November 1, 2025 • 33 mins
Our special guest Dr. Alexandra McGlashan is a Mom, Educator and Psychologist.
She is a New York State Licensed Clinical Psychologist and Certified Bilingual School Psychologist. Dr. McGlashan received a doctoral degree in School/Clinical Child Psychology from Pace University. A native New Yorker, she is also proud to remain connected to her roots as a daughter of Haitian immigrants. She has worked for over 20 years as a K-12 School Psychologist in both New York City and Long Island working directly with students to help improve learning, behavior, and emotional health. She consults with teachers and school staff, and conducts numerous fun and informative workshops for corporate organizations, parents and children on various topics including Mental health and Digital Media, Mindfulness, Immigrants and Mental Health, Understanding Learning Disabilities and Stress Management.
Outside of the schools, Dr. McGlashan works as an adjunct professor helping to train the next generation of School/Clinical Psychologists. Dr. McGlashan has a small private-practice on Long Island. She prides herself on delivering culturally competent, professional service with a warm and caring touch.
We explore grief as a whole‑person experience, challenge the linear “stages” myth, and share tools that honor culture, family needs, and personal timelines. Practical resources include 988, community groups, EAP options, and rituals that turn memory into meaning.
• defining grief as loss across death, divorce, work and routine
• cultural expressions of mourning and avoiding judgment
• accepting feelings rather than the loss itself
• honest language for children and modeling emotion safely
• signs of complicated grief and when to seek help
• 988 Lifeline and the limits of AI for counseling
• coping skills including music, rituals and community
• hospice, low‑cost resources and EAP access
• giving yourself grace while staying connected to support
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SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
Welcome back to Not Just a Nurse Podcast.
You're here with Nurse Jax andanother wonderful guest.
SPEAKER_02 (00:40):
We have a full packed evening for you guys
where we're going to focus onhealing and balance and becoming
whole, mind, body, and soul.
I'm your host, Nurse Jax, andtoday we're going to continue
the series on grief, a topicthat touches every single one of
us, yet often goes unspoken.
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We heard from our first episodeabout the power of regaining
your light in a very dark timesfrom Roseanne.
Joining me today is Dr.
McGloshin, a licensedpsychologist who has helped
countless individuals navigateloss, trauma, and emotional
healing.
Together, we'll explore thepsychology of greed, what's
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really happening inside of us,how to move through it, and how
to support others while they'rehealing in the journey.
So let's take a deep breath,open our hearts, and let's
begin.
So, Dr.
McGloshin, please start bysharing a little bit about
yourself, your journey, and yournew endeavors, and then we'll
jump right into the topic ofgrief.
SPEAKER_03 (01:46):
Okay, good evening, Nurse Hunter.
Thank you so much for having meon your podcast.
My name is Dr.
Alex McGloshan.
I have been practicing in thefield of psychology for going on
25 years now.
I am a school psychologist andas also a clinical psychologist.
(02:08):
I work predominantly in theschools, but I also have a
private practice where I seeadolescents and also young
adults.
In addition to that, I do workas an adjunct professor, most
recently for Delphi Universityand Pace University, training
graduate students in the fieldof psychology.
(02:30):
It's really a pleasure to behere with you tonight.
SPEAKER_02 (02:33):
Oh, that's great.
So, Dr.
McGloshin, in your work as apsychologist, how do you
personally define grief?
SPEAKER_03 (02:41):
Is it more than just sadness?
Absolutely.
I would say it's more thansadness.
Grief is a universal feeling.
And what I mean by that is thateveryone in the world
experiences similar feelings,but everybody grieves
differently.
So what we have in common thoughis that it is a profound
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sadness.
So it's not just, you know,something that usually will go
away, you know, the next day,or, you know, where you may have
be in a bad mood and then you'rein a better mood.
It's something that's usuallymore long-lasting, more intense,
and feels painful.
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Feels painful in the body andthe mind.
SPEAKER_02 (03:30):
Because, you know, sometimes we feel like grief is
just about crying and it's notthat, is it?
SPEAKER_03 (03:38):
No, not at all.
I remember when I first startedpracticing in the schools and I
was counseling two youngchildren who had lost their
mother.
And one of the, I think it wasthe older sibling, was a girl,
expressed that she was upsetthat her younger brother was not
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crying, you know.
Oh wow.
You're not crying for mommy.
Because she was crying a lot.
And he said, I am crying, I cryon the inside, and I've never
forgotten that.
SPEAKER_02 (04:13):
That's the the male-female version of grief,
right?
So we're more emotional, andguys do on the inside, but that
can hurt us too, right?
SPEAKER_03 (04:24):
Yeah, it can.
And I just want to point outthat it's not necessarily a
gender thing because therecertainly are men who are very
open with their emotions andthey will cry and they will
express how they're feeling, andthere are women who will be the
ones who don't cry and who holdin their emotions.
So I just want to put that outthere.
Okay.
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But I think there's a differencebetween being completely cut off
from your feelings and notacknowledging that you're sad
and just not expressing that onthe outside to other people.
You know what I'm saying?
So a person might just be thetype of person who doesn't what
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we call emote easily.
You can't just look at them andknow exactly how they're
feeling.
But if you ask them, they cantell you, they might say, I feel
like a boulder has crushed mysoul.
They feel it.
They feel it.
That's so deep.
Right?
They feel it.
And so that's not the same thingas a person who says, Oh no, I'm
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I'm I'm I'm perfectly fine.
And they mean it.
And meanwhile, they had a verysignificant loss, right?
Because that would not behealthy and that's not typical
for people to completely, youknow, disregard their feelings.
You know, that would be unusual.
Most often, people expressfeelings of pain.
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How they express it, that candepend on the personality, on
culture, on particular family.
In some families, it's okay to,you know, express yourself, it's
okay to yell and scream.
And in other families, that'snot really considered acceptable
behavior.
And so sometimes people learn toexpress their feelings in a
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certain way.
And that's okay.
SPEAKER_02 (06:18):
So when you talk about culture, that's definitely
a touchy subject, right?
Because in the African-Americanculture, especially the
Caribbean culture in ourcommunity, so what have you seen
in our community how griefaffects us?
SPEAKER_03 (06:35):
Well, I think that we as a whole, as people of
African descent, we tend toexpress grief out loud in
general.
You mean like falling over thecasket?
You know, yeah, our with ourwhole bodies sometimes, yes.
unknown (06:51):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (06:52):
You know, but uh again, that's not everybody.
That's not a good thing.
No, it's not everybody, youknow, but it wouldn't be unusual
to walk into a funeral of anyfamily of African descent,
whether you're from theCaribbean, whether from your
south, whether from you know,you're from Harlem, whether
you're from Nigeria, whetheryou're from wherever, and see
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somebody having that kind ofreaction, shaking, you know,
crying, throwing the arms up.
So that's just, you know, aculturally acceptable way of
grieving.
There is a connection with ourspirituality and how we express
our spirituality with how wegrieve.
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You know, those of us who areraised in a more quiet spiritual
tradition, like say Catholicism,maybe a little bit more quiet,
quote unquote, with theirgrieving than if you were raised
in, say, a Pentecostaltradition.
Correct.
Or a traditional, you know,indigenous religion.
(07:58):
But what I really want to stressis it is important that we don't
judge others and we don't judgeourselves about how we grieve.
Right.
You know.
SPEAKER_02 (08:11):
So a lot of people associate grief with only death,
right?
That's when I grieve because I'msomeone died, right?
What are some other forms ofgrief you've seen and you know
that people might not evenrecognize?
Sure, that's a good question.
SPEAKER_03 (08:28):
And yes, you're right.
Grief is really loss.
So it's not always the death ofa person or a loved one, but it
could be, for example, adivorce.
That's a form of loss.
And people who go throughdivorce describe it as a
grieving process, a loss of therelationship or the expectation
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that one had for their marriage.
Grief can also be some kind ofchange in job, a termination
from work.
During COVID, many of usexperienced loss of our everyday
life, of the way things used tobe.
Right.
That was tough.
That was tough, you know.
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Many people talked about thebefore.
I miss the before.
I miss being outside.
And then you get outside like, Ijust want to come inside.
SPEAKER_02 (09:22):
I just want to come inside.
SPEAKER_03 (09:23):
Yeah, well, now we're we're back to you know,
yeah, we're back outside, butwhen we lost the ability to
socialize with one another andto be together, and you know, we
felt it as a loss, and peoplewere in various stages of
grieving because of it.
SPEAKER_02 (09:42):
You talk about stages.
So, what are the differentstages of grieving?
SPEAKER_03 (09:46):
So it's interesting to ask that question.
So there are, you know,traditionally the stages that we
all learn about, you know,shock, anger, and disbelief, you
know, and acceptance.
But there are researchers whonow question that model and say,
(10:06):
Oh, okay.
It's not some of those features,yes, we do experience them, but
it is not true necessarily thatyou have to go through this
particular order and experiencethis, and then you experience
that, and then you experiencethis, and then now you have
closure, and now you're allbetter.
And now you're acceptance, andyou're all better, right?
(10:28):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (10:29):
I don't know if you ever really get better.
Like I don't right, right.
I think you just continue toexist with the grief.
SPEAKER_03 (10:37):
Learning to live with the loss, you know,
learning to live with the loss.
And you know, what we know nowis that it's better to focus on
helping people make it, youknow, helping people get through
life without the physicalpresence of this person that
they cared so deeply about.
(10:59):
So, you know, we talk abouthelping the person to accept
their feelings about the death,right?
As opposed to accept the death,because that's a really hard
thing to ask a person to do, toaccept the death, but accept
your feelings about it.
SPEAKER_02 (11:17):
Can you go a little deeper into that?
Because that's very interesting.
Accepting your feelings aboutit.
SPEAKER_03 (11:24):
Right.
So I think that you know,culturally, it is universally
expected that the predominantfeeling is going to be sadness.
And yes, there's sadness, butthere's not just sadness,
sometimes there's anger,sometimes there's intense anger,
and that anger can be directedat the person who is deceased.
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Like, you know, why'd you leaveme?
Or why didn't you take care ofyourself better, or why weren't
you more careful, or why didn'tyou know, these are the kind of
feelings that one might feel arenot valid, not fair, not
rational, but you might feelthem, right?
And it's important to accept itif that's what you feel, and
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talk about it and process it andlet it out.
You know, it could be overwhelmand exhaustion could be the
predominant feeling, like thisis too much.
You know, one of the things thatwe don't really talk about, but
when a person who is a veryclose loved one passes away,
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there's a lot that goes withthat from planning the final
arrangements, dealing with youknow the paperwork of all of the
the loved one's assets.
Maybe there were things thatthat person took care of, and
now you have to take care of it.
SPEAKER_02 (12:49):
And so apparently that's huge, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (12:52):
So, you know, that all of them are.
SPEAKER_02 (12:54):
Like now you left me with all this stuff, yeah,
especially with the wife andhusband situation, and like the
husband normally the one to takecare of all this stuff, and then
now where am I gonna find likehow do I go through life now?
Now I gotta figure out yourstuff.
(13:14):
And yesterday, you know, when Iinterviewed Roseanne, she was
like, Yeah, and they have todealt with the estates, right,
and the business, and peopledon't talk about those things,
like that's work, absolutely,it's a lot, you know.
SPEAKER_03 (13:30):
So there are a lot of feelings that you might have,
and again, it's important thatyou not judge yourself and give
yourself grace, you know, and soit comes, it always comes back
to yourself because now you haveto take care of you in this
process, right?
(13:51):
Yes, okay.
And that brings me to animportant point.
I think one of the mostimportant things most therapists
will tell you is to reach out toothers, to loved ones, family
members, friends, and let themknow that you need help.
Don't don't try to go it alone,don't try to be superwoman,
(14:12):
don't do that, or superman,don't do that.
Yeah, it's too much.
It's too much.
It's too much, you know.
And the thing is, as humans, weall are going to experience loss
in our lives.
So I help you today, you help metomorrow.
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We have to help each other.
And I think too many times,especially in the black
community, too many times wefeel like I have to do this, I
have to do this.
SPEAKER_02 (14:45):
I gotta get through this myself.
I just don't understand.
SPEAKER_03 (14:48):
Yeah, by myself, you know, and the thing is we're
we're human beings, we're notrobots, and sometimes it's okay
to take the time to grieve, torest, to be with other loved
ones that bring you comfort andother friends, and ask somebody
else to do the heavy lifting foryou or with you to support you.
SPEAKER_02 (15:13):
Oh, okay.
So you've worked with so manypeople in different stages of
loss, right?
So, what have you learned abouthow grief shows up differently
for everyone?
SPEAKER_03 (15:26):
Well, I mean, you know, like I said, every
individual is different.
I think that what I will say isit does seem to be harder when
it's like a head of household.
And let's say, like, there's aloss of a spouse, and then there
are children.
What I find is in those cases,the surviving spouse often feels
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the need to protect the childrenfrom the pain.
And in doing that, they willhide you know their feelings or
hide their suffering.
Yeah, you know, is that a goodor a bad thing to do?
Huh.
So, I mean, I think it's not thebest thing to do because working
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with children for many years,one thing I always tell the
grown-ups in their lives isthey're paying attention and
they know that you're sad.
So don't tell them you're okayif you're not, because they
know, you know, and they need toknow that you know you're sad.
What you can say is, I'm very,very sad right now, but I'm
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gonna be okay, and you're gonnabe okay.
But it's okay to let them know.
I think it's important to behonest and speak to them at a
level that they will understandbased on their age.
And, you know, there are booksfor children about grieving.
I recommend parents, they shouldlook into those books.
Most school counselors andschool social workers and
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psychologists would have them ifyou ask, or you can just do a
quick Google search just to helpyou have the language for it.
But I think that's somethingthat I witness a lot, and also
kind of a frequent mistake thatI see is people will say, Oh,
well, the kids are fine.
Oh, they're okay.
They cried at the funeral, butlook, they're playing, they're
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fine.
No, they're not.
SPEAKER_01 (17:24):
They're not, they're not because you're not, you're
not fine, so yeah, how couldthey be fine?
SPEAKER_03 (17:30):
They are children, so they show it differently, you
know, but they still feel theloss.
That's one, and two, childrenwill sometimes pretend in front
of the grieving adult to be okaybecause they're believe it or
not, trying to protect thatperson, you know.
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Like mommy's already sad, so Idon't want her to know how much
I'm sad or how much everybody isprotecting each other,
everyone's protecting eachother.
SPEAKER_02 (18:03):
Everyone is protecting each other and
actually facing it and dealingwith it and going past it.
SPEAKER_03 (18:10):
Right, right.
I see that a lot.
Interesting, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:14):
Yeah, because you know, you want to like when my
dad passed, I was trying toprotect my mom.
She has like, I haven't seen hercry, I haven't seen her, so
she's probably trying to protectme.
SPEAKER_03 (18:27):
Yeah, you know, it's just like and we're all in
shambles, yeah.
So you're crying probably.
I was like, I'm gonna be strongfor my daughter.
But I mean, you know, Idefinitely understand the
intention, you know.
But what I want to say is thatyou don't have to do that, you
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can be there for each other andstill grieve outwardly and let
it out together and mourntogether and get through it, you
know.
SPEAKER_02 (19:00):
So when does grief become something more serious,
like complicated or depression?
Yes, or how can someone knowlike when to seek help?
SPEAKER_03 (19:11):
Generally speaking, there's no actual time period
where you say, Okay, you'redone, right?
But in general, after about ayear or two, if a person is
still expressing significantfeelings of depression and
sadness, it may be a good ideato seek a mental health
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practitioner.
Also, if in their earlierstages, so let's say four or
five months in, the person justcan't function.
You know, I can't get out ofbed, I'm not eating, I'm not
sleeping, I can't get to work,their life has changed
significantly, then you probablywouldn't get help for that
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individual.
So sometimes we can predict whenthere's going to be, you know,
what is called a complicatedgrief.
But again, because everybody'sdifferent, you can't know for
sure.
Complicated grief often occurswhen there's a sudden,
unexpected death, or whenthere's like the death of a
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child or a young person, and youknow, we expect more severe
symptoms in those cases.
SPEAKER_02 (20:27):
But what I would say is would it be like acute or
like yes, you know, we would sayacute or chronic, correct?
SPEAKER_03 (20:36):
Exactly.
So it's lasting a long time, andagain, it's you know, because is
it the first couple of days, thefirst couple of weeks, even it's
normal if a person doesn't feellike getting out of bed, but
eventually they do and they eat,you know, but they have that
feeling of not wanting to.
But if they literally don't getout the bed for, you know, let's
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say a week or two after, I don'tthink it would hurt to speak
with a professional just to seeif there's some treatment that
can be offered, because thenyou're not taking care of
yourself, right?
So if you're you're not takingcare of yourself, that's
dangerous, you know.
And unfortunately, people who'vehad losses are very, very
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susceptible to themselves beingsick or you know, having
suicidal thoughts.
So people should keep an eye onfriends and relatives who've
experienced significant lossesbecause they may not say it, but
you may see it that you know,wait a minute, Auntie is not
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okay, or you know, something'sgoing on with Junior.
This is very serious, and youshould, you know, reach out for
help at that point.
This is a good time to remindyour listeners that we now have
a national suicide hotline.
That's 988-988.
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Can be used anywhere in theUnited States, and it's just
988.
Yep, just like we have 911-988.
Oh, okay.
Anywhere to know anywhere in theU.S., you can call that number
and there will be somebody, theyhave multiple languages
available who can speak to aperson in crisis or offer help.
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If you need help, you're worriedabout somebody, you can call
that number and say, Hey, Ithink this loved one of mine may
be suicidal, you know, they justexperience a death or whatever
it is.
You can call that 24 hours aday, 365 days a year.
SPEAKER_02 (22:39):
You can and you call that number and you get to speak
to a therapist, a live person.
SPEAKER_03 (22:45):
You speak to a live person, a live trained
counselor, yes, not an AI, no.
No, I'm so glad you said that.
No AI, Dr.
Alex is not a fan of AI for thepurposes of counseling, and let
me tell you why.
SPEAKER_02 (23:04):
Because I've been hearing things like people are
like using Chat GPT to counselthem, and right, right, yeah,
and Gemini.
Right, it's like what ishappening?
SPEAKER_03 (23:15):
Yeah, so and um young people are particularly
susceptible to this.
But what we know right now isthat these AI algorithms are
designed to keep you engagedwith them, which means that even
if you show red flags, they'renot going to direct you to 988
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or help.
They're gonna try to convinceyou to just keep engaging with
them because they're it's acomputer program, it's not a
human.
It can feel like a human, it cansound like a human, but it's
not.
So I strongly discourage peoplefrom engaging in counseling with
any kind of artificialintelligence at this time.
SPEAKER_02 (24:00):
Okay, okay.
That's good to know, and that'sgood to share.
Can you share some a few healthycoping strategies or habits that
can truly help people begin toheal?
SPEAKER_03 (24:12):
Yeah, absolutely.
Um, one we talked about alreadythat's reaching out to others,
you know, just reaching out totalk, listening to music.
We know that research shows thatthat is therapy, another
universal therapy, music.
Um, absolutely.
And whatever music works foryou, whatever you like.
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Some people may find comfort inlistening to music that their
loved one enjoyed to feel closerto them.
We recommend that you celebratethe life of your loved one.
It's hard, it's hard in thebeginning, but you know, with
the passage of time, rememberingthe gift of that person in your
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life, the positive moments, thememories can be a source of
comfort.
I like when people do things tohonor their loved one, their
deceased loved one, likeplanting trees in their honor or
starting a scholarship in theirname, or something positive so
that their legacy will live on,their name will live on.
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You know, some culturescelebrate All Saints Day and All
Souls Day, and they havecultural traditions where they
remember their dead.
But anything that is meaningfulto you, I think is a good thing,
so long as it feels right toyou.
And the other thing isspirituality, whatever is your
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particular belief system, leaninto it if it's a support to
you.
Lean into your particular beliefsystem.
Many houses of worship offergrief counseling, and I think
that's a good place to start ifyou're looking for support.
I think there is something to besaid about being with other
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people who kind of understandwhat you're feeling.
There are groups, I know somehospices, some hospitals, and
again, houses of worship.
SPEAKER_02 (26:11):
Right, because the way hospics work, they give you
a social worker, a counselor,right, and to help you even deal
with the grief before theinevitable happens.
Right.
And I think they stay on withthe family for six to eight
weeks after the inevitablehappens.
So even hospice is like theybuild in the support.
SPEAKER_03 (26:37):
That's true.
And also, you don't necessarilyhave had to have been affiliated
with that hospice to be able toaccess some of their bereavement
supports.
So you can just call any hospicenear you and ask if they have
open groups that you can join.
Because sometimes it's good to,for example, be in a bereavement
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group with people who've lost asibling, because with other
people who understand what it'slike to lose a sibling or other
people who've lost a spouse or aparent or a child or whatever it
is, just being in community withothers, you know, it's not a
magic bullet, but for somepeople it helps.
And of course, you can alwaysseek your own individual
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counseling for as long as youneed, really.
SPEAKER_02 (27:25):
So, in the event that someone says they lost a
loved one, they don't haveinsurance, they don't have the
financial capability to pay cashfor therapy.
SPEAKER_03 (27:39):
How can they get help?
So, again, there are a lot ofresources now.
I can tell you, if you're onLong Island, there's the Long
Island Crisis Center.
You can call them for referrals.
New York City also has areferral service.
I'm just blanking on the numberright now.
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And the website, I think it'sNYC Well, NYC W E-L-L.
I think they have a website anda phone number and a text
hotline.
These are all sites that prettymuch all local governments run,
where you can call and let themknow, hey, you know, this is
what's going on in my life.
I don't have insurance, but Ireally need a counselor, and
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they can connect you with anorganization that may be able to
support you.
SPEAKER_02 (28:28):
And also, I would like to mention that in your
jobs, like right now, they haveEAP.
I know that's my job would haveEAP, and people don't really tap
into those resources at work.
So EAP, yes, EAP is also aresource that will give you like
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eight sessions of counselingfree of charge.
Yes, yes, just because theydon't want you to have to bear
that alone.
You know, they want you to havea healthy work environment.
Yeah.
So yes.
SPEAKER_03 (29:04):
A lot of people are afraid that their bosses will
find out about what they'rediscussing, but those counselors
have to abide by HIPAA lawsprotecting your privacy.
So, yes, that is a wonderfulresource.
And also a lot of people don'trealize that you can call for
your loved ones oftentimes.
You know, oftentimes it's notjust for you, the employee, but
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let's say it's one of yourchildren who needs that support.
They can have that counselingthrough your company EAP.
And for those of you who maybenever heard of it, just ask your
HR person about hey, do we havean EAP program and see what they
tell you?
SPEAKER_02 (29:44):
And it might be called something different at
your actual establishment, butmost places it's EAP.
SPEAKER_03 (29:51):
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (29:52):
Employee, what is it?
Assistant program.
SPEAKER_03 (29:55):
Yes.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (29:57):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I'm gonna always end with.
This question I asked everybody.
If you could tell someonelistening who's grieving one
thing right now, what would thatbe?
Dr.
SPEAKER_03 (30:09):
McGlossian?
The first thing I would say isI'm so sorry for your loss.
And I know that you may feelextreme pain right now.
But, you know, just like a woundthat you have, you know, like a
burn wound or a gash on yourskin, you know, over time it
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heals.
It takes a long time.
You know, you you have tonurture it and, you know, follow
the doctor's orders and makesure that it doesn't get
infected.
If you take care of that wound,it gets better.
It doesn't mean that you won'talways have that scar though.
And that scar is the memory ofthat loved one.
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But it does get better withtime.
Give yourself grace becauseeverybody's on a different
timeline.
And please don't be afraid toreach out and ask for help if
you need it.
SPEAKER_02 (31:04):
Yep, that's good.
That's definitely encouragingthat you know, highlighting that
you're not alone in this.
And there's others.
And first, you just because youknow when something happened,
the first thing I said work,it's I'm sorry for your loss.
And that was so impactful thatyou said that first.
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I really felt that emotion as ifyou were talking to me, you
know.
Yeah.
So give yourself some grace.
So, can you tell our listenershow to connect with you if they
want to learn more about yourwork and your services for their
children, if they have childrengoing through this process?
SPEAKER_03 (31:48):
So they can find me at www.onmywaycounseling.com.
SPEAKER_02 (31:56):
Okay, that's www.onmywaycounseling.com.
I will also have it at the endof these podcasts, and you can
just click on the link and it'lltake you right to Dr.
McGloshin's information.
So that you know, if there'ssomething personally you want to
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talk to her about, you can doso.
I can recommend her 1000%.
I've known her for a long time,and just as you hear her today,
that's how she always is.
So wow, what a powerful andhealing conversation, Dr.
McGlosh.
And thank you so much forsharing your wisdom, your
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compassion.
We can hear it, we can feel it,and your expertise with us
today.
And to everyone listening, ifyou're walking through grief
right now, please know thatyou're not alone.
Healing doesn't mean forgetting,and it means learning to carry
your love differently.
Yes.
(32:59):
Take your time, give yourselfgrace, and reach out for help
when you need it.
So we're gonna sign off andthank you so much.
Is there anything you'd like toend with, Dr.
McGlossian?
SPEAKER_03 (33:14):
Just want to say thank you for having me.
Thank you for having thisimportant discussion.
SPEAKER_02 (33:18):
Yes, thank you, and have a wonderful evening.
You as well.
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SPEAKER_02 (00:40):
We have a full packed evening for you guys
where we're going to focus onhealing and balance and becoming
whole, mind, body, and soul.
I'm your host, Nurse Jax, andtoday we're going to continue
the series on grief, a topicthat touches every single one of
us, yet often goes unspoken.
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We heard from our first episodeabout the power of regaining
your light in a very dark timesfrom Roseanne.
Joining me today is Dr.
McGloshin, a licensedpsychologist who has helped
countless individuals navigateloss, trauma, and emotional
healing.
Together, we'll explore thepsychology of greed, what's
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really happening inside of us,how to move through it, and how
to support others while they'rehealing in the journey.
So let's take a deep breath,open our hearts, and let's
begin.
So, Dr.
McGloshin, please start bysharing a little bit about
yourself, your journey, and yournew endeavors, and then we'll
jump right into the topic ofgrief.
SPEAKER_03 (01:46):
Okay, good evening, Nurse Hunter.
Thank you so much for having meon your podcast.
My name is Dr.
Alex McGloshan.
I have been practicing in thefield of psychology for going on
25 years now.
I am a school psychologist andas also a clinical psychologist.
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I work predominantly in theschools, but I also have a
private practice where I seeadolescents and also young
adults.
In addition to that, I do workas an adjunct professor, most
recently for Delphi Universityand Pace University, training
graduate students in the fieldof psychology.
(02:30):
It's really a pleasure to behere with you tonight.
SPEAKER_02 (02:33):
Oh, that's great.
So, Dr.
McGloshin, in your work as apsychologist, how do you
personally define grief?
SPEAKER_03 (02:41):
Is it more than just sadness?
Absolutely.
I would say it's more thansadness.
Grief is a universal feeling.
And what I mean by that is thateveryone in the world
experiences similar feelings,but everybody grieves
differently.
So what we have in common thoughis that it is a profound
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sadness.
So it's not just, you know,something that usually will go
away, you know, the next day,or, you know, where you may have
be in a bad mood and then you'rein a better mood.
It's something that's usuallymore long-lasting, more intense,
and feels painful.
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Feels painful in the body andthe mind.
SPEAKER_02 (03:30):
Because, you know, sometimes we feel like grief is
just about crying and it's notthat, is it?
SPEAKER_03 (03:38):
No, not at all.
I remember when I first startedpracticing in the schools and I
was counseling two youngchildren who had lost their
mother.
And one of the, I think it wasthe older sibling, was a girl,
expressed that she was upsetthat her younger brother was not
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crying, you know.
Oh wow.
You're not crying for mommy.
Because she was crying a lot.
And he said, I am crying, I cryon the inside, and I've never
forgotten that.
SPEAKER_02 (04:13):
That's the the male-female version of grief,
right?
So we're more emotional, andguys do on the inside, but that
can hurt us too, right?
SPEAKER_03 (04:24):
Yeah, it can.
And I just want to point outthat it's not necessarily a
gender thing because therecertainly are men who are very
open with their emotions andthey will cry and they will
express how they're feeling, andthere are women who will be the
ones who don't cry and who holdin their emotions.
So I just want to put that outthere.
Okay.
(04:44):
But I think there's a differencebetween being completely cut off
from your feelings and notacknowledging that you're sad
and just not expressing that onthe outside to other people.
You know what I'm saying?
So a person might just be thetype of person who doesn't what
(05:07):
we call emote easily.
You can't just look at them andknow exactly how they're
feeling.
But if you ask them, they cantell you, they might say, I feel
like a boulder has crushed mysoul.
They feel it.
They feel it.
That's so deep.
Right?
They feel it.
And so that's not the same thingas a person who says, Oh no, I'm
(05:30):
I'm I'm I'm perfectly fine.
And they mean it.
And meanwhile, they had a verysignificant loss, right?
Because that would not behealthy and that's not typical
for people to completely, youknow, disregard their feelings.
You know, that would be unusual.
Most often, people expressfeelings of pain.
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How they express it, that candepend on the personality, on
culture, on particular family.
In some families, it's okay to,you know, express yourself, it's
okay to yell and scream.
And in other families, that'snot really considered acceptable
behavior.
And so sometimes people learn toexpress their feelings in a
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certain way.
And that's okay.
SPEAKER_02 (06:18):
So when you talk about culture, that's definitely
a touchy subject, right?
Because in the African-Americanculture, especially the
Caribbean culture in ourcommunity, so what have you seen
in our community how griefaffects us?
SPEAKER_03 (06:35):
Well, I think that we as a whole, as people of
African descent, we tend toexpress grief out loud in
general.
You mean like falling over thecasket?
You know, yeah, our with ourwhole bodies sometimes, yes.
unknown (06:51):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (06:52):
You know, but uh again, that's not everybody.
That's not a good thing.
No, it's not everybody, youknow, but it wouldn't be unusual
to walk into a funeral of anyfamily of African descent,
whether you're from theCaribbean, whether from your
south, whether from you know,you're from Harlem, whether
you're from Nigeria, whetheryou're from wherever, and see
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somebody having that kind ofreaction, shaking, you know,
crying, throwing the arms up.
So that's just, you know, aculturally acceptable way of
grieving.
There is a connection with ourspirituality and how we express
our spirituality with how wegrieve.
(07:37):
You know, those of us who areraised in a more quiet spiritual
tradition, like say Catholicism,maybe a little bit more quiet,
quote unquote, with theirgrieving than if you were raised
in, say, a Pentecostaltradition.
Correct.
Or a traditional, you know,indigenous religion.
(07:58):
But what I really want to stressis it is important that we don't
judge others and we don't judgeourselves about how we grieve.
Right.
You know.
SPEAKER_02 (08:11):
So a lot of people associate grief with only death,
right?
That's when I grieve because I'msomeone died, right?
What are some other forms ofgrief you've seen and you know
that people might not evenrecognize?
Sure, that's a good question.
SPEAKER_03 (08:28):
And yes, you're right.
Grief is really loss.
So it's not always the death ofa person or a loved one, but it
could be, for example, adivorce.
That's a form of loss.
And people who go throughdivorce describe it as a
grieving process, a loss of therelationship or the expectation
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that one had for their marriage.
Grief can also be some kind ofchange in job, a termination
from work.
During COVID, many of usexperienced loss of our everyday
life, of the way things used tobe.
Right.
That was tough.
That was tough, you know.
(09:12):
Many people talked about thebefore.
I miss the before.
I miss being outside.
And then you get outside like, Ijust want to come inside.
SPEAKER_02 (09:22):
I just want to come inside.
SPEAKER_03 (09:23):
Yeah, well, now we're we're back to you know,
yeah, we're back outside, butwhen we lost the ability to
socialize with one another andto be together, and you know, we
felt it as a loss, and peoplewere in various stages of
grieving because of it.
SPEAKER_02 (09:42):
You talk about stages.
So, what are the differentstages of grieving?
SPEAKER_03 (09:46):
So it's interesting to ask that question.
So there are, you know,traditionally the stages that we
all learn about, you know,shock, anger, and disbelief, you
know, and acceptance.
But there are researchers whonow question that model and say,
(10:06):
Oh, okay.
It's not some of those features,yes, we do experience them, but
it is not true necessarily thatyou have to go through this
particular order and experiencethis, and then you experience
that, and then you experiencethis, and then now you have
closure, and now you're allbetter.
And now you're acceptance, andyou're all better, right?
(10:28):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (10:29):
I don't know if you ever really get better.
Like I don't right, right.
I think you just continue toexist with the grief.
SPEAKER_03 (10:37):
Learning to live with the loss, you know,
learning to live with the loss.
And you know, what we know nowis that it's better to focus on
helping people make it, youknow, helping people get through
life without the physicalpresence of this person that
they cared so deeply about.
(10:59):
So, you know, we talk abouthelping the person to accept
their feelings about the death,right?
As opposed to accept the death,because that's a really hard
thing to ask a person to do, toaccept the death, but accept
your feelings about it.
SPEAKER_02 (11:17):
Can you go a little deeper into that?
Because that's very interesting.
Accepting your feelings aboutit.
SPEAKER_03 (11:24):
Right.
So I think that you know,culturally, it is universally
expected that the predominantfeeling is going to be sadness.
And yes, there's sadness, butthere's not just sadness,
sometimes there's anger,sometimes there's intense anger,
and that anger can be directedat the person who is deceased.
(11:48):
Like, you know, why'd you leaveme?
Or why didn't you take care ofyourself better, or why weren't
you more careful, or why didn'tyou know, these are the kind of
feelings that one might feel arenot valid, not fair, not
rational, but you might feelthem, right?
And it's important to accept itif that's what you feel, and
(12:10):
talk about it and process it andlet it out.
You know, it could be overwhelmand exhaustion could be the
predominant feeling, like thisis too much.
You know, one of the things thatwe don't really talk about, but
when a person who is a veryclose loved one passes away,
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there's a lot that goes withthat from planning the final
arrangements, dealing with youknow the paperwork of all of the
the loved one's assets.
Maybe there were things thatthat person took care of, and
now you have to take care of it.
SPEAKER_02 (12:49):
And so apparently that's huge, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (12:52):
So, you know, that all of them are.
SPEAKER_02 (12:54):
Like now you left me with all this stuff, yeah,
especially with the wife andhusband situation, and like the
husband normally the one to takecare of all this stuff, and then
now where am I gonna find likehow do I go through life now?
Now I gotta figure out yourstuff.
(13:14):
And yesterday, you know, when Iinterviewed Roseanne, she was
like, Yeah, and they have todealt with the estates, right,
and the business, and peopledon't talk about those things,
like that's work, absolutely,it's a lot, you know.
SPEAKER_03 (13:30):
So there are a lot of feelings that you might have,
and again, it's important thatyou not judge yourself and give
yourself grace, you know, and soit comes, it always comes back
to yourself because now you haveto take care of you in this
process, right?
(13:51):
Yes, okay.
And that brings me to animportant point.
I think one of the mostimportant things most therapists
will tell you is to reach out toothers, to loved ones, family
members, friends, and let themknow that you need help.
Don't don't try to go it alone,don't try to be superwoman,
(14:12):
don't do that, or superman,don't do that.
Yeah, it's too much.
It's too much.
It's too much, you know.
And the thing is, as humans, weall are going to experience loss
in our lives.
So I help you today, you help metomorrow.
(14:33):
We have to help each other.
And I think too many times,especially in the black
community, too many times wefeel like I have to do this, I
have to do this.
SPEAKER_02 (14:45):
I gotta get through this myself.
I just don't understand.
SPEAKER_03 (14:48):
Yeah, by myself, you know, and the thing is we're
we're human beings, we're notrobots, and sometimes it's okay
to take the time to grieve, torest, to be with other loved
ones that bring you comfort andother friends, and ask somebody
else to do the heavy lifting foryou or with you to support you.
SPEAKER_02 (15:13):
Oh, okay.
So you've worked with so manypeople in different stages of
loss, right?
So, what have you learned abouthow grief shows up differently
for everyone?
SPEAKER_03 (15:26):
Well, I mean, you know, like I said, every
individual is different.
I think that what I will say isit does seem to be harder when
it's like a head of household.
And let's say, like, there's aloss of a spouse, and then there
are children.
What I find is in those cases,the surviving spouse often feels
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the need to protect the childrenfrom the pain.
And in doing that, they willhide you know their feelings or
hide their suffering.
Yeah, you know, is that a goodor a bad thing to do?
Huh.
So, I mean, I think it's not thebest thing to do because working
(16:15):
with children for many years,one thing I always tell the
grown-ups in their lives isthey're paying attention and
they know that you're sad.
So don't tell them you're okayif you're not, because they
know, you know, and they need toknow that you know you're sad.
What you can say is, I'm very,very sad right now, but I'm
(16:38):
gonna be okay, and you're gonnabe okay.
But it's okay to let them know.
I think it's important to behonest and speak to them at a
level that they will understandbased on their age.
And, you know, there are booksfor children about grieving.
I recommend parents, they shouldlook into those books.
Most school counselors andschool social workers and
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psychologists would have them ifyou ask, or you can just do a
quick Google search just to helpyou have the language for it.
But I think that's somethingthat I witness a lot, and also
kind of a frequent mistake thatI see is people will say, Oh,
well, the kids are fine.
Oh, they're okay.
They cried at the funeral, butlook, they're playing, they're
(17:20):
fine.
No, they're not.
SPEAKER_01 (17:24):
They're not, they're not because you're not, you're
not fine, so yeah, how couldthey be fine?
SPEAKER_03 (17:30):
They are children, so they show it differently, you
know, but they still feel theloss.
That's one, and two, childrenwill sometimes pretend in front
of the grieving adult to be okaybecause they're believe it or
not, trying to protect thatperson, you know.
(17:50):
Like mommy's already sad, so Idon't want her to know how much
I'm sad or how much everybody isprotecting each other,
everyone's protecting eachother.
SPEAKER_02 (18:03):
Everyone is protecting each other and
actually facing it and dealingwith it and going past it.
SPEAKER_03 (18:10):
Right, right.
I see that a lot.
Interesting, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:14):
Yeah, because you know, you want to like when my
dad passed, I was trying toprotect my mom.
She has like, I haven't seen hercry, I haven't seen her, so
she's probably trying to protectme.
SPEAKER_03 (18:27):
Yeah, you know, it's just like and we're all in
shambles, yeah.
So you're crying probably.
I was like, I'm gonna be strongfor my daughter.
But I mean, you know, Idefinitely understand the
intention, you know.
But what I want to say is thatyou don't have to do that, you
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can be there for each other andstill grieve outwardly and let
it out together and mourntogether and get through it, you
know.
SPEAKER_02 (19:00):
So when does grief become something more serious,
like complicated or depression?
Yes, or how can someone knowlike when to seek help?
SPEAKER_03 (19:11):
Generally speaking, there's no actual time period
where you say, Okay, you'redone, right?
But in general, after about ayear or two, if a person is
still expressing significantfeelings of depression and
sadness, it may be a good ideato seek a mental health
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practitioner.
Also, if in their earlierstages, so let's say four or
five months in, the person justcan't function.
You know, I can't get out ofbed, I'm not eating, I'm not
sleeping, I can't get to work,their life has changed
significantly, then you probablywouldn't get help for that
(19:59):
individual.
So sometimes we can predict whenthere's going to be, you know,
what is called a complicatedgrief.
But again, because everybody'sdifferent, you can't know for
sure.
Complicated grief often occurswhen there's a sudden,
unexpected death, or whenthere's like the death of a
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child or a young person, and youknow, we expect more severe
symptoms in those cases.
SPEAKER_02 (20:27):
But what I would say is would it be like acute or
like yes, you know, we would sayacute or chronic, correct?
SPEAKER_03 (20:36):
Exactly.
So it's lasting a long time, andagain, it's you know, because is
it the first couple of days, thefirst couple of weeks, even it's
normal if a person doesn't feellike getting out of bed, but
eventually they do and they eat,you know, but they have that
feeling of not wanting to.
But if they literally don't getout the bed for, you know, let's
(20:59):
say a week or two after, I don'tthink it would hurt to speak
with a professional just to seeif there's some treatment that
can be offered, because thenyou're not taking care of
yourself, right?
So if you're you're not takingcare of yourself, that's
dangerous, you know.
And unfortunately, people who'vehad losses are very, very
(21:20):
susceptible to themselves beingsick or you know, having
suicidal thoughts.
So people should keep an eye onfriends and relatives who've
experienced significant lossesbecause they may not say it, but
you may see it that you know,wait a minute, Auntie is not
(21:41):
okay, or you know, something'sgoing on with Junior.
This is very serious, and youshould, you know, reach out for
help at that point.
This is a good time to remindyour listeners that we now have
a national suicide hotline.
That's 988-988.
(22:02):
Can be used anywhere in theUnited States, and it's just
988.
Yep, just like we have 911-988.
Oh, okay.
Anywhere to know anywhere in theU.S., you can call that number
and there will be somebody, theyhave multiple languages
available who can speak to aperson in crisis or offer help.
(22:23):
If you need help, you're worriedabout somebody, you can call
that number and say, Hey, Ithink this loved one of mine may
be suicidal, you know, they justexperience a death or whatever
it is.
You can call that 24 hours aday, 365 days a year.
SPEAKER_02 (22:39):
You can and you call that number and you get to speak
to a therapist, a live person.
SPEAKER_03 (22:45):
You speak to a live person, a live trained
counselor, yes, not an AI, no.
No, I'm so glad you said that.
No AI, Dr.
Alex is not a fan of AI for thepurposes of counseling, and let
me tell you why.
SPEAKER_02 (23:04):
Because I've been hearing things like people are
like using Chat GPT to counselthem, and right, right, yeah,
and Gemini.
Right, it's like what ishappening?
SPEAKER_03 (23:15):
Yeah, so and um young people are particularly
susceptible to this.
But what we know right now isthat these AI algorithms are
designed to keep you engagedwith them, which means that even
if you show red flags, they'renot going to direct you to 988
(23:37):
or help.
They're gonna try to convinceyou to just keep engaging with
them because they're it's acomputer program, it's not a
human.
It can feel like a human, it cansound like a human, but it's
not.
So I strongly discourage peoplefrom engaging in counseling with
any kind of artificialintelligence at this time.
SPEAKER_02 (24:00):
Okay, okay.
That's good to know, and that'sgood to share.
Can you share some a few healthycoping strategies or habits that
can truly help people begin toheal?
SPEAKER_03 (24:12):
Yeah, absolutely.
Um, one we talked about alreadythat's reaching out to others,
you know, just reaching out totalk, listening to music.
We know that research shows thatthat is therapy, another
universal therapy, music.
Um, absolutely.
And whatever music works foryou, whatever you like.
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Some people may find comfort inlistening to music that their
loved one enjoyed to feel closerto them.
We recommend that you celebratethe life of your loved one.
It's hard, it's hard in thebeginning, but you know, with
the passage of time, rememberingthe gift of that person in your
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life, the positive moments, thememories can be a source of
comfort.
I like when people do things tohonor their loved one, their
deceased loved one, likeplanting trees in their honor or
starting a scholarship in theirname, or something positive so
that their legacy will live on,their name will live on.
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You know, some culturescelebrate All Saints Day and All
Souls Day, and they havecultural traditions where they
remember their dead.
But anything that is meaningfulto you, I think is a good thing,
so long as it feels right toyou.
And the other thing isspirituality, whatever is your
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particular belief system, leaninto it if it's a support to
you.
Lean into your particular beliefsystem.
Many houses of worship offergrief counseling, and I think
that's a good place to start ifyou're looking for support.
I think there is something to besaid about being with other
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people who kind of understandwhat you're feeling.
There are groups, I know somehospices, some hospitals, and
again, houses of worship.
SPEAKER_02 (26:11):
Right, because the way hospics work, they give you
a social worker, a counselor,right, and to help you even deal
with the grief before theinevitable happens.
Right.
And I think they stay on withthe family for six to eight
weeks after the inevitablehappens.
So even hospice is like theybuild in the support.
SPEAKER_03 (26:37):
That's true.
And also, you don't necessarilyhave had to have been affiliated
with that hospice to be able toaccess some of their bereavement
supports.
So you can just call any hospicenear you and ask if they have
open groups that you can join.
Because sometimes it's good to,for example, be in a bereavement
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group with people who've lost asibling, because with other
people who understand what it'slike to lose a sibling or other
people who've lost a spouse or aparent or a child or whatever it
is, just being in community withothers, you know, it's not a
magic bullet, but for somepeople it helps.
And of course, you can alwaysseek your own individual
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counseling for as long as youneed, really.
SPEAKER_02 (27:25):
So, in the event that someone says they lost a
loved one, they don't haveinsurance, they don't have the
financial capability to pay cashfor therapy.
SPEAKER_03 (27:39):
How can they get help?
So, again, there are a lot ofresources now.
I can tell you, if you're onLong Island, there's the Long
Island Crisis Center.
You can call them for referrals.
New York City also has areferral service.
I'm just blanking on the numberright now.
(28:01):
And the website, I think it'sNYC Well, NYC W E-L-L.
I think they have a website anda phone number and a text
hotline.
These are all sites that prettymuch all local governments run,
where you can call and let themknow, hey, you know, this is
what's going on in my life.
I don't have insurance, but Ireally need a counselor, and
(28:23):
they can connect you with anorganization that may be able to
support you.
SPEAKER_02 (28:28):
And also, I would like to mention that in your
jobs, like right now, they haveEAP.
I know that's my job would haveEAP, and people don't really tap
into those resources at work.
So EAP, yes, EAP is also aresource that will give you like
(28:49):
eight sessions of counselingfree of charge.
Yes, yes, just because theydon't want you to have to bear
that alone.
You know, they want you to havea healthy work environment.
Yeah.
So yes.
SPEAKER_03 (29:04):
A lot of people are afraid that their bosses will
find out about what they'rediscussing, but those counselors
have to abide by HIPAA lawsprotecting your privacy.
So, yes, that is a wonderfulresource.
And also a lot of people don'trealize that you can call for
your loved ones oftentimes.
You know, oftentimes it's notjust for you, the employee, but
(29:27):
let's say it's one of yourchildren who needs that support.
They can have that counselingthrough your company EAP.
And for those of you who maybenever heard of it, just ask your
HR person about hey, do we havean EAP program and see what they
tell you?
SPEAKER_02 (29:44):
And it might be called something different at
your actual establishment, butmost places it's EAP.
SPEAKER_03 (29:51):
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (29:52):
Employee, what is it?
Assistant program.
SPEAKER_03 (29:55):
Yes.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (29:57):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I'm gonna always end with.
This question I asked everybody.
If you could tell someonelistening who's grieving one
thing right now, what would thatbe?
Dr.
SPEAKER_03 (30:09):
McGlossian?
The first thing I would say isI'm so sorry for your loss.
And I know that you may feelextreme pain right now.
But, you know, just like a woundthat you have, you know, like a
burn wound or a gash on yourskin, you know, over time it
(30:32):
heals.
It takes a long time.
You know, you you have tonurture it and, you know, follow
the doctor's orders and makesure that it doesn't get
infected.
If you take care of that wound,it gets better.
It doesn't mean that you won'talways have that scar though.
And that scar is the memory ofthat loved one.
(30:52):
But it does get better withtime.
Give yourself grace becauseeverybody's on a different
timeline.
And please don't be afraid toreach out and ask for help if
you need it.
SPEAKER_02 (31:04):
Yep, that's good.
That's definitely encouragingthat you know, highlighting that
you're not alone in this.
And there's others.
And first, you just because youknow when something happened,
the first thing I said work,it's I'm sorry for your loss.
And that was so impactful thatyou said that first.
(31:25):
I really felt that emotion as ifyou were talking to me, you
know.
Yeah.
So give yourself some grace.
So, can you tell our listenershow to connect with you if they
want to learn more about yourwork and your services for their
children, if they have childrengoing through this process?
SPEAKER_03 (31:48):
So they can find me at www.onmywaycounseling.com.
SPEAKER_02 (31:56):
Okay, that's www.onmywaycounseling.com.
I will also have it at the endof these podcasts, and you can
just click on the link and it'lltake you right to Dr.
McGloshin's information.
So that you know, if there'ssomething personally you want to
(32:18):
talk to her about, you can doso.
I can recommend her 1000%.
I've known her for a long time,and just as you hear her today,
that's how she always is.
So wow, what a powerful andhealing conversation, Dr.
McGlosh.
And thank you so much forsharing your wisdom, your
(32:39):
compassion.
We can hear it, we can feel it,and your expertise with us
today.
And to everyone listening, ifyou're walking through grief
right now, please know thatyou're not alone.
Healing doesn't mean forgetting,and it means learning to carry
your love differently.
Yes.
(32:59):
Take your time, give yourselfgrace, and reach out for help
when you need it.
So we're gonna sign off andthank you so much.
Is there anything you'd like toend with, Dr.
McGlossian?
SPEAKER_03 (33:14):
Just want to say thank you for having me.
Thank you for having thisimportant discussion.
SPEAKER_02 (33:18):
Yes, thank you, and have a wonderful evening.
You as well.
SPEAKER_00 (33:25):
Thanks for tuning in with Nurse Jax at Not Just the
Nurse Podcast.
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