Solo Steve - Paranormal Investigations with Phil Ianazzo - (Not So) Deep Sh*t with Chris & Steve

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hey everybody, this is Steve Blair with the Steve
Blair podcast.
Thanks for tuning in.
Today's guest the founder ofthe AmeriMagBallee Paranormal
Society.
So you know what that means.
We got some what I would callmaybe kind of scary stories.
People might relate a littledifferently to you, but whatever

(00:30):
you think, it's definitelyinteresting and it's worth your
time.
Thank you very much forlistening.
Here we go, all right.
This is Steve with Phil Ionazo.

(01:07):
Hello everyone, did I say itright?
Yes, sir, all right, and Philis the founder of the
AmeriMagBallee ParanormalSociety.
That's correct.
Is that correct?
That is, and when did you foundthe AmeriMagBallee Paranormal
Society 1991.
Oh, so it's been a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
It's been a long time .

Speaker 1 (01:28):
All right.
We've been at it for a while.
Wow, so Phil is from Wakefield,massachusetts Originally, sir,
so you're local, right, yes, sir, and we'll get into the
different things you've beeninto in your life, but right now
we'll talk about some of thedifferent things you're doing

(01:49):
with the Paranormal Society.
So you found it in 1991, sothat's been a while, and what
well?
Let me ask you this what madeyou want to found it?

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Well, it's funny.
As a child growing up inWakefield, my only window in my
bedroom overlooked the cemetery.
So it was kind of morbidcuriosity, I guess yeah, For
lack of a better word wheresometimes you're just looking
out your window as a kid andyou're looking into the cemetery
and maybe your mind's playingtricks on you or maybe it's just

(02:23):
your imagination, but you feellike you saw things or whatever.
And as I got older I wascurious about basically is there
life after death?

Speaker 1 (02:34):
What happens?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
when the body dies, does the soul can carry on in
the capsule which is the body,just lays to rest.
And what happens.
What causes people to say, allright, my house is haunted, or I
keep hearing messages from myloved ones.
Is this true or is thissomething that people are just
making up?

(02:55):
And then, as I got older, Istarted researching and started
seeing there was more peoplelike myself and I figured it's a
good hobby to have.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
It's something to occupy your time.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Well, it sounds like it might even be a little more
than that, right, it sounds likeyou have.
It definitely goes beyond that.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
It started off more as I guess a hobby, yep.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
No, I get it.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
I get a lot more than that because of taking my
experiences, or my, I guess,experiences to another level,
spiritually mind-wise andparanormal-wise, I guess.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
So how old were you when you first started having
this feeling that maybe therewas more than just you looking
at a cemetery?

Speaker 2 (03:55):
It was walking by the cemetery, maybe coming home
from a friend's house when itwas kind of dusk or whatever,
and feeling like you weren'talone.
So I would say, at a fairlyyoung age, maybe between 12, 14,
again, maybe it was just myimagination or it's a cemetery,
but if you think about acemetery, the body never died in

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the cemetery, the body diedelsewhere.
It's just the final restingplace is the cemetery.
So for a cemetery to be haunted, or to have paranormal activity
.
It would have to be some reallystrong energies to create that
which the cemetery is on a lake,and water does create a lot of

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energy, so that's important.
Knowing when you'reinvestigating paranormal to see
what causes more energy, themore energy that's there whether
it's running water, moonlight,anything like that.
It creates more energy.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
It does.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Which the spirits feed off of, because it's energy
.
They need the energy during theday to absorb it.
That's why a lot of paranormalactivity happens at night,
because everybody's runningaround during the day creating
all this energy, and then atnighttime everybody settles down
, so the energy is less and nowall these energies have absorbed

(05:16):
this energy, and now they'reactually exhuming that energy
and doing what they have to do,whether it's talk to a loved one
or haunt somebody.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Oh wow.
So it's not so much becauseit's dark.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
No, no, no, but it.
I mean it's because everythingslows down.
If you're running around busyon your day and say your house
is haunted and you're notthinking about it and you're
doing this and you're on yourphone and you're doing computer
work and you just focused onwhat you're doing and there's
things going on.
You're not noticing it becauseyou're too focused on what's
going on.
But now, at nighttime, you sitdown and you watch TV.

(05:53):
You're eating dinner sittingdown, reading a book or whatever
.
Then all of a sudden you startpicking up on like what's this
noise?
What's going?

Speaker 1 (06:01):
on here.
Wait, what's causing that?
Why that door open?

Speaker 2 (06:04):
You know it's and that's the energy that that
absorbed during the day, it getsreleased at night.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Interesting.
Can you remember what was yourfirst experience?

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, I can.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
You want to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, sure, I used to go walk through the cemetery
because it was on the lake and Iused to love fishing when I was
younger and I was fishing oneday and whatnot?
It was probably close to duskand you know when back back then
I'm not a young guy, you knowmom's like come home and

(06:46):
streetlights come on Right.
Oh yeah, there's nostreetlights in the cemetery, so
I'm not thinking, I'm fishing,I'm having a grand old time.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Next thing.
I know it's pretty dark out now.
No cell phones, no pagers, nonothing.
Now I get to walk through thecemetery, turn around and
there's somebody standing behindme.
Get out of here.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Was it a real person?

Speaker 2 (07:05):
No, no.
I looked around, looked up, sawsomebody Turned back, turned
back again gone really Claire'sday really Claire's day,
gentlemen.
You know, dressed nice clothingCould see through him.
You know, I could tell he wasdressed.
But I mean I, you know Sharpdressed man, could see through

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him but could also see what hewas wearing and everything else.
Really, I don't think my feethit the ground when I wow
cemetery.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Did you feel like you just kind of just?

Speaker 2 (07:37):
didn't tell us all you scared the shit, I just ran
home like, like my feet didn'teven touch the ground really
didn't tell anybody.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
And do you think you were 12 to 14?

Speaker 2 (07:47):
I would say probably more like 13, 14.
Okay yeah, because that wasmore like the time where you
know I could you know yeah, alittle bit past when I was
supposed to be.
Oh yeah, so yeah but yeah, andthen it just progressively.
You know I feel like I gotlocked into it.
You know it's kind of that one.
You know you're you're not abeliever.

(08:07):
To you see, it seems believing.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
So everybody's like.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
I don't believe in that.
I don't believe that well, whenyou see it, you'll believe it.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
So then, once you see it, it opens up the mind to
like what's going on, like thereis other things here.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
There is life after death.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
What is happening here?
What is causing this?

Speaker 2 (08:25):
I'm not you know, I'm a 14 year old kid.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
I'm not, you know, I'm not on drugs, I'm not you
know I'm saying it's like that'sa heavy thing for a 14 year old
kid.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
It is it is, it's heavy, it is heavy, it is heavy,
and again it's like you know.
And now, now, of course, nowthere's a window that looks into
the cemetery.
It's literally right across thestreet.
So now I'm in, out there.
Now I almost got obsessed withit.
Yep, you know what I'm saying.
And as I grew older, you know,I, you know research, but back
then there wasn't a lot going on.
There was not a lot to research.

(08:54):
I mean, the internet was justcoming into.
Yeah, there was nothing it wasno internet or anything like
that, but it was.
It was crazy, wow, thelibrarian looking up things and
stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
So you're fishing, yeah, and you go to go home and
you see this dude, yeah, dressedup nice.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
I mean like, yeah, I mean like he was like he, like
he was going to work somewhere.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Really yeah.
Was there any kind ofinterchange between the two of
you?
It was just your song.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
It was pure panic on my part.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Really yeah.
Do you think he was trying toto communicate with you in any
way?

Speaker 2 (09:27):
I honestly think he was watching me fish.
I think he was hoping I caughta fish.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Wow, wow.
So he wasn't intimidating you?

Speaker 2 (09:33):
No, I don't think so, and I feel like when he saw
that I was panicked which.
I truly was panicked.
I think he's like I'm out ofhere.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Oh, so he didn't that was it?
Yeah, I think you know hedidn't like do anything
Affirmative to you, I think hewas just.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
maybe he was a fisherman himself, maybe he
enjoyed, you know, maybe he hadgrandkids or something.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Wow, and that's the thing it's like.
I mean, I feel like Very rarelyhauntings like I feel like TV
right now doesn't do theparanormal justice right now,
because everything's evil right,you know, yeah, you're right
all these ones, you see, likethis, like all this evil, this
entity was a demon.

(10:12):
It's demonic.
It's like, come on, I mean,have we come across Bad entities
?
Yes, demonic, I don't think so.
Okay, you know, malevolentmaybe, yep, but demonic, I don't
think so you do you?

Speaker 1 (10:29):
I'm gonna circle back a few times, but that's fine,
but do you feel, just on theline you're talking that most of
the times that maybe it seemsproblematic.
I mean, I don't know, is morelike just people, just
Somebody's just trying to have agood time and trying to bust,
bust shops, or how do youpossibly?

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Possibly, but I also feel like bad energy Creates bad
, bad energy creates bad energy.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 2 (10:58):
as far as, if you're if, like, people are Having
negative energy, it's gonna drawnegative entities.
Okay, it's gonna draw, like youknow, negative people draw
negative People.
Yep, negative energy drawsnegative things.
That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
So if it's, right.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
So if it's, if it's negative, or if you feel, if
you're a negative, person, thenNegative things are gonna happen
.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yep.
So it's, you know, you knowpositivity in.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Life in anything breeds positivity.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yep.
So keep things positive, youknow.
Keep things, you know, noteverything's bad and evil.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
You know, is there evil out there?
Of course there is.
Yep, you know.
But I mean I've honestly thankGod, I've never come across
anything demonic or evil.
You never have Maybe with badintentions, but I wouldn't call
it evil.
Okay, I you know there's adifference.
I mean evil is like.
I mean I would say, there was,you know, bad intentions yes,

(11:56):
evil no.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
So you've never been George C Scott from the exorcist
?
No, you never come acrossanything like that.
I never want to.
I would, I would either.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Never want to, I wouldn't either.
I would neither.
There was one time that we wentto a place and Was out in New.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Hampshire Of course I'm not gonna give names or
anything.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, but we pulled out to the house and it was just
.
You could just feel thedarkness.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Really, oh, you just from the drive just from the
drive.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
As soon as you pulled in, you could feel the darkness
and I'm like I'm not going inthere.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Did you say you didn't go in?

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Nope, I called the woman.
She came outside and I gave hera number.
I said you call this woman.
She's gonna take care of you.
She's gonna give you someprayers.
You're gonna have to buy somesupplies, sage Stuff like that.
You're gonna get some prayers.
She's gonna walk you throughyour prayers.
You're gonna bless your house.
It needs to be blessed.
I am not the guy for that job.
That's above the realm of fill.

(12:55):
Oh, wow that's not what I do.
Wow, you know, I'll.
I'll tell you.
If your house is haunted, I'llget in contact with your loved
ones and you know, tell themthat they're all right.
But I'm not.
I'm not battling evil.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Wow.
So if somebody did contact youright, which um I'll give a, can
I give you your email address?

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Absolutely, it's so you're.
You're the founder of theMerrimack Valley Paranormal
Society, that's correct.
And your email address isMerrimack M E R R I M a C K,
merrimack, yep, and then it'sVPS, vps, merrimack, vps, at

(13:38):
gmailcom.
That's good, somebody wanted tocontact you.
So somebody did contact you andthey said hey, listen, I think
there's there's an entity in myhouse.
So if they contacted you,what's the next step?
So it's.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
it's funny, there's an interview process, basically
okay, you know you have to feelthese people out Yep?
Are they on drugs?

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
I mean, are they?
You know substance, you know?
Are they addicted to some kindof substance?

Speaker 1 (14:06):
You know it's all process, so they might be
hearing things or seeing thingsbecause of something besides.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
And it's, I mean, just like anything.
Did they tell you the truth?
Not all the time, but do thiswhole process you go through
like okay, how long so you?
Have like an intake process.
Yeah, of course I'm not justgonna be sure.
I'm like, hey, we'll take careof it.
Yep, no, I want.
I want to know you, I want toknow what you're about.
Yeah, you know what so?

Speaker 1 (14:28):
what is the process?

Speaker 2 (14:30):
It's basically a conversation like I'm having
with you, whether it's over thephone or maybe Over a cup of
coffee somewhere.
Yep and just like, tell meabout yourself.
What's going on, what hashappened?
You?

Speaker 1 (14:40):
know are you like?

Speaker 2 (14:41):
you know what would it?
What do you like to do whenyou're?
You know you spare time and youknow people talk.
You know what do you mean.
It's like they give you theirinformation that you know, you
know you know, I like to youknow I like to have a good time
and the sat in the other.
And so when does a lot of thisparanormal activity happen?
Usually at night, on Fridaynights or Saturday nights, and
then you're like all right, youknow what I mean.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
It's all right, yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
I mean if they come full with with evidence, photos,
you know, videos, even EVPs,and it's like all right.
Well, that's a different thing,you know but it's, it's an
interview process.
It's you gotta, you gotta beyou gotta be careful on where
you're going and who you'regoing with.
I mean we don't do it alone.
There's, there's a group of usthat go there.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
All right, you know.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
So there's a good, you know, I got a good, good
crew.
Do yeah, you know, cuzsomeone's always not available.
Yeah, so you know at leastthree or four people that a
whack is a good is a good.
It's a good group to have.
You don't want too many peoplebecause in this contamination
and there's too much going on.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
What is?
What is EVP?

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Electric voice phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Okay, and what does that mean?

Speaker 2 (15:47):
So we use voice recorders like you would record
yourself, like taking notes onyour cell phone or whatever, and
you press play and you askquestions and it answers over
the Recording waves so it's likethey you may not hear in your
ears, but the sensitivity of therecorder picks up the voices

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that you can't hear with yourear.
Sometimes you hear them withyour ears and you also pick them
up in the recorder to reallyyeah, so that must be something
that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
So you have heard live.
Have you heard live?
Yes, and how do you classify it?
Is it an entity?
How do you call it if you're,if you're interacting in some
way?

Speaker 2 (16:32):
If you're having a full-blown interaction, I mean
you don't always like you whenyou have a full-blown
interaction.
There's other other equipmentthat we use that.
I mean we're, we're not likewe're not like ghost hunters on
TV that have all this funding,that can have all these
absolutely insane you knowproducts you know made for them

(16:54):
and give it to them.
We're you know we're hardworkers and you know we don't,
so we don't have crazy stufflike they have.
But we have your, your voicerecorders, digital digital voice
recorders.
We use tape voice recorders to.
We have the little tapes.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yep cuz it's just a different, like a dictaphone
thing.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Oh, just like, like a Cassette tape okay so cuz it's
different frequencies, so somesome pick up different
frequencies where the look you?
Know, the regular voicerecorder will pick up a higher
frequency and the tape recorderwill pick up a lower frequency.
That maybe is too low for thethe you know the regular high

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the high-end voice recorder topick up.
So and then we do, you know,infrared cameras.
We do like.
We do stuff like strobe lightswhere, like you send strobes and
if something breaks the beams,like if, like a shadow goes
through with, like this beam isbroken and this real as possible
entity.
You know, on-premises and stufflike that.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
You know and mostly you know infrared cameras and
just basic recording.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
I got.
I do have a thermal imagingcamera which you know does he
frequencies and stuff like thatwhich I can record from which I
can plug right in, which waspretty expensive but that was
donated to us by flare imaging,which was nice.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Oh, okay, so you have a flier camera.
Yep F I, f, l I.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
R Yep right.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
That's correct, okay.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
That's all the all, the all the big guys use them.
Yeah, wow, that worked for himand he got him to donate one to
me, which was nice.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
So the people that are in your society, yeah, they,
they.
Generally there must be allkind of volunteers, yeah every
small, intense right.
So these are people that arejust very interested in this
just like you, right exactly.
So somebody contacts you, youhave an intake process with them
.
Yep, out of that process let'ssay, out of 10, 10 people that

(18:50):
contact you, how many times youthink you actually go out to
investigate?
50% okay, so it's.
It's actually not that low.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
No, it's not that low 50%.
Okay, you know it's it's it'spretty good.
It's a pretty good, it's apretty good ratio.
Covid really put a damper on it.
I would imagine just because,obviously for obvious reasons.
But it's, it's picking up again.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
But it's, it's something that you know, you
know we can't have people inyour house when people are
worried about COVID right.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
You know it's now.
They don't know.
You know what I'm saying, right?

Speaker 2 (19:25):
you know, so it's definitely put a damper on it.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Wow, all right, and so then is it generally People's
homes, or is?

Speaker 2 (19:34):
it, we've done factory buildings really we've
done buildings in Lawrence,factory buildings Awesome,
awesome, like old mill buildingsyeah.
Oh yeah, we've done people'shomes with.
We've done, we've been to Eastand state penitentiary.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Oh, and is that in Philadelphia it?

Speaker 2 (19:53):
is.
I mean we had to pay a fee toget there, but it was well worth
it.
Was it Gettysburg.
We hit Gettysburg on that sametrip.
It is Bro.
Gettysburg was amazing Really.
So it's mostly.
It's mostly like when I getphone calls it's mostly people's
homes.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
You know we've done like the Tenney gate house in
Mathun and stuff.
Really yeah, Wow.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
So so somebody calls you, you go out and investigate
and you have this differentequipment that you use, right,
and how long does the processtake before you can make a
determination generally?

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Sometimes we'll go through a whole investigation.
You know, we obviously start atnight and we go through a whole
investigation and we're like wedidn't find anything.
But then we go back and listento the recordings or watch the
video and then like oh, look atthat, oh, listen to this, then
you find it.
It's you know, it's likefishing you either catch
something or you don't catchsomething.

(20:52):
Yep, just because you don'tcatch something doesn't mean the
fish out there Just didn'thappen to be your night.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
No, no, that's a good way of putting it, yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, and you know we like to we like to.
Have the spirits of theentities come to us.
They like to kind of sit in onespot for a while.
You know, put out ourinstruments, let our cameras
roll, have a conversation andsee what happens.
You know, nothing happens likefishing we move on to the next

(21:20):
spot.
You know cause they'll find usbefore we find them.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Really yeah.
So when you say have aconversation, what do you mean
by that?
Just like me and you werehaving a conversation, right now
maybe talking like hey, youknow, is there anybody here?

Speaker 2 (21:34):
So what do you?
Want to say Anything to us.
Can we help anybody?
My name's Phil.
This is Steve.
We had to help you.
We had to you know, pass oninformation to your loved ones,
your friends and your family, ifyou want to speak to us.
You can speak into this devicesitting on the table here.
Let us know what you need andwe're here to help.
We're not going to hurt you.
You know we're not going to doanything.

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We're not going to try to getyou out of this home or anything
.
It's not what we do.
We find the problem.
There's a problem, Someone elsecan fix it.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
So do you find that the responses you get?
Is it that there's a problem orthey're just there?

Speaker 2 (22:14):
A lot of times they're just there.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
They were there before you and they'll be there
after you.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
You know, maybe it was their home, maybe they work
there.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
And they don't you know a lot of times, too,
they're trying to get a messagethrough to somebody, and maybe
that's what our job is to findthat message and pass it on to
someone.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Is there any common theme to that or do you find it
just the spectrum all different?

Speaker 2 (22:39):
types of things.
I find it all different typesof things.
I just do.
I just think it's justinteresting, you know, and it's
funny because we've worked withother groups and we've worked
with psychics and stuff likethat, and everybody has their
own take on something.
Yeah, you know it's there youknow, which is great, because
that's the thing.
There's no, let's call it anSOP, there's no standard

(23:01):
operating procedure for ghosthunting.
You know what I mean?
It's whatever works for you,you know so-and-so you know,
ghost people may do something adifferent way.
We may do it a different way too, but let's combine our two
together and see what happens.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
So there's no yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
I mean, it is what it is, it's how, whatever works
for you.
Okay, you know whatever worksbest for you, whatever gives you
the best result, is how youwanna do something.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
When you let's say you're interacting, so let's, so
I guess again, I've never doneany other stuff you've done
Sounds super interesting.
I'd like to actually gosometime.
We'll take you with us.
I'd love that Absolutely.
Let's say you go and there'ssomething interacting with you.

(23:49):
Okay, Right, once they startinteracting with you, do you try
to get additional information?
How does that work?

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Absolutely.
I use a pendulum a lot, whichyou know.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, explain it, Explain what that
means.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
So a pendulum is basically you know, of chained
with a weighted ball.
On the end it comes to a pointand it's moved by energy.
We say circular motion is yes,back and forth is no.
So we talk to an entity of this, somebody here.

(24:27):
Can you please move thispendulum Circle?
No, back and forth Circle.
Yes, I'm sorry, back and forthno.
So we start that way Once wemake contact, then we can
proceed.
Okay, there's something here.
Let's proceed with a differenttype of product to see what we
can get.
Let's try to get them tointeract with us and have more

(24:49):
of a conversation, Because yesand no you know, all you can do
with a pendulum is get basicallya yes or no.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
So then we either use a Ouija board, you know, or we
will try to get EVPs.
We'll always have EVPs runningbecause you always want all the
information you can get possibly.
So then you maybe use a Ouijaboard, which I don't recommend
unless you really know whatyou're doing with it.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Why do you say that?
Can it be dangerous to use itif you don't know what you're
doing?

Speaker 2 (25:15):
I consider a Ouija board like a chainsaw If you
don't know what you're doing,you're gonna hurt yourself.
There's a way to open the board.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
There's a way to close the board.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
It needs to be done properly.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Now, you did that with me.
I did that when you came to myhouse, that's correct, and it
was awesome.
I loved it and you had a wholeprocess that you went through.
You did this whole thing withthe burning of the wood.
You had a whole process, whichI'm sure all means something, of
course, right?
It's the burning of the woodwas the.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Palo Santo, which is a holy wood from Israel, from
the Holy Land.
So you burn that which is likesage.
So it protects you, it protectsyour house, it protects
everybody around you from anynegativity.
And then you proceed, you openthe board.

(26:04):
You say we're gonna open thisOuija board.
We'd like any positive entitiesto come join us.
Negative entities are notwelcomed.
And then we have the wood going, we can leave the wood burning.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
We put it out.
I think we put it out.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Right, it is potent smell.
It's a wonderful smell.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
I like the smell.
Actually, I burned it becauseyou left it.
I burned it once in a while.
Yeah, you should.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
I bought more of it.
Yeah, you should burn it, everyyou should.
It's fantastic In each room,each corner of your room and
everything else you wanna purifyyour house.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Does it mean this Also?
It actually does that.
I did it just for the smell.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
I like the smell.
That's fine too.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, but it so it actually has that kind of
property to it.
Absolutely, Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
You know when you're lighting it, you can be like any
negative energy that's here.
You're not welcome.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Maybe crack a window and like there's your exit,
please leave.
You know.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
So, yeah, you open the board you proceed with your
information and then you closethe board.
You say we're leaving now, allentities that are with us please
leave.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
You may go back to where you came from, but you're
not welcome to stay here, andthen we're gonna close the board
and then you close the board,that's okay.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
So cause a lot of people probably think and I was
one of them, you know, beinghonest, the Ouija board's just
like playing Monopoly.
But after we did our thing andthere was, you know, other
people from my family here I hadan understanding.

(27:38):
It's not just a board game, no,no, there's more to it.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
It's correct.
You know, you need to befocused, you need to have
positive energy, you need to befocused at the task at hand,
which is contacting theafterlife.
And you know, for example, mywife bought me a cutting board.
Okay, that's a Ouija board.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Oh really.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, you know, comes out of Halloween.
I like to leave it out a littlelonger, but she puts it away.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yep, I can actually make it work.
Really yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
I can make it work, and it's a cutting board.
It's not even, oh, it's a Ouijaboard, but it's a cutting board
.
I can actually make it work Wow.
And it's kind of bizarrebecause it's glass and when
something slides over it justmakes this eerie noise.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Really, yeah, so your first experience with this type
of thing was when you weredoing that fishing.
Is that when you, at that age,did you have the understanding
that you had that ability?
When did you say listen, Ithink I might actually have some
sort of ability here, or Imight have at least the ability

(28:49):
to do something.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
It was probably when I was a little old, or probably
18, 19, when I was out offriends' house and I saw his mom
who passed away, Get out ofhere, really Yep, so tell me
about it.
So I've never met the womanbefore.
I've known the kid whenobviously it was just him and
his dad and one day I'm like hey, Mike and I described his mom.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
So tell me.
So you were at his house.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
At his house.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
So where were you when you think you saw her?

Speaker 2 (29:24):
We were downstairs, basically in his room, in the
basement room, finished basementhanging out.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Okay.
So I'm like I'm looking, I'mlike all right, I know.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Mike's mom's passed away.
I've never seen a female headbefore and I'm like, hey, Mike,
I'm gonna describe somebody toyou.
You tell me who this is.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
So were you sitting with him?
Were you in the same room withhim when this happened?

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Literally like he was basically where you are and I
was facing this way and she wasbasically in the doorway and you
were in a regular-sized room.
Yeah, big basement.
Well, a big basement, yeah,okay, so you, were in a finished
basement, so it was agood-sized room.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
How far away was this thing, this woman, when he
thought you saw her?
15 feet, so not too far.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
No, close enough.
Yeah, like you know so youcould describe her oh, I
described her to a T In his facewas shocked and all Get out of
here.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Wow, so you saw her.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
You just described my mother and you've never met my
mother.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Was she just?
Was she trying to communicatewith you?
Was she just looking at you?
I think she was just there.
Was she just there?

Speaker 2 (30:31):
She was just there, she just watching over her
husband and her son.
He was the only son.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
You know the father was I guess in the alcoholic, I
guess for lack of a better word.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
So she was maybe his guy and angel.
You know she was watching afterhim For the son you mean.
Yeah yeah, both of them, bothof them, wow, yeah, yeah.
So it was definitely-.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
So you just saw there wasn't interaction.
You just saw her.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
It was very peaceful.
It was very calming.
It was very peaceful.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
But she wasn't angry.
No, there was no anger at all.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
It was very, very tranquil.
It was just very, almostreassuring.
It was very comforting.
So you felt that, oh, I couldfeel it.
So I was talking to him and I'mjust like, all of a sudden, I
just felt this energy.
It was just so euphoric, almostLike it was just like so

(31:30):
calming and it's like wow.
And then I looked and there shewas.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Wow.
So, and did you then describeher to your friend?
I, I, I, I, I tweeted, and whatdid your friend say?

Speaker 2 (31:44):
That he was, that's my mom, and you, my mom, and
you've never been seen a pictureof my mom.
I'm like I have not.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Wow, and after you described that interaction, did
your friend Talk about maybe himhaving that same kind of
interaction, or no you, so you,the only one he was pretty
freaked out actually.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Wow, he was pretty freaked out.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Was there anything after that with her, or no?

Speaker 2 (32:12):
No, actually never again, never again.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Wow.
So at that time you thought toyourself I might have an ability
that other people don't.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
That's true, you know what the funny thing is?
What?
His birthday is the same day asyours, of mine, Really Wow.
October 28th, three Scorpios,that's right because we used to
have a huge party.
Oh, you did at his house forthe two of us, yeah, oh wow, and
the mom never showed up again.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Never, sorry again.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
I feel like it was like she's like hey, I'm here,
everything's good.
I think we were talking aboutsomething, because I think he
was a little distraught.
Yeah, you know about somethingand we were just having a
conversation just two guyshaving a conversation and all
this is like hey, I'm here, Igot this and I'm like boom, wow,
wow.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
so when you have an interaction visual or
Combination of visual plusadditional things, do you
usually have a feeling you getinside about, about the
interaction?

Speaker 2 (33:12):
The visual, like the truly visual with my own eyes,
like seeing it with my own eyesis rare Okay.
I see it a lot in my head.
I get the pitchers in my mind.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
How do you differentiate between the two?

Speaker 2 (33:24):
because it's not.
It's.
It's a flash in my mind.
It's not.
It's not in front of me, I'mnot physically seeing it.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
I'm, it's a flash and in my head where I can describe
.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
All right, I'm seeing this, I'm seeing that in this
that and the other it's.
It's not.
It's not in front of me, it's inmy brain, basically okay, and
it's, and that's again like whenwe were, you know, doing the
Ouija board yep with One of yourdaughter's friends.
I got the barber and that wasthe barber was a flash in my

(33:58):
head, was someone saying Barbara, barbara, barbara.
Okay, I asked her and she'slike yeah, you know oh, wow,
okay, so that's how that works.
Yeah, it's, you hear it in yourbrain, you see it in your brain
.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
It's probably much easier for us to talk about it
than it is the process that goeson with you.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
It's harder process, like, like.
You know I've seen things likeand you see like you know, like
a chair, there's a chair thereyou look at the chair, but then
you see in your mind thatsomeone's sitting in that chair.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
And oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I'm saying like there's the chair, but then in
your mind you see that chair,but then you see somebody in
that chair, yep.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
And then you describe that person or whatever to
somebody and they're like yeah,that was my uncle, that was my
dad, that was and that's hischair, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
So it's like you get that vision.
It's in your head, it's.
It's obviously Difficult tocomprehend because it's taken me
years To do this, you know, butthat's, yeah, it's both.
It's visual and it's it's, Iguess, subliminal.
I guess for lack of a betterword In your mind.

(35:04):
You get the pictures in yourmind.
When I'm talking to people.
Sometimes I'll be like forexample, I've been dealing with
this woman out of New Hampshirethrough phone calls and text
messaging and she was describingher situation and I said Blue
jacket, red hat, she's likethat's my son.

(35:25):
He was murdered.
Wait a minute, wait a minute.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
So all right, so You're texting this woman.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
We were having a phone call, so we now you're
talking to her.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
She was on the phone.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
And this just came to you, mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
And it came to you.
Was it a red jacket, blue hator the other way around, blue
jacket, red hat, blue jacket,red hat and it just came to you,
yep, I don't know where.
So it's just like this Thoughtyou had and somehow you knew it
related to the conversationwe're having with this lady.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Well, yeah, because it usually does like, if I'm, is
that how it works usually,usually?
You know usually, and so yousaid it to her.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
You said what?
Tell me, tell me how you saidit to her.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
She was talking about her son who was murdered, shit,
and I'm like you know his namewas Joe and I'm like the time of
Joe he's passing was he wearing?
A red hat and a blue jacket,she's like Started balling her
eyes out.
She's like absolutely, I'm likehe's fine, he's home Really.

(36:29):
Yeah so, and Joey still comesto me all the time, really.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah, so how did you know that he was okay?

Speaker 2 (36:37):
He told me was okay.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
He told you yeah, so how did he tell you?

Speaker 2 (36:43):
He just said tell mom .

Speaker 1 (36:44):
I'm home, so this was just something you were feeling
.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Oh, yeah, I could see it, I was pitch again snapshots
in the mind, really shots inthe mind.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
So take me through this.
So the first, so we have thefirst interaction, being the
fisherman guy Yep, I mean,you're fishing this guy's might
possibly watching you.
Then you have the interactionwith this friends mom.
Yep, not interaction, but yousaw her, yeah.
Yeah, how did you start tell methrough the process, how did
you start refining this, becauseit sounds like it took some

(37:15):
time to refine, took a long timeto refine, and I told to nobody
.
Nobody, not even your parents,friends, no, some has been at
some level kind of lonely.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
So the time that I saw my buddy's friend and he
just looked at me like I wascrazy.
Yeah so that kind of set meback a little bit.
You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, it's like alright, butlike you know how can I describe
somebody I've never met before?
And it's in it.
You know it's because now didhe believe you?
I mean, he had to believe me.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
I mean, if you describe my mom, you never met
her.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
I think I'd believe you right, but I've never met
his mom before you know, and I,honestly, when I used to go over
his house, I used to go overhis house because he basically
lived in the basement.
I'd go into the bulkhead.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
You didn't tell him she was hot or something.
Did you know?
I'm joking.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I used to go into the bulkhead and never used to.
I never even.
I never even went upstairs tohis house.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
I'll say just you pretty much always children in
the basement.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
We were called the cello dwellers for a reason.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Alright, and there wasn't a lot of pictures of the
mom hanging around.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
There was no pictures of his mom hanging around.
There was kegs of beer and darkboards.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Shit, and so you describe it.
To a tea, to a tea.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
It was just baffled like it's like you know.
Yeah, like dude, stop messingwith me.
Why would you do something likethat?
I'm like, you know what I meanit's like, and then it's like
it's set you back.
Yeah, it's like shit you know,do I, do I.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Now it's like now, what do I do?

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Like am I alienating myself from my friend because I
describe someone I saw to himthat happened to be his mom?
You know, it's like you know,so don't talk about it.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
So they must spend a time in your life.
How will you now fell?
54 next month 54 on October28th, that's correct.
I'll be 51 and what's thatcatching up to me?
I well, I don't know if I'llever actually catch up to you,

(39:14):
but I'll try.
But there must be a time thatyou kind of felt me.
I'm just asking.
It might have felt more like aburden than a blessing.
Yeah right, yeah it did it was.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
It was because it's like alright, like now, when I
see something like in a lot oftimes I'd like we shut myself
down.
I'd see something and be likenope, it's not that Because I
don't want to, you don't want todeal with it, I don't want to
deal with it, I don't want tolose my friends, I want to upset
someone, to sat in the other,and then finally I'm like no,
there's a reason why I'm likethis, there's a reason why I'm

(39:50):
like this.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
I need to.
There is a reason I need tosend these messages.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
I need to help these people.
I need to do something they'retrying to get you know.
How is this person still herewhen they're not here, like, why
is there something I need tosay to somebody to make them
pass on to you know, in theolder, in the older I got, the
more I'm like you know, what.
I don't care who I offend, I'mgonna straight out say what I

(40:15):
see and feel and everything else.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Well, I mean it really shouldn't be offending
anyone, but I mean I get itbecause you're dealing with
people's emotions.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Correct.
It's like would you mess inwith me?
Would you see a picture of mymother?
What did you like?
You know it's like, it's stufflike that.
You know, Even in like therewas one time we were, I was
working and I was talking tothis woman and she's like she
was talking about a plant thather mother planted.
And she's like whatever youguys do, please don't destroy
this plant, this, that and theother, so forth and so on.

(40:44):
And I'm sitting there and I'mlike talking to this woman and
all.
I hear, is clown feet, clownfeet like clown feet, clown feet
.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Okay, what that?
And I'm like I have to ask thiswoman, I have to ask this woman
.
I'm like I have to ask yousomething.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
I'm, like you, talking about your mom.
What's up with the?

Speaker 1 (41:02):
clown feet.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
She burst into tears, really calls her husband.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
So is this a friend of yours, or what was the
circumstance?
I was working?

Speaker 2 (41:11):
on her yard I was landscaping.
Oh okay, and she calls herhusband.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
She's like you got to come out here right now she
goes.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
What did you?

Speaker 1 (41:18):
just say.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
I'm like clown feet.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
He's like, oh my God, when her mother was passing
away.
She was getting like all timeas a dementia.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
And she would say to everybody Let me see a feet, I
want to see your feet.
So one day her husband, as ajoke, would come in with a pair
of clown shoes on, like the big.
Yeah, yeah yeah, she's like letme see your feet.
And he picks up his feet and hehas these huge red clown shoes
on.
Oh so I'm talking to this womanabout her landscaping and I'm
hearing clown feet, clown feet.

(41:48):
She's talking about the shrubthat she got her mother got,
that she didn't want damaged,and I'm like.
I mean, come on, what's theclown feet?
I mean it's like that's theweirdest thing ever to say to
somebody.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
That's so your working as a landscaper.
That's correct, right, which Ihave to tell you I did is I did
for one summer, it was.
I did that for one summer and Idid a construction for another
summer.
I Did that for one summer, Idid construction for another
summer, probably the two morethe hottest, two of the hottest

(42:24):
jobs I've ever had Landscaping.
I Wasn't a biggest fan of itbut I did it, and so you're
doing that.
So you must make it a littleyounger.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
I'm not that much younger, oh really.
I mean probably 12 years ago.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Oh, 12 years ago.
All right, because you do a lotof Golf stuff now right.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah, we do artificial turf and golf
simulators.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
That's correct, All right so you don't, you're not
doing landscaping so muchanymore, right?
So you're doing landscaping, um, professionally.
Yeah, right, I was doing a kindof lump, or kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
I have a degree in horticulture.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
So you do, yeah, oh.
Alright, so you're alright, soI was my thing.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
It's what I wanted to do.
I was the low end.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
That's okay, but I won't get into me.
But you, oh my god.
So this lady's talking aboutsome sort of bush outside?

Speaker 2 (43:22):
We were ripping everything out of the front of
her house.
She wanted a full blown andthis, just so tell me what
happened.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
So so you, this just is a, is a, is a, is it a a
voice in your head, is it afight in your head?

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Can you differentiate it's?
It's like when you saysomething in your head like to
yourself, like Do this you know,when you say, that's what you
get yeah, I get that.
And then I'm like like why like?

Speaker 1 (43:49):
why am I hearing this ?

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Like what is like, this is the weirdest thing ever
to hear.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
So now you have to say because it's not something
that you have had in your life.
That would be like coming intoyour head.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
This woman's talking to me about her.
You know $40,000 landscapingjob and I get clown shoes in my
head.
Clown, she's like alright, Likewhat's going on like I get a
question what's up with theclown shoes?
And she's just boom like, justloses it, but it was a good
tears of joy.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
basically she's like oh, she wasn't upset with you.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
No, she was like oh my god, that's fantastic.
She's so, so excited about itwas her mom, yeah, it was her
mom.
Yep, wow, I was with a big redclown shoes, like so how's it?

Speaker 1 (44:30):
would kind of joke around with her.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Yeah yeah exactly Because he was.
He was definitely a jokester.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
All right, yeah it was it was.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
It was one of the coolest Interactions I've ever
had that sounds it yeah it wasjust so cool, it was even funny.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Did you ever, while you're working, did you hear
anything else?
Did you feel anything else?
Or was that?

Speaker 2 (44:50):
No, it's just that one.
It's that.
It's that one time where theyknow okay, I can talk to this
guy, he can say something to mydaughter that I can't get across
, that to know that I'm okay andthat's what it is, that's wow,
wow have you.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
I have so many questions, but have you Long I'm
probably a little long-winded.
Oh no, I love it.
I love it, but I mean, it'sjust, there's just so many
different things that unpack,but so is there anyone in your
family, that, any of yourgrandparents or anybody that's
ever talked to you about havingthis type of?

(45:30):
I Don't know if it's a cold andability, I don't know what.
I call it a gift, a gift,that's what I'd call it.
I call it a gift.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Not that I know of, wow.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Wow, wow.
And is there anyone?
I know you have a son, Yep, andhe does.
He doesn't have that sort ofability or gift or that you know
of?

Speaker 2 (45:54):
I don't think so, but he joins me and every ghost
hunt that I usually go on.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
He does so, he's in, he's into it.
He's definitely into it.
He loves Wow.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Yeah, first he was a little apprehensive, but now
he's the older he gets, the themore he's into it.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yeah, so he must have become a believer as well.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Wow, wow, was he a skeptic at any time.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
No, just a frady cat.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Oh, he was.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Wow, I mean I tried to, I try to.
Not too young, but I tried toget him around the same age that
I started, you know, 14 ish,yep you know.
Okay, let's go for a ride,let's check this place out.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
You know, just me and him you know it stick to me
like glue, but he loved it, youknow so when you founded the
Mary Mag varely Paranormalsociety Like how did that happen
?
Walk me through it.
Like did you just say I'mfounding it today, or how did
this all happen?

Speaker 2 (46:52):
I Happen to meet a gentleman named.
Nick, who had my same, Iwouldn't say abilities, but my
same passion for the paranormal,and I'm like let's do this.
Ah, let's do this, yep.
And then we teamed up with thisgroup called ghost ghost

(47:14):
hunters of southern tri-state.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Okay, so what's the tri-state?

Speaker 2 (47:19):
I would assume Massachusetts, new Hampshire,
main main.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
I would assume, I don't know.
I mean, that was his gig.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Oh, okay, so you didn't get involved in that.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
No, no we just kind of teamed up, we did we did some
investigations together becausewe were a small group.
He was a small group and wejust did our thing and we did a
lot of work.
You know, matthew and Tandygatehouse, we did a couple of
investigation in Medford, we didone in.
Rhode Island and it was, it wascool, it was like you know, and

(47:50):
then we kind of, you know, gotour feet wet and then we kind of
went our separate ways.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
He got a couple more people to join his group and
same with us, and you know wedid our thing.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
You know we kind, of you know, teamed up and then
separated.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Okay, it's good.
Then you were able to kind ofgrow your own.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
I still talk to him, we still communicate, we still
you know, we still we're stillfriends and it's just like we
help each other out.
If you need somebody, I givehim somebody, and same here I'm
like hey, you want to join us?
You got anything going?

Speaker 1 (48:15):
on.
He's like no.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
I'd love to.
So he's like in Sandown, newHampshire, or something like
that.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
So okay, he's not far away, yep.
So Some people listeningObviously have no frame of
reference for this kind of stuff, or as at all right.
Is there a a movie that bestdepicts this type of thing?

(48:41):
No, there isn't.
So most of the Hollywood crapit's like Jaws.
Yeah, it's not.
You know, it's not real.
It's not like yeah, no.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yeah, no, but at which?
No?
No, I mean, there is someMovies based on true stories,
but they're a little, they're alittle, little exaggerated.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
What like?
What are you referring to?

Speaker 2 (49:03):
haunting in Connecticut, amityville, horror.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Yep stuff like that, you know, and they of course
even like poltergeist, and theyhave the Hollywood enough.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Yeah, of course, you know, you know I mean, and again
, maybe there is stuff out therethat that's that intense, but
I've never come across it.
You never crop.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Like you said at the beginning, you never come across
something that is Is actuallyhave an evil intent.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
I've never come across anything demonic or evil.
Maybe bad intentions, but Iwouldn't call it demonic or evil
.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Okay, not.
So what when you say badintention, just kind of takes
just like trying bad intentions,trying to get somebody out of
the house.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
It's their house, they're this you know this is my
house.
What are you here for?
Yep, you know that they don'trealize they're, they're passed
on or whatever, and they justyou know they're truly scaring
somebody, so it's not evil.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
So what's?

Speaker 2 (49:54):
you know, it's not evil.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
What's the scariest thing you've come across.
You mind talking about it.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
No, I don't mind at all.
I've actually seen atwo-year-old child get picked up
and walk towards a staircaseget out of here no lie.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Okay, so tell me about it.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
We were it, we'd you bought, gone bad.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Okay, All right so explain it because I think some
people, I think there's a groupof people that first of all,
think we do boards are full ofcrap, okay.
And then there's other peoplethat say wait a minute.
If I use my Ouija board, whatshould I be doing?

Speaker 2 (50:28):
So this woman Her father lived with her Vietnam
vet Okay wanted to get in touchwith some of his buddies that
passed on.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Wanted to use a.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Ouija board Used the.
Ouija board.
Used it wrong, bad thingsstarted happening.
What's wrong me?
Just didn't use it right.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Okay, just didn't, didn't you know you didn't open
the gate correctly in the gatearound yourself with white light
.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
You know, remember we lit the candles on your kitchen
.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Yes, yes, all that in positivity positive energy.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Negative energy brings negative results, so he
used the Ouija board, and thenbad things happened, not
something that was evil, butsomething just with bad
intentions.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
What's that mean to you when you say bad intentions
Just?

Speaker 2 (51:14):
wants to cause harm to somebody evil is evil.
Evil is demonic, evil is evil.
Evil is just like pure pureevil like this is there's a
difference between badintentions and evil.
Bad intentions just you want to.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
You want to scare someone you know that you're an
Entity.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
You know that you can not be seen.
You know you can.
You have these.
You're getting off on scaringthese people.
Ah, where evil is pure evil.
Like I've never come acrossanything that's been pure evil.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
How do you know the difference?

Speaker 2 (51:49):
you, you, I would feel it instantly, really, you
would know okay, you would know.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
So.
When it's just bad intentions,how does it make you feel Angry?
It does, yeah, okay, but wedon't ever.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
And what do they really call it?
Um, we don't push the envelope,we don't try to get the spirits
mad.
Okay because that makes thingsworse all right try to rational
just like with a human being youtreat.
If you're in an argument,you're trying to rationalize
with somebody you know you don'twant to antagonize something

(52:27):
all right you know you don'twant to make it matter.
Yeah, you want to Find out whyit's being or doing what it's
doing.
Don't Poke the bear.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Okay, that's probably I get it, don't poke the bear.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Don't you get some of these ghosts, ghosts, things
that they're yelling, and oh,you're a coward and you can't
but but you only know, that'snot what.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Yeah, that's so.
That's just getting it worse,yeah that's that's made for TV
stuff.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
That's just making it worse.
All right you know you neverwant to, so if you.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
If you're dealing with a guy that might be a
little drunk at a bar, there'sno real need to continue Saying
bad things about him correct,correct, and it's just, you know
it's, you know it's, treatanything like you want to be
treated.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Rationalize with it, talk to it, just be the better
person.
Just, you know, just see whatit wants.
Why is it there?
Why are you?
Why are you scaring this family?

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Like and do you ever get it?
Do you have you ever got anunderstanding as to why, from
any of these interactions?

Speaker 2 (53:36):
I Feel like sometimes it's more like the person one
that used to live in the houseStill thinks it's their house
that makes sense it's, this iswhat?
Why you here?
Who is this?
Why are you changing this?
Why are you doing this?
This is my house, you know, andthey're like why are you doing
this to my house now, like stop,stop.
You know, it's like if I camein your house and started you

(53:56):
know, redecorating on you likefelt.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
What are you doing?
Right, you know, it's the samething with the spirits.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
They're like what are you doing in my house.
Why are you here?
Who are you?
Right and you know, you Letthem know talk to him.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Let him know that, hey, you've passed on now you
know now so-and-so lives here.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
You guys can live together.
They love your house.
It's a beautiful house, butthey have to make it livable for
themselves.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Have you with your ability to connect.
I guess Am I saying itcorrectly?
Next, good, have you ever had astanding as to why some houses
or some places have that type ofenergy in some places don't why
.
Why do some some energy stickaround?

Speaker 2 (54:45):
So there's residual haunting and Residual haunting
is something that happens like atape recorder.
Over and over again they don'tknow what's going on.
They don't know that they'rehaunting it.
It just happens, whether it'severy day, once a week, once a
month once a year, it justhappens it just it's in the it's

(55:08):
in the house, it's in the earth, it's in the and it's in the
air, for lack of a better word.
Okay, and it just happens that'sa residual haunting.
They don't even know they'redoing it.
Then there's an intelligenthaunting which can interact with
you.
So there's, and that's.
That's basically the two thatyou're gonna get.
You're gonna get residualyou're gonna get intelligent.

(55:29):
It can answer your questions,it can interact with you, it
knows you're there.
Residual doesn't know you'rethere, it's just.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
It's just it's just what it's just over and over
again.
And so what's the moredifficult to deal with?
The?

Speaker 2 (55:44):
residual is just you.
Just, there's nothing you cando about it.
Right, it's just there theintelligent intelligent, is
Aware of its surroundings, itknows what's going on, you know,
as far as the residual goes,it's just.
It's just.
It's thinking if it's gonnawalk through that door once a
week, it's gonna walk throughthat door once a week, whether
it opens it or not.
Opens it, that's it, do you?

Speaker 1 (56:07):
have an interaction that they communicate to you
that there's a reason whythey're still here.
Yeah, sometimes, yeah,sometimes is you're any kind of
like, consensus or any kind ofmessage.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
There's a message that's trying to get to a loved
one, there's a job they feellike they have to finish.
For example, we did one wherethis gentleman owed somebody
money and he passed on and hefelt really bad that he never
paid his debt.
really, and we from EVPs and allthis information, we gathered

(56:40):
this information and we told theowner of the house, whose name
was Charlie, that we found outthat the person was John that
passed on, the owner of thehouse with Charlie.
He's the one that called usthere and he's like Charlie.
I owe Charlie money.
We kept getting in.
You know, charlie, just tellJohn you don't owe him anything.

(57:01):
Yet that's been paid and afterthat gone nothing really.
Yep, yep interesting he justfelt bad that he passed on.
You know, in somebody money.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Wow, so do you, Through these types of
interactions and theseexperiences you're having, do
you find that Some, some atleast of these, what would you
call them hauntings or I don'tknow?
You'd call them spiritsentities entities.
Yeah are.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
It's almost like unfinished business a lot of
times, yeah, a lot of times it'sunfinished business and they
are just.
They just protection.
They're still looking aftertheir loved ones.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
So they almost feel an obligation.
Yeah, I guess an obligation isa good, good word to use, right,
absolutely.
And are you saying that it's?
It almost sounds like if theylifted of that obligation, they
can move on to wherever theymove it on to the light.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Yeah, wow, wow.
So as soon as we told Charlieabout John owing him money,
charlie's like John you don'towe me anything yet that's been
paid, boom and how did that getcommunicated he?
Just said it.
Oh, so you like, john, I'm somesort of just you know, we show
our evidence to Charlie and then, like Charlie, tell John His

(58:17):
debts been paid.
He's good.
He doesn't owe you anything,and he did, you know, with a
tear in his eye.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Really.
Yeah, wow, he's like John.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
I'm sorry, I said you know, I you know this.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Going on for years.
I wish you would have been muchmoney was it.
But to this person it was a, itwas it, it was something
important, proud person.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
That didn't want it.
You know he owed somebody money.
He had unfinished business.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Yeah, wow, wow, interesting stuff.
All right, all right, great,all right.
So Well, I want to talk aboutYou've been there the eastern
state penitentiary.
You said that earlier inPhiladelphia, before I get to

(59:10):
that Real quick.
You're also like a super beeraficionado I am you are, so tell
me a little bit about it.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
I love craft beer.
I love IPA is Like stouts, arelike sour's everything.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
I'm not everything.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Okay, not a huge when it gets really weird stuff like
you know Out there.
Crazy stuff like Sea salt,seaweed, beers and crazy stuff
like that.
No, I'm like just your basicIPA stouts and sour guy.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Well, I went to a concert with you a couple months
ago, two, three months ago,july, july, maybe, right.
It was actually fantastic, itwas awesome, right.
And we your son and your nephew, my godson.
Yep right.
Yeah, your godson.
I'm sorry, that's all right,and I remember both of them

(01:00:03):
getting married.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Mark got married.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Mark is already married, but he was getting
married when we went to theconcert.
That's correct.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Right, maybe it was June.
Okay, we saw her because he gotmarried in late June.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Okay, so yes, all right and so you're into,
because that's some heavy stuff.
I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Do like some really heavy music.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
I gotta say I was digging it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
This is a few more down the road.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Oh, I can't wait and, yeah, that trivium band.
I really like them.
Am I saying it correctly?
No, trivium, yeah, yeah, ittook me a while.
Yeah, but You're really into thedifferent types of beers too,
right?
So these two things and theycombine a lot in Instagram and
you're kind of getting a namefor yourself.
Your son I brought the concertbecause at the at the concert

(01:00:51):
your son was was telling me thatyou know he went to a no, sorry
, maybe a brew a beer store inPortland I think it was in
Poland, maine, it was and thesepeople recognized you so what?
what is your Instagram type ofthing you do on?
What is it?
What kind of beer stuff do youdo?

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
I just different breweries that I go to,
different different concertsthat I go to.
Sometimes I mix the twotogether.
Basically, you know, it's justabout beer concert.
I do post some paranormalpitches but I kind of Kind of
leave that separate, justbecause it's a different,
different thing.
And a lot of the Paranormalstuff we do, most of it is kept

(01:01:33):
Just between me and the client.
Yeah, because people don't wantother people to know.
Hey, I know where that house is.
It's haunted right, stuff likethat.
So most, most of our stuff isjust kept in between the clients
.
But yeah, my Instagram isfilled with music, beer and, you
know, halloween stuff you'relike I love better.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Yeah, you know, yeah, and I gotta tell you.
So what?
What is your Instagram?
Phil 13, I and I.
So I a nn a zz o.
That's correct right onInstagram, that's right.
I gotta tell you it's actuallyone of the cooler pages You're
gonna be able to follow.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
So give it a little look.
Give it a look, thank you yeah,yeah and Anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
so I went to the beer store today To get some beer
for Phil and I was showing themFew of your posts with the
different beers, cuz I'm tryingto figure out, cuz I grabbed
some beer for Phil and I'mCertainly a novice in this.
So I asked for some help and hecommented.
He said oh, this guy likes somegood beer.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Nice, nice.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
I try, yeah, so Anyway, so Kind of dovetailing
or kind of shooting off fromwhat we were talking about.
We started off talking abouthow you are the founding member
of the Mary Mac ValleyParanormal Society.
That's correct, and one of thethings I was looking up, getting

(01:02:58):
ready to meet with you and talk, was the eastern state
penitentiary I think that's inPhiladelphia.
Downtown Philadelphia right andthey said it's one of the most
haunted places in the country.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
It's probably one of the coolest places I've ever
been to in my life.
So when including the scariestplace I've ever been to, really,
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
So what was the coolest part of sir?
First of all, can you tell mewhen you win and what were the
circumstances?

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
I probably win.
Maybe six years agoCircumstances was I called them
up and I said I'm a Paranormalinvestigator from Massachusetts,
my group would like toinvestigate the penitentiary.
They're like 500 bucks, come ondown for four hours, okay cool,
we'll be there All right, allright, yeah, I mean it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Yeah, it costs us money, but it's all right, they
gotta keep the place up, ofcourse of course Downtown
Philadelphia so it's not used asa prison anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
It's not used as a prison.
It's a really cool place atHalloween to go to if you're in
the area.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Oh, really so what's?

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
what behind the walls ?
They call it, and it'simpressive.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Oh, okay, so you went through it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
I've been back there for for that.
Yes, awesome, yes, just one ofthe cool.
It's where it's located.
It's incredible it actually hadrunning water before the White
House did.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Yeah, it was.
Actually had literally runningwater before the White House did
.
That's how old the building isand wow, how Dark.
And I don't mean dark as inlike dark and like evil dark, I
mean darkness Like you know, nonatural light.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Once you're inside, like can't see anything can't
see your hand in front of yourface Can't see any, like usually
.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
You know you shut the light off.
There's some kind of light,ambient light, coming from
somewhere, whether the moon, ifyou're in the inside of East and
East Eastern State,penitentiary Darkness, real,
your darkness.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
So what was the coolest part of being there?
He said it was cool and it wasscary, it just massive building.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
The way it's set up is incredible.
It just just the the, the auraof it, of the field the energy
on it.
Each cell you know, just likecaves, almost like a cave, with
a tiny hole in the bottom of the, used to call it the eye of God
, and they would tell theprisoners that the Eye of God is

(01:05:20):
looking down on you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
So what was the whole for?
Just like, just that was theonly light, that was the only
light they got.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
And then there was a door Outside, on the backside of
their prison, that they wouldopen up, and there was a hallway
With like 15 foot walls in itand they'd be able to go out
there for an hour a day.
So did it have a ceiling or no?
It was.
It was opened.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
It was open to the air, but it was like a narrow
hallway and they just go inthere and they come back and
that's the only opportunity ofdaylight they would get Really.
Yeah, al Capone was there.
We visited Al Capone cell.
It just was cool, just eerie,just just noises, so much going

(01:06:07):
on.
It was almost almost too muchto to take in so when you went,
did you go with someone else?

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Yeah, so it was the group.
Okay and how many people inthat?

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
We have those four of us.
That went okay.
And then there was a tour guide, because obviously we're paying
for the tour guy I'm paying forand you know He'd go through
and he'd explained to us beforewe went into an area when we
were going what it was and thenwe do our investigation and
stuff like that.
Did we get evidence?
Not really no, but just theexperience alone.

(01:06:41):
Again, I think I said itearlier, it's like fishing
sometimes you get to fish,sometimes you don't yeah.
But just the experience.
And then we went to Getty'sbirthday the next day, which was
absolutely incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Did you have any experiences at Getty's bird?

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Getty's Berg was definitely an experience.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
What do you?

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
mean here gunfire you heard it.
Yeah, you could hear it, likeyou could hear it, really
gunshots.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
When you say you can hear it, it's not audio, they're
playing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
No, no, no, Absolutely not audio.
They're playing really yepgunshots.
I just lot of like Movementnoises that there's just nothing
there you know we went inFebruary.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
So you're just looking at the area and you're
feeling these things.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
One of the battlefields you're going to
each.
You know round top little roundtop.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
I mean, I gotta tell you, phil, I don't think that
most people that go Heargunshots.
So I think you have some sortof connection.
I mean, I would say so possiblyyeah, definitely possibly, I
mean yeah, I mean, I mean, ofcourse I have a connection.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Yes, that's without, without a question, but just
just the history, the, the, themeaning of Gettysburgs itself
was just a privilege, just to bethere.
Yeah, you know just what itmeant to this country and
everything else.
It was just, it was justincredible, wow, just I highly

(01:08:08):
highly recommend a trip to get ago anybody.
I've never been, just go andjust everybody I talked to says
something pretty deep to sayabout it, so much there's so
much to do other than thebattlefields like the Jenny Wade
house and stuff like that, andjust, I mean, we got some
actually Gettysburg thebattlefield.
We didn't get anything, but wedid get a picture of the Jenny
Wade house.

(01:08:29):
Jenny Wade was shot.
She was like a nurse orwhatever in in a house.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
She was shot by a bullet that came through so she
was a nurse taking care of thewounded of that boy at the
battle, and then there wasClaims, there was a, there was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
If you look in this mirror and you take a picture of
it, sometimes you see JennyWade.
Yep well, lo and behold, we gota picture of two of our people
get out of here to.
I'll show it to you the nexttime.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
I gotta see it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Picture of two of our people, and over the shoulder
is this woman that you can seeright through her, but you can
see her also.
Really awesome picture, awesomepicture.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
So how do you know who's in the picture?

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Dave, you looked at well, the two pictures two
people were with us and Then theperson that was the third
person.
The picture wasn't in thepicture when we took the picture
.
Do you know what I'm?

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
saying no.
But I mean, have you everlooked at anybody else's that
said they have taken a pictureand there's a same thing in your
picture.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
You know I'm trying to say yeah, I mean we have, but
like they're not similar, so itcould be, could be anything, I
gotta see it may not be JennyWade personally, but it could be
another spear.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
It was.
Who knows this, and you can seeshe's not dressed like
up-to-date dress.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Yeah, like almost like a, like a doily thing
around her neck.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Really yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Yeah, I'll show it to you the next time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
I don't know, wow, yeah, so Someone took a
photograph so you took aphotograph of the of the mirror.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Yeah, two people were in it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
What was it?
A phone or a picture of acamera?

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
regular camera.
Okay, regular camera yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Is it like a digital camera?

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Wow, yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Honestly, that whole area I I highly rate.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
it's a great, great take was that your most intense
experience Um?
I?

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
No, I would say the house where we talked about, the
one where the baby got pickedup and carried to the stairs.
Yeah, was that on the air orwas that just when you're
talking about Go through?

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
it again.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
So we were at a house .
The Ouija Board, yes, the OuijaBoard we did talk about that.
Yeah, that was probably my mostintense.
Other than one time.
In Haverle, in a building inHaverle we were investigating
Haverle mass.
We were investigating a oldbasically an old mill building
in downtown Haverle and we werewatching a shadow go across.

(01:10:50):
We were on the third floor, sothere's no, there's no
contamination from anything onthe streets because we had three
floors up.
Yup, there's a fourth floor ofthe building.
We were watching a shadow gofrom window to window,
interrupting the light, and thenwe followed it up a set of
stairs.
I got to the top of the set ofstairs before everybody else did
turn the corner and there was awoman standing in front of me

(01:11:12):
with basically it looked likechildren around her and then
behind her was basically set uplike a schoolroom.
There was like old school desk,there was like old hobby horses
and stuff like that.
It was a storage area, but itwas old, old school stuff and it
just looked like a woman.
She was in big, big dress andwith like a circle going around

(01:11:35):
or almost like a whirlpool, forlack of a better word.
But we heard like laughing andgiggling and it was.
We assumed it was children.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
I saw it, Nick saw it and Nick panicked and took off
and left me up there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
Wow, so what happened next?

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
I also left.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
You did, yeah, all right.
How long did you wait?

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
It was.
It felt it felt like hours, butit was probably 10 seconds.
Yep, it was a lot of energy.
It's like almost like like it'sa lot of static energy, a lot,
of a lot of energy, like almostlike adrenaline, but it was.
But it was also peaceful at thesame time, like does that make
sense?

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Yeah, so it was cool.
Wow, that was the old RiverCity Billiards in Haverle.
I don't know what it is now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Where's that?
Where was?

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
that Right on, right on the main drag there.
Okay, what street is that,washington?
I think it's Washington Street,right as soon as downtown
Haverle, one of the biggestbuildings there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Is that why you were called there for that type of?

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
thing.
Yeah, really Yep.
And so it got unresolved.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
How did it go over the end?

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
The end was we just said, yeah, the place is haunted
.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Wow, wow, did you ever go back?

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
You did Yep we went back a couple of times.
Any kind of interaction afterthat.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
I was kind of calm.
It was you know it's.
It was kind of calm, but it wascool.
Wow, you know.
I mean noises and like if youwere on one floor you would hear
something moving on the secondfloor.
So the first two floors werebar in a restaurant and then the
other two floors were basicallyempty.
Yep, so they were saying likewhen they were cleaning up at
night they could hear peopleupstairs.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
So, like one of the guys, had run upstairs and be
like all right, who's up here?
You're not supposed to be uphere, but there was nobody up
there, so that's why we wentthere and you could definitely
hear like people moving aroundupstairs that when there was
nobody up there.
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
And then you could hear people screaming in the
morning anyways which is theonly downfall of out coast
hunting.
Wow.
Sleep deprivation.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Really yeah, well, cause you're up?

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
late.
Yeah, oh yeah.
And then you're all jazzed up,so you want to go home and look
at your, look at all yourevidence and everything else,
and the next thing you know, thesun's coming up and you haven't
gone to bed yet.
Wow, wow.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Hey, do you have a?
I know we're going to wrap itup, but have you ever which?
I'd like to do this againsometime before you can.
Let me know when have you everhad experience of seeing
something and then you thoughtit would be captured on your
equipment and it wasn't?
Yeah, all the time it happens alot.
All the time, yep, interesting.

(01:14:06):
Are you here or something?

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
And then you expect the your digital voice recorded
to pick it up and it doesn'tyeah.
So yeah, there's times whereyou've, yeah, absolutely, we're
like, oh my God.
I saw that when I realized Ican't wait to look at the
evidence.
And then nothing.
Or you see something, or theopposite.
Or you see something and you'relike, oh man, I hope the camera
picked that up.
And then you go back and youcan hear you like, oh my God,
look at that, there's somethingmoving, you know from that built

(01:14:31):
over there.
And then you look at yourcamera or you look at your
thermal imaging camera andthere's that thing you saw, and
you saying, really, and that'sthe perfect evidence when it
coincides with everything else,we're like, oh my God, there's
something moving, you know fromleft to right and it's looks
like a, like a blob, and thenyou get it on film, you get it
on voice recorder and that's theHoly Grail, wow.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Wow, yeah, I gotta, I gotta see some of this stuff
that you have some of these days.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
We'll take, we'll take.
I want to go on one of these,yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Yeah, absolutely.
And then there's the wholething.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Is it a another dimension?
What is it?
But?

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
that's a whole nother level.
That's a story for another time.
Right, that's beyond, that'sbeyond me.
Yeah, you know, I'm just tryingto figure out one thing at a
time.
Absolutely, you know, but Iwould absolutely love to do this
again.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Yeah, I appreciate it .
Thank you very much.
Please check out Phil at Phil13, ianazo I-A-N-N-A-Z-O on
Instagram and if you have anyquestions or if you need to
reach out to him regarding hisMerrimack Valley Paranormal
Society, it's at MerrimackM-E-R-R-I-M-A-C-K-V-P-S at

(01:15:44):
gmailcom, correct.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
That's correct.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
Thanks, thanks again, phil.
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Thanks for having me Love to do it again, all right,
thanks.

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