May 15, 2025 • 70 mins
Syril Karn, the unyielding Deputy Inspector for the Preox-Morlana Corporation (Pre-Mor) on Ferrix, from the wildly popular Star Wars franchise Andor, might have a touch of the tism. Let's chat about the characteristics of this complicated character that appeared on our tism-dar.
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Hi there, Meander. Hi.
How's it going? Good.
We're we're here and I'm itchy. I am too first.
But I I have it's just because I'm an itchy person so that is
what it is. Mine's 'cause I got stupidity
stabbed like 4 times today in the arms with allergy shots.
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How many? How many more do you do you have
to do that? Wow words.
How many more do you? Have to do quite a few.
I am, I have one more dose on this color and then I moved to
yellow, which is one step. I believe it's one step before
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red. So yeah.
So I go from blue to yellow to red.
So red is my where I can go. Like I have to do red for a
couple weeks and then after I get to a certain point of red,
then I can go monthly instead ofweekly.
So gotcha. Probably another couple months
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and then I'll go monthly insteadof every week, which is nice
'cause it's getting old having to get stabbed every week so.
Well, the SO at least have. Hopefully after that you'll feel
better in general. And like the we're almost at the
end. So like each time you get a
shot, it's more and more throughout your vial, right?
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So like this time it was a lot more serum than last time.
And so obviously it's going to be itchier than last time.
And I have a little, I have a little baby, not little baby,
not on my arm, but it's fine. I'm gonna, I was waiting as long
as humanly possible to hit a Benadryl 'cause I'm like, I have
to go pick up a kid and I don't want to risk it.
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So. Where I got to risk it for the
biscuit for the children. You know, I have to take a bit,
I have to at least take a Zyrtechere soon 'cause I don't want to
have any more issues. So.
But anyway, what a what's new with you?
Not much. Literally.
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Literally nothing. My my mind is blank right now
about what's going on in my life.
That's OK. Yep.
By the way, hi, we're a podcast.Yeah, Hi, we're a podcast.
We are two neurodivergent best friends traveling the neuroverse
together because we're living ina neurotypical world and we're
not neurotypical girls. Since Amanda's brain no be
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braining I, I guess I will tell you what we're talking about
today. Yeah.
Which is different because usually I'm like, Dang it, what
are we talking about today? But flip the script Tony of
Amanda Break. So today is one of our autism in
the media, our neurodivergency in media, because our
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neurodivergency in the media kind of episodes where where we
make up shit and we pontificate.And we kind of like, yeah, like,
yeah, people we we see in media that we feel are, are on the
spectrum or a little touch the ADHD, like basically we're like
basically traits of ourselves wesee in characters.
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And they may not be written thatway or like it was not intention
of the creators to make this person that way.
It's just we're kind of like, yeah, that person's one of us.
Yeah, Yep. So today I will let you tell
them who we're talking about, who we talking.
About Amander, OK, we kind of teased it a couple weeks ago and
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it's gonna be Cyril Karn from Andor, specifically the first
season of Andor because as we'rerecording this, the last three
episodes of the season 2 of Andor came out.
I have seen the 1st 9 episodes. I haven't seen the last three
yet. Nikki has not seen any of season
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2. So I will if I do reference
anything in season 2, it's goingto be very non spoilery.
It's just kind of to further my point about something I've
noticed in his character, but nothing really.
I won't spoil anything because Iknow like, you know, the season
just literally ended and I know some people want to watch it and
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haven't seen it yet. And so, yeah, no spoilers.
I will 'cause there's one point that I'm, I'm wanna make.
It's not like, you know, during this that I just, it's further
emphasized in Season 2, but it'snot a spoiler at all.
So yeah, I was thinking about that earlier, but that's what
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we're talking about. Cyril Carr.
And he was the, I don't rememberwhat his job title was.
He worked like, he's like a cop,like a corporate security or
something like that. Yeah, he was second.
In command for corporate security on his little sector.
Yeah, more a lot of 1, whatever planet that is and he or if
that's a town, no idea. So yeah, basically he's the one
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at. So if you haven't watched,
haven't watched Andor at all anddon't want to, this is going to
be spoilers for at least season 1.
Basically, at the very, very beginning of the first season of
Andor, Andor killed 2 corporate security officers and Cyril
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basically took it upon himself to go after him for it.
So that's who we're talking about today.
Yeah, when? When do we first meet?
It's very early. It's like, it's like one of the
first two episodes. At least we first meet Cyril.
What is the situation Mr. Cyril has found himself in when we
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first are introduced to him? What is happening?
Let's tell the people because this right here was my first
time. I was like, yeah, he, he he
might have touched him. So what?
What's going on with Mr. Cyril when we very first meet him?
Well, I it's been a little bit since I've seen the first couple
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episodes, but for I remember hislike he found out basically that
these two officers were murderedand he takes it to his
supervisor or a super. He's talking with it with a
supervisor, supervisor's like this, this stuff happens.
We don't need to really go in further into it.
There's no reason to investigate.
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They just, they just picked on the wrong person at the wrong
time. And so we'll just put it down as
just bad luck on the job basically.
And he was like, fuck that and fuck no.
He's like, but Sir, we. We got it.
We got to. Investigate like what about like
justice and all this? And that's when like, because I,
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we like recently, like I recently watched season 1 of
Andor. Like when I went to visit Nikki
last month, she had not seen Andor.
So we watched the first season and like we, we clocked him like
in that first scene for like, this guy's got a touch of the
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tism, like. Yeah.
'Cause it's yeah, go ahead his. The inspector was like, 'cause I
just rewatched that clip. I found a clip on YouTube which
we might just, I might see, I might link those in the show
notes so you guys can see what we're talking about.
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I he's like standing there at what I would call parade rest.
So like standing chest out, hands behind, you know, hands
behind their back, whatever. And he's like, basically just
got done telling this man like, this is what happened.
And he expects, right, that his commander guy is going to be
like, well, yeah, let's figure out who did it, right?
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Because like, that's the only logical explanation.
That's the only logical thing todo.
Someone died. We have to figure out what, what
investigate, right? And the captain's like, listen,
I'm about to go to an imperial inspection where they're going
to like look over all of our crime rates and do all this
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stuff. I don't need this right now.
Basically, he's like, I, we don't need this right now.
We're at a bar, which we, they were at a brothel, which we
shouldn't have during their workshift, which shouldn't happen.
And they messed with the wrong man at the wrong time.
So this is going to be chalked up to some accident.
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And we're going to move on, right?
Because we don't need this backlash from the Empire right
now. Because if they find out this
happened, they're going to come in here radar shit, and we're
going to lose our sovereignty basically as a planet.
They're going to come take us over, right?
They're one of the very few corporately run like security
teams left in the in like the Galaxy at this point, OK?
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Because the Empire is taking over everything and so he is
like standing there. And the more that this man is
talking, the more rage is filling behind his.
Eyes like confused rage. Like confused rage.
He's like, what do you mean like?
Yeah, it's the fucking the fucking oh, what's or nuts,
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Katniss. Oh, Jennifer Lawrence.
Yeah, yeah. Going what do you mean?
What do you mean? Like the crying?
What do you mean? That's basically what he wants
to do. And the guy, he doesn't say a
word the whole time. The captain goes, do you look
pressed? Is there something you're not
understanding? He goes, I'm trying, Sir.
Meaning like, no, I don't fucking understand, you old son
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of a bitch. This is not right.
Justice must be served. And he's not happy about it.
And so this sets up the stage for his whole storyline
throughout the first season and I'm sure into the second season,
and he is just on a fucking mission to figure out who killed
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these guys because it is not fair that these people were
murdered and nobody gives a shit.
He has to find out why it's not OK.
He can't just sweep it under therug.
It's impossible in his brain. This do not compute, OK?
Does not compute. How could you possibly see two
people were murdered and not do shit about it?
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So what does he do? Goes to meddling, goes to taking
it into his own fucking hands and starts ordering
motherfuckers to do shit becausetechnically he's second in
command and while his little, what you call it, guy is off
doing this, you know, imperial inspection, he is like, well,
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while the cat's away. The mice will play.
Right, so he he done played and he started barking order after
order. They eventually figure out that
it was Andor who did it, and nowhe's real pissed.
OK, now this motherfucker's going on man.
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A full on manhunt for Andor and will not let it.
He will not do Elsa, OK. He will not.
He will not channel his inner Elsa and let it let it fucking
go. To the detriment of his career,
basically. Yeah, so because he won't let it
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go, the Empire ends up finding end up finding out.
I don't remember exactly how they ended up finding out but
didn't. Was it because they went to
where Cassian like Cassian's home planet and started
interrogating his family and shit?
Is that how they found out? They also Dedra Desra Miro she
is the ISP officer she's like the in the show she's like the
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blonde lady like the slicked back hair.
From what I remember she they were investigating Andor for a
different reason. That's.
Right, because he had stolen an Imperial Star Path unit,
whatever the fuck that is, and he had stolen this unit and was
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going to sell it to Lutheran, who's like one of the heads of
the rebellion at this time. And so they were looking for
Andor for this reason. And so their their paths kind of
like Dedra and Cyril's paths crossed in that manner.
That's why. They crossed on that planet, on
his home planet, That's right. But.
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From what 'cause I remember his boss did eventually find out he
was still investigating because they went to, Yeah, 'cause they
went to Ferrix, where Andor was.And a lot of shit went down.
Shit got blown up, people got shot.
And so that's when, like, the Empire's like, OK, apparently
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you guys can't take care of yourselves.
You guys are little children. So we'll take, we'll take over
from here. And so that led to Cyril losing
his job because he was so obsessed with finding it already
brought other people into it, 'cause like, 'cause that one
guy, yeah. So that's the next scene where
it's pretty fucking obvious besides the fact he cannot let
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this go, no matter how much it'sit's going to ruin his career.
This is Justin's my favorite. Yeah.
And a sense of just like this, this is like my this is one of
the best scenes. So the guy, one of the guys, he
chooses to go with him like basically volunteered himself to
go with. He could not wait, right.
So they. Basically simping for Cyril.
Right, this ragtag band of folkstogether to go to Farex to find
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Andor, right? And the guy is like briefing
everyone. The the little simp guy is
briefing, briefing everyone about what's gonna happen when
they get there. And Cyril's just kind of
standing there all chuffed, you know, like watching it happen.
And then he turns to Cyril and he goes after you, Sir, your
turn, basically your your turn. You tell him something and he
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can make a speech. Fucking looks at him like a deer
in fucking headlights. You see the fucking life force
drained from his body who's likeOh no improv, I have to.
I was not expecting this. No, like you can just see the
pure fucking terror in his eyes mixed with the fact that he
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knows that he has to be a leaderright now and he can't seem weak
in front of these people, so he gives the most lackluster back
talk in the most monotone voice you have ever fucking heard.
And you can tell by the people listening they're like, what the
fuck is this guy on? And him, one of his signature
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lines, was the most dangerous choice of all.
He's doing nothing. And we're like, the fuck, they
all just started and look at each other and they're like, the
fuck is this guy saying? And then he, he like walks away
with a little smile on his face like our motherfucker did that.
I did that. And then the guy, the little
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simp guy looks at him and looks back at the people and no one's
clapping. And he starts clapping rapidly.
And then everyone starts clapping for him.
And it's like. He you could just see the
awkward all over. His face and it just reminded me
so much of how a man not saying all, all autistic people can't
do improv. Obviously the guys from on the
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spectrum, like they do that. It's like part of their thing
and they're good at it. But like it just in that moment,
you could see that a he was not prepared.
He was not expecting this. So he was caught off guard.
And then he went up there and was meant to give this like
emotionally charged pep talk to these men.
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And he was like, the most I got is a quip that I don't
understand. Big smile, walk away.
Do you know what I mean? Like that's all I've got.
He's like, nailed it. Nailed it the complete unaware
that he is that he just totally fucked that up and thought he
nailed it was hilarious. So I don't know he just he he
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tickled me through the whole thing.
Granted, he was, it was so funnybecause we hate, obviously we
hate what he's doing, right? Like we can't stand.
Effect like, yeah, because, like, OK, we completely
understand in the very beginningof like, and, or because this
is, if you don't know, like, and, or takes place five years
before Rogue One. So he's not like this rebellion
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hero that we know yet. And so Andor's kind of an
asshole. He just kills these like,
granted he, these two guys, likeaccost him, like just, they,
they follow him out of the brothel, like 'cause Andor went
to the brothel to find his sister.
And so these two guys fought like follow them out.
And I was just giving him a hardtime and he killed one by
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accident and then killed the other because 'cause they're,
they're like struggling over theblaster.
And then he killed the other because it's like, well, fuck.
And I got a witness. And so Andorra's not the best
person. So if you were to look at this
as if like, 'cause this guy's not really part of the Empire at
this point, like Cyril. And so he, if you kind of take
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the context out of this, it is, it would be like, he would be
the good guy in situation. He's like, well, this guy did a
double murder, double homicide. I got to find him.
I apparently work with corrupt cops who don't want to deal with
this investigation, so I got to take it upon myself to be the
good cop out of the bunch and investigate.
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But because he basically then turns into a little space Nazi,
we feel a little conflicted. It's like, because, because
Andor is a bit like, is the heroof the show, right?
It's like. We say he's our favorite space.
Fascist. Yeah, we he's like our poor old
space fascist baby. Oh no.
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And then he just doesn't get it.It's, it's like those things.
It's like it's kind of like, andI told Nikki when we were
watching it, she hasn't seen House of Cards, but it's kind of
like in House of Cards where themain character, Frank Underwood,
he basically he's the bad guy, but you kind of want to see him
succeed. This is kind of like this.
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It's like we know we don't want Cyril to succeed because that
mean like obviously he can't because it's like if he succeeds
and probably puts Andor and kills indoor, then Rogue One
wouldn't happen. So it's like we know like
nothing really happened to Andorlike permanently.
But it's also like you feel bad for the guy because he seemed,
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he's so earnest and his like sense of justice just makes him
so like in a way endearing because it's like, we get it,
like you're there's something that you can't let go.
That is the good thing to do. But no one's listening to you.
Everyone, everyone was like fuckthat.
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And on the flip side of this coin, right, how many times have
our well-intentioned missions ended up causing more harm than
good, right? Like because we can't let it go
because we are are so drilled inand so focused on what we think
the outcome should be. We're refusing to think long
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term on what the, what the aftereffects of that might be or how
it makes how it would affect anybody else in the situation.
Because by him not letting this go, he got the.
Corporate control of his sector or his planet or whatever
Morlana 1 is, I don't remember, taken away.
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Now the Empire runs back too. And people died.
Like lots of people died becausehe couldn't let it go.
And so while he was trying to avenge or get justice for two
deaths that occurred, he ended up causing countless other
deaths. OK, countless other deaths,
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innocent people dying and soldiers and people who work for
him dying. Like people in Fairyx that
didn't need to die. They didn't need to die.
They had nothing to do with was with what was going on here.
He was interrogating people and causing fear and like it, it
went too far right? And like, I know I can relate
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about becoming a fucking monsterover some shit that I just know
it's right. It's the right thing to do, it's
the right thing to do and it should be done.
But you get so wrapped up in it that you forget that like just
because you think it's the rightthing to do doesn't necessarily
mean that it is the right thing to do.
Like, you might feel convicted on something, but in the grand
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scheme of things, is it truly what's for the greater good in
the moment? And honestly, no, for this
situation, it was not. He ended up really fucking
things up for so many people andcosting people their lives.
So it's that fine line of like, how much of this is like a, a
good, a sense of justice and a well-intentioned thing to be
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upset about? And how much of this is a
vendetta or a mission that you are so hell bent on seeing
through that you don't care who it hurts in the process or
you're blind to who it might hurt in the process?
And I think that that's something that is very easy to
get wrapped up in in our community, just in humanity in
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general. But like, especially people in
our in our community, I do end up seeing a lot of
well-intentioned people end up causing like, especially on
social media, This is obviously not people not causing people to
die or anything like that. It's not what I'm talking about.
But like our community really does try to push for inclusivity
and acceptance for everybody, right?
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Because what we want, we want tobe accepted, we want to be
included, we want to be understood.
We want to be, you know, given the space to be ourselves,
right? But then there's some social
media accounts that I've had to quietly walk away from, you
know, walk away from my feed because they will accept no
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dissenting fucking viewpoint whatsoever.
No opposite viewpoint at all. No.
Well, hey, you, maybe, you know,I appreciate this, but have you
thought about it from this lens?The second that you offer even
the smallest thing in the most well-intentioned way that is
against what they believe, you get blocked or called names or
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whatever. And it's like, that's not the
point of education. You don't.
If you're trying to educate people and you're trying to
bring people together and you'retrying to be inclusive, you have
to include the people who disagree with you.
You have to right 'cause like, how the fuck else are you
supposed to maybe potentially, you know, educate them further
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and learn something from them orteach something to them while in
turn also maybe learning something from them?
Guess what? If you're the smartest person in
the room, you need to find another fucking room.
Like there's something wrong. Like there's something wrong.
There's no person in the room. Yeah, no, cause and we're not
talking about like saying like abhorrent shit either.
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We're talking about like for forinstance, this was years ago.
It just kind of reminded me it like a friend of mine.
This is when like the not to getlike political like this is like
when the Trump and Hillary thingwas going on, like before Trump
was elected the first time in 2016.
And I remember a friend of mine who was a Hillary supporter and
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I, you know, I voted for Hillary.
So it but he had posted something, I can't remember, you
know, it's been almost 10 years,but he he had posted something
and then like his friend was like very militant in her
opinion. Like, if you did not 100%
support Hillary, then she wantedfucking nothing to do with you.
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And I didn't know this. Like, I just know her from my
friend's post. Like, she would be posting stuff
and she, I remember, oh, it was,yeah, it was like right after
the election, 'cause I remember posting my friend's like, like
commenting my friend's post saying something like, like not
even replying to her, just on myfriend's post saying, yeah, I
kind of had like, I kind of heldmy nose up and voted for
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Hillary, but I ended up doing it.
And my friend, who was a very ardent Hillary supporter,
appreciate that He's like, well,you know, even if you didn't
like Hillary, you still vote forher, you know, whatever, blah,
blah. And then, well, this girl, this
girl had wanted nothing to do with it was like, and eventually
it got to the point where my friend unfriended her because
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she was like attacking me because she was like, what do
you mean? You held your like?
And then I'm like, I still votedfor her.
Why are you like? Am I supposed to agree with
everything? If.
Someone does like, I don't agreewith everything any politician
does. So and so she was just very like
mad. And so like that just kind of
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reminded me of it's like, you can't like that doesn't leave
room for conversation if you just attack somebody the second
they say something in your mind that's out of line.
So it's it's that sort of thing.Yeah.
Or like looping it back around to like Cyril.
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Had he maybe stopped and consulted other people about
what he was thinking about doing, saying listen, this just
happened, I don't feel like it'sright, What would you do?
Like had he stopped and thought about it?
Especially 'cause he was, how inexperienced he was.
Like he was not a leader at thispoint.
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He was 'cause obviously, like, he, he, he's one of those guys.
Like, yeah, he was second in command, but he's more of a guy
that works in the background, which is another thing I kind of
like saw myself in. So it's like, yeah, I'm more,
I'm not a leader at all. Like it like it, like you said,
if I was like someone just randomly like, OK, make a
speech, I'll be like, what? Yeah.
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So it's so like he's more working in the background.
But yeah, go on. Yeah, like had he stopped and
maybe consulted with somebody onthis or even talked to a couple
people? Like, listen, am I off base
here? Is this wrong?
Like, what do we do, you know, like instead of and, and
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listening to all the opinions, instead of just going with the
first simp who was like, we needto do things about this, you
know, like he stopped at opinion#1 which was, I think you're
doing the best thing you could ever possibly do.
Go get them. Do you know what I mean?
Like ignore what your commandingofficer told you to do and go do
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it anyway, right? Like there is something to be
said from for doing what you know to be right even if nobody
else will, right? Like, I get it, he was very
well-intentioned, OK, but it wasit was not a good outcome.
But he, he just didn't go back the right way 'cause even after
he loses his job from this, he go like, he goes back to have to
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live with his mom who is an absolute bitch.
And, and there's like there's a point, there's always just one
little point I want to talk about later about like him and
his mom and like even, and then when he finds like Dedra, the
ISP officer and also like also investigating Andor, like he
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even like she also was after Andor.
He's like, but here's here's theinformation like my, my here's
the information that my community officer didn't let me
put in the report and and even she was like, OK, you gotta let
us go now. Just yeah, well, worked.
We took, worked, worked. We took over this investigation
and he did not. He was like, no, fuck that.
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Like he was even kind of like towards the end of the of the
first season, like a little bit scary.
Like he like took like when cuz when they were like the last two
episodes when they were on ferrets trying to catch Andor,
like he was there like in disguise cuz he was there for
his own personal vendetta at this point.
And she was there And I'm like amore official empire capacity.
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Like he like dragged her and like pulled her into the like a
room and like basically demandedthat she listened to him.
And it's just that's kind of like where he went off.
Like he was already at off on the deep end at that point.
But that's when it's like reallyapparent because she even.
Like he was an American at that point.
Yeah, yeah, he was. He was she even like he even
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scared her and she was usually cool, calm and collected and he
was like, no, like you will listen to me.
And so it was, it was that's, that's like, that's why we're
like he's endearing at 1st and we totally see like where he's
coming from because at the beginning he was right.
Like he was right. And then like it just kind of
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his inexperience, his inability,like he had very black and white
thinking. There was no Gray areas to be
had. And so that's why we're like,
yeah, he has the touch of the tism, this little, our little,
our little space Nazi little touch of the tism.
That's unfortunate. And it got me to thinking.
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It just got me. Like mine's more like this is
kind of like I even was thinkingabout this earlier.
Would autistic people and granted, we're not a monolith.
We don't have the same opinions.We don't all have the same like
thoughts and whatever and views and morals.
So I'm not, this is not me saying that it's more of like a
it like especially at the beginning of the empire, would
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an autistic person feel they like, would they feel more
comfortable as part of the Empire, like say a cog in the
wheel of like cog in the in the machine of the empire?
Or would they be more of a rebel?
Because it's like you can see itboth ways because like a rebel,
like a rebellion, it's like that's like the sense of justice
thing. But obviously, like the Empire
doesn't see, they see the rebelsas terrorists.
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And so where the at the time theEmpire represented law and
order, like black and white thinking.
So it's like what like And so that just got me thinking like
what an antistic person do better in the Empire or they do
better in the Rebellion? I think it would depend on what
side of the fence their personalbeliefs and personality fell on.
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Cause there was another character in and or that I
wanted to talk about, but he didn't have enough of a
storyline on his own to really have a full episode.
So we can kind of touch on him here.
But he was part of the rebellionand he made it like his mission
to understand every little nuanced thing.
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He a detailed log book of all ofthis.
Information. Yeah, yeah.
And he could recall shit off thetop of his head and spit it out
to you like it like a like a human encyclopedia.
He just retained and remembered and could regurgitate
information like nobody's fucking business.
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And he was so passionate and bright and full of like, love
for the rebellion and for that mission.
He was basically the epitome of a revolutionary like.
He really was. Yeah, very passionate, very,
very like think of like people that would write during like the
French Revolution, like the the art, like the artist, the
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authors, whatever He's he's basically that like he's, he's a
philosopher, that sort of thing.Yeah, and he would be.
Oh God, why is that leaving my head?
The person that would follow people and write down the
stories that they had, What is it?
Called oh, like like a Bard or like a like a yeah, yeah, kinda
like a person. Yeah, they're, they're like the,
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the, I can't remember like the official title they would have,
but yeah, they're basically likethey would the the storyteller.
Like they're the ones that like would follow people around and
make sure like the the Chronicle, like they, they would
chronicle everything. Yes, so and like it.
It was just all of his thoughts on things and and what he would
remember, what he would see it he was.
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So he was very anti Cyril. But they both had the same level
of passion. They both had the same love for
what they were doing. They both were very blinded by
their sides of the story, right?And ultimately, it didn't end up
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working out for the one guy. But like, I can, I think it, it
all just depends. Because again, like you said,
we're not a monolith. And we're also not saying that
because we feel like Cyril Karn is autistically coded, that
autistic people are scary and can go off the deep end and can
like choke people and drag them into rooms and shit.
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That's not what I'm talking about.
That's not what we're trying to say.
I feel like that should be pretty explicit at this point,
considering we're two autistic adults talking about this.
But we're just going to say it for those who might be hearing
us for the first time. This is just picking and
choosing some things from this character that made us feel
like, yes, he's probably got a touch with the tism, right?
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But it was very two sides of thesame coin.
Like you had Cyril, who, again, started with the best intentions
and ended up really ruining things for himself and a lot of
other people. And then you had this other guy
with the same level of passion, but on the opposite side of the
coin, who ended up really movingthings forward.
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And. Hiring yeah, inspired Andor and
and well, and with his writings and teachings will inspire lots
of people to come after him. Right.
Because his his writings were preserved because spoiler alert,
Season 1, if you haven't seen it, he dies.
OK. And when he died, he told
somebody that if he died, he wanted Andor to have that book
because Andor at the time wasn'treally in it for the rebellion.
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He was just for money. He was in it for money, Yeah.
And he was also in it because hehe wanted to find his sister.
He wanted to help with things and.
His mom and everything like he wanted to, he wanted to
disappear because at this time he knew he was wanted for
murder. And he's, he's like, I just, I
need to go. I just need to find a planet and
just live my life. Yeah.
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And Luthan, who is like one of the big leaders of the
Rebellion, offered him this opportunity, and that's how they
met. And the opportunity was to help
in a mission for the rebellion. That's how he met this guy.
So but because he I think that guy saw something in him, right?
That was like, I know he'll get it at some point.
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He gave him that book and it really inspired him, right?
So I think again, it all goes back to like, who who are you on
the inside? What personality traits do you
carry? Do you have, how far down the
rabbit hole are you willing to go?
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Right. And that's a human experience on
every end of life. It's not just got to do with
autism. It's got to do with just a human
experience in general. Because you don't have to be
autistic to be so blinded by your mission that you end up
hurting people along the way, not caring what happens, right?
But again, just the little things that we saw that made us
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go. I stop the Tesaman me recognizes
the Tesaman You right? Like recognizes like OK game.
Recognizes game OK. And.
I've seen this before in myself.I have seen me want to do
something very well-intentioned and it end up not going very
well for me because I couldn't let something go or I wouldn't
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listen. You know, I talked about
something last year that happened where because I
couldn't let something go, I ended up losing a group of
friends. And so because I because and I,
I even told Nikki, I said I didn't feel like if I wasn't
autistic. I maybe I'm not saying like, not
as if people don't let stuff go.It's just, I feel like it's
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harder for us because it's more like hardwired, at least for me.
Like it's hard for me to let stuff go and it's very, it's
hard for me to like to like forgive and forget.
Like I, I can forgive easily andI've done it all my life.
It's more of the forgetting thing like I have, but it's so
like, because like, so that's like one way I related to Cyril.
Like not as much as I don't wantto relate to a, a, a space, you
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know, fascist with, with space autism, but I, yes, yes, we, we
love letting space everything when it comes to like Star Wars.
Like look at he's eating space milk and you know, like we're
drinking space milk and he's, he's wearing his like space
outfit. And it's just, but I've like,
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I've lost friends because like, I couldn't let stuff go.
And there's like this happened just last year where I, I lost
like a group of like, like, likepeople that I was hanging out
with. I was no longer welcome to hang
out with because I couldn't let something go.
And like, Speaking of and like, 'cause I, I kind of like brought
the milk thing. This is like the thing I kind of
bring up earlier where because after he lost his job, he had to
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live with his he got to go back to Coruscant and live with his
mom, who is a terrible person. Like she, she is awful.
And there and this is my little head cannon, my little I'm
putting I'm I am forcing autism on this character.
And this is like another reason why he is, and this is like I
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said, this is just my head cannon, my, my like.
And this is not what the creators intended.
But every time we see him with his mom, even in like a couple,
like a scene or something in, inseason 2, I think he he's always
eating cereal. And so you could say like,
that's like his mom doesn't knowhow to cook.
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And so that's all he eats when he's at home.
My thought process is that's hishyper fixation meal.
So it's the safe food. It's the safe food because like,
like I said, there's like there's this one little thing in
season 2, no spoilers at all because at first it's like you
could also see it. He doesn't, he doesn't know how
to cook And so he's just making himself cereal because he he
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doesn't know how to cook him. But no, there is a scene.
There's a time in season 2 he makes a full blown meal and
everything like a cute a cute little puff pastry or whatever
it is. Like he makes like the full
course meal with like appetizer meal like entree and dessert.
It's like, OK, so my little headcandidate is OK.
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He does know how to cook. It's not he's not eating cereal
because it always to cook. That's his safe food And that's
like that's the only thing. Like it's also like because it's
he doesn't. Also it doesn't bother his mom I
think because she never really makes mention of it like that he
only eats he's only eating that like at least I I don't remember
she ever makes mention that he'sthere eating cereal which I feel
like. Yeah, she pours it for him.
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Yeah. And so like I feel like she,
like I said in my head, she recognizes my son, even though I
treat him like shit and I like belittle him and any chance I
get, I'm not bringing up the fact that he only eats cereal
when we're together. And so that's like my little, my
little, my little thing. And so it's just, it's, it's so
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funny, 'cause like he obviously wants to, he, it's, it's kind of
hard because he's kind of like infantilized by his mom, which
happens a lot with autistic people.
They're infantilized because shesees him as like this little
child that can't do anything right.
Like she berates him for his choice to want to become a cop.
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It seems like I'm more a lot of 1.
And she's like, why don't you just stay here?
Why don't you just, you know, your Uncle Harlow, like he can
get you a job here. And it's just, it's it's also
like, like I said, it's one of those scenes where I like when
at first, when we first beat her, it's just like, oof.
I definitely see myself in Cyrilhere where he's like like
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someone doesn't see his full potential, this person being his
mom, where he like he has this mission.
He still doesn't let it go and she's just putting him down at
every step of the way like no matter what he does.
And so he eventually his uncle Harlow does give him a job in
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what my opinion is the most hellscape like place, which just
looks like basically like corporate, like corporate
America, like corporate society where he just lives in his
little cubicle among this thousand other cubicles in the
room. All the big lights are on, so
many big lights. And so I'm like, that must make
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him like that would make me go extra.
Bright in there. It's extra fucking bright, so
monochromatic, so like, and for some people like this might be
like, Oh yeah, like it it for, for him, this is hell.
And this would be, this would behell for me too.
And I mean, for different reasons, obviously, because it's
like he just feels like he's whittling away his potential in
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this room. Whereas to me, I'm just, I, I
put myself in it. I'm like, I mean, if I had a, if
I had this job in this little cubicle among 1000 other
cubicles, I would just just killme.
Just kill me at this point. Like I don't care.
Yeah, it's basically his own version of hell for sure.
And you can see it on his face that he hates it and isn't it?
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Doesn't one point he like asks the person that brings him
whatever he's supposed to be, like filing and organizing
things or whatever? And doesn't he ask them?
Like, why do we do this just to then destroy them?
Wouldn't it make more sense justto do it this way?
And he goes, listen, we're already like, this is just the
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way we do things, just move on. And that immediately irritated
me because I'm like, oh God, notonly is he in this giant big
room with all these bright ass lights, but now he's like, look,
this is highly inefficient and repetitive and unnecessary.
There is a better way to do this.
And they're like, just shut up and do it and.
Walk away and he's like no. And then that's when he gets
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like, I'm, I'm not sure if that's before that scenes before
or after he talks to Dedra, 'cause he, she like 'cause he
basically he's taking these inquiries about Andor like she's
like you're he's yeah, 'cause she's like, you've made five
like, like, like he like 5 probes of information.
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Like you made five requests For more information about this
situation. He goes 6.
I made one this morning. Yeah, it's direct, the authority
figure in front of you, because you don't recognize that it's
higher than you. And like he, he obviously like,
he, it's like he doesn't do wellwith authority.
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It's just he's, he's got this like urge.
She's like, I gotta correct them.
He's like, I can't, like I can'tlike it's the whole letting
things go like I have to. But you're.
Wrong. I have to make sure you have the
right information. Yeah.
Like, I have to tell you why you're wrong.
Like, yeah, 'cause. And at first she, like, does
humor him a little bit because she does, like, squashes hopes
and dreams of like, you know, we're just gonna be this, this
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cool, like badass, like partnersto get rid of Andor.
And she's like, listen, slow your roll.
I understand that your commanderhad you lie in the report.
And so, like, I had you tell me everything that was in the
report. But you are not equipped for
this. You are not trained for this.
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This is not your role. And he's just like, oh, fuck no.
Yeah. So again someone tells him no
and he's like bet bitch he doesn't.
He says a personal offense. Right.
Takes it as a challenge and saysbet bitch and does it anyway.
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So yeah, he's a fucking mess andhe's a little.
He's our little space fascist and we love him and hate him all
at the same time. Yeah, we don't.
We don't want him to win, but wealso, it's like we want to
succeed. Like we want him to get what he
wants, but we know he can't get what he wants because then the
show won't happen. And it's also because, like in
the end, he is the bad guy because he does eventually work
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for the Empire, like granted, inlike a very grunt sort of
manner, but he does really like the empire towards the end
because it's like they, they, they eventually they see him.
They, they, they see. So I feel like that's what he
gravitates swords like, oh, these people see me.
These people get me. And so eventually that's, that's
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what that's what gets him like towards like the side of the
bad, like he started off as like.
You know, like chaotic neutral like or no?
Like like lawful like like like lawful neutral in a way like
he's, he's very like, this is the right thing to do.
But he's also like, OK, I guess like, but towards the end he's
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very like lawful evil. And so he's very lawful evil
because like, he doesn't start off as evil.
He starts off as like, this is the, this is the right thing to
do. This guy murdered people and we
got to take him in. But he just goes about it all in
the wrong way. And he's like, he's very chaotic
lawful, like, you know, that sort of thing.
And so out of like out of the context of Star Wars, he would
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be the good guy. He would be the good guy.
He'd be going everything up on the wrong way, but he would be
the good guy if he took out everything about like if you
took these people out like this situation out of the Star Wars
universe, he would be the good guy.
And so it's like, 'cause he, he wants to catch the bad guy in
his mind and it it and it's basically like definitively
Andor is the bad guy in the situation.
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So like. He's a bad guy in a lot of
situations, actually. Yeah, he, he like, he is.
He's like basically the epitome of like, like to take a quote
from the second season, which isalso is still not a spoiler.
Oh, So what you're saying is your rebel is my terrorist.
And so that sort of thing like and my terrorist is your rebel.
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And so it's it's very real worldlike implications as well.
Yeah, for sure. I feel like these newer ones are
very good at that. We kept looking at each other
and go how fitting, like yeah and season. 2.
Is even way more like they. Knew yeah, it's it's season 2.
There is like especially an episode where it's like it's
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like, did you guys time travel to right now?
Because like the writers, because obviously you guys wrote
this and filmed this like a yearago at least.
And so I'm like there was just stuff that was happening.
I'm like it's like almost like, oh, this is so strange.
And of course, like some people on the Internet, they're like,
how dare they get like politicaland all this.
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Like, you understand, they wrotethis like a year ago.
Right. And the whole thing is about two
warring ideologies, which is ancient.
Yeah, like this is not a new. Story, like rebellion, is not a
new story, OK? He has been rebelling, rebelling
since like the dawn of time, OK?So.
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But yeah, so overall it so if you guys haven't seen Andor, I
mean gradually just spoiled the hell out of season 1, but you
should anyway because it's so like fucking good.
It's seriously some of the best Star Wars, even like outside of
like basically, like I said, we're just talking about like
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the nerd of urgency, like in thecharacters that we see.
But like as a story. I I highly recommend Andor and
the like I said, the last three episodes just came out the day
we're recording this, I think, which is Tuesday the 13th, May
13th. But so that's that's all I got,
I think on Cyril. Would you have any other points?
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Nope, I. Think that's it?
Yeah, that's like I said, this is this whole like kind of like
series we're going to do on likethis topic where and like it,
like we said last last episode, we're kind of like doing like a
rotation of topics like a. And so we're like they're a
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divergent city, like they're a divergent in media.
This is just our own take. So you could see Cyril and not
see a single lick of autism, like or just say that's not what
the creators intended. That's not what he was written.
Like, that's not why he was written.
It's like, OK, we don't, this isjust our interpretation.
Like, we're fine with that. And we said at the beginning
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like, we don't, we don't feel that they wrote him this way on
purpose. Like we don't feel that this was
intentional. This is just things we see that
we feel like have a call back toneurodivergency in some way.
Doesn't have to be intentional by any means.
That's the whole point of this fucking episode.
It's an exercise, it's a thought.
It's a thought. Thought experiment is what it
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is. It's a fun little thought
experiment. So all right, let's let's hit
the phone and fuckery. We got a question and a Jeremy
update Part 2 coming in hot. Here we go.
(50:47):
All right, made it to the other side.
All right. Question first or Jeremy update
first. Let's do question first.
All right, cool. Let's, let's see if the universe
has a specific one in mind for us today.
(51:10):
OK, some shuffling, some ASMR. Oh, look at that one.
Flew out. See what it is?
02 flew out. Well, those are stupid.
What's wrong with you universe? Fuck you, universe.
Shit together, I don't think. Hold on.
(51:32):
I think maybe. Yes.
I think we have the. I think I have the wrong.
I think my shit got like shoved together somehow when I was
cleaning things. Here we go.
All right, this is the bit I want.
(51:52):
Let's try again. She she sucks at shuffling.
I do. OK, let me see of these four,
which one I like best. Let's see.
No. OK, we could.
That's a possibility. Nope.
(52:15):
Because I don't read. OK.
No. All right.
Cool. This one it is.
I'm not cultured and I don't read, so we're not going to talk
about those other shoes. All right, so here's our
question from the universe todayas picked by me.
The universe gave us options. We just chose chose the options
(52:35):
as filtered by me. What is one thing you are most
looking forward to in the next decade?
Like technology wise, life wise,like what are we talking about?
Whatever. Whatever, whatever.
What However you want to take that however you want to spin
(52:58):
it? I guess like in terms like life
wise, because at this, you know,at this point in time still
unemployed, which is like a likea Gray area for me right now
'cause it's either like it's either negative nor positive for
me right now. But I guess like, you know,
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getting a job like I would like,granted this is like a
hypothetical, like getting a jobI enjoy and like traveling more.
It's like I would like to like do some more traveling.
So I would like to, at least in this next decade, you know,
'cause I would like to, I guess,just travel more so.
(53:40):
OK. Yeah, I would like to because
like obviously like so next decade because like so I guess I
think technology wise, I'm not sure.
I'm like I was telling Nikki yesterday, I'm very boomer when
it comes to some technology where some of it I'm just like,
yeah, you guys can have the technology, I'm just not here
for it. So I couldn't even imagine what
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kind of technology you would have because like, obviously
like they thought about the year2000, we have flying cars and
all that shit or like robots taking care of us, which we kind
of do have. Like we do have kind of robots,
but I'm talking like Rosie the robot from like the Jetsons,
that sort of thing. But yeah, I think, I guess like
my boring answer is just like, just like stuff that I've, I've
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been wanting to do more of like I would be, I would like to do
that more in the decade. I know that's not really like,
what am I looking forward to? Because obviously it's, it's, I
guess that's just a manifestation.
That's like my manifestation. What about you?
I feel like mine's similar but like I feel like I'm really
(54:46):
starting. Like I don't know about.
I don't know about y'all, but I don't feel like I've ever grown
up yet. I feel like like now's like the
time where I feel like I'm starting to actually grow up and
like actually know what I want and what I like and like what
feels good to me and what's like, I've been able to filter
(55:07):
out a lot of the like outside worldly noise, you know, and
just sort of listen to like who I am and what I want in my life.
So I'm kind of excited to continue to explore that a
little bit. I'm pumped for 40, right?
Like that would happen in the next decade.
I'm ready because listen, my 30shave been nothing but like
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getting more and more authentically me, right?
I don't even want to know how fuck off 40 is going to be like,
do you know what I mean? Like how like solidified I'm
going to be by 40, hopefully in in I mean like in my own
personal, like my own personal, what am I trying to say in my
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identity? Like solidified in my identity.
Do do I really know what else will be happening in the next
decade? No, because I always have this
plan that I want to move, but then like life, always life's
and then that doesn't happen. So I think I've sort of given up
on the idea of moving and like if it and I have the opportunity
presents itself great. But I'm sort of like going to
(56:13):
stop thinking about that for a while because I just, it's just
not happening right now. So like mental energy on it?
It's not in the cards. Yeah, yeah, it's not in the
cards right now unless the housing market has some insane
boom before Bliss starts high school and we're able to sell
(56:35):
this house and get out of it. And Jordan, it's like Jordan can
find like the perfect job somewhere else because that's
another thing, like, I don't work, so he has to support us.
So we have to be wherever the money is.
So it I could be ideally wantingto live somewhere, but if
there's not any money there, then we can't fucking do that.
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So so yeah, I don't know, just kind of becoming more of me and
unapologetically me. Yeah.
Yeah. And growing my hair back out.
We're going to let her keep going.
In 10 years. I'm not chopping.
I always say I'm not chopping you off again.
I probably will, but I want to let it grow back out.
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I liked the short thing. It was fun.
I'm glad I did it. I think everyone should
experience having intensely short hair in our life and just,
you know, throwing caution to the wind and picking up the
buzzers and calling it a day. But I'm over it and I want my
locks back. And by locks I mean hair.
(57:43):
Just hair. Not like dreadlocks.
I never had dreadlocks. That would be awful looking on
me. Some people can rock it.
I'm not her. Just want my pretty blonde hair
back, OK, That's all I want anyway.
That's it. That's boring as shit.
That's what I have for you. Let's talk about Finnegan, huh?
Yeah, I said I was going to talkabout sympathy, but I have not
(58:04):
yet finished up with her character.
Listen, I don't know what it is about.
I am so fucking uninspired by her character.
Like, I created the fashion, right?
And like, I gave her a job and everything, but like, I just
don't, I can't think of a fucking storyline for her.
(58:25):
Like, what is her life? What is she doing?
She just didn't get a lot of attention in the original story.
Like what did you say? A lot of back story.
On her it's kind of like she was, she's more like a foil for
Finnegan and and like Binky and stuff and in a way like she's
supposed to be the more mature of them, but then she also kind
of like fucked off and did her own things at times.
Right, She turned to the Mystic Princess of Evil, if you
(58:46):
remember at one point, and triedto kill them all.
So like it. Can hold a sword at some point
and like some free. I don't remember, but yeah, she
she was always kind of like character that we didn't have
like a whole lot of back story for her because she kind of like
joined the group when the group was already formed.
(59:07):
I think she was like the last time to join besides like
Velvet. No, she was.
She was actually the first one. Oh really?
I'm about making sure many of uswere around already before she
showed. Up.
Nope, he met sympathy first. Oh, OK, see, that's how little
back story she had. Because we never really gave
her. It was never fleshed out.
(59:27):
It was meeting her and then likeimmediately meeting Finnegan and
Binky I think in the next episode.
And that was like. And think he started out and
think he started out as Jeremy'scat.
Like no, Binky was Finnegan's cat.
Think he's Finnegan's cat, right?
Because Finnegan's cat. And then like it would like get
him stuff. Yeah, so.
He would go out and retrieve things for him before he would
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go and quest right? He would go get magic balls is
what Binky was supposed to go get for Finnegan.
He was his companion and then heended up being a big hero in the
story. Man, we love being.
He's one of my favorite ones to play with alongside of Finnegan
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because he is just he's very fleshed out and I just have this
like connection with his character because he's a big
happy mother fucker, right? He's just happy to fucking be
here and. I love it, but we'll get into
Binky another day. Let's talk about Finnegan's hoe
ass. He he now in The Sims.
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It's called Finnegan fainting because if you remember, he was
Finnegan the fainting goat. Yep, he has he has white hair
and white goatee because of course he does.
He's a goat partner is never going to happen because he ho
children. We put oh I'm sorry sexuality is
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pan. We've talked about this before.
He is pansexual. He is DTF.
He's 24/7, 365. Like Deadpool is, is Canon, like
Marvel Canon pansexual. So yeah, like very chaotic.
Very. That's saying all people are
chaotic. It's just they are chaotic.
Characters, he is modeled after Deadpool and because the
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storyline paints him as a very chaotic character, right, like
his original storyline that we end up finding out he was very
the chaotic kind of come and go.He would fuck off on a side
quest and come back. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He really was. He really was giving big
mercenary vibes. So he was sort of model after
Deadpool, kind of a hoe. Children.
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I put unsure. I I will say, I will say like if
he does, cuz I know he's a hoe, but like you're talking about
last time, like if he gets like with Freya and stuff, he's he's
spinning in the thing to go Freya the fox.
I feel like all their kids should have F names at that
point. Oh, for sure.
We'll get there. Listen, this is the slow burn on
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those two because again, he's a hoe.
And if you remember, Freya was apart of the Liberator crew that
comes in towards the end of the Chronicles of Jeremy and they
we're going to get into it simply because it's part of his
character. He is fucking obsessed with her.
OK, obsessed with her. The storyline is that it's been
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that way for fucking ever, right, But again, ho non
committal can't handle it. So he just never does anything
about it. And at first he like wouldn't
deal with her at all. Like, even though he was
obsessed with her, he like wouldn't let her know and didn't
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want to like have that because he had, even though he was a
hoe, he had enough respect for her.
He's like the first person he's ever really respected was her.
And so he started feeling these things that were new to him.
I was like, what's his feeling? What's his feeling?
What's his feeling? Yeah, it was.
She brought a new, a new feelinginto his world, which was, he
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later finds out, his love, right?
He's in love with her because heends up talking to Binky about
it. And Binky's like, yeah, stupid
Fuck. That's called love.
You love her like we all saw it.We're we're not stupid.
He thinks nobody knows. OK.
Like he thinks nobody knew. He's he's very oblivious.
He thought nobody could see it, Right.
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And he finds out from Binky thatshe loves him too and has said
so. But again, he's a hoe.
So she was like, fuck it. She learned to like put up the
wall, right? Like it's a thing.
I always will care about him, but I can't go there with me.
Can't. Make a can't make a like a a
housewife out of hoe or whatever.
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Can't turn a hoe into a housewife, right?
So like Finnegan cannot be changed and and he would fuck
off so often that he was also unreliable.
And like she just saying about that she about that life, right?
And she's her own life. She's also fucking off and doing
shit all the time. She's like big, big shapeshifter
witch energy, right? She's got her own shit to do.
She's constantly on these adventures and shit with them.
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And Finnegan would just go off on side quests all the time
without them. So she was like, fuck him, I
don't have time for this shit. I'm doing my own shit.
He won't commit by bitch, I don't have time for you.
So there was always this distance, right?
But they were both obsessed witheach other and didn't want to
admit it. OK, so we're working on this.
We're working on this in the game, We're working on getting
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them from fuck you to fucking, OK?
Like that's what we're doing. And the fucking has happened.
We made it there, their love baris already there, but we're not
allowing the relationship right now, OK?
This Finnegan's still hoeing andFreya still don't trust his ass.
So we've got a lot of work to doon Mr. Finnegan.
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And if he hurts her, she can just cast, you know, turn him
into a frog or something. Listen, listen, I I don't think
he can hurt her because she's gotten to this place with him
where she's so unbothered by whatever he's doing that it just
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doesn't faze her. She just has accepted him fully
for who he is. And it's the only way she can
really like that it would ever work out is because she accepts
like all of the terrible things about him as worse and loves him
anyway, right? Like, so there's not much he
could really do to hurt her at this point because he's already
done it all right? She's seen it all.
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She's been there for it all. She's experienced it all right.
And he's also just stupid. He's just stupid.
He's a he's a stupid oblivious man, OK?
And he needs to figure his life out and knows that before he
will like be willing to commit to her.
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So he's working on himself. He's a champion gamer.
And he refuses to own a computerat home.
Like won't do it. Hey will not do it.
You want to know why? Because work is work and home is
home. And home is for Hoenn not
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working. He puts the hoe in home.
He puts the hoe in home. Not mixed business and pleasure.
That is the one thing he won't do.
He won't fuck groupies, OK, 'cause he's, he's like, he's
famous, OK? He's like Pewd's level, all
right? We're talking PewDiePie level
famous here. Everybody wants him.
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Nobody can have him. He won't fuck groupies OK, but
he will. He will catch strange anywhere,
but he just won't fuck his groupies.
And he he can, he can tell the difference.
He at least knows. So home is for Helen, work is
for working. So there are no computers in
this man's home. He only games at the office
where it belongs. He currently lives in a
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inherited property that he got from his great great uncle who
is part founder of the town thatthey live in and it's a one
bedroom 1 bath mini mansion. So it looks like a little
mansion but it's not very big onthe inside.
It was like his uncle's like guest house thing next to his
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like in he has like an in and bar or whatever and there was
like a guest house area with like this nice little thing
outside. So that's what he do.
He lived there. He did not bother to change one
fucking thing. There's old ass pictures on the
walls. It doesn't look like a champion
gamer lives there. It looks like he just sleeps
there on the fucking weekends, right, because basically that's
what it is. So that's that is that's his
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thing, right? Like that's Finnegan.
He so again, we'll just quickly go over his traits real quick,
non committal, self absorbed, adventurous.
That is that is Finnegan in a nutshell.
So we're going to continue this this saw GAW, and maybe by the
time we get to Freya we'll have an update on their situation
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ship, but who knows, we'll see. Title show I got for you next
week. We'll probably do Binky because
I think I'm just going to end updoing Sympathy last, OK?
Sympathy is just getting the short end of the stick.
Sorry. About it.
So there's there's a there's a writer's block with sympathy.
Yeah, it's a writer's block. It's fine.
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Create creative block. But you know what?
It's that time. Let's hit the 10's and Julie do
the thing. I'm afraid there are no more
things to do. Julie says we got to go.
So she's the boss. Yeah.
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Sorry about it. If you hated this episode, I'm
sorry. If you missed the point, I'm
sorry. It's if you're like, I don't
like Star Wars, OK, you can haveyour wrong opinion, that's fine.
We love you even though you're wrong yeah, we will see you all
next week. All the podcast you shits in the
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so there's that. All right.
We love you. We got to go.
Goodbye. Bye.
Hi there, Meander. Hi.
How's it going? Good.
We're we're here and I'm itchy. I am too first.
But I I have it's just because I'm an itchy person so that is
what it is. Mine's 'cause I got stupidity
stabbed like 4 times today in the arms with allergy shots.
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How many? How many more do you do you have
to do that? Wow words.
How many more do you? Have to do quite a few.
I am, I have one more dose on this color and then I moved to
yellow, which is one step. I believe it's one step before
(01:01):
red. So yeah.
So I go from blue to yellow to red.
So red is my where I can go. Like I have to do red for a
couple weeks and then after I get to a certain point of red,
then I can go monthly instead ofweekly.
So gotcha. Probably another couple months
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and then I'll go monthly insteadof every week, which is nice
'cause it's getting old having to get stabbed every week so.
Well, the SO at least have. Hopefully after that you'll feel
better in general. And like the we're almost at the
end. So like each time you get a
shot, it's more and more throughout your vial, right?
(01:44):
So like this time it was a lot more serum than last time.
And so obviously it's going to be itchier than last time.
And I have a little, I have a little baby, not little baby,
not on my arm, but it's fine. I'm gonna, I was waiting as long
as humanly possible to hit a Benadryl 'cause I'm like, I have
to go pick up a kid and I don't want to risk it.
(02:05):
So. Where I got to risk it for the
biscuit for the children. You know, I have to take a bit,
I have to at least take a Zyrtechere soon 'cause I don't want to
have any more issues. So.
But anyway, what a what's new with you?
Not much. Literally.
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Literally nothing. My my mind is blank right now
about what's going on in my life.
That's OK. Yep.
By the way, hi, we're a podcast.Yeah, Hi, we're a podcast.
We are two neurodivergent best friends traveling the neuroverse
together because we're living ina neurotypical world and we're
not neurotypical girls. Since Amanda's brain no be
(02:51):
braining I, I guess I will tell you what we're talking about
today. Yeah.
Which is different because usually I'm like, Dang it, what
are we talking about today? But flip the script Tony of
Amanda Break. So today is one of our autism in
the media, our neurodivergency in media, because our
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neurodivergency in the media kind of episodes where where we
make up shit and we pontificate.And we kind of like, yeah, like,
yeah, people we we see in media that we feel are, are on the
spectrum or a little touch the ADHD, like basically we're like
basically traits of ourselves wesee in characters.
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And they may not be written thatway or like it was not intention
of the creators to make this person that way.
It's just we're kind of like, yeah, that person's one of us.
Yeah, Yep. So today I will let you tell
them who we're talking about, who we talking.
About Amander, OK, we kind of teased it a couple weeks ago and
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it's gonna be Cyril Karn from Andor, specifically the first
season of Andor because as we'rerecording this, the last three
episodes of the season 2 of Andor came out.
I have seen the 1st 9 episodes. I haven't seen the last three
yet. Nikki has not seen any of season
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2. So I will if I do reference
anything in season 2, it's goingto be very non spoilery.
It's just kind of to further my point about something I've
noticed in his character, but nothing really.
I won't spoil anything because Iknow like, you know, the season
just literally ended and I know some people want to watch it and
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haven't seen it yet. And so, yeah, no spoilers.
I will 'cause there's one point that I'm, I'm wanna make.
It's not like, you know, during this that I just, it's further
emphasized in Season 2, but it'snot a spoiler at all.
So yeah, I was thinking about that earlier, but that's what
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we're talking about. Cyril Carr.
And he was the, I don't rememberwhat his job title was.
He worked like, he's like a cop,like a corporate security or
something like that. Yeah, he was second.
In command for corporate security on his little sector.
Yeah, more a lot of 1, whatever planet that is and he or if
that's a town, no idea. So yeah, basically he's the one
(05:28):
at. So if you haven't watched,
haven't watched Andor at all anddon't want to, this is going to
be spoilers for at least season 1.
Basically, at the very, very beginning of the first season of
Andor, Andor killed 2 corporate security officers and Cyril
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basically took it upon himself to go after him for it.
So that's who we're talking about today.
Yeah, when? When do we first meet?
It's very early. It's like, it's like one of the
first two episodes. At least we first meet Cyril.
What is the situation Mr. Cyril has found himself in when we
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first are introduced to him? What is happening?
Let's tell the people because this right here was my first
time. I was like, yeah, he, he he
might have touched him. So what?
What's going on with Mr. Cyril when we very first meet him?
Well, I it's been a little bit since I've seen the first couple
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episodes, but for I remember hislike he found out basically that
these two officers were murderedand he takes it to his
supervisor or a super. He's talking with it with a
supervisor, supervisor's like this, this stuff happens.
We don't need to really go in further into it.
There's no reason to investigate.
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They just, they just picked on the wrong person at the wrong
time. And so we'll just put it down as
just bad luck on the job basically.
And he was like, fuck that and fuck no.
He's like, but Sir, we. We got it.
We got to. Investigate like what about like
justice and all this? And that's when like, because I,
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we like recently, like I recently watched season 1 of
Andor. Like when I went to visit Nikki
last month, she had not seen Andor.
So we watched the first season and like we, we clocked him like
in that first scene for like, this guy's got a touch of the
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tism, like. Yeah.
'Cause it's yeah, go ahead his. The inspector was like, 'cause I
just rewatched that clip. I found a clip on YouTube which
we might just, I might see, I might link those in the show
notes so you guys can see what we're talking about.
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I he's like standing there at what I would call parade rest.
So like standing chest out, hands behind, you know, hands
behind their back, whatever. And he's like, basically just
got done telling this man like, this is what happened.
And he expects, right, that his commander guy is going to be
like, well, yeah, let's figure out who did it, right?
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Because like, that's the only logical explanation.
That's the only logical thing todo.
Someone died. We have to figure out what, what
investigate, right? And the captain's like, listen,
I'm about to go to an imperial inspection where they're going
to like look over all of our crime rates and do all this
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stuff. I don't need this right now.
Basically, he's like, I, we don't need this right now.
We're at a bar, which we, they were at a brothel, which we
shouldn't have during their workshift, which shouldn't happen.
And they messed with the wrong man at the wrong time.
So this is going to be chalked up to some accident.
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And we're going to move on, right?
Because we don't need this backlash from the Empire right
now. Because if they find out this
happened, they're going to come in here radar shit, and we're
going to lose our sovereignty basically as a planet.
They're going to come take us over, right?
They're one of the very few corporately run like security
teams left in the in like the Galaxy at this point, OK?
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Because the Empire is taking over everything and so he is
like standing there. And the more that this man is
talking, the more rage is filling behind his.
Eyes like confused rage. Like confused rage.
He's like, what do you mean like?
Yeah, it's the fucking the fucking oh, what's or nuts,
(09:45):
Katniss. Oh, Jennifer Lawrence.
Yeah, yeah. Going what do you mean?
What do you mean? Like the crying?
What do you mean? That's basically what he wants
to do. And the guy, he doesn't say a
word the whole time. The captain goes, do you look
pressed? Is there something you're not
understanding? He goes, I'm trying, Sir.
Meaning like, no, I don't fucking understand, you old son
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of a bitch. This is not right.
Justice must be served. And he's not happy about it.
And so this sets up the stage for his whole storyline
throughout the first season and I'm sure into the second season,
and he is just on a fucking mission to figure out who killed
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these guys because it is not fair that these people were
murdered and nobody gives a shit.
He has to find out why it's not OK.
He can't just sweep it under therug.
It's impossible in his brain. This do not compute, OK?
Does not compute. How could you possibly see two
people were murdered and not do shit about it?
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So what does he do? Goes to meddling, goes to taking
it into his own fucking hands and starts ordering
motherfuckers to do shit becausetechnically he's second in
command and while his little, what you call it, guy is off
doing this, you know, imperial inspection, he is like, well,
(11:15):
while the cat's away. The mice will play.
Right, so he he done played and he started barking order after
order. They eventually figure out that
it was Andor who did it, and nowhe's real pissed.
OK, now this motherfucker's going on man.
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A full on manhunt for Andor and will not let it.
He will not do Elsa, OK. He will not.
He will not channel his inner Elsa and let it let it fucking
go. To the detriment of his career,
basically. Yeah, so because he won't let it
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go, the Empire ends up finding end up finding out.
I don't remember exactly how they ended up finding out but
didn't. Was it because they went to
where Cassian like Cassian's home planet and started
interrogating his family and shit?
Is that how they found out? They also Dedra Desra Miro she
is the ISP officer she's like the in the show she's like the
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blonde lady like the slicked back hair.
From what I remember she they were investigating Andor for a
different reason. That's.
Right, because he had stolen an Imperial Star Path unit,
whatever the fuck that is, and he had stolen this unit and was
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going to sell it to Lutheran, who's like one of the heads of
the rebellion at this time. And so they were looking for
Andor for this reason. And so their their paths kind of
like Dedra and Cyril's paths crossed in that manner.
That's why. They crossed on that planet, on
his home planet, That's right. But.
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From what 'cause I remember his boss did eventually find out he
was still investigating because they went to, Yeah, 'cause they
went to Ferrix, where Andor was.And a lot of shit went down.
Shit got blown up, people got shot.
And so that's when, like, the Empire's like, OK, apparently
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you guys can't take care of yourselves.
You guys are little children. So we'll take, we'll take over
from here. And so that led to Cyril losing
his job because he was so obsessed with finding it already
brought other people into it, 'cause like, 'cause that one
guy, yeah. So that's the next scene where
it's pretty fucking obvious besides the fact he cannot let
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this go, no matter how much it'sit's going to ruin his career.
This is Justin's my favorite. Yeah.
And a sense of just like this, this is like my this is one of
the best scenes. So the guy, one of the guys, he
chooses to go with him like basically volunteered himself to
go with. He could not wait, right.
So they. Basically simping for Cyril.
Right, this ragtag band of folkstogether to go to Farex to find
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Andor, right? And the guy is like briefing
everyone. The the little simp guy is
briefing, briefing everyone about what's gonna happen when
they get there. And Cyril's just kind of
standing there all chuffed, you know, like watching it happen.
And then he turns to Cyril and he goes after you, Sir, your
turn, basically your your turn. You tell him something and he
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can make a speech. Fucking looks at him like a deer
in fucking headlights. You see the fucking life force
drained from his body who's likeOh no improv, I have to.
I was not expecting this. No, like you can just see the
pure fucking terror in his eyes mixed with the fact that he
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knows that he has to be a leaderright now and he can't seem weak
in front of these people, so he gives the most lackluster back
talk in the most monotone voice you have ever fucking heard.
And you can tell by the people listening they're like, what the
fuck is this guy on? And him, one of his signature
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lines, was the most dangerous choice of all.
He's doing nothing. And we're like, the fuck, they
all just started and look at each other and they're like, the
fuck is this guy saying? And then he, he like walks away
with a little smile on his face like our motherfucker did that.
I did that. And then the guy, the little
(15:40):
simp guy looks at him and looks back at the people and no one's
clapping. And he starts clapping rapidly.
And then everyone starts clapping for him.
And it's like. He you could just see the
awkward all over. His face and it just reminded me
so much of how a man not saying all, all autistic people can't
do improv. Obviously the guys from on the
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spectrum, like they do that. It's like part of their thing
and they're good at it. But like it just in that moment,
you could see that a he was not prepared.
He was not expecting this. So he was caught off guard.
And then he went up there and was meant to give this like
emotionally charged pep talk to these men.
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And he was like, the most I got is a quip that I don't
understand. Big smile, walk away.
Do you know what I mean? Like that's all I've got.
He's like, nailed it. Nailed it the complete unaware
that he is that he just totally fucked that up and thought he
nailed it was hilarious. So I don't know he just he he
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tickled me through the whole thing.
Granted, he was, it was so funnybecause we hate, obviously we
hate what he's doing, right? Like we can't stand.
Effect like, yeah, because, like, OK, we completely
understand in the very beginningof like, and, or because this
is, if you don't know, like, and, or takes place five years
before Rogue One. So he's not like this rebellion
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hero that we know yet. And so Andor's kind of an
asshole. He just kills these like,
granted he, these two guys, likeaccost him, like just, they,
they follow him out of the brothel, like 'cause Andor went
to the brothel to find his sister.
And so these two guys fought like follow them out.
And I was just giving him a hardtime and he killed one by
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accident and then killed the other because 'cause they're,
they're like struggling over theblaster.
And then he killed the other because it's like, well, fuck.
And I got a witness. And so Andorra's not the best
person. So if you were to look at this
as if like, 'cause this guy's not really part of the Empire at
this point, like Cyril. And so he, if you kind of take
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the context out of this, it is, it would be like, he would be
the good guy in situation. He's like, well, this guy did a
double murder, double homicide. I got to find him.
I apparently work with corrupt cops who don't want to deal with
this investigation, so I got to take it upon myself to be the
good cop out of the bunch and investigate.
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But because he basically then turns into a little space Nazi,
we feel a little conflicted. It's like, because, because
Andor is a bit like, is the heroof the show, right?
It's like. We say he's our favorite space.
Fascist. Yeah, we he's like our poor old
space fascist baby. Oh no.
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And then he just doesn't get it.It's, it's like those things.
It's like it's kind of like, andI told Nikki when we were
watching it, she hasn't seen House of Cards, but it's kind of
like in House of Cards where themain character, Frank Underwood,
he basically he's the bad guy, but you kind of want to see him
succeed. This is kind of like this.
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It's like we know we don't want Cyril to succeed because that
mean like obviously he can't because it's like if he succeeds
and probably puts Andor and kills indoor, then Rogue One
wouldn't happen. So it's like we know like
nothing really happened to Andorlike permanently.
But it's also like you feel bad for the guy because he seemed,
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he's so earnest and his like sense of justice just makes him
so like in a way endearing because it's like, we get it,
like you're there's something that you can't let go.
That is the good thing to do. But no one's listening to you.
Everyone, everyone was like fuckthat.
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And on the flip side of this coin, right, how many times have
our well-intentioned missions ended up causing more harm than
good, right? Like because we can't let it go
because we are are so drilled inand so focused on what we think
the outcome should be. We're refusing to think long
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term on what the, what the aftereffects of that might be or how
it makes how it would affect anybody else in the situation.
Because by him not letting this go, he got the.
Corporate control of his sector or his planet or whatever
Morlana 1 is, I don't remember, taken away.
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Now the Empire runs back too. And people died.
Like lots of people died becausehe couldn't let it go.
And so while he was trying to avenge or get justice for two
deaths that occurred, he ended up causing countless other
deaths. OK, countless other deaths,
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innocent people dying and soldiers and people who work for
him dying. Like people in Fairyx that
didn't need to die. They didn't need to die.
They had nothing to do with was with what was going on here.
He was interrogating people and causing fear and like it, it
went too far right? And like, I know I can relate
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about becoming a fucking monsterover some shit that I just know
it's right. It's the right thing to do, it's
the right thing to do and it should be done.
But you get so wrapped up in it that you forget that like just
because you think it's the rightthing to do doesn't necessarily
mean that it is the right thing to do.
Like, you might feel convicted on something, but in the grand
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scheme of things, is it truly what's for the greater good in
the moment? And honestly, no, for this
situation, it was not. He ended up really fucking
things up for so many people andcosting people their lives.
So it's that fine line of like, how much of this is like a, a
good, a sense of justice and a well-intentioned thing to be
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upset about? And how much of this is a
vendetta or a mission that you are so hell bent on seeing
through that you don't care who it hurts in the process or
you're blind to who it might hurt in the process?
And I think that that's something that is very easy to
get wrapped up in in our community, just in humanity in
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general. But like, especially people in
our in our community, I do end up seeing a lot of
well-intentioned people end up causing like, especially on
social media, This is obviously not people not causing people to
die or anything like that. It's not what I'm talking about.
But like our community really does try to push for inclusivity
and acceptance for everybody, right?
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Because what we want, we want tobe accepted, we want to be
included, we want to be understood.
We want to be, you know, given the space to be ourselves,
right? But then there's some social
media accounts that I've had to quietly walk away from, you
know, walk away from my feed because they will accept no
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dissenting fucking viewpoint whatsoever.
No opposite viewpoint at all. No.
Well, hey, you, maybe, you know,I appreciate this, but have you
thought about it from this lens?The second that you offer even
the smallest thing in the most well-intentioned way that is
against what they believe, you get blocked or called names or
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whatever. And it's like, that's not the
point of education. You don't.
If you're trying to educate people and you're trying to
bring people together and you'retrying to be inclusive, you have
to include the people who disagree with you.
You have to right 'cause like, how the fuck else are you
supposed to maybe potentially, you know, educate them further
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and learn something from them orteach something to them while in
turn also maybe learning something from them?
Guess what? If you're the smartest person in
the room, you need to find another fucking room.
Like there's something wrong. Like there's something wrong.
There's no person in the room. Yeah, no, cause and we're not
talking about like saying like abhorrent shit either.
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We're talking about like for forinstance, this was years ago.
It just kind of reminded me it like a friend of mine.
This is when like the not to getlike political like this is like
when the Trump and Hillary thingwas going on, like before Trump
was elected the first time in 2016.
And I remember a friend of mine who was a Hillary supporter and
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I, you know, I voted for Hillary.
So it but he had posted something, I can't remember, you
know, it's been almost 10 years,but he he had posted something
and then like his friend was like very militant in her
opinion. Like, if you did not 100%
support Hillary, then she wantedfucking nothing to do with you.
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And I didn't know this. Like, I just know her from my
friend's post. Like, she would be posting stuff
and she, I remember, oh, it was,yeah, it was like right after
the election, 'cause I remember posting my friend's like, like
commenting my friend's post saying something like, like not
even replying to her, just on myfriend's post saying, yeah, I
kind of had like, I kind of heldmy nose up and voted for
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Hillary, but I ended up doing it.
And my friend, who was a very ardent Hillary supporter,
appreciate that He's like, well,you know, even if you didn't
like Hillary, you still vote forher, you know, whatever, blah,
blah. And then, well, this girl, this
girl had wanted nothing to do with it was like, and eventually
it got to the point where my friend unfriended her because
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she was like attacking me because she was like, what do
you mean? You held your like?
And then I'm like, I still votedfor her.
Why are you like? Am I supposed to agree with
everything? If.
Someone does like, I don't agreewith everything any politician
does. So and so she was just very like
mad. And so like that just kind of
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reminded me of it's like, you can't like that doesn't leave
room for conversation if you just attack somebody the second
they say something in your mind that's out of line.
So it's it's that sort of thing.Yeah.
Or like looping it back around to like Cyril.
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Had he maybe stopped and consulted other people about
what he was thinking about doing, saying listen, this just
happened, I don't feel like it'sright, What would you do?
Like had he stopped and thought about it?
Especially 'cause he was, how inexperienced he was.
Like he was not a leader at thispoint.
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He was 'cause obviously, like, he, he, he's one of those guys.
Like, yeah, he was second in command, but he's more of a guy
that works in the background, which is another thing I kind of
like saw myself in. So it's like, yeah, I'm more,
I'm not a leader at all. Like it like it, like you said,
if I was like someone just randomly like, OK, make a
speech, I'll be like, what? Yeah.
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So it's so like he's more working in the background.
But yeah, go on. Yeah, like had he stopped and
maybe consulted with somebody onthis or even talked to a couple
people? Like, listen, am I off base
here? Is this wrong?
Like, what do we do, you know, like instead of and, and
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listening to all the opinions, instead of just going with the
first simp who was like, we needto do things about this, you
know, like he stopped at opinion#1 which was, I think you're
doing the best thing you could ever possibly do.
Go get them. Do you know what I mean?
Like ignore what your commandingofficer told you to do and go do
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it anyway, right? Like there is something to be
said from for doing what you know to be right even if nobody
else will, right? Like, I get it, he was very
well-intentioned, OK, but it wasit was not a good outcome.
But he, he just didn't go back the right way 'cause even after
he loses his job from this, he go like, he goes back to have to
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live with his mom who is an absolute bitch.
And, and there's like there's a point, there's always just one
little point I want to talk about later about like him and
his mom and like even, and then when he finds like Dedra, the
ISP officer and also like also investigating Andor, like he
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even like she also was after Andor.
He's like, but here's here's theinformation like my, my here's
the information that my community officer didn't let me
put in the report and and even she was like, OK, you gotta let
us go now. Just yeah, well, worked.
We took, worked, worked. We took over this investigation
and he did not. He was like, no, fuck that.
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Like he was even kind of like towards the end of the of the
first season, like a little bit scary.
Like he like took like when cuz when they were like the last two
episodes when they were on ferrets trying to catch Andor,
like he was there like in disguise cuz he was there for
his own personal vendetta at this point.
And she was there And I'm like amore official empire capacity.
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Like he like dragged her and like pulled her into the like a
room and like basically demandedthat she listened to him.
And it's just that's kind of like where he went off.
Like he was already at off on the deep end at that point.
But that's when it's like reallyapparent because she even.
Like he was an American at that point.
Yeah, yeah, he was. He was she even like he even
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scared her and she was usually cool, calm and collected and he
was like, no, like you will listen to me.
And so it was, it was that's, that's like, that's why we're
like he's endearing at 1st and we totally see like where he's
coming from because at the beginning he was right.
Like he was right. And then like it just kind of
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his inexperience, his inability,like he had very black and white
thinking. There was no Gray areas to be
had. And so that's why we're like,
yeah, he has the touch of the tism, this little, our little,
our little space Nazi little touch of the tism.
That's unfortunate. And it got me to thinking.
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It just got me. Like mine's more like this is
kind of like I even was thinkingabout this earlier.
Would autistic people and granted, we're not a monolith.
We don't have the same opinions.We don't all have the same like
thoughts and whatever and views and morals.
So I'm not, this is not me saying that it's more of like a
it like especially at the beginning of the empire, would
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an autistic person feel they like, would they feel more
comfortable as part of the Empire, like say a cog in the
wheel of like cog in the in the machine of the empire?
Or would they be more of a rebel?
Because it's like you can see itboth ways because like a rebel,
like a rebellion, it's like that's like the sense of justice
thing. But obviously, like the Empire
doesn't see, they see the rebelsas terrorists.
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And so where the at the time theEmpire represented law and
order, like black and white thinking.
So it's like what like And so that just got me thinking like
what an antistic person do better in the Empire or they do
better in the Rebellion? I think it would depend on what
side of the fence their personalbeliefs and personality fell on.
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Cause there was another character in and or that I
wanted to talk about, but he didn't have enough of a
storyline on his own to really have a full episode.
So we can kind of touch on him here.
But he was part of the rebellionand he made it like his mission
to understand every little nuanced thing.
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He a detailed log book of all ofthis.
Information. Yeah, yeah.
And he could recall shit off thetop of his head and spit it out
to you like it like a like a human encyclopedia.
He just retained and remembered and could regurgitate
information like nobody's fucking business.
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And he was so passionate and bright and full of like, love
for the rebellion and for that mission.
He was basically the epitome of a revolutionary like.
He really was. Yeah, very passionate, very,
very like think of like people that would write during like the
French Revolution, like the the art, like the artist, the
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authors, whatever He's he's basically that like he's, he's a
philosopher, that sort of thing.Yeah, and he would be.
Oh God, why is that leaving my head?
The person that would follow people and write down the
stories that they had, What is it?
Called oh, like like a Bard or like a like a yeah, yeah, kinda
like a person. Yeah, they're, they're like the,
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the, I can't remember like the official title they would have,
but yeah, they're basically likethey would the the storyteller.
Like they're the ones that like would follow people around and
make sure like the the Chronicle, like they, they would
chronicle everything. Yes, so and like it.
It was just all of his thoughts on things and and what he would
remember, what he would see it he was.
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So he was very anti Cyril. But they both had the same level
of passion. They both had the same love for
what they were doing. They both were very blinded by
their sides of the story, right?And ultimately, it didn't end up
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working out for the one guy. But like, I can, I think it, it
all just depends. Because again, like you said,
we're not a monolith. And we're also not saying that
because we feel like Cyril Karn is autistically coded, that
autistic people are scary and can go off the deep end and can
like choke people and drag them into rooms and shit.
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That's not what I'm talking about.
That's not what we're trying to say.
I feel like that should be pretty explicit at this point,
considering we're two autistic adults talking about this.
But we're just going to say it for those who might be hearing
us for the first time. This is just picking and
choosing some things from this character that made us feel
like, yes, he's probably got a touch with the tism, right?
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But it was very two sides of thesame coin.
Like you had Cyril, who, again, started with the best intentions
and ended up really ruining things for himself and a lot of
other people. And then you had this other guy
with the same level of passion, but on the opposite side of the
coin, who ended up really movingthings forward.
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And. Hiring yeah, inspired Andor and
and well, and with his writings and teachings will inspire lots
of people to come after him. Right.
Because his his writings were preserved because spoiler alert,
Season 1, if you haven't seen it, he dies.
OK. And when he died, he told
somebody that if he died, he wanted Andor to have that book
because Andor at the time wasn'treally in it for the rebellion.
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He was just for money. He was in it for money, Yeah.
And he was also in it because hehe wanted to find his sister.
He wanted to help with things and.
His mom and everything like he wanted to, he wanted to
disappear because at this time he knew he was wanted for
murder. And he's, he's like, I just, I
need to go. I just need to find a planet and
just live my life. Yeah.
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And Luthan, who is like one of the big leaders of the
Rebellion, offered him this opportunity, and that's how they
met. And the opportunity was to help
in a mission for the rebellion. That's how he met this guy.
So but because he I think that guy saw something in him, right?
That was like, I know he'll get it at some point.
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He gave him that book and it really inspired him, right?
So I think again, it all goes back to like, who who are you on
the inside? What personality traits do you
carry? Do you have, how far down the
rabbit hole are you willing to go?
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Right. And that's a human experience on
every end of life. It's not just got to do with
autism. It's got to do with just a human
experience in general. Because you don't have to be
autistic to be so blinded by your mission that you end up
hurting people along the way, not caring what happens, right?
But again, just the little things that we saw that made us
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go. I stop the Tesaman me recognizes
the Tesaman You right? Like recognizes like OK game.
Recognizes game OK. And.
I've seen this before in myself.I have seen me want to do
something very well-intentioned and it end up not going very
well for me because I couldn't let something go or I wouldn't
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listen. You know, I talked about
something last year that happened where because I
couldn't let something go, I ended up losing a group of
friends. And so because I because and I,
I even told Nikki, I said I didn't feel like if I wasn't
autistic. I maybe I'm not saying like, not
as if people don't let stuff go.It's just, I feel like it's
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harder for us because it's more like hardwired, at least for me.
Like it's hard for me to let stuff go and it's very, it's
hard for me to like to like forgive and forget.
Like I, I can forgive easily andI've done it all my life.
It's more of the forgetting thing like I have, but it's so
like, because like, so that's like one way I related to Cyril.
Like not as much as I don't wantto relate to a, a, a space, you
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know, fascist with, with space autism, but I, yes, yes, we, we
love letting space everything when it comes to like Star Wars.
Like look at he's eating space milk and you know, like we're
drinking space milk and he's, he's wearing his like space
outfit. And it's just, but I've like,
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I've lost friends because like, I couldn't let stuff go.
And there's like this happened just last year where I, I lost
like a group of like, like, likepeople that I was hanging out
with. I was no longer welcome to hang
out with because I couldn't let something go.
And like, Speaking of and like, 'cause I, I kind of like brought
the milk thing. This is like the thing I kind of
bring up earlier where because after he lost his job, he had to
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live with his he got to go back to Coruscant and live with his
mom, who is a terrible person. Like she, she is awful.
And there and this is my little head cannon, my little I'm
putting I'm I am forcing autism on this character.
And this is like another reason why he is, and this is like I
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said, this is just my head cannon, my, my like.
And this is not what the creators intended.
But every time we see him with his mom, even in like a couple,
like a scene or something in, inseason 2, I think he he's always
eating cereal. And so you could say like,
that's like his mom doesn't knowhow to cook.
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And so that's all he eats when he's at home.
My thought process is that's hishyper fixation meal.
So it's the safe food. It's the safe food because like,
like I said, there's like there's this one little thing in
season 2, no spoilers at all because at first it's like you
could also see it. He doesn't, he doesn't know how
to cook And so he's just making himself cereal because he he
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doesn't know how to cook him. But no, there is a scene.
There's a time in season 2 he makes a full blown meal and
everything like a cute a cute little puff pastry or whatever
it is. Like he makes like the full
course meal with like appetizer meal like entree and dessert.
It's like, OK, so my little headcandidate is OK.
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He does know how to cook. It's not he's not eating cereal
because it always to cook. That's his safe food And that's
like that's the only thing. Like it's also like because it's
he doesn't. Also it doesn't bother his mom I
think because she never really makes mention of it like that he
only eats he's only eating that like at least I I don't remember
she ever makes mention that he'sthere eating cereal which I feel
like. Yeah, she pours it for him.
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Yeah. And so like I feel like she,
like I said in my head, she recognizes my son, even though I
treat him like shit and I like belittle him and any chance I
get, I'm not bringing up the fact that he only eats cereal
when we're together. And so that's like my little, my
little, my little thing. And so it's just, it's, it's so
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funny, 'cause like he obviously wants to, he, it's, it's kind of
hard because he's kind of like infantilized by his mom, which
happens a lot with autistic people.
They're infantilized because shesees him as like this little
child that can't do anything right.
Like she berates him for his choice to want to become a cop.
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It seems like I'm more a lot of 1.
And she's like, why don't you just stay here?
Why don't you just, you know, your Uncle Harlow, like he can
get you a job here. And it's just, it's it's also
like, like I said, it's one of those scenes where I like when
at first, when we first beat her, it's just like, oof.
I definitely see myself in Cyrilhere where he's like like
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someone doesn't see his full potential, this person being his
mom, where he like he has this mission.
He still doesn't let it go and she's just putting him down at
every step of the way like no matter what he does.
And so he eventually his uncle Harlow does give him a job in
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what my opinion is the most hellscape like place, which just
looks like basically like corporate, like corporate
America, like corporate society where he just lives in his
little cubicle among this thousand other cubicles in the
room. All the big lights are on, so
many big lights. And so I'm like, that must make
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him like that would make me go extra.
Bright in there. It's extra fucking bright, so
monochromatic, so like, and for some people like this might be
like, Oh yeah, like it it for, for him, this is hell.
And this would be, this would behell for me too.
And I mean, for different reasons, obviously, because it's
like he just feels like he's whittling away his potential in
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this room. Whereas to me, I'm just, I, I
put myself in it. I'm like, I mean, if I had a, if
I had this job in this little cubicle among 1000 other
cubicles, I would just just killme.
Just kill me at this point. Like I don't care.
Yeah, it's basically his own version of hell for sure.
And you can see it on his face that he hates it and isn't it?
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Doesn't one point he like asks the person that brings him
whatever he's supposed to be, like filing and organizing
things or whatever? And doesn't he ask them?
Like, why do we do this just to then destroy them?
Wouldn't it make more sense justto do it this way?
And he goes, listen, we're already like, this is just the
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way we do things, just move on. And that immediately irritated
me because I'm like, oh God, notonly is he in this giant big
room with all these bright ass lights, but now he's like, look,
this is highly inefficient and repetitive and unnecessary.
There is a better way to do this.
And they're like, just shut up and do it and.
Walk away and he's like no. And then that's when he gets
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like, I'm, I'm not sure if that's before that scenes before
or after he talks to Dedra, 'cause he, she like 'cause he
basically he's taking these inquiries about Andor like she's
like you're he's yeah, 'cause she's like, you've made five
like, like, like he like 5 probes of information.
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Like you made five requests For more information about this
situation. He goes 6.
I made one this morning. Yeah, it's direct, the authority
figure in front of you, because you don't recognize that it's
higher than you. And like he, he obviously like,
he, it's like he doesn't do wellwith authority.
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It's just he's, he's got this like urge.
She's like, I gotta correct them.
He's like, I can't, like I can'tlike it's the whole letting
things go like I have to. But you're.
Wrong. I have to make sure you have the
right information. Yeah.
Like, I have to tell you why you're wrong.
Like, yeah, 'cause. And at first she, like, does
humor him a little bit because she does, like, squashes hopes
and dreams of like, you know, we're just gonna be this, this
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cool, like badass, like partnersto get rid of Andor.
And she's like, listen, slow your roll.
I understand that your commanderhad you lie in the report.
And so, like, I had you tell me everything that was in the
report. But you are not equipped for
this. You are not trained for this.
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This is not your role. And he's just like, oh, fuck no.
Yeah. So again someone tells him no
and he's like bet bitch he doesn't.
He says a personal offense. Right.
Takes it as a challenge and saysbet bitch and does it anyway.
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So yeah, he's a fucking mess andhe's a little.
He's our little space fascist and we love him and hate him all
at the same time. Yeah, we don't.
We don't want him to win, but wealso, it's like we want to
succeed. Like we want him to get what he
wants, but we know he can't get what he wants because then the
show won't happen. And it's also because, like in
the end, he is the bad guy because he does eventually work
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for the Empire, like granted, inlike a very grunt sort of
manner, but he does really like the empire towards the end
because it's like they, they, they eventually they see him.
They, they, they see. So I feel like that's what he
gravitates swords like, oh, these people see me.
These people get me. And so eventually that's, that's
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what that's what gets him like towards like the side of the
bad, like he started off as like.
You know, like chaotic neutral like or no?
Like like lawful like like like lawful neutral in a way like
he's, he's very like, this is the right thing to do.
But he's also like, OK, I guess like, but towards the end he's
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very like lawful evil. And so he's very lawful evil
because like, he doesn't start off as evil.
He starts off as like, this is the, this is the right thing to
do. This guy murdered people and we
got to take him in. But he just goes about it all in
the wrong way. And he's like, he's very chaotic
lawful, like, you know, that sort of thing.
And so out of like out of the context of Star Wars, he would
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be the good guy. He would be the good guy.
He'd be going everything up on the wrong way, but he would be
the good guy if he took out everything about like if you
took these people out like this situation out of the Star Wars
universe, he would be the good guy.
And so it's like, 'cause he, he wants to catch the bad guy in
his mind and it it and it's basically like definitively
Andor is the bad guy in the situation.
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So like. He's a bad guy in a lot of
situations, actually. Yeah, he, he like, he is.
He's like basically the epitome of like, like to take a quote
from the second season, which isalso is still not a spoiler.
Oh, So what you're saying is your rebel is my terrorist.
And so that sort of thing like and my terrorist is your rebel.
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And so it's it's very real worldlike implications as well.
Yeah, for sure. I feel like these newer ones are
very good at that. We kept looking at each other
and go how fitting, like yeah and season. 2.
Is even way more like they. Knew yeah, it's it's season 2.
There is like especially an episode where it's like it's
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like, did you guys time travel to right now?
Because like the writers, because obviously you guys wrote
this and filmed this like a yearago at least.
And so I'm like there was just stuff that was happening.
I'm like it's like almost like, oh, this is so strange.
And of course, like some people on the Internet, they're like,
how dare they get like politicaland all this.
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Like, you understand, they wrotethis like a year ago.
Right. And the whole thing is about two
warring ideologies, which is ancient.
Yeah, like this is not a new. Story, like rebellion, is not a
new story, OK? He has been rebelling, rebelling
since like the dawn of time, OK?So.
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But yeah, so overall it so if you guys haven't seen Andor, I
mean gradually just spoiled the hell out of season 1, but you
should anyway because it's so like fucking good.
It's seriously some of the best Star Wars, even like outside of
like basically, like I said, we're just talking about like
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the nerd of urgency, like in thecharacters that we see.
But like as a story. I I highly recommend Andor and
the like I said, the last three episodes just came out the day
we're recording this, I think, which is Tuesday the 13th, May
13th. But so that's that's all I got,
I think on Cyril. Would you have any other points?
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Nope, I. Think that's it?
Yeah, that's like I said, this is this whole like kind of like
series we're going to do on likethis topic where and like it,
like we said last last episode, we're kind of like doing like a
rotation of topics like a. And so we're like they're a
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divergent city, like they're a divergent in media.
This is just our own take. So you could see Cyril and not
see a single lick of autism, like or just say that's not what
the creators intended. That's not what he was written.
Like, that's not why he was written.
It's like, OK, we don't, this isjust our interpretation.
Like, we're fine with that. And we said at the beginning
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like, we don't, we don't feel that they wrote him this way on
purpose. Like we don't feel that this was
intentional. This is just things we see that
we feel like have a call back toneurodivergency in some way.
Doesn't have to be intentional by any means.
That's the whole point of this fucking episode.
It's an exercise, it's a thought.
It's a thought. Thought experiment is what it
(50:16):
is. It's a fun little thought
experiment. So all right, let's let's hit
the phone and fuckery. We got a question and a Jeremy
update Part 2 coming in hot. Here we go.
(50:47):
All right, made it to the other side.
All right. Question first or Jeremy update
first. Let's do question first.
All right, cool. Let's, let's see if the universe
has a specific one in mind for us today.
(51:10):
OK, some shuffling, some ASMR. Oh, look at that one.
Flew out. See what it is?
02 flew out. Well, those are stupid.
What's wrong with you universe? Fuck you, universe.
Shit together, I don't think. Hold on.
(51:32):
I think maybe. Yes.
I think we have the. I think I have the wrong.
I think my shit got like shoved together somehow when I was
cleaning things. Here we go.
All right, this is the bit I want.
(51:52):
Let's try again. She she sucks at shuffling.
I do. OK, let me see of these four,
which one I like best. Let's see.
No. OK, we could.
That's a possibility. Nope.
(52:15):
Because I don't read. OK.
No. All right.
Cool. This one it is.
I'm not cultured and I don't read, so we're not going to talk
about those other shoes. All right, so here's our
question from the universe todayas picked by me.
The universe gave us options. We just chose chose the options
(52:35):
as filtered by me. What is one thing you are most
looking forward to in the next decade?
Like technology wise, life wise,like what are we talking about?
Whatever. Whatever, whatever.
What However you want to take that however you want to spin
(52:58):
it? I guess like in terms like life
wise, because at this, you know,at this point in time still
unemployed, which is like a likea Gray area for me right now
'cause it's either like it's either negative nor positive for
me right now. But I guess like, you know,
(53:19):
getting a job like I would like,granted this is like a
hypothetical, like getting a jobI enjoy and like traveling more.
It's like I would like to like do some more traveling.
So I would like to, at least in this next decade, you know,
'cause I would like to, I guess,just travel more so.
(53:40):
OK. Yeah, I would like to because
like obviously like so next decade because like so I guess I
think technology wise, I'm not sure.
I'm like I was telling Nikki yesterday, I'm very boomer when
it comes to some technology where some of it I'm just like,
yeah, you guys can have the technology, I'm just not here
for it. So I couldn't even imagine what
(54:02):
kind of technology you would have because like, obviously
like they thought about the year2000, we have flying cars and
all that shit or like robots taking care of us, which we kind
of do have. Like we do have kind of robots,
but I'm talking like Rosie the robot from like the Jetsons,
that sort of thing. But yeah, I think, I guess like
my boring answer is just like, just like stuff that I've, I've
(54:25):
been wanting to do more of like I would be, I would like to do
that more in the decade. I know that's not really like,
what am I looking forward to? Because obviously it's, it's, I
guess that's just a manifestation.
That's like my manifestation. What about you?
I feel like mine's similar but like I feel like I'm really
(54:46):
starting. Like I don't know about.
I don't know about y'all, but I don't feel like I've ever grown
up yet. I feel like like now's like the
time where I feel like I'm starting to actually grow up and
like actually know what I want and what I like and like what
feels good to me and what's like, I've been able to filter
(55:07):
out a lot of the like outside worldly noise, you know, and
just sort of listen to like who I am and what I want in my life.
So I'm kind of excited to continue to explore that a
little bit. I'm pumped for 40, right?
Like that would happen in the next decade.
I'm ready because listen, my 30shave been nothing but like
(55:28):
getting more and more authentically me, right?
I don't even want to know how fuck off 40 is going to be like,
do you know what I mean? Like how like solidified I'm
going to be by 40, hopefully in in I mean like in my own
personal, like my own personal, what am I trying to say in my
(55:51):
identity? Like solidified in my identity.
Do do I really know what else will be happening in the next
decade? No, because I always have this
plan that I want to move, but then like life, always life's
and then that doesn't happen. So I think I've sort of given up
on the idea of moving and like if it and I have the opportunity
presents itself great. But I'm sort of like going to
(56:13):
stop thinking about that for a while because I just, it's just
not happening right now. So like mental energy on it?
It's not in the cards. Yeah, yeah, it's not in the
cards right now unless the housing market has some insane
boom before Bliss starts high school and we're able to sell
(56:35):
this house and get out of it. And Jordan, it's like Jordan can
find like the perfect job somewhere else because that's
another thing, like, I don't work, so he has to support us.
So we have to be wherever the money is.
So it I could be ideally wantingto live somewhere, but if
there's not any money there, then we can't fucking do that.
(56:58):
So so yeah, I don't know, just kind of becoming more of me and
unapologetically me. Yeah.
Yeah. And growing my hair back out.
We're going to let her keep going.
In 10 years. I'm not chopping.
I always say I'm not chopping you off again.
I probably will, but I want to let it grow back out.
(57:21):
I liked the short thing. It was fun.
I'm glad I did it. I think everyone should
experience having intensely short hair in our life and just,
you know, throwing caution to the wind and picking up the
buzzers and calling it a day. But I'm over it and I want my
locks back. And by locks I mean hair.
(57:43):
Just hair. Not like dreadlocks.
I never had dreadlocks. That would be awful looking on
me. Some people can rock it.
I'm not her. Just want my pretty blonde hair
back, OK, That's all I want anyway.
That's it. That's boring as shit.
That's what I have for you. Let's talk about Finnegan, huh?
Yeah, I said I was going to talkabout sympathy, but I have not
(58:04):
yet finished up with her character.
Listen, I don't know what it is about.
I am so fucking uninspired by her character.
Like, I created the fashion, right?
And like, I gave her a job and everything, but like, I just
don't, I can't think of a fucking storyline for her.
(58:25):
Like, what is her life? What is she doing?
She just didn't get a lot of attention in the original story.
Like what did you say? A lot of back story.
On her it's kind of like she was, she's more like a foil for
Finnegan and and like Binky and stuff and in a way like she's
supposed to be the more mature of them, but then she also kind
of like fucked off and did her own things at times.
Right, She turned to the Mystic Princess of Evil, if you
(58:46):
remember at one point, and triedto kill them all.
So like it. Can hold a sword at some point
and like some free. I don't remember, but yeah, she
she was always kind of like character that we didn't have
like a whole lot of back story for her because she kind of like
joined the group when the group was already formed.
(59:07):
I think she was like the last time to join besides like
Velvet. No, she was.
She was actually the first one. Oh really?
I'm about making sure many of uswere around already before she
showed. Up.
Nope, he met sympathy first. Oh, OK, see, that's how little
back story she had. Because we never really gave
her. It was never fleshed out.
(59:27):
It was meeting her and then likeimmediately meeting Finnegan and
Binky I think in the next episode.
And that was like. And think he started out and
think he started out as Jeremy'scat.
Like no, Binky was Finnegan's cat.
Think he's Finnegan's cat, right?
Because Finnegan's cat. And then like it would like get
him stuff. Yeah, so.
He would go out and retrieve things for him before he would
(59:48):
go and quest right? He would go get magic balls is
what Binky was supposed to go get for Finnegan.
He was his companion and then heended up being a big hero in the
story. Man, we love being.
He's one of my favorite ones to play with alongside of Finnegan
(01:00:09):
because he is just he's very fleshed out and I just have this
like connection with his character because he's a big
happy mother fucker, right? He's just happy to fucking be
here and. I love it, but we'll get into
Binky another day. Let's talk about Finnegan's hoe
ass. He he now in The Sims.
(01:00:31):
It's called Finnegan fainting because if you remember, he was
Finnegan the fainting goat. Yep, he has he has white hair
and white goatee because of course he does.
He's a goat partner is never going to happen because he ho
children. We put oh I'm sorry sexuality is
(01:00:53):
pan. We've talked about this before.
He is pansexual. He is DTF.
He's 24/7, 365. Like Deadpool is, is Canon, like
Marvel Canon pansexual. So yeah, like very chaotic.
Very. That's saying all people are
chaotic. It's just they are chaotic.
Characters, he is modeled after Deadpool and because the
(01:01:14):
storyline paints him as a very chaotic character, right, like
his original storyline that we end up finding out he was very
the chaotic kind of come and go.He would fuck off on a side
quest and come back. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He really was. He really was giving big
mercenary vibes. So he was sort of model after
Deadpool, kind of a hoe. Children.
(01:01:38):
I put unsure. I I will say, I will say like if
he does, cuz I know he's a hoe, but like you're talking about
last time, like if he gets like with Freya and stuff, he's he's
spinning in the thing to go Freya the fox.
I feel like all their kids should have F names at that
point. Oh, for sure.
We'll get there. Listen, this is the slow burn on
(01:01:59):
those two because again, he's a hoe.
And if you remember, Freya was apart of the Liberator crew that
comes in towards the end of the Chronicles of Jeremy and they
we're going to get into it simply because it's part of his
character. He is fucking obsessed with her.
OK, obsessed with her. The storyline is that it's been
(01:02:21):
that way for fucking ever, right, But again, ho non
committal can't handle it. So he just never does anything
about it. And at first he like wouldn't
deal with her at all. Like, even though he was
obsessed with her, he like wouldn't let her know and didn't
(01:02:41):
want to like have that because he had, even though he was a
hoe, he had enough respect for her.
He's like the first person he's ever really respected was her.
And so he started feeling these things that were new to him.
I was like, what's his feeling? What's his feeling?
What's his feeling? Yeah, it was.
She brought a new, a new feelinginto his world, which was, he
(01:03:06):
later finds out, his love, right?
He's in love with her because heends up talking to Binky about
it. And Binky's like, yeah, stupid
Fuck. That's called love.
You love her like we all saw it.We're we're not stupid.
He thinks nobody knows. OK.
Like he thinks nobody knew. He's he's very oblivious.
He thought nobody could see it, Right.
(01:03:27):
And he finds out from Binky thatshe loves him too and has said
so. But again, he's a hoe.
So she was like, fuck it. She learned to like put up the
wall, right? Like it's a thing.
I always will care about him, but I can't go there with me.
Can't. Make a can't make a like a a
housewife out of hoe or whatever.
(01:03:49):
Can't turn a hoe into a housewife, right?
So like Finnegan cannot be changed and and he would fuck
off so often that he was also unreliable.
And like she just saying about that she about that life, right?
And she's her own life. She's also fucking off and doing
shit all the time. She's like big, big shapeshifter
witch energy, right? She's got her own shit to do.
She's constantly on these adventures and shit with them.
(01:04:11):
And Finnegan would just go off on side quests all the time
without them. So she was like, fuck him, I
don't have time for this shit. I'm doing my own shit.
He won't commit by bitch, I don't have time for you.
So there was always this distance, right?
But they were both obsessed witheach other and didn't want to
admit it. OK, so we're working on this.
We're working on this in the game, We're working on getting
(01:04:32):
them from fuck you to fucking, OK?
Like that's what we're doing. And the fucking has happened.
We made it there, their love baris already there, but we're not
allowing the relationship right now, OK?
This Finnegan's still hoeing andFreya still don't trust his ass.
So we've got a lot of work to doon Mr. Finnegan.
(01:04:56):
And if he hurts her, she can just cast, you know, turn him
into a frog or something. Listen, listen, I I don't think
he can hurt her because she's gotten to this place with him
where she's so unbothered by whatever he's doing that it just
(01:05:16):
doesn't faze her. She just has accepted him fully
for who he is. And it's the only way she can
really like that it would ever work out is because she accepts
like all of the terrible things about him as worse and loves him
anyway, right? Like, so there's not much he
could really do to hurt her at this point because he's already
done it all right? She's seen it all.
(01:05:39):
She's been there for it all. She's experienced it all right.
And he's also just stupid. He's just stupid.
He's a he's a stupid oblivious man, OK?
And he needs to figure his life out and knows that before he
will like be willing to commit to her.
(01:06:00):
So he's working on himself. He's a champion gamer.
And he refuses to own a computerat home.
Like won't do it. Hey will not do it.
You want to know why? Because work is work and home is
home. And home is for Hoenn not
(01:06:21):
working. He puts the hoe in home.
He puts the hoe in home. Not mixed business and pleasure.
That is the one thing he won't do.
He won't fuck groupies, OK, 'cause he's, he's like, he's
famous, OK? He's like Pewd's level, all
right? We're talking PewDiePie level
famous here. Everybody wants him.
(01:06:43):
Nobody can have him. He won't fuck groupies OK, but
he will. He will catch strange anywhere,
but he just won't fuck his groupies.
And he he can, he can tell the difference.
He at least knows. So home is for Helen, work is
for working. So there are no computers in
this man's home. He only games at the office
where it belongs. He currently lives in a
(01:07:07):
inherited property that he got from his great great uncle who
is part founder of the town thatthey live in and it's a one
bedroom 1 bath mini mansion. So it looks like a little
mansion but it's not very big onthe inside.
It was like his uncle's like guest house thing next to his
(01:07:30):
like in he has like an in and bar or whatever and there was
like a guest house area with like this nice little thing
outside. So that's what he do.
He lived there. He did not bother to change one
fucking thing. There's old ass pictures on the
walls. It doesn't look like a champion
gamer lives there. It looks like he just sleeps
there on the fucking weekends, right, because basically that's
what it is. So that's that is that's his
(01:07:55):
thing, right? Like that's Finnegan.
He so again, we'll just quickly go over his traits real quick,
non committal, self absorbed, adventurous.
That is that is Finnegan in a nutshell.
So we're going to continue this this saw GAW, and maybe by the
time we get to Freya we'll have an update on their situation
(01:08:18):
ship, but who knows, we'll see. Title show I got for you next
week. We'll probably do Binky because
I think I'm just going to end updoing Sympathy last, OK?
Sympathy is just getting the short end of the stick.
Sorry. About it.
So there's there's a there's a writer's block with sympathy.
Yeah, it's a writer's block. It's fine.
(01:08:40):
Create creative block. But you know what?
It's that time. Let's hit the 10's and Julie do
the thing. I'm afraid there are no more
things to do. Julie says we got to go.
So she's the boss. Yeah.
(01:09:02):
Sorry about it. If you hated this episode, I'm
sorry. If you missed the point, I'm
sorry. It's if you're like, I don't
like Star Wars, OK, you can haveyour wrong opinion, that's fine.
We love you even though you're wrong yeah, we will see you all
next week. All the podcast you shits in the
(01:09:24):
show notes and remember, like, share, comment, all the things
can't subscribe. Well, follow, I guess follow.
It's not YouTube, so you can't really subscribe.
But yeah, do all the things. Make sure that if you like us,
you tell people you like us so they can like us too, because
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that helps, OK? Sharing is caring.
Yeah, sharing is caring, and we don't want to talk to Dead Air,
so there's that. All right.
We love you. We got to go.
Goodbye. Bye.
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