Getting Raw, Ripped, Rich, and Rare with Cody Sperber - 095 - Not Most People

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Hey, everyone.
Welcome back to another episodeof the, not most people podcast.
This is your host Bradley, andthis is the show for those
allergic to mediocrity group.
Think and following the statusquo.
And this episode.
Is a little bit different.
This is one of our few liverecordings that we've had.
There's a event series.
That we've put on with that.

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Most people call dot most peoplelive, which includes a live
podcast in front of a liveaudience.
And this is the third renditionof that.
They've been awesome each time.
If you have listened to.
Either episodes with PrincetonClark or with Carlos Rayez,
those were both live.
So it will have a slightlydifferent kind of feel to it.

(01:13):
You may hear some.
Audience in the background,maybe some laughing particularly
for this one.
And, uh, uh, came out reallyawesome.
It was one of the most valuepacked podcasts.
Of all time.
I know I say that a lot withthis show, but this one was
truly special.
Everyone in the room.
Was deeply impacted by it in oneway or another.

(01:35):
And also a thoroughlyentertained, I would say.
Hands down.
This is the funniest.
Episode of the, not most peoplepodcast to date.
you will laugh throughout it.
quite a bit.
And I wouldn't say it's allpolitically correct necessarily.
So just a forewarning or maybesome.

(01:57):
Language or, uh, you know, He'sCody's very tactful boat blunt
says what he needs to say inthis episode.
So just to kind of set thatstage for you.
if you're not familiar withCody, Sperber, he is.
Known also as the cleverinvestor.
Uh, you just got a real big.
History in real estate, reallylarge following kind of a

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pioneer in the space and inpersonal development.
And,, you know, has a, has amassive following.
I think the 1.1 or 1.2 millionon Instagram, and he can go
check out his stuff there, but.
This is an episode that just.
When so many differentdirections, it was like I said,
very funny, but also got veryreal, very raw, very deep.

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in ways that are going to impactyou listening.
So.
Man that is it.
Another thing that I'd like tomention, uh, depending on when
you're listening to this, wehave the, not most people summit
coming up.
The first event of its kind ofat scale.
Uh, definitely worth checkingout.
That'll be in the show notes andI'll also be doing a.

(02:59):
Episode, just specifically onthat event and kind of breaking
that down, what that's going tolook like and who it's for and
all that good stuff.
So.
That is it guys again, if youenjoy this episode or any other
episode, I just ask that you dome a huge favor.
And that is that you simplyshare it with a friend shared on

(03:19):
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I put a lot of time, energy andmoney into the show and I don't
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I don't monetize directly.
And so I just asked that.
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You know, do the same.
Pay it forward by sharing it andhelping me grow the show.
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Hopefully.
You get a lot of value out ofit.
If you don't get value out ofit, don't share it.
But, that's it really, otherthan that, we got a lot of stuff
going on and most people, andyou can find all the information
for that stuff in the shownotes, but Without further ado,
here's a special live recording.

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Of the novels people podcastwith special guests, Cody
Sperber enjoy.
All right, man.
Look at this.
Yeah, we got a set up here.
We do.
Now I'm back in my elementbehind the podcast.
Mike, this is, uh, this is whereI'm at home, if you guys
couldn't tell, but dude, thisis, uh, this is kind of crazy
because, I dunno if you knowthis, but of course you wouldn't

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know this, but you, your course,one of your courses on
wholesaling was the first onlinecourse I ever bought.
Me and my wife, uh, went throughmost of it, didn't really apply,
all of it.
you know, wasn't, wasn't readyat the time she went, but I went
through the whole thing shit.
Sure you did.
Uh, No, but it's funny becausewhen we discovered that, it was

(04:51):
also like one of the first kindof like when I talked about not
most people and how it came tobe, and I started learning from
these successful people andeverything they told me was.
Different than what I learned mywhole life.
You were kind of one of thefirst people that we started
following.
This was when we were back inConnecticut like six, seven
years ago.
So it's just kind of wild to behere today.
Um, well, I'm proud of it'shappening, man.
Yeah, thank you.
That's huge.

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Thank you.
You know, regardless if you wentthrough it initially, did you
ever end up doing any realestate deals with, or we didn't.
You didn't.
We, we dabbled, you know, wewent to, uh, clever Summit back
in 2019.
Mm-hmm.
um, and that sort of thing.
And, you know, she was full-timenursing and I was kind of
working on some other projects,but, uh, you know, we were, we

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were intrigued, but we neverreally got too far into it, but,
well, I was gonna say I wasproud of you, but I take it
back.
I know, I'm being honesttogether, Bradley, we're like,
yeah, I wholesaled like 10deals.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No.
So, one thing I wanna ask youabout briefly is your story.
And I know it's hard to condenseand kind of hit the highlight
highlights, but um, I know itfairly well.

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I know you kind of startedliterally from scratch, right?
Mm-hmm.
no mentors, no.
um, no savings, no like kind ofanything.
Right.
So what was that and like withthat?
I know you've been super drivensince you got into real estate,
but were you, were you superdetermined and driven, like
before you got into it and youwere just looking for that

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thing?
Or was it like you kind of likecaught the scent of what you
could do with that and thenthings took off from there?
Yeah, so, um, let me start withthe end real fast of the story,
just cuz I think that gives somecontext.
Um, uh, now I'm at a point whereI've done thousands and
thousands of deal.
I don't even know how manymm-hmm.
um, own an awesome developmentcompany called Green Elvin
Development.

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I'm partners with my two bestfriends, Brian and Garrett.
We've been best friends for over15 years.
Um, I got 26 houses going upright now, all two to$3 million.
I got over 50 luxury Airbnbs,uh, tons of multi-family, tons
of shitty little houses all.
Can I cuss on this?
Oh yeah.
How real can I get Bradley?
Dude, I want you real.
What person?
I want a Cody Spur.
Do you want tonight?

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You want, do you want.
At the podium in front of like,uh, professional people.
Cody Sperber.
Or you want Real rock?
Well, like, let's real, likehow, how, how hard can we go?
You want real talk?
I mean, Carlos went full realtalk, so you gotta you got some
competition from the last one,you know, coming.
Oh, oh shit.
Hey.
Yeah.
Um, uh, okay.
Yeah.

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And so, uh, you know, I've beenblessed.
The real estate thing haschanged my life.
Um, building a brand has changedmy life.
Uh, scaled that company, uh,done every type of deal under
the sun, parlayed it into tonsof other companies.
I verticalized the business.
I own a title company, a datacompany, a software company,

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like all the good stuff.
Cause I asked myself thequestion like, who's making
money off of my transactions?
And I think a savvy entrepreneurtakes a look at, at, at their,
at their main transaction andtries to figure out what are all
the peripheral things thatpeople are making money on?
And just.
see if any of that fits themodel.
Kinda like what Apple did, justverticalize everything.

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Mm-hmm.
And so that's the end, right?
Own an education company.
You know, me from CleverInvestor in education business,
I fell in love with real estate.
Uh, n n But if I go back as akid, moved maybe 10 times.
By the time I was in sixthgrade, my parents almost

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divorced like seven times.
Uh, all the stuff that you wouldexpect in a very low income
household.
Uh, great childhood though Inever, if you would've asked me
how was your childhood, I saidit was a good childhood.
Mm-hmm.
My, my mom passed away lastyear, unfortunately from cancer.
And, uh, it was rough to gothrough that process, but when I

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think back, she was a great momand I had a great childhood, but
it co you know, like all people,we have our demons that we grow
up with and, uh, mom wasbisexual.
Uh, dad cheated on mom with thesecretary.
I walked in on them banging onthe stairs, um, never having any

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money.
My grandparents werePentecostal, real hardcore cri,
you know, Pentecostal spoke intongues and rolled their eyes
back and flopped on the groundand handled snakes and weird
shit.
cornered me when I was 10 yearsold and said I was gonna lead a
big flock someday.
They were right in some weirdway, but, uh, you know, I hated
religion because of it.
Grew up, you know, rebellingagainst it.

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Um, started smoking weed in theseventh grade, started selling
it shortly thereafter.
Quickly graduated to mushroomsand acid, uh, was a horrible
drug dealer.
I did all the drugs and I gaveit all away which, uh, I just
like to, I guess I just like toparty and have a good time.
Mm-hmm.
But I was always had a hustlerspirit.
Um, before I you know, before Iwas selling drugs, I, I went to

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my dad one time and I said, youknow, I wanna get this new
electric scooter.
They just came out and he said,what do you think I'm made of
money?
All the things that broke dadssay right on accident to their
kids to give'em a shittyrelationship with money.
Mm-hmm.
what is money, growing treesaround here, all that stuff.
And I, I said, I don't know man,you're my dad.
Like, where else am I gonna goto get money?

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And he's like, but he did apower move, which I thought was
brilliant.
He goes, I'm not gonna give youany money, but I will give you a
loan.
Figure out a way to come up witha way to create some money and
I'll try to help you.
And so I started selling candy.
That was my big business idea.
So I always had that hustlerambition.
At what age?
Uh, I was probably.

(10:26):
12.
Mm-hmm.
something like 11 or 12.
Mm-hmm.
Um, right around that time, Ialso, I, I got a taste of making
a little bit of money and so,uh, I got my first job, a legal
job, washing dishes.
I was a really little guy.
Um, I didn't even, uh, gothrough puberty until like,
almost the end of high school.
So I was a great friend for allthe pretty girls and, and

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that's, and I honed my skillsbeing funny then.
Mm-hmm.
you know, never got laid, but Iwas fucking hilarious, And, uh,
uh, uh, I just, uh, I wanted tomake money and, uh, I, this guy
was standing out in thisalleyway smoking a cigarette,
and I said, what do you do here?
And he said, we are an Italianrestaurant.

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I said, can I make any money atthis Italian restaurant?
You need any help?
And he.
You, I need help washing dishes.
You wanna wash dishes?
I'll pay you under the table.
I said, fuck yeah, let's go.
I was so little.
He used to pick me up and put mein the sauce pots and I would
scrub'em from the insides truestory, Uhhuh And he would pay me
under the table and I'd, I'd,you know, buy candy and
eventually weed and, uh, butanyway, yeah.

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So I Natural progression.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I had the hustler spirit, butI was never ambitious enough to
do much with it.
I only did enough to solvewhatever my immediate problem
was.
But I never had clarity.
I never had a path, I never hadvision, no mentorship, no
successful people around me.
My dad was the most successfulperson around me, and he got
fired every two years.

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And so, you know, you, you go,I, I, I went to college for
maybe three hours.
Um, uh, walked to the biologyclass.
I think I put my shit down,picked it all back up and left.
That was about it.
And, uh, never went back.
I couldn't get outta there fastenough.

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Like I was so uncomfortable.
Like I just knew I wasn't, Iwasn't ready for that.
And I didn't know what I wantedto do.
And I went back to my dad, who'smy conse, and I said, what
should I do?
And he said, start a business orgo in the military.
And so next thing you know, himin San Diego, in the Navy.
And, uh, best move I ever made.

(12:33):
Why did you choose that insteadof starting business?
Well, at the time I was gettingready to join the military, I
was actually, um, I just gotcharged, uh, with a potential
felony for shooting an old manoff a ladder with a paintball
gun.
And, uh, It was kind of a goodmove cuz the, they dropped the
case because of it.
Okay.
And, uh, my other two friendsthat I was with, I was trying to

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sell my pants.
I was expecting, I was trying tosell my paintball gun and we,
they're like, well, let's drivearound and see if it works.
And next thing you know, we'reshooting people as we're driving
down the street.
uh, I was more of the, the guyegging'em on from the backseat
more so than the shooter.
But they balled us all up.
One, one big felony.
And they both guys went tojuvenile hall.
I went to the military mm-hmm.

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And, uh, so I'm, I'mdisconnected from that toxic
environment.
Um, the year before, um, therewas this bully in, and I grew up
in east, in, in Mesa, like inheavily Hispanic na
neighborhood.
Um, a lot of the people looklike Carlos in that
neighborhood, you know?
Yep.
And, uh, there was a gangleader.

(13:40):
and he picked on everybody andhe picked on me pretty bad,
stole all my CDs, just pushed mearound.
We also picked on this other kidnamed Matt.
Well, Matt had enough.
He went and stole his grandpa'sgun and blew Derek's head off in
front of all of us.
And all of this was happening atthat one moment in my life.
And next thing you know, I'mjoining the military and getting

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disconnected from that.
And it was the best thing thatever happened to me.
Uh, looking back now, I'm, I'mjust so grateful for that
choice.
Not only did I man up in themilitary, I lost a ton of
weight.
I finally went through fuckingpuberty, I'm stationed in San
Diego.
My ship's not built yet.
They were like, I'm like, whatdo you want me to do?
Until the ship's built and.

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we don't care.
Just chill here and we'll letyou know.
And mm-hmm.
So next thing you know, I'mraging in Tijuana, banging
chicks in Tijuana.
Like ladies night, everyWednesday was great.
And, uh, we're just having agreat time, you know, and, uh,
and, but they were forcing me towork out.
They were forcing me to shine myshoes, make my bed care about
details.
Uh, I got used to that structureand, and caring for the first

(14:47):
time in my life, I cared.
Mm-hmm.
And I came through the militaryand the next thing you know, I'm
getting discharged and theypunch a hole in your car.
And it's, I'm envision it's alot like getting outta prison.
You have all this structure andall this comradery and then all
a sudden there's nothing out inthe wild and you're by yourself
and you feel so much anxiety andfear.
And I'm like, fuck, what am Igonna do with my life?

(15:08):
I still didn't know.
And, uh, I went and, uh, to SanDiego State, and I went and
talked to the history professorsand I said, you know, since I
was a little kid, I wanted to bea teacher.
What's your life like as ateacher?
And I left that meetingthinking, fuck that.
I'm never gonna be a teacherbecause one, they told me they

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had two jobs and they weren'tmaking any money.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm like, that soundshorrible.
And two, they were all like,libtard.
And I'm like, what the fuck isthis a socialist world?
Like, where are we right now?
Like, where's the, like let's gofucking dominate and kick ass
energy.
It was like just a bunch ofcommunists.
And I'm like, all right, I'm notdoing this.

(15:50):
And uh, and uh, so I, I go backto my dad, who's my cons, and I
said, dad, what should I do?
And he goes, I don't know, but Iwish I would've learned more
about finance and accountingbecause that, that's the
language of business.
And if you're gonna make money,like you say you wanna make
money, you gotta learn that.
So next thing you know, I'mgoing to WP Carey School of
Business to get a degree infinance.

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I got DS in school.
Mm-hmm.
my whole entire childhood.
For some reason I made themental decision to, I wanted to
get straight A's in college.
And it just goes to show you, itdoesn't matter where you grow up
or what your background is orwhether you're book smarts or
not book smarts.
I was never book smart.
You apply yourself to anything,you can accomplish anything.

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And I got straight fucking a'sfour years in a row at college
for no other reason than Iwanted to do it.
While I was going to college, myfriend Jeremy flipped a house.
I had always thought of realestate a certain way, right?
Mm-hmm.
rich people do real estate,right?
And real estate agents do realestate.
And, uh, he flipped a house andhe was going to school to be a,

(16:58):
a computer, um, like aprogrammer.
Yep.
And uh, I'm like, how did hepulls up in his brand new
Mercedes?
I said, how'd you get the newcar?
I flipped a house and made 80grand.
I said, you're full of shit.
Next thing you know, we'retalking at lunch.
He's penciling wholesaling outon a napkin.
I had never heard of it beforeand it changed.
That lunch meeting changed mylife.

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And next thing you know, I'mgoing down this rabbit hole 18,
19 years ago on how to learn howto wholesale.
Mm-hmm.
And you look back and it's likejust a bunch of pivotal moments.
I call'em like pivotal momentsand recalibrations, you never
know in life, as you look backyou see'em.
But like in the moment, I didn'tknow that I was gonna go be a
successful real estate investor.

(17:39):
I just thought, fuck, this islike a lot like selling drugs.
I buy low, I sell high, I makecash, I move fast.
Right.
And that, and, and I liked itcuz there was very low barriers
to entry.
You know, a guy like me can goout there and hustle hard and,
and do it.
What I didn't understand is whenyou get first get into this real
estate business, uh, it's a lotlike drinking from a fire hose.

(18:03):
Mm-hmm.
like when I took your course.
Yep.
Drinking from a fight.
Well, I do that on purpose causeI wanna sell you mentorship you
know?
Yep.
I blast you, I blast you withall the big words.
I didn't understand all theupsides.
Come on man.
Just look.
And, and a fast action bonus isalways a call with my business
development consultant, youknow, cuz we're gonna get you
into mentorship one way oranother.

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But, um, you know, it was justone of those things where it was
like, I, I, I, I overwhelmedmyself real fast.
I bought too many courses.
I talked to too many people.
I was, I went to too many eventsand, uh, my mentor told me
something much later on when Ieventually got a mentor, um,
that I think it's every personlistening to this that can

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relate to trying something newand feeling that overwhelming
anxiety is, uh, you gotta, inthe beginning, you're gonna say
yes to a lot of things.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and that's okay.
But the real power is in sayingno.
Because yes, we'll get you outtaEgypt, but no, we'll take you to
the promised land.

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And once I was kind of, I gotoverwhelmed, uh, four, nine
months in, I still hadn't done adeal.
And it was kind of brutal.
Yeah.
Because I talked a lot of shitto everybody.
I was like, dude, I'm gonna getfucking rich.
Like real rich.
Like I'm retiring my pa I'mtelling my parents, you're
getting, I'm gonna retire.
You mom's gonna be good.

(19:28):
I'm getting new cars foreverybody.
Like, we're gonna go travel,we're gonna have this great
time.
And then like by the thirdmonth, you know, you're starting
to, starting to second guessyourself a little bit.
Mm-hmm.
credit card bills are due.
Cause I didn't have any money.
I was just putting everything ona credit card.
Yep.
And some of your friends starttalking shit by the fifth month.

(19:48):
Everybody is kind of likewhispering in the background.
Thank God there was no socialmedia.
I probably would've been reallyhurting.
And uh, by the seventh month,I'm arguing with my girlfriend.
about bills and this idea ofdoing real estate.
It's like she keeps telling,just go get a fucking job.
I'm like, you don't understand.

(20:08):
Like, this is it for me, likeI'm gonna do this.
Then on the eighth month, myparents sat me down and said,
Cody, um, we think you're makinga big mistake.
You gotta just stay focused oncollege.
Later on.
Get a good job, go do stocks orsomething, sell stocks, make a
bunch of money, and eventuallyyou can get into the real estate
business.
And I'm like looking at my dadlike, you're fucking wrong.

(20:29):
Like, this isn't, no.
But by the ninth month I hadthis deal that I had worked
really hard on.
I was only gonna make a fewthousand dollars, but it was
gonna be my first deal.
Right.
And some fucking realtor tar gotin the way, and next thing you
know, the deal falls apart.
They cut me out of it and theydo the deal without me.

(20:50):
Hmm.
And uh, I remember sitting thereand I was, I was kind of like
crying to myself a little bitand I was like, you know what?
Fuck this.
I can't do this anymore.
And uh, that day I'm walking atASU by a bulletin board and
there was a job ad for abookkeeper and I'm like, God, I

(21:13):
need money so bad.
Like my bills are due.
Like I gotta figure this out.
So I called the guy and I said,Hey, you hire him for this
bookkeeper position still?
And he said, yeah, you know howto do books.
I'm like, yep.
Mm-hmm sure do.
I was taking an accountingclass, so I'm like, how hard can
books be He goes, great.

(21:34):
It was actually down here onCentral Avenue.
Next thing you know, I'm at hisoffice and I had to go borrow my
dad's suit cause I didn't evenown a suit.
Nice.
And it looked ridiculous.
And uh, he goes, can you starton Monday?
And I said, hell yeah.
That was Friday.
I went immediately to thebookstore, bought Bookkeeping
for Dummies, read that wholething.

(21:54):
All, all weekend long.
Showed up.
I'm now a bookkeeper that lastedmaybe three months before I
wanted to kill myself.
Mm.
That's more than I thought.
Yeah.
No offense to book.
I love, I mean, I got a lot ofbookkeepers on payroll right
now.
Like thank God they love, lovetheir job cuz that was not for
me.
Mm-hmm.
But the guy was a developer.

(22:17):
So even though I was quittingthe business, in my mind I was
still kind of in the world.
Right.
Because I was watching the moneyand my belief system started to
change a little bit because thisguy was a dumb ass.
And I'm thinking, how in thehell is this guy killing it?
I can't even fumble into a damndeal without getting cut out.
And this guy's a complete bozoand he's murdering it.

(22:40):
He was doing so well.
He was flying in some dude fromJapan to make him custom suits.
you're doing 80 flips at a time.
80.
Cut.
All historic downtown Phoenix.
raising tons of money, and I wasjust doing all the money in and
out, in and out, cutting all thechecks.
It was like early two thousands.
Mm-hmm.
yeah.
Mm-hmm.

(23:00):
And I'm like, I can't do this.
And I'm like, I'm gonna givewholesaling another try.
But this time I, I needed to dosomething different.
And, uh, my friend Zach Bali,who is probably one of my
favorite people on Planet Earth,because he convinced me to go to
a Jack Miller seminar.

(23:22):
Now, if you've never heard ofJack Miller, you should look him
up.
He is a phenomenal, phenomenal,creative real estate investor.
Old school from the seventiesand eighties.
He passed away a long time ago.
Outta that Jack Miller groupcame, Pete Fora, John Hab, and
my eventual mentor, a guy namedLyle Wall.
But this crew had been togetherfor 30 years.

(23:45):
all cr like you guys have heardof Pace Morby, right?
Mm-hmm.
has anybody heard of Pace?
Morby?
Phenomenal real estate investor.
One of my favorite people aroundin the game today.
Everybody was, imagine 400 pacemorby, like just everybody just
doing the most creative sliceand, and Dyson of, they called
it transactional engineering.

(24:05):
Zach convinced me to go to thisseminar.
Now you gotta put yourself inthe position of somebody who's
been to seminars, blew through30,000, tried for nine months,
quit the bit.
Like I didn't want to go toanother seminar at all, but for
some reason God was kind oftugging on my heart just saying,
come on dude, you're not happy.
Like, just go.

(24:26):
And so I went and I met mymentor Lyle there at, at a lunch
break, pivotal moments andrecalibrations.
Hmm.
And I had this amazing lunchwith this old man who looked
like Yoda and talked like Yoda.
And I'm like, you gotta be mymentor.

(24:46):
You guys wanna hear this story?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He said You, I said, you gottabe my mentor.
And he said, you don't want meto be your mentor dude?
I said, no.
I tried this business for ninemonths.
I told him the story.
I said, I can't do this aloneany longer.
Like I don't know if it was egoor what, but I was too proud to
ask for help.
I need help.

(25:06):
And you are the guy, I don'tknow why you are the guy.
He said, dude, you don't havewhat it takes for me to mentor
you.
I'm like, yeah, I do, man.
Come on.
Like what?
What do I gotta do for you tomentor me?
And he's like, you really wantit bad enough?
And I said, I'll do anything.
He said, anything.
I said, fucking anything, let'sgo.
He said, anything.

(25:27):
I said, lie, I'll do anything.
That's what I'm trying to tellyou.
He goes, you like baseball?
I said, not really.
He goes, well, three strikes inbaseball.
Right.
Well, with me, if you want me tomentor you, There's three rules.
Rule number one is you're gonnashow up tomorrow with$10,000 and
$5 bills.
You're gonna hand it to me.

(25:48):
I'm broke at the time.
I'm like, okay.
He goes, rule number two is justlike baseball.
Three strikes in, you're out.
You talk back in any way, shapeor form.
I don't like how you're acting.
You get a strike.
Third strike, I keep your moneytell you to fuck off.
You'll never talk to me again.
Thinking to myself, wow, this isgoing great.
What can rule number three be?

(26:09):
How bad can rule number threebe?
And he goes, rule number threeis simple.
Your first big deal, you get tokeep 100% of the money after
that.
If you ask me a question, if I'minvolved in any way, any way
whatsoever, I decide how muchyou keep and how much I keep.
I don't even think it took me athird of a second before I said

(26:30):
done.
I'm in next day.
I show up with the money hustledall day to get it.
And it's funny, you know, when Ihear excuses a lot of times from
people, uh, I used to, I used tobe that guy.
Mm-hmm.
growing up in that kind of anenvironment, it's easy to be

(26:51):
that guy where you're in this,this, this place where your
vision and your belief system,you're conditioned to think and
act a certain way.
And what happens is you trysomething or you hear about
somebody who tries somebody orsomebody gives you some advice
and you have all these negativetoxic inputs.
You don't realize that they'retoxic at the time, but you're
around all these inputs and soyour outputs are the same,

(27:15):
right?
Mm-hmm.
inputs and outputs.
And so I didn't realize I wasjust a guy walking around life
with my blame thrower and justblasting people.
You know?
I was a guy that was a victim.
I was a great procrastinator, Iwas a great over analyzer and
agitator.
I just didn't know any better.

(27:35):
Mm-hmm.
but you drop any crackhead intothe middle of any city on planet
Earth and they want drugs andthey're broke, they're gonna
fucking find that shit.
Mm-hmm.
And it's like, okay, I came upwith the money, I figured it
out.
Next thing you know, Lylehappened to have a, um, a, uh,

(27:56):
winner home out here.
He half the time in Colorado,half the time out here.
And I would sit there for hourswhen he was up on this old
rickety whiteboard explaininghow a subject two transaction
worked and a wraparound mortgageand a seller finance, and how
you take an income stream andcreate a note and then sell off
the first 180 payments and thenhave it return back to you

(28:16):
afterwards and do the wholeentire thing in your
self-directed Roth tax free.
And I'm like just gettingschooled.
I didn't understand any of it.
Like every fourth word I gotmm-hmm.
it'd be like trying to learnMandarin.
All of a sudden it's just like,whoa.
But I knew.
I knew it was like buildingscaffolding in my brain.
Mm-hmm.
and just being around a realdeal maker changed the way I

(28:38):
thought about things.
I saw him building relationshipswith people.
I saw the rapport, theinfluence, the sales, the
negotiation, the transactionalengineering happening.
And I'm like, wow, I want to dothat someday.
And, uh, you know, Lyle Lyle,I'm not here because I'm so

(28:59):
great.
I'm here because a great manlike Lyle Wall locked arms with
me that day.
Whether I paid him or not, hetook me on and I was a terrorist
for that guy.
You know, I was savage.
Mm-hmm.
And I also got two strikes realfucking quick.
you know, cuz that's what we do.
Mm-hmm.
as, as you know, entrepreneurs,I'm rebellious and I don't like

(29:21):
people telling me what to do andYep.
I push the boundary, but notenough to get fired from that
relationship cuz I, I valued it.
Um, My first deal, I made$40,000.
It took me, took me 14 monthsbefore I met, uh, 12 months
before I met Lyle.
By 14th month I'm cashing a$40,000 check.

(29:42):
So two months after he started,two months, man, that was
fucking it.
He did the one thing that Ihadn't done and he put blinders
on me mm-hmm.
and said all that other dumbshit you're doing is a waste of
time.
You do these three things, keptit simple.
You do these three things overand over and over and we're
gonna get you a deal.
And he was right.
And I am, I, I got a deal.
It was a very complicated deal,but I got a deal and I made 40

(30:05):
grand and that next fucking dayI quit my job.
Cuz I told myself when I wasgoing back in the business that
if I can make, this is how bigmy vision was back then.
Mm-hmm.
if I could make$4,000 a monthconsistently for six months, I'm
going full-time real estate.
$40,000.
I was making 34 grand a year asa bookkeeper.

(30:27):
I'm done bookkeeping, I'm nowfull-time real estate and I
haven't looked back.
Mm-hmm.
Wow.
And how long ago was that, thatfirst deal?
Two thou, uh, 2003.
2003.
Mm-hmm.
So you got this deal and thenwas it off to the races from
there?
Yeah.
The distance between D deal zeroand deal one was 14 months.

(30:49):
Deal one and two was maybe amonth and a half, two months.
Two to three was maybe threeweeks.
I, I condensed time byincreasing my skills and
capabilities.
Mm-hmm.
and just, uh, let everybodyknow.
Lyle was not nice to me, notnice to me at all.
He took every fucking dollar hecould.

(31:09):
Hmm.
I paid that guy millions.
So did you maintain thatrelationship or at a certain
point, did you kind of go yourown way?
Mm-hmm.
I talked to Lyle probably everyother week.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Uh, my first year in business,even though I made Lyle a lot of

(31:32):
money, I made 1.3 million inwholesale profits.
Wow.
Um, Lyle didn't solve all myproblems for me.
He just guided me as I neededit.
He wasn't around every second ofevery day.
Mm-hmm.
I, I did a lot on my own too,but he was always there for me.
And, um, uh, my, one of my firstbig lessons I had to learn as in

(31:58):
real estate was that I wasn'treally in real estate yet.
I was in a transactional type ofjob called wholesaling.
And I learned that when my$600,000 tax bill.
because I spent all the 1.3million I had a real good time
that year.
But new cars, I think I went toVegas like 50 times.

(32:23):
We were having such a good time.
I mean, cuz like you come fromnothing and all of a sudden
you're making real cheddar,right?
You don't know how to managethat money.
This is why all these athletesgo broke.
Mm-hmm.
you really don't know and have apositive relationship with
money.
I, I grew up with, uh, what am Imade of?
Money, energy, right?
And so I'm just blasting throughit and I didn't even have my
businesses set up the right way.

(32:43):
And, and I say this because amentor isn't gonna come in and
like, solve all your problemsand set everything and do
everything for you.
Like, I still had to learn a lotof fa through failure in, in
different things.
But, um, you get this$600,000tax bill.
What, what do you do?
What's your, what do you do ifyou make 1.3?
You blast through all of it.

(33:04):
You might maybe have 50 K, 80 kand uh, but you owe 600 k.
What do you do now?
You gotta go do more deals.
That's it.
Yeah.
The problem with doing moredeals, what happens next?
More fucking taxes.
Yep.
And because I wasn't paying,what do they hit you with?
Bunches.
Bunch of fees.
And dude, the amount I was,dude, I would get these letters
with big fucking red, bulkytexts at the top saying like,

(33:27):
you're going to fucking prisonand we're taking all your shit.
And, you know, it was, it wasscary.
Uhhuh, And uh, and it would say,penalties and fees,$7,000.
And I'm like, fuck, I just wentbackwards.
Like, or I'd pay 15, but thenthey charged me eight and I'm
like, shit, I'm not reallygetting ahead.
Uh, so I just had to make twoand a half million the next

(33:48):
year.
And you did?
Fuck.
Yeah, I did.
It's a great motivator to not togo to federal prison.
Yeah.
And so, uh, you know, you justmake more money.
But, but I started hearingwords, Lyle had been telling me
the whole time, which is, youneed to own real estate to be a
real estate investor.
I used to look at'em, be like,Lyle, your car's a piece of

(34:10):
shit.
You drive, you live in a shittyhouse.
I don't care if you have 23million in your self-directed
Roth, you live like a hobo.
I don't wanna live like that.
I wanna ball out.
And I thought, fuck, I'm prettygood at this wholesaling thing.
I'm making it rain.
It's like a cash spigot.
Just turn it on and make money.
Mm-hmm.
But I really started tounderstand the wisdom in what he

(34:30):
was telling me.
And I'm like, God, I gotta, Igotta make bigger chunks
quicker.
So I stopped selling all mydeals to rehabbers.
I started rehabbing myself.
And dude, my first deal, mycontractor stole 65 k from me.
First time trying to re uh,rehab a house.
So when I hear people are like,oh, it, it was tough to get.

(34:51):
I'm like, yeah, yeah.
It's designed to be tough.
The game is fucking.
otherwise everybody would behealthy, wealthy fit.
I mean, how many guys do youknow with Rolexs on that are fat
fucks with titties out andwearing a t-shirt at the pool?
And you're like, yeah dude, youmurdered it in the, in the money

(35:11):
game.
Mm-hmm.
nice Rolex.
Yeah.
But your health game is awful.
I would never trade places withthat guy.
You know, I want to be like my,one of my mentors, Wes Watson
says, ripped rich and rare.
Mm-hmm.
that's the guy I want to be.
I wanna trade places with a guythat's fucking got nine pack or
12 pack or whatever most packsyou can get.
And so, uh, I didn't wanna belike Lyle when it came to saving

(35:35):
money, but I started to, Istarted to understand what he
was really telling me and I'mlike, damn, I gotta, I gotta
keep more.
So I started rehabbing, then Istarted doing more creative
deals and next thing you know,I'm building a portfolio and it
took me four years to unburyfrom those taxes.
Four years.
Hmm.
Um, great lesson though, cuzimmediately I, I went and set up

(35:55):
better bank accounts.
I hired better accountants.
I hired better financial peoplein my life.
I stopped taking advice from mydad and other people that had
never made millions of dollars.
Mm-hmm.
and I, I built a squad around meand I'm like, okay, if I'm gonna
spend the next 20 years buildingwealth, I'm gonna do it.
Right.
Yeah.
So I feel like I could ask you abunch more about real estate and

(36:17):
making money and that kind ofstuff, but you touched on
something, um, just a secondago, and then you also, I saw
you speak last Saturday at, uh,was it elevator night with Dan
Fleischman, where I beared mysoul?
Yes.
So I, it was funny cuz I waslike, you know, there's, I was
imagining the conversation andthe things I was gonna ask, and

(36:37):
then that happened and I waslike, man, there's more
important things to talk aboutthan money.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So your heads at, yeah, youtouched on it and you said, you
know, I was making money, butthere's all these, you know,
wealthy people who were outtashape or, you know, terrible,
you know, Family situations andall that kind of stuff.
And it's funny cuz Carlostouched on it last time too,
about how, you know, he had thisperiod where, and I feel like

(36:59):
I've been hearing this as arecurring theme, right?
People get super wealthy, theyget super successful
business-wise, and then at acertain point it clicks, they're
like, all right, I got all themoney, but I'm missing
everything else.
And now you gotta go back andkind of like re you know, take
care of those other areas,right?
Yeah.
So you said, um, recently too,like you were making lots of

(37:22):
money, things were going well,at least on the surface, but not
so much, you know, behind thescenes or kind of on a deeper
level.
Yeah.
So can you dive, I know youwanna dive into that so much,
right?
But Oh, yeah.
Therapy session, right?
Yeah.
You know, I just think it'simportant my, my energy and my
vibe.
First off, I just want to, Iwant to tell everybody listening

(37:42):
that I'm happier than I've everbeen.
I really feel good about where Iam in life right now.
I, I feel I, I really lovemyself.
I love the energy I'm puttingout to the world.
I love the way I'm making animpact.
I love my, the way I treatpeople and the, my friendships
that I have.
I have a better relationshipwith my kids than I've ever had

(38:04):
in my whole entire time being afather.
I've gone deeper, even withShannon.
Um, you know, we've beentogether 18 years, married for
14, who I'm going through adivorce with right now.
Um, and it's because I'm inalignment with my purpose and it

(38:25):
took me 44 years to get there.
And that's what you heard metalking about.
Mm-hmm.
just because, you know, some menand women I guess.
Um, but I could definitely speakfrom a guy's perspective cuz
I've mentored a lot of'em and Iam one.
Mm-hmm.
That's my pronoun by the way, incase you, in case you fucking

(38:46):
wanted to know.
Thanks for clarifying that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, uh, the world we live in isfucking wild right now, isn't
it?
Yeah.
Um, I'm sorry, I should've askedyou that before.
Yeah, yeah.
No.
So it would've been morepolitically cracked to leave
with them.
uh, uh, what was I saying?

(39:10):
Yeah.
I'm in alignment with mypurpose.
Um, just, and I think it a lotof men, we, we hide the real
pain.
Mm-hmm.
we use it.
I think it, it's like, uh, theway I think about it now is kind
of like, I'm, I'm Dexter and itwas my dark passenger.
I hid my pain from growing up inmy environment and my situations

(39:34):
and the way I thought aboutthings and the, and just all my
pain and men do different thingswith it.
For a long time, I hid my painand achievement, and it was the
driving force to go out thereand become great because I could
not stand the idea of somebodycontrolling me and pushing me
around any longer.

(39:54):
I hated that feeling of beingbullied one more fucking time.
I refused to allow it to happen,and over and over it happened.
I, I was tired of being thefriend.
I was tired of being neverchosen.
Mm-hmm.
you, you know, you know thatfeeling where like, everybody's
lining up and they're like, I'lltake Timmy and Bill and Sam and,
fuck, I guess I got spur I hatedthat feeling.

(40:20):
And business is a great way totake control.
Achievement is a great way tofeel important.
Finally feel significance.
Mm-hmm.
and, damn, I got, I, I learnedthe rules and I got good at the
game.
But what you find when you buythe Rolls Royce, which I did, or
the Lambos or the big houses, isn n the way you feel about

(40:43):
yourself never changed.
It just never changed.
Mm-hmm.
I wanted it to so badly feellike I was really important, but
deep down inside, I still feltinsignificant.
And, uh, it's because I didn'ttruly love myself and I never
went deep enough to put in thereal work until guys like me,
some guys need punched orslapped.

(41:05):
Some guys need really kicked andput down, and some guys like me
need ran the fuck over.
And when I get ran over and I'mlaying there just a disaster,
and I'm finally alone in mythoughts, I'm like, I gotta, I
gotta really fix this.
Like the karmic debt that'sbeing paid to me, the way that

(41:26):
the choices I've made in thepast and what was happening is,
uh, I was lying to.
You know, a marriage is acontract right in the US and
it's a legal contract, but it'sa spiritual contract.
And when you violate thatcontract, no matter how good you
cover it up, no matter what yousay, no matter how many good

(41:49):
deeds I do, how how many tens ofthousands of people I helped get
in the business game and makemoney.
I couldn't hide the fact that Iwas cheating on my wife and I
was paying the price for it,carrying around this giant
anchor, and finally it got to betoo much weight.

(42:12):
I would look at my daughter andI would just feel like a piece
of shit, and I preach, set astandard, be a leader.
Step your game up.
Do the right thing, even whennobody else is looking.
These are personal core valuesof mine, but I wasn't living it.
And finally the weight got toomuch.

(42:34):
My mom's dying of cancer.
My marriage has falling apart.
We were good.
We friend zoned each other.
And my big mistake is I put herin her masculine and it's hard
to wanna fuck a person that's intheir masculine.
I mean, I guess if you're gay,that's great, but like I, I wa
I, I fucked, I fucked up by notallowing her to be this badass

(42:57):
feminine warrior that she is.
And, uh, I paid the price in itby, and I hid from that thing by
just going and making moremoney, right?
And eventually I said, you knowwhat?
This gotta stop.
I'm not gonna allow.
And here was my real thoughts,if you guys wanna understand.
It wasn't even about me.

(43:17):
It was more about like, I'm notwilling to steal any more
minutes from her.
Mm-hmm.
And that sentence got louder andlouder and louder until finally
one day I just told her.
And it was like a thousandpounds came off my chest that
day.

(43:38):
It was the first time I startedto get a little bit back in
alignment.
Then my mom dies.
And if anybody had anybody passaway in front of them, it's the
most tragic, horrible, awfulthing.
Cancer is awful.
And, um, and then I just, I Ihit rock bottom, you know?

(44:02):
And because I was at rockbottom, I was, my back was
against the wall.
I was scared.
I was having a hard time andmore bad stuff.
Ha.
Started happening.
And you realize rock bottom hasa basement.
Hmm.
And you just go a little lowerand you're just like, fuck.

(44:23):
I think it's time.
I think it's time to really putin the real work.
I called ScottsdalePsychological Counseling
Services.
I said, I need help.
They said, we're busy.
They have this, this week longintensive.
They said, we're busy.
Maybe three, four months out wecan get you in.

(44:44):
I said, you don't know me.
30 minutes later, I'm at thefront desk grease, the front
desk lady with 500 bucks incash.
Said, fucking kick somebody out.
Call them right now.
Get them the fuck outta here andput my name on that calendar.
I'm coming.
I will show up on Monday.
I'm not gonna say who, whichfront desk lady she is, because

(45:07):
I don't want her to get firedfor that.
I think she saw it in my eyes,the pain I was in and how
desperate I was at that moment.
I shut my social off.
I told my team at work.
I'm go, I'm, I'm gonna be gonefor a week.
Don't please just step up andhelp everybody did.
They, they knew I needed it.

(45:28):
and it was, uh, the best week Iever spent.
Hmm.
I showed up.
I did one years of therapy inone week, maybe 13 hour days.
Horse therapy, acting therapy,em, d r, individual therapy
group therapy, like every typeof therapy under the sun.
And, and I, God really helped methat day because he put me in a

(45:52):
group with eight other men, norsometimes they have men and
women.
They just happened to be all menthat time.
And every one of those men was ahigh level entrepreneur.
It was the first time in 40years of them doing this, that
we were all men and all superhigh level entrepreneurs.
And when I say high level, Imean this guy had a family
office with 500 million undermanagement.

(46:14):
This guy owned 27 TV station.
This guy owns half thedealerships in town.
Like it was like boom, boom,boom.
And I'm like, these are mypeople.
Mm-hmm.
thank you.
These are my people.
And, uh, It was, it was such agreat experience.
It was the hardest thing I everwent through because I had
inner, I had open heart surgeryon my inner child.

(46:39):
I got my intimacy circles inalignment.
I built a trauma egg.
Never even heard of a traumaegg.
It's literally every singlething you've ever been through
in your life.
Like I have amnesia.
My ability to compartmentalizein bury pain was instant.
I could cut your head off, buryyou in the desert, and never

(47:02):
think about it again.
Like I would've been a greatserial killer.
That's real pain.
You know where you ha, you'reable to just turn the switch and
it didn't exist.
That's how I made it.
Four years cheating on my wife.
Hmm.

(47:23):
When you go deep, You realizesomething that you cannot give,
what you do not have.
And I didn't have unconditionallove for myself.
So how can I unconditionallylove the people around me?
So when I say I'm in alignmentnow, that was, uh, last year,

(47:47):
for the last eight months, I'vebeen working my ass off part to
fix what I did.
The shame, right?
I'm driven by guilt and shame inpart just because this is my new
operating standard.
This is my new software that Ioperate by.
I'm free, man.
I'm free.

(48:08):
I feel better than I've everfelt.
My health is starting to get inalignment.
I got a six pack, like fuckingsix pack, like I look good.
Naked dude, and, uh, never feltthat way about my body before.
Mm-hmm.
First thing I did is went aroundto every one of my business
after doing everything with myfamily, having to sit down with

(48:31):
my kids and tell'em what I didand all that, which is very
hard.
Um, went around to my businesspartners and I said, you know, I
owe you everybody a big apologybecause if I can cheat and lie
to my wife, I can cheat and lieto you and I owe you all a big
apology.
Cuz that's not the standard Iwanna set.

(48:54):
I want you guys all to know thatwhen it comes to battle, you can
trust me and when it comes tothe bad times, you can trust me.
And uh, and I did it with myfriends and I've been, you know,
if, if you're in my world, youfeel me, when I walk into a room
now, I change the.

(49:16):
and that's the, that's moreimportant to me now than
teaching people how to makemoney or, you know, whatever,
whatever financial things I canhelp.
I think that's great and I thinkthat's part of the equation.
Mm-hmm.
But now if you're a mentoringstudent of mine, like half of
my, more than half, probably 85%of like our time together is me
spent going deep with you,really trying to understand you

(49:39):
and your, where your pain reallyis and what we need to do to
like, go deep.
Because the money starts to fixitself when you fix yourself.
Yeah.
Your health starts to get onpoint, your relationships.
And I'm also starting to do theone thing that I really did a
good job in business I wasalways really good at.
Like if you, I spend well over150,$200,000 a year on

(50:02):
consultants.
Mentors, masterminds.
Mm-hmm.
I'm, I will cut a check realquick to go further faster, but
why did I never do that with myspiritual game?
why didn't I go pay the bestspiritual thinkers and mentors
in the world for proximity likeI do with business?

(50:27):
I do it with a personal trainer.
Mm-hmm.
Why don't I do it spiritually?
Why don't I do it with like alove coach?
So I started like cutting checksin all these different areas of
my life, just trying to be like,man, I wanna be that guy.
Mm-hmm.
I wanna be ripped, rich andrare.
I wanna be deadly and fuckingdangerous and you wanna fuck me

(50:47):
so bad at the same time.
Like you're just like, I don'tknow why I wanna fuck that guy,
but I wanna fuck that guy.
Right?
Like, I wanna be a hardcorelover.
You get what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Not you.
You know what I'm saying,Bradley?
Yeah.
I got Bradley.
I got Bradley blushing a littlebit over here.
I like it.
Oh, I don't know how to respondto some of those things.
Yeah, that kind.

(51:10):
I want that energy.
Yeah.
Winy you said, right?
Winergy.
Yeah.
That's my, that's my phrase for2023.
I was talking to my friend,spectacular Smith, who's in the,
the boy band.
Boy.
He hates when I say that, the,the r and b band, pretty Ricky.
Uh, he said it one time to me,he said, man, we're just, we're
just all about that energy.

(51:31):
I'm like, dude, that's my 2023slogan.
I love it.
Well, first off, thank you forsharing all that.
I know that's probably noteasier.
Does it get a little easier eachtime or is it, it's not that
it's hard.
Yeah.
No, I don't, you know why I liketo like, to kind of have this
kind of conversation cuz nobodygives a fuck about my Rolls
Royce or how many deals I'vedone.

(51:53):
Not one person's gonna rememberany of that, but there's gonna
be at least half a dozen men inhere that are gonna go back and
apologize to their significantother today.
Mm-hmm.
And they're gonna say, I'm notin alignment with our
relationship.
And it could be just thoughts.
Look, it doesn't happen.
Like, it's not like I just oneday cheated.
Mm-hmm.
It's a very slow progression,whatever that is.

(52:14):
I don't know what that, it couldbe porn.
Then it leads to, you know, youfucking some hooker and then
next thing you know, you're offon these tangents.
It could be whatever that is foryou.
You know, you mm-hmm.
you opening a door, right?
On a dm.
Why are you opening doors on dmswith other people if you're
married?
Mm-hmm.
I did that kind of, that's howit happened.
For, for, that was the beginningpart for me because I got

(52:37):
millions of followers.
My dms are stacked.
I got some good talent in mydms, but the fact that I
interacted with them, it'swrong.
It ain't cool, you know?
And I should be able to operateas if she is standing right next
to me a hundred percent of thetime.

(52:58):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, but you justify and nextthing you know, you're off.
So that's why I like sharing it,is there's gonna be some people
that are like, you know what,I'm, I am.
embarrassed at how I look naked.
I am that guy that wears at-shirt at the beach.
I don't wanna be that guyanymore.
Mm-hmm.
And maybe that's the step thatthey're gonna take, is just,

(53:21):
man, I'm, I'm gonna go for awalk tomorrow for the first time
in a long time.
You know, I'm, I'm, I'm justgonna take that step.
And how do you eat the alignmentElephant One, one bite at a
time, baby.
Yep.
That's it.
So it's like, yeah, I'm a littleextreme.
Like, I'm like hiring IrwinMcManus to get me closer to God

(53:42):
and I'm a hiring, you know, westWatson and turn me into a
vicious fucking killer.
And, you know, I, I got allthese masterminds with all these
bad asses and like, I'm tryingto do it all at once.
Mm-hmm.
But if somebody listening justlike, you know, this is that one
area I'm gonna work on for therest of 2023 so I can have that
win energy.
We did our job.
Amazing.

(54:03):
I have no idea what time it is.
Uh, I could ask a hundred morequestions and keep this going,
but.
8 41.
Wow.
We're actually on time for thefirst time ever.
That's a big step.
So, uh, that my wife knowsthat's not my strong suits being
on time.
So dude, some of my podcastslasts like two, three hours, so
I'm cool with it.
Yeah, yeah.
Whatever.
So, I mean, one thing, it'sfunny cuz I didn't even know you

(54:25):
were here, Bradley.
I just talked for an hour.
I'm sorry dude, I hijacked yourwhole shit.
Hey man.
Uh, great interviewer.
Here we go.
I'm a good listener.
Right?
Play to your strengths, I mean,self-awareness.
So that's something that I feellike you talked about without
really talking about like whenyou went and you did that deep
work and like all of thesethings that you're been talking

(54:46):
about your whole past, you'relike, well this happened as a
kid and so that's why I do thisand I'm really good at this and
here's how I cope with that andthat sort of thing.
So were you always veryself-aware or was it kind of
like a more mm-hmm.
recent, like exponential thing?
I mean, one, I just think, Ithink winners have a bounce back
spirit.
I think.

(55:07):
I, I am naturally, uh, I'mprobably naturally more than a
glass half full guy.
Mm-hmm.
I'm like, even if there's noglass, I'm like, let's go
fucking create a glass.
Like that's my energy.
Yeah.
It's always kind of been thatway.
I don't know, maybe I'm bornwith it.
I don't know.
I, I feel like, I feel like, uh,I feel like a lot of this is the

(55:28):
million dollar question as areentrepreneurs born or made?
I thought.
I think it's both mostly made,but even the ones that are made,
they tend to be more born intosome sort of environment, maybe
some core ingredients that makeyou a great entrepreneur.
You're born win, making somepersonality traits that like,

(55:50):
you know, or certain people areskewed more towards like a sport
athletically.
Right.
So you, you kind have certainattributes.
But I would say, I mean, if Ihad to put a number on it, I'd
say like 70 May 30 born.
Yeah.
Something like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
As far as back as I canremember, I always kind of had
that like, figure it out.
Mm-hmm.
gritty, little stubbornness.
Well, yeah.
It's, uh, you know, you knowwhat it is?

(56:13):
Underdog spirit.
Mm-hmm.
I think that's what it is,because I'm not real good
looking, you know what I'msaying?
Mm-hmm.
I had to work really hard, youknow, I was never gonna get laid
otherwise.
because I wasn't seven foottall.
I can't dunk a basketball.

(56:36):
There's just certain things Ijust am not born with, I'm not
great at.
Mm-hmm.
So I always felt like theunderdog and, uh, it probably
makes you more gritty, which isa, a, a great thing as an
entrepreneur.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
I did wanna say one thingthough, cause I've been, I don't
know why I have this on my mind.

(56:57):
It's around complacency.
and I don't know why I've, I'vebeen looping this thought all
day.
Mm-hmm.
about how complacency killsprogress.
And maybe that was the spirit ofthis talk is, you know, there's
a lot of people that there'sthis graveyard of potential
greatness that was killed bycomplacency.

(57:19):
See, and I, um, I wannaencourage people this year,
because there is a recessioncoming, we're talking about
grit.
Mm-hmm.
we're talking about, you know,making money and being better in
all these areas of your life.
It's easy to settle, especiallyif you have a little bit of
success.
Mm-hmm.

(57:39):
um, it's really hard to not becomplacent in your health, in
your relationships, in yourbusiness.
Maybe that's what, maybe that'sthe spirit of, of what we're
talking about here.
Mm-hmm.
let's fucking kill complacencyin 2023, and let's take
advantage of this massiveopportunity that's coming our

(58:00):
way.
You know, they say that mostadults have four, maybe five
opportunities in their entirelife that are life changing
opportunities.
Two of them typically happenbefore the age of 21, so you
don't even know what to fuckingdo with them.
One of them happens at the ageof 65 or older, so you really
don't give a fuck.
You've already done your thing.

(58:21):
So that really leaves two, maybethree, but definitely two
moments in your life where youhave a shot at greatness, like
real greatness.
It happened for me in 2008.
I made tens of millions ofdollars during the last real
estate crash.
The symptoms that are happeningin our country right now.
You know, we're joking aroundabout pronouns and dumb shit,

(58:42):
but they fucking destroyed ourcurrency.
and it's gonna get a lot worse.
And, uh, whether you likeDemocrats or Republicans, what
they're doing to us is awful.
Mm-hmm.
and a lot of people should go tojail over it.
Yeah.
Between the pandemic to the waythey, you know, are pushing

(59:04):
socialism and communism and allthis crazy shit that's going on.
You know, the, the, thesolution, all of it is
capitalism, right?
Mm-hmm.
Right.
But, you know, you look atwhat's happening.
I can't control you voting forBiden or somebody passing some
rule or gas going up orwhatever.
I can't control any of that.
The only thing I control is whatI do on a daily basis with my

(59:26):
family.
Mm-hmm.
and how I build my littleprotective wall around that.
Maybe if I'm lucky I can impactsome other people, but like
that's the first step.
So you gotta elevate yourintention, your enthusiasm.
You gotta kill that complacencyinstantaneously and say, I gotta
go to fucking war right now.

(59:46):
Right?
And if you don't have that kindof like warrior mindset in 2023,
you're gonna be part of thehave-nots.
Mm-hmm.
because we're killing the middleclass.
The gap between rich and poor isgetting really big really fast.
I'm good.
Mm-hmm.
I got a lot of, I built a lot ofwealth already.

(01:00:07):
I want a lot more, but I'm nevergonna be homeless.
I'm never gonna be one of thosepeople that gets the rug pulled
out from'em.
These like, look at a lot of thebaby boomers are gonna get their
401ks and their pensions juststolen from them.
They're gonna be fucked.
Your dad is, you know, there'sgonna be a lot of people's
parents that get screwed.

(01:00:28):
Mm-hmm.
they're ta they're just, they'rejust, it's awful.
And so what can you control?
I can control my skills andcapabilities.
Now is the time to hire thosementors.
Pay cut the check, go furtherfaster, increase your skills and
capabilities.
I can control that.
I can control which money-makingvehicle I'm sitting in.
All these people that give theworst fucking advice, go follow

(01:00:51):
your passion.
It's like, yeah, go get richteaching guitar.
Dumb fuck You know, it's like, Ilove that you want to teach
guitar, but go build real wealthin a money-making ve vehicle
that actually has the potentialto build real wealth.
This is why I love real estateso many layers too.
But like I bought a buildinglast year, paid four, uh, 4.2

(01:01:12):
million for it.
Uh, put another couple hundredgrand into it and have uh, a
million dollars worth of thisflooring that's in it.
Did a cost egg on the building,got a a three and a half,$4
million write off.
I obliterated millions ofdollars in taxes on one power
move.

(01:01:33):
Wow.
The only difference between meand the next guy is I'm playing
the game.
Mm-hmm.
So when I hear people likebitching about like, oh, Trump
doesn't pay taxes.
Like Yeah, cuz he's smart.
He's playing the fucking gamewith the rules of the rich.
Mm-hmm.
this was the lesson that Ididn't understand when I got

(01:01:53):
that$600,000 tax bill, cuz I wasplaying the, I was still in the
wrong game.
I was in the make money game.
Yeah.
Trade mu time for money game.
Worst tax bracket game.
You gotta own real estatebecause you get the
depreciation, you get all theexpense write offs.
Well, first, before even that,you gotta get in to start a

(01:02:14):
business game because if youdon't have, if you're not
incorporated, you're, you're noteven in the game yet.
So that's phase one.
It's just start a fuckingbusiness.
And if you start a businessthat's in the real estate game,
it's even better.
because now you're in the, I'min, I'm, I'm able to take
advantage of some of the taxcode stuff, but I also can buy
these assets with leverage.

(01:02:37):
I can go buy 5 million worth ofreal estate with$1 million.
Where else can I do that?
Can I do that in stocks?
Are they gonna give some newbiewith stocks some margin
bullshit?
Mm-hmm.
No.
But I can immediately go to anybank and I could borrow a
million from you, put it into mybusiness bank account, raise

(01:02:57):
private capital, then go buy$5million worth of real estate,
get a massive tax write off,earn a bunch of money from my
tenants that are paying downthat debt.
That's good debt.
Paying down that debt.
And then five years from now, wecan sell it for a massive
profit, 10 31 in it, uh, to adifferent building and go buy
something for 20 million.

(01:03:21):
Build real generational wealth.
Mm.
I don't give a shit.
If you're an anesthesiologistmaking a thousand bucks an hour,
you're never gonna get there.
That's right.
Yeah.
That hamster wheel always keepsturning.
That's it.
Yeah.
So what's one, one boldprediction you have about the
economy, real estate, whatever,in the next year or two?

(01:03:45):
Um, I hope it crashes cuz I'mgonna get embarrassingly wealthy
Is that a prediction or a, Idon't know.
It's a, it's a, it's a hope.
It's a hope.
You know why?
And maybe it doesn't and it'snot because I want people to get

(01:04:07):
hurt.
Right.
It's because I understand thatwhen you print$5 trillion and
hand it out, incentivize peopleto not work, not create our gdp,
goes down.
We got all these bozopoliticians making all these
stupid moves.
They want our currency to crash.

(01:04:28):
The Federal Reservecryptocurrencies coming, they're
gonna force everybody over intoit.
If you think that China's realbad and we're real good, you're
living under a rock, socialcredit scores, all that shit,
they're tracking everything.
It's going to be a system whereyou, you can't rely on the

(01:04:53):
government anymore.
You can't rely on your parents.
You can't rely on a job, and youhave to take advantage of the
opportunities as aggressively asyou can when they come along.
Mm-hmm.
And so this is a zero sum game.
Money never leaves theecosystem.
It just changes hands.
And I'm not gonna be one of thehave-nots.

(01:05:14):
I'm not gonna be a renter.
I'm not gonna be somebody withhis handout that's desperate for
help and dependent on thegovernment cuz they've proven
that they can't help.
That's right.
Mm-hmm.
And if you just change yourlanguage, what you say to
yourself from the economy'sgonna crash to this is gonna be
the greatest opportunity of ourlifetimes.

(01:05:36):
If it crashes, I'm ready.
Mm-hmm.
And if it doesn't, great.
Yeah.
I'm still already on the path togo kick ass.
Yeah.
Well no matter what.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, but real estate, you know,is probably gonna crash, uh, a
little bit like different thanlast time.
You know, if you just look atthe mechanics when interest
rates go up, people get pricedout of the affordability.
Mm-hmm.

(01:05:57):
you know, we have, the onlything saving us right now is we
have a huge supply and demandissue still on.
If you look at the mls, we justdropped about 13, 12, or 13,000
active listings.
The fastest dec we're decreasingby like four or 500 houses.
A month, month after month.
Here in Arizona, that means newhouses aren't hitting the

(01:06:19):
market, but the demand is stillstrong to buy houses.
Unfortunately, when interestrates go from just six to seven,
everybody in that lower pricerange gets immediately priced
out because a six to$800 monthlyswing to most people is
impossible.
That's how fucked people are.
Mm-hmm.
the average American saves athousand dollars a year.

(01:06:39):
The average American, they'reone flat tire away from just
being done.
Mm-hmm.
And if you look, how much moneydo you think you need to
comfortably retire?
I don't know, low end five mil.
Okay.

(01:06:59):
Maybe five mil.
Did you pull that number outtathin air?
Did you actually sit down withyour wife and look at what do we
need in backwards engineeringinto like the kind of lifestyle
that you really want?
Yeah.
I've seen like people kind of dothe reverse math and like how, I
just didn't know how you came upout and stuff.
Yeah.
I'm not putting you under theYeah, no, I really wanna know
like that probably five mil,like if I probably have a goal,
am I probably not gonna hit it?

(01:07:21):
right.
So like you gotta know exactlywhat it is you're trying to
backwards engineer into so thatway you can live that life.
You know, Forbes put out anarticle a few years ago, they
said you need 1.8 million tocomfortably retire.
They modified it to twosomething because of inflation.
Mm-hmm.
Um, if you wanted to make$10,000a month for 20 years, starting

(01:07:46):
at age 65 going to 85, you needto save 3.4 million to live off
of and just pay yourself 10grand a month.
Mm-hmm.
I would bet you if I asked everyperson in this audience to write
down how much money you havesaved for retirement, and then
at the top of your page was 3.4million in cash.

(01:08:06):
There's a gap there and it'dprobably be embarrassing if you
had to walk around and showother people in this room, your
pa, your paper.
Most people can't earn and savetheir way to 3.4 million.
It just, um, if you start abusiness scale it, you might be
able to get there.
If you get into a vehicle likereal estate, you might be able

(01:08:27):
to get there, but just earnworking and saving very
difficult, almost impossible.
Yeah.
What if I also told you that ifyou wanted$10,000 a month, you
can go buy, let's call it sevenAirbnbs and you could buy these
Airbnbs using creative financewith none of your own money, and

(01:08:49):
we could raise private money forthe furniture and everything
else we need and we can use opm,other people's money.
You'd be like, damn, we coulddo.
And each Airbnb is gonna pay youthree to four grand a month,
five grand a month in pure cashflow.
And I, I'll even hook you upwith a manager to manage'em all
so you don't even have to touch'em within a year or two.
I can get you seven Airbnbs,right?

(01:09:10):
Mm-hmm.
it's a doable thing.
Yeah.
Now you got your 10 grand amonth.
You don't have to wait tillyou're 65 to retire.
You can retire in one year, twoyears.
It's just a different sa sameresult, different game.
Mm-hmm.
uh, average American saves athousand bucks a year.
Super Savers by timerRetirement.
How much do you think they save?

(01:09:34):
Super savers, like hardcore?
Maybe a million, 2 million.
97,000 That's how bad we are atmoney.
Hmm.
I mean, it's prettyembarrassing.
People are, we're hand, we werehanded all this money and we
blew through it already.

(01:09:54):
Mm.
uh, credit card debt's goingthrough the roof right now.
Student loan debts through theroof.
All these idiots getting thesewor the worst degrees on planet
earth.
You know, like what are yougonna do with these degrees?
Yeah.
Or education system's broken.

(01:10:14):
I love podcasts like thisbecause it's like we're talking
a little bit of financialintelligence here.
We're just trying to get peopleto think a little different
today.
I had Robert Kiyosaki on mypodcast.
Great conversation by the way.
Oh, plug my podcast.
The Clever Investor Show, by theway.
You guys should check that out.
Thanks Bradley, for plugging mypodcast.
Of course.
You got it.
While you're at it, get, getBradley five stars.

(01:10:36):
Can we give this guy some fivestars for getting guys like me
on the podcast?
Thank you.
You know, when I hear a guy likehim talk as crazy as he is, he
scares the shit outta me.
Mm.
It really does cuz it just makesyou think.
God, we've, we've screwed somuch up.
I can't control any of that, butI know what I could do tomorrow.

(01:10:57):
I can wake up with a positiveattitude.
I can go hit the fucking gym.
I can love as hard as I couldpossibly love.
I can pray harder than I've everprayed.
I can go to war in battle mode.
I can show up and set a standardfor every one of my team members
and everybody around me.
I cannot be scared to raisemoney because my skills and
capabilities are so good.
Every single one of you guys inthis room that has any lazy

(01:11:20):
money needs to go to clevercapital fund.com and gimme all
your money.
Cause I'm gonna go to war andI'm gonna go buy great assets
that are gonna pay us great cashflow, that have great tax
benefits and we're gonna go whipass for the next few years and
we're gonna take advantage ofthis big opportunity.
Mm-hmm.
So I'm not scared to promotemyself real hard.
And by the way, let's just maybeend on some of this shit.

(01:11:42):
Every single person in this roomshould be building a personal
brand.
Every person listening to thispodcast should be building a
personal brand.
You have zero excuses not to beout there being loud because
money flows to where attentionis where positive attention is.
Mm-hmm.
look at all the people that arecelebrities.

(01:12:03):
Look at everybody like, why do Igo hire a celebrity and do and
get, do a celebrity endorsementdeal cuz they got the eyeballs,
right?
I know that.
That's where the atten, theattention is gonna be, where the
money is.
How come I haven't heard of amost of these people in this
room?
I don't recognize your faces.

(01:12:24):
I don't know who you are.
I don't know what you're about.
I don't know what you do.
Why is that not enough energy?
They're just not fucking loudenough.
They don't believe in their shitenough.
They don't have the rightintention.
They're not aggressive enoughand they're a bunch of boring
ass adults.

(01:12:45):
Remember when we were littlekids and you saw a puddle?
What did you do?
Jumped in that motherfucker.
Yep.
Splashed around.
In fact, if you were next to me,I'm trying to get your ass
right?
What do we do now?
Oh, honey, there's a puddle.
Oh my gosh.
Let's walk around.
I don't wanna get wet, right?
We bitch and moan if we get wet.
Mm-hmm.

(01:13:05):
what happened?
When did we stop having fun inlife?
When did we stop beingaggressive?
When did we stop jumping in thepuddle?
Because we've been told no somany times, right?
And it started as little kids,we were conditioned.
What?
How many times do you think aparent says no to a little kid?
I can't count that high.

(01:13:25):
10,000, 10 million?
Because we don't go, no, we go,no, no, no, no No, no, no, no,
no, no.
Don't do that.
No, no, no.
right?
Yeah.
We hit'em with like 50 nos andit's like, I wonder as an adult
why I'm a little bitch.
It's like, it's cuz we'reconditioned to be that way,
right?
Mm-hmm.
Well, what if you just said, youknow what?

(01:13:46):
I'm gonna use artificialintelligence to sound like a
badass.
I'm gonna go into chat, G P t gM l m N O P and say, Hey, I'm a
real estate agent.
I want more business in Arizona.
I want, and I want to dominatein Scottsdale.
I'm gonna tell chat g p t togive me, write me a one minute
script on the five best placesto visit in Scottsdale, Arizona.

(01:14:11):
That's my prompt.
Hit, hit submit.
It's gonna spit me out a oneminute clip.
I'm gonna modify it for th 30seconds to make it about me and
have a little call to action atthe end if you need help with
your real estate needs.
Called Cody the retard.
And, uh, I'm gonna go onto anapp which everybody should
download.
Uh, the Oh yeah, it's big View,B I G V U.

(01:14:32):
Yep.
Download the big view app, whichis a teleprompter app that has
AI technology built into it.
And you're going to record your,you're gonna input your little
script, you're gonna record it,and you're going to hit export
with captions.
And it's gonna create yourlittle one minute short video,
and you're gonna post it andyou're gonna post 10 of those a

(01:14:52):
day.
And all of a sudden, and in thebeginning, nobody's gonna like
your shit.
Nobody's gonna engage with yourshit, nobody's gonna care about
your shit.
You're gonna be a birthday partyof one and it's gonna be
embarrassing.
And after about the first week,your friends are gonna start

(01:15:13):
making fun of you.
And, uh, you know, maybe by amonth or two, some people are
gonna stop calling you.
Unfriend you, unfollow you.
And they'll tell you too, by theway, I love this.
The power move is like, dude,I'm unfollowing you.
It's like, thanks for the email,You know, it's just the, just so

(01:15:36):
ridiculous when people leave mecomments like, I can't, I can't
believe you posted about onlyfans.
Like I'm unfollowing you.
And I'm like, who the fuck areyou What are you talking about
right now?
Thanks for the notification, Butif you stay consistent and you
keep up your enthusiasm and yourintention, something magical
happens.

(01:15:56):
Yeah.
Everybody.
You repel the people that youdon't want.
You attract everybody that youdo want, and people start
showing up.
And if you are, as you'reposting, you are finding your
little tribe and you're thepeople that you resonate with
and you're liking and engagingtheir stuff, they're gonna start
to see you.
Cause now you're fucking withthe algorithm and then all of a
sudden they start liking,engaging your stuff and over

(01:16:16):
time you just become one ofthem.
And it becomes like this roundrobin of like, support.
And by a year or year and a halfin, this is the new you, this is
the norm.
Nobody's making fun of youanymore.
Yep.
You know what they're doing.
They're asking you for a fuckingjob.
Mm-hmm.
They're asking you if they, youcould borrow some money.
That's it.

(01:16:38):
And because you have theintention, your organic
attention, you can create anytype of lead in any industry.
It doesn't matter if I'm insolar, that's what I'm doing.
If I'm in real estate, that'swhat I'm doing.
If I'm trying to blow up thispodcast, that's what I'm doing.
And I'm just creating up.
It's not about qu quality, it'sabout quantity.
and when you just flood themarket with that 10 views here,

(01:16:59):
12 views here, me and me andCarlos were just looking at my
views.
You know, I'm getting millionsand millions of impressions
every single, uh, seven days.
That's dude.
And last year I sent 54 millionemails out.
Like I'm a really good emailmarketer.
I sent 50.
I get'em all the time.
Yeah.
Yeah, dude.

(01:17:20):
don't get trapped in my web,like every email I have.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I swear those are all me.
not Mr.
Chat, G p T.
No, I made$10.8 million hittingthe send button last year.
Profit.
Mm-hmm.
10.8 million.

(01:17:40):
Have a 48% open rate.
I got a million people on myemail list.
I could literally not put mypants on and make$10.8 million
next year.
On only fans I could do.
I make an extra 10 on only fanswith my six pack right now.

(01:18:01):
Shh.
I could at least get 4 99 amonth outta some people But you
know, I, that happened becausepeople see me on social, they
come off of social, theydownload an e-book, they end up
in my world.
Next thing you know, I'mfollowing'em around everywhere.
I'm omnipresent in their lives.
Mm-hmm.

(01:18:21):
you didn't buy, you bought mycourse.
You never even did real estate.
But it probably, IM imprintedsome things in your guys' world
and next thing you know, you're,it led to other things.
Yeah.
It led to other things.
And now you're meeting otherpeople and you started this
awesome podcast and next thingyou know, we're sitting together
having a, having a chat.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Hey man, it's been amazing.
Build a brand.
What I'm trying to tell you guysis build a fucking brand, Build

(01:18:43):
a brand, like go for it.
Don't be scared to not do it.
Yes sir.
So we were on time now we'renot, but no.
Well, sorry about, um, I gottafinish with the one question I
ask everyone, and that is, whatis your definition of not most
people?

(01:19:06):
ripped, rich and rare.
That's it.
Three words.
People that short answer havegotten, you've got it.
People, people that operate likethat.
People that I wanna trade placeswith, people that I want
proximity to.
Mm-hmm.
people that I would be proud ofto call a friend.

(01:19:28):
Love it.
Somebody I would call when Ineed help.
Yeah.
I love it.
Great answer.
Um, and, and then I know youalready shouted out the podcast,
but what else you got going onthat you want people to know
about?
Dude, if they're not on your,you want my whole, you want your
whole audience to get trapped inmy web.
Is that what you're saying?
Look, my favorite thing I gotgoing right now is the podcast.

(01:19:51):
I'm having a lot of fun with it.
I, it's, I, I'm not monetizingit.
There's none of that stuff.
It's literally just me sittingdown with really interesting
people, uh, and having reallyraw, crazy conversations.
The Clever Investor Show, um,clever investor on all social
channels.
Uh, you know, some of myfavorite, I I, I've been lucky

(01:20:13):
enough to be teaching people inreal estate for, you know, since
2010 through my company, cleverInvestor.
So if I can ever help anybodylearn about the real estate
business, would love to have youcome in.
My favorite people in the realestate space, um, Carlos Reyes,
you know, one of, one of one ofmy favorite human beings.
Mm-hmm.

(01:20:33):
um, pace Mortgage, Jamil Dam.
G I mean, these guys are allreally great real estate
investors.
Vena Jetty.
These are people that they, youneed to be looking up and
looking, uh, trying to connectwith.
Mm-hmm.
um, I'm a founder of AvengersMastermind.
If you're looking to get pluggedinto a, a, like an investing
mastermind, you can go to, um,avengers mastermind.com.

(01:21:00):
Dude, I don't know, whatever,you know, just come hang out.
Don't be a stranger for sure.
Shoot me.
Yeah.
Got your free, uh, your freedeal hour that I just went to
last week.
Yeah, yeah.
If you're in Arizona, we'd loveto have, have you, you know, we
run, uh, the deal exchange, um,I think it's deal exchange
meetup.com or something.
Mm-hmm.
I don't know, something likethat.

(01:21:20):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I got too many websites.
dude.
I own, I own over a thousandwebsites, so many websites.
Mm-hmm.
I forgot.
I own, um, I haven't doneanything with it yet, but I, I
just remembered the other day.
I own, um, self-mademillionaire.com.
Wow.
I need to do something with thatsomewhere.
For sure.

(01:21:41):
Yeah.
That'd be dope.
That'd be a dope brand, right?
Mm-hmm.
south millionaire.com.
Well, I feel like I gotta go toprison first and then write a
book.
like some tragic shit reallyneeds to happen first.
Uhhuh Like, don't, doesn'teverybody need that?
Like that, that part of thestory where it's just like, I
can't believe he, he fuckingspectacularly imploded.

(01:22:02):
But then he came back, right?
He's back.
The heroes are crazy.
Better than ever.
Yep.
Self-pay millionaire.com.
All right.
We'll be looking for that heresoon.
Someday it'll happen.
Will you, will you write, willyou write something on the
cover?
Like, uh, like, you know howlike you get people to like type
something, like endorse like anendorser.
Yeah.

(01:22:22):
Forward.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm really not gonna ask you,but I didn't think so.
I'm just doing this to bepolite.
We're just ending this podcaststrong.
Yeah.
Well, unless, I mean, if yougrow this audience to be like
Joe Rogan shit.
I'll put you on my buck.
All right, deal.
All right, deal.
Yeah, All right, man.
Well, this has been a blast.
Thank you so much for coming on.

(01:22:44):
That was, that was one of thewildest, uh, conversations I've
been a part of.
So thank you, man, and, uh,thanks guys for being here and
listening.
I don't know how long we went,but it was fun, man.
And guys, give it up for Codyreal quick.
Thank you for having me.
Yeah, that was awesome.

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