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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, we're back
and that's another episode of
Not the Press.
And we've got a great guesttoday.
His name is Andy Ross, he's asports agent, he's got some
great stories and Mike is backwith us again co-hosting.
We have a new co-host, melissa,and of course we have the Minx.
We also have an observer.
She's auditing us and it'sMike's wife, jen, and bartending
(00:23):
, and bartending, yeah, andwe're going and bartending, yeah
, and we're going to dive rightinto this, andy, if you can give
us a quick introduction of whoyou are and we'll go from there.
Mike and I have a lot ofquestions and Melissa does too.
I do, yes, and Melissa, I gotto tell you you have to put that
microphone in your mouth, didwe say?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
that out loud.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
That was evil like
perverted.
We can edit out anything, butwe're not going to edit that out
.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, exactly, I
understand.
You know what.
You should actually just put iton repeat.
Just do it again.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yes, Minx, can you
say hello though, Because this
has to happen every time.
You know the deal.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yes, there it is.
That's the voice you need toput the microphone all the way
into your mouth.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I'm sorry, that was
just not appropriate enough.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yes, that was good.
I'll give you an eight.
You're getting better.
The last one was like a six, soit's getting sexier and sexier.
I've heard the really sexy one.
That one was good, though.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
We saved that for
home.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
No, this is my home,
hello, okay.
So yeah, andy, tell us about.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Why are you here?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
No.
So, uh, you grew up in the DCarea and when I was a senior in
high school, um took a sportsmarketing class and actually
took the class because there wasa girl that I had a crush on in
the class and you got a freetrip to Disney.
So I never dated the girl and Inever got to go to Disney, but
I did become a sports agent.
So it was, um, actually reallyinteresting.
Did an internship.
My first job was designingGrant Hill uh, his fan club uh,
when I was a 17 year old kid.
And then uh went to college,wrestled uh at Virginia tech,
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and then I ended up working forOctagon for 19 years, uh, which
was the company that I had.
Sat in the lobby for two and ahalf hours and told them I
wouldn't leave until they gaveme a job.
Hell, yeah, can't do thatanymore, though you get arrested
.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
I mean depends on
where you go.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Well, I did have a
guy show up at my house.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
There's a company
called Raven Tech that has a
lovely lobby.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
We don't even have a
lobby.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
It's the kitchen.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well, hey, you know
Andy.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I got to tell you
when you came in our house and
you went back to the bar.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
You had me at hello.
I've never heard that linebefore.
Yeah, I had to do it.
Do I have to show you the moneynow?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yes, you do Is that
the next thing yeah, never seen
Jerry Maguire.
It's only on TNT every Sundayat 4 pm.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
You're our Jerry
Maguire.
You're our local celebrity here, man, come on, wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
It's Hello.
I thought it was Jell-O.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
You had me at Jell-O
Makes a whole lot more sense now
.
Renee Zellweger.
Right, Isn't that who it wasRenee Zellweger?
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Was that who it was?
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Was it Zell?
The movie is nothing like thereal business.
I will tell you that it's crazy.
I am a marriage counselor, I ama doctor.
At times I am a lawyer.
I deal with child custody.
I deal with, literally,concierge setting up.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Finding people a maid
.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I found people maids,
I bet yes.
Well, we're very specific aboutthe people we hire, though.
After the whole DeshaunWatsonatson situation, we oh man
a lot of ndas around now.
A lot of ndas now, um, but no,it's, it's.
It's crazy.
I mean the business.
If you look at it 20, someyears ago, when I first got into
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it, you know you were justreally doing contracts, but now
because access with cell phonesand email and everything like
you're accessible 24 hours a day, and so it's one of those
things where I'm always on theclock.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Let me ask you this,
Andy so do you just do NFL?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
or do you do all
sports?
So when I was at Octagon I didfootball, baseball, basketball,
hockey and golf, okay, and thenI did some work in the Olympics,
so I was kind of a marketingguy.
So when I worked after collegeat Octagon they had me doing
consultancy work for the BMWaccount, which was this driving
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program that they had, and Iwanted to work in athlete side
of the business and so I toldthem I said, hey look, I know
one division can't afford ayoung kid for 30,000 bucks, but
what if we get six divisions andthey each pay me $5,000 and
I'll just go do marketing forthem?
And they were like, okay, andthat makes it really really
cheap, cause, remember, $5,000back in, you know, like the
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early, you know 1999, 2000, 2001timeframe.
You know it was a lot moremoney.
And so, um, you know they askedme to do my quota was to do 70
deals that year and I did over200 and brought in select
comfort as a big client and, youknow, just crushed it and so it
it.
It was really cool because it itit.
Just as I always tell young youknow people coming out of
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college, if someone gives you ajob to do, do it way better than
they could have ever expected,in that you know the money will
eventually come.
But you just have to do greatwork.
And you know there were 14 ofus that were hired.
Seven of us got jobs two yearsafter that.
I was the only person left.
So you just get weeded outbecause people you know it all
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has to do with the work ethicman.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, it's all work
ethic dude.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
7 am to 7 pm every
day, you know, and then I
bartended at night.
It was, you know, and that wasI actually made more money
bartending than I made as asports agent.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
You know what, though
?
How much did bartending helpyou, though?
Like to socialize with peopleand learn how to People don't
understand people likebartending.
That's like you're a doctor initself in some places.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
More a marriage
counselor.
I think, yeah, yeah, I mean youhear people A therapist.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
That was great.
I actually loved it.
But you know what's crazy isI've only been on one other job
interview my entire life,because I never had to interview
at Octagon because I hadalready worked there.
And so then, when I was, I wasfrustrated about the money I was
making and so I I went on a um.
I remember back in the earlytwo thousands they had these
websites it was like six figurejobscom, and so I had buddies
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that worked over there.
It's like you should apply, youshould apply.
So I go and I meet with the guy, the head guy, and he goes Andy
, I would love to hire you.
He goes you are a greatsalesperson, you know how to
talk.
He said, but I'm going to tellyou right now, you'll be a great
sports agent.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
So I actually won't
hire you because you need to
stick in this career, and what acool thing for someone to do
right.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
No one knows that
story I've actually never told
that story before that's fatetoo.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
It's a not the
podcast exclusive.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yes, Not the press
podcast.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Is that what I?
Speaker 1 (06:41):
said Yep.
I mean we could start a spinoffcalled Not the Podcast.
It'd be interesting.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, a podcast,
that's not a podcast.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
There we go.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Yep, just a bunch of
guys standing in a field talking
Like, yeah, this isn't apodcast, we can do whatever the
fuck we want.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
So let's get back to
the topic here Now.
So you've done all sports andall kinds of different.
You've represented alldifferent types of worlds out
there.
What was your favorite Like?
If you could pick a sport thatthe people that you represent is
your absolute favorite?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Well, I mean, I love
football.
Like in America, right,football is the number one sport
.
So if you're, if I said that Iwas a baseball agent, people are
like, oh, okay, that's cool.
You say you're an NFL agent,like, people will like literally
stop what they're doing andthey're like, hey, I want to
tell me everything.
I want to know who this personis, what this?
Who have you met?
What deals have you done?
You know it's crazy, but youknow what I loved?
I love the hockey guys.
The hockey guys were so bluecollar and like I would do a
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$10,000 marketing deal for a guyand then he'd be like, oh, okay
, well, yeah, maybe I'll do it,I don't know.
And then I'd be like, oh man, Igot you this backpack with your
name embroidered on it.
Like, yo, yo, did you see thisbackpack, man?
It's like a different colors.
They'd be so excited about it.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Just genuinely like
heartfelt dudes.
It's it me.
If I'm wrong, you'd know morethan I do.
I feel like a lot of the hockeyplayers.
They're not always in it forthe money.
It's more heart and love withthe game.
I mean not saying that footballplayers aren't the same way, or
baseball players and NBA, but Imean you got to.
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There's so much money involvedwith that.
Now, with contracts, a lot ofthem do get bent by money and it
is all about the money.
Sometimes you know, like someof these guys, that are getting
ridiculous contracts and it's, Ifeel, like NHL guys are not
like that.
For am I right in saying that?
Or well?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
it's interesting, you
, you made one point People
don't realize the NFL is theonly sport that doesn't have
guaranteed contracts yet it'sthe most physical hockey's
guaranteed contracts.
But what happens with thehockey guys is when you're
really good, they know thatyou're really good at.
You're like age 10, right, andthey're like, oh, this guy's
gonna make it yeah, they callthem rink rats, right, there are
these scouts that are all overand they're called rink rats and
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they find these kids that arelike 10 years old, right, and
then they send them up into upinto canada and they live with
these foster families and theyare raised by the team, and
that's what a lot of these kidsend up becoming and that's how
they make it.
So it's a long farm systemwhere these kids are not really
involved with their I don't wantto say actually, I shouldn't
say it they're involved withtheir family, but they're living
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with this foster family and sotheir family becomes the locker
room and that's why I thinkthese guys all just are raised
in that mentality.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
That's how a lot of
the European soccer players are
Like Messi.
They found him when he was alittle dude.
He was from Argentina.
He went to Brazil and played ina club that's where he grew up.
He grew up as a little tiny,knee-high kid.
They do that.
They find these great soccerplayers that do the same thing
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too.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Same thing.
Yeah, I was going to say thatwhat I know about hockey is that
it seems like it's the onlysport where everybody's trying
to sign a football contract whenthey're 16, but the hockey
players will not go to collegeand go be in Canada and just
play around in there to getbetter so that they can come
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back a little older and a littlestronger into the league yeah,
I mean, it's just look you.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
You know the kids
that are studs at hockey is that
most of the kids?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
have followed this
path?
Or is that, just like thesuperstars, right?
Is it, you know, when you lookat the supporting cast, the guys
that aren't superstars?
Have they lived a more normal?
You know, maybe they they grewup in minnesota and went to, you
know, one of the big 10 schoolsfor hockey and then found their
way to the league.
Or is it, like most of the nhlplayers, the guys that make it
that far, following that path,identified young being raised,
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you know, by these fosterfamilies doing stuff up in
canada?
I just curious you know what?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I don't know enough
about it to know that answer.
I would just say that most ofthe players that I worked with
went through that process.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
And it's actually
pretty incredible.
And it's actually amazingbecause you have these families
in Canada, Like they've taken insome of the greatest hockey
players in the history of thesport, yeah, and they were just.
You know was like Johnny, thelittle 12-year-old kid who cared
we fed him.
Every day he went to practice,he did what he had to do.
It's all about rink time.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
If these families
have had multiple ones, they're
like foster parents to severalplayers that are playing in the
same league coming along behindeach other.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Do these guys ever go
back once they've made it and
take care of the families thatfostered them along the way?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I don't know that
answer either it seemed like a
pretty good kick up but itsounds like.
It sounds like a great questionto foster kids up in.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
You know like hey,
just hoping you get the right
one.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, no I uh First
foster family, yeah, you just
put 10 kids up.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
You say everybody
race as fast as.
Let's see who the fastest, andbest shot.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
You get to stay at
the house, right, melissa?
We need a question from you.
We need you to ask Andy aquestion, a good, well-thought
question.
Come on.
Yes, you have this All right?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Well, if you're going
to say well-thought, you're
going to have to give me aminute, well?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
thought you're going
to have to give me a minute.
Can we make it about sports too?
Yeah, you didn't say off thecuff.
Oh no, give me a well thought.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Give me a second.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
All right, while
she's thinking of that, I have a
not a well thought one, um, andI'll probably get kicked in the
shin from the minx, who was thehottest one you represented.
Michael Guy or girl, Guy orgirl.
We don't judge here.
We do not judge here.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Well, I mean, Anna
was obviously stunning, right,
and she was.
You know, I'm in my 20s and Imeet Anna Kournikova, Like
that's pretty cool.
You know, Jeanette Lee wasactually one of my first clients
.
If you don't know her, she wasthe Black Widow.
She's an Asian billiards playerthat always wore all the
leather.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Can you pull her up,
that's kind of fun.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
So I'll never forget
the first day I'm supposed to
meet her.
I get all dressed up BecauseI'm like Jeanette Lee's coming
in.
I do her marketing.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I gotta hang out.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Oh wait, we're gonna.
Oh yeah, you gotta click thebottom picture.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
The sexy ones.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I mean, she does look
good.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
So I've played her in
pool over a hundred times.
Did she whoop your ass everytime?
I haven't won one.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
It's not really my
game.
She never wanted to wrestle.
She's just playing with youremotions.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
You asked her every
time she beat you in pool there
was a clause at the bottom thatwas like if Andy wins, we have
to wrestle but I do have a greatjeanette lee story, because so
you know she's known as theblack widow and so we would play
all the time.
And you know, sometimes, youknow she would every once in a
while miss a shot and if it waslined up, we're in nine ball.
You can, you just got to makethe ball and it's, it's lined up
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.
But she would like sit thereand like get down by, like the
the pocket right, and she'dstart playing with her hair.
She'd be in like a tank top andstart flirting just to get you
off your game.
Because she was the best.
I mean, she was incredible, sheknew how to work a room, she
was the best, right?
So she comes out to sanfrancisco and my, I was
bartending out there too, mybuddy jimmy's sitting there and
he goes.
I said, hey, jeanette's,jeanette's here tonight, we're
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gonna go play pool.
Do you want to join us?
And he's like, sure, yeah.
So Jeanette and I play.
Of course I lose.
You know, two or three games ina row.
Jimmy shows up and he's meetingher.
Well, she says, okay, I'll,I'll, I'll play your buddy Jimmy
.
So Jimmy's all excited.
You know he's going to play.
Jeanette Lee is smoking hot.
You know black widowno-transcript.
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Walked out of the billiardsclub, got in a cab and left.
Never played her again.
Yes and she.
I've never seen someone sopissed off in my life.
She was like like tell yourbuddy to get back here.
I want to bet him $1,000 a game.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
And Jimmy was like
I'm out, dude, I'm out.
I'm out because she's reallygoing to kick my ass.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Oh, yeah, Full sticks
going in my ass.
The story is way better than$1,000.
Oh yeah, no it's great.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
So we still talk
about it.
Green grasshopper, I'm like, ohyeah, yeah, funny.
So anyway, it's uh all right, Igot one stories, oh yeah let's
hear.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I don't say if it's
well thought out or not.
Have you ever dropped a client?
Have you ever opted to saythanks but no thanks?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
um, well, I would say
this during the, what I think
I've learned in the process is,when I'm recruiting a player, if
they don't fit who I am, whichwhich you know, I was a wrestler
.
So I look for certaincharacteristics in players and,
you know, work ethic isobviously a huge thing and a lot
of these guys are talented andthey make it to the league.
But if they don't have some ofthese boxes check some of the
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boxes I'll walk away from them,because you can have a guy that
goes in the first round but he'sout of the league in four years
because he doesn't have theright work ethic, the right
mentality.
He's just super talented.
And then you can have a guylike Wyatt Teller, who you know,
happened to get drafted later,but I just knew he had something
special about him, and then he,you know, ends up becoming an
all pro and he worked his way in.
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I wouldn't say that I've had todrop them, but I've dropped
them in the process ofrecruiting them.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Just giving them a
pass.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Yeah, it's kind of
like dating sometimes.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
You just don't call
back as much.
You're selective on who you'reworking with, would you?
Speaker 1 (16:13):
have dropped Johnny
Football.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
So we represented
Johnny.
I don't know if you knew that.
So when I was at SSG, ebrepresented Johnny, and so there
was a lot of stuff behind thescenes that you know he had a
handful, yeah, but you know what?
Johnny just had things that hehad to deal with, right, we're
all we all like people forgetabout it.
It's like we're all human,right.
And so when you're in yourearly twenties and you know
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you're um, you get you knowmoney, you get you know money.
I mean EB used to tell mestories.
He's like Johnny would sitthere and like you have, some of
the biggest names in Hollywoodare sending them DMS, you know,
trying to get them to come outto their party and whatever.
Like that's a hard thing tomanage.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
And so, as a kid,
yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
And then, all of a
sudden, you have millions of
dollars and people wantautographs and I mean I watched
Michael Phelps literally changeovernight, overnight and like
then he couldn't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
um, I got a lot of
michael stories I, I want to, I
want to hear some of thosestories.
But I just got to make onecomment about, um, old johnny
football.
Um, I watched his, the netflixdocuseries, the documentary they
had, and you know what I got togive him props.
Man, like he came out.
And he came out and he owned it, he owned it all, he owned it
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all.
And you know a lot of peoplethere were a lot of different
sports commentators and a lot ofassholes out there that were
criticizing him because of thatdocumentary and it's like man,
fuck you guys, that dude cameout and he laid it all out and
he owned everything he did and,and you know, you have to give a
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guy credit for that.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
What's he doing now?
I don't know that.
I know.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Uh, Johnny, what is
Johnny doing now, Johnny?
Speaker 4 (17:56):
he played up a
Canadian football league for a
while.
I don't think he's playingfootball.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Very pretty person
sitting in front of a very large
computer.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Minks.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Can tell us in about
two and a half minutes?
Throw it up on the screen.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, she is our data
checker, verifier, fact checker
, all of the above.
Oh, what's it going to say?
You can't trust anything.
Google says anyways.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
There's certain
things you can probably assume
are correct.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I mean, he's getting
his life together.
That's what he's doing.
He's still relatively youngYoung guy right, yeah, I mean he
knows he's not going to playfootball he makes a lot of money
.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I mean, look, he's
Johnny Football, so he's always
going to have memorabilia rightAppearances.
I think he's getting his lifeback in order.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, that's what it
seemed to me.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
So I've got a
question like timely topic right
now.
But are you seeing what's theimpact you're seeing of NIL with
what you're doing?
I mean because it's all overthe news right now Racehall
Saban's comments.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
The dark side.
You know what?
The dark side of the.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
NCAA.
We're going to have like aboard in here and we're going to
have like a board in here andwe're going to have a gold star
system, because that would havebeen the first gold star in our
show, that's a damn goodquestion, dude, great question,
holy cow.
No, seriously, I wouldn't.
I was thinking about that allnight.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Well, I will say this
I think that NIO is great
because I think all theseplayers have been not getting
paid for all these years?
And look, there were peoplegetting paid under the table.
We all do that, right.
No one's, you know, not goingto think that that was something
that happened.
Right, it did happen, but it'sjust gotten to a different level
now, and so now it's pay forplay and you can enter the
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portal system and you can changeteams and whatever.
Now, the only thing that Ibring up in NIL is I wonder,
over time, how many of thesekids that make you know a few
million dollars aren't don'tkeep that chip on their
shoulders.
So they didn't get the $50million of being in the NFL,
right, Because maybe they hadsome things.
They lost their edge, they lost, and that's what actually gets
(19:59):
you know concerns me a littlebit, right, Like that's.
That to me, is is a, is a is areal issue.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Do you worried at all
about it?
You know diluting the back endof the draft, right.
I mean, if you know you're afirst or second rounder, you
know what your contract.
I know they have the slotsystem now and what people can
get paid et cetera.
But you know, if you're a third, fourth round prospect but you
can make $2 million to stay andthen maybe you work your way
into first, second round.
That's an enticing propositionand I know it's early in the
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process.
Maybe it's too soon to say, butyou think about all the
diamonds that are found in thosemid to late rounds, sometimes
really in the mid rounds rightthree through five.
I just wonder what that lookslike five years from now with
some of that talent, deciding tostay an extra year or two if
they're eligible yeah, I thinkthere are.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I think it has
largely been unfair for the
players, because people areowning their likeness and
they're not able to get paid forit.
Yeah, 100, which is bullshit.
But then, on the flip side ofit, I what I'm concerned of is
the competitive.
How competitive is a universitynow?
Because you have, obviously youhave universities that are
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going to be well more backed,well more.
You know there's going to bemore people, more money flowing
in that are going to pay thesekids more, and you know that's
some of these other smallercolleges and universities.
They may not even have a chanceto recruit that kid now, which
kind of sucks in a way.
You know what I mean.
Like that, that part of itsucks, you know, cause maybe
they this kid's getting offeredthis over here in Alabama.
(21:28):
I hate saying that name anyways, um, but you know, over here
this, this school's better andyou know this, this kid could
have been recruited had not hadNIL not been around, um, but
since over here in Alabamathey're offering him all this
money, you know, I don't knowthat's a concern for me, but the
kids deserve it too.
It's bullshit that they weregetting in trouble for trying to
(21:52):
make ends meet, yeah, when thecolleges are making millions,
hundreds of millions of dollarsoff these kids.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
And the coaches right
.
The coaches had these locked indeals and then all of a sudden
they get a buyout Excuse me,they get a buyout and they end
up leaving.
So these kids that like, andthey couldn't transfer back then
.
So it's like I went herespecifically because of this
coach and then now he's gone,right, so the leverage is
starting to move towards theplayers.
But the leverage is starting tomove towards the players.
But here's the one thing like Ilook at it all these kids, do
(22:22):
you really need $3 million ayear when you're in college?
Right, like I, I had $10,000.
I remember my senior year ofcollege.
I mean I would I would counterthat and say what point in your
life.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Do you not want $3
million, if you can get it?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Okay.
So I want to know what you meanwhen you said you had $10,000
in college because I had like$10.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
No, I worked all
summer and I saved all my money.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
So that was day one
of college.
By day 50 of college you hadlike $10,000.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Well, yeah, I had
lobster like eight nights in a
row.
It was crazy.
I was like I'm so rich.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
You know, some of
these kids had never seen money,
money before, and they getoffered $3 million.
I could see like oh yeah, bringit, well no.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
But here's the point
that I want to make, though it's
I'm not saying they don'tdeserve the 3 million, right,
I'm saying that they can live areally good college lifestyle
with that 500,000.
Sure, take that 2.5 and investit in something, whether it's
properties at the school thatyou can rent out.
Find a way to make that anannuity, because what happens if
football doesn't work out andyou blew through that money?
(23:20):
Right, that's where?
And the point that I'm makingis I want these kids to have the
financial education to knowthat, hey, you can live really,
really great in college with 500grand but you made three
billion, so let's invest therest of it.
Set yourself up for life.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I tell you that's go
ahead milsa why wouldn't like
the nfl, because it's notoriousfor that happening?
Why wouldn't they just havepost-recruitment when
everybody's in their space?
A week-long financial?
Speaker 4 (23:52):
write-down.
They have all kinds offinancial literacy stuff.
Do they make them do it?
I?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
don't know, or do
they just offer it to them?
Think about there's so manystories where but not
everybody's making that muchmoney.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Most guys are making
three, five, ten thousand
dollars.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Right, they're not
making the three million he's
talking about nil, notprofessional right like a g g
wagon is, you know, a rookie carlike there's a reason they call
it a rookie car right, but theygive, they give them that car
right, so like they work deal.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I mean I'm not going
to get onto it here, but there's
so much that's happening behindthe scenes that goes on to make
these kids get paid.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Is that something
that companies like the company
you work for?
Is that something you guys arelooking to do with colleges?
It's like, look, if people aregoing to come and pay these kids
, we want to help them out byproviding this service form to
show them how to spend theirmoney correctly, so they don't
(24:48):
end up in a shithole.
Is that?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
something that people
are looking to go forth and do
for these kids, kids.
Well, it's, it's.
You know.
Look in the media, in this dayand age, with social media and
everything else like you canhave, it's like in the NFL,
where you have the $3 millionguy that's trying to live like
the $10 million guy, right, andthey're, they're going to blow
through the money because theywant just so, you know, show
that they have it and they cando it and whatever Like.
At the end of the day, you canalways educate people.
(25:16):
It's whether or not they wantto listen to it I'm.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
You're right about
that that if I don't, whatever
league it is, you offer somebodythat's you know, late teens,
early 20s a large sum of money.
It's a shame that they don'tactually have the moral compass
that says, if you take thismoney, we're not going to tell
you how to spend it, we're goingto teach you how to use it.
(25:43):
If people have never seen moneybefore, you don't know how to
use it.
I think that was Andy's pointis is they do?
Speaker 4 (25:48):
they have people and
they have programs and they've
got everything in place toeducate folks on what they can
do, but at the end of the dayit's their money.
They're going to choose to dowith it.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
what they choose to
do with it, I can tell you from
a different point of view, butkind of similar in the same
thing.
In a way, just a differentperspective is me, as a young
Marine, going on deployment.
I'm making I don't know $900 apaycheck.
I'm making shit, but I go ondeployment and I'm coming back
with $25,000.
Not much money, right To me.
(26:19):
I am going to spend that$25,000, probably in about two
weeks, because I'm going to goand I'm going to party hard.
And in the Marine Corps, yes,they tell you you have a first
sergeant, you have a sergeantmajor, you got a company gunny.
When you're younger, that'scounseling you and saying don't
do that, this is how you shoulddo it.
Blah, blah, blah.
They can tell you until you'reblue in the face, doesn't matter
(26:42):
, doesn't matter To the stripclub, let's do this, yeah.
And there's dollars flowing.
That's just how it is, man.
That's just how it is.
You go out and you buy drinks,you go out and buy that car.
That is 25% interest, oh God,percent interest.
You know what I mean.
I think that's just.
(27:03):
That's just how one I don'tknow how females think- I can
tell you that's how men think.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Definitely I think it
.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I think that, like
especially if you've never had
anything growing up.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
You know we like to
shop we like to buy bags, but
that big, giganto chunk ofchange I I think you see it more
um, in the media and stuff,because of sports, you see men
get a larger chunk of money, butI don't know.
It's just yeah.
You can have somebody, an olderperson, say to you just like,
oh, be careful with that, becareful with that.
(27:30):
But I'm actually talking aboutmorally responsible like.
This is a class.
This is how you balance yourcheckbook, this is how you sign
up for online payments for VEPCO.
Yeah, I mean all of that stuff,which is, I mean our kids,
those of us that have children.
They don't do that in schooland I think no, it's and it's
garbage Ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
That is a life skill
you should learn.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yep checkbook anymore
.
That's a joke, but I'm sayingwhy not?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
They should do it.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
You know how to
download QuickBooks and then use
Quicken and why you need to payyour taxes and who the fuck is
FICA anyway?
I mean all of that stuff.
I just, and these kids, likeyou're saying, they're in
college, they don't know reallywhat any of this is.
They've been dropped it andthen they here have whatever it
is.
I don't care if it's whateverleague it, I just feel like
(28:19):
they're not morally wrong word,socially responsible to actually
sit down.
I mean right, don't you withyour children?
And you with your children,when you give them, you know
their allowance, you do 30% tocharity 30% in your or that kind
of thing.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
I think that, and
Andy, you can, you can talk to
this, but I don't, I mean, wheredoes that responsibility end
thing?
I think that, and Andy, you cantalk to this, but I don't, I
mean, where does thatresponsibility end?
Right, I mean, I'm a businessowner.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I have employees when
somebody dies, but I mean, I
have employees right, and someof them are highly compensated.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Some of them are not
as highly compensated, but is it
my job to ensure that they knowhow to spend their money?
I talk about it, right?
I First job out of college wasa financial planner, so I talk
to people all the time aboutwhat I think they should do, but
that doesn't mean that's howthey're going to do it.
There's some people that whatencourages them to go out and
(29:09):
make more money is the fact thatthey're going to spend 90% of
it the second they make it, andso I understand what you're
saying in that we have aresponsibility to educate people
, and especially these athletesthat are getting seven figure
checks, have a responsibility toeducate people, and especially
these athletes that are gettingseven figure checks, but not
everybody is going to be wiredto receive that message and it
doesn't matter how you do it,they're still going to do what
they're 100% greedy.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
But the difference is
with athletes you're talking
about majority, young men, SureMajority don't understand
anything about what a mortgageis, the value of money, a car
payment, yada, yada.
The people you bring in and youknow you pay them an amazing
(29:51):
salary, probably are collegeeducated, probably have had jobs
beforehand, probably are comingfrom households where at least
one of the parents has explainedhow money works a few times.
This is a very niche scenarioand I'm sure, Andy, you've seen
(30:12):
time and time again where, ifthey'd been given some sort of
financial outlook which I think,yes, I do think that there is a
social responsibility if you'regoing to give somebody millions
of dollars and they don'tunderstand the value of money,
to help them understand thevalue of money, they're still
going to maybe go out and buy abig ring and a new house and
they don't understand whatinterest is.
(30:33):
But just, you know the thingsthat you've taught your children
.
Your children know whatinterest is.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Yeah, no, I mean, I
would say this like that goes
back to what you asked meearlier.
Right Was have I ever dropped aclient?
Well, I'm evaluating the guysthat I want them to be
successful.
I don't want my guys to getdone with their career and say,
hey, andy, I need help with thisbecause I'm broke right.
So we talk about those things.
Now I stay in my lane, but I do.
(31:01):
You know, part of me is you'renot hiring me to tell you what
you have to do.
You're hiring me to give youthe pros and cons so you can
grow, so you can learn and beyour own business, be your own
brand, and I'm going to educateyou.
So when we comes down towhether it's contract
negotiation, marketing, finances, whatever, you're educated so
you know what you're going to do.
Plus, you have to have thatathleticism and work ethic and
(31:22):
everything else.
But if you have those, that'swhy I don't work with every
single, I mean correct me if I'mwrong too.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I mean, it's kind of
like a, a family physician too,
like you want to be lifelongbusiness with these people too,
I mean, and that makes sense.
That's the way it should be.
You know what I mean.
Like, um, you should be, uh uh,an agent and representing these
guys from start until the veryend, no matter if they're
playing sports or they get outand they have another financial,
(31:51):
and you're there to help them,like that's.
That's the beauty of a lot ofgood agents like you, and and
and some more that are out there.
Unfortunately, some of themjust kind of kick people to the
curb after they make money.
But you know, that's just.
That's just the way the worldis right now, you know, and not
to mention, like the, not anyspecific sport, but like the,
(32:12):
the larger global sports thingsout there that the world watches
at the very top.
They don't give a fuck aboutthese guys.
Let's just be honest.
They give a fuck about thehundred billion dollars they're
gonna make and let's just, Imean, they don't care if these
guys make it or not when they'redone.
They just don't care.
That's not their paycheck.
It's the guys like andy thatcared, and it's maybe that coach
(32:35):
that cares, or maybe it's thatphysical trainer that cares, but
at the very top those cares, ormaybe it's that physical
trainer that cares, but at thevery top, those motherfuckers
don't give a shit.
I mean, and anyone that thinksthey, they there's.
I mean you, you've beeninvolved and I'm not gonna throw
you under the bus that evenasked you to comment on that.
But anybody that is is involvedwith hundreds of billions of
dollars.
They don't give a shit aboutthe people that they're using.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
They just don't all
look, it's a used business I
struggle with that Right.
It's a used business, I get it,but I will say this Like I
negotiated a deal for a longtimedisability for one of my
clients that had, you know,concussions, and so he's going
to get you know six figures forthe next, like 40 years, and you
(33:22):
know that's, that's huge forhim right, because he wouldn't
have had the but it took you tonegotiate that.
It's not just guide him on theprocess, right, like it's
workers comp, it's a, you know,you hire a lawyer for it, but
like you set it up to make surebecause the guy sacrificed
something, I don't go to workand think to myself gosh, monday
was a really tough day.
I don't know if I'm gonna beable to wake up tomorrow and
move because my body hurts, sobad because I got crushed coming
(33:45):
across the middle Right, Likeit's like.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I mean we do, just
the ending of that is different.
It's because we stayed outdrinking until one.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Well, it's the
hangover, but we have Advil you
know, sponsor Advil Tequila cameacross the middle smack me
right in the forehead.
Middle smack me right in theforehead.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Yeah, have you ever
had a tequila bottle?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
No, I actually have.
I have a scar right here from abeer bottle.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Sounds like you were
a Marine.
Yeah, I was.
Yeah, the Coast Guard guysthrow real vodka?
I guess they're real vodka guys.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
It was actually.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I don't know if it's
politically correct to say it
anymore, but it was a midget.
Yeah, I don't know if it'spolitically correct to say it
anymore, but it was a midget.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
I don't know what
else to call it.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Little people midget
you know there's three types of
midgets right.
No, I just know he's a littleguy oh yes, Well, you know, when
you're not as tall as some ofthe other kids, you learn some
things.
So there's three types ofmidgets.
There's this midget, which isthe small midget right.
Then there's the midget, whichis normally what we see.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
And then there's the
tidget.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
He's not really you
don't know if he's a midget or
not, but he's just tall enoughthat maybe he's just a really
short guy.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
This was a tidget.
He was a tidget, he was atidget.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Was he?
Speaker 4 (34:55):
I'd like to be very
clear Guy has an obsession with
little people.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Well, have you seen
one of those he?
Speaker 2 (35:01):
had the small medium
and large scenario.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
No.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Right.
But, your story.
Always in my visual he's asmidget, full on.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
No, he wasn't like
one of those midget wrestlers.
I'm just telling you what mystory in my head is?
Speaker 4 (35:16):
He was like you know,
I just think the irony of a guy
the size of Guy getting a beerbottle hit in the face by a guy
the size of a man.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Well, no See, there
was a combo.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
There was more to it,
mike, there was more to it More
to it.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
And I think that we
should not go into that right
now, because that's going to bea much better story for another,
no I have two we're going toreserve that.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
We're going to
reserve that.
We're going to reenact this.
Let's not reenact it becauseyour balls will hurt for like
two weeks.
It'll be bad.
Two weeks.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
That doesn't seem so
bad.
It's a hell of a story.
Let's go.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Two weeks.
For the rest of my life.
I'll take it.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I was wondering why
you all told me to wear a cup
here.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
You thought we said
bring a cup.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Yeah, so do you have
one like you just have a story
that stands above all the rest.
I mean, if you thought about itbefore you came over like, this
is just like.
This is my agent story, right?
Speaker 3 (36:09):
you know, I mean, I
like it's crazy because you just
have thousands right and youjust don't think about it when
you do all this stuff, and thensometimes you sit back and
reflect and like one of the coolthings that you you know it's
it's not really a story aboutmyself.
It's a story about, like, justchanging someone else's life,
which I I always look at andthink that that's look, I'm a
I'm a strong faith guy, like Godput me in this situation to do
(36:32):
some really cool things and Ihave this really interesting job
, but I actually have theability to change not just my
player's life but generations oflives, right?
So there was a.
This is back in 2009.
I had signed a player namedAaron Curry and you know he was
a linebacker and usuallylinebackers that didn't have
sacks weren't really gettingdrafted that high, but he was
the number one rated player.
(36:52):
So it was down to actually himand Matthew Stafford to be the
number one pick and actuallyJason Smith, who ended up being
the number two pick.
And it was down to reallyStafford and Curry to be the
number one pick in the draft.
And so I told Aaron, I said,look, we've got to do something
to make you be known more thanjust a football player.
(37:14):
I want the owner to think thatyou're going to come in and
change the locker room.
You're going to change my team,you're going to change the
community.
You're a guy we build around.
We got to get on the owner'slike playbook, right?
So, aaron, we ended up findingthis little boy.
His name was BrysonMerriweather and Bryson was a
leukemia survivor from St Judeand I chose him and we actually
(37:37):
invited him to the draft andAaron brought him in and put it
first time it ever happenedwhere you made the draft about
someone else.
So we had this little boy there.
He thought he was giving Aaronthis tour of St Jude.
Aaron's like sitting andthrowing football with them.
I still think the hair on myarm stands up when I tell the
story, because we literallychanged this kid's life.
And he's like hey, do you knowwhat the, what the NFL draft is?
(37:57):
And Bryson's like hey, do youknow what the NFL draft is?
And Bryson's like, yeah, Ithink that's where you're going
to get drafted really high.
And he's like oh, I hope so.
He's like have you ever been toNew York City?
And he's like no, I've alwayswanted to go, but he goes.
My mom and dad were actuallymilitary and he goes.
They just didn't have the moneyto be able to ever go to New
York.
And I said, bryson, what if Itold you I wanted to invite you
(38:19):
to the draft?
And what if I told you I wantedyou to just sit in the green
room with me and when I call outmy name, would you come on
stage with me and hold up myJersey?
And I mean everybody's cryingHell.
I was crying Right and likeAaron actually had to give up
the space in the green room forhis grandma and grandpa and it
(38:41):
took ESPN by storm.
It was like, wow, this guy's,you know, so selfless, like he's
just about the work and youknow what.
It was awesome, like you hadall these players that were
there and they were askingBryson for his autograph and for
his picture, and these are allguys that would be top first
round picks.
And it was like it was so cooland his mom and afterwards, like
we have this picture of we'reall on stage and it was really
cool because Bryson's holding itand his mom pulled me aside
(39:04):
later and she said I got to tellyou thank you, she goes.
That was the first time we'veseen Bryson smile since the day
before he was diagnosed withleukemia.
Wow, and like.
That's the kind of thing.
So when people ask me aboutstories like that, to me is
that's what makes it all worthit.
Right, you came up with thisidea and you didn't know where
(39:24):
it was going to go.
But then it does this and yousee it, and Bryson ended up
playing college footballrandomly Wow At university of
Chicago.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
That event probably
changed his, his whole outlook
on life.
Yeah, I still, I still, I stilltext with his family.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
All these years later
, jeez, he's healthy, he's
healthy.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Yeah, doing great.
What's he doing now?
Speaker 3 (39:45):
He works in finance
Awesome.
Yeah, he didn't want to becomean agent.
I broached it with him.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
He's like no man.
I saw what you did, andy.
Let me ask you this.
Let me ask you this If you everwanted to come back as a guest.
Would you want to bring himwith you?
We can call him virtual.
We could, we could do thatbecause I would love to, to just
talk about what he felt and howthat changed his life.
(40:11):
You know what I mean.
Like that's cool and that'sencouraging for a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
It is and it was.
It was such a cool experience,right, like I mean it, like he
became famous overnight becauseespn is now writing articles
about him and he's not, you know.
I mean, yeah, I'll never get.
Aaron andrews was sitting there, she was crying about it, right
, and it was like and you dosome of these things, and I'm
not saying you don't do stufffor press, right, you do stuff
for for pr.
However, like at the end of theday, I get to look back and I
(40:38):
say you know what?
What's my coup de grace moment?
And there's a number of them,but that's one that's like just
very, very high up it doesn'tmean it can't be dual purpose
Getting good press because you?
Speaker 4 (40:46):
did something good
doesn't mean that you still
didn't do something good Right.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
It's the same thing
as like making money, like if
you could make money and do goodwhile you're making money, why
the hell wouldn't you do that?
That's right Now.
If you're going to be evil andmake money, then fuck you Like
Peloton, fuck that.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
You don't like
Peloton.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Oh, no, no, no no, no
, we'll talk about it.
I'll show you later.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Well.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I have a subscription
.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
I've got 500
subscriptions.
What's that app that tells youhow to save money?
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Rocket, rocket.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
It's Rocket.
I don't know if it's calledRocket anymore.
Sponsorship.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Get rid of those
assholes.
Beep that out unless they payus for this.
Yeah, exactly, beep.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Hey, I'm an agent by
nature.
That's right, so I will tellyou this.
So everybody always says what'sit like to be an agent?
Because they say you know, doesit bother you that people
always think you're shady?
Does it it's bothering you thatyou're in the dark corners and
you're waiting for this kid tocome out and you're taking
advantage of him?
You're making all this money?
So I always tell the story ofthe snake and the rat and, if
you don't know, the story of thesnake and the rat.
(41:46):
I texted myself to this.
Yes, so the snake and the ratwas something like this.
I was told this story by anagent.
I had this WNBA star.
Her name was Cheryl swoops andshe was getting all this, um,
this fan mail.
And I'll never forget like I gotall this and I was.
I go to, um, this woman, debbie, that was her agent.
I said Debbie, I said we gotall this stuff.
(42:07):
We got to get into Cheryl Causeshe's got to sign this, she's
got to give it to the kids Cause, oh, you're so young in the
business, you don't.
Oh yeah, she was great, but soit was like my induction into
the agent business.
I had this wholesome heart oflike.
Of course we've got to get allthese autographs or these
(42:28):
pictures signed and all this forall these kids and mail them
out.
It's impossible, there's notenough hours in the day to take
care of all that stuff.
So then they told me the storyof sometimes, hey, you just have
to be an agent, and so whatdoes that mean?
So then I learned the story ofthe snake and the rat.
So the snake and the rat isthere's a rat and he's got to
get across the water and there'sa tree that had fallen and it
(42:52):
goes across so he can cross overinstead of drowning in the
water to try and swim.
He's going to cross over thislog.
Well, in the middle of the log,there's a snake and the rat
comes up and he says he says,hey, I need to get by.
And the snake says and he goes,but I can't go by you because
you're going to eat me.
And he said he said, look, Ialready ate.
I had two rats already thisweek.
(43:13):
I'm stuffed, you can walk byand you'll be fine.
He said I don't know.
I don't know if I can reallytrust you.
He said look, I'm telling you,I've already eaten, I'm stuffed.
I don't want to move becauseI'm tired.
I'm taking a nap, just walk onby.
So the rat's a littleapprehensive.
He's sitting there and he'slooking around, but he's got to
get to the other side of this ofthe stream.
So finally he starts to walkand he's slowly going across and
(43:35):
the snake's sitting therelooking at him.
And he's walking and he'swalking and right as he gets
next to the snake, the snakebites him and eats him or has
him wrapped up.
And the rat goes what are youdoing?
I thought.
You said you were fine.
You said that I could walkacross.
You said it was going to besafe.
He said man, I'm a snake.
That's the story of what it'slike to be an hundred million
(43:57):
dollar deal.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Hey, I'll be a snake
yeah, so, and that's part of the
business.
Yeah, I mean, that's, that'spart of.
Uh, you wouldn't be in thatbusiness if you weren't, if you
didn't have, if you didn't lookyourself in the mirror and said,
okay, I might have to do thistoday and but this is the reason
why I'm doing it.
Well, you can be a nice guy.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
But you can't be
friends with everybody right now
, man.
That's true in anything.
And you shouldn't be friendswith everybody, right?
No, man, that's true inanything.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
And you shouldn't be
friends with everybody.
But here's the thing you shouldnot be friends as an agent.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
if you're doing your
job right and this is the
hardest thing I had to learn asa young agent If you really do
your job well enough, it's goingto be really hard for that guy
to fire you.
Now there's going to be certaincircumstances.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
But, like enough, you
gave someone an opening for
them to be able to steal yourclient.
Unless you know, they show upwith a bag of a louis bag with a
million bucks in it.
I'm a diehard philadelphiasports fan.
Grew up in pennsylvania, likethat was always my thing.
Um, I hear all the time thatand if you're following the
eagles offseason likegangbusters right, is there a
team in the nfl that's had anoffseason like they've had right
now?
And I don't say that just as afan.
I mean they've got some majorsignings.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
But I hear all the
time that people won't pick up
howie's phone because you can'ttrust what how he's doing you
know how he is a grinder yeah Imean, I have friends, a lot of
friends that work over there andthey're like look they'll,
they'll be like, oh man, I Howiethis, howie that, but they're
like, that dude is on his phoneall day, nonstop.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Shaking the mover.
Man, he's moving right.
Yeah, shaking the mover.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
And he was in a tough
.
I mean I know a lot, I've knownHowie for a long time and so
there was a lot that he wentthrough when Chip was there,
right, and he got moved to theback of the football facility
and I and he got moved to theback of the football facility
and I mean it was Jeffrey Lurietook care of him.
I do have a great Eagles story.
I love it.
Oh, yes, so when the Super Bowlthey won the Super Bowl, yeah,
(45:53):
I didn't have a guy on the teambut I wanted to go into the
post-game party.
So, being that, see, sometimesthere's an advantage to being
five, eight ish.
No, is that a tidget tidget?
No, ish, ish.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
No, I'm ish so you're
, you're a tidgetish no, no,
five, six and below is you didit okay, I'm above that.
Don't come with respect okay,that's you know, I'm wearing big
shoes anyways, have you seenthose tiktok ads?
Speaker 3 (46:16):
they targeted my ass,
so so I'm sitting there and I'm
finally like slowly maneuveringmy way and finally I sneak into
the to the party, and thenwho's the first person I ran
into?
But but pink, because she didthe national anthem, so she was
sick.
We and you know, I'm namedropping right now because it
makes me feel cool, but I likepink, by the way.
Oh yeah, she was great, but shewas.
She was actually way smallerthan I, than I.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
She's a little person
too.
She's not a tidget.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
She looks like a
gymnast.
Imagine the tidget size isdifferent for women.
There's a qualifier there.
I don't know what it is.
The minx is short, she's short.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Last night she's tall
when she's sitting on her
wallet.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
That's my line Last
night.
Last night we she's tall whenshe's sitting on her wallet.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
No, look at that,
that's my line.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
But last night we
were up at the club and this
woman that we know came over andstarted talking to us and
Carrie looked like a giant and Ijust kept on looking like, oh
my God, she was definitelybelow-tidget style, was she?
Speaker 3 (47:22):
good-looking.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Yeah, she's a nice
person.
Did you give her a?
Speaker 2 (47:25):
name.
Because size doesn't matterwhen they're good-looking.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
No, I mean she's
married and she's like
doppelganger in personality withthe minx, like 100%.
But I was just looking I waslike, oh my God, because
Carrie's like hi.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
I got to hear the
rest of this Super Bowl story.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Oh sorry, I'm sorry,
I mean I'm all in and you're
like.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
I'm like hey, come on
, give me something good.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Sponsored by ADD
medicine Is that a squirrel no.
So so I'm sitting there andfinally you know it's taken me
forever to sneak into this partyand I finally get in, because
you know you always act likeyou're supposed to be there,
right, so I can talk my way intoit.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
This was in Minnesota
.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Uh, was it Minnesota?
Yeah, minneapolis it might'vebeen.
Yeah, I've been to a lot ofSuperbowl, sure, I always forget
where they are.
But so I have to use therestroom.
And I'm going to the restroomand I'm using the restroom and
the guy's next to me and I saidI was like man, I can't believe
the Eagles won.
What a hell of a game, what agreat job by the Eagles, really
cool.
And he's like, yeah, I can'tbelieve.
(48:31):
I mean unbelievable, so excited.
And I look up and it's JeffreyLurie.
I literally told the owner Iwas shocked that they won the
game.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
I was like oh gosh,
I'm in trouble.
That's awesome, yeah, I mean,but he probably couldn't believe
it either.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
It was great, it was
a great game.
I mean you know it's.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
I mean I've had I've
been to 15 Superbow bowls and so
I've gotten to see some reallycool.
Uh, so I I've never gone.
I've never gone to a super bowl.
I went to the nfc championshipgame that year.
It was phenomenal, great time.
Um, I didn't go in 22 to thesan francisco one.
I always said for me, I wouldnever want to watch my own team
(49:11):
in a super bowl.
Like, go to the Super Bowl,because you spend all that money
, everything on the experienceand half the stadium isn't
rooting for your team and theother, you know, out of the
other half, 25% kind of care,but not really.
And so for me, I was in collegewhen the Eagles went to the NFC
championship game and you knowthat long streak, right, I
(49:31):
wasn't, I couldn't afford to go.
But I always said, when they goback to the NFC Championship
game at home, that's what I'mgoing to go to, because we're
either all going to win togetheror we're all going to lose
together.
And there may be a couple ofobnoxious fans there from the
other team.
Right, because they carefamilies, things like that, like
good on them.
Right for traveling and beingat that event.
But I wanted to be there withmy people, you know, and so I've
always said like this year'sSuper Bowl Chiefs, 49ers, that
(49:54):
would be a Super Bowl.
If I'm going to go to one,that's the type I'd want to go
to, because I don't have amassive rooting interest, I just
want to see a good game.
If I'm going to spend all thatmoney, I want to be able to
enjoy the experience without theanxiety of wondering if my team
is going to prevail at the end.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
So I will give you
the counter to that.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
I would love it.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
You're 80 years old.
You've never gone to this game.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
I mean, I'm not that
old, do I look that bad?
No, I'm saying, but you are 80years old, right, you could be
80.
Speaker 3 (50:19):
And you're on your
deathbed and you're sitting
there going.
I could have gone and watchedmy team when they won three
times and you never did.
Sure, right, like the bills.
But if you're really a fan youknow I've been to 15 of these
things I have no rootinginterest, other than the fact
that if my guy wins, I'm goingto do more marketing money and
(50:40):
make a little bit of moneymyself, right, but, like you
want them to win experience.
That it's a, it's a careeraccomplishment.
As a fan, there is nothing likethe Superbowl to see your team
actually.
Cause the only fan card I haveis the Dodgers, cause I can't
have a fan card in the NFL, andso you need to do it.
(51:00):
It's very important to do it.
What you went to as far as anNFC championship game, it's
actually harder to get ticketsfor the NFC championship or AFC
championship game because it's ahome team, right, people don't
want to give up their tickets,but it's such a better
experience to go to that game.
Yeah, but you have to go to theSuper Bowl.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
I mean, you know,
let's see, Maybe if the Eagles
get back there I'll give you ashout.
If you're going to be out there, we'll make it a trip.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
Yeah, no, I'm usually
there, I, I'm usually there.
I'm the one running around withcargo pants on selling Super
Bowl tickets.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
Are you a?
Speaker 3 (51:34):
scalper, I have I at
one point sold so many tickets?
I had over $100,000 in mypockets Cash.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Cash Wow.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
I'm in San Diego and
I'm in my early 20s and I'm
thinking to myself God, someoneis going to kill me if they
realize how much cash I had.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
And so then I had
rememberyle bowler.
I do that, you know, I do.
I recognize that name.
Speaker 3 (51:59):
The ravens
quarterback, yes so, kyle, we
used to bring all of our rookiesto the super bowl and I have
all the cash you know for allthe guys to to give them their
you know, for their tickets.
And kyle walks in we're sharinga room and he walks in, he goes
are you a drug dealer?
Because he just sold all thesepiles of cash for everybody.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
But yeah, it was, you
know the only time I have piles
of cash is when my Marinebuddies come.
We go to the Crystal Cityrestaurant and I come home with
you know 300 ones, and the mixis always like I know where you
were last night, because you'llfind a giant stack of cash on
the table upstairs.
(52:39):
It's all ones, though, it'sokay.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
It's the only time I
have a stack.
Speaker 4 (52:44):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
Stack of cash.
That's the only time I've everseen it, other than with
government stuff.
But you know that's it.
No, I mean I, you know that'sit.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
No, I mean I, I you
know what when you.
So it's so different being inmy 40s now, though, as an agent,
versus when I was in my 20s,because when I was in my 20s
like I didn't have any money butI wanted to hang out with the
guys and they all wanted to hangout with me because I had all
the hookups for them, you know,and so I was like ian entourage
right, so that's what I love atthat point.
right, you know our turtle maybe, and so I was just the hookup
(53:13):
guy.
Now I'm like the old guy.
Such a great show.
Now they're looking at me.
I just started watching it.
Actually I just finished secondseason of Entourage.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Really.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
Yeah, crazy.
Speaker 4 (53:23):
I have a great
Entourage story.
So a guy that works for meThanks, sir, a guy that works
for me.
Talk about worlds colliding.
I've got two guys that work forme.
One I've known since highschool, this other guy I've
known since I've been in thebusiness.
And a guy from high school hasa part-time business doing like
(53:45):
photo restaurant.
They take analog photos, putthem online right, make them
digital.
So his mom helps him run thatbusiness.
I'm not going to use the namesof folks, but uh, he had a very
famous estate that reached outand said we need you to digitize
all our photos.
And he's sitting there goingthrough these with his mom, like
(54:05):
a year ago, and he looks atthis one photo it's a wedding
photo, this really famous people, there's all these famous
people in the meeting.
He goes Holy shit, that's theguy I work with.
He's in this photo.
So I call the guy I work withand I tell him this story.
He goes.
Yeah, let me tell you thecraziest thing about that
wedding.
He goes.
I didn't even know I wassupposed to be at like the
(54:26):
rehearsal dinner.
So I'm out in the morninghitting golf balls on the
driving range and this guy nextto me goes dude, you've got a
great golf shot.
Let's go play nine.
And I look up and it's turtlefrom entourage.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Oh, that's bad.
Speaker 4 (54:39):
I'm on the golf
course, golfing with turtle.
My wife calls me to tell methat where yet.
And this famous person'swedding they were at.
I'm trying to be respectful.
These guys say they may notwant me telling this story.
I don't care, because you'resupposed to be golfing right now
with famous guy's wedding thatyou're at and he's not.
Instead he's golfing withTurtle and he's like I can't do
(55:00):
it.
It's just the craziest likeseries of coincidences I've ever
heard.
And this is just.
I just learned about this likea month ago.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
It was hilarious.
Yeah, giants players, and youknow, I had Justin Pugh there
and him and him and JerryFerreira, I think, is his name.
Yeah, yeah, you know, hey.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
I you know I have a
very quick story of my brush
with fame.
It was with iced tea and it wasglorious.
Carry the minks and I went toVegas and we went to his wife's
show, the Coco.
What is it that Coco?
What the Coco?
What is it the Coco?
What the Coco?
Show right, Coco something.
Speaker 4 (55:39):
It was like a
burlesque show, yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:40):
And she was the star.
She was a star.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
San Francisco, no,
this was in Vegas, oh nice.
So you know, the show wasgetting ready to start.
So I went out to get some beerfor the Minx and I and it's this
long hallway going back to theauditorium.
So I'm walking back with thebeer, I'm the only person in the
hallway and I see out of myperipheral there's these people
(56:05):
behind me.
So I look and it's iced tea andI'm like, oh hey, I was
wondering if you were going tobe here.
And he looked at me with hisgangster smile and he said bitch
, it's my show.
So I went back to Minx.
I was like I just got called abitch by Ice-T and I was happy
about that.
I still am.
(56:25):
He called me a bitch and he satright behind us too.
It was kind of funny.
But that's my brush with famebeing called a bitch by a
gangster.
It was awesome.
You're not amused.
I can look on the camera andsee.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
I'm actually very
amused.
Ice-t's never called me a bitch, and I kind of wish he had.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
I mean he called me a
bitch, the Peep Show.
The Peep Show, that's right, itwas Coco's Peep Show.
Yeah, he was like bitch, it'smy show All right bastard,
you're lucky, you're iced tea.
Speaker 3 (57:02):
It's funny when you
get in situations like this.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
I've been in some
pretty exclusive parties over
the years.
Yeah, that would be ourdoorbell for all your listeners.
We have some good watchdogs.
Speaker 4 (57:15):
It's actually the
ring it might have been the uh,
our guest host heading out yeah,yeah, yeah, uh.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
So for anyone
listening and anybody watching
um, our other guest co-host hadto leave.
She couldn't handle the immenseintensity of this talk.
Now she'll be back.
Uh, I have a question for you,man, before we get too far off
track here.
Speaker 2 (57:40):
Oh, are we on track.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
We're never on track.
We should call this podcast offtrack.
That's a.
You know what.
That's actually a pretty goodone.
It's not bad, yeah.
So what are your thoughts?
I know you told me before thatyou you weren't heavily involved
because you had something biggoing on.
We'll talk about that here in aminute.
Um, you weren't heavilyinvolved with this year's draft,
but how do you feel about thedraft this year?
(58:02):
Who are the winners and who arethe losers?
Speaker 3 (58:04):
I well, offensive
lineman like this is.
I mean 27 years.
This is the best o-line draftI've ever seen and I'm an.
O-line guy Gotcha.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
What teams are the
winners?
Do you think?
Speaker 3 (58:17):
We haven't had the
draft yet, so we don't know.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
Okay, with all the
talks that are going on and
everyone that you know, that ismore than likely committed, what
teams are going to win?
Speaker 3 (58:30):
I think Washington is
prime to.
Hopefully they get Drake May.
I'm a big Drake May guy Forquarterbacks.
It's always for me aboutcerebral processing and drop
back how quickly do you diagnosethose are?
And I really like that out ofDrake May.
(58:50):
I mean, a lot of people areCaleb Williams guys.
I think Washington's kind oflined up to do really good.
Adam Peters is going to do agood job.
Really like that.
Out of drake may.
I mean a lot of people arecaleb williams guys.
I think washington's kind oflined up to to do good.
You know adam peter's gonna doa good job.
Um, you know I you know thejets and what they're doing is
actually pretty cool.
They filled a lot of holes infree agency and still they have,
you know, the number 10 pick.
They don't have a second roundpick, they gotta.
They have a third round pick.
(59:10):
So, like you know, they'reanother team that I think could
come out of here looking reallyreally good.
I mean imagine they took Tyrell, they took Brock Bowers and
picked 10.
Yeah, and then they get a widereceiver in the third round All
of a sudden.
Now Aaron Rodgers has weaponsand a solidified offensive line,
they end up having a greatdefense already, so the Jets
(59:35):
could come out of here lookingreally, really good.
Speaker 4 (59:38):
That's awesome.
It'd be their quarterback,though, cause Aaron Rogers is
going to be vice president.
Speaker 3 (59:43):
Oh yeah, we'll see
either that or jeopardy host
which?
Hey, I will say this.
I don't know if you all watchthis, but but Aaron Rogers
killed it as the jeopardy host.
I'm a jeopardy guy.
Speaker 1 (59:51):
I, aaron Rodgers,
killed it as the Jeopardy host.
I'm a Jeopardy guy.
I did see that.
I like Aaron Rodgers, you knowwhat?
I don't care if he says somepeople think he says crazy
things.
I mean I like Aaron Rodgers.
That's where I stand, becausehe doesn't give a shit.
He could be bat shit crazy.
He doesn't give a shit.
No, we used to work with him.
Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
many, many years ago
he was a client of ours.
I love it Early days.
Early days, my actually ex-wifenow I'm not going to mention
her name, cricket, but sheRibbit Did you say Ribbit or
Cricket?
But she chirped so no, but hercousin actually was his high
school center, so it was kind ofweird.
When we signed him I was like,oh yeah, you know this guy, this
(01:00:30):
guy, you know how it allconnections in six degrees of
separation is big in thisbusiness.
Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Yeah, I'm sure so in
your world.
What do you consider moreexciting here?
Going through and working allthis stuff for the draft or
doing free agency type stuff?
Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
I love doing deals,
the art of negotiation, okay,
like it's you know when you'rein the business.
As long as I've been in it,like a lot of the GMs now are
guys that I grew up in thebusiness with, right.
So they were like regionalscouts or area scouts like 20
years ago and now they're GMsand it's actually really really
cool, right.
So we've all like progressedtogether.
(01:01:10):
So like I'm havingconversations with you know
these, these guys I'm talkingsmack to them during the games
and whatever like they're nothaving that conversation with
most agents, but like whenyou're always with them like you
know, it kind of pays off Imean, uh, I can.
Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
I can see that you
have a more human reaction with
with the player.
We don't see players as havinghuman reactions.
We're not friends with them, wedon't deal with them.
You have dialogue with theseguys and you become friends with
them and you have more humanreactions.
So, man, I would love to talkshit to some of those dudes and
just be like I'm just jokingdude.
Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
No, I mean, I'm
literally making bets with them
during the game.
Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
I bet you're going to
drop that ball.
Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
You know, just like
little things Like I got I'll
never forget I got the Giants GMto sit on a love sack for
Justin Pugh.
You know, as a small inner gamebet that we made against each
other and he lost and he had totake a picture on this love sack
couch and got over a millionviews Do you have like a thing
with love sack, I do.
Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
I have a deal.
Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Yes, yes, I lovesack,
I do.
I have a deal.
Yes, yes, I literally.
So justin pew, one of myclients on the giants when he
came off the couch and in themiddle of the season so week
four I think it was um ends upor week five ends up, coming in
and playing, and he was sittingon a lovesack when I called him
about.
You know, uh, coming back andplaying for the giants.
(01:02:31):
So I did a deal with lovesackbut, like during the, during the
game, when they do theirannouncements they usually say
what team they're coming from.
He said straight off the couchand we had actually talked about
that before.
So during the game it goes thatthat clip goes viral.
So I called this guy, jamie,who owns a company called
breaking teas.
Him and I went to high schooltogether and I said look, can we
(01:02:51):
do a t-shirt for?
That says straight off thecouch and we had, by the time
the game was over we hadt-shirts made, a website design
and we're selling t-shirtsbefore the game even ended.
Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
That's because of the
straight straight off the couch
.
Do you have a love sack?
Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
I'm getting two of
them all right?
Yeah, I'm gonna have two sacks,are you oh?
Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
man, are you getting
the one with the speakers?
Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
oh, so that's the
stealth technology.
It's actually amazing.
Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
I'm dying to try this
out.
We're going to.
Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Well, if you want to
get one.
Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
I know people Well.
Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
We may have to talk
about that If I get 30% off,
you'll get 20% off and I'll make10% fake.
Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
Take me out to dinner
afterwards.
At the end of the day, asnake's a snake.
Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
So I don't know what
you would want to say about this
.
I just know that you havesomething big coming down the
pipe and I know that you weretalking about Lovesac kind of
being involved or whatever.
What is it you got coming downthe pipe?
So look.
Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
I've always felt the
pressure as an agent to make
sure that you take care of yourclients beyond football, and
most agents not to speak foreverybody, but most you know
they move on to the next guythat's paying them money, and I
feel like you just have thisduty to help the guys.
So I've created a programthat's going to be it's called
the comeback and we've got, um,uh, a number of people involved.
(01:04:14):
We've got Nick Cannon is goingto be involved from Wild N' Out
and America's Got Talent.
We also have three majorcompanies, broadcasting
companies that are bidding on itand, honestly, it could be
hopefully the next thing that'sgoing to change a lot of lives
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for players, not just in the NFL, but all sports, um, in that
transition to life afterfootball.
Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
So you know what we
talked about this a little bit.
Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
Is this a program?
I'm sorry, is it a show.
Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
I created it.
Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
It's a show I created
about six months ago.
Awesome, it's going to beamazing, dude, because you're
right, Like there's a lot ofgoodness that's going to come
out of it.
So I was thinking about it,Like after we had had dinner the
other night, because you weretelling me a little bit more
about the idea and where thiscould go, with not just football
(01:05:08):
, but baseball, basketball, youname it and I was thinking.
I was like, man, it would bepretty badass if they did this
with some veterans, man Guysthat are homeless on the street.
You know what I mean.
Like holy shit, is thatpowerful?
Like that is just badass.
And then getting you know someof these professional, you know,
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like NFL, NBA, whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Well, Jake Lazor does
that.
Are you familiar with thatprogram that he?
Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
does.
Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
No, yeah.
So he has a program where heguys that have you know, just
traumatic brain injuries andthings coming out of war, right,
and he matches them withretired athletes.
Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Well now?
So no, no, I do.
I do know.
Yeah, I'm well familiar withthat Yep, and that's awesome.
I do, I do know.
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Yeah, I'm well familiar withthat Yep, and that's awesome.
But what I'm talking about isis like there are so many, you
know, finding them help and thengetting them back on their feet
with the same style that you'retalking about.
You know what I mean.
Like I think that's huge andyou know, our sports players
deserve this because they puttheir bodies through hell.
People throw them to the trashwhen they're used up, and it's
bullshit, because you know what.
They did their job, they didtheir job.
Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
So I think that it
you know what you're doing is
going to have mainstream appeal.
What you're doing is like Imean, this is a pitch to Fox
nation, that is a Pete yeah.
Fox nation.
I mean like so what I would sayis and you decide with Guy what
part of this you want to keepon the show, what you want to
edit out.
Yeah, yeah yeah, I would takewhat you're doing and you can
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almost create a comeback licensemodel.
There's a whole, there's awhole, nother thing.
Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
So, but there's,
there's a mentor program, Yep.
So where we can do it for theaverage person, that's not.
You know we all need to comeback Right.
You know people go through upsand downs in life.
You get knocked down.
What's the most important thingGet back up.
And I tell my kids all the time,like life is not going to go
like this.
Life's going to be up and downand my my youngest, is wants to
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be an actor and I'm like you'regoing to fail.
99%'t speak well enough, youdon't do that.
Like all they're gonna do isgive you negative feedback and
you better have thick skinbecause, yeah, hollywood is you
know, hollywood eats you up.
Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
Yeah, believe in
yourself don't let somebody else
define who you are.
You believe in yourself.
Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
You keep going after
who's that nba player played for
the cabs lebron james, no who's?
That I mean no, no, so Ihaven't heard of him.
Lebron, actually he needs tocome back too.
Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
You're talking about
the guy that's on the street
down in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
He was in DC for a
while.
Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
LeBron actually tried
helping him West Delonte.
Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
West.
It's like man, holy shit man.
Like that dude, I rememberwatching him.
I remember watching him andit's like man, that guy's
awesome.
And then now he's on the streetand he doesn't want to get off
the street.
Speaker 4 (01:08:19):
That's a mental
health issue.
Yeah, it's mental health 100%.
Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
But mental health can
be helped.
You know it can be helped.
That's what I mean withveterans.
A lot of it's mental health youknow, Well, they're seeing
things that, look, the normalperson doesn't see in life.
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Right, you come back from thewar and you know, yeah, yeah,
but I mean like with uh devantewest, um, like what kind of what
happened in his life?
Like how can, how can someonehelp reconstruct his life to get
him back out there?
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
well, it's probably
one of those things where he
needs to be on the rightmedication, I mean I don don't
want to speak to something thatI don't know about right, but
like.
I mean, I've seen, I've hadplayers before where it's like,
you know they have to take theirADHD medication or they have to
take, you know, theirdepression medicine or whatever.
Like, hey, just because you'refast and athletic doesn't mean
you're not human and havingnormal issues that you know the
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average american might mighthave.
So my thing is, hey, let's fixit, let's find a way to find
that solution, give everybody acomeback, set something like
they're that mentor dude peoplesee it and you know what I'm
gonna.
Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
I'm gonna follow it.
I like, honestly, dude, I am, Iam 100 like that when you told
us that idea.
Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Like I, I felt like
I'm I'm.
Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
I think that it's not
just a money maker, it's the
goodness of it.
There's a goodness thing thatit's really going to help people
, um, and I'd like to talk withyou.
Talk you more about this stuffas you develop it more.
I know there's a lot of stuffyou can't talk about now, um,
but with that we're going tohave to end this segment.
Um, we would love to have youback here and talk again.
Man, I know you're right downthe road, but I know you're also
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really busy, so the invite'sthere whenever you want.
We could do this, and next timewe'll have a little bit more
fun.
We'll have some more booze.
There's never enough booze,never enough booze.
No, but this has been fun.
Dude, thank you for coming over.
Like I said, we'd like tocontinue this in another episode
(01:10:19):
.
Oh man.
Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Yes, it's badass.
A million stories and you know,and we got a lot of booze.
We got a lot of booze.
Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
And you know what?
I have a lot of like fiveterabit hard drives.
Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
We can.