August 19, 2023 • 51 mins
In this thought-provoking episode, join Nate as he engages in a compelling conversation with James, a visionary entrepreneur and educator on a mission to transform education through the power of 3D printing.
Drawing from his unique experiences and insights, James shares how he and his wife are reshaping the way students learn by integrating hands-on, practical skills into the curriculum.
With a focus on problem-solving, creativity, and critical thinking, James explains how their innovative approach challenges traditional educational paradigms. As the discussion unfolds, listeners gain a deeper understanding of the limitations of conventional schooling and how James is pushing boundaries to create a more dynamic learning environment.
Tune in to discover how James is addressing the shortcomings of the current education system, tackling issues such as rigid curriculum structures, limited creativity, and lack of engagement. Learn about the potential of 3D printing and coding to empower students with practical skills that extend beyond the classroom walls.
From sharing anecdotes of teachers' and parents' reactions to his program to discussing the exciting developments he envisions for the future, James sheds light on the importance of school choice, adaptive teaching methods, and fostering a love for learning. Join Nate and James as they explore the pressing issues in education today and discuss the path towards a brighter, more hands-on educational future.
If you're curious about the future of education, the role of technology in learning, and how you can be a part of this transformative movement, this episode is a must-listen. Get ready to be inspired and rethink what education could be in an ever-changing world.
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Coming up in this episode of NotSo Secret Dad's Business.
Right now, within the next threeyears, we want 50 more printer
actual printers in schools. We would like to have them in
public schools because that's where the lion share the kids
are. But it seems like we're going to
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slowly creep in when the public schools realize that.
Oh, this is actually a successful thing.
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Under this week's episode, I satdown with a man from the states
with a great idea. His name is James Law.
Now James is working in tandem with his wife to get this
mission of his off the ground. James is a visionary
entrepreneur and his wife is an educator.
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So they've been doing some awesome work together and in
this episode we sit down and we talk about his mission to
transform education through the power of 3D printing.
So drawing from his unique experiences and insights, James
shares how he and his wife are reshaping the way students learn
by integrating hands on practical skills in the into the
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curriculum. Now with a focus on problem
solving, creativity, and critical thinking, James
explains how their innovative approach challenges traditional
educational paradigms. And as the discussion unfolds,
we're going to gain a deeper understanding of the limitations
of conventional schooling and how James's are pushing the
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boundaries to create a more dynamic learning environment.
I really enjoyed this conversation with James.
We put on our tin foil hats for a moment and you know, wondered
if maybe the government is really doing all this and this
is all planned, or whether they've just gone tits up and
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lost sight of what education is meant to be.
Either way, I'm not going to keep going on about it here in
the intro because I've got about45 minutes of content with James
to listen to. So without further ado, let me
introduce James Moore. Hey, James, Thanks so much for
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coming on the show today, man. Yeah.
Thank you. I really appreciate you having
me on, Nate. It's look, man, I I appreciate
it because I know what it's like1:00 in the morning over there
at the moment. So you know, like you're you're
really, you know, burning the midnight oil to spend some time
with me, man. So I really appreciate it.
Well, before we get too far intothis, just sort of what, what's
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your background? Sort of introduce yourself and
and let us know what your background is, man.
So I have a very interesting background.
I started out in IT and telecom.I did that for six years.
I specifically did a number reporting for a cell phone
number from Verizon, Sprint. I was the guy that did that.
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And then I met my wife. We got married, decided that
corporate life sucked and it wasn't going to let me build the
future that I wanted for my family.
So I got into real estate and been doing that for the past
three years and on the side. I've been doing a lot of 3D
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printing and since my wife is a teacher, when we we recently
moved from Colorado to Arizona and I had eight machines that I
did not want to have to move that would just be a nightmare.
So we donated them all to schools in Colorado and it just
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exploded from there of people reaching out.
Saying, can we get one, do you still have any left?
Like, please. Like we've been begging our
administrators for years just tohave this technology and they're
just stonewalling us. So that that's kind of taken a
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big focus of our time of, well, let's, let's get these machines
into the schools. There's this massive demand for
it. So let's let's give it to them.
Is there a reason why school administrations are trying to
stone all this and and making itso hard?
I don't want to assign like nefarious purposes, but a lot of
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it is just budget constraints. The public schools do not budget
their budget properly. It's there's tons of waste and
nobody ever wants to rearrange it.
So to have a teacher come in andsay, hey, we want this 3D
printer in for a machine class. The default answer is it's not
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in the budget. Okay.
Well, enter me. Hey, I'll donate the machines.
Oh well, we don't have the the capacity for the teachers to to
handle this new curriculum. Well, the teachers are literally
begging you for this, so other than they just don't want to.
I haven't really gotten a concise answer for why it's been
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such a pain to get these into public schools specifically.
To me it sounds like a bunch of bureaucratic red type that
nobody wants to really wanna deal with the hassle of.
That's pretty much it. The bureaucracy is just it's so
large that nothing really gets done and it's it's really a
detriment to the students. I don't give a crap about the
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adults that have to deal with it.
It's that the kids are the ones that suffer from it.
Yeah, absolutely, man. I mean, look, I think having
having things like that in schools is advantageous for the
kids. Because I I remember when I was
in in high school and I'm probably aging myself or dating
myself a little bit here. But I graduated in 2003 and so
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I'm not sure, I'm not sure aboutthe the public schools here, but
I went to a private school and we had manual arts, I think in
in the States you'd call it shopclass, you know.
And so yeah, you had your woodshop, you had your meta
working, you had automotive. And I believe there might have
been a third one. Oh, Home EC, Home economics.
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Ah, home EC. That brings me back, right?
Man, I always loved walking out of home EC with my cookies or
whatever I'd made that day and teasing all the guys that
weren't in there. Oh, and you.
You'd always have the girls coming up because.
You're a guy that cooks What? What is this Unicorn?
Absolutely right. So I think having having
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something like this in the schools today, I think it's
fantastic idea. If it wasn't for manual arts, I
don't think I'd be in the in thegig that I'm in now.
You know, I've been welding for 20 years now and if it wasn't
for having a metal work class inhigh school, I don't know where
I'd be. So having a 3D printer in
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classes, it sounds sounds like asmart thing to do to me.
Yeah, so we just did this for the first time last year.
So it's been a full school year in rotation.
And I'm finally getting feedbackfrom the teachers of, hey, this
was great, but here's the challenges that we faced.
Here's the success stories. But by and large, the kids are
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They have this sense of accomplishment that they've been
given. It doesn't matter what they
made. They made just a headphone
holder to put on the side of their desk because a lot of it
now is moving to digital and everything's on headset.
So they made these custom headset holders for their desks
and they got to pick out the color that they had.
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Control is really what it comes down to, that they were able to
do something of their own volition and actually control
something in the school environment that wasn't just.
Sit down, shut up. Let me talk for 90 minutes.
Go to your next class where you're gonna sit down and shut
up to listen to another teacher talk.
Yeah. And I'd.
I'd like to see more extracurriculars like that in
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the schools. It's why?
I mean, my son is 7 and and I don't know, like, I'm kind of
bummed out really because it's it's not something that he's
going to experience unless somebody like you comes along
and says, hi man, let me just give you what I've got.
Yeah, and I have a three-year old daughter and just with being
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exposed to seeing dad work with his hands, she's helping dad
with building stuff and saying here you go.
I don't see that with some of myfriends, kids that are older.
It's almost like the the arts are just completely
disappearing. Yeah, absolutely, man.
I think creativity is something that we really need to foster in
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their kids, no matter what form it might be, whether it be
music, whether it be art or moving into the 21st century
doing 3D printing and and that sort of thing.
Because really, when you think about it, especially with 3D
printing, these kids can become inventors.
Absolutely. You know, they're not just to
run-of-the-mill factory worker anymore.
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No, you need both a sense of artistry to do the CAD design.
But you also need the technical skills to be able to run and
troubleshoot the machine. So it's this beautiful mix of
the two that a lot of the charter and private schools are
full on embracing. They're running in stride with
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it, and the kids are just so farahead of their peers just
because of it. Well, look, I'm a complete dummy
when it comes to all of this. So can you explain to me how 3D
printing works and what the capabilities of it are?
I'm sure there are a lot of other dads out there that know,
but like I say, I'm still stuck.Stuck in the dark ages?
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Yeah. So the type of 3D printing that
I mainly do is considered hobby.There's the industrial that you
get into with the lasers and themelting metal.
But the desktop 3D printers thatthe stuff that's just literally
sitting on my kitchen table right now.
The technical term is additive manufacturing.
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The best way that I can really describe it is think of a sewing
machine. Yeah, take the thread, you loop
it through the machine and it gets put out at the very fine
tip of a needle, and wherever that needle goes, the thread
follows. Very same concept, just you're
going on the Z axis. Kind of similar to what an
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embroidery machine would do, Just much, much taller.
Yeah, well, so in your spare time, what kind of things are
you working on then? I started out doing a lot of
cosplay stuff. The cons had just banned wooden
and metal props. SO3D printing was the perfect
medium of it's plastic, but it looks legit, so I've done a lot
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of swords. Swords are like my mainstay from
the Dark Souls series, and if anyone's familiar with Brandon
and Sanderson's Storm Light archive, I had Oath Bringer.
It's 7 feet tall, only weighs about 3 1/2 pounds.
Very true to form for the books.I am very proud of that sword.
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It's currently sitting above oneof my friends mantles right now.
That is insane. Look I've seen online, you know
people make little trinkets and and that sort of thing.
How do you go about making a 7 foot sword if you're working off
the Z axis? Are you are you doing at the
length of the dining table or how's that work?
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That sword was in about 7 or 8 different pieces, so it's all
epoxy glue. There are 3D printers now that
are on a belt axis, so it can continuously print, but that's
only come around in the past couple years, so that one's
still kind of in progress. But that's where the the
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technical skills of working withyour hands, figuring out what
paints work on the plastic, whatglues need to work in tandem
with the two. So that's when the art, the
artistry, really comes into it of well, you can make whatever
you want in CAD. But anyone who's worked in CAD
knows that making it into a printable file is a whole nother
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ball game, because everything actually has to mesh together
properly. When I was younger, I was right
into aero modeling, you know, I was all all about the the pipes
and the glue and and get gettingmessy and all that.
And it's it's interesting you mentioned like you, you end up
having to work out what you can use with the plastic and that
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sort of thing because I learned very, very fast that super glue
is terrible for aero modeling. It just ends up melting the
pieces. So again, I think that's great,
especially for the kids in school to learn stuff like that.
If they're able to that OK, because it's no longer just a
creative endeavor either. You're then looking at a
chemistry aspect of things as well.
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Exactly, exactly. So there's tons of different
ways that I've been able to kindof combat the administration's
of these schools of well, you really don't have an excuse
outside of budgetary restraints and.
I'm even overcoming that for you.
So whether it's you want your kids to be more artistic or
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chemistry or math, there's no excuse that you can't find
something to throw this in, evenif it's just general use.
Hey, we have a 3D printer in thelibrary.
Yeah. I mean, when you really think
about it, there's so many skillsthat can be transferred over to
different areas. I mean, even with just the CAD
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aspect itself, you could end up going to manufacturing and being
a draftsman and you can make really good money as a
draftsman. Yeah, it can even lead you into,
hey, look, I want to be an engineer or whatever.
I think introducing STEM, anything STEM related to the
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kids, I think it's just a great thing to do because it's just
that they are skills that are just so easily transferable.
Absolutely, absolutely. And the CAD is just so universal
almost at this point. I know people that are doing
cabinets, that they're designingcustom kitchens for people.
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There's me Personally, I was approached by a.
Very large national builder herein the States to 3D print their
new model homes so they can display them in their sales
centers. So you take the floor plans of
the homes and actually have likea little miniature home of the
home you're about to walk through.
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What a great. Idea.
I'm learning new things, new applications every single time I
talk to somebody. If I could use that for this
this and it's like I didn't even.
That didn't even cross my mind. But yes, you are completely
correct. So how how has this worked out?
Like because you were saying that you you left eight machines
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in Arizona because you just didn't want to move them?
Yeah, they were. I had gotten down my process to.
Those machines were running 24/7for almost four years straight,
so they were well used and in technology terms a 5 year old
machine is ancient. So it was I wanted to upgrade to
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new toys. I knew my through my wife that
had teacher contacts that we knew where people were wanting
them. We just didn't know that the
word was going to spread of hey,this guy's giving out 3D
printers and all of a sudden I have 500 people in my inbox from
all across the state saying asking if we could either give
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them one or teach them how to get one themselves.
Because these machines are only two, 300 bucks now as opposed to
what they were even five years ago, they were five, six, 700
bucks. So obviously the schools have
had their bureaucratic red tape that they have to run through,
like you said earlier, budgetingand all that sort of thing.
Did you end up finding any pushback at all trying to just
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give the schools these machines?Not particularly.
Once I overcame the. Well, I'm donating them to you
it then other excuses came out. They usually wouldn't push back
against that, but a large concern was going in of, well,
are they just going to, are theygoing to use it?
Do they have a teacher that evenhas the bandwidth to take on
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additional curriculum outside oftheir additional duties?
Because I don't know what it is like down where you guys are,
but. There's a massive teacher
shortage over here and there's classrooms of 45 to 50 students
sometimes and a teacher can be teaching 234 classes a day, 45
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kids asking them to take on, hey, do you also want to do a
three printing class is just notfeasible.
So a lot of the the schools thatwe've had very good success in
is the charter schools of private schools and the the
micro schools. And now we're moving on to home
schools. Cool.
I love that. I really love that.
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Well, I'm actually thinking along the lines of like, who
could teach something like that now?
I mean, I don't know. Again, I've been out of school
so long, I don't know how thingshave changed exactly.
But I mean, when I was in school, we had information
technology class, right? We just called it class.
And that was you'd be learning your basic back then.
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It was word processing and. How to download an MP3 And
really really simple stuff, cuz I mean the Internet was still
realistically in its infancy, but I mean if there's a computer
teacher there, surely that's theperson that's gonna know how to
operate this stuff, or at least be able to work it out.
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Typically, it's far outside of any teacher's actual job
description, even the IT guy. Is going to be.
If he has knowledge of the 3D printers, it's going to be
because he also owns them and he's a hobbyist himself.
We're pretty much entering uncharted territory.
There's a couple schools that wefound out here that have
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thriving 3D printing classes already embedded into their
curriculum, but by and large, this is uncharted territory
completely. So we're just trying to figure
out what's working and what's not.
So the whole purpose behind introducing this into the
schools is by and large just to to replace shop classes, cuz
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they no longer exist. Is that correct?
Pretty much, yeah. I was the last class in my
middle school. I was in middle school in 2004.
We were the last year that they had shop class and it was
woodworking. They used to have an eighth
grade class of metalworking, butby then it was completely gone.
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The only trade class that we hadwas Homac, and the next year
after that they got rid of that.So even the people that
graduated one year behind me never had those experiences.
And now that they're getting into being more, they have a lot
of expendable income. They're getting into their own
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hobbies. They're thinking, wow, if I had
access to this when I was 15, I could be retired by now.
Yeah, absolutely. Look, one thing that's always,
always baffled me and it's it's very much a culture thing, is
that there's in the states, there's so much emphasis put on
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getting a college degree. Now.
I don't really see all that muchemphasis on getting a trade, you
know, going to trade school and becoming a plumber or a
Carpenter or a welder or, you know, and I mean these are
people we need. You know, I I understand it's
great to go to college, get a a master's in engineering or
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something along those lines, butyou've still going to have the
guys that know how to build the stuff.
And so like here in in Australiawe have a lot of a lot more
focus on trades and and doing apprenticeships and that sort of
thing. I think by taking the the shop
classes out of schools it's really alienating the kids even
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further from like a skill based profession.
Oh yeah. Are you familiar with Micro?
I love Micro. Dirty Jobs, man.
It's one of the great shows I'veever seen.
He did an interview probably a year or maybe 2 ago now and he
said something that just punchedme in the gut that we have
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arbitraged these trades out of school and essentially told
these kids. These jobs are so insignificant
you don't even get a look at them.
And to me, I always viewed that people need to have the
knowledge to know what they wantto do.
So if like even the people, likeI said just a year behind me,
they didn't even know that shop class was the thing.
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So how would they know if they enjoy working with their hands,
if they like woodworking versus metalworking, or if they like
welding or forging? These kids are being put into
this box of You get to your pipeline, you do your primary
school, you do your college, andyou come out with a fancy degree
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and 10s of thousands, hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt.
Good luck. And that still blows my mind how
that works, because a lot of by the time they've finished
college or whatever, that degreethey've spent all that time and
money on working, working on is,is now obsolete.
There's no nothing in the job market for that degree, which is
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where I think you know, having an apprenticeship, going to
trade school, getting your handsdirty is, is really good.
And people don't even know that you get paid as an apprentice to
learn your trade. You're not getting paid in
school. You're not getting paid to go to
college. Even if you have scholarships
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and grants, that's money you will most likely have to pay
back. It's a journeyman that's five
years into his education. He'll he doesn't owe anything.
In fact, he's probably making pushing $90,000 a year.
Yeah, exactly. Now also to to take a moment to
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put my tinfoil hats on here as well.
Sweet. Let me get mine.
Alright, awesome. Look, I I wanna, I wanna get
your opinion on this. What do you think?
Because I've noticed it doesn't seem to be just like shop class
or home economics or something like that that's been taken
away. But even something as basic as
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civics, you know, like being able to do a tax return, being
able to write a resume, how to get a job, compound interest on
your savings, all this stuff, itdoesn't even seem to be taught
in schools anymore either. Social studies seems to just be
pushed to the wayside. I I mean, personally, I have my
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own opinions, but what do you, what do you reckon the agenda is
behind that? Because it's it seems like
they're trying to just take awayall kind of basic knowledge.
So then we're reliant. Yeah, that's that's pretty much
where I'm coming from. It too of.
They don't want a self thinking society, they want worker
drones. And if you take a look back at
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the format of the US public schools, it's the Prussian model
that it was essentially we're going to train these kids to go
work in the factory. You got the the starting bell
for the shift work. You got the oh the.
The Bellins School rang okay that we can get up and go to our
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next station on the assembly line and it's just stayed that
way. And it's become so normalized
that even talking to my nieces and nephews that are in high
school and middle school now, they're saying I learned about
World War 2 in history class. Nothing about the Revolutionary
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War, Nothing about the Civil War, just that.
Some guy got shot and World War One kicked off and then the
Nazis existed and that's about it.
And I've become the the, the crazy uncle at the family
reunions sitting here talking about all these conspiracy
theories. And my some of my siblings
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entertain it because they think it's funny.
But my nieces and nephews, they're just, they're looking at
me like, what do you mean? Tuskegee like MK Ultra.
What? What is what is that?
And like, Oh my sweet summer children, come around the
campfire. I have stories to tell you.
Yeah, exactly, man, exactly. You know, and a lot.
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One of my favorite ones to really look at is Operation
Northwards from from the 60s. You know, I mean, when it comes
to a tinfoil hat wearing, man, I'm all over it.
I usually start with Project Paper Clip because they do.
They hammer home Nazis bad. And like, well, they weren't
apparently too bad to work on the Manhattan Project.
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But wait, they did What? Oh, yeah.
No, no, that didn't happen. Yes, it did.
Yes, it did. Absolutely.
And this is where I come back tomaybe.
I'm glad we went down this route.
Now this is. I think this is the main reason
as well why why schools are are changing the way they are
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because it removes all critical thinking like you say it.
It gets us used to listening at the bell.
We can move on when the bell goes, you know.
Otherwise you don't move. You listen to what you're you're
supposed to listen to do as you're told and and move on, you
know. And then I've got.
I like you. I've got my friends, my family
that look at me sideways. Like, dude, what kind of UFO did
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you fall off? Oh yeah, no, the aliens are real
guys, you know? But no, they're like, what the
hell is going on with you? And I thought, I look at it this
way, right? Like, do you really think that
the government is going to tell you everything that's going on?
Like, I'm a father to a 7 year old, and I still lie to that
little bastard, you know? Now, in the grand scheme of
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things, the government is like our supervisor, right?
Our guardian, so to speak. And I use that word really
loosely. But are they gonna really tell
us the truth? No.
They're still gonna tell us thatSanta's real.
They're gonna tell us that, you know, the Easter Bunny comes
once a year. It's the same deal, man.
Oh yeah, and I don't, kind of switching back to the the
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teacher aspect of of it all of they don't even really know that
they're part of the machine. By and large, they're collecting
their paycheck. They're doing their job.
They're doing the best that theycan with the resources given to
them. But by and large, they're
helping the machine, as it were.Just continue producing good
little worker drones. So what?
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What kind of differences? Apart from shop class coming
back and home and civics and, you know the stuff from the good
old days, where do you think theeducation system should be
moving? Because obviously what we're
what we're working on now was done by our old mate Henry Ford
and exactly that to create little factory workers, worker
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bees, you know and the world's changing where it's going
automated now like we got a I rocking around and and
everything else. Don't you think something should
change in school? To change with the the the, the
climate, social climate? I think that the entire
education system needs to be gutted.
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School choice down here in Arizona has become huge.
There's a very concerted effort from the public school advocates
to destroy the education scholarship accounts that were
set up by our previous governor before the elections happened
the past year. And they are pissed.
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They're trying everything they can to keep the status quo.
But parents are finally waking up and realizing, oh, this is
not the system that I went through that was good-natured
and actually looking out for me.The system's completely broken.
I don't recognize what is going on here.
What what are you teaching my kids?
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You didn't think that you shouldask me how I feel about that.
And so school choice is just skyrocketing.
For those that may not understand exactly how the
public system public school system works in the United
States, a lot of your property taxes are tied to the school
district that your house is in. So even if your student is going
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to a school across the city, that funding does not leave the
district. With school choice, it does.
So now the portion of whatever property tax you would pay to
the school district that your house is in follows your kid.
And they are not happy about that because they have their,
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they have their set budgets, they don't like to have to
change anything around. And just in Arizona, we're
looking at nearly a billion dollars being moved around
following the students. To the schools that are actually
teaching our kids instead of not, we'll we'll put it that
way. Now, look, I think it's really
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insane. I mean, we're lucky here.
You can only go to the school that you like, the districts
that you're in, right? So if we're and it's it's a
really small area, we can move over the other side of the main
road which is a stone's throw away just moving over the other
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side of the main road. My son can no longer go to the
school that he's in now he has to go to the other, the next one
further up the road. And so I guess again I'm not
100% sure how it works here, buton on that note that you're
making about property taxes and and that sort of thing.
I mean, I guess in in a way, like here, if that that idea is
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implemented, that's how it wouldwork anyway, because you you're
still within that little district of that school
regardless. It's not like you're going to a
different school, you know what I mean?
But another thing I want to touch on as well is like the
schools are starting to really do some wacky stuff as well, you
know? And they're not like you were
saying that you didn't think to ask the parents, you know, for
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example. And this might.
I don't know that if this is going to surprise you or not,
because I mean, America's Got some crazy shit going on every
day. But I heard or read an article
just recently. There was a school up in the
north of Sydney who was making it mandatory for children of a
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particular class to have a sleepover at the school.
It was compulsory for the children to have a sleepover at
the school and now only 7-6 or seven years old year old kids.
That's. Creepy.
Yeah. And the the the parents are
going well. Hang on, like, have you even
stopped to think of the parents?We're not.
We're not going to let this happen, you know?
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And then you've also got to takeinto account you at six or seven
you may still have children withbed wetting issues or or
separation anxiety issues, that sort of thing.
Just disrupting the bedtime routine would cause haddock.
Absolutely. And so I was like, how does the
school decide that they've got this reach to say, oh, we're
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having a sleepover and it's compulsory you have to be at the
school for this night? Are the parents allowed to stay
with their kids? Or is it no, no, no, no, no, no,
no. This is a sleepover for the
children. Oh hell no.
Uh, uh, I agree. You know, at least when I was a
kid, if there was going to be a weekend camp or whatever, the
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permission slips went out. It wasn't a case of we're going
away and you're it's compulsory.It was like, I know the parents
have a say here and it seems like that that's slowly being
taken away bit by bit. Yeah, and it there was a a huge
stink just earlier this year that when the parents started
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pushing back, the teachers lost their mind of, well, I'm, I'm
the one with the master's degree.
These parents don't know what they're talking about.
I'm the expert here. These are my kids and everyone's
like. No, those are our kids that we
have seated temporary custodial ship to you for a very limited
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amount of time in a very limitedcapacity.
These are not your kids. Don't try to act like it.
Yeah, I agree with you. Absolutely I agree with you.
And another thing I've noticed that's changing here as well is
I remember the permission slip had to be signed in order to go
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right. It's kind of done a 180 flip now
and so the child is automatically going unless you
sign a non permission slip saying I do not allow my child.
It's an opt out system instead of an opt in system.
Which is disgusting because I mean no offense to the kids of.
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I don't remember. I I still don't remember what I
had for breakfast this morning. You think I remembered to tell
my parents? Oh hey, I need you to sign this
permission slip for me so I don't have to go to whatever
event unless I really didn't want to go that.
Look, there's just so much goingon in schools at the moment that
I just don't agree with. I could touch on so many
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different aspects, but I don't want to turn this into a a
politically charged social issuekind of podcast, you know?
So bring it, bring in a background then.
Are you setting up some some kind of program now where you're
able to start rolling this out to more schools or at least
start introducing it and go, hey, this is the proposal we've
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got and this is how it can be good and all that sort of great
stuff. Yeah, my wife and I we've we're
starting out with a curriculum that teachers and parents can
buy of. Here's your 3D printing 101 or
Introduction to 3D Printing. Here's your it's it's literally
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a full curriculum. Here's the syllabus that you can
go by, here's the unit lessons throughout the semester.
And we're trying to make it super easy to follow for even
parents that have zero idea whata 3D printer was until 5 minutes
ago could still read through andunderstand what's going on.
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And so you've, I assume you've taken your technical knowledge
and combined it with your wife'slesson planning skills and being
able to put that together that way.
Yep. My wife is an English teacher.
So she's the she's the one of OK, lose the technical jargon.
This is how we're gonna rephraseit.
OK, that makes that makes a lot more sense.
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OK, that. Yes, dear.
So it's definitely A-Team effortand.
I wouldn't have even had the idea to do this in the 1st
place. It wasn't for my wife.
And she's been, she's been on it.
She's been kicking my butt of hey, this is, this is what we
need to do. You need to get your butt in
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gear and actually follow throughon the promises that you made.
Because it's not just you blowing smoke to impress your
clients anymore. You got kids educations on the
line now? Now you make me feel bad.
I'll tell you what though, I think if it wasn't for our
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wives, we would be kind of lost,wouldn't we?
Oh yeah I have a I have ooh shiny syndrome.
So it's it's it's really nice tobe able to look at over over at
her and she's like OK you know you're you're you're still fine
you're riding the line a little bit but you're the technical
geek so as long as. If that makes sense.
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I'll do my job, you to yours, and we'll meet in the middle.
If it was just me, if this wouldhave crashed and burned long
before at this point, so where do you see this going in the
long term? And then surely you've got some
sort of vision for it. Yeah, right now, within the next
three years, we want 50 more printer actual printers in
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schools. We would like to have them in
public schools because that's where the lion's share of the
kids are. But it seems like we're going to
have to start with the private schools, the home schools, and
slowly creep in when the public schools realize that, oh, this
is actually a successful thing, then we'll implement it.
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But hopefully we want to expand nationwide.
We want this to be the complete revolution.
Bring shop class back to the entire public education system,
kind of go back to our roots, you know just with the the
modern setting and hopefully it'll have a flow over effect of
bring shop class back, bring leather working, bring back home
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back, yeah. Absolutely, man.
And I mean, even even just with with 3D printing and coding,
just having them in schools is is even better than not having
anything at all. You know what I mean?
Because that's the the climate that we're in now, everything's
digitized, everything. It's just insane.
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If you if you can read code, youcould write code.
Mate, you've got a golden ticketright in your head.
Yeah. And we have one school in
Colorado that because we had one3D printer in their classroom,
they now have they got permission from the
administration to get a CNC machine.
They have a glow forge laser engraver and they even put in a
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sewing machine like they have a full-fledged maker space in this
elementary school. So kids that are 6 through 8 are
now being exposed to four different trades right there.
All because there was just a single crappy Ender 3 that I
didn't wanna have to carry down to Arizona with me.
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Yeah, absolutely, man. And like, really, when you think
about it as well, you've got people like myself who are
neurodivergent that do not just do not click with a pen and
paper. It just doesn't happen, right.
And so the perfect example. When I was in school, I sucked
at mathematics. Absolutely sucked at it.
But you put me in a little science class.
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There was a practical outcome from the mathematics.
I'd pick it up just like that. Yet staring the numbers on a
page, it had no meaning. Right.
And so like we were saying earlier, you know, there's all
these all these different aspects of, you know, the
chemistry behind it. There's the the manufacturing
idea behind it. There's the the design factor.
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You know, cuz these kids are hands on doing something
practical, they're more likely to pick it up easier than just
learning the periodic table in chemistry or you know, doing an
engineering course or whatever, doing drafting and CAD and all
that sort of thing. Oh yeah, and the thing that my
wife really hammered home with me early on was just take my
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wife and I I am the analytical. If you give me the formula, it
makes sense. You put that formula into a word
problem. I have no idea what the hell you
want me to do with it. Kids learn differently and
you're not going to There's going to be some kids that will
look at you and be like I'm, I'mgood.
I'm going to go stick to my textbook and that's great.
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But at least they have been exposed of hey, there's this
other thing you could tinker with.
See if that helps like I'm I'm good.
But at least they would have known that there was something
else, that if they were struggling it something else was
there to maybe help them along. And it's, it's funny as well,
you know, because like, I'm still terrible at math.
But the The funny thing is I do it every day at work.
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You know, I'm a welder and a fabricator.
I'm constantly measuring stuff and subtraction and addition and
multiplication and OK, we're going to divide this by this and
that. I'm going to get this and this
is going to happen at the end ofit.
I've got this practical. Outcome.
And that's what I love about it.You know, I like you, say a
word. Problem mate.
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You, you can take that to the bathroom with you and wipe when
you're done because it's it's useless to me.
Yeah, exactly. Another thing that was pointed
out to me by another one of my teachers was this is so scalable
that from elementary to college,it's so simplistic that you can
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just explain to the kid, hey, push this button, this thing
could be made and here's why. To everything is open source.
So high school, college, they can design their own printer.
They can go into, hey, I want totackle 3D printing houses, which
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is what they've started doing now, and just completely run
with it as far as they want there.
There is no proprietary softwareby and large.
It's all community based. It's all everything is open.
There's nothing being hidden. Like I said, I could talk for
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hours about all of this and it'skind of gotten away from me to
be quite honest. It's I did I did not expect this
to be what it is. It's just people are so sick and
tired of the how the system is and they're just, they want to
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try new things. But this, the establishment
wants to keep the status quo andis fighting back and it's really
waking up a lot of parents of I just want my kid to go to a
better school, like and all of asudden I'm being demonized for
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it. Like what?
I I don't understand why. Why can't I want the best for my
kid? And that really resonates with a
lot of people of well, that's the entire point that I'm
slaving away at this job that I most likely hate so my kids can
have a better future. And for someone else to be
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standing in the way of that is offensive to me.
So I'm taking it upon myself of screw you.
I'm going to pave a way for my kid to have a better life than I
did because I don't have a college degree, I have a high
school diploma, I'm doing all ofthis with by the seat of my
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pants. So it it's kind of a a living
testament of you don't need a college degree to have an impact
on the world. And I think more people need to
see that of well, I don't. I don't want to go to college
and spend 4 years. Like, what if I decide that I
don't want to have the job in the field that I'm in and I
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change my mind? All of a sudden I'm $80,000 in
debt? Well, you don't have to.
You can go into a trade, You canstart your own business, You can
do whatever the hell you want. You don't have to abide by what
everyone else is doing. But it's being, it's being
demonized and it really, it rubsme the wrong way that people are
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just being shoehorned into this mold.
And it's heartbreaking and I'm really glad that people are
starting to finally push back and say no, this is unacceptable
at this point. You've you've crossed over a
line and we're we're taking backcontrol.
I agree with you 110% there, man.
Well, look, we're just about outof time, but I'll.
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I'll leave you with this one. One last question, right.
So you. They're about three, maybe four
years at most away from having your little ones in school.
What do you hope would change between then and now?
I want to see more states move to a school choice model because
right now I think there's only, I would have to look up the
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exact stats. But the vast majority of the
United States operates under what Australia's doing.
Where you are is the school thatyou go to and your neighbor
across the street could be in a completely different district
from you and there's nothing youcan do about it.
You'll never see each other in school and it's it's arbitrary,
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it's outdated. And I'm hoping that by letting
the the competition of hey, all these parents are clamoring to
get into this school, we need tostart emulating that so we stop
losing students and funding. And I get a lot of Flack for
this, but I think the failings the failing school should fail.
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They should be shut down. The administration should be
completely gutted, Start from scratch, hire a completely new
admin staff, new teachers, startfrom the ground up and see if
you can do it better this time because whatever you did was not
working and clearly needed to change.
But we shouldn't be screwing around with our kids future.
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It should be the first priority,so if these schools are not
fulfilling their obligation to our kids, they should be
eradicated. They should be completely shut
down and start over. Absolutely.
Well, James, look, thanks man, and I appreciate everything
you're doing. And keep up the good fight, man.
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Keep fighting the good fight because somebody needs to be
doing something and too many people are sitting on their
hands. Yeah, if people just want to get
involved or even just learn moreabout it, feel free to reach
out. I'm more than happy to even just
talk to people about the possibilities because it it it's
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uncharted territory. People don't even know which way
to go to reach dry land at this point.
So I hope to be the the compass that people can look to to
figure out. Okay, we let's head in this
direction and see where that leads us.
Yeah, and how can people get in touch with you if they want to
learn more? So our company is 3D Printed
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Creations. We're on Instagram, Facebook.
You can go to the website, 3D Printed, creations.com.
There's a contact form. Pretty much any way that you
want to reach out. My wife and I will get back to
people. Awesome stuff man.
Thanks so much for your time today, dude.
Yeah, thanks Nate. I really appreciate having me
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Under this week's episode, I satdown with a man from the states
with a great idea. His name is James Law.
Now James is working in tandem with his wife to get this
mission of his off the ground. James is a visionary
entrepreneur and his wife is an educator.
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So they've been doing some awesome work together and in
this episode we sit down and we talk about his mission to
transform education through the power of 3D printing.
So drawing from his unique experiences and insights, James
shares how he and his wife are reshaping the way students learn
by integrating hands on practical skills in the into the
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curriculum. Now with a focus on problem
solving, creativity, and critical thinking, James
explains how their innovative approach challenges traditional
educational paradigms. And as the discussion unfolds,
we're going to gain a deeper understanding of the limitations
of conventional schooling and how James's are pushing the
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boundaries to create a more dynamic learning environment.
I really enjoyed this conversation with James.
We put on our tin foil hats for a moment and you know, wondered
if maybe the government is really doing all this and this
is all planned, or whether they've just gone tits up and
(03:59):
lost sight of what education is meant to be.
Either way, I'm not going to keep going on about it here in
the intro because I've got about45 minutes of content with James
to listen to. So without further ado, let me
introduce James Moore. Hey, James, Thanks so much for
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coming on the show today, man. Yeah.
Thank you. I really appreciate you having
me on, Nate. It's look, man, I I appreciate
it because I know what it's like1:00 in the morning over there
at the moment. So you know, like you're you're
really, you know, burning the midnight oil to spend some time
with me, man. So I really appreciate it.
Well, before we get too far intothis, just sort of what, what's
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your background? Sort of introduce yourself and
and let us know what your background is, man.
So I have a very interesting background.
I started out in IT and telecom.I did that for six years.
I specifically did a number reporting for a cell phone
number from Verizon, Sprint. I was the guy that did that.
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And then I met my wife. We got married, decided that
corporate life sucked and it wasn't going to let me build the
future that I wanted for my family.
So I got into real estate and been doing that for the past
three years and on the side. I've been doing a lot of 3D
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printing and since my wife is a teacher, when we we recently
moved from Colorado to Arizona and I had eight machines that I
did not want to have to move that would just be a nightmare.
So we donated them all to schools in Colorado and it just
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exploded from there of people reaching out.
Saying, can we get one, do you still have any left?
Like, please. Like we've been begging our
administrators for years just tohave this technology and they're
just stonewalling us. So that that's kind of taken a
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big focus of our time of, well, let's, let's get these machines
into the schools. There's this massive demand for
it. So let's let's give it to them.
Is there a reason why school administrations are trying to
stone all this and and making itso hard?
I don't want to assign like nefarious purposes, but a lot of
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it is just budget constraints. The public schools do not budget
their budget properly. It's there's tons of waste and
nobody ever wants to rearrange it.
So to have a teacher come in andsay, hey, we want this 3D
printer in for a machine class. The default answer is it's not
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in the budget. Okay.
Well, enter me. Hey, I'll donate the machines.
Oh well, we don't have the the capacity for the teachers to to
handle this new curriculum. Well, the teachers are literally
begging you for this, so other than they just don't want to.
I haven't really gotten a concise answer for why it's been
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such a pain to get these into public schools specifically.
To me it sounds like a bunch of bureaucratic red type that
nobody wants to really wanna deal with the hassle of.
That's pretty much it. The bureaucracy is just it's so
large that nothing really gets done and it's it's really a
detriment to the students. I don't give a crap about the
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adults that have to deal with it.
It's that the kids are the ones that suffer from it.
Yeah, absolutely, man. I mean, look, I think having
having things like that in schools is advantageous for the
kids. Because I I remember when I was
in in high school and I'm probably aging myself or dating
myself a little bit here. But I graduated in 2003 and so
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I'm not sure, I'm not sure aboutthe the public schools here, but
I went to a private school and we had manual arts, I think in
in the States you'd call it shopclass, you know.
And so yeah, you had your woodshop, you had your meta
working, you had automotive. And I believe there might have
been a third one. Oh, Home EC, Home economics.
(08:32):
Ah, home EC. That brings me back, right?
Man, I always loved walking out of home EC with my cookies or
whatever I'd made that day and teasing all the guys that
weren't in there. Oh, and you.
You'd always have the girls coming up because.
You're a guy that cooks What? What is this Unicorn?
Absolutely right. So I think having having
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something like this in the schools today, I think it's
fantastic idea. If it wasn't for manual arts, I
don't think I'd be in the in thegig that I'm in now.
You know, I've been welding for 20 years now and if it wasn't
for having a metal work class inhigh school, I don't know where
I'd be. So having a 3D printer in
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classes, it sounds sounds like asmart thing to do to me.
Yeah, so we just did this for the first time last year.
So it's been a full school year in rotation.
And I'm finally getting feedbackfrom the teachers of, hey, this
was great, but here's the challenges that we faced.
Here's the success stories. But by and large, the kids are
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They have this sense of accomplishment that they've been
given. It doesn't matter what they
made. They made just a headphone
holder to put on the side of their desk because a lot of it
now is moving to digital and everything's on headset.
So they made these custom headset holders for their desks
and they got to pick out the color that they had.
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Control is really what it comes down to, that they were able to
do something of their own volition and actually control
something in the school environment that wasn't just.
Sit down, shut up. Let me talk for 90 minutes.
Go to your next class where you're gonna sit down and shut
up to listen to another teacher talk.
Yeah. And I'd.
I'd like to see more extracurriculars like that in
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the schools. It's why?
I mean, my son is 7 and and I don't know, like, I'm kind of
bummed out really because it's it's not something that he's
going to experience unless somebody like you comes along
and says, hi man, let me just give you what I've got.
Yeah, and I have a three-year old daughter and just with being
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exposed to seeing dad work with his hands, she's helping dad
with building stuff and saying here you go.
I don't see that with some of myfriends, kids that are older.
It's almost like the the arts are just completely
disappearing. Yeah, absolutely, man.
I think creativity is something that we really need to foster in
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their kids, no matter what form it might be, whether it be
music, whether it be art or moving into the 21st century
doing 3D printing and and that sort of thing.
Because really, when you think about it, especially with 3D
printing, these kids can become inventors.
Absolutely. You know, they're not just to
run-of-the-mill factory worker anymore.
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No, you need both a sense of artistry to do the CAD design.
But you also need the technical skills to be able to run and
troubleshoot the machine. So it's this beautiful mix of
the two that a lot of the charter and private schools are
full on embracing. They're running in stride with
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it, and the kids are just so farahead of their peers just
because of it. Well, look, I'm a complete dummy
when it comes to all of this. So can you explain to me how 3D
printing works and what the capabilities of it are?
I'm sure there are a lot of other dads out there that know,
but like I say, I'm still stuck.Stuck in the dark ages?
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Yeah. So the type of 3D printing that
I mainly do is considered hobby.There's the industrial that you
get into with the lasers and themelting metal.
But the desktop 3D printers thatthe stuff that's just literally
sitting on my kitchen table right now.
The technical term is additive manufacturing.
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The best way that I can really describe it is think of a sewing
machine. Yeah, take the thread, you loop
it through the machine and it gets put out at the very fine
tip of a needle, and wherever that needle goes, the thread
follows. Very same concept, just you're
going on the Z axis. Kind of similar to what an
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embroidery machine would do, Just much, much taller.
Yeah, well, so in your spare time, what kind of things are
you working on then? I started out doing a lot of
cosplay stuff. The cons had just banned wooden
and metal props. SO3D printing was the perfect
medium of it's plastic, but it looks legit, so I've done a lot
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of swords. Swords are like my mainstay from
the Dark Souls series, and if anyone's familiar with Brandon
and Sanderson's Storm Light archive, I had Oath Bringer.
It's 7 feet tall, only weighs about 3 1/2 pounds.
Very true to form for the books.I am very proud of that sword.
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It's currently sitting above oneof my friends mantles right now.
That is insane. Look I've seen online, you know
people make little trinkets and and that sort of thing.
How do you go about making a 7 foot sword if you're working off
the Z axis? Are you are you doing at the
length of the dining table or how's that work?
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That sword was in about 7 or 8 different pieces, so it's all
epoxy glue. There are 3D printers now that
are on a belt axis, so it can continuously print, but that's
only come around in the past couple years, so that one's
still kind of in progress. But that's where the the
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technical skills of working withyour hands, figuring out what
paints work on the plastic, whatglues need to work in tandem
with the two. So that's when the art, the
artistry, really comes into it of well, you can make whatever
you want in CAD. But anyone who's worked in CAD
knows that making it into a printable file is a whole nother
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ball game, because everything actually has to mesh together
properly. When I was younger, I was right
into aero modeling, you know, I was all all about the the pipes
and the glue and and get gettingmessy and all that.
And it's it's interesting you mentioned like you, you end up
having to work out what you can use with the plastic and that
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sort of thing because I learned very, very fast that super glue
is terrible for aero modeling. It just ends up melting the
pieces. So again, I think that's great,
especially for the kids in school to learn stuff like that.
If they're able to that OK, because it's no longer just a
creative endeavor either. You're then looking at a
chemistry aspect of things as well.
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Exactly, exactly. So there's tons of different
ways that I've been able to kindof combat the administration's
of these schools of well, you really don't have an excuse
outside of budgetary restraints and.
I'm even overcoming that for you.
So whether it's you want your kids to be more artistic or
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chemistry or math, there's no excuse that you can't find
something to throw this in, evenif it's just general use.
Hey, we have a 3D printer in thelibrary.
Yeah. I mean, when you really think
about it, there's so many skillsthat can be transferred over to
different areas. I mean, even with just the CAD
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aspect itself, you could end up going to manufacturing and being
a draftsman and you can make really good money as a
draftsman. Yeah, it can even lead you into,
hey, look, I want to be an engineer or whatever.
I think introducing STEM, anything STEM related to the
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kids, I think it's just a great thing to do because it's just
that they are skills that are just so easily transferable.
Absolutely, absolutely. And the CAD is just so universal
almost at this point. I know people that are doing
cabinets, that they're designingcustom kitchens for people.
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There's me Personally, I was approached by a.
Very large national builder herein the States to 3D print their
new model homes so they can display them in their sales
centers. So you take the floor plans of
the homes and actually have likea little miniature home of the
home you're about to walk through.
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What a great. Idea.
I'm learning new things, new applications every single time I
talk to somebody. If I could use that for this
this and it's like I didn't even.
That didn't even cross my mind. But yes, you are completely
correct. So how how has this worked out?
Like because you were saying that you you left eight machines
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in Arizona because you just didn't want to move them?
Yeah, they were. I had gotten down my process to.
Those machines were running 24/7for almost four years straight,
so they were well used and in technology terms a 5 year old
machine is ancient. So it was I wanted to upgrade to
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new toys. I knew my through my wife that
had teacher contacts that we knew where people were wanting
them. We just didn't know that the
word was going to spread of hey,this guy's giving out 3D
printers and all of a sudden I have 500 people in my inbox from
all across the state saying asking if we could either give
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them one or teach them how to get one themselves.
Because these machines are only two, 300 bucks now as opposed to
what they were even five years ago, they were five, six, 700
bucks. So obviously the schools have
had their bureaucratic red tape that they have to run through,
like you said earlier, budgetingand all that sort of thing.
Did you end up finding any pushback at all trying to just
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give the schools these machines?Not particularly.
Once I overcame the. Well, I'm donating them to you
it then other excuses came out. They usually wouldn't push back
against that, but a large concern was going in of, well,
are they just going to, are theygoing to use it?
Do they have a teacher that evenhas the bandwidth to take on
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additional curriculum outside oftheir additional duties?
Because I don't know what it is like down where you guys are,
but. There's a massive teacher
shortage over here and there's classrooms of 45 to 50 students
sometimes and a teacher can be teaching 234 classes a day, 45
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kids asking them to take on, hey, do you also want to do a
three printing class is just notfeasible.
So a lot of the the schools thatwe've had very good success in
is the charter schools of private schools and the the
micro schools. And now we're moving on to home
schools. Cool.
I love that. I really love that.
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Well, I'm actually thinking along the lines of like, who
could teach something like that now?
I mean, I don't know. Again, I've been out of school
so long, I don't know how thingshave changed exactly.
But I mean, when I was in school, we had information
technology class, right? We just called it class.
And that was you'd be learning your basic back then.
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It was word processing and. How to download an MP3 And
really really simple stuff, cuz I mean the Internet was still
realistically in its infancy, but I mean if there's a computer
teacher there, surely that's theperson that's gonna know how to
operate this stuff, or at least be able to work it out.
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Typically, it's far outside of any teacher's actual job
description, even the IT guy. Is going to be.
If he has knowledge of the 3D printers, it's going to be
because he also owns them and he's a hobbyist himself.
We're pretty much entering uncharted territory.
There's a couple schools that wefound out here that have
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thriving 3D printing classes already embedded into their
curriculum, but by and large, this is uncharted territory
completely. So we're just trying to figure
out what's working and what's not.
So the whole purpose behind introducing this into the
schools is by and large just to to replace shop classes, cuz
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they no longer exist. Is that correct?
Pretty much, yeah. I was the last class in my
middle school. I was in middle school in 2004.
We were the last year that they had shop class and it was
woodworking. They used to have an eighth
grade class of metalworking, butby then it was completely gone.
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The only trade class that we hadwas Homac, and the next year
after that they got rid of that.So even the people that
graduated one year behind me never had those experiences.
And now that they're getting into being more, they have a lot
of expendable income. They're getting into their own
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hobbies. They're thinking, wow, if I had
access to this when I was 15, I could be retired by now.
Yeah, absolutely. Look, one thing that's always,
always baffled me and it's it's very much a culture thing, is
that there's in the states, there's so much emphasis put on
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getting a college degree. Now.
I don't really see all that muchemphasis on getting a trade, you
know, going to trade school and becoming a plumber or a
Carpenter or a welder or, you know, and I mean these are
people we need. You know, I I understand it's
great to go to college, get a a master's in engineering or
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something along those lines, butyou've still going to have the
guys that know how to build the stuff.
And so like here in in Australiawe have a lot of a lot more
focus on trades and and doing apprenticeships and that sort of
thing. I think by taking the the shop
classes out of schools it's really alienating the kids even
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further from like a skill based profession.
Oh yeah. Are you familiar with Micro?
I love Micro. Dirty Jobs, man.
It's one of the great shows I'veever seen.
He did an interview probably a year or maybe 2 ago now and he
said something that just punchedme in the gut that we have
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arbitraged these trades out of school and essentially told
these kids. These jobs are so insignificant
you don't even get a look at them.
And to me, I always viewed that people need to have the
knowledge to know what they wantto do.
So if like even the people, likeI said just a year behind me,
they didn't even know that shop class was the thing.
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So how would they know if they enjoy working with their hands,
if they like woodworking versus metalworking, or if they like
welding or forging? These kids are being put into
this box of You get to your pipeline, you do your primary
school, you do your college, andyou come out with a fancy degree
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and 10s of thousands, hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt.
Good luck. And that still blows my mind how
that works, because a lot of by the time they've finished
college or whatever, that degreethey've spent all that time and
money on working, working on is,is now obsolete.
There's no nothing in the job market for that degree, which is
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where I think you know, having an apprenticeship, going to
trade school, getting your handsdirty is, is really good.
And people don't even know that you get paid as an apprentice to
learn your trade. You're not getting paid in
school. You're not getting paid to go to
college. Even if you have scholarships
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and grants, that's money you will most likely have to pay
back. It's a journeyman that's five
years into his education. He'll he doesn't owe anything.
In fact, he's probably making pushing $90,000 a year.
Yeah, exactly. Now also to to take a moment to
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put my tinfoil hats on here as well.
Sweet. Let me get mine.
Alright, awesome. Look, I I wanna, I wanna get
your opinion on this. What do you think?
Because I've noticed it doesn't seem to be just like shop class
or home economics or something like that that's been taken
away. But even something as basic as
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civics, you know, like being able to do a tax return, being
able to write a resume, how to get a job, compound interest on
your savings, all this stuff, itdoesn't even seem to be taught
in schools anymore either. Social studies seems to just be
pushed to the wayside. I I mean, personally, I have my
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own opinions, but what do you, what do you reckon the agenda is
behind that? Because it's it seems like
they're trying to just take awayall kind of basic knowledge.
So then we're reliant. Yeah, that's that's pretty much
where I'm coming from. It too of.
They don't want a self thinking society, they want worker
drones. And if you take a look back at
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the format of the US public schools, it's the Prussian model
that it was essentially we're going to train these kids to go
work in the factory. You got the the starting bell
for the shift work. You got the oh the.
The Bellins School rang okay that we can get up and go to our
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next station on the assembly line and it's just stayed that
way. And it's become so normalized
that even talking to my nieces and nephews that are in high
school and middle school now, they're saying I learned about
World War 2 in history class. Nothing about the Revolutionary
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War, Nothing about the Civil War, just that.
Some guy got shot and World War One kicked off and then the
Nazis existed and that's about it.
And I've become the the, the crazy uncle at the family
reunions sitting here talking about all these conspiracy
theories. And my some of my siblings
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entertain it because they think it's funny.
But my nieces and nephews, they're just, they're looking at
me like, what do you mean? Tuskegee like MK Ultra.
What? What is what is that?
And like, Oh my sweet summer children, come around the
campfire. I have stories to tell you.
Yeah, exactly, man, exactly. You know, and a lot.
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One of my favorite ones to really look at is Operation
Northwards from from the 60s. You know, I mean, when it comes
to a tinfoil hat wearing, man, I'm all over it.
I usually start with Project Paper Clip because they do.
They hammer home Nazis bad. And like, well, they weren't
apparently too bad to work on the Manhattan Project.
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But wait, they did What? Oh, yeah.
No, no, that didn't happen. Yes, it did.
Yes, it did. Absolutely.
And this is where I come back tomaybe.
I'm glad we went down this route.
Now this is. I think this is the main reason
as well why why schools are are changing the way they are
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because it removes all critical thinking like you say it.
It gets us used to listening at the bell.
We can move on when the bell goes, you know.
Otherwise you don't move. You listen to what you're you're
supposed to listen to do as you're told and and move on, you
know. And then I've got.
I like you. I've got my friends, my family
that look at me sideways. Like, dude, what kind of UFO did
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you fall off? Oh yeah, no, the aliens are real
guys, you know? But no, they're like, what the
hell is going on with you? And I thought, I look at it this
way, right? Like, do you really think that
the government is going to tell you everything that's going on?
Like, I'm a father to a 7 year old, and I still lie to that
little bastard, you know? Now, in the grand scheme of
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things, the government is like our supervisor, right?
Our guardian, so to speak. And I use that word really
loosely. But are they gonna really tell
us the truth? No.
They're still gonna tell us thatSanta's real.
They're gonna tell us that, you know, the Easter Bunny comes
once a year. It's the same deal, man.
Oh yeah, and I don't, kind of switching back to the the
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teacher aspect of of it all of they don't even really know that
they're part of the machine. By and large, they're collecting
their paycheck. They're doing their job.
They're doing the best that theycan with the resources given to
them. But by and large, they're
helping the machine, as it were.Just continue producing good
little worker drones. So what?
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What kind of differences? Apart from shop class coming
back and home and civics and, you know the stuff from the good
old days, where do you think theeducation system should be
moving? Because obviously what we're
what we're working on now was done by our old mate Henry Ford
and exactly that to create little factory workers, worker
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bees, you know and the world's changing where it's going
automated now like we got a I rocking around and and
everything else. Don't you think something should
change in school? To change with the the the, the
climate, social climate? I think that the entire
education system needs to be gutted.
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School choice down here in Arizona has become huge.
There's a very concerted effort from the public school advocates
to destroy the education scholarship accounts that were
set up by our previous governor before the elections happened
the past year. And they are pissed.
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They're trying everything they can to keep the status quo.
But parents are finally waking up and realizing, oh, this is
not the system that I went through that was good-natured
and actually looking out for me.The system's completely broken.
I don't recognize what is going on here.
What what are you teaching my kids?
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You didn't think that you shouldask me how I feel about that.
And so school choice is just skyrocketing.
For those that may not understand exactly how the
public system public school system works in the United
States, a lot of your property taxes are tied to the school
district that your house is in. So even if your student is going
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to a school across the city, that funding does not leave the
district. With school choice, it does.
So now the portion of whatever property tax you would pay to
the school district that your house is in follows your kid.
And they are not happy about that because they have their,
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they have their set budgets, they don't like to have to
change anything around. And just in Arizona, we're
looking at nearly a billion dollars being moved around
following the students. To the schools that are actually
teaching our kids instead of not, we'll we'll put it that
way. Now, look, I think it's really
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insane. I mean, we're lucky here.
You can only go to the school that you like, the districts
that you're in, right? So if we're and it's it's a
really small area, we can move over the other side of the main
road which is a stone's throw away just moving over the other
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side of the main road. My son can no longer go to the
school that he's in now he has to go to the other, the next one
further up the road. And so I guess again I'm not
100% sure how it works here, buton on that note that you're
making about property taxes and and that sort of thing.
I mean, I guess in in a way, like here, if that that idea is
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implemented, that's how it wouldwork anyway, because you you're
still within that little district of that school
regardless. It's not like you're going to a
different school, you know what I mean?
But another thing I want to touch on as well is like the
schools are starting to really do some wacky stuff as well, you
know? And they're not like you were
saying that you didn't think to ask the parents, you know, for
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example. And this might.
I don't know that if this is going to surprise you or not,
because I mean, America's Got some crazy shit going on every
day. But I heard or read an article
just recently. There was a school up in the
north of Sydney who was making it mandatory for children of a
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particular class to have a sleepover at the school.
It was compulsory for the children to have a sleepover at
the school and now only 7-6 or seven years old year old kids.
That's. Creepy.
Yeah. And the the the parents are
going well. Hang on, like, have you even
stopped to think of the parents?We're not.
We're not going to let this happen, you know?
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And then you've also got to takeinto account you at six or seven
you may still have children withbed wetting issues or or
separation anxiety issues, that sort of thing.
Just disrupting the bedtime routine would cause haddock.
Absolutely. And so I was like, how does the
school decide that they've got this reach to say, oh, we're
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having a sleepover and it's compulsory you have to be at the
school for this night? Are the parents allowed to stay
with their kids? Or is it no, no, no, no, no, no,
no. This is a sleepover for the
children. Oh hell no.
Uh, uh, I agree. You know, at least when I was a
kid, if there was going to be a weekend camp or whatever, the
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permission slips went out. It wasn't a case of we're going
away and you're it's compulsory.It was like, I know the parents
have a say here and it seems like that that's slowly being
taken away bit by bit. Yeah, and it there was a a huge
stink just earlier this year that when the parents started
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pushing back, the teachers lost their mind of, well, I'm, I'm
the one with the master's degree.
These parents don't know what they're talking about.
I'm the expert here. These are my kids and everyone's
like. No, those are our kids that we
have seated temporary custodial ship to you for a very limited
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amount of time in a very limitedcapacity.
These are not your kids. Don't try to act like it.
Yeah, I agree with you. Absolutely I agree with you.
And another thing I've noticed that's changing here as well is
I remember the permission slip had to be signed in order to go
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right. It's kind of done a 180 flip now
and so the child is automatically going unless you
sign a non permission slip saying I do not allow my child.
It's an opt out system instead of an opt in system.
Which is disgusting because I mean no offense to the kids of.
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I don't remember. I I still don't remember what I
had for breakfast this morning. You think I remembered to tell
my parents? Oh hey, I need you to sign this
permission slip for me so I don't have to go to whatever
event unless I really didn't want to go that.
Look, there's just so much goingon in schools at the moment that
I just don't agree with. I could touch on so many
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different aspects, but I don't want to turn this into a a
politically charged social issuekind of podcast, you know?
So bring it, bring in a background then.
Are you setting up some some kind of program now where you're
able to start rolling this out to more schools or at least
start introducing it and go, hey, this is the proposal we've
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got and this is how it can be good and all that sort of great
stuff. Yeah, my wife and I we've we're
starting out with a curriculum that teachers and parents can
buy of. Here's your 3D printing 101 or
Introduction to 3D Printing. Here's your it's it's literally
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a full curriculum. Here's the syllabus that you can
go by, here's the unit lessons throughout the semester.
And we're trying to make it super easy to follow for even
parents that have zero idea whata 3D printer was until 5 minutes
ago could still read through andunderstand what's going on.
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And so you've, I assume you've taken your technical knowledge
and combined it with your wife'slesson planning skills and being
able to put that together that way.
Yep. My wife is an English teacher.
So she's the she's the one of OK, lose the technical jargon.
This is how we're gonna rephraseit.
OK, that makes that makes a lot more sense.
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OK, that. Yes, dear.
So it's definitely A-Team effortand.
I wouldn't have even had the idea to do this in the 1st
place. It wasn't for my wife.
And she's been, she's been on it.
She's been kicking my butt of hey, this is, this is what we
need to do. You need to get your butt in
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gear and actually follow throughon the promises that you made.
Because it's not just you blowing smoke to impress your
clients anymore. You got kids educations on the
line now? Now you make me feel bad.
I'll tell you what though, I think if it wasn't for our
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wives, we would be kind of lost,wouldn't we?
Oh yeah I have a I have ooh shiny syndrome.
So it's it's it's really nice tobe able to look at over over at
her and she's like OK you know you're you're you're still fine
you're riding the line a little bit but you're the technical
geek so as long as. If that makes sense.
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I'll do my job, you to yours, and we'll meet in the middle.
If it was just me, if this wouldhave crashed and burned long
before at this point, so where do you see this going in the
long term? And then surely you've got some
sort of vision for it. Yeah, right now, within the next
three years, we want 50 more printer actual printers in
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schools. We would like to have them in
public schools because that's where the lion's share of the
kids are. But it seems like we're going to
have to start with the private schools, the home schools, and
slowly creep in when the public schools realize that, oh, this
is actually a successful thing, then we'll implement it.
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But hopefully we want to expand nationwide.
We want this to be the complete revolution.
Bring shop class back to the entire public education system,
kind of go back to our roots, you know just with the the
modern setting and hopefully it'll have a flow over effect of
bring shop class back, bring leather working, bring back home
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back, yeah. Absolutely, man.
And I mean, even even just with with 3D printing and coding,
just having them in schools is is even better than not having
anything at all. You know what I mean?
Because that's the the climate that we're in now, everything's
digitized, everything. It's just insane.
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If you if you can read code, youcould write code.
Mate, you've got a golden ticketright in your head.
Yeah. And we have one school in
Colorado that because we had one3D printer in their classroom,
they now have they got permission from the
administration to get a CNC machine.
They have a glow forge laser engraver and they even put in a
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sewing machine like they have a full-fledged maker space in this
elementary school. So kids that are 6 through 8 are
now being exposed to four different trades right there.
All because there was just a single crappy Ender 3 that I
didn't wanna have to carry down to Arizona with me.
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Yeah, absolutely, man. And like, really, when you think
about it as well, you've got people like myself who are
neurodivergent that do not just do not click with a pen and
paper. It just doesn't happen, right.
And so the perfect example. When I was in school, I sucked
at mathematics. Absolutely sucked at it.
But you put me in a little science class.
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There was a practical outcome from the mathematics.
I'd pick it up just like that. Yet staring the numbers on a
page, it had no meaning. Right.
And so like we were saying earlier, you know, there's all
these all these different aspects of, you know, the
chemistry behind it. There's the the manufacturing
idea behind it. There's the the design factor.
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You know, cuz these kids are hands on doing something
practical, they're more likely to pick it up easier than just
learning the periodic table in chemistry or you know, doing an
engineering course or whatever, doing drafting and CAD and all
that sort of thing. Oh yeah, and the thing that my
wife really hammered home with me early on was just take my
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wife and I I am the analytical. If you give me the formula, it
makes sense. You put that formula into a word
problem. I have no idea what the hell you
want me to do with it. Kids learn differently and
you're not going to There's going to be some kids that will
look at you and be like I'm, I'mgood.
I'm going to go stick to my textbook and that's great.
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But at least they have been exposed of hey, there's this
other thing you could tinker with.
See if that helps like I'm I'm good.
But at least they would have known that there was something
else, that if they were struggling it something else was
there to maybe help them along. And it's, it's funny as well,
you know, because like, I'm still terrible at math.
But the The funny thing is I do it every day at work.
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You know, I'm a welder and a fabricator.
I'm constantly measuring stuff and subtraction and addition and
multiplication and OK, we're going to divide this by this and
that. I'm going to get this and this
is going to happen at the end ofit.
I've got this practical. Outcome.
And that's what I love about it.You know, I like you, say a
word. Problem mate.
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You, you can take that to the bathroom with you and wipe when
you're done because it's it's useless to me.
Yeah, exactly. Another thing that was pointed
out to me by another one of my teachers was this is so scalable
that from elementary to college,it's so simplistic that you can
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just explain to the kid, hey, push this button, this thing
could be made and here's why. To everything is open source.
So high school, college, they can design their own printer.
They can go into, hey, I want totackle 3D printing houses, which
(44:44):
is what they've started doing now, and just completely run
with it as far as they want there.
There is no proprietary softwareby and large.
It's all community based. It's all everything is open.
There's nothing being hidden. Like I said, I could talk for
(45:05):
hours about all of this and it'skind of gotten away from me to
be quite honest. It's I did I did not expect this
to be what it is. It's just people are so sick and
tired of the how the system is and they're just, they want to
(45:27):
try new things. But this, the establishment
wants to keep the status quo andis fighting back and it's really
waking up a lot of parents of I just want my kid to go to a
better school, like and all of asudden I'm being demonized for
(45:48):
it. Like what?
I I don't understand why. Why can't I want the best for my
kid? And that really resonates with a
lot of people of well, that's the entire point that I'm
slaving away at this job that I most likely hate so my kids can
have a better future. And for someone else to be
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standing in the way of that is offensive to me.
So I'm taking it upon myself of screw you.
I'm going to pave a way for my kid to have a better life than I
did because I don't have a college degree, I have a high
school diploma, I'm doing all ofthis with by the seat of my
(46:28):
pants. So it it's kind of a a living
testament of you don't need a college degree to have an impact
on the world. And I think more people need to
see that of well, I don't. I don't want to go to college
and spend 4 years. Like, what if I decide that I
don't want to have the job in the field that I'm in and I
(46:52):
change my mind? All of a sudden I'm $80,000 in
debt? Well, you don't have to.
You can go into a trade, You canstart your own business, You can
do whatever the hell you want. You don't have to abide by what
everyone else is doing. But it's being, it's being
demonized and it really, it rubsme the wrong way that people are
(47:14):
just being shoehorned into this mold.
And it's heartbreaking and I'm really glad that people are
starting to finally push back and say no, this is unacceptable
at this point. You've you've crossed over a
line and we're we're taking backcontrol.
I agree with you 110% there, man.
Well, look, we're just about outof time, but I'll.
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I'll leave you with this one. One last question, right.
So you. They're about three, maybe four
years at most away from having your little ones in school.
What do you hope would change between then and now?
I want to see more states move to a school choice model because
right now I think there's only, I would have to look up the
(47:56):
exact stats. But the vast majority of the
United States operates under what Australia's doing.
Where you are is the school thatyou go to and your neighbor
across the street could be in a completely different district
from you and there's nothing youcan do about it.
You'll never see each other in school and it's it's arbitrary,
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it's outdated. And I'm hoping that by letting
the the competition of hey, all these parents are clamoring to
get into this school, we need tostart emulating that so we stop
losing students and funding. And I get a lot of Flack for
this, but I think the failings the failing school should fail.
(48:41):
They should be shut down. The administration should be
completely gutted, Start from scratch, hire a completely new
admin staff, new teachers, startfrom the ground up and see if
you can do it better this time because whatever you did was not
working and clearly needed to change.
But we shouldn't be screwing around with our kids future.
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It should be the first priority,so if these schools are not
fulfilling their obligation to our kids, they should be
eradicated. They should be completely shut
down and start over. Absolutely.
Well, James, look, thanks man, and I appreciate everything
you're doing. And keep up the good fight, man.
(49:26):
Keep fighting the good fight because somebody needs to be
doing something and too many people are sitting on their
hands. Yeah, if people just want to get
involved or even just learn moreabout it, feel free to reach
out. I'm more than happy to even just
talk to people about the possibilities because it it it's
(49:49):
uncharted territory. People don't even know which way
to go to reach dry land at this point.
So I hope to be the the compass that people can look to to
figure out. Okay, we let's head in this
direction and see where that leads us.
Yeah, and how can people get in touch with you if they want to
learn more? So our company is 3D Printed
(50:10):
Creations. We're on Instagram, Facebook.
You can go to the website, 3D Printed, creations.com.
There's a contact form. Pretty much any way that you
want to reach out. My wife and I will get back to
people. Awesome stuff man.
Thanks so much for your time today, dude.
Yeah, thanks Nate. I really appreciate having me
(50:31):
on. Thanks for listening to the
show. If you want to find out more
about today's guest, just check out the links in the show notes.
You can follow the podcast as well on social media at Not So
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It helps more than in real life.Until next time, guys, be the
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