May 8, 2025 • 71 mins
Is there a correlation between PCOS and Autism? Let's find out!
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Hi, Minder. Hi, Nikki.
We're back again, as promised, the day before this goes live.
Like like 7:00 PM the day beforebecause we were supposed to do
it earlier today. But I told Nikki I'm like, I
just, I can't. I don't want to.
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It's fine. I just the executive function is
not existent for me right now and I I told her I watched I
watched Thunderbolt yesterday and I won't spoil anything but
legislators like extinuating circumstances that the like.
I was very surprised that this movie made me cry.
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It was a very good movie, but there's just a scene in it that
I'm like, oh, this hit me hard. No, me gusta.
I don't want to feel these feelings right now.
So that's where I'm at. So anyways, hi, we're a podcast.
Oh, wait, your your volume, your.
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Well, there you go. Trying to go right into my
intro. My mic's muted.
That's all right. Fuck it.
It's live. We're keeping it in.
We're doing it live. Anyway, yes, we are a podcast
and we are our two narrow, divergent best friends.
Naveling, naveling, naveling. Man, see, we're with it today.
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It's. Traveling neuro first together
you're trying. Navigating and traveling at the
same time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because we're living in a neurotypical world.
We are not neurotypical girls. OK, We got that out.
Who needs a Take 2? Not us.
Not us. Hold on.
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I have to tell my husband to tell my kid to stop jumping
around in my living room becauseI will absolutely hear it on the
mic. No matter what I do in this
room, I will hear it on the mic.No longer recliner recording
because my hips can't handle it anymore.
My hips don't lie and they're telling me it's time to get the
fuck out the recliner. So that's where we're at.
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We're back in the office. You guys are like, we're not
lying, we're screaming, OK, yes,OK.
Sorry, we're smiling. Just finish that text.
OK? So anyway, hi, we're here.
It is Amanda's turn to talk at us and teach us some things
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today. So without further ado, people
collectively who speak French, screaming at their whatever's
right now that is around them telling us to stop being stupid.
What are we talking about? So, OK, so basically what we
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discussed last episode or may the fourth be with you episode
that we're kind of going along aschedule.
And so we're starting with like we're like like every week is
going to be kind of like a different type of episode.
So for this week we're doing a comorbidities and I could have
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gone, I won't say the easy routeof like picking like depression
or anxiety because like we'll probably get, we'll probably
touch on it at some point. But we've already kind of talked
about it before. Basically we're trying to get
into comorbidities of like neurodivergency for in our
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experience that would be like autism and ADHD.
And so I thought of, I want to see if there's a link between
either autism or ADHD and PCOS, which is polycystic ovarian
syndrome, which I was diagnosed with it at 17.
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And you were diagnosed with it right as well, right?
Yeah, I was. Mine was later.
Mine was 20. No, no, because it was after
Nick was born, so I was 20. It was right when I was first
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with Jordan. I've been like 24, about 24 when
I was diagnosed. Yeah, so basically I don't
remember what kind of why this POTS in my head it just it's I
think it's because it's like it's something that we both have
and then we're both diagnosed ADHD and both like self
diagnosed autistic. So I wanted to see if there was
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just a link or if it's just likea coincidence.
And actually there are some studies and articles saying that
there actually might be a link. Like both with women with autism
and or ADHD have a higher chanceof having PCOS or when with PCOS
have a higher chance of being autistic, that type of thing.
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Or. Like like a couple of the
studies I saw were mothers with PCOS have a higher chance of
having a child with autism or ADand or ADHD.
Really. Yeah.
And so it kind of explains it. It was kind of interesting.
And I won't, I have like 4 linksthat I sent to Nikki and I kind
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of took out the nitty gritty, like very dry like talk about it
because a lot of it's like just numbers and you know, scientific
terms that I have no business discussing and I wouldn't be
able to talk about verbatim. I may have done well in science,
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but scientific studies are not my my strong suit, you know?
And. So I kind of, well, I kind of
just took like the the abstracts, like brief, the brief
talks about the studies and likethe conclusions of the studies.
And I will say like there's one article that I wanted to include
that kind of talks about like references the study, like the
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main study I was looking at. And even then, like the article
was like, well, it's still like kind of unclear.
So we're not, I'm not saying this is like a direct, like like
a like a for sure comorbidity. It's just I found it interesting
that they did. There have been studies that
show that women with PCOS, basically you have like women
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with PCOS have a higher chance of being autistic than women
without PCOS. So.
Interesting. Yeah.
And so it's, and once you read about it, it's like, it's like,
oh, that kind of makes sense. So if you don't know what PCOS
is, like I said, it's polycysticovarian syndrome.
It's a health condition. And I'm reading this from the
one like this one article that is kind of like on the fence of
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what this could be, which is autismparentingmagazine.com.
And they explain that health condition PCOS is a health
condition that affects a woman'shormonal levels.
The condition, which effects millions of women of
reproductive age is also sometimes referred to as Stein.
Leventhal syndrome is characterized by the ovaries
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producing an abnormal amount of hormones related to male
reproductive health and traits referred to as androgens.
The name polycystic ovarian syndrome originally came about
to describe small cysts in the ovaries, but it's now realized
that polycystic ovaries actuallyhave a high follicle number with
the follicles resembling cysts. So basically like I said, this
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is something I was diagnosed with at 17.
I originally I was taking medicine for it.
I think it was called like Glucophage, which I think is
also use to treat. I want to say we used to treat
diabetes. I want to say like it's it's
been years since I've taken it. You know, it's it's I'm.
Sure to give you that. Or metformin.
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They gave me metformin at first.Yeah, and so I personally don't
have diabetes. I'm not even pre diabetic, you
know, at this point in time, as far as I'm aware, I've never had
issues with sugar levels. So I think at the time, like I
stopped taking it not that long after they prescribed it me
'cause it did not make me feel good, 'cause I think they kind
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of just not necessarily assume that like when with PCOS have
diabetes, but I think because it's used to also treat
diabetes, it did not make me feel good.
Like it just lowered my my glucose levels way too low and
it just made me feel like shit basically.
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Yeah, I actually. Went to the hospital for that.
Yeah, my blood. Sugar got too low.
Yeah, and so 'cause I get it from my mom, my mom also has has
low blood sugar. I don't think she has PCOS.
She has lupus, which is genetic.And so I could possibly have
lupus, but I've never been tested for it.
But anyway, so in terms of like the research and link between
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PCOS and autism, this is still from that
autismparentingmagazine.com. It said going by the results of
AUK based study called Cherskov ET al from 2018, which I will
mention which I'll go further into into from another article
like from nature.com, it seems that there is indeed association
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between PCOS and autism. The study found autistic women
in the UK have an almost twofoldincrease in the risk for PCOS.
The study also found that women with PCOS had a 35% greater
chance of having first born children with autism.
So I and. Oh damn.
I know. So, OK, so to get I didn't
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really take much more out of that article.
They kind of just their whole thing was like, I don't think
that they were taking it as likea like, well, that's we're not
taking this as like a, that one correlates the other.
Basically like they have one section that says reading
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between the links. It said when summarizing current
research, the evidence strongly suggests the link between PCOS
and autism when the PCOS from likely have an assisted child
and they're most more likely to have autism spectrum disorder.
But it said, lastly, it's vital to note the conclusion of the
study mentioned above. The authors emphasize that the
study findings are suggestive ofthe fact that autism children,
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women with PCOS is still very rare.
And that like, it's, it's not saying like PCOS causes autism,
it's just kind of like a correlation between the two.
So that's kind of like where I'mgetting at from the bit of
research that I did. And so this is kind of like a
learn along with me type of thing.
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But one I told Nikki, I said I kind of just don't want to seem
like I'm bumbling through the articles.
I wanted to be like one step above the learn along with me
that we sometimes do. So to get further into that
Cherskov study. And I don't know if I'm
pronouncing that right, it's CHERSKOV.
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Cherskov or Cherskov. I found this on nature.com.
Basically the the concept is elevated levels of prenatal
testosterone may increase the risk for autism spectrum just
conditions or autism. Given that PCOS is also
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associated with elevated prenatal testosterone and its
precursor sex steroids, A hypothesis from the prenatal sex
steroid theory is that women with PCOS should have elevated
autistic traits and a higher rate of autism among their
children. They used electronic health
records obtained from the Clinical practice Research Data
Link, or CPRD, in the UK between1990 and 2014 and conducted 3
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case controlled studies. So basically they're trying to
find a link like they, they think that the link between like
autism and PCOS is the like elevated testosterone seen in
both, which also might explain why like, you know how it's just
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a tried and true statement of boys are always going to be more
diagnosed with autism than girls.
Like it's just like they're they, they try to like it's you,
you see, boys are more likely todiagnose like with autism
because they just tend to look for it more in boys.
And I'm wondering if it's, that's the like testosterone
link. So the introduction was that
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PCOS is defined by hyper androgenism with ovulatory
dysfunction and or ovarian cysts.
The independent association of prenatal androgens with PCOS
suggests predictions from the prenatal sex toy theory of
autism when with PCOS should have a higher rate of autistic
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traits and a higher rate of autism among their children
basically. And, and they said they're they
fall in two categories. Those that investigated these
traits move with autism and those that investigate autistic
traits move with PCOS. In the first category, self
report of reproductive and sex toy related symptoms suggests an
increase of these symptoms with autism.
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And women with autism also have increased levels of
androstitinidione, which is an adrenal and androgen.
See, like I said, not a scientist, but it's OK.
Yes. And in the second category, when
would PCOS score higher on measures of autistic traits?
As do their daughters, but not their sons.
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A recent population study in Sweden found a specifically
increased risk of autism in children with mothers of from
mothers with PCOS. So basically, so they did three
studies. So like study one, they examined
the risk of PCOS and women with autism care to those without
autism and they found that a specifically higher percentage
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of women with autism were diagnosed with PCOS than the
controls. So basically they well before I
get into like, OK, so basically they took like 40 women, I think
40 women that were diagnosed with PCOS and like had them take
the like autism quotient test and then they had 40 women not
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diagnosed that PCO. Like they don't have any like
issues related to PCOS and also had them take the autism
quotient test. So that's that's where the study
come from. So like, like I said, study one,
they found that when with autism, we're also more likely
to have any of the three core clinical signs or symptoms of
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PCOS and diabetes is more prevalent in the autism group
compared to with the controls, as was depression, anxiety and
schizophrenia related conditions.
Then study 2, they examined the risk of autism in women with
PCOS compared to those without PCOS.
Autism was almost 2 times more prevalent in PCOS cases than in
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the controls. Compared with controls, PCOS
cases also had an increased prevalence of diabetes and
obesity, and they're likely to have depression, anxiety and
schizophrenia related conditionswhich persisted with adjustment
for comorbid psychiatric conditions.
Adjustment for these conditions in the model attenuated the
increased odds for autism in PCOS cases, although the trend
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was still present. And in the final study, they
examined the risk of autism in first born children of mothers
with PCOS compared to first bornchildren and mothers without
PCOS. And then in the non adjusted
model, mothers with PCOS had higher odds of having a child
with autism then then did the controls.
So which I found like interesting.
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So obviously it's, we still don't know for sure like where
autism comes from. And like I said, this is not
saying that PCOS causes autism because you can have autism
without having PTOPCOS and vice versa.
It's more of the how the like the hormones, how like can
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affect the rate of autism in someone, right?
So what? What do you think about that?
I think it's very fucking interesting considering I am a
woman who was diagnosed with PCOS and have a first born son
who's autistic and also a secondborn son who's autistic and then
later found out I was also autistic.
So there's that. But again, we definitely just
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want to stress correlation does not equal causation here.
And I don't even think these scientific studies are saying
that. They're saying research is still
out. Like the jury's still out on
this. We're still, this is still very
new studies, but it sounds to melike it has something to do
with, like you said, the hormones and the way that those
can interact with the body during development and all that
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good shit, good shit. But maybe the quality or the
type of, you know, egg that drops, like, I don't know if
there's a correlation between the quality of eggs that someone
with PCOS produces versus someone who does not have PCOS
or if that has anything to do with it.
Or if those eggs are geneticallydifferent somehow because of
that condition. But that's why I think further
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study would have definitely be done because there's you'd have
to take it even deeper. Do you know what I mean?
Like down to like, what was the condition of the mother's, you
know, reproductive health at that time?
Yeah, yeah, I guess it the studies definitely get further
into that. Like they explain more like they
took the 40 women to break between the ages of 18 and 35.
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Like I said, they screen them for different traits and health
issues. And so I'd like I didn't want to
get like 2 nitty gritty and I do.
I will talk more about it. Don't actually now that I look
at it, I'm sorry. The 40 women part, which was not
part of that study, it was part of another study which I have on
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another article. I think I was combining the two.
I don't, I don't remember how many they were, what the control
was for the UK study, but there was like another study in Turkey
where they took 40 women betweenthe ages of 1835 with PCOS and
40 women without PCOS and like compared them, which to be fair,
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like 40 is a small sample size, but it's just an interesting
like sample group. And that that UK study I found
also mentioned in this one website, itslikecardiff.ac.uk.
And it was, I don't have much from that article, just kind of
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like backing up, just saying that kind of bring in the ADHD
thing. It says like women with PCOS are
prone to mental health disordersand their children face an
increased risk developing ADHD and autism spectrum disorder.
And according to a new study by research at Cardiff University's
Neuroscience and Mental Health Research Institute.
So just kind of backing up that other study in the UK, it's a
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children born to mothers with PCOS were also found to be at
greater risk of developing ADHD and, and autism.
And these findings, just women with PCOS, should be screened.
For mental health disorders to ensure early diagnosis of
treatment and ultimately improvetheir quality of life.
So it's just kind of bringing that into it.
But I'm glad the consensus was in order to improve their
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quality of life instead. Of in order to put them in a
database. Right, or, or to put them in a,
in a like a mental institute, right?
Like right, Because back in the day they were just lobotomized
them, right? Like that woman is sad.
We'll just cut out part of her brain and they'll make her feel
better, right? Right.
Oh my gosh. And so there was another one.
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This is from sciencedirect.com. This is from 2012.
And so I think you can kind of tell by kind of like the
language that they use. But so like OK, so to start off,
they say like autism spectrum conditions, ASC, I'm just going
to call it autism is characterized by impairments in
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reciprocal social interaction, verbal and non verbal
communication, imaginative play,and by strong repetitive
behavior and narrow interests with more males than females
receiving diagnosis. The androgen theory of autism
proposes that ASC are in part due to elevated fetal
testosterone levels, which are inversely correlated with social
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language development and positively correlated with
autism related behaviors. It says there's evidence that
females with autism and females with PCOS are hyper masculine
and less feminized in several aspects of behavior and
cognition. A recent study found that girls
with autism did not show the female typical play preferences,
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and women with autism reported higher rates of tomboyism in
childhood. Women with PCOS also reported
less feminine childhood behaviorand less gender typical
behavior. Additionally, females with
autism tend to display a hypermasculine profile on many
cognitive tasks, and women with PCOS demonstrated worst
performance on female favoring cognitive tasks than the healthy
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women quote UN quote healthy women.
Right that. Seems like it's a little bit.
Yeah, I'm like, that's why I'm like, that's why I wanted to
point out like this is from 2012.
Just want to point this out. We we both know and I think a
lover listener knows that like there's a lot of social
constructs when it comes to likewhen you call a girl a tomboy,
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like just because a girl likes to climb trees or play with
trucks, then she's a tomboy instead of just a child playing
or like saying a boy playing with dolls is being feminine.
It's like, or he's just a boy playing with a human, like a
representation of a human figureand possibly maybe showing signs
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that you might be a good father,you know, who knows?
But so that's why I want to point out the the date of the
article. Yeah, definitely sounds its age.
We'll put. It So basically in this present
study they compared the artistictraits in women with PCOS and
healthy controls. So 41 with PCOS and 41 without
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it. Since prenatal androgens were
implicated in the genesis of PCOS and association between
fetal testosterone autistic traits was suggested, they
predicted that women with PCOS would have more autistic traits
than typical women. So basically their study
procedure was they took 40 womenbetween the ages of 1835 with
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PCOS and recruited them from theDepartment of Obstetrics and
Gynecology, Miram Faculty of Medicine in Konya, Turkey.
PCOS diagnosis was based on the Rotterdam diagnosis criteria.
So they were officially like medically diagnosed with this.
For comparison, they took 40 healthy age and BMI matched
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women between the ages of 1835 who had regular menses, and they
were recruited from the general population.
Women with a history of irregular menstrual cycles, acne
or excessive hair growth, or those using oral contraceptives
were excluded. So they just wanted no chance
that these women, like, could have PCOS.
So they kind of just took all the symptoms, like you can't
have these symptoms. The control group.
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Yeah. So, yeah, all other inclusion
and exclusion criteria for the PCOS group were also applied to
the selection of the control group.
So before they entered the study, a physical examination
was performed by the same physician on all women in the
Faculty of Medicine. Weight and height were measured
and BMI was calculated. All participants were then
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invited to complete the Autism Spectrum quotient.
So in conclusion, the study found that women with PCOS had
an increased number of autistic traits, together with the
evidence that prenatal androgen levels are socioreatistic traits
and that higher rates of PCOS and other androgen related
conditions are reported. Women with autism Their new
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finding confirms that prenatal exposure to high levels of
androgen may be involved in development of autism.
Further studies are needed to investigate the association
between PCOS and autism. So basically they're like, well,
these women with these like higher levels of testosterone
also like just had increased risk of autism connection maybe
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possibly, right And. Which I mean, it's a good road
to explore, right? Like, I think especially if we
apply that to today's climate where there seems to be a lot of
focus, which we're not getting into in this episode, but
there's a lot of focus on the autistic community right now.
And I feel an incorrect direction, but I think the
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misconception of of the general consensus in the community that
is against the kind of things that are going on right now is
that we are against the researchaspect of it or that we are
against finding out why it happens.
I don't think that's the case, or at least it's not for me.
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I think any amount of research and development in being able to
understand autism better than being able to give people who
are autistic better quality of life, better resources, better
care, more understanding is nothing but good, right?
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Like you can't get any bad from that.
Like the search for knowledge for those reasons cannot come up
with bad intentions and it just can't right?
Like, but when you're approaching it from the aspect
of this is a disease to be cured, then we have problems,
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right? Like I don't want to hear your
research about it being a disease to be cured.
I don't. And I think the way that these
studies come out and say like, hey, this seems to be a
correlation that we are seeing, right?
There's this seems to be a common occurrence.
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It's to me seems to be pointing back towards the genetic route,
right? Like you are Born This Way.
There's not something you can catch.
You can't catch the tism, right?But you're Born This Way.
And then it's like, OK, well, what if we could just get the
world to agree on that, right? Then we can dig deeper into, OK,
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what, what is there? Is there an actual gene that
causes this? Is there, this is there that,
you know, like what things couldwe possibly be doing to improve
our health and Wellness? And the quality of life for
people in this community who allare already here and for those
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who will come into the world autistic in the future, Right?
Like that's that. I think this stuff is is
interesting when you're talking about it because it just points
me back towards that you're BornThis Way.
Narrative. Yeah, it's, it's also the fact
of they think that like one, they think autism just kind of
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just sprout up in the past, say 30 years or so.
Like like people, they're like, well, there's no people like, I
don't know, I can't name anyone like that's autistic.
I'm like OK. You know how like.
Your your uncle, your uncle Terry like had trains like a
bunch of displays of trains thatno one could touch but had to be
in all a sort and certain order.And he only had certain
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silverware he liked to use and liked to sit, eat a meal, his
meat and potatoes, every single like and had a had a routine.
You don't think there was a little bit of autism?
There and would get really pissed off if you did something
outside of any of those things or you got touched something he
didn't want you to touch or whatever.
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But it's just the fact that somepeople think they come from the
Pope, since we can't say, you know, the V word on on yeah,
they can't like come from a Pope.
To me, it's just baffling. It's kind of like the people
that, quote UN quote, discoveredMount Everest or discovered a
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planet or a moon or * but then acting like it's like it's
acting like they didn't exist before that point.
It's like, no, we just saw it atthat point.
We were able to see it. Like the whole, I don't know if
this was caught before the wholemammograms, the introduction of
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mammograms, increasing the diagnosis of like like breast
cancer, but then thinking like breast cancer diagnosis would
just jumped up astronomically like in the mid 70s, like after
mammograms were introduced. It's like, no, they breast
cancer and all that existed. It's just we have no way of, we
had no way of diagnosing it like, or at least properly
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diagnosing it. It's like, yeah, sure, some
things are like getting worse, like you know, say like skin
cancer, like I'm sure back like,you know, back then people got
skin cancer too. But it just it is what it is.
And so this whole. As science evolves, we find more
things and we're able to diagnose more things.
And therefore there will be certain years where it looks
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like everybody was diagnosed with something or there's a huge
spike in diagnosis for somethingand it's like or a huge drop in
diagnosis. You can't correlate that with
the rise or fall of a certain thing.
It's because the new technology came out and we're not able to
diagnose the thing, right or we're understanding anything
better or whatever. And now that's going to
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correlate with higher rates of diagnosis of the thing.
There's the technology to diagnose the thing now.
Do you know what I mean? Or the understanding to diagnose
the thing. Right, exactly.
And I so like, I so basically seeing these Co comorbidities of
autism and you know, and or likeADHD, it's interesting.
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It's kind of like almost like closing the gap.
It's like, OK, so we see that women with PCOS have a like, are
twice as likely to have autism than when without PCOS.
So, and here's like, here's a possible reason why.
So it's kind of like, OK, if we can find more comorbidities and
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find the link between that, it'slike we kind of just get closer
and closer to figure out like where like definitively where
like autism comes from. Like, OK, say, like say the
general consensus is it's genetic, OK, but we need to
figure out how like where, what,what gene is it on?
What like is if it's on a certain gene, like then what's
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the criteria? Like what hormones affect?
Like, you know, if it it's like,OK, so it it's on a certain
gene, but you have to have a certain hormone levels to affect
it or something happens. It just you kind of have like
what activates the gene to present autism in somebody, that
sort of thing. So I just found it interesting
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because I was like, I just want to see if PCOS is a comorbidity.
And I'm not definitely saying itis.
I just like seeing those few studies talk about it.
And there were several more articles.
There was a lot more articles onlike the the NIH website that
were heavily like so dry, just so dry.
And so I didn't want to include those because they were just
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entire PhD thesis level, like talking about it.
Yeah, so, and I'm not, I'm not, I'm not about that life.
So so you could. Yeah.
And so and there was, and there was more studies about women
like mothers with PCOS having a higher chance of having children
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with autism, that sort of thing.And there was a lot more studies
about that. So I kind of just wanted to keep
it more concise. And so to me, like for me
personally, it, it kind of like makes sense because I have
always had like more quote, UN quote masculine traits where I
have a good deeper voice than most women.
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I was the social constructs of like, you know, tomboy likes
growing up. And even now, like I could not
care less about like makeup or fashion that much.
Like I'll wear dresses, I'll wear like cute clothes and
stuff, but it's like, it's one of those things I don't care
about where I'm more of a guy inthat way.
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And I understand that's not a gene thing.
That's that's not like that, that's a gender thing, not a sex
thing. That's a gender thing, not a
biological sex thing, right. And so it's to me, it's just an
interesting correlation that this thing that I've know, I've,
I've know I've had like been diagnosed since 17 and something
that I've been thinking about like my autism for the past few
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years. It's like the fact that there's
like a correlation and and maybethere's a reason why.
It's just interesting, yeah. Yeah, I agree.
I think this was a great a greattopic for our first one.
Do you have anything more to like add to your own, like
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personal experience with PCOS? Do you want to talk about it or
do you want to like sort of leave it along with the autism
thing? Well, like, like I said, I, I
don't remember. I don't remember why we went.
And like, I don't like I said this was like 18 years ago.
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And so like a whole adult life age ago.
I don't over what Yeah, I do notremember why we went in because,
you know, I was still in high school and I don't remember like
what the reason was, like what symptoms I was having that made
it. I don't feel like the heavy like
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the regular periods or somethingbecause I was on birth control
and stuff to try to regulate it.And so I'm not sure if that's
what brought it or the whole like, because I do get like, you
know, chin hairs and seven, all women get like little hairs on
their face. Everything and everything is
just like I felt like I got morethan other girls.
And so and plus I was heavier. I was, I was considered morbidly
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obese at 17. And so I think that was also
probably reason. I will say I've been lucky in
the fact that I don't have, if Ihave a bunch of like cysts and
everything they don't necessarily it's like, 'cause me
pain like I don't get that sort of issue.
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Like, I haven't had like an MRI of that area in years and years
and years. So I couldn't tell you if I do.
And like, it's not something we ever looked for.
So I, I think that's it. Like it.
Like, yeah, 'cause it's like, like I said, we took Glucophage
and that just made me feel like shit.
Birth control made me feel like shit.
So I stopped taking both. And I can't say whether or not
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'cause like PCOS is also like the leading cause for women
being infertile. Couldn't tell you never tried to
have a kid so couldn't tell you if that if that makes me if that
affects me in any way 'cause it's like I don't want kids so
couldn't tell you if I this thiswould ever prevent me from
having them. Yeah, obviously I'm not
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infertile because I have two children.
Well, technically I am now 'cause I don't have a uterus or
a cervix. But I, I did have a hard time
like Jordan and I like when I was diagnosed with it, I knew he
really wanted kids and I was told it would probably be really
hard for me to have kids becauseor any any more kids because of
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how bad my ovaries had gotten, like how bad they were when we
found it. And so like, I don't know if I
ever even told you this, but like we were basically trying
like immediately. So like we knew I knew I wanted
at least another one. I knew he wanted one, so I was
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like, why not? What's another one, right?
I want one anyway, so let's go for it.
And it took, I think we tried for like a year and a half and
then maybe like a year. No, it was like 8 months.
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It was like 8 months. And then I went into the doctor,
told her what was going on. She was like, OK, that's like,
that's on the short end of like what we would consider time to
like intervene. But if you both really want a
kid, I'll just go ahead and try it.
We'll go and try this or whatever.
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And it didn't like I had to stoptaking the metformin because it
made me so sick. But it didn't take maybe like 3
or 4 more months after that and I was able to have a kid.
So it must have not been as bad as they told me it was.
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But anyway, that was my experience with it.
I did have to try the metformin for a little while, but I don't
know that it was necessarily that I was really infertile.
My most of my issue was my cysts.
I did have like technically polycystic ovaries is like they
look like little little baby bumps all over the place, but I
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would get larger ones that wouldburst and cause me a lot of
fucking pain. So that's my experience and the
weight issue. I've never been able to regulate
my weight since ever since I since I started my period.
So like which I think I was 14 when I started my period and
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yeah, never was able to regulate.
It was never regular and then I could never like keep control my
weight after that unless I starve for myself, which I don't
recommend 'cause you're out of 10.
Don't do that. Go to the doctor.
Don't, don't do that. But anyway, yeah, that's that's
kind of my my little experience.Do as I say, not as I do, OK?
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I still have my ovaries. When I did the hysterectomy, we
elected to keep them because I'mstill fairly young and I didn't
want to be. Pushed into menopause
immediately. You know, had there been
something like seriously medically necessary for them to
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come out? Obviously take them out.
I don't get fucked. But my OBGYN did not seem to
believe that there would be an issue leaving them so and I
trusted him wholeheartedly. So I still have mine and I get,
you know, I hurt everyone smile.But ever since that damn uterus
went away, man, life's been great.
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Listen, I'm thankful for it because my two children grew in
it and that's great. But it has been so nice not
having a uterus. They're just a problem when they
don't work right, OK. When they do not work right,
they are an issue for your life.If you're not a uterus haver,
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Please note that they are not all they're cracked up to be.
Breaking news when breaking news.
When organs don't work right, itsucks.
Who thought? Who thought I've had an
experience with the two organ systems now having to leave my
buddy. So yeah, they're they're not
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great when they stop functioningproperly.
So anyway, I think that's all wegot on that then, yeah.
Yeah, so I think that that was my contribution to to this.
Like I said, it's, it's still like kind of like up in the air.
It's it's interesting that it's like not necessarily like it's a
comorbidity, like how like, you know, depression, anxiety, all
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that. But it's just interesting that
there's a link. Yeah, I think this was a great
topic. I think you did so well.
By the way, I didn't know what she was doing until we sat down.
So which I think it's getting cool.
It's like a surprise. I had mine.
I have mine listed in there. Maybe I'll take them out and
we'll. Just surprise each other each
week. I don't.
I haven't looked at it so. OK, don't look and I'll take it
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out. Yeah, 'cause I just, I literally
right before we sat down, like right before we record.
Yeah, right before we record. I just like copy pasted the
links into the into the thing and then I was like OK here we
go. All right, it's out.
It's gone. It's almost like a surprise
surprise bitch. Here's topic.
Yeah, so we get we surprised each other, which is cool.
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All right, cool. Well I I was able to find all
those links so thank you for that.
Yes. We will make sure they're in the
show notes. Actually, I was constructing the
show notes while she was talkingjust because I tend to forget to
put the links in. So I'm like if I don't do just
run me out, forget 'cause I haveto get this put up.
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And did you want to give a shoutout now or in the fun and
fuckery? Let's do it now, just in case
people don't follow us after thefollowing fun and fuckery.
So we want to say a big super duper loud and happy birthday to
Micah. Yes, friend of the show, friend
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in real life. And we are happy to have them in
our lives. We met them through their
partner Ray, who was listening to the show, and we've just
connected and hit it off and we do regular Hangouts now, even
though they live in Denmark. Discord's a wonderful thing.
(43:25):
So we get to we're doing hangoutand play games.
And we're doing one this Friday,so.
Yeah, we're doing one Friday andwe we really enjoy connecting
with them. They're become really good
friends. And so, yeah, happy birthday,
Micah. Happy birthday.
All the love. We hope that it's a wonderful
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day. Yeah.
Millennial heart. Yeah, Millennial heart.
You do all the all the nothing if that's what you want to do.
And eat all of your favorite snacks.
Yes, For us, you do all your favorite.
I'm sure there's better snacks there, less healthier snacks
(44:08):
there. Less poisonous ones.
Yeah, apparently less poisonous ones.
Anyway, happy happy birthday to Micah.
If you comment on things, drop acomment.
You can comment on Spotify now. I don't know if people know
that. Drop a comment.
Happy birthday Micah in Spotify.Yeah, or on our Facebook or it
just. Yeah, or on our Facebook.
(44:29):
Yeah, anywhere that you can findus.
We're trying to be over on Facebook now.
I'll do a I'll probably do a post over there too on the day
so anyone can say happy birthday.
Birthday, Micah. We would really love that.
Happy birthday, Micah. All right, so let's hit the
phone in fuckery. Now we have a proper Jeremy
(44:49):
update and a mad Lib, so double.Double whammy today.
Yeah, so stick around if you want to hear that.
Here we go. Blasted all my mouse died.
(45:18):
Here we are. We're here, we made it to the
other side with a dead mouse. So anyway, let's start with the
Jeremy update and we'll end on the mad Lib.
Sound like fun? Sure it sounds like fuckery, so
it sounds like fuckery. All right, so listen, I got a
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lot wrong on the 4th. And properly, she had to
properly get everything situatedso she could, you know, get give
a good update for everything. Yeah, and I got some things
wrong also. I decided to shake the Etch A
Sketch and start over. I acquired some additional
(46:03):
things for The Sims and I wantedto sort of retool the houses and
the characters. And I'm like, instead of just
doing that and bulldozing shit, I'm just going to start the fuck
over. So I started everyone over from
scratch. So this is what we have for you.
The many sensational adventures of the Fellowship of Jerry the
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Fellowship and. Just, you know, just add more
colons and dashes and we'll get the entire title in there
somehow. It would only be right.
You know what I mean? It would only be right.
So OK, we're going to start withJeremy.
If anyone cares, we can probablymake these character sheets like
available to to look at if anyone cares.
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But we can get into that later. So Jeremy Gray is his name.
We decided that because Jeremy was just the psychic cat in the
story, he never had a last name,that when him and Velvet got
married, he took Velvet's last name because Velvet, if you can
remember, was from the House of Grey, right?
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So her last name was Grey. So he's now Jeremy Grey.
How progressive. We love to see it, he.
We love to be a male feminist. Yeah, so kind of the layout of
the character sheet, we did character partner, sexuality,
children, career aspiration, traits, storyline notes and
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skills. So the skills are not fully done
for them because I just sort of cheat every one of them and Max
them all out. So just assume that at some
point they're going to have all the skills they're supposed to
have. So we decided Jeremy is a
straight white man, straight white ginger.
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He was a red orange cat in the thing.
So he is straight white male. They have so many fucking kids.
So do you fucking? They're kind of horn dogs, you
know? Yeah, that is, they don't stop,
man. They don't ever stop.
And it's, let's just say their oldest walked in on them at one
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point and it was not cute. It was not cute.
I did not know like, cuz the wayI had the house set up, it was
really difficult to like keep track of everyone in the house.
And they went off to do their thing and I wasn't paying
attention. And the next thing I know, I get
this pop up on the screen where it's like Limerick is mortified.
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She walked in and saw something she wasn't supposed to see.
And I was like, oh shit, it's a kid, Not a kid walking in on him
in a fucking game. But anyway.
So yeah, children between him and Velvet.
Are Limerick now, OK, let me back up.
All these children are named after fabrics because velvet is
a fabric. So we gotta do, we gotta do the
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stair table. Like millennials naming their
children awful things like, right, that's like a like a,
that's like a thing like melialsand Gen.
Z are naming their children really stupid things.
So we we had to kind of like go with that.
Right. So all these kids are named
after fabric. OK, so we have the oldest, who's
now a teenager, which is Limerick Lace.
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We have suede, which is I guess whatever child is characterized
in the game Zephyr, who is a toddler.
And then we have the triplets. So we have one boy and two
girls, so they're not identical because there's a pee pee in
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amongst the vaginas. So they can't be identical.
OK, people get that mixed up a lot, I've heard.
So we can't have identical men. 'S that are a boy and a girl?
That doesn't make sense. How can they be identical then?
Right, right. They couldn't have come from the
same place, same uterus, but notthe same egg.
Anyway, so Denim is the boy, Jersey is one of the girls, and
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Linen is one of the girls. So we have 3 girls, 3 boys,
solid split. OK I don't know why I did this.
Not going to lie the fucking triplets are ridiculous.
Why I thought this was a good idea instead of just letting
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them have one at a fucking time and let them get to like kid age
before I let them have another one is batshit bananas with me
because I was trying to like actually them.
And none of one baby would go tosleep and the next one would
wake up and fucking scream. And then Jeremy would be off
fucking off doing something and I'd have to call the oldest kid
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in there and parentify her and be like, come fix this fucking
child. And then I'd have one on my back
screaming and one in the bed screaming and I'm like Jesus H
cat dancing Christ, what did I do?
To myself like so kudos to any any parents of multiples, you
know. Right.
So listen, this is real Sims is real life, OK?
Because I can only imagine that that's what it's like to have
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triplets. I had two, two kids that were a
toddler and a baby at one time. And I was like, Nope, I can't.
I'm done. Thank you.
I've I've had enough just playing a game where you have to
take care of three. Infants.
A game. You can pause by the way, a
game. You can pause.
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And she needs like. You could you could age the kids
up at any time you want. I'm gonna, I'm gonna have to,
but I'm trying not to, like, push this along too far.
I want to, like, drag it out some.
But I might fucking do. I don't know.
I think I might have to. I can't handle this.
I get the babies are too much. It's too much.
It's cute when there's one, whenthere's three at once, that's
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not cute anymore. Anyway, moving on, Jeremy has
retired from adventuring. OK, he is a writer now.
So he is like best selling author, New York Times
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bestseller. He's he's making the fat cash
selling his stories and what arethey called?
The Chronicles of Jeremy, right.So he now writes and sells the
Chronicles of Jeremy, detailing all the crazy adventures of him
and his four friends depicted though not as humans but as
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animals, because that's the original lore.
So now you have a human. Yes.
I'm sure it's it's it'll it's it's coming.
OK. So his aspiration is big happy
family. OK.
He wants that. He's achieved it.
God bless him, he's achieved it.He has stayed.
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Keeping her knocked up. OK.
Yeah, They are fertile. They are they?
Yeah, fertile. Listen, they were cats in the
original story. So I was thinking a good litter,
right? And then they're done.
I'm gonna turn off their baby makers.
They can't do it no more. I draw the line at six.
We're done. No more kids.
I'm turning their baby makers off.
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So close her legs. OK, she's like no more.
Close the factory, she ain't closing her legs.
Yeah, she's she's making him geta vasectomy.
He's getting a vasectomy. Yeah, yeah, we're turning his
baby maker off. So anyway, there in this version
on the of The Sims that I have, I have like the the magical one
of the magical ones so you can pick in a cult for them.
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And I was like, duh, I'm going to do that because original
storyline. Hello, so Jeremy's a spellcaster
so he can do the magic in this? Story I think he's like a
crystal ball because he was a psychic cat.
I think there is a crystal ball that you can get.
Oh shit, I need to find it. OK, I'll have to find it.
Put it in the world. So, spellcaster.
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He uses this magic to help persuade folks to read his shit.
He uses it to his advantage. OK, he's a crafty little shit.
He's. Basically he's basically better
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Lockhart from Harry Potter. This the teacher, the second
from the second movie Defense Against Dark Arts teacher that
like, yes, he, he didn't like, he, he stole a lot of people's
stories and like Jeremy's not stealing his stories.
He's just making people read hisbooks.
Right, right. OK, so that's Jeremy.
OK, Velvet. We'll move on to Velvet next
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'cause I have to discuss the kiddynamic.
So in this storyline Velvet is avampire OK because when I
originally made her character I was thinking black cat.
She's a goth OK and let's just be real I want to be her OK?
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I want to be. She is life goals.
She's like the person that I wish I could be.
Every single day in my life is how I created Velvet.
So she's bi which hello again creating her after me.
So here we are, same kids exceptfor not in this document because
I forgot to change it. Same kids as obviously Jeremy
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because they belong to them and she decided to be a stay at home
mom. She's also retired from
adventuring. She don't want no part of it no
more. She's tired, but she's tired OK.
She's been drug all around the world by the glamour Guild and
she's had about enough. She just wants to be home, pop
out a million kids and enjoy herfamily.
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OK, so that's what she's doing. So her aspiration is super
parent, OK, And boy, she is doing it OK.
Her traits are, oh, I forgot to tell you Jeremy's traits, but
her traits are romantically reserved because if you
remember, she wanted Jack shit to do with Jeremy at the
beginning, adventurous, family oriented.
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And then I put vampire for her occult.
OK, so quickly the kid dynamic. All right, so because Jeremy's a
spellcaster and Velvet's a vampire, we have to somehow
represent this in the children. OK, so.
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I feel like I decided be a vampire because that sounds like
a vampire name. Just wait, girl, you're going to
be happy about it, I decided. All the boys in their line are
vampires and all the girls are spellcasters.
OK, so Limerick is a spellcasterand Jersey and Linen are all
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spellcasters. All the girls have are are
gingers. Well, no, I think.
No, I didn't. I decided not to do that.
Never mind. They're not gingers.
Ignore that. Anyway, so all the girls are
spellcasters. The reason why I picked all the
girls to be the spellcasters is because in like the witchy lore,
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OK, multiples are like seen as super powerful, especially
identical twins right and acolyte right like the acolyte
thing right so. Like the TN which is mowry
twitchy. Right.
So listen, it's it's a thing in witchy lore that multiples are
super strong. So the the girls are
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spellcasters and then the boys are all vampires.
So I just think it was fun to like split it.
Up it's basically like I I know you haven't seen it, but there's
this one show and book series called Discovery of Witches, and
the girl in the show is a witch and the guy is a vampire.
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Cool, I need to watch this now. It's, it's it's on Netflix.
I think I can give you my login.I mean, I have Netflix,
actually. Yeah.
But yeah, 'cause it was on like some other like random streaming
service. But then they put all the
seasons on Netflix and it's so good.
I watched all three seasons. OK.
(58:44):
Yeah, I'm down for it. All right, moving on.
Trying to go in after the JeremyVelvet situation because
obviously Velvet showed up last,but they're linked, so I had to
explain it. Moving on, Sympathy.
Do you want to like, tease just Jeremy and Velvet for this one
and then talk about the other ones in another fun fuckery?
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Or do you want to do all of themnow?
Oh, I don't know. Yeah, let's do that.
Let's split them up. Yeah, let's split them up.
That's a good idea. OK, so one more note on the Gray
family. They you can only have eight
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people in a house in Sims. OK, so I had to figure out how
to get an extra person in this house.
So I figured out that you can create rental units inside a
house. So I made a rental room inside
the house and I plugged in QueenViolet Velvet's mom So.
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She's like Queen Violet was her her mother in law's suite.
Yes, so Queen Violet has her ownroom with her own bathroom and a
beautiful bed and she is gave her the career of like
babysitter, but then maxed her all the way out to like daycare
admin or whatever so that she would be happy about it made her
like kid oriented like I sculpted her character to be
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like kid oriented and then. I made all of the rooms in the
house shared rooms except for Jeremy and Velvet's room and
Limerick's room so that she'll be able to go in like the kids
rooms and like help with the kids.
And so far it's working. She will show up randomly and
just start picking up kids and doing things with them and
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cleaning floors and whatevers. So we love Queen Velvet.
Thank you for that. Because I think Violet would
probably shave all her hair off if she didn't have her mom there
helping her. So that's their story right now.
The triplets are still infants. Remember, we have a toddler.
Zephyr suedes the child age and then Limerick Lace.
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Their oldest is a teenager now. So that's Jeremy and Velvet and
all of their children. And we will next.
Next time we will get into sympathy because we have a mad
Lib to do. Yes.
And. I'm the inky and pinnegan and
whatever. Yeah, and spoiler alert, Ray and
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Micah will be entering the chat.OK, we are bringing the pirates
in. If you remember, if you remember
the pirates from like the last episode, we're bringing them in.
OK, the Liberators are coming and yeah, it's going to be fun
time. Let's move on.
You want words? See them?
You can't see them, but she showed me pictures of them and
(01:01:43):
they all look very cool. Yeah, I'm going to figure out a
way we're eventually going to like stream this at some point.
I think it working into it or ifyou guys actually want to see
it, we'll. Just like Funny Friday sometimes
like shows her SIM world and stuff.
So yeah, we'll make it a thing at some point, all right?
You want words? Yeah.
Yeah, So if you don't guys don'tknow, we got a new mad Lib.
(01:02:05):
It's been a while, but we pickedone.
It's called. Unicorn.
It's been a while. Called unicorns, mermaids and
Mad libs. So we figured since we're kind
of getting back into the Jeremy thing and sympathies are like,
like, you know, the whole fantasy stuff that we kind of
get into that. OK, so from you I need an
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adjective. Dark.
Dark. It was a dark and stormy night.
A couple of these are Choose your own adventure, just
whatever makes more sense. So plural noun Greek tragedies.
If it doesn't make sense, let meknow.
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I like it. It's it it, it gets the whole
like there are two wolves insideof you type of thing.
Plural noun. Fucky eyes, which is what I call
my eye condition. Fucky eyes color hot pink, which
is the color of the pen I used to fill this out.
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Number. 19 There's no reason. There's no reason, just a number
verb. OK, this is a choose your own
adventure. You can choose cram like cram it
in there or stuff like stuff it in there, whatever makes more
sense or is funnier. I'm gonna do pry if that makes
(01:03:39):
cause like it's kind of like similar because it's basically
it's asking for the opposite of those words.
So. Oh fine, done, done deal.
Type of liquid, the blood. Of your enemies.
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More of my enemies, whatever makes more sense.
Adjective. Alluring plural noun
townspeople. Actually, this kind of makes
kind of makes sense Number. OK.
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Either half of 1% or .5%, whatever you want to say,
whatever sounds better. Not percent.
It's asking for the amount of degrees.
So half a degree I think sure, because half a percent of 1,
like half a percent of a degree I guess is really makes sense
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adjective. Bulbas.
Bulbasaur Noun. King Charles, because you
mentioned it the other day. Yeah, silly word.
Giggle shits. That's when you can't stop
(01:05:17):
laughing while looking at memes on your phone, on the toilet.
Place a place. Applebee's eating good in the
neighborhood. They closed ours too.
There's nobody goes there anymore.
Ours is still around, I think, but I mean they've closed a
bunch of other places. Adjective.
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Festering noun. Hell.
Verb ending and ING. You already know what it is.
Yeah, y'all know what we do I. Love that our first one back has
a fucking in it. Yes, perfect.
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And then part of the body. Plural.
Tits. Tits.
OK. Now let's see how terrible this
is 'cause mine are always awful.OK, this is No, they're not.
This is how to hatch a dragon egg.
While most eggs need dark love and care for the Greek tragedies
inside to survive, Dragon Age thrive on danger.
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In fact, the funky eyes of hot pink Dragons require a 19 foot
drop in order to pry open eggs of the blood of your enemies.
Dragons depend on a luring lava from underwater townspeople to
heat the shells to temperatures of half a degree or more.
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Only then can the bulbous dragonettes inside finally
hatch. But the King Charles of the
Skies, the giggle shit dragon ofApple Peas.
I can't. The fuck?
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Sorry, Your Majesty or Your Highness or whatever, Your
honorific. Is why that wouldn't break me
'cause he's giggle shit. But the King Charles of the
Skies, the giggle shit dragon ofApplebee's, is the most
festering hell layer of them all.
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They have been spotted fucking into the tits of hungry
predators hoping to be swallowed.
Oh God, Oh no. Once they hatch, they cause
quite a bellyache. The end.
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Best when I've done it a lot. I'm glad I didn't really read it
because I didn't really like. I just I read like the word
right after it, but I didn't read the sentence in context
until then. I'm crying.
Oh it's so good thinking Charles a
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disguise. Shit.
The giggle shit dragon of Applebee's.
Giggle. Shit dragon of me.
Sweet, that hurts. Now she has a bellyache.
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Oh my God, I got the brain pain pooch.
Oh shit, I'm going to have to hit the brain pain.
Oh God. Ow.
Oh fucking hell, that was good. Oh my God.
OK, that was, that was the. Best.
I don't. I don't.
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We topped that right out the gate.
Yeah. Is it like, is it downhill from
here? Oh my God.
I fucking hope now. I hope this is just
foreshadowing of what's to come.Us busting fucking veins lacking
this shit. Oh, my God.
I fucked my eyebrows up. Oh, watch all my eyebrows off.
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God. OK, all right, well, I think we
did that. It's all for.
It's all for now, folks. We let's hit a Tenzin.
Julie, you can't. Oh, shit.
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Yeah. Julie, do the thing.
I'm afraid there are no more things to do.
That's right, we're done. Like Jilly said, there's no more
things to do with me to go finish taking the rest of my
eyebrows off and eat some spaghetti because I'm fucking
hungry, but OK. We love you guys.
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mark. And they're like, Oh my God,
this just stayed gone. This just stayed gone.
Good to be back. That was the best right out the
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Goodbye.
Hi, Minder. Hi, Nikki.
We're back again, as promised, the day before this goes live.
Like like 7:00 PM the day beforebecause we were supposed to do
it earlier today. But I told Nikki I'm like, I
just, I can't. I don't want to.
(00:38):
It's fine. I just the executive function is
not existent for me right now and I I told her I watched I
watched Thunderbolt yesterday and I won't spoil anything but
legislators like extinuating circumstances that the like.
I was very surprised that this movie made me cry.
(01:01):
It was a very good movie, but there's just a scene in it that
I'm like, oh, this hit me hard. No, me gusta.
I don't want to feel these feelings right now.
So that's where I'm at. So anyways, hi, we're a podcast.
Oh, wait, your your volume, your.
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Audio's not there anymore 'causeI muted myself.
Well, there you go. Trying to go right into my
intro. My mic's muted.
That's all right. Fuck it.
It's live. We're keeping it in.
We're doing it live. Anyway, yes, we are a podcast
and we are our two narrow, divergent best friends.
Naveling, naveling, naveling. Man, see, we're with it today.
(01:47):
It's. Traveling neuro first together
you're trying. Navigating and traveling at the
same time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because we're living in a neurotypical world.
We are not neurotypical girls. OK, We got that out.
Who needs a Take 2? Not us.
Not us. Hold on.
(02:10):
I have to tell my husband to tell my kid to stop jumping
around in my living room becauseI will absolutely hear it on the
mic. No matter what I do in this
room, I will hear it on the mic.No longer recliner recording
because my hips can't handle it anymore.
My hips don't lie and they're telling me it's time to get the
fuck out the recliner. So that's where we're at.
(02:31):
We're back in the office. You guys are like, we're not
lying, we're screaming, OK, yes,OK.
Sorry, we're smiling. Just finish that text.
OK? So anyway, hi, we're here.
It is Amanda's turn to talk at us and teach us some things
(02:57):
today. So without further ado, people
collectively who speak French, screaming at their whatever's
right now that is around them telling us to stop being stupid.
What are we talking about? So, OK, so basically what we
(03:20):
discussed last episode or may the fourth be with you episode
that we're kind of going along aschedule.
And so we're starting with like we're like like every week is
going to be kind of like a different type of episode.
So for this week we're doing a comorbidities and I could have
(03:42):
gone, I won't say the easy routeof like picking like depression
or anxiety because like we'll probably get, we'll probably
touch on it at some point. But we've already kind of talked
about it before. Basically we're trying to get
into comorbidities of like neurodivergency for in our
(04:02):
experience that would be like autism and ADHD.
And so I thought of, I want to see if there's a link between
either autism or ADHD and PCOS, which is polycystic ovarian
syndrome, which I was diagnosed with it at 17.
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And you were diagnosed with it right as well, right?
Yeah, I was. Mine was later.
Mine was 20. No, no, because it was after
Nick was born, so I was 20. It was right when I was first
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with Jordan. I've been like 24, about 24 when
I was diagnosed. Yeah, so basically I don't
remember what kind of why this POTS in my head it just it's I
think it's because it's like it's something that we both have
and then we're both diagnosed ADHD and both like self
diagnosed autistic. So I wanted to see if there was
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just a link or if it's just likea coincidence.
And actually there are some studies and articles saying that
there actually might be a link. Like both with women with autism
and or ADHD have a higher chanceof having PCOS or when with PCOS
have a higher chance of being autistic, that type of thing.
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Or. Like like a couple of the
studies I saw were mothers with PCOS have a higher chance of
having a child with autism or ADand or ADHD.
Really. Yeah.
And so it kind of explains it. It was kind of interesting.
And I won't, I have like 4 linksthat I sent to Nikki and I kind
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of took out the nitty gritty, like very dry like talk about it
because a lot of it's like just numbers and you know, scientific
terms that I have no business discussing and I wouldn't be
able to talk about verbatim. I may have done well in science,
(06:15):
but scientific studies are not my my strong suit, you know?
And. So I kind of, well, I kind of
just took like the the abstracts, like brief, the brief
talks about the studies and likethe conclusions of the studies.
And I will say like there's one article that I wanted to include
that kind of talks about like references the study, like the
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main study I was looking at. And even then, like the article
was like, well, it's still like kind of unclear.
So we're not, I'm not saying this is like a direct, like like
a like a for sure comorbidity. It's just I found it interesting
that they did. There have been studies that
show that women with PCOS, basically you have like women
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with PCOS have a higher chance of being autistic than women
without PCOS. So.
Interesting. Yeah.
And so it's, and once you read about it, it's like, it's like,
oh, that kind of makes sense. So if you don't know what PCOS
is, like I said, it's polycysticovarian syndrome.
It's a health condition. And I'm reading this from the
one like this one article that is kind of like on the fence of
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what this could be, which is autismparentingmagazine.com.
And they explain that health condition PCOS is a health
condition that affects a woman'shormonal levels.
The condition, which effects millions of women of
reproductive age is also sometimes referred to as Stein.
Leventhal syndrome is characterized by the ovaries
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producing an abnormal amount of hormones related to male
reproductive health and traits referred to as androgens.
The name polycystic ovarian syndrome originally came about
to describe small cysts in the ovaries, but it's now realized
that polycystic ovaries actuallyhave a high follicle number with
the follicles resembling cysts. So basically like I said, this
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is something I was diagnosed with at 17.
I originally I was taking medicine for it.
I think it was called like Glucophage, which I think is
also use to treat. I want to say we used to treat
diabetes. I want to say like it's it's
been years since I've taken it. You know, it's it's I'm.
Sure to give you that. Or metformin.
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They gave me metformin at first.Yeah, and so I personally don't
have diabetes. I'm not even pre diabetic, you
know, at this point in time, as far as I'm aware, I've never had
issues with sugar levels. So I think at the time, like I
stopped taking it not that long after they prescribed it me
'cause it did not make me feel good, 'cause I think they kind
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of just not necessarily assume that like when with PCOS have
diabetes, but I think because it's used to also treat
diabetes, it did not make me feel good.
Like it just lowered my my glucose levels way too low and
it just made me feel like shit basically.
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Yeah, I actually. Went to the hospital for that.
Yeah, my blood. Sugar got too low.
Yeah, and so 'cause I get it from my mom, my mom also has has
low blood sugar. I don't think she has PCOS.
She has lupus, which is genetic.And so I could possibly have
lupus, but I've never been tested for it.
But anyway, so in terms of like the research and link between
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PCOS and autism, this is still from that
autismparentingmagazine.com. It said going by the results of
AUK based study called Cherskov ET al from 2018, which I will
mention which I'll go further into into from another article
like from nature.com, it seems that there is indeed association
(10:02):
between PCOS and autism. The study found autistic women
in the UK have an almost twofoldincrease in the risk for PCOS.
The study also found that women with PCOS had a 35% greater
chance of having first born children with autism.
So I and. Oh damn.
I know. So, OK, so to get I didn't
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really take much more out of that article.
They kind of just their whole thing was like, I don't think
that they were taking it as likea like, well, that's we're not
taking this as like a, that one correlates the other.
Basically like they have one section that says reading
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between the links. It said when summarizing current
research, the evidence strongly suggests the link between PCOS
and autism when the PCOS from likely have an assisted child
and they're most more likely to have autism spectrum disorder.
But it said, lastly, it's vital to note the conclusion of the
study mentioned above. The authors emphasize that the
study findings are suggestive ofthe fact that autism children,
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women with PCOS is still very rare.
And that like, it's, it's not saying like PCOS causes autism,
it's just kind of like a correlation between the two.
So that's kind of like where I'mgetting at from the bit of
research that I did. And so this is kind of like a
learn along with me type of thing.
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But one I told Nikki, I said I kind of just don't want to seem
like I'm bumbling through the articles.
I wanted to be like one step above the learn along with me
that we sometimes do. So to get further into that
Cherskov study. And I don't know if I'm
pronouncing that right, it's CHERSKOV.
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Cherskov or Cherskov. I found this on nature.com.
Basically the the concept is elevated levels of prenatal
testosterone may increase the risk for autism spectrum just
conditions or autism. Given that PCOS is also
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associated with elevated prenatal testosterone and its
precursor sex steroids, A hypothesis from the prenatal sex
steroid theory is that women with PCOS should have elevated
autistic traits and a higher rate of autism among their
children. They used electronic health
records obtained from the Clinical practice Research Data
Link, or CPRD, in the UK between1990 and 2014 and conducted 3
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case controlled studies. So basically they're trying to
find a link like they, they think that the link between like
autism and PCOS is the like elevated testosterone seen in
both, which also might explain why like, you know how it's just
(12:58):
a tried and true statement of boys are always going to be more
diagnosed with autism than girls.
Like it's just like they're they, they try to like it's you,
you see, boys are more likely todiagnose like with autism
because they just tend to look for it more in boys.
And I'm wondering if it's, that's the like testosterone
link. So the introduction was that
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PCOS is defined by hyper androgenism with ovulatory
dysfunction and or ovarian cysts.
The independent association of prenatal androgens with PCOS
suggests predictions from the prenatal sex toy theory of
autism when with PCOS should have a higher rate of autistic
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traits and a higher rate of autism among their children
basically. And, and they said they're they
fall in two categories. Those that investigated these
traits move with autism and those that investigate autistic
traits move with PCOS. In the first category, self
report of reproductive and sex toy related symptoms suggests an
increase of these symptoms with autism.
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And women with autism also have increased levels of
androstitinidione, which is an adrenal and androgen.
See, like I said, not a scientist, but it's OK.
Yes. And in the second category, when
would PCOS score higher on measures of autistic traits?
As do their daughters, but not their sons.
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A recent population study in Sweden found a specifically
increased risk of autism in children with mothers of from
mothers with PCOS. So basically, so they did three
studies. So like study one, they examined
the risk of PCOS and women with autism care to those without
autism and they found that a specifically higher percentage
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of women with autism were diagnosed with PCOS than the
controls. So basically they well before I
get into like, OK, so basically they took like 40 women, I think
40 women that were diagnosed with PCOS and like had them take
the like autism quotient test and then they had 40 women not
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diagnosed that PCO. Like they don't have any like
issues related to PCOS and also had them take the autism
quotient test. So that's that's where the study
come from. So like, like I said, study one,
they found that when with autism, we're also more likely
to have any of the three core clinical signs or symptoms of
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PCOS and diabetes is more prevalent in the autism group
compared to with the controls, as was depression, anxiety and
schizophrenia related conditions.
Then study 2, they examined the risk of autism in women with
PCOS compared to those without PCOS.
Autism was almost 2 times more prevalent in PCOS cases than in
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the controls. Compared with controls, PCOS
cases also had an increased prevalence of diabetes and
obesity, and they're likely to have depression, anxiety and
schizophrenia related conditionswhich persisted with adjustment
for comorbid psychiatric conditions.
Adjustment for these conditions in the model attenuated the
increased odds for autism in PCOS cases, although the trend
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was still present. And in the final study, they
examined the risk of autism in first born children of mothers
with PCOS compared to first bornchildren and mothers without
PCOS. And then in the non adjusted
model, mothers with PCOS had higher odds of having a child
with autism then then did the controls.
So which I found like interesting.
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So obviously it's, we still don't know for sure like where
autism comes from. And like I said, this is not
saying that PCOS causes autism because you can have autism
without having PTOPCOS and vice versa.
It's more of the how the like the hormones, how like can
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affect the rate of autism in someone, right?
So what? What do you think about that?
I think it's very fucking interesting considering I am a
woman who was diagnosed with PCOS and have a first born son
who's autistic and also a secondborn son who's autistic and then
later found out I was also autistic.
So there's that. But again, we definitely just
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want to stress correlation does not equal causation here.
And I don't even think these scientific studies are saying
that. They're saying research is still
out. Like the jury's still out on
this. We're still, this is still very
new studies, but it sounds to melike it has something to do
with, like you said, the hormones and the way that those
can interact with the body during development and all that
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good shit, good shit. But maybe the quality or the
type of, you know, egg that drops, like, I don't know if
there's a correlation between the quality of eggs that someone
with PCOS produces versus someone who does not have PCOS
or if that has anything to do with it.
Or if those eggs are geneticallydifferent somehow because of
that condition. But that's why I think further
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study would have definitely be done because there's you'd have
to take it even deeper. Do you know what I mean?
Like down to like, what was the condition of the mother's, you
know, reproductive health at that time?
Yeah, yeah, I guess it the studies definitely get further
into that. Like they explain more like they
took the 40 women to break between the ages of 18 and 35.
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Like I said, they screen them for different traits and health
issues. And so I'd like I didn't want to
get like 2 nitty gritty and I do.
I will talk more about it. Don't actually now that I look
at it, I'm sorry. The 40 women part, which was not
part of that study, it was part of another study which I have on
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another article. I think I was combining the two.
I don't, I don't remember how many they were, what the control
was for the UK study, but there was like another study in Turkey
where they took 40 women betweenthe ages of 1835 with PCOS and
40 women without PCOS and like compared them, which to be fair,
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like 40 is a small sample size, but it's just an interesting
like sample group. And that that UK study I found
also mentioned in this one website, itslikecardiff.ac.uk.
And it was, I don't have much from that article, just kind of
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like backing up, just saying that kind of bring in the ADHD
thing. It says like women with PCOS are
prone to mental health disordersand their children face an
increased risk developing ADHD and autism spectrum disorder.
And according to a new study by research at Cardiff University's
Neuroscience and Mental Health Research Institute.
So just kind of backing up that other study in the UK, it's a
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children born to mothers with PCOS were also found to be at
greater risk of developing ADHD and, and autism.
And these findings, just women with PCOS, should be screened.
For mental health disorders to ensure early diagnosis of
treatment and ultimately improvetheir quality of life.
So it's just kind of bringing that into it.
But I'm glad the consensus was in order to improve their
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quality of life instead. Of in order to put them in a
database. Right, or, or to put them in a,
in a like a mental institute, right?
Like right, Because back in the day they were just lobotomized
them, right? Like that woman is sad.
We'll just cut out part of her brain and they'll make her feel
better, right? Right.
Oh my gosh. And so there was another one.
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This is from sciencedirect.com. This is from 2012.
And so I think you can kind of tell by kind of like the
language that they use. But so like OK, so to start off,
they say like autism spectrum conditions, ASC, I'm just going
to call it autism is characterized by impairments in
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reciprocal social interaction, verbal and non verbal
communication, imaginative play,and by strong repetitive
behavior and narrow interests with more males than females
receiving diagnosis. The androgen theory of autism
proposes that ASC are in part due to elevated fetal
testosterone levels, which are inversely correlated with social
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language development and positively correlated with
autism related behaviors. It says there's evidence that
females with autism and females with PCOS are hyper masculine
and less feminized in several aspects of behavior and
cognition. A recent study found that girls
with autism did not show the female typical play preferences,
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and women with autism reported higher rates of tomboyism in
childhood. Women with PCOS also reported
less feminine childhood behaviorand less gender typical
behavior. Additionally, females with
autism tend to display a hypermasculine profile on many
cognitive tasks, and women with PCOS demonstrated worst
performance on female favoring cognitive tasks than the healthy
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women quote UN quote healthy women.
Right that. Seems like it's a little bit.
Yeah, I'm like, that's why I'm like, that's why I wanted to
point out like this is from 2012.
Just want to point this out. We we both know and I think a
lover listener knows that like there's a lot of social
constructs when it comes to likewhen you call a girl a tomboy,
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like just because a girl likes to climb trees or play with
trucks, then she's a tomboy instead of just a child playing
or like saying a boy playing with dolls is being feminine.
It's like, or he's just a boy playing with a human, like a
representation of a human figureand possibly maybe showing signs
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that you might be a good father,you know, who knows?
But so that's why I want to point out the the date of the
article. Yeah, definitely sounds its age.
We'll put. It So basically in this present
study they compared the artistictraits in women with PCOS and
healthy controls. So 41 with PCOS and 41 without
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it. Since prenatal androgens were
implicated in the genesis of PCOS and association between
fetal testosterone autistic traits was suggested, they
predicted that women with PCOS would have more autistic traits
than typical women. So basically their study
procedure was they took 40 womenbetween the ages of 1835 with
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PCOS and recruited them from theDepartment of Obstetrics and
Gynecology, Miram Faculty of Medicine in Konya, Turkey.
PCOS diagnosis was based on the Rotterdam diagnosis criteria.
So they were officially like medically diagnosed with this.
For comparison, they took 40 healthy age and BMI matched
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women between the ages of 1835 who had regular menses, and they
were recruited from the general population.
Women with a history of irregular menstrual cycles, acne
or excessive hair growth, or those using oral contraceptives
were excluded. So they just wanted no chance
that these women, like, could have PCOS.
So they kind of just took all the symptoms, like you can't
have these symptoms. The control group.
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Yeah. So, yeah, all other inclusion
and exclusion criteria for the PCOS group were also applied to
the selection of the control group.
So before they entered the study, a physical examination
was performed by the same physician on all women in the
Faculty of Medicine. Weight and height were measured
and BMI was calculated. All participants were then
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invited to complete the Autism Spectrum quotient.
So in conclusion, the study found that women with PCOS had
an increased number of autistic traits, together with the
evidence that prenatal androgen levels are socioreatistic traits
and that higher rates of PCOS and other androgen related
conditions are reported. Women with autism Their new
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finding confirms that prenatal exposure to high levels of
androgen may be involved in development of autism.
Further studies are needed to investigate the association
between PCOS and autism. So basically they're like, well,
these women with these like higher levels of testosterone
also like just had increased risk of autism connection maybe
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possibly, right And. Which I mean, it's a good road
to explore, right? Like, I think especially if we
apply that to today's climate where there seems to be a lot of
focus, which we're not getting into in this episode, but
there's a lot of focus on the autistic community right now.
And I feel an incorrect direction, but I think the
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misconception of of the general consensus in the community that
is against the kind of things that are going on right now is
that we are against the researchaspect of it or that we are
against finding out why it happens.
I don't think that's the case, or at least it's not for me.
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I think any amount of research and development in being able to
understand autism better than being able to give people who
are autistic better quality of life, better resources, better
care, more understanding is nothing but good, right?
(26:40):
Like you can't get any bad from that.
Like the search for knowledge for those reasons cannot come up
with bad intentions and it just can't right?
Like, but when you're approaching it from the aspect
of this is a disease to be cured, then we have problems,
(27:02):
right? Like I don't want to hear your
research about it being a disease to be cured.
I don't. And I think the way that these
studies come out and say like, hey, this seems to be a
correlation that we are seeing, right?
There's this seems to be a common occurrence.
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It's to me seems to be pointing back towards the genetic route,
right? Like you are Born This Way.
There's not something you can catch.
You can't catch the tism, right?But you're Born This Way.
And then it's like, OK, well, what if we could just get the
world to agree on that, right? Then we can dig deeper into, OK,
(27:45):
what, what is there? Is there an actual gene that
causes this? Is there, this is there that,
you know, like what things couldwe possibly be doing to improve
our health and Wellness? And the quality of life for
people in this community who allare already here and for those
(28:06):
who will come into the world autistic in the future, Right?
Like that's that. I think this stuff is is
interesting when you're talking about it because it just points
me back towards that you're BornThis Way.
Narrative. Yeah, it's, it's also the fact
of they think that like one, they think autism just kind of
(28:29):
just sprout up in the past, say 30 years or so.
Like like people, they're like, well, there's no people like, I
don't know, I can't name anyone like that's autistic.
I'm like OK. You know how like.
Your your uncle, your uncle Terry like had trains like a
bunch of displays of trains thatno one could touch but had to be
in all a sort and certain order.And he only had certain
(28:51):
silverware he liked to use and liked to sit, eat a meal, his
meat and potatoes, every single like and had a had a routine.
You don't think there was a little bit of autism?
There and would get really pissed off if you did something
outside of any of those things or you got touched something he
didn't want you to touch or whatever.
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But it's just the fact that somepeople think they come from the
Pope, since we can't say, you know, the V word on on yeah,
they can't like come from a Pope.
To me, it's just baffling. It's kind of like the people
that, quote UN quote, discoveredMount Everest or discovered a
(29:34):
planet or a moon or * but then acting like it's like it's
acting like they didn't exist before that point.
It's like, no, we just saw it atthat point.
We were able to see it. Like the whole, I don't know if
this was caught before the wholemammograms, the introduction of
(29:56):
mammograms, increasing the diagnosis of like like breast
cancer, but then thinking like breast cancer diagnosis would
just jumped up astronomically like in the mid 70s, like after
mammograms were introduced. It's like, no, they breast
cancer and all that existed. It's just we have no way of, we
had no way of diagnosing it like, or at least properly
(30:19):
diagnosing it. It's like, yeah, sure, some
things are like getting worse, like you know, say like skin
cancer, like I'm sure back like,you know, back then people got
skin cancer too. But it just it is what it is.
And so this whole. As science evolves, we find more
things and we're able to diagnose more things.
And therefore there will be certain years where it looks
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like everybody was diagnosed with something or there's a huge
spike in diagnosis for somethingand it's like or a huge drop in
diagnosis. You can't correlate that with
the rise or fall of a certain thing.
It's because the new technology came out and we're not able to
diagnose the thing, right or we're understanding anything
better or whatever. And now that's going to
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correlate with higher rates of diagnosis of the thing.
There's the technology to diagnose the thing now.
Do you know what I mean? Or the understanding to diagnose
the thing. Right, exactly.
And I so like, I so basically seeing these Co comorbidities of
autism and you know, and or likeADHD, it's interesting.
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It's kind of like almost like closing the gap.
It's like, OK, so we see that women with PCOS have a like, are
twice as likely to have autism than when without PCOS.
So, and here's like, here's a possible reason why.
So it's kind of like, OK, if we can find more comorbidities and
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find the link between that, it'slike we kind of just get closer
and closer to figure out like where like definitively where
like autism comes from. Like, OK, say, like say the
general consensus is it's genetic, OK, but we need to
figure out how like where, what,what gene is it on?
What like is if it's on a certain gene, like then what's
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the criteria? Like what hormones affect?
Like, you know, if it it's like,OK, so it it's on a certain
gene, but you have to have a certain hormone levels to affect
it or something happens. It just you kind of have like
what activates the gene to present autism in somebody, that
sort of thing. So I just found it interesting
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because I was like, I just want to see if PCOS is a comorbidity.
And I'm not definitely saying itis.
I just like seeing those few studies talk about it.
And there were several more articles.
There was a lot more articles onlike the the NIH website that
were heavily like so dry, just so dry.
And so I didn't want to include those because they were just
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entire PhD thesis level, like talking about it.
Yeah, so, and I'm not, I'm not, I'm not about that life.
So so you could. Yeah.
And so and there was, and there was more studies about women
like mothers with PCOS having a higher chance of having children
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with autism, that sort of thing.And there was a lot more studies
about that. So I kind of just wanted to keep
it more concise. And so to me, like for me
personally, it, it kind of like makes sense because I have
always had like more quote, UN quote masculine traits where I
have a good deeper voice than most women.
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I was the social constructs of like, you know, tomboy likes
growing up. And even now, like I could not
care less about like makeup or fashion that much.
Like I'll wear dresses, I'll wear like cute clothes and
stuff, but it's like, it's one of those things I don't care
about where I'm more of a guy inthat way.
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And I understand that's not a gene thing.
That's that's not like that, that's a gender thing, not a sex
thing. That's a gender thing, not a
biological sex thing, right. And so it's to me, it's just an
interesting correlation that this thing that I've know, I've,
I've know I've had like been diagnosed since 17 and something
that I've been thinking about like my autism for the past few
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years. It's like the fact that there's
like a correlation and and maybethere's a reason why.
It's just interesting, yeah. Yeah, I agree.
I think this was a great a greattopic for our first one.
Do you have anything more to like add to your own, like
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personal experience with PCOS? Do you want to talk about it or
do you want to like sort of leave it along with the autism
thing? Well, like, like I said, I, I
don't remember. I don't remember why we went.
And like, I don't like I said this was like 18 years ago.
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And so like a whole adult life age ago.
I don't over what Yeah, I do notremember why we went in because,
you know, I was still in high school and I don't remember like
what the reason was, like what symptoms I was having that made
it. I don't feel like the heavy like
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the regular periods or somethingbecause I was on birth control
and stuff to try to regulate it.And so I'm not sure if that's
what brought it or the whole like, because I do get like, you
know, chin hairs and seven, all women get like little hairs on
their face. Everything and everything is
just like I felt like I got morethan other girls.
And so and plus I was heavier. I was, I was considered morbidly
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obese at 17. And so I think that was also
probably reason. I will say I've been lucky in
the fact that I don't have, if Ihave a bunch of like cysts and
everything they don't necessarily it's like, 'cause me
pain like I don't get that sort of issue.
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Like, I haven't had like an MRI of that area in years and years
and years. So I couldn't tell you if I do.
And like, it's not something we ever looked for.
So I, I think that's it. Like it.
Like, yeah, 'cause it's like, like I said, we took Glucophage
and that just made me feel like shit.
Birth control made me feel like shit.
So I stopped taking both. And I can't say whether or not
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'cause like PCOS is also like the leading cause for women
being infertile. Couldn't tell you never tried to
have a kid so couldn't tell you if that if that makes me if that
affects me in any way 'cause it's like I don't want kids so
couldn't tell you if I this thiswould ever prevent me from
having them. Yeah, obviously I'm not
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infertile because I have two children.
Well, technically I am now 'cause I don't have a uterus or
a cervix. But I, I did have a hard time
like Jordan and I like when I was diagnosed with it, I knew he
really wanted kids and I was told it would probably be really
hard for me to have kids becauseor any any more kids because of
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how bad my ovaries had gotten, like how bad they were when we
found it. And so like, I don't know if I
ever even told you this, but like we were basically trying
like immediately. So like we knew I knew I wanted
at least another one. I knew he wanted one, so I was
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like, why not? What's another one, right?
I want one anyway, so let's go for it.
And it took, I think we tried for like a year and a half and
then maybe like a year. No, it was like 8 months.
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It was like 8 months. And then I went into the doctor,
told her what was going on. She was like, OK, that's like,
that's on the short end of like what we would consider time to
like intervene. But if you both really want a
kid, I'll just go ahead and try it.
We'll go and try this or whatever.
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And it didn't like I had to stoptaking the metformin because it
made me so sick. But it didn't take maybe like 3
or 4 more months after that and I was able to have a kid.
So it must have not been as bad as they told me it was.
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But anyway, that was my experience with it.
I did have to try the metformin for a little while, but I don't
know that it was necessarily that I was really infertile.
My most of my issue was my cysts.
I did have like technically polycystic ovaries is like they
look like little little baby bumps all over the place, but I
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would get larger ones that wouldburst and cause me a lot of
fucking pain. So that's my experience and the
weight issue. I've never been able to regulate
my weight since ever since I since I started my period.
So like which I think I was 14 when I started my period and
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yeah, never was able to regulate.
It was never regular and then I could never like keep control my
weight after that unless I starve for myself, which I don't
recommend 'cause you're out of 10.
Don't do that. Go to the doctor.
Don't, don't do that. But anyway, yeah, that's that's
kind of my my little experience.Do as I say, not as I do, OK?
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I still have my ovaries. When I did the hysterectomy, we
elected to keep them because I'mstill fairly young and I didn't
want to be. Pushed into menopause
immediately. You know, had there been
something like seriously medically necessary for them to
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come out? Obviously take them out.
I don't get fucked. But my OBGYN did not seem to
believe that there would be an issue leaving them so and I
trusted him wholeheartedly. So I still have mine and I get,
you know, I hurt everyone smile.But ever since that damn uterus
went away, man, life's been great.
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Listen, I'm thankful for it because my two children grew in
it and that's great. But it has been so nice not
having a uterus. They're just a problem when they
don't work right, OK. When they do not work right,
they are an issue for your life.If you're not a uterus haver,
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Please note that they are not all they're cracked up to be.
Breaking news when breaking news.
When organs don't work right, itsucks.
Who thought? Who thought I've had an
experience with the two organ systems now having to leave my
buddy. So yeah, they're they're not
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great when they stop functioningproperly.
So anyway, I think that's all wegot on that then, yeah.
Yeah, so I think that that was my contribution to to this.
Like I said, it's, it's still like kind of like up in the air.
It's it's interesting that it's like not necessarily like it's a
comorbidity, like how like, you know, depression, anxiety, all
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that. But it's just interesting that
there's a link. Yeah, I think this was a great
topic. I think you did so well.
By the way, I didn't know what she was doing until we sat down.
So which I think it's getting cool.
It's like a surprise. I had mine.
I have mine listed in there. Maybe I'll take them out and
we'll. Just surprise each other each
week. I don't.
I haven't looked at it so. OK, don't look and I'll take it
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out. Yeah, 'cause I just, I literally
right before we sat down, like right before we record.
Yeah, right before we record. I just like copy pasted the
links into the into the thing and then I was like OK here we
go. All right, it's out.
It's gone. It's almost like a surprise
surprise bitch. Here's topic.
Yeah, so we get we surprised each other, which is cool.
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All right, cool. Well I I was able to find all
those links so thank you for that.
Yes. We will make sure they're in the
show notes. Actually, I was constructing the
show notes while she was talkingjust because I tend to forget to
put the links in. So I'm like if I don't do just
run me out, forget 'cause I haveto get this put up.
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And did you want to give a shoutout now or in the fun and
fuckery? Let's do it now, just in case
people don't follow us after thefollowing fun and fuckery.
So we want to say a big super duper loud and happy birthday to
Micah. Yes, friend of the show, friend
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in real life. And we are happy to have them in
our lives. We met them through their
partner Ray, who was listening to the show, and we've just
connected and hit it off and we do regular Hangouts now, even
though they live in Denmark. Discord's a wonderful thing.
(43:25):
So we get to we're doing hangoutand play games.
And we're doing one this Friday,so.
Yeah, we're doing one Friday andwe we really enjoy connecting
with them. They're become really good
friends. And so, yeah, happy birthday,
Micah. Happy birthday.
All the love. We hope that it's a wonderful
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day. Yeah.
Millennial heart. Yeah, Millennial heart.
You do all the all the nothing if that's what you want to do.
And eat all of your favorite snacks.
Yes, For us, you do all your favorite.
I'm sure there's better snacks there, less healthier snacks
(44:08):
there. Less poisonous ones.
Yeah, apparently less poisonous ones.
Anyway, happy happy birthday to Micah.
If you comment on things, drop acomment.
You can comment on Spotify now. I don't know if people know
that. Drop a comment.
Happy birthday Micah in Spotify.Yeah, or on our Facebook or it
just. Yeah, or on our Facebook.
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Yeah, anywhere that you can findus.
We're trying to be over on Facebook now.
I'll do a I'll probably do a post over there too on the day
so anyone can say happy birthday.
Birthday, Micah. We would really love that.
Happy birthday, Micah. All right, so let's hit the
phone in fuckery. Now we have a proper Jeremy
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update and a mad Lib, so double.Double whammy today.
Yeah, so stick around if you want to hear that.
Here we go. Blasted all my mouse died.
(45:18):
Here we are. We're here, we made it to the
other side with a dead mouse. So anyway, let's start with the
Jeremy update and we'll end on the mad Lib.
Sound like fun? Sure it sounds like fuckery, so
it sounds like fuckery. All right, so listen, I got a
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lot wrong on the 4th. And properly, she had to
properly get everything situatedso she could, you know, get give
a good update for everything. Yeah, and I got some things
wrong also. I decided to shake the Etch A
Sketch and start over. I acquired some additional
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things for The Sims and I wantedto sort of retool the houses and
the characters. And I'm like, instead of just
doing that and bulldozing shit, I'm just going to start the fuck
over. So I started everyone over from
scratch. So this is what we have for you.
The many sensational adventures of the Fellowship of Jerry the
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Fellowship and. Just, you know, just add more
colons and dashes and we'll get the entire title in there
somehow. It would only be right.
You know what I mean? It would only be right.
So OK, we're going to start withJeremy.
If anyone cares, we can probablymake these character sheets like
available to to look at if anyone cares.
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But we can get into that later. So Jeremy Gray is his name.
We decided that because Jeremy was just the psychic cat in the
story, he never had a last name,that when him and Velvet got
married, he took Velvet's last name because Velvet, if you can
remember, was from the House of Grey, right?
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So her last name was Grey. So he's now Jeremy Grey.
How progressive. We love to see it, he.
We love to be a male feminist. Yeah, so kind of the layout of
the character sheet, we did character partner, sexuality,
children, career aspiration, traits, storyline notes and
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skills. So the skills are not fully done
for them because I just sort of cheat every one of them and Max
them all out. So just assume that at some
point they're going to have all the skills they're supposed to
have. So we decided Jeremy is a
straight white man, straight white ginger.
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He was a red orange cat in the thing.
So he is straight white male. They have so many fucking kids.
So do you fucking? They're kind of horn dogs, you
know? Yeah, that is, they don't stop,
man. They don't ever stop.
And it's, let's just say their oldest walked in on them at one
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point and it was not cute. It was not cute.
I did not know like, cuz the wayI had the house set up, it was
really difficult to like keep track of everyone in the house.
And they went off to do their thing and I wasn't paying
attention. And the next thing I know, I get
this pop up on the screen where it's like Limerick is mortified.
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She walked in and saw something she wasn't supposed to see.
And I was like, oh shit, it's a kid, Not a kid walking in on him
in a fucking game. But anyway.
So yeah, children between him and Velvet.
Are Limerick now, OK, let me back up.
All these children are named after fabrics because velvet is
a fabric. So we gotta do, we gotta do the
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stair table. Like millennials naming their
children awful things like, right, that's like a like a,
that's like a thing like melialsand Gen.
Z are naming their children really stupid things.
So we we had to kind of like go with that.
Right. So all these kids are named
after fabric. OK, so we have the oldest, who's
now a teenager, which is Limerick Lace.
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We have suede, which is I guess whatever child is characterized
in the game Zephyr, who is a toddler.
And then we have the triplets. So we have one boy and two
girls, so they're not identical because there's a pee pee in
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amongst the vaginas. So they can't be identical.
OK, people get that mixed up a lot, I've heard.
So we can't have identical men. 'S that are a boy and a girl?
That doesn't make sense. How can they be identical then?
Right, right. They couldn't have come from the
same place, same uterus, but notthe same egg.
Anyway, so Denim is the boy, Jersey is one of the girls, and
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Linen is one of the girls. So we have 3 girls, 3 boys,
solid split. OK I don't know why I did this.
Not going to lie the fucking triplets are ridiculous.
Why I thought this was a good idea instead of just letting
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them have one at a fucking time and let them get to like kid age
before I let them have another one is batshit bananas with me
because I was trying to like actually them.
And none of one baby would go tosleep and the next one would
wake up and fucking scream. And then Jeremy would be off
fucking off doing something and I'd have to call the oldest kid
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in there and parentify her and be like, come fix this fucking
child. And then I'd have one on my back
screaming and one in the bed screaming and I'm like Jesus H
cat dancing Christ, what did I do?
To myself like so kudos to any any parents of multiples, you
know. Right.
So listen, this is real Sims is real life, OK?
Because I can only imagine that that's what it's like to have
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triplets. I had two, two kids that were a
toddler and a baby at one time. And I was like, Nope, I can't.
I'm done. Thank you.
I've I've had enough just playing a game where you have to
take care of three. Infants.
A game. You can pause by the way, a
game. You can pause.
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And she needs like. You could you could age the kids
up at any time you want. I'm gonna, I'm gonna have to,
but I'm trying not to, like, push this along too far.
I want to, like, drag it out some.
But I might fucking do. I don't know.
I think I might have to. I can't handle this.
I get the babies are too much. It's too much.
It's cute when there's one, whenthere's three at once, that's
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not cute anymore. Anyway, moving on, Jeremy has
retired from adventuring. OK, he is a writer now.
So he is like best selling author, New York Times
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bestseller. He's he's making the fat cash
selling his stories and what arethey called?
The Chronicles of Jeremy, right.So he now writes and sells the
Chronicles of Jeremy, detailing all the crazy adventures of him
and his four friends depicted though not as humans but as
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animals, because that's the original lore.
So now you have a human. Yes.
I'm sure it's it's it'll it's it's coming.
OK. So his aspiration is big happy
family. OK.
He wants that. He's achieved it.
God bless him, he's achieved it.He has stayed.
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Keeping her knocked up. OK.
Yeah, They are fertile. They are they?
Yeah, fertile. Listen, they were cats in the
original story. So I was thinking a good litter,
right? And then they're done.
I'm gonna turn off their baby makers.
They can't do it no more. I draw the line at six.
We're done. No more kids.
I'm turning their baby makers off.
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So close her legs. OK, she's like no more.
Close the factory, she ain't closing her legs.
Yeah, she's she's making him geta vasectomy.
He's getting a vasectomy. Yeah, yeah, we're turning his
baby maker off. So anyway, there in this version
on the of The Sims that I have, I have like the the magical one
of the magical ones so you can pick in a cult for them.
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And I was like, duh, I'm going to do that because original
storyline. Hello, so Jeremy's a spellcaster
so he can do the magic in this? Story I think he's like a
crystal ball because he was a psychic cat.
I think there is a crystal ball that you can get.
Oh shit, I need to find it. OK, I'll have to find it.
Put it in the world. So, spellcaster.
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He uses this magic to help persuade folks to read his shit.
He uses it to his advantage. OK, he's a crafty little shit.
He's. Basically he's basically better
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Lockhart from Harry Potter. This the teacher, the second
from the second movie Defense Against Dark Arts teacher that
like, yes, he, he didn't like, he, he stole a lot of people's
stories and like Jeremy's not stealing his stories.
He's just making people read hisbooks.
Right, right. OK, so that's Jeremy.
OK, Velvet. We'll move on to Velvet next
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'cause I have to discuss the kiddynamic.
So in this storyline Velvet is avampire OK because when I
originally made her character I was thinking black cat.
She's a goth OK and let's just be real I want to be her OK?
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I want to be. She is life goals.
She's like the person that I wish I could be.
Every single day in my life is how I created Velvet.
So she's bi which hello again creating her after me.
So here we are, same kids exceptfor not in this document because
I forgot to change it. Same kids as obviously Jeremy
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because they belong to them and she decided to be a stay at home
mom. She's also retired from
adventuring. She don't want no part of it no
more. She's tired, but she's tired OK.
She's been drug all around the world by the glamour Guild and
she's had about enough. She just wants to be home, pop
out a million kids and enjoy herfamily.
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OK, so that's what she's doing. So her aspiration is super
parent, OK, And boy, she is doing it OK.
Her traits are, oh, I forgot to tell you Jeremy's traits, but
her traits are romantically reserved because if you
remember, she wanted Jack shit to do with Jeremy at the
beginning, adventurous, family oriented.
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And then I put vampire for her occult.
OK, so quickly the kid dynamic. All right, so because Jeremy's a
spellcaster and Velvet's a vampire, we have to somehow
represent this in the children. OK, so.
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I feel like I decided be a vampire because that sounds like
a vampire name. Just wait, girl, you're going to
be happy about it, I decided. All the boys in their line are
vampires and all the girls are spellcasters.
OK, so Limerick is a spellcasterand Jersey and Linen are all
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spellcasters. All the girls have are are
gingers. Well, no, I think.
No, I didn't. I decided not to do that.
Never mind. They're not gingers.
Ignore that. Anyway, so all the girls are
spellcasters. The reason why I picked all the
girls to be the spellcasters is because in like the witchy lore,
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OK, multiples are like seen as super powerful, especially
identical twins right and acolyte right like the acolyte
thing right so. Like the TN which is mowry
twitchy. Right.
So listen, it's it's a thing in witchy lore that multiples are
super strong. So the the girls are
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spellcasters and then the boys are all vampires.
So I just think it was fun to like split it.
Up it's basically like I I know you haven't seen it, but there's
this one show and book series called Discovery of Witches, and
the girl in the show is a witch and the guy is a vampire.
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Cool, I need to watch this now. It's, it's it's on Netflix.
I think I can give you my login.I mean, I have Netflix,
actually. Yeah.
But yeah, 'cause it was on like some other like random streaming
service. But then they put all the
seasons on Netflix and it's so good.
I watched all three seasons. OK.
(58:44):
Yeah, I'm down for it. All right, moving on.
Trying to go in after the JeremyVelvet situation because
obviously Velvet showed up last,but they're linked, so I had to
explain it. Moving on, Sympathy.
Do you want to like, tease just Jeremy and Velvet for this one
and then talk about the other ones in another fun fuckery?
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Or do you want to do all of themnow?
Oh, I don't know. Yeah, let's do that.
Let's split them up. Yeah, let's split them up.
That's a good idea. OK, so one more note on the Gray
family. They you can only have eight
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people in a house in Sims. OK, so I had to figure out how
to get an extra person in this house.
So I figured out that you can create rental units inside a
house. So I made a rental room inside
the house and I plugged in QueenViolet Velvet's mom So.
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She's like Queen Violet was her her mother in law's suite.
Yes, so Queen Violet has her ownroom with her own bathroom and a
beautiful bed and she is gave her the career of like
babysitter, but then maxed her all the way out to like daycare
admin or whatever so that she would be happy about it made her
like kid oriented like I sculpted her character to be
(01:00:09):
like kid oriented and then. I made all of the rooms in the
house shared rooms except for Jeremy and Velvet's room and
Limerick's room so that she'll be able to go in like the kids
rooms and like help with the kids.
And so far it's working. She will show up randomly and
just start picking up kids and doing things with them and
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cleaning floors and whatevers. So we love Queen Velvet.
Thank you for that. Because I think Violet would
probably shave all her hair off if she didn't have her mom there
helping her. So that's their story right now.
The triplets are still infants. Remember, we have a toddler.
Zephyr suedes the child age and then Limerick Lace.
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Their oldest is a teenager now. So that's Jeremy and Velvet and
all of their children. And we will next.
Next time we will get into sympathy because we have a mad
Lib to do. Yes.
And. I'm the inky and pinnegan and
whatever. Yeah, and spoiler alert, Ray and
(01:01:21):
Micah will be entering the chat.OK, we are bringing the pirates
in. If you remember, if you remember
the pirates from like the last episode, we're bringing them in.
OK, the Liberators are coming and yeah, it's going to be fun
time. Let's move on.
You want words? See them?
You can't see them, but she showed me pictures of them and
(01:01:43):
they all look very cool. Yeah, I'm going to figure out a
way we're eventually going to like stream this at some point.
I think it working into it or ifyou guys actually want to see
it, we'll. Just like Funny Friday sometimes
like shows her SIM world and stuff.
So yeah, we'll make it a thing at some point, all right?
You want words? Yeah.
Yeah, So if you don't guys don'tknow, we got a new mad Lib.
(01:02:05):
It's been a while, but we pickedone.
It's called. Unicorn.
It's been a while. Called unicorns, mermaids and
Mad libs. So we figured since we're kind
of getting back into the Jeremy thing and sympathies are like,
like, you know, the whole fantasy stuff that we kind of
get into that. OK, so from you I need an
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adjective. Dark.
Dark. It was a dark and stormy night.
A couple of these are Choose your own adventure, just
whatever makes more sense. So plural noun Greek tragedies.
If it doesn't make sense, let meknow.
(01:02:49):
I like it. It's it it, it gets the whole
like there are two wolves insideof you type of thing.
Plural noun. Fucky eyes, which is what I call
my eye condition. Fucky eyes color hot pink, which
is the color of the pen I used to fill this out.
(01:03:14):
Number. 19 There's no reason. There's no reason, just a number
verb. OK, this is a choose your own
adventure. You can choose cram like cram it
in there or stuff like stuff it in there, whatever makes more
sense or is funnier. I'm gonna do pry if that makes
(01:03:39):
cause like it's kind of like similar because it's basically
it's asking for the opposite of those words.
So. Oh fine, done, done deal.
Type of liquid, the blood. Of your enemies.
(01:04:03):
More of my enemies, whatever makes more sense.
Adjective. Alluring plural noun
townspeople. Actually, this kind of makes
kind of makes sense Number. OK.
(01:04:28):
Either half of 1% or .5%, whatever you want to say,
whatever sounds better. Not percent.
It's asking for the amount of degrees.
So half a degree I think sure, because half a percent of 1,
like half a percent of a degree I guess is really makes sense
(01:04:51):
adjective. Bulbas.
Bulbasaur Noun. King Charles, because you
mentioned it the other day. Yeah, silly word.
Giggle shits. That's when you can't stop
(01:05:17):
laughing while looking at memes on your phone, on the toilet.
Place a place. Applebee's eating good in the
neighborhood. They closed ours too.
There's nobody goes there anymore.
Ours is still around, I think, but I mean they've closed a
bunch of other places. Adjective.
(01:05:39):
Festering noun. Hell.
Verb ending and ING. You already know what it is.
Yeah, y'all know what we do I. Love that our first one back has
a fucking in it. Yes, perfect.
(01:06:02):
And then part of the body. Plural.
Tits. Tits.
OK. Now let's see how terrible this
is 'cause mine are always awful.OK, this is No, they're not.
This is how to hatch a dragon egg.
While most eggs need dark love and care for the Greek tragedies
inside to survive, Dragon Age thrive on danger.
(01:06:24):
In fact, the funky eyes of hot pink Dragons require a 19 foot
drop in order to pry open eggs of the blood of your enemies.
Dragons depend on a luring lava from underwater townspeople to
heat the shells to temperatures of half a degree or more.
(01:06:45):
Only then can the bulbous dragonettes inside finally
hatch. But the King Charles of the
Skies, the giggle shit dragon ofApple Peas.
I can't. The fuck?
(01:07:07):
Sorry, Your Majesty or Your Highness or whatever, Your
honorific. Is why that wouldn't break me
'cause he's giggle shit. But the King Charles of the
Skies, the giggle shit dragon ofApplebee's, is the most
festering hell layer of them all.
(01:07:30):
They have been spotted fucking into the tits of hungry
predators hoping to be swallowed.
Oh God, Oh no. Once they hatch, they cause
quite a bellyache. The end.
(01:07:53):
Best when I've done it a lot. I'm glad I didn't really read it
because I didn't really like. I just I read like the word
right after it, but I didn't read the sentence in context
until then. I'm crying.
Oh it's so good thinking Charles a
(01:08:22):
disguise. Shit.
The giggle shit dragon of Applebee's.
Giggle. Shit dragon of me.
Sweet, that hurts. Now she has a bellyache.
(01:08:45):
Oh my God, I got the brain pain pooch.
Oh shit, I'm going to have to hit the brain pain.
Oh God. Ow.
Oh fucking hell, that was good. Oh my God.
OK, that was, that was the. Best.
I don't. I don't.
(01:09:06):
We topped that right out the gate.
Yeah. Is it like, is it downhill from
here? Oh my God.
I fucking hope now. I hope this is just
foreshadowing of what's to come.Us busting fucking veins lacking
this shit. Oh, my God.
I fucked my eyebrows up. Oh, watch all my eyebrows off.
(01:09:30):
God. OK, all right, well, I think we
did that. It's all for.
It's all for now, folks. We let's hit a Tenzin.
Julie, you can't. Oh, shit.
(01:09:52):
Yeah. Julie, do the thing.
I'm afraid there are no more things to do.
That's right, we're done. Like Jilly said, there's no more
things to do with me to go finish taking the rest of my
eyebrows off and eat some spaghetti because I'm fucking
hungry, but OK. We love you guys.
(01:10:14):
I hope this was worth the wait. Yeah, good to be back, question
mark. And they're like, Oh my God,
this just stayed gone. This just stayed gone.
Good to be back. That was the best right out the
fucking gate. I love it.
All right, we love you. All the podcast.
Y things are in the show notes. You know where to find us.
Come harass us on Facebook. Send us an e-mail that we forget
(01:10:38):
to fucking check. We should be better about that.
But yeah, send us an e-mail, geton Facebook, say hello, and we
will see you all next time. Goodbye.
Goodbye.
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