January 16, 2023 • 62 mins
In this episode, I'm joined by Anne Lorimor, one of the most impressive and genuine people I've ever met. She is a Guinness World Record Holder, keynote speaker, and philanthropist.
Anne was born at the beginning of the great depression as the oldest of 10 children. Despite growing up poor, she went on to earn a B.A. in Journalism, B.S. in Nursing, R.N., M.S. in counseling, M.S. in health education, and Ph.D. in mass communications.
Then in the early 80's she was diagnosed with lymphoma. She managed to beat it.
And then in 2015 at 85 she summited Mt. Kilimanjaro (the highest peak in Africa and the highest single free-standing mountain in the world) to become the oldest person to climb Mt. Kilimanjaro. But then someone beat her record so she decided she had to take it back and climbed it again at the age of 89. It took her 9 days to reach the top (with 3 broken ribs).
Her motivation was raising money for her nonprofit foundation Creating Exciting Futures which seeks to help give every child the chance to reach their full potential.
In addition to that, she recently climbed Machu Pichu and she has traveled to over 100 countries.
Inside The Episode:
- How Anne beat cancer in an unconventional way
- Why you shouldn't ignore cliche sayings
- How Anne managed to climb Kilimanjaro (twice) in her late 80's
- How living and traveling overseas will change your life
- Why you're truly never to old or young to accomplish your goals
- Simple principles to stay happy and healthy no matter your age
- How to walk the fine line between calculated risk and recklessness
- The difference between a hand up and hand out
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Bradley Roth (00:28):
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We're gonna get right intotoday's episode.
I have a very special guest, AnnLaura Moore, and welcome to the
show.
Thank you.
Anne Lorimor (02:06):
I'm glad to
Bradley Roth (02:06):
be here.
Awesome.
So I'll give you guys a quick,well, I'll try to make it quick.
She has quite a resume, but Annewas born in the middle of the
Great Depression as the oldestof 10 children.
And despite growing up somewhatpoor, she went on to earn a
bachelor's in journalism, abachelor's in nursing, became a
registered nurse, a master's incounseling, a master's in health
(02:28):
education, and a PhD in masscommunications.
So very impressive there rightoff the bat.
But in addition to.
In the early eighties, she wasdiagnosed with lymphoma.
She managed to beat it.
We're gonna talk about that cuzthat's kind of an interesting
story there.
And then in 2015, and this isprobably what she's most
publicly known for at 85 shesummited Mount Kilimanjaro in
(02:51):
Africa.
It's the highest peak in Africa,and it's the highest single
free-standing mountain in theworld.
She became the oldest person todo it, but then someone beat her
record.
So she decided she had to takeit back and climbed it again at
the age of 89.
Took her nine days and made herthe oldest person to climb Mount
Kilimanjaro.
(03:11):
And her motivation for that wasraising money for her nonprofit
foundation, creating excitingfutures, which seeks to help
every child be able to fulfilltheir full potential.
In addition to that, sherecently climbed Machu Picchu
and has also been to over 100countries.
So, This is one where I waslike, okay, this might be a Joe
Rogan episode.
I have so many questions.
(03:32):
It could go two, three hours.
We'll see how it goes.
But I wanna start off with thebeginning.
So oldest of 10 children.
I'm the oldest of four.
My parents both grew up inmassive families.
My dad was one of nine, my momwas one of 17.
But I want to ask, do you feelthat being the oldest of 10 had
anything to do with kind of thatsense of ambition or that indi
(03:56):
independent spirit that you seemto have?
Anne Lorimor (04:01):
I'm not sure that being the oldest did that, but
it certainly gave me a lot ofresponsibility and so I had to
think about ways to handle thatand still get on and do what I
wanted to do.
Bradley Roth (04:12):
Yeah, I know, it's just interesting.
I was reading there's this bookcalled The Birth Order Book that
I came across recently, and ittalks about how.
your birth order, like being theoldest or a middle child or the
youngest or only child, tends toaffect kind of personalities and
the oldest child tends to be themost kind of independent and
like leaders and a type and thatkind of stuff.
(04:33):
So I was just wondering if thatplayed into that being the
oldest and having that sense oflike, I don't almost being a
leader amongst your siblings oranything like that.
Well, I
Anne Lorimor (04:43):
certainly didn't know about the research at that
time, but I definitely did feelthat I led them a lot at the
time.
Yeah, I, when I climb now, I sayI'm not setting any speed
records, only age records, butwhen I was younger I was the
leader of the pack and I liked
Bradley Roth (05:00):
that.
Awesome.
So did you always feel driven todo a lot because that's a lot of
degrees that you earned.
Was that all kind of at once orwere they spread out throughout
your life or were, did you justlove learning?
What was the kind of motivationbehind all that?
Anne Lorimor (05:18):
I always loved learning, but I didn't certainly
think I was gonna have a lot ofdegrees.
I, I, even when I was a littlegirl, I thought I was going to
college.
But then when I was about 15, Iread something that said you had
to be very intelligent to go tocollege.
And I thought, I told myteacher, well that washes me
out.
And she said, no, you're notgonna have any problem.
(05:40):
So I went on doing what I'dintended to do all the time.
I do believe that it'simportant.
Our family was always important.
And so I wanted to see the bestpossible for them.
And in a number of times in mylife, I've helped them out when
I thought it would be useful.
when my mother was off on herown when I was still in my early
twenties, I got her a cowbecause they didn't have enough
(06:03):
to eat and they lived in thecountry thought, well, this will
help them at least have somefood.
And so things like thathappened.
Yeah I'm very fond of mybrothers and sisters and I'm
proud of every one of them, youknow?
Spite of a very backward start.
There's not a one of'em thatended up in prison and every one
of'em own ended up owning theirown home and know many things
that I'm proud of.
Bradley Roth (06:24):
That's awesome.
So they kind of followed in yourfootsteps a little bit in some
ways,
Anne Lorimor (06:27):
sounds like.
But you did say that I was inthe middle of depression.
Not true.
I was born at the beginning ofthe depression, and I suffered
the whole thing and ours didn'tend when other peoples did.
I think we were still sort ofdepressed, even at the end of
the war, so.
Bradley Roth (06:43):
Wow.
So you've seen a lot of these,yeah.
You've seen a lot of thesecycles and ups and downs in
society since then, so, yes.
I could ask you like what do youthink about what's going on now
in the world and stuff, butthat's, I don't wanna get too
off topic, so I wanna know.
Good I wanna know.
So you have bachelor's injournalism, nursing, you know,
other degrees in healtheducation, counseling.
(07:04):
What was, did you have like amain career after going to.
Anne Lorimor (07:10):
I did a number of things in the various fields
that I had when I startedcollege.
I was sent to a small religiouscollege that didn't have any
accreditation, and I always feltI wanted to get somewhere and I
better give myself everyadvantage possible.
So I get accepted by theUniversity of Cincinnati, and
I'd lived there for a year andsupported myself totally.
(07:31):
But they said, oh, you're not aresident.
Your parents are a resident inArizona.
And I'd been supporting myselfand everything else, so I just
couldn't do it.
So then I said, okay, thenursing opportunity came along.
I got a full ride scholarship.
So I said, well, it'll be a goodbackup for me.
It wasn't what I intended to do.
My aunt was a nurse and mymother was a teacher.
And those were the two thingsthat women thought about in
(07:53):
those days.
Right.
And I thought about both of'em,but I decided on teaching and it
took a long time to get there.
So, and as for the counseling,that was even later because I
had been away for a while livingoverseas and doing other kinds
of things, and I wanted toreally counsel people.
So I started to do social workthat was filled.
(08:13):
So there was counseling soundedabout the same, and I signed up
for it and did it.
Bradley Roth (08:18):
Wow, that's interesting.
My mom will probably listen tothis episode and she just went
back to school in her latefifties and she just started out
her career as a counselor.
So that's kinda interesting.
But good for
Anne Lorimor (08:29):
her.
Oh, a lot.
People scared me a lot.
They said, oh, you know, youcan't do it.
Somebody'll sue you.
And it did get slowed down, butit never got totally stopped.
Yeah,
Bradley Roth (08:38):
I think that's an important lesson.
Right.
But so coming out, did you workas a nurse for a while or did
you work mainly as a.
or a little bit of both.
Anne Lorimor (08:47):
I've done both.
Yeah.
I worked as a teacher while Iwas getting I'm sorry, as a
nurse, while I was getting readyto go back to college, wanted
creative writing, he didn't haveit, so I thought journalism was
the next best thing.
at the same time.
I had my RN at that time, but Ithought, well, let's have a
backup.
I mean, I'm, there's nobody tosupport me.
I don't have a big family behindme or a foundation or anything
(09:07):
else.
I have to do it on my own.
So I did the double major of theBS in nursing and the AB and
journalism.
Bradley Roth (09:13):
Gotcha.
So the journalism, did you everdirectly go into that or become
a journalist?
Anne Lorimor (09:19):
Not really.
Yeah.
I've used it in everything I'vedone, I think.
Yeah.
Because I did a number ofthings, like when I worked for
Red Cross, it was helpful in myreports.
And I worked I got a, just a aninternship done in Los Angeles,
and again, I felt that thejournalism helped in the
reports, it was with the healthdepartment, and I felt that
journalism was very helpful inexpressing
Bradley Roth (09:37):
myself.
Yeah, one of, one of thosedegrees that I think develops a
lot of those soft skills thattranslates into a lot of other
things.
Communication, you know, rightnow communication is one of the
most valuable skills on theplanet.
So I'm sure that came in handy,but I wanna know it cuz I look
at I see a little bit of thisearly life, right?
All your education, your earlylife with your family.
(10:01):
And then I know a lot of therecent stuff climbing, kil,
manjaro, but I'm kind of curiousabout like that gap in between,
you know, like say from yourtwenties to your fifties or
sixties.
You know, were you hiking, wereyou always active?
Were you doing lots of differentthings?
I know that's an open
Anne Lorimor (10:20):
question very clearly, I've never been a
professional climber, but Ialways.
worked to exercise into my lifebecause I thought that if you
feel good, you can do everythingbetter.
I got the master's degreebecause somebody I'd babysat for
had got a master's in healtheducation.
It fit well with the journalismand that's what where I went,
(10:43):
worked for Red Cross quite awhile after that one, and then
I.
I never said, this is my career.
I never said that this is whatI'm doing now and I'm enjoying
it and I'm helping people, but Iwant to go back and get my PhD.
And so my advisor as anundergrad had steered me onto
some places where there weregood programs and I applied
(11:04):
actually, and I was accepted byall three, which is amazing to
me.
So I chose the one that had herprofessor and that I thought was
very good program.
That was in Wisconsin.
And the fun things happenedthere too.
I belonged to the yacht clubthere for a little while and
just some fun things happened.
Bradley Roth (11:23):
So at what point in your life was that?
What age were you when thathappened?
Anne Lorimor (11:27):
I think that I was just in my early thirties when I
started my PhD.
Oh, okay.
Gotcha.
I spent the rest of the time,I'd worked, as I told you, as a
nurse, and I'd worked for RedCross.
Doing some of those things.
And then later on.
I taught.
After I got my PhD, I wentoverseas to Spain and got my
certificate in Spanish studiesand spent some years traveling
(11:49):
around there.
And then I got hired from overthere and started teaching and
did it for a number of years andWow.
Enjoyed it very much.
Bradley Roth (11:57):
So you taught in Spain,
Anne Lorimor (11:58):
English is second language, yes.
Okay.
It is how I supported myself.
Bradley Roth (12:02):
Oh, very cool.
So what was that like livingoverseas?
Cause I think that's anexperience that not a lot of
people have had.
I know we just traveled my wifeand I overseas and I feel like
you learned so much.
And what was that like for you?
Did that change the rest of yourlife after
Anne Lorimor (12:15):
that?
I already had a pretty broadview of things cuz I had been in
18 states by the time I was fiveyears old.
We were just travelers, but itwas wonderful.
I, I love Spain.
The people there had such asense of self and self pride in
things.
I liked them so much and theytaught me some of their dances
(12:38):
and I got to see some of theirmuseums.
And when I was teaching in theInstitute for north American
Studies.
I never saw a place, have somany holidays as a Spain.
Religious holidays, secularholidays, and every kind, every
time there was a holiday, Itraveled somewhere.
So I didn't come home.
A lot of the kids that know Isaid, I'm going home later, but
now I'm gonna see everything Ican.
(12:59):
And I saw a lot of Europe, that,you know, Portugal and France
and Germany and all over ofcourse, a lot of Spain.
Bradley Roth (13:08):
Wow.
It's funny cuz that reminds meof, we were in Albania recently,
and they were like, yeah, we,the joke in Albania is like,
they don't, there's no officialreligion, so they just, every
religions, holidays, it's like aday off for everyone.
So they have all these days offfor Hanukkah, for Christmas, for
like, you know, you name it.
So they're like we love all thereligions because we get days
off of work and stuff like that.
(13:28):
So that's kind of funny, but butone thing that I noticed you
said that I think is subtle, butreally important is you said, I
never really, you know, said,oh, this is my career.
It's what I'm doing now.
Right.
So did you kind of have thatmindset of like, I'm not gonna
just do one thing forever.
I'm going to continue to learnand evolve and try different
things.
Anne Lorimor (13:50):
I always wanted to learn.
I have a little motto that saysit's never too early to start
and it's never too late to learnand grow.
But what I meant by the career Iwanted was teaching in college.
And I had been told in Berkeleythat maybe I could teach in a
women's college, somebody thatit was all possibly be available
for me.
(14:10):
Well, things began to change andI'm so happy that my nieces and
grand nieces and all haveopportunities I didn't have.
But what I really wanted to dowas teach in college.
And I did that until they becameill.
Gotcha.
Something that I felt that kindof was my career.
Gotcha.
But after that, then I came andwas a health inspector for the
(14:30):
state of Arizona in the healthdepartment.
Cause that was, I had a goodbackground for that.
Good for the reporting and goodfor the knowledge of it.
And I did that until I retired.
Oh
Bradley Roth (14:39):
wow.
So I guess now I understand yourfoundation is very focused on
helping kids and a lot of thatprobably comes from being a
teacher for so long and allthat, and just being around kids
and watching them learn and thatkind of experience.
Anne Lorimor (14:53):
Well, let me tell you some of the experiences that
did lead to my being especiallyinterested in kids.
When I was in grad school,again, I was working my way with
help for an assistantship and Iwas a nanny for a professor.
And those little kids, there wasthe little three year old, he
said, talk to me about likethings, for example, Italian
(15:14):
cars.
He talk about Ferrari andLamborghini and other rats.
And I just, the open mouth, youknow, they know so much Uhhuh,
and I read to them every night.
They had a stack of books youwouldn't believe, and I'd just
read to them every night,something.
So they were getting all kindsof expansive opportunities.
But then when I'd go home,During the holidays, my mother
(15:35):
lived in a not very affluentarea and down the street from
her, some of her church memberslived and there was a mother and
father and twin boys that livedin a house no bigger than the
professor's living room.
And in that house I didn't see asingle book.
And they were bright littleboys.
I just said, somebody's gottalevel this point field.
(15:58):
These kids deserve a chance.
Yeah.
So I worked at it and I alwayshad done volunteer work for the,
I did Salvation Army Meals.
I served while I was inundergrad.
And I still do all kinds ofthings to help kids.
Family promise, which helpstransitional homeless and I, the
work that I'm so proud of and mychurch has, they, they take
(16:20):
people who are maybe the kindthat live paycheck to paycheck
and they have maybe one of'emloses a job.
Excuse me.
Bradley Roth (16:33):
No worries.
Anne Lorimor (16:39):
So, or there's a catastrophic illness and all of
a sudden they're out in thestreet.
So this organization houses themin churches a week at a time,
and they give them use access toa telephone, access to a
computer, and they give'em anaddress.
And I heard a joke about thatand I say it's a lot easier to
(17:00):
find a job if you can say, thisis my dress than I'm living
under the secondary, outside thecity limits.
And so this is offered to them,and I help with that.
I stay overnight, be the hostingthing.
I help serve meals, few thingslike that.
And I liked them, particularlybecause they're one of the few
shelters in the state ofArizona, maybe a whole lot of
(17:22):
other states that takes care ofthe pets.
I am, I love animals,particularly dogs.
And they told me that peoplewould come there out on the
street and they'd offer'em aplace.
They said, but you can't keepyour dog.
And they'd say, well, we won'tstay there.
We go back on the street.
Well, now it's not ideal.
They have great big cages wherethe dogs are, but the dogs are
(17:44):
exercise.
There's somebody on duty 24hours a day, and people get to
visit their dogs.
And so I'm just, it's justsomething that makes me so
happy.
Yeah.
Bradley Roth (17:53):
That's awesome.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I wanna to, I wanna talk moreabout the foundation, but it, I
wanna come back to it becauseit's ties into something I wanna
bring up later.
But but I love that story.
We'll get into that more, but Iwant to ask you about when you
were diagnosed with lymphoma.
I think it, you said it was theeighties, early eighties.
Yes.
When that happened.
Yeah.
How old were you
Anne Lorimor (18:14):
for that?
I would've been in my earlyfifties.
Early fifties I got a diseasethat usually only men over 50
got.
But I got it.
Anyway,
Bradley Roth (18:24):
just lucky, huh?
Anne Lorimor (18:25):
Yeah, just lucky.
And I, so I asked my doctor whatmy chances were.
and he told me I had about a 50%chance of being alive in a year.
I said, Uhuh, I'm gonna be here.
Yeah.
And so I did everything he toldme, but then I said to him, now,
may I do all these other things?
I did biofeedback and I didmeditation, and I did exercise
(18:47):
and everything I could think ofto help myself.
Cause I said, obviously I wasn'tdoing it right or this wouldn't
have happened.
I was under a lot of stress.
it was a, I was the very firstwoman that had ever been in that
particular organization.
And I, you know, it was hardbecause Yeah.
You got enough to overcome justteaching in a new place without
being teaching as a woman in anew place where you're har
(19:09):
aren't horribly well accepted.
So anyway I got through it.
Yeah.
And I, I say now that I am not asurvivor, I am a victor.
Bradley Roth (19:18):
I love that.
And I find it so interestingbecause you said you were doing
meditation visualization, thesethings that aren't widely
prescribed for people who havecancer.
Or at least, you know, maybetoday it's starting to become a
little bit more known, but wasthat considered pretty, like
kind of woo-hoo, or,
Anne Lorimor (19:35):
Oh, I'm sure it was.
Yeah.
But I read a book called I thinkit was Medicine Miracles by
Bernie Siegel, and I certainlytook that to heart.
And I read about a woman who hadanother kind of cancer, but she
absolutely did all the things Iwas doing and some more.
And she came through and Ithought, I and I believe in
(19:56):
prayer and there were people allover the place praying for me
too.
And I certainly accepted everybit of that.
And I just felt like I've got todo this.
Took me a while.
I was not my usual health,healthy, vibrant self, I can
promise you.
And I took their chemotherapybecause I said, what I did, it
hasn't worked.
I've got to give myself a boost,then I'm gonna try to never let
it happen again.
Bradley Roth (20:17):
I love that.
And it hasn't happened again.
Right.
Anne Lorimor (20:19):
I got a tiny little bit of cancer in my
appendix when they took it out.
I didn't have that taken outuntil I was 70.
Just ready to, well, I think itwas just after I retired from
the state of Arizona.
It didn't let stop me.
That's all.
Never, ever quit.
That's one of my major mottos.
I
Bradley Roth (20:37):
love that.
And I just find it sointeresting because I think
people who get sick a lot oftimes will just.
I'd say like 95% of people justrely on the chemo.
You know, they don't do thevisualization, they don't change
the lifestyle so much.
So I think that's something thatreally stood out to me,
especially to do that back then.
(20:58):
Because like you said, you gottahelp yourself as much as you
can, and I think it's kind oftaking your own power back.
And then I'm curious too, didthose, were you already
meditating and visualizing, ordid that kind of become like a
lifelong habit from that?
Anne Lorimor (21:15):
I really wasn't.
I always tried to eat well.
I tried to get enough sleep,which I never did.
And I also tried to handle mystress, which I didn't do well.
It was a very difficult job.
it really was.
I like teaching the kids, but onthe other hand, I mean, they
weren't kids, they were youngadults, but it, I did.
(21:35):
One time, for example, I went toa professor's party, I was
invited to when I first gotthere.
So I marched up to the door andthe woman looks at me shaking
her head and I got the feelingshe was gonna say, no, no
salesmen here.
She just wasn't used to anywomen professors, you know,
Right.
But I explained who I wastreated me perfectly well.
But it, there were always thekind of thing that made you feel
(21:55):
that you weren't quite accepted.
You
Bradley Roth (21:57):
didn't quite belong.
Yeah,
Anne Lorimor (21:58):
exactly.
Yeah.
Bradley Roth (22:00):
So, I mean, do you feel like when you look around
decades, like in, you know, pastgenerations versus like today,
and there's so many more peoplewith cancer and heart disease
and all these other things, doyou think, I mean, obviously
there's lots of differentfactors, but do you see like
people in general seem to bemore stressed out today than.
(22:23):
Then back then,
Anne Lorimor (22:25):
but I'm not going to stop with that, Bradley.
Right?
I and I'm not an expert.
All right.
I'm just saying it's myimpression and some experts say
it that all of this electronicequipment we have has some
effect on us.
And when I have my little phone,I put it away from me at night.
I put it where I can reach it,but not where it's gonna be
giving me Right electrons orwhatever it isf.
(22:48):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And.
I think a lot of people aren'treally as into health as I am.
My mother grew up on a farm andshe, we were very poor, but she
always tried to give us the bestfood she could give us.
And see that it was healthystuff.
I still to this day don't drinksodas or coffee or tea and, you
know, a lot of the stuff that'snot really considered very good
(23:09):
and it's no effort for mebecause I just don't even like
it But I do try to do what I canand people, and I got disgusted
one time said to my sister, youknow, if you listen to all of
these people, you wouldn't needanything.
And that's the truth.
Everybody Yeah.
Knocks on something.
So I say, okay, be balanced andtry to choose.
What in your mind seems the mostsensible thing?
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I like to do citrus fruits, forexample, and I'm fine with milk.
They say nobody in the rest ofthe world drinks it.
Well, I drink it and I feel itkeeps, helps me stay healthy.
to keep my bones up becauseafter all I'm old enough that I
can have problem with that if Ididn't work at it.
So, yeah.
Anyway I just try to say balanceis probably the most important
thing of all.
Yeah.
Bradley Roth (23:50):
And was that something that you felt really
shifted for you after, Nope.
Or beating cancer?
No.
Nope.
Anne Lorimor (23:55):
I still say I was doing all the right things.
I was eating well, I wasexercising, I was doing, but I
was stressed to the max all thetime.
Yeah.
And I, that was what it was.
It had to have been becausethere wasn't anything else
there.
So I had to find ways to handlemy stress without it
internalizing it.
Bradley Roth (24:12):
can you share some of that?
Cuz I think there's a lot ofpeople who are listening to this
and are like, man I'm trying todo all the right things, but I'm
stressed as heck and always busyand that sort of thing.
Do you have any tips for people?
Well,
Anne Lorimor (24:23):
one of the things I use a lot is affirmations,
which I hadn't done much beforethat and when I get.
Oh, exercised about, forexample, the food, the way
people are, I say, yeah, I can'tdo anything about this.
I can do this.
And I always say to myself, andwhen I get start going off the
handle and I say, this is nothelping anything, let's think
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about doing something that wasprofitable or has some purpose
to it.
that would be my main thing.
I find your own way to relievestress.
Yeah.
Now my, I have a girlfriend thatloves bubble baths.
I mean, I mean, not me, but whenI am stressed I swim or I walk
or I read a book and I like thefunny ones that make me laugh
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and get out of myself.
Yeah.
So those are the kinds of thingsI should, and try to get enough
rest.
I mean, I sometimes leave thelight down all night long, which
is stupid and I shouldn't bedoing it.
Yeah.
So I'm trying very hard to havea set bedtime.
Do it.
Yeah.
But always read something beforeI go to sleep because that, that
relaxes me.
Bradley Roth (25:27):
for sure.
Yeah.
It kind of, you know, that voicein your head can start to kind
of run away at night, but if youread, it's kind of almost like
you're taking control of thatinternal voice in a sense.
It helps for me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I mean, yeah, a couple of keythings there to summarize, which
I totally agree with.
I think, man, probably the vastmajority of people now do not
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spend nearly enough timeoutside.
That's probably a big one.
Outside away from screens.
I feel like you do those twothings.
Like when I focus on doing thosetwo things, like I noticed just
a massive difference.
So, so those are kind of, Ithink timeless tips that you
provided.
So, but after that, so you beatcancer or you're still working?
I'm guessing or I don't knowexactly when you quote unquote
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retired from your career, but Iwanna move into what I think a
lot of people are wonderingabout, which is Kilimanjaro, the
world records, that kind ofstuff.
Anne Lorimor (26:22):
Let me insert briefly that I did retire 20
years ago.
And I think that I'm busier nowthan I ever was.
The only thing is I have moreflexibility.
And Kilman.
Gerald has an interestingbackground.
When I was in high school, Iread the snows of Kilimanjaro.
And I thought about it.
That's such, so interesting, youknow, but it wasn't any on my
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bucket list.
It wasn't a goal for me.
Right.
And I always thought it wasinteresting and I wanted to
travel, but I didn't have thatparticular desire to do that.
But then my niece and nephew afew years back said, we're going
to climb Kilimanjaro.
And I looked at him, I said, letme go with you, I'll say to
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laugh.
They said, well, sure.
Well why not So then I joined Imean, sorry, CEO space.
And there was a man there whowas the oldest person to have
climbed all of the sevensummons.
Oh.
And he was getting a grouptogether to climb Kilimanjaro.
And I got all excited and I gotin touch with my niece and
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nephew and I said, this man'sgoing to do it.
He'll probably understandproblems of older people and
also have younger people.
Well, they couldn't do it.
So I decided I'm going to dothis.
And at the same time, I wasstarting my foundation because I
feel that every kid deserves toknow his options and then be
given some hand up towardaccomplishing live lives they
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love, and then my stress givingback.
So I thought I'll combine thetwo and my love of hiking and
getting some attention andhopefully donations for this.
Cause I go along and I'm workingup on my exercise, tried to find
a trainer, couldn't find one,just kept doing my own exercise.
and I got somebody at church tohelp me do a little brochure,
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and I just got it all done.
I told about what was to beaccomplished and when it was
going to happen and all this,the day, the very day after I
published that brochure, the manput it off.
He says, I don't get, didn't getenough people.
We're not gonna do it for ayear.
Well, I, as I said, when youfound your focus, never ever
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quit, but pivot when necessary.
So I said, okay, I'm keeping mymoney right in there.
We're gonna do it So I justcontinued to exercise.
I went up, I had a friend whohouse set up Northern Arizona.
So I went up and she gotpermission for me to stay with
her.
And so I got some altitudeization in there, which is one
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of the things that stops peoplethere.
Right.
And I went to Colorado and didsome climbing, which I have
relatives there.
And so I felt that I was inpretty good shape when I went
over there.
Now you were a little bitinaccurate about what you said.
When I first climbed, I was onlythe oldest woman, but four
months later, another womanoutdid me.
Ah, okay.
Vince, when I said, I'm going toclimb and beat this, and I
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looked and I said, I'll be olderthan many of the men that are
done.
I'll be the oldest person.
So when I came to probablylittle about a year of being
ready to climb, some dentistsfrom Colorado, his daughter
talked him into going just asalar.
He was older than I would'vebeen.
I said, okay, I'm putting it offone more year after this.
I'm not gonna try, but one moreyear I'm putting it up.
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And he has an advantage.
He lived at 9,500 feet.
Here I am living down, you know,not far above the sea level in
Phoenix.
I hadn't really worked at thatwell.
This time I got myself a trainerfrom Alliances and he was Scott
Marsh.
He has mind and bodystrengthening and he was
wonderful.
I always say that he tailorsyour program to your age,
condition, and.
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He worked me pretty hard, but helet me do things I didn't hate.
I've said that to other people.
When you wanna exercise, choosesomething you like to do.
Yeah.
I mean, this is crazy Jumpingjack thing.
If he'd told me that I'd run, Iwould've, I hated that.
But I, when he did have me doall kinds of elliptical machines
and battling ropes and,treadmills, I don't know what
all and I did that and I workedit into my daily exercise as
(30:16):
well.
So I felt really well, welltrained when I got over there.
Well, we had a week and I didn'tget to spend as much time up
north as I would've, but we didhave a week of safari because I
thought that'll give us a littlechance to get a little bit of
climate in as well as give ussome interesting things to know.
We stated at a camp, what theycall a tent camp, and it rained
(30:39):
for the first time in months,the day that I was there, and I
stepped on a rubber mat and itwent out from under me and I
went crash.
So I got up and I told the man,I said, you know, it might be
real sensible to put in somerails cuz you do have some older
people that come here, And I goton and I went on and I was in
some pain but I was managing.
(31:01):
But then when we began to do theactual climb, I think it was
about the fourth day up, I just,it was getting so I couldn't
stand it out.
Pain was so terrible and I wokemy nephew up in the middle of
the night and I said, you bettersay some prayers for me because
I said, what I need now is notjust a progressive healing, I
need an instant miracle cuz Imean, I have to be able to keep
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my oxygen up.
They're gonna let me climb.
So all the deep breathing pastthe pain that I can do and do,
did it.
And they tested me in the middleof the night and I tested not as
size I'd been, but stillpassable.
Okay.
Yep.
And I kept having to sit down,going up there and he'd say,
well, maybe you ought.
No, I said I, a lot of peopleare counting on me.
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I mean, I had a crew with medoing a documentary.
I said, nobody wants adocumentary of a failed climb.
I have to do this.
And I struggled.
And I struggled.
I finally made it, but it wasnot easy, And when I got home to
my doctor, I found out that Iactually had climbed with three
broken ribs.
(32:05):
Wow.
Three broken ribs.
Bradley Roth (32:08):
That's in That's crazy.
Yeah.
But
Anne Lorimor (32:12):
I did it.
Yeah, I did it.
Yeah.
That was the second time.
That was the record.
But that was the second time.
And now I was, they actually hadto start a new category for me.
He'd always been the oldestwoman and the oldest man.
And of course, the oldest manwas always older than the oldest
woman.
So now they had to gimme notonly the oldest woman, but also
oldest person.
So I think I started a newlittle category there.
give 12 records.
Bradley Roth (32:33):
That's awesome.
If someone else beats it, wouldyou, will you try and do it
again or
Anne Lorimor (32:38):
is that Depends on how I feel.
Yeah.
Heavy.
I don't wanna be stupid aboutit.
Right.
And I'm not quite what I was,but I still go out and hike
every day.
I go out and do my hiking everysingle day.
And I did okay at Machu Picchu.
I wasn't as good as I used tobe, but I'm, I still did it, so,
I dunno.
I'll tell you a joke about it.
When I was there, a man came tome after he got to the hotel,
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after I got down from mysuccessful club and he said, you
know, you beat my client out.
I wanna have my picture withyou.
I said, fine.
So I did.
And he said, and I'm going totake you up when you're a.
Well,
Bradley Roth (33:17):
there you go.
Anne Lorimor (33:18):
So I keep in mind, I mean, don't agree that it's
gonna be, let's see how I feel.
I'm not going to do something.
I know what I can't do.
But no, there was one woman thather husband had climbed years
ago, and so when she heard I wasgonna do it, she looked at me
straight on and she says, myadvice to you is to stay home
But the second time she wasthere meeting me, and she's a
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good friend now, so I waspleased that I succeeded.
That's
Bradley Roth (33:45):
awesome.
Yeah.
I'm sure there was a mutualrespect there with that,
Anne Lorimor (33:48):
but she's wonderful.
She's uh, yeah.
One of the things about myprogram, I've taken kids on
scholarships and the one group Ihad were extremely diverse and
I'm proud of that.
I had two blacks and a PolishAmerican and the Asian, Indian
American, and of Hispanic.
So I had a lovely mixture.
And she works at that.
She got to Martin Luther Kingdiversity award last year.
(34:11):
Oh, that's awesome.
Paradise Valley and I, and we'regoing to meet there next Monday
and have, you know, the usualMartin Luther King luncheon and
I'm really happy about that.
Cause I admire what he did.
Oh.
And as I came through Atlanta onmy way back from my holiday,
they had a wonderful exhibit ofhis life and work in the airport
cuz Atlanta was his city.
(34:32):
Right.
It was just an accident.
And I got that just sort of luckcame to me
Bradley Roth (34:36):
to see it.
That's awesome.
It's funny how things just kindof line up when you do, like,
when you take action, when youmove forward, when you do these
things right.
Like
Anne Lorimor (34:45):
things Yes.
They call it serendipity, don'tthey?
Yes, it does.
Affirmations really helped that.
And I'm meeting with a group ofwonderful women from Paradise
Valley toward the end of themonth to plan our visual vision
boards and our, what we're, whatwe're gonna make accomplish this
year.
And I feel good because I thinkwhen you put it out there, it
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happens.
Yeah.
Hundred you to never, ever quit
Bradley Roth (35:10):
Yeah.
Never quit and get clear aboutwhat you want.
Cause I think of people veryclear.
Yeah.
Because I think a lot of peoplelack clarity in what they want
or they know what they don'twant, you know, but they might
not know exactly what they dowant at times.
And then the
Anne Lorimor (35:23):
universe can't read that.
Well, if you're telling'em whatyou don't want, I tell'em, this
is what I want.
this is the help I wanna give.
These are the kind of people I'mlike, no, I just, and they come.
the people that I've found tohelp have come from other
organizations that help the kindof kids I wanna help and I can
add to what they do.
I can do something different.
Yeah.
Food, clothing, shelter andsafety aren't necessary for all
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kids.
And I know child help is nowover 50 years old, has helped a
lot of kids that way.
But what I hope to do is takesome of the ones and give them a
boost up to let them.
See their options, do the thingsthey really wanna do, live lives
they love, and then give back.
And so we're complimentary.
In no way are we competing.
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That's how
Bradley Roth (36:06):
I feel.
Yeah, I love that.
So how much money was raisedwhen you climbed kil majaro?
Anne Lorimor (36:13):
Not as much as I wanted cuz I'm not a good asker.
We probably got around 20,000.
I put a lot of it, most of it inmyself, and then we used a
little bit of it for thescholarships and that kind of
thing.
But what I would really like isan executive director that will
handle that part of it.
Let me go out and meet thepeople and do the things I enjoy
doing.
Talk about it.
Let somebody else do the askthat gets them the money.
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It's
Bradley Roth (36:36):
something we need to do what we wanna do.
The ask and the marketing andall that goes
Anne Lorimor (36:39):
into it.
That, that kind of thing someoneelse should do.
I'm a visionary.
Yeah.
And I love helping kids andhelping animals.
Well I didn't tell you that.
My family is three generationsof people that wanted to help
people.
Philanthr might call them.
And now my daughter is helpingdogs.
So, and an animals.
So I think, you know, we're fourgenerations now and I think
it'll go on down.
Bradley Roth (36:59):
That's awesome.
It's important
Anne Lorimor (37:01):
that we give to other people.
Bradley Roth (37:03):
A hundred percent.
A hundred percent.
So I have a couple questionsjust about, about that climb,
because so what was the biggestclimb that you had done prior to
Kilimanjaro?
Anne Lorimor (37:16):
I had done Pike's Peak, which is as, you know,
over 14,000 feet.
And I did, I think it was fourother Fourteeners at the time
that I was there doing it.
I wouldn't commit to it.
I said, let's see how I do withthe one.
And then I think, Uhhuh, okay,let's go do it.
So we did.
I don't like snow.
People kept saying, ever isnext, not for me.
I don't really wanna do that.
I don't wanna get caught in anavalanche, and I don't wanna go
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through the snow and freeze myfingers in my nose.
And love to hike and climb.
I can see doing some of theother tall mountains in America,
you know, maybe Whitney and someof those but if I don't, I'm not
gonna feel bad because I've hada wonderful life.
Yeah, and I've done some good Ididn't get a chance to tell you
about some of the good that I'vereally done, but I will tell you
(38:00):
there's a documentary coming outhopefully next year, maybe even
this year, that will talk aboutmy life and my climb and my
organization.
Oh, that's awesome.
So far they're calling it aneverlasting because there will
be everlastings on the mountainas we climb, but that's a
working title.
It can very well change beforeit comes.
Gotcha.
Bradley Roth (38:20):
Well, I'll definitely look forward to that,
but but we're not done yet.
We still you can still talkabout that for sure, but so when
you did climb it the first time,was it easier than you expected?
Harder than you expected aboutwhat you expected?
How did
Anne Lorimor (38:35):
it go The first time I was not as fast as I used
to be, but I still wasn't havingany real tribal trouble until I
think about the third day I got.
Ill, somebody brought, flew tothe group and I had it, and I
was moaning and groaning andagonizing, God.
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And my nephew was saying, oh,come on.
You know, it's only another 30minutes.
Only another 30 minutes.
Wasn't but I was doing sillythings like yelling from my
mother who had never been anyparticular help with climbing or
anything anyway, but I just,there was still that, never,
ever quit feeling in there.
I couldn't quit next morning.
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I woke up and I was okay.
I'd got whatever that thing was,it was a 24 hour flu maybe, but
it was gone.
Yeah.
And so I managed and it wasexciting both times because I'd
look up and see those brightstars and they felt as if they
were down around your ears.
You were so high.
Yeah.
And there of course, we couldsee the southern cross, which
you can't see in thishemisphere.
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And that was exciting.
It was wonderful.
I don't.
and the second time AF with thepain, that was a lot worse.
you had to sit down a lot morethan I did the first time.
Yeah.
But I still managed, I knew thatif you didn't keep breathing, if
you get pneumonia, what theycall walking pneumonia, and it's
even, and now if I'd known I hadbroken ribs, then it filled up
(39:58):
even more because I know thattends to make you not wanna
breathe.
But I just kept doing it anddoing it until I got it up
there.
Bradley Roth (40:04):
Are you almost glad that you didn't know your
ribs were broken?
Like do you think that maybe youwould've quit if you had known
that?
No.
Anne Lorimor (40:11):
No.
I knew I was in excruciatingpain and I knew that I was
struggling.
I, it was astonishing when Ifound it out, but it wouldn't
have stopped me because nowadaysthey don't even strap you for
ribs.
They just tell you, go on.
They probably said, oh no, godown.
Go home and go home.
Don't try it.
They would've said that, butthey wouldn't have had me do
anything at home that I wouldn'thave been doing anyway.
Bradley Roth (40:33):
Right.
Yeah.
Ribs are a tricky one like that,but
Anne Lorimor (40:36):
yeah, they can stab you and stuff and I was
lucky I, none of that happened.
I was careful as I knew how tobe, but it wasn't easy, just the
same.
Bradley Roth (40:44):
So how long was your training period leading up
to the first climb?
Was it a year, six months, morethan that?
No, I
Anne Lorimor (40:50):
had to have done it at least two years because he
put it off a year, remember?
Ok.
So I had to keep on training,but nobody helped me.
I was doing it myself, choosingwhat to do.
Second time, I had eight monthsof training with a wonderful
Scott Marsh, and I still givehim a lot of credit.
I'm not sure that I could havemade that mountain if I hadn't
had his training behind me.
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I'm not sure.
Bradley Roth (41:12):
Gotcha.
That's amazing.
Yeah.
I think it's just a, it's such apowerful thing that people, they
see, like I see people in their,all the time, I see people in
their forties.
Yeah.
Like forties and up.
Even people like in their latethirties are like, oh, you know,
I'm washed up.
I'm past by Prime.
I'm like, I don't do thatanymore.
(41:32):
Right.
I'm sure you see it all the timeand you're probably like, what
are you talking about?
Anne Lorimor (41:36):
And I just think it's ridiculous.
I'm sorry.
I do.
Yeah.
I mean, if it depends on whatmatters to you, but I think it's
silly to give up and what theysay now is sixties, the new
what, 40 or something?
Yep.
So people, some people at leastdo know we can do more than we
thought we could.
When I was a little girl than Iread books.
A man that was 40 and had losthis job just felt like the world
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had ended.
You know?
There's nothing more he couldever do, yet he was all washed
out.
Well, that's not true.
It isn't.
Yeah.
And they're, and they, and Ikeep remembering people like
some of the French writers thatwrote in their eighties and
things like that, you know, wayback then.
Yeah.
So you don't have to quit andbut what I think is still
important, choose something thatyou really love.
(42:18):
I love the saying that if you dowhat you love, you never work a
day in your life.
Yep.
Isn't that great?
Yeah.
Bradley Roth (42:27):
It's one of those cliches they hear all the time,
but it's so true.
Anne Lorimor (42:30):
Well, somebody said it first and I don't know
who it was, and I really likeit, Yeah.
Because it isn't just a cliche,it has a lot of meaning.
If you really think about it.
Bradley Roth (42:42):
Well, I found most, most cliches that you hear
all the time, like eventuallyyou understand that there's a
lot of truth to them.
So
Anne Lorimor (42:50):
I'm not as much against cliches as most
journalists are because I dothink you're right that often
you encapsulates some speculate,something that was very true.
Bradley Roth (42:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.
A lot of times I'll hear'em orI've heard'em when I was younger
and I was like, ah, whatever.
And then now like I'll hear'emagain and I'll be like, it
clicks.
I'm like, there is a lot oftruth and wisdom to those
cliches, most of'em.
So
Anne Lorimor (43:11):
I've written a couple of children's books,
which haven't been published.
But they do have a lot of thingsthat sound familiar, but I think
kids like that kind of thing.
I think it somehow and some ofit isn't as familiar to them as
it is to us anyway.
Yeah.
So I didn't try to just beabsolutely, totally different
(43:33):
and interesting and, you know,every word I wrote to who I
thought was my audience.
Bradley Roth (43:39):
Yeah.
I love that.
So yeah, I think it's a greatexample that you set, like
hopefully people listening tothis, cuz I think everyone just
about everyone is guilty at somepoint in their life saying, I'm
too old for this, or I'm tooyoung.
To do that.
You know what I mean?
And so it's just I think storiesand examples like yours are
super important for people outthere.
Anne Lorimor (44:01):
Shall I repeat my little saying?
Which is it's never too early tostart and it's never too late to
learn and grow.
And I really believe that I Imean, I was on the ship, they
had some musicians and most ofthose kids were their violin
strings violins, bass, all that.
They had started at four orfive.
(44:24):
Wow.
Obviously their parent sawsomething in them and then
helped them.
Mm-hmm.
But, you know, it's just nevertoo early to start.
Bradley Roth (44:32):
Yeah.
Or I saw a few years ago,there's a guy named Caleb
Maddox.
He actually is in theScottsdale, Phoenix area, and he
was a self-made millionaire by13, you know, and I remember he
spoke.
Yeah.
And I looked and I was like,man, okay.
Like, I'm not too young.
Cause at the time I was in, youknow, my mid twenties and I was
like, oh, like everyone, I,everyone who's successful in
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business is older than me and,you know, those kinds of things.
And then I saw that and I waslike, all right, that's, I
gotta, you know, get rid of thatlimiting belief.
But I think a lot of it, right,we like aging.
A lot of it is people thinkabout it physically slowing
down, but I feel like the peoplewho slowed.
Are the ones who lack some sortof goal or something that
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they're working towards.
Right.
So for you, Kilimanjaro, thatwas like a very clear goal that
you could move towards and youdid it in your late eighties.
But I think a lot of people,they, you know, they go to
college, they get their career,they get married, they have
kids, and then it's like, okay,I hit all the check marks and
I'm comfortable in my career.
And then they don't find thatnext thing.
(45:35):
They don't find the thing thatlike keeps them moving and
evolving and moving lookingforward.
And I think that is, in myopinion, the like, would you
agree that the biggest thingthat you know, slows people down
Anne Lorimor (45:48):
even beyond that?
You know, thores saying that themajority of men lead lives of
quiet desperation.
And I think that's true.
A lot of'em wouldn't even admitit to themselves, but I don't
think they need to.
I think you need to find whatyou really love and go for it.
Yeah.
Bradley Roth (46:06):
Yeah, a hundred percent I think.
Anne Lorimor (46:08):
And it's out there.
If you set your goals and put itout to the universe and go
toward it, you can have it.
Bradley Roth (46:14):
Yeah.
It's not gonna come to youprobably exactly when you won it
or exactly how you won it.
But one way or another you'll
Anne Lorimor (46:22):
end up there.
And you remember that I put bothtimes, I had to put it off a
year.
some people would've gottendiscouraged and never done it.
I said, Nope, I'm doing this
Bradley Roth (46:31):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
Yeah.
A lot of people get thingspushed off by like a week and
they're like, oh, forget aboutit.
It's, you know, So it's uh, andthat's sad
Anne Lorimor (46:39):
if there's, it's something they really want.
I remember when I was teachingjournalism, one boy said to me,
well, they told me that I'dnever make it in journalism, so
I decided to take another field.
Well, I thought, well, if youare that easily discouraged,
then you should take anotherfield.
Cause in journalism you have topush Yeah.
Bradley Roth (46:58):
You gotta be tough.
That's what, yeah.
Anne Lorimor (47:00):
Well, and you gotta be willing to carry on in
the face of adversity.
And naysay and all those otherthings that people give you.
Bradley Roth (47:07):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I mean, I think that's whatmakes not most people, like even
podcasting, like 90% ofpodcasters.
Oh, thank you.
I like your title
Anne Lorimor (47:19):
very much.
Not Most People Podcast.
Thank you.
I hope you like the one aboutthe Women who Push the Limits.
I like that title that's on thebooks that I told you about for
sure.
Do you wanna see the book again?
Sure.
Yeah.
Bradley Roth (47:32):
Tell me a little about
Anne Lorimor (47:33):
that.
Women Who Push the Limitspresents 50 Life Lessons from
Inspiring Women, and there are50 women in there, and I'm one
of'em, and we've each writtenour own chapter and the editor
has put it all together.
And we had a meeting and I feltexcited to get there, meet some
of those women, and sees thethings that they're doing.
Every one of us in our own waydoes something that's not quite,
(47:56):
was within the normal waymoth,and I love that.
I think it's a book that peoplewill enjoy.
Yeah.
And even when I took it on thetrip with me, a couple of women
bought it from me.
Either that I was in theirtrivia year, So I felt good
about that.
Yeah.
When did that come out?
It came out in 50.
(48:16):
Oh, what are we saying?
20 20 22.
2022.
Just last year.
Okay.
It was just before I did myMachu Picchu climb.
But the, my trip I just got backfrom, I did it after Christmas
and over New Years from in theCaribbean.
Gotcha.
I was happy to show people thatbook cuz I think there are a lot
of exciting and inspiring thingsin there.
Bradley Roth (48:36):
I will, I'll have to get that book because I'm
sure many women in there wouldmake great guests for this show,
so
Anne Lorimor (48:44):
I'm sure they would.
It's available from Amazon now.
I gave them the advantage that Ihad it autographed by the
publisher, the editor, I mean,and by me So they won't get
that, but they'll still get allthe good of the book.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
I was excited when I went to.
Alliances not long ago.
(49:04):
I had the book with me and oneman wanted it, so he got it and
he's gonna put it up on hisshelf with an autographed copy
of Pride, the Beloved Country byAlon Peyton.
I mean, I feel so that's aclassic, you know, from
mid-century.
And so if I get to be on thatsame shelf, I'm gonna feel
Bradley Roth (49:19):
good.
That's awesome.
Congratulations.
Do you see yourself ever writingyour own book?
Yes.
Yes.
Anne Lorimor (49:27):
I have written one that I'm calling stories from My
Life where it was withStoryWorth and I answered their
question and just wrote achapter about each question.
But I would like to do a totalmemoir, which will be, because
what I have to say, nobody elsehas had exactly the same
experience.
And so it will be interesting topeople in a historical sense,
and I would like to do that.
Bradley Roth (49:48):
Yeah, that would be awesome.
Anne Lorimor (49:50):
I just got something online right now.
Five Benefits of Giving.
If you go to my creatingexciting futures.org, it can be
ordered from there downloadedand it just talks about five
benefits of giving.
Cause I really believe there arebenefits and I used to feel
guilty about it cuz I thought Iget so much pleasure outta
helping people, you know, Ishould be doing it for an
(50:10):
altruistic reason.
I don't see any harm at all intaking pleasure in the giving
that you do.
I used to.
Not at all.
I don't anymore.
take it in and realize you getbenefits.
They get benefits.
Yeah.
Bradley Roth (50:23):
Win-win.
It's amazing.
Exactly.
So.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So you just climbed MachuPicchu, which is another, you
know, maybe not quite aKilimanjaro, but still kind of a
pretty monumental experience.
So what was that like?
And then what's kind of next onthe horizon?
Is there any other big goals onyour mind right now?
Anne Lorimor (50:46):
The Inca Trail is one of the five most hiked
trails in the world.
I didn't do it all, but we didquite a lot of it.
Machu Picchu, of course, has allthose wonderful old historical
and spiritual aspects, which Ienjoyed.
I wanna go back, the gal thatwas with me, who was doing the
documentary has had a fall sinceshe is probably a third of my
(51:09):
age and she's really hurting.
We were supposed to go back.
I'm not sure how fast we'll dothat now.
Yes.
I haven't decided exactly, I doplan to do an parachute of an
airplane.
I didn't wanna do that whilethere was a chance of breaking
myself up and not doing the biggo And then I'm thinking very
seriously.
(51:29):
I would love to go to Spain anddo the Sant de Campillo.
Pilgrimage, I think it's justabout 500 miles.
And would not do as fast as someother people, but I think I
could do it in a couple ofmonths.
So Wow.
It's on my mind and if I do, Iwanna do it again to try to
promote the cause and get somecon contributions for it.
And
Bradley Roth (51:50):
yeah.
We'll do, it's a lot of thingsout there.
Yeah.
I, there's endless things thatyou can do, right.
And yeah.
If you do, but I
Anne Lorimor (51:58):
am gonna I'm gonna wanna like some Bradley, I don't
wanna do it unless I like some,
Bradley Roth (52:03):
right.
Yeah.
I think that's an importantthing too.
I think and it's something I'vethought about is a lot of people
try to convince themselves thatthey like something or force
themselves to do things a lot.
And you know, obviously there'sthings that you're always gonna
have to do some things that youdon't want to do, but like, big
picture wise, it's reallyimportant to like, find your
thing, like what you said withexercise, if you hate it.
(52:26):
every minute of it.
Like for me, I hate running likeI'm a power athlete strong, but
I hate running.
Like if you tell me I gotta runevery day, like I'm probably not
gonna stick with it very long.
Right.
But if you give, that's exactlyit.
Yeah.
But if you gimme somethingthat's kind of more in my
wheelhouse that's fun at thesame time, like you're just
gonna find so much more successthrough that than you would
(52:48):
otherwise.
So
Anne Lorimor (52:49):
it, it's really not hard for me to hike every
day cuz I enjoy it.
And I like swimming, but I gottaget back to that.
I'm getting my pool resurfacedso that I can start that up
again.
And yeah.
Of those things I'll enjoy it.
Just the world's full ofbeautiful things and I don't, I
wanna keep myself up and keepmyself happy, but also I wanna
keep on giving to people.
(53:11):
And making them happy.
There.
There's a little poem that ithangs up on my fireplace wall
and it says, let me live in ahouse by the side of the road
and be a friend to man.
I like that.
I really like that.
Bradley Roth (53:24):
Yeah.
It's another one where the beauthe beauty is in the simplicity
of it, I think.
Exactly.
Anne Lorimor (53:29):
Exactly.
Yeah.
I do like simplicity, I alwayshave.
Bradley Roth (53:34):
Yeah.
It's funny as I, you know, Imean, I'm 31, but I feel like,
especially in the last couple ofyears I crave simplicity more
and more.
Like we live in a increasinglycomplex, fast paced world, and
I'm like, man sometimes we justwant the simple things, you
know?
And
Anne Lorimor (53:50):
sometimes the people that have these horribly
complex driven worlds, if theycan just take a while off a
couple times a year, that willhelp them a great deal.
Just, yeah, I mean, go up intothe woods.
For me, nature's always spoken.
And if I can just go up thereand just take it on this
holiday, I didn't think aboutanything at home.
I just thought, you know, Ican't do a thing about it.
(54:12):
I'm gonna enjoy every minuteEarth.
And I did.
Yeah I love the ocean.
Arizona has so much themountains, the deserts, the
rivers, the lakes, but we don'thave the ocean.
And so that, I really enjoy whenI get it.
Bradley Roth (54:25):
Yeah.
I hear you on that.
Yeah, if you're, if I'm back inArizona when you decide to do
it, I'll let me know.
I'll go skydiving with you cuzI, I've went once before, but I
want to go again.
So,
Anne Lorimor (54:36):
well, you know that they have this training
class out there, the Belgianmilitary comes in every year and
does it well twice a year.
And my nephew handles it forthem.
Really?
So, yes.
Yes.
Let's do that.
I mean, I will have toundoubtedly do it in tandem with
somebody and we get out thereand do it for myself, but that's
good enough.
That's all a lot of people everdo.
And I was thinking I could bemaybe the oldest person, but
(54:59):
then the first George Bush didit when he was 92.
So I have to work at it a littleYep.
Do it long enough to, you know,be the suck the red hard again.
Yeah.
Bradley Roth (55:10):
There you go.
That's within reach though.
You could do that.
Of
Anne Lorimor (55:12):
course.
It is.
It, yeah.
And as I said, I didn't wanna doit before going, because people
do fall and hurt themselves andI don't, I wouldn't do it if I
thought I were going to, but onthe other hand, I a chance when
I had a mountain to climb.
Yeah.
So it really was kind of ironicthat I fell at the foot of the
mountain after I'd been socareful.
Bradley Roth (55:31):
Yeah.
Right.
Life has a funny way of doingthat, but yeah.
So with with your foundation,one thing that you said that
kind of stood out to me was yousaid you're trying to give kids
a hand up, not a handout.
Right.
Was that some Yeah, exactly.
You.
That
Anne Lorimor (55:48):
I, Want to give things kids things so that they
feel entitled and all that.
What I wanna do is let them knowthat there are those options and
there are possibilities forthem.
I mean, kids see television, butthat's the fairytale.
And here I am who really washomeless and poor and all those
(56:08):
things, and I've managed to makea decent life for myself.
Yeah.
And also to be able to give someback.
So I want to get that to them.
And some of my kids have reallyalready, they have such good
histories about things thatthey've done and I feel good
about it.
And so I wanna get somebody tobe a coordinator to volunteers
that'll bring in volunteers sothey can get the same good
(56:30):
feelings about helping other.
And also at the same time, givethose kids a boost to where they
wanna go.
I remember one time in Chicago,way back, I don't know, probably
sixties, they started saying, ifyou don't have a high school
education and if you getwelfare, you've got to get a G E
D.
So they had people go to schoolto get their checks.
(56:50):
They had to somehow be workingtoward their degree.
And actually some people thathave been on welfare for four
generations got off.
They were so proud of themselvesand I was singing, this is
wonderful.
And then all the people came andsaid, no, everybody deserves a
living.
You have no right to demandanything from, and I heard they
(57:11):
stopped the program and that wasso.
So I'm the opposite.
I say, ha help people when theyneed it.
Yeah.
Everybody needs to boost itsometime in their lives, but
don't get'em depending on it andfeeling like, this is how it is.
You gotta give me my money tolive.
No.
Right.
I'm gonna teach you how to getmoney to live and enjoy it if I
can't.
Right.
Bradley Roth (57:32):
Yeah.
It's the whole teaching Amandafish instead of giving him a
fish.
Exactly.
Mentality.
Anne Lorimor (57:36):
Exactly what it is.
I always love that old.
Bradley Roth (57:39):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I love that.
And that's, it's something thatI want to do with, you know, not
most people in the future iskind of have a similar you know,
foundation that focuses oneducation for kids and personal
development and that kind ofstuff.
So we'll have to we'll have totalk more about that and maybe
there's ways we can collaborate.
I got some events coming up,that sort of thing, so, yeah.
(58:00):
So we'll have to talk more, manyways that it
Anne Lorimor (58:02):
can
Bradley Roth (58:02):
be done.
Yes, I definitely, yeah.
So,
Anne Lorimor (58:05):
let'em just watch for the documentary and watch
for the book.
I mean, I probably will publishthe stories from my life.
That's not the big thing.
That's the one that's I've donefor the family.
And I think it'll still tellpeople some interesting things,
but I wanna do one that really.
pulls it all together and makesa good book out of it.
Like I
Bradley Roth (58:23):
love that.
Yeah.
I'm looking forward to that.
So I know you the book, you gotthe documentary coming out at
some point, but where else canpeople find you, social media,
website?
What's the best way to, to reachyou or to learn more about the
foundation and all that?
Anne Lorimor (58:38):
If they Google and Laura Moore, they're gonna get
eight pages.
I was astonished myself when Isaw that there's some where I've
been interviewed for the mediaand, people have done some
podcasts and various otherthings and people that are
interested in what I'm doing.
Should go.
Yeah.
And take a look.
Just Google and Lamore get youstarted.
I do have a, my own website, Imean my own Facebook and more
(59:01):
and more.
And there's also one creatingExciting Futures.
And then I'm in on the others.
I'm on alliances sometimes, thenI'm on women who push the limit,
you know, lots of others.
if they get started, it'll sortof refer'em to the others if
they really want moreinformation.
Bradley Roth (59:15):
Okay.
And then I'm sure people, I knowa lot of podcasters listen to
podcasts and so are you open togoing on other podcasts if
people reach out and ask you?
Anne Lorimor (59:27):
Oh, I have.
I was on one recently, numberseven of Amazing Arizonans, and
he took a long time talking tome and I thought he gave a
pretty good picture of my lifeand my cause.
So somebody might wanna look atthat.
Amazing Arizonans episode numberseven.
It's on YouTube.
Yeah.
Bradley Roth (59:42):
Okay.
Yeah.
I'm saying also people mightwanna have you as a guest.
I know a lot of people who havetheir own podcasts, who I'm sure
would love to interview you andmaybe give you some more
exposure for the foundation andall that.
Happy
Anne Lorimor (59:54):
to talk with them.
But I'm just saying that was onewhere I was a guest.
Where?
Where said Amazing.
Arizonas and I was episodenumber seven in This Sky Is a
that I said he did a good job ofit.
Yeah.
Told a lot about what
Bradley Roth (01:00:06):
was going on.
Awesome.
Well, this has been a lot offun.
I've learned a lot.
But I wanna ask you, before weclose it out, do you have any
kinda last thoughts or words ofwisdom to share with the
audience?
Anne Lorimor (01:00:20):
I will just give you my three little maxims that
I think say most of what I wannasay.
First of all, keep yourself fitand healthy in mind, body, and
spirit.
Second, get deeply involved in acause greater than yourself.
One that appeals to you.
(01:00:41):
And then finally, when you'vefound your focus.
Never ever quit, but pivot whennecessary.
Thumbs it up.
Bradley Roth (01:00:50):
Wow.
I love that.
That's a great way to wrap itup.
I think those are, again wesimplicity's been a theme.
They're very simple, but youfollow those three things, I
think you're gonna be in prettygood shape.
So, and thank you so much forcoming on the show today.
This is one that I've beenexcited for a long time and it
did not disappoint, so I'm surewe'll be in touch beyond the
(01:01:11):
podcast.
And once again, thank you forcoming on and sharing your
wisdom and experience.
Anne Lorimor (01:01:16):
Thank you for having me, and I'll certainly
hope we do touch spaces in thefuture.
Bradley Roth (01:01:21):
Definitely.
So that does it for today, guys.
Thank you for tuning in.
If you wanna check out more ofwhat Anne's got going on, we'll
have info for you in the shownotes.
Or like she said, just Googleher name, But again, my one ask,
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someone, especially maybesomeone who, you know, needs to
find that focus in life or.
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probably an episode that couldmake a big difference in their
life.
So please share with them andagain, if you have a left review
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So that's it guys.
Thank you for tuning in.
We'll see you in the next one.
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Hey everyone.
Welcome back to another episodeof the Not Most People podcast.
This is your host, Bradley, andthis is the show for those
allergic to mediocrity groupthink and following the status
quo.
And before we get into today'sepisode, which I know I, I say
I'm excited about, just aboutevery guest, but this one is
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(00:50):
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But before we get into that, Iwould just like to remind you
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So that's my one ask if you wantto leave a review.
I would also be greatlyappreciative of that.
And then we got a lot of coolstuff going on with not most
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And to learn about all of that,you can go ahead and check the
(01:55):
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So that's it for housekeeping.
We're gonna get right intotoday's episode.
I have a very special guest, AnnLaura Moore, and welcome to the
show.
Thank you.
Anne Lorimor (02:06):
I'm glad to
Bradley Roth (02:06):
be here.
Awesome.
So I'll give you guys a quick,well, I'll try to make it quick.
She has quite a resume, but Annewas born in the middle of the
Great Depression as the oldestof 10 children.
And despite growing up somewhatpoor, she went on to earn a
bachelor's in journalism, abachelor's in nursing, became a
registered nurse, a master's incounseling, a master's in health
(02:28):
education, and a PhD in masscommunications.
So very impressive there rightoff the bat.
But in addition to.
In the early eighties, she wasdiagnosed with lymphoma.
She managed to beat it.
We're gonna talk about that cuzthat's kind of an interesting
story there.
And then in 2015, and this isprobably what she's most
publicly known for at 85 shesummited Mount Kilimanjaro in
(02:51):
Africa.
It's the highest peak in Africa,and it's the highest single
free-standing mountain in theworld.
She became the oldest person todo it, but then someone beat her
record.
So she decided she had to takeit back and climbed it again at
the age of 89.
Took her nine days and made herthe oldest person to climb Mount
Kilimanjaro.
(03:11):
And her motivation for that wasraising money for her nonprofit
foundation, creating excitingfutures, which seeks to help
every child be able to fulfilltheir full potential.
In addition to that, sherecently climbed Machu Picchu
and has also been to over 100countries.
So, This is one where I waslike, okay, this might be a Joe
Rogan episode.
I have so many questions.
(03:32):
It could go two, three hours.
We'll see how it goes.
But I wanna start off with thebeginning.
So oldest of 10 children.
I'm the oldest of four.
My parents both grew up inmassive families.
My dad was one of nine, my momwas one of 17.
But I want to ask, do you feelthat being the oldest of 10 had
anything to do with kind of thatsense of ambition or that indi
(03:56):
independent spirit that you seemto have?
Anne Lorimor (04:01):
I'm not sure that being the oldest did that, but
it certainly gave me a lot ofresponsibility and so I had to
think about ways to handle thatand still get on and do what I
wanted to do.
Bradley Roth (04:12):
Yeah, I know, it's just interesting.
I was reading there's this bookcalled The Birth Order Book that
I came across recently, and ittalks about how.
your birth order, like being theoldest or a middle child or the
youngest or only child, tends toaffect kind of personalities and
the oldest child tends to be themost kind of independent and
like leaders and a type and thatkind of stuff.
(04:33):
So I was just wondering if thatplayed into that being the
oldest and having that sense oflike, I don't almost being a
leader amongst your siblings oranything like that.
Well, I
Anne Lorimor (04:43):
certainly didn't know about the research at that
time, but I definitely did feelthat I led them a lot at the
time.
Yeah, I, when I climb now, I sayI'm not setting any speed
records, only age records, butwhen I was younger I was the
leader of the pack and I liked
Bradley Roth (05:00):
that.
Awesome.
So did you always feel driven todo a lot because that's a lot of
degrees that you earned.
Was that all kind of at once orwere they spread out throughout
your life or were, did you justlove learning?
What was the kind of motivationbehind all that?
Anne Lorimor (05:18):
I always loved learning, but I didn't certainly
think I was gonna have a lot ofdegrees.
I, I, even when I was a littlegirl, I thought I was going to
college.
But then when I was about 15, Iread something that said you had
to be very intelligent to go tocollege.
And I thought, I told myteacher, well that washes me
out.
And she said, no, you're notgonna have any problem.
(05:40):
So I went on doing what I'dintended to do all the time.
I do believe that it'simportant.
Our family was always important.
And so I wanted to see the bestpossible for them.
And in a number of times in mylife, I've helped them out when
I thought it would be useful.
when my mother was off on herown when I was still in my early
twenties, I got her a cowbecause they didn't have enough
(06:03):
to eat and they lived in thecountry thought, well, this will
help them at least have somefood.
And so things like thathappened.
Yeah I'm very fond of mybrothers and sisters and I'm
proud of every one of them, youknow?
Spite of a very backward start.
There's not a one of'em thatended up in prison and every one
of'em own ended up owning theirown home and know many things
that I'm proud of.
Bradley Roth (06:24):
That's awesome.
So they kind of followed in yourfootsteps a little bit in some
ways,
Anne Lorimor (06:27):
sounds like.
But you did say that I was inthe middle of depression.
Not true.
I was born at the beginning ofthe depression, and I suffered
the whole thing and ours didn'tend when other peoples did.
I think we were still sort ofdepressed, even at the end of
the war, so.
Bradley Roth (06:43):
Wow.
So you've seen a lot of these,yeah.
You've seen a lot of thesecycles and ups and downs in
society since then, so, yes.
I could ask you like what do youthink about what's going on now
in the world and stuff, butthat's, I don't wanna get too
off topic, so I wanna know.
Good I wanna know.
So you have bachelor's injournalism, nursing, you know,
other degrees in healtheducation, counseling.
(07:04):
What was, did you have like amain career after going to.
Anne Lorimor (07:10):
I did a number of things in the various fields
that I had when I startedcollege.
I was sent to a small religiouscollege that didn't have any
accreditation, and I always feltI wanted to get somewhere and I
better give myself everyadvantage possible.
So I get accepted by theUniversity of Cincinnati, and
I'd lived there for a year andsupported myself totally.
(07:31):
But they said, oh, you're not aresident.
Your parents are a resident inArizona.
And I'd been supporting myselfand everything else, so I just
couldn't do it.
So then I said, okay, thenursing opportunity came along.
I got a full ride scholarship.
So I said, well, it'll be a goodbackup for me.
It wasn't what I intended to do.
My aunt was a nurse and mymother was a teacher.
And those were the two thingsthat women thought about in
(07:53):
those days.
Right.
And I thought about both of'em,but I decided on teaching and it
took a long time to get there.
So, and as for the counseling,that was even later because I
had been away for a while livingoverseas and doing other kinds
of things, and I wanted toreally counsel people.
So I started to do social workthat was filled.
(08:13):
So there was counseling soundedabout the same, and I signed up
for it and did it.
Bradley Roth (08:18):
Wow, that's interesting.
My mom will probably listen tothis episode and she just went
back to school in her latefifties and she just started out
her career as a counselor.
So that's kinda interesting.
But good for
Anne Lorimor (08:29):
her.
Oh, a lot.
People scared me a lot.
They said, oh, you know, youcan't do it.
Somebody'll sue you.
And it did get slowed down, butit never got totally stopped.
Yeah,
Bradley Roth (08:38):
I think that's an important lesson.
Right.
But so coming out, did you workas a nurse for a while or did
you work mainly as a.
or a little bit of both.
Anne Lorimor (08:47):
I've done both.
Yeah.
I worked as a teacher while Iwas getting I'm sorry, as a
nurse, while I was getting readyto go back to college, wanted
creative writing, he didn't haveit, so I thought journalism was
the next best thing.
at the same time.
I had my RN at that time, but Ithought, well, let's have a
backup.
I mean, I'm, there's nobody tosupport me.
I don't have a big family behindme or a foundation or anything
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else.
I have to do it on my own.
So I did the double major of theBS in nursing and the AB and
journalism.
Bradley Roth (09:13):
Gotcha.
So the journalism, did you everdirectly go into that or become
a journalist?
Anne Lorimor (09:19):
Not really.
Yeah.
I've used it in everything I'vedone, I think.
Yeah.
Because I did a number ofthings, like when I worked for
Red Cross, it was helpful in myreports.
And I worked I got a, just a aninternship done in Los Angeles,
and again, I felt that thejournalism helped in the
reports, it was with the healthdepartment, and I felt that
journalism was very helpful inexpressing
Bradley Roth (09:37):
myself.
Yeah, one of, one of thosedegrees that I think develops a
lot of those soft skills thattranslates into a lot of other
things.
Communication, you know, rightnow communication is one of the
most valuable skills on theplanet.
So I'm sure that came in handy,but I wanna know it cuz I look
at I see a little bit of thisearly life, right?
All your education, your earlylife with your family.
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And then I know a lot of therecent stuff climbing, kil,
manjaro, but I'm kind of curiousabout like that gap in between,
you know, like say from yourtwenties to your fifties or
sixties.
You know, were you hiking, wereyou always active?
Were you doing lots of differentthings?
I know that's an open
Anne Lorimor (10:20):
question very clearly, I've never been a
professional climber, but Ialways.
worked to exercise into my lifebecause I thought that if you
feel good, you can do everythingbetter.
I got the master's degreebecause somebody I'd babysat for
had got a master's in healtheducation.
It fit well with the journalismand that's what where I went,
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worked for Red Cross quite awhile after that one, and then
I.
I never said, this is my career.
I never said that this is whatI'm doing now and I'm enjoying
it and I'm helping people, but Iwant to go back and get my PhD.
And so my advisor as anundergrad had steered me onto
some places where there weregood programs and I applied
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actually, and I was accepted byall three, which is amazing to
me.
So I chose the one that had herprofessor and that I thought was
very good program.
That was in Wisconsin.
And the fun things happenedthere too.
I belonged to the yacht clubthere for a little while and
just some fun things happened.
Bradley Roth (11:23):
So at what point in your life was that?
What age were you when thathappened?
Anne Lorimor (11:27):
I think that I was just in my early thirties when I
started my PhD.
Oh, okay.
Gotcha.
I spent the rest of the time,I'd worked, as I told you, as a
nurse, and I'd worked for RedCross.
Doing some of those things.
And then later on.
I taught.
After I got my PhD, I wentoverseas to Spain and got my
certificate in Spanish studiesand spent some years traveling
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around there.
And then I got hired from overthere and started teaching and
did it for a number of years andWow.
Enjoyed it very much.
Bradley Roth (11:57):
So you taught in Spain,
Anne Lorimor (11:58):
English is second language, yes.
Okay.
It is how I supported myself.
Bradley Roth (12:02):
Oh, very cool.
So what was that like livingoverseas?
Cause I think that's anexperience that not a lot of
people have had.
I know we just traveled my wifeand I overseas and I feel like
you learned so much.
And what was that like for you?
Did that change the rest of yourlife after
Anne Lorimor (12:15):
that?
I already had a pretty broadview of things cuz I had been in
18 states by the time I was fiveyears old.
We were just travelers, but itwas wonderful.
I, I love Spain.
The people there had such asense of self and self pride in
things.
I liked them so much and theytaught me some of their dances
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and I got to see some of theirmuseums.
And when I was teaching in theInstitute for north American
Studies.
I never saw a place, have somany holidays as a Spain.
Religious holidays, secularholidays, and every kind, every
time there was a holiday, Itraveled somewhere.
So I didn't come home.
A lot of the kids that know Isaid, I'm going home later, but
now I'm gonna see everything Ican.
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And I saw a lot of Europe, that,you know, Portugal and France
and Germany and all over ofcourse, a lot of Spain.
Bradley Roth (13:08):
Wow.
It's funny cuz that reminds meof, we were in Albania recently,
and they were like, yeah, we,the joke in Albania is like,
they don't, there's no officialreligion, so they just, every
religions, holidays, it's like aday off for everyone.
So they have all these days offfor Hanukkah, for Christmas, for
like, you know, you name it.
So they're like we love all thereligions because we get days
off of work and stuff like that.
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So that's kind of funny, but butone thing that I noticed you
said that I think is subtle, butreally important is you said, I
never really, you know, said,oh, this is my career.
It's what I'm doing now.
Right.
So did you kind of have thatmindset of like, I'm not gonna
just do one thing forever.
I'm going to continue to learnand evolve and try different
things.
Anne Lorimor (13:50):
I always wanted to learn.
I have a little motto that saysit's never too early to start
and it's never too late to learnand grow.
But what I meant by the career Iwanted was teaching in college.
And I had been told in Berkeleythat maybe I could teach in a
women's college, somebody thatit was all possibly be available
for me.
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Well, things began to change andI'm so happy that my nieces and
grand nieces and all haveopportunities I didn't have.
But what I really wanted to dowas teach in college.
And I did that until they becameill.
Gotcha.
Something that I felt that kindof was my career.
Gotcha.
But after that, then I came andwas a health inspector for the
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state of Arizona in the healthdepartment.
Cause that was, I had a goodbackground for that.
Good for the reporting and goodfor the knowledge of it.
And I did that until I retired.
Oh
Bradley Roth (14:39):
wow.
So I guess now I understand yourfoundation is very focused on
helping kids and a lot of thatprobably comes from being a
teacher for so long and allthat, and just being around kids
and watching them learn and thatkind of experience.
Anne Lorimor (14:53):
Well, let me tell you some of the experiences that
did lead to my being especiallyinterested in kids.
When I was in grad school,again, I was working my way with
help for an assistantship and Iwas a nanny for a professor.
And those little kids, there wasthe little three year old, he
said, talk to me about likethings, for example, Italian
(15:14):
cars.
He talk about Ferrari andLamborghini and other rats.
And I just, the open mouth, youknow, they know so much Uhhuh,
and I read to them every night.
They had a stack of books youwouldn't believe, and I'd just
read to them every night,something.
So they were getting all kindsof expansive opportunities.
But then when I'd go home,During the holidays, my mother
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lived in a not very affluentarea and down the street from
her, some of her church memberslived and there was a mother and
father and twin boys that livedin a house no bigger than the
professor's living room.
And in that house I didn't see asingle book.
And they were bright littleboys.
I just said, somebody's gottalevel this point field.
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These kids deserve a chance.
Yeah.
So I worked at it and I alwayshad done volunteer work for the,
I did Salvation Army Meals.
I served while I was inundergrad.
And I still do all kinds ofthings to help kids.
Family promise, which helpstransitional homeless and I, the
work that I'm so proud of and mychurch has, they, they take
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people who are maybe the kindthat live paycheck to paycheck
and they have maybe one of'emloses a job.
Excuse me.
Bradley Roth (16:33):
No worries.
Anne Lorimor (16:39):
So, or there's a catastrophic illness and all of
a sudden they're out in thestreet.
So this organization houses themin churches a week at a time,
and they give them use access toa telephone, access to a
computer, and they give'em anaddress.
And I heard a joke about thatand I say it's a lot easier to
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find a job if you can say, thisis my dress than I'm living
under the secondary, outside thecity limits.
And so this is offered to them,and I help with that.
I stay overnight, be the hostingthing.
I help serve meals, few thingslike that.
And I liked them, particularlybecause they're one of the few
shelters in the state ofArizona, maybe a whole lot of
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other states that takes care ofthe pets.
I am, I love animals,particularly dogs.
And they told me that peoplewould come there out on the
street and they'd offer'em aplace.
They said, but you can't keepyour dog.
And they'd say, well, we won'tstay there.
We go back on the street.
Well, now it's not ideal.
They have great big cages wherethe dogs are, but the dogs are
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exercise.
There's somebody on duty 24hours a day, and people get to
visit their dogs.
And so I'm just, it's justsomething that makes me so
happy.
Yeah.
Bradley Roth (17:53):
That's awesome.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I wanna to, I wanna talk moreabout the foundation, but it, I
wanna come back to it becauseit's ties into something I wanna
bring up later.
But but I love that story.
We'll get into that more, but Iwant to ask you about when you
were diagnosed with lymphoma.
I think it, you said it was theeighties, early eighties.
Yes.
When that happened.
Yeah.
How old were you
Anne Lorimor (18:14):
for that?
I would've been in my earlyfifties.
Early fifties I got a diseasethat usually only men over 50
got.
But I got it.
Anyway,
Bradley Roth (18:24):
just lucky, huh?
Anne Lorimor (18:25):
Yeah, just lucky.
And I, so I asked my doctor whatmy chances were.
and he told me I had about a 50%chance of being alive in a year.
I said, Uhuh, I'm gonna be here.
Yeah.
And so I did everything he toldme, but then I said to him, now,
may I do all these other things?
I did biofeedback and I didmeditation, and I did exercise
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and everything I could think ofto help myself.
Cause I said, obviously I wasn'tdoing it right or this wouldn't
have happened.
I was under a lot of stress.
it was a, I was the very firstwoman that had ever been in that
particular organization.
And I, you know, it was hardbecause Yeah.
You got enough to overcome justteaching in a new place without
being teaching as a woman in anew place where you're har
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aren't horribly well accepted.
So anyway I got through it.
Yeah.
And I, I say now that I am not asurvivor, I am a victor.
Bradley Roth (19:18):
I love that.
And I find it so interestingbecause you said you were doing
meditation visualization, thesethings that aren't widely
prescribed for people who havecancer.
Or at least, you know, maybetoday it's starting to become a
little bit more known, but wasthat considered pretty, like
kind of woo-hoo, or,
Anne Lorimor (19:35):
Oh, I'm sure it was.
Yeah.
But I read a book called I thinkit was Medicine Miracles by
Bernie Siegel, and I certainlytook that to heart.
And I read about a woman who hadanother kind of cancer, but she
absolutely did all the things Iwas doing and some more.
And she came through and Ithought, I and I believe in
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prayer and there were people allover the place praying for me
too.
And I certainly accepted everybit of that.
And I just felt like I've got todo this.
Took me a while.
I was not my usual health,healthy, vibrant self, I can
promise you.
And I took their chemotherapybecause I said, what I did, it
hasn't worked.
I've got to give myself a boost,then I'm gonna try to never let
it happen again.
Bradley Roth (20:17):
I love that.
And it hasn't happened again.
Right.
Anne Lorimor (20:19):
I got a tiny little bit of cancer in my
appendix when they took it out.
I didn't have that taken outuntil I was 70.
Just ready to, well, I think itwas just after I retired from
the state of Arizona.
It didn't let stop me.
That's all.
Never, ever quit.
That's one of my major mottos.
I
Bradley Roth (20:37):
love that.
And I just find it sointeresting because I think
people who get sick a lot oftimes will just.
I'd say like 95% of people justrely on the chemo.
You know, they don't do thevisualization, they don't change
the lifestyle so much.
So I think that's something thatreally stood out to me,
especially to do that back then.
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Because like you said, you gottahelp yourself as much as you
can, and I think it's kind oftaking your own power back.
And then I'm curious too, didthose, were you already
meditating and visualizing, ordid that kind of become like a
lifelong habit from that?
Anne Lorimor (21:15):
I really wasn't.
I always tried to eat well.
I tried to get enough sleep,which I never did.
And I also tried to handle mystress, which I didn't do well.
It was a very difficult job.
it really was.
I like teaching the kids, but onthe other hand, I mean, they
weren't kids, they were youngadults, but it, I did.
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One time, for example, I went toa professor's party, I was
invited to when I first gotthere.
So I marched up to the door andthe woman looks at me shaking
her head and I got the feelingshe was gonna say, no, no
salesmen here.
She just wasn't used to anywomen professors, you know,
Right.
But I explained who I wastreated me perfectly well.
But it, there were always thekind of thing that made you feel
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that you weren't quite accepted.
You
Bradley Roth (21:57):
didn't quite belong.
Yeah,
Anne Lorimor (21:58):
exactly.
Yeah.
Bradley Roth (22:00):
So, I mean, do you feel like when you look around
decades, like in, you know, pastgenerations versus like today,
and there's so many more peoplewith cancer and heart disease
and all these other things, doyou think, I mean, obviously
there's lots of differentfactors, but do you see like
people in general seem to bemore stressed out today than.
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Then back then,
Anne Lorimor (22:25):
but I'm not going to stop with that, Bradley.
Right?
I and I'm not an expert.
All right.
I'm just saying it's myimpression and some experts say
it that all of this electronicequipment we have has some
effect on us.
And when I have my little phone,I put it away from me at night.
I put it where I can reach it,but not where it's gonna be
giving me Right electrons orwhatever it isf.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
And.
I think a lot of people aren'treally as into health as I am.
My mother grew up on a farm andshe, we were very poor, but she
always tried to give us the bestfood she could give us.
And see that it was healthystuff.
I still to this day don't drinksodas or coffee or tea and, you
know, a lot of the stuff that'snot really considered very good
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and it's no effort for mebecause I just don't even like
it But I do try to do what I canand people, and I got disgusted
one time said to my sister, youknow, if you listen to all of
these people, you wouldn't needanything.
And that's the truth.
Everybody Yeah.
Knocks on something.
So I say, okay, be balanced andtry to choose.
What in your mind seems the mostsensible thing?
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I like to do citrus fruits, forexample, and I'm fine with milk.
They say nobody in the rest ofthe world drinks it.
Well, I drink it and I feel itkeeps, helps me stay healthy.
to keep my bones up becauseafter all I'm old enough that I
can have problem with that if Ididn't work at it.
So, yeah.
Anyway I just try to say balanceis probably the most important
thing of all.
Yeah.
Bradley Roth (23:50):
And was that something that you felt really
shifted for you after, Nope.
Or beating cancer?
No.
Nope.
Anne Lorimor (23:55):
I still say I was doing all the right things.
I was eating well, I wasexercising, I was doing, but I
was stressed to the max all thetime.
Yeah.
And I, that was what it was.
It had to have been becausethere wasn't anything else
there.
So I had to find ways to handlemy stress without it
internalizing it.
Bradley Roth (24:12):
can you share some of that?
Cuz I think there's a lot ofpeople who are listening to this
and are like, man I'm trying todo all the right things, but I'm
stressed as heck and always busyand that sort of thing.
Do you have any tips for people?
Well,
Anne Lorimor (24:23):
one of the things I use a lot is affirmations,
which I hadn't done much beforethat and when I get.
Oh, exercised about, forexample, the food, the way
people are, I say, yeah, I can'tdo anything about this.
I can do this.
And I always say to myself, andwhen I get start going off the
handle and I say, this is nothelping anything, let's think
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about doing something that wasprofitable or has some purpose
to it.
that would be my main thing.
I find your own way to relievestress.
Yeah.
Now my, I have a girlfriend thatloves bubble baths.
I mean, I mean, not me, but whenI am stressed I swim or I walk
or I read a book and I like thefunny ones that make me laugh
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and get out of myself.
Yeah.
So those are the kinds of thingsI should, and try to get enough
rest.
I mean, I sometimes leave thelight down all night long, which
is stupid and I shouldn't bedoing it.
Yeah.
So I'm trying very hard to havea set bedtime.
Do it.
Yeah.
But always read something beforeI go to sleep because that, that
relaxes me.
Bradley Roth (25:27):
for sure.
Yeah.
It kind of, you know, that voicein your head can start to kind
of run away at night, but if youread, it's kind of almost like
you're taking control of thatinternal voice in a sense.
It helps for me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I mean, yeah, a couple of keythings there to summarize, which
I totally agree with.
I think, man, probably the vastmajority of people now do not
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spend nearly enough timeoutside.
That's probably a big one.
Outside away from screens.
I feel like you do those twothings.
Like when I focus on doing thosetwo things, like I noticed just
a massive difference.
So, so those are kind of, Ithink timeless tips that you
provided.
So, but after that, so you beatcancer or you're still working?
I'm guessing or I don't knowexactly when you quote unquote
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retired from your career, but Iwanna move into what I think a
lot of people are wonderingabout, which is Kilimanjaro, the
world records, that kind ofstuff.
Anne Lorimor (26:22):
Let me insert briefly that I did retire 20
years ago.
And I think that I'm busier nowthan I ever was.
The only thing is I have moreflexibility.
And Kilman.
Gerald has an interestingbackground.
When I was in high school, Iread the snows of Kilimanjaro.
And I thought about it.
That's such, so interesting, youknow, but it wasn't any on my
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bucket list.
It wasn't a goal for me.
Right.
And I always thought it wasinteresting and I wanted to
travel, but I didn't have thatparticular desire to do that.
But then my niece and nephew afew years back said, we're going
to climb Kilimanjaro.
And I looked at him, I said, letme go with you, I'll say to
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laugh.
They said, well, sure.
Well why not So then I joined Imean, sorry, CEO space.
And there was a man there whowas the oldest person to have
climbed all of the sevensummons.
Oh.
And he was getting a grouptogether to climb Kilimanjaro.
And I got all excited and I gotin touch with my niece and
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nephew and I said, this man'sgoing to do it.
He'll probably understandproblems of older people and
also have younger people.
Well, they couldn't do it.
So I decided I'm going to dothis.
And at the same time, I wasstarting my foundation because I
feel that every kid deserves toknow his options and then be
given some hand up towardaccomplishing live lives they
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love, and then my stress givingback.
So I thought I'll combine thetwo and my love of hiking and
getting some attention andhopefully donations for this.
Cause I go along and I'm workingup on my exercise, tried to find
a trainer, couldn't find one,just kept doing my own exercise.
and I got somebody at church tohelp me do a little brochure,
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and I just got it all done.
I told about what was to beaccomplished and when it was
going to happen and all this,the day, the very day after I
published that brochure, the manput it off.
He says, I don't get, didn't getenough people.
We're not gonna do it for ayear.
Well, I, as I said, when youfound your focus, never ever
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quit, but pivot when necessary.
So I said, okay, I'm keeping mymoney right in there.
We're gonna do it So I justcontinued to exercise.
I went up, I had a friend whohouse set up Northern Arizona.
So I went up and she gotpermission for me to stay with
her.
And so I got some altitudeization in there, which is one
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of the things that stops peoplethere.
Right.
And I went to Colorado and didsome climbing, which I have
relatives there.
And so I felt that I was inpretty good shape when I went
over there.
Now you were a little bitinaccurate about what you said.
When I first climbed, I was onlythe oldest woman, but four
months later, another womanoutdid me.
Ah, okay.
Vince, when I said, I'm going toclimb and beat this, and I
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looked and I said, I'll be olderthan many of the men that are
done.
I'll be the oldest person.
So when I came to probablylittle about a year of being
ready to climb, some dentistsfrom Colorado, his daughter
talked him into going just asalar.
He was older than I would'vebeen.
I said, okay, I'm putting it offone more year after this.
I'm not gonna try, but one moreyear I'm putting it up.
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And he has an advantage.
He lived at 9,500 feet.
Here I am living down, you know,not far above the sea level in
Phoenix.
I hadn't really worked at thatwell.
This time I got myself a trainerfrom Alliances and he was Scott
Marsh.
He has mind and bodystrengthening and he was
wonderful.
I always say that he tailorsyour program to your age,
condition, and.
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He worked me pretty hard, but helet me do things I didn't hate.
I've said that to other people.
When you wanna exercise, choosesomething you like to do.
Yeah.
I mean, this is crazy Jumpingjack thing.
If he'd told me that I'd run, Iwould've, I hated that.
But I, when he did have me doall kinds of elliptical machines
and battling ropes and,treadmills, I don't know what
all and I did that and I workedit into my daily exercise as
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well.
So I felt really well, welltrained when I got over there.
Well, we had a week and I didn'tget to spend as much time up
north as I would've, but we didhave a week of safari because I
thought that'll give us a littlechance to get a little bit of
climate in as well as give ussome interesting things to know.
We stated at a camp, what theycall a tent camp, and it rained
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for the first time in months,the day that I was there, and I
stepped on a rubber mat and itwent out from under me and I
went crash.
So I got up and I told the man,I said, you know, it might be
real sensible to put in somerails cuz you do have some older
people that come here, And I goton and I went on and I was in
some pain but I was managing.
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But then when we began to do theactual climb, I think it was
about the fourth day up, I just,it was getting so I couldn't
stand it out.
Pain was so terrible and I wokemy nephew up in the middle of
the night and I said, you bettersay some prayers for me because
I said, what I need now is notjust a progressive healing, I
need an instant miracle cuz Imean, I have to be able to keep
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my oxygen up.
They're gonna let me climb.
So all the deep breathing pastthe pain that I can do and do,
did it.
And they tested me in the middleof the night and I tested not as
size I'd been, but stillpassable.
Okay.
Yep.
And I kept having to sit down,going up there and he'd say,
well, maybe you ought.
No, I said I, a lot of peopleare counting on me.
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I mean, I had a crew with medoing a documentary.
I said, nobody wants adocumentary of a failed climb.
I have to do this.
And I struggled.
And I struggled.
I finally made it, but it wasnot easy, And when I got home to
my doctor, I found out that Iactually had climbed with three
broken ribs.
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Wow.
Three broken ribs.
Bradley Roth (32:08):
That's in That's crazy.
Yeah.
But
Anne Lorimor (32:12):
I did it.
Yeah, I did it.
Yeah.
That was the second time.
That was the record.
But that was the second time.
And now I was, they actually hadto start a new category for me.
He'd always been the oldestwoman and the oldest man.
And of course, the oldest manwas always older than the oldest
woman.
So now they had to gimme notonly the oldest woman, but also
oldest person.
So I think I started a newlittle category there.
give 12 records.
Bradley Roth (32:33):
That's awesome.
If someone else beats it, wouldyou, will you try and do it
again or
Anne Lorimor (32:38):
is that Depends on how I feel.
Yeah.
Heavy.
I don't wanna be stupid aboutit.
Right.
And I'm not quite what I was,but I still go out and hike
every day.
I go out and do my hiking everysingle day.
And I did okay at Machu Picchu.
I wasn't as good as I used tobe, but I'm, I still did it, so,
I dunno.
I'll tell you a joke about it.
When I was there, a man came tome after he got to the hotel,
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after I got down from mysuccessful club and he said, you
know, you beat my client out.
I wanna have my picture withyou.
I said, fine.
So I did.
And he said, and I'm going totake you up when you're a.
Well,
Bradley Roth (33:17):
there you go.
Anne Lorimor (33:18):
So I keep in mind, I mean, don't agree that it's
gonna be, let's see how I feel.
I'm not going to do something.
I know what I can't do.
But no, there was one woman thather husband had climbed years
ago, and so when she heard I wasgonna do it, she looked at me
straight on and she says, myadvice to you is to stay home
But the second time she wasthere meeting me, and she's a
(33:40):
good friend now, so I waspleased that I succeeded.
That's
Bradley Roth (33:45):
awesome.
Yeah.
I'm sure there was a mutualrespect there with that,
Anne Lorimor (33:48):
but she's wonderful.
She's uh, yeah.
One of the things about myprogram, I've taken kids on
scholarships and the one group Ihad were extremely diverse and
I'm proud of that.
I had two blacks and a PolishAmerican and the Asian, Indian
American, and of Hispanic.
So I had a lovely mixture.
And she works at that.
She got to Martin Luther Kingdiversity award last year.
(34:11):
Oh, that's awesome.
Paradise Valley and I, and we'regoing to meet there next Monday
and have, you know, the usualMartin Luther King luncheon and
I'm really happy about that.
Cause I admire what he did.
Oh.
And as I came through Atlanta onmy way back from my holiday,
they had a wonderful exhibit ofhis life and work in the airport
cuz Atlanta was his city.
(34:32):
Right.
It was just an accident.
And I got that just sort of luckcame to me
Bradley Roth (34:36):
to see it.
That's awesome.
It's funny how things just kindof line up when you do, like,
when you take action, when youmove forward, when you do these
things right.
Like
Anne Lorimor (34:45):
things Yes.
They call it serendipity, don'tthey?
Yes, it does.
Affirmations really helped that.
And I'm meeting with a group ofwonderful women from Paradise
Valley toward the end of themonth to plan our visual vision
boards and our, what we're, whatwe're gonna make accomplish this
year.
And I feel good because I thinkwhen you put it out there, it
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happens.
Yeah.
Hundred you to never, ever quit
Bradley Roth (35:10):
Yeah.
Never quit and get clear aboutwhat you want.
Cause I think of people veryclear.
Yeah.
Because I think a lot of peoplelack clarity in what they want
or they know what they don'twant, you know, but they might
not know exactly what they dowant at times.
And then the
Anne Lorimor (35:23):
universe can't read that.
Well, if you're telling'em whatyou don't want, I tell'em, this
is what I want.
this is the help I wanna give.
These are the kind of people I'mlike, no, I just, and they come.
the people that I've found tohelp have come from other
organizations that help the kindof kids I wanna help and I can
add to what they do.
I can do something different.
Yeah.
Food, clothing, shelter andsafety aren't necessary for all
(35:46):
kids.
And I know child help is nowover 50 years old, has helped a
lot of kids that way.
But what I hope to do is takesome of the ones and give them a
boost up to let them.
See their options, do the thingsthey really wanna do, live lives
they love, and then give back.
And so we're complimentary.
In no way are we competing.
(36:06):
That's how
Bradley Roth (36:06):
I feel.
Yeah, I love that.
So how much money was raisedwhen you climbed kil majaro?
Anne Lorimor (36:13):
Not as much as I wanted cuz I'm not a good asker.
We probably got around 20,000.
I put a lot of it, most of it inmyself, and then we used a
little bit of it for thescholarships and that kind of
thing.
But what I would really like isan executive director that will
handle that part of it.
Let me go out and meet thepeople and do the things I enjoy
doing.
Talk about it.
Let somebody else do the askthat gets them the money.
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It's
Bradley Roth (36:36):
something we need to do what we wanna do.
The ask and the marketing andall that goes
Anne Lorimor (36:39):
into it.
That, that kind of thing someoneelse should do.
I'm a visionary.
Yeah.
And I love helping kids andhelping animals.
Well I didn't tell you that.
My family is three generationsof people that wanted to help
people.
Philanthr might call them.
And now my daughter is helpingdogs.
So, and an animals.
So I think, you know, we're fourgenerations now and I think
it'll go on down.
Bradley Roth (36:59):
That's awesome.
It's important
Anne Lorimor (37:01):
that we give to other people.
Bradley Roth (37:03):
A hundred percent.
A hundred percent.
So I have a couple questionsjust about, about that climb,
because so what was the biggestclimb that you had done prior to
Kilimanjaro?
Anne Lorimor (37:16):
I had done Pike's Peak, which is as, you know,
over 14,000 feet.
And I did, I think it was fourother Fourteeners at the time
that I was there doing it.
I wouldn't commit to it.
I said, let's see how I do withthe one.
And then I think, Uhhuh, okay,let's go do it.
So we did.
I don't like snow.
People kept saying, ever isnext, not for me.
I don't really wanna do that.
I don't wanna get caught in anavalanche, and I don't wanna go
(37:39):
through the snow and freeze myfingers in my nose.
And love to hike and climb.
I can see doing some of theother tall mountains in America,
you know, maybe Whitney and someof those but if I don't, I'm not
gonna feel bad because I've hada wonderful life.
Yeah, and I've done some good Ididn't get a chance to tell you
about some of the good that I'vereally done, but I will tell you
(38:00):
there's a documentary coming outhopefully next year, maybe even
this year, that will talk aboutmy life and my climb and my
organization.
Oh, that's awesome.
So far they're calling it aneverlasting because there will
be everlastings on the mountainas we climb, but that's a
working title.
It can very well change beforeit comes.
Gotcha.
Bradley Roth (38:20):
Well, I'll definitely look forward to that,
but but we're not done yet.
We still you can still talkabout that for sure, but so when
you did climb it the first time,was it easier than you expected?
Harder than you expected aboutwhat you expected?
How did
Anne Lorimor (38:35):
it go The first time I was not as fast as I used
to be, but I still wasn't havingany real tribal trouble until I
think about the third day I got.
Ill, somebody brought, flew tothe group and I had it, and I
was moaning and groaning andagonizing, God.
(38:55):
And my nephew was saying, oh,come on.
You know, it's only another 30minutes.
Only another 30 minutes.
Wasn't but I was doing sillythings like yelling from my
mother who had never been anyparticular help with climbing or
anything anyway, but I just,there was still that, never,
ever quit feeling in there.
I couldn't quit next morning.
(39:16):
I woke up and I was okay.
I'd got whatever that thing was,it was a 24 hour flu maybe, but
it was gone.
Yeah.
And so I managed and it wasexciting both times because I'd
look up and see those brightstars and they felt as if they
were down around your ears.
You were so high.
Yeah.
And there of course, we couldsee the southern cross, which
you can't see in thishemisphere.
(39:36):
And that was exciting.
It was wonderful.
I don't.
and the second time AF with thepain, that was a lot worse.
you had to sit down a lot morethan I did the first time.
Yeah.
But I still managed, I knew thatif you didn't keep breathing, if
you get pneumonia, what theycall walking pneumonia, and it's
even, and now if I'd known I hadbroken ribs, then it filled up
(39:58):
even more because I know thattends to make you not wanna
breathe.
But I just kept doing it anddoing it until I got it up
there.
Bradley Roth (40:04):
Are you almost glad that you didn't know your
ribs were broken?
Like do you think that maybe youwould've quit if you had known
that?
No.
Anne Lorimor (40:11):
No.
I knew I was in excruciatingpain and I knew that I was
struggling.
I, it was astonishing when Ifound it out, but it wouldn't
have stopped me because nowadaysthey don't even strap you for
ribs.
They just tell you, go on.
They probably said, oh no, godown.
Go home and go home.
Don't try it.
They would've said that, butthey wouldn't have had me do
anything at home that I wouldn'thave been doing anyway.
Bradley Roth (40:33):
Right.
Yeah.
Ribs are a tricky one like that,but
Anne Lorimor (40:36):
yeah, they can stab you and stuff and I was
lucky I, none of that happened.
I was careful as I knew how tobe, but it wasn't easy, just the
same.
Bradley Roth (40:44):
So how long was your training period leading up
to the first climb?
Was it a year, six months, morethan that?
No, I
Anne Lorimor (40:50):
had to have done it at least two years because he
put it off a year, remember?
Ok.
So I had to keep on training,but nobody helped me.
I was doing it myself, choosingwhat to do.
Second time, I had eight monthsof training with a wonderful
Scott Marsh, and I still givehim a lot of credit.
I'm not sure that I could havemade that mountain if I hadn't
had his training behind me.
(41:10):
I'm not sure.
Bradley Roth (41:12):
Gotcha.
That's amazing.
Yeah.
I think it's just a, it's such apowerful thing that people, they
see, like I see people in their,all the time, I see people in
their forties.
Yeah.
Like forties and up.
Even people like in their latethirties are like, oh, you know,
I'm washed up.
I'm past by Prime.
I'm like, I don't do thatanymore.
(41:32):
Right.
I'm sure you see it all the timeand you're probably like, what
are you talking about?
Anne Lorimor (41:36):
And I just think it's ridiculous.
I'm sorry.
I do.
Yeah.
I mean, if it depends on whatmatters to you, but I think it's
silly to give up and what theysay now is sixties, the new
what, 40 or something?
Yep.
So people, some people at leastdo know we can do more than we
thought we could.
When I was a little girl than Iread books.
A man that was 40 and had losthis job just felt like the world
(41:57):
had ended.
You know?
There's nothing more he couldever do, yet he was all washed
out.
Well, that's not true.
It isn't.
Yeah.
And they're, and they, and Ikeep remembering people like
some of the French writers thatwrote in their eighties and
things like that, you know, wayback then.
Yeah.
So you don't have to quit andbut what I think is still
important, choose something thatyou really love.
(42:18):
I love the saying that if you dowhat you love, you never work a
day in your life.
Yep.
Isn't that great?
Yeah.
Bradley Roth (42:27):
It's one of those cliches they hear all the time,
but it's so true.
Anne Lorimor (42:30):
Well, somebody said it first and I don't know
who it was, and I really likeit, Yeah.
Because it isn't just a cliche,it has a lot of meaning.
If you really think about it.
Bradley Roth (42:42):
Well, I found most, most cliches that you hear
all the time, like eventuallyyou understand that there's a
lot of truth to them.
So
Anne Lorimor (42:50):
I'm not as much against cliches as most
journalists are because I dothink you're right that often
you encapsulates some speculate,something that was very true.
Bradley Roth (42:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.
A lot of times I'll hear'em orI've heard'em when I was younger
and I was like, ah, whatever.
And then now like I'll hear'emagain and I'll be like, it
clicks.
I'm like, there is a lot oftruth and wisdom to those
cliches, most of'em.
So
Anne Lorimor (43:11):
I've written a couple of children's books,
which haven't been published.
But they do have a lot of thingsthat sound familiar, but I think
kids like that kind of thing.
I think it somehow and some ofit isn't as familiar to them as
it is to us anyway.
Yeah.
So I didn't try to just beabsolutely, totally different
(43:33):
and interesting and, you know,every word I wrote to who I
thought was my audience.
Bradley Roth (43:39):
Yeah.
I love that.
So yeah, I think it's a greatexample that you set, like
hopefully people listening tothis, cuz I think everyone just
about everyone is guilty at somepoint in their life saying, I'm
too old for this, or I'm tooyoung.
To do that.
You know what I mean?
And so it's just I think storiesand examples like yours are
super important for people outthere.
Anne Lorimor (44:01):
Shall I repeat my little saying?
Which is it's never too early tostart and it's never too late to
learn and grow.
And I really believe that I Imean, I was on the ship, they
had some musicians and most ofthose kids were their violin
strings violins, bass, all that.
They had started at four orfive.
(44:24):
Wow.
Obviously their parent sawsomething in them and then
helped them.
Mm-hmm.
But, you know, it's just nevertoo early to start.
Bradley Roth (44:32):
Yeah.
Or I saw a few years ago,there's a guy named Caleb
Maddox.
He actually is in theScottsdale, Phoenix area, and he
was a self-made millionaire by13, you know, and I remember he
spoke.
Yeah.
And I looked and I was like,man, okay.
Like, I'm not too young.
Cause at the time I was in, youknow, my mid twenties and I was
like, oh, like everyone, I,everyone who's successful in
(44:52):
business is older than me and,you know, those kinds of things.
And then I saw that and I waslike, all right, that's, I
gotta, you know, get rid of thatlimiting belief.
But I think a lot of it, right,we like aging.
A lot of it is people thinkabout it physically slowing
down, but I feel like the peoplewho slowed.
Are the ones who lack some sortof goal or something that
(45:13):
they're working towards.
Right.
So for you, Kilimanjaro, thatwas like a very clear goal that
you could move towards and youdid it in your late eighties.
But I think a lot of people,they, you know, they go to
college, they get their career,they get married, they have
kids, and then it's like, okay,I hit all the check marks and
I'm comfortable in my career.
And then they don't find thatnext thing.
(45:35):
They don't find the thing thatlike keeps them moving and
evolving and moving lookingforward.
And I think that is, in myopinion, the like, would you
agree that the biggest thingthat you know, slows people down
Anne Lorimor (45:48):
even beyond that?
You know, thores saying that themajority of men lead lives of
quiet desperation.
And I think that's true.
A lot of'em wouldn't even admitit to themselves, but I don't
think they need to.
I think you need to find whatyou really love and go for it.
Yeah.
Bradley Roth (46:06):
Yeah, a hundred percent I think.
Anne Lorimor (46:08):
And it's out there.
If you set your goals and put itout to the universe and go
toward it, you can have it.
Bradley Roth (46:14):
Yeah.
It's not gonna come to youprobably exactly when you won it
or exactly how you won it.
But one way or another you'll
Anne Lorimor (46:22):
end up there.
And you remember that I put bothtimes, I had to put it off a
year.
some people would've gottendiscouraged and never done it.
I said, Nope, I'm doing this
Bradley Roth (46:31):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
Yeah.
A lot of people get thingspushed off by like a week and
they're like, oh, forget aboutit.
It's, you know, So it's uh, andthat's sad
Anne Lorimor (46:39):
if there's, it's something they really want.
I remember when I was teachingjournalism, one boy said to me,
well, they told me that I'dnever make it in journalism, so
I decided to take another field.
Well, I thought, well, if youare that easily discouraged,
then you should take anotherfield.
Cause in journalism you have topush Yeah.
Bradley Roth (46:58):
You gotta be tough.
That's what, yeah.
Anne Lorimor (47:00):
Well, and you gotta be willing to carry on in
the face of adversity.
And naysay and all those otherthings that people give you.
Bradley Roth (47:07):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I mean, I think that's whatmakes not most people, like even
podcasting, like 90% ofpodcasters.
Oh, thank you.
I like your title
Anne Lorimor (47:19):
very much.
Not Most People Podcast.
Thank you.
I hope you like the one aboutthe Women who Push the Limits.
I like that title that's on thebooks that I told you about for
sure.
Do you wanna see the book again?
Sure.
Yeah.
Bradley Roth (47:32):
Tell me a little about
Anne Lorimor (47:33):
that.
Women Who Push the Limitspresents 50 Life Lessons from
Inspiring Women, and there are50 women in there, and I'm one
of'em, and we've each writtenour own chapter and the editor
has put it all together.
And we had a meeting and I feltexcited to get there, meet some
of those women, and sees thethings that they're doing.
Every one of us in our own waydoes something that's not quite,
(47:56):
was within the normal waymoth,and I love that.
I think it's a book that peoplewill enjoy.
Yeah.
And even when I took it on thetrip with me, a couple of women
bought it from me.
Either that I was in theirtrivia year, So I felt good
about that.
Yeah.
When did that come out?
It came out in 50.
(48:16):
Oh, what are we saying?
20 20 22.
2022.
Just last year.
Okay.
It was just before I did myMachu Picchu climb.
But the, my trip I just got backfrom, I did it after Christmas
and over New Years from in theCaribbean.
Gotcha.
I was happy to show people thatbook cuz I think there are a lot
of exciting and inspiring thingsin there.
Bradley Roth (48:36):
I will, I'll have to get that book because I'm
sure many women in there wouldmake great guests for this show,
so
Anne Lorimor (48:44):
I'm sure they would.
It's available from Amazon now.
I gave them the advantage that Ihad it autographed by the
publisher, the editor, I mean,and by me So they won't get
that, but they'll still get allthe good of the book.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
I was excited when I went to.
Alliances not long ago.
(49:04):
I had the book with me and oneman wanted it, so he got it and
he's gonna put it up on hisshelf with an autographed copy
of Pride, the Beloved Country byAlon Peyton.
I mean, I feel so that's aclassic, you know, from
mid-century.
And so if I get to be on thatsame shelf, I'm gonna feel
Bradley Roth (49:19):
good.
That's awesome.
Congratulations.
Do you see yourself ever writingyour own book?
Yes.
Yes.
Anne Lorimor (49:27):
I have written one that I'm calling stories from My
Life where it was withStoryWorth and I answered their
question and just wrote achapter about each question.
But I would like to do a totalmemoir, which will be, because
what I have to say, nobody elsehas had exactly the same
experience.
And so it will be interesting topeople in a historical sense,
and I would like to do that.
Bradley Roth (49:48):
Yeah, that would be awesome.
Anne Lorimor (49:50):
I just got something online right now.
Five Benefits of Giving.
If you go to my creatingexciting futures.org, it can be
ordered from there downloadedand it just talks about five
benefits of giving.
Cause I really believe there arebenefits and I used to feel
guilty about it cuz I thought Iget so much pleasure outta
helping people, you know, Ishould be doing it for an
(50:10):
altruistic reason.
I don't see any harm at all intaking pleasure in the giving
that you do.
I used to.
Not at all.
I don't anymore.
take it in and realize you getbenefits.
They get benefits.
Yeah.
Bradley Roth (50:23):
Win-win.
It's amazing.
Exactly.
So.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So you just climbed MachuPicchu, which is another, you
know, maybe not quite aKilimanjaro, but still kind of a
pretty monumental experience.
So what was that like?
And then what's kind of next onthe horizon?
Is there any other big goals onyour mind right now?
Anne Lorimor (50:46):
The Inca Trail is one of the five most hiked
trails in the world.
I didn't do it all, but we didquite a lot of it.
Machu Picchu, of course, has allthose wonderful old historical
and spiritual aspects, which Ienjoyed.
I wanna go back, the gal thatwas with me, who was doing the
documentary has had a fall sinceshe is probably a third of my
(51:09):
age and she's really hurting.
We were supposed to go back.
I'm not sure how fast we'll dothat now.
Yes.
I haven't decided exactly, I doplan to do an parachute of an
airplane.
I didn't wanna do that whilethere was a chance of breaking
myself up and not doing the biggo And then I'm thinking very
seriously.
(51:29):
I would love to go to Spain anddo the Sant de Campillo.
Pilgrimage, I think it's justabout 500 miles.
And would not do as fast as someother people, but I think I
could do it in a couple ofmonths.
So Wow.
It's on my mind and if I do, Iwanna do it again to try to
promote the cause and get somecon contributions for it.
And
Bradley Roth (51:50):
yeah.
We'll do, it's a lot of thingsout there.
Yeah.
I, there's endless things thatyou can do, right.
And yeah.
If you do, but I
Anne Lorimor (51:58):
am gonna I'm gonna wanna like some Bradley, I don't
wanna do it unless I like some,
Bradley Roth (52:03):
right.
Yeah.
I think that's an importantthing too.
I think and it's something I'vethought about is a lot of people
try to convince themselves thatthey like something or force
themselves to do things a lot.
And you know, obviously there'sthings that you're always gonna
have to do some things that youdon't want to do, but like, big
picture wise, it's reallyimportant to like, find your
thing, like what you said withexercise, if you hate it.
(52:26):
every minute of it.
Like for me, I hate running likeI'm a power athlete strong, but
I hate running.
Like if you tell me I gotta runevery day, like I'm probably not
gonna stick with it very long.
Right.
But if you give, that's exactlyit.
Yeah.
But if you gimme somethingthat's kind of more in my
wheelhouse that's fun at thesame time, like you're just
gonna find so much more successthrough that than you would
(52:48):
otherwise.
So
Anne Lorimor (52:49):
it, it's really not hard for me to hike every
day cuz I enjoy it.
And I like swimming, but I gottaget back to that.
I'm getting my pool resurfacedso that I can start that up
again.
And yeah.
Of those things I'll enjoy it.
Just the world's full ofbeautiful things and I don't, I
wanna keep myself up and keepmyself happy, but also I wanna
keep on giving to people.
(53:11):
And making them happy.
There.
There's a little poem that ithangs up on my fireplace wall
and it says, let me live in ahouse by the side of the road
and be a friend to man.
I like that.
I really like that.
Bradley Roth (53:24):
Yeah.
It's another one where the beauthe beauty is in the simplicity
of it, I think.
Exactly.
Anne Lorimor (53:29):
Exactly.
Yeah.
I do like simplicity, I alwayshave.
Bradley Roth (53:34):
Yeah.
It's funny as I, you know, Imean, I'm 31, but I feel like,
especially in the last couple ofyears I crave simplicity more
and more.
Like we live in a increasinglycomplex, fast paced world, and
I'm like, man sometimes we justwant the simple things, you
know?
And
Anne Lorimor (53:50):
sometimes the people that have these horribly
complex driven worlds, if theycan just take a while off a
couple times a year, that willhelp them a great deal.
Just, yeah, I mean, go up intothe woods.
For me, nature's always spoken.
And if I can just go up thereand just take it on this
holiday, I didn't think aboutanything at home.
I just thought, you know, Ican't do a thing about it.
(54:12):
I'm gonna enjoy every minuteEarth.
And I did.
Yeah I love the ocean.
Arizona has so much themountains, the deserts, the
rivers, the lakes, but we don'thave the ocean.
And so that, I really enjoy whenI get it.
Bradley Roth (54:25):
Yeah.
I hear you on that.
Yeah, if you're, if I'm back inArizona when you decide to do
it, I'll let me know.
I'll go skydiving with you cuzI, I've went once before, but I
want to go again.
So,
Anne Lorimor (54:36):
well, you know that they have this training
class out there, the Belgianmilitary comes in every year and
does it well twice a year.
And my nephew handles it forthem.
Really?
So, yes.
Yes.
Let's do that.
I mean, I will have toundoubtedly do it in tandem with
somebody and we get out thereand do it for myself, but that's
good enough.
That's all a lot of people everdo.
And I was thinking I could bemaybe the oldest person, but
(54:59):
then the first George Bush didit when he was 92.
So I have to work at it a littleYep.
Do it long enough to, you know,be the suck the red hard again.
Yeah.
Bradley Roth (55:10):
There you go.
That's within reach though.
You could do that.
Of
Anne Lorimor (55:12):
course.
It is.
It, yeah.
And as I said, I didn't wanna doit before going, because people
do fall and hurt themselves andI don't, I wouldn't do it if I
thought I were going to, but onthe other hand, I a chance when
I had a mountain to climb.
Yeah.
So it really was kind of ironicthat I fell at the foot of the
mountain after I'd been socareful.
Bradley Roth (55:31):
Yeah.
Right.
Life has a funny way of doingthat, but yeah.
So with with your foundation,one thing that you said that
kind of stood out to me was yousaid you're trying to give kids
a hand up, not a handout.
Right.
Was that some Yeah, exactly.
You.
That
Anne Lorimor (55:48):
I, Want to give things kids things so that they
feel entitled and all that.
What I wanna do is let them knowthat there are those options and
there are possibilities forthem.
I mean, kids see television, butthat's the fairytale.
And here I am who really washomeless and poor and all those
(56:08):
things, and I've managed to makea decent life for myself.
Yeah.
And also to be able to give someback.
So I want to get that to them.
And some of my kids have reallyalready, they have such good
histories about things thatthey've done and I feel good
about it.
And so I wanna get somebody tobe a coordinator to volunteers
that'll bring in volunteers sothey can get the same good
(56:30):
feelings about helping other.
And also at the same time, givethose kids a boost to where they
wanna go.
I remember one time in Chicago,way back, I don't know, probably
sixties, they started saying, ifyou don't have a high school
education and if you getwelfare, you've got to get a G E
D.
So they had people go to schoolto get their checks.
(56:50):
They had to somehow be workingtoward their degree.
And actually some people thathave been on welfare for four
generations got off.
They were so proud of themselvesand I was singing, this is
wonderful.
And then all the people came andsaid, no, everybody deserves a
living.
You have no right to demandanything from, and I heard they
(57:11):
stopped the program and that wasso.
So I'm the opposite.
I say, ha help people when theyneed it.
Yeah.
Everybody needs to boost itsometime in their lives, but
don't get'em depending on it andfeeling like, this is how it is.
You gotta give me my money tolive.
No.
Right.
I'm gonna teach you how to getmoney to live and enjoy it if I
can't.
Right.
Bradley Roth (57:32):
Yeah.
It's the whole teaching Amandafish instead of giving him a
fish.
Exactly.
Mentality.
Anne Lorimor (57:36):
Exactly what it is.
I always love that old.
Bradley Roth (57:39):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I love that.
And that's, it's something thatI want to do with, you know, not
most people in the future iskind of have a similar you know,
foundation that focuses oneducation for kids and personal
development and that kind ofstuff.
So we'll have to we'll have totalk more about that and maybe
there's ways we can collaborate.
I got some events coming up,that sort of thing, so, yeah.
(58:00):
So we'll have to talk more, manyways that it
Anne Lorimor (58:02):
can
Bradley Roth (58:02):
be done.
Yes, I definitely, yeah.
So,
Anne Lorimor (58:05):
let'em just watch for the documentary and watch
for the book.
I mean, I probably will publishthe stories from my life.
That's not the big thing.
That's the one that's I've donefor the family.
And I think it'll still tellpeople some interesting things,
but I wanna do one that really.
pulls it all together and makesa good book out of it.
Like I
Bradley Roth (58:23):
love that.
Yeah.
I'm looking forward to that.
So I know you the book, you gotthe documentary coming out at
some point, but where else canpeople find you, social media,
website?
What's the best way to, to reachyou or to learn more about the
foundation and all that?
Anne Lorimor (58:38):
If they Google and Laura Moore, they're gonna get
eight pages.
I was astonished myself when Isaw that there's some where I've
been interviewed for the mediaand, people have done some
podcasts and various otherthings and people that are
interested in what I'm doing.
Should go.
Yeah.
And take a look.
Just Google and Lamore get youstarted.
I do have a, my own website, Imean my own Facebook and more
(59:01):
and more.
And there's also one creatingExciting Futures.
And then I'm in on the others.
I'm on alliances sometimes, thenI'm on women who push the limit,
you know, lots of others.
if they get started, it'll sortof refer'em to the others if
they really want moreinformation.
Bradley Roth (59:15):
Okay.
And then I'm sure people, I knowa lot of podcasters listen to
podcasts and so are you open togoing on other podcasts if
people reach out and ask you?
Anne Lorimor (59:27):
Oh, I have.
I was on one recently, numberseven of Amazing Arizonans, and
he took a long time talking tome and I thought he gave a
pretty good picture of my lifeand my cause.
So somebody might wanna look atthat.
Amazing Arizonans episode numberseven.
It's on YouTube.
Yeah.
Bradley Roth (59:42):
Okay.
Yeah.
I'm saying also people mightwanna have you as a guest.
I know a lot of people who havetheir own podcasts, who I'm sure
would love to interview you andmaybe give you some more
exposure for the foundation andall that.
Happy
Anne Lorimor (59:54):
to talk with them.
But I'm just saying that was onewhere I was a guest.
Where?
Where said Amazing.
Arizonas and I was episodenumber seven in This Sky Is a
that I said he did a good job ofit.
Yeah.
Told a lot about what
Bradley Roth (01:00:06):
was going on.
Awesome.
Well, this has been a lot offun.
I've learned a lot.
But I wanna ask you, before weclose it out, do you have any
kinda last thoughts or words ofwisdom to share with the
audience?
Anne Lorimor (01:00:20):
I will just give you my three little maxims that
I think say most of what I wannasay.
First of all, keep yourself fitand healthy in mind, body, and
spirit.
Second, get deeply involved in acause greater than yourself.
One that appeals to you.
(01:00:41):
And then finally, when you'vefound your focus.
Never ever quit, but pivot whennecessary.
Thumbs it up.
Bradley Roth (01:00:50):
Wow.
I love that.
That's a great way to wrap itup.
I think those are, again wesimplicity's been a theme.
They're very simple, but youfollow those three things, I
think you're gonna be in prettygood shape.
So, and thank you so much forcoming on the show today.
This is one that I've beenexcited for a long time and it
did not disappoint, so I'm surewe'll be in touch beyond the
(01:01:11):
podcast.
And once again, thank you forcoming on and sharing your
wisdom and experience.
Anne Lorimor (01:01:16):
Thank you for having me, and I'll certainly
hope we do touch spaces in thefuture.
Bradley Roth (01:01:21):
Definitely.
So that does it for today, guys.
Thank you for tuning in.
If you wanna check out more ofwhat Anne's got going on, we'll
have info for you in the shownotes.
Or like she said, just Googleher name, But again, my one ask,
if you got value outta thisepisode, please share it with
someone, especially maybesomeone who, you know, needs to
find that focus in life or.
(01:01:42):
Maybe things are too old or tooyoung for something, this is
probably an episode that couldmake a big difference in their
life.
So please share with them andagain, if you have a left review
and you got value review wouldbe greatly appreciated.
So that's it guys.
Thank you for tuning in.
We'll see you in the next one.
And always remember, don't bemost people.
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