NMBK ft Precious Gibson

Author Precious Gibson joins the Not My Brothaz Keeper Podcast to discuss her writing career, Black True Crime and all things Black culture in this new interview . Available only at Not My Brothaz Keeper Podcast.

Special Guest: Precious Gibson

Episode Transcript

(00:05):
OK, this started what's good word this is King Arthur and
this is not My Brother's Keeperspodcast, a true crime podcast
about black dudes who killed. Now ladies and gentlemen, I have
a beautiful lady with me today and I had spoke to a couple
people about bringing this younglady on and it took me 6 weeks
to get her on here because she is busy.

(00:27):
She is a busy woman, right? But I'm going to let her
introduce herself. I'm going to let her tell you
about herself. Now, what is your name, lady?
Beautiful young lady. Precious Gibson Writer Precious
Gibson. And congratulations, I'm fine.

(00:48):
Congratulations on that big interview and that promotion.
Can you tell people what you do?Thank you.
Thank you. I appreciate it.
First of all, I'm so sorry. It's six weeks.
I told myself I was going to wait you while I said I'm just
going to hit up every day just to make sure we keep that
contact again. Please.

(01:10):
And some people think like that's annoying, but please do
because I'll be happy to be things going on.
But yeah, I'm a writer, author and a Blogger.
I've been blogging for 7 1/2 ishyears of full time now.
Two years, so just time. Writer for several outlets.

(01:33):
Published 3 books so far. Getting the getting back into
the podcast world. So yeah, just just a long time
content creator much like yourself.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
Oh yeah. How did you get to do that
interview and tell these few people what interview I'm
talking about? So an outlet that I write for

(01:58):
Barlow Alert, they were just like, do you want to sit in on a
press junket? And a press junket is basically
like the movie is coming up or abig event, any type of big
event, concert, whatever. And a lot of times you don't get
to interview people. You just kind of sit in on it.

(02:18):
I sat in on quite a few. I sat in on for the movie Dutch
for another outlet I was workingfor.
I sat in on the Zendaya movie Challengers.
So I sat in on press junkets before.
But you know, you may run out oftime, they may not get to your
outlet, whatever. So this was the first one that I
got to ask questions, actually. Interview Kerry Washington and

(02:41):
Omar Saif for the. Congrats.
Yes, and I was so excited. So that was, you know, I've
interviewed people before. I don't want to say like my
first big interview, I don't want to have that wording 'cause
I feel like every interview was like super important, but.
Oh yeah, Oh yeah, all achievements.
My first celebrity interview. So I was really, really happy.

(03:03):
So, so happy. I can't believe like that
happened to be my first celebrity interview.
It was cool. I was, I was happy.
I'm so happy about it. Oh yeah.
Oh yeah. Now, when did you when did you
get into writing books? I started taking it seriously

(03:28):
about maybe four or five years ago, but at the time, you know,
I, those people, I thought you had to have a big publishing
company and all of these things.So I just didn't really know
where to start. And finally I was just like
forget it, I'm just going to self publish.

(03:48):
So that's what I did and I was still working my 9:00 to 5:00 at
that time. But we used to have so much free
time during the day. Like there will be days you have
8 hours sitting at your desk like answering the phones and
that's it. So I ain't gonna lie.
Like I would just write my, I would just use the time to write
my book. And I finally went ahead and

(04:11):
published it. But I've been a lifelong writer.
Like even as far back as elementary school, I would sit
in class and make little books and illustrate them and staple
them together. Like I just always loved books
as a child. Oh yeah, we need more middle
school. I remember I wrote a book, yes,

(04:31):
like I would, I would sit in class and hand write books and
like fill up 3-4 notebooks of books and pass them along to my
friends, my teachers. Like I just always love to
write. But taking it seriously 1 to
publish a book, probably about five years ago when I really
started getting into it and made-up my mind and that's what

(04:52):
I was going to do. Oh.
Man, that's a good thing. That's A and that's a real
talent too, because everybody can't write.
When I be sitting up here writing my stories, you would
probably look at me like *** what the fuck is this?
This is chicken scratch. My whole, my whole, my whole,
all my stories be they look likestories to me.
But if you look at them and looklike chicken scratch cause mommy
like this this this this that and the other this this is like

(05:14):
you would not be able to read it.
Oh, no such a thing. No such thing that that's what
make the book. You just gotta put the thoughts
on a paper. You can organize them, but you
just put the thoughts on the paper and get a mind and then
you go back in and organize it. So no, don't sleep on yourself.
You probably got some good over there.

(05:35):
Some of them, a lot of my listeners tell me I'm a good
storyteller, but you know, my mymy podcast is really *** moments
on wheels. If *** just stopped and listen,
they probably wouldn't end up inthe way they is.
They probably wouldn't end up what it is.
I. I peep, I peep a lot of the
content. I love true crime.
Oh man, that was my next question because I remember I
didn't get into that with you. I was just going to ask you

(05:56):
about it because I feel like sometime I don't want to prep
nobody so they can get their answers.
But I'm glad you said that. Maybe you'll be writing about me
one day. Black true crime.
Would love. To so I know you said you did.
I know when I listened to your part of the week, you were
expressing the thing about ChatGPT right now.

(06:20):
Before you said that I had no idea what the fuck ChatGPT did,
right? So I had downloaded and I asked
you some questions because I hadjust did an episode with these
ladies called super red Rum. And I said, man, what episode is
this? And I said, that's what we just
did. And I'm reading the details and
I'm like, damn, this is my storybecause I just put a this ***

(06:42):
did this in upload. They had like a whole paragraph
and like Nah, those ChatGPT you're like what bro?
I I didn't even realize that wasmy story.
Scary. Exactly.
But look, since I know how you are, you a real writer after we
get off, I want you to write a description for this episode so

(07:04):
I can put it on there. I'm just going to copy and paste
I. Got you.
Yeah, because I was reading thatlike, I ain't never tell no
story like that. It's like, whose story is this?
That GTT is I mean, AI in general is just progressing so
rapidly. I it's it's not enjoyable to me.

(07:29):
It's it's like too fast. It's it's getting too strong too
fast and it's harmful. Not, you know, not harming the
world, but it's it's harmful to the creative lane.
I don't know if you've seen somemonths back, even Tyler Perry
was like he was halting expanding some of his studio

(07:54):
because he discovered like he could make a script within
minutes. With AI, he can make outlines
and breakdowns like within minutes.
So it wasn't really a need to expand.
That is wild. Yeah, it's very hard for
creators and once. ChatGPT starts thinking like a

(08:14):
*** We've done for. We're done like you're done even
with graphic designers like cuz ChatGPT now makes graphics.
So you tell it what it, you tellit what you wanted to make and
it makes it's just, it's puttinga lot of people out of jobs.
And that's the part that I'm just I'm not a fan of.

(08:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I like, I like real writers
because I know like that. That's a passion because
everybody can't write. A couple people I ran into, they
write and tell stories. I always tell them.
I say, man, I cannot tell stories like y'all, I guess.
Like y'all. Damn, there should be an English
professor. But you know, teaching ain't
where ain't the way to go these days.
You might get punched in the face, but yeah.

(08:57):
And so I'm just like, I'll be always something like the ones
that I run into that are very good story because I always tell
them to say, hey, man, I can't tell no story.
Like y'all, I said mine. I'm just like people just like I
tell stories. But I I do not write my my shit
up the way y'all write it. Y'all have could be authors.
And you are the first author on the show that actually came

(09:20):
through what they were. I got your books.
So all you other authors that came on here, that is your loss.
Thank you. Thank you.
I'm just like, you know, like I told myself, I remember when I
first started doing the podcast I had was trying to figure it
out and, and took this one lady named K Simone.

(09:40):
She does black girl true crimes.She's from San Antonio, TX.
She had gave me a whole little map on how to do this, how to
research, how to do this, how todo that.
And from that point on, I've been jumping.
But I always told myself if somebody ever came to me and
asked me, then they needed help about how to do like some of
this podcast stuff, especially Black Tree Crime.
Because me, I do Black Tree Crime, Dateline and 48 hours in

(10:03):
2020 they can't tell me what true crime is.
Right. Because I'm like, bro, I don't
even, I don't listen to that shit right there.
Like bro, I'm strictly black true crime.
We got just as many stories and like, and like she said, I told,
she told me, she said we're not losing.
We're not losing. We're not losing, people are not

(10:25):
going to stop dying, so it's always going to be a story.
It's always going to be a story.And Black cases are often
underrepresented. As you know, black missing
persons cases are reported differently, they're handled
differently, they're underreported.

(10:46):
They don't get the the new, the same news response.
Like it's just so much so I personally prefer to consume
black crime because you'll be watching you'll be watching
crime shows on YouTube or whatever and you'll see like the
same white cases over and over and over, but black case, it'll

(11:09):
be black cases you never even heard of.
It never made the news. It never local.
You know, it's just so like, howhave I never heard about this?
Like how is this not a thing? So I see no issue with it.
And you're right. I was watching the new America's
Most Wanted the revamp, and I said so many times last night,

(11:32):
like this is so overproduced. It's it's like it's not even
realistic. It's you're not really getting a
story. They got like a bunch of and
like, it's like no shade, but it's just white true crime
influencers. And that's what man, look here.
I was over it. Oh yeah, like like right now

(11:52):
while we talking, I don't know if I'm get like a like a person
on here because like I enjoy this type of conversation
because when I started doing my when I first had my first guest
come on, we didn't we talked to crime, but I never did an
episode. And like you're giving me like
that same feel because you're you're one of those people that
write. You want those people that read.
You want those people that know a lot of things because like,
like you said, it's overproduced.

(12:14):
It's massively like, like I was telling somebody the other day I
said I was telling somebody the other day, I said that I didn't
do the Young Thug case right because it was so big and I
already knew. You got people like Hulu and
Netflix, even Tubi. They're going to snatch this by.
It's going to be a white producer, a white writer, and

(12:36):
they're going to mass produce this and water it down as simple
as as as it can be so they can understand it through some white
eyes. Oh, for sure.
Nick we know to get back is real.
Don't tell me he shot this guy in a couple days later.
He thought about it and when he shot the most people.
No, he shot the wrong house. He said fuck that, turn this
bitch back around and we're going to hit the other house.

(12:57):
It ain't no couple days. We doing this shit right now.
He got to go. And it's frustrating because
yeah, they, they do research as far as like news clips and
things of that nature, but they don't do like, like you said,
like the real research, the street research, like of what?
What really gone. Yeah, you got the court
documents and yadda, yadda, yadda.

(13:17):
But it's just more to it like when you digging, talking to
people who was really there or really in Atlanta at the time,
like they're not going there with it.
They're not looking for that. So some of it is just I, I hate
the new America's Most Wanted format.

(13:37):
I, I turned it off like and theywere talking about a black case.
Daniel Robinson. I believe that's the guy name
who went missing. He was like a geologist went
missing in the desert. I have.
Yeah, I heard bro when I heard that story the first time
because they still haven't foundthat guy.
They still haven't found him. My thing is the the port I

(13:58):
didn't the port I didn't hold up.
Now let's keep listening. Hey, we're not going to get no
episode today. This right here.
We can do an interview. I I got y'all the next one just
right now we got some real talk going on.
OK, now that guy, the part that confused me the most, he's a
geologist. He knows how this desert works.
He knows it's hot. He knows what kind of water he
needs. He knows to have his compass.

(14:19):
He knows to have his map. He knows all these things.
But you're telling me he hops out his Jeep with Jeep lovers?
Jeep lovers love, because I don't know if you heard, but my
wife just a second ago when she yelled that's because she wanted
me to get the roof of her Jeep and put it in her car because
she's going to go to a brunch. I had to help her put on the two
piece. Hey, can you pull this out?

(14:40):
Can you do this, this that the other I'm like, damn, I'm not
even going. Why your home girls can't help
you. Y'all the ones going to be
drinking man, They got a what's that thing when you what's that
thing at the bar? Because poolside?
What's that? Is it a canopy?
Or yeah. So they bought a canopy and they
got it for five hours. Right now.
She doesn't pull the top off theJeep.

(15:01):
She doesn't buy the Jeep. I literally had to rebuild the
whole Jeep for her. I put on all this plastic shit
that came from Amazon, which I thought these Jeep *** had.
I thought all this shit was custom.
I did not know this shit was plastic shit going on top of the
metal. All the shit was plastic.
All the shit. I said dog.
I said hold up. I'm looking at all these people,

(15:21):
the Jeep. Life getting deep.
I'm sick. My wife had this deep three
weeks now I'm looking at the Jeeps thinking people like was
putting all this money into it. I was like damn, they got
customized hinges. They got this, all this shit
called Amazon bro. Definitely back in the day,

(15:42):
yeah, you got to go to the Jeep.I'm saying now, get right on
Amazon. The whole inside, everything
inside is completely purple. People been walking up to her,
not to her, but like she's coming back to the car.
You know, they're putting ducks in the in the door handle,
basically saying I like the Jeep.
But yeah, this Jeep life is coolfor her.

(16:02):
Me, I ain't with the shit. I'm like, OK, man, stay away
from my damn car. I don't put shit in my door
handle. How I know this ain't got
fitting all or some shit on it because you know, that's how
they get people. They stick something in your
door handle, you touch it, all of a sudden you fall out.
The kidnapper catches you beforeyou hit the ground.
Deep listen deep lovers. I don't even play with them by

(16:26):
the car, man, they love. They love and.
And, and she got some tool the other day and it's like, hey,
this helps you take the doors off, helps me take the doors.
What are you talking about? I.
Love the I thought I wanted one some years ago.
Bro this shit so expensive bro they're.

(16:47):
So expensive. I'm like, oh dude, Gee, it's way
more expensive than my Lexus SUV, no.
Let me just start off like it. No, if you want that, fuck with
it. Is that that rule?
It's like the Wrangler Rubicon. That dude was was at the Jeep
spot. He like, hey, yeah, on this one

(17:07):
you can ride up a mountain and you go rocks and like, *** we
live in Houston. *** we worried about flooding.
We. Worried about flooding and and
Sunday fun day and, and everybody know you don't leave
Houston on a Sunday, so we ain'tworried about no mountain.
I did not know they were at its.I was like, let me see, it

(17:30):
started at 70. But.
Luckily she wanted the, the truck right and that was going
for like 50, right, because she got this.
We only had about 10,000 miles. I was like, that's pretty good
because she was they, they told her this one was owned by it was
a, a company car. Like damn company's getting
Jeeps for company vehicles. That's crazy.

(17:52):
Man, what happened to the what happened to the little Camry
yard? You know some shit like that.
Why did they need a Jeep? I need to know the name of this
company. Times have changed the world.
Is a Jeep bro. Now imagine you jump in the
Jeep. Imagine that that's his take
home car and your boss has to gowith you today and you don't get

(18:12):
in there, you don't accessorize the whole thing.
He's going to be he's going to be looking at you crazy.
Hey *** do you drive this to work at all?
Are you driving it today? Because I'm with you.
It's like things are just different.
I'm telling you, I said, man, when are the black people?
In the world, Jeeps. Bro black people love their damn

(18:33):
jeeps man. Like it's a thing.
They have meet up. I don't know if they do it in
Houston, but like where I'm at, they have like Jeep meetups,
like different times like it gets.
Dropless, they call it titties out.
It's on May 17th and Galveston that's an hour away and my wife
ever come out. Oh, that's when they do it.
Yeah, she's talking about now she can go if she wants to,

(18:55):
right? Because it this, This is why the
day, that day won't work for herat all, because my wife does a
Mother's Day brunch, but she does it always after Mother's
Day. She has, it's called the
Mother's love. And it's not even like a big
event where she's like friends and she, this is like her
friends, her coworkers, my mom, her mom, family shit, maybe
about 30 women, right? They're going to go, she's going
to do a little presentation, they're going to eat, drink or

(19:17):
whatever right? And I'm like cool, because it's
the same day of Jeep week, whichI don't want to go to that Jeep
shit anyway because she went last time bro before she got a
Jeep and I'm watching the news. All they doing is arresting ***
and taking cars. I said dawg, if I tell you not
to go and then you get your car re.
If I tell you not to go and thenyou get the car towed, don't

(19:38):
call me. I'm not getting the car.
That ain't gonna work. No, it's not going to work.
But then I'm like, well, shit, that's cool because I'm already
busy on the 17th. I have my own meet and greet in
Houston. Oh, shout out to everybody
that's coming to the meet and greets in Houston, TX at the
room. ACH, yeah, I'm doing a small
meet and greet. You know, let me.
I like to on my shows. I like to smoke hookah and

(19:59):
drink, and so I got my personalized drink that I drink
all the time. Right now I'm just drinking
Hennessy and orange. But if you want to drink or not,
my brothers keep. You can try this one day.
You go get the small shots. It's just pink Whitney
Amsterdam, your favorite syrup and lemonade.
Oh yeah, and you measure it withyour heart.
That is very summary. That is very appropriate for the

(20:22):
Florida beach days. That is so summer.
That is the most summary dream that is so appropriate for
Florida. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah.
And yeah, yeah, the Jeep life isyeah, yeah, man, like, so.

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So she's stretched thin because she's has my mom, her mom and
these people at her event. Then I got my own event going on
at the same time. And then she's telling me she
wants the back door heat hit theJeep thing.
Like look, I ain't got time to be sitting three hour traffic
but *** for to go down there andsee *** getting beat up.
Because this one tripped me out about that Jeep shit last year
when I finally sucked out because I didn't I didn't like

(21:04):
keep up with none of the Jeep shit until my wife wanted the
Jeep and I stalled her out for like 3 months.
No, not 3-6. Then she finally got it and now
she looks at me crazy because this is exactly why they want to
get the Jeep. Because I knew it was going to
be me doing all the work. I knew this.
No. Mention my wife has all long

(21:26):
nails. How much do you think she helped
me The other day when I was putting in her car, she kept
talking about oh, aunt, can you do this?
My name is Aunt. She went, oh, aunt, can you do
this? My nails stop getting the nails
that long. Zero help, man.
I'm like come on, man. Is she like a my plate?

(21:46):
My plates came in OK. Can you put them on?
What? What are you doing?
Just ordering shit. Yes.
Oh. My God.
Serious but I like what y'all have these like different meet
and greets because I feel like if you do a true crime content
like you need to go outside sometimes.

(22:08):
Bro and look in this. Way you can't black.
True crime is going to be biggerand what people think it is.
The thing about it is a lot of people don't know about black
tree crime. The reason why I know black
people don't know the black whatblack tree crime is because the
other week when I was setting upthis business account, the lady
was like what kind of business is this?
And I say it's a podcast but it's a black tree crime podcast.

(22:30):
She said what the hell is black tree crime?
And after I sat there and talkedto her and her Co worker for an
hour, they immediately started following me like hey, we're
going to come to the meet and greet.
They said they had never heard of black true crime.
I'm like, it's it's true crime, but it's black.
It's true crime, but it's black and even in my book, like,

(22:54):
that's why I, I mean, I, I love true crime, so I'm always add
like a element of crime in everybook.
I, I thought it's like when, when you say black true crime, I
think of urban fiction novels. I think of the ones I grew up
reading. It was always an element of

(23:14):
crime in there. So black true crime, it's a
genre. I'm sorry.
I hate when people be like. Yes bro I'm glad you said that
because I've reached out to Apple and Spotify said take us
out of the true crime selection if you're going to disrespect
us. You can't tell me you at a 200
podcast, you got 2 black ones uphere and then you got all these

(23:37):
white ones and some ain't dropped a a new episode in years
talking about they're a fan favorite motherfucker.
How? No, what they is you got people
working under the desk to keep their podcast up here when they
ain't dropping all episodes. Right.
White people love working under the desk, bro.
They do I I just hate when people like why everything got

(23:58):
to be black and white. Unfortunate.
What the? Fuck, you mean why I got to be
black and white? Yeah, Black cases are not as
publicized as they shouldn't be.That's the whole purpose.
That's the whole reason why you have black podcasters and
content creators making their whole platform about black prime
cases because they don't get they don't get the recognition,

(24:20):
they don't get the the the mediaattention that they need.
That's why. Yeah, I love that.
I love that we live in a time where it's not like the late
90s, early 2000s, that if a black girl or a black man up the
sidewalk go missing in Alabama, he just missing.
We don't hear about it. The news ain't covering it and

(24:42):
there are no podcasts to pick upwhere everybody else dropped the
ball. Now we living in a time where
creators like you are like, hellno.
Like we bringing attention to tothis like this.
This deserves just as much attention as a give me a white
person. I can't even think of Casey
Andrew like. She killed her daughter and

(25:04):
claimed she that bitch would be in jail.
Brother. Of course she's in Texas.
The only the two worst places that you could be at to do
anything white is either Texas or your state Florida.
They are kissing cousins. If you want to do some real
white shit and get away, come toTexas or go to Florida.
You go, get away game. Is that cool?

(25:24):
It's frustrating because you canhave a Casey Anthony who's
everywhere. We know her story front to back.
I don't need to know anything else about this lady.
Kill her baby got away with it, but a black woman put her kids
in a different school zone and and go to jail for that.
Like it How? Is that why the fuck is this
news? Why is this fucking news?

(25:45):
Like why are y'all like this is my thing?
If that would have been a black athlete she would have put
enough school. There wouldn't have been a word
about it. None 0 like what are we talking
about here? A black woman had a miscarriage
at her house and now she's fighting for her freedom Like I

(26:08):
can't. I could just rant for hours
about this. It frustrates me.
So yes, black true crime. I'm sorry, it's necessary.
It's just it's overly, it's. Got to be like my, my home girl.
Her name is Jaden Harlow. She does a podcast called The
Missing Found Right. We did one episode last February

(26:30):
and June, she hit the 4th. They'll talk about she how
different her podcast was. She didn't even know she was in
the 4th. And within two months, I was the
first person to reach out to her, do an interview.
She's like nobody has ever reached out to me.
And from there she went from my podcast to the Forbes to the
disappearance. And I don't know what I don't

(26:51):
know if that's HBO Max, I don't know if it's Showtime or
whatever, but she went to being a host on there and instead of
instead of being a hater becauseI started before her man, bro, I
was now, I didn't do it, but I definitely made like, hey, *** I
put people on that's gang right now, man.

(27:12):
I was happy for her bro. I couldn't believe I said the
Ford bro dog. The Forbes.
It was only three black. It was only three.
No, it was 2 black podcast No2. No, it was 3 No two.
I can't remember, but she was there and that's the one I
worked with. And dude, I was happy as shit.
Hey, you can't tell me shit. I got 2 podcasts that I record

(27:34):
with and they told me clear today.
You were the first person that ever reached out to us about
doing the show. Both of them was in the Forbes.
Crazy. Podcast you should be in during
the summer. I'm like man that's crazy and
not one time and I say why my name ain't up there.
Fuck that shit. Black woman getting it.

(27:55):
Fuck y'all. Man, all that will come it like
it'll come the more the more youdo right by like your guests and
just putting out good content. You put out good quality content
and you consistent your time is going to like you're going to be
up there. It's just because I.

(28:15):
Have not had a down week. Every week is more listeners is
more listeners and more followers every single week.
I have not had a down week And then when I had shared my my who
my listeners are people was like, damn, your listeners are
90% women. No, not just 90% women.
They're black women because they're in my DM.

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They're sending me, they're sending me shows, they're asking
me questions, they're sending mereels.
These people hit me up every other day or if not every day,
this game now and they've been following the show from front to
back. I'm almost a 200 episodes.
They've heard every single one. I mean, they can't tell me shit
when they asked me to do something or something.

(28:57):
I try to help them out because they don't send me beard oil.
One sent me two bottles of do say this one.
Her name is 6 toy lady. She's a novelty shop.
Of course she sent me some some oils and stuff that my wife
didn't want to use. But I'm like, see, you're not
even being a team player. But yeah, they send me stuff and
everything. So I've met black women, they

(29:20):
look out for you. Like it's just coming to one
thing that I would take from you.
Like when I listen to your show and just see your content.
I wish I would have been as consistent as you are when like
I, I started my podcast, super consistent, life happened, fell
off. You have been consistent just

(29:43):
across Billboard and like you say, you ain't had a down week.
It just keeps going up and up and up.
And look, and I'm going to give you a story behind why, why I'm
so consistent because like I hope hopefully I don't get teary
eyed, but like, you know, I havetwins, right?
And they both went to like the military.
And I always told them I said hey, them days when like y'all
can't have y'all phone because you're like different countries

(30:05):
and shit. And it's like I like security
issues. I said you will always be able
to hear Daddy's voice because until y'all come home, there
will be an episode every week and I want you to know that this
is recorded not just for the listeners, but for y'all to feel
like home when you hear Daddy talking.

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See, and that's special. And it's it's like the little
reasoning behind it that a lot of people don't even realize,
don't even know, that keeps you going and keeps you consistent.
Oh yeah, because my son is. And it's paying off for the one
on me it's paying off for. The one on my here right now one
was see, this is that why I don't want to talk about that.

(30:53):
Hold up. I don't know where I call them
running. I don't know where running water
is right now. Really, I don't know where
neither one of them is, but it'sjust like that in the army.
So I don't know where they're at.
I just know where they were at last.
So, but no, I I like, I tell them Amen until y'all home,
home. There's an episode coming every
week. And I and I quit my show every

(31:15):
single week. I quit my show every week.
I quit my show every week, bro. I mean, I knew that was going to
happen once I mentioned my sons,but yeah.
Yeah, keep them going. Oh yeah, it keeps it keeps me
going. It keeps me putting it out.
And like they, they plan on riding it out, but you know,

(31:38):
they got I, I, I told him like this.
I'm like, hey, bro, y'all are, they're 20.
And I'm like, bro, y'all at the age because they want to jump
out of planes. Apparently.
I'm like, y'all at the age whereif some shit do go left, you do
hit that ground crazy. You're only 20.
You might be able to walk that shit.
You might be able to. You might be able to walk, you

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know now. Now that I say that precious
yesterday their youngest brotherare because me and my wife, we
have 3 kids, right? We got the 20 and then she
wanted another baby, which is crazy because she ain't watched
him either. He had field day.
We he had field day yesterday, right?
And they had a 50 yard dash right bro, I don't know if you

(32:22):
saw the picture right on that bro.
I have a boot on my foot dog. I think I'm grand.
Oh God. I think I ran maybe a little bit
after halfway, bro, I heard a loud popping sound.
I was like, oh shit, I thought somebody had stepped on the back

(32:43):
of my foot because, you know, I'm smoking.
These third graders. They can't fuck with me.
I'm I'm him, right? Oh my God.
By the time I got to the finish line, it was like it wasn't even
a run no more. It was like a walk, skip, hop.
Listen, that's no. Funny, do you watch the Joe

(33:05):
Budden podcast 'cause this reminded me of something.
This is like putting me in the mind of something that happened
to Joe Budden podcast. My partner said yeah man, the
engine light came off, this said.
All. My friends, they text me old ass
*** and say you know better whatthey say, what you got to prove,

(33:29):
they say what are you trying to prove to some third graders?
I don't know what happened, but like, I swear to God, I was
walking up the stairs one day and like knee was swollen for
two weeks. Nothing.
I've been I've been living up these stairs for five years and
I don't know what went actually,I walked up the stairs.

(33:54):
I felt a a pain in my knee and it was swollen for a week.
And I do want they I can't. I didn't hit it.
I didn't fall, nothing. It was just a pain and swelling
and I couldn't walk like. Oh yeah, like I'm done.
I'm already. I know that the pains of getting
older is crazy dog. I fell down my stairs one day

(34:16):
and when I tell you I was in pain for two months, I was like,
you should probably just go to the doctor.
I'm like, no, I'm I'm good, man.I was so sore for two months.
I didn't do shit. It's too much like I.
I hate getting old, but I don't like it.
I'm done with it. I'm tired of feeling like this.
But it will get you. I don't even know how we got to.

(34:41):
I don't know how we got to beingold.
But listen, I feel you. I'm glad.
Hey, the lone wing agent. Like white people dog.
I you remember, you have. Well, I know you're younger than
me. Have you ever heard of that
show? Cheers.

(35:02):
Cheaters, yeah. No, not cheaters.
Cheers. CHEERS.
It's an old show. It was a full.
Oh, cheers. Cheers.
Yes, like cheers. Yeah, it was.
Like about a bar or something? Mentioned going down my
timeline, it was like a Instagram come out the 80s and

(35:23):
90s right? And they had posted that picture
of Cheers, the picture that's onthe show when it comes on, and
it was like, only one of these people are 40 and everybody else
is younger. I'm like, *** how?
These are the oldest looking white folks I've ever seen in my
life at 38 and 39. Black people don't age like
that. They be like, man, unless you
own crack, you want age pretty good when you're black.

(35:45):
And I smoke hookah all the time,but I drink all the time, and I
ain't aging like that. People like, hey, your sons are
20. Yeah, they're 20.
I'm an old man, aren't you? Yeah, man, I'm just glad we
don't age like that, man. Playing Cracking for a couple

(36:07):
years. Ain't nobody trying to look like
Mama Deeber around. 60. Or Jim Jones, Mama.
No, we good. And this is a question I wanted
to ask you. I saw what do you think about?
What do you think about your boythat's two times beefing with

(36:30):
that 8 year old or 9 year old? Then this is Anthony his asshole
like I'm sorry you the adult like you had a fully grown adult
with kids. Like first of all, I was not
even a fan of the mentorship because I felt like there was no
mentoring going. On bro like but everybody I was

(36:52):
like where the fuck is CPS at when this shit is going on?
And everybody was trying to Oh no, he's his mentor and he
pulled him out of a bad situation.
No. He pulled him out of a bad to a
worse with. He pulled him into a bad
situation to one worse with money that gives you access to
your vices. Thank you.
Like you're putting a child in ain a lot of adult situations

(37:17):
with a lot of money and a lot ofoverexposure to things.
I don't give a damn if this child was already in the
streets. I don't care about his
upbringing. You put him to I mean, OK, he go
from poor to rich, but it's still harmful.
Like over here is just as harmful over there in Section 8

(37:40):
where he was living in or whatever.
Like it's still harmful and everybody was like, no, often
this two times did this and did that, No.
They did shit. Why is he drinking?
Why is this little boy smoking? I don't care if that's what he
did. Hey, you know what's coming
next? You remember what Usher and Bow
Wow said when they was young? They were overexposed.

(38:02):
They were like, shit, I was fucking.
Exactly. So you can't like make me and
he's way more by one. Usher was way more commercial.
And if they still got some of these, you can imagine when
you're not as commercial and youin the hood and you got a little
bit of money and then he's already cursing and telling his

(38:22):
Mama no and this that and the other.
I wouldn't be surprised. He told one of them scribble.
Hey, man, suck my Dick. I would not be surprised if it
happened. I would not be surprised if
Finesse 2 times instructed one of them to do that of.
Course, of, course of. Course I didn't like it.

(38:43):
I like it. I didn't like it.
I don't care. I think it and I think it's
stupid. OK, you put this child back with
his family or whatever, cool. And but you still beefing going
live addressing a child like if that child want to make videos
about me saying F me, let him like let him do that.

(39:05):
I'll like you going back and forth online with age.
I can't. I can't.
It's but look, it's goofy. This what tripped me out
HomeAway Vanessa. Vanessa 2 times say hey man, see
he the reason why I violated. No, you violated because homeboy
said you're over there beating sugar.
Did you not beat sugar? Which one is it?

(39:28):
Because he. Said you was beating Sugar's
ass, violated for being one of your baby Mamas, and you also
violated because the little boy's guardian said that you
threatened her come. On like, come on.
Now, like you blaming your violation on a child.

(39:50):
No, your actions are why you violent like it's I can't, I
can't and then people justifyingit saying oh he shouldn't even
had king around because the little boy was going to.
This is a child like. What do you mean?
And it was going to tell, yes, he's going to tell.
What do you have to give a hardened criminal?

(40:11):
It is the adultsification of little black boys and that's a
whole nother podcast, but that that's a whole nother Rd. that
we don't even have to venture down today.
But that's all this is. You don't see this 11 year old
as an 11 year old. You see him as Amen.
And that is a problem for me like saying. *** and bitches and

(40:35):
I'm doing this with holes and he's at a strip club slapping
strippers on the ass is crazy at11.
I'm oh, I hate all the adults who Co signed it, all the adults
who was well, he going to see itanyway and he with us and.
He not going to see it at 11, not in my house.
At 11, not in my house. I wish I would take one of my
nieces to a club. I won't even go.

(40:58):
Damn. How you got it, Poppin, You
ain't going. Listen, I won't even go to the
club with my 20 year old niece. I'm not taking her to the club
with me. Go with your friends.
Let alone I'm not taking my 11 year old niece to a party with
me. Like children don't need to be
in adult situations. I don't care.
Exactly. So.

(41:18):
Yeah, I mean, you're right. You're exactly right.
I'm annoyed with that, man. I'm annoyed with.
That. Situation and how he because I'm
how did he even meet the little boy?
I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that finesse is
the is the opportunities. He probably saw some and all he

(41:39):
saw was YouTube views. You know, it was crazy.
This probation was probably telling him that he had to get a
kid to mentor and then he'd picka *** like this, which is crazy.
You're right, right. He probably had to do some time
community service mentorship. You're right.
You're absolutely right. I don't even think of that.

(41:59):
That's a good point. And.
He read them right now. He's that little boy going to
jail eventually and I don't evenwish that on him because you
know, we already don't stand a chance, but that *** is going to
jail. And it's disgusting that nobody
is trying to correct it. It's because.

(42:22):
They broke. It's because the Mama broke.
I I'm just like, I don't even know who has guardianship over
the child now because I saw him in the studio with little Woody
from the Wyatt Sale trial. And why would you be in?
Why would you be in the studio with Woody?
Look, I would not stand by Woodyfor nothing, because you know
how the Rams talk. If you stand the next time, you

(42:42):
might get hit too. Yeah, exactly.
That's a child. And he he's not thinking like me
and you thinking as fully grown people like I ain't even trying
to be next to it. He's a child.
He's a child and he's been taught that going viral and
doing all this is cool. Yes, yes, and I sit up and it's

(43:06):
and YouTube and YouTube has beengiven a lot of these kids like
miscommunications misconceptions, because I can't
think of these guys my my youngest son list too.
But they like got they got like they from Houston, they got like
a big ass house, but they got like a lot of teenagers live
with them, but they're of age, of course, but they kept on
throwing. They kept on throwing.
OK, I hear that. He said they're over 21.

(43:28):
Look, they in that house right in every other episode, they
create a skittle where one of the women that lived there with
their boyfriend is trying to sleep with another roommate.
And I told my son I said don't believe this shit.
I saw that you. Killed bro.
I they, they stuck me into it one day and I found myself

(43:50):
watching every episode. I don't know what they're
called, but I remember I found myself in a rabbit hole watching
every damn episode of these churn in his house.
I'm not Whose house is it? It's theirs because the one
YouTube has made a bunch of money off all of them.
The crazy part and what they don't realize is he's doing a
pundit scheme because how is it y'all dropping all this on his

(44:13):
channel? What is he paying y'all?
And the first thing these Youtubers go do is get some fake
jury. Oh God, the fake jury.
Don't eat. That's another podcast.
That's another. This is how I know we talk about
the same. This is how I know we talk about
the same person because I said that when I was coaching jury.

(44:35):
This jury is crazy. Like I said that audibly.
That's how I know we talking about the same damn show.
Oh yeah. Oh.
Yeah, Oh yeah. Looking at this jury like this
is some suspicious man. What's?
Up with this jury is is talking to me and not in a good way,
man. It's like take it off your net
game. I'm so I, I'm so glad I'm not

(44:57):
alone in this because that's like the first thing I noticed.
Oh. Yeah.
Oh yeah. But he doesn't have to pay the
people in the house with him because they just want to be,
just want to be known. And see, that's the crazy part,
right? That's the crazy part.
Because this is a thing, say youdo want to venture off and start
your own. He might not even say he's happy

(45:18):
with it, but he's going to make damn sure you don't pop off.
Well, he can't be seeing. He can't be seeing nobody out of
eye. I I watch it.
Well, I don't watch it, but my my son always got it on because
of course my son skateboards to the house.
I got the living room completelyclear.
He skates boards through the house.
He's rides his skates through the house.
I mean, it's clear right here and they'll have this on and

(45:39):
like homeboy just wants to be the big dog the whole time.
He's not trying to have none of y'all.
My roommates looking at me eye to eye.
He everywhere they go. He paying for this, he paying
for that, he paying for that. He the fucking man.
He got the biggest jury owned out the whole house.
He got all the cars at the house.
He'd be telling people, don't smoke in my house, don't do this
in my house. Don't *** He's telling you right

(46:02):
now. He the boss.
Yeah. It's and the minute you make
some money you out of. It they just want to be a part
of something. They just want to be a part of
something. Your talent, your.
Talent these days is down the drain.

(46:23):
What's talent? What's talent when you got
ChatGPT? What's talent when you got all
those editing tools from that you find on Apple iPad?
Like, no, you don't have to knowshit.
You don't have to know a damn thing.
You just have to know how to usethat program.

(46:44):
I was listening to a producer recently, I can't remember if
it's Timbaland or who, but he was saying like you don't like.
That's why producers are not as respected anymore because.
And they can't charge top. Dollar in the studio, it can't
charge top dollar anymore because you got meat over here

(47:05):
in Florida. Come on, you got a beat on
SoundCloud. Yes, yes, yes, and like like I
know, I know I'm older than you,but like like rapping is is not
even a real art. No more find you find you a
gimmick and just go like what, what what has what has got me

(47:28):
recently was that song I'm a fairy.
Whatever, whatever. I'm a fairy.
With a fat ass and. I finally looked at the video
and I said is this a kid becauseI saw the video but on the
dancing trend it's all ladies with fat asses and a couple kids

(47:49):
a big house or whatever and theydoing the dance but you know
they just enticing the rapper orthe YouTube that plays rich like
like these are kids. So of course y'all took it a
whole nother way because I looked at her.
She's still built like a little boy.
Not saying she's a boy, but you know, she's still developing
the. Child.
Yeah, you could tell. Like young just.

(48:11):
But grown people run with it. Grown people run with it.
I saw more ass shaking than a tip drill video going down that
down that video timeline. I just now like I've been seeing
the clips, but I just now like this foolish I didn't.
Shut. Up and I'm just not a fan.
But I'm old, so right? You had to go with me.

(48:34):
I like 20 year old. I already tapped you off at 27.
I am I just turned 33. Oh, gang, I you you should be
proud then. You should be proud then.
Yeah. Black don't crack, man.
Listen, I. I've just come to the conclusion
that you know what? It ain't for me.

(48:54):
Let the young kids have their thing.
If this stupid ass music is their thing, you don't have
their thing. Oh yeah.
Oh yeah. Because I I tweeted it
yesterday. 2 Chainz came out with this song with Isley
Brothers. I'm like, why is nobody talking
about this song? Like what the Like why is nobody
talking about? What's this song about as?
Record. And you saw his son talking

(49:16):
about he can't wait to go to thestrip club.
That's what they say. I'm like damn *** what is your
wife telling your son that's. What they see, the rappers do.
Is and and and look, and, and atthis point, he's at the age
where he's realizing how his mom, his dad could have
potentially met his mom even like Young Dolph kids after

(49:38):
because the little boy, he's almost a teenager.
So eventually he's going to likestart grasping how rappers pick
their women and you're going to kind of be like, hey, man, my
mom might just been a bad bitch.I don't know.
I don't know you. Know what I like about two
Chainz wife and Dolph Dolph? They're normal.

(49:58):
They're regular. Normal women.
Upstanding Women. Oh yeah, degreed women.
Agreed. When even if they don't even, I
don't know their educational background, but I don't know,
they both stand up women, They do their little chair, they run.
1 was an accountant, one was a teacher.
I think Dolph was an accountant.That's why he has 100 houses in
his kids names and then you havetwo chain wife who's in

(50:21):
education. She spoke on it one time and and
and it makes you think why are these ones that without big
asses getting wiped up and kept then you got these, you got the
video chicks they got here, theygot.
They got this, they they got nice bodies.
Now, Oh no, no they don't. Need with it.

(50:43):
Oh no. Like they they got Fedexes.
I seen Keisha in person. I was like, OK Keisha, but they.
They all I want for my birthday is a big booty.
And he got it no shame like 2 Chainz you got it like your wife
and she she fine, but you they just they're not Instagram
girls. They don't leave with that and

(51:05):
they don't have. To and they stay off of it.
That's why I couldn't understandwhy Kevin Gates old gay ass had
anything to say about Savannah. That's just another dark girl
that just makes me mad. Now that *** is weird bro.
It's like he gets weird about a minute and then you got what's
that girl name? She walking around dressed up

(51:26):
like a goddamn Muslim. I ain't never.
I bet this bitch don't pray for us.
Huh, sister, sister, you're not a Muslim who was barely a
critical. Like I'm like bro where Where do
y'all get this shit for? That's a bad part about social
media. It lets you say whatever you
want to say because the people that have an issue with you,

(51:49):
they'll never reach you to punchyou in the mouth.
You know what, I like the the video girl, Alexis sky, she got
a baby or whatever and she did an interview not so long ago.
And I I like this she because she went through the whole quote
UN quote spiritual awakening. She was Muslim, she was wearing

(52:10):
a coat and she did an interview and she was like, I was doing
that for a man, like that's whathe was on.
So I was trying to get on that and it wasn't me because people
were like, you know, you back shaking ass better than that.
And she was like, girl, I was doing that because my my man
wanted it. And I wanted a man.
And I thought that's what I had and.
You know what's crazy? And if she said that, they will

(52:32):
never question her about that again.
They will only question her about if she would have lied
about it. I got to respect it.
I have to respect it. Come on, please stop making
noise. Yeah, you got to I.
Think that's what Brittany the Brittany Rainer girl is doing
with Kevin Gates. To be honest, in my own humble
opinion, Kevin Gates, don't dragme if you don't look off this

(52:53):
podcast. But that's just what I think.
Now he'll tell you my podcast too dumb for him to listen
because you know, he he he stillgot a wife out there and what
Baton Rouge and she thinks stillthink they together while she
out farming and him telling thathe love his wife.
He's showing up with two and three other women.
Yeah, I love my wife That that'smy rock.
She hold me down. No, *** she lets you act like a

(53:15):
clown. Yes.
It's messy, he is, it's messy but you know y'all like the fake
shit go. For it what they like, they
like. They like fake storage, fake
jury and fake asses. Oh, for go for it at this point,

(53:35):
like I just I see stuff like that.
I'm like, you know what, not my demographic scroll like at this
point, like, you know, OK, I'm just going to keep on rolling
because it's it's too much. Oh yeah.
Oh yeah. And appreciate him coming at

(53:56):
LeBron James's wife. Like, are you OK?
Do you know? These people I know Susanna
like, I don't even answer the broke people.
So what is he talking about? I was mad LeBron even responded.
Or you know, like threw a littleshade like I'm mad he even gave
it any attention at a hole, likeSir, who are you?

(54:18):
Then he went to the game and satcourtside and tried to pull A
and like me mugging LeBron, I'm like, I just can't be life.
I feel like the same way I told people was when he went when
when Stephen A got into issue with LeBron, approached him.
I said because Stephen A went onthe interview and said that if
LeBron would have touched me by 300, my 300 LB bodyguard over

(54:42):
here, my 300 LB bodyguard over here, the FBI personnel, I mean,
we weren't worried about anotherthing. *** if you would have hit
LeBron at this at the Bitcoin Stadium or whatever, Coinbase
Stadium, whichever name of them stands would have cleared and
killed everybody you was with. It would have been Malice in the

(55:04):
Palace Part 2. I would have liked to see.
I would have loved. It you would have had so many
fans like I did it because LeBron ain't going to jail.
They're like, no, I did it. It was me.
Listen, that is what the NBA is missing.
Malice in the Palace? Bro, and that's the one thing

(55:26):
like LeBron, he's a goat. But the only thing I do not like
about LeBron is dog. You went 20 years without a
fight bro. These *** be following the shit
out of you. Whoop somebody's ass some that
you steal a *** Whoop somebody'sass steal.
A *** Michael Jordan is the GOAT.
Michael Jordan got into plenty of fights.
No this is not. No watered down leak but I

(55:46):
understand everybody trying to protect the investments like I.
Kidding. But I mean, come on now, like
the *** that's paying you didn'thave fights, fights, mistresses,
throw *** out, all kind of shit.So why do we got to be so such a
role model? Why do we got to walk the
straight line completely? Why take?
The brand, you got to protect the brand.

(56:06):
So I'm I'm not even mad at LeBron, but I'm not look, I'm
not mad at him for like his response, but Stephen A just
touch him and see what happened.Like you initiate, you do it.
That would have been the last thing he would have saw was
LeBron, and next thing we didn'tknow would've been closing the
casket. Like you know what?
Don't even touch LeBron because LeBron is too brand conscious.

(56:29):
Hit. Anthony Edwards hit.
Hit John Moran, you know John Moran.
John Moran whooped that 18 year old and then beat the case.
And then be the case fucking whydon't nobody ever beef with the
*** I want to see them be. No, exactly that *** that
fucking that mother. Would you rob Job Moran?

(56:50):
Ain't nobody approached him about shit.
Like. He probably fucking ain't
bitching and everything. They ain't nobody approaching
him. LeBron.
LeBron is not going to engage. Go after one of these young ***
who don't care about fines, who don't care about suspensions,
OK? Like that's who I want to be.

(57:11):
Not LeBron. Like LeBron is not with none of
that foolishness back. In the day you had *** that
didn't care about no suspensionslike Dennis Rodman, Ron Artest,
Anthony Mason, Reggie Miller. These *** ain't care about no
suspensions. You going to get your ass beat?
You going to get even Gilbert Arenas?

(57:33):
Even Gilbert Arenas, he showed up with 100 guns on at the damn
at the at the gym. Baby, why do you need?
Who are you beefing with? And didn't care.
Like I'm tired of them beefing with LeBron.
They they come after LeBron because they know LeBron is not
going to engage. He's not going to, he's not

(57:53):
going to engage. You know, like it's no money in
engaging with them *** Oh, and I'm glad we talked about NBA.
What about your boy Paul Pierce saying the reason why black
guys, black NBA artists, I mean black NBA players go for white
ladies is because they accept accountability?
*** what the fuck you mean? Oh go go for it honey, go go for

(58:19):
it. Every black man that I know with
a black, every black man. Let me say this clearly for the
the listeners. Every black man that I know with
a black wife is excelling. So hey go live your life if
that's what you want. Like I'm I'm tired of the
podcast. Y'all don't know that?
Shit works my nerve. Bro all and do it just see that.

(58:46):
All the relationship podcast andGod damn 20B1 balloon pop, that
shit works my nerves. It shows how it shows how
shallow people are, how you ask me for shit you ain't got.
I'm I'm done. I don't that is 1 type of like
content. I don't watch period.

(59:09):
Don't watch period. Like and I know people who do it
like if they send me a clip, I'll get online and engaged with
it. I don't like it.
You know, I might drop some laughing emojis, you know, to
engage with my friends content, but I don't watch it.
I don't watch it. I don't watch because I'm high.
Like I am tired. I'm tired of the I'm tired of

(59:33):
5050. My Mama just discovered Pop the
balloon. OK, my Mama discovered Pop the
balloon and she called me to tell me about this ground
breaking gas ghetto show called Pop the Balloon.
And I'm like, OK girl. She taught me like 30 minutes
about Pop the balloon and that'sthe first time I talked.

(59:54):
About it exactly. And the chick that Bill does the
show, she's fucking married and happy.
She's married and happy to a black man.
I'm like come on now I'm like y'all don't see the writing on
the walls bro they are playing in your face.
Oh for it, go listen, I I am allfor the content creators getting
money. So if you found your thing, if

(01:00:15):
you found your thing and that thing worked for you, have at
it. I just do not.
I do not watch like relationshipcontents at all.
Like when I say I don't, I do not.
So him saying, you know, black, the black athletes, they white
women, babe, go for it. Go.

(01:00:37):
NFL that damn NFL draft. Go for it, go for it.
When I see black athletes with with black wives, they're
they're not in scandals somehow.Nope.
And look, you know what's crazy now?
Now the white women, now the white women that are getting

(01:00:58):
these young NFL athletes, they're not even waiting for
them to get the contract yet. They're letting them marry them
in college and had a baby beforedraft day.
Now they look like they might like now what you going to tell
me? I saw so many *** get drafted
the other day, stand up with their wife with a baby.
I'm like man, what the fuck is going on before it?

(01:01:22):
It that's. About 20 minutes.
If that's what you want. Like I have exhausted myself as
a black woman arguing this fighton Twitter.
You. Did the credit for it.
The people you arguing would probably.
See when the black so exactly, exactly.
Oh, you know what, live your life.

(01:01:43):
All I'm saying is when I see black athletes with black wives,
black families, they don't have the same.
They're not in the drama. They not getting the
allegations, never. That's it, that's it.
That's all. So hey.
Have added. You have added.
Go for it like. So did.

(01:02:05):
You have the I'll added did. You keep up with the Chidor
Sanders stuff. I did.
I, I wrote a lot about it. Now look, that's how I really
found out about Chidor and just everything.
And like, like he, he's never been arrested.
He's never been in any trouble. He doesn't have a well, he do

(01:02:26):
have a bunch of women hanging around him.
But peep this, none has been on camera with him.
And I'm sure that's all his daddy's doing.
Because one time his daddy said if I wouldn't have married that
Mama, I'd be $25 million with you.
He did have one public relationship, but she was an
actress. She got her own bag.

(01:02:47):
Yeah, that was Home Girl. I remember her.
I can't think of her name because she was at the games and
shit and Dion hugged and everything.
Yeah, but these other bag chasers, Dion with them, you
know what they're here for. Yeah.
Yeah, no, no, like the the younglady who was an actress, they
did pop out together, but I mean, she got her own bag.
She probably she she probably got more winter at the door at
this point. This she popped out to him.

(01:03:08):
She popped out with him at a HBCU at that right And the other
ones came around at there at Colorado.
What is it? Jackson, Ms. You had the actress
out there so you you can kind ofsee how shit goes.
Right, yeah, I've been keeping up with it.
I think it's unfortunate how they doing shut the door.

(01:03:29):
I don't know, the insurance and outs.
I mean, on the outside looking in, it does look like there's a
lot of bias. I.
Definitely a lot of bias. The, the, the want the need to
humble young black athletes. I could go there just on the
outside looking in with what I do know.
I don't know if he's talented onthe field.

(01:03:49):
I don't I don't know anything about his game.
I just know it looks like it's alot of bias towards that young
man. So I really hope he gets out
there and performs. Oh yeah, I'm gonna give you a
little key notes about him. What he was supposed to go in
the top 10, him won in the fifthround, the top ten.

(01:04:11):
You're guaranteed $50 million when he went, when he went, he's
only gained 4 in college. He was making 7 million a year,
right? And then peep this.
They didn't like that he was promoting his brand and not the
NFL. Not only that they picked him in

(01:04:33):
the fifth round of the draft, which is very that basically the
end of the draft, but all of histhey picked up his team got
picked the most receivers got picked from him Then like, well,
who's throwing them the ball? This guy is so you're telling me
he gets picked fifth round, but y'all pick up the most receivers
in the draft from the school where he was throwing the ball?

(01:04:55):
Make it make sense. They don't want to see that guy
get no money because he showed up with the biggest chain on the
world at that draft. They didn't want.
They didn't want. They don't see want to see no
young white kids seeing a black man doing that.
They didn't like when Dion did it.
Dion was a draft in a hot tub. It was a message.
It was definitely a message in my opinion, that was being sent.

(01:05:21):
It's like, Nah, like you too, because all of the reports that
came out as to quote UN quote why he was drafted last was they
all skipped around over not humble.
He's not. He's he was arrogant and it's
like, OK, what? Do you want me to say I suck?
First of all, I want to know. I want to know who these sources

(01:05:41):
are, who is leaking this information and saying, oh,
that's why he wasn't drafted. But all the stories are around
the same thing. He wasn't quote UN quote humble.
What is humble? Like what the fuck is humble?
I ain't never been broke. I was born into a rich family.
I'm still rich 20 years later. What the hell do you want me to?
How do you want me to act? It's humble when when they say

(01:06:04):
black athletes are not humble, what is humble?
And I want them to say the loud,the quiet part out loud because
even with the the track girl, Shakari Richards, OK.
Yeah, yes, Dallas, TX. They didn't like her wigs and
hair and nails. I'm winning though.

(01:06:26):
She's winning. Oh, she too loud, she too
arrogant. And when she had that little
fall from grace, when she fell, oh, God, they couldn't.
They couldn't wait. They was waiting for something
like that to happen. Because she she letting you
know, Yeah, I'm coming to win. She.
I'm coming to beat. I'm.
Glad she cleaned up last year. I'm so glad she cleaned up last

(01:06:48):
year. I'm.
Glad. You got now when you talk about
me, you better put Olympian, Olympic, Olympic winning,
Shikari Richards, gold medal, gold medalist Shikari Richard.
Like *** make sure you put that in there when you write all the
bad. Yeah, 'cause they could not wait

(01:07:10):
to humble her. She need to be humble.
She needs. What is that?
What does that look like? And and I wish they would say
this this black girl just doing too much or this black boy just
doing this without his jury. He think he better than the
program. Hey, show me your racism to my
face. We ain't got to hide.

(01:07:31):
Show me who you is gay. Say it, we got to hide this
black boy. Who does black boy think he is
walking in here? He already got the jewelry, the
money, the cars, The Who the hell he think he is?
Who should Harry think she is exactly like yeah, they can't
say that so they hide it behind this whole humble shit this I

(01:07:55):
mean this whole arrogant thing that's they got to hide it
behind. Oh, they're arrogant.
So no, I'm I'm glad shudor got in.
I knew he would be drafted. He was Oh yeah, he would not to
bro the. Viewership went up 50% because
they say it usually dies down after the first day, but since
he didn't go to the last day, they they they profited off 150%

(01:08:18):
more viewership, which is crazy because nobody's watching to the
fifth round. But since that you're holding
this guy to the fifth. Yeah, y'all won, but you'll
never do it again. You will never look.
All they're doing is making his legacy better because that alone
is going to guarantee him the bio pic out this world.

(01:08:38):
You can't wait. Yeah, even his brother Shiloh,
you know. I love Shiloh Shiloh character.
You know, he was kind of like the unexpected, OK, drafted as a
fridge. OK, Like I hope both of them get
out there and really show out for real.
Oh yeah, Oh yeah, Do your daddy dance, wear his shoes, and let

(01:08:59):
the motherfucker know where you came from.
I really do like, I hope and notjust being flashy and all that,
I love that too. But I I just want that game to
be so Tom Brady level. Like I just want them to just be
the best. I really do.
Yeah, because I mean, like, there's nothing that can ever

(01:09:20):
tell anybody on why this guy gotdrafted so late.
I mean, there's nothing you can tell anybody.
Not nobody. Black for sure, but I was pissed
me off too that you got all these uncle time ship driving
black dudes that also painting the narrative were like, you
know, he had to be like no *** shut the fuck up, you getting
paid bro, shut up. Yeah, yeah.

(01:09:46):
It's, it's frustrating. They, they can't just say who
the hell does he think he is? Like he ain't, he ain't bigger
than us. They can't say that.
And then he goes out and had a #1 jersey.
I saw one reporter. I love that film.
I love, I love it for him. I can't wait.
And I'm not a football person. I like basketball over football.

(01:10:09):
But I really can't wait to see him.
So just see him get out there. Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah. I can't wait to see what he
does. I'm excited for him, I wrote.
I wrote a lot about him. I I feel like I learned a lot
about Shudor during draft that Inever knew of.
Bro, he had, he had all the effort and I told somebody you

(01:10:31):
cannot pay for this much publicity.
He still has it going on. It's been going on two weeks
now. His name?
He has been in the article everyday since the day of the draft.
Oh yes, and I love it. I want it, I want it.

(01:10:51):
I really hope that continues forhim.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Oh yeah. One more question because I ran
over your time that you allowed me already, so I got one.
I got one more question for you.What do you think, because you
say you listen to true crime, what do you think black true
crime has to do to push forward to get to that forefront and get

(01:11:11):
more people active on listening to our stories?
Because I mean, a lot of the white stores are killing for
alimony, houses, horses. You never understand that white
person, no key for it. What do black true crime got to
do to push forward or is there anything they can do?
I think what black true crimers are doing right now, like

(01:11:33):
they're they're getting so far. Just just keep doing this, what
you're doing. That's it.
And don't be afraid to focus solely on black stories.
Like don't. There's this one website that I
love. I think it's called our Black
Sis or something like that. And it's just all black stories

(01:11:57):
of missing, murdered women. I think I know you talking
about. I think I know exactly what
you're talking about. I think I followed them on
Instagram. I think I know exactly who
you're talking about. Yeah, I can't remember the exact
name right now, but don't be afraid to make that your niche
because like I said earlier, therespectfully the white cases are

(01:12:18):
getting the publicity. Of.
Course, so I think for for blacktrue crime content creators to
get further, just keep putting out just keep being consistent.
I saw one of the ladies from another podcast I want I listen
to. I think it's called like it's

(01:12:39):
not black and missing good, goodgirl, black girl going.
That's what it's called. Oh.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like them.
All and she was she's going to be in like a new Hulu
documentary and I remember when she started so to me that lets
me know and and black and missing foundation.
They're getting more in the spotlight and I remember these

(01:13:02):
sites like started so for Black True.
It just. Takes time.
It just takes time and it takes just being, being, being on top
of it, being consistent. That's it like it's come, it's
getting there because now you have more programs on ID channel

(01:13:23):
that are like highlighted and they're actually saying like,
yeah, black cases are not getting the coverage that they
need. Back in the day, they wouldn't
say that at. All.
You had researchers come throughand coin the term missing white
woman syndrome where that's justbasically how the media handles

(01:13:48):
white missing persons cases versus black one.
But you had like they wouldn't touch it.
They wouldn't actually say the term out loud.
Even all of the researchers werecoining this phrase.
Oh no, that they not touching it.
Now we see because people like you, the black true crime
content creators, keep pushing this out.

(01:14:09):
So now you see the big networks acknowledging this is OK.
It's a real phenomenon and we need to highlight more cases.
And that is so because of peoplelike you.
That is solely because of peoplelike you keeps forcing it in
their faces. So it's like what y'all are

(01:14:32):
doing. That's really it.
Just keep pushing those stories out, you know, and you'll have
you'll have families reach out and it, it might be a family of
a non black person like, Hey, can you please help get this
story out? Because there are, there are
white cases that don't make the news, right?
If they're not a perfect victim,if they're a drug addict or

(01:14:54):
runaway, those don't make the news right.
So I get it. But just don't be afraid to make
your platform black, black, black as hell.
Oh, yeah, And that's how we're going to keep.
I'm going to keep on drinking myHennessy during my shows.
I'm going to keep on smoking my hookah.
I'm going to tell all my listeners to keep pointing, but
not my brother's keeper, which is Pink Amsterdam.
I mean, Pink Whitney at New Amsterdam, your favorites of

(01:15:17):
rock and lemonade and you pour it with your heart.
Get drunk game. Yeah.
And and this is your niche, drink a little drink, smoke your
hookah and talk about these realcases that's going on the new
this is your thing. This is a very laid back
environment where if I did have a missing loved 1A murdered

(01:15:38):
loved one like I would feel comfortable coming on here.
And I'm going to tell the story how it went.
It ain't going to be no like I'mnot going to say they got into
an argument. I'm going to say, hey man, he
was sitting this woman, he went in there with that issue and
that's how that shit happened. It was no planning this shit
like when I saw of his own. Exactly, You know, so I think

(01:15:59):
your platform is is just super inviting.
You could kick back, you could come and and tell the story.
I've had people even reach out to me like I see you a Blogger.
This is what happened with my loved one.
Do you think any outlet you knowwould be interested?
You know what I'm saying? Like I never really knew

(01:16:19):
personally who to refer them to.I would refer them to you now.
Like I know a outlet, but I knowa guy and and he is eager to
tell your story. So I just think and with, you
know, black true crime, just sticking together in this and

(01:16:39):
and focusing on the bigger picture.
The bigger picture is educating the public about what is going
on. Like the one guy in Atlanta some
months back, Little baby's ex partner in his restaurant killed
in broad daylight. Yeah, I saw that in like that
one is so that one is so new that I haven't like looked at it
yet. But it's just crazy that like,

(01:17:02):
he can be, he can be killed likethat in broad daylight.
What, daylight for riding in hiscar?
And then you got the people. He shouldn't have had a nice
car. Or maybe they shouldn't.
Yeah, exactly. Maybe they shouldn't kill him.
Like what the hell, you know? And he was, and he was a
restaurant tour. That was not even his only
location. They was looking for that guy.

(01:17:24):
They were looking for that guy, you know, I I don't want.
And I even posted something whenit happened, Like black men
deserve to ride in their fancy cars with their jewelry without
being harmed, you know? But that case, I brought that up
to say it's just been quiet. Yeah.
Nothing. It's no updates.

(01:17:46):
It's it's no, it's no nothing. It happened and you got black
people absolutely like devastated in that area and
there is nothing nothing, you know, So we we need people like
y'all to keep pushing and sayinghey, no, like something happened

(01:18:08):
to that dude. Oh.
Yeah, Oh yeah. And when we find out, we got.
Yeah, I love what y'all doing. Like I, I try to watch as many
black true crimers as I can. Oh yeah.
So just just that's, that's the only way to get it to the
forefront. To go back to your question,
just what y'all doing right now?Like it's enough.

(01:18:28):
You're enough. The content is enough.
And and before I before I get out, I know this is also a big
topic right now, especially in Houston, the Turkey Lake Hood.
Do you know anything about it? Oh man.
And mentioned everybody in Houston would do that up five
years ago. We all knew because, you know,
Houston is big but small. We all knew this.

(01:18:52):
It's only news to the people outside Houston.
Like we knew this *** did this shit a long time ago.
Yeah, we remember when he was when he got, he started showing
his wraps for his dispensary. But *** where?
Where's the dispensary at? We see the rapping.
We see you pulling your shit out.
The rapping. Where's the dispensary?

(01:19:13):
Long and behold, it's at the fucking Turkey Lake Hood.
Can I get a ground? A Turkey Lake Hood with Mac and
cheese? That's.
Tough that's. Paid them *** $1400 and the
first thing they did when they got jammed up was tail on.
You know, I just, I, I went to the Turkey Leg Hut.
I've been in Houston quite a fewtimes but I only went to Turkey

(01:19:35):
Leg Hut once and just to see thecommunity turn up for.
You see how big you you do. You see how look, people don't
realize how much of a party being in line was.
Just being in like we, me and myMama, we stood in line like
comfortably. We didn't give a damn.
We had how? Many hours y'all there.

(01:19:55):
How many hours y'all in there? 2-3 'cause you were definitely
exactly and I told somebody thatI say bro y'all just don't
realize that turclate hot alone.It was the party because outside
the line you had the daiquiri hood, you had a *** out there
that was like, hey, you want to get on the scooter, you can rent
it for an hour. Renting that scooter for an
hour, *** you're going to come back.
You still in line. Yes, like it, it was just such a

(01:20:19):
vibe they had a community just flopped for it like.
More people out there. You had the hooker people out
there apparently, apparently haddispensary out there like you
got, you got this *** lining up all his classic cars so you also
got a car show. I'm like come.
On. Dog.
Oh God, like people. People just don't know how the
turtle leg head was now when theshit popped off we all knew what

(01:20:41):
that was too, but people don't realize how big of a place this
was. Man, I, I just hate to see a
fall from grace like that. And I hate when it's rooted and
just being greedy. Like right, you got this
business that's bigger than lifewhen people down.
I don't know how it is in Houston, but in Florida, when

(01:21:01):
you think of Houston, you thought of Turkey Leg Hut as far
as food, as far as food goes, we, you couldn't wait, man, I
can't wait to charge Turkey Leg Hut.
That's all they talked about down here.
Yeah. It.
Was that big, man, It was that big that them *** had.
Like how you got a line like it was closed on Mondays, but how

(01:21:22):
you got a line in the middle of the day on a Tuesday?
Middle of the day because we went through the week.
I went through the times I went.I went through in a week.
When my wife went, she of coursewent through the weekend.
But I would always pay for my wife to skip the line because,
you know, you can pay in advanceif you pay in advance.
Oh, you pay in advance. You don't got to be in line 15
minutes. That's why the line was always

(01:21:42):
backed up because the people that paid already get skipped
the whole line. They are guaranteed to be at a
table in 15 minutes. I always pay for my wife not
being that line. That's crazy, Yeah, But you got
an operation like that where people so eager to get in that
they're paying to skip the restaurant like you make them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You paid to skip the line.
I think it was $100 deposit. Everything goes to your food and

(01:22:05):
I think you can take a, you can take a, it could be a group of
four. So basically if everybody put
they 25 in, y'all all go in and they all go see a food.
Yeah, certainly he was doing it like that.
Yeah, he's in like 3 hours because you got all these people
that are paid in advance. They got to get in.
That's frustrating, that. Your table is only two hours, so
you got to turn up once you get in there.
You come so far and you grow this bigger than life food

(01:22:27):
empire and just to see it go like that, I hate that.
I hate seeing this shit. I hate it.
I follow him and his wife just for like a long time.
And you start seeing the fall. She doing is posting prayers
now. Yeah, it's like, it's so, Oh my
God, like a fall from grace likethat, that's rough.
And if he may be able to bounce back, you know, eventually, but

(01:22:52):
he, he, he's not going to be able to bounce back.
Oh no, he he looking at 20. Everybody told on him.
He went to, he went to, he went to bond hearing on Thursday and
on Wednesday he got on there andhe had people post a message to
him when he was recording and tomy hey, y'all, I'll be home
tomorrow. Just that and the other, just
that and the other and one. One thing I know about *** in
jail is once they say I'll be home soon, *** go up with your

(01:23:15):
life. And then the the the setting
fire to the dude restaurant likebro you doing?
And they was on the same fuckingstreet.
If you went to Turk like Hut yousaw 5015.
Doing too much bro, you just doing too you got too much money
and you came too far to to go out like this like you, you just

(01:23:37):
doing too much. Ain't going out bad.
He going, he going look, he going to get that 20.
You got too many people telling on you.
You're going to get that 20 unless you plead guilty and take
maybe 15 or 10. But you getting time bro, You
getting time. I I I just hate seeing shit like
that even with rappers like y'all come so far and just throw

(01:23:58):
it away. I hate that because you know how
hard it is to run a restaurant and you got multiple locations
and you got people like you paying 100 to skip the like you
rich off of that. Why can't that just be enough
bro? Like you remember Keith Lee came
and everybody told him not to goto crack Lake Hood.
Yeah, yeah. Because, you know, she's Lee's

(01:24:19):
vibe and Turkland vibe ain't thesame thing.
Yeah, it's not the same. So I mean, like, he was
guaranteed that he was not goingto get a good experience because
this is where all the hoes there, R Kelly came to Houston
and he stayed in Turtle Lake Hutfor a week.
Yeah. So they said R Kelly was coming
in and leaving with waitresses. It's the turn up spot.

(01:24:41):
Yeah, it was vibe. It didn't fit nothing.
Keith Lee had to bring his opinion.
Wouldn't have mattered. It wouldn't have mattered.
No, no, no, no. It, it, it wouldn't have
mattered. It just wasn't a good fit.
I'm. Like *** we're talking about the
food, *** we already drinking, what you talking about?
Yeah. Drinking.
You don't like the Turkey leg? *** we don't even eat that shit.
*** we smoking? But what made the Turkey Leg Hut

(01:25:02):
special, at least when I went, 'cause I, I heard the food, you
know, kind of fell off a little bit.
But I think what made it so special is that that time the
food was so damn good and you turn up and you, it's like vibes
out of this world. You run into everybody there,
everybody Houston artist, all the Rockets players, all the

(01:25:23):
Houston, TX players, Bro, you'regoing to.
You better have your phone charged.
It's a vibe, the whole. It's a vibe, the whole and the
food good. The only other place in Houston.
I mean, I ain't gonna lie, all the food I eat in Houston be
damn good. That's what.
Everybody say when they come like, hey man, we got to go back
like it's a party non-stop in Houston these day.
Parties start on Thursday, they start on Thursday and they and

(01:25:44):
they go all through Sunday at midnight.
I love that city. It's like the best cheap trip
you can book from Florida. So God damn Houston like it's
just nothing but so I I just hate how he going out.
I really do. And it's all self-inflicted.
I have no one to blame. Yeah, he has nobody to blame.
He he can't punch finger at nobody because it was money

(01:26:06):
influenced. That because you was already
rich. So what did you do it for?
I just. I didn't see what Ross at the
hearing or nothing, but he was kicking it and hanging with Ross
somebody that's how does his boythis that the other.
I ain't see none of them people that was at all them car shows
with him, not one. Heck no, Heck no.
It's a wrap for that. I just, I hate that.

(01:26:28):
But you know, he got to learn the hard way.
He learning the hard way. Yeah, because going to jail for
20 years at 42 is crazy. That's sad 'cause it didn't even
have to be all this bro like. Nope Nope, all started with you
sleeping with some waitresses. Oh man, hate that guys to be
more careful. Let everybody know where they

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can find you at. OK, so I'm mostly on Instagram.
The fine author on Instagram, fine author on TikTok, The fine
author under Score on Twitter? Yeah, or the Cake Dish official
on Instagram. That's my podcast page.
I'm getting back consistent withthat, so I'm super excited.

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Oh yeah. My books in the wicked we trust
no grace for the wicked that's. The ones I'm giving out, people
have already picked theirs. I was just, I was just waiting
for this interview to send them out.
I hope y'all like it. My short novel.
Will you join me? All three are on Amazon right
now. We've been working these last
couple weeks to bring Barnes andNoble up to date.

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So so far, only my first book, No Grace for the Wicked, is on
Barnes and Noble, but we're working on that for all you
Barnes and Noble lovers got there.
So. Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, we still got readers out here.
We need more readers. We need more plumbers and less
rappers. Hello, less rappers.

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Oh man, I'm man, I'm glad to browhen I tell you I was excited
about this interview all week and I was like pissed at like
the like today, like ran by so fast and like any other time.
I'm by myself today. No, my wife, she got this going
on. She want me to take off this.
I'm like Nicole. I literally got her sitting in

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front of the screen and I'm walking off.
This ain't professional game. But this is the day when this
stuff happens though. But I can't miss this episode
bro. I said this is guys happen.
I'm just going to try to figure it out and then not all that.
You spared me some extra time. I think you gave him another
20-30 minutes. But I'm, I thank you for that.
And hopefully one day you'll write about true black true

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crime and not my brother's keeping me.
What you talking about? But I thank you for coming on.
And yeah, man, maybe down the line I can get you back on for
something I give you. I can tell you a story because
that was the intention. But like, again, when people are
giving me conversation that likelike minded people, because once
you start telling me about the the guy in the desert and you
start talking about how black true crime and you start

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mentioning key points and key things that I like to hear when
I'm talking to people. Hey, man, I ain't got nothing to
talk about. We can.
We can do this again another day.
It's just slow. Oh yeah, it's just.
Slow. That's.
Let's talk about truth crime. We're talking about basketball.
Exactly. And see those are conversations
you like. You can't, you can't cut off
them type. You can't cut off those type of
conversations because they have to be had.

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They have to be had. They have to be had.
We're going to run it back. We're definitely going to run it
back. And again, congratulations on
the new positions. Congratulations on your
interviews. I mean, like once I saw it, I
shared it and I saw that you wason the on that that list on that
other day you had posted that Instagram, but they wouldn't let

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me comment on there. You know, you was at the top of
the list for the books to read for that month.
So congratulations about that. I think it was book of the
month. No, no, no, I pay attention,
bro, because I don't want to never go into nothing blind.
I definitely paid attention. Definitely paid attention.
I appreciate it so. Much Oh yeah, I'm actually going
to drop this episode Monday because I already got one

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dropping at midnight. Me I look, I sit up and write
all day. I sit up and write all day and I
had I had already wrote an episode for you, but it was
going to end up being a Part 2. So I'm glad I didn't say it
because I would have wanted you to be on the whole thing.
But this conversation was I meanI loved it.
I loved it. Oh yeah, It was a lovely.
So I would drop this Monday. It will come out Monday at
midnight. Y'all know where to meet me at?

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I'm on I'm on TikTok not my brother's keeper Instagram not
my brother's keeper if you want to e-mail me for ad space which
y'all never do. Y'all rather just send me cash
out for some reason not my brother's keeper at Gmail.
Brothers is spelled BROTHAZ. Until next time, peace.
Bye.