December 18, 2024 • 65 mins
Ever found yourself chuckling over the charming foibles of accents and mispronunciations? Our latest episode bursts into life with a whimsical debate that will have you grinning as my producer and I navigate the endearing maze of linguistic twists. But it's not all laughter; we also delve into the compelling duality faced by background singers stepping into the limelight, illuminated by Emma's enthralling "Puppet Pulpit" track and her TED Talk performance. We stitch together the threads of music, charity, and personal stories, revealing the fabric of genuine philanthropy.
Strap yourselves in for a journey through the pulsating heart of live music at XCAL, where we uncover the essence of artist-focused storytelling in the midst of captivating performances. As I recount my own experiences within the venue's walls, we propose ways to thrust incredible talents like Emma G into the deserved spotlight, harnessing the magic of music to convey poignant messages. Our stroll down memory lane with dueling pianos and heartfelt melodies serves as a reminder of music's timeless role as a messenger for our most cherished causes.
Our conversation takes a vibrant turn as we welcome special guests who illuminate the paths paved by collaborative spirits in the world of business, art, and technology. We laugh, we muse, and we're inspired by stories of startups, the jesters of the corporate realm, and the indelible marks left by artistic expression. As the narrative weaves through media critique, the transformative role of parliament, and the voices of influential guests, we invite you to join the chorus of this multifaceted dialogue—a symphony of insights to entertain, enlighten, and ignite your passion.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm a fucker.
Would they be fucker?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I don't know, in New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (00:06):
Say fucker, I've got nipples.
Fucker, could you milk me that?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
part.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Gay lord fucker it's fucker.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Just so you know, it's not fucker, it's fucker.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Are you trying?
No, it's fucker.
I feel like there's Garlic but,it's fucker, are you?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
trying.
No, it's fucker.
I feel like there's Garlic, butit's fucker.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Garlic.
When you say garlic, I feellike you're saying Gaelic.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
And it's.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Gaelic Gaelic.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's not Gaelic, gaelic Gaelic Two words, two
different words, but I feel likethat's how a drunk freshman
Golic.
I would just like to tell youall that I'm recording you right
now.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Stop Manx.
You're not Minx anymore, you'reManx.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Now he sounds like an Australian Manx.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
I mean, what are these people talking about?
Those are words I don'tunderstand.
Wait, no, we're not going to gointo that, yet Hold your Golic
on.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Chiefers.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I just want to make it known before we go live or
record or whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, we're live.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Oh, we are.
I'm recording you Fantastic.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
This will go in that cut.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
My husband has known me for almost nine years now.
He has been trying over andover again to try to imitate my
accent my producer has known mefor almost eight years and he's
also tried over and over againto imitate my accent, accent, no
, that was really good I'm goodat mimicking that was terrible
(01:41):
terrible no no dip thong strongI can play this all day.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I'm a two-year-old, I can play this all day long all
right, here we go, segment three.
Okay, this is what we did insegment three.
I had a song I was going toplay that Emma sang for us, but
I forgot to download it, soyou're just going to have to
wait and listen to it.
(02:14):
After segment, the real segmentthree.
What we're going to do rightnow is we're going to talk about
the song Emma sang and whatit's called Puppet Pulpit,
puppet Like pulpit.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Puppet Like pulpit Puppet.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Like you do, to a zit Like Marionette Puppet no.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Gosh, you guys are horrible.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Mary Puppet.
No, understand, this is segmentthree.
Now Gloves are off.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Yeah, I see this.
Okay, puppet.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Thankfully, I'm trying to crowd my guy.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Now, when you sing about pulpit, was it like about
a funeral Pulpit.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Like where the preacher stands.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Was it a funeral, gosh, no.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
My next album is going to be a lot more gospel.
I'm not going to lie.
All jokes aside, puppet Awesomesong, thank you I thoroughly
enjoyed it.
It was the first time I'veheard it.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Thank you, and I heard it, I think, three times.
Well, clearly you didn't watchmy second TEDx talk.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Well, I'm going to now.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Oh, so, by the way, now that Emma brought it up.
Emma was on TED Talk and youshould watch it.
Can I imagine you?
Speaker 4 (03:19):
probably played that at XCAL right.
But when I'm like at XCAL, likeyou're hanging out, you're
drinking you're hanging out,you're drinking, you're talking
like the music's kind ofbackground.
You're not paying attention, ohand.
But I've always known.
I mean, I've seen you at X-Cow.
Yes, you have Phenomenal, thankyou, but it's background Like
meaning you're not, like, you'renot there to pay else.
(03:47):
And I knew you had a greatvoice when, when Guy was like
hey, get an M&G on the show, Iwas like, well, that's awesome,
but just a totally differentexperience to be here and get to
know you.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Tonight I've really enjoyed it.
It's one of the things thatlike it's been quite funny Cause
you know you're right I gobetween being this background
singer kind of wallfloweralthough I'm rather a loud
wallflower to then being theperson that's very much center
stage, everyone's quiet andlistening to me, and that can be
(04:11):
kind of confronting.
I'm not going to lie, but yeah,it's a fun balance.
I'm ideating right now.
I'm ideating I can see it, Mike.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
this is what we're talking about.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
But I am.
But I'm thinking about when,what we've talked about for your
charity, and I know we're wayoff script, but it's segment
three.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
It's segment three.
It's so weird thinking of itlike I have a charity.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
There is no script in segment three.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
So I was thinking about because I've been to XCAL
a number of times.
I hang out there all the time.
I've seen a lot of thedifferent things they do there?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I don't think they know who you are there.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
They don't know me, I know.
I think I keep them in businesswhen they place you, where they
place you when you do a Fridaynight show, it's like that you
are the background.
Yes, it's like hey, come Fridaynight Emma G is going to be
there and have dinner and hangout and have drinks and have
conversation.
I think we need to move you tothe foreground.
(05:02):
So I don't think by the bar.
No, I like when we did when wedid the um, we've done dueling
pianos there Right.
When dueling pianos are there,it is, they are the act.
Everybody's paying attention towhat they're saying.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
what their message is Mike, it wasn't always like
that though.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
No, I understand, but always like that though no, I
understand just one, but mypoint is but that was a great
event it was my point is if youwere sitting at the front and it
was like, hey, yeah, emma g isgonna be here and she's gonna
tell her story.
You're not just gonna sing yoursongs, you're gonna tell the
why behind them.
And it's like, hey, payattention, this is not a sit
around and joke around and fuckaround and have your night you
(05:42):
know it's listen to the messagebehind the songs and raise the
money.
So the event that we talkedabout, you are the focal point
and not the entertainment forthe I do, mike, I I have to.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I agree 1000, like your message, like you have to
be the focal point, gotta be butI gotta tell you, because the
message is powerful.
It is, but I've got to tell youthis In X-Cal's defense I don't
think they know no, and I don'tthink they've done I'm not
saying anything bad about howX-Cal has done it to date,
(06:15):
that's not, it at all.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I'm just saying for what we talking with with Jeff,
like Emma, he believes sostrongly in you Like he wants to
he really does.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Jeff loves you.
I know it's mutual, Like theother day when I was talking
he's a great human when we weretalking about having a you know
a benefit thing, um, for yourcause.
Um, he's like, oh, we can't,and up until you're, uh, when
you go on tour and he's like,wait a minute, now I'm just
gonna call, so I can't rememberjack or somebody's like, I'm
(06:52):
just gonna call him and tell himto move somebody out to get her
there.
That's how much he believes.
You know what I mean.
So, like they believe in yourcause, it's just, you know,
they're new, they're new andthey're new on the scene and
they're trying to figure thingsout and and get things right.
And you know, that's where wecome along and we say, dude,
jeff, here's an idea for you.
(07:12):
You should do it like this andthis you know you'll get this
event, you'll get these peoplethere and it'll support this
person with this importantmessage Um, and it's getting
there, man, it's getting thereand I think we're going to help
them, and I think you're goingto help them.
I think your message is goingto be awesome.
No one's ever going to have aprivate song like we had, it's
(07:35):
true, so fuck that.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
We'll always have.
Tonight we will Save.
Tonight we will.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I mean the only people that will enjoy this are
us we're on the same musicalpage right now.
I mean like not many people.
When Emma's like hopefullyyou'll never be like hugely
popular, I mean I hope you'rehugely popular.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
I hope she is, my goodness, just don't forget the
little people I mean.
I hope you are, but I hopeyou're not.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
One of the things that I'm denied about when you
asked me to sing a song tonight.
I have so many songs that meansuch a great deal to me, puppet,
I chose because it encompassesa lot of the messaging that I'm
trying to share with my youngpeople through, yes, youth
(08:25):
coaching.
But to the point you just made,sir.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Oh, first of all, no, no, no, no, let me, let me, or
puppet.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Wow, I'm about to wrestle your ass.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
I love segment three.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
So to your point.
I have a strong pull to what Icall the coopetition mindset,
aka together we rise, like as Ielevate, my entire purpose of
elevation is to bring everybodywith me, just like the people I
(09:03):
surround myself with as theyelevate, their entire purpose is
to rise with, like to bringeverybody to rise.
I don't like this idea of, yeah, when you get big and famous,
you're going to forget thelittle people.
No, you guys have been like.
My people are my people.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Peeps were the peeps.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Okay, that was the 80s calling, but all right.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
She's not wrong guy.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I'll take it, man, I'm a peep, I'm a peeps guy.
Damn straight it is.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
That's wisdom right, there I agree, so I agree with
you.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
That's wisdom.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Wisdom Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
My husband says I'm not older, I'm a classic man.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
He says I invested in a uh technology.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I'm not going to get into all of it, but I invested
in technology not long ago, andwas it ai?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
no, uh, a little bit, there's a little bit of ai
involved in it.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Um, wait, let's guess what technology it?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
is well, well, hang tight.
So I got in real early and Ireally liked the founding team
and I told him.
I said, listen, you have mymoney already.
That's a foregone conclusion.
But I said you can talk to meanytime you want.
I'll be an advisor informally.
You don't have to give meequity, you don't have to do
anything else.
Call me anytime.
(10:18):
He said the only thing I ask inreturn is when you make it big
and you IPO, you pay to fly meto the IPO party.
Yes, that's all I want.
That's all I want.
I just want to be there and belike listen, I believe in you
early, Like let's go, let's havea great time.
That's you know, so many people.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Dude, I have a huge idea, like a big one You're
ideating.
It's ginormous.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Hold up idea Like a big one.
You're ideating.
It's ginormous.
Are you familiar with the fourmindsets?
The ideator, the executor, theI don't remember what the other
ones are.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
No idea, I'm the first two.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I'm going to Google this Relation Like relator.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I'm all of them, all at once the researcher?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Oh, no, not that Can.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I why she's looking this up.
I got to tell you about my idea.
Tell me Idea.
I think I could be like,instead of an investor, like,
hey, dude, I want to invest inyour company and you know this
is what I want back from it Iwant to be their clown, like
(11:29):
their jester, their chest.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
You're the jester, you're the 15 year old boy 48
year old's body I'm your jester.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Do you tell me to do something on camera and I might
do it?
I believe you.
Yeah, I think that would be fun, man.
I think that's why I like you,guy.
Seriously, can you imagine?
Speaker 4 (11:50):
I'm like, someday I'm going to want to do something
that I can't do myself, and Guywill do that for me.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
That's what.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I think.
I might do it.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I might, minx, I just might.
I'm right, she knows, she knows.
Oh, she knows me.
I've done some things.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
So we figure it out, emma.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I I'm still Googling Four key positions.
Maybe this is it.
We have the creator, theadvancer, the refiner, the
executor.
So the creator is the ideator.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Yeah, I feel like I can't be all of those Seems like
a lot I've created, did you?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I created for 38 years.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Had to be there folks .
So, guy, what do we have on thescreen here?
What am I looking at?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Okay, so here's what we're going to do.
So, first of all, your song wasawesome.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
And I hope everybody that watches it will love it as
well.
Can I explain it?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yes, Okay, so I wrote this song a while ago, and the
whole purpose of the song was toclap back against the people
that try to minimize us as humanbeings, as one-dimensional
beings.
You know, I feel like it's veryeasy, and this kind of came
into, you know, full frontal forme when it came to doing my
(13:17):
first and second TEDx talk,because I just I find, like
being on the TED stage, it's soeasy in the media to dumb
ourselves down to one narrative,which I find gross, quite
frankly, and so the whole songof Puppet is just like I'm not
your puppet, I am multifaceted,multidimensional, I'm a whole
(13:40):
freaking human being.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Can I use that as the not the press theme song?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
of course you can oh, you oh intellectual property
that's my damn, I mean honestly,that is the not the press.
Theme is like look, think foryourself and that's what I try
to you know, that's what I try.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I do my work with my youth, yes, youth coaching.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Because, you're welcome.
It's really important for theyoung people that I work with to
recognize how theirindividuality is theirs, to
create in whatever capacity thatthey want to create it, not
because society tells them theyneed to be act or do what
society tells us to be act anddo that's right, that you know
(14:26):
what free thinking and whatalbum is that on?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
it's not.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
it's coming up no, it is a single standalone that's
not on one of your albums,that's a great song, thank you
you should put it on a singlejust put on your new album no,
the new album, so I have an EPcoming out in March.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
And that is all the songs.
Well, not all the songs.
That is a collection of songsthat I wrote teenager to early
20s as my own way of free-formexpression, and there's some
pretty heavy stuff there,including how I processed my
father's passing.
But there's also pretty heavystuff there, including, you know
, how I processed my father'spassing.
But there's also some lighterstuff there.
But then the main album for2024 is going to be released in
(15:13):
July-ish, in accordance with theUS tour that I'm going on, and
that is a direct consequence, Iguess, of the Write a Song a Day
challenge that I have done thispast month.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Well, how many albums do you have?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
This will be my fifth .
Speaker 1 (15:36):
We should have dug into this early.
I'm sorry I have to dig in nowbefore we get to my schmuck
Album one.
What year was it?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
2018.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Five albums.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
What was I doing in 2018?
Not good stuff.
2018?
Yeah, I was traveling a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
That's good stuff.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
I feel like if I was like what was traveling a lot,
that's good stuff.
So what was the album?
I feel like if I was like whatwas I doing in 2018?
About the same stuff, I'm doingright now.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That's not a bad thing.
That's not a bad thing.
What was the?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
album name Taking Flight, Taking Flight.
Okay, Now you've had threealbums since, and then you've
got a fifth one coming out right, yes.
Now, from all those four albumsup until now, what's your
favorite album?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Born in Crisis.
And what year was that?
2022.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Okay 2022, born in Crisis.
Okay, and what's your favoritesong on that Pulpit?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Okay, no, no.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
It's basically a pulpit.
Yes, it's about the Catholics.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Listen, I've been holding back for two segments on
my color commentary.
We're getting into this.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I just needed to warn segments on my color commentary
.
We're getting into this.
I just you needed to warn me,sir.
Okay, so my favorite, the Bornin Crisis album is an incredibly
personal album for me.
It was me writing a song everyday for 31 days straight and
then me choosing my top 13 songsfrom the album you know from
that experience into an album.
(17:25):
So some stuff that came up forme over those 30 days I was not
expecting to have happen.
Um so it was deeply personaland deeply surprising, and one
of them I think it was day five,day six I wrote a song called
Faith in you which freaked meout because it was the most raw
(17:49):
and real I'd ever been about myown self-worth when it comes to
relationships.
It was my own oh crap, I'mactually in love with somebody,
kind of song.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
You've never been in love with somebody up to that
point.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I think I've loved, but I've never been with
somebody who's as honest andmakes me honest.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Did they give you a good foot massage?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
He does great massage .
Yes.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
That's kind of the key to it.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
So, so good, in fact, that we got married three
months ago.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Isn't that right, Minx?
The foot massage makes it good.
It's all about the footmassage's like it's about the
foot massage.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
No, um, but yeah so.
So faith in you, I think, is myfavorite song on that album.
Only because I think it was thefirst time I was like oh shoot,
I'm in this okay, we're.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
You know I'm going to .
I've listened to all your songs, um, but I'm gonna have to
circle back.
If that's your favorite, isthat your favorite ever?
No what's your favorite ever?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I don't know that's I mean I no.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
What's your favorite ever I?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
don't know.
I mean, that's a hard question.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
It's like asking what's your favorite child.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
No, no, no, there's got to be a song.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I don't agree.
No, I don't agree.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Let me explain myself .
It depends on my mood, but letme explain myself now Amen.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Okay, let me re-articulate this.
Not necessarily your favorite,but what song means the most to
you?
What was the song when youwrote it?
Which?
Speaker 4 (19:11):
child would you choose if you had to pick one,
to live forever?
You have to.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
No, no, no, no, Look there are songs.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
It's a hard question.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
It's a hard question there's a song.
I'm telling you.
You guys can sit here and lookat me like I have a big dick
growing on my forehead.
But there is a song that meanssomething more to her, because
the way she wrote it, thefeeling she had, the environment
she was in when she wrote it,the state of mind she was in,
(19:44):
that means more to her than allthe other songs.
I'm telling you.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I don't.
I'm going to talk for Emma aminute.
She's going to tell me if I'mwrong and I'm going to tell you
something.
Right now I'm going to get alittle open because I can't rap
about it, but I have a bit of anartistic.
I have a bit of an artisticflair.
I always have, um, I, I was, Idrew a lot as a kid.
(20:14):
Um, I appreciate the artsprobably more than most people
know.
Um, and I don't even likeembrace that side of me that
often.
But what I would tell you is um,the question you're asking, I
feel like, is really hard forsomebody like her to answer,
because if I think about how youwould try and decide to answer
(20:35):
that, it's like trying to decidewho's my favorite child because
you you pick different thingsat different times and they mean
something to you in that moment, and it doesn't mean that one
is greater than the other, butthat they they meant something
to you in that moment and itdoesn't mean that one is greater
than the other but, that they.
They meant something to you atthat time.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I disagree, and and I disagree in this fact you're
right super hard, but it's agood hard question it's not
impossible I I Not impossible, II so.
Because there's one that shefeels deeply and it's pulpit.
(21:10):
It's about a sermon Okay,there's something I feel.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I feel deeply about faith in you, because it's the
song that I first opened up tomyself.
I was hold on, I wasn'tfinished.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Because it's a song that led me to realizing that I
was in the right place to fallin love and grow and heal and
get married Super personal,beautiful.
But also I have a song calledMiss Me With that, which
(21:50):
discusses some of the trauma andhealing and overcoming of you
know, of you know some of thenegative treatment I've received
as a result of my brain damageand brain surgeries.
That again, is anotherimportant message for myself.
(22:11):
Another one of my favoritesongs is Together we Rise,
recognizing that who we'resurrounding ourselves with every
day dictates our future and whowe're becoming every day.
There's another song of minecalled Superhero, which is my
way of recognizing theimportance of using love and
compassion as superpowersagainst fear and injustice.
(22:34):
There's another like there's somany songs of mine that have
direct they're all your favoritesongs.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
They are.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
There's a song that I wrote for how to heal from my
sexual assault.
There's a song that I wroteabout clapping back against my
abusive ex-boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
There's a lot.
There's a lot.
I'm going to leave it at this.
Mike, you're going to say it'simpossible and you may not want
to answer it's impossible.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I appreciate her, I'm not saying favorite song.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I'm not saying favorite song.
What I'm saying is what songmeans the most.
If you listen to that song, yougo through and you listen to
your songs, all the ones youmade you listen to it and the
one that makes hair stand up onyour arm and you feel it
different, different way to askthis question.
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Well, yeah, okay, I'marticulating it different way to
ask this question.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
I'm articulating you can only listen to one of your
songs or sing one of your songsfor the rest of your life
that's's a good way.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Which?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
one is that I'll take that.
It's tough and it's a hardquestion.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
It's a good one.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
It's a hard question.
It's a good one.
You don't need to answer itright now.
It's a good one and.
I'm going to leave you withthat.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
You shouldn't, you shouldn't answer it, Don't look
look.
And the thing is is because Iknow it exists.
I know it exists, I know, Iknow, and you don't have to tell
us, and you don't have to tellus why, none of that.
But I just want to expose thatto you that exists with you,
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because, no matter what, likeyou can have your favorites and
everything, but there'ssomething that means so dearly
to you out of those favorites,that and then kids are different
, dude, come on.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Are you calling me a kid?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
No, Maybe All right, all right, let's go to the fun
stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Let's go to the fun shit.
I mean that was fun, that wasfun and I want to continue to
have these conversations becausemusic, I feel music used to
move people.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I think it still does I mean your things are no, I
don't, no, I don't.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
I think I would say mainstream music used to move
people, yeah not anymore, andmore or less, I feel like you
know I listen.
I've got Sirius XM.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
If you flip through, if it is just like today's hits.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
It's about me.
It's like what is all this?
That's true.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
What is this You're?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
not getting Emoji's music, but I think that music
still moves.
It's just it's more underground, I agree.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Like there are people that still feel music.
I sent you a link to the musicman and I love pulling his stuff
.
Every day I look at his stuffbecause he goes out and he finds
this good, raw music of thesekids it doesn't matter what it
is and these people just doingmusic, singing, playing music,
(25:37):
dancing, because it feels goodto them, um, and that's lost.
I think it's getting lost.
Um, but you know, that's justmy opinion.
I, you know, I think today'smainstream music is about all
about show.
Now, and it sucks.
You know it does.
It's not about.
You know, like I was sayingbefore, it's not about fuck the
man, it's not about at all.
And now, in fact, it's about,um, oh, let me lick your shoe,
(26:01):
man.
That's what it's about and thatpisses me off.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Um, that's mainstream music, and that's not what
you're about we were at.
I'll leave you this we were atkaraoke the other night and it
was.
It was terrible um buteverybody kept choosing bill
Joel songs.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
And I love.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Billy Joel and the music's so good and I just
thought they don't make musiclike the same.
No, or they do, but it doesn'tplay on the radio.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
No, there was a time when Billy Joel music, or music
like that, you felt it throughyour soul.
It wasn't just a good beat.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Here's the best part.
You felt it, man.
Here's the best part.
In 25 years, 30 years, our kidsare going to be sitting here
and going.
People just don't make musiclike Nick Jonas anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
To be fair, nick Jonas is pretty dope, I agree.
That's why I used him.
He's very talented, that's whyI used him.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
He is talented.
My point is maybe we just don'tunderstand, and maybe the
people our age 30 years agodidn't understand Billy Joel,
maybe.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
No, no, I'm telling you, but everybody, loves Billy
Joel that motherfucker.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
No, no, I'm telling you like, but everybody loves
Billy Joel that motherfucker.
Played piano.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Stevie Wonder.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Same thing with him.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, prince.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Prince.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Tina Turner, I mean I , the list goes on the
Cranberries.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Look at the Rebels.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Cranberries, the Rebels, dolores man.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Like the Rebels out there.
Depeche Mode, u2, guns N' Roseswhat happened to these
motherfuckers?
Where are their voices now?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
No, the difference is you're not listening to today's
music through the ears oftoday's youth because you're not
.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I will confront that a little bit.
There is Kendrick, there is um.
This is America.
What's his name?
Childish Gambino, there is.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
there are a lot of like out there, it's out there.
You do need to dig, yeah, butwe're also, we're not we're not
hearing it, it's not mainstream,because you need to dig.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
I don't think it's just because you need to dig,
it's just because we're old.
No, speak for yourself.
No, we are, listen, speak foryourself.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I'm telling you You're right, but this is what
happened.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Listen, this is no different, the only difference
between us sitting here havingthis conversation right now and
the people who are having it.
30 years ago, you know what thedifference is.
Ours is on a microphone.
It'll be recorded forever.
No, theirs was over.
Beers on a kitchen table going.
What are these kids listeningto?
I disagree I disagree, I don't,I disagree, I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Tell me about that.
I disagree, because I havealways liked Led Zeppelin and I
didn't grow up with it.
That wasn't my time frame.
I mean, it was pretty close.
No, I was born in 1977.
I understand that song came outin 1979.
No, it came out in 1976.
(29:19):
Sure, all right, came out in1979.
No, it came out in 1976, sure,all right.
So, so, like I, you can't.
There there are so many songsthat personally, I grew up with,
like everybody grew up with.
Yeah, there was a stupid songsthat came up because it was pop,
you know pop culture during thetime.
But there was there was thingsthat, um, music seemed real,
still like.
For instance, okay, this is astupid, petty example, petty,
(29:44):
but I think it's a good one.
Um, and I, I still think thishappens today.
But you know, did you, you playsports in high school?
Did you play sports?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I did not.
Well, I know you did, I didokay.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
So, um, I can tell you, like in high school
football and high schoolbasketball in the 90s, you know
what was the one song whenyou're going to that rivalry
school that you played on thatbus or when you won a game.
It was queen.
We will rock you unanimously.
(30:18):
Okay, now does that still go on?
Speaker 4 (30:22):
I don't know.
I mean, there's a lot ofcontent out there.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
But what I'm saying is is like if it's up to our
generation to keep putting thatstuff out there and teaching
these kids, look, man, likemusic used to mean something
Like the people that write musiclike what you write.
It means, means something to you.
It's not what someone's tellingyou to write.
A lot of these mainstreamartists they're singing what
(30:46):
someone's telling them to writebottom line and unfortunately
that goes out on social media,that goes out on the airwaves
and we don't hear the good stuffbecause we're blinded by all
this bullshit all right, I just,it's a message I will tell you
that, like sorry, lady gaga andpink I don't like lady gaga
(31:06):
anymore okay, that's I used tolove her.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I think she has a beautiful voice she the lyrics
she writes and the messagingthat she gives her audience is
super affirming yeah, I justtell you about her, though tell
me.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I'm gonna tell you my experience with her because I
absolutely think she has one ofthe best.
She's the one of the mosttalented vocalists ever with her
style of music, the way shepresents herself talent.
We went to a show in vegas andshe was supposed to be doing
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like a tony tony bennett thingright um, it was a jazz show and
I that was the show that,personally, I was looking
forward to forever.
She stopped in the middle ofevery song for like five minutes
to put some agenda out and itwas like fucking stop, just sing
(32:05):
your fucking song.
Dude Like this is stupid.
People came here to listen toyou sing, not about your
political agenda, and that'swhat bothers me.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Stop that shit.
Isn't that part of the fuck theman thing that you're talking
about?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
That's not fuck the man, that's going with the man
of what their agenda is.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
You know what I mean and I understand if you've got
strong feelings for that stuff,whatever that agenda is.
But some people really enjoythe music Right, like me, I
really enjoy the music rightlike me I really enjoy the music
.
I look forward to hearingsomeone like lady gaga and her
vocals and her talent and to youknow, to sit there and pay all
(32:49):
that money to have every I'm noteven exaggerating every single
song interrupted with an agendaspeech is absolutely crazy to me
.
Like do it in the beginning, doit at the end.
It just fucking pisses me off.
Like you're like whateveryou're you're saying with your
(33:11):
agenda, put it through yourmusic, not in the middle of your
music, and it just that's howthis whole thing like it just
drives me nuts.
Like stop alienating everybody.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
I think that guy and I are gonna be like the best old
men drinking beer I was everhonestly like we are gonna.
Honestly, we're gonna be thebest.
We're gonna be the best old manwith beers in our driveway ever
dude, I, I Dude.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
I hope that we can have beer in our driveways and
be able to share stories withour kids the way that, but
they're never going to agreewith us.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Look, I think that part of self-awareness is
realizing when you hit a tippingpoint.
We're getting there, maybewe're there, maybe we're not,
but we're going to hit a tippingpoint.
We're getting there, maybewe're there, maybe we're not,
but we're going to hit a tippingpoint where our views are no
longer the most popular.
The problem we're having is ah,I'm going to have to stop
(34:12):
myself, I'm going to go down ahole.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Let's not go down that hole.
But I do want to bring a point.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
I was about to talk about a couple of 80-year-old
people.
That's not the hole we want togo down.
A hole, let's not go down thathole.
But I do want to bring a pointup.
I was about to talk about acouple of 80-year-old people,
and that's not the hole we wantto go down.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Let me just bring up one point, and then we're going
to get to these comments on thisstupid post.
I'm going to bring up a pointthat Emma sticks to that I
appreciate you had mentionedearlier why you wrote a song and
why you felt the need to writethat song the feeling, the
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environment, so on and so forth.
That is art, that is music, thatis absolutely what should
happen, and that's what musicand art is for, and that's what
music and art is for.
Music and art is not, in myopinion, to write a song and
then, in the middle of it, stateyour statement.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Your music is your statement.
Finish singing Poker Face andbe like fossil fuels are bad.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
No, in the middle of it Can.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
I push that a little further.
Absolutely Should we.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I appreciate that you appreciate.
I appreciate that youappreciate the purpose behind
the music that I make and why Imake it.
I think a lot of people arescared to make it.
Yes, and that is why I do whatI do Fuck yeah, that's why
(35:45):
you're sitting here at our tableright now.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yes, sir, damn it.
That's why there's a littlearmy dude right here.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
They're all pointing their guns at me, though I'm not
sure why.
Thank you, okay, that was weird.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
This guy's obviously scared of the minks, obviously
scared of the minks.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
But that's the point.
Like you know, I think a lot ofit is fear-based.
I think a lot of the way thatthe media works is fear-based
because we're scared to look atourselves, we're scared to
confront ourselves, we're scaredto express ourselves.
That is what youth empowermentthrough songwriting is all about
, because you cannot beat anenemy that you refuse to
(36:23):
acknowledge so don't be scaredlet's, let's, embrace that,
let's, let's, you know, embracethose dark shadows and make
friends with them, so that wecan then navigate them safely,
healthily and productively youknow what, and don't be scared
to get canceled.
I thought you said cancer.
I was like what well I'm scaredof that.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, I mean, do not like this whole, cancel culture
all your people will find youyou know what?
That's right, you know, fuckthat.
Um, you have a message, put itout there and it, and and also
look at the other perspective.
Now, okay, with that said, um,this actually is a good segue
into the comments of, uh, myweekly post, which is headlines
(37:10):
satire I'm scared yes, it's uhheadlines people don't
understand satire anymore theydo not.
uh, it's called headlines beforethey were headlines and what it
is is supposed to be 10 yearsin the future, and it's.
People don't understand satireanymore.
They do not.
It's called Headlines Beforethey Were Headlines and what it
is is supposed to be 10 years inthe future and it's a little
newspaper article and it'ssatire.
My intent, as Mike knows and Ithink I explained to you, is I
(37:32):
don't like politics.
I don't want to discuss the Rword, the D word, any of those.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
What's the D word?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Ooh, oh, we can't say it in here can't say that
dictionary demo demolition okay,gotcha yeah yeah, so uh like
none of that should.
Uh, all that does is drivedivision.
So, um know, the post I put up,um I mean makes, can you scroll
(38:02):
?
Speaker 2 (38:02):
a little bit crazy.
I'm not going to lie there, itis Okay.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
So breaking news?
Um, and it's about the Epsteinlisten you know?
Okay, here it says 15 yearslater, because it's already been
four years, four and a halfyears no list.
Okay, and that's true, wehaven't.
It's satire and it's like youknow what motherfuckers Produce
(38:26):
this list, because there's someguilty people out here that are
hurting children.
And then the other one is aboutrobots.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Anyways, let's and poop in San Francisco, which is
a real problem.
Poop in San Francisco Is is areal problem.
Poop in San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (38:39):
actually, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I've not been to San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
There's an app where you can go and you can see where
people poop on the sidewalk.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
The homeless problem is so bad in.
San Francisco people aredefecating on the sidewalks.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
I really don't understand why we don't do more
about the unhoused problems inthis country.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Let's not go into that one right now.
Let's not let that go.
I'm gonna take that off, so I'mgonna point.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I'm gonna point something out on our um, on
these comments, and it's notwhat I was trying to do on this.
I was trying to create somesatire and discussion, but it
went 100 political against.
You know, biden, trump, andit's like there's no mention of
that.
There's not one mention oftrump or biden anywhere.
(39:29):
And um, the last post I didlast week was the same way and
you know, when you look at theuh, all the engagements on it
and this has only been a day anda half, you know there's almost
a.
You know the 667 engagementsand it's all hatred.
It's all hatred.
There's no, it's all hatred,it's, it's everybody.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Um I don't know that has to.
Let's scroll down a little bit.
Oh dude.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
No.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Now let's get to the.
I'm telling you Now I havegotten some hateful thoughts
towards me and I've replied backto them with not so hateful
thoughts, but there's a lot ofhatred, man.
It kind of tells where ourcountry's gone right now.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
It's like, man, there's got to be a way to stop
this shit I wonder if I mean, Idon't know if it's just hatred,
but just um it's division no, Ithink it's lack of critical
thought it's that too.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
It's it's people that are they're not willing to look
in and research on their own onstuff, and it's such a divide.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
It's such a divide with people but you have to
understand what social, you haveto understand what social media
provides.
Social media good, bad?
Speaker 2 (40:54):
or indifferent.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Whatever is up there provides instant gratification.
It used to be.
You do your job, you go homefor the night, you watch a show
on TV.
We'll keep it right there, minx.
You go in the next day to workand you talk to your friends
about what they watched on TV,because there were six channels
and the chances were most of youall watched the same thing.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Wait, you had six channels back in the day.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
We've only ever had three in three, Now it's four.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
I think You're talking about what this guy
mentioned up here.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
But that's my point is that you're sitting there and
you're saying look, this is forpeople sitting at home at night
saying I don't have a whole lotelse in my life.
Keep in mind America's 350, 400million people I don't know,
check my facts 365 million,whatever it is.
I'm probably not right, butthere's a lot of people out
there that don't have anythingin their life but the social
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interaction they get on socialmedia, and so, whether that
interaction is good, bad orindifferent, it's interaction,
and the longer they can keep itgoing, the better.
And that's what a lot of thisis.
And if you look at these andyou go, wow, I created a post of
this is.
And if you look at these andyou go, wow, I created a post, I
got a thousand interactionsokay.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Well, what's?
A thousand out of 365 million?
Not a lot, nothing.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
So the reality is.
But when you see this, you go.
We're fucked, world's fucked.
Look at it.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
This is obviously a subsection of the entire country
and we're all going to hellthat's not, not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is the hatredis at a high Because if you just
went, guy.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Your future posts are very prescient.
Nobody's going to, nobody'sresponding to that.
They want to respond to themuck.
Everybody wants to be in themud.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Let's get down and wrestle in the mud.
There's one post on here thatresonated me that I replied to,
and it's by Bill Brose.
Or Bill Bros, no, it's BillBros.
He says that's the wonderfulthing about yellow journalism it
requires so little effort.
It is unburdened by things likefact-checking, sourcing,
(43:01):
confirmation or research.
It exists on lies and itdistributes those lies there you
go To the gullible reader Hitthe.
Seymour, who has few, and hehit Seymour.
Yeah, hit Seymour, babe Seymourbutts, hit Seymour.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
There you go, no, no.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Seymour, there you go .
And has few demands onjournalism other than that it
must tell him exactly and onlywhat he wishes to hear.
It is lazy news for lazy minds.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Or she yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
But his point is he's spot on, and I told him that I
was like, hey, you know whatYou're spot on.
I'm going to mention thisbecause that is what it is.
It's people.
It's not their fault, they're aproduct of their environment.
And this hatred in everything,on both sides of the political
parties, it consumes them.
(43:53):
All this shit to drive angertowards one another, and they
only want to believe what theywant to believe, or they only
believe what they want tobelieve, or they only believe
what they want to believe.
And that's what they're readingor listening to, and that's
that's usually one or twosources, instead of going out
and look and finding the factsabout this stuff.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
I want to go one further that I actually really
love the next comment down fromGregory.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Oh, I crushed this guy.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
Well, I don't even need to read your response.
He says oh, you're going toread it, we're going to
Newsflash Not.
The press has confirmed to be apool of simmering ignorance,
hate, fascism and treason banned.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah, what about Like on my post?
What about that?
Says fascism, Listen Treason.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
But that is the whole thing is it takes one person,
and here's the thing go to yourfavorite morning, evening,
weekend, whatever show on cablenews.
They now pull from social media, so if they don't want to
listen to the message thatyou're sending, they're going to
(45:04):
highlight that post becausethat's a real post and they'll
go listen.
This is real information fromthe world about how people feel
about your podcast and they'regoing to go.
You're obviously ignorant,hateful, fascist and treasonous.
It's like eh.
I mean really, come on, don'tread the comments.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
It's one of the things I've, you know it's.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
It just really makes me so sad to see.
This is where we come to.
The social media has driven usto this.
This wasn't before.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
It's also, you know, it's like the keyboard warrior.
You know these are the, thekeyboard warrior.
You know these are things thatare so easy to say behind
people's backs not their faces.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
It's what they have um and again it's.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
It's a often um.
It is the consequence ofunchecked gaps in their
knowledge and lack ofconstructive thought, and all
(46:12):
that 100%.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
But there are also idiots.
No, I don't think they'reidiots, maybe some of them.
Um, I think that our mainstreammedia drives the narrative
Plain and simple they get peopleto think Is this why you're not
the press that's?
Speaker 4 (46:32):
exactly, but this also highlights the point I made
earlier, which is mostreasonable people, the
reasonable 80% of the middle, isnot commenting on these posts.
Engagement is driven by the 20%of the middle is not commenting
on these posts.
Engagement is driven by the 20%on the fringe, which is 10% way
left, 10% way right.
And their interaction andargument is what drives the 80%
(47:01):
in the middle to go.
I'm going to watch these idiotsbattle each other.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
I mean it's the same thing, while we have reality
television and all of theridiculosity that we have For
sure.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
I'm going to read my reply because I'm a happy person
.
And you know what, emma?
You hit it spot on.
I'm high energy, I'm not goingto be a downer over these
assholes.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
I said Greg, I'm not going to say his full thing, but
I'm not sure where you see hateand fascism and treason from
this satire.
Ignorance, basically,absolutely I'm ignorant.
This satire is totally meant tobe ignorant.
Um, sorry, you feel that way.
(47:47):
Basically, you're hangry Go geta hamburger.
You know, no hate in there.
There will never be any hate.
I will never submit hate tothese people that submit hate.
But the thing is is like um, Ithought for a while to respond
on this guy.
I was like I shouldn't evengive it.
But it's like nope, you have torespond.
(48:08):
You have to respond in apositive way.
You have to, because if youdon't, then you're basically
encouraging these assholes tokeep doing shit like that.
But anyways, let's continue on.
Let's look at some of theseresponses that the the way it
goes like the divide.
It dives so deep into politicsand it's like there's nothing
(48:33):
about politics.
In that fake news report that Idid, there's nothing, but
everything gets into politics.
It's like what the hell are wedoing, man?
Speaker 2 (48:43):
but everything gets into politics it's like what the
hell are we doing?
Man Can.
I just say though that is verymuch an American thing.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
The political dive, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
In other countries.
I visited New Zealand, fiji,australia.
It very rarely gets so quicklydown the political one hole.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
I'm going to ask a very ignorant question, so
forgive me, that's okay.
What's the political structureof New Zealand?
Speaker 2 (49:11):
We have a parliament that is comprised of 120 seats.
You vote for a prime minister.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
Do you guys want to see my Stanley mug?
Speaker 2 (49:22):
No, stanley, stanley, like, no Stanley, oh, stanley,
like from Marvel.
Oh, that's exciting, that'sfunny, you're hilarious.
So 120 seats in Parliament.
You vote to get as many ofthose seats as possible.
In order to win the election,you need to have over 60 seats.
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Win the election you need tohave over 60 seats.
If you do not get 60 seats, youpartner with another party to
create an alliance and then youhave joint overall.
Speaker 4 (49:53):
You know majority so they have to work together.
Yes, shocking, and what a novelconcept and you'll notice.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
So let's say, for example, two parties.
We have 40 seats and 21 seats.
The rest of the 59 seats arecomprised of the other parties
that were voted in connectionwith how many votes they
received.
So at the end of the election,you have 120 seats filled that
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are directly indicative of howmany votes that party received.
And then, when it comes topassing legislation, when it
comes to anything to do withanything, all seats in
Parliament get some kind of sayin that particular issue.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
That's pretty cool.
Well, you know what?
Thank you, you're welcome.
I think that our structure wasmeant to be something like that.
I'm sure it was, and I'm sureyour structure was based off of
our structure somehow.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
I'm also sure, because we were both colonized
by the British.
You guys just kicked them out,we didn't.
Speaker 4 (51:05):
Yeah, well, I think that there's a there's a lot
listen it's just got corrupted.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
It's nothing.
Speaker 4 (51:12):
It's never going to be perfect, it's just never
going to be not that attitude.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Come on now, like, like I will say this.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
I will say this I believe and it's no offense to
new zealand or anybody else Ibelieve that our government is
the best government in the world.
However, it doesn't mean it'sthe best functioning government
and it doesn't mean that ourpolitical leaders are the best
people that are in thatgovernment.
But the structure, it is theway it's structured.
It's structured Well.
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It's just it's not working wellwhen you have politicians that
are corrupt.
But it is structured very well.
And the thing that I alwaysargue with people about when
they they talk about ourforefathers, this that and the
other and they they call themdumbasses and whatever and it's
like okay, here's the deal.
(52:01):
These dudes were the smartestpeople in our time.
You have to realize that theydidn't have a television set,
they didn't have a device.
They had books.
They weren't fictional books,they were non-fictional books,
they were philosophy, and allthey did was, if they weren't
learning by their hands, theywere learning by reading.
(52:22):
That's it.
That's all they did.
They didn't have the same stuffthat we do.
They were geniuses.
They were.
They were absolute geniuses.
We will not experience that.
We will not experience thatlevel of genius in our time.
We will not I wish, I don't Idon't agree, I don't think we
will I, I don't agree not inthat purity well, I don't think
(52:43):
we will.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
I don't agree, not purity Well, I don't know that
it was pure, I mean these guys,these were listen, let's not,
let's not let's not.
We're going to go way beyond.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Let's not cross purity what I'm saying with
purity and evil, because there'sevilness there too.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
I will say I do wish that philosophy was a mandatory
subject in schools.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
Me too.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Just like with the arts, I wish there was more art
and more philosophy.
That was included in the schoolsyllabus, just because, to your
point, I think there isdefinitely a lot of well-meaning
and intelligent human beings inthe world, but we are not
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necessarily going to see them oraccess them or or get the best
of them, because we're notfostering the next generation
appropriately.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Because they're so to a device.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
I don't think that that is all I hope in the years
that I all, I hope you're rightIn the years that I was studying
for my education and for myqualifications, I discovered
that a lot of our teachingprinciples are still based on
18th century pedagogy andlearning styles, and the world
(54:02):
is not built that way anymore,so we need to update everything
and how we're educating, howwe're teaching, how we're
working with and empowering ouryoung people so that we can get
those diamonds out of the rough.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
Yeah, I mean, it goes back to what your whole, your
whole voice is, you know umyoung adults not being heard and
figuring out how to empowerthem to know that they can be
heard and then giving them theconfidence to put their that
message out.
And you know, it's just, it's.
I feel like, um, there's peoplelike you that are trying your
(54:40):
ass.
You're trying your ass off toget it done, but there's not
enough of you.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
I still have a lot of booty, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
I just think that people are so greedy and money
hungry and power hungry thatthey don't give a shit about
that anymore.
I just don't, and you're one ofthe few.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
Thank you.
You're one of the few.
I think there aren't many outthere, but their voice isn't out
there but I mean, is my voiceout there?
Speaker 1 (55:06):
I'm trying you know, but I'm that's.
What I'm saying is like thereneeds to be more of you, like
there needs to be more peoplethat say you know what, fuck it,
I have to put my voice out forthis but, um, you know, there's
a, there's a really good storyand people, people say it's uh
propaganda.
But it's not, it's history,it's fact.
Um, it's about argentina, um,in the 1970s, when, um, they had
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their revolution, basically,and a lot of kids went missing a
lot of.
It was a lot of kids that weretalking.
It was young adults.
They were expressing theirvoice and you know, all these
thousands of mothers were likewhere's my son and where's my
daughter?
And they were killed.
They were assassinated.
(55:53):
It was a bad time for them.
But 30 years later this is inthe mid-2000s they went back and
interviewed people in Argentinaand they said oh, I didn't know
that was happening andeverybody knew it was.
And that's what I feel like isgoing on right now with what
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you're saying.
30 years later, if enoughpeople don't say fuck this.
We have to empower these peopleand let them know it's okay to
talk, give them the confidenceto talk.
30 years from now, ourneighbors are going to be like
oh, I didn't know it washappening and it's bullshit.
(56:37):
Everybody knows it's happening.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
It's funny.
When I was researching my firstTEDx talk, I came across a
piece of data that suggestedthat the World Health
Organization guesstimated thatit would take the average adult.
This was in, I should prefacethis was in July of 2020.
So we're no September of 2020.
(56:59):
So we're about six months intothe pandemic.
It would.
They guesstimated that it wouldtake about 10 years for the
average adult to mentally andemotionally recover from the
pandemic.
We were only six months in then.
They're only talking aboutadults.
Speaker 3 (57:20):
They weren't talking about adults?
I'm not, they weren't talkingabout kids.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
They weren't talking about teenagers.
Yeah, it was, but I mean youdon't have to be a fan of them
no they the.
The guesstimates were 10 yearsfor the average yeah human like
fully functioning brain.
What?
Speaker 4 (57:38):
does that mean, though?
What does it mean to recover?
Speaker 2 (57:41):
I don't know they Right.
Speaker 4 (57:42):
And I don't know that they knew.
Honestly I think about this allthe time.
Honestly, I really do Fuck them.
I think that here's the thinghow many generations have gone
through what that pandemic was.
Not a lot.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
Influenza in the 1800s.
Speaker 4 (58:04):
But did they go through what we went through?
Did they go through a societythat was so interconnected, like
we are, and then, all of asudden, wasn't?
They didn't.
No, they didn't.
And so the reality is, peopledo these studies and they go.
It's going to take adults 10years to recover from this they
have no data recover.
But but recover from what?
Yeah, this is, it was novel.
(58:26):
Everybody said it was a novelcoronavirus.
It absolutely was.
It happened at a point inhistory that had never happened
before yeah and so I think whatpeople fail to realize they fail
to realize this all the timeeverybody wants to look at a
situation through the lens ofwhat they know and not through
the lens of what they know andnot through the lens of history.
(58:46):
And the lens of history willtell you that, well shit, man.
All we do is adapt and survive.
We are a species like anythingelse on this planet and there
are going to be a lot of thingsthat happen that you cannot
predict, know or understand howthat is going to impact you.
Moving forward, I agree.
So everybody's like well, it'sgoing to take you 10 years to
(59:08):
get back to normal.
What's normal?
Speaker 2 (59:10):
maybe normal is no longer normal anymore and to
that point I don't think thenormal should be normal, because
the way that things were beforethe pandemic, super unhealthy
unhealthy, that's alwaysunhealthy let's not go down this
road of the pandemic, because Iam going to go deep in the
rabbit hole, because I have mythoughts on everything.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
No, I, I do like, I mean I really like um, yeah, you
know, pandemic is real I'm justtalking about the mental health
ramifications, especially foryoung people.
That's all it's, it's huge,it's huge.
It's huge ramifications.
It's like even kids wearingmasks in school that are, you
know, kindergarten, first grade,second grade.
Speaker 4 (59:52):
I'm going to pull it Watching a mouth.
Speaker 1 (59:55):
talk is part of their learning, but let's pull it way
forward.
Speaker 4 (59:58):
You know it's like Pull it way forward.
Let's talk about current events.
Dune 2 came out this week.
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
I'm looking forward to seeing it.
I can't wait to watch it.
You went and saw it.
Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
I did, loved it, loved it, hang on.
Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Gary won't watch it with me.
Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Here's my purpose in bringing this up.
That movie takes place in theyear like 10,000 something.
Okay, that's 8,000 years fromnow.
I'm excited and guess whatSociety's fucked.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Oh, it's fucked.
Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
You look at it right, that's 8,000 years from now.
Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
The point is.
Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
The point is we all get so hung up in a moment in
time it's just going to change,and that was my point I was
making earlier.
About that, we I disagree, dude.
Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
I disagree.
We're only going down therabbit hole a little bit on this
.
Just the tip, just the tip.
But I disagree because with thepandemic there are things that
I will never forgive myself for.
That we were forced to do withmy son and the fact that we had
(01:01:17):
to give him a vaccine I willnever forgive myself for that.
Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
You should forgive yourself for that.
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
But no, the thing is is like that's horse shit.
A lot of parents were put inthose positions.
Sure, and that's what makes itdifferent.
Like the pandemic happened.
Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
You know, whatever that course of history, but the
fact that our own, ourgovernment, our own government
forces to do stuff like that isnot cool, you know, because that
that has, that's going to havea residual effect.
You know, and you know I'mgoing to have a podcast talking
about all this stuff because ofmy mother you know the way she
(01:02:00):
died with it.
Like there's, there's thingsthat happened with it that did
not have to happen, like that,and that I I feel like, um, our
own government made, madedecisions and we're not
forthcoming on the public, uh,to make, to force us to do
(01:02:20):
decisions.
Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
But my my point in the Dune analogy it just was my
point in the Dune analogy waslook at it from the perspective
of somebody 8,000 years from now.
Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Can I bring this home for a minute?
Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Please do.
Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Whatever your thoughts on the pandemic are,
whatever your thoughts are onthe future thoughts on the
pandemic are, whatever yourthoughts are on the future,
that's the point of being the,the mentors and the coaches and
the leadership for our youngpeople, yeah, because we need to
be teaching these young peoplehow to be resilient and how to
(01:02:59):
be positive and how to keepfighting every day and how to
keep questioning and how to dotheir research and how to be
positive and how to keepfighting every day and how to
keep questioning and how to dotheir research and how to
express themselves healthily100%.
Whilst also maintaining theirown dignity and sanity.
Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Yep, that's right Like that, that's it.
I mean, that is the best pointwe can leave this on is
empowering our youth for allthose points right there.
They should have the confidenceto do all that stuff.
They should know they shouldhave people like us that mentor
them into that position.
(01:03:37):
Say look, it's okay to do allthis stuff.
You should be doing all thisstuff and with that let's go
ahead and end this segment.
That got kind of deep.
It's supposed to be a funsegment.
Damn it.
What was fun I had fun, I hadfun.
Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
The Minx had fun.
I think she's still awake.
Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
She's not talking.
Can you say hello?
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
She's spoken a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
That was like a good hello to us.
So, emma, we appreciate youcoming here tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
We know it's late.
This was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Honestly, this has been the most fun we've had.
I agree this has been a goodone.
Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
I mean, this is episode two, so it's not.
I mean, we've done a lot oftest episodes, a lot of test
episodes.
Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
There's nothing I like more.
I mean, we've done a lot oftest episodes, killing it, a lot
of test episodes Killing it.
Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
There's nothing I like more than to kill things.
Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Look, you're really episode one.
Episode one is a conglomerateof recordings, so you're
actually episode one, but I hadto put you as episode two.
Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Listen, I'm here for it.
I'm so glad that I could behere.
So to listen, I'm here for itand I'm so glad that I could be
here.
Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Yeah, you know, coming up, we have a lot, of, a
lot of really good guests likeyou that have good stories that
have you know.
Hey, they're fighting forsomething.
They're fighting for theirvoice to be heard and have a
message about certain topics allimportant to them, important to
me, and I bet you, if you heardthem and talk to them, they'd
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be important to you too, justlike your messages.
But this has been awesome and Ihope to have you back.
Hopefully we don't get a wholebunch of thumb down messages.
You never know.
Oh my gosh, how'd that comethrough?
Amazing.
Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
It's the Minx.
Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
None of those buttons were working earlier.
Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
What the.
She knows how to press yourbuttons.
Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
Minx knows how to press your buttons.
Guy Score.
Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
The Minx fixed it.
Okay, cool, that's a wrap, then.
Thank you for joining us.
Thank you for joining us, youfor joining us, and, mike, I
love you, buddy I love you.
I'm a fucker.
Would they be fucker?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I don't know, in New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (00:06):
Say fucker, I've got nipples.
Fucker, could you milk me that?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
part.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Gay lord fucker it's fucker.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Just so you know, it's not fucker, it's fucker.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Are you trying?
No, it's fucker.
I feel like there's Garlic but,it's fucker, are you?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
trying.
No, it's fucker.
I feel like there's Garlic, butit's fucker.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Garlic.
When you say garlic, I feellike you're saying Gaelic.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
And it's.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Gaelic Gaelic.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's not Gaelic, gaelic Gaelic Two words, two
different words, but I feel likethat's how a drunk freshman
Golic.
I would just like to tell youall that I'm recording you right
now.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Stop Manx.
You're not Minx anymore, you'reManx.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Now he sounds like an Australian Manx.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
I mean, what are these people talking about?
Those are words I don'tunderstand.
Wait, no, we're not going to gointo that, yet Hold your Golic
on.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Chiefers.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I just want to make it known before we go live or
record or whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, we're live.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Oh, we are.
I'm recording you Fantastic.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
This will go in that cut.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
My husband has known me for almost nine years now.
He has been trying over andover again to try to imitate my
accent my producer has known mefor almost eight years and he's
also tried over and over againto imitate my accent, accent, no
, that was really good I'm goodat mimicking that was terrible
(01:41):
terrible no no dip thong strongI can play this all day.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I'm a two-year-old, I can play this all day long all
right, here we go, segment three.
Okay, this is what we did insegment three.
I had a song I was going toplay that Emma sang for us, but
I forgot to download it, soyou're just going to have to
wait and listen to it.
(02:14):
After segment, the real segmentthree.
What we're going to do rightnow is we're going to talk about
the song Emma sang and whatit's called Puppet Pulpit,
puppet Like pulpit.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Puppet Like pulpit Puppet.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Like you do, to a zit Like Marionette Puppet no.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Gosh, you guys are horrible.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Mary Puppet.
No, understand, this is segmentthree.
Now Gloves are off.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Yeah, I see this.
Okay, puppet.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Thankfully, I'm trying to crowd my guy.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Now, when you sing about pulpit, was it like about
a funeral Pulpit.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Like where the preacher stands.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Was it a funeral, gosh, no.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
My next album is going to be a lot more gospel.
I'm not going to lie.
All jokes aside, puppet Awesomesong, thank you I thoroughly
enjoyed it.
It was the first time I'veheard it.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Thank you, and I heard it, I think, three times.
Well, clearly you didn't watchmy second TEDx talk.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Well, I'm going to now.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Oh, so, by the way, now that Emma brought it up.
Emma was on TED Talk and youshould watch it.
Can I imagine you?
Speaker 4 (03:19):
probably played that at XCAL right.
But when I'm like at XCAL, likeyou're hanging out, you're
drinking you're hanging out,you're drinking, you're talking
like the music's kind ofbackground.
You're not paying attention, ohand.
But I've always known.
I mean, I've seen you at X-Cow.
Yes, you have Phenomenal, thankyou, but it's background Like
meaning you're not, like, you'renot there to pay else.
(03:47):
And I knew you had a greatvoice when, when Guy was like
hey, get an M&G on the show, Iwas like, well, that's awesome,
but just a totally differentexperience to be here and get to
know you.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Tonight I've really enjoyed it.
It's one of the things thatlike it's been quite funny Cause
you know you're right I gobetween being this background
singer kind of wallfloweralthough I'm rather a loud
wallflower to then being theperson that's very much center
stage, everyone's quiet andlistening to me, and that can be
(04:11):
kind of confronting.
I'm not going to lie, but yeah,it's a fun balance.
I'm ideating right now.
I'm ideating I can see it, Mike.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
this is what we're talking about.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
But I am.
But I'm thinking about when,what we've talked about for your
charity, and I know we're wayoff script, but it's segment
three.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
It's segment three.
It's so weird thinking of itlike I have a charity.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
There is no script in segment three.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
So I was thinking about because I've been to XCAL
a number of times.
I hang out there all the time.
I've seen a lot of thedifferent things they do there?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I don't think they know who you are there.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
They don't know me, I know.
I think I keep them in businesswhen they place you, where they
place you when you do a Fridaynight show, it's like that you
are the background.
Yes, it's like hey, come Fridaynight Emma G is going to be
there and have dinner and hangout and have drinks and have
conversation.
I think we need to move you tothe foreground.
(05:02):
So I don't think by the bar.
No, I like when we did when wedid the um, we've done dueling
pianos there Right.
When dueling pianos are there,it is, they are the act.
Everybody's paying attention towhat they're saying.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
what their message is Mike, it wasn't always like
that though.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
No, I understand, but always like that though no, I
understand just one, but mypoint is but that was a great
event it was my point is if youwere sitting at the front and it
was like, hey, yeah, emma g isgonna be here and she's gonna
tell her story.
You're not just gonna sing yoursongs, you're gonna tell the
why behind them.
And it's like, hey, payattention, this is not a sit
around and joke around and fuckaround and have your night you
(05:42):
know it's listen to the messagebehind the songs and raise the
money.
So the event that we talkedabout, you are the focal point
and not the entertainment forthe I do, mike, I I have to.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I agree 1000, like your message, like you have to
be the focal point, gotta be butI gotta tell you, because the
message is powerful.
It is, but I've got to tell youthis In X-Cal's defense I don't
think they know no, and I don'tthink they've done I'm not
saying anything bad about howX-Cal has done it to date,
(06:15):
that's not, it at all.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I'm just saying for what we talking with with Jeff,
like Emma, he believes sostrongly in you Like he wants to
he really does.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Jeff loves you.
I know it's mutual, Like theother day when I was talking
he's a great human when we weretalking about having a you know
a benefit thing, um, for yourcause.
Um, he's like, oh, we can't,and up until you're, uh, when
you go on tour and he's like,wait a minute, now I'm just
gonna call, so I can't rememberjack or somebody's like, I'm
(06:52):
just gonna call him and tell himto move somebody out to get her
there.
That's how much he believes.
You know what I mean.
So, like they believe in yourcause, it's just, you know,
they're new, they're new andthey're new on the scene and
they're trying to figure thingsout and and get things right.
And you know, that's where wecome along and we say, dude,
jeff, here's an idea for you.
(07:12):
You should do it like this andthis you know you'll get this
event, you'll get these peoplethere and it'll support this
person with this importantmessage Um, and it's getting
there, man, it's getting thereand I think we're going to help
them, and I think you're goingto help them.
I think your message is goingto be awesome.
No one's ever going to have aprivate song like we had, it's
(07:35):
true, so fuck that.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
We'll always have.
Tonight we will Save.
Tonight we will.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I mean the only people that will enjoy this are
us we're on the same musicalpage right now.
I mean like not many people.
When Emma's like hopefullyyou'll never be like hugely
popular, I mean I hope you'rehugely popular.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
I hope she is, my goodness, just don't forget the
little people I mean.
I hope you are, but I hopeyou're not.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
One of the things that I'm denied about when you
asked me to sing a song tonight.
I have so many songs that meansuch a great deal to me, puppet,
I chose because it encompassesa lot of the messaging that I'm
trying to share with my youngpeople through, yes, youth
(08:25):
coaching.
But to the point you just made,sir.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Oh, first of all, no, no, no, no, let me, let me, or
puppet.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Wow, I'm about to wrestle your ass.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
I love segment three.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
So to your point.
I have a strong pull to what Icall the coopetition mindset,
aka together we rise, like as Ielevate, my entire purpose of
elevation is to bring everybodywith me, just like the people I
(09:03):
surround myself with as theyelevate, their entire purpose is
to rise with, like to bringeverybody to rise.
I don't like this idea of, yeah, when you get big and famous,
you're going to forget thelittle people.
No, you guys have been like.
My people are my people.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Peeps were the peeps.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Okay, that was the 80s calling, but all right.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
She's not wrong guy.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I'll take it, man, I'm a peep, I'm a peeps guy.
Damn straight it is.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
That's wisdom right, there I agree, so I agree with
you.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
That's wisdom.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Wisdom Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
My husband says I'm not older, I'm a classic man.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
He says I invested in a uh technology.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I'm not going to get into all of it, but I invested
in technology not long ago, andwas it ai?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
no, uh, a little bit, there's a little bit of ai
involved in it.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Um, wait, let's guess what technology it?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
is well, well, hang tight.
So I got in real early and Ireally liked the founding team
and I told him.
I said, listen, you have mymoney already.
That's a foregone conclusion.
But I said you can talk to meanytime you want.
I'll be an advisor informally.
You don't have to give meequity, you don't have to do
anything else.
Call me anytime.
(10:18):
He said the only thing I ask inreturn is when you make it big
and you IPO, you pay to fly meto the IPO party.
Yes, that's all I want.
That's all I want.
I just want to be there and belike listen, I believe in you
early, Like let's go, let's havea great time.
That's you know, so many people.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Dude, I have a huge idea, like a big one You're
ideating.
It's ginormous.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Hold up idea Like a big one.
You're ideating.
It's ginormous.
Are you familiar with the fourmindsets?
The ideator, the executor, theI don't remember what the other
ones are.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
No idea, I'm the first two.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I'm going to Google this Relation Like relator.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I'm all of them, all at once the researcher?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Oh, no, not that Can.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I why she's looking this up.
I got to tell you about my idea.
Tell me Idea.
I think I could be like,instead of an investor, like,
hey, dude, I want to invest inyour company and you know this
is what I want back from it Iwant to be their clown, like
(11:29):
their jester, their chest.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
You're the jester, you're the 15 year old boy 48
year old's body I'm your jester.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Do you tell me to do something on camera and I might
do it?
I believe you.
Yeah, I think that would be fun, man.
I think that's why I like you,guy.
Seriously, can you imagine?
Speaker 4 (11:50):
I'm like, someday I'm going to want to do something
that I can't do myself, and Guywill do that for me.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
That's what.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I think.
I might do it.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I might, minx, I just might.
I'm right, she knows, she knows.
Oh, she knows me.
I've done some things.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
So we figure it out, emma.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I I'm still Googling Four key positions.
Maybe this is it.
We have the creator, theadvancer, the refiner, the
executor.
So the creator is the ideator.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Yeah, I feel like I can't be all of those Seems like
a lot I've created, did you?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I created for 38 years.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Had to be there folks .
So, guy, what do we have on thescreen here?
What am I looking at?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Okay, so here's what we're going to do.
So, first of all, your song wasawesome.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
And I hope everybody that watches it will love it as
well.
Can I explain it?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yes, Okay, so I wrote this song a while ago, and the
whole purpose of the song was toclap back against the people
that try to minimize us as humanbeings, as one-dimensional
beings.
You know, I feel like it's veryeasy, and this kind of came
into, you know, full frontal forme when it came to doing my
(13:17):
first and second TEDx talk,because I just I find, like
being on the TED stage, it's soeasy in the media to dumb
ourselves down to one narrative,which I find gross, quite
frankly, and so the whole songof Puppet is just like I'm not
your puppet, I am multifaceted,multidimensional, I'm a whole
(13:40):
freaking human being.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Can I use that as the not the press theme song?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
of course you can oh, you oh intellectual property
that's my damn, I mean honestly,that is the not the press.
Theme is like look, think foryourself and that's what I try
to you know, that's what I try.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I do my work with my youth, yes, youth coaching.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Because, you're welcome.
It's really important for theyoung people that I work with to
recognize how theirindividuality is theirs, to
create in whatever capacity thatthey want to create it, not
because society tells them theyneed to be act or do what
society tells us to be act anddo that's right, that you know
(14:26):
what free thinking and whatalbum is that on?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
it's not.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
it's coming up no, it is a single standalone that's
not on one of your albums,that's a great song, thank you
you should put it on a singlejust put on your new album no,
the new album, so I have an EPcoming out in March.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
And that is all the songs.
Well, not all the songs.
That is a collection of songsthat I wrote teenager to early
20s as my own way of free-formexpression, and there's some
pretty heavy stuff there,including how I processed my
father's passing.
But there's also pretty heavystuff there, including, you know
, how I processed my father'spassing.
But there's also some lighterstuff there.
But then the main album for2024 is going to be released in
(15:13):
July-ish, in accordance with theUS tour that I'm going on, and
that is a direct consequence, Iguess, of the Write a Song a Day
challenge that I have done thispast month.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Well, how many albums do you have?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
This will be my fifth .
Speaker 1 (15:36):
We should have dug into this early.
I'm sorry I have to dig in nowbefore we get to my schmuck
Album one.
What year was it?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
2018.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Five albums.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
What was I doing in 2018?
Not good stuff.
2018?
Yeah, I was traveling a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
That's good stuff.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
I feel like if I was like what was traveling a lot,
that's good stuff.
So what was the album?
I feel like if I was like whatwas I doing in 2018?
About the same stuff, I'm doingright now.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That's not a bad thing.
That's not a bad thing.
What was the?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
album name Taking Flight, Taking Flight.
Okay, Now you've had threealbums since, and then you've
got a fifth one coming out right, yes.
Now, from all those four albumsup until now, what's your
favorite album?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Born in Crisis.
And what year was that?
2022.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Okay 2022, born in Crisis.
Okay, and what's your favoritesong on that Pulpit?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Okay, no, no.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
It's basically a pulpit.
Yes, it's about the Catholics.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Listen, I've been holding back for two segments on
my color commentary.
We're getting into this.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I just needed to warn segments on my color commentary
.
We're getting into this.
I just you needed to warn me,sir.
Okay, so my favorite, the Bornin Crisis album is an incredibly
personal album for me.
It was me writing a song everyday for 31 days straight and
then me choosing my top 13 songsfrom the album you know from
that experience into an album.
(17:25):
So some stuff that came up forme over those 30 days I was not
expecting to have happen.
Um so it was deeply personaland deeply surprising, and one
of them I think it was day five,day six I wrote a song called
Faith in you which freaked meout because it was the most raw
(17:49):
and real I'd ever been about myown self-worth when it comes to
relationships.
It was my own oh crap, I'mactually in love with somebody,
kind of song.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
You've never been in love with somebody up to that
point.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I think I've loved, but I've never been with
somebody who's as honest andmakes me honest.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Did they give you a good foot massage?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
He does great massage .
Yes.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
That's kind of the key to it.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
So, so good, in fact, that we got married three
months ago.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Isn't that right, Minx?
The foot massage makes it good.
It's all about the footmassage's like it's about the
foot massage.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
No, um, but yeah so.
So faith in you, I think, is myfavorite song on that album.
Only because I think it was thefirst time I was like oh shoot,
I'm in this okay, we're.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
You know I'm going to .
I've listened to all your songs, um, but I'm gonna have to
circle back.
If that's your favorite, isthat your favorite ever?
No what's your favorite ever?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I don't know that's I mean I no.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
What's your favorite ever I?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
don't know.
I mean, that's a hard question.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
It's like asking what's your favorite child.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
No, no, no, there's got to be a song.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I don't agree.
No, I don't agree.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Let me explain myself .
It depends on my mood, but letme explain myself now Amen.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Okay, let me re-articulate this.
Not necessarily your favorite,but what song means the most to
you?
What was the song when youwrote it?
Which?
Speaker 4 (19:11):
child would you choose if you had to pick one,
to live forever?
You have to.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
No, no, no, no, Look there are songs.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
It's a hard question.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
It's a hard question there's a song.
I'm telling you.
You guys can sit here and lookat me like I have a big dick
growing on my forehead.
But there is a song that meanssomething more to her, because
the way she wrote it, thefeeling she had, the environment
she was in when she wrote it,the state of mind she was in,
(19:44):
that means more to her than allthe other songs.
I'm telling you.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I don't.
I'm going to talk for Emma aminute.
She's going to tell me if I'mwrong and I'm going to tell you
something.
Right now I'm going to get alittle open because I can't rap
about it, but I have a bit of anartistic.
I have a bit of an artisticflair.
I always have, um, I, I was, Idrew a lot as a kid.
(20:14):
Um, I appreciate the artsprobably more than most people
know.
Um, and I don't even likeembrace that side of me that
often.
But what I would tell you is um,the question you're asking, I
feel like, is really hard forsomebody like her to answer,
because if I think about how youwould try and decide to answer
(20:35):
that, it's like trying to decidewho's my favorite child because
you you pick different thingsat different times and they mean
something to you in that moment, and it doesn't mean that one
is greater than the other, butthat they they meant something
to you in that moment and itdoesn't mean that one is greater
than the other but, that they.
They meant something to you atthat time.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I disagree, and and I disagree in this fact you're
right super hard, but it's agood hard question it's not
impossible I I Not impossible, II so.
Because there's one that shefeels deeply and it's pulpit.
(21:10):
It's about a sermon Okay,there's something I feel.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I feel deeply about faith in you, because it's the
song that I first opened up tomyself.
I was hold on, I wasn'tfinished.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Because it's a song that led me to realizing that I
was in the right place to fallin love and grow and heal and
get married Super personal,beautiful.
But also I have a song calledMiss Me With that, which
(21:50):
discusses some of the trauma andhealing and overcoming of you
know, of you know some of thenegative treatment I've received
as a result of my brain damageand brain surgeries.
That again, is anotherimportant message for myself.
(22:11):
Another one of my favoritesongs is Together we Rise,
recognizing that who we'resurrounding ourselves with every
day dictates our future and whowe're becoming every day.
There's another song of minecalled Superhero, which is my
way of recognizing theimportance of using love and
compassion as superpowersagainst fear and injustice.
(22:34):
There's another like there's somany songs of mine that have
direct they're all your favoritesongs.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
They are.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
There's a song that I wrote for how to heal from my
sexual assault.
There's a song that I wroteabout clapping back against my
abusive ex-boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
There's a lot.
There's a lot.
I'm going to leave it at this.
Mike, you're going to say it'simpossible and you may not want
to answer it's impossible.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I appreciate her, I'm not saying favorite song.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I'm not saying favorite song.
What I'm saying is what songmeans the most.
If you listen to that song, yougo through and you listen to
your songs, all the ones youmade you listen to it and the
one that makes hair stand up onyour arm and you feel it
different, different way to askthis question.
(23:23):
Well, yeah, okay, I'marticulating it different way to
ask this question.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
I'm articulating you can only listen to one of your
songs or sing one of your songsfor the rest of your life
that's's a good way.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Which?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
one is that I'll take that.
It's tough and it's a hardquestion.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
It's a good one.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
It's a hard question.
It's a good one.
You don't need to answer itright now.
It's a good one and.
I'm going to leave you withthat.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
You shouldn't, you shouldn't answer it, Don't look
look.
And the thing is is because Iknow it exists.
I know it exists, I know, Iknow, and you don't have to tell
us, and you don't have to tellus why, none of that.
But I just want to expose thatto you that exists with you,
(24:12):
because, no matter what, likeyou can have your favorites and
everything, but there'ssomething that means so dearly
to you out of those favorites,that and then kids are different
, dude, come on.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Are you calling me a kid?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
No, Maybe All right, all right, let's go to the fun
stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Let's go to the fun shit.
I mean that was fun, that wasfun and I want to continue to
have these conversations becausemusic, I feel music used to
move people.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I think it still does I mean your things are no, I
don't, no, I don't.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
I think I would say mainstream music used to move
people, yeah not anymore, andmore or less, I feel like you
know I listen.
I've got Sirius XM.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
If you flip through, if it is just like today's hits.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
It's about me.
It's like what is all this?
That's true.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
What is this You're?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
not getting Emoji's music, but I think that music
still moves.
It's just it's more underground, I agree.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Like there are people that still feel music.
I sent you a link to the musicman and I love pulling his stuff
.
Every day I look at his stuffbecause he goes out and he finds
this good, raw music of thesekids it doesn't matter what it
is and these people just doingmusic, singing, playing music,
(25:37):
dancing, because it feels goodto them, um, and that's lost.
I think it's getting lost.
Um, but you know, that's justmy opinion.
I, you know, I think today'smainstream music is about all
about show.
Now, and it sucks.
You know it does.
It's not about.
You know, like I was sayingbefore, it's not about fuck the
man, it's not about at all.
And now, in fact, it's about,um, oh, let me lick your shoe,
(26:01):
man.
That's what it's about and thatpisses me off.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Um, that's mainstream music, and that's not what
you're about we were at.
I'll leave you this we were atkaraoke the other night and it
was.
It was terrible um buteverybody kept choosing bill
Joel songs.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
And I love.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Billy Joel and the music's so good and I just
thought they don't make musiclike the same.
No, or they do, but it doesn'tplay on the radio.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
No, there was a time when Billy Joel music, or music
like that, you felt it throughyour soul.
It wasn't just a good beat.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Here's the best part.
You felt it, man.
Here's the best part.
In 25 years, 30 years, our kidsare going to be sitting here
and going.
People just don't make musiclike Nick Jonas anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
To be fair, nick Jonas is pretty dope, I agree.
That's why I used him.
He's very talented, that's whyI used him.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
He is talented.
My point is maybe we just don'tunderstand, and maybe the
people our age 30 years agodidn't understand Billy Joel,
maybe.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
No, no, I'm telling you, but everybody, loves Billy
Joel that motherfucker.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
No, no, I'm telling you like, but everybody loves
Billy Joel that motherfucker.
Played piano.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Stevie Wonder.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Same thing with him.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, prince.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Prince.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Tina Turner, I mean I , the list goes on the
Cranberries.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Look at the Rebels.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Cranberries, the Rebels, dolores man.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Like the Rebels out there.
Depeche Mode, u2, guns N' Roseswhat happened to these
motherfuckers?
Where are their voices now?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
No, the difference is you're not listening to today's
music through the ears oftoday's youth because you're not
.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I will confront that a little bit.
There is Kendrick, there is um.
This is America.
What's his name?
Childish Gambino, there is.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
there are a lot of like out there, it's out there.
You do need to dig, yeah, butwe're also, we're not we're not
hearing it, it's not mainstream,because you need to dig.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
I don't think it's just because you need to dig,
it's just because we're old.
No, speak for yourself.
No, we are, listen, speak foryourself.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I'm telling you You're right, but this is what
happened.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Listen, this is no different, the only difference
between us sitting here havingthis conversation right now and
the people who are having it.
30 years ago, you know what thedifference is.
Ours is on a microphone.
It'll be recorded forever.
No, theirs was over.
Beers on a kitchen table going.
What are these kids listeningto?
I disagree I disagree, I don't,I disagree, I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Tell me about that.
I disagree, because I havealways liked Led Zeppelin and I
didn't grow up with it.
That wasn't my time frame.
I mean, it was pretty close.
No, I was born in 1977.
I understand that song came outin 1979.
No, it came out in 1976.
(29:19):
Sure, all right, came out in1979.
No, it came out in 1976, sure,all right.
So, so, like I, you can't.
There there are so many songsthat personally, I grew up with,
like everybody grew up with.
Yeah, there was a stupid songsthat came up because it was pop,
you know pop culture during thetime.
But there was there was thingsthat, um, music seemed real,
still like.
For instance, okay, this is astupid, petty example, petty,
(29:44):
but I think it's a good one.
Um, and I, I still think thishappens today.
But you know, did you, you playsports in high school?
Did you play sports?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I did not.
Well, I know you did, I didokay.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
So, um, I can tell you, like in high school
football and high schoolbasketball in the 90s, you know
what was the one song whenyou're going to that rivalry
school that you played on thatbus or when you won a game.
It was queen.
We will rock you unanimously.
(30:18):
Okay, now does that still go on?
Speaker 4 (30:22):
I don't know.
I mean, there's a lot ofcontent out there.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
But what I'm saying is is like if it's up to our
generation to keep putting thatstuff out there and teaching
these kids, look, man, likemusic used to mean something
Like the people that write musiclike what you write.
It means, means something to you.
It's not what someone's tellingyou to write.
A lot of these mainstreamartists they're singing what
(30:46):
someone's telling them to writebottom line and unfortunately
that goes out on social media,that goes out on the airwaves
and we don't hear the good stuffbecause we're blinded by all
this bullshit all right, I just,it's a message I will tell you
that, like sorry, lady gaga andpink I don't like lady gaga
(31:06):
anymore okay, that's I used tolove her.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I think she has a beautiful voice she the lyrics
she writes and the messagingthat she gives her audience is
super affirming yeah, I justtell you about her, though tell
me.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I'm gonna tell you my experience with her because I
absolutely think she has one ofthe best.
She's the one of the mosttalented vocalists ever with her
style of music, the way shepresents herself talent.
We went to a show in vegas andshe was supposed to be doing
(31:42):
like a tony tony bennett thingright um, it was a jazz show and
I that was the show that,personally, I was looking
forward to forever.
She stopped in the middle ofevery song for like five minutes
to put some agenda out and itwas like fucking stop, just sing
(32:05):
your fucking song.
Dude Like this is stupid.
People came here to listen toyou sing, not about your
political agenda, and that'swhat bothers me.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Stop that shit.
Isn't that part of the fuck theman thing that you're talking
about?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
That's not fuck the man, that's going with the man
of what their agenda is.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
You know what I mean and I understand if you've got
strong feelings for that stuff,whatever that agenda is.
But some people really enjoythe music Right, like me, I
really enjoy the music rightlike me I really enjoy the music
.
I look forward to hearingsomeone like lady gaga and her
vocals and her talent and to youknow, to sit there and pay all
(32:49):
that money to have every I'm noteven exaggerating every single
song interrupted with an agendaspeech is absolutely crazy to me
.
Like do it in the beginning, doit at the end.
It just fucking pisses me off.
Like you're like whateveryou're you're saying with your
(33:11):
agenda, put it through yourmusic, not in the middle of your
music, and it just that's howthis whole thing like it just
drives me nuts.
Like stop alienating everybody.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
I think that guy and I are gonna be like the best old
men drinking beer I was everhonestly like we are gonna.
Honestly, we're gonna be thebest.
We're gonna be the best old manwith beers in our driveway ever
dude, I, I Dude.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
I hope that we can have beer in our driveways and
be able to share stories withour kids the way that, but
they're never going to agreewith us.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Look, I think that part of self-awareness is
realizing when you hit a tippingpoint.
We're getting there, maybewe're there, maybe we're not,
but we're going to hit a tippingpoint.
We're getting there, maybewe're there, maybe we're not,
but we're going to hit a tippingpoint where our views are no
longer the most popular.
The problem we're having is ah,I'm going to have to stop
(34:12):
myself, I'm going to go down ahole.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Let's not go down that hole.
But I do want to bring a point.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
I was about to talk about a couple of 80-year-old
people.
That's not the hole we want togo down.
A hole, let's not go down thathole.
But I do want to bring a pointup.
I was about to talk about acouple of 80-year-old people,
and that's not the hole we wantto go down.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Let me just bring up one point, and then we're going
to get to these comments on thisstupid post.
I'm going to bring up a pointthat Emma sticks to that I
appreciate you had mentionedearlier why you wrote a song and
why you felt the need to writethat song the feeling, the
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environment, so on and so forth.
That is art, that is music, thatis absolutely what should
happen, and that's what musicand art is for, and that's what
music and art is for.
Music and art is not, in myopinion, to write a song and
then, in the middle of it, stateyour statement.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Your music is your statement.
Finish singing Poker Face andbe like fossil fuels are bad.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
No, in the middle of it Can.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
I push that a little further.
Absolutely Should we.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I appreciate that you appreciate.
I appreciate that youappreciate the purpose behind
the music that I make and why Imake it.
I think a lot of people arescared to make it.
Yes, and that is why I do whatI do Fuck yeah, that's why
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you're sitting here at our tableright now.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yes, sir, damn it.
That's why there's a littlearmy dude right here.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
They're all pointing their guns at me, though I'm not
sure why.
Thank you, okay, that was weird.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
This guy's obviously scared of the minks, obviously
scared of the minks.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
But that's the point.
Like you know, I think a lot ofit is fear-based.
I think a lot of the way thatthe media works is fear-based
because we're scared to look atourselves, we're scared to
confront ourselves, we're scaredto express ourselves.
That is what youth empowermentthrough songwriting is all about
, because you cannot beat anenemy that you refuse to
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acknowledge so don't be scaredlet's, let's, embrace that,
let's, let's, you know, embracethose dark shadows and make
friends with them, so that wecan then navigate them safely,
healthily and productively youknow what, and don't be scared
to get canceled.
I thought you said cancer.
I was like what well I'm scaredof that.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, I mean, do not like this whole, cancel culture
all your people will find youyou know what?
That's right, you know, fuckthat.
Um, you have a message, put itout there and it, and and also
look at the other perspective.
Now, okay, with that said, um,this actually is a good segue
into the comments of, uh, myweekly post, which is headlines
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satire I'm scared yes, it's uhheadlines people don't
understand satire anymore theydo not.
uh, it's called headlines beforethey were headlines and what it
is is supposed to be 10 yearsin the future, and it's.
People don't understand satireanymore.
They do not.
It's called Headlines Beforethey Were Headlines and what it
is is supposed to be 10 years inthe future and it's a little
newspaper article and it'ssatire.
My intent, as Mike knows and Ithink I explained to you, is I
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don't like politics.
I don't want to discuss the Rword, the D word, any of those.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
What's the D word?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Ooh, oh, we can't say it in here can't say that
dictionary demo demolition okay,gotcha yeah yeah, so uh like
none of that should.
Uh, all that does is drivedivision.
So, um know, the post I put up,um I mean makes, can you scroll
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?
Speaker 2 (38:02):
a little bit crazy.
I'm not going to lie there, itis Okay.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
So breaking news?
Um, and it's about the Epsteinlisten you know?
Okay, here it says 15 yearslater, because it's already been
four years, four and a halfyears no list.
Okay, and that's true, wehaven't.
It's satire and it's like youknow what motherfuckers Produce
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this list, because there's someguilty people out here that are
hurting children.
And then the other one is aboutrobots.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Anyways, let's and poop in San Francisco, which is
a real problem.
Poop in San Francisco Is is areal problem.
Poop in San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (38:39):
actually, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I've not been to San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
There's an app where you can go and you can see where
people poop on the sidewalk.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
The homeless problem is so bad in.
San Francisco people aredefecating on the sidewalks.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
I really don't understand why we don't do more
about the unhoused problems inthis country.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Let's not go into that one right now.
Let's not let that go.
I'm gonna take that off, so I'mgonna point.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I'm gonna point something out on our um, on
these comments, and it's notwhat I was trying to do on this.
I was trying to create somesatire and discussion, but it
went 100 political against.
You know, biden, trump, andit's like there's no mention of
that.
There's not one mention oftrump or biden anywhere.
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And um, the last post I didlast week was the same way and
you know, when you look at theuh, all the engagements on it
and this has only been a day anda half, you know there's almost
a.
You know the 667 engagementsand it's all hatred.
It's all hatred.
There's no, it's all hatred,it's, it's everybody.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Um I don't know that has to.
Let's scroll down a little bit.
Oh dude.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
No.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Now let's get to the.
I'm telling you Now I havegotten some hateful thoughts
towards me and I've replied backto them with not so hateful
thoughts, but there's a lot ofhatred, man.
It kind of tells where ourcountry's gone right now.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
It's like, man, there's got to be a way to stop
this shit I wonder if I mean, Idon't know if it's just hatred,
but just um it's division no, Ithink it's lack of critical
thought it's that too.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
It's it's people that are they're not willing to look
in and research on their own onstuff, and it's such a divide.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
It's such a divide with people but you have to
understand what social, you haveto understand what social media
provides.
Social media good, bad?
Speaker 2 (40:54):
or indifferent.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Whatever is up there provides instant gratification.
It used to be.
You do your job, you go homefor the night, you watch a show
on TV.
We'll keep it right there, minx.
You go in the next day to workand you talk to your friends
about what they watched on TV,because there were six channels
and the chances were most of youall watched the same thing.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Wait, you had six channels back in the day.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
We've only ever had three in three, Now it's four.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
I think You're talking about what this guy
mentioned up here.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
But that's my point is that you're sitting there and
you're saying look, this is forpeople sitting at home at night
saying I don't have a whole lotelse in my life.
Keep in mind America's 350, 400million people I don't know,
check my facts 365 million,whatever it is.
I'm probably not right, butthere's a lot of people out
there that don't have anythingin their life but the social
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interaction they get on socialmedia, and so, whether that
interaction is good, bad orindifferent, it's interaction,
and the longer they can keep itgoing, the better.
And that's what a lot of thisis.
And if you look at these andyou go, wow, I created a post of
this is.
And if you look at these andyou go, wow, I created a post, I
got a thousand interactionsokay.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Well, what's?
A thousand out of 365 million?
Not a lot, nothing.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
So the reality is.
But when you see this, you go.
We're fucked, world's fucked.
Look at it.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
This is obviously a subsection of the entire country
and we're all going to hellthat's not, not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is the hatredis at a high Because if you just
went, guy.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Your future posts are very prescient.
Nobody's going to, nobody'sresponding to that.
They want to respond to themuck.
Everybody wants to be in themud.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Let's get down and wrestle in the mud.
There's one post on here thatresonated me that I replied to,
and it's by Bill Brose.
Or Bill Bros, no, it's BillBros.
He says that's the wonderfulthing about yellow journalism it
requires so little effort.
It is unburdened by things likefact-checking, sourcing,
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confirmation or research.
It exists on lies and itdistributes those lies there you
go To the gullible reader Hitthe.
Seymour, who has few, and hehit Seymour.
Yeah, hit Seymour, babe Seymourbutts, hit Seymour.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
There you go, no, no.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Seymour, there you go .
And has few demands onjournalism other than that it
must tell him exactly and onlywhat he wishes to hear.
It is lazy news for lazy minds.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Or she yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
But his point is he's spot on, and I told him that I
was like, hey, you know whatYou're spot on.
I'm going to mention thisbecause that is what it is.
It's people.
It's not their fault, they're aproduct of their environment.
And this hatred in everything,on both sides of the political
parties, it consumes them.
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All this shit to drive angertowards one another, and they
only want to believe what theywant to believe, or they only
believe what they want tobelieve, or they only believe
what they want to believe.
And that's what they're readingor listening to, and that's
that's usually one or twosources, instead of going out
and look and finding the factsabout this stuff.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
I want to go one further that I actually really
love the next comment down fromGregory.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Oh, I crushed this guy.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
Well, I don't even need to read your response.
He says oh, you're going toread it, we're going to
Newsflash Not.
The press has confirmed to be apool of simmering ignorance,
hate, fascism and treason banned.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah, what about Like on my post?
What about that?
Says fascism, Listen Treason.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
But that is the whole thing is it takes one person,
and here's the thing go to yourfavorite morning, evening,
weekend, whatever show on cablenews.
They now pull from social media, so if they don't want to
listen to the message thatyou're sending, they're going to
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highlight that post becausethat's a real post and they'll
go listen.
This is real information fromthe world about how people feel
about your podcast and they'regoing to go.
You're obviously ignorant,hateful, fascist and treasonous.
It's like eh.
I mean really, come on, don'tread the comments.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
It's one of the things I've, you know it's.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
It just really makes me so sad to see.
This is where we come to.
The social media has driven usto this.
This wasn't before.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
It's also, you know, it's like the keyboard warrior.
You know these are the, thekeyboard warrior.
You know these are things thatare so easy to say behind
people's backs not their faces.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
It's what they have um and again it's.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
It's a often um.
It is the consequence ofunchecked gaps in their
knowledge and lack ofconstructive thought, and all
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that 100%.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
But there are also idiots.
No, I don't think they'reidiots, maybe some of them.
Um, I think that our mainstreammedia drives the narrative
Plain and simple they get peopleto think Is this why you're not
the press that's?
Speaker 4 (46:32):
exactly, but this also highlights the point I made
earlier, which is mostreasonable people, the
reasonable 80% of the middle, isnot commenting on these posts.
Engagement is driven by the 20%of the middle is not commenting
on these posts.
Engagement is driven by the 20%on the fringe, which is 10% way
left, 10% way right.
And their interaction andargument is what drives the 80%
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in the middle to go.
I'm going to watch these idiotsbattle each other.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
I mean it's the same thing, while we have reality
television and all of theridiculosity that we have For
sure.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
I'm going to read my reply because I'm a happy person
.
And you know what, emma?
You hit it spot on.
I'm high energy, I'm not goingto be a downer over these
assholes.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
I said Greg, I'm not going to say his full thing, but
I'm not sure where you see hateand fascism and treason from
this satire.
Ignorance, basically,absolutely I'm ignorant.
This satire is totally meant tobe ignorant.
Um, sorry, you feel that way.
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Basically, you're hangry Go geta hamburger.
You know, no hate in there.
There will never be any hate.
I will never submit hate tothese people that submit hate.
But the thing is is like um, Ithought for a while to respond
on this guy.
I was like I shouldn't evengive it.
But it's like nope, you have torespond.
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You have to respond in apositive way.
You have to, because if youdon't, then you're basically
encouraging these assholes tokeep doing shit like that.
But anyways, let's continue on.
Let's look at some of theseresponses that the the way it
goes like the divide.
It dives so deep into politicsand it's like there's nothing
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about politics.
In that fake news report that Idid, there's nothing, but
everything gets into politics.
It's like what the hell are wedoing, man?
Speaker 2 (48:43):
but everything gets into politics it's like what the
hell are we doing?
Man Can.
I just say though that is verymuch an American thing.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
The political dive, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
In other countries.
I visited New Zealand, fiji,australia.
It very rarely gets so quicklydown the political one hole.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
I'm going to ask a very ignorant question, so
forgive me, that's okay.
What's the political structureof New Zealand?
Speaker 2 (49:11):
We have a parliament that is comprised of 120 seats.
You vote for a prime minister.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
Do you guys want to see my Stanley mug?
Speaker 2 (49:22):
No, stanley, stanley, like, no Stanley, oh, stanley,
like from Marvel.
Oh, that's exciting, that'sfunny, you're hilarious.
So 120 seats in Parliament.
You vote to get as many ofthose seats as possible.
In order to win the election,you need to have over 60 seats.
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Win the election you need tohave over 60 seats.
If you do not get 60 seats, youpartner with another party to
create an alliance and then youhave joint overall.
Speaker 4 (49:53):
You know majority so they have to work together.
Yes, shocking, and what a novelconcept and you'll notice.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
So let's say, for example, two parties.
We have 40 seats and 21 seats.
The rest of the 59 seats arecomprised of the other parties
that were voted in connectionwith how many votes they
received.
So at the end of the election,you have 120 seats filled that
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are directly indicative of howmany votes that party received.
And then, when it comes topassing legislation, when it
comes to anything to do withanything, all seats in
Parliament get some kind of sayin that particular issue.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
That's pretty cool.
Well, you know what?
Thank you, you're welcome.
I think that our structure wasmeant to be something like that.
I'm sure it was, and I'm sureyour structure was based off of
our structure somehow.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
I'm also sure, because we were both colonized
by the British.
You guys just kicked them out,we didn't.
Speaker 4 (51:05):
Yeah, well, I think that there's a there's a lot
listen it's just got corrupted.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
It's nothing.
Speaker 4 (51:12):
It's never going to be perfect, it's just never
going to be not that attitude.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Come on now, like, like I will say this.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
I will say this I believe and it's no offense to
new zealand or anybody else Ibelieve that our government is
the best government in the world.
However, it doesn't mean it'sthe best functioning government
and it doesn't mean that ourpolitical leaders are the best
people that are in thatgovernment.
But the structure, it is theway it's structured.
It's structured Well.
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It's just it's not working wellwhen you have politicians that
are corrupt.
But it is structured very well.
And the thing that I alwaysargue with people about when
they they talk about ourforefathers, this that and the
other and they they call themdumbasses and whatever and it's
like okay, here's the deal.
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These dudes were the smartestpeople in our time.
You have to realize that theydidn't have a television set,
they didn't have a device.
They had books.
They weren't fictional books,they were non-fictional books,
they were philosophy, and allthey did was, if they weren't
learning by their hands, theywere learning by reading.
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That's it.
That's all they did.
They didn't have the same stuffthat we do.
They were geniuses.
They were.
They were absolute geniuses.
We will not experience that.
We will not experience thatlevel of genius in our time.
We will not I wish, I don't Idon't agree, I don't think we
will I, I don't agree not inthat purity well, I don't think
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we will.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
I don't agree, not purity Well, I don't know that
it was pure, I mean these guys,these were listen, let's not,
let's not let's not.
We're going to go way beyond.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
Let's not cross purity what I'm saying with
purity and evil, because there'sevilness there too.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
I will say I do wish that philosophy was a mandatory
subject in schools.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
Me too.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Just like with the arts, I wish there was more art
and more philosophy.
That was included in the schoolsyllabus, just because, to your
point, I think there isdefinitely a lot of well-meaning
and intelligent human beings inthe world, but we are not
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necessarily going to see them oraccess them or or get the best
of them, because we're notfostering the next generation
appropriately.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Because they're so to a device.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
I don't think that that is all I hope in the years
that I all, I hope you're rightIn the years that I was studying
for my education and for myqualifications, I discovered
that a lot of our teachingprinciples are still based on
18th century pedagogy andlearning styles, and the world
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is not built that way anymore,so we need to update everything
and how we're educating, howwe're teaching, how we're
working with and empowering ouryoung people so that we can get
those diamonds out of the rough.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
Yeah, I mean, it goes back to what your whole, your
whole voice is, you know umyoung adults not being heard and
figuring out how to empowerthem to know that they can be
heard and then giving them theconfidence to put their that
message out.
And you know, it's just, it's.
I feel like, um, there's peoplelike you that are trying your
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ass.
You're trying your ass off toget it done, but there's not
enough of you.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
I still have a lot of booty, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
I just think that people are so greedy and money
hungry and power hungry thatthey don't give a shit about
that anymore.
I just don't, and you're one ofthe few.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
Thank you.
You're one of the few.
I think there aren't many outthere, but their voice isn't out
there but I mean, is my voiceout there?
Speaker 1 (55:06):
I'm trying you know, but I'm that's.
What I'm saying is like thereneeds to be more of you, like
there needs to be more peoplethat say you know what, fuck it,
I have to put my voice out forthis but, um, you know, there's
a, there's a really good storyand people, people say it's uh
propaganda.
But it's not, it's history,it's fact.
Um, it's about argentina, um,in the 1970s, when, um, they had
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their revolution, basically,and a lot of kids went missing a
lot of.
It was a lot of kids that weretalking.
It was young adults.
They were expressing theirvoice and you know, all these
thousands of mothers were likewhere's my son and where's my
daughter?
And they were killed.
They were assassinated.
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It was a bad time for them.
But 30 years later this is inthe mid-2000s they went back and
interviewed people in Argentinaand they said oh, I didn't know
that was happening andeverybody knew it was.
And that's what I feel like isgoing on right now with what
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you're saying.
30 years later, if enoughpeople don't say fuck this.
We have to empower these peopleand let them know it's okay to
talk, give them the confidenceto talk.
30 years from now, ourneighbors are going to be like
oh, I didn't know it washappening and it's bullshit.
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Everybody knows it's happening.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
It's funny.
When I was researching my firstTEDx talk, I came across a
piece of data that suggestedthat the World Health
Organization guesstimated thatit would take the average adult.
This was in, I should prefacethis was in July of 2020.
So we're no September of 2020.
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So we're about six months intothe pandemic.
It would.
They guesstimated that it wouldtake about 10 years for the
average adult to mentally andemotionally recover from the
pandemic.
We were only six months in then.
They're only talking aboutadults.
Speaker 3 (57:20):
They weren't talking about adults?
I'm not, they weren't talkingabout kids.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
They weren't talking about teenagers.
Yeah, it was, but I mean youdon't have to be a fan of them
no they the.
The guesstimates were 10 yearsfor the average yeah human like
fully functioning brain.
What?
Speaker 4 (57:38):
does that mean, though?
What does it mean to recover?
Speaker 2 (57:41):
I don't know they Right.
Speaker 4 (57:42):
And I don't know that they knew.
Honestly I think about this allthe time.
Honestly, I really do Fuck them.
I think that here's the thinghow many generations have gone
through what that pandemic was.
Not a lot.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
Influenza in the 1800s.
Speaker 4 (58:04):
But did they go through what we went through?
Did they go through a societythat was so interconnected, like
we are, and then, all of asudden, wasn't?
They didn't.
No, they didn't.
And so the reality is, peopledo these studies and they go.
It's going to take adults 10years to recover from this they
have no data recover.
But but recover from what?
Yeah, this is, it was novel.
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Everybody said it was a novelcoronavirus.
It absolutely was.
It happened at a point inhistory that had never happened
before yeah and so I think whatpeople fail to realize they fail
to realize this all the timeeverybody wants to look at a
situation through the lens ofwhat they know and not through
the lens of what they know andnot through the lens of history.
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And the lens of history willtell you that, well shit, man.
All we do is adapt and survive.
We are a species like anythingelse on this planet and there
are going to be a lot of thingsthat happen that you cannot
predict, know or understand howthat is going to impact you.
Moving forward, I agree.
So everybody's like well, it'sgoing to take you 10 years to
(59:08):
get back to normal.
What's normal?
Speaker 2 (59:10):
maybe normal is no longer normal anymore and to
that point I don't think thenormal should be normal, because
the way that things were beforethe pandemic, super unhealthy
unhealthy, that's alwaysunhealthy let's not go down this
road of the pandemic, because Iam going to go deep in the
rabbit hole, because I have mythoughts on everything.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
No, I, I do like, I mean I really like um, yeah, you
know, pandemic is real I'm justtalking about the mental health
ramifications, especially foryoung people.
That's all it's, it's huge,it's huge.
It's huge ramifications.
It's like even kids wearingmasks in school that are, you
know, kindergarten, first grade,second grade.
Speaker 4 (59:52):
I'm going to pull it Watching a mouth.
Speaker 1 (59:55):
talk is part of their learning, but let's pull it way
forward.
Speaker 4 (59:58):
You know it's like Pull it way forward.
Let's talk about current events.
Dune 2 came out this week.
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
I'm looking forward to seeing it.
I can't wait to watch it.
You went and saw it.
Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
I did, loved it, loved it, hang on.
Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Gary won't watch it with me.
Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Here's my purpose in bringing this up.
That movie takes place in theyear like 10,000 something.
Okay, that's 8,000 years fromnow.
I'm excited and guess whatSociety's fucked.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Oh, it's fucked.
Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
You look at it right, that's 8,000 years from now.
Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
The point is.
Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
The point is we all get so hung up in a moment in
time it's just going to change,and that was my point I was
making earlier.
About that, we I disagree, dude.
Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
I disagree.
We're only going down therabbit hole a little bit on this
.
Just the tip, just the tip.
But I disagree because with thepandemic there are things that
I will never forgive myself for.
That we were forced to do withmy son and the fact that we had
(01:01:17):
to give him a vaccine I willnever forgive myself for that.
Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
You should forgive yourself for that.
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
But no, the thing is is like that's horse shit.
A lot of parents were put inthose positions.
Sure, and that's what makes itdifferent.
Like the pandemic happened.
Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
You know, whatever that course of history, but the
fact that our own, ourgovernment, our own government
forces to do stuff like that isnot cool, you know, because that
that has, that's going to havea residual effect.
You know, and you know I'mgoing to have a podcast talking
about all this stuff because ofmy mother you know the way she
(01:02:00):
died with it.
Like there's, there's thingsthat happened with it that did
not have to happen, like that,and that I I feel like, um, our
own government made, madedecisions and we're not
forthcoming on the public, uh,to make, to force us to do
(01:02:20):
decisions.
Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
But my my point in the Dune analogy it just was my
point in the Dune analogy waslook at it from the perspective
of somebody 8,000 years from now.
Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Can I bring this home for a minute?
Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Please do.
Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Whatever your thoughts on the pandemic are,
whatever your thoughts are onthe future thoughts on the
pandemic are, whatever yourthoughts are on the future,
that's the point of being the,the mentors and the coaches and
the leadership for our youngpeople, yeah, because we need to
be teaching these young peoplehow to be resilient and how to
(01:02:59):
be positive and how to keepfighting every day and how to
keep questioning and how to dotheir research and how to be
positive and how to keepfighting every day and how to
keep questioning and how to dotheir research and how to
express themselves healthily100%.
Whilst also maintaining theirown dignity and sanity.
Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Yep, that's right Like that, that's it.
I mean, that is the best pointwe can leave this on is
empowering our youth for allthose points right there.
They should have the confidenceto do all that stuff.
They should know they shouldhave people like us that mentor
them into that position.
(01:03:37):
Say look, it's okay to do allthis stuff.
You should be doing all thisstuff and with that let's go
ahead and end this segment.
That got kind of deep.
It's supposed to be a funsegment.
Damn it.
What was fun I had fun, I hadfun.
Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
The Minx had fun.
I think she's still awake.
Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
She's not talking.
Can you say hello?
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
She's spoken a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
That was like a good hello to us.
So, emma, we appreciate youcoming here tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
We know it's late.
This was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Honestly, this has been the most fun we've had.
I agree this has been a goodone.
Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
I mean, this is episode two, so it's not.
I mean, we've done a lot oftest episodes, a lot of test
episodes.
Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
There's nothing I like more.
I mean, we've done a lot oftest episodes, killing it, a lot
of test episodes Killing it.
Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
There's nothing I like more than to kill things.
Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Look, you're really episode one.
Episode one is a conglomerateof recordings, so you're
actually episode one, but I hadto put you as episode two.
Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Listen, I'm here for it.
I'm so glad that I could behere.
So to listen, I'm here for itand I'm so glad that I could be
here.
Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Yeah, you know, coming up, we have a lot, of, a
lot of really good guests likeyou that have good stories that
have you know.
Hey, they're fighting forsomething.
They're fighting for theirvoice to be heard and have a
message about certain topics allimportant to them, important to
me, and I bet you, if you heardthem and talk to them, they'd
(01:05:05):
be important to you too, justlike your messages.
But this has been awesome and Ihope to have you back.
Hopefully we don't get a wholebunch of thumb down messages.
You never know.
Oh my gosh, how'd that comethrough?
Amazing.
Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
It's the Minx.
Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
None of those buttons were working earlier.
Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
What the.
She knows how to press yourbuttons.
Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
Minx knows how to press your buttons.
Guy Score.
Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
The Minx fixed it.
Okay, cool, that's a wrap, then.
Thank you for joining us.
Thank you for joining us, youfor joining us, and, mike, I
love you, buddy I love you.
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