When the cleats are finally hung up, what becomes of a gridiron gladiator grappling with the aftermath of concussions? Jordan Reed, an NFL titan turned advocate, joins us alongside Brant McCartney, a man who transformed personal tragedy into the proactive 38 Challenge initiative. Their stories, carved from a profound sense of purpose, resonate throughout our conversation – a candid exploration into the complex world of mental illness and traumatic brain injuries, offering solace and support to those in similar battles.
Facing the invisible opponent of chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) head-on, we strip away the misconceptions surrounding traumatic brain injuries. It's a sobering reality check that even one concussion can significantly impact one's life, a risk doubled with the threat of suicide looming in the aftermath. Through anecdotes and respect, we illuminate the sacrifice of athletes and military personnel who encounter such risks, underscoring the importance of education and a cultural shift in understanding and managing TBIs.
As we thread the path of continuous improvement and mutual respect, Jordan and Brant highlight the parallel between military precision and life's serendipitous connections. Melding the philosophy of personal growth with community uplift, our exchange elevates the conversation to one of deeper understanding and shared narratives. And while we take a brief pause, the promise of diving deeper into the treatments that have shaped their lives persists, ready to be unfurled in the continuation of our discussion. Stay with us for a journey that's as insightful as it is essential.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
All right, we are back here with not the press
podcast, and I have two veryawesome guests tonight.
Before I introduce them, though, I just want to say that their
cause is something that's closeto my heart and it's something
that, um, I think is one of thebest causes out there, because
(00:26):
there's not a lot of hope,there's not a whole lot of
people out there that dosomething about something.
What they do is a bitch andthey do nothing about it, and
they complain.
And, uh, these two guys aredoing something about it.
They're not bitching, um,they're out there trying to help
people.
Um, so I'm going to so I'mgoing to introduce the guests
(00:47):
here.
We've got Jordan Reed, formerNFL player, but you know what?
He was a great football player,played for Florida.
He was an arch nemesis of OhioState, I can tell you that, but
he was one of the greats, andthat's not the greatest thing
he's done, though.
The greatest thing he's done iswhat he's doing right now.
(01:09):
And his partner here, brantMcCartney.
He is also doing somethingamazing.
He's building up a nonprofit.
That is something that isdriving people to get better,
and it's not just talk, it'saction, it's 100% action, and
(01:32):
they're going to talk a littlebit about what you know, who
they are, where they come from.
In the first segment secondsegment we're going to get into
what their cause is and it'sgonna be pretty amazing.
So, without further ado, jordan, we'll go over to you, man, if
you give a little briefintroduction to yourself a
little bit, and we'll go fromthere.
We'll go around the table.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Thanks a lot for that intro guy, I appreciate that
man.
Yeah, man, yeah.
So Jordan Reed from New Britain, connecticut, played football
at London High School inConnecticut and was a
quarterback back in the day, andthen, back in high school, got
(02:15):
to play well enough in highschool, got a scholarship to the
University of Florida andhalfway through my career there
switched to tight end.
I felt like I had a better shotgetting to the league and
having a longer, prolongedcareer at tight end, so made
that transition and got draftedto the Washington Redskins in
the third round of the 2012-2013draft.
And you know.
(02:37):
I had a solid career man.
I played well early on, brokesome records, set some franchise
records set some NFL recordsMade.
A Pro Bowl during that time wassponsored by Air Jordan.
At one point was the highestpaid NFL tight end.
So you know, I accomplished alot of my goals, a lot of my
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dreams that I set for myself asan NFL player.
But the goal that I didn'tachieve was getting to that
decade.
I wanted to get 10 years in theleague.
I got eight years but I had tocut it short due to concussions.
Man, I would have kept playingthrough any other injury that I
faced.
I bounced back, I rehabbed andtried to get back, but it was
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concussions that you know.
I got three daughters.
So I had to think about thefuture and my future and how I
was going to be as a father.
So I made a choice to shut itdown, man, and ever since you
know, it's been a journey, it'sbeen a challenge you know new
identity, trying to figure thatout.
(03:44):
you know, looking at you knowwhat my new passion will be and
you know, I found it.
I found it and it's.
It's for me, it's turninglemons into lemonade man, that's
right.
Man With these concussions, I'mtrying to find solutions to
help myself and help otherpeople out there, and that's
where this guy comes into play.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I was just going to say you know.
Moving over to your partner incrime, brad, you know.
First you know, talk aboutwhere you come from, what your
background is, but then go intohow you guys met.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah, absolutely, man .
Yeah, well, first and foremost,Guy and your lovely wife, thank
you all so much for having usinto your home and taking care
of us.
We were talking to Jordan onthe way here.
I was like, man, I'm kind ofhungry.
He's like you said he's goingto have some food.
I was like, all right, yeah,I'll probably have some snacks,
but we walked into some ribeyesand some strips, man.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
So we just appreciate the hospitality.
That's all the minks.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, you know what lovely minxis here.
Minx, will you say hello,please?
I need the sexy voice too.
Don't give me the bullshit.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Good evening oh, okay , all right, that was okay, I'm
sorry, you get about seven um,thank you for that, minx.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I thought I don't know.
I'd love to hear the 10.
I don't make it better thanthat, but um yeah, man.
So I, uh, originally from stlouis, missouri, um, midwest kid
, played sports my whole life,unfortunately, unfortunately,
unfortunately.
I had an injury to my knee thathad me look at the best college
I could get into, got intoTexas Christian University,
studied business and technologythere and sales, so it was kind
(05:16):
of, you know, tailoring myeducation towards that.
My junior year, unfortunately,I lost my brother to suicide.
So Matt, my brother, he playedfootball at the Naval Academy
we're the number 38 thereStarted in the Marine Corps for
eight years doing heavyartillery and some special
operations work.
And man, after we lost him, wasjust kind of, you know, rudely
(05:37):
introduced to this whole worldof mental illness and TBI and
just this brutal epidemic thatwe're in man.
So after that I I founded anorganization called the 38
challenge, right, so everyone'sfamiliar with the Murph
challenge.
It's a.
It's a similar brutal workout,but the meaning behind the
workout is really what makes itright.
So so long as you areintentionally putting yourself
(06:00):
in an uncomfortable situationand leaning on others while
suffering, for you choose howyou use the number 38 in it,
you're doing the 38 challengecorrectly, um and and and the
goal of the organization is tois to challenge the stigma
associated with being vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
And can you, can you do me a huge favor?
Uh, because when you said theMurph challenge, that is a uh,
that is a trigger for me.
And it's a trigger because Isee a lot of people they're out
there doing the Murph Challengeand they don't even know who
Murph is and what he did.
(06:35):
And I see a lot of gyms puttingout, oh, we're doing the Murph
Challenge, and it's likemotherfuckers, why don't you
talk about Murph before you doit?
Why don't you talk about whatthis is for?
Why don't you say that you knowthis was his workout, this is
the team that he lost on thisday, whatever, blah, blah, blah.
And you know what If you don'talready do it?
(06:58):
because you know Minx and I weretalking about doing a 38
challenge at the gym.
If you don't already havesomething, dude, I would love,
before we do the 38 challenge onSundays is talk about what it
is and talk about your brotherand why we're doing it.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, absolutely, man, andthat's you know.
We run large scale workoutevents, right, and the purpose
is to get everyone around eachother, building that community
and camaraderie through sweat,right, and something hard Right,
something that's challengingand everyone's there knowing
that they're about to whatthey're about to do is hard
Right, but we have.
We have babies crawling for 38minutes and we have people in
(07:39):
wheelchairs just just justgetting after it.
So, and the reason they do thatis because they know what
they're doing and why they'redoing it and who they're doing
it for Our motto is 38 minutes.
We suffer so they don't have to.
It's us suffering collectivelyand leaning on other people so
that others don't have to gothrough what my brother did.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
It's not just a fad.
That's what happened with theMurph Challenge.
It became a fad.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
It's like man and, and what they've built is is
amazing, right, and, and, and.
Michael murphy will liveforever because of that, but so
many people just do it becausethey're a crossfitter and
they're trying to get a a better.
They don't even know his firstname.
Yeah, yeah, exactly, you knowwhat I mean, and it's like now
you gotta do it for the rightreasons.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
There you know, um at at our gym.
Um, so jordan and I go to thesame gym, right?
Uh, they were doing the MurphChallenge and everybody at our
gym.
I love them, man.
They're really good people,great people.
But I refused to do it becausewhen I asked, well, do you know
who Murph is?
And somebody didn't know.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, and I was like I'm not doing it, I cannot do it
, and it was a workout made forthat exact reason to honor him.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, it was a workout made for that exact
reason to honor him.
Yeah, um, yeah, man, yep, yep,and I, man, I'll tell you what.
Uh, oh, you know what?
Is he coming in here?
We got a special guest, Anthony.
Come in here, buddy, Say hello.
What's up man?
What's up man, how you leavenow there's going to be working
(09:14):
on that speed.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
So so you know now, when did you guys meet and how
did you guys meet?
Yeah, so so at the, at the timethat I founded the 38 challenge
, you know took a, took a job ata.
You know, I took a tech salesjob at a school Awesome, awesome
opportunity.
But I knew that was not goingto fulfill my soul.
Um, you know, I knew that thatgot at other plans for me.
So I was I.
I ran the military programs fora group called the concussion
legacy foundation greatorganization raising awareness
(09:37):
and research for um, cte andTBIs.
So I learned a lot about.
I learned a lot about the spaceright about the space right.
But my passion, although theresearch is very much necessary,
the awareness, is there.
From my, from my standpoint,I'm I wanted to start providing
solutions for people.
Now there's four stages of CTE.
(09:58):
A lot of people don't know that.
That second stage is usuallybetween the age of 18 and 34,
and that's when you have a lotof the issues associated with
mental illness.
That's also the statisticlineup where that's where the
suicide rate is the highest inthe military.
So it all starts to make sense.
After one concussion, yourchance of suicide doubles.
And I was putting all thesepieces of the puzzle together
(10:19):
and I was like, okay, how do we,how do we help guys and gals
now with the solution?
So but in the industry, man,there's, there's a lot of snake
oil, there's a lot of smoke andmirrors.
So it was really kind ofsifting through what's actually
helping people and what's not.
So, not so.
Then we created the BrainOptimization Lab, which is a
separate organization thatreally tackles the issue, which
(10:40):
I know we'll get into a littlebit later.
So that's kind of my backgroundand how I knew, right,
obviously.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
And Jordan's your partner with Brain Optimization
Lab Exactly yes, that gets intohow we met man.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So we were both at an event in Washington DC.
It was a Warrior Rising event,which is a veteran entrepreneur
organization started by JasonVanCamp Awesome, awesome people.
But, um, man, I saw, I saw JayReed standing over there.
I didn't, you know, um, afterthe conversation I realized who
he was, but in the moment he wasjust a dude.
You know, um, a big ass dude.
Um said, said in the corner,but, um, you know, I know, I
(11:22):
went up to him.
I was, I was like, hey, man,what's going on?
Got to hear a story and youknow, I could just, I could just
kind of tell in his eyes thathe was dealing with something.
And the reason I could tellthat is because I've seen those
same same eyes my brother, I'veseen those same eyes in myself
and I could just relate.
So then, um, I kind of askedJay what was going on.
I guess you can kind of take it, take it from man.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, man, he came up to me, we talked, you know,
could tell that I was goingthrough stuff, and you know he
was like, well, this is what I'mworking on.
You know, this is my story.
He told me a little bit abouthis past and what he dealt with
and he was just like man, whydon't you come out to Dallas and
(11:55):
go through some of theprotocols that I've been working
on?
And I was all right At the time, man, I was desperate, you know
I needed, you know I needed, Iwas, I was in a bad way, so I
was willing to do whatever ittook to, you know, relieve
myself and try to try to helpmyself.
So I went out there and I wentthrough the modalities.
(12:16):
So I went out there and I wentthrough the modalities, I went
through his protocol and I feltsome relief for the first time
since I retired, man, which wasa miracle to me.
Man, I thought that you knowwhat they say about CTE is, you
know, there's no hope and it'sjust going to keep on getting
worse over time, jordan, you hita key thing thing.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Okay, um, you said cte.
Yeah, now I can tell you um,you know, with a, my background
military and and you know thingsof that nature.
We, we don't hear of cte.
Yeah, we hear tbi.
They're different yeah they'redifferent um can you?
Can you talk a little bit aboutwhat CTE is?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
It's degenerative brain disease, man.
They say that it's….
Speaker 1 (13:04):
And that's from like multiple….
I can help to field this.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, so Concussion Legacy Foundation.
There's a lot of resources thatthey have too.
So I got introduced by some ofthe top minds in the world and
people that are doing really,really awesome work at CLF.
But so what it's?
Cte means chronic traumaticencephalopathy, right, so it's
in the same class ofdegenerative brain diseases as
like Alzheimer's and dementia,right?
(13:30):
But CTE it has a.
It has a different pathology,meaning that it looks different
in the brain, and we know howit's caused.
It's caused by repetitivesubconcussive trauma, right.
So so, and how is thatdifferent from a TBI or
traumatic brain injury?
A TBI is a concussion.
A lot of people in the militarydon't even know that, right?
Because when you think of TBI inthe military.
I've talked to a bunch ofspecial operators.
(13:50):
They're like I never had a TBI.
I was like, okay, unlikely, um,I was like what'd you do?
They're like, well, I was abreacher and I was like I was
like dude, you have so many TBIs.
But in the military it's likeyou have to step on an IED or
you have to get blown up in aHummer right and then you get
that diagnosis from the VA orfrom the DOD.
That's a TBI.
(14:10):
Any concussion is a form oftraumatic brain injury.
Right, it's a scale likeanything.
It goes from mild to severe.
But man, after one concussion,one concussion your chance of
suicide doubles after one.
So then imagine someone likeJay Reed with 12, or someone
that he knows of.
And then imagine someone likesome of these special operators
or war fighters who havemultiple, multiple undiagnosed.
(14:32):
So you have the TBI aspect ofit.
And then there's this otherwhole separate problem that
obviously they play together.
But there's this whole separateproblem of subconcussive trauma
which leads to down the road,later in life, chronic traumatic
encephalopathy andencephalopathy.
It's been three years, I stillcan't pronounce it, but it
cannot be diagnosed until afterdeath, postmortem.
(14:53):
Yeah, it cannot be diagnosed.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, and I've read and watched some documentaries
on.
Uh, it started with a.
There was a, an old, uhPittsburgh Steeler.
Uh, he went.
I can't remember what his nameis and shame on me for not doing
the background on this, but um,he, he ended up killing
somebody or something like thatand then he committed suicide
and they looked at his brain andhis, his brain was like doctors
(15:20):
were like what the hellhappened here and and then that
was like, I think, in the 80s orsomething like that, and that
that trend kept on happening,with a lot of different nfl
players and stuff, um, where itwas just like, oh my god.
And I gotta tell you, man,because, um, anthony and I were
watching, um, somebody, some ofjordan's highlights yesterday
(15:43):
and there was just one, I thinkyou were playing, uh, dallas,
and you were running a crossroute, you caught the ball and
the dude hit you right under thechin.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, I remember that hit.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I can imagine I told Anthony that I was like.
I guarantee you that was yearsago.
I guarantee you Jordanremembers that exact hit right
there.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, for sure, that was Thanksgiving 2018.
It was third down.
I think it was third and sixand you were pissed.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You didn't get the call.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, we were down absolutely, we were down by 10 I
think at the time and um it wasthe fourth quarter.
Colt mccoy was a quarterback atthe time.
He I had a little stop route.
It was it was late in the gameso I ran a kind of lazy route
and woods came in and rocked meright in my face.
I was mad that I didn't get thecall because it was clear, and I
(16:43):
was more mad that it wassupposed to be a first down and
we were supposed to be able toscore a touchdown in that drive.
Yeah, but with all theattention focus on hits to the
head that year to not get thatcall, man.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Dude, when I saw that watching the highlights with
Anthony last night I was likeholy shit, and I think it was
the NFC Championship withChristian McCafferty this year
it might have been the SuperBowl where he like bounced off
of his head and skipped theground Like I don't know how he
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doesn't have a concussion fromthat.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Sometimes, I mean that guy, might he, might he,
just keep playing through it.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
And that's the thing, and Jordan, I talk about this a
lot Like we're not.
We love the game of football,right and and concussions are
and will always be a part of thegame and also you all know that
and also for everyone knows,and also for warfighters, like
you will die for the person tothe right and left of you, Right
.
So it's like if there'ssomething going on, you're not
going to raise your hand and belike no, like you're going to
fight through it.
So for us it's like knowingthat that's going to happen,
(17:49):
right Obviously we're nottelling players dangerous, but
knowing that that happens rightand and loving the game and
knowing what warfighters do forour country and understanding
that they will literally losetheir life for us, right.
How do we support them?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
as athletes, as warriors.
Yeah, exactly, man, and youknow what, uh, you, you, you
brought up something I wanted tosay in the introduction.
Um, what I wanted to say wasyou know, you guys are, are, um,
both warriors in your own waybecause of you know you guys are
, are, um, both warriors in yourown way because of you know
what you've been through andwhat you're doing now.
(18:24):
You know what I mean.
Like that, and that's that isawesome.
Like more people need to dothis shit.
Man, I need to talk about thisstuff.
They need to not expose.
There's nothing to expose.
It's educate, it's educate.
Look, man, if this is going on.
Um, you have a support system,you have a support system.
You have someone that wants tobe there for you to help you
through this, and I'm glad youguys are doing it.
(18:47):
Man, it's, it's, it's justawesome.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, I think you know that's a that can be a call
to action, right, like people Ithink a lot of people don't
consider themselves, um, youknow, patriotic or warriors or
whatever.
I remember I remember, uh, when, when Matt died, I had a mentor
he's a seal, um and I was likeI'm going to join the seals, and
he was like, and I had also, healso just helped me come up
with the 38 challenge, um, andhe goes.
(19:09):
Let me ask you a question.
He goes why do you want to dothat?
I said I want to, I want todefend, I want to do what Matt
would have done.
He goes I think you're gonnahelp more people through the
nonprofit or through becominganother Navy SEAL.
And at that, that kind ofchanged my perspective on what
service meant and there'sdifferent ways to do it, man,
100% man, 100% dude and just.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I mean you guys have done it all before with other
nonprofits and other things thatyou guys have supported, Um,
but it takes a lot to go out andget up in front of people and
talk about stuff like this youknow what I mean.
That in itself is admirable.
You guys put yourself out there.
(19:51):
You guys both say, look, thisis what I've been through.
And you lay it all out and yousay this is how I can help you.
And that's awesome, man.
Not a lot of people do that.
Man, there's a very smallpercentage of people that do
that.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
We were just having a conversation earlier with a guy
.
He's a current player, but hewas showing a lot of strength
and vulnerability and tellinghis story and we just kind of
had this conversation about howempathy and vulnerability are
superpowers.
Right, because without Jordanand myself and yourself sharing
our stories, then someonedoesn't have hope.
(20:30):
Right, and there's no one thatthat person can relate to.
Right, Because everyone puts ontheir best facade and you see
all these things on social mediabut it's not real life man and
it's not someone.
It's hard to gain trust thatway.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
No, man, I mean.
The thing is this is wishfulthinking.
Let's just say somebody watchesthis podcast episode right here
.
It reaches one person, one andit tells them there's hope for
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me, and they survived because ofwhat you guys are talking about
.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
It's all worth it, man 100% One person man.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
If I can ask Jordan a question, if you don't, mind.
So, coming into the wholevulnerability thing, how has
that been for you?
Like sharing your story.
How does that make you?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
At first it was hard, man, to admit that you're
dealing with stuff.
And then you hear all the thepast stories about NFL players
and you know, you know murderingpeople and things like that.
You don't want, you don't wantto come off like you're crazy
you know I mean.
So you know it was tough atfirst but you know I know that
(21:42):
why I'm doing it.
I'm trying to, I'm trying tospread the word, I'm trying to
help other people, you know,feel comfortable because I know
when I talk about my symptomsand I talk about what I'm going
through to people that careabout me, you know, usually they
help me out.
You know that usually thatallows me to, you know, get it
off my chest and not hold it in,and just, you know know I feel
(22:04):
like I got some support there.
So it's been great.
Man, once I got past that youknow fear of what people would
think about me, you know I foundthat it's been really helpful
for me.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And that's what the, that's what vulnerability is man
.
And you know, imagine, if youdidn't show that honestly the
first time we met, we wouldn'tbe here together.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
On this podcast.
And it's like oh it's like youbrought up something just now.
We wouldn't be together here onthis podcast.
And, Jordan, I got to tell yousomething about you, man, that
night that we met at that event.
It was like a quarterback'sclub or something like that.
You were standing over therethat night that we met at that
(22:42):
event it was like aquarterback's club or something
like that.
You know you were standing overthere.
I remember bringing Anthonyover to you and say, hey man,
this is my boy, anthony, and youshook his hand and you know we
went our separate ways and I wasstanding over at the bar and
you know, for some reason, youcame over, you came back over
and talked and I, first of all,I want to say I appreciate that
(23:06):
and, second of all, I think thatyou know things happen for a
reason, absolutely.
You know what I mean and, um, Ithink you know some people are
just drawn to, drawn to people.
You know what I mean, becauseit's a shared message, or you
just have that feeling, dude,and I can tell you, man, like
(23:27):
you know, I knew your backgroundbefore I talked to you that
night and normally I would benervous talking to someone like
you, right, but I can tell youright now, I wasn't nervous
because you made me feelcomfortable talking.
You know what I mean and, andyou know that that's a lot, that
that, uh, I don't know, I don't, I don't really have words to
(23:50):
articulate.
Uh, you know what it is I'mtrying to say about that.
Um, I guess it.
You know the the long wayaround to saying that is it's
man.
You know, your, uh, yourpassion with this.
You didn't even tell me any ofthis stuff that night.
Yeah, you didn't tell me any ofthis stuff last that night, um,
but but I felt there was a,there was something, there was
(24:14):
some kind of story that, like Ifelt, uh, uh, you know something
drawn about whatever energy.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah man.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, that's why I went over there, that's why.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
That's why I went over.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I felt the same thing for me, bro, I'm always.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I'm always um looking to learn.
I'm always looking to learn Um.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
I see you in the gym, I see how you carry yourself
and, um, you know, I see how youhold yourself.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Nah, man, this guy's a beast and and he holds himself
like a gentleman man.
So I felt like I could you knowthe way you approached me with
your family, with your son, yeah, it was humble.
I appreciate that manDefinitely look up to what you
did, man big time.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
So anytime I feel like I could learn from somebody
and grow that's definitely thepeople I want to be around, dude
, and life's all about learning,dude, everything you do, you
know that.
Um, in uh, so I was a radiorecon guy right in marsauk and
um, there's something that I Icarry with me and carrie knows
(25:18):
exactly, or the minx knows what,exactly what I'm going to say,
because I bring it up all thetime people, when you, when you
go out on a recon patrol and youget in your site and you're
observing, you're conductingreconnaissance, um, site
improvement is continuous andthat is a life lesson and I
(25:41):
carry that with everything youdo in life.
Sight improvement is continuous, no matter what.
You have to continue to bebetter in everything you do and
everything you build andeverything.
Sight improvement is continuousand I have that ingrained in my
(26:02):
.
She's sick of me telling thestory, but in the field, what is
?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
that?
What does that mean in thefield, like it's like like uh,
you know, you're um how did inthe like improvement of sight,
like what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
well, so, so like so, when, when, uh, when, you're in
an then it was called an orp um, you're observing the enemy,
right, you've got eyes on in ourcase we, you know, eyes on and
ears on, um, you still, youdon't.
You don't stop there.
Okay, yep, you're good, you'resecure.
You're good, you're secure,you're not compromised.
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No one knows you're there, butyou know what I'm, I'm looking,
okay, oh, I can put anotherstick right here so no one sees
me from there.
Or I can be like you know what?
We need to move three feet tothe right because this Bush is
better here.
You know what I mean.
Site improvement is continuous,dude, got it.
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Or security.
You know, like dude, last nightwe weren't covering this whole
area over here with security.
We need to fucking cover that.
So site improvement iscontinuous gotcha, always and
everything in life, absolutelylife, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah, I was uh just admiring the both of you, right,
and both of your crafts, right.
You're you're both the mostelite at what you did in the
world, Right.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
And I won't claim that, but I walked among some
people that were yeah, well,yeah, as as professionals right,
like that.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
That attention to detail right.
Always looking 1% better.
Right, I mean, as professionalsright, like that attention to
detail, right.
Always looking 1% better.
Right, I mean, jordan hasenough money right, he could
certainly walk up, walk aroundand not try to learn from people
and think that you know shitdoesn't stink and you know, be
focused on being Jordan Reed,the football player, and
everyone else should bow down tome.
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But no, he's constantly lookingat what are ways that I can get
better and, as you justmentioned, you have that same
mentality.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Dude, 100%.
I'm a big believer in that man.
And in the second segment,we're going to go into this
because I have some questionsabout some stuff that we talked
about the other day Some of thetreatment stuff you guys were
talking about and we'll go intothat.
Some of the treatment stuff youguys were talking about, and
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we'll go into that.
This is actually a perfectsegue into the next segment.
Man, that was a good segmentand I appreciate you guys
opening up who you are.
Let's continue that in thesecond segment.
Man, we'll take a little bit ofa break.
Get some water, get anotherdrink if you want.
I'm not allowed to have anotherdrink.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
The Minx is shutting it down.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Damn it, minx.
You didn't even give me a sexyhello.
I'm getting another drink.
All right, let's go.
We'll reconvene back here intwo minutes.
Boom, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
That was good man, Good stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
That's good.
That was good.
I actually had a.
All right, we are back here with not the press
podcast, and I have two veryawesome guests tonight.
Before I introduce them, though, I just want to say that their
cause is something that's closeto my heart and it's something
that, um, I think is one of thebest causes out there, because
(00:26):
there's not a lot of hope,there's not a whole lot of
people out there that dosomething about something.
What they do is a bitch andthey do nothing about it, and
they complain.
And, uh, these two guys aredoing something about it.
They're not bitching, um,they're out there trying to help
people.
Um, so I'm going to so I'mgoing to introduce the guests
(00:47):
here.
We've got Jordan Reed, formerNFL player, but you know what?
He was a great football player,played for Florida.
He was an arch nemesis of OhioState, I can tell you that, but
he was one of the greats, andthat's not the greatest thing
he's done, though.
The greatest thing he's done iswhat he's doing right now.
(01:09):
And his partner here, brantMcCartney.
He is also doing somethingamazing.
He's building up a nonprofit.
That is something that isdriving people to get better,
and it's not just talk, it'saction, it's 100% action, and
(01:32):
they're going to talk a littlebit about what you know, who
they are, where they come from.
In the first segment secondsegment we're going to get into
what their cause is and it'sgonna be pretty amazing.
So, without further ado, jordan, we'll go over to you, man, if
you give a little briefintroduction to yourself a
little bit, and we'll go fromthere.
We'll go around the table.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Thanks a lot for that intro guy, I appreciate that
man.
Yeah, man, yeah.
So Jordan Reed from New Britain, connecticut, played football
at London High School inConnecticut and was a
quarterback back in the day, andthen, back in high school, got
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to play well enough in highschool, got a scholarship to the
University of Florida andhalfway through my career there
switched to tight end.
I felt like I had a better shotgetting to the league and
having a longer, prolongedcareer at tight end, so made
that transition and got draftedto the Washington Redskins in
the third round of the 2012-2013draft.
And you know.
(02:37):
I had a solid career man.
I played well early on, brokesome records, set some franchise
records set some NFL recordsMade.
A Pro Bowl during that time wassponsored by Air Jordan.
At one point was the highestpaid NFL tight end.
So you know, I accomplished alot of my goals, a lot of my
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dreams that I set for myself asan NFL player.
But the goal that I didn'tachieve was getting to that
decade.
I wanted to get 10 years in theleague.
I got eight years but I had tocut it short due to concussions.
Man, I would have kept playingthrough any other injury that I
faced.
I bounced back, I rehabbed andtried to get back, but it was
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concussions that you know.
I got three daughters.
So I had to think about thefuture and my future and how I
was going to be as a father.
So I made a choice to shut itdown, man, and ever since you
know, it's been a journey, it'sbeen a challenge you know new
identity, trying to figure thatout.
(03:44):
you know, looking at you knowwhat my new passion will be and
you know, I found it.
I found it and it's.
It's for me, it's turninglemons into lemonade man, that's
right.
Man With these concussions, I'mtrying to find solutions to
help myself and help otherpeople out there, and that's
where this guy comes into play.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I was just going to say you know.
Moving over to your partner incrime, brad, you know.
First you know, talk aboutwhere you come from, what your
background is, but then go intohow you guys met.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah, absolutely, man .
Yeah, well, first and foremost,Guy and your lovely wife, thank
you all so much for having usinto your home and taking care
of us.
We were talking to Jordan onthe way here.
I was like, man, I'm kind ofhungry.
He's like you said he's goingto have some food.
I was like, all right, yeah,I'll probably have some snacks,
but we walked into some ribeyesand some strips, man.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
So we just appreciate the hospitality.
That's all the minks.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, you know what lovely minxis here.
Minx, will you say hello,please?
I need the sexy voice too.
Don't give me the bullshit.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Good evening oh, okay , all right, that was okay, I'm
sorry, you get about seven um,thank you for that, minx.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I thought I don't know.
I'd love to hear the 10.
I don't make it better thanthat, but um yeah, man.
So I, uh, originally from stlouis, missouri, um, midwest kid
, played sports my whole life,unfortunately, unfortunately,
unfortunately.
I had an injury to my knee thathad me look at the best college
I could get into, got intoTexas Christian University,
studied business and technologythere and sales, so it was kind
(05:16):
of, you know, tailoring myeducation towards that.
My junior year, unfortunately,I lost my brother to suicide.
So Matt, my brother, he playedfootball at the Naval Academy
we're the number 38 thereStarted in the Marine Corps for
eight years doing heavyartillery and some special
operations work.
And man, after we lost him, wasjust kind of, you know, rudely
(05:37):
introduced to this whole worldof mental illness and TBI and
just this brutal epidemic thatwe're in man.
So after that I I founded anorganization called the 38
challenge, right, so everyone'sfamiliar with the Murph
challenge.
It's a.
It's a similar brutal workout,but the meaning behind the
workout is really what makes itright.
So so long as you areintentionally putting yourself
(06:00):
in an uncomfortable situationand leaning on others while
suffering, for you choose howyou use the number 38 in it,
you're doing the 38 challengecorrectly, um and and and the
goal of the organization is tois to challenge the stigma
associated with being vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
And can you, can you do me a huge favor?
Uh, because when you said theMurph challenge, that is a uh,
that is a trigger for me.
And it's a trigger because Isee a lot of people they're out
there doing the Murph Challengeand they don't even know who
Murph is and what he did.
(06:35):
And I see a lot of gyms puttingout, oh, we're doing the Murph
Challenge, and it's likemotherfuckers, why don't you
talk about Murph before you doit?
Why don't you talk about whatthis is for?
Why don't you say that you knowthis was his workout, this is
the team that he lost on thisday, whatever, blah, blah, blah.
And you know what If you don'talready do it?
(06:58):
because you know Minx and I weretalking about doing a 38
challenge at the gym.
If you don't already havesomething, dude, I would love,
before we do the 38 challenge onSundays is talk about what it
is and talk about your brotherand why we're doing it.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, absolutely, man, andthat's you know.
We run large scale workoutevents, right, and the purpose
is to get everyone around eachother, building that community
and camaraderie through sweat,right, and something hard Right,
something that's challengingand everyone's there knowing
that they're about to whatthey're about to do is hard
Right, but we have.
We have babies crawling for 38minutes and we have people in
(07:39):
wheelchairs just just justgetting after it.
So, and the reason they do thatis because they know what
they're doing and why they'redoing it and who they're doing
it for Our motto is 38 minutes.
We suffer so they don't have to.
It's us suffering collectivelyand leaning on other people so
that others don't have to gothrough what my brother did.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
It's not just a fad.
That's what happened with theMurph Challenge.
It became a fad.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
It's like man and, and what they've built is is
amazing, right, and, and, and.
Michael murphy will liveforever because of that, but so
many people just do it becausethey're a crossfitter and
they're trying to get a a better.
They don't even know his firstname.
Yeah, yeah, exactly, you knowwhat I mean, and it's like now
you gotta do it for the rightreasons.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
There you know, um at at our gym.
Um, so jordan and I go to thesame gym, right?
Uh, they were doing the MurphChallenge and everybody at our
gym.
I love them, man.
They're really good people,great people.
But I refused to do it becausewhen I asked, well, do you know
who Murph is?
And somebody didn't know.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, and I was like I'm not doing it, I cannot do it
, and it was a workout made forthat exact reason to honor him.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, it was a workout made for that exact
reason to honor him.
Yeah, um, yeah, man, yep, yep,and I, man, I'll tell you what.
Uh, oh, you know what?
Is he coming in here?
We got a special guest, Anthony.
Come in here, buddy, Say hello.
What's up man?
What's up man, how you leavenow there's going to be working
(09:14):
on that speed.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
So so you know now, when did you guys meet and how
did you guys meet?
Yeah, so so at the, at the timethat I founded the 38 challenge
, you know took a, took a job ata.
You know, I took a tech salesjob at a school Awesome, awesome
opportunity.
But I knew that was not goingto fulfill my soul.
Um, you know, I knew that thatgot at other plans for me.
So I was I.
I ran the military programs fora group called the concussion
legacy foundation greatorganization raising awareness
(09:37):
and research for um, cte andTBIs.
So I learned a lot about.
I learned a lot about the spaceright about the space right.
But my passion, although theresearch is very much necessary,
the awareness, is there.
From my, from my standpoint,I'm I wanted to start providing
solutions for people.
Now there's four stages of CTE.
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A lot of people don't know that.
That second stage is usuallybetween the age of 18 and 34,
and that's when you have a lotof the issues associated with
mental illness.
That's also the statisticlineup where that's where the
suicide rate is the highest inthe military.
So it all starts to make sense.
After one concussion, yourchance of suicide doubles.
And I was putting all thesepieces of the puzzle together
(10:19):
and I was like, okay, how do we,how do we help guys and gals
now with the solution?
So but in the industry, man,there's, there's a lot of snake
oil, there's a lot of smoke andmirrors.
So it was really kind ofsifting through what's actually
helping people and what's not.
So, not so.
Then we created the BrainOptimization Lab, which is a
separate organization thatreally tackles the issue, which
(10:40):
I know we'll get into a littlebit later.
So that's kind of my backgroundand how I knew, right,
obviously.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
And Jordan's your partner with Brain Optimization
Lab Exactly yes, that gets intohow we met man.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So we were both at an event in Washington DC.
It was a Warrior Rising event,which is a veteran entrepreneur
organization started by JasonVanCamp Awesome, awesome people.
But, um, man, I saw, I saw JayReed standing over there.
I didn't, you know, um, afterthe conversation I realized who
he was, but in the moment he wasjust a dude.
You know, um, a big ass dude.
Um said, said in the corner,but, um, you know, I know, I
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went up to him.
I was, I was like, hey, man,what's going on?
Got to hear a story and youknow, I could just, I could just
kind of tell in his eyes thathe was dealing with something.
And the reason I could tellthat is because I've seen those
same same eyes my brother, I'veseen those same eyes in myself
and I could just relate.
So then, um, I kind of askedJay what was going on.
I guess you can kind of take it, take it from man.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, man, he came up to me, we talked, you know,
could tell that I was goingthrough stuff, and you know he
was like, well, this is what I'mworking on.
You know, this is my story.
He told me a little bit abouthis past and what he dealt with
and he was just like man, whydon't you come out to Dallas and
(11:55):
go through some of theprotocols that I've been working
on?
And I was all right At the time, man, I was desperate, you know
I needed, you know I needed, Iwas, I was in a bad way, so I
was willing to do whatever ittook to, you know, relieve
myself and try to try to helpmyself.
So I went out there and I wentthrough the modalities.
(12:16):
So I went out there and I wentthrough the modalities, I went
through his protocol and I feltsome relief for the first time
since I retired, man, which wasa miracle to me.
Man, I thought that you knowwhat they say about CTE is, you
know, there's no hope and it'sjust going to keep on getting
worse over time, jordan, you hita key thing thing.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Okay, um, you said cte.
Yeah, now I can tell you um,you know, with a, my background
military and and you know thingsof that nature.
We, we don't hear of cte.
Yeah, we hear tbi.
They're different yeah they'redifferent um can you?
Can you talk a little bit aboutwhat CTE is?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
It's degenerative brain disease, man.
They say that it's….
Speaker 1 (13:04):
And that's from like multiple….
I can help to field this.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, so Concussion Legacy Foundation.
There's a lot of resources thatthey have too.
So I got introduced by some ofthe top minds in the world and
people that are doing really,really awesome work at CLF.
But so what it's?
Cte means chronic traumaticencephalopathy, right, so it's
in the same class ofdegenerative brain diseases as
like Alzheimer's and dementia,right?
(13:30):
But CTE it has a.
It has a different pathology,meaning that it looks different
in the brain, and we know howit's caused.
It's caused by repetitivesubconcussive trauma, right.
So so, and how is thatdifferent from a TBI or
traumatic brain injury?
A TBI is a concussion.
A lot of people in the militarydon't even know that, right?
Because when you think of TBI inthe military.
I've talked to a bunch ofspecial operators.
(13:50):
They're like I never had a TBI.
I was like, okay, unlikely, um,I was like what'd you do?
They're like, well, I was abreacher and I was like I was
like dude, you have so many TBIs.
But in the military it's likeyou have to step on an IED or
you have to get blown up in aHummer right and then you get
that diagnosis from the VA orfrom the DOD.
That's a TBI.
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Any concussion is a form oftraumatic brain injury.
Right, it's a scale likeanything.
It goes from mild to severe.
But man, after one concussion,one concussion your chance of
suicide doubles after one.
So then imagine someone likeJay Reed with 12, or someone
that he knows of.
And then imagine someone likesome of these special operators
or war fighters who havemultiple, multiple undiagnosed.
(14:32):
So you have the TBI aspect ofit.
And then there's this otherwhole separate problem that
obviously they play together.
But there's this whole separateproblem of subconcussive trauma
which leads to down the road,later in life, chronic traumatic
encephalopathy andencephalopathy.
It's been three years, I stillcan't pronounce it, but it
cannot be diagnosed until afterdeath, postmortem.
(14:53):
Yeah, it cannot be diagnosed.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, and I've read and watched some documentaries
on.
Uh, it started with a.
There was a, an old, uhPittsburgh Steeler.
Uh, he went.
I can't remember what his nameis and shame on me for not doing
the background on this, but um,he, he ended up killing
somebody or something like thatand then he committed suicide
and they looked at his brain andhis, his brain was like doctors
(15:20):
were like what the hellhappened here and and then that
was like, I think, in the 80s orsomething like that, and that
that trend kept on happening,with a lot of different nfl
players and stuff, um, where itwas just like, oh my god.
And I gotta tell you, man,because, um, anthony and I were
watching, um, somebody, some ofjordan's highlights yesterday
(15:43):
and there was just one, I thinkyou were playing, uh, dallas,
and you were running a crossroute, you caught the ball and
the dude hit you right under thechin.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, I remember that hit.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I can imagine I told Anthony that I was like.
I guarantee you that was yearsago.
I guarantee you Jordanremembers that exact hit right
there.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, for sure, that was Thanksgiving 2018.
It was third down.
I think it was third and sixand you were pissed.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
You didn't get the call.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, we were down absolutely, we were down by 10 I
think at the time and um it wasthe fourth quarter.
Colt mccoy was a quarterback atthe time.
He I had a little stop route.
It was it was late in the gameso I ran a kind of lazy route
and woods came in and rocked meright in my face.
I was mad that I didn't get thecall because it was clear, and I
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was more mad that it wassupposed to be a first down and
we were supposed to be able toscore a touchdown in that drive.
Yeah, but with all theattention focus on hits to the
head that year to not get thatcall, man.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Dude, when I saw that watching the highlights with
Anthony last night I was likeholy shit, and I think it was
the NFC Championship withChristian McCafferty this year
it might have been the SuperBowl where he like bounced off
of his head and skipped theground Like I don't know how he
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doesn't have a concussion fromthat.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Sometimes, I mean that guy, might he, might he,
just keep playing through it.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
And that's the thing, and Jordan, I talk about this a
lot Like we're not.
We love the game of football,right and and concussions are
and will always be a part of thegame and also you all know that
and also for everyone knows,and also for warfighters, like
you will die for the person tothe right and left of you, Right
.
So it's like if there'ssomething going on, you're not
going to raise your hand and belike no, like you're going to
fight through it.
So for us it's like knowingthat that's going to happen,
(17:49):
right Obviously we're nottelling players dangerous, but
knowing that that happens rightand and loving the game and
knowing what warfighters do forour country and understanding
that they will literally losetheir life for us, right.
How do we support them?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
as athletes, as warriors.
Yeah, exactly, man, and youknow what, uh, you, you, you
brought up something I wanted tosay in the introduction.
Um, what I wanted to say wasyou know, you guys are, are, um,
both warriors in your own waybecause of you know you guys are
, are, um, both warriors in yourown way because of you know
what you've been through andwhat you're doing now.
(18:24):
You know what I mean.
Like that, and that's that isawesome.
Like more people need to dothis shit.
Man, I need to talk about thisstuff.
They need to not expose.
There's nothing to expose.
It's educate, it's educate.
Look, man, if this is going on.
Um, you have a support system,you have a support system.
You have someone that wants tobe there for you to help you
through this, and I'm glad youguys are doing it.
(18:47):
Man, it's, it's, it's justawesome.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, I think you know that's a that can be a call
to action, right, like people Ithink a lot of people don't
consider themselves, um, youknow, patriotic or warriors or
whatever.
I remember I remember, uh, when, when Matt died, I had a mentor
he's a seal, um and I was likeI'm going to join the seals, and
he was like, and I had also, healso just helped me come up
with the 38 challenge, um, andhe goes.
(19:09):
Let me ask you a question.
He goes why do you want to dothat?
I said I want to, I want todefend, I want to do what Matt
would have done.
He goes I think you're gonnahelp more people through the
nonprofit or through becominganother Navy SEAL.
And at that, that kind ofchanged my perspective on what
service meant and there'sdifferent ways to do it, man,
100% man, 100% dude and just.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I mean you guys have done it all before with other
nonprofits and other things thatyou guys have supported, Um,
but it takes a lot to go out andget up in front of people and
talk about stuff like this youknow what I mean.
That in itself is admirable.
You guys put yourself out there.
(19:51):
You guys both say, look, thisis what I've been through.
And you lay it all out and yousay this is how I can help you.
And that's awesome, man.
Not a lot of people do that.
Man, there's a very smallpercentage of people that do
that.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
We were just having a conversation earlier with a guy
.
He's a current player, but hewas showing a lot of strength
and vulnerability and tellinghis story and we just kind of
had this conversation about howempathy and vulnerability are
superpowers.
Right, because without Jordanand myself and yourself sharing
our stories, then someonedoesn't have hope.
(20:30):
Right, and there's no one thatthat person can relate to.
Right, Because everyone puts ontheir best facade and you see
all these things on social mediabut it's not real life man and
it's not someone.
It's hard to gain trust thatway.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
No, man, I mean.
The thing is this is wishfulthinking.
Let's just say somebody watchesthis podcast episode right here
.
It reaches one person, one andit tells them there's hope for
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me, and they survived because ofwhat you guys are talking about
.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
It's all worth it, man 100% One person man.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
If I can ask Jordan a question, if you don't, mind.
So, coming into the wholevulnerability thing, how has
that been for you?
Like sharing your story.
How does that make you?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
At first it was hard, man, to admit that you're
dealing with stuff.
And then you hear all the thepast stories about NFL players
and you know, you know murderingpeople and things like that.
You don't want, you don't wantto come off like you're crazy
you know I mean.
So you know it was tough atfirst but you know I know that
(21:42):
why I'm doing it.
I'm trying to, I'm trying tospread the word, I'm trying to
help other people, you know,feel comfortable because I know
when I talk about my symptomsand I talk about what I'm going
through to people that careabout me, you know, usually they
help me out.
You know that usually thatallows me to, you know, get it
off my chest and not hold it in,and just, you know know I feel
(22:04):
like I got some support there.
So it's been great.
Man, once I got past that youknow fear of what people would
think about me, you know I foundthat it's been really helpful
for me.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And that's what the, that's what vulnerability is man
.
And you know, imagine, if youdidn't show that honestly the
first time we met, we wouldn'tbe here together.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
On this podcast.
And it's like oh it's like youbrought up something just now.
We wouldn't be together here onthis podcast.
And, Jordan, I got to tell yousomething about you, man, that
night that we met at that event.
It was like a quarterback'sclub or something like that.
You were standing over therethat night that we met at that
(22:42):
event it was like aquarterback's club or something
like that.
You know you were standing overthere.
I remember bringing Anthonyover to you and say, hey man,
this is my boy, anthony, and youshook his hand and you know we
went our separate ways and I wasstanding over at the bar and
you know, for some reason, youcame over, you came back over
and talked and I, first of all,I want to say I appreciate that
(23:06):
and, second of all, I think thatyou know things happen for a
reason, absolutely.
You know what I mean and, um, Ithink you know some people are
just drawn to, drawn to people.
You know what I mean, becauseit's a shared message, or you
just have that feeling, dude,and I can tell you, man, like
(23:27):
you know, I knew your backgroundbefore I talked to you that
night and normally I would benervous talking to someone like
you, right, but I can tell youright now, I wasn't nervous
because you made me feelcomfortable talking.
You know what I mean and, andyou know that that's a lot, that
that, uh, I don't know, I don't, I don't really have words to
(23:50):
articulate.
Uh, you know what it is I'mtrying to say about that.
Um, I guess it.
You know the the long wayaround to saying that is it's
man.
You know, your, uh, yourpassion with this.
You didn't even tell me any ofthis stuff that night.
Yeah, you didn't tell me any ofthis stuff last that night, um,
but but I felt there was a,there was something, there was
(24:14):
some kind of story that, like Ifelt, uh, uh, you know something
drawn about whatever energy.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah man.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, that's why I went over there, that's why.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
That's why I went over.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
I felt the same thing for me, bro, I'm always.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I'm always um looking to learn.
I'm always looking to learn Um.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
I see you in the gym, I see how you carry yourself
and, um, you know, I see how youhold yourself.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Nah, man, this guy's a beast and and he holds himself
like a gentleman man.
So I felt like I could you knowthe way you approached me with
your family, with your son, yeah, it was humble.
I appreciate that manDefinitely look up to what you
did, man big time.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
So anytime I feel like I could learn from somebody
and grow that's definitely thepeople I want to be around, dude
, and life's all about learning,dude, everything you do, you
know that.
Um, in uh, so I was a radiorecon guy right in marsauk and
um, there's something that I Icarry with me and carrie knows
(25:18):
exactly, or the minx knows what,exactly what I'm going to say,
because I bring it up all thetime people, when you, when you
go out on a recon patrol and youget in your site and you're
observing, you're conductingreconnaissance, um, site
improvement is continuous andthat is a life lesson and I
(25:41):
carry that with everything youdo in life.
Sight improvement is continuous, no matter what.
You have to continue to bebetter in everything you do and
everything you build andeverything.
Sight improvement is continuousand I have that ingrained in my
(26:02):
.
She's sick of me telling thestory, but in the field, what is
?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
that?
What does that mean in thefield, like it's like like uh,
you know, you're um how did inthe like improvement of sight,
like what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
well, so, so like so, when, when, uh, when, you're in
an then it was called an orp um, you're observing the enemy,
right, you've got eyes on in ourcase we, you know, eyes on and
ears on, um, you still, youdon't.
You don't stop there.
Okay, yep, you're good, you'resecure.
You're good, you're secure,you're not compromised.
(26:40):
No one knows you're there, butyou know what I'm, I'm looking,
okay, oh, I can put anotherstick right here so no one sees
me from there.
Or I can be like you know what?
We need to move three feet tothe right because this Bush is
better here.
You know what I mean.
Site improvement is continuous,dude, got it.
(27:02):
Or security.
You know, like dude, last nightwe weren't covering this whole
area over here with security.
We need to fucking cover that.
So site improvement iscontinuous gotcha, always and
everything in life, absolutelylife, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah, I was uh just admiring the both of you, right,
and both of your crafts, right.
You're you're both the mostelite at what you did in the
world, Right.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
And I won't claim that, but I walked among some
people that were yeah, well,yeah, as as professionals right,
like that.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
That attention to detail right.
Always looking 1% better.
Right, I mean, as professionalsright, like that attention to
detail, right.
Always looking 1% better.
Right, I mean, jordan hasenough money right, he could
certainly walk up, walk aroundand not try to learn from people
and think that you know shitdoesn't stink and you know, be
focused on being Jordan Reed,the football player, and
everyone else should bow down tome.
(28:00):
But no, he's constantly lookingat what are ways that I can get
better and, as you justmentioned, you have that same
mentality.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Dude, 100%.
I'm a big believer in that man.
And in the second segment,we're going to go into this
because I have some questionsabout some stuff that we talked
about the other day Some of thetreatment stuff you guys were
talking about and we'll go intothat.
Some of the treatment stuff youguys were talking about, and
(28:28):
we'll go into that.
This is actually a perfectsegue into the next segment.
Man, that was a good segmentand I appreciate you guys
opening up who you are.
Let's continue that in thesecond segment.
Man, we'll take a little bit ofa break.
Get some water, get anotherdrink if you want.
I'm not allowed to have anotherdrink.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
The Minx is shutting it down.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Damn it, minx.
You didn't even give me a sexyhello.
I'm getting another drink.
All right, let's go.
We'll reconvene back here intwo minutes.
Boom, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
That was good man, Good stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
That's good.
That was good.
I actually had a.
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