November 27, 2024 • 16 mins
What happens when an ordinary couple encounters the extraordinary? Join us as we unravel the captivating tale of Betty and Barney Hill, whose mysterious encounter with a UFO in 1961 continues to fuel intrigue and speculation. As they navigated their way home through the dark roads of New Hampshire, the Hills witnessed an enigmatic, disc-shaped craft hovering above them, an experience that defies explanation even today. With the help of Dr. Benjamin Simon, a respected psychiatrist, Betty and Barney began to piece together their fragmented memories of that night, uncovering repressed recollections of time aboard the mysterious craft and the bewildering "missing time" they experienced.
This episode delves into the broader cultural context of the 1960s, a time when the world was gripped by the Cold War and the race to explore outer space. We invite you to explore the relationship between these historical elements and the burgeoning interest in UFOs. Through discussions on influential works like "Interrupted Journey" and "Captured," and the impactful documentary "The UFO Incident," we invite you to engage with the Hills' story with an open mind, balancing wonder with skepticism. This discussion is a reminder to empathize with those who encounter the unexplainable, as their stories often carry profound personal significance, regardless of their perceived credibility.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back everybody to another deep dive,
and today we're going to betaking a look at a really
fascinating case.
Yeah, it's one of the landmarkcases in UFology.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
The abduction of Betty and Benny M Hill back in
1961.
It's one of the first, yeah,and we've got a really great
article here, lots of details,and I'm really excited to dig
into this with you.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Me too.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
This will be fun so we're going to unpack, like all
the details about theirexperience.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
You know what kind of evidence they presented and
what was the lasting impact.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
The lasting impact on their lives yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah, so get ready, because this one's a little out
of this world.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
It is and it, you know it really shaped how we
think about alien abduction eventoday.
You know, they didn't just seesomething, they had this
prolonged experience that theytried to understand.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
And they weren't, like you know, UFO enthusiasts
or anything like that.
They were just a regular couple.
Right, just ordinary peoplefrom Portsmouth, New Hampshire.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Betty was a social worker and Barney was a postal
worker.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
He was also a civil rights activist.
Oh yeah, a prominent civilrights activist in Portsmouth.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
So they weren't out there seeking fame or anything.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
No, not at all.
They were respected members oftheir community.
It really adds to theircredibility, I think.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, for sure, for sure.
Well, 1961.
Right, you know.
Cold War, anxieties, space race, space race.
Everybody's thinking about UFOsanyway.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
UFOs are in the zeitgeist Right, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
So it's kind of a perfect storm for this kind of a
story, yeah, and so they'redriving back from a vacation to
Niagara Falls.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, they had a nice trip to Niagara Falls and they
were driving back through theWhite Mountains.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Taking the scenic route.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Beautiful area.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, and it's nighttime, it's dark, it's quiet
.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
It's a dark, quiet night.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
And all of a sudden they see this strange object.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
They see this light.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
In the sky and they're like what is that?
And it's not just like a quickglimpse.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Right, it's not just a shooting star.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, they described it as this large metallic
disc-shaped object, Huge With arow of windows.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
A row of windows.
Think about that.
A row of windows.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, it's not like a plane or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
And it's moving in ways that airplanes can't move,
you know.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, erratic and strange.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Strange eerie movements yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
And at one point it hovers right above their car.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Right over the car.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Barney gets his binoculars out.
Oh really To try to get abetter look at it Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So I gotta ask what does he see?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
He described beings that he said were not human not
human large wraparound eyes,grayish skin and these thin slit
like mouths.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Oh, wow.
So that's kind of where we getthat classic alien image from.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
That's.
That's kind of the prototyperight there.
That becomes the standard.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
But they didn't just, like you know, sit there and
watch.
They were terrified.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Tried to get away, but then they experienced this
thing called missing time.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Missing time.
Yeah, it's like a period oftime that they can't account for
.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
So they just don't remember those hours.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
It's not even that they don't remember, it's like
it's just gone, you know oh wow.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Like a gap in their perception of time, do they make
it home Somehow?
But it doesn't end there, right?
It's not just a bad dream.
They start having nightmares,anxiety, this unsettling feeling
that something really weirdhappened to them.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Trauma.
You know they're experiencingreal trauma.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
So they don't go the UFO route right away.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
No, they're not like oh, we must have been abducted
by aliens.
Right, they went to apsychiatrist.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
A very well-respected psychiatrist, a guy named Dr
Benjamin Simon, who was knownfor treating trauma, especially
in veterans.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Okay, so he was like the real deal.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Not just some quack.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
No, no, this guy was a real expert.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So what did he do?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, he decided to use hypnosis.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
It was becoming increasingly popular at the time
for accessing repressedmemories.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Oh interesting.
And how reliable is that?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Well, that's a matter of debate, isn't it?
Some people think it's veryreliable, Other people are more
skeptical.
You?
Know, I mean, I'm not sure whatI think about it.
You know, it can be a powerfultool, but you got to be careful
with it For sure.
But anyway, Dr Simon usedhypnosis on the hills.
And Anyway, Dr Simon usedhypnosis on the hills.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
And what happened.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Well, that's where things get really crazy.
Betty described being takenaboard the craft and subjected
to all these medicalexaminations.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And she's very specific in her description.
It's not just a vague feeling.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
So like real details.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Oh yeah, she talked about specific procedures,
things.
She saw instruments they use,you know.
Wow, it's pretty amazing.
She talked about specificprocedures, things.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
She saw instruments.
They used.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Wow, it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
And what about Barney ?
What did he remember?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
His memories were more fragmented, more about the
fear.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
But he was definitely terrified.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
So we've got this regular couple a terrifying
experience and now we've gotthis element of medical
examinations and missing time.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
But it goes beyond just what they said right,
Because they also had physicalevidence.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Oh yeah, this is where it gets really interesting
, right.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, physical evidence.
This is where it gets good.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
This is what makes it hard to just dismiss their
story.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Exactly.
So what kind of evidence are wetalking about?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well, for example, betty's dress wasn't just torn,
there were these perfectcircular holes in it Circular
holes.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
What could do that?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Exactly.
It's not like something snaggedit, you know.
It's like something was cut outvery precisely, wow.
And then there were Barney'sbinoculars.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
The ones he used to look at the UFO.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, the ones he used to look at the UFO.
They were damaged too.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
What was wrong with them?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Concentric circles etched into the lenses, almost
like a burn mark, a burn mark Aburn mark, but how?
That's the question.
What could cause that?
And there's more.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Oh, there's more.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Barney had these reddish marks on his body too,
really, also in a circularpattern.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
What is it with all these circles?
I?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
don't know, but it's creepy, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, and there's more.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, they took soil samples From where?
From the spot where they hadstopped the car yeah and the
soil was different from thesurrounding area different how
its composition was differentyou know like it had different
minerals or something so it'slike something happened there
something happened there thatchanged the soil that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Okay, so we've got the holes in the dress, the
binoculars, the marks onbarney's body, the weird soil,
what else?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
oh, and get this.
Compassasses went haywire atthat location.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Like they were spinning around, yeah spinning
wildly, it took totally erratic.
That's some kind ofelectromagnetic field or
something.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Could be some kind of electromagnetic disturbance.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
That's wild.
Okay, so we've got thisseemingly ordinary couple, this
terrifying encounter Right, allthis physical evidence that
can't be easily explained away.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, this is starting to sound like a real
X-Files episode.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It really is.
So who started?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
looking into their claims, well, their case caught
the attention of NICAP.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
NICAP.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
The National Investigations Committee on
Aerial Phenomena.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Which was one of the leading UFO research groups back
then.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
So not just some fringe group.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
No, no, they were known for being very thorough
and credible.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Okay, so they took the hills seriously.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
They took them very seriously.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, wow, but the hills didn't just sit back and
let other people do theinvestigating, did they?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
No, they were very proactive.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Oh really.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
They did their own research, read books on UFOs,
went to conferences.
You know they were reallytrying to make sense of it all.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
It's like they needed to understand.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Exactly.
They were driven to findanswers.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
So they weren't just passive in this whole thing.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Not at all.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
That's interesting.
And what about the police or,you know, law enforcement?
What do they think?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, they were cautious, of course, right, but
they didn't dismiss the Hillstory outright.
So, they investigated, theycouldn't find a conventional
explanation and in the end theyjust marked the case as
unidentified.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Unidentified.
That's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Isn't it?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
So they were like we don't know what happened.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Pretty much yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
It is.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Well, it sounds like all of this must have had a huge
impact on them.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Oh yeah, this wasn't just some fun adventure, you
know.
Right, oh yeah, this wasn'tjust some fun adventure, you
know.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
This is a traumatic experience that stayed with them
for years.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
It really affected their lives.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
It makes you wonder how anyone could go through
something like that and come outthe same.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I know it's hard to imagine.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
But we'll have to talk about that in part two.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
We will.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
So stay tuned everyone.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And we'll be right back.
Of course, not everyonebelieved their story.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Right, I mean, it does sound pretty wild.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, you got to have some healthy skepticism, right.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
So there were a lot of people who said, well, maybe
they just saw a plane.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Or, you know, maybe they had some kind of shared
hallucination.
Yeah, or like sleep paralysisor something Sleep paralysis is
a good one.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, a lot of people experience that yeah, and then
there's the whole hypnosis thing, right.
How do we know those memoriesare real?
Exactly like could they havebeen implanted somehow?
Yeah, that's always apossibility with hypnosis, right
so there are some holes in thestory there are some holes, yeah
but people who believe thehills, what they say well, they
(08:46):
point to the physical evidence.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Okay, correct the dress.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
The dress, the binoculars.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
The dress, the binoculars, the soil samples,
the compass, anomalies.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
That's hard to explain away.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, it's not like they made that stuff up.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Right, and you said ANICAP took them seriously.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, they did a thorough investigation.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
So it's not like it was just ignored.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
No, not at all.
So it's a real mystery, thenit's a real mystery With
evidence on both sides, whichmakes it even more interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
It really does?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
It keeps you thinking .
Speaker 1 (09:13):
It does so, even if we don't know for sure if they
were abducted or not.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Their story has had a huge impact.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Oh yeah, Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Like it's changed how we think about alien abductions
.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
It's become the model Become the model, the model.
Yeah, like all these otherabduction stories that came
after.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Right, they all have those same elements.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Missing time medical exam strange beings.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
It's like the Hills experience hit the stage.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
It did in a way, yeah .
Speaker 1 (09:38):
And that image of the aliens with the big eyes.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Oh yeah, those big black eyes, the gray skin.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
That's become the classic alien.
Look, that's it right there.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
It's amazing how one story can have such a lasting
impact.
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
And it's not just about the abduction itself,
right.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
It's become part of our culture.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Like that movie, the UFO Incident.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Oh yeah, I remember that one.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
From back in the 70s.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Classic.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
And all the books and documentaries, tons of them.
It's like the Hill story iseverywhere.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
It's woven into the fabric of our culture.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
And people are still talking about it today.
Oh yeah, Conferences,documentaries.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
New research even.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
It's like this case just won't go away.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
It's a mystery that keeps calling to us.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
It does.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I think it's because it touches on something deep
within us.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Well, this fear of the unknown, this feeling that
we're not alone, Like there'ssomething bigger out there.
Something we don't understand.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
The hills.
They were just regular people.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Right, just like you and me.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
And they got caught up in this incredible event.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
It could happen to anyone.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
That's a scary thought.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
It is a little bit, yeah, but it's also exciting.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Exciting how.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Well, it means that anything is possible.
Exciting how Well it means thatanything is possible.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, I guess that's true.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
The universe is a vast and mysterious place.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
We're just beginning to scratch the surface of what's
out there.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
So do you think something really happened to the
hills?
I don't know.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I'm not sure I go back and forth, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
There's evidence to support both sides.
I guess that's what makes it sofascinating.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
It does.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It's a puzzle we may never solve.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
But we can keep trying.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Well, this has been a great deep dive.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I've enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Me too.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It's always fun to explore these mysteries.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
It is.
So what should people do ifthey want to learn more?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Well, the article mentions some great books.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Oh yeah, what are they called?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Interrupted Journey is a classic.
Interrupted Journey is aclassic, okay, and there's a
newer one called Captured, theBetty and Barney Hill UFO
experience.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Captured.
Okay, have to check that oneout.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, it's supposed to be really good.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
And what about websites or anything like that?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, there are some good websites out there.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Like what.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Well, there's the National UFO Reporting Center.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
And MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
MUFON.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Okay, they have tons of information on their website.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
So if you're interested in UFOs, those are
good places to start.
Cool, yeah Well, thanks forjoining us for this deep dive
everyone.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
And keep looking up.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
You never know what you might see.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
You know, it's amazing to me that a story from
like over 60 years ago, you know, can still get people talking
and thinking.
Yeah, it's pretty remarkable,but even if we you know put
aside like the whole abductionquestion, Right.
There's still a lot we canlearn from their experience,
right.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Oh, absolutely.
There's a lot to unpack there.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
So like what stands out to you, so like what stands
out to you.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well, one thing is you know how important it is to
just listen to people, even whentheir story sounds crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Right, like don't just dismiss them.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Exactly.
Give them the benefit of thedoubt.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Because they were obviously going through
something, they were strugglingRight and they deserve to be
heard at least.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Absolutely Everyone deserves to be heard.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
So it's really about empathy.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Trying to understand what someone's going through.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Especially when they're dealing with something
that's like totally outside ournormal experience.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Right Like how do you even begin to process something
like that?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
It's got to be tough.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And then there's the whole trauma aspect, right, like
even if they weren't abducted,they were still clearly
traumatized by whatever happened.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
The nightmares, the anxiety, the missing time.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, that's got to be a sign of something.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
It's like their minds were trying to protect them
from something too horrible toremember.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
So yeah, trauma is a big part of this story it is,
and it reminds us that traumacan be really complex.
Oh yeah, definitely, it's notalways clear cut and it can
manifest in all sorts of ways.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Right, so sometimes the best thing we can do is just
listen.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
And offer support.
Exactly Just be there forpeople.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
You know.
Another thing that strikes meabout this case is how it
reflects the times, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Oh yeah, Like the Cold War.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
The Cold War, the space race.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Everybody was afraid of communists and aliens.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Right.
It was a time of great anxietyand uncertainty.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
And also like a sense of wonder.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, true.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Like anything was possible.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Technology was advancing so rapidly.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Right, we were going to the moon.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Sending satellites into space.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
So it makes sense that people were fascinated by
UFOs.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Absolutely.
It was like this perfect stormof cultural influences that made
people more open to the idea ofextraterrestrial life.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
And the Hill story fit right into that narrative.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Rufically.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
With the advanced technology.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
The mysterious being.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
The unexplained phenomena.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
It was like a modern myth.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
A myth for the space age.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
So what can we take away from all of this?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Well, I think the big lesson is to keep an open mind.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
About what.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
About everything you know.
Yeah, the universe is full ofmysteries.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
And we don't have all the answers.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Not even close.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
So we should be open to new ideas and new
possibilities, but also beskeptical.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Of course we can't just believe everything we hear.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Right, we need to think critically.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Unvaluate the evidence.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
And do our own research.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
It's about finding that balance.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Between wonder and skepticism.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Curiosity and critical thinking.
That's the key, because what wethink is impossible today might
be proven true tomorrow.
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
The universe is constantly surprising us.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
It is.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
So we got to be ready for anything.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Well said, well said.
It's been a fascinatingdiscussion it has.
I've really enjoyed this deepdive, me too.
It's given me a lot to thinkabout.
That's what it's all about.
So what should people do ifthey want to learn more?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Well, the article mentions some great resources.
Oh yeah, like the bookInterrupted Journey, that's a
classic, it is.
And there are some gooddocumentaries out there too,
Like what.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
The UFO Incident is a good one, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
The movie yeah, and there's a more recent one called
Unexplained, the Betty andBarney Hill abduction.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Okay, cool, I'll have to check those out.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And of course, there are tons of websites and online
forums.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Right where people are still discussing the case.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, it's a never-ending conversation.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Well, that's great.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
So if you're interested, there's plenty more
to explore.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, keep digging.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Keep asking questions .
Speaker 1 (15:41):
And keep an open mind .
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Because who knows what's out there?
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Because who knows what's out there?
Yeah, maybe someday we'll havethe answers to all these
mysteries.
Maybe, but until then we keepsearching.
We keep searching.
Well, this has been anothergreat deep dive.
Thanks for joining us everyone.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
And until next time, keep looking up.
Welcome back everybody to another deep dive,
and today we're going to betaking a look at a really
fascinating case.
Yeah, it's one of the landmarkcases in UFology.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
The abduction of Betty and Benny M Hill back in
1961.
It's one of the first, yeah,and we've got a really great
article here, lots of details,and I'm really excited to dig
into this with you.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Me too.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
This will be fun so we're going to unpack, like all
the details about theirexperience.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
You know what kind of evidence they presented and
what was the lasting impact.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
The lasting impact on their lives yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah, so get ready, because this one's a little out
of this world.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
It is and it, you know it really shaped how we
think about alien abduction eventoday.
You know, they didn't just seesomething, they had this
prolonged experience that theytried to understand.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
And they weren't, like you know, UFO enthusiasts
or anything like that.
They were just a regular couple.
Right, just ordinary peoplefrom Portsmouth, New Hampshire.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Betty was a social worker and Barney was a postal
worker.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
He was also a civil rights activist.
Oh yeah, a prominent civilrights activist in Portsmouth.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
So they weren't out there seeking fame or anything.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
No, not at all.
They were respected members oftheir community.
It really adds to theircredibility, I think.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, for sure, for sure.
Well, 1961.
Right, you know.
Cold War, anxieties, space race, space race.
Everybody's thinking about UFOsanyway.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
UFOs are in the zeitgeist Right, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
So it's kind of a perfect storm for this kind of a
story, yeah, and so they'redriving back from a vacation to
Niagara Falls.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, they had a nice trip to Niagara Falls and they
were driving back through theWhite Mountains.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Taking the scenic route.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Beautiful area.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, and it's nighttime, it's dark, it's quiet
.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
It's a dark, quiet night.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
And all of a sudden they see this strange object.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
They see this light.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
In the sky and they're like what is that?
And it's not just like a quickglimpse.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Right, it's not just a shooting star.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, they described it as this large metallic
disc-shaped object, Huge With arow of windows.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
A row of windows.
Think about that.
A row of windows.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, it's not like a plane or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
And it's moving in ways that airplanes can't move,
you know.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, erratic and strange.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Strange eerie movements yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
And at one point it hovers right above their car.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Right over the car.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Barney gets his binoculars out.
Oh really To try to get abetter look at it Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So I gotta ask what does he see?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
He described beings that he said were not human not
human large wraparound eyes,grayish skin and these thin slit
like mouths.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Oh, wow.
So that's kind of where we getthat classic alien image from.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
That's.
That's kind of the prototyperight there.
That becomes the standard.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
But they didn't just, like you know, sit there and
watch.
They were terrified.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Tried to get away, but then they experienced this
thing called missing time.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Missing time.
Yeah, it's like a period oftime that they can't account for
.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
So they just don't remember those hours.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
It's not even that they don't remember, it's like
it's just gone, you know oh wow.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Like a gap in their perception of time, do they make
it home Somehow?
But it doesn't end there, right?
It's not just a bad dream.
They start having nightmares,anxiety, this unsettling feeling
that something really weirdhappened to them.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Trauma.
You know they're experiencingreal trauma.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
So they don't go the UFO route right away.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
No, they're not like oh, we must have been abducted
by aliens.
Right, they went to apsychiatrist.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
A very well-respected psychiatrist, a guy named Dr
Benjamin Simon, who was knownfor treating trauma, especially
in veterans.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Okay, so he was like the real deal.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Not just some quack.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
No, no, this guy was a real expert.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So what did he do?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, he decided to use hypnosis.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
It was becoming increasingly popular at the time
for accessing repressedmemories.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Oh interesting.
And how reliable is that?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Well, that's a matter of debate, isn't it?
Some people think it's veryreliable, Other people are more
skeptical.
You?
Know, I mean, I'm not sure whatI think about it.
You know, it can be a powerfultool, but you got to be careful
with it For sure.
But anyway, Dr Simon usedhypnosis on the hills.
And Anyway, Dr Simon usedhypnosis on the hills.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
And what happened.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Well, that's where things get really crazy.
Betty described being takenaboard the craft and subjected
to all these medicalexaminations.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And she's very specific in her description.
It's not just a vague feeling.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
So like real details.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Oh yeah, she talked about specific procedures,
things.
She saw instruments they use,you know.
Wow, it's pretty amazing.
She talked about specificprocedures, things.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
She saw instruments.
They used.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Wow, it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
And what about Barney ?
What did he remember?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
His memories were more fragmented, more about the
fear.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
But he was definitely terrified.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
So we've got this regular couple a terrifying
experience and now we've gotthis element of medical
examinations and missing time.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
But it goes beyond just what they said right,
Because they also had physicalevidence.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Oh yeah, this is where it gets really interesting
, right.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, physical evidence.
This is where it gets good.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
This is what makes it hard to just dismiss their
story.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Exactly.
So what kind of evidence are wetalking about?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well, for example, betty's dress wasn't just torn,
there were these perfectcircular holes in it Circular
holes.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
What could do that?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Exactly.
It's not like something snaggedit, you know.
It's like something was cut outvery precisely, wow.
And then there were Barney'sbinoculars.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
The ones he used to look at the UFO.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, the ones he used to look at the UFO.
They were damaged too.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
What was wrong with them?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Concentric circles etched into the lenses, almost
like a burn mark, a burn mark Aburn mark, but how?
That's the question.
What could cause that?
And there's more.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Oh, there's more.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Barney had these reddish marks on his body too,
really, also in a circularpattern.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
What is it with all these circles?
I?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
don't know, but it's creepy, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, and there's more.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, they took soil samples From where?
From the spot where they hadstopped the car yeah and the
soil was different from thesurrounding area different how
its composition was differentyou know like it had different
minerals or something so it'slike something happened there
something happened there thatchanged the soil that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Okay, so we've got the holes in the dress, the
binoculars, the marks onbarney's body, the weird soil,
what else?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
oh, and get this.
Compassasses went haywire atthat location.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Like they were spinning around, yeah spinning
wildly, it took totally erratic.
That's some kind ofelectromagnetic field or
something.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Could be some kind of electromagnetic disturbance.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
That's wild.
Okay, so we've got thisseemingly ordinary couple, this
terrifying encounter Right, allthis physical evidence that
can't be easily explained away.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, this is starting to sound like a real
X-Files episode.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It really is.
So who started?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
looking into their claims, well, their case caught
the attention of NICAP.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
NICAP.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
The National Investigations Committee on
Aerial Phenomena.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Which was one of the leading UFO research groups back
then.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
So not just some fringe group.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
No, no, they were known for being very thorough
and credible.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Okay, so they took the hills seriously.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
They took them very seriously.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, wow, but the hills didn't just sit back and
let other people do theinvestigating, did they?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
No, they were very proactive.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Oh really.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
They did their own research, read books on UFOs,
went to conferences.
You know they were reallytrying to make sense of it all.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
It's like they needed to understand.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Exactly.
They were driven to findanswers.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
So they weren't just passive in this whole thing.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Not at all.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
That's interesting.
And what about the police or,you know, law enforcement?
What do they think?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, they were cautious, of course, right, but
they didn't dismiss the Hillstory outright.
So, they investigated, theycouldn't find a conventional
explanation and in the end theyjust marked the case as
unidentified.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Unidentified.
That's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Isn't it?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
So they were like we don't know what happened.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Pretty much yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
It is.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Well, it sounds like all of this must have had a huge
impact on them.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Oh yeah, this wasn't just some fun adventure, you
know.
Right, oh yeah, this wasn'tjust some fun adventure, you
know.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
This is a traumatic experience that stayed with them
for years.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
It really affected their lives.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
It makes you wonder how anyone could go through
something like that and come outthe same.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I know it's hard to imagine.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
But we'll have to talk about that in part two.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
We will.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
So stay tuned everyone.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And we'll be right back.
Of course, not everyonebelieved their story.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Right, I mean, it does sound pretty wild.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, you got to have some healthy skepticism, right.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
So there were a lot of people who said, well, maybe
they just saw a plane.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Or, you know, maybe they had some kind of shared
hallucination.
Yeah, or like sleep paralysisor something Sleep paralysis is
a good one.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, a lot of people experience that yeah, and then
there's the whole hypnosis thing, right.
How do we know those memoriesare real?
Exactly like could they havebeen implanted somehow?
Yeah, that's always apossibility with hypnosis, right
so there are some holes in thestory there are some holes, yeah
but people who believe thehills, what they say well, they
(08:46):
point to the physical evidence.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Okay, correct the dress.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
The dress, the binoculars.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
The dress, the binoculars, the soil samples,
the compass, anomalies.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
That's hard to explain away.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, it's not like they made that stuff up.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Right, and you said ANICAP took them seriously.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, they did a thorough investigation.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
So it's not like it was just ignored.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
No, not at all.
So it's a real mystery, thenit's a real mystery With
evidence on both sides, whichmakes it even more interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
It really does?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
It keeps you thinking .
Speaker 1 (09:13):
It does so, even if we don't know for sure if they
were abducted or not.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Their story has had a huge impact.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Oh yeah, Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Like it's changed how we think about alien abductions
.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
It's become the model Become the model, the model.
Yeah, like all these otherabduction stories that came
after.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Right, they all have those same elements.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Missing time medical exam strange beings.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
It's like the Hills experience hit the stage.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
It did in a way, yeah .
Speaker 1 (09:38):
And that image of the aliens with the big eyes.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Oh yeah, those big black eyes, the gray skin.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
That's become the classic alien.
Look, that's it right there.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
It's amazing how one story can have such a lasting
impact.
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
And it's not just about the abduction itself,
right.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
It's become part of our culture.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Like that movie, the UFO Incident.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Oh yeah, I remember that one.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
From back in the 70s.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Classic.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
And all the books and documentaries, tons of them.
It's like the Hill story iseverywhere.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
It's woven into the fabric of our culture.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
And people are still talking about it today.
Oh yeah, Conferences,documentaries.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
New research even.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
It's like this case just won't go away.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
It's a mystery that keeps calling to us.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
It does.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I think it's because it touches on something deep
within us.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Well, this fear of the unknown, this feeling that
we're not alone, Like there'ssomething bigger out there.
Something we don't understand.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
The hills.
They were just regular people.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Right, just like you and me.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
And they got caught up in this incredible event.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
It could happen to anyone.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
That's a scary thought.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
It is a little bit, yeah, but it's also exciting.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Exciting how.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Well, it means that anything is possible.
Exciting how Well it means thatanything is possible.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, I guess that's true.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
The universe is a vast and mysterious place.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
We're just beginning to scratch the surface of what's
out there.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
So do you think something really happened to the
hills?
I don't know.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I'm not sure I go back and forth, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
There's evidence to support both sides.
I guess that's what makes it sofascinating.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
It does.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
It's a puzzle we may never solve.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
But we can keep trying.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Well, this has been a great deep dive.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I've enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Me too.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It's always fun to explore these mysteries.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
It is.
So what should people do ifthey want to learn more?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Well, the article mentions some great books.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Oh yeah, what are they called?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Interrupted Journey is a classic.
Interrupted Journey is aclassic, okay, and there's a
newer one called Captured, theBetty and Barney Hill UFO
experience.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Captured.
Okay, have to check that oneout.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, it's supposed to be really good.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
And what about websites or anything like that?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, there are some good websites out there.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Like what.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Well, there's the National UFO Reporting Center.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
And MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
MUFON.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Okay, they have tons of information on their website.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
So if you're interested in UFOs, those are
good places to start.
Cool, yeah Well, thanks forjoining us for this deep dive
everyone.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
And keep looking up.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
You never know what you might see.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
You know, it's amazing to me that a story from
like over 60 years ago, you know, can still get people talking
and thinking.
Yeah, it's pretty remarkable,but even if we you know put
aside like the whole abductionquestion, Right.
There's still a lot we canlearn from their experience,
right.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Oh, absolutely.
There's a lot to unpack there.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
So like what stands out to you, so like what stands
out to you.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well, one thing is you know how important it is to
just listen to people, even whentheir story sounds crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Right, like don't just dismiss them.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Exactly.
Give them the benefit of thedoubt.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Because they were obviously going through
something, they were strugglingRight and they deserve to be
heard at least.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Absolutely Everyone deserves to be heard.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
So it's really about empathy.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Trying to understand what someone's going through.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Especially when they're dealing with something
that's like totally outside ournormal experience.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Right Like how do you even begin to process something
like that?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
It's got to be tough.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And then there's the whole trauma aspect, right, like
even if they weren't abducted,they were still clearly
traumatized by whatever happened.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
The nightmares, the anxiety, the missing time.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, that's got to be a sign of something.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
It's like their minds were trying to protect them
from something too horrible toremember.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
So yeah, trauma is a big part of this story it is,
and it reminds us that traumacan be really complex.
Oh yeah, definitely, it's notalways clear cut and it can
manifest in all sorts of ways.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Right, so sometimes the best thing we can do is just
listen.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
And offer support.
Exactly Just be there forpeople.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
You know.
Another thing that strikes meabout this case is how it
reflects the times, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Oh yeah, Like the Cold War.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
The Cold War, the space race.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Everybody was afraid of communists and aliens.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Right.
It was a time of great anxietyand uncertainty.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
And also like a sense of wonder.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, true.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Like anything was possible.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Technology was advancing so rapidly.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Right, we were going to the moon.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Sending satellites into space.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
So it makes sense that people were fascinated by
UFOs.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Absolutely.
It was like this perfect stormof cultural influences that made
people more open to the idea ofextraterrestrial life.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
And the Hill story fit right into that narrative.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Rufically.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
With the advanced technology.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
The mysterious being.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
The unexplained phenomena.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
It was like a modern myth.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
A myth for the space age.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
So what can we take away from all of this?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Well, I think the big lesson is to keep an open mind.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
About what.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
About everything you know.
Yeah, the universe is full ofmysteries.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
And we don't have all the answers.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Not even close.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
So we should be open to new ideas and new
possibilities, but also beskeptical.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Of course we can't just believe everything we hear.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Right, we need to think critically.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Unvaluate the evidence.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
And do our own research.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
It's about finding that balance.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Between wonder and skepticism.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Curiosity and critical thinking.
That's the key, because what wethink is impossible today might
be proven true tomorrow.
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
The universe is constantly surprising us.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
It is.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
So we got to be ready for anything.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Well said, well said.
It's been a fascinatingdiscussion it has.
I've really enjoyed this deepdive, me too.
It's given me a lot to thinkabout.
That's what it's all about.
So what should people do ifthey want to learn more?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Well, the article mentions some great resources.
Oh yeah, like the bookInterrupted Journey, that's a
classic, it is.
And there are some gooddocumentaries out there too,
Like what.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
The UFO Incident is a good one, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
The movie yeah, and there's a more recent one called
Unexplained, the Betty andBarney Hill abduction.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Okay, cool, I'll have to check those out.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And of course, there are tons of websites and online
forums.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Right where people are still discussing the case.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, it's a never-ending conversation.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Well, that's great.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
So if you're interested, there's plenty more
to explore.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, keep digging.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Keep asking questions .
Speaker 1 (15:41):
And keep an open mind .
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Because who knows what's out there?
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Because who knows what's out there?
Yeah, maybe someday we'll havethe answers to all these
mysteries.
Maybe, but until then we keepsearching.
We keep searching.
Well, this has been anothergreat deep dive.
Thanks for joining us everyone.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
And until next time, keep looking up.
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