Straw Dilemmas, Game Plans, and Film Flashbacks

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Speaker 1 (00:20):
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(01:06):
uh opening monologue I thinkeventually and I'll I'll get it
a little bit better.
It's still a little bit like Idon't know how I want to say it,
but I'm getting closer.
That's okay.
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I am saying it.
That's the the biggest thing,because I get yelled at too many
times when I forget it and it'dbe like right at the end I'm
like I don't know what you'retalking about.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
You know exactly what I'm talking about, but you were
talking a second ago.
It has been a really good weekand we were saying for something
very minor to a lot of peopleit's not minor.
To me it is not to me either,and so President Trump decided
to sign an executive order toget rid of paper straws.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
So we're going back to plastic, plastic.
So I've heard the one sidewhere they're.
You know you've got to save theplanet, the plastic waste and
all this.
I get that.
Until you change the watercompanies using as much plastic
as they do, the straws aren'teffective.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Well, that was my thought too.
You go in any store, anywhereyou go, there's plastic bottles
and drinks and all thesedifferent cartons and containers
everything's made of plastic.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
But we're gonna start with plastics in it.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
We're gonna start with these little straws, like
that was gonna save the earthand if you've never used a paper
straw correct I.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
I hope you never have to now, but you shouldn't have
to at this point I mean trump,trump's fixing that for the most
part, because I, I meanespecially I remember it vividly
in a town just next door to us,going to ashville yep, the
paper straws everywhere, yep,you know.
Or when we go to the beach,every time we go on vacation, I
feel like I really remember itbeing being paper straws there

(02:44):
and I'm like those after twodrinks like your, your mouth
sticking to your straw and itjust tastes like you've been
chewing on I can't stand thefeel of paper in my mouth.
But then you're telling me Ihave to drink from paper.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Like I can't, I can't do it paper and liquid doesn't
seem like it goes together itdoesn't.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
I mean, have you like , like a sheet of notebook paper
?
Have you ever gotten water onit?
Look what happens to it so Iwonder whose idea?

Speaker 2 (03:08):
said you know what?
I don't like those straws there.
That's bad for environment.
A paper, that's where thatpaper like.
There's so many other things wecould use than paper sorry, I'm
a little too far left here.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
That's kind of where those straws came from.
I had to readjust.
The only place those strawscame from was left side of that
aisle.
They, they were the same reason.
That it's we gotta do theelectric cars.
We have to worry about climatechange like yes don't get me
started on climate change.
Take care of your planet, butthose things are not.

(03:41):
Not the Like.
Take care of your local people.
Like for me, take care ofpeople before I take care of
everything else and all thatwill go together Like I'm fine
with that.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
We talked about this too.
I recently well, somewhatrecently went to McDonald's
drive-thru and I thought I'mgoing to grab an Oreo McFlurry I
don't get them very often andthey handed me a Chinese food
box or something and I was likewhat is this?
And so they changed what theyput them in.
They used to be in the cups andnow they're in this little like

(04:12):
cardboard carton.
It looks like what you getChinese takeout in, and I read
on the window or somewhere thatthat's why they're doing it to
help cut back on plastic, Iguess, and save the environment.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
They do realize that all of their large cups are
plastic, so all the coffee theysell is plastic.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
They sell tons of drinks and thought let's start
with the ice cream container.
That's where we're going tomake the biggest difference.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Well, that's the smallest difference.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
I mean their ice cream machine is always broken.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
So you're not getting ice cream much.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
So you're not saving much no.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Like of all the things, it's like, yeah, the
thing that we do the least of,let's start there, like what,
what sense does?

Speaker 2 (04:50):
that make.
Is that what people do, to say,hey, we're saving the planet
and they're really just, I meanpotentially.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
But everybody does something small and they're like
look at us, look at us.
And it's like, well, let'sreally look at it, you're not
doing anything yeah, like that,don't get me wrong.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
We all need to do our part and every little bit, but
that helps, like when I hearpeople say that, though it
almost just like, annoys me atthis point.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
So, like, I'll do your part.
What does that mean, like tosome people?
Do your part is we got to be,you know, all electric, we gotta
be this.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Okay, that doesn't work no, that's not our part in
our country.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
That doesn't work.
Say what, that's not our partIn our country.
That doesn't work.
Say what you want the electriccars, whatever.
It doesn't work.
When you have to travelinterstate systems and you're
going 10, 15-hour trips, You'vegot to stop for an hour or more
to charge it.
That's another stop.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
For me, there's a new show out and I can't think of
what it's called.
I haven't watched the show.
I've seen a couple of clips onsocial media or somewhere.
It came up and it's about anoil company, I don't know if
you've seen it or not.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
No I haven't man.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
it's a really known actor.
I can't think of who it is.
Anyways, it's an oil companyand the lady's kind of like well
, I'm not for drilling in theground.
And his basic comment was ourgreat-grandparents built this
country running on oil and untilwe find something different,
this is what we got to do, yougot to do it.
And he's like if we wentelectric we couldn't make it.

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We don't have theinfrastructure.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
We don't have the charging stuff, we don't have
nothing, we would be done.
Think about our small littletown.
I can think of one chargingstation there at the college.
There's those two little onesright there at the entrance of
the college.
That's it.
That's it, yeah, other thanlike people privately at their
homes.
So you know, all of a suddenyou get an influx of 10,000 cars

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in our county.
It can't handle it.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
But that's just cars.
There's so much other things inmaking the batteries and making
the cars and making the roads.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Like you can't just say let's go electric cars and
we're going to fix it.
Well, but it's the same.
It's the same thing thateverybody went through this fad
of you know, uh, wind power andthey're doing all these giant
turbines, the amount of materialit takes to make it, yeah, and
then it's impossible to disposeof.
Like I understand you're tryingto solve, you know, go to the
next thing.
But when you see it's notworking, stop trying to push it,

(07:09):
like, say that's, when you justsay look, yeah, it didn't work,
we're going to go on the nextthing, do something cool like
I'm fine with.
I'm not saying don't try otherthings.
Like to me.
Like I think, legitimately, thesmartest way forward is going to
be on that hybrid side, that tome makes sense, because it's
like, all right, driving aroundtown I'm all electric, but my
car is charging itself and thenif that battery dies or I go

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above certain speed and it needsthe help, I switch to gas.
Well, I think that's going tobe with everything.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
You know that we're trying to go more green than
everybody calls it.
Everything needs to be hybrid.
There's some things you youknow electric probably has its
place in certain areas, maybewind turbines and all that has
its place in areas but you'renot going to be able to get rid
of no, so I don't see windmaking sense anywhere, because
because the these I'm thinkingmore off grid, I guess I know,

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but these giant windmills, Imean I don't think people really
understand how big they arelike one of the blades is an
oversized load going down theinterstate.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, that's one, yeah, and most of them have a
minimum of three.
And then to dispose of them,you can't bury them, you can't
burn them, you can't, so youhave to cut them and then they
just lie around so you can'tdispose of them.
And that's not even countingall the materials that goes to
to build them.
Yeah, so you know, try not toget on that whole soapbox of
like stop just feeding us crapthat doesn't work.

(08:25):
Like.
I'm all for trying things, butonce it doesn't work, stop
trying like it.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Just, we can't keep doing and the price to do those
things are astronaut in otherwords, leave my straws alone and
give me the cups back atmcdonald's for my mcflurry and
just give me good old gasoline,I'm good with it.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, I'm fine with it.
It's quick, it's easy, drillhere, create jobs what's the
term drill, baby drill?
Drill, baby drill.
I hadn't heard that in a while.
So, yeah, I mean, obviouslythat's.
That's something that trumpsigned here recently.
It's hard to keep up witheverything he's signing.
The man has been busy.
He's on it.
He's been very busy.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Um, I'm just curious, though, though, we'll take the
straws.
For instance, when he signs anexecutive order who enforces
that the restaurant down theroad here is using plastic
straws and not paper straws.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
So for a lot of the people, I feel like they were
doing it, because it was like wefeel like we have to, but as
soon as it's like that, it'slike all right.
We don't feel like we have to,but as soon as it's like that,
it's like all right.
We don't feel like we have toanymore.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
So I don't I don't really know where the
enforcement.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Like a lot of these executive orders, because these
are not laws.
Obviously he can't.
He can't write a law intoexistence like that.
Has to go through a much biggerprocess and that's good.
I mean, a president should notbe allowed to just write laws
and no president because thatthat would get out of control
very quickly.
Yep, and then for you know allyour local people to have to
keep up with new laws constant,like it changes.
Enough as it is, they don'tneed to have to deal with that.
So again, I don't.

(09:49):
I don't know where that reallygoes.
I mean, you always talk about,well, the president can sign
these orders.
Okay, now what?
Like it's just, it's, it's ahard thing.
I, it's the same thing.
I'm interested to read thedeclassification of some of the
JFK MLK.
There's one other that was onthat I keep forgetting, but he

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signed that and it's like a45-day wait period and then it's
like, okay, well, when we getit, it's still going to have
some classified stuff.
So we're not going to get afully declassified.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
It just doesn't work that way.
Somebody's probably in the backjust writing up a story that
will fit everybody.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
And maybe and it'll hold people over for another
what 10 years Kind of like theoriginal did, and then now it's
like all right now, what?

Speaker 2 (10:36):
If somebody just wrote up a story that had some
of the pieces that theconspiracy theorists wanted it
to have, but don't go to theirextent, they'll be like, oh okay
, yeah, we knew it had some ofthat, and then netflix.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, they're writing everything they are just
netflix is gonna, they'll have ashow on it.
That's, that's the way it'sgonna work.
Netflix is gonna carry it awaywell, I mean half the, so don't
go wrong.
There are some netflix,especially on the movie side.
I don't watch much of theirshows, the movie side.
There's some of them prettygood and there's others that I'm
like we are scraping bottom ofthe barrel for some actors here
Speaking of movies.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
we talked about Blockbuster last week.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
I actually asked my daughter about it today.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
She didn't know what Blockbuster was.
I guess she's heard us talkabout it in the past.
Okay, I was surprised.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, I'm trying to think.
I can obviously remember wherethe Blockbuster was here local,
but like could you start gettingany of our little surrounding
towns?

Speaker 2 (11:27):
I couldn't tell you where one was because you only
go to your local one.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Usually like obviously.
I mean we lived in.
We lived in Shelby for a whileand I know exactly where that
one was, but it was like twodoors down from the local like
family owned uh video place.
So it was very weird to have itso, so close.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
It was Two Doors Down , not Three Doors Down.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
No, not Three Doors Down.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
No, no, that band must have been named from
something else.
I thought maybe it was namedfrom Blockbuster being, you know
.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Two Doors Down.
I'm sure there's a story on theband name, but I've never
actually looked at it.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
I don't either.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
As much as I've listened to that about where the
name came, which I don'ttypically there's a lot of bands
that way yeah, well, we wereliterally just looking at it and
you're like oh, forgot aboutthe foo fighters.
So you're like oh, let me golook it up.
And we looked at it for 10minutes.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
It was like it wasn't as exciting as I thought it was
gonna.
Be no, you wanted to have areally good backstory.
It's kind of just like yeah,okay, yeah maybe it means a lot
to them.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
I mean, maybe that's part of it, but like to us.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
It was just kind of a we'll just leave it hanging
here there.
If you want to know what foodfighters, if you want to know,
go look, it was still confusing,it still wasn't.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Wasn't anything that I felt like I just needed to let
everyone know, I thought theband was fighting food and I
wanted to know what food was.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
And then it turned out that's not the case at all.
It's not exactly how that was.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
So I don't know.
But anyways, so Well if PastSunday.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
I was saying, in case you've been living under a rock
, we had a really big footballgame we did.
That just happened, and it wasa big game.
It was not a good game.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
It wasn't a good game at all.
It was a very different thing.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
As much crap as I feel like, especially myself
talked saying there's no way theChiefs lose.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
When you play that bad, it don't matter who you're
playing, you're losing becausethey looked awful so you got a
lot of people saying, see, look,we told you the refs don't help
them, you can't help that much.
Um, and then I got peoplesaying, well, this is what
happens when the refs don't helpthem.
So I don't know, it's probablysomething again.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
I mean I watched portions of the game.
I'm not invested in either team, so I didn't just sit down and
just watch every second, but alot of the stuff I saw I'm like,
look, they're missing a fewcalls here and there, which is
natural, it's expected, but Ithought they did both ways from
what I saw, but I didn't feellike it was that bad.
That may be the worst game I'veseen Patrick Mahomes play.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
They're like oh yeah, what contributes to that he?

Speaker 1 (13:44):
had three touchdowns and they were all at a point
that didn't make any difference.
His first one came.
It was like 37 or nothing, socool, congrats.
Your next one, it was40-something to 12.
And then his final one wasafter they'd already poured
Gatorade on the coach.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
It's like all right, that doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
The Eagles front line line, front defensive line,
really got after him theyabsolutely destroyed kansas
city's front, and they didn'tneed a lot of blitzing to do it
no, just those big boys up frontabsolutely tore through the
line all night long.
It felt like if mahomes wasn'tgetting hit, he was at least
pressured, having to run for hislife, having to, you know, take
off, and it didn't look very so.

(14:24):
It's really funny.
It's start of the start of thegame.
If anybody's watching the firsttime we've seen it taylor swift
gets brought up and the placeerupts in booze.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
I know and because they equate her with kansas city
.
I was like nobody wanted kansascity.
I was like if we're.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
If we're to the point that we're booing taylor swift,
you know, other than thehardcore swifties.
If we're booing taylor swift,we're starting the point that
we're booing Taylor Swift otherthan the hardcore Swifties.
If we're booing Taylor Swift,we're starting to make a turn,
because that's not happened yet,at least we've not heard it.
It's not been that audible andyou could see she felt very
weird Because she's like why amI getting that kind of heat?
Well there's not a bunch of14-year-old girls at the Super

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Bowl.
Then, after it's been a coupledays Afterwards, travis Kelsey's
like.
I felt so helpless I couldn'thelp her.
I'm like why are you focused onthat?

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, you're playing the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
You're getting ready to do something that you know,
talking about a three-peat of aSuper Bowl.
That when was?

Speaker 2 (15:15):
the last time that was done.
I don't feel sorry for anybodywhen you're famous like that.
The boos, the up and down liketake it.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
I mean, come on, it's just part.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Well, because here's the thing I felt hopeless like
come on.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
There's nothing that taylor swift does that I like.
Like her music, that's just notmy style.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
I liked some of the country stuff a long time ago,
but she's nowhere near thatanymore.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
That's just not my style of music.
But again, I do recognize she'sobviously done very big things
in her career.
Congrats for her.
But eventually there's gonna bepeople that don't like you, and
it's okay, yeah, like, don'tget your feelings hurt, just
move on.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
I didn't know travis kelsey, that's kind of on his
podcast.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
So him and his brother on the podcast.
It was like I just felthelpless.
It's like if you're thinkingabout that, you're no help to me
I mean, as far as the game goes, she's extremely famous.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Like she comes to the , she has 10 times more money
than you do travis it okay.
Yeah, what do you mean?
She'll help us right like she'sgetting publicity.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Leave it alone.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
You've become more famous because of her we would
not have talked about hertonight if she hadn't got booed.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Oh gosh, no I thought it was hilarious, especially
her facial expressions.
I think it's the first timeshe's probably ever been truly
booed like majority booze.
Yeah majority and it's like shedidn't know what to do with it.
To me, it's just like wave yourhand and be like I get it.
Yeah, like I know I'm gettingit and it's okay.
Just roll with it, and she didnot, not one bit Talking about

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her.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
I didn't see all of it.
I saw pieces of the halftimeshow.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
I didn't watch any of it.
Here's the thing it had nothingto do with this halftime show.
I don't think I ever watchedthe halftime show.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
They're not any good anymore.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Um, they just it.
That doesn't do anything for me.
I don't really care for.
I'm not a huge person of likelive performances, anyways,
maybe in person, but notwatching one on TV.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Well, well, I thought the sound is.
Usually, I'm gonna say itwasn't good.
He didn't sound good.
Um, just, the overallproduction felt weird and I told
you this beforehand.
I think it's weird that nfl, orwhoever is over it, let him use
the halftime show to take shotsat drake, like.
I don't feel like that's thetime to do that listen.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
It makes them both relevant to have a feud in that
world.
To me it means nothing.
I could care less.
I don't care either people thatare invested in.
That make no sense to me.
Like I understand, likeobviously you know how brad is.
Brad loves, you know, somecontroversy.
He loves to see some of thatstuff, but that's not even
something that he's like superinvested in.
But there's so many people thatlike live on.

(17:41):
Oh, did you see what they saidabout each other?
No, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I don't care if I get the halftime of the super bowl.
As an artist, I'm using thatfor me.
I'm not bringing nobody elseinto it.
I'm not talking about anybodyelse.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
I'm gonna go out and perform and put on a show for me
I like when some of these bigbig groups or whatever, they
bring in somebody else and it'sjust like this cool, like
one-off, you've never seenbefore, and they, they mesh into
a song oh yeah, I'm all forthat, but I'm talking about as
far as feuding.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
I'm not bringing in an outside feud and stuff like
that.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
If me and you hate each other and they call me and
say, hey, we want you to thehalftime show.
The last thing I'm thinkingabout to you.
Oh, I know like I don't give acrap what you're doing, because
you have to sit there and watchme on tv I've already won.
I'm on the super bowl I've won.
Yeah, like it's cool, yeah,like I'll go do my thing to the
best that I can.
And you have to know, man, theydidn't call me.
Yep, like, there you go, fuseover, that's it.

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That's me like it's it's done.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Well, you see how quickly we went from the game to
taylor, swift to that time show.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
That tells what kind of game it was yeah, so I
remember I didn't even get towatch the beginning of it and I
was with somebody.
I was with Brad and he's likehe goes already up seven to
nothing.
I was like that's quick.
And then from there it was likenever.
It never got back close, Likeit was close when they, when

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they flipped the coin and fromcoin flip on it was it was a
wrap.
So it was not.
It was definitely not a goodsuper bowl like that's one game
like you want to be, even youstill want to be a good game,
and that wasn't a good, justlike final game.
Now, don't be wrong, I notdefinitely not an eagles fan,
being a cowboys fan, but I'dmuch rather eagles win than the

(19:19):
chiefs yeah, it's everybodytuned in to either see the
chiefs win or the chiefs getdestroyed right, exactly and
exactly, and I think themajority won to be honest with
you, because there's way more ofus that wanted them to lose.
Now I think it's awesome.
Jalen Hurts got his first SuperBowl in his second attempt,
saquon, coming from the crapthat he was at before with the

(19:40):
Giants.
Yeah, that was good for him andthey're like, oh, we're not
going to pay a running backbecause he's not that important
and you see what he did fortheir offense this year Didn't
have a great Super Bowl, butstill he brings so much eyes on
him that it opens up everythingelse.
So I mean, I think it was forthem fantastic.
Now, moving forward, the Eaglesyet again for Jalen Hurts are

(20:02):
going to have a new offensivecoordinator.
Oh, he left he is now the headcoach of the Saints.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah, Kellen Moore because he was actually.
That's a good problem to have.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
I guess he was offensive coordinator for the
Cowboys at one point he wasthere and he'd moved around a
few different times Reallyreally good at what he does.
But for Hurts he said it he hashad a different OC every single
year since he's been in theleague.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Don't a lot of those have that, though?
No, you don't see that kind ofmovement.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Not that much, Not like this, Not like this.
Now, the thing that you willsee on his team more because
they've been so relevant and sogood for this point, those guys
are going to get more attention.
But I mean, you look atsomebody like the Panthers.
The only way that they'relosing people is because they
get fired, Not because you'regetting a job.
Nobody's going anywhere else.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Well, that's why I say it's a good problem to have.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
If people want your coaches, then you've done well,
the team's done well, so it's agood problem to have, To an
extent.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
I mean, like Ohio State, they just hired a new
defense coordinator.
He was a defense coordinator inthe NFL and basically kind of
took a step back.
So I'm like, well, how well ishe doing?
Is that a step back?
But he was a head coach for theLions, then went to defense
coordinator of the Patriots andnow is in college.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
I guess he's coming back.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
He's kind of gone backwards a little bit.
Now I think this could help ifhe, if he does well there, he
grows back.
He can grow back into.
Let's go get a good NFL job nowwhich the Patriots really
wasn't.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
That's what Harbaugh did.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
He kind of left the.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
NFL come back to college, done really well there
and then the NFL wanted himright back.
I mean that's what Saban did?

Speaker 1 (21:36):
He just never went back.
He did great, went to the NFL,didn't work out, came back was
like alright, I'm back on topboys.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
When he got on top back in college he probably
could have got an NFL job if hewanted it.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Oh yeah, he's still got options.
Look at Chip Kelly.
He just went to the Raiders.
He was in college.
He was a head coach in the NFL,didn't work out, went back to
bounce around some colleges andnow he's back in the NFL as
office coordinator and I thinkhe'll do well as an OC.
I don't see him as a head coachtype, but an OC there with some
weapons.
If the Raiders can get aquarterback, I think that's the

(22:12):
biggest thing.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
That's what some of these coordinators are really
good at what they do.
I agree.
And when they become a headcoach, it's hard to juggle being
a head coach and try to callplays or whatever.
So I think they lose that andthey depend on somebody else and
really they're the best onethat should be calling the plays
.
That's how I feel about chipkelly well, he needs to call.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
So it's really hard.
Though you have so much to doas a head coach, it is really
hard to be on the sideline,especially defense, because to
me defense makes more sense upin the booth yeah, you got to
see the whole picture you see itall, if you're calling plays
from the field, that's tough.
Offense not quite as tough, butstill I kind of get it a little

(22:50):
bit more.
But these guys that are headcoach calling plays and are
still successful, that's superimpressive to me.
Yeah, because that's so hard todo.
Like you said for Chip Kelly,if he does fantastic, they make
him a head coach again.
That's not a strong suit.
He's shown you I'm really goodat scoring points and calling
plays.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
He just kind of needs to stay in that role.
If he goes and becomes a headcoach again and then hires an OC
to call the plays, the playcalling probably takes a step
back because he is so good atthat.
I couldn't do that if I was himFor me.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
It'd be really tough too, though, if you know you're
a good OC and now you hire an OCand you're like crap, why are
we calling those plays it's?

Speaker 3 (23:28):
always kind of a second guess.
You're going to second guessthem.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
You're not really, and that guy may feel that you
don't really have his back, whenin reality it's just kind of
your nature.
Like man, I would have probablydone this or I would do this,
and then then there's alwaysthis dispute that happens well,
and you would nitpick everythingthat goes wrong.
For sure, if it goes right,you're like okay good job.
Anything goes wrong, like Iwould have done something
different but then at the end ofthe day, very now, I feel like

(23:52):
we're seeing it more often pastcouple years, but very rarely do
you see head coaches stay andcoordinators get fired.
Usually it's a head coach getsfired and then one of those
coordinators usually slides up,or it's a whole new system group
yep but very rarely like now.
I will say this year especially,there was probably four or five
teams before that head coachwas gone.
They were already like cleaningthe house, like we got to find

(24:14):
some new stuff.
I'm trying to keep my job endedup not keeping it anyways, yeah
, but there's a lot of new, newcoaches coming up for nfl this
next.
I mean Bears have a new one,saints have a new one, jets have
a new one.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Every year you get a lot of new ones.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
You're probably talking eight to ten this year.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
So you say new.
How many of those are actuallynew, or just was that a
different team a year or two ago?

Speaker 1 (24:36):
So several of these guys is the first time being a
head coach.
Okay, they've been coaches.
I like to see that They've beencoaches, but they've not had
the chance to really lead it.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
I feel like you see coaches go from team to team to
team.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
They get recycled a lot.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
And they'll be out a year or two doing something else
, and then somebody hires themand then they just keep doing
this.
Well, like Vrabel at thePatriots.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
He was with the Titans.
He stepped away.
That's the first job.
Ben Johnson, where'd he go?
He was from the Lions.
He went and got a job.
The guy at the Jaguars thatleft from Tampa, that's his
first.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Oh yeah, he was at Kentucky for a couple years.
We're seeing quite a few, acouple years he came to Kentucky
done really well left, cameback, said I want to be here and
then left again.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Well, it's kind of what he did with Tampa too, he
did yeah.
Kind of a whole mess, but we'reseeing a lot.
I mean, I think we're seeingprobably five or six like
first-time coaches.
So I'm curious to see how theydo.
Obviously, you know the Cowboyssame thing he's a first-time
head coach, yeah, so we'll seekind of what happens with all
that.
Speaking of kind of a headcoach, one thing we talked about

(25:47):
will Dion make the jump?
Well, dion recently came outand said I can't coach the NFL.
He was very straight up and Iwas very like I respect it
Because he said what do I haveto offer those guys?
They've made it.
Like I can recruit and I can dowell in college because I can

(26:07):
get you there.
But when I'm talking to theseguys that have money, that are
there, what can I really offerthem?

Speaker 2 (26:13):
I was surprised when his name came up there before.
Because of that reason, becauseof him being Dion and what he
seems to be about even though Idon't love some of his antics
and his whatever you want tocall it shenanigans and little
over the top stuff I feel likehe can bring in young kids and
say hey look, guys, I made itthere, I know how to get there,

(26:34):
I know what it takes.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Let me teach you the thing is, I didn't just make it,
I excelled yeah, he was.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah, you know I think he needs to get away with
some of the stuff he's talkingabout and and focus more on.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
I don't think that'll ever happen, probably not the
on, probably not it's prime time, but it's all about the
limelight I think, and that'sokay, I mean if it's working,
it's working because this yearwas a huge step from previous it
goes four and eight to then,but I think he needs to get out.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
He needs to get out of colorado.
I think he can do bigger,better things somewhere else.
Oh, I, I definitely think heneeds to get out of Colorado.
I think he can do bigger,better things somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Oh, I definitely think he leaves there.
No, I think he maybe got one ortwo more there and then I think
somebody comes calling If hedoes at least a minimum of last
year.
Yeah, If all of a sudden theyturn and make a college playoff.
Somebody's calling.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
It's showing that he can do it.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
then, like you said, recruiting, recruiting if
nothing else but recruitingstuff, somebody should bring him
in for that so I don't thinkyou'll ever see dion get a call
from alabama or lsu or ohiostate and be like, hey, we're
gonna bring you in as acoordinator.
That's not dion.
Dion's gonna run the show yeah,so you can't say, hey, come be a

(27:42):
coordinator and you can help merecruit.
That's's not going to fly withhim.
I just don't see it.
But if one of those teams allof a sudden starts kind of
falling off, hey, let's go get abig name.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
There's your big name .
He's going to bring people.
I don't think he goes to thoseschools first until he starts
being a little more successful,but I can see that next year.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
So to me, I think the next big job that comes open
Deion's my first call.
I see that with anybody, and Ithink the reason is because, if
you can say look what he's doingat Colorado.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Give him more resources.
Sky's the limit.
I see him going to a FloridaState, a Miami.
Not quite that big time, butright behind it.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Hang on though.
Florida State andamihistorically are two of the
biggest programs in all ofcollege football that's what I
mean, and they're kind of down alittle bit one year for florida
state and miami's already beenmaking their resurgence.
Past past five or six yearswe've seen that, like two and
ten miami team turn into onegame away from the playoff and
really they didn't get the play.
I don't put them on the level asalabama, oh Well, but that's to

(28:44):
me the issue with that that'skind of a little bit of recency
bias, because I think the samething, because, like, if I'm
going to say who's the best, weimmediately go.
Alabama, ohio State, oregon'sbeen up there every year the
past several.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
See, I don't even put Oregon in that status.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Problem is that for the past seven years they've
been one of the top 10 teamsevery single year.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
So it's like, well, at this point you kind of have
to I guess I look at the onesthat were winning the
championships, and you know,your georgia clemson was there
for a while, but they've taken astep back a little bit see, but
that that's another one.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
I I've got a friend on facebook and he's talking
about there's been this wholething with hubert davis.
We'll kind of get into thathere in a little bit but uh, at
carolina, but he's like well,you know it didn't work out
great for dabbo at the beginningand all of a sudden, you know,
it turned around for him.
Well, really, they were onlyrelevant for like two or three
years.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Like they, they won a championship or two and then,
like I thought this man was alittle more than that, they were
there, but they're not winningyeah like by the, by the metric
of you saying like you have tokind of win the championship for
me to put you there.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
I wouldn't put them there yeah and really all the
clemson fans, because we'reoverrun with them here in our
area because it's just down themountain.
They talk about how greatthey've been for so long.
Well, let's look at all of the90s and early 2000s.
You guys barely were makingbowl games like yeah, I don't
think like they weren't goodsince the 80s I went and watched
uh kentucky play clemson in themusic city bowl years ago.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Yeah, I mean right so I mean what?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
no one that many years, don't say years like that
.
I ain't that old, I mean no, no, no, but that's been.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Think about it.
Sit here and actually thinkabout how long ago was that it's
been um me, me and your sisterhave been married since 2013.
It was before that.
It was before that.
That's what I was gonna say.
Okay, so?

Speaker 2 (30:24):
that's.
That's 12 years 11, 12, 10 okay, so you're talking 15 years.
That's a long time, and theworld of sports 15 years, like
you said, the emphasis you puton it, that's what I mean.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
15 years like you're not a spring chicken anymore.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
All right, we'll just say that I don't know, what
that means spring chicken goodlittle southern, good little
southern saying from around here.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
So you've got the old man sayings coming out of there
.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Just a few.
I mean, there's plenty of oldmen here to listen to.
Yeah, you ain't that far behindme.
No, I'm not Heck past them.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
I feel older, I feel about like 80.
Hey, speaking of sayings, Ilistened to the podcast last,
last week.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Okay, there's a team I think I want to try to get you
to say this again okay, um theI don't know where we're going.
The cardinal team in kentuckywhat?

Speaker 2 (31:13):
what city are they?

Speaker 1 (31:14):
that's louisville it is not louisville, yes, because
because people kentucky can'tspeak no doesn't mean that
they're correct.
It is not louisville,louisville it's like that sounds
like you're choking on yourtongue.
Well, maybe that's what theywere when they named the city.
I mean, if you were doing likewith english pronunciation,
which nobody's gonna say it thisway, be louisville, nobody's
gonna say that exactly.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
See, nobody's gonna say no, it's gonna say that.
But so you can't say louisvillelike the name.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
But the name l-o-u-i-s is louis.
Okay, what's the point?
Louisville, it'd be the samething.
No, the same thing, no, butthat's the same thing.
It's called.
It's called a hollow andeverybody says down in the
holler, just but just becauseyour country doesn't mean it's
the correct word, it's uh, soyou can't really say the

(31:58):
spelling, because there's a lotof things that people spell a
certain way, but they'repronounced different.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
So it's whatever they named it, okay, so it doesn't
matter how it's spelled, andit's in kentucky and everybody
in that city and all kentuckycall it louisville.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
It is louisville and if I caught it in the moment, I
would have called you on thelouisville louisville cardinals.
No, the louisville cardinals,it's not okay to say it wrong
like it'd be fine.
I know you're right you'll befine, say well, I mean, if we're
gonna go off of words ofvocabulary here like I, would
win that one for sure, not, notlouisville, yeah, but that's
okay.
It's okay, listen, you are fromwestern north carolina and

(32:35):
that's okay yeah, but we okay,hang on if we're gonna talk
about people that say somereally dumb things.
Look at the, look at the townjust next to us.
Okay, see, drives me insane,like the spelling the and, and.
Then, if you really want to getinto it, anything that's irish
all sounds unbelievably wrong.
It makes no sense.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
But those are.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Whatever people say they are, if they're from there,
and that's what they named it,it doesn't matter how they
spelled it yes but, the issuewith a lot of that is people
have been saying just becauseyou've been saying it wrong for
50 years doesn't mean it'scorrect.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
I wonder.
So I know some of the nationalmedia say Louisville and they
really put that Louis in there,yes, but I feel like a lot of
people do say Louisville, evenin the national media and stuff,
like when they're calling games.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
I don't think you hear on ESPN, though.
Espn well, and here's why I saythat I would feel that they
don't, because then listen tothem say App State.
You ever hear them say the fullone?

Speaker 2 (33:30):
yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Appalachian.
Yeah, they like enunciate thatshun and I'm like nobody says
that here like anybody says.
Appalachian, but that's I mean.
Appalachian Mountains are notjust Western North Carolina.
That's a pretty mean.
Appalachian Mountains are notjust western North Carolina.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
That's a pretty big mountain range, but if you look
at how it's spelled, it would belike they're saying it, it's
just not what it's called.
So I feel the same way aboutLouisville.
I'm always going to sayLouisville.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
I mean it's okay for you to say that, but that's part
of just where you're from, likeI mean it's the same thing.
Like a lot, friend, oh yeahthen no, no, I agree with that,
but if, but that's across thecountry, I mean.
Even so, everybody out west,they're going to make fun of
this southeastern accent,because most people have much
more.
You know country hick, whateveryou want to call it down here,

(34:13):
but they say some really weirdthings out midwest in california
and all you know all that.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
If I say something in california and I say it
different, like they can saysomething to me because I don't,
I'm not in california, but likethey can say something to me
because I'm not in California,but like they can't argue with
me about Louisville when I'm inKentucky, from Kentucky.
You know what I'm saying.
So that's my point there.
So people got to get off thisLouisville thing.
It's a Louisville.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Well, here's the thing Make the team relevant and
we'll say it right.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Oh, the team's never going to be relevant again.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
That's what I the last time they were relevant,
they got everything taken fromthem because Patino had all
kinds of craziness happening.
There was a lot going on there.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
I mean, I just say Louisville as the city, the team
, any of the teams have norelevance to me.
I don't care about them.
Little Brother, Duke, Kentucky,they're always going to be that
.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Say that, but haven't they got?
Hadn't UK been beating footballthe past few years from them no
?

Speaker 2 (35:01):
They did want this past year, but before that I'd
say this year.
I remember Before that they wason a run over them.
I'd say this one I remember forsure they did but I wasn't sure
in the past, no, no, you goback and look at the years
before that.
They destroyed them.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Kentucky football nobody cares, like I hate to say
, just all fell apart and theystart going back down again.
Well, it just holds norelevance in the grand scheme of
it, because they will never beon top of the SEC in football,
there's so much.
I don't think so either but Ihate the.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
There's so much I hate this with any team, and
Kentucky football does this, andeven some of their fans.
They're like you know, this isthe best we've seen in our
lifetime and you know iskentucky football.
It ain't never gonna be whatain't never gonna be anything if
you don't try, like you can'tjust always hold it down that's
double negative.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
It's hard right there .
I don't never, ain't never seelouisville and ain't no but the
thing is like when you think ofkentucky football.
Their fans are gonna say itjust like that.
Well they are, but it's thesame thing.
Like tennessee fans, tennessee,since probably 1980, has been
saying next year's our Nextyear's our year, and they're
usually pretty good.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
They just can't not what they say.
They're not finished, they'rein championships.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
They are second tier of the SEC.
Yeah, right behind.
Obviously not this year, butmost years.
Alabama, lsu, auburn, Georgia.
Georgia, those top four or fivethat are typically up there.
Now, time will tell if Texas isgoing to stay up there.
Obviously, one year doesn'tmean the same thing with Big Ten

(36:36):
.
Just because Oregon won it thisyear doesn't mean they're going
to be there every year.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Oklahoma didn't do much this year and they could
turn it on.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, but Oklahoma hasn't been the typical Oklahoma
for the past five to eightyears.
I feel like they've really justgotten away from what they were
, because it used to be likeOklahoma would have a fantastic
running back, they'd have aquarterback that could sling it
and they'd score 50 points agame.
It was just alright, stop us.
And nobody really in the Big 12could.

(37:04):
That's why Texas and Oklahomahad so many good games in that
rivalry, because they could justgo score a bunch of points.
Yeah, and you're talking aboutSEC, that rivalry because they
could just go score a bunch ofpoints.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah, and you're talking about sec.
I'm going to flip you over tosome sec basketball, cause we
saw the clip the other night ofhow many teams are currently
projected to be in thetournament.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
So we kept saying what?
Nine or 10, nine or 10.
And then we saw it yeah, howmany.
It was 13, right, 13 inArkansas, the first one out.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
I'm actually trying to pull it up right now, if I
can find it, because it is crazy.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
There's what 16?

Speaker 2 (37:40):
18 teams, I think 16.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
So all but three are going to make it Possibly.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
So you're talking.
I don't think they do You'retalking Arkansas first four out
Missouri.
I'm trying to think who'shorrible?

Speaker 1 (37:55):
South Carolina won't be in, and South Carolina,
that's the only three.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
LSU.
Are they projected right now?

Speaker 1 (38:01):
I can't remember, I'm pretty sure they were.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
I can't find it right now.
I should have pulled it upearlier.
I thought I'd pull it upearlier, but yeah, that's never
happened.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
That, um yeah, but that's never happened.
That's that's a lot of teamsfrom one conference.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
14 out of 18.
That that is a lot of teams.
You know what?
What is crazy to me, when yougo look at the sec standings,
you'll have a team like kentucky.
Uh, I think they're ranked 14th, maybe 15th now, but in the SEC
standings they're way downtowards the bottom.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
I'm sorry I misspoke.
Mizzou is actually top 25 teamright now.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Oh, you're right.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
It was South Carolina LSU and Arkansas was the three.
For whatever reason, I think Iwas mixing up LSU and Mizzou.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
There's one more too.
I can't think of who it is.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
That's the bottom three right now in the SEC.
Oh okay, oklahoma is one stepahead of them.
I don't know that they'll makeit.
It'll be tight because they're16-7 on the year.
They'll have to get some winscoming down the stretch, yeah.
But yeah I mean as a whole.
You're talking 13 of 16 teamshave potential, even if they get
12.
Even if they only get 10.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
10 from one conference is a lot, but you've
got teams ranked pretty high inthe rankings that are middle of
the pack of SEC.
So there's.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Tennessee, texas, looking at the SEC.
Texas is unranked.
They've dropped out, they'vebeen out for a little bit,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Tennessee is what I'm thinking of so current SEC
standings.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
You've got nine teams in the top 25.
First off, that's a ton.
All right, you've got one, two,three and five.
Okay, the only thing you'remissing is four, which is nuts.
And that's depending on whichpoll you look at, because
obviously Duke's up there insome polls.

(39:50):
It just depends.
But they also flip-flop everyweek because they're beating the
crap out of each other.
Literally every week there's.
You know they call it an upset,but it's these big conference
battles that it's really hard tojust really call them an upset.
But yeah, you've got Tennesseewho currently sitting in 7th,

(40:11):
7th in the SEC.
Kentucky just beat them againlast night.
I was going to say it was pretty, a pretty solid game, but it
was just kind of Kentucky ranaway with it and it never got
back close again.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
They got injuries and their point guard went out.
In the middle of the game theygot one of the other guys out.
Another point guard went out inthe middle of the game.
They got one of the other guysout, another point guard out.
So yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Well, so then we'll go to something that's kind of
big in this area.
We go into ACC basketball.
Mm-hmm, I don't know that.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
I can remember the ACC two.
We have two ranked becauseClemson's back ranked.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Oh okay, clemson, after upset.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Duke, do you think that's the only two that get in
the tournament?

Speaker 1 (40:51):
No, they'll have three.
I believe Three okay.
I think Louisville will make ittoo Okay.
So three.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Who will make it?

Speaker 1 (40:57):
The Louisville Cardinals.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
I don't know who that is.
I've never heard of them.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Sorry, just get the gunk out of your ears, you'll
hear it.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Hang on, Louisville Still never heard of that place
before.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Okay, I know, that was probably really loud because
I cranked those that was reallyloud.
Everybody in their car andthey're going.
Oh my gosh, maybe four, becauseSMU is up there.
They're like 19 and five, sothey could still get some.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Does Duke break up the SEC party and get one of the
ones?
Yes, I don't think you can denyit.
They're not going to playanybody else to knock them out
of it, so well, I'll take thatback.
I guess, if they drop somegames to these teams who are no
good, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
So here's the thing Clemson is another one of those
teams that they're 20-5.
I mean, they've already won 20games this year.
That's solid.
They're not a bad team, they'rejust not what we would say tier
team.
So yes, Clemson basketball isdoing way better.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
They beat Kentucky and Duke this year, both really
good wins, both of them at home,though.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Agreed, which they're very, very good at home.
Currently on the season 13-2 athome, Like two losses at home.
That's pretty impressive.
So obviously the big gamelocally the other night Carolina
went down.
There Got beat by 20.
Yep, and obviously a lot of ourfriends from here went down to
that game.
Whether you're a Clemson fan ora Tar Heel fan, it's the

(42:17):
closest game that you're goingto get that you can actually go
to.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
If I was a Tar Heel fan, I wouldn't have wanted to
go.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
I knew what was going to happen, I wouldn't have went
this year.
I've been to a lot of Tar Heelgames down at Little John at
Clemson many, many times over mylife.
It's a great little arena.
I always get to watch the TarHeels play it makes you happy as
a fan, yeah exactly.
I'm not happy with this teamand I keep, keep, keep, seeing

(42:45):
it all over Facebook, all overwherever.
Well, these kids, just they'renot taking any pride in that
uniform.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Stop with that stuff Get off it.
Every team has the same stuffgoing on.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
I actually saw someone the other day Poor
Hubert, poor Hubert, hubert'sthe problem.
Yeah, like start the coachingsearch now.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
What do they think the players are doing?
Because of NIL and stuff, I'massuming so they just hired
basically a general manager yeahto come in to come in and just
do nil stuff.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
That is a waste in this current climate, whether
you like it or not.
If you've listened to this showfor any amount of time, you've
heard us talk about nil.
Um, obviously, our thoughts onit, how it needs to go to
contracts, how many there's.
There's a lot of things thatneed to change it, but in the
current climate it is the way itis.
We cannot change it currently.
Get over your own ego.

(43:37):
Get over this.
You got to come play for thepride of the school.
They don't do that anymore.
They don't care.
They need money and becausemoney rules all, as a head coach
, you have to be able to do thatside of the business as well.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
But as a head coach you have to be able to do that
side of the business as well.
But people think because thesekids are getting paid, all of a
sudden they don't want to playgood or they don't care about
the team anymore.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
They still want to play ball.
No, a lot of these guys arejust seeing it as the business
that it is Like I want to be atCarolina, but if you're going to
give me $10,000 and that guy'sgoing to give me $100,000, I I
may not make it to the NBA.
Why not go take the?

Speaker 2 (44:10):
100?
Yeah, but I'm still going to goplay and try For some of these
guys, the number is way bigger,it is.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
So I mean, still it's a business.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
But don't complain about it and say poor Hubert
went right down the road.
Duke went through the samething recently.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
They're doing fine yeah they had a coaching change
Again, a first-time head coachin John Shire.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
They have NIO stuff to deal with.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
I was very critical of him at the beginning of the
year because he was not runningplays.
It was give it to Cooper andstand back, and that was when
they lost to Kentucky early inthe season.
And the whole last four minutesof the game was ISO Cooper spin
move turnover.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
That's what happened.
Well, kentucky knew it wascoming, because that's all they
did.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Everyone knew it was coming, yeah, like there was no
doubt, and since then they'vehandled it a lot better.
I mean also, I think CooperFlagg has gotten a lot better,
which is, you know, I don't seehow he's not player of the year.
The kid is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Him and Auburn, I think, are in the red for it.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
I think the kid from Auburn has to be as well.
But Shire has really turnedaround that team.
He's done a good job recruiting.
They have depth.
This is not a Coach K team.
This is a John Shire team.
This is a Huber team.
There's no true center on theroster.
Carolina is typically the bestoffensive rebounding team in the

(45:29):
country.
We are way down from that thisyear.
We can't rebound defensively.
We can't cover anybody in thepost.
Our defense has gone back tothat first year of Hubert.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
And you can't blame that on the players.
You just can't Now, can theplayers?

Speaker 1 (45:42):
be better.
But the lineups he's putting instatistically don't make sense.
When you have statistics of 10to 15 games and you see, hey,
this lineup that I'm starting isminus 20 in every category,
maybe we should look at changingit up, just maybe.
Well, that's you know, what doI know?
But just maybe, sure.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Take a great coach and give him bad players and he
can look bad.
For sure he can't.
But the thing is, but yourecruited those guys, those guys
that he has are not that bad.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Now post.
Yeah, we're rough.
They need true post but theguards that they have are very
athletic guys but the offensivesets we're running.
All of our wins this year havebeen ugly, not good wins.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
You know, we know we coach in a rec league we've
talked about and in that recleague they get people together
and they try to make the teams,even the league officials,
whoever's over the league.
They put teams together andhand the coaches, the rosters,
Correct.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
We get no say over who we got.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
We have no control.
Hubert Davis had control overwho come to his team, 100%.
So even if the players aretrash which I don't believe that
but you brought them, you canchange that.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
But then if you really want to sit here as a Tar
Heel fan that I keep seeing allmy friends on Facebook that say
this well, the kids just don'tlook like they want to be there
and play as a head coach, fix it.
Yeah, maybe they don't want toplay there may be somebody that
you say all right, fine, you'reout of here.
Either everybody else is goingto shape up or they're going to

(47:15):
leave and you kind of just haveto be like all right, I've got
to have a backbone and I've gotto step up.
I personally did not like theHubert Davis hire to begin with.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Yeah, you've said that the whole time.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Especially in the climate that we're in now of NIL
ruling the world.
You need somebody that's kindof a businessman up front as
well, and hubert's not that guywe we have got to get away from.
We're only going to hire acarolina guy.
I don't give a crap where youcome from.
If you're a good coach and youcan, you can put us back in
spotlight where where carolinabasketball should be.
You know they're like well, wegot to get more time.

(47:47):
We're missing the tournamentfor the second time in a couple
of years.
Let's say, how long are yougonna give me?
In north carolina they werelike, oh, but you had a number
one seed.
What was it last year, a coupleyears ago, whatever, it was
okay and you only made it tosweet 16, so you still weren't
very good, what does that matter?

Speaker 2 (48:01):
I felt like we were an overrated team at the time
getting the number one scenemeans you had a fairly easier
path and you still didn't makeit so I'm very, very frustrated
with that team as a whole,because I understand that there
are going to be ups and downs.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
There are some teams.
The downs should never be thisdown the downs should be.
You got a nine seed, still madeit.
You got a nine seed.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
There's probably what the 10 top programs in the
country that can get about anycoach they want yeah get about
any players they want.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
I know money's starting to play a factor in
that well, but carolina, I feellike, is probably one of the top
three.
Yeah, they're definitely topfive.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Yeah, however, you want to order them so, but
they're one of the top three.
Go get a coach and get it done.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
That it's, you know, proven and you would think that
makes sense, but to everybodythere it's like well, hubert's a
good guy, and he may be, hubertwas a fantastic assistant.
I'll give him that he wasfantastic assistant.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
He looks lost when it comes down to it always got
coaches like that always tarheel guys.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Was williams that way ?
Yes, okay, they, they arealways going to go for a tar
heel guy.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
That's just the way they are occasionally you're
going to get one that works, andsometimes you're not.
That's what you're going todeal with if you do that, if you
go look at it now.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
There isn't another one to go get.
Not that is going to come inand can really be the spotlight
of a big-name team.
There's just not one.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Not at the moment, but that's you know, I think
we're a long ways from havingone we said Duke did that and
it's turned out okay.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Kentucky recently done it, but not on purpose.
They took a younger guy which Ithink was part of it.
So we're seeing the climate gothat way in a lot of head
coaching, especially NFL.
Like Kellen Moore is 35, thehead of an NFL program.
That's unbelievable.
It is Like when we were kids meand Brad talked about it the
other day when we were kids ifyou were under 55 or 60, you

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weren't even interviewed, Likethe young guys.
Oh, you got to pull your weight, you got to do your time.
Well, now that's what everybodywants.
Everybody wants the young guy.
They want the energy.
So for me, like, why do I?
You can't tell me there's not a35, 40, 45-year-old guy out
there that could do it.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, no, if there is an older guy who's like the
perfect fit, fine.
But I don't want to get stuckin that.
You know I have to havesomebody that's got experience.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Just because you've been around, you're good.
No, that's not how that works.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
So Kentucky, you know , hired one of their own in Mark
Pope and we'll see how thatworks out.
But it wasn't because he wasone of them, it was.
They even tried to get someother guys.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
First, he was successful everywhere he's been.
Yeah, he was doing fantastic atBYU he was.
So it's not like they'rebringing a coach that's like,
well, just because he was at UKwe're going to bring him.
No, he was doing really reallywell somewhere else.
He wasn't the first option andit kind of just fell in his lap.
At that point it did and he'smaking the most out of it.

(50:52):
First year coach and they'retop 25, still Still beating some
top teams.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Complete new team.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Could very easily make a big run.
I mean, you never know.
I hope so.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
I hope so for sure.
But you know we watched theDuke game.
Duke-clemson the other nightWas at the range.
We had on the TV there.
Poor Duke Clemson.
The other night he was out atthe range.
We had on the TV there PoorWill.
Poor Will had to come watchDuke get beat Again.
Clemson won at their home.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
You know, jim, there Clemson is so physical in a post
.
That's what makes them good.
They also have very, veryexperienced older guards, guys
who just know how to play thegame.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
They make up for a lot of stuff just because the
experience.
I guess we said I was there forthe kentucky game when they be
kentucky and so I know in person, I've seen this in person when
they storm the court and theydone it again yeah, duke there's
a whole lot more talk going onabout storming the court again,
so I I want to get rid of it,but I don't know, that there's a
way to get rid of it, but Idon't know that there's a way to
get rid of it.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
So, looking at it from a security standpoint, you
cannot hire enough security tobe in there to stop that many
people If a mob decides to comethrough somewhere.
If you outnumber the security,you win.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
So I didn't know this because following SEC, the SEC
has big fines, correct, and thenon certain offenses, if you're
in SEC play, you actually haveto pay the school you was
playing against, correct?
Yes, my understanding.
Acc doesn't have that same finesystem.
Listen, the?

Speaker 1 (52:28):
ACC is loose with a lot of stuff they do.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
The way their money slides around is a little
questionable sometimes now Idon't think finding the school's
going to do much because againschool can get all the security
they want the kids don't care umno, so you're telling me these
kids, that are a bunch of fratkids, bunch of you know, diehard
fans.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
You storm the court, the school has to pay this
amount of dollars.
That means nothing.
And and then people talk abouttheir pocket.
When they get storm the court,the school has to pay this
amount of dollars.
That means nothing.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
And and then people talk about their pocket when
they get on the court, keep themthere and start arresting
people, start giving them finesand good luck with that.
That's not gonna work either.
Um, but something I saw thatreally made me think.
When you watch these clips ofgames on espn or whatever, they
always show the court stormingthey do and so do they really
want to get rid of it.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
It's part of their production.
The hard part of that isthey're not going to condone it.
Espn is not going to say well,we love you storming the court,
but I don't feel like they'reever going to truly come out and
say how dare you.
They may say, oh, this is notgood, this is whatever.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
They're never just going to, like, really say
anything bad because, like yousaid, for tv, people kind of
want to see it.
It's great because that meanssomething big happened.
Well, you even have, you know,some of the team's uh officials,
whether it be athleticdirectors, whatever but
sometimes partake in it,especially when they win big
games.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
That one I'm a little more like I.
As a school official you can'tdo that, but I.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
But I feel like it's a lot of this oh, you can't do
this, it's dangerous, but wekind of like it, you know and
that's what I feel like it is.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
So some of the schools they look at it as let
our fans enjoy it, Let themenjoy that big win.
I do get that side of it.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
If you can get the other team out of there, do what
you want.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
But the problem is storming the court, slash field,
whatever it is.
It's not fun if you have towait 10 minutes agree, it's
gotta they want to do itimmediately when the buzzer
sounds, let's go.
Yeah, and for security, for theother team, the coaches,
whatever.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
You can't get them out that quick, it could even be
tough on, I think uh, posingfans that are there, correct,
when everybody's trying to rushand I've seen clips and stuff of
coaches saying you know, fansare just screaming things at
them nonstop.
Oh, yeah, it gets bad yeah, andthen if you get, hit.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
I mean we've seen players get trampled, yeah, I
mean we've seen it get prettyrough, like here's the thing.
I don't necessarily like it,but at the same time I don't see
a way to fix it currently.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I don't either, but it did make me think what kind
of teams storm the court andwhat kind don't, and I feel like
there's only two reasons that ateam doesn't like their fans
don't storm the court.
Either you're really bad andyou never just beat any good
team, so you never get to stormit, or you're really good and
you never storm it because everywin means something.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Yeah, so that's the way I look at it.
Now, here's the thing I don'tnecessarily think for the bad
team, because that bad team, thefirst time they beat somebody
they're coming.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
I don't know if they're so bad they never beat
anybody.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
So here's my thought on it.
Let's see, looking at the ACC,miami is, I think, dead last in
the ACC currently.
If Duke goes to Miami and Miamibeats them, they're storming.
Oh, they're storming for sure,they're storming and they're
horrible.
But it made me think.
But I think a bad team's alwaysgoing to if you beat a good one
but a good program, they don'tneed to.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
They're above that because I know from being a
kentucky fan as far as in reparena, since they've been
playing rep arena, which hasbeen years and years right.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Long, long time they have never, stormed the court
referee but that's a real,that's a relevant program yeah,
so what other.
If carolina would have beatduke at home, they wouldn't
storm the court so that's my,that was my question to you.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
What other programs do you think the fans maybe have
not or should not, in your mind, have never stormed the court?

Speaker 1 (56:16):
I think you go look at the top ten.
You look at Kansas.
They shouldn't Probably haven'tyou don't think they have.
You don't think they had a?

Speaker 2 (56:24):
down year and they beat somebody.
I don't know if they have ornot.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
So, looking back, when's the last time you could
think that a team like that wasdown?
I mean really looking back,when's the last time you could
think that a Carolina team wasdown?

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Yeah, few, and far between that's what I was going
to ask, you being a.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
North Carolina fan, do you think?
Have you ever heard of NorthCarolina storming the court?
Not that I can think of.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
I mean it happens a lot to Kentucky, kansas with
Kentucky yeah but basketball Ijust don't think that's one that
you do it.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
I mean honestly, we're not that many years
removed from a nationalchampionship.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
I tried looking for a list and really couldn't find
any definitive answer.
I don't know the stat that theyreally keep up with.
That's kind of hard.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
No, but that's like Kentucky basketball should never
no, uconn should not.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
They're too relevant but they probably did a few
years ago, didn't they?

Speaker 1 (57:12):
no, but UConn's been relevant for a while.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
I mean you gotta go all the way back, all the way
back to the days like KimballWalker and before like they were
winning championships.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
They were like what?
What was the point?

Speaker 2 (57:21):
I mean, I think that'd be if somebody could find
that stat incentives.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
I would love to see I would love to see it, I mean
honestly.
Brian, you do a ton.
If a chance and want to look atthat, please do, but don't
spend a ton of time on this.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
I want to know if there's some school that's just
been so horrible that they'venever knocked off a good team,
and so they haven't for theopposite reason, If you're never
going to beat somebody yeah, ofcourse you're not going to
storm because you're not goingto win.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
I know I want to know if, because you go to a team,
honestly, vanderbilt had a goodfootball year this year For
Vanderbilt football, they didgreat, they did.
They stormed it twice this year.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Yeah, because of big teams.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Because it's not usual to have such a good year,
correct?
So even though they were havinga good year this year, it still
meant something to them, yeah,so.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
I don't know.
Yeah, that'd be a really hardstat, I think.
But If you've won achampionship in the last 15
years, you don't need, andshouldn't be, storming it.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
That's too recent.
That's on the fans, becausethey're the ones storming it.
So I guess it shows theexpectation of the fans.
Like you said with Vandy, eventhough they're having a good
year, they're like, hey, thismay not happen again.
We need to go right now.
So that's the way they feltabout it.

(58:35):
So I think that comes into morethan what the team is doing
that year is their overallhistory?

Speaker 1 (58:38):
I guess yeah, again, I would like to see if there was
a way to find that stat,obviously because college
basketball has been around forso long and obviously you know
only 35.
I can't remember times 70 yearsago.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
And there's so many arenas too Right, so many games,
so yeah, that'd be really hard.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
That may be a hard stat to find, but if somebody
can, that'd be really reallycool, because I would be
interested in that.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Like you said, I think we have an idea of some
schools that would be.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
I just feel like, if you're talking about some of
your top historical programs now, I feel like if you're talking
about some of your tophistorical programs now, to me,
like a UCLA, I feel like theyprobably would now because
they've not been relevant a longtime.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
If they beat Duke, wouldn't they storm this year?

Speaker 1 (59:21):
I don't feel like they've been relevant in many,
many, many years.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
See, I was kind of thinking that with Louisville
too, because you said they'rekind of one of the top programs.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
I wouldn't consider them a top basketball program.
I mean, they won a championshipnot that long ago, but it's
also taken away.
It's?

Speaker 2 (59:34):
taken back.
Yeah, um, but I think theywould still on the court.
I can only think of maybe fivethat I feel like probably
haven't well, so that I don'tknow about years past, you know
if kentucky is terrible,louisville's number one.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
I don't know that Kentucky fans would.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Oh, I don't think they'd be so mad.
They just leave.
I think.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
I think the other way around.
I think Louisville.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
I do too.
Yeah, so I, I don't and I don'tsee, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
you know, kentucky, duke, north Carolina, kansas
they're playing because ifAlabama and Auburn are number
one versus number two andAlabama's number two and beats
Auburn, they're probablystorming.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
You think they would See.
I think Alabama football is theone that's never stormed, from
what I saw.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
I know, auburn, did you know some of the kick-six
stuff?
No, I know they did so.
Like I feel like, especiallythis Bama program it's not the
Saban program anymore, like it'svery, very different.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
I still don't think they would.
I think their fans expect to bethe greatest?

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Do you feel?

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
different.
I think the expectations changetoo, like when you've got a guy
that's just so settled in, likeSaban.
When you don't go a year, likewhen you go a year and you've
lost two games, you're like man,we failed and you really looked
like well, we lost two games.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
We had a good year.
But, like you said that aboutNorth Carolina, if they was to
beat Duke this year, I don'tthink they'd storm, even though
it's been down for a coupleyears.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Carolina couldn't beat Duke, even in my dreams
this year.
They're so bad, I'll say ifthey're so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Do you look different upon field storming than court
storming because it's a biggerarea?

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Yeah, so I do.
Purely on the fact of when youlook at the storm like everybody
down on the field typicallystill the vast majority of the
field you can still see.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Yeah, but it is much bigger.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
But there's a whole lot more people there too.
There is, but not everybodypartakes.
So in an arena, a basketballcourt's not very big they're not
.
It don't take many people tofill it up.
No, so that's my thing is yes,there's a tremendously less
amount of people there For mostfootball stadiums.
Most of them are much, muchbigger.
But even you know you see someof the bigger football teams and

(01:01:50):
it happens when they reallyzoom out you can see both end
zones you can see big sections.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
still you have a lot of room outside the field, the
sidelines, end zone, areas thatyou don't really have even at
basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
You take at Duke if Duke decides to storm the court.
There's only like 3,000 peoplein there, but a basketball court
is tiny Like they would fill it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
That still amazes me.
Why don't they have a biggerarena?
They don't want it.
They can make so much money, Imean here's the thing, here's
the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
It's easy to say that , but what I will say?

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
go there I'm sure it's a different ball game.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Yeah so to me, I like that atmosphere.
I like really, really close tothe court.
Your fans are psychotic, like,even like when you go to the
Dean Dome at Chapel Hill, it'sjust kind of too big Like it
doesn't have that feel.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
There's a lot of those that hold, you know, close
to 20,000.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Yeah, that's a lot for a basketball game.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Yeah, so those are a little big for me, but like yeah
, so those are a little big forme, yeah, but like the Clemson
holding 10,000, those feel aboutright.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
I like somewhere in that five to seven, I think,
mm-hmm, because then it feelslike it's personal, you're
really involved.
What did I say?
The Duke is like maybe 3,000.
Not.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Dean Dome, cameron, cameron.
Yeah, that could go 5,000people.
It wouldn't change that much asfar as the atmosphere.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
You couldn't Get more fans in.
You couldn't change thatstadium around to get that many
people.
Well, no, I know you'd have todo some major.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
That's probably the biggest part of it.
It's a historic arena.
They don't want to make somechanges.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
They hold 9,000 in there.
It doesn't feel like is theircapacity.
They must have changed thatthen.
Um, so yeah, I, I, I guess, Ilike about 10 000, I like that
number because it's tiny,cameron's tiny though.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Wow, yeah, that's what I say, like when you really
look at the pictures of thisplace like it's it is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
I mean, you see it on tv when you're throwing the
ball in on the sideline, they'reon you.
Yeah, like they're.
They are there well that's whatI like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
That, though that's what little John holds at
Clemson.
That was pretty good.
I think Georgia's is prettyclose to that too, when we went
down there, that was pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Well, so they have it right here.
Dean Smith Center, almost22,000.
Yeah, that's too much for me,it's just too big.
And Fieldhouse, which that'sKansas, they're at 16.
So they're kind of that middleground.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
As a fan and I think that's Kentucky as well would
you, especially for a big game?
Would you rather be one ofthose way up top than not be
there at all?
Just to say hey, I was in thebuilding, because if they're
only at 10,000, you may neverget in the building, for, like
the upset.
Well, just for anything I'msaying, you know we like a
10,000 arena, but if NorthCarolina only had 10,000, it

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might be very hard to get aticket a lot of times.
So because they got 20, you canget seats even though they're
in the nosebleeds.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Well, so the problem is, like somebody, like like
Carolina, especially if they'rehaving a good year, it don't
matter where you sit, they'reexpensive.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
They're not cheap tickets.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
So to me, because anytime, if anybody listening
has ever been to a game, youknow, walking into the game,
somebody's trying to sell youtickets.
We used to go show up downthere and not have tickets.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Me, dad and Brad would do it.
I never saw that at either oneof the games we went to this
year, but I think that might bea lot of people going digital
anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
So the digital does slow it down, but there's still
a lot of people scalping tickets.
It's still a very, very commonthing.
Um, I mean, again, I've been toclemson and bought tickets that
way.
I've been to carolina andbought tickets that way, like it
just kind of happens.
Yeah, um, I remember one yearfor my birthday it was just me
and dad, we went, we drove allthe way to chapel hill and like
we didn't have tickets, we'rejust going to buy some.

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And it was for for Carolinaversus Virginia, and this was
pre-Virginia, being anything atall.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Did you end up with decent seats?
Oh, we had fantastic seats, oh,okay.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Yeah, so we were actually on one of the corners,
maybe 20 rows up.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Oh, that's not bad.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
We were really good seats for that place, best I'd
ever sat there.
Yeah, you Went down early, gotto walk around the campus.
That's a massive campus too,because that was my first time
actually being on campus towhere I was actually walking
through it and looking at it,because usually you kind of just
show up, go to the arena that'sit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Let's say North Carolina's good, duke's good.
They're playing each other.
You can get a ticket, but it'sgoing to be way up top.
Would you go, or would yourather sit at home watching on
TV?

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Carolina-D on tv uh, carolina duke, I'd rather go,
okay, but that's.
But that's why I think theyhave a 20,000 arena, because,
well, but here's the thing, viceversa, at duke there's only
9,000 tickets.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Yeah, that's why I think, but I'd rather go watch
the game at duke yeah, but youmay not be able to get in
because there's only 9,000 well,but that's listen.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
You can always get in .

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Somebody's always selling no, it just depends what
you want about those games.
It just depends what you'regonna pay.
Here's the thing, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Anything for sale those fans are crazy.
They will camp like if it's abig duke carolina game.
You know you're talking top 10matchup.
They are going to camp out fora week because the students it's
a first come, first serve.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Kentucky fan.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
I can't say nothing about crazy camping out stuff
like exactly, exactly big bluenation is crazy, the crazy, the
big time teams, they all do it.
So it's hard to say, you know.
Now, again, if you're talking arivalry game, yes, I, 1 million
percent, would rather be there,regardless of where I'm sitting
.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Yeah, just because the atmosphere is different and
that's what I think those arefor, because when North Carolina
, kentucky, tennessee, all thoseschools with the big arenas, I
think Kansas is a pretty decentsized arena.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
No, it's only 16.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Really.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Okay, so it's not quite there.
Yeah, but that's AllenFieldhouse.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
It's the same way it's supposed to be when those
teams are rolling, they willsell out 20,000 seats to a
nobody team.
Let alone when you startbringing in, Typically yeah, and
then you bring in the top rowis expensive, yeah, so they're

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bringing so much money, so I getwhy they do it.
Um, it's the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Everybody says nba players shouldn't be paid so
much.
Well, if we're gonna pay theprice, then it is what it is
makes, what the league makesyeah, they only.
So nba gets what six percentrevenue share?
Yep, the players do, and thatstill equals, you know, hundreds
of millions, if not billions.
It's a crazy, crazy number.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
People say that and then they go pay thousands of
dollars for a seat.
Well, that's why.
But here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
So, living in Shelby, we used to drive over and go to
at the time it was theCharlotte Bobcats.
They weren't even the Hornetsanymore.
We got tickets for like $10.
You can go to arenas and gettickets if you really want it.
It's not that crazy a price.
Now if you're saying, well, Ihave to sit to this level and
this spot, well, you're kind ofdumb because you're going to pay

(01:08:18):
outweighs for it.
I've never been to an NBA game,but from what I've seen, there's
a lot of scenes as close as welive.
I've never been to a Hawks gameand I would like to, I'd like
to.
I'd like to go to Atlanta andgo to a Hawks game.
I've never been to their arena.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
I'd like to go to a football game over there.
I think that'd be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Yeah, I would love to go to a Falcons game.
I've never been to one of thoseeither.
I've been to Panthers, I'vebeen to Hornets.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
But we're talking about and I know, there's not
the same exactly so I don't feellike you ever get that a duke
of north carolina.
Ticket price is crazy well.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
So it just doesn't matter.
Professional, everyprofessional sport, the tickets
more expensive.
They're just higher priced.
It's just the way it is,especially nfl.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
But nfl tickets are not cheap because we keep paying
it or somebody does.
I have never been, so I'm notpaying it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
But well, so like for me, I will say I don't even
know what the stadium's callednow over in Charlotte.
Last time I went it was Bank ofAmerica, so I'm not sure if it
still is, I think it's stillthat.
Okay.
So last time I went there,that's what it was.
It's not just a massive likeit's big, don't get me wrong.
It's big because all NFL it'snot just immensely massive.

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I feel like you can see frompretty much everywhere there.
It it was fun to me, like I, Ienjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
It's just I'm not a panthers fan, we should do more.
But yeah, but just going to thegame would be fun like I.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
I just I don't like the panthers.
They've been so bad for so longit's like I don't really want
to go see that but, by the way,for those that can hear, it is
pouring the rain is absolutelypouring.
Yeah, I'm starting to.
It's done that for three daysnow here, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
It's been ridiculous.
Yeah, we don't need more.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
We had 74 degrees last week.
Oh, it was amazing.
The high the last three dayswas 40, with rain.
It's been miserable.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Yeah with that.
We do have a covered area at 4UGolf, so we're because we need
the money.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
I don't want to beg, that's the way to put it.
No, it's just, it's literally.
It's like it's so hard Becauselast week we were booming out
there it was so busy and thenthis week it's like two people
will come by.
I haven't seen someone in ayear.
It feels like it's so weird?

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
No, but it's one of those we do get way more people
out there, even when it's coldand rainy than I would expect.
Don't get me wrong, it's notit's definitely not gonna be you
.
Sorry, you ain't gonna be me,you're not going at all like we
had a group text guys to do, butI'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
We had a group text going on with a couple of our
buddies today and it was.
It was funny because he evensaid the same thing with this
weather, you guys need to be ina bubble or have some really
massive heaters or somethinggoing on, because we, you know,
nobody wants to be out thereright now, which is so weird
because last week we were outthere it's like 11 30 one night
and it was fantastic, it waswarm it was still like 60

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degrees and it was.
It was just, it was awesome well, the the night.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
We know it's february , like we knew it was gonna
switch whatever was that clemsonduke we were out there yeah,
clemson duke watching yeah itwas the night open.
I was in a t-shirt and shorts,yeah, it felt great.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
I finally ended up kind of needing my quarter zip
just because the wind started tocome through.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
That was the only reason I need that weather back
yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
I do.
I just function better withthat weather I do too.
I think most people do, unlessyou just live in that constantly
that cold.
Very few people really justlike that.
I wouldn't like that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Hey, by the way, again listening.
Last week we talked aboutsports movies.
Oh yeah, I knew I was going tomiss them.
Well, of course but when youhave to say it on the spot.
So now I had to go back andlook and I was like man, there's
some movies that we missed.
What's some that you felt likeyou missed, that you're really
happy came to my mind last weekand I'm iffy on it, it's a
little bit over the top which,again, I've got a lot of

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football movies.
Uh, varsity blues it was okay,varsity blue.
Uh, friday night lights Ireally enjoyed friday night
lights.
Good movie um rudy.
How did we miss rudy?

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
But I've never been crazy about Rudy.
Rudy is not one that does itfor me, but it's a good movie,
it's all right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
When you get football movies, it's all right.
And then can't forget MightyDucks.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Well, so here's the thing.
We were talking to Brian aboutit and he sent us his list,
Because we kind of mentioned itlast week Like, hey, Brian, send
us what yours is.
Have you watched the MightyDucks?

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
It's been a while, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
The first one sucks.
The second one is the movie, sothey figured it out when they
got to the second one, d2.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
D2.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
It's the Junior Olympics.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
I don't know why, but that one to me is just funnier.
Everything about it was justbetter.
Now I get, so it's hard.
My brother introduced me to theMighty D ducks when I was very
young, and you know for theyounger crowd we had on a vhs.
If you don't know what that is,go look it up.
You know, be kind, rewind.
Um, so we had it on vhs but wehad d2.

(01:13:00):
Don't get me a blockbusteragain.
We had the mighty ducks, youknow the second one.
So I watched it like crazy.
You know, just there's so manyjust quotable and just funny
moments from that movie.
I like I want to go back andwatch it now, like after we
talked about I want to go backand watch that.
But then there was, you know, Ifinally was like, oh, I need to
go watch the first one.
And I went back and watched itand I'm like it's good and like

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I understand where some of thiscame from and it kind of sets it
up with the second one justwasn't the same, without the
first one being there first,like if it just came out, just
like yeah, don't it kind of?
set it up?
I mean, you know what it is,very, very vaguely, does it set
it up?

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
very, very vaguely.
Yeah, but you know who themighty ducks are because you
watched the first one.
I didn't, I did, oh, I watchedthe second one first.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Oh, I'll get you okay .
So I had always just kind offigured out the backstory from
the second one, like it wasn'tthat it will so.
And then obviously there's athird one and he's, you know,
going to play for a high schoolteam and it's very different
things happen, and you know itwas pretty good too.
Honestly, all three I reallydid like, um especially, I was
never into hockey.
Hockey was not something Ireally understood, but those

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movies were just really good um.
So yes, mighty ducks werefantastic well, that also
brought me back.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
We talked about the UTEP basketball team, so it's
called Glory Road.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
I had to go look that up Glory Road there's a couple.
Well, because it wasn't UTEP,it was Texas El Paso at the time
.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Yeah, that's right.
There's a racing movie, so Idon't know if that's a sports
movie or not.
That I watched not too long ago.
That's a whole other, but Fordversus Ferrari.
I really, really love thatmovie.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
So that's about 24-Hour.
Le Mans.
Right, it is yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
So I don't know if you guys have seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
I've honestly never seen it.
I've seen millions and millionsof clips of it.
Oh, you've got to watch it, butI've never actually watched it,
and I want to watch it becauseit's very interesting because
it's the creation of the.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Ford GT.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
We want to go beat Ferrari.
We made a car to go do it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Yeah, so yeah, I think I would like that one Then
the only other movie that thattakes me way back.
And again, sports movie, yes orno?
Um, seen it on TV.
So if you watch it non TV, I'msure it's got some language that
I don't even want to be part of.
But uh, white men can't jump.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Oh, great movie.
I haven't watched the remake.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
I didn't know.
There was a remake.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Yeah, there's a remake.
I'm sure I heard it, but I Ihaven't seen the remake.
But yeah, the original's great.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Woody Harrelson, wesley Snipes that was a great
movie, so is that a sports?

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
movie it's basketball .

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
It's a tournament like 2v2 set up but it's still
based around basketball.
It's not around basketball, solike a basketball team.
So I never resonated with likefield of dreams, never liked
that movie.
You know the whole build it andthey will come.
You know, that could say it somuch I didn't like that movie at
all.
But so then, like so again,I'll give you another reason to

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dislike will.
He doesn't like the movie thesandlot I've already told you
I've never seen it.
You gotta watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Sandlot is a fantastic baseball movie.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
I love it.
Will's more of the baseballpurist, so he doesn't really
care for that Because it'sbackyard baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Isn't that where everybody starts baseball though
?

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
You have to start somewhere.
Not all of us can start toptier.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Will's a little younger than us.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
Not much but yeah, a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
It's a little different, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
I loved Rookie of the Year.
I loved Angels in Will's.
A little younger than us, Notmuch, but yeah, a little bit
it's a little different, I guess.
I loved Rookie of the Year.
I loved Angels in the Outfield,All those 80s to mid-90s movies
.
Those were so much fun to me.
Major League I loved thosemovies Again.
I always watch those on TV.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
So I haven't seen everything that would be in it
outside of it.
I want to actually go pull upBrian's list so we can see.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Yeah, he had a few on there.
That was different.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
Oh, he agreed with me the top one Facing the Giants.
If you've not seen it, you'vegot to go watch it.
Like I said, not the greatestproduction movie.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
So that's what I struggle with.
The movie's good, don't get mewrong.
Behind the movie it's fantastic.
But when I watch a movie I wantthe production to be good, and
it just isn't.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
It's not, it's a small company it is.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
They're not trying to be.
That was one of their firstmovies too.
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Yeah, but they're not trying to be this big, massive.
You know, 20th Century Fox,that's not what they are, but
then hating on, so, brian you'rewrong, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Uh, mighty ducks.
I also want clarification.
Is it the first or the secondor the third?
Well, he just said I know a lotof people just prefer it.
Mighty ducks.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
They don't really uh, say I'm into the sandlot, which
I guess I'm gonna watch this.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
I know I've seen a really good movie but as far as
remembering the whole thing,it's.
I like it.
It's a.
It's a very corny, like like90s movie, but it's good.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
And his number five Angels in the Outfield.
Actually, he said no particularorder, so maybe these aren't
one too.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Yeah, he did say that .

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
But I think those are all ones we kind of hit on too.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Yeah, but I love the movie Coach Carter.
I think it's fantastic.
There's so many, so many good.
I mean I love we Are Marshall.
I think that's a great, greatfootball movie.
It is that's a sad movie,though.
It's very sad, but it's.
It's a true story.
I mean it's we'll say thisbased on a true story.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
I think I want to go back and watch Trotting
Highlights, now that we talkedabout it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
I haven't watched that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
It was a good movie.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
Anybody else that has some that we've missed, because
I know we're missing plenty.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
There are so many sports movies, we can do a
sports movie bracket.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
I would actually be interested in that one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
We might get hated on a little bit, like we did with
the Christmas movies.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
I can't help that our fans are wrong.
I know, right, I love all ofour fans.
I think that would be one,especially.
You know we're getting into.
Baseball is right at a monthaway from opening day, right
there at the end of March, 27th,28th I believe.
Well, take that back.
There's an earlier game thatthey're playing in Tokyo, kind

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of second to third week of March, but then the actual opening
day is right there at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
When is the Reds-Braves game in Bristol?
That gets close to us.
Stop playing games where theydon't say that that drives me
insane.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
The viewing is horrible, but they're not close,
but that's such a small likeracetrack that it might work.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
I don't know?

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
here's the thing you still have a racetrack in
between you and the field you do, but it's a very narrow track,
very small track is, but it'snot the same, like if you've
been to a baseball game.
It the cool thing about it isfeeling like you were there
close, like especially if you'vegot, you know you're sitting at
the fence.

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I don't feel like I'm at thefence.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Well, they're gonna put some seats I think close
there to like the like insidethe the track from what I
understood.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Yes, overly expensive that, oh, very few people.
Yeah, we won't be able to youknow what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Like it's just you're .
You're not giving just theeveryday fan a chance to have
that it still might be like aonce in a lifetime thing to say,
hey, I was there no, I.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
So I just don't like it.
I really don't like it.
I I just think it's so muchlike oh, we want to do this
because it's cool.
You're not really doing it forthe fan.
That's not truly for the fan.
The fan doesn't really wantthat.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Yeah, I got to show you a picture.
Take a look at the picture andthen tell me what you think of
it, of how they're going to doit.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
See if you still say, no, that's not me, no, that's
awful.
So here's the thing.
I went to Truist for the firsttime this year the Braves Park
yeah, I haven't been to it sinceit was at the new stadium.
I went to Turner several timesgrowing up.
Truist is not a huge place LikeTurner was actually pretty big
because it was made for theOlympics.
The only reason they were thereis because the Olympics was in

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Atlanta in 96.
And they ended up staying there.
Well, then they built Truist.
It actually holds less people,but there's not a bad seat there
.
You can literally see really,really clear from everywhere.
We actually sat right next tothe press box, straight behind
home plate, just to the left ofit, and tickets were awesome.
That's a big thing to me.
I want to be able to see fromeverywhere I'm at.

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But here's the thing there is nofan anywhere close to the, to
the wall in the outfield oh no,they're not like that that is
terrible, it's going to beacross the the racetrack even
even then, because of the way aracetrack has, they have
buildings for, for differentmaintenance, for different
things.
You can't tell me it's not inthe way.
Oh, it's definitely in the way.

(01:21:13):
So that's why I'm like thisdoesn't make sense to me.
Yep, honestly Okay.
So if you, obviously we'llprobably try to get Brian to
post this picture We'll send itto him, get him to post it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
I want to be at the bottom of the racetrack either,
like you said, because of thingsbeing in in the way I need.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
So, yeah, there's a higher like right here behind,
but who can afford those?

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
yeah, like that's all gonna be, you know, team people
and you know, I feel the sameway about nascar and really a
lot of events.
I would prefer to watch stuffon tv, um, then be there in
person, just because it's easierto keep up with and all the
story.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
So, like this, this game I would much rather watch
on tv.
Typically a ball game, I likebeing at a lot of them.
This one I would.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
I would hate that it to me, it would be that just to
say I, you know, if they only doit one time I'm glad I was
there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
I'm glad I missed.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
It, didn't miss out see, oh, you gotta hate.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
We just found your hate you say it's always me
hating I just don't like it'sfunny because a baseball field
has made the dimensions, it'smade for a reason and then you
build the stands around it.
I know this is so wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
I get talked about this all the time, so I'm
sitting here across from tylerand the disgust on his face Is
like why would you?

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
do this and I talked about it during bowl season
Because Carolina football, theyplayed their game at Fenway At
one point.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
The foul pool.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Was blocking.
It's no different than playingthis baseball game at a
racetrack.
It's stupid.
It makes no sense to me, so ifyou're playing, baseball play on
a baseball field.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
If you want to go in the NASCAR, have NASCAR races.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Race on NASCAR.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
I mean, that's not a crazy idea?

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
Yeah, it's such a crazy idea.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Play your sport where it belongs, don't play football
in the baseball stadium orbaseball in the NASCAR track.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Unless you're in Oakland.
Oakland, because there for awhile they shared that like
crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
The baseball and football was on the same exact
place.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
You know hockey rinks and monster trucks and
everything in the world in thearenas you go all the way back.
I remember many, many, manyyears ago when it first kind of
started.
Carolina and Michigan Stateplayed on an aircraft carrier.
Yeah, I remember that.
That to me should be anexhibition, not a regular season
game.
I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Yeah, the moisture that was on the floor and stuff
that they kept slipping,literally the wind affecting
jump shots.
That's true, I didn't thinkabout the wind.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
You don't have that indoors, playing outside I mean,
we've played a lot of outdoor-just played a lot of like
outdoor just fun, rec rec styleball.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Some windy days it's all layups, nobody's shooting
much.
All of the um, the big indoorstadiums, basketball and a lot
of football there can easilychange out for other sporting
events, sure, like I said,whether it's a truck, hockey,
concerts, whatever, why don't weget baseball like that?
Like like, do you not thinkthey could change out something
in in a large nfl stadium to puta baseball stadium in and make
it look like it belongs, likefor a baseball and nfl to share

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the stadium, kind of thing?

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
so I say no.
And the only reason I say thatis because, especially when you
start talking about baseballversus football and kind of how
they shared that so way backwhen, when the raiders and the
a's were doing it, the infieldstayed on always, so there was
dirt on the field always.
Yeah, we don't like that.
And then you would have the.

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The lines were still on thefield when the baseball came
around because they're like ohlook how far it actually is from
first to uh, from third tofirst.
Yeah, it's like a 40-yard throw.
Well, you know, it was kind ofinteresting because it was a
one-off.
But the maintenance on thestuff is just so different.
Like talking with Will.
You know he's the head coach atthe local high school here and

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he's like just the way that youedge it is going to be different
, like there's going to be a lipand they are doing maintenance
year-round.
There's no like off-season solike you, just I don't feel like
that would make sense, yeahlike in indoors, yeah, I mean,
there's places that have abasketball game and then the
next night there's a hockey uhgame in the same place, followed
by a concert the same daymonster trucks.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
I mean it's a whole lot different.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Moving in, because the floor is interchangeable,
you're just popping the flooroff, yeah, when you're starting
talking grass or turf or dirt orsomething like that it just
changes it a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
I can't remember where it is.
I believe there's an NFLstadium somewhere, but they
actually pull the grass out andit's real grass.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
And it sits outside.

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
Is it Arizona?
Okay, yeah, so they canactually drop it and it can go
outside and so they can havereal grass and then bring it in
and so on.
So now that to me is probablygonna be the future of the nfl,
because we're really starting tosee everybody going away from
the turf stuff because theinjuries, the there's a lot
that's going on with it,especially kind of in the soccer
world.
Um, I'm not big into soccer,don't really follow much, but as

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soon as you have somebody likeleonel messi making a comment
which, whether you know socceror not, you've probably heard
that name, yeah, and he's likehey, we got to get away from
turf, like it's hurtingeverybody, it's killing our
ankles, our knees, oureverything.
So if he says it, they're goingto listen, yeah.
And so you're starting to see alot of people like very quickly
hey, we need natural grassagain.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
So you know, you had the big jump from grass to turf,
like all the local schools haveit inside, unless you do
something like Arizona does andpull it out.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
Well, very few people are building domes anymore.
They're either retractable roofor awning style thing.
They're not doing true domes.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
The retractable roof does it.
I guess it can have real grassin it.
I don't know if it'd get thesame amount of sunlight and
things that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Well, really, the only time they close it is if
it's bad weather.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
Like to me, if it's nice, whether it's cold or not,
leave it open.
Who cares?

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
What do you think about the Cowboys Stadium with
all the glass in that justblinds everybody?

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Jerry's an idiot.
That's Jerry's world.
He built it like that and he'sstupid.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
I bet nobody ever even thought about that.
They wanted this aesthetic,they wanted this modern look
wanted this, of course, notaesthetic.
They wanted this modern lookyeah, and glasses we did all
this glass and it was like, ohyeah, we forgot about the sun.
I'm in my, in my other life Ihave, yeah, I'm in the glass
industry and glass is modern.
It's very modern.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
It's a very modern.
You can do a lot of cool stuff,absolutely absolutely but yeah,
then you're just blindedplayers with sun.
They can't see the ball coming,so I gotta start talking about
stuff I like I'm getting to beyou today, you are.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
I mean, you're hating a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
No, it's just.
I mean, I can remember therewas one game in particular this
year.
The receiver was blind.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Yeah, I remember seeing that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
The sun was coming through and it was like we
couldn't see it would have beenthere.
You should have did the balldifferent at the beginning of
the game, knowing by that pointyou'd be going the opposite.
It's like really.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
So Jerry's like hey, you needto use this to your advantage to
make the other team, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
And to me like we're talking NFL Pro like the highest
level in the world.
Yeah, that shouldn't be a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
If we're either team.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
It's just dumb.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
I'm sure at the outdoor arenas.
That is a thought that coacheshave to keep in mind, like what
time of day we're playing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
You have shadows, you have wind, you have a lot of
that I get that Even in highschool I remember playing teams,
that one team specifically.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
they would leave the away team on their home side
because it got shadowed so muchand you would freeze to death
over there they'd be over in thesun, you know, just feeling
good.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
So there's some strategy in that if it's an
outdoor place like you kind ofknow what to look for more
because it's more natural, likeyou're used to, you know there's
gonna be way.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
You don't expect it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
You know there's gonna be some new indoor state,
but you're like thismulti-billion dollar facility
that's indoor and I'm beingblinded by the glare off of
windows.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Like that's weird to me.
Okay, this is getting weird.
Let's get you off the hatestuff.
I know you got to get.
So let's just go on into thisand let's let you start love it,
hate it this week because wegot to get you off of hate it.
We got to get you saying youlove something we're going to.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
Well, so I love a lot of things, and there's been a
lot of stuff in the past week orso, you know, on a small side
of like loving the weather fromlast week.
You know, just some of thewarmth was so nice.
Probably the biggest thing,though, that I love and I've had

(01:29:27):
no desire to love this for avery long time Uh-oh, I'm not a
very long time.
Oh, I'm not a Lakers fan Okay,but that trade made the NBA
relevant again, Did it really?
Okay, I watched, I stayed up,you watched the NBA.
I stayed up and watched fromtip to about third quarter, when
I finally just was out of it.
You know, I mean, I was out ofthe whole time.

(01:29:48):
I'm not gonna lie, was out ofit.
You know, I mean, I was out ofit the whole time.
I'm not going to lie, I was outof it the whole time, but I was
like trying to watch it,texting Brad a little bit back
and forth and Luca being on theLakers with LeBron.
Even LeBron looked different.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
He was like playing defense, Like we had just talked
about like oh he's not playedon-ball defense, he was rotating
, he was, you know, going forstuff.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
I'm like they are energized.
I mean they, they honestly theysigned another guy, um, a seven
foot center, to have some moredepth there.
But the center that they havehe was a lottery pick.
And me and brad, kind of, weregoing through some drafts the
other night, like just hating onsome of these teams that just
pick some horrible, horriblestuff that just didn't pan out
and we were kind of talkingabout this one and we're like,

(01:30:31):
yeah, but every big man that'splayed with Luka has looked
really good.
Yeah, like he's made guys thatare not any good be relevant.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
I did not see your love it going anywhere near the
NBA, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
So literally like.
So, brad's been a Lakers fan mywhole life.
I can remember it forever.
He's probably the largest Kobefan on this side of the country.
Just the way it is, but it wasreally.
It was actually a fun game towatch and they're playing the
Jazz.
The Jazz were awful.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
The Jazz are possibly the worst team in the
basketball industry.
Was it a 150-point game again?

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
It was about 120,.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
I think Well that's not as bad.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
They scored 40 in the first first and it was just
like clicking uh, luca does alittle turnaround fader for his
first bucket, you know, hits athree.
Right after that he's makingpasses.
They just looked.
It looked lively.
It looked like a very differentgame from what I feel like
we've been watching in the nba.
Yeah, so, yes, my love it.
Even I know it's pouring rightnow.
My love it.
I was very surprised that itwas going to be about the NBA,

(01:31:33):
but to me, the NBA had nothinggoing for it and they just
absolutely made themselves.
They put themselves back on themap which is kind of exciting
because I want to watch theLakers again.
I don't like the Lakers.
Honestly, I'm not a LeBron fan.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
A lot of people was taken back by the trade.
That happened and surprised.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Oh yeah, maybe there was some point.
Maybe it's going to help Listen.
The Lakers have already won thetrade.
Anthony Davis got another.
For how many years in a row wasthis a non-contact injury again
?
And at this point they're like,oh, he's out indefinite, he may
not return this year, so youjust traded you just traded one

(01:32:13):
of the big mega stars of theleague for a guy that, in my
opinion, is a great stats guybut doesn't win you ball games.
He's gonna have numbers but hedoesn't translate to wins.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Yeah, luca took them to the finals and then he got
injured already and he's hurtalready and the, the mavs, gosh
they're.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
They have everybody hurt right now, but the lakers,
you know, by signing alex lynn,another seven footer, they've
got hayes, which is seven footer, you're gonna be, a lakers fan,
for you know it, I'm not gonnabe a lakers fan, but they're a
fun team to watch.
Yeah, like you know, go back tothe days of playing 2k, like
that's the team everybody'sgonna play with.
Now, I mean you've got shooters, I mean reeves, I mean their.
Their whole team is huge.

(01:32:52):
At this point, their shortestguy is gonna be like six six.
Well, let's see if ittranslates and their depth will
be questionable.
but I mean austin reeves, if heplays as well as he's been
playing.
If dalton necht comes in, youknow, because the trade, you
know he was traded to thehornets, it it failed, it didn't
work.
And the Williams guy that wastraded from the Hornets he's

(01:33:14):
wanting to buy out, he may stillsign with the Lakers even
without the trade.
He may still be there, so it'sgoing to be interesting to see,
so Lakers is going to end upreally little.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
It sounds like Lakers could be tough.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
And they were already good, Like they're in the third
seed, so it's not like they'relooking to really crash.
You know, getting to come up toall-star game which I don't
care about at all.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
I'd like to hear more about that trade, cause that's
just an odd trade, kind ofalmost out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
Well, I mean, I read more today about it.
So here's the thing We'll gointo more NBA.
I want to hear your hate itfirst.
Okay, newest segment love it,hate it.
Um, at some point we'll havekind of an intro to that.
I've been working on one, butit just hasn't worked yet, so
I'll get a better intro than mejust talking as much as he was
hating.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
I thought I was gonna have to come up with something
no, no, I definitely had to loveit.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
It was a.
It was an easy one to thinkthis week.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
So for me, I realize that my hate, it's that the, the
things that I truly hate inlife are minor inconveniences
let's say that way okay, I getthat most people don't care and
it is that is.
That's kind of the point alittle bit it's not major things

(01:34:22):
, okay, and I completelyunderstand that, but most of
them are things that are.
Also, I'm not the only one thatmakes fun of them for it, so no,
just fy most of them areinconveniences that I feel could
be easily changed, and that'sthe problem, you know, we don't
need to be so many changes.
So mine today, because I Iusually try to let something

(01:34:43):
come naturally and I try tofigure out.
Something happens in my lifethat I just hate, and this is
gonna sound so, so minor, but Ihate it and you're gonna know
what I'm talking about I'm sureI already do so I no.
No, you have no clue, as I'mtelling you it's gonna be out
random oh gosh so I I'm a a meateater.

(01:35:04):
I love steak and just any kindof meats with that.
I love to get beef jerky andslim js and all that kind of
stuff.
Okay, and you get beef jerky atthe store and you kind of peel
it open and you can get it open.
Today I grabbed I think it wastoday I grabbed a Slim Jim.
Okay, Okay, and if you've everopened a Slim Jim, there's only

(01:35:25):
one way to do it and you've gotto take the top and you kind of
got to.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
There's two ways.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
No, well, each end maybe?
No, there's two ways.
Are you going to use your teeth?
No, anyways, you grab it andyou pull the top and you rip it
open.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
That's one way.
The other way they separate thetop and they actually peel away
from each other, but they don'thalf the time.
That's the point.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
I've always had pull them open.
So you're saying you need tohit the gym?
No, what I'm saying is, I think, the Slim Jim I picked up.
Like somebody in the factorysaid, let's put like five
different layers of plastic onthis one just to make it hard
for somebody to open.

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
So again, I realize this is so minor, but I
absolutely hate the way we openslim jims.
There has to be a better way toopen plastic.

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
I mean, come on, it's plastic.
You're the only person I'veever heard complain about I told
you it's something that makesno difference in anything.

Speaker 2 (01:36:22):
No, it does, because when you want the slim jim and
you can't get the stupid thingopen and you gotta find a knife
or something or you gotta ripyour teeth, I've never had it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
I've never had to grab scissors, I've never had to
do anything other than use myfingers.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
Well, I'm don't tell you.
I just don't understand thatyou don't eat enough of them to
run into those problem ones wellone.

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
They're way too expensive like they're way
overpriced.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
Yes, two, I'm not going to pick a slim gem over
like regular beef jerky so mywife will occasionally get them
at the grocery store and bringhome a box of little small ones.
So I'll grab a couple here andthere, and it happened to me
today.
I'll open it up, get one.
I'm going to grab another oneon the way out.
The door Can't get it open.
I mean I just opened one infront of it, like, come on, how

(01:37:05):
hard could this be?
You're right, it should not bethat hard, it shouldn't?
You're right, it shouldn't be.
So it's a minor convenience.
I realize it.
Please don't everybody attackme.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
I get it all right.
So, slim jim, if you'relistening, uh, I'll send you his
address.
You just send him some, butlike, super glue them, duct tape
them, like make them evenharder no see, I'm gonna go
ahead to their competitorbecause the beef jerky guys the
beef jerky guys.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
They have it where you can easily, but that's not
even the same thing.
But what's?

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
their competitor, though it's both.
I don't think that, like slim,jim truly has a competitor,
because it is so different thanthe other.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
So you're saying they feel like they got it locked up
so much that they can justpackage it however they want and
they don't care if you open itor not yeah, listen, we don't
know what's inside those.

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
Well, we don't, right I?

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
mean don't tell me exactly, exactly the rodent.
You're eating the dog the cat,who knows what it is.
You know, there's been a fewthings throughout uh food
existence, I guess you'd say thetoy stuff, a package, some
things are just so difficult toopen they don't need to be.
When you're hungry and you wantsomething, the last thing you

(01:38:12):
want is you can't get it opengreat song, by the way is that
why you're dancing, or?

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
no, I just.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
It's a little head bob what do you call it but?

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
uh, a little stained.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
I mean it's now stained is good.
I do want to say, if anybodywants to send me some slim jims,
I'm not like offended by it,hey.

Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
Brian, I'm going to text you this week and we're
going to try to figure out howwe can make them even more
difficult to open.
Let's find some epoxy or some.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
No, it won't matter.
Let's make it worse.
You can rip them open.
Let's make it worse.
I don't know that you can makeit worse.

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
Stand by.
I can do that.
That's my goals for next weekto find a way to make it even
harder If they keep it up.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
I'm just going to say no more Slim Jims in the house.
We're going beef jerky.
Bold face lie.
We're going to just straight upbeef jerky.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
So back to the NBA.
So I did actually read, though,though it was very interesting,
the idea of you knoweverybody's kind of in the
impression.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
The Lakers were the first call, they were the third
call hmm, okay, so Dallas wasshopping, don't you what you're
trying to say?
Not?

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
really openly shopping, but they were kind of
looking see if anybody wasinterested in Lucas so I don't
know what order what made themwant to get rid of Lucas?
So me and Brad talked about thisa lot, him being a Lakers fan.
We talked about what we seewhen a big guy like that gets
traded.
They automatically are likewell, lucas, wait, look at all

(01:39:43):
the pictures he's taken himplaying the other night.
He's not out of shape.
Okay, he's not out of shape,but I feel like I could look the
same in that jersey.
He does, and I'm not in shape,so he he's he has no definition.
Like you see a lot of no, buthe's a lot of those european
guys don't though.
Yeah, I mean, look at jokic.
I mean he's, he's won how manymvps and when I doesn't even
look like he plays basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
When I saw the the pale skin and the yellow leggers
jersey, I was like that's'sabout how I would look at it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
That's just his complexion.
That's a little different, butphysically, like we've seen him
bigger, he's not in bad shape.
So for them they're like well,locker room, potential locker
room issues, we don't see himreally, you know, taking us
forward.
I think they forgot.
He literally just took them tothe finals.
He took them to the finals.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
That was not a good team.
You're kind of jumping on thebandwagon.
You're gonna be one of thoseband I like Luca.

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
I like Luca okay, I did even at the Mavericks I I
think he is.
Just some of the stuff he cando is incredible.
Um, more of a guard version ofDirk, and Dirk was one of my
all-time favorite players.
I love Dirk and Bitsky.
So some of the stuff Luca doesI I really do like.
I do think he's one.
He gets too many technicals.
He gets a little too big forhis britches sometimes.
And just another littlesouthern saying there too.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
You don't talk about the way I say Louisville and
you're saying too big for hisbritches.

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
That's a pretty common saying though he does get
a few too many technicals stufflike that, but animated.
The European guy is a littlebit different when it comes to
that.
So I don't know in what orderthe Mavericks made these phone
calls, but the rumor goingaround now is they called
Milwaukee and tried to getGiannis.

(01:41:20):
They said no, Even thoughGiannis has kind of already said
I'm not re-signing becausethey're not trying to win, so
that doesn't make a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
On Dallas' part no, but Dallas is because they're
not trying to win, so thatdoesn't make a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (01:41:32):
So, no, but dallas is the one trying, sorry, yeah,
yeah.
So for me, if I'm the bucks,I'm thinking he's not gonna sign
anyways, let's go get somebodybig.
And then they called minnesotaand tried to get anthony edwards
, which I don't think he's onethat they would move for
anything at this point.
He's younger, he's a superstar,like he's.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
He's like three or four years younger so it sounds
like dallas is like okay, wewant to get rid of luca they
were trying to see what big namewe could get for him.

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
But then going to the lakers.
That to me was the worst of thethree options.
Well, the others said no, soyeah, but like I feel like if
you really were trying, like Ifeel like you could have got
more than what they got.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
I mean, I remember, uh, you know, playing ps5 or
xbox back in the day and, andyou know, we'd make some crazy
trades just to get two good guyson the team oh yeah, because it
was just more fun to play thatway play that way, but yeah, I
mean but dallas was really likewe want rid of him like I just
nothing against anthony davisbut they were like we're going
to take Anthony Davis oheverything against Anthony Davis

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.

Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
Every team he's been at has not been successful, Like
he didn't win them achampionship.
That was LeBron that did that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
Like he did nothing in New Orleans.
I mean, he had stats but hedidn't have wins.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
He hasn't been in that many teams.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
So that's the thing.
Like, statistically, he getsstats, but I don't feel like
we've ever seen him translatestats to wins.
A lot of guys may not even havestats, but they translate wins
just because of all the thingsthat they do If he can stay
healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
He can't.

Speaker 1 (01:42:57):
He's never.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
We might have seen something at Dallas.
I don't think.
That's why I'm curious.

Speaker 3 (01:43:02):
I don't know that we would.

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
I don't know that anybody can be a star on the
same team as LeBron be a star onthe same team as LeBron.

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
I mean.
Miami did it.
They won multiple championships.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
I'm saying in today the way LeBron is right now with
his son coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:43:19):
No, I'll say this it looks pretty evident to me from
the little bit that we've seen.
Lebron knows he's the secondbest player on the team.

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
Does he know that?
Okay, it's going to take that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
I just think it's pretty obvious to LeBron if you
go get a true superstar of thecurrent league, lebron's no
longer a superstar of thecurrent league.
Lebron was a superstar.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
Is he on his way out?

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
I mean, he'll even tell you he's only got maybe two
left, maybe, and that's if hecan stay healthy.
Yeah, which he's done a goodjob, his whole career staying
pretty healthy.
I, his whole career stayingpretty healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
I just can't like LeBron.
There's just been somethinghe's 40.
Like physically, you just don'trecover the same.
I've never been a LeBron fan.
You know Cleveland, miami, youknow they had the big three and
this big, huge yeah.
So I didn't like how that?
What was that show that theydid beforehand?
They did the Decision, theDecision.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't like how all that went down.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
It just felt very kind of ridiculous I feel like
he flops a lot and whines a lot,complains the refs a lot.
It's just never been myfavorite the game is very
different.

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
I will say that the game is very, very different
than what it used to be.
It's not my favorite of thegame.
Um, there is no defense, it'sall offensive minded.
Um, but again, so you talkabout not liking LeBron.
I didn't really realize this,but talking with Brad the other
night about the Lakers, becausewe were watching this game, he
hated Jordan, hated Jordan.

(01:44:41):
He loved to hate him.
Now he still recognized Jordanas the greatest of all time.
Well, I mean, but he said Ilove to hate Jordan.
I wanted to see him fail and hejust didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
But also Brad's a Kobe fan.
Brad was a huge Kobe fan.
So who would Brad have as aGOAT?
Has he told you Jordan?
Yeah, he told me.
I was wondering, being a Kobefan.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
He is Jordan Kobe.

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
Yeah, I'm the same way.
He is one.
Two Jordan Kobe I am the sameway.

Speaker 1 (01:45:06):
So actually, what we ended up doing, and I I want to
have Brad on the podcast and Ifeel like this would be a fun
topic to talk about for all ofus.
Going through the top five perposition.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
Because that to me is way easier.
That's a way easier thing to do.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
It's hard to compare big men to guards and stuff like
that, right.

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
So basically saying, all right, let's just talk about
the top five point guards, thenlet's talk about the top five,
you know, of every position welet's just talk about the top
five point guards.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
Then let's talk about the top five, you know, of
every position.
We kind of started goingthrough.

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
It's really it really wasn't that bad Cause.
Most of them is kind of like wesaw some lists and it's like,
okay, that's right, this is waywrong.
Like there's a lot of thesepeople are wanting to put people
in there from the forties andfifties and those guys aren't as
good as a role player today.
It's such a different game.
It's so hard to compare that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
Well, but there's a lot of people today say that
about Jordan's era, so I thinkyou're always going to have that
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
So people say that.
But go back and watch any ofthat.
There was studs in the league.
Some of those dudes were studson defense.
Some of those dudes like youtake a Sean Kemp.
The man could only dunk theball.
He really didn't have much elseand he was a stud at the time.
But I mean you're talking.
I mean Jordan played against.

(01:46:25):
I mean he played against Shaq,played against Kobe, he played
against Rodman when he was atthe Pistons he played against
Isaiah Thomas.
He played against studs, likenot just like everybody's like.
Well, he played against aThomas.
He played against studs,everybody's like well.
He played against a bunch ofplumbers.
I didn't see the plumbers, Idon't know where they're at.
They're back in the 40s maybe,but the 90s was arguably.
To me, the 90s, early 2000s,was the best NBA has ever been.

(01:46:46):
It was physical, it wasaggressive, it was good
basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
And they still had some shooting.
I know now the emphasis is onscoring.
They want to score high numbers.
That's exciting.
I still feel like they did alot of shooting back then.
You had three-point specialiststhat could hit a lot of shots.

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
Well, yeah, the only reason Steve Kerr was in the NBA
is because he was a shooter,yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:03):
But we also had the guys that could be flashy and
dunk made his career off ofbeing, you know, that flashier,
run-my-mouth type player, likehe was the earlier version of
that.
But yeah, I mean, there wasreally really good teams back
then.
So it was hard to say, you know, everybody's like, well, this

(01:47:24):
is the best basketball has everbeen.
I don't agree with that,because it's again 140 to 140.
That's not basketball.
That's like we're playingone-sided.

Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
So you know, college is two 20-minute quarter or
halves Two 20-minute halves.
Which is so weird to me that westill do that at college
basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
It's the only the only one that still does it is
men's college basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
I think it comes back to TV timeouts and stuff,
because women's doesn't do iteither was the NBA 60 minute
games 15 minute yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:47:54):
Yeah, so 60 minute games you just said that now I
can't even think of it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Yeah, I thought it was four 15 minute quarters.
Why are we scoring 150 towardscollege scoring what?
60, 70s a lot of times?

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
I know we get some teams scoring more.
Here's the thing.
Yes, the NBA is way better thanany.
Sorry, it's 48 minutes, 12minute quarters.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
So only 8 minutes more than a college game.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
And yes, you're right , they are better players,
there's way more skill becauseobviously, just because you go
to the biggest of big teamsdoesn't mean you're going to
make the NBA, but should theydouble on average the points
that college teams are shootingin 8 more minutes In?
College, we still see defense.
No, that's my point.
Like the high scoring incollege, we still see defense.
No, that's my point.
Like the high scoring incollege, like if you see 100 to
a 90 game, that was high scoring.

(01:48:39):
You don't see that much Like thebig games are still like 70 to
70, 80 to 80.

Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
Like you don't see the 100 to 100 types, but the
NBA, that's any given night Ithink you even see players who
in college were great scorersbut not to that level.
And then they go in the nba andthey're they're hitting 50 a
night and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
it's like it's, there's no defense.
I mean it's until you get tothe playoffs, and then we get to
the playoffs and we'll startseeing 100 to 100.
I want to see those scores,like they do when we get to play
because.
So you start talking theplayoffs.
Even just go back as recent asmavericks versus Heat when
LeBron was there it was 90-90.
Yeah, like we were late in thefourth quarter, still in the 80s

(01:49:20):
.
I want to see that again Likethat to me was better, that was
a better product.
Who said that's boring.

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
Let's get this going now Adam.
Silver.
But I mean, do you think it's?
Is that what this generationwants, the ones younger than us?
Is that what this generationwants, the ones younger than us?

Speaker 1 (01:49:34):
So this generation is built on highlights.
So obviously you know not tosound old, but like everybody
wants the highlight clip, isthat a Curry thing.
I don't think it helped.
I mean, you know, I'm notblaming him for it, but I mean
as a whole as a whole, like youare going to see dunks and
you're going to seethree-pointers Like you don't

(01:49:56):
see much of.
Even Lucas still shoots a lotof mid range, like his little
turnaround fade away.
That's as much a highlight asany other, but it's, it's not.
It's not flashy enough.
Yeah, so you know, I don't, Idon't know it's, I don't like
the product of the NBA currently.
Um, product of the NBAcurrently.
I think this trade helpedbecause it just brought some
attention, but I don't think asa whole, it's in a great place.

(01:50:19):
I think they've got some stuffto figure out.
I think allowing some defenseto come back would help.
But, I think we're a long wayfrom that coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:50:25):
You know I like seeing a big that can shoot
threes you know, Kevin Durant orsomething like that, but I want
to see you go to the basketLike you're a big dude.

Speaker 1 (01:50:34):
But that's the thing.
Kevin Durant's not a big, he'stall but he's not a big.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
Yeah, that's the thing.
I get what you're saying he'sbasically a guard.

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
He's like a 6'10 guard.
He claims seven foot.
Man, he's seven foot.

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
In his interviews he's like yeah, I'm not really
he.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
No, but I'm not saying we've got to go back to
the days of Elijah Wan andAbdul-Jabbar and Shaxx.
We're not going to go back tothat.
I get that it's all aboutstretching the floor now, but
that doesn't mean we still can'tplay defense.
Anybody that wants to arguethat NBA plays defense now,

(01:51:12):
you're not watching it.
I don't think they play defense.
You're not watching it.
I mean, here I'll pull up ESPNright now If you NBA games.

Speaker 2 (01:51:21):
I don't know.
I think it would be hard toguard a big.
If a big can truly shoot threes.
Okay, what did you say, kevinDurant?
If you can truly shoot threesand go to the basket, it's hard.
Do you step out on them or doyou try to let them drive past
you?

Speaker 1 (01:51:35):
You know so I could see that A lot of these guys
though they don't, they don'tcare to play much defense, cause
it's not, it's not the coolthing to do.

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
Oh yeah, they're not.
They're not.
They're not working hard to bea better defender.

Speaker 1 (01:51:48):
I'm going to out shoot you, Like you, you may
have a guy that's like I'll be ashot blocker, but that's a
highlight, that's different.
Blocking at the rim, that's awhole different ball game than
playing good on-ball defense orknowing how to switch.
Well, not a great player.
But you go back to Del Vidovawhen he was on Cleveland, played

(01:52:10):
some amazing defense there inthe finals and he literally was
like I almost died.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
I was taking IVs and like I was done chasing curry
well, I mean when you're playingas many games as I play you
know, and the injuries they getum, maybe they don't want to,
maybe they're just said we'rejust going to out shoot you and
if I can't, so I know I knowthis is an overtime game, but
this is just one overtime.

Speaker 1 (01:52:33):
Okay, and they only scored a combined 23 points in
overtime.
Okay, 149 to 148.
Yeah, that's not fun to me.
Nicks, nicks and hawks, sowe're not even talking about
like the two top tier.

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
what that tells me, without even watching the game,
is they ran up and down thefloor and took, like first shot,
most of the time just a deepshot.
There was not many passing,there was not no defense.

Speaker 1 (01:52:58):
The first quarter was 38-29.
Then it was 31-30.
Then the third came out 41-36.
The fourth 36-33.
That is crazy numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
That's the thing I hate with NBA too.
You don't see a lot of ballmovement.
It's ISO.
I'm going to come up and justshoot myself.

Speaker 1 (01:53:18):
So Atlanta lost this game, okay, and they shot 50%
from the field.
Yeah, 110 shots.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
That's a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:53:26):
That's a lot in a game.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
That's a lot.
So what's the total shots forthe?

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
game the Knicks only shot 94 shots.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
But still, you're over.

Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
No for the game.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
The knicks only shot 94 shots.
But still you're over.
No, that's still a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
I'm not saying you're over 200 shots in a 48 minute
game.
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's a lotof shots in a very average
there, like that's yeah crazy.
So what we say about 200?

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
in a 48 minute game.
Yeah, it's actually more than200, but yeah, it was more than
200, 200.

Speaker 1 (01:53:53):
But God that's a lot A shot a minute is 60.

Speaker 2 (01:53:59):
You know what?
48 minutes, so 48 shots.

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
Yeah, so double that.
So because each team You'll saythat there's a shot per team,
per minute.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:54:07):
Okay, but that means each team is taking a shot every
30 seconds.

Speaker 3 (01:54:10):
That's still less than 100.

Speaker 1 (01:54:15):
I know right.
Still, you know less than 100.
I know that's what I'm saying.
So there we get it.
There's 24 second shot clock,so you do have things that are
pushing it, but not to thatlevel.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
But that tells me they're taking shots early in
the shot clock to get that manyshots in a game and with that,
okay, do you want?

Speaker 1 (01:54:26):
you don't take a guess on three pointers, because
you know that's the hot thingof the of the league uh, 200
shots.

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
I bet 60 to 70 of them was three-pointers,
probably You're saying totalyeah, across both teams.

Speaker 1 (01:54:38):
Yeah, so the Hawks took 38.
Okay, the Knicks took 26.
Yeah, so, yeah, you're at 60.
Yeah, or just over 60.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
So out of 200 shots, 60 of them were three-pointers.
Yeah, that's not fun to me.
Now, if you're moving the ballaround, you've got some offense
going and then you take an openthree-five.

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
I'll bet you that there was retention on it,
because score like that's what?
Well, I don't necessarily thinkthere's retention.
The league thinks everybodyjust wants a crazy amount of
scoring.
I don't, I don't either.
I mean, here's another oneCleveland beat Toronto.
Here's the thing If you score108 points, you should win, you
should they lost by 25.

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
They scored 108 losses for them 131 to 108.
Yeah, do not tell me they'redefensive league, brooklyn and
Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 (01:55:31):
I'm okay with this.
196.
Okay, an NBA game should bearound there.
I'm okay with this.
196.
An NBA game should be aroundthere.
I'm okay with it.
Orlando just beat Charlotte102-86.
But that's not the norm 9-9 out.
We're seeing the 120s witheveryone, and that's just.
That's not fun to me.
I like the full form ofbasketball.

(01:55:54):
I like to see both sides of theball.
I like to see all that.
So I'm just not fun to me.
No, I agree on that.
I like the full form ofbasketball.
I like to see both sides of theball.
I like to see all that.
So I'm just not crazy aboutthis.
Not even talking about run andgun.
It's just you put all youremphasis on can a guy score?

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
Could we would it help at all, I guess, with what
we're seeing to move thethree-point line back?

Speaker 3 (01:56:14):
I mean, these guys are taking it so deep.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
I don't know if it matters.

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
I don't feel like most of these guys are even
shooting right there at it.
Some of your bigs they trainlike right there on the line.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
Let's go back like the olden days.
Let's get rid of thethree-point line.

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
Let's make them go faster.

Speaker 2 (01:56:26):
Gosh, that would change the game so much.
But wouldn't it be way,something, way back when now I
almost think it would bringsomething back to the game to
get rid of it, because it'sbecome?

Speaker 1 (01:56:39):
so much of just that.
They've even said at that onepoint like oh what, what if we
added a four-point line?

Speaker 2 (01:56:42):
now we don't do that, don't, don't make it even worse
let's start giving five fromhalf court, and then we'll just
start jacking up shots from halfcourt all the time yeah, I mean
.

Speaker 1 (01:56:49):
Well, guys like curry , like, like dame, like they're
shooting from logo, anyways,they've got so much reach I
would love to see today'splayers play a game with no
three-point line.

Speaker 2 (01:57:00):
I just wonder what would they do.
Would they still take the deepshots?
There's no point to it at themoment.

Speaker 1 (01:57:06):
I think a guy like Curry, you'd still shoot deep
some because that's a great shotfor him.
For some guys maybe not.
I think you'd see a lot moredownhill, but still I think
that's a great shot for him.
For some guys maybe not.
I think you'd see a lot moredownhill, but still I think
you'd see some high scoringgames.
It'd just be on less point,like it'd be high scoring for
what it is a lot of shots justdoesn't yeah because there's
it's just not defense played thesame way.

(01:57:27):
It's just not like again.
I know the game is verydifferent and I'm not saying I
want to go back to be 75, 75like I Like.
I'm okay with 110-110.
Like I'm okay with that, but ateam shouldn't score 130 every
night.

Speaker 2 (01:57:42):
I never want to be that.
You know, old guy, that's justupset because it ain't the way
it was.
No, like I understand it'sgoing to change.
I'm not looking at that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:47):
It's going to get faster paced, like I think this
is the most athletic the leaguehas ever been.
I do agree with that, because Ithink in every position your
bigs are so much more athleticthan they used to be.
Oh yeah, because they get upand down the court they're
stretching they're shooting,you're right.
Everybody is athletic.
The athleticism is through theroof.

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
That's what gets me with Luka, because I don't look
at him as an athlete, in thathe's not super fast.

Speaker 1 (01:58:12):
He's not very quick, but basketball iq is there yeah,
like he, he may be more as abasketball player like he.
He has the full bag.
I mean his, his handles, his,the shots that he takes I love
handles or no, no see, I don'treally think he's fat right now
a lot of people do okay um,maybe off season, luca will get
a little bit bigger, but um,actually, I do think it's

(01:58:35):
probably really good for him tobe with LeBron though, because,
regardless of what you think ofLeBron, he's a physical specimen
has been his whole career.
Somebody like Luca willprobably learn a lot from
somebody like that.
Here's how you're going to bebetter than you already are.
Let's keep you on the rightpath.

Speaker 2 (01:58:50):
I'm not trying to cut you off, but I'm a little
disappointed because our truckhasn't went by tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:58:56):
Oh, I didn't even think about that.
We talked about that on a phonecall today.
We did.
But no, I haven't heard him.
We were saying we're going toflag him down one day.
No, listen, that thing's waylighter than the rain.

Speaker 2 (01:59:07):
He didn't get drowned out by the rain.

Speaker 1 (01:59:19):
Maybe his window doesn't roll up or something and
so he didn't want to drive itout in the rain.
That's possible.

Speaker 2 (01:59:20):
It's a beater, I mean it's definitely yeah, listen,
I'm not hating, I've had him,I've owned him.
Don't get me too.
We've all had beaters.
I'm not saying that, but it'svery possible to get you down
the road.

Speaker 1 (01:59:23):
By all means, drive it do we need to send a search
party?

Speaker 2 (01:59:26):
I don't know.
Do you think he got worried?
Was going to try to get him onthe?

Speaker 1 (01:59:29):
podcast in the podcast go search for him.

Speaker 2 (01:59:31):
We're getting worried about him you know I'm, he
can't live that far away as muchas he comes down here.

Speaker 1 (01:59:37):
No, I say he's.

Speaker 2 (01:59:37):
He's through here all the time he lives here coming
to friends house, something allthe time so yeah I'm just gonna
have to get out and drive downthe road until I find the truck
be like you.

Speaker 1 (01:59:45):
Okay, man, yeah, just checking.

Speaker 2 (01:59:48):
We'll go down there, find the truck on on a jack or
something.
Something broke on it orwhatever.

Speaker 1 (01:59:52):
But he started listening.
I got me a muffler.

Speaker 2 (01:59:55):
Is that what it is?
He got a muffler, who knows,maybe?

Speaker 1 (01:59:57):
we didn't hear him.
Maybe that's what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:59:59):
He came back quietly.

Speaker 1 (01:59:59):
Maybe he bought a new truck, I don't know, I don't
know.

Speaker 2 (02:00:02):
We need to put a poll up on that.

Speaker 1 (02:00:11):
What do you think happened to truck guy?
Yeah, lab, truck guy.

Speaker 2 (02:00:13):
Did?
It was his window broken.
He couldn't drive in the rain.
Was he abducted, who knows?

Speaker 1 (02:00:18):
Now we're getting into abducted.
It could be anywhere, it couldbe, anywhere.
Call Liam Neeson, he'll get you, it's fine.

Speaker 3 (02:00:25):
He's got a certain set of skills.

Speaker 2 (02:00:27):
He has a specific set of skills.

Speaker 1 (02:00:30):
He's got the skills.
He'll take care of it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:33):
That's what everybody goes to.
On those movies which I onlysaw the first one I didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:00:36):
I didn't really care much for him, it was okay um I
never watched the others yeah, Imean I feel like you've seen
one, you've seen them all.
Yeah, I'm sure I like they'rejust pretty much the same thing.
Yeah, well, this was an nbaheavy podcast at this point
tonight.
Like we really got into thatway more than I guess I
anticipated it, because we don'ttalk about much nba.
But you know, like I said, thetrade made it relevant you're uh

(02:00:59):
luca fan.

Speaker 2 (02:00:59):
I guess I'm gonna try to watch luca I do like luca, I
really do.
I've liked him for a while Ithink I'm gonna have to start um
, I don't know, I'm gonna startgetting on somebody else, just
so I can trash the lakers whenyou talk about them I mean I
don't, I can't, I don't think Icould be a Lakers fan.

Speaker 1 (02:01:14):
I'm sorry, brad, I just don't think I could truly
be a Lakers fan.
But I do like Luka.
I mean, he's the number oneselling jersey.

Speaker 2 (02:01:23):
Like you can't get one at this point I was that way
.
End of Kobe's career.
I was never a Lakers fan, butyou're a Kobe fan.
But I love to watch Kobe play.

Speaker 1 (02:01:29):
I got you.

Speaker 2 (02:01:30):
So I get that, which I don't really truly have an NBA
team.

Speaker 1 (02:01:35):
I don't know that I've ever just truly had one.

Speaker 2 (02:01:39):
I've liked different teams Growing up.

Speaker 1 (02:01:41):
I was a Chicago fan, but you were a Jordan fan.
That was different.

Speaker 2 (02:01:44):
The whole team was just awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:01:45):
I was a Mavericks fan for a long time because of Dirk
.
Yeah, that was it.
I wasn't truly a Mavericks fan.
I was a Dirk fan.
Yeah, truly a Mavericks fan.
I was a Dirk fan, yeah, so Idon't know, at some point I
probably will have to find me atrue team to jump on we got a
team here in Charlotte and onein Atlanta and they both suck.

Speaker 2 (02:02:00):
I mean, are you going to be one of those guys that
jump on the best team?

Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
No, I'll jump on a player that I truly like, like I
think that's what it, so I'mdefinitely not that like for for
nba or really nfl, like I cheerfor the cowboys, but I don't
have the same feel towards thatas I do like basketball.

Speaker 2 (02:02:25):
At one time I had easier to the guys that were the
patriots fans and the you knowalabama football fans, your
patriot fans.

Speaker 1 (02:02:35):
You were probably like a Tar Heel or Duke
basketball fan.
It was like every team that waswinning a championship.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
that's my favorite team, so you know I have a
reason because I have aconnection, but I get that
sometimes because of a Kentuckybasketball fan, ohio State
football fan.
Like well, you just picked twodifferent.

Speaker 1 (02:02:50):
So here's the thing.
I have connections too.
I'm going to keep saying thisfor as long as I can.
Kentucky underperformed for thelast 15 years.

Speaker 2 (02:03:01):
I hear you.

Speaker 1 (02:03:02):
I think you've started to understand more of
what I'm saying.
I'm not saying you necessarilydisagree.

Speaker 2 (02:03:09):
I don't necessarily mean that it depends on what
you're looking for.
The last five, 100%.
The first five years werepretty good.
The first five, really.
What did he do?
Several final fours in achampionship, one right, one
championship, okay, correct.
But what is your metric forsucceeding?
Because how many?

Speaker 1 (02:03:28):
here's what, what we found out.
If you don't know, obviouslydavid's a big UK basketball fan.
In the 15 years that Kyle Perrywas coached there, he had 50.

Speaker 2 (02:03:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:03:39):
And that's 5-0 draft picks.
And if you don't know muchabout the NBA, there's only two
rounds Like it is the smallestdraft of all major sports To get
drafted in the NBA.
That's a huge accomplishment tome, like baseball, there's a
million rounds Football.

Speaker 2 (02:03:54):
There's a huge accomplishment to me.
Like baseball, there's amillion rounds Football, there's
seven.
Cal had a year where he hadseveral drafts that same year
and he made a comment this isthe greatest day in UK history
and he got a lot of backlash forit because Kentucky has so much
history.

Speaker 1 (02:04:07):
A championship means more than that.

Speaker 2 (02:04:09):
So that's my point.
When you look at Cal, Cal wasmore interested in getting
players to the league than hewas winning championships.

Speaker 1 (02:04:16):
But fans weren't.

Speaker 2 (02:04:17):
No, fans weren't.
So in his mind he wassucceeding, he was doing what he
wanted to do and his belief waslet me get the best players
here, They'll win hischampionships.

Speaker 1 (02:04:25):
But that doesn't mean he succeeded as a team 100%,
because here's the thing he had50 draft picks, 38, 36 or 30.
Draft picks 38, 36 or 30, Ithink it's 36.
Actually 36 were first roundokay.
So over half for first round,25 of those were lottery picks,
yeah, and out of that he got onechampionship.

Speaker 2 (02:04:46):
He did that blows my mind.
I would argue.
When you bring all those guystogether, they don't always fit
as a team.
You're just bringing a bunch ofathletes, superstars, in trying
to get them on the league.

Speaker 1 (02:04:57):
Listen, I agree with that.
So here's the thing I will sayKyle Perry is probably the
greatest recruiter in collegebasketball history.
I don't know that you'll eversee a guy like that again.
I don't think he's a very goodcoach, and that's where, as a
Kentucky fan, it was like okaynames, you can watch all these

(02:05:17):
guys win the NBA, but youweren't getting championships.
You got one, you got some FinalFours.
In the last 15 years, carolinahas quadrupled your championship
with way less quality.
Let's just be honest.
The teams that Kentucky hadthey're like.
Oh, we made it to the EliteEight.

Speaker 2 (02:05:30):
That's why Kentucky was finally ready.
The fans were like, okay, wegot to move on, because it was
always well, we've got thisgroup coming in next year.
And Kentucky fans were finallylike we've seen this year after
year it doesn't matter who youbring in, If you don't coach
them right, have the rightrotations, they're not going to
win.

Speaker 1 (02:05:47):
So that's to me I will die on the hill.
Calipari is not a goodbasketball coach.
Coach, I don't argue with thatat all.
I am saying coach as a truebasketball coach.
He doesn't coach defense well,he doesn't really coach the team
well.
He just needs really good guysthat can kind of go out and play
, because that's what he did atKentucky.

Speaker 2 (02:06:06):
I am curious though first five years at Kentucky and
back into Memphis UMass couldthe main coach Because he didn't
have as much talent then he wasdoing pretty well yeah, derrick
Rose yeah but that's one guy Imean.
But they also got beat.
They lost Kansas.

Speaker 1 (02:06:22):
So that's the thing is like again.
It's like Brad Stevens takingButler there back-to-back years.
They still lost and it was kindof a fluke that they made it
back.
I mean, don't get me wrong,they almost beat Duke that one
year and then they didn't comeclose.
But if you go.

Speaker 2 (02:06:35):
look like again this last five years.
Cal was horrible.
I might even say two or threeyears before that.
So I would say five to eightyears is when Calabria had his
run, and I don't know how manyteams win multiple championships
in that, you know, five-yearspan.
Obviously, uconn just did itWell, so but here's Obviously,
UConn just did it.

Speaker 1 (02:06:54):
Here's the thing.
Even then, how many times didhe make it to the championship?
It wasn't many.
He made some final fours Allthose five years he didn't
actually make it there.

Speaker 2 (02:07:03):
Obviously the one they won and I think one other.
They made it there in that fiveyears.
Then a couple final fours.
Like I said, the first five Ican't argue.
The first five was pretty danggood.
He still wasn't a good coach,I'm not going to say he was.

Speaker 1 (02:07:18):
Like I said, when you have 25 lottery picks that's
unheard of.

Speaker 2 (02:07:25):
As he went on in his career, he tried to stay with
the same mindset when he's inArkansas.
It's not working.

Speaker 1 (02:07:30):
He won a couple games recently, which is hard.
The game has changed a lot now,especially now with NIL.
It evens the field out.

Speaker 2 (02:07:38):
He never changed with times when everybody started
shooting threes.

Speaker 1 (02:07:41):
He didn't no.

Speaker 2 (02:07:42):
Everybody started getting older players.
He was still getting the youngone-and-dones and experience
started beating talent, Yep andhe was more focused on let me
get these young guys help, helpthem get to the league, help
their families, which iscommendable.
Like he's done a lot of greatstuff, Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:07:55):
It's like on the other end of that spectrum the
Tar Heels will be good everyfour years.
We're going to go win achampionship every four years,
or at least be there, becausewe're going to have the juniors
and seniors.

Speaker 2 (02:08:07):
They're going to go do it, but you might win more
championships.
Like you said, cal got one.

Speaker 1 (02:08:10):
Oh won, oh, I, I definitely think, I don't know,
now it's not gonna be as flashystay as much.
But yeah, I mean they, they goone year, get beat on the last
second by villanova, win thenext one.
Like you're in it two straightyears.
That's a big deal.
It is um, like so that's thewhole thing.
Like yukon winning the last twois a huge deal, like we haven't
seen that since florida did itwith billy donovan yep so very

(02:08:32):
subtle.

Speaker 2 (02:08:33):
I mean there's a lot of coaches like go look it up
the list and I just pulled up toget your exact number active
coaches right now in in collegebasketball that have won more
than one championship well.

Speaker 1 (02:08:44):
so if you look at the list now it's a little skewed
because they've all retired,like in the, the very recent.
Most of those guys have allretired because you know, roy
williams retired a couple yearsago or a few years ago now,
coach K a few years ago, likethe guys that were really doing
it, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:08:59):
But you're still not going to get many over.
How many teams 360-some youknow Division I teams.

Speaker 1 (02:09:05):
Yeah, basketball, there's so many more D1 teams
than there is.
So you don't get that many, andthen, if you're lucky enough,
to get two, three is like almostunheard of, for it's got, it's
got to stretch out a long career, yeah long career.

Speaker 2 (02:09:20):
So now I contribute that to the tournament being so
random, because you can put thebest team out there five years
in a row and you might win oneof them just because of the way
you match up with a team, oryeah, I mean I, I do get that.

Speaker 1 (02:09:33):
Yeah, I mean there's.
I definitely don't think we'regonna see hurley win a third.
There'd have to be some changesbecause uconn, so uconn.
Early in the year I was stillkind of big on because I'm like
they'll they'll figure it out.

Speaker 3 (02:09:46):
You're falling off they.

Speaker 1 (02:09:47):
they probably get back in the top 25 now because
they just beat um creon who wasranked.
So you know we'll see it, butjust holding on.
Selection Sunday is coming upsoon.

Speaker 2 (02:10:02):
I say we got to be getting close.
We don't have much.
I'm enjoying college basketballright now.
It's one of those weird things,because college basketball, if
you really enjoy it, you don'twant it to end, but you also
really want to get to thetournament.
Yeah, so you know, what do youhope for?
You know longer season that youdon't get to the tournament, or

(02:10:25):
let's get there and get enoughwith.
So I don't know, this year isgoing to be fun to watch that
first weekend.
I think of the tournament Justbecause there could be any
upsets anywhere.
Yeah, I think of the tournamentJust because there could be any
upsets anywhere.

Speaker 1 (02:10:36):
Yeah, I mean, I agree , I do agree, and I love the
tournament.
Gosh, it excites me so much.
There's just games all day.

Speaker 2 (02:10:43):
But then, when it's over, it's over.
I hate that.

Speaker 1 (02:10:46):
It's any sport, though I hate that the NFL's
over NFL playoffs are fantastic.
Not a huge one this season, butthe playoffs are fantastic, so
it's just, it's tough.
Um, I see how they're lookingup, but what are you?

Speaker 2 (02:11:02):
pulling up over there .
Well, I mean roy williams, in a15 year span, did win three.
So good coach.

Speaker 1 (02:11:04):
Oh, I'm not, not, I just it was one of the first
that I saw no uh, that woulddefinitely something we talk
about later, because I I do wantto do kind of a uh coaching,
kind of a coaching tier tierlist at some point we kind of
talk about, because there's somecoaches that, like Calipari,
gets into a higher tier becauseof his recruiting.
Some of those guys get it fordifferent reasons, but it does

(02:11:25):
put them in a higher kind ofechelon than others, that's
still part of it, so I think itstill makes you a good coach.

Speaker 2 (02:11:31):
Now, coach saying coach, not like you're coaching
the team on the court.

Speaker 1 (02:11:35):
So much he's not the x and o's guy.

Speaker 2 (02:11:37):
Yeah, not nice, no guy still makes a good coach,
but what for you would have madecows.
If cow wins two in those first10 years, do you say, all right,
he was successful.
Yeah, see, so it's just oneaway.
But do you know how there wereso?

Speaker 1 (02:11:51):
many times he was so close.
I get it, but the whole thingis with those teams to be 1%
better in X's and O's or 1%better on coaching defense
throughout the year, because,like we saw in big games, the
guys didn't know how to switchon defense.
The guy like little things,it's like hey, I learned that in

(02:12:12):
middle school.

Speaker 2 (02:12:12):
He was so close so many times and I just couldn't
put it away.
Just like the 38-1 season.
That was a crazy season, butthen you lost.

Speaker 1 (02:12:23):
So it's like you lost to a Wisconsin team in the
final four and I'm not sayingyou were one of these fans, but
there's so many UK fans thatwere like but we only lost one
game, but you didn't win.

Speaker 2 (02:12:36):
Like who fans that were like, but we only lost one
game, but you didn't win, likewho cares.
So that's what's tough, becauseit is a crazy uh stat to have a
team that went 38 no, untilthey got, you know, to the final
four.
Well, but it's.
But you didn't have achampionship, it's no different
than the warriors.

Speaker 1 (02:12:48):
The warriors finished with the best regular season
ever and didn't win achampionship.
So like, like you.
Just you have to be able tocomplete it.
It's more than just a season.
Like you have to like thecraziest thing.
Like you have to be, you haveto stay healthy.
You have to do all the things.
Like there's so much to it.

Speaker 2 (02:13:04):
That's where I hate the, the one thing I hate about
the tournament.
I'd like to see a best two outof three or something possible
with that many teams, that justruins it.

Speaker 1 (02:13:13):
The magic of it is the one and done.
You've got to be better.

Speaker 2 (02:13:18):
But that's where I would see a little difference
with what the Warriors did.
They couldn't win a series tokeep going.

Speaker 1 (02:13:22):
They were up 3-1, though Kentucky lost one game
that's so easy to do.
The game they lost.
You could even say well, theyplayed better than they ever
have, play better defense, andthey don't get to play better.
Well, so Like there's stilllike there's a lot of things
that's.

Speaker 2 (02:13:38):
The one guy on Kentucky's team, alex Porthris,
that could have made adifference.
He didn't play in that game, hewas out, so he was the guy that
would have guarded him.

Speaker 1 (02:13:47):
It's like one guy doesn't make a team.
Who was that Like?

Speaker 2 (02:13:51):
So they had Kaminsky, they had Decker, they had a few
guys I think Kaminsky's the onethat beat them that Porthos
would have defended, basically.

Speaker 1 (02:13:59):
But at the same time it's like okay, you're saying
one guy on a 38-0 team.
Somebody else has got to beable to play defense, oh I agree
with that.
So it's like that's where andit's as a fan, and I'm not
saying you, but literally as afan, everybody has an excuse
saying you, but I, literally, asa fan, everybody has an excuse
and it's like okay, your teamshould be better than do you

(02:14:19):
like.
It's not like saying we wereout of lebron, lebron wasn't
there, okay, no, no, I agreethat.

Speaker 2 (02:14:22):
I think that's a cow issue I think.

Speaker 1 (02:14:24):
No, I agree.

Speaker 2 (02:14:25):
I agree with that yeah, that's what it comes down
to, uh, but I still think it's agreat accomplishment.
So again, I know you know yourbig thing lately cow under
underachieved and I agree, buthe still did a lot of good stuff
.
Even though I don't want him atKentucky, I'm glad he's gone.
You can't forget what he didwhile he was there.

Speaker 1 (02:14:47):
I mean, the only thing that I feel like he
actually did was bring relevance.
He brought relevance back,that's it.

Speaker 2 (02:14:52):
That's Kentucky.
They didn't need relevance.

Speaker 1 (02:14:54):
They kind of did.
They were on that path.
Well, they had two years of abad coach, that's it.
We have it, carolina.

Speaker 2 (02:15:01):
But you're still relevant.
You're still Carolina.

Speaker 1 (02:15:03):
But we're on the path of not being.

Speaker 2 (02:15:05):
You don't need somebody to come save you.
You're still Carolina.
You're always going to beCarolina.
Oh, we absolutely need savingright now.
You need somebody else.
We do two more years of this.
We need saving.

Speaker 1 (02:15:17):
Well, if they let two more years go, that's the
problem, like the difference intwo to three, like you can't
miss the way you're missing.

Speaker 2 (02:15:22):
Oh no, I agree with that.
Kentucky had two years of badcoaching and said we can't do
this no more, so I hope Carolinadoes that too.

Speaker 1 (02:15:31):
But this is the second time in my lifetime that
we've done this, so it's likealright, we can't do this every
15 years, guys, we've got tofigure it out.

Speaker 2 (02:15:39):
Now that I think about it, I'm a huge fan of him.
You're a Hubert man, I'm aHubert.
Hubert would stay there forever.
That's the greatest coach I'veever seen.
I'm going to get on Facebookwith everybody else to stay
there forever.

Speaker 1 (02:15:51):
Listen, you were looking for an argument.
I'll come argue with you onthat one, does he?

Speaker 2 (02:15:54):
have a brother or something.
We can go over to Duke whilewe're at it and get some of
these people out.

Speaker 1 (02:15:58):
That's the only thing we agree on is the hatred for
Duke.

Speaker 2 (02:16:00):
It is All right, guys ?

Speaker 1 (02:16:03):
Well, we've been a little everywhere tonight, had a
lot of fun Again, as always.
Please, please, please, feelfree to reach out to us.
We're talking about it againtoday.
We'd love to get some topicsspecifically from you guys and
see what you want to talk about.

Speaker 2 (02:16:20):
Yeah, I want to know what you want to hear us talk
about.

Speaker 1 (02:16:21):
Again, david wants to argue with somebody on Facebook
, so give him something to arguewith you about.

Speaker 2 (02:16:31):
I mean I've got ammo, I'll give it to you.
I'm not going to argue, I'mgoing to say yes, you are right,
100%.

Speaker 1 (02:16:37):
So Can I argue with that one?
I'm going to find thisrecording and play it back to
you when that happens.

Speaker 2 (02:16:43):
I just Because it's not going to.
If anybody knows Truck Guy,loud Truck Guy, yeah, like tell
him we're worried about him.

Speaker 1 (02:16:51):
Yeah, I'd like to know that he's okay, we're going
to go out and stop him in themiddle of the road If he did buy
a muffler.

Speaker 2 (02:16:58):
I'm probably going to go cut it off because I need to
know when he's going to buy it.
Gosh, no, Don't do that.

Speaker 1 (02:17:02):
Let him have his muffler.
No, no, no Let him have his day.
He Wow, that'd be a sad day.
Well, on that note, weappreciate you guys coming to
hang out with us and we will seeyou next week.
Thanks, everybody.

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