Take Back Control Of Your Life, Feel Fully Alive, And Become A Self-Care Savage with Scott Tatum - 089 - Not Most People

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Bradley Roth (00:32):
Hey everyone.
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(00:54):
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But I wanna get right intotoday's episode.
This is an exciting one.
We have Scott Tatum on the show.
Scott, welcome to Not mostPeople.

Scott Tatum (01:34):
Thanks Bradley.
I'm, I'm excited to be here.
Thanks for inviting me.
Of course,

of course.
I'm excited.
A lot of you guys, you mighthear Scott Tatum and not exactly
know who that is, but there's abetter chance that you've seen
him on social media.
He is a father, a nomad, a hi.
And explorer advocating formental health and our public
lance, and he's referred to asthe friendly reminder guy on
social media where he's amassedover 1.1 million followers

(02:02):
across Instagram and TikTok.
And I believe the username is atUCAN Outdoors.
So I don't know.
I'm guessing a lot of yourfollowers know you maybe more by
your, your handle than youractual name.
And so some people listening tothis might be like, oh yeah,
like, I know that guy.
I follow that guy.
So that's something I'm curiousabout is how that all came

(02:23):
about, how that, like, I know, Iwant to get into the backstory
and I know you have a powerfulone that kind of led you to hear
to where you're sharing videos,simple videos on social media,
advocating for self-care andknowing your worth and that kind
of stuff.
So could you rewind it a bitkind of from the beginning or

(02:44):
where you feel like is relevantto what led you to where you are
at now with all of this?
Sure.

Absolutely.
I mean, so, you know, I, I'vebeen really, really going hard
on myself in my own selfself-care which just evolved
into the savage part justbecause if you look up savage in
the dictionary, it's it's prettydeliberate in, in, in what the

(03:11):
word means, and it's mm-hmm.
You know, it's, it's not, thisis not playtime.
It's none, none of it's playtimefor me.
Hmm.
And what I put out is how, howare there things that I need to
hear?
It's, it's, it's, I always tellall my followers, I get a lot
more from you guys than y'allget from.

(03:32):
Again, this has been my therapy.
I started with I've been onsocial media a long time.
I got on Facebook, I'm 62, so,my evolution's probably been a
little bit different of course,than the younger people.
But I got on Facebook in 2010for some business stuff and do
some marketing stuff, but mm-hmmjust kind of evolved playing
around with it.
Instagram I got on in 2016, Ithink TikTok a few, a couple

(03:56):
years after that.
But I used to just put up memes.
So wherever I might be travelingor what I might be doing, I take
picture of a mountain or me, youknow, Hey, look at me in the
mountain.
And then I have something thatwas powerful quote or something
that meant something to me thatwas helping me.
With what I might be working onat that time or really hit me to

(04:16):
trigger something that I neededto focus on or whatever the
reason was.
And so it was all to hold meaccountable.
Again, this was just me puttingthis stuff out there.
It was a way for me to, youknow, just again hold my, you
know, mainly hold myselfaccountable.
And you know, it was for myfamily, you know, my kids,
anybody, you know.
Because previously to that, afew years before that, you know,

(04:41):
I had pretty much given up onmyself.
So this, what kind of triggeredthis was been married, divorced
twice.
My second divorce was almost 13years ago.
Is it 13 years ago now?
12, 13 years ago.
And couple years after that, I,you know, was really.
Had gotten in a bad place andhad just kinda given up, not
given up to where I was gonna gojump off a mountain.

(05:02):
I always say that, yeah, I'dgiven up going forward.
I just, I was exhausted My life,the way I had been living, it
was a mess.
Every, the decisions I made wereall decisions coming from my
traumas as a kid and, and, andthe survival stuff.

(05:23):
You know, I can shoot from thehip and do, I mean, I'm a, I can
take, I can make sure you know,that I can melt into a wall if I
need to, so I don't have to beseen.
But all of those things and haoperating that way, were good
back then.
Okay.
Kept me alive probably a fewtimes.
Yeah.
They do not translate intoadulthood living that way.

(05:45):
Relationships, doing business,it's a constant ups and then you
just, Cut your legs off, selfsabotage, you know, do the best
you can.
Just screw it all up.
You know, sometimes very muchknowing, knowing it, see how far
you can stretch it.
And you can always trust me.
It always break.
You can stretch it, but it, andit, and it will break every

(06:07):
single time.
Anyways, so it evolved into thatand I just started, you know, as
I watch people and I absorbedcontent off social media, I
started just trying to, when Iwas out, formulate a way to
present things a littledifferent because people were

(06:27):
starting to resonate with themessage I was putting out,
mainly directed toward me.
They were getting something outof it.
And so I think I saw something.
People have asked me this abunch of times and I haven't
been able to completely nail itdown, but I think I was just
seeing some of these thingspeople were posting and saying,
daily reminders.
or Hey, here's your dailyreminder or whatever.

(06:47):
Yeah.
And I just thought, well, youknow, friendly reminder.
So I just started saying thatand I just start resonate with
people.
And again, that's just kind ofhow it's evolved and into and up
to this point.
And there again, there is a, alot of backstory to it and
there's a lot of healing and alot of forgiving that I have

(07:10):
done through these last 10years.
Mm-hmm.
and everything is stacked up onthings.
So if you would've asked me alot of questions, you're gonna
ask me, or, or you've asked thisone, you've asked me, you know,
eight years ago or four yearsago, or two years ago, those,
it's probably gonna be a littledifferent because the healing

(07:31):
has not been fast for me.
It's just not like, you know,that's why this savage thing
comes into it.
I've had to immerse myself inthis world.
My, my.
Hiking the outdoors is part ofwhat triggered and saving my
life and opening things up forme and, and and, and pu and
pushing me to move tounderstanding what, what was

(07:55):
going on and working to try tofix it.
I, I, but when I say this, soall these stepping stones that
come into place, I foundcognitive behavioral therapy.
Mm-hmm.
I did a lot of research on that.
It's a very, it's so powerful,especially with a guy like me.
I started learning how to getmore right here and yeah, you

(08:16):
might need to jump back and takecare of some business and, and,
and move on from it, but, butfix what's happening right now,
you know, so you can moveforward in, in, in a better way.
What's, what's causing allthings.
So, so each of these thingshave, have just.
Leaped to me further and furtherand further to where I am today.

(08:38):
And I, you know, I put it outas, as a joke, but it, it, it's,
it's, it's also putting it outto me.
Mm-hmm.
you know, you, anybody can testme if they want to.
I, if you think you can break mymentals my mindset and, and put
me in a bad place, or trigger meor do any of those things, it

(09:01):
ain't gonna happen.
hasn't happened in a long time,and I don't plan for it to, I'm
not perfect, but I know, and Ido the work every day.
I have disciplines.
There's non-negotiables, youknow, I absorb what I absorb and
my, my demons hit me in themornings.
So I, when, as soon as I wakeup, I know they've repositioned

(09:23):
and they're, they here, they.
and I go to work on'em and, andI score what would take me
sometimes hours to get my head,right.
Mm-hmm.
you know, now is usually donewithin a few minutes.
You know, I can bury them.
And and just, you know, we'rejust, we're just going at'em.

(09:44):
I, I, I, I, I I talked about,and I can talk about that later,
but anyways, just trying to stayfocused here.
There's, that's where it's cometo here.
Mm-hmm.
So everything you see me do andeverything I talk about is
mainly is always gonna be towardme first.
It's always stuff that I need tokeep rehearing, but it has

(10:08):
become, I sat on a podcast thatdid a month ago or something I
think it was which I was like,wow, I think I'm gonna start
using that.
But I said, you know, this isnot about me anymore.
Friendly reminders and myplatform and everything in this
community that's grown into,it's not about me anymore.
It's about everyone.
Yeah.
It's about it's about all of us.

(10:28):
And so now that's how I look atthat and that's how I'm
progressing forward.
This is, this is bigger than meand I feel a huge responsibility
to to continue and also refinethis.
I'm doing a lot of work on beingable to deliver my message
clearer more appropriately.

(10:48):
I'm developing a few of theselittle things that are out, you
know, outlined some things thatI have a there's a book coming
out later this year, so someframeworks, there's a lot of
things happening.
Yeah.
And so I, and those have beenweak things for me.
And I, I'm I'm learning and, andthat's, that's all part of the
process.
And so the other thing I've saidtoo is, is.

(11:11):
what people see happening withme on social media is you're
just watching, you're watchingme continue healing and growing.
I mean, you're in this with me.
I mean, it's mm-hmm.
It's, mm-hmm.
And I, I challenge anybodyalways cuz I, I want it is if,
if anybody feels like I'm notdoing or following through or
anything, any friendly reminder,you wanna go pick out and say,

(11:32):
well, you don't really do that,or you don't please, you know,
blow, you know, blow me up,confront me.
I, I'm, I I want all of that.
And that's part of what'simportant to me is being held
accountable.
Mm-hmm.
myself.
But anybody that I haveinfluenced or looks to me for
guidance whatsoever, if I'mgonna put myself out here like

(11:53):
this is I wanna be clean, cleanas I can.
Hmm.
I don't know.
Did that answer your question?
Maybe a little bit more

It does.
I mean, that gives me, I,there's a lot of things there
that.
I'd like to kind of get into alittle bit, I think one thing
that you mentioned that peoplemay be listening to and can
really relate to is when yousaid like, I hadn't given up,
like I was gonna take my life,but that I wasn't gonna progress
forward.
And I feel like most people havebeen there at some point or

(12:24):
another in their life.
And you said you, what was,whatever it was 12, 13 years ago
when you were, at that point youwere broken and now you're
unbreakable and you had toobviously do a ton of work to go
from A to B, but someone mightbe listening say, man, I, I feel
like I'm broken.

(12:44):
Or my mindset like it, you know,if, if I get thrown off, it does
take me hours or days, or I maynever kind of rebound.
So what was, I'm guessing itties into this whole kind of
hiking outdoors thing.
Like were you hiking.
Regularly, were you spendingtime outdoors living this kind
of lifestyle prior to thatpoint, or was that kind of like

(13:07):
a revelation, a shift, a aturning point?

Yeah.
So, so when I was in thatmindset of giving up and, and
one of the things that, that Ihad talked about, you know, it
was hard to talk about at when Ifirst talked about it.
But when, when I, when I got inthat mindset, I told my boys
that, mm-hmm.
I mean, I had, I told my boys, Isaid, look guys, I'm done.
Again, I'm, I can't do, youknow, I just, it, it just, I, it

(13:34):
just never, it just never getsanywhere.
And, and I'm just, the way this,that, and the other LA again,
way I've been living and thingslike that, I was always,
anyways, and, and that was, thatwas, when I think back on that,
that's a, you know, it's stillkind of, gosh, I just, wow.
But so I was driving.

(13:56):
and any, anyways, if anybodyknows anything about Texas, you
know, I was lived in McKinney atthis time, which is north of
Dallas.
And I was driving up around the,the Oklahoma Texas border, and
there's a lake up there calledLake Texoma.
And I just stopped, you know, Iwas looking at the lake in one
of the little park areas and Isaw a trail, and I believe the

(14:18):
name of it was called JuniperTrail.
And I was like, Hmm, you knowwhat?
I'm gonna go see what's up withthat.
And so I got out my truck and Ican't, there's so many things
they don't remember about itnow, and people ask me, but I,
I, I'd either have my phone andI wasn't completely paying
attention to it, or I left it inthe truck.
Can't, can't exactly remember,but I went out on the, started

(14:41):
walking mm-hmm.
And I have no idea what overtookme, but that's all I wanted to
do at that point.
I just kept walking.
and, and then everything, therewas nothing.
I wasn't hearing anythinganymore other than the trees,
the leaves, my footsteps, thewater birds all of this stuff

(15:03):
that was not foreign.
But you, you know, we're not, weare not.
We hear it in glimpses.
Right.
You know, where we were livingin this society, entrenched in
these areas.
All that.
All that stuff.
And, and, and so that it wentoff.
And then I started hearingmyself and I started hearing the
thoughts and, and, and, and Iwas, they were getting very loud

(15:26):
and they were getting veryannoying and very, you know,
what's, you know, and, and itwas a little I was, it was a
little frightening at that time.
but it was also, I just keptwalking.
So all I remember was it gotdark and I kind of snapped out
of whatever was happening andrealized I needed to make some
movement back.
And, but from that point on, Inever I haven't stopped.

(15:50):
Hmm.
So it's just that's what, whatit, what it had progressed to?
No, I was, you know, I wasworking at that time and and you
know, my boys were with me whenI got divorced, you know, they,
they, you know, I was with them.
And so, you know, that, that wasmy life at the, at that time and
that's when it started.

(16:10):
And yes, it, Bradley, it's beena again, and I come from a very,
again, that's part of me too.
I come from a very heavypsychology background.
My mom was a, a therapist.
I was an administrator for anadolescent residential treatment
center for years.
I, I, I, I had all thisinformation and, and, and all

(16:33):
this stuff, and I neverexercised it on myself.
Mm-hmm.
I just, just a lot of thosethings.
But the other thing too is Iknow how hard it is to go back
or do whatever and deal withtraumatic things, especially
from childhoods, extreme abuse,you know, you know, all those

(16:53):
things.
Physical, mental, I, I get itcuz I lived it for a long time.
You know, mental, sexual thewhole thing.
So I, again, it, it's, it's,this is all part of my message
and you asked me, you know,About kind of my process and,
you know, people being in kindof that position.
And that's where your firstquestion started.
And I, one of the things Ilearned from me, I'm not, I

(17:18):
don't, I, I can't deal withbeing pacified.
I don't, I'm don't respond tothat.
I don't respond to, let's talkabout this long, drawn out stuff
and do all these exercises andlike come back and meet and
then, we'll, you know that withthe therapy stuff, that's where
the cognitive behavioral therapystuck.
But, and then the savage thingwhere it comes in.

(17:40):
So when people ask me, and youcan go through all my comments
cuz they always do that.
I don't know how to do this,what do I do?
Mm-hmm.
I said, well first of all I'llgo back and watch my videos and,
and, and keep watching'embecause I do it as gently as I
can now.
I used to be a little moregruffer with it, but shut up.
Shut you.
That's the first step is to shutup.

(18:02):
and the second step is to nowstart making, taking some
action.
Instead of saying that, insteadof going, I don't know what to
do, go figure out what to do.
There's, you're an adult, soyou, you, you should have some,
some skills cuz you're on socialmedia asking me that question.
So Google, you know, go talk toa therapist, get in a group,

(18:24):
read a book, anything that willstart leading you to whatever
that it needs to be.
Mm-hmm.
if it's important to you enoughand you're willing to go through
the pain and, and, and, and dothe work, you will heal.
You can get better fromanything.
And so I try to give thatmessage as best as I can.

(18:47):
Right.
In a way that, that it's more,you know, people hear that one
of the, one of the best booksI've ever read.
Was in, I don't know how longago it was, four or five years
ago, whenever was that wasanother plateau.
That was one of those thingsAgain, that leap leapfrogged me
a little bit.
Yeah.
Was you Can't Hurt Me By, byDavid Goggins.
Yep.
First of all, the first part ofthe book, very similar

(19:09):
childhoods, again, not exactlythe, you know, same but
different.
Mm-hmm.
I just was like, oh my gosh.
You know, I mean, so Right.
Then I knew this, this guy, andthen just learning more about
him and, and, and then that,just, that book and, and the,
and the mindset.
That's, that's then when Ireally started knowing that I

(19:33):
could do things to control mymind.
Mm.
That I could not accept my mind,leading me down how I had lived
my life.
I could make those changes.
That was a big.
Big, big hit for me too.
So, and then again, things havehappened after that, but you
know, through all, everything.

(19:54):
But those are, it's doing thework.
You gotta, you gotta get inthere.
There's no, there's no formula.
Now.
That's part of what I said aminute ago about trying to
define my message a little bitbetter.
Cause people are like, well,what is this healthcare Savage?
Or, or what is it that Self-CareSavage does?
And I get that.
And for me, so I'm, I'm, I'm,I've created kind of a booklet.

(20:16):
I just haven't, you know,officially done anything with
it.
I will, I'm not, cuz the book'scoming out and now I feel now I
have restraints on me.
You know how those things work.
Yep.
So, but it gives some formulasaround how I do it.
And that's another thing.
The other thing with socialmedia and just everybody in
general, therapist, I come downon'em a lot.

(20:38):
Life coaches, all these things,a lot of.
them drive me crazy because theydon't do it.
And, and I know they don't doit.
Mm-hmm.
because they don't show it.
This is what they do.
And that's, that's the other bigpiece is, is stop listening to
people that have not been there,done that, or doing it.

(21:01):
Mm-hmm.
and it's simple.
People go to therapists and youknow what?
They go to therapists hoping thetherapist will take them on.
Mm-hmm.
look, the therapist works foryou.
This is that savage mentality.
Understand they're a tool foryou.
Right.
Doesn't mean you can't respectthem.
And, you know, and, and, andunderstand.

(21:22):
They're, they, you know,they're, they have, they're in
touch with things littledifferently.
That's cool.
But they're people, they havesome skills you need to help you
understand you to move forwardso you can have a more happier,
peaceful life and, and, and takebetter care of yourself.
And then guess what?
All you people are always like,well, I can't you know, I, cuz I

(21:45):
always talk about puttingyourself first and you have to.
There, there's, it's, that's,that's an there, you can't
explain your way out of that.
But everybody does try, try to.
Well, what about my kids?
Well, my mom's been sick foryears and this, that, and the
other.
I have to take care of them.
Well, Greg, but you know what,you know what you're giving'em

(22:05):
right now, even as a parent,parents, you know, I come down
on too, is you guys are ha it'shalf-assed.
You're parenting your kidshalf-assed.
You know why?
Because you don't take care ofyourself.
And, and, and if you took careof yourself and realized you
were pouring from half a cup oran empty cup and you're giving
up and then you're beinginappropriate and you're getting

(22:26):
frustrated and you're having,you know, if you wanna be a good
parent, if you wanna be a goodspiritual leader in the church,
if you wanna be a goodpolitician, if you wanna be a
good school board councilman, orwhatever the hell it is, you
wanna do that, you tout yourselfand give yourself, I'm a leader.
Just prove it.

(22:46):
Prove it.
Because you don't act like it,you know, watch y'all get up.
You know, it's like ourpoliticians, y'all get up
freaking on the middle of anystream, you know, go into the
chambers and here, here, herethey are looking like two year
olds.
Like, you know, they're a bunchof grownups in daycare, you
know, and how they'reinteracting with each other.
These are our leaders in theworld.

(23:08):
I just don't, I don't, I'm justnot interested in it anymore.
Mm-hmm.
And that at that level, Andthat's, so maybe get to your
point of your question.
Maybe my passion's coming out alittle bit too, but No, that's
great.
This is what a self-care savageis.
You, you gotta take care ofyourself first.
If you wanna be.
All these things you say youare, if you want to get out of
things, if you want to heal, youwanna forgive, you wanna move

(23:31):
forward, you wanna find whateverit is you're looking for, peace,
happiness, whatever.
Then do the freaking work.
Do the freaking work.
It's not hard to find what todo.
Find, you have to find whatworks for you.
Mm-hmm.
So the booklet I'm gonna put outor whatever in the friendly
reminders book and things likethat are gonna give a little

(23:51):
more information about what I dospecifically.
And a lot of the, part of mysocial media is about the
outdoors and hiking so everybodyknows that.
I promote the heck outta theoutdoors.
And because that's whattriggered all a lot of all this.
And, and that's what that'swhere I heal.
That's where I heal my mind,body, and my soul.
That's, that's where that's whatit is for me.

(24:14):
But not everybody can do that,trust me.
And I know that cuz they tell methat, well, I can't do what you
do.
I can't do that.
I know you can't.
You know why you can't, cuz youcan't.
Cause you keep saying you can'tyou know?
Yep.
What, what is, what is thatquote?
If you say you can or you sayyou can't, you're right.
Yep.
You're right.
Either way you get the quote.
Yeah.
Something like that.
Yep.
Yeah, you're right.
Either way.

(24:34):
So anyways, I'm, I, I get offtopic a lot.
I'm sorry, but hopefully thatanswered your

question.
No, I, I love the passion andyou brought up a lot of really
interesting points.
The whole self-care savage thingat first glance, like you said,
it can seem almost like they'reopposing each other.
Cuz a lot of people hearself-care and they think like
drawing a bubble bath and likelaying arou, you know what I
mean?
Self quote unquote.
That's maintenance self-care.
That ain't self-care.

(24:59):
Yeah, exactly.
So there's that.
And then Savage is obviously alittle bit more, I don't know,
hardcore or however you wannasay it, but it's more like being
savage about your own self-careis exactly.
Is kind of the how to, if therewere a way to reword it, I
guess, but also what you talkedabout.
Yes.
Coaches, therapists, all thatstuff.

(25:21):
It's useful, it's tools.
They can point you in the rightdirection, but ultimately
they're never gonna be able todo the work for you.
And so you're gonna have to doit yourself.
And I feel like that's where theoutdoor.
And kind of this space ties intoit all because I think if you,
if you never got out there andyou never gave yourself this
quietness, this space where it'sjust you and like you're, you're

(25:45):
kind of forced to sit withyourself in your own thoughts
and work through them in a waythat you probably hadn't before
or that you had distractedyourself from

because you can hear them.
Mm-hmm.
Bradley, you can, you can't, youcan't, you can't heal if you
don't know where it is, where itcame from.
Yep.
And if you, not, if you, if, ifyou're not listening and hear,
you know, it starts just being,that's where it all, then as
years go by and you become anadult and you later start living

(26:15):
your life, all that stuff getsjumbled up.
You know, when I really look, mydad was, my, was was, was the
one, he was the one and he wasalcoholic.
He was the, all these things forme.
You know, I was his target andif it's, you know, the reason I

(26:36):
say that I got to, for years, Inever had a, ever had a positive
memory of him.
Mm.
It just got so buried with allthe negatives.
I was hanging onto all thestories.
I was kept telling about howthis happened to me and, you

(26:57):
know, all that victim crap, allthat, just hanging onto it and,
and, and, and when you heal, Imean, not heal a little bit when
you really heal mm-hmm.
and I know what that is nowbecause you know what?
I don't, well, I have, I still,I still have those memories, but
they're not memories that drawme back in and they're, and I,

(27:20):
and I dwell on'em and it affectsmy, my day, whatever.
Meeting I have or whatever Ihave going on for whatever.
It doesn't do that anymore.
It's just okay, some, you know,something triggered that or
whatever, and I just had thismemory.
But the memories I do have thatI do travel back to is all that

(27:40):
stuff that got buried.
Hmm.
Remembering that time, my daddid sit down with me and he, you
know, never told me he loved me.
Things like that.
And, you know, usually his handwas, was of, of a very painful
when it, when it touched me.
But now I remember when thattime we were sitting down and he

(28:01):
did just gimme that littlenudge.
Or he did, he did say somethingthat he, you know, jokingly was
funny and just kind of took thetension off the moment.
He did take me fishing, youknow, he did, he is the, he did
take me hunting.
I mean, a lot of times it wasn'tpleasant, but, but he, and, and

(28:23):
then, So I, I, and now Iremember, and now to hear these
memories come and I'm like, ohmy freaking God, you know?
Mm-hmm.
and, and, and a lot of timesthen that's where you start
forgiving.
That's the forgiveness is, isOh, you know, and, and cuz the
big part too is I understandwhere my father came from.

(28:44):
You know, he came from, from, hewas, they, they were extremely
poor, you know, he, you know,they were small Texas town.
and he, he went in the Navy whenhe was 15, you know, cuz you
know, they struggling eating andyou know, but he went in the
Navy when he was 15, he wasshipwrecked for three days.
Mm-hmm.
you know, he was a gunner on,on, on, on one of those ships

(29:06):
and Wow.
And, and then he came out out ofthe Navy and went to work in a
construction industry, you know,building power lines, you know,
he was a lineman and he grewover whatever years it was, you
know, 40 years doing that.
And he ended up owning thecompany.
Of course.
That's really hard to do now.
Mm-hmm.
But he, you know, those are, andthose are things that, that,
that are, are, are great thingsabout him, but he never had a

(29:29):
chance, you know, he came from apoor environment, abused
himself, I mean, Shane to hishouse at one point for, you
know, going to neighbors when hewas three and four because they
were so hungry asking for food.
I'm just trying to give youthese points and then mm-hmm.
you know, going, the Navygetting shipwrecked.
He's 15, 16, 17 years old kidgetting out, going to work in

(29:52):
his construction field.
Well, you think any of theseguys, you wanted to hear about
your poor little mes growing upand then he starts drinking and
that's part big part of thatwildness, the gambling, the
women, all that stuff.
Well, he never had a chance.
Mm-hmm.
you know, maybe I can, you know,look pop someday when I see him
again.
You know, I can say, you look,you know, maybe try, maybe could

(30:14):
try harder, but I forgive younow.
But, but he, you know, so you,you start doing these things and
you start forgiving people orstart seeing these things, or
then you start telling the storydifferently.
Mm-hmm.
then if it becomes, then itbecomes this is what can happen
for you.
And that's where my message isnow and where it's going.

(30:36):
with this self-care savage is,you gotta do, look, you gotta do
the work, you gotta go throughhell.
This was not easy getting there,you know?
It, it was, but you, you can doit and, and you have to do it.
And so I, I'm again, I get lostin some of my answers sometimes.
I'm not sure exactly what thequestion you asked was, so I
hope we got to it.

Yeah, no, it's interesting when you bring that
up cuz I think a lot of peoplehave a similar person in their
life that maybe they blame orthat they have bad you know,
memories of and that sort ofthing.
And, but what you, what you saidwithout saying it was that it's
all about what you focus on,right?
So for years you focused on thenegative and that like, when you

(31:20):
focus on something, you'reessentially feeding it, right?
Yeah.
And so you made that bigger andbigger and bigger.
maybe then it was maybe not.
But you had, you didn't focus onthose little good things.
And that completely, once youstart focusing on that,
completely shifted, completelychanged everything.
Right?
And so luckily, no matter what,one of the few things that we

(31:40):
have full, total control over atall times is what we focus on.
That's right.
And that's also a muscle, right?
Like focus is a muscle that webuild that the better you get at
it, the easier it is to focus onwhat you want, like what you
talked about earlier.
Instead of it taking hours toget your mind back on track, now
it takes a few minutes toredirect because you're so,
you're able to redirect yourfocus.

(32:01):
And so I feel like being outsideand again, being in that
silence, having the, your, theroom and the space to yourself
and your your own mind gives youthe space to like learn how to
direct your focus, right?
Because so many people just aredistracted constantly.

(32:22):
whether that's conscious or asubconscious thing.
It's so easy in today's world,we don't go anywhere without our
cell phones and screen in frontof our face and constant
simulation and that kind ofstuff.
And so that is like, we're,we're letting all these external
things choose where our focusgoes.
Right?
And when you're outside, it'sall on you, right?
There's, there's nothing elsearound.

(32:45):
And so I feel like that's, youknow, I could say, and I've said
it on other podcasts too, like,go out, people need to be
outside more.
They need to be in theirthoughts more.
They need more silence, moresolitude, all these things.
And cuz I know for me, I startto feel off if I don't have
that, I'm a very, I'm a veryintrospective person and so,
right.
I used to really.

(33:06):
Like I miss being in Arizonabecause here the weather going
out on my walks, it's not quitethe same.
There's, there's not as muchnature and like that kind of
stuff.
So I notice it directly and Ican speak to it directly as
well.
And it's almost like an easierform of meditation, right?
Meditation could be tough cuzyou're sitting there and you're
like trying to block out allthese things that are right

(33:26):
around you.
Whereas you go out there andit's like, it kind of, it almost
does it for you in a sense.
But go ahead.
I know you wanted to saysomething.
Well, no, I was

just, I was just going to kind, I wanted to add
to that just, you know, there'stwo other points to that cuz
what I always say it's ishealing the mind, you know, the
body and the soul and with themeditation, things like that you
talked about a little bit.
Get in touch with yourspirituality, whatever that
could be.
Or, or you know, justunderstanding, you know, a
little bit more about, you know.

(33:54):
But the other main thing is whatI'm after and what really is
helpful.
You have got.
To, to everybody to be moreeffective in my opinion is you
got to exert your body and youjust not where you get tired or

(34:16):
you start sweating and you sitdown.
That's when you start.
You look for that, that thattrail, that that's gonna go be a
little steeper and you just keepgoing and you need to exhaust
yourself.
Then talk about surrendering.
Mm-hmm.
talk about all those thoughtsand feelings coming and you're

(34:38):
feeling weak physically.
It is, is it puts you in a veryit puts you in presence,
meditative state on its own.
It does.
It brings you right here andyou're able to then that's,
that's again, it, it, they alltie in together and, and.

(34:59):
And that's one of the things I,I don't push as much as I would
like to.
Because I think, I think there'sways to do things that, that are
important to me now to get mymessage across.
But the physical thing is reallyimportant.
You know, it's, it's, it's,it's, you've gotta, you've gotta
move your body, you know, all,look, I'm 60 again.
I'm 62, I'm not mm-hmm.

(35:20):
I'm grateful for, for myphysical stuff now and what I'm
able to do and, and, and get,you know, and, and grateful for
every day I get up and, but Imove around so much and I meet
so many people.
A lot of people are in this arare in the RV type world.
Mm-hmm.
you know, I'm a little, littlebit different than that.
A little bit kind of in the moreso, but it's it's just sad.

(35:41):
They've gi you know, people havejust given up physically.
Yeah, they're just taking pillsand they're, they're, and, and
then they throw the, you know,the other, the stuff in their
food they're taking the pillsfor.
And, you know, it's just, it's,it's crazy.
And so nobody can heal when,when, when that's happening.

(36:02):
I mean, people can't, and, andlook, I, I've got grandkids I
hope coming someday and I have,you know, I wanna be better for
them.
I wanna be here for them.
Mm-hmm.
I don't wanna be exhibiting tothem that I've, I've earned some

(36:23):
Right.
To just sit on my freaking ass.
I can't, I'm not being criticalof people.
Right.
This is just where I'm at.
This is that savage part.
You're not gonna be a self-caresavage if you sit down.
Mm-hmm.
You're gonna have to get up,you're gonna have to do savage
thing.
Yeah.
And hard things, and you have topush yourself, but, oh my gosh,
on the other end, it's, it's soincredible.

(36:45):
I still have so much work to do,but it, it's so incredible.
So I just wanted to throw inthat that physical piece is, is
very important, you know?
And then, you know, again, itbrings a lot of the spirituality
into it.
And again, people have their ownthings, you know, around
spirituality.
Mm-hmm.
So it's, you know, I don'tdirect, I don't try to direct
anything around that.
I, I believe there is a,something greater than me and I

(37:08):
refer to them as God, becausethat's what I know the, the name
is.
But you know, it's all, it's alla process for all of us.
And anyways, I can keep talking.
Yeah.
No,

I think it's, I agree a hundred percent with
what you said.
There's kind of this narrativethat, like as soon as.
That like, I don't know thatit's okay to just let yourself
go physically.
Even I'm, I'm 31, right?
I'm half your age and I see, youknow, people who are in, you

(37:39):
know, I guess like my ideallistener, right?
Not most people or theseentrepreneur circles I run in,
they tend to be more driven.
People work out a lot and thatsort of thing, but like the
general public, the generalpopulation, the career minded
people, it's like everyone Iknow from that space is kind of
around, that's around my age.

(37:59):
They're starting to have kids,they're starting to buy houses
and quote unquote, like settledown at like 30 and.
You know, they worked out backin the day to attract a mate or
to, you know, whatever that, andnow they're like, oh, well I got
all those boxes checked, like,why do I need to be in shape and
mm-hmm.
like, as soon as they hit theirthirties, it's like, man, here
comes like the, the beer belly.

(38:20):
And it's like, well, I have 40and 50.
Are you gonna be able to playsports with your kids growing
up?
And that kind of stuff.
Like, forget about even doing itat in your sixties.
Right.
And so, yeah, it's just kind ofthis crazy narrative that I
think is especially popular herein, in western culture with big,
big pharma and all that kind ofstuff that we, we won't get

(38:42):
into.
I've done that on plenty ofother episodes, but how yeah.
How do, how do you feel now at62 compared to, you started
hiking regularly, like around50, right?

Yeah, but you gotta, so yes, and I'm, I'm, I'm
in, I feel better than I everhave.
There is so much in, in all thattoo.
And I am, mm-hmm.
this is part of one of thethings I'm working on.
You're seeing, like, people are,again, I talk about you're wa
you're watching what my, I'mtrying to transform into my
healing and stuff like that.

(39:14):
So, I'm not gonna talk aboutsome things I wanna talk about
right now, but because it justgets off into some other things,
I'm gonna stay, stay on focushere.
And so I feel so much betterbetter than I ever have at any
stage in my life.
I, I, I just will say I, I knowwhat being fat is.
You know, I'm, I'm six, almost 63, 16 and a half or six.

(39:37):
We'd call whatever you want.
And I'm about 180 5, 1 90.
I matriculate in there.
I was at one time when I was 35years old, I was 2 60, 65.
Wow.
And, and, and it was, and Iwasn't doing anything but
playing some business golf hereand there, you know, and things
like, I mean, and so, yeah, itwas it was, I was a, I was such

(40:03):
a mess physically, so I know howmuch that impacted and kept me
also stuck mentally.
So that's where it's all part ofit.
Now that I've gone through thisand done all the work I want, I
want people to start doing thework when they're 15, when
they're 20.
You know, let's get in therewhen you're by, at least by your

(40:23):
time you're 30.
And my God, don't let yourselfget to 40.
Cuz I know what's happened forme, where my mind is and, and
I'm, and what's ignited andwhat's just gotten on fire.
And it's all because I feelbetter and I feel capable.
And a lot of it is physically,look, I'm not jacked, you know,

(40:44):
I, I, I don't, and I don't workto get jacked.
I, I work to stay strong.
Mm-hmm.
flexible.
So I can go out and hike and beas, as effective as I wanna be.
So if I'm driving throughColorado later this summer and
there's a fourteener there that,that, I'm like, you know what?
I've been wanting to do that.
I'm gonna pull the hell over.

(41:05):
I'm gonna put my pack on it.
I'm gonna, I'm going, I'm gonnago do, and I wanna be able to do
it.
That is what all of this doesfor you.
So, zeroing back in on yourquestion at 62, I feel amazing
all because of that.
It's, it's, it's a lifestyle.
It's daily.
And again, I encourage anybodyoutside, hiking, there's public

(41:30):
lands out there around, A lot ofpeople say, well, I can't afford
to do what you do.
I mean, you drive around, yougotta.
Well, yeah, it guess costsmoney.
You know, when it gets 25degrees out and I'm in my camper
and you know, I gotta get mypropane heater going and it's
gonna take a couple of canistersthere and cost 10 bucks for the
day, 10 bucks for, for the heat.
You heat yourself.

(41:51):
I don't have a mortgage.
I don't, I've chosen this typeof lifestyle.
Yeah.
Choose the lifestyle that willput you in that position to get
healthier physically, mentally,and spiritually.
Mm-hmm.
So you can be better foryourself, be better for your,
your kids.
You can be a leader if you wantto, and actually be doing it.

(42:12):
All of those things.
That's how I feel.
I feel strong and capable andmotivated as hell.
That's awesome.

And I think that's possible for anyone to be on the
upswing in your sixties and, youknow, the kind of, mm-hmm.
main, na mainstream narrative isthe opposite of that, but it's.
You touched on something toothat always drives me insane, is
when people see other peopledoing these things that are
like, man, that'd be so cool todo.
They're like, they immediatelyjumped to like, I can't do it.

(42:45):
Instead of, well, let me thinkabout it.
He pro he, he gave up his house.
He doesn't have a mortgage, hedoesn't have this and that, and
the comforts of, so it's like,it's, it's choices, it's
decisions.
Everyone who's doing thesethings that you look at like to
do that, they're giving upsomething else most of the time.
You know what I mean?
Right.
Like long, like, I've had a lotof people on the show who do

(43:07):
long-term travel.
We just did like a two monthtrip in Europe and you know,
people are like, man, I, I wishI could do that.
And I'm like, well, you can.
We gave up our apartment.
We, you know, saved up for along time.
We, you know, my wife didn'tmake any money nursing.
She chose to take that time offand I made.
For the last two or three years.

(43:27):
Like that was something I wantedto do.
And so I made sure I could workfrom anywhere.
And so there's all of thesethings, all these factors that
go into it.
Mm-hmm.
It's not just like, Hey, we'relucky or we're, you know, trust
fund baby, so we could just dowhat we want.
You know what I'm saying?
So it all comes out.
Yeah.
I

have a friendly reminder on that.
I did a, a few weeks ago thatthat, that, that touched on,
touched on that There was alittle resistance to it.
I don't get a lot of resistanceto my stuff, but there was a
little to it.
I said, look, if you wanna startdoing things that matter, then
stop doing things that don'tYep.
Right.
It's that simple.
Exactly what you just said.

(44:02):
The trading, you know, you know,it is really, it, it look, but I
also get it.
I also am empathetic.
I also understand Right, howhard it's, but if you're not
gonna do it, you're gonnacriticize others for doing it.
You're gonna blah, blah, blah.
I said, again, if you are notgonna make those steps to do it,

(44:22):
that's cool, that's cool.
And if you, if you're good,that's cool.
Mm-hmm.
But otherwise, shut up.
shut.
Yeah, shut.
Just shut up.
Right.
You know, you've got nonarrative in the game here.
Just, just go away.
And, but if you ever wanna comeback and you ever wanna ask me a
question something productive,you know, can you help me with

(44:44):
this?
Or, Hey, here's my situation,you know, you know, you have any
ideas around it, you know, I'llbe glad to, to give you my
thoughts if you ask me.
But don't come around heresaying, I gonna do that.
Like you just said, I can't dothat or care for you must be
lucky, or mm-hmm.
you know, you know, you musthave a great pension or
something.
Like, no, I don't, I'm still,you know, I'm here grinding like

(45:05):
everybody else, but I'm doingwhat I want to.
Right?
That's what, that's, that's,that's the other piece.
Anyways.

Yeah.
It comes down to like, if you'veread the four agreements or
familiar with that.
Yeah.
Never make assumptions, right.
So, right.
Yeah.
But another thing that I'mcurious about, you talk about
public lands, which, you know,I'm somewhat familiar with, but
like, I grew up in Boy Scoutscamping all the time, and I
didn't really know what publiclands or BLM lands and that kind
of stuff was until I moved outto Arizona in my late twenties.

(45:36):
So, yeah, for people who arecurious, it's all, most of it's
at out west.
Most of it's out west.
Yeah.
But for people who are curiousand are like, okay, where can I,
like, learn more or find publiclands that I can go explore and
stay on and that kind of thing.
What are, where would yourecommend they start?

So, there's a lot of apps out there.
So I utilize apps.
I've, I've been doing a longtime now.
I've got my favorite spots andthings like that.
Mm-hmm.
but But you know, there's justsimple apps.
I mean, I don't work with any ofthese companies, but there's you
know, I guess the main one thatI would point anybody to if you
want to start doing some of thatis you can, you can actually use
the National Forest and, andnational Parks or what is it?

(46:15):
B l M, you know, through allthat, they're all connected to
where you can get what's publicand what might be you know,
because public still, therecould be some charges to it.
Mm-hmm.
sometimes public land, like someof the campgrounds in those, you
know, are charging.
But I, I don't, I don't utilizethose unless I wanna shower or
do something where they havethose facilities, but Right.

(46:36):
Give back to your question.
There's a, there's an app calledthat I use mostly, it's called
Cam camp.
and, and you're gonna ask me howto spell it?
I can't, but you can look,people can Google it.
It's Cam and it, it's actually,they have a free part.
The reason I give that whenpeople ask me is, is it's free.
I, I have upgraded one just cuzI wanna know about the cell
service.

(46:57):
I know about certain things thatyou get with upgrade, but you
can get free thing tells youwhere everything, and you just
tap on where you're at and it'lltell you where everything is
around you.
So, and, and a lot of people,they get the reason there's a
mix up, I think, and that peopleI've talked to, so there's a big

(47:18):
difference between nationalforest land and national parks.
Mm-hmm.
National Force, BM, B l m, landstate sponsored lands Corps of
Engineers.
You know, there's all theselittle things that you, that are
everywhere and and they're free.
They're all, I mean, again, mostof'em, you can find those if you

(47:41):
want to pay, if you want littleamenities, but being in the most
beautiful spots as remote as youwanna be, or a lot of people
that, that do that and travel todo that you, you'll see they'll
congregate kind of together.
You know, there'll be this openarea over there.
A lot of people like to parkover there cause they feel safer
and all those kind of things.

(48:01):
Mm-hmm.
and all that.
And then there's people like methat, you know, I just, I wanna
go back as far as I can go.
And so you can find any of thatand it's, it's free and it's
beautiful and a lot of it isit's just not used.
I mean, it's just so many forestroads that you can drive down.

(48:22):
Mm-hmm.
they go, they're not even on alot of, I mean, they just go
these, these places that peopledon't go.
Anyways, it, it, it is what it,I just fell in love with him.
I mean, I don't know.
Mm-hmm.
any other way I'd wanna travel.
I, but here's the thing.
I did all this because again, Iwanted to spend this self-care

(48:42):
Savage for me has really beenputting myself in a lot of
remote isolated areas to where,you know, for, for, you know,
10, sometimes 14 days, you know,I, I, I would be out when I
first really started this.
And, and, you know, the,there's, but again, people don't
have to do it that way.

(49:03):
They can do it however theywant.
You figure out what happens.
There's so much, there's so muchof it out there.
But I think I was talking aboutnational parks and National
Forest, national Parks,everything you're gonna pay for
mm-hmm.
you gotta have a, have a parkpass, or you gotta pay the daily
rate.
If you do want to camp, it'sgonna be like an RV park.
It's gonna be 30, 40, 50, 60, 80bucks depending on where you're

(49:23):
at.
Mm-hmm.
So there's a, that's a differentkind of thing.
So people, when they startresearching things, they start
looking at parks and they'relike, well, I can't park here
for this.
There's, there's none of this.
So you, again, you do have tosearch and look for public, open
public lands and you know,people will be able to find it.
Compendiums a great app forthat.
And was gonna tell you somethingelse.
But anyways, Okay.

I think, I think we got it.
Yeah, that's helpful.
I haven't heard of that app and.
I never had it really spelledout the difference between the
National Parks and NationalForest.
I kind of had, I was familiar,I've been to some national parks
of, of course, and then out inArizona where I was, there's,
there's a lot of public lands.
But yeah, I think it'saccessible.
It's for anyone Yes.

(50:06):
Who wants to, wants to get thereand affordable.
Right.
So, absolutely.
But I also, I also think whatyou said is kind of a great
analogy for not most people, youknow, there's those people over
there in the kind of the safe,open spots, and then yes, you're
going off the beaten path, thepath less traveled.
And that's just kind of thewhole mentality of not most
people.

(50:26):
But one thing before that I, Iwanted to touch on while you
were here was social media,

because Yeah.
So

you kind of on the surface, almost go against what
people would expect.
You got this big.
pretty engaged following with noreal high production quality.
You're, you're 60.
Most people think they're tooold for Instagram, you know, at
that age.
And, you know, if we're justbeing, being honest and, uh

(50:57):
mm-hmm.
and it's, it's just so simple.
So like, what do you think aresome of those, we talked about
your message earlier and how alot of people really resonate
with it, but what are some ofthose things that you think
really helps you kind of growthis, this following from
scratch?

Because people know I'm, I'm, I'm for real.
I mean, and, and what I mean,what I mean by that is, is, you
know, I never realized, y again.
You, you started understandingthings cuz people start
commenting on things and youstart going, really, I do that,
or I said that, or, that's how,but Okay.

(51:35):
I, I wa.
you have to go back to remembermy kids, you know, my sons are
26 and 28.
You know, I come from, one of'emis a videographer, and the other
one's a very, he's verybusinessy and mm-hmm.
he's crushing it.
I, I could talk about my kidsall day, but they're the, the
social media stuff.
And, and one of the first thingsthat I picked up on very, very

(51:59):
early was, you don't needproduction value.
You don't need this, that, andthe other.
You don't need anything that I,I don't have a GoPro.
I don't have a camera.
I have my phone.
Mm-hmm.
So my YouTube videos, everythingI do is done on my phone.
Now, I've learned how to do somethings a little differently so I

(52:21):
can get through things, but Allthat.
If you want to start posting,you wanna start, you've got
something to say to the worldand things like that.
You just need to start doing it.
If you are waiting to get whatyou need to make sure it's going
to come off the way you want it,it's not, nobody's gonna watch

(52:43):
you anyways because you just,did you not hear what just came
outta your mouth?
You, you have to presentyourself in a certain way.
Mm-hmm.
people can't get outta that.
Look, if you're a movie star oryou're, you're a public figure
that's, you know, on, on thenews and stuff.
I mean, that world's Ientrenched itself and laid it

(53:04):
down.
It's never gonna change anytimesoon.
They have to be all made up inthe prettiest wear, whatever
the, you know, Gucci or whateverthe hell they're gonna wear
which is cool.
I mean, my, so, you know,Gucci's cool.
I'm not putting that down.
I'm just saying that's, that'sthat level.
That's, you know, I, I, there'sadvantages to being 60.

(53:26):
First of all you're, when, whenyou get to be my age, there's no
middle ground anymore.
You're either still operatingand kind of scared to do things.
You're, however you were withmaybe a little timid, you are,
you know, you're like, ah, youknow, that's, you know,
whatever.
Or you've gotten to like, whereyou're at, where I am right now.
Where, look, I, I've alreadyburied my ass.
There's not anything else Icould destroy in this world.

(53:48):
I've I've failed pretty much ateverything.
I've almost been the pinnacleand burnt myself down.
I've done all these things and,and I don't care about
impressing people.
There's, there's, there's twopeople I care about are
impressing, and those are mysons.
That's it.
Mm-hmm.
there's, there's, that's the,those are my whys.
That's what I care about.
So when I put that phone on meand I'm hiking, it's not.

(54:11):
Staged, it's not whatever atthat moment.
And, and so, and then I got atip from somebody and I don't
even remember who it was, but itwas so powerful Bec because
they, I was talking to him and Iremember them asking me, what
are you trying to do?
Why can't I remember who thiswas?

(54:32):
And I said, well, I'm just, I'mjust trying to put myself out
there.
I'm trying to hold myselfaccountable.
All that stuff I told you.
And they said, well, you, youknow, people are, are kind of
resonating with that.
He says, he said, lemme give youa tip about videoing.
He said, stop looking atyourself on the phone, because
when you're looking at yourselfon the phone, it doesn't, people

(54:54):
don't think you're looking atthem.
Hmm.
He said, start looking at thecam.
The little, the little camerathing.
Yeah.
So I started doing that and itwas like immediate.
people started the, the commentswere coming in, you know, with
other comments.
Like, I feel like you'retalking, you're looking right at
me.
Mm-hmm.
I feel like you're talkingstraight to me.
Mm-hmm.

(55:14):
these are just evolutions ofthings.
You start realizing when you'retrying to spread a message, you
know, these are things that youdo need to, to, to give to
people you need, you do need tolearn to do things a little bit
different.
But I know you talked aboutsimplicity.
That's the simplicity.
I started with my phone.
I do whatever.
I've learned a few things to dowith it.
I do different captions now.

(55:35):
You know, I do all these otherthings.
I do I do cut it from that verybeginning to the end.
You know, I do certain thingswith those friendly reminders
but I don't mess with the Idon't, I don't do anything where
it changes my skin tone or what,what is it called?
I don't, I mean, I don'tPhotoshop anything.
Whatever.
You, you see me and it's thenatural setting.
I've tried to put it on somedifferent things and I'm like,
well, that, that looks weird.

(55:56):
That's, to me, it doesn't looklike me.
Right?
So, so I just don't do it.
Trust me, I'm human.
I have things going through myhead all the time.
How can, how can I make thisbetter?
How can I tweak this and dothis?
And every time I mess with myfriendly reminders every time,
like I've, I tried to take offmusic.
I've tried to put differentmusic on.

(56:18):
Now this, again, now we'retalking about getting a little
bit toward, you know, I, youknow, you, you do do what you
want to do, but also you startseeing, and, and, and again,
this social media plays on thealgorithms.
Mm-hmm.
And they play and they see whatyou do and you don't do, and

(56:38):
they see what works and doesn't.
I don't know exactly all about'em.
Anybody tells you they dodoesn't.
But it, everything you do dodoes play into it.
So I always tinker with, Ialways tinkered with it to where
I don't tinker with it anymore.
So I just do the same thingevery day.
My friendly reminders I don'tmess with.

(56:59):
I test some other things formaybe some future use.
But the friendly reminders, I'm,I'm out wherever I'm at, like to
this morning's one.
You can go look at it.
I'm wearing what I'm wearingnow.
Yeah.
This is what I wore yesterday,but I'm walking, I got off the
side of the road.
In fact, I was, it was close tothe Mexican border when I was
coming down 10.
And, and where I stoppedactually the border patrolman,

(57:20):
you know, after I was donevideo, he came by and if you
look at my rig, you know, I looklike I'm, you know, fixing a
Baja or something.
But you know, and I'm, I'm onthis fence line kind of off, off
the road and I had to show himmy, I said, well, I said, here's
what I do.
And I said, I was just doing avideo and da da da da.
I'm not waiting for, you know,pick up, you know, a couple of

(57:41):
border hoppers and take themanywhere, So, anyways, but I, I
just stop.
I, I do, you know, I, I, youknow, I got whatever's on my
mind and, and, and I just, youknow, that, that was where I was
at.
Anyways, just again, the wholething about not you people,
especially starting.
If they, if they're gonna try tobe perfect, then they're gonna

(58:03):
try to have what they need.
I can tell you right now, it'snever gonna happen cuz you'll
not do it.
Right.
You pick up your phone and justdo whatever it is you wanna do.
The, the other thing I will sayis there is value in production,
things like that.
Mostly on, this is me, mostly onInstagrams and talks Facebook
and things like that.
When you're doing videos forthose platforms and things like

(58:26):
that, you don't need some hugeproduction value anyways.
Now what I have learned isYouTube is a whole different
game when you start getting intolong form video things like
that, that, that's a differentballgame.
That's been one of my weakest,weakest pieces and with this new
series that I have coming out,starting in a couple weeks where

(58:46):
I'm hiking with people, we'retalking about mental health and
the things we're doing.
I'm not gonna give it all theway out.
I don't even have a name for it,but I've been planning it for a
long time.
But, I, I'm bringing my son on.
He's gonna kind of produce it.
I'm just gonna shoot it.
I'm gonna send him the, thefootage and he's gonna turn it
and I hope to gold, but he's gotall the software and does all

(59:08):
that.
Mm-hmm.
he can make the, the good cuts.
He can do all those things.
And that's very important forYouTube.
Right.
But if you're just starting outand you're just on social I
mean, if I, if, if this isadvice I'm, I'm giving or some
knowledge is just, just do it.
It's just like, it's just likeevery excuse you come up with,

(59:29):
with not exercising, or everyexcuse you come up with, with
not eating better.
Mm-hmm.
or, you know, or, or, or readingmore or, you know, whatever you
need to, all the excuses.
I don't have time on all that,or, you know, or, or how to do
it, or I don't have what I need.
Mm-hmm.
you know, like, the only thing Ican equate it to is, look, you
got a phone.
Okay.

(59:50):
And if, if you don't, you wannawork out and you don't, you
can't go to the gym, you can'tafford it, you don't have
equipment, then, then drop.
Gimme 10.
You know?
Right.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
It's mm-hmm.
it's, we talk ourselves out ofit.
And that's the only advice.
I guess the core of that is justpick up your phone and do it.
Everybody has the phone.

(01:00:11):
Yep.
Hit record, upload it to yoursocial media and get ready.
Hey, you look a fat, or, or youknow, like, you know, you, you
talk funny.
Whatever it's gonna be.
If you can't just go deleteblock or ignore it if you're
gonna leave it, laugh it off.

(01:00:31):
Yeah, laugh it off then thendon't do it because you are only
gonna crush yourself morebecause you're already not doing
the self-care.
Savage work for everything else.
Cuz you won't even turn yourcamera on and put it, upload it.
This is, all this stuff ties intogether.
You know, again, you wanna testyourself.
You wanna test your, see whereyou're at, level of how much you

(01:00:54):
care about what people think.
Post some stuff on social media.
Yep.
A hundred percent.
That, that'll, that'll, that'llgive you a real good idea of
where you think, you think youare

Bradley Roth (01:01:04):
anyway.
Yeah.
And sometimes that can bevaluable.
That feedback can be veryvaluable.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
But well, there's so there,there's so much good about it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
One other thing that stands outabout your me, like we talked
about, it's some, it's simple,it's authentic, it's real.
But the other thing is that it'svery consistent.
Like people go on there and theyknow exactly what you're about

(01:01:26):
very quickly.
Whereas I think a lot of people,you know, they want to talk
about this and that, or soundreally smart and then they lose
people and that sort of thing.
So I think the consistency andsimplicity is an auth
authenticity.
Like you had put those threethings together and good things
are gonna happen.
So, but also I'm wondering.

(01:01:46):
For you, when you come up withyour videos, is it, do you kind
of come up with one every timeyou hike?
Or is it you'll get a flood ofinspiration and do like five in
a row?
Or, and do you have a bunchbanked up or do you kind of do
'em just as they post'em as theycome?
What's

Scott Tatum (01:02:02):
your All, all the above?
Yeah.
It, it, it's, it's where I'm at,what I'm doing, what's
happening, what yeah.
I, it's, it's all the above.
I take what I can get here is,here is the thing.
It is I have to do it every day.
Mm-hmm.
I don't care what day it's, sowhether it's something I've

(01:02:24):
already shot or whatever I'mposting, it's gonna get posted.
Mm-hmm.
And I've, I've even tried toincorporate kind of regular
life.
Like when I say regular life,like if I'm with my boys or I'm
in this mm-hmm.
if I'm in the city, you know,and these are, these are those
little other little nuances.
So that are part of it.

(01:02:45):
It, you know, it, it takes awayfrom what it's all about
anyways.
It's, well, you're not outside,you know, then, then here come
all, and, and it just makes yourealize that what you just said
is the reason.
It is gaining traction.
People are getting things fromit.

(01:03:05):
So Bradley, here, here's, here'sthe thing.
Well, you know, because, becausesometimes people go, well,
you're kind of contradictingwhat you're saying by, you know,
trying to massage some of thesethings you do, but you're saying
you just do things up.
And here's what I tell people.
I said, why?
I said, please go look at any ofmy posts.
And I said, please take 10minutes and read it.

(01:03:27):
The comment.
and you tell me if you don'twanna be better.
Mm-hmm.
you tell me if that was youdoing that, that those people
telling you that you saved theirlife, that they've been able to
move on from this relationship.
They were able to, to, to walkaway from this abusive person.
They were able to, to nowthey're going hiking and you

(01:03:49):
know, things have really changedand, and, and they've gotten
this new job and gotten outtathis toxic whatever, this or
whatever.
Since you read all those, I saidthere's not two of them on
there.
I said there's hundreds.
Mm-hmm.
That's why I try to do better.

(01:04:10):
That's why, you know that I,that I do, do some of those say
so if those people, I'm nothitting, if I, if I'm, if it
takes me a little more work,takes me time to drive, takes me
more thought process.
Putting myself in a, in a betterplace.
That's what I do.

(01:04:30):
I still don't care when I turnthe camera on what this is going
on here.
Mm-hmm.
I still don't care aboutanything like that.
But my message is about theoutdoors.
It's about hiking, it's aboutmental health, public lands, and
that's what all ties in thosefriendly reminders.
So on an off chance you mightcatch me, you know, one here and

(01:04:53):
there, but I'm gonna doeverything I can to make sure
everything I post has all thoseelements in it, because that's
my message and that's what'severybody's, it's resonating
with everybody evidenced by goread the comments.
Because when I put it somethingup that maybe doesn't have that
thing that put they puttogether, it's like, what, what
happened?

(01:05:14):
Well, I was just not in a goodposition.
But these are things that I, Itake are very important.
This platform's important.
I, I, I tell my, I even tell myfollowers that says, you guys
are safe here.
I said, I protect this with mylife.
Mm-hmm.
my son that I'm bringing on tohelp me with stuff.
I've given him some, the, the,the information he needs to get

(01:05:35):
into the things he needs to getin to do, do what he does, but I
still won't give him myInstagram login stuff and all
two-factor stuff and all thatbecause it can be destroyed in a
minute.
But I am so protective of allthis whole community where it's
going.
I'm so grateful that, that, thatsomething like this happened and

(01:05:55):
this is opportunities, this is,this is one of those
opportunities not just for me,but always what I've done is, is
do something that's helpedothers.
Anything I've done in my life,but I've always, again, When it
started getting any traction orit was getting to a certain
point is when I chop my, chop mylegs out from underneath me.
Mm-hmm.

(01:06:16):
that ain't happening this time.
I'm gonna, this is, this is,we're gonna ride, ride and die
this one out.
And so it's just that, it's,it's that it's that important to
me.
So, anyway.
Yeah.
No,

I love that you're on track again.
No, I think you're right ontrack.
I think that's kind of thisbeautiful evolution.
I've seen it time and time againwhere some people start
something really for themselves,right?
You were doing this for yourselfinitially.
Mm-hmm.
and then because it providesvalue to other people, it grows
and then eventually it becomes,you're doing it because you feel

(01:06:48):
a responsibility to the peoplethat you're, and it's more about
them at a certain point than itis for you, even though I'm sure
it's still, you know, your, yourform of medicine and everything,
but Absolutely.
Yeah.
It's just cool how that happensand you know, I think it's
important for people to see thatso, I know we could probably
keep going here for a while, butI think yeah, we should probably

(01:07:09):
start wrapping it up here soon.
But first I wanna ask you thequestion that I ask everyone who
comes on the show, and that is,what is your definition of not
most people?
Or what does that mean to you?

It means pushing through the the things that are
hard.
Most people stop when it getshard.
Mm-hmm.
And there's, you gain nothingfrom that.
And that's, I, I think that's,that's, that's a big one for me.
I did it for decades.
Being 62 years old, things thatI've done have not been for a

(01:07:44):
couple years.
I did that for decades until Iembrace.
and sometimes I guess you dohave to give up or get to a
point like that.
Mm-hmm.
And I think most, not mostpeople, I think they all have
some sort of a story where, youknow, there's very few that
were, I think, born in that kindof estate.

(01:08:06):
Mm-hmm.
they came through something orpushed through something or did
something to, to, to become notmost people.
And I think that I thinkeverybody can be, if they will
embrace, you know, the simple orjust little saying, embrace the
suck of whatever it is, pushthrough it, and you will not be

(01:08:27):
most people.
I think one of my most to, toend what I'm saying with this,
my, one of my very popularfriendly reminders is you know,
Congratulations for trying,because most people don't, man,

that's, it's so simple but very powerful.
Very true.
So I love that answer.
And it's funny, you, I just nowthought of it, but we were
talking about you doing allthese hikes and being your best
at 62.
I just had a woman on a coupleepisodes back named Ann Laura
Moore, and she is the oldestperson to ever climbed Kil
Manjaro at 89.

(01:09:03):
Oh, really?
Yeah, so, oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
She, she was awesome.
And she didn't like you.
She wasn't like a serious hikerher whole life.
She kind of got into it later onand but a lot of the same
messages and, and same wisdom.
I noticed some overlap betweenboth of you guys.
So, nice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lots, lots of wisdom and, andlife experience, which I think

(01:09:23):
is very valuable for theaudience.
But I know.
we talked about social media andthat kind of thing, but you
know, where can people find you?
What do you have going on thatyou maybe want to share or
promote?

So I have one handle.
There's so many people that aretrying to sabotage people and
fake accounts and mm-hmm.
All this identity stuff, allthis stuff.
But anyways, I have one handle.
It's you, the letter U can c an, outdoors with an S.

(01:09:56):
So I can't explain any more thanthat, but it's u can outdoors.
That's on all my social mediaplatforms, which TikTok,
Facebook Instagram is, isprobably the most active.
And then YouTube.
So.
There's just a lot going on withwhat I have out.
The main thing is, is I do havea, a friendly reminder book
coming out.

(01:10:17):
I don't know if exactly gonna betitled that but that'll be
supposed to be coming outSeptember, 2023 just finished
kind of most of the writing ofthat few weeks ago.
So it's all, it's otherproductions.
And then I have some stuffhappening with YouTube that's
going to expand on this, thisthis whole message.

(01:10:38):
Mm-hmm.
to two things doing, going topeople that are making an impact
in the world of hiking and, anda little bit around the, the
mental health and all that, allthat as well as public lands in
a lot of ways.
And tying, again, tying all ofthis, this messaging in with you
know, with the friendlyreminders and everything, the

(01:10:59):
platforms about.

Very cool.
Yeah.
Guys, make sure you go followall of Scott's at U Cann
Outdoors on all the differentplatforms and get those friendly
reminders.
Become a self-care savage and goright before we sign off, do you
have any, any last kind offriendly reminder for the
audience?
You

know, so I've always gotta ask that a lot.
Mm-hmm.
and you know how when that kindof stuff happens and it, it, it
really stuck me a couple timeswhen I was on some lives, when I
first started doing some liveson some of the platforms.
People would ask me that and Iwould, I just get hung up.
I get stuck hard to pick one.
Yeah.
When I'm naturally talking, youknow, as you've experienced, you

(01:11:39):
know, I can pick up a few fromthe past and I'll, and I'll
relate them to this, but when Iget asked that so I have one
that's very, I veryparticularly, very important to
me that I always bring up.
So, yeah.
Yeah, I do.
So let me see if I can, can, canget that, get that focus around
that.
So friendly reminder right now,this moment is the only moment

(01:12:07):
that matters.
There you go.
Yeah,

I've seen that.
Simple, but something we alwaysforget, especially in this past
pace world.
So if my to add on to that, youknow, if you're not itching to
get outdoors after this episode,I, I don't know what to tell
you, but make sure you go spendmore time outdoors, hiking away
from the kind of the noise andmodern life.

(01:12:32):
But man, that's it.
Thank you so much, Scott, forcoming on today.
I really enjoyed thisconversation.
Sure.
And I know the audiencelistening will as well.

Thanks Bradley.
Thanks for letting me spread themessages a little more.
Of

course, of course.
Thanks.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Thank you everyone for tuningin.
I hope you got a lot out ofthis.
I know I did.
And again, as I mentionedbefore, if you wanna check out.
you know, everything.
Not most people, everythingScott's going on, all the links,
all that good stuff is gonna bein the show notes.
So in addition to that, justlike share and subscribe if you

(01:13:05):
got value outta this.
So that's it.
Thanks for tuning in.
We'll see you in the next one.
And always remember, don't bemost people.

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