I'll ask you about NorthCarolina because you're a
Carolina fan Is that a?
We're a big enough program.
If we get a decent coach, wecan make you.
We don't need the coach to makeus Kind of like just kind of
thinking too high of yourselfmaybe.
I think.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
I think a lot of times people are kind of
overlooking what Kay did withShire.
He put Shire on staff for areason and groomed him like he
he was setting him up to thenbasically be the next me is kind
of his, his idea.
I don't feel like we ever sawthat with hubert.
Like hubert was the guy in thebackground, it's like we know
who he is.
He's a very well-known guy.

(01:00:02):
He's a fantastic assistant,always has been assistant,
always will be assistant.
And then all of a sudden wehired him as a head.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
It just felt very did he change any of the staff
really, or did he just kind oftake William's staff?

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
No it was kind of just hey, everybody slide up a
spot, we're all going to moveover a chair.
That's kind of what it feltlike.
I mean, I get the mentality.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
It was very little things that changed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
I get the mentality because you know you don't have
to bring in a whole new staff.
No, I don't think you've got tomake it your own in a way.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
No, but if you brought in a whole new coach,
he's bringing in his whole newstaff, correct?
So you kind of had somecontinuity by doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
But at the same time, though, you're going into a
period where you're gettingready to lose a lot, the old
teams that you had that weremaking big runs.
Those guys are graduating,those guys are leaving, and for
Roy Williams it's easy torecruit, and for Roy Williams
it's easy to recruit.
I'm Roy Williams.
I walk into your house or giveyou a phone call, you know who I
am and you understand what I'vedone.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
So it sounds like Cooper Davis has never done that
, but it sounds like theWilliams name got recruits more
than the North Carolina name did.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
No, I think it's a tandem thing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
I think that's a tandem thing yeah.
Like, obviously Roy Williams isa probably historical coach in
the game of basketball.
Just, he was fantastic.
So if you say, hey, I'm RoyWilliams with the North Carolina
Tar Heels, those things-together.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
It's that pairing.
That's a big thing.
Yeah, I agree, so it's the samething.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Hey, I'm Coach K with Duke Whoa Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Let's listen for a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
And I'll say Bill Self same way.
Bill Self with Kansas, beenthere a long time, he's shown
what he can do.
Tom Izzo, michigan State,you're gonna listen?
It's just those things are sucha tandem thing where, like for
Cal Perry, him saying I'm CalPerry with Kentucky or I'm Cal
Perry with Arkansas, I thinkmakes no difference, purely on

(01:01:54):
the fact of we've seen what hedoes.
He puts guys in the pros, yeah,doesn't care, like you said it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
He doesn't care about the other.
He puts guys pros, but I stillthink, saying Kentucky made a
difference, but he did it inMemphis.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
He did it with UMass.
I mean, he's done it whereverhe's been.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
And he's went really far with them.
But it was all about I'm goingto get you guys to the next
level.
He did it everywhere.
Cal's very arrogant and hethought it was him the whole
time.
He thought if I leave,kentucky's going to go down and
they're only here for me.
All these programs.
They've been around for years.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
They can overcome a coach that with Kentucky.
Mark Pope is a good coach.
He was good at BYU.
He could come out next year andonly win 10 games.
Oh, he could.
I'm not saying that's whatthey're going to do.
He could, you're right, but hedoesn't have a typical Kentucky
lineup.
He doesn't have some studs oh,I don't think he ever will.
Well, but that's what I worryabout.

(01:02:48):
The SEC is not what it used tobe.
He might get a couple becauseof Kentucky.
If the SEC pre-cow Pope could dowhat he's doing and be fine, no
issue.
But I think the SEC is onanother level as far as how
they're recruiting those top fewteams.
I don't think across the board,but I think currently Florida's
doing a great job, alabama'sdoing a great job, auburn's

(01:03:10):
doing a great job, tennessee, soI think there's five teams
there that you are now having toreally compete with.
So I think Pope's going to haveto do more.
But he's never been in a programhe's needed to.
When you're at BYU, you don'tneed the same type of recruits
as you do as Kentucky, it's justa different level, very
different level.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Yeah, if he doesn't get some talent, at least a
couple guys every year, I thinkit'll be hard.
But I think that's whereKentucky comes in.
He's always going to havetalent, but I think he needs
studs, like you're going to needsome studs, just the way it is,
I think every team needs atleast one guy who's going to go
to the NBA and that you can givehim the ball and go get you a
basket when you need it.
Like 350 teams need that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Yeah, it's not possible.
No, to be a good team you needthat star player.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
So that's hard to say , because Carolina won
championships without that guyLike they did it with five
upperclassmen that were justgood college basketball players
when how long ago they did it in17.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
I was going to say 17 might have been.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
They did it in 17, and, honestly, that 2009 team
all those teams sent guys to thepros.
They didn't last.
They weren't there long, likeseveral of the teams that we've
had that have won championships.
Those were not big-time NBAguys.
They were good collegebasketball players, and that was
as far as they were going tomake it.
Hansborough was an unbelievablecollege basketball player,

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College Statistically.
He has all kinds of stuff.
Every fan can look and say thatman cannot play in the NBA.
He doesn't have the skill setfor it.
He didn't last long, Went upthere for a few years, bounced
around, was out.
That was expected.
So those teams did do some ofthat, some Duke teams did some

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of that, and then they made theswitch of hey, we're good with
one and dones.
They started getting all thesebig-time recruits.
And the switch of hey, we'regood with one and dones.
They started getting all thesebig time recruits.
And I'll say this coach cow,one of the best coaches ever
live, can't stand that.
He's a dude guy, obviously.
But coach k, coach k.
Sorry, you're talking about cowso much.
Coach k, yeah, I definitelydon't think cow's one of the
best coaches.
Uh, coach k, one of the bettercoaches for an old hall of famer

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, I'm gonna throw it for the,for an old guy to make the
switch that he made where it'slike, I refuse to want it done.
Man, that's the way it's going,let's do it.
And he did it well that mightgood.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
That might have been the start of cows downfall
kentucky when k startedcompeting for those players with
him, maybe because kentuckydidn't get all of them at that
point well, I mean, so you goback and look John Walsh from
North Carolina.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
I know, yeah, and he chose not to go to both Duke and
Carolina, who he had offersfrom.
It's right down the road, yep.
So it's like, why would you goover there?

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
That first five years Kyle got whoever he wanted, and
then Kay started competing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
When you look at Jabari Parker, kyrie Irving, I
mean they did it.
What's the name of the Pelicans?
Big man Zion, sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Zion.
He's the first one I thought of, because he was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Zion.
Yeah, well, actually that Zionteam.
They had three of them Reddishand the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Kid from Canada.
Yeah, I can't think of his nameBarrett Barrett, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Yeah, JT Barrett.
Yeah, so they did it with threethat year and it was like
that's unheard of Do it withthree.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
JT Barrett, RJ Barrett, RJ Barrett yeah, yeah,
I was like I don't know who thatis.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
There's another one, no, but that's whenmson hire his
dad as an assistant.
I think, so and then it waslike, hey, I'm going to Duke.
And he got fired.
He didn't last.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
So that's kind of when that started happening,
when Cal was doing good, he gotall the players because nobody
wanted him.
Nobody else wanted to do whathe'd done.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Very few were Like you saw, like Texas, and he was
going pro out of high school.
If they let him, they justweren't gonna let you.
Yeah, which, what's yourthought on that?
Do you are you do you like thatrule, or are you like, if they
want to do it, let them, letthem do it?
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
how I feel about all this stuff I, I do, but I'm just
curious, um it.
We should treat it just like wedo kids.
That's not in college, notschool.
If you want to go get a job, goget a job.
If you want to go to themilitary, go to the military.
If you want to go to school, goto school.
Do what you want.
If you're good enough to dothat, go do it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
And if you fail for me I think I look at it in.
There's been quite a fewinstances of really good players
like obviously the standoutskobe, kevin garnett, like those
are two guys that hall of famesuperstars.
That's not the common out ofhigh school.
There's been a lot of guys thatreally had good, really good

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nba careers that went straightstraight there so let me ask you
this part though, because thisis where it's going to get
complicated.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
You know, in college basketball you know, once you go
to nba, play professional, youcan't play college correct.
But now college ain't amateuranymore, so would you be okay?
If a kid tries the NBA for ayear, fails, doesn't make a team
.
Whatever says I'm going tocollege.
No, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
I think you should.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
I don't think so, because if you look at what, if
you don't make the team Likewhat if you don't even get
drafted in a team?

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Can you then so to me , if you have like, like with
any other sport, if you declareyourself a pro, because at that
point you were saying I'm noweligible to be a pro, I'm
calling myself a pro, you can'tgo backwards.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
And every sport does that, but that was because you
had amateur status.
I don't think anybody's amateuranymore.
Everybody's making money.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
No, but I mean, other sports have done it that way
and there's just a limit on howmuch you can make.
You know a limit on how muchyou can make like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
I look, you know baseball, they move up and down
through their a's and but thoseare those are still professional
.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
That's not.
You were not an.
I agree with that.
Like that's not.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
When you were going between double a triple a, you
were professional so when youget into baseball and you, even
if you're single a team, yeahyou cannot go back to college
right like you're.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
You're professional yeah, you're, you're out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
I guess I'm saying, if you never went to college to
begin with and you just went in,got in with a single, a team
didn't work out.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Okay, I want to go you can play a different sport
okay, but you can't play collegebaseball.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Got you okay?

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
no see, I don't well, because I mean, you look at jr
smith, jr smith won championshipin the nba went back to college
.
Playing was playing collegiategolf.
That's right.
So you could do a differentsport.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
You just can't do that sport.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
So those guys are going to have college
eligibility, but it can't be forthat sport.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
See, I wouldn't have a problem with it because of
what sports is becoming Now Iunderstand there's a lot of
things involved.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Here's my issue If you are 18 years old, you go to
the NBA.
They think you're going to dosomething.
You don't.
You decide at 20, I'm going togo to college.
You spent two years with anadvantage that nobody else has.
You are training against peoplethat no matter who you go play
in college, they're not goodenough.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Once you commit pro, you can go get in the G League,
you can go overseas.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
There are some other options, but those are still
backwards.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
That's crazy talk.
You can go get in the G League,you can go overseas, so there's
some other options.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
But those are still pro.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, yeah, because, likebaseball, like I said, you can
go through the rankings.
If you made it to the NBA,somebody, somewhere will take
you In this world.
For sure, there are so manyteams over there that you can
make a team somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
You can do it.
They've tried this G Leaguething and I don't think it's
ever going to work.
College basketball almost feelslike that minor league.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
And again, it's not because once you go there you
can't go back.
The G League's really hard,because they treat it like the
NBA without the funding of theNBA.
These guys aren't making themoney that they could really
devote all that time to.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
To me, G League basketball should be AAA
baseball.
That's what it should be.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Well so, but to me baseball's the only one that
does a good minor league.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
They do really good.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
They're the only thing that really Like they call
it a farm system for a reason.
They develop players, much,smaller rosters much.
It's much harder, I think, tomake it in.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Well, it's that way, football, every other sport,
baseball just does it so muchbetter than every other sport.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Yeah, but football doesn't have a minor oh, I know,
that's what I'm saying Likethey, which, again, I don't know
how you would.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
It's the same thing for NBA, though play in the
league, and if you don't make it, you don't make it.
Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
I mean when baseball kind of takes you in and says
we're going to get you there.
The minors at the Europeanleagues yeah, because we've seen
some guys go over there andthen end up making teams after
it.
I mean Brandon Jennings is oneof those guys that was playing
in Europe and came and was amultiple-time NBA All-Star.
I mean he showed you could doit.
I mean there's a lot of skilldevelopment that happens over
there because they do a lot ofdifferent things.

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It's very, very high-qualitybasketball Not saying it's as
athletic or as stuff over there,but there's a lot of really
good basketball played overthere.
There's a lot of really badbasketball played over there.
There's some of these leaguesover in the Philippines that
you're not allowed to be over acertain height, which blows my
mind You're not allowed to beover a certain height, which
blows my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
But you're kind of right.
I mean, if you made it to theNBA, you can go anywhere, like
there's somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Someone will say I'll take a shot on you.
They just will.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
We've been really heavy basketball.
We have been and I've beensitting on this very random
question, so I just want tothrow this random out here.
Okay, roll with it.
I went into a restaurant and Ithink it's better now we have a
local restaurant.
But you know how you get thoseratings from, like the health
department or whoever does that.
I don't know who does that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
They put the numbers yeah, it's health department
okay, and you typically see 9596 well, I'll tell you this
locally, it always feels likeit's really hard to get a low
number.
It is like, locally, it's very,really hard to get a low number
.
It is Like, locally, it's very,very hard to get that low
number.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Well, this has been a little bit back, not too far.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Obviously not naming the restaurant yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
I'm not going to name the restaurant and I went there
and I want to say it was low80s, maybe even 80.
Okay, and you still ate thereand I still ate there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Oh my.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
So I think it has since gone up, because I was
there not too long ago and Iwent there a few times after
that I'm trying to think whereyou could have gone.
I went there a few times afterthat.
I have a couple in my mind, butI don't know.
I brought lunch out here beforeand it was close by here,
pretty quick place.
Okay, yeah, I got you, I gotyou yeah, I mean, I could see it
.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Yes, I could see it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
So that brought up a point.
Because, yeah, because when Isaw it my first thought was whoa
do I want to hear?
And I mean it went, I don'tcare, whatever.
So but now here's the thing.
Have you ever had foodpoisoning?
You've ate there too, because Ibrought some.
I don't like that place thoughno, I know you don't, but you
brought you've ate some thingsfrom but look at what I eat.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
I know the stuff that I eat from there is you.
You couldn't get sick from that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
I would the other stuff you could get sick from
but, but it made me think whenyou start thinking about
ingredients because if we hadtalked about this conversation
before that I would have said,yeah, I gotta, there's a number
that I'm not eating there, butmaybe there's.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
I mean I'm sure there's still a number.
So for you I'm really surprised, just because I know how you
are with germs and dirt.
I am it's just kind of how youalways have been.
So that surprises me a lot Doesthat bother you.
Well, I was going to tell youI've been somewhere, that I saw
an 8 as the first number andleft.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
And it was, I think it was like an 88 and I was like
nope, I'm not doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
I don't know if this was all the way down to 80 or if
it was like 84.
It was low 80s.
If it wasn't all the way downto 80.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
I'll say this too Anybody that's been in a
restaurant and you kind ofunderstand it.
I looked that up one day.
It five or six points, still inthe 90s, but it dropped pretty
low from there, typically prettyhigh.
I was like man, that's weird,because I feel like they usually
do a pretty good job.
And so their little card thatsays the letter and the number

(01:14:44):
and all that stuff, well,there's a website on the bottom
you can actually go search therestaurant and see what happened
in that restaurant to give themthis grade.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Oh, I wish I'd known that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
So then, you can go view this and it's for the
entire state.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
I probably didn't want to know at that point.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Probably don't, but so this one.
One of the things was theycheck the not quite pH level,
but basically the level of thebucket that you basically clean
things with, and if it's not ahigh enough particle percentage
you lose points.
And it was like they were offby 0.0 something and I'm like,

(01:15:20):
okay, not a huge thing.
Like obviously I want you to beclean.
I don't I'm not saying that'sokay, but like that could have
been, you put a hair too muchwater in it that day, like and
it's about the day they come tocorrect If.
If somebody goes in there anddestroys your bathroom right
before they get there and youdon't know about it, you lose
some points.
There's some things that canhappen, that I can kind of push

(01:15:42):
it past Now.
I will say that got me curiousand I just started clicking on
random restaurants.
That was a bad idea, does it?
There's a few places thatweren't close by that I'm like.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
I will really love numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Like 70s, oh my gosh.
And it was like when theyreally talked about it.
It was talking about likecertain grills and certain
things that we we get deductedlike quite a few points because
of residue on grill, likebasically, the way they made it
sound it was like really thickold residue on a grill that
should not be there.
So and like that to me Icouldn't do.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
I like this type of food and this place kind of
specializes in in their.
Do I like this type of food andthis place kind of specializes
in in their.
Yes, you know their type offood okay, like most restaurants
do, obviously, but I thoughthow, how much can they mess it
up, like you know?

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
like, and I'm hoping it's a little have you ever had
food poisoning?
I like legit full-on.
I couldn't stop it.
If you want, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
I mean, I've had some food that's kind of made me
sick.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Makes you feel uneasy , but it never like full on.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Well, no, I've had some that I've physically gotten
sick from Okay, but after thatI kind of start feeling better.
So I don't know if it'snecessarily a.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
So there is a restaurant I've been to.
I've gotten it from twice.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Oh, gotten it from twice.
Oh, why do you keep going there?
I don't know, is it?

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
local.
I'm about to ask you later.
Well, so it happened once local, okay, and then it happened
once elsewhere.
But I've also seen the changesthey've made in the years since
I'm like, I'm okay with iteither, like it was very
different than, but it's one ofthose like forcibly, like just
it feels like it's coming fromyour soul.
At that point it's from, and nomatter how many times you do it

(01:17:20):
, you don't feel well and itjust keeps going, going, going
until finally, like your body,just have nothing left well, you
said you've walked away fromrestaurants.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
With that now I don't know if that was like your
favorite restaurant if it's oneyou kind of don't care about,
but it like think of yourfavorite restaurant if it's an
eight are leaving.
I don't know that I can thinkof my favorite restaurant.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
I don't know I like a lot of different places because
there's I'm more of like acertain type of food than I'm
actually a restaurant.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
But if you're just like, hey, I'm craving this, and
you get to the door and it'slunch, you're starving, like I
need some food.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
But hang on, what's weird about that?
This is also coming fromsomeone that if I go to a gas
station and I'm hungry and theygot a good looking roller dog,
I'm probably going to eat it.
Like that's a very weird thingto say.
I make those occasionally, butnot a lot, but which is hard
because, like there's especiallyso many of our local gas
stations, you've got HuntBrothers pizza.
Oh, I love them.
Like Hunt Brothers is great.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Those chunks or hunks of pizza yeah, I love those.
So like I've eaten that a bunch, but that's very different,
though at the same time, if theyput a rating on those roller
hot dogs, that might have beenaround 80.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Well, but if you really look at, roller hot dogs
like those are not quality Likethis, is not like high-quality
food, Like a roller hot dogmight have been the same about
it, though, because this isn'tsupposed to have this high
dollar food.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Well, this place I went, wasn't it ain't no high
dollar I understand that,because I know what you're
talking about now.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
But but even then it's, it's the idea of this is
the only thing you guys do youonly do food.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
You get food from a convenience store they don't do
just that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Yeah.
Yeah, they do so many things,yeah, and really that to me is
more like there's been a lot ofhands around, there's been a lot
of this, a lot of that, likethat's where the gas station
kind of comes into it.
But oh, don't get me wrong,like traveling, yeah, I mean
there's some gas stations thatmake fantastic food, like Cheats
and QT, like Bucky's.
Bucky's has fantastic barbecuesandwiches.
That is a real, that's a goodcall.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
I love the barbecue sandwiches.
I haven't got them a lotbecause we don't have one real
over here.
No, we don't have one.
Close, but traveling.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
No, but I'll say this though Bucky's is stupid, I
don't like it, it's overkillLike it's.
It is a Walmart of gas stations.
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
It's just too much.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
There's a lot going on there, Like because to me,
like if I'm going to a gasstation, if I'm getting gas or
not, whatever, going to get adrink, I kind of like it to just
be like an in and out kind ofquick experience.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
The drinks are are not close to the door.
At Buc-ee's you have to gothrough a million aisles.
No, if you're going to Buc-ee's.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
It's an experience.
You're not just a quick, let megrab some gas.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
No, you're going to do it for, especially for us,
because we don't have one close.
It's an experience.
You're going to just kind of dothe whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
I think that's helped them get popular because of the
I don't know, I want to gocheck it out.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
It really is.
But the problem is like ifyou're going there and you
actually have to get gas, goodluck.
Like there's a hundred pumps,but it's just, it's so.
It is so hectic.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
I don't like that there's so many pumps and I feel
like they are always full.
Yeah, like I don't understand.
Yeah, cause you got your localgas station with 10 pumps and
half of them are empty everytime you pull in, and half of
them are empty every time youpull in Correct, and maybe it's
the store that's bringing it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
It's hard here because where we live we don't
have interstates close by.
True, you have to drive 20minutes, basically, to the
closest interstate, so we're notreally seeing that all the time
, which, anytime I go over there, those gas stations always seem
a little busier too, that'strue, but the amount of people
that travel interstate system isridiculous, and those are
always on big interstate.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
I'd be okay getting a bucky's, even if it's 20
minutes from here.
Um, just, I'm gonna get somebarbecue occasionally.
I'd be okay with that I do lovebarbecue that's that's one of
my just easy go gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Y'all killed me, y'all were talking you and will
start talking about it earlier Iknow, and I didn't get it for
dinner, that's all I've thoughtabout, like, if they were open
right now I would go go get some.
You know, I'm kind of thinkingthat too.
They're not.
I've already looked, they'renot open.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
So we've got a couple barbecue restaurants here in
town.
One of them you know neitherone of them is Caralot 4.
The other one is really good,but I want that, not fast food,
but kind of a quicker likerunning the letting Bucky's grab
it.
Isn't it Dairy Queen that has apretty good one, which we don't
have Dairy Queen close byeither they?

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
used to have a pretty good one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
I want that kind of because I don't love the one at
Cookout.
Is that what it is?

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
it's okay.
No, that's a very basic one.
It's different.
It's a little different, thoughit's a very dry barbecue, it's
more just like just a meat,where a lot of the barbecue.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
I wish we had somewhere like just a
run-through, drive-through typeplace, or even a gas station.
I'll take one of our gasstations.
No, but you know what I want?
What's that?
Fazoli's?
Oh my gosh, don't get mestarted.
So I had Olive Garden lastnight for dinner.
So that was pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
But what I love about it, I love Alfredo.
That's one of my go-to foods.
If you could say, right, I'vegot a restaurant and I'm gonna
give you an eight ounce sirloinand like a half order of chicken
fettuccine, alfredo, I'll gothere every time you can do that
olive garden.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Oh, my daughter does it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
Yeah, I know you can, but I'm just like if that was
like an easier thing, you'reright because I think about it,
because fazoli's is basicallyfast food of italian, like it's
just you go in there, you order,you can Well, they have a
drive-thru.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
It's such a quick.
Where I'm from, they have adrive-thru.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
Yeah, it's such a quick process and if you've
never really heard of Azoli'swhich it's not obviously across
the country the world's bestbreadsticks.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Oh yeah, the breadsticks are worth going for.
Man, now I want somebreadsticks.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
When there I never could pick what I wanted.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
Oh, I know what I'm getting into, so.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
I got the classic sampler.
I remember that it had thefettuccine, the lasagna and the
spaghetti and the breadsticks.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
How are this bunch of fat people talking about food
tonight?
I am kind of getting hungrywhen we get done here.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
we're going to have to find something Every time we
have some kind of fooddiscussion.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
That's what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
You're like, yeah, I happen, but I I do want to go
back to something.
I thought of a mango, because,you're right, I am kind of clean
person, especially when itcomes to cooking is.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
Is there a number for you?

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
obviously it was fairly low for that place and
you still did, I thought therewas I don't know um, but even
when I cook at home, if I'mcooking steaks or whatever, like
, I wash my hands a bunch.
I wash you know a lot of thingsgoing on.
There's one thing that I enjoydoing and I love the food that's
this way, but it bothers me isgrilling.
Why is that?
Your grill is not that clean,like, yeah, you clean it, you

(01:23:43):
scrape it.
You know, I even have otherpans that I put on top of the
grill.
I don't really lay anything onthe grill typically.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
So you don't actually put it on the grate of the
grill.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Not typically Some hot dogs I might throw up on and
stuff, just because thecleaning's been, that's so weird
, but your grill is sittingoutside.
You don't like use soap andwater or nothing and clean it.
You scrape it off with this bigbrush and just throw more stuff
over it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
Here's the thing for me when I grill which I don't do
much because we don't reallyhave just a great setup at the
house currently but when I wasdoing a lot of grilling for some
of the camps and stuff that Iwas doing using a blackstone, I
cleaned the crap out of ablackstone.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
So I had one of those .
I didn't like it because it wastoo much trying to keep clean
and I felt like I could neverget it cleaned up and sanitized.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
So I just figured out the process and it was like I
could get that thing just good,really easy, but it still ain't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Like it's sitting outside, like all the germs and
all the dust.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
But the thing is, though, most of the outside is
going to be like dust that goes,but then as soon as you
introduce heat, it's killingmost of that stuff.
So it's very different.
It's not the same reason, likewhen you have a boil water
advisory, which a bunch of ourarea had after hurricanes.
After the hurricane you canstill drink it, you can still
use it, but you've got to boilout all the crap first.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
It's still, I don't know, I do first, I, it's still,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
I, I do it and but again, I don't usually put me
directly on it.
Oh, I'm going straight on.
Give me the grill marks.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
Give me everything.
Oh, I can still get grill marks, because I've got certain
plates I can put on it that theyget hot, like these little
metal things.
You put on it and they'll gethot.
That's so much more work.
No, because then you can takeit inside and throw the
dishwasher and you really don'thave nothing left on the grill
it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
That's like using so many extra and my food's not
actually touching the grill.
So many extra.
It's like using extra plates,like it's just so much extra,
but the grill.
It's nasty.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Clean it.
You can clean the grill reallywell.
I used to take the grates outand literally take like Dawn and
stuff and scrub them and spraythem down and then put them back
in, and yet you went.
Even when it's technicallyclean, it's absolute crap.
But they bake the product so byyour standard, that's okay,
cooking the product to an extent.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
But if that product is, 100 years old, like probably
most of that stuff is.
Yeah, that could be a problem,but even then, though, like if
you're getting it fresh is onething, most of those aren't that
fresh.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
You know what?
Oh God, never mind, I was goingto say something.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
I know I'm trying not to go too close with it,
because I'm not trying to.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
I found a trick for that.
I found a trick for thatBecause I started ordering my
food there ahead of time online.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
Yeah, so there is some ways.
But even then, though,Especially if you make something
custom.
But if you don't store theproducts correctly yeah, you
don't store the productscorrectly.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
Yeah, like it doesn't matter how much you cook it,
like you're not getting some ofthat bacteria out, it's just no
you.
I honestly thought when I sawit I would be like, no, I can't
do that.
But I walked to the door it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Does it actually like ?
Really surprised me for you,because you're weird about that
I went inside.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
It's not a drive-thru , I went inside.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
Yeah, and I saw the door.
Why is that not a drive-thru?
Why do they?

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
a lot of them do, don't they?
I've never seen one that does.
You know?
You're right, we're fixing togive this away.
I know, I know.
I'm trying not to the number'sup, so it has gotten better
apparently.
Congrats guys.
Yeah, is it still in the 80s?
It's like 86.
I don't know, I think it's inthe.
It was like lunchtime.
I really wanted it.
I walked to the door.

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God, I really want to saysomething.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
I can tell you this there has never once in my life
been that I've craved that place.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Never, once I like it God, again it's, I will spend
more money to go to anotherplace that has the same stuff,
but you have to wait.
I don't care Usually for that,and that's what I didn't want in
that moment.
Sometimes I just want it now.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
So if I'm out here working and I order it, by the
time I get there it's ready Evenat the next closest one.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Yes, I think I was on my way out here and just said
I'm going to run through, drivethrough, and then I went.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
oh, I kind of want that and I didn't really have
time to wait.
I've always hated that placeAlways have I just never have
been a fan of that place.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
So for me there's there's a couple of restaurants.
That's one of them, andMcDonald's is another one.
I would do all day long forlunch, but it's not a dinner
place to me, Like I don't wantit for dinner.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
So just grabbing, like a cheeseburger and fried
meal or whatever.
You don't know I get it, but uhbecause, because then again
we're like mcdonald's is nothigh quality food like that's

(01:28:09):
not it's so like.
It's not even like a goodburger, I realized it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
It's terrible, realized a long time cause we'd
go out to dinner or something.
And you know, uh, the youngkids, you know they'd be like oh
, I want some chicken nuggets.
Or my daughter used to like it.
Now she's gotten older shedon't really like McDonald's.
They'd be like it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
McDonald's, I'm like I don't If I'm, If it's not for,
like, the kids wanting a HappyMeal, because that's kind of
more of the experience thing ofit than it is just like the
actual food.
If it's not for that outside ofbreakfast, I do like their
breakfast.
I do like their breakfast.

(01:28:54):
I will for lunch but not dinner.
I do it.
I will eat there because thekids like it, but not because I
think it's good Now if they wentback to the pre-COVID serving
breakfast all day.
You're going to find me there.
I love some McMuffins,mcgriddles, like I love that
kind of stuff.
I had to be somewhere, God.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
what was this for?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
I had to be somewhere one morning and I get there at
10 35 and they say we're notserving breakfast anymore
because I stopped at 10 30.
That drives me nuts, though,because who wants who wants
lunch at 10 30, they stop.
They stop at 10 30, and I thinkthat general idea is nobody
wants lunch at 10 30, but thisbasically gives us a 30 minute
gap to make some switches,because 11 is about the earliest
most people are going to dolunch.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
Yeah, I left because I'm like I don't want lunch
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
But then on the weekends they do it till 11.
That's what it was.
They do it till 11 on theweekends.
Well, so I left there, but whynot just do that?

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
all the time.
Well, okay, it's 1035.
To Bojangles Correct, I haven'tate nothing.
I got this dog's appointment.
I'm going to be there a while.
I had a thing going on and I'mgoing to be there for a couple
hours.
I didn't leave the Bojanglestill like 5 to 11.
They're slow.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
I sat there, for they're a pretty slow place
around here.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Now, sometimes they can get you through.
But I was like if onlyMcDonald's would have just gave
me some breakfast Five minutes,Like they got something left
over.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
But at that point I don't want it left over.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
I want it fresh, no that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
I don't Like anytime you get one, you're like I'm
feeling it and it feels likeit's been sitting a while.
It's already just ruined.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
I worked at McDonald's when I was a teenager
and I think I could still go inthere today and do this stuff,
which is crazy.
It's been years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
I don't think they've changed it they haven't, but
yeah I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
I didn't love the way some stuff was supposed to not
sit there longer.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
And it did, it, definitely did.
It's like timer went off, hitthe timer again.
There's so much, so much of itthat everybody's like and I'm
not saying, you know, because inyour mind you're thinking, if
it's just a couple extra minutes, we're saving a lot of money.
If it's just this, it's justthis.
But then all of a sudden acouple minutes turns into half
an hour to 45 minutes to an hour, and then as you give that

(01:31:06):
product out, it's bad, like it'sjust a bad product at that
point.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
It is Places like that.
I mean, that's a multi-billiondollar company.
They don't care.
You're still going back We'vetalked about that with where
they are so into this quick,cheap food and you've got
something like Chick-fil-A.
That's all about service.
You're going to pay a littlebit more for it, but you're
going to get service.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
I'm a big Chick-fil-A fan, though.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
I used to never want Chick-fil-a person and I think
because their service, the foodis always quality, I don't have
to worry about it yesterday Iwas actually listening to
another podcast and this guy wastalking about, um, what he was
doing for lunch that day.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
He already went, got it, they're finishing up
recording and then he was goingto eat right after and he was
talking about how he hadchick-fil-a and I was like all I
want's a chicken sandwichsandwich.
Now I think about that because,again, that's another thing we
don't have close.
We don't have many optionsclose.
We're very, very limited hereon especially like the chain
stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
We don't have that and we're kind of a tourist area
, so it's kind of weird.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
Well, we have all the mom and pop stuff.
We just don't have the chainstuff.
They don't want that herereally, which which again I see
kind of the both sides of it.
As a local, it's like I wantmore, but as a tourist side like
that's, people are not reallylooking for the hey, I've got
that at home.
The same thing like when I'm onvacation I'm not eating
something that I have at home.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
I don't like to.

Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
Like I'm going to try to find something else.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
No, it's funny you say that about listening to a
podcast on Chicken Sandwich,because everybody listening to
this right now is going to getfood.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
They're finding somewhere, even if it's just in
the fridge, I know like Jameswill listen to this next time he
works and he's going to be like, yeah, now I got to go eat.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
I got to go get some food.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
Where are we going to lunch, boys, Like I got to find
something.
So 100% even though me and himare not friends anymore, not
after.
That's an ex-friend.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
I told you he lives down the road from me.
I might need him one day.
Well, no, he did.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
He did actually make a comment after that.
That said something about hisyou know you were sticking up
for him as a neighbor orsomething, and I was like gosh,
I hate you Neighbors.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Got to stick together .

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
Neighbors got to stick together.
I said I remember.
Oh, he said glad my neighborDavid has my back, yeah, and I'm
like, of course, I always gotyour back, of course, yeah,
listen, he knows like because hewould do, he does, he used to
do that stuff all the time, justrandomly, like I'll get the
most random text haven't seenhim, like we've been busy
working or whatever.
Had seen him all night.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
I'll get a text like I'm gonna dunk on you.
I'm like, what like?
What are you talking about?
Like, where did that come from?
Just like these just out of theblue type things.
It's such a his character typething which was always hilarious
.

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
So, yeah, I mean many , many, many stories they, they
go into that, but that's a whole, whole other thing you know, I
don't even know how we've beentalking, but we've had almost a
whole podcast on basketball andfood.
Yeah, yeah, maybe that's theonly thing that's important
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
But speaking of the concessions, because that's
where my mind went Okay, haveyou seen the Dodgers and their
new concession process?

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
I have not really seen it.
I heard you mention it, but Idon't know exactly what you're
talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
So we kind of got to talk about it earlier because we
were talking about how muchbasically baseball teams are
spending on players currentlyand it's one thing that I've
seen been going around I knowwhat time it is, it's one thing
that I've seen going around isthe new prices.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
I don't leave it, but hanging our lights went off.
They're on timer, so that's whywe know yeah, sorry, they're
going to be like.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
I was very distracted by it because it was like right
out of the corner of my eye,but very, very big difference in
what their old pricing was totheir new pricing.
One of the things was like ahot dog.
So I'm going to say I know thatstuff paying for a concession.
Hot dog, a concession hot dog.
Now I'm not talking like alocal sporting event.

(01:34:57):
I'm talking like when you go tosome type of pro or big college
event, you know it's going tobe more expensive because it
just naturally is.

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
So some of those have decent quality, I think.
Like it's a pretty good sizehot dog.
Sometimes it's better than agas station hot dog, I think.
But I mean, if I'm going to bigspend, I want to spend no more
than five bucks on a hot dog.
So you're saying five bucks,that's what I want to spend.
All right, and I still thinkthat's a little pricey.

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
So but I understand those things are pricey.
So the new list that came out$15 for a hot dog.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Okay, the other thing I've seen, $35 for a beer.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
I don't drink, but good grief, I don't know how you
can afford to.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
That's what I'm saying I don't either really but
$35?
.
I mean you've got to take out aloan to go Are other drinks
that expensive?

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
or is that preying on ?
People drink.
They want to be there.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
The sodas I want to say.
The last I saw was like $13.
Yeah, that's crazy.
It was, everything was likeabove $10.
Yeah, there was like a souvenirpopcorn cup.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
Now is that partly because of the city they're in,
Because everything's higherthere.

Speaker 1 (01:36:10):
So again, it is Los Angeles.
You're going to pay a lot inCalifornia.
That's the way things are outthere.
It's very expensive.
I think it has a lot to do withthe fact that they've spent
what feels like billions ofdollars on like four players, so
they're like I mean their theirteam salary is unbelievably
high.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
So they sign these players and then go oh crap,
we've got to raise prices, We'vegot to make up this money
Potentially.
Maybe, I, maybe.
I mean, I feel like it wouldhave to be somewhat part of it.
I mean, you've got to makemoney somewhere as part of
owning a business.
We understand that if you'regoing to put more money in the
business, you have to get inmore money, right, so I get that
.
But that might be pushing it alittle bit, especially what you

(01:36:50):
already pay for tickets and teamgear and everything else Well.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
So here's the thing.
There's a lot of people thatare like, oh, these are just
joke pricing.
It's like okay, that's cool,but when you look at what they
were actually charging last year, it was still like 10 bucks for
a hot dog.
So it's like okay, well, inreality, if you're going up
another five bucks, it doesn'tfeel like it's that crazy when
you're already charging $10 fora very simple product.

(01:37:14):
I mean, a hot dog is a hot dogLike.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
there's not much differences, you can do with a
hot dog, so that better comewith all the toppings and
everything.
And you know better, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
I'm sure not.
It's like anything you go to.
You know we talked about ittoday with certain different
sports.
Ticket prices are notnecessarily awful.
Some sports are more expensive,like you said, time of day,
depending on who they're playing, all those things factor.
But the ticket price you'relike, okay, I'm already spending
this on tickets, but then whenyou have to factor in how much
you're paying for concessions,it's just outrageous.

(01:37:45):
You're spending like yourfamily of five y'all go to a big
ballgame.
You're spending hundreds.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
We're spending some money.
You're going to spend a fewhundred dollars.
So we got travel softball goingback.
Yeah, we spend that at a travelball game, at concessions.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
I couldn't, and that's cheap stuff I couldn't
imagine.
The difference is that, though,like you're there all day, it
is Like you're getting there,like there's some of those
you're like, hey, in.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
Clemson.
Okay, you're going to get somekind of snacks, usually which?

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
I think Pope called and said you're not allowed
anymore, because if somebodygoes, they lose.
They did yeah.
So go ahead and go to thesefirst NCAA.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
We thought about going to Tennessee and we didn't
, and they won.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
So I think I'm just going to have to stay out.
Yeah, you're part of the issue.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
I think so, but you know, long lines keep me from
buying at concessions.
So we had a game we didn't getto because of long lines.
But you, typically you're goingto buy some snacks there
especially if you got your kidswith you and stuff.
You're going to buy a couple ofdrinks and popcorn, candy,
whatever, but you're also goingto eat on the way there and then
you're going to pay for thetickets.
And if you get tickets toticket master, then you it's a

(01:38:58):
pretty expensive process and ifyou don't have one close by,
you've got to spend your gas andyour time.
Fans really commit when they goto these games.
I don't know if they get theirmoney's worth or not.
I guess so because we keepdoing it, but it's expensive.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
To me it's just like it's part of the experience.
It's almost like you just kindof have to, whether you really
want to or not.
You almost feel like you justdo.
Because for me, like, we don'tgo to many games Really, we
don't have big venues reallyclose by.
Everything is two and a half,three hours from where we live,
so you don't get the ability tojust go to games all the time.
Yeah, if I was closer I wouldprobably think about it more,

(01:39:31):
maybe with concessions, becauseat this point, like, if I go, we
may go to like a Braves game ayear.
Typically that's about the onlything we go to, just others are
even so much more expensive.
But yeah, I mean.
So last year when we went toTruist, I mean we spent at least
$100 in concessions.

(01:39:51):
Yeah, and it's not like I'msitting there eating a ton of
stuff, it's just three or fourpeople like get a hot dog, a
drink, obviously, a baseballgame, a long game, get popcorn,
kid wants ice cream, things ofthose nature.
Yeah, it's the experience You'reup to $100 pretty quick,
especially when you don't get togo that often, right, you
definitely get that experience.
You kind of just bite thebullet and do it.
It's just a little different.
But I, you know, you're looking, okay, there's a game coming up

(01:40:23):
or an event, whatever, concert,whatever it is and you go you
look up the ticket price oh,that's not bad.
But then you got parking price,yeah, and then you got the fees
, and then you've got any kindof concessions.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
So you almost commit to going based on that ticket
price you saw right, notfactoring in everything else
you're gonna do and then like,especially so, something that I
actually love doing with mybrother, brad, that I'm hoping
to do more of this year.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
He's been a big wrestling fan since he was a kid
.
Always has been.
Wrestling shows are a freakingblast to go to, like we've been
to a couple in.
Greenville and it's just they'reso much fun to go to.
It's just the whole thing.
I'm not really just like a hugewrestling fan but it's fun to
go to, like like to me.
I kind of see the the sportside of it of you know
everybody's like well, it's fake, it's scripted, whatever.

(01:41:00):
I don't care about that.
These guys are athletes likethey're.
They are athletic people likethey are doing some impressive
stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
and one thing I want to say about because we did go
to a couple, yeah, and the firstone we went to, we paid up and
was ringside pretty what three,four rows off, or rows off, or
three rows back.
I'm going to tell you that'sworth it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
It was so much fun.
That was a whole different.
It was so much fun.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
It made the experience so much fun.
Not that the other experiencewas bad, well, so here's the
thing.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
I'll tell you this, though we went, so me and Brad,
my dad, actually went to one inAsheville.
What was that?
A couple months ago now.
Mm-hmm yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:34):
No, it was, yeah, two months ago.
Now we're in March, so abouttwo months ago, and that arena
we were in is tiny, tiny, tinytiny.
We paid 30 bucks a ticket andwe're not far from the top and

(01:41:56):
it still felt like we were thatclose.
It was just so.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
Yeah, a small arena like that would probably be
great it felt so just on top ofit, which was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
That was a lot of fun , but that's one thing.
I want to try to find some more, even the small shows, they're
just fun.
But if you go to something likethat, you talk ticket price,
you talk parking and then ifyou're like, hey, I'm gonna buy
a shirt like it's cool stuff.
I'm gonna buy some kind ofmerchandise that's 30 bucks at

(01:42:23):
minimum.
Some of those are even more,depending on what you get.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
Well, you're talking 35, 40 I've been in and out of
wrestling throughout my life.
When I was a kid I was a bigwrestling fan and then later in
life I got into it a little bitand we went to some and I kind
of got out and I haven't watchedwrestling in a while, but I
still think it would be cool topay up one time and be front row
right there with everythinggoing on.
It'd be pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
I say that but I want to be opposite of where we were
.
So we were on the side wherethe camera faced us, so you want
to be on TV?
No, we were on TV all night, ohwe were on.
Tv.
Okay, I want to be on theopposite side.
I want the back of my head tobe on TV, gotcha, and the reason
I say that is because wenoticed it that night more than
I've ever noticed it before.
Yep, I know what you're goingto say they do everything for
the camera.
So all of the big moves, all thereally cool stuff that they do,

(01:43:08):
is towards the camera, facingthe camera.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
I want to be seeing that face on.

Speaker 1 (01:43:15):
That's one of those parts.
That's the only thing that I'mlike.
The only thing I regret aboutthose seats was the fact that we
were on the other side.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
You're right, and I don't know Most people don't
consider that a sport.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
I don't consider it a sport.
To me, it's entertainment.
It's just.
They are athletes as much asanybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
Most of the live stuff you go to, they're just
putting on, whether it's sportsor I think of monster trucks or
Disney on ice or all this, andthey're just putting on a show
for everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
Disney on ice.
Where did that come from?
Because it's just a show you goto.
I don't know.
I've never been to a Disney onice show.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
No, we talked about taking my daughter once and we
never did, but maybe one day.
But I feel like you're rightthat wrestling that's more for
TV than the live audience.
It's 100% for TV and it might bethe only one that's like that
that I can think of off the topof my head, Because everything
else is kind of just a lot goingon Well, so it's really

(01:44:03):
interesting because you don'treally think about all the stuff
that goes into wrestling,Obviously, like they finish
their match and they're walkingback and they're not hurt like
they were showing.
I mean, it's a whole.

Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
It's for the entertainment, like it's 100%.
But there are stuff that theydo within the arena that
obviously you can look at thecameras.
They're not recording.
You know the big light's not onrecording.
So they're doing some fun stuffjust to keep crowd interaction
and you know, keeping fans rowdyand excited.
That obviously you're notgetting that on TV.
But yeah, it's the only thingyou go to that is not for the

(01:44:36):
people there.
Only thing you go to that isnot for the people there.
It's for it is tv only.
Yeah, because, like you know,we're sitting here watching sec
tournament.
Obviously the announcers andall those things is for the fans
at home, but the game itself isno different there or here.
Just the camera angles you'reseeing is different yeah,
they're not you're not changingit because it's viewed either in

(01:44:57):
person or away.
Yeah, wrestling is about theonly thing that it's it is set
up to be, I think for tv youknow a lot of people don't
consider them athletes.

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
But when you're there in person, especially up close,
like we're, that one time theheight of some of these moves
and and how these guys jump andwell so obviously they're pretty
athletic.

Speaker 1 (01:45:14):
my dad is not a wrestling fan whatsoever, but he
actually enjoys it.
Because of that side of it,like to me to say those guys are
not athletes.
You just got to go at leastonce because the stuff that they
can do is super impressive.
And you know, again, a lot ofthe stuff is fake, a lot of it
is scripted.
But there's a lot of thingslike you're still taking some

(01:45:38):
hard bumps, some hard shots,like you can only be slammed on
your back and on your head andon your you know, whatever.
So many times you're stillgoing to feel it Like it's not,
like I think there's nothing toit.

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
The hard part for most people is kind of what
we've said we don't call it asport, but they're athletes and
I think that's a hardcombination.

Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
Typically if you have an athlete, you have a sport.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
But do we want to get into that conversation?

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Not really probably Cheerleading's that way.
For me, I don't consider that asport, but they're athletes,
but they're athletes.

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
Yeah, 100%, you're right 100% To be able to do
those things.
So wrestling no malecheerleading is about you
because, like every, every big,I don't think brad's gonna like
that.
You just compared wrestling tocheerleading.

Speaker 1 (01:46:21):
Well, but he knows my true thoughts on it, because he
does.
I don't think that'scheerleading, but like,
obviously there's some of thestuff these guys do and and look
where they recruit from theseare.
Most of these guys are x, sometype of athlete they usually are
you know whether they're in, alot of whether they're, and a
lot of these guys are big timecollege.
A lot of these guys werewrestlers in college.
You know legitimate wrestlingand they end up going that route

(01:46:43):
.
So yeah, I mean they'reathletes.

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
So how do you feel about let's just get you in
trouble here Gymnastics Isgymnastics a sport?

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
you start going to an Olympic level of it, it feels
different.

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
Okay, because they have an.

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
Olympic thing with it , Because at the same time like
I don't think running's a sport,but when you start getting to
the Olympic side of sprintingand some of the things they do,
that feels like a sport.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
Because you change the competition level.
I get what you're saying untilI see people just sitting on a
sled and I'm like I don't knowif that's a sport.
Jamaica got a bobsled team.
Is that what you're thinkingLike?
That's an Olympic sport.
But is that a sport?
Are those guys athletes?
So I'll say this, or curlingthat's what it gets to me
curling.

Speaker 1 (01:47:24):
I don't know anything about those things, so to call
it a sport, so curling to mefeels almost like like a it's a
game Like cornhole.
It's a game right it feels likea backyard game that we've just
turned into something.

Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
But it's an Olympic sport.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
There's a lot of things that are Olympic sports.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
You're right, we go back to the Summer Olympics.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
I'm not saying everything that's an Olympic
sport is because to me shootingis not a sport.

Speaker 2 (01:47:49):
But they have so many shooting competition things
this year, last year, whateverit was we had the guy from
Turkey or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
But to me, just because it's a competition
doesn't make it a sport either.

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
I get that Because I can turn a lot of things into a
competition, so we have a winnerand a loser.

Speaker 1 (01:48:05):
but it ain't a sport, it's weird, because I mean, it
sounds like we're saying thereare some sports that don't have
athletes and there's someathletes that do something.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
That's not a sport.
What sport could you think thatdoesn't have athletes, like
you're saying, shooting?
Well, you said it's not a sport.
I guess I don't think that's asport.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
Yeah, and I don't think you need to be an athlete
to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
Because there's a buddy of mine I can think of
that is I would never tell himthis to his face that he's a
fantastic shooter.
That man has no athleticism inhis entire body.

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
Like I feel like he'd fall over looking at a sport.
So, like you said, that's not asport to you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:47):
Then even though it's in the Olympics.
No, not really.
It's to me, its own thing.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
I want to see if I can come up with something we
think is a sport that doesn'thave athletes to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:56):
I don't know that you can have a sport and not be an
athlete.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
Well, we determined that you can have athletes.
That's not a sport, yes, but soI want to see if we can come up
with the other way.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
But if you really look at it, most of those guys
did something else.
Most guys or girls didsomething else.
That was that made themathletes yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
I'm going to really do some research on this.

Speaker 1 (01:49:16):
There's a lot of people in this world Golf is not
a sport.
A lot of people say that andI've seen both sides of it.
I say it's a sport, but I'veseen both sides of it.
It's about to get really darkout here, but I've seen kind of
what people are saying about it.
But those guys are stillathletes, like the positions,
the speed that they have.
You have to be athletic to dosome of those things.

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
So that's another one that's not a sport, but
athletes.

Speaker 1 (01:49:40):
I kind of feel that way, but to me I feel like it's
a sport.
That's my view on it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
I kind of feel that way about racing a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
Well, we've talked about that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
In today's world, to me, racing, I don't feel it's a
sport, but I think some of thoseare athletes with what they're
doing.
It's different, it's unique.

Speaker 1 (01:49:59):
So I don't think so, because to me in an athlete you
can put them in any sport andthey could do something in it
Like me.
I'm not saying that I'm liketop-level athlete, I can play
anything, but I don't think mostare.

Speaker 2 (01:50:17):
I can do like I'm not a soccer player.
I go on a soccer field and looksomewhat like I know a little
bit of what I'm doing, but Idon't feel like most of your
golfers could go play othersports and be that good at them.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
Modern yes, former no .

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
Because if you look at the modern Scottie Scheffler,
he's not Basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
He's a basketball player.
Oh well okay, he played like,like.
If you take an actual goodbasketball player, he could play
some football, he could playsome soccer, he could play some
baseball and again, baseball'sthe hardest one.
It's a little bit different,but there's so many things like
you can just do, like put meplaying some goofy type of

(01:50:48):
dodgeball.
I can do it just because.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
I'm athletic, not because I'm actually good at it,
it's just I'm athletic so I cando it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
So that's where I think that changes it.
I mean, because athleticism isone of those things you can to
an extent do about anything.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
It's just doesn't mean you're going to do it well.
Well, I'm going to do someresearch on this and I'm going
to need some help with thelisteners.
I want to come up with a Idon't know something.
That's not a sport.

Speaker 1 (01:51:14):
Sorry, opposite.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
You want a sport that doesn't have athletes, that is,
the competitors are notathletes.

Speaker 1 (01:51:22):
Yeah Well, but I think a lot of people could
honestly say NASCAR.

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
So if you consider that a sport, but you didn't
consider the drivers as athletes, but there's a lot of people
that do, because some people'sidea of what's on ESPN it's got
to be a sport, right.
That's kind of the mindset Ifyou're reporting as a sport I
can see yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
And again.
But see, I think some of thoseguys are athletes.
The word sport is.

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
In motorsport it is, but it just feels like its own
separate thing to me.
But I don't think it takes thesame athletic abilities to do
what they do.
I'm not saying what they doisn't impressive, I don't mean
that You're right, but on thoseterms.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
and we've said like cornhole's a game, but you don't
have to be an athlete to playcornhole.

Speaker 1 (01:52:06):
But I think an athlete's better to start with
because your hand-eyecoordination Like it.
Just it's something different.

Speaker 2 (01:52:10):
Possibly, I could see that, but I could see where a
non-athlete could play, butagain, I don't consider that a
sport so I don't either I thinkyou're really getting into this
what's a sport and what's not,and gosh, that's such a you
could have an entire podcast onarguing that like there's just
so much that goes into that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:24):
Yeah, because even the the definition of it does
not really give you this.
Just here's a definitive linewhere you draw it, it just
doesn't feel that way.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
It's your opinion, I guess.
Yeah, to a lot of extent.
That's what's great, right.

Speaker 1 (01:52:39):
That's why we have a podcast.
You get to hear our opinions,whether you like it or not.
Yeah, you don't like it, youjust don't listen.

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
I mean, tell us about it if you don't like it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
I'm still trying to argue with somebody other than
you I can in the works with thepodcast.
So I mean there's a lot ofstuff that's going to be coming
out over the next few months.

Speaker 2 (01:52:59):
Well, we're sitting here at the range right now
Really pushing some stuff.
You know it actually justclosed so nobody can be here,
but I want some people to be outhere.

Speaker 1 (01:53:09):
But to me it's like give it another couple weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
I want to hear us talking about people's swings,
but we start oh, we will maccoma and absolutely destroy some
swings, if we want to.

Speaker 1 (01:53:19):
Give another couple weeks, though the biggest thing
is when we have 65 at night.
Yeah, then we stay packed.
I'm starting to get a littlebit cold out here.
It's gotten chilly, but it's 54now.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
It was 75.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
today it's 54.
So that feel like you feel muchcooler.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
You know I said that the other day.
When it gets in the 70s, atleast during the day, 50 at
night feels cold, yeah, but inthe winter 50 feels great you're
begging.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
So it's like this comparison yeah, it's very
different, but I think it's justthe comparison to where it was
to where it is yeah, so I don'tlike cold.
We've talked about that well, asI was saying there, there's a
bunch of stuff.
We have kind of plans.
Um, actually, within the nextprobably two to three episodes

(01:54:05):
not sure exactly the timelinewe're probably going to start
having a few guests on with us.
We've got some some people that, a few people that are begging
to get on in, a few people thatwe're probably begging to get on
.
So, however you want to look atit, but I think we're going to
have some people, some moreinsight and just kind of some
hopefully putting a voice tosome of the names we've talked

(01:54:26):
about.
So I think we'll have some funwith kind of some different
perspectives and, hopefully,somebody that David can argue
with, because he's tired ofarguing with me Listen so
actually you can argue with Will.
You and Will will argue plenty.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
I'm sure Some of these people we bring on I might
not get a word in.
I'm going to have to, you know,really jump in there on some
stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:54:44):
Yeah, you're just going to have to interject.

Speaker 2 (01:54:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:54:46):
You're going to start kicking me like.
Hit the mute button.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
Like I need to say something.
Can you mute, for Like threetopics ago I wanted to say
something, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:54:55):
And sometimes it almost feels like that, like
you'll be saying something, likeI'll have something, but you're
on a good topic, so I just letit go and then I forget.

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
I know I did the same thing, I had something.

Speaker 1 (01:55:06):
Or every week we turn it off.

Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
I was going to talk about this.
It's always happening becausewe don't want to go for four
hours.
We probably could.
Cause we don't want to go forfour hours.
We probably could.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
You know, I worked for a company years ago and I
was a part of like a safetycommittee.
Yeah, and when they done safetymeetings they would do like
from noon to four, like likefour hours.
Instead of having an all daymeeting, you come back the next
day and do like eight in themorning to like noon.
And they said exactly thatthing.
If you sit in a meeting, allday.

Speaker 1 (01:55:33):
You almost forget stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
You guys had an 8 hour safety meeting.
It was like once a month oronce every few months and we'd
eat lunch.
It's almost like a big seminartype thing kind of, but it was
only for different people fromdifferent parts of the company
so basically you're calling asafety meeting, but it's not
exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
It's like a safety?
I don't know what you call it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
They bring people from different parts of the
company because they think youhave a different point of view
than somebody that's doing thatwork every day, basically.
So anyways, but the point ofthat splitting it up was if you
have a meeting, you go home andyou realize oh, I forgot about
this.

Speaker 1 (01:56:06):
I forgot about that, so they give you an opportunity
to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:09):
And so I thought that was pretty smart actually,
because it happens all the timeit 100% does 100%.

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
But in case you were wondering, next week it's going
to be a bunch more basketballtalk because we're going to be
into the NCAA tournament, butthere will probably also be a
lot of NFL free agency talkbecause we're right there at
that Already been a few bigthings.
The Bills have absolutely paidJosh Allen.
They redid his contract andhe's getting some money.

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
I might try to bring in some NASCAR, but it just
hasn't been that exciting.

Speaker 1 (01:56:38):
Well, so I will say this In the golf world, the
unofficial fifth major, theplayers, that's this weekend
Players' Championship at TPCSawgrass.
Most people may not know whatthat course is, but they know
about the Island Green on 17just because it's so polarizing.
So we have that coming up thisweekend.

Speaker 2 (01:56:58):
So that's the first first really big tournament next
week.
Be on the lookout, our podcastmay come out early, right yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:57:06):
So we're actually getting ready to make a shift um
within the next week or two,probably switching from thursday
release to tuesday release umthat's exciting.
You can hear us so much earlierin the week scheduling things
makes it easier for us and forsome of the stuff we want to
talk about.
So, yeah, we're going to moveit up for foreseeable future.
I mean, if you guys have aproblem with it call.

(01:57:27):
David, I don't know, I don'treally want to hear it, so maybe
call David Shooting star.

Speaker 2 (01:57:32):
Send a complaint to.
I don't know something.

Speaker 1 (01:57:38):
I'll find something for that, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:57:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:57:41):
We'll make a text line for complaints only just
because that could be fun too.
I'm probably never going tolook at it, but no, I'm just
kidding, oh no, I'll send themto you because you'll be the one
that gets bothered by certainthings.
I won't care.

Speaker 2 (01:57:54):
Yeah, so what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:57:56):
Again somebody you can argue with.
That's the whole point.

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
Yeah, I'm trying.

Speaker 1 (01:58:00):
Well, as always, we appreciate you guys being with
us.
We're having a lot of fun.
Hopefully you're enjoying theroad that this has been so far
and what it's going to be.
But again, reach out Facebook,instagram, all the stuff.
Be looking out Again.
Brian's still doing a great jobkeeping up with all that We've
got to get Brian on.

Speaker 2 (01:58:19):
We've got to figure that out.
He's going to have to make atrip.
He's not local to us.
No, he's going to have to makea trip and we'll do a special
episode or something, get himinvolved.

Speaker 1 (01:58:27):
But yeah, we've got a .
I know of three people alreadythat we're ready to get some
guest time.

Speaker 2 (01:58:35):
Can we take bids or something maybe?

Speaker 1 (01:58:38):
Sponsorship.
To get on the episode.

Speaker 2 (01:58:40):
I don't know how that works.

Speaker 1 (01:58:43):
We've got some people in mind already that have been
wanting to, so looking forwardto what that looks like.
Yeah, I'm excited for that too.
I don't know that I'm lookingforward to the editing side of
that, but yeah, I'll figure itout.

Speaker 2 (01:58:54):
I guess I don't have to worry about that.

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
But yeah, I mean I'll figure it out, I guess, but I
don't have to worry about that.
No, no, yeah, the three peopleis just going to make it a
little bit more of a headache,but it's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
We know how I am.
I like to show up wheneverything's set up.
Just I sit down and talk andget on the move.

Speaker 1 (01:59:10):
You didn't do that today, you guys yeah thanks,
everybody we're having fun and,uh, we will see you next week.

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